[FairfieldLife] Re: $615 million gross for "Avatar" after only 11 days!

[Duveyoung]

Saw it. A new era has begun.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> ShempMcGurk wrote:
> > I'm still betting the farm on my prediction that "Avatar" will be the first 
> > film to gross $3 billion worldwide...AND reach that figure faster than the 
> > previous all-time best gross -- "Titanic" -- did reaching $2 billion.
> >
> > Still haven't seen the film but am nevertheless excited about its success!
> >
> > http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=avatar.htm
> 
> I haven't seen it either but I won't try this week.  Last year I thought 
> I would sneak off to an afternoon showing of "Milk"  and the art house 
> was packed.  Too many people have time off so next week will work better 
> but then there are so much films of much more substance to see.
>

[FairfieldLife] Photos of the Northwest Airlines Undi-Bomb

[raunchydog]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/northwest-airlines-bomb-photos/story?id=9436297

[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!

[shukra69]

yes no drinking but not feeling superior to drinkers but judgmental to meat 
eaters, liars and slanderers like yourself(s)yes

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > The sentence reads like a drunk at a keyboard:
> > 
> > "why always posting so stupid except a
> > desperate need to feel appear important
> > knowledgeable wasting others time..."
> 
> Worse, it reads like something posted by
> someone who hasn't had a drink in decades,
> and feels "superior" because of it.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will California Indian restaurants go out of business Friday?

[Bhairitu]

"Trans fat, a known trigger for heart attacks, causing thousands of 
premature deaths globally every year, has been found in
tremendously high quantities in almost all popular Indian cooking oils."

"Interestingly, the lowest trans fats level was found in desi ghee and 
in Amul butter — 5.3% and 3.73% respectively."

Article here:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life/health-fitness/Indian-cooking-oils-unfit/articleshow/4070728.cms

Of course the Mexican restaurants won't be able to serve lard fried 
beans though many haven't for years.

ShempMcGurk wrote:
> Why?  Is Ghee a trans fat?
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> Coming to a state near you soon:
>>
>> "SACRAMENTO — California will bar restaurants from cooking with trans 
>> fat beginning New Year's Day, becoming the first state to crack down on 
>> the substance tied to clogged arteries, strokes and coronary heart disease."
>>
>> Story here:
>> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/81332.html
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   





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[FairfieldLife] Re: $615 million gross for "Avatar" after only 11 days!

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "ShempMcGurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm still betting the farm on my prediction that "Avatar" will be the
> first film to gross $3 billion worldwide...AND reach that figure faster
> than the previous all-time best gross -- "Titanic" -- did reaching $2
> billion.
> >
> > Still haven't seen the film but am nevertheless excited about its
> success!
> >
> > http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=avatar.htm
>  >>>
> 
> The Lord of the Rings trilogy already reached 3 billion, and took less
> time to make. Haven't seen the movie either yet, I'll try to see it at
> IMAX.
> 
> OffWorld
>


The Lord of the Rings is three separate movies, released over 3 separate years.

"Avatar" is one movie, as was "Titanic" and the all-time winner (in 
adjusted-for-inflation dollars) "Gone with the wind".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Will California Indian restaurants go out of business Friday?

[ShempMcGurk]

Why?  Is Ghee a trans fat?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Coming to a state near you soon:
> 
> "SACRAMENTO — California will bar restaurants from cooking with trans 
> fat beginning New Year's Day, becoming the first state to crack down on 
> the substance tied to clogged arteries, strokes and coronary heart disease."
> 
> Story here:
> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/81332.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1957

[dhamiltony2k5]

1971
Maharishi's Year of
Science of Crative Intelligence

Maharishi formulates the Science of Creative Intelligence
as the scientific theory for the development of 
higher states of consciousness, which naturally develop 
through the practice of Transcendental Meditation.

Maharishi establishes Maharishi Interantional University
in the U.S.A. to serve as a model of ideal education in the world.

>
> 
> 1970
> Maharishi's Year of
> Scientific Research
> 
> First scientific research on Transcendental
> Meditation, identifying the physiological
> correlates of higher states of consciousness.
> With this research Transcendental Meditation
> gains worldwide publicity and inspires scientists
> throughout the world to research into the wide range of benefits resulting 
> from Transcendental Meditation.
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > 1969
> > Maharishi's Year of
> > Supreme Consciousness
> > 
> > Maharishi comments extensively on the Brahma Sutras,
> > the texbook of Vedant, the aspect of Vedic literature
> > which provides complete knowledge of 
> > Unity Consciousness, the pinnacle of human evolution.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 1968
> > > Maharishi's Year of Students
> > > 
> > > Students International Meditation Society
> > > is founded in many countries.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > 1967
> > > > Maharishi's Year of
> > > > Unity Consciousness
> > > > 
> > > > Maharishi explains experiences of Transcendental
> > > > Meditation in terms of Unity Consciousness.
> > > > Maharishi inaugurates the first European Meditation Academy in Bremen, 
> > > > Germany
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1966
> > > > > Maharishi's Year of
> > > > > Academy of Meditation
> > > > > 
> > > > > In the year of the great "Kumbha Mela" in Allahabad,
> > > > > India, Maharishi inaugurates the first International
> > > > > Academy of Meditation, Shankaracharya Nagar, Rishikesh,
> > > > > India, with the second International Transcendental
> > > > > Meditation Teacher Training Course.
> > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1965
> > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Bhagavad-Gita
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maharishi explains expereiences of 
> > > > > > Transcendental Meditation in terms of
> > > > > > the principle of action: Nishkama karma yog,
> > > > > > yogastah kuru karmani; "Established in Unity, perform action"
> > > > > > -Bhagavad-Gita II 45, and completes his commentary on the 
> > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1964
> > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of
> > > > > > > God Consciousness
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Maharishi explains experiences of
> > > > > > > Transcendental Meditation in terms
> > > > > > > of the most refined state of Cosmic
> > > > > > > Consciousness -God Consciousness.
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 1963
> > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of the 
> > > > > > > > Science of Being and Art of Living
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Maharishi presents a profound and practical 
> > > > > > > > philosophy of living for the modern scientific age.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1962
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of 
> > > > > > > > > Theory of the Absolute
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi brings to light the
> > > > > > > > > Theory of the Absolute and trains
> > > > > > > > > hundreds of Meditation Guides to
> > > > > > > > > help bring the direct experience
> > > > > > > > > of the absolute to people everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1961
> > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Teacher Training.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's inspiration to "multiply himself"
> > > > > > > > > > by training teachers of Transcendental Meditation:
> > > > > > > > > > the first international course is held in Rishikesh,
> > > > > > > > > > India.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 1960
> > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Cosmic Consciousness.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi explains experiences of Transcendental
> > > > > > > > > > > Meditation in terms of Cosmic Consciousness.
> > > > > > > > > > > In London, Maharishi inaugurates his First 
> > > > > > > > > > > Three Year Plan to spiritually regenerate the world.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1959
> > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Global Awakening
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi starts to teach Transcendental Meditation
> > > > > > > > > > > > around the world.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1958
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Spiritual Regeneration Movement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Inspired to raise the quality of life in the world
> > > > > > > > > > > > > through the practice of Transcendental Meditation,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi inaugurates the Spiritual Regeneration 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moveme

[FairfieldLife] Will California Indian restaurants go out of business Friday?

[Bhairitu]

Coming to a state near you soon:

"SACRAMENTO — California will bar restaurants from cooking with trans 
fat beginning New Year's Day, becoming the first state to crack down on 
the substance tied to clogged arteries, strokes and coronary heart disease."

Story here:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/81332.html






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Stays Silent

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
> Bhairitu wrote: 
>   
>> Obama has an opportunity to win over a lot of the public 
>> if he were to overhaul the stupid security procedures we 
>> have...
>>
>> 
> The problem of airport security in the U.S. is because of 
> weak security in Europe and in other countries. If I was
> in charge, I'd make it mandatory for all airports to 
> improve their security with full-body scanning. 
>   

I suppose AFTER you bought a whole bunch of stock of the company that 
makes those scanners.  One wonders if they paid to have the guy do an 
"attempted" bombing.  They have a lot to profit from it.  Be sure to 
think erotic thoughts just before you go through the scanner.

> I'd add more suspicious people to the no-fly list, not 
> take some off. And I'd profile the terrorists: not all
> Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are
> Muslims. There hasn't been a breach in airport security
> at Israeli airports in over thirty years.
>   

Yeah but you're a Nazi.  Or were one in your last life.

Why not take the high road?  Do a man on the moon mission to develop 
transporters.  No need to fly then.  And probably little need for 
security.   Beam me to Hong Kong, Scotty.

I think a lot of like the "fly naked" airlines idea.  That would solve 
the problem.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Stays Silent

[WillyTex]

Judy wrote:
> Sometimes Thersites engages his keyboard before 
> putting his brain in gear. And of course the do.rk 
> doesn't stop to think whether he's making sense as 
> long as what he's copying-and-pasting seems like 
> it might fit into his drooling Obama Our Perfect 
> Hero Daddy mindset...
>
Apparently John agrees that the 9-11 hijackers had 
something to do with Saddam, and that's why the U.S. 
invaded Iraq. But, that's not what Joe Lieberman said 
about the invasion of Iraq. 

Lieberman said that Saddam wanted to pass off a nuclear 
device to terrorists to be exploded in Tel Aviv. I 
don't see any reports that Lieberman has changed his 
view on this. 

Obama knows that the atomic device will probably 
be outsourced from Pakistan, so he's taking the war
there as well as to Yemen. Avoid the danger that lies 
ahead. 

John's problem is that Obama agrees with Lieberman 
and Clinton. This makes John very mixed up, John being 
a pure ideologue and all. 

> > NOTE: Just like with the estimated hundreds of 
> > thousands of Iraqis who had nothing at all to 
> > do with 911 who were killed as a result of the 
> > US invasion of Iraq... 

Re: [FairfieldLife] $615 million gross for "Avatar" after only 11 days!

[Bhairitu]

ShempMcGurk wrote:
> I'm still betting the farm on my prediction that "Avatar" will be the first 
> film to gross $3 billion worldwide...AND reach that figure faster than the 
> previous all-time best gross -- "Titanic" -- did reaching $2 billion.
>
> Still haven't seen the film but am nevertheless excited about its success!
>
> http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=avatar.htm

I haven't seen it either but I won't try this week.  Last year I thought 
I would sneak off to an afternoon showing of "Milk"  and the art house 
was packed.  Too many people have time off so next week will work better 
but then there are so much films of much more substance to see.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Stays Silent

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu wrote: 
> Obama has an opportunity to win over a lot of the public 
> if he were to overhaul the stupid security procedures we 
> have...
>
The problem of airport security in the U.S. is because of 
weak security in Europe and in other countries. If I was
in charge, I'd make it mandatory for all airports to 
improve their security with full-body scanning. 

I'd add more suspicious people to the no-fly list, not 
take some off. And I'd profile the terrorists: not all
Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are
Muslims. There hasn't been a breach in airport security
at Israeli airports in over thirty years.

> > WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Monday he has
> > ordered a review of the nation's watchlist system and 
> > of its air safety regulations following a Christmas Day 
> > attack on a U.S. airliner. As an al-Qaida group claimed 
> > responsibility for the assault, the president said he 
> > has directed his national security team to keep up the 
> > pressure on those overseas who aim to attack the U.S.
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: $615 million gross for "Avatar" after only 11 days!

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
> I'm still betting the farm on my prediction that "Avatar" will be the
first film to gross $3 billion worldwide...AND reach that figure faster
than the previous all-time best gross -- "Titanic" -- did reaching $2
billion.
>
> Still haven't seen the film but am nevertheless excited about its
success!
>
> http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=avatar.htm
 >>>

The Lord of the Rings trilogy already reached 3 billion, and took less
time to make. Haven't seen the movie either yet, I'll try to see it at
IMAX.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Be Happy by H.E. Situ Rinpoche

[do.rflex]

Very short video [about 30 seconds]: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5yPh8trI9k

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fine Art Of Not Knowing

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Passed along from Marek, who discovered it, a neat
> video in which Richard Feynman, Carl Sagan, S. James 
> Gates, Jr., and Freeman Dyson discuss the very thing
> I was trying to get at in my reply to Doug this 
> morning. What is it we "know?" What is it we even
> *can* "know?"
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbtgNTmNuIw
>


That is fine as wishy-washy conjecture, but known is our experience when we 
have it and that spiritual experience can be very clear for what it is.  
Spiritual experience, when you have it, that is fact at that time.  Not clear & 
you don't really know, then there likely is just some un-stressing going on and 
more cultivation is needed and some more to come to know by experience about 
it.  Steps of spiritual progress through knowledge and experience of where and 
how to look.  A good teacher and textbook evidently can be helpful along the 
way.  

The extraordinary modern progression of things human though is that the 
physiological correlates of spiritual experience can now be pointed at too.  
But further, that there is and has been experience that comes from collective 
spiritual practice just as real to those who do it.  And so too that science 
with it.  That there is an evident collective value to cultivating spiritual 
experience.  That there is a difference between meditators and non-meditators 
by experience and evident science.  Just is.  Is not elitist, just fact.  The 
modern policy implication:  Meditate you sinners, it may take some discipline!  
The world evidently will be a better place as you come to it.

Jai Guru Dev,
-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Stays Silent

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:
> Uh-huh.
>
> >From AP, about 20 minutes ago:
>
> WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Monday he has
> ordered a review of the nation's watchlist system and 
> of its air safety regulations following a Christmas Day 
> attack on a U.S. airliner. As an al-Qaida group claimed 
> responsibility for the assault, the president said he 
> has directed his national security team to keep up the 
> pressure on those overseas who aim to attack the U.S.

Obama has an opportunity to win over a lot of the public if he were to 
overhaul the stupid security procedures we have. Dump stuff like the 
shoe thing which is pure "security theater." And purge thousands off the 
no fly list who don't belong there. Otherwise like Dixon maybe we ought 
to be shorting airline stocks.

Given that Obama's speech on Afghanistan sounded more like Bush warmed 
over I'm not holding my breathe.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Narcissism Epidemic

[Vaj]

On Dec 28, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

> There was an effort by the corporations to make people that way in the 
> 20th Century.  "Century of the Self" is a four part BBC documentary on it:
> http://www.archive.org/details/AdaCurtisCenturyoftheSelf_0  (part 1 of 4)
> or  on Google video:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151
> 
> "Have it YOUR way at Burger King."


It funny the post hay-day narcissism of groups like, but certainly not limited 
to, the TMO. It's ironic that it takes a Big Ego to be able to volunteer that 
you're so darn egoless. ...those that talk don't Gno or Jna afterall... :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Stays Silent

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> 
> > Why Obama Stays Silent
> > 
> > Marc Ambinder notes that by not making a public statement
> > on the terrorist plane attack on Christmas, President Obama
> > is trying a "tough and novel approach" in dealing with such
> > incidents.
> 
> Uh-huh.

Numbers a low in The Domes during holidays, no ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Stays Silent

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:

> Why Obama Stays Silent
> 
> Marc Ambinder notes that by not making a public statement
> on the terrorist plane attack on Christmas, President Obama
> is trying a "tough and novel approach" in dealing with such
> incidents.

Uh-huh.

>From AP, about 20 minutes ago:

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Monday he has
ordered a review of the nation's watchlist system and 
of its air safety regulations following a Christmas Day 
attack on a U.S. airliner. As an al-Qaida group claimed 
responsibility for the assault, the president said he 
has directed his national security team to keep up the 
pressure on those overseas who aim to attack the U.S.

"It's absolutely critical that we learn from this 
incident and take the necessary measures to prevent 
future acts of terrorism," Obama said in his first 
public remarks since the attack on the Detroit-bound 
airliner.

The group al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula claimed 
responsibility for the attempt to bring down the jet, 
saying the attack was retaliation for a U.S. operation 
against the group in Yemen.

"We do not yet have all the answers about this latest 
attempt, but those who would slaughter innocent men, 
women and children must know that the United States 
will ... do more than simply strengthen our defenses," 
Obama said in a brief statement from Hawaii where he is 
vacationing with his family.

"We will continue to use every element of our national 
power to disrupt, to dismantle and defeat the violent 
extremists who threaten us, whether they are from 
Afghanistan or Pakistan, Yemen or Somalia, or anywhere 
where they are plotting attacks against the U.S. 
homeland," he said.

The president said U.S. authorities will not rest until 
they find everyone involved in the attack in Detroit 
and hold them accountable.

Read more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091228/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_airliner_attack

http://tinyurl.com/ycwlf3m

So the do.rk is 0 for 3 in his copy-and-paste pro-Obama
compendium. Even when he "borrows" the words of others
because he's afraid of looking like a fool if he tries
to write his own, he picks the wrong ones and looks like
a fool anyway.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Narcissism Epidemic

[Bhairitu]

There was an effort by the corporations to make people that way in the 
20th Century.  "Century of the Self" is a four part BBC documentary on it:
http://www.archive.org/details/AdaCurtisCenturyoftheSelf_0  (part 1 of 4)
or  on Google video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151

"Have it YOUR way at Burger King."


Vaj wrote:
> When historian Christopher Lasch published his classic book /The Culture of 
> Narcissism/ in 1979, it was already clear that a new kind of human being had 
> been forged in the cultural fires of the sixties—one who was more socially 
> conscious, more free from traditional norms, and more thoroughly 
> self-obsessed 
> than in any previous generation. Now, thirty years later, the Me Generation 
> has 
> given birth to Generations X and Y, for whom phrases like “Building 
> self-esteem,” “You’re special,” and “Be all that you can be” have, for many, 
> become instilled as foundational principles of existence. Indeed, with this 
> new 
> breed of budding narcissists, the cultural phenomenon that Lasch first 
> defined 
> has both expanded and intensified, causing many to question whether the trend 
> toward individualism may have gone a bit too far. Primary among these critics 
> has been thirty-seven-year-old San Diego State University psychology 
> professor 
> Jean M. Twenge, whose 2009 book /The Narcissism Epidemic: Living in the Age 
> of 
> Entitlement/ may be the best and most comprehensive diagnosis to date of what 
> she calls a “cultural disease.”
>
> It would be difficult to find a person who cares as much about those who care 
> mostly about themselves as Twenge does. Her interest in narcissism was piqued 
> during graduate school in the nineties while doing psychological research on 
> how 
> changing gender roles were affecting young people, particularly women. Twenge 
> found that in addition to the new level of equality and individual 
> empowerment 
> that women were experiencing, there was an accompanying degree of 
> self-infatuation that was, ironically, holding many back from expressing 
> their 
> full potential as human beings. Her interest in the subject blossomed, 
> eventually leading her to publish /Generation Me: Why Today’s Young Americans 
> Are More Confident, Assertive, Entitled—And More Miserable Than Ever Before/ 
> in 
> 2006. The book, which garnered attention from a wide range of major media 
> outlets including the /New York Times/, the /Today/ show, and National Public 
> Radio’s /All Things Considered/, launched her into the national limelight and 
> established her as one of the world’s foremost experts on the narcissism 
> phenomenon.
>
> With /The Narcissism Epidemic/, Twenge has taken her research to the next 
> level. 
> Filling more than three hundred pages with psychological data (much of which 
> comes from original research) and examples from pop culture, she makes a 
> strong 
> case that we are in the midst of a narcissistic renaissance. From her 
> discussion 
> of new “personal paparazzi” businesses (which give anyone with a few grand 
> the 
> opportunity to feel what it’s like to be an adored celebrity) to her original 
> graphs (which show a significant increase in the appearance of narcissistic 
> language in newspapers), Twenge paints a stark picture of our current 
> cultural 
> predicament that is both shocking and implicating for those of us who have 
> grown 
> up in the self-reflective afterglow of the sixties. But Twenge isn’t just a 
> critic. She’s on a mission to educate people about the harmful consequences 
> of 
> this disease and to help provide a much-needed objectivity on our own 
> collective 
> condition. Playing the role of cultural epidemiologist, Twenge explores the 
> root 
> causes of the narcissism epidemic, gives an overview of its many symptoms, 
> and 
> offers her own set of prescriptions for how she thinks we can treat it.
>
>
> *The Narcissism Epidemic*
>
>
> An interview with *Jean M. Twenge*
>
> by Joel Pitney
>
> http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j45/twenge.asp
>
> (...)
>
>   





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
>   
>>> We think that *any* bill that attempts to "reform"
>>> health care in America will be a miracle...
>>>
>>>   
> Bhairitu wrote:
>   
>> And we'll keep bitching and whining until we get 
>> what we want and throw a spanner in the works until 
>> we do.  
>>
>> 
> Why do almost all of your political and social solutions 
> advocate violence? 
>
>   

You apparently don't know the meaning of the phrase "spanner in the works"?

>> Where would the world be without revolution?  Only 
>> about 15% of the population is smart enough to 
>> understand the issues. The rest are just being 
>> "useful idiots.'
>>
>> 
> You're so much smarter and better than almost everyone!

I don't think anyone on FFL would disagree with you being an idiot.  I 
don't think you're a useful idiot,  more of a useless one.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[WillyTex]

> > We think that *any* bill that attempts to "reform"
> > health care in America will be a miracle...
> >
Bhairitu wrote:
> And we'll keep bitching and whining until we get 
> what we want and throw a spanner in the works until 
> we do.  
>
Why do almost all of your political and social solutions 
advocate violence? 

> Where would the world be without revolution?  Only 
> about 15% of the population is smart enough to 
> understand the issues. The rest are just being 
> "useful idiots.'
>
You're so much smarter and better than almost everyone!

[FairfieldLife] The Narcissism Epidemic

[Vaj]

When historian Christopher Lasch published his classic book The Culture of Narcissism in 1979, it was already clear that a new kind of human being had been forged in the cultural fires of the sixties—one who was more socially conscious, more free from traditional norms, and more thoroughly self-obsessed than in any previous generation. Now, thirty years later, the Me Generation has given birth to Generations X and Y, for whom phrases like “Building self-esteem,” “You’re special,” and “Be all that you can be” have, for many, become instilled as foundational principles of existence. Indeed, with this new breed of budding narcissists, the cultural phenomenon that Lasch first defined has both expanded and intensified, causing many to question whether the trend toward individualism may have gone a bit too far. Primary among these critics has been thirty-seven-year-old San Diego State University psychology professor Jean M. Twenge, whose 2009 book The Narcissism Epidemic: Living in the Age of Entitlement may be the best and most comprehensive diagnosis to date of what she calls a “cultural disease.”It would be difficult to find a person who cares as much about those who care mostly about themselves as Twenge does. Her interest in narcissism was piqued during graduate school in the nineties while doing psychological research on how changing gender roles were affecting young people, particularly women. Twenge found that in addition to the new level of equality and individual empowerment that women were experiencing, there was an accompanying degree of self-infatuation that was, ironically, holding many back from expressing their full potential as human beings. Her interest in the subject blossomed, eventually leading her to publish Generation Me: Why Today’s Young Americans Are More Confident, Assertive, Entitled—And More Miserable Than Ever Before in 2006. The book, which garnered attention from a wide range of major media outlets including the New York Times, the Today show, and National Public Radio’s All Things Considered, launched her into the national limelight and established her as one of the world’s foremost experts on the narcissism phenomenon.With The Narcissism Epidemic, Twenge has taken her research to the next level. Filling more than three hundred pages with psychological data (much of which comes from original research) and examples from pop culture, she makes a strong case that we are in the midst of a narcissistic renaissance. From her discussion of new “personal paparazzi” businesses (which give anyone with a few grand the opportunity to feel what it’s like to be an adored celebrity) to her original graphs (which show a significant increase in the appearance of narcissistic language in newspapers), Twenge paints a stark picture of our current cultural predicament that is both shocking and implicating for those of us who have grown up in the self-reflective afterglow of the sixties. But Twenge isn’t just a critic. She’s on a mission to educate people about the harmful consequences of this disease and to help provide a much-needed objectivity on our own collective condition. Playing the role of cultural epidemiologist, Twenge explores the root causes of the narcissism epidemic, gives an overview of its many symptoms, and offers her own set of prescriptions for how she thinks we can treat it.The Narcissism Epidemic An interview with Jean M. Twengeby Joel Pitneyhttp://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j45/twenge.asp(...)

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December 26th   Global
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poems reflecting Maharishi's knowledge or experiences during TM to
globalgoodn...@maharishi.net. The Poetry page can be viewed at
www.musicmall.globalgoodnews.com/ (click on Poems above the Facebook
logo), or at www.facebook.com/globalgoodnewsmusicmall



Raja Bjarne reported on Russia and Denmark:
Russia has held several large World Peace Assemblies this year, and
several hundred people have been initiated. Six very large Vastu Peace
Colonies are under preparation. They will include Vastu homes, Schools,
Peace Palaces, and Maharishi Towers of Invincibility.


The Vastu Co-ordinator Training Course was attended by 44 people from 5
countries of Raja Bjarne's domain.
The first national Yagya has been held for Denmark. During the recent UN
Climate Summit 40 Yogic Flyers from 10 countries participated in a World
Peace Assembly at the Copenhagen Peace Palace to help create an
atmosphere of harmony. In the event 120 world leaders came together and
negotiated peacefully. Thousands of pamphlets were distributed to inform
people that higher states of consciousness is the basis for more natural
behaviour, and that the most effective technique of meditation is the
most easy to learn, and also the most pleasant to practice -
Transcendental Meditation. The experience inspired the Danish Governors
to establish a permanent Invincible Denmark Assembly.


Raja Stanley reported on Mongolia, Bhutan, Ireland and Iceland:
Five newly graduated TM teachers returned to Mongolia. The movement is
growing and there are currently 48 new Yogic Flyers in training, as well
as MVVT, TM Sidhi Refresher, and Advanced Technique courses going on.
Two vice-chancellors of universities from Bhutan have just attended the
5-day course on Consciousness-Based Education held by Dr Girish Varma in
India.


In Northern Ireland there is growing demad for TM in the schools, and in
the Republic of Ireland 3 new TM teachers and 12 vastu Co-ordinators are
contributing to the growth of the Movement.


In Iceland the Movement was re-established this year, and 524 people
have learned TM. As soon as the programme started the weather turned
unusually sunny, heralding a new and happy time for Iceland.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> >   
> > Revolution is staging a General Strike, as
> > the French and the Spanish have done numerous
> > times in recent decades when the government
> > tried to take them for granted. Revolution
> > is making sure that *nothing moves* in the
> > country during the General Strike. No trucks
> > roll, no trains, no aircraft, nothing. No one
> > works. No one. And during this General Strike, 
> > no one is guaranteed a living. They are just 
> > as without pay and without benefits as the 
> > people whose cause they are fighting for.
> >
> > The day you do that in America I'll be impressed.
> > Until then, I reserve the right to regard the
> > lot of you as a bunch of bitchers and whiners.
> 
> Keep in mind they don't want anyone to see the rest of 
> the world anymore so they won't know the difference. Who's 
> going to bother flying again with all the absurd knee-jerk 
> crap that the bureaucrats who probably belong in the 85% 
> column are putting in place?

Me, for one. In Europe, where I don't have 
to worry about such knee-jerk crap. Security
at the airports I fly through is just fine,
thank you, and without being overly intrusive.
The only fear I feel at stepping onto a plane
is the entirely justifiable fear of being on 
a large, heavy metal cylinder suspended several
thousand feet above the ground only by air. :-)

> Yup, Americans are soft.  Mostly soft in the head.  Must
> be something in the water.  

Or the meme that they feed on.

> And there's that part of the silly Patriot Act that would 
> mean such an organized strike would be a "terrorist act."

There are FAR more draconian laws in place in 
France. Please remember that in France -- even
before the advent of modern terrorism -- you are
presumed guilty until proven innocent, not vice-
versa. And there ARE laws on the books that try
to categorize social action as terrorism. Yet 
the French have no reservations about calling 
and participating in a General Strike.

I don't know about you, guy, but I've actually
been out there on the street during a few revol-
utions. I saw bombs exploding on the streets of
Morocco and Algeria during their revolutions.
I've sat in sidewalk cafes and had the cafe
straffed by machine-gun fire in a revolutionary
drive-by.

But NONE of these things compares to being there
on the streets of Paris during a General Strike.

The POWER of it astounds. Millions and millions
of people just saying "NO!" And being willing to
put their asses on the line by *living* "NO!"

No cabs. No taxis. No buses. No subways. No planes.
No trucks. As a result, no deliveries to markets.
No food. (People shared what they had.) No health
care providers, because they were out on strike,
too. (In reality, they volunteered their services
to take care of emergency patients, and never 
charged for it.) No power and light. (Again, volun-
teers made sure that anyone who needed these things
had them.) The world just stops, because a people 
decides to collectively say, "NO!"

It's a real trip, dude. No government on Earth can
withstand that. Not with today's media. 

Personally, I would love to see the American people
get so fed up with things that they pull a General
Strike on Barack Obama. I think he is possibly one
of the few politicians on Earth who could not only
respond gracefully, but turn it to his advantage.
I think he'd actually dig it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> And we'll keep bitching and whining until we get what we 
>> want and throw a spanner in the works until we do.  Where 
>> would the world be without revolution?  Only about 15% of 
>> the population  is smart enough to understand the issues.  
>> The rest are just being "useful idiots.'
>> 
>
> With all due respect (none), the idiots are 
> those who are so lame and so pussywhipped as 
> to believe that bitching and whining are the 
> same thing as "revolution."
>
> Revolution is staging a General Strike, as
> the French and the Spanish have done numerous
> times in recent decades when the government
> tried to take them for granted. Revolution
> is making sure that *nothing moves* in the
> country during the General Strike. No trucks
> roll, no trains, no aircraft, nothing. No one
> works. No one. And during this General Strike, 
> no one is guaranteed a living. They are just 
> as without pay and without benefits as the 
> people whose cause they are fighting for.
>
> The day you do that in America I'll be impressed.
> Until then, I reserve the right to regard the
> lot of you as a bunch of bitchers and whiners.

Keep in mind they don't want anyone to see the rest of the world anymore 
so they won't know the difference.   Who's going to bother flying again 
with all the absurd knee-jerk crap that the bureaucrats who probably 
belong in the 85% column are putting in place?   I hope that Dixon got 
his shorts in place.

Yup, Americans are soft.  Mostly soft in the head.  Must be something in 
the water.  And there's that part of the silly Patriot Act that would 
mean such an organized strike would be a "terrorist act." 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The sentence reads like a drunk at a keyboard:
> 
> "why always posting so stupid except a
> desperate need to feel appear important
> knowledgeable wasting others time..."

Worse, it reads like something posted by
someone who hasn't had a drink in decades,
and feels "superior" because of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Stays Silent

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:

> Why Obama Stays Silent
> 
> Marc Ambinder
>  
> notes that by not making a public statement on the terrorist
> plane attack on Christmas, President Obama is trying a "tough
> and novel approach" in dealing with such incidents.

"The White House press office, traveling with President
Barack Obama in Hawaii, said early Monday that the
president would make a statement from the Kaneoho Marine
Base in the morning."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_airliner_attack
(Associated Press)

As of 1:00 pm EST, CNN says he'll be speaking within a
couple of hours.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Original Social Security legislation very different from today's

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [snip]
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Your views on Social Security as a "bad" thing are shared primarily 
> > > > > by the right wing fringe minority. Oh wait! ...you DO belong to the 
> > > > > right wing fringe minority!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [snip]
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Putting aside what I am or am not...and not relying on stereotypes, 
> > > > John, what is it exactly about Social Security that you think is a GOOD 
> > > > thing?
> > > > 
> > > > The trillion dollars a year that is paid out?
> > > > 
> > > > The fact that people are FORCED to pay into it?
> > > > 
> > > > That the contributions have INCREASED tenfold?
> > > > 
> > > > That Social Security, as an annuity payment, is an insurance product 
> > > > and that as such should be under state jurisdiction, NOT the federal 
> > > > government?
> > > > 
> > > > That it is a legal Ponzi Scheme in every sense of the word?
> > > > 
> > > > Please, John, tell us what you like about it and why the federal 
> > > > government should be doing it as opposed to, say, individuals or the 
> > > > individual states?  Why the federal government and why it is some sort 
> > > > of model for healthcare insurance (again, an area that is supposed to 
> > > > be the exclusive jurisdiction of the states)?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Your right wing fringe wingnut views on the value of Social Security to 
> > > the American people are akin to your right wing fringe wingnut views on 
> > > AGW. 
> > > 
> > > In your case your thinking is based on your inability to comprehend the 
> > > concepts of "We the People," and "promote the general Welfare" as in 
> > > government for the common good.
> > > 
> > > It's a waste of time to even attempt a rational dialogue with loud, yet 
> > > impotent, fringe minority handjob trolls like you who live in the 
> > > alternate reality of Wingnut World.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > But John you never -- and I mean NEVER -- ever make your own arguments for 
> > the points of view you hold.   All you ever do is reproduce articles from 
> > somewhere else on the web or call people names.
> > 
> > Can't you actually think for yourself?  String together a few points that 
> > supports why you feel a certain way? Debate and counter what those who hold 
> > different views to yours?
> >
> 
> 
> Read this sentence again, Tony: 
> 
> "It's a waste of time to even attempt a rational dialogue with loud, yet 
> impotent, fringe minority handjob trolls like you who live in the alternate 
> reality of Wingnut World."
>


Actually, John, you inadvertedly raised some interesting points -- just in 
passing, of course -- in your post when you invoked the concepts "We the 
People," and "promote the general Welfare".  Now, that is the basis of what can 
be a VERY interesting discussion.

Why not expand upon that?  Why not make the arguments as to why you believe 
such social programs under discussion are justified or perhaps even required 
under the constitutional principles you brought up?

And then, if I disagreed, I could argue my point...and, hopefully, both of us 
could cite constitutional evidence to promote our respective points of view.

Is Judy the only one who both knows how to do that and actually takes the time 
to do it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> The day you do that in America I'll be impressed.
> Until then, I reserve the right to regard the
> lot of you as a bunch of bitchers and whiners.

Once again, this is the dude who courageously
*skipped the country* when things started getting
tough and now bitches and whines from a safe
distance.

I'll be impressed when he gets up off his comfy
duff in a Spanish tourist town and decides to come
back and put his energy where his keyboard is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > And we'll keep bitching and whining until we get what we 
> > want and throw a spanner in the works until we do.  Where 
> > would the world be without revolution?  Only about 15% of 
> > the population  is smart enough to understand the issues.  
> > The rest are just being "useful idiots.'
> 
> With all due respect (none), the idiots are 
> those who are so lame and so pussywhipped as 
> to believe that bitching and whining are the 
> same thing as "revolution."
> 
> Revolution is staging a General Strike, as
> the French and the Spanish have done numerous
> times in recent decades when the government
> tried to take them for granted. Revolution
> is making sure that *nothing moves* in the
> country during the General Strike. No trucks
> roll, no trains, no aircraft, nothing. No one
> works. No one. And during this General Strike, 
> no one is guaranteed a living. They are just 
> as without pay and without benefits as the 
> people whose cause they are fighting for.

Population of France:  62,448,977 
Population of Spain:   46,661,950
Population of the U.S.:   308,243,000

Area of France (sq. km.): 551,695 
Area of Spain (sq. km.):  504,030
Area of the U.S. (sq. km.): 9,826,675

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
>   
>>> why always posting so stupid except a 
>>> desperate need to feel appear important 
>>> knowledgeable wasting others time...
>>>
>>>   
> Bhairitu wrote: 
>   
>> Perhaps TM didn't work for you or you're 
>> doing some meth or sniffing glue or getting 
>> drunk while posting...
>>
>> 
> Now this is some really impressive debating!
>
> Folks usually have to go to Usenet or to 
> Google Groups in order to read remarks like 
> this. Very impressive - keep up the good work.
The sentence reads like a drunk at a keyboard:

"why always posting so stupid except a
desperate need to feel appear important
knowledgeable wasting others time..."

And he probably know little about yoga or meditation.

[FairfieldLife] $615 million gross for "Avatar" after only 11 days!

[ShempMcGurk]

I'm still betting the farm on my prediction that "Avatar" will be the first 
film to gross $3 billion worldwide...AND reach that figure faster than the 
previous all-time best gross -- "Titanic" -- did reaching $2 billion.

Still haven't seen the film but am nevertheless excited about its success!

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=avatar.htm



.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Original Social Security legislation very different from today's

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:

> Read this sentence again, Tony: 
> 
> "It's a waste of time to even attempt a rational dialogue
> with loud, yet impotent, fringe minority handjob trolls
> like you who live in the alternate reality of Wingnut World."

The day the do.rk attempts a rational dialogue with *anyone*
about *anything*, I'm sure he'll let us know.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!

[WillyTex]

> > why always posting so stupid except a 
> > desperate need to feel appear important 
> > knowledgeable wasting others time...
> >
Bhairitu wrote: 
> Perhaps TM didn't work for you or you're 
> doing some meth or sniffing glue or getting 
> drunk while posting...
>
Now this is some really impressive debating!

Folks usually have to go to Usenet or to 
Google Groups in order to read remarks like 
this. Very impressive - keep up the good work.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> And we'll keep bitching and whining until we get what we 
> want and throw a spanner in the works until we do.  Where 
> would the world be without revolution?  Only about 15% of 
> the population  is smart enough to understand the issues.  
> The rest are just being "useful idiots.'

With all due respect (none), the idiots are 
those who are so lame and so pussywhipped as 
to believe that bitching and whining are the 
same thing as "revolution."

Revolution is staging a General Strike, as
the French and the Spanish have done numerous
times in recent decades when the government
tried to take them for granted. Revolution
is making sure that *nothing moves* in the
country during the General Strike. No trucks
roll, no trains, no aircraft, nothing. No one
works. No one. And during this General Strike, 
no one is guaranteed a living. They are just 
as without pay and without benefits as the 
people whose cause they are fighting for.

The day you do that in America I'll be impressed.
Until then, I reserve the right to regard the
lot of you as a bunch of bitchers and whiners.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Original Social Security legislation very different from today's

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Your views on Social Security as a "bad" thing are shared primarily by 
> > > > the right wing fringe minority. Oh wait! ...you DO belong to the right 
> > > > wing fringe minority!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Putting aside what I am or am not...and not relying on stereotypes, John, 
> > > what is it exactly about Social Security that you think is a GOOD thing?
> > > 
> > > The trillion dollars a year that is paid out?
> > > 
> > > The fact that people are FORCED to pay into it?
> > > 
> > > That the contributions have INCREASED tenfold?
> > > 
> > > That Social Security, as an annuity payment, is an insurance product and 
> > > that as such should be under state jurisdiction, NOT the federal 
> > > government?
> > > 
> > > That it is a legal Ponzi Scheme in every sense of the word?
> > > 
> > > Please, John, tell us what you like about it and why the federal 
> > > government should be doing it as opposed to, say, individuals or the 
> > > individual states?  Why the federal government and why it is some sort of 
> > > model for healthcare insurance (again, an area that is supposed to be the 
> > > exclusive jurisdiction of the states)?
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Your right wing fringe wingnut views on the value of Social Security to the 
> > American people are akin to your right wing fringe wingnut views on AGW. 
> > 
> > In your case your thinking is based on your inability to comprehend the 
> > concepts of "We the People," and "promote the general Welfare" as in 
> > government for the common good.
> > 
> > It's a waste of time to even attempt a rational dialogue with loud, yet 
> > impotent, fringe minority handjob trolls like you who live in the alternate 
> > reality of Wingnut World.
> >
> 
> 
> But John you never -- and I mean NEVER -- ever make your own arguments for 
> the points of view you hold.   All you ever do is reproduce articles from 
> somewhere else on the web or call people names.
> 
> Can't you actually think for yourself?  String together a few points that 
> supports why you feel a certain way? Debate and counter what those who hold 
> different views to yours?
>


Read this sentence again, Tony: 

"It's a waste of time to even attempt a rational dialogue with loud, yet 
impotent, fringe minority handjob trolls like you who live in the alternate 
reality of Wingnut World."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Swans Start As Ugly Ducklings: Healthcare Reform In Perspective

[Mike Dixon]

Raunch, you actually think he's going to get a second term?





From: raunchydog 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 2:03:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Swans Start As Ugly Ducklings: Healthcare 
Reform In Perspective

  


--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > All Swans Start As Ugly Ducklings: Healthcare Reform In Perspectiveby
> > Norbrook  - Dec 26, 2009
> 
> > 54 years ago, a weak, flawed piece of legislation was passed.
> > It didn't do anything to control air pollution. It didn't
> > set any standards. It didn't have enforcement built into it.
> > It didn't even have a lot of funding. 8 years later, another
> > piece of legislation was passed. It wasn't much better. But
> > they were the beginning. As weak and toothless as these laws
> > were, they set into law the principles that enabled the
> > 1970 law.
> 
> So we should expect to wait another 15 years before we
> get a decent health reform bill?
>

Pigs fly every 15 years if you smoke enough hopium, doncha know. Obama's HCR 
apologists ignore the facts at their peril. This bill is such a sink hole no 
one will ever dig out of it. By the time the hopey dopey folks come down from 
their high, their employers will have dropped their group plans, they will have 
been forced to pay for high deductible junk insurance on top of ever increasing 
premiums and they will have no leverage as individuals to find a competitive 
plan, since competitive plans don't exist without a public option. To top it 
off, if they can't afford to pay the mandated premiums they will pay tax 
penalties and they still won't have health insurance.

Guess what? In the Senate bill, which will probably prevail over the House bill 
in conference, many of the rotten provisions won't go into effect until 2013, 
right after the start of Obama's lame duck second term. Sweet. 





  

Re: [FairfieldLife] The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> We think that *any* bill that attempts to "reform"
> health care in America will be a miracle, that those
> who pushed it through are miracle workers, and those
> of you who are doing nothing but bitching and whining
> and blaming should be fuckin' grateful for that miracle 
> if it occurs. You certainly don't deserve it.

And we'll keep bitching and whining until we get what we want and throw 
a spanner in the works until we do.  Where would the world be without 
revolution?  Only about 15% of the population  is smart enough to 
understand the issues.  The rest are just being "useful idiots.'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!

[Bhairitu]

shukra69 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> And what about Swami Vivekenanda, Swami Shivananda, Swami Yogananda, and 
>> the list goes on and on?  I met a software engineer once whose dad came 
>> to Hollywood to teach yoga way before Maharishi arrived.
>> 
>
> not effortless transcending,ie Sivananda all about concentration and 
> effort.does not follow at all
>  why always posting so stupid except a desperate need to feel appear 
> important knowledgeable wasting others time,opposite effect.internet 
> stereotype person

We don't know why you are always posting so stupid, Shukra?  Perhaps TM 
didn't work for you or you're doing some meth or sniffing glue or 
getting drunk while posting.  You probably need to get into a rehab 
program. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Stays Silent

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> 
> So Let Me Get This Straight…
> 
> We, the greatest nation on earth, are supposed to be
> Collectively Freaked Out because some sad little geek
> couldn't make his fucking underpants explode properly?

Sometimes Thersites engages his keyboard before putting
his brain in gear. And of course the do.rk doesn't
stop to think whether he's making sense as long as what
he's copying-and-pasting seems like it might fit into
his drooling Obama Our Perfect Hero Daddy mindset.

People aren't freaked out because they guy couldn't
detonate his bomb. They're freaked out that he was able
to get on the plane with stuff that could have brought
the plane down had it gone off.

And Superultrazen Master Obama is also freaked out,
having started investigations into why the guy got
through security, as well as giving the TSA the go-
ahead to behave as if every passenger was a panty-
bomber clone planning to set off a bomb in their
crotch no more than one hour before landing.

> Ain't Nothin Wrong With Yemen An Invasion Can't Solve, Right?
> Pro-Israeli propaganda eternal war proponent neocon Joe
> Lieberman wants to 'pre-emptively' attack Yemen just like
> he was chafing at the bit to invade Iraq

What Lieberman *actually* said was:

  that the United
> States faced "danger" unless it pre-emptively acts to curb
> the rise of terrorism in Yemen.

"Attack" and "act" both begin with A, so they must mean
the same thing, right?

> NOTE: Just like with the estimated hundreds of thousands
> of Iraqis who had nothing at all to do with 911 who were
> killed as a result of the US invasion of Iraq, now neocon
> war-monger Joe wants to kill more people in Yemen who had
> nothing at all to do with underpants bomb boy.

NOTE: Big Peace-Daddy Obama is already doing that.

U.S. Widens Terror War to Yemen, a Qaeda Bastion 

By ERIC SCHMITT and ROBERT F. WORTH
Published: December 27, 2009 

WASHINGTON — In the midst of two unfinished major wars,
the United States has quietly opened a third, largely
covert front against Al Qaeda in Yemen

Read all about it: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/world/middleeast/28yemen.html?ref=world

http://tinyurl.com/ycpustd

Lieberman is a piece of garbage, but in this case he's
right in line with Dear Nobel Peace Prize Leader Obama. A
little behind, actually. The effort in Yemen started a
year or so ago.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Airlines overreact to "alleged" bombing attempt

[Mike Dixon]

Give him a job?! My G-d, what's wrong with you? Why, that is utterly hateful of 
you. He needs SSI, food stamps , public housing, free healthcare,  free 
education and and and  citizenship!





From: seekliberation 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 7:44:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Airlines overreact to "alleged" bombing attempt

  
If it were up to me, i'd not only be nice to him, but i'd give him citizenship 
and a decent job. After all, he only wanted to kill Americans because we are so 
evil and wrong ourselves, especially the Americans on the plane with him. 

seekliberation 

--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> I hope they were nice to him when they arrested him. Navy Seals are being 
> court martialed for slugging the guy  in the gut, that murdered Americans, 
> burned them and hung them from a bridge.





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Stays Silent

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> So Let Me Get This Straight…
> 
> We, the greatest nation on earth, are supposed to be Collectively
> Freaked Out   because
> some sad little geek couldn't make his fucking underpants explode
> properly
>  n/story?id=9426085> ?
> 
> posted by 'Thers' at:
> http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/26/late-night-so-let-me-get-this-straight\
> /
> 
> 
> 
> Ain't Nothin Wrong With Yemen An Invasion Can't Solve, Right?
> Pro-Israeli propaganda eternal war proponent neocon Joe Lieberman wants
> to 'pre-emptively' attack Yemen just like he was chafing at the bit to
> invade Iraq
> 
> 
> 
> NOTE: Just like with the estimated hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who
> had nothing at all to do with 911 who were killed as a result of the US
> invasion of Iraq, now neocon war-monger Joe wants to kill more people in
> Yemen who had nothing at all to do with underpants bomb boy.
> 
> Are we going to invade every country where there's an Al Qaeda or any
> other anti-American terrorist group!?!
> 
> 
> ~~Lieberman: The United States Must Pre-Emptively Act In Yemen~~
> 
> Sen. Joseph Lieberman, (I-Conn) a renowned hawk and one of the foremost
> champions of the invasion of Iraq, warned on Sunday that the United
> States faced "danger" unless it pre-emptively acts to curb the rise of
> terrorism in Yemen.
> 
> "Somebody in our government said to me in Sana'a, the capital of Yemen,
> Iraq was yesterday's war. Afghanistan is today's war. If we don't act
> preemptively, Yemen will be tomorrow's war," Lieberman said, during an
> appearance on "Fox News Sunday". "That's the danger we face."
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/27/lieberman-the-united-stat_n_404\
> 241.html
>  4241.html>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Why Obama Stays Silent
> 
> Marc Ambinder
>   notes
> that by not making a public statement on the terrorist plane attack on
> Christmas, President Obama is trying a "tough and novel approach" in
> dealing with such incidents.
> 
> Here's the strategy: "Let the authorities do their work. Don't presume;
> don't panic the country; don't chest-thump, prejudge, interfere,
> politicize (in an international sense), don't give Al Qaeda (or
> whomever) a symbolic victory; resist the urge to open the old playbook
> and run a familiar play."
> 
> "In a sense, he is projecting his calm on the American people, just as
> his advisers are convinced that the Bush Administration projected their
> panic and anger on the self-same public eight years ago."
> 
> http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/27/why_obama_stays_silent.html
>  l>
>

So Joe is a hawk. We knew that. Why is it necessary to write a fluff piece 
about Obama contrasting him with Joe? Joe the hawk vs. Obama the sage, silently 
projecting calm. Obama vacationing in Hawaii doesn't preclude him from comment, 
if only to reiterate what Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano said, 
which was not the least bit hawkish. Just because he hasn't said anything, 
doesn't mean anything. It would have been entirely appropriate for Obama to 
make a statement, if only to actually calm the nation rather that project the 
calm that Obama apologist project on him.

Update: The Undi-Bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab recently told FBI agents 
there are more just like him in Yemen who would strike soon. Even so, one must 
consider the possibility of lying from a man who, indeed, had his pants on fire.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/abdulmutallab-yemen/story?id=9430536

Oh, by the way, lest we forget... "US President Barack Obama personally issued 
the order for US air strikes in Yemen last Thursday which killed scores of 
civilians, including women and children."

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/yeme-d21.shtml

So Joe is the hawk...Riiight. 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Original Social Security legislation very different from today's

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Your views on Social Security as a "bad" thing are shared primarily by 
> > > the right wing fringe minority. Oh wait! ...you DO belong to the right 
> > > wing fringe minority!
> > 
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Putting aside what I am or am not...and not relying on stereotypes, John, 
> > what is it exactly about Social Security that you think is a GOOD thing?
> > 
> > The trillion dollars a year that is paid out?
> > 
> > The fact that people are FORCED to pay into it?
> > 
> > That the contributions have INCREASED tenfold?
> > 
> > That Social Security, as an annuity payment, is an insurance product and 
> > that as such should be under state jurisdiction, NOT the federal government?
> > 
> > That it is a legal Ponzi Scheme in every sense of the word?
> > 
> > Please, John, tell us what you like about it and why the federal government 
> > should be doing it as opposed to, say, individuals or the individual 
> > states?  Why the federal government and why it is some sort of model for 
> > healthcare insurance (again, an area that is supposed to be the exclusive 
> > jurisdiction of the states)?
> >
> 
> 
> Your right wing fringe wingnut views on the value of Social Security to the 
> American people are akin to your right wing fringe wingnut views on AGW. 
> 
> In your case your thinking is based on your inability to comprehend the 
> concepts of "We the People," and "promote the general Welfare" as in 
> government for the common good.
> 
> It's a waste of time to even attempt a rational dialogue with loud, yet 
> impotent, fringe minority handjob trolls like you who live in the alternate 
> reality of Wingnut World.
>


But John you never -- and I mean NEVER -- ever make your own arguments for the 
points of view you hold.   All you ever do is reproduce articles from somewhere 
else on the web or call people names.

Can't you actually think for yourself?  String together a few points that 
supports why you feel a certain way? Debate and counter what those who hold 
different views to yours?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Swans Start As Ugly Ducklings: Healthcare Reform In Perspective

[It's just a ride]

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 9:31 AM, WillyTex  wrote:
>
>
> Unlike yourself, RD probably works, pays U.S. taxes
> and votes in U.S. elections. RD doesn't have a SPECIAL
> health care plan like you do from the U.S. Postal
> Service.
>

What is John Manning's current handle?  Also, which health care plan
does John have from the US Postal service?  I assumed that he was
collecting social security.

[FairfieldLife] The Fine Art Of Not Knowing

[TurquoiseB]

Passed along from Marek, who discovered it, a neat
video in which Richard Feynman, Carl Sagan, S. James 
Gates, Jr., and Freeman Dyson discuss the very thing
I was trying to get at in my reply to Doug this 
morning. What is it we "know?" What is it we even
*can* "know?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbtgNTmNuIw

[FairfieldLife] Re: All Swans Start As Ugly Ducklings: Healthcare Reform In Perspective

[WillyTex]

> > I don't think anyone is going to "kill the bill."
> >
Judy wrote:
> Notice that the do.rk is just completely incapable
> of responding to Raunchy (or me)...
> 
Hey, John! RD seems to be way out of your class for a 
debate. You're getting waxed, big time. I'm starting 
to feel real embarrased for you, Man! 

Frankly, I expected more from you when you came over 
to FFL to debate the issues. It doesn't make the grade 
over here to just copy and paste other people's work, 
without adding any of your own comments. 

Maybe you're scared and afraid being off down there 
alone in a foreign country - I don't know. 

Unlike yourself, RD probably works, pays U.S. taxes 
and votes in U.S. elections. RD doesn't have a SPECIAL 
health care plan like you do from the U.S. Postal 
Service. 

You're not making any sense - the majority of 
Americans are NOT in favor of the current Senate 
health care reform bill. Americans these day have a 
very LOW opinion of your congressional leaders. But,
unlike the two Barry's, most Americans love America.

Aparently you're not even a member of the U.S. 
Democratic Party. What's up with that?

[FairfieldLife] Re: All Swans Start As Ugly Ducklings: Healthcare Reform In Perspective

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
>  wrote:

> > Over and over again, that bastard who stole the
> > election from her fellow traveler Lesbo-Nazi Hilary is no
> > good.  He's played us all along.  Mein Gott.

> 
> The only person who sounds like a broken record around
> here is Bill Hicks spouting stupid sexist insults...again.
> Plus, he's lying. He knows very well I back up my
> criticism of Obama with facts and that it has nothing to
> do with Hillary.

It's amazing that they think dragging out the old PUMA
charge actually constitutes making an argument, that it
somehow decisively defeats any criticism of Obama.

Godwin should add this as a corollary to his "law" that
the first person to make a comparison to Hitler and the
Nazis has lost the argument.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[WillyTex]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> You're getting *exactly* what you deserve for 
> being so fucking complacent, and for so long... 
>
You're still working part-time for IBM, right? 
And, you're probably still paying for U.S. Social
Security. And you're living in Spain. Why not just 
give back your American passport and become a 
Spanish citizen? You don't vote in U.S. elections, 
apparently. 

Sounds like you're the one who is complacent.

> Just a "the view from Europe" post, one reflecting
> comments I've heard from dozens of English and 
> Spanish and French viewers of America embarrassing 
> itself over the attempt to "reform" its basically 
> non-existent health care system. 
> 
> The "non-system" has won. You lost. 
> 
> And you're trying to blame that loss on the only
> person who has gotten you even *close* to having a
> real health care system in American history.
> 
> It's not his fault you lost. You lost because of 
> the law of inertia. For decades you in the United 
> States have sat back and gorged yourself on the 
> meme of "We have the best lifestyle in the world," 
> while allowing the lobbyists and corporations who 
> really run your country to gorge themselves *on* 
> that lifestyle by picking your pockets. 
> 
> Now that times are tough you've awakened to discover 
> that your pockets are empty and *have* no health 
> care other than that you've been complacent enough 
> to pay ten times more for than what it really costs, 
> you want "reform." And, being American, you think 
> that should happen just *because* you want it.
> 
> Not gonna happen. The same people who stole your 
> right to adequate and universal health care from you
> in the first place are going to keep you from getting 
> it now that you've finally figured out that you need 
> it. And there is very little you can do about that 
> other than bitch and whine and blame.
> 
> The problem is *not* all the vested interests who are
> spending millions of dollars to keep their fellow 
> Americans from having adequate health care. They are
> not new, and they are doing nothing new. The problem
> is that you're still letting them do it, as you have
> for decades now.
> 
> And you seem to feel that people in other countries,
> people who *weren't* complacent, and who *didn't* 
> allow private interests to rob them of the right to
> adequate health care, should feel sorry for you. 
> Sorry...we don't. 
> 
> We think that *any* bill that attempts to "reform"
> health care in America will be a miracle, that those
> who pushed it through are miracle workers, and those
> of you who are doing nothing but bitching and whining
> and blaming should be fuckin' grateful for that miracle 
> if it occurs. You certainly don't deserve it.
>

[FairfieldLife] Why Obama Stays Silent

[do.rflex]

So Let Me Get This Straight…

We, the greatest nation on earth, are supposed to be Collectively
Freaked Out   because
some sad little geek couldn't make his fucking underpants explode
properly
 ?

posted by 'Thers' at:
http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/26/late-night-so-let-me-get-this-straight\
/



Ain't Nothin Wrong With Yemen An Invasion Can't Solve, Right?
Pro-Israeli propaganda eternal war proponent neocon Joe Lieberman wants
to 'pre-emptively' attack Yemen just like he was chafing at the bit to
invade Iraq



NOTE: Just like with the estimated hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who
had nothing at all to do with 911 who were killed as a result of the US
invasion of Iraq, now neocon war-monger Joe wants to kill more people in
Yemen who had nothing at all to do with underpants bomb boy.

Are we going to invade every country where there's an Al Qaeda or any
other anti-American terrorist group!?!


~~Lieberman: The United States Must Pre-Emptively Act In Yemen~~

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, (I-Conn) a renowned hawk and one of the foremost
champions of the invasion of Iraq, warned on Sunday that the United
States faced "danger" unless it pre-emptively acts to curb the rise of
terrorism in Yemen.

"Somebody in our government said to me in Sana'a, the capital of Yemen,
Iraq was yesterday's war. Afghanistan is today's war. If we don't act
preemptively, Yemen will be tomorrow's war," Lieberman said, during an
appearance on "Fox News Sunday". "That's the danger we face."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/27/lieberman-the-united-stat_n_404\
241.html





Why Obama Stays Silent

Marc Ambinder
  notes
that by not making a public statement on the terrorist plane attack on
Christmas, President Obama is trying a "tough and novel approach" in
dealing with such incidents.

Here's the strategy: "Let the authorities do their work. Don't presume;
don't panic the country; don't chest-thump, prejudge, interfere,
politicize (in an international sense), don't give Al Qaeda (or
whomever) a symbolic victory; resist the urge to open the old playbook
and run a familiar play."

"In a sense, he is projecting his calm on the American people, just as
his advisers are convinced that the Bush Administration projected their
panic and anger on the self-same public eight years ago."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/27/why_obama_stays_silent.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deja Poo -- the technique for successful FFL reading

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> But if you'd like to *discourage* the Poo, just ignore its silly
> ass. Add it to the Déja Poo Pile and save your responses for
> some post that actually says something new.

Speaking of saying something new, anybody want to
estimate the number of posts Barry has made urging
FFLers not to read or respond to the folks here he
doesn't like?

> Remember...shit may happen, but only perpetuates itself if
> you pick it up and play with it. At any point you can practice
> mindfulness and "catch yourself" in the process of replying
> to Yet Another Pile Of Poo and just stop. Abandon the clever
> retort or insult you had started to write and move on

And instead, throw poo at those you claim are flinging
poo, while exalting yourself for having refrained from
doing so.

Again, we are fortunate to have someone here whose
vision is so crystal clear.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!

[shukra69]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> And what about Swami Vivekenanda, Swami Shivananda, Swami Yogananda, and 
> the list goes on and on?  I met a software engineer once whose dad came 
> to Hollywood to teach yoga way before Maharishi arrived.

not effortless transcending,ie Sivananda all about concentration and 
effort.does not follow at all
 why always posting so stupid except a desperate need to feel appear important 
knowledgeable wasting others time,opposite effect.internet stereotype person

  Maharishi was 
> just another "flavor of the month" for the mystical societies that 
> Charlie Lutes and his buddies were involved in.   What you can claim is 
> that Maharishi "popularized" meditation.
> 
> shukra69 wrote:
> > Such instruction was almost non-existant before Maharishi and is 
> > exceedingly rare outside his teaching even today, though of course with 
> > success there are imitators, and those like yourself who seek personal 
> > enrichment by criticising those who are trying to help others.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
> >   
> >> Maharishi was teaching this meditation for free for several years before 
> >> residing in Hollywood and starting to charge for it simple meditation 
> >> instruction. I doubt anyone back in India in those days would have paid to 
> >> be given a mantra and a little advice on how to bring the mind to a state 
> >> of restful alertness.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
 
> The problem is *not* all the vested interests who are
> spending millions of dollars to keep their fellow 
> Americans from having adequate health care. They are
> not new, and they are doing nothing new. The problem
> is that you're still letting them do it, as you have
> for decades now.

Well, actually, a lot of people worked very hard to
get a president and a Congress elected that would
stop them from doing it. Worked very hard to do the
same thing back in 1992, for that matter.

Both times, the person we elected president promised
to fight for health reform. The first one did what
he promised, fought tooth and nail for reform, but
couldn't get it passed despite his best efforts.

This time around, the person we elected to fight for
us didn't. He doesn't like to fight, it turns out. He
thought he could do it without fighting. And when he
found he couldn't, he ended up capitulating to the
vested interests to get something he could pretend was
a major achievement.


> And you seem to feel that people in other countries,
> people who *weren't* complacent, and who *didn't* 
> allow private interests to rob them of the right to
> adequate health care, should feel sorry for you. 
> Sorry...we don't.

Another of Barry's convenient hallucinations. Nobody
has suggested other people in other countries should
feel sorry for us.

> We think that *any* bill that attempts to "reform"
> health care in America will be a miracle,

Even if it doesn't actually reform health care...

 that those
> who pushed it through are miracle workers,

Or who didn't do the necessary pushing to get real
reform through but who will hang a "Miracle Worker"
sign around their necks if *anything* passes. The
insurance companies and other vested interests will
be only too happy to applaud, Barry along with them.

 and those
> of you who are doing nothing but bitching and whining
> and blaming should be fuckin' grateful for that miracle 
> if it occurs. You certainly don't deserve it.

Yeah, rather than sticking around to fight, we should
all have skipped the country like Barry and gone to
live in Europe, where we could have taken advantage of
what the folks there fought for without having to do
any fighting ourselves. And then sat back and mocked
those who stayed to fight for not deserving what we
were fighting for.

Thank goodness somebody around here has such a clear
vision of who deserves what.

[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Dr. Steven Greer presents "Contact & Disclosure: The Final Sequenc

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> I was merely praising those who are unafraid to talk
> about their experiences *as* experiences, without
> trying to "bag" them or claim what they "mean." You
> took that idea and tried to use it to justify elitism.

But don't make the mistake of thinking that it's elitism
when a person continually puts others down for not having
had the same experiences he claims to have had. My
goodness, no indeed. How could you possibly think such a
thing?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Swans Start As Ugly Ducklings: Healthcare Reform In Perspective

[It's just a ride]

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 11:21 PM, raunchydog  wrote:

> He's totally incapable of discussing any of the specifics of the "flawed" 
> bill. Both of > them would do well to become more informed.

The only people who are informed about the bill are those who run
around yelling that the sky is falling  I recognize that in the
present form of the bill, we're fucked.  Now that's a generality.
Listing each and every bad feature of the bill, every place were we've
given so much away to the insurance companies so that this bill looks
more like a bailout bill for insurance companies proves I'm informed?
Only RD and her ilk are informed?The bill goes into effect in
2013.  Lots of time to fix it or scuttle it.   If the Republicans gain
control of Congress, the bill will get scuttled before it goes into
effect anyway.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Original Social Security legislation very different from today's

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Your views on Social Security as a "bad" thing are shared primarily by the 
> > right wing fringe minority. Oh wait! ...you DO belong to the right wing 
> > fringe minority!
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
> 
> Putting aside what I am or am not...and not relying on stereotypes, John, 
> what is it exactly about Social Security that you think is a GOOD thing?
> 
> The trillion dollars a year that is paid out?
> 
> The fact that people are FORCED to pay into it?
> 
> That the contributions have INCREASED tenfold?
> 
> That Social Security, as an annuity payment, is an insurance product and that 
> as such should be under state jurisdiction, NOT the federal government?
> 
> That it is a legal Ponzi Scheme in every sense of the word?
> 
> Please, John, tell us what you like about it and why the federal government 
> should be doing it as opposed to, say, individuals or the individual states?  
> Why the federal government and why it is some sort of model for healthcare 
> insurance (again, an area that is supposed to be the exclusive jurisdiction 
> of the states)?
>


Your right wing fringe wingnut views on the value of Social Security to the 
American people are akin to your right wing fringe wingnut views on AGW. 

In your case your thinking is based on your inability to comprehend the 
concepts of "We the People," and "promote the general Welfare" as in government 
for the common good.

It's a waste of time to even attempt a rational dialogue with loud, yet 
impotent, fringe minority handjob trolls like you who live in the alternate 
reality of Wingnut World.

[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Dr. Steven Greer presents "Contact & Disclosure: The Final Sequenc

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > The second, however, is to pass along to your brother
> > through you how LUCKY he is to have had an experience
> > like this. And by "like this" I mean a subjective
> > experience that he can *never prove the truth of*,
> > but that he is willing to talk about *as* an exper-
> > ience. That in my opinion is a fascinating opportunity,
> > and one that can shift the perceiver to a new level of
> > perception and self-acceptance.
> > 
> > Take levitation. I've seen it...hundreds of times. I
> > have never claimed to know *what* exactly it was that
> > I saw hundreds of times, only that I saw it. It really
> > doesn't matter to me at all whether what I saw was
> > "real levitation" and would have been captured by video
> > cameras or whether it was some projected consciousness
> > or mass hallucination event. Doesn't matter a bit. ALL
> > that matters is that I'm willing to stand up and say,
> > "This was my subjective experience. I do not under-
> > stand it and make no claims as to what it 'really was,'
> > but I will not *deny* having experienced it just because
> > me talking about it makes you uncomfortable or jealous."
> > 
> > Look at Shemp. He is so apoplectic that I have had the
> > subjective experience of witnessing levitation -- and
> > hundreds of times, no less -- and that *he hasn't* 
> > that he's spent dozens of posts over the years harbor-
> > ing a grudge at me and trying to demonize me over it.
> > And it's all nothing but pure JEALOUSY on his part.
> > He spent thirty or more years in spiritual pursuits
> > and saw and experienced diddleysquat. And it really
> > *burns* his ass that others had experiences he didn't.
> > So he wastes his time and his energy trying to demon-
> > ize those he's jealous of.
> > 
> > The thing is, what I'd wish for him as a result is 
> > not any kind of revenge or "payback" for all this
> > pissant jealousy. I'd wish that someday he has an
> > experience of some kind that puts him in *exactly
> > the same position*. Some subjective experience that
> > was vivid and felt real and was so extraordinary that
> > he cannot ignore it. But at the same time, there is
> > no way he can EVER prove to anyone else that he 
> > experienced it or what it "really was." It's just 
> > hearsay to everyone else.
> > 
> > THIS is "where the rubber meets the road" in my opinion
> > in the world of spiritual development. Whether it is
> > performance of the siddhis or experience of a "higher
> > state of consciousness" or perception of gods or angels
> > or higher beings, it's ALL *one man's subjective
> > experience*. Nothing more. The man in question can
> > *never* fully "prove" the validity of or even existence
> > of his subjective experience. 
> > 
> > So what does he *DO* about this?
> > 
> > The wusses *submit* to the jealousy of those around 
> > them and stop talking about their subjective experiences.
> > They STFU. 
> > 
> > But the warriors -- the ones who actually have some spir-
> > itual chops -- they talk about it *anyway*, just to see
> > what happens. And sometimes other people believe them,
> > and wind up having similar experiences themselves. Or not.
> > But at least the strong ones stayed TRUE TO THEMSELVES.
> > They didn't stop talking about their own experiences
> > just because other people were uncomfortable or jealous
> > because they talked about them. 
> > 
> > Your brother has such an opportunity, and should cherish 
> > it for what it is. He doesn't have to claim to know 
> > exactly what what he saw is, only that he saw it. That,
> > and being willing to do it, is valuable in itself. It
> > shows a depth of character that the jealous ones jeering
> > from the sidelines will never have.
> 
> Turq, this is good observant criticism.

One that you missed completely. :-)

> You're nailing around the old problem here, that experiential 
> gulf between spiritual meditators and un-spiritual non-
> meditators.  Between those who by experience know and those 
> who failing for spiritual experience do not know.  

You miss the point. Those who have "experienced"
don't "know." They have only experienced. 

They HAVE NO IDEA what what they experienced "means"
or even in many cases what it was. The MOST they 
can ever say is, "I experienced this." 

That is NOT "knowing." Especially when used to per-
petuate the gulf between "meditators" and "non-
meditators" or "spiritual" vs. "non-spiritual."

I was merely praising those who are unafraid to talk
about their experiences *as* experiences, without
trying to "bag" them or claim what they "mean." You
took that idea and tried to use it to justify elitism.

[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Dr. Steven Greer presents "Contact & Disclosure: The Final Sequenc

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> I didn't bother to watch the video because I have
> zero interest in UFOs.  
> I comment on your brother's experience not to dump
> on it or "explain it away" or point to it and say 
> "See...the space brothers *do* exist you idiots...
> I am right and you are all WRONG!" like Nabby might 
> do. I'll just make two points.
> 
> The first is that I have met many people who saw
> *something* in the sky and just assumed (because 
> that's how Earthlings think) that it was some kind
> of *technology* that they saw. When pressed, they
> all admitted that what they saw could just as easily
> have been some form of light or "subtle body exper-
> ience." If, for example, one encountered a being
> without a physical body and with only a subtle body,
> how would most Earthlings interpret that? Well, they
> would consider it a "spaceship" because they have
> no intellectual framework for understanding subtle
> bodies. 
> 
> The second, however, is to pass along to your brother
> through you how LUCKY he is to have had an experience
> like this. And by "like this" I mean a subjective
> experience that he can *never prove the truth of*,
> but that he is willing to talk about *as* an exper-
> ience. That in my opinion is a fascinating opportunity,
> and one that can shift the perceiver to a new level of
> perception and self-acceptance.
> 
> Take levitation. I've seen it...hundreds of times. I
> have never claimed to know *what* exactly it was that
> I saw hundreds of times, only that I saw it. It really
> doesn't matter to me at all whether what I saw was
> "real levitation" and would have been captured by video
> cameras or whether it was some projected consciousness
> or mass hallucination event. Doesn't matter a bit. ALL
> that matters is that I'm willing to stand up and say,
> "This was my subjective experience. I do not under-
> stand it and make no claims as to what it 'really was,'
> but I will not *deny* having experienced it just because
> me talking about it makes you uncomfortable or jealous."
> 
> Look at Shemp. He is so apoplectic that I have had the
> subjective experience of witnessing levitation -- and
> hundreds of times, no less -- and that *he hasn't* 
> that he's spent dozens of posts over the years harbor-
> ing a grudge at me and trying to demonize me over it.
> And it's all nothing but pure JEALOUSY on his part.
> He spent thirty or more years in spiritual pursuits
> and saw and experienced diddleysquat. And it really
> *burns* his ass that others had experiences he didn't.
> So he wastes his time and his energy trying to demon-
> ize those he's jealous of.
> 
> The thing is, what I'd wish for him as a result is 
> not any kind of revenge or "payback" for all this
> pissant jealousy. I'd wish that someday he has an
> experience of some kind that puts him in *exactly
> the same position*. Some subjective experience that
> was vivid and felt real and was so extraordinary that
> he cannot ignore it. But at the same time, there is
> no way he can EVER prove to anyone else that he 
> experienced it or what it "really was." It's just 
> hearsay to everyone else.
> 
> THIS is "where the rubber meets the road" in my opinion
> in the world of spiritual development. Whether it is
> performance of the siddhis or experience of a "higher
> state of consciousness" or perception of gods or angels
> or higher beings, it's ALL *one man's subjective
> experience*. Nothing more. The man in question can
> *never* fully "prove" the validity of or even existence
> of his subjective experience. 
> 
> So what does he *DO* about this?
> 
> The wusses *submit* to the jealousy of those around 
> them and stop talking about their subjective experiences.
> They STFU. 
> 
> But the warriors -- the ones who actually have some spir-
> itual chops -- they talk about it *anyway*, just to see
> what happens. And sometimes other people believe them,
> and wind up having similar experiences themselves. Or not.
> But at least the strong ones stayed TRUE TO THEMSELVES.
> They didn't stop talking about their own experiences
> just because other people were uncomfortable or jealous
> because they talked about them. 
> 
> Your brother has such an opportunity, and should cherish 
> it for what it is. He doesn't have to claim to know 
> exactly what what he saw is, only that he saw it. That,
> and being willing to do it, is valuable in itself. It
> shows a depth of character that the jealous ones jeering
> from the sidelines will never have.
>

Turq, this is good observant criticism.
You're nailing around the old problem here, that experiential gulf between 
spiritual meditators and un-spiritual non-meditators.  Between those who by 
experience know and those who failing for spiritual experience do not know.  Is 
an age old disparity evidently.  

The difference now is that science seems to also indicate that something 
actually is happening and further in policy,  that broader 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deja Poo -- the technique for successful FFL reading

[raunchydog]

Barry, the Master of Deja Poo, the endless source of poo, plays in his poo then 
flings it at passerbys. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2W0ja50v18  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> In a recent post, "It's just a ride" posed the question:
> >
> > Why does anyone still bother to reply to RD?
> 
> A good question, one that he might have pondered deeply
> enough to...uh...not reply.  :-)
> 
> I understand his frustration. There are a number of posters
> who seem to post the Same Old Shit over and over and over
> again on this forum, such that one cannot help but be struck
> by an overwhelming of Déja Poo when encountering them.
> 
> As my New Year's gift to fellow FFLers, might I propose a
> technique for dealing with this Déja Poo phenomenon?
> 
> When you encounter a Déja Poo post -- one that makes you
> think, "Haven't I seen this shit before somewhere?" -- rather
> than comment on its redundancy and repetitiveness and the
> obvious lack of creativity of its author, why not just ignore
> its silly ass and move on?
> 
> The primary rule of the Déja Poo technique is "Poo happens."
> The secondary rule is "Poo replicates." By picking up the Poo
> and playing with it, you help it to replicate.
> 
> So the next time you find yourself confronted with a big pile
> of Déja Poo on Fairfield Life, ask yourself this question:
> 
>   [http://gorlackers.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/poo-pin2.jpg]
> 
> If you *want* to perpetuate the Poo, by all means pick it up
> and play with it. *Encourage* the Poo *by* playing with it
> and getting it all over yourself.
> 
> But if you'd like to *discourage* the Poo, just ignore its silly
> ass. Add it to the Déja Poo Pile and save your responses for
> some post that actually says something new.
> 
> Remember...shit may happen, but only perpetuates itself if
> you pick it up and play with it. At any point you can practice
> mindfulness and "catch yourself" in the process of replying
> to Yet Another Pile Of Poo and just stop. Abandon the clever
> retort or insult you had started to write and move on:
> 
>   [http://i.imgur.com/DOg2k.jpg]
> 
> The Déja Poo technique. Best thing since TM, and much cheaper.
> 
> Try it today...
>

[FairfieldLife] The bottom line of health care reform -- America gets what it deserves

[TurquoiseB]

Just a "the view from Europe" post, one reflecting
comments I've heard from dozens of English and 
Spanish and French viewers of America embarrassing 
itself over the attempt to "reform" its basically 
non-existent health care system. 

The "non-system" has won. You lost. 

And you're trying to blame that loss on the only
person who has gotten you even *close* to having a
real health care system in American history.

It's not his fault you lost. You lost because of 
the law of inertia. For decades you in the United 
States have sat back and gorged yourself on the 
meme of "We have the best lifestyle in the world," 
while allowing the lobbyists and corporations who 
really run your country to gorge themselves *on* 
that lifestyle by picking your pockets. 

Now that times are tough you've awakened to discover 
that your pockets are empty and *have* no health 
care other than that you've been complacent enough 
to pay ten times more for than what it really costs, 
you want "reform." And, being American, you think 
that should happen just *because* you want it.

Not gonna happen. The same people who stole your 
right to adequate and universal health care from you
in the first place are going to keep you from getting 
it now that you've finally figured out that you need 
it. And there is very little you can do about that 
other than bitch and whine and blame.

The problem is *not* all the vested interests who are
spending millions of dollars to keep their fellow 
Americans from having adequate health care. They are
not new, and they are doing nothing new. The problem
is that you're still letting them do it, as you have
for decades now.

You're getting *exactly* what you deserve for being
so fucking complacent, and for so long. 

And you seem to feel that people in other countries,
people who *weren't* complacent, and who *didn't* 
allow private interests to rob them of the right to
adequate health care, should feel sorry for you. 
Sorry...we don't. 

We think that *any* bill that attempts to "reform"
health care in America will be a miracle, that those
who pushed it through are miracle workers, and those
of you who are doing nothing but bitching and whining
and blaming should be fuckin' grateful for that miracle 
if it occurs. You certainly don't deserve it.

[FairfieldLife] Deja Poo -- the technique for successful FFL reading

[TurquoiseB]

In a recent post, "It's just a ride" posed the question:
>
> Why does anyone still bother to reply to RD?

A good question, one that he might have pondered deeply
enough to...uh...not reply.  :-)

I understand his frustration. There are a number of posters
who seem to post the Same Old Shit over and over and over
again on this forum, such that one cannot help but be struck
by an overwhelming of Déja Poo when encountering them.

As my New Year's gift to fellow FFLers, might I propose a
technique for dealing with this Déja Poo phenomenon?

When you encounter a Déja Poo post -- one that makes you
think, "Haven't I seen this shit before somewhere?" -- rather
than comment on its redundancy and repetitiveness and the
obvious lack of creativity of its author, why not just ignore
its silly ass and move on?

The primary rule of the Déja Poo technique is "Poo happens."
The secondary rule is "Poo replicates." By picking up the Poo
and playing with it, you help it to replicate.

So the next time you find yourself confronted with a big pile
of Déja Poo on Fairfield Life, ask yourself this question:

  [http://gorlackers.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/poo-pin2.jpg]

If you *want* to perpetuate the Poo, by all means pick it up
and play with it. *Encourage* the Poo *by* playing with it
and getting it all over yourself.

But if you'd like to *discourage* the Poo, just ignore its silly
ass. Add it to the Déja Poo Pile and save your responses for
some post that actually says something new.

Remember...shit may happen, but only perpetuates itself if
you pick it up and play with it. At any point you can practice
mindfulness and "catch yourself" in the process of replying
to Yet Another Pile Of Poo and just stop. Abandon the clever
retort or insult you had started to write and move on:

  [http://i.imgur.com/DOg2k.jpg]

The Déja Poo technique. Best thing since TM, and much cheaper.

Try it today...