[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: No one said it any better than you just did, Curtis. Rory's unintelligible gibberish is a crock pot of mumbling, sputtering, as if Buckminster Fuller's dry but highly technical descriptions of a geodesic dome merged with a Urantia book writer's imagination. The issue with Rory is *not* his level of self importance. That you can see in any number of people who write tomes of knowledge and inflict it upon hapless Internet readers or New Agers. The shocking thing is that he seems to have found an *audience* for it in Fairfield. As Sal said and I hinted at, that's really weird, and speaks to the utter desperation with which long-term TMers long for tales of spiritual experience, in lieu of real spiritual experience of their own. Who, after all, if they were having regular cool experiences of their own, would be impressed by this Rorian crap? Call me crazy, but I equate such fascinations with Slacker Spirituality, expecting someone else to provide stories of experiences you're too fuckin' lazy to find on your own, and eventually (as in Nabby's case) to provide them to you by zapping you magically, with (again) no effort needed on your part. Listening to teachers like this and feeling all special because of it is armchair spirituality and IMO is pretty much the same phenomenon as meeting an NFL quarterback in line at Walmart and believing that your own football skills have gotten better as a result of touching his holy aura. It's a groupie thang, not an actual seeker thang. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: You can see him sooner than that even-- He started his own Facebook group, the Rorian Mystery School. :) http://bit.ly/aNzsLg Thanks for posting this. I just can't figure this out. It's as though Rory could go on hour after hour with this stuff. What I wonder is, would he give the same talk tomorrow as he gave today, if he were extrapolating on the same subject. He is running a language form. The content doesn't matter. You can riff in this form endlessly whether you are discussing enlightenment or someone's dead relative speaking from beyond the grave. It is related to carnivals style cold reading language. Like Maharishi, there is not end to number of hours that can be filled with this form. Like those programs Web designers use to fill text boxes that look like text but are actually randomly generated word like gibberish. It is easier when you are discussing abstract topics than when giving someone a psychic reading but the formula is similar. Me with spooky deep eyes: The transversing planets within the universe of our own Self (reflected in the microcosmic self as personality rays) display the dynamics of tension arising from the opposing forces of the creative process within the cosmic core or the I am creator whose nature is know to those who have awakened their inner light as the SUN source of light, energy, and bliss for the totality of consciousness becoming aware of its own amness the unchanging absolute basis for all that changes and blossoms forth into what we know as the many levels of creation throughout all time and transcending time into the timelessness of our own infinite awakened SELF. Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent. NEXT!
[FairfieldLife] The Big Philosophical Question Of The Week
I like to amuse myself on Saturday mornings by trying to figure out what the Big Issue Of The Week will be here on FFL. This week my guess (not seeing) is whether the fact that the Quintessential Quintet Of Evil (Curtis, Sal, Vaj, do.rflex, and the Evil Barry) have all Ragged On Rory is considered evil enough that someone will feel compelled to rush in to defend him, or whether Rory has to be accused of child molestation before he's considered worthy of her talents. So there, Curtis. I've done my part to throw myself on the grenade for this week. Now I can just sit back and watch the fireworks. Until Tuesday. At the latest. :-)
[FairfieldLife] PSA: Remedial education for the climate change / denier battles this week
Climate change worriers wondering how to how to gracefully handle climate change deniers need go no further than this short training film created by the Second City comedy troupe. It proposes a kinder, gentler approach than that usually seen here on FFL. Remember, removing vital organs is just not the answer. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/how-to-handle-climate-cha_n_467671.html
[FairfieldLife] Wow! Talk about the power of prayer!
OK, I guess you guys have gotten the point by now that I'm not religious, and don't much see the point of praying to imaginary beings. But imagine being someone who *does* believe in those imaginary beings, on your knees praying to Him, and having him dump the building you erected in His honor on you. That'd really mess with your head. Morocco Minaret Collapse: Many Dead, Injured In Mosque Accident RABAT, Morocco A minaret collapsed during Friday prayers killing 36 people and injuring 71 at a crowded mosque in the old town of the historic Moroccan city of Meknes, the official MAP news agency said. Officials blamed the accident on heavy rain that had weakened the minaret at the Bab Berdieyinne Mosque, according to a statement released by the Interior Ministry. King Mohammed VI sent the interior minister and religious affairs minister to Meknes, a UNESCO heritage city and one of Morocco's four imperial cities, some 120 kilometers (62 miles) east of the capital Rabat. The officials visited some of the injured at hospitals in Meknes. The more seriously injured were taken to hospitals in the nearby city of Fes. A team of psychologists also was sent. The old town of Meknes is a pedestrian zone, which made rescue efforts more difficult. MAP, citing official sources, said hospitals had already released 51 people, but were still treating 20 injured victims. The king has ordered the reconstruction of the mosque, which was built four centuries ago under Sultan Moulay Ismail, who made Meknes his capital. Heavy rain battered the city Friday, and more rain has been forecast for the next week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PSA: Remedial education for the climate change / denier battles this week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Climate change worriers wondering how to how to gracefully handle climate change deniers need go no further than this short training film created by the Second City comedy troupe. It proposes a kinder, gentler approach than that usually seen here on FFL. Remember, removing vital organs is just not the answer. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/how-to-handle-climate-cha_n_467671.html Ha! On the basis that the Devil gets all the best jokes, I take this as evidence that us *deniers* must be on the side of the angels... [PS I can't help but notice that warmists have suddenly gained a wonderful and useful clarity about the climate versus weather distinction. Not a distinction that's troubled many of them much in the past!]
[FairfieldLife] Mrs. Raj Raam's Cotillion Contest (was Re: PSA: Remedial education)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Climate change worriers wondering how to how to gracefully handle climate change deniers need go no further than this short training film created by the Second City comedy troupe. It proposes a kinder, gentler approach than that usually seen here on FFL. Remember, removing vital organs is just not the answer. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/how-to-handle-climate-cha_n_467\ 671.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/how-to-handle-climate-cha_n_46\ 7671.html Ha! Glad you enjoyed it. Thought you might. I was actually impressed that I found this link on Huffpost, a major supplier of Climate Change brand heart jerky. Shows that *some* liberals can laugh at their own...uh...overfervor. On the basis that the Devil gets all the best jokes, I take this as evidence that us *deniers* must be on the side of the angels... Are you suggesting that angels drink...uh... hazelnut-flavored coffee? Shukra and JohnR might want to have a word with you over such heresy. :-) [PS I can't help but notice that warmists have suddenly gained a wonderful and useful clarity about the climate versus weather distinction. Not a distinction that's troubled many of them much in the past!] I was really glad to find such a funny comedy sketch about this whole routine, because frankly as a Climate Change agnostic I've grown tired of its deadly seriousness. The *battles*, man. As if they *were* real battles, and as if they mattered. That's one reason I've always liked your lighter approach. Personally I wish people would spend less time debating Climate Change and more time on important spiritual issues such as what will Mrs. Raj Raam wear to her cotillion, as she is presented to the other Rajas? I'm betting on an off-white sari, as pure white would just be too in the Rajas' faces. Seriously, you just *know* that such an event is in the TMO's future. So what would it be like, Mrs. Raam's Coming Out Party? Who would be invited? Who would refuse to come? Would it be more Gone With The Wind or Gandarva With The Veda? Would any of the other Rajas be allowed to bring their wives? Or, even more interesting, their mistresses? The mind boggles. Mine, anyway. If yours does, too, and you can think up any clever Mrs. Raj Raam Cotillion ideas or dialogue, please post away. Consider it a contest to see who here is most Off The Program.
[FairfieldLife] It's cold. So there's no Climate Change
Climate Denial Crock of the Week- It's cold. So there's no Climate Change Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0JsdSDa_bM Check out the other 'Climate Denial Crock of the Week' clips by following the links.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dust my Blues!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: That's why, in hindsight, I see that it was wrong to utter derogatory words about the blues of curtis; if it sings in your mind and heart that is certainly all that matters. I appreciate you saying that Nabby. And I appreciate anyone who listens to my music long enough to form an opinion either way. Every musician follows their own heart, ultimately I play the music that moves ME. Along the way I meets some folks that resonate with that, we share similar tastes. Every musician knows that most people listen will to them for a moment and then turn back to the music that moves them more. But as long as I keep my own center, I will find people who share my passion for keeping this old time acoustic blues alive. It doesn't hurt me when people say they like other people's music better. I'm the same way with other styles that don't move me as much. To each his own. In the end, if the worst criticism I get this week is that I don't play guitar as well as Jimi Hendrix, it has been a pretty good week! At least we share a passionate interest in music Nabby. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Manfred Eicher only uses the best of the best people on this Planet in studio, fellows with amazing ears only; fools may not apply. If you are one of those few; all credit to you ! If you worked for Mr. Eicher I promize I will read every word you write here from now on :-) Nabby, just curious, do you like Richard Wagner? Why, ofcourse. All real music sings the glory of the Divine, your Master and eternal love within; it resonates; that's why you want to listen more; it's self-referal. Perhaps Chopin or Henrix wrote a song, but they wrote it for the Divinity in you, from the unbounded love of Self; how else would you recognise it ? It was done from you to you. However some composers are closer to this heart than others. Mozart, Jarret, Arvo Prth and Chopin particularily. That's why, in hindsight, I see that it was wrong to utter derogatory words about the blues of curtis; if it sings in your mind and heart that is certainly all that matters. Keith Jarret and Jan Garbarek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA7fqYrQGpsfeature=related Other stuff for carde: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw4oc5fKzO4feature=related http://tinyurl.com/6cq9p9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdbBgjLv1s8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn5r6KscagM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: No one said it any better than you just did, Curtis. Rory's unintelligible gibberish is a crock pot of mumbling, sputtering, as if Buckminster Fuller's dry but highly technical descriptions of a geodesic dome merged with a Urantia book writer's imagination. Excellent description. I would like to add to what I wrote that I do believe he is sincere and not like the cynical carny I described whose language form he shares IMO. If you believe in your own rap then the language form just flows naturally and continuously. When I was teaching TM I could talk for hours about Vedic studies. Once you start it up it runs by itself almost like good songwriting moments. I had decent chats with Rory when he posted here and don't think he is a bad guy. I believe he is a highly imaginative dramatic person who is like a novelist caught up in his own novel. I don't doubt that he has a very compelling inner world of experience that he is describing. Where we differ is what it means. He seems to believe that the intensity and clarity of inner experience confers epistemological value. I do not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: You can see him sooner than that even-- He started his own Facebook group, the Rorian Mystery School. :) http://bit.ly/aNzsLg Thanks for posting this. I just can't figure this out. It's as though Rory could go on hour after hour with this stuff. What I wonder is, would he give the same talk tomorrow as he gave today, if he were extrapolating on the same subject. He is running a language form. The content doesn't matter. You can riff in this form endlessly whether you are discussing enlightenment or someone's dead relative speaking from beyond the grave. It is related to carnivals style cold reading language. Like Maharishi, there is not end to number of hours that can be filled with this form. Like those programs Web designers use to fill text boxes that look like text but are actually randomly generated word like gibberish. It is easier when you are discussing abstract topics than when giving someone a psychic reading but the formula is similar. Me with spooky deep eyes: The transversing planets within the universe of our own Self (reflected in the microcosmic self as personality rays) display the dynamics of tension arising from the opposing forces of the creative process within the cosmic core or the I am creator whose nature is know to those who have awakened their inner light as the SUN source of light, energy, and bliss for the totality of consciousness becoming aware of its own amness the unchanging absolute basis for all that changes and blossoms forth into what we know as the many levels of creation throughout all time and transcending time into the timelessness of our own infinite awakened SELF. Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent. NEXT!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heavenly Music
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Try this composition by Ennio Morricone, Cinema Paraiso. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FzVWlOKeLsfeature=related Nice !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: A different lurker asking, off-list: Who's this Rory Goff customer? Answer:Om,Rory has his experience and is legit himself that way. Like a lot of folks in FF now. But, by Blurting out what his spiritual experience actually is he drives the TM-quitters and the non-meditator writers on FFL especially crazy. Is an old history on FFL that way. Not to mention the socalled Buddhists here, particularily the Turq whom Rory drove nuts ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
Okay I play debbil's advocate ..mosque- so let's see,WHO(M) were they praying to? Allah? Perhaps that is not God but a demi god, or just a fallen angel , or an enlightened person who died, and humans still alive just can't get over them. Perhaps then it was the real God full of wrath that was jealous and smashed that thing down. *Or maybe the rain falls on the good and the evil alike* *or maybe it was not bad at all that this happened;because the praying all left their bodies and went on to God or a better life. *perhaps to stay living in that body was not the best plan,plans for another life had arisen. *perhaps this event will be the ground zero for some spark of invention, for uncollapsable timber, or a welling of the heart to instill REAL peace* This being in the box labeled unfortunate event may not be the truth or intent of it existing in the time line. -What if there is no evil? What is it is all good? Can you imagine it being so? Is the destruction of ___(fill in with any 'end') evil, or is it good, we just haven't seen the good yet.? Implosions happen in Vegas quite regularly, thru intent of destruction, OR thru intent of building a NEW thing. Perhaps there is a good plan of growing a good not EVIL thing out of this. In fact, don't we have that example every winter, where everything is' destroyed' leaves torn off by the winds, ground becomes in hospitable to grow food...could we not label that evil, and not to our benefit? BUT It is not so it is a meditation slowing resting period for the land, trees, etc...just as we too, in accord, must rest, stop, meditate, to re new. This is not an evil thing to stop and renew Perhaps I can guide the eyes of you to contemplate, that it is not so bad/evil that a temporal structure is in a period of change(what is it now, is it being firewood, warming? Is someone thankful, for a chair they can make out of it, some work they wouldn't have had -? Perhaps the ever living never dying soul has gone on to whatever nirvana or destiny the plans were for it. So we here, mourn the shift, the change, us creatures of habit. Mourn that we cannot understand the Good Intent that is behind the scenes It is beauty It is good This, is better than what would have been/transpired had it stayed erected. Had they stayed in those temporal bodies/shells. Peace, -M
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
And those 108 are: http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic-astrology-jyotisha/451732-primordial-sound-meditation.html The irony is that the mantra you get seems to be the worst possible one for you: that list gives me the standard mantra for reducing kapha while I've always been highly vata. --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:21 PM LINK
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: Okay I play debbil's advocate Me too! I've got a message from one of the people in the mosque: Please get this rock off my head. No really, I mean it. I need someone to help me get this rock off my head. I'm dying here and want to stay in my temporal body/shell. But without...you know... the rock on my HEAD. ..mosque- so let's see,WHO(M) were they praying to? Allah? Perhaps that is not God but a demi god, or just a fallen angel , or an enlightened person who died, and humans still alive just can't get over them. Perhaps then it was the real God full of wrath that was jealous and smashed that thing down. *Or maybe the rain falls on the good and the evil alike* *or maybe it was not bad at all that this happened;because the praying all left their bodies and went on to God or a better life. *perhaps to stay living in that body was not the best plan,plans for another life had arisen. *perhaps this event will be the ground zero for some spark of invention, for uncollapsable timber, or a welling of the heart to instill REAL peace* This being in the box labeled unfortunate event may not be the truth or intent of it existing in the time line. -What if there is no evil? What is it is all good? Can you imagine it being so? Is the destruction of ___(fill in with any 'end') evil, or is it good, we just haven't seen the good yet.? Implosions happen in Vegas quite regularly, thru intent of destruction, OR thru intent of building a NEW thing. Perhaps there is a good plan of growing a good not EVIL thing out of this. In fact, don't we have that example every winter, where everything is' destroyed' leaves torn off by the winds, ground becomes in hospitable to grow food...could we not label that evil, and not to our benefit? BUT It is not so it is a meditation slowing resting period for the land, trees, etc...just as we too, in accord, must rest, stop, meditate, to re new. This is not an evil thing to stop and renew Perhaps I can guide the eyes of you to contemplate, that it is not so bad/evil that a temporal structure is in a period of change(what is it now, is it being firewood, warming? Is someone thankful, for a chair they can make out of it, some work they wouldn't have had -? Perhaps the ever living never dying soul has gone on to whatever nirvana or destiny the plans were for it. So we here, mourn the shift, the change, us creatures of habit. Mourn that we cannot understand the Good Intent that is behind the scenes It is beauty It is good This, is better than what would have been/transpired had it stayed erected. Had they stayed in those temporal bodies/shells. Peace, -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Feb 19, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Oh... so he took his football and went home? Wait, it's Rick's football. Alex Stanley wrote: And, he means it. Just received in my Inbox: Well, boo-hoo. Sal FFL quitter!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
God: *considers request* 'No, I will let the rock crush your head and allow it to break the blood vessels ,releasing your life blood so you come back to me. Being with Me is infinitely better and there is a place with your name on it at the banquet I have prepared . Come back . I have loved you and missed you and I exult in your return. You forgot how beautiful the garden is. Come back for a respite before your next adventure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Philosophical Question Of The Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I like to amuse myself on Saturday mornings by trying to figure out what the Big Issue Of The Week will be here on FFL. This week my guess (not seeing) is whether the fact that the Quintessential Quintet Of Evil (Curtis, Sal, Vaj, do.rflex, and the Evil Barry) have all Ragged On Rory is considered evil enough that someone will feel compelled to rush in to defend him, or whether Rory has to be accused of child molestation before he's considered worthy of her talents. So there, Curtis. I've done my part to throw myself on the grenade for this week. Now I can just sit back and watch the fireworks. Until Tuesday. At the latest. :-) Curtis responds: I do believe he is sincere and not like the cynical carny I described whose language form he shares IMO. If you believe in your own rap then the language form just flows naturally and continuously. When I was teaching TM I could talk for hours about Vedic studies. Once you start it up it runs by itself almost like good songwriting moments. I had decent chats with Rory when he posted here and don't think he is a bad guy. I believe he is a highly imaginative dramatic person who is like a novelist caught up in his own novel. I don't doubt that he has a very compelling inner world of experience that he is describing. Where we differ is what it means. He seems to believe that the intensity and clarity of inner experience confers epistemological value. I do not. giggle
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: God: *considers request* 'No, I will let the rock crush your head and allow it to break the blood vessels ,releasing your life blood so you come back to me. Being with Me is infinitely better and there is a place with your name on it at the banquet I have prepared . Come back . I have loved you and missed you and I exult in your return. You forgot how beautiful the garden is. Come back for a respite before your next adventure. The response: Ouch! Seriously this hurts. So let me get this straight...you are the Lord of the universe and have complete power as well as full knowledge of my suffering. And the best you can do in order to call me home is to send a rock to crush my head? People die in their sleep every day, but no, not your plan for ME, huh? I'm the guy who gets a ROCK ON MY HEAD! Let me give you a little social advice while I bleed out here in excruciating pain...next time you want to invite someone to your little banquet, send a car. It doesn't have to be a limo, but something decent, not a Prius please. Or if you prefer I can take public transportation. But if you want us to arrive with a bottle of Chardonnay from Trader Joe's (or maybe o box of their Belgium chocolates) and a smile on our faces, don't drop a rock on our heads as an invitation to a party. I notice that you are real big on letting others suffer like your own freak'n son for the sake of everyone. How about changing the rules a bit to cut out the excruciating pain part? And while you are at it, you gave some animals the instinct for a merciful kill bite and others the instinct to eat animals alive. How about just making the merciful way the standard? Is that really too much trouble? And if you really need to gets a sadistic thrill you can watch re-runs of Auschwitz from your time machine cable box. Would have been nice if you had thought to drop a beer garden roof on that douche instead of me. And another tip, we like to express love with a hug. A handshake half hug between guys and a full hips locked squeeze if we think each other is hot. Our Aunt with the mustache gets kind of a modified bro hug. But we never express love by dropping rocks on each others heads no matter how great the catered food is at the after party. Thanks for keeping this alive, this is fun! I'm pretty sure I can confidently speak on behalf of the guy with the rock on his head. How can you be confident you know the mind of the big guy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Floating experience
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Alex, are there conservative gays? Yep. For example, the Log Cabinettes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans I've just been reading about a new gay conservative group, GOProud.org. The Log Cabin guys are really moderate Republicans, whereas the GOProud group is more movement conservative--Draft Cheney 2012 conservative. They're small yet, only about 2,000 members, but allegedly growing fast: http://goproud.org/ Two recent pieces in Mother Jones about how the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) is dealing with them: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2009/12/are-gay-conservatives-welcome-cpac http://tinyurl.com/yhrcq6s http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/02/cpac-goes-gay After some resistance, GOProud ended up as one of the co-sponsors of the CPAC meeting that ends today. But here's a surprising development from Salon: CPAC Crowd Boos a Homophobe Off Stage (with video) http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/02/19/cpac_gays/index.html http://tinyurl.com/y86xyv6 No kidding, this is pretty amazing. (I'm not sure whether to be thrilled that these conservatives are resisting homophobia, or depressed that there are gays conservative enough to have become an issue at that meeting.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife Overflow: a new Yahoo! group on the verge of being created
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: snip Does Sparig have Twitter account nowadays? That would be perfect for him. Don't know who would follow him though. ;-) Boy, I would. I've said before that I thought he was the smartest person on FFL. Some of his one- liners were astoundingly trenchant. When he was cooking, he could say more in a dozen words or less than the rest of us could in many paragraphs. The trouble with Twitter, though, is that there's not much in the way of context. Lawson's one-liners were spectacular because they encapsulated so much of the context of the discussions in which they appeared. But I'd love to see what he'd do with his tweets. Not sure how to track him down, though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count -- do the math
Let's see if this analysis of posting frequency holds up under examination. After Barry had made his first post, one (or more) of his pals got to him quickly to let him know the arithmetic he wanted us to let him do for us (because we weren't smart enough to do it ourselves, you see) wasn't quite on the up-and-up. He hastily got out in front of that embarrassing situation, so there's no need for me to go over it again. A narrow escape, that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just in case anyone is incapable of doing the math and realizing what the result would be of getting rid of the posting limits, I'll do the math for you. Ooopsie. :-) Even though it would be fun to see THE CORRECTOR waste five posts correcting my math, I'll do it myself. Actually one would have been more than sufficient. Would've been fun, but there's plenty to correct besides Barry's arithmetic. This week one of the people *for whom the post- ing limits were originally created* got her panties in a bunch over Curtis and managed to make 50 posts in slightly less than 75 hours. Only 10 of them in the brawl with Curtis. Note what Barry doesn't mention--and what Curtis won't tell you either: the brawl erupted because Curtis got *his* panties in a bunch over an 11-word one-liner of mine. He also made 10 posts in that brawl over the same period. That's basically 1.5 posts per hour, average. Really . posts per hour. Assuming that she slept at least 24 of those 75 hours, that's an average of 1 post per waking hour. If she were free to do what she used to do, that means she would be making an estimated 252 posts per week. More like 112 posts per week. Mea culpa. Even this, of course, isn't right. Only if I'd continued posting at the same rate would I have been making 112 posts that week. In the case of the fight with Curtis, as he has noted (to Barry, so Barry is aware of this), Curtis pursued the fight so assiduously because was snowed in over the weekend and had time on his hands; and I usually make most of my posts on the weekend. It's highly unlikely the fight would have continued at the same rate into the rest of the week. Which, interestingly, is pretty much on the money given actual past history. During the month of October 2006 (the pre-posting limits Bad Old Days), FFL's top 3 posters (accounting for almost a third of all posts) were: 1. shempmcgurk -- 541 (11.6%) 2. sparaig -- 533 (11.4%) 3. authfriend -- 482 (10.3%) From Barry's earlier post: I would remind people WHY the posting limits were created in the first place. Three posters -- two still present, one now gone -- were essentially Out Of Control and using their ability to post as much as they wanted to drown out others here. This is just silly. Nobody makes posts to drown out other posters. It's impossible on the face of it, not to mention undesirable (fewer posts to respond to). To the extent other posters were drowned out, we'd be left talking to ourselves. And unlike some other posters here, the three of us don't often initiate threads or spam the group with reams of copy-and-paste material. We're interested in *conversation*. And the numbers themselves squash Barry's drown out theory. Just for example, in October 2006 there was a total of 5,152 posts in the group. If the three of us made 30 percent of them, it means there were around 3,606 posts made by others--so they were hardly drowned out. And my 50 posts from Friday through Monday this past week were out of a total of 410 posts for that period. Again, nobody got drowned out. The number of posts an individual makes has to do with their interest, energy, and time, not with how many posts anybody else makes--except that if others are posting a lot, the individual has more posts to respond to and might well therefore make *more posts than s/he would otherwise*. In other words, it works exactly the opposite from what Barry claims. It was not uncommon for them to make hundreds of posts per week. False (unless Barry is speaking of the three of us collectively). I often made more than 100 posts per week, but never more than 150 or so and usually many fewer. I doubt Shemp or Willytex ever went over 150 a week either. When asked to voluntarily cut down their posting volume, all three categorically refused. False. Barry's been corrected on this before, so he knows it isn't true. So: We can't depend on Barry's arithmetic; we can't depend on his logic; we can't depend on his accuracy in reporting facts. About all that's left for us to depend on is his tendency to demonize his critics at every opportunity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
I just looked at one of his videos. To me he seems more on the path of a Joseph Campbell or Robert Graves -- an attempt to connect together the myths,legends and traditions of the ancient and pre-industrial world -- and less a spewing of new age pulp -- closer to a university comparative literature / mythology course. Ancient traditions and myth, like art -- of all types, can aid and enable us to see the world from different angles, to fire up the imagination and appreciation of the mysteries of life. Who does not marvel in the bliss of mid-May? To better see that others through the ages, in quite different circumstances and lands have celebrated the same -- for me enriches the experience. How authentic and valid are Rory's representations of cross-cultural mythology, I cannot say. But in a universe of vast mystery and where successive layers of science and technology crumble under the weight of new findings, one could do worse than attempting to dust off and revive new/old ways to grok the vast gestalt of life and nature. As to the validity =-- or not -- of ancient visions, I swing between several views. First, a current-age-centric view, we are the best and brightest of the ages with clearer understanding and insights of all things -- standing on the shoulders of giants and all. The alternative view that prevails for me, at times, is that our innate resources and capabilities are the same as the ancients. And while we spend those resources on the passive viewing of the outer spectacles of a technological age life -- wide screen TVs to watch the super bowl and academy awards -- so to speak -- fracturing the universe into smaller and more discrete parts, dancing in the gloss of life. Older traditions spent those same resources on a more active, participatory pursuits of imagination, intuition and inclusiveness. The possibility that they exceeded our modest accomplishments in that realm are not hard to fathom. Delving into myths of many traditions, seeing the connectivity of them, at a minimum, shakes your mind and rattles your soul. Not a bad way to spend a few minutes a week on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: No one said it any better than you just did, Curtis. Rory's unintelligible gibberish is a crock pot of mumbling, sputtering, as if Buckminster Fuller's dry but highly technical descriptions of a geodesic dome merged with a Urantia book writer's imagination. Excellent description. I would like to add to what I wrote that I do believe he is sincere and not like the cynical carny I described whose language form he shares IMO. If you believe in your own rap then the language form just flows naturally and continuously. When I was teaching TM I could talk for hours about Vedic studies. Once you start it up it runs by itself almost like good songwriting moments. I had decent chats with Rory when he posted here and don't think he is a bad guy. I believe he is a highly imaginative dramatic person who is like a novelist caught up in his own novel. I don't doubt that he has a very compelling inner world of experience that he is describing. Where we differ is what it means. He seems to believe that the intensity and clarity of inner experience confers epistemological value. I do not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: You can see him sooner than that even-- He started his own Facebook group, the Rorian Mystery School. :) http://bit.ly/aNzsLg Thanks for posting this. I just can't figure this out. It's as though Rory could go on hour after hour with this stuff. What I wonder is, would he give the same talk tomorrow as he gave today, if he were extrapolating on the same subject. He is running a language form. The content doesn't matter. You can riff in this form endlessly whether you are discussing enlightenment or someone's dead relative speaking from beyond the grave. It is related to carnivals style cold reading language. Like Maharishi, there is not end to number of hours that can be filled with this form. Like those programs Web designers use to fill text boxes that look like text but are actually randomly generated word like gibberish. It is easier when you are discussing abstract topics than when giving someone a psychic reading but the formula is similar. Me with spooky deep eyes: The transversing planets within the universe of our own Self (reflected in the microcosmic self as personality rays) display the dynamics of tension arising from the opposing forces of the creative process within
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife Overflow: a new Yahoo! group on the verge of being created
Don't know who would follow him though. ;-) Judy: Boy, I would. I've said before that I thought he was the smartest person on FFL. Some of his one- liners were astoundingly trenchant. When he was cooking, he could say more in a dozen words or less than the rest of us could in many paragraphs. Cogent is the way I'd describe his posts. Apparently Lawson's posts were very frightening to Turq! Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
Interestingly, this very issue (Would a loving, just God drop a building on people in the process of worshiping him?) is at the heart of one of the great heresy persecutions in European history. The Cathars were Dualists. And they were gaining converts hand over fist, at far greater conversion rates than the Catholic Church, and in fact steal- ing away many of its followers, both noble- and base-born. And why? The Catholic Church preached that when bad things happen to supposedly good people, it is in fact God who is doing the building-dropping. Dualists such as the Cathars believed that God never entered the picture (or even the physical relative world), and that everything that happened there was the doing of the Other Guy, the Demiurge. Remember, this was the early Middle Ages, and life was not exactly a bowl of mango-flavored tofu. If you were the average guy -- noble or base-born -- you were lucky to see 50 yourself and only one or two of your seven kids would ever see 20. Suffering was kinda the staple of the 11 O'Clock News. So it was easier (philosophically) to believe that God was oh-so-far away and never messed with the relative, and that all this dropping buildings on worshipers stuff happened because of the Other Guy. The Catholics were not amused by this. They created two Crusades and the Inquisition, and killed a quarter million of these heretics. And all because they had found a creative philosophical way to avoid pinning the rap for suffering on God. Go figure. You'd think God freaks would *welcome* being able to blame suffering on someone or something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: God: *considers request* 'No, I will let the rock crush your head and allow it to break the blood vessels ,releasing your life blood so you come back to me. Being with Me is infinitely better and there is a place with your name on it at the banquet I have prepared . Come back . I have loved you and missed you and I exult in your return. You forgot how beautiful the garden is. Come back for a respite before your next adventure. The response: Ouch! Seriously this hurts. So let me get this straight...you are the Lord of the universe and have complete power as well as full knowledge of my suffering. And the best you can do in order to call me home is to send a rock to crush my head? People die in their sleep every day, but no, not your plan for ME, huh? I'm the guy who gets a ROCK ON MY HEAD! Let me give you a little social advice while I bleed out here in excruciating pain...next time you want to invite someone to your little banquet, send a car. It doesn't have to be a limo, but something decent, not a Prius please. Or if you prefer I can take public transportation. But if you want us to arrive with a bottle of Chardonnay from Trader Joe's (or maybe o box of their Belgium chocolates) and a smile on our faces, don't drop a rock on our heads as an invitation to a party. I notice that you are real big on letting others suffer like your own freak'n son for the sake of everyone. How about changing the rules a bit to cut out the excruciating pain part? And while you are at it, you gave some animals the instinct for a merciful kill bite and others the instinct to eat animals alive. How about just making the merciful way the standard? Is that really too much trouble? And if you really need to gets a sadistic thrill you can watch re-runs of Auschwitz from your time machine cable box. Would have been nice if you had thought to drop a beer garden roof on that douche instead of me. And another tip, we like to express love with a hug. A handshake half hug between guys and a full hips locked squeeze if we think each other is hot. Our Aunt with the mustache gets kind of a modified bro hug. But we never express love by dropping rocks on each others heads no matter how great the catered food is at the after party. Thanks for keeping this alive, this is fun! I'm pretty sure I can confidently speak on behalf of the guy with the rock on his head. How can you be confident you know the mind of the big guy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
the sheep hear His voice;and he calls His own sheep by name and leads them out. .I am the good shepherd;and I know my sheep,and am known by my own. Hear ye not?(my words) I hear voices in the wind voices from the cardamom at Everybody's. voices from hearts of those close and far away from me I hear God I hear angels I hear fallen angels I hear Beings that are alive i hear the wispy grass crying it wishes to softly rub against your arm, and hug you if you would just get close enough at the reservoir I hear the elderberry tree at the entrance to the trail saying, eat my fruit, it will give you life, that is why i am here... I hear the cries of the rosebuds fallen on the ground wishing they could help beings by being ingested and not to always be amending the soil by decomposing there. I hear Nature 's voice lamenting the land being set aside to not be destroyed is only a unfulfilled present.Intent is for it to not be destroyed, AND SHARED The plants/trees were made for medicinal /nourishing intent. I hear them kissing as walkers rush on by to get their lymph nodes working. Missing the comfort of the rejuvenating effects of flowers/leaves/trees. There is so much beauty in the world see hear receive -peace -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
God: it's not so bad Your life is but a vapor the rock was a miniscule time in that respect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: the sheep hear His voice;and he calls His own sheep by name and leads them out. .I am the good shepherd;and I know my sheep,and am known by my own. Got it. Since I didn't get the memo no figgy pudding for me. But in my own defense I was in the back of the crowd so I thought Jesus said Many are cold but few are frozen. Hear ye not?(my words) I hear voices in the wind voices from the cardamom at Everybody's. voices from hearts of those close and far away from me I hear God I hear angels I hear fallen angels I hear Beings that are alive i hear the wispy grass crying it wishes to softly rub against your arm, and hug you if you would just get close enough at the reservoir I hear the elderberry tree at the entrance to the trail saying, eat my fruit, it will give you life, that is why i am here... I hear the cries of the rosebuds fallen on the ground wishing they could help beings by being ingested and not to always be amending the soil by decomposing there. I hear Nature 's voice lamenting the land being set aside to not be destroyed is only a unfulfilled present.Intent is for it to not be destroyed, AND SHARED The plants/trees were made for medicinal /nourishing intent. I hear them kissing as walkers rush on by to get their lymph nodes working. Missing the comfort of the rejuvenating effects of flowers/leaves/trees. There is so much beauty in the world see hear receive -peace -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
What's that movie, oh yeah... Bruce Almighty y all take a look at that if ya have a grudge against the way God allows/does not allow things really now Watch the thing (AGAIN, if need be) and holler back.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
God did not actually do the cranial cracking with his hand He allowed it in the spectrum of the greatest good There is no evil Keeping everything the same is not always in the best interest of us. Embrace change. it's just change. Believe. Believe it is the best and beauty Just look LOOK for it You WILL find it HAARP wasn't an act of God either. Pray for peace -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
God: You were warned I never wanted this to happen it was not My intent I wished for us to walk in the cool of the day forever. It was perfect. Your choice divided Us. I fixed it though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: the sheep hear His voice;and he calls His own sheep by name and leads them out. .I am the good shepherd;and I know my sheep,and am known by my own. Spoken like a true city-dweller, and one who has never seen what actually *happens* to a sheep when its good shepherd leads it out and away from the rest of the herd. Can you say, Mutton? I think you can. :-) Thanks for being a good enough sport to play along with this, Meow. In the above I am not making fun of you per se but of a belief system I find funny. It might be a true belief system for all I know, but I still find it funny. My feeling is that a belief system that teaches that when the good shepherd offers to give you a lift it's always *your* interests he's looking after is suspect. [http://kcdcsports.com/sheep_transported_on_motorcycle.gif]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: Okay I play debbil's advocate Me too! I've got a message from one of the people in the mosque: Please get this rock off my head. No really, I mean it. I need someone to help me get this rock off my head. I'm dying here and want to stay in my temporal body/shell. But without...you know... the rock on my HEAD. And the rock is praying, Get this friggen head out from under me!! -What if there is no evil? What is it is all good? Can you imagine it being so? Its not possible. While I may be falling off the cliff of triteness, if its ALL good, there is no way you would know that. It would just be Its all of what it is, endlessly the same You are suggesting an Absolute. If there is no contrast, Good is no longer Good. An alternative view to your statement: what if there is no Good or Evil? Without getting all johnLennonish on you, what if Good and Evil do not exist in nature -- but are simply overlays we attached to things. Is the falling rock Good, Evil or An Event? (and did the rock fall or did the earth suddenly heave and sucked it up into itself?) Implosions happen in Vegas quite regularly, thru intent of destruction, OR thru intent of building a NEW thing. If this is an analogy that implies that Nature has an Intent, what if that is also only an overlay, our own inner graffeeti with which we tag the world. Like your Good and Evil. In an Intentless Universe, with no Time's Arrow pointed towards Better and Good, what is there (other than less to cling to)? I see, I experience nature swallowing up its past, vomiting the future. (as you gasp at my grossness, why is vomit Bad?) In my life .. I have seen that one thing leads to another. Things seem to swing from one side to the other (extreme at times). Some of the Worst things turned out to be Good things (which I think is your point .) However, if we scrub off the inner graffeeti from the walls of what we see, then perhaps its just A turned into B an B into C. Which in itself is pretty gargantuanly amazing. No Active God directing things, No Intent, No tagging our perceptions with filters like Good and Bad. Just everything morphing into everything else, and into mind-boggling diversity and richness. Who needs to add a God, or Goodness, to make this picture complete and breathtaking? Perhaps there is a good plan of growing a good not EVIL thing out of this. In fact, don't we have that example every winter, where everything is' destroyed' leaves torn off by the winds, ground becomes in hospitable to grow food...could we not label that evil, and not to our benefit? BUT It is not so it is a meditation slowing resting period for the land, trees, etc...just as we too, in accord, must rest, stop, meditate, to re new. This is not an evil thing to stop and renew Perhaps I can guide the eyes of you to contemplate, that it is not so bad/evil that a temporal structure is in a period of change(what is it now, is it being firewood, warming? Is someone thankful, for a chair they can make out of it, some work they wouldn't have had -? Perhaps the ever living never dying soul has gone on to whatever nirvana or destiny the plans were for it. So we here, mourn the shift, the change, us creatures of habit. Mourn that we cannot understand the Good Intent that is behind the scenes It is beauty It is good This, is better than what would have been/transpired had it stayed erected. Had they stayed in those temporal bodies/shells. Peace, -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
You are hearing now. ...by the way, you're rich, I'm enjoying this immensely *hands cup of hot cacao+chili+organic brown sugar+cinnamon+smidge of ginger +pinch of grated nutmeg+organic milk(almond milk or soy for vegans) to warm you and in the spirit of give more than you receive Munay -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: the sheep hear His voice;and he calls His own sheep by name and leads them out. .I am the good shepherd;and I know my sheep,and am known by my own. Got it. Since I didn't get the memo no figgy pudding for me. But in my own defense I was in the back of the crowd so I thought Jesus said Many are cold but few are frozen. Which given 2000 years of playing the chain game of whispering into the ear of the person next to you, your quote may be more accurate than the gospel. Distorted memory, linguistic tructation and ramming round words thru square translative holes, ever changing contextual interpretations based on the structure of the ever new current life/ society in each generation, exploitation of the innocent, manipulation for political and financial gain, Jesus! I am guessing what you said is not on the pages of my Bible! Hear ye not?(my words) I hear voices in the wind voices from the cardamom at Everybody's. voices from hearts of those close and far away from me I hear God I hear angels I hear fallen angels I hear Beings that are alive i hear the wispy grass crying it wishes to softly rub against your arm, and hug you if you would just get close enough at the reservoir I hear the elderberry tree at the entrance to the trail saying, eat my fruit, it will give you life, that is why i am here... I hear the cries of the rosebuds fallen on the ground wishing they could help beings by being ingested and not to always be amending the soil by decomposing there. I hear Nature 's voice lamenting the land being set aside to not be destroyed is only a unfulfilled present.Intent is for it to not be destroyed, AND SHARED The plants/trees were made for medicinal /nourishing intent. I hear them kissing as walkers rush on by to get their lymph nodes working. Missing the comfort of the rejuvenating effects of flowers/leaves/trees. There is so much beauty in the world see hear receive -peace -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count -- do the math
The 50 post / week limit has the potential to improve post quality and thereby maximize the utilization of one's attention. I far prefer seeing your name attached to 1 of 8 posts - 50 out of 412 of last week's total FFL posts; as opposed to seeing your name attached to only 1 of 10+ posts - 482 out of 5,152 of Oct., '06's total FFL posts, the last month FFL went without posting limits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Let's see if this analysis of posting frequency holds up under examination. After Barry had made his first post, one (or more) of his pals got to him quickly to let him know the arithmetic he wanted us to let him do for us (because we weren't smart enough to do it ourselves, you see) wasn't quite on the up-and-up. He hastily got out in front of that embarrassing situation, so there's no need for me to go over it again. A narrow escape, that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just in case anyone is incapable of doing the math and realizing what the result would be of getting rid of the posting limits, I'll do the math for you. Ooopsie. :-) Even though it would be fun to see THE CORRECTOR waste five posts correcting my math, I'll do it myself. Actually one would have been more than sufficient. Would've been fun, but there's plenty to correct besides Barry's arithmetic. This week one of the people *for whom the post- ing limits were originally created* got her panties in a bunch over Curtis and managed to make 50 posts in slightly less than 75 hours. Only 10 of them in the brawl with Curtis. Note what Barry doesn't mention--and what Curtis won't tell you either: the brawl erupted because Curtis got *his* panties in a bunch over an 11-word one-liner of mine. He also made 10 posts in that brawl over the same period. That's basically 1.5 posts per hour, average. Really . posts per hour. Assuming that she slept at least 24 of those 75 hours, that's an average of 1 post per waking hour. If she were free to do what she used to do, that means she would be making an estimated 252 posts per week. More like 112 posts per week. Mea culpa. Even this, of course, isn't right. Only if I'd continued posting at the same rate would I have been making 112 posts that week. In the case of the fight with Curtis, as he has noted (to Barry, so Barry is aware of this), Curtis pursued the fight so assiduously because was snowed in over the weekend and had time on his hands; and I usually make most of my posts on the weekend. It's highly unlikely the fight would have continued at the same rate into the rest of the week. Which, interestingly, is pretty much on the money given actual past history. During the month of October 2006 (the pre-posting limits Bad Old Days), FFL's top 3 posters (accounting for almost a third of all posts) were: 1. shempmcgurk -- 541 (11.6%) 2. sparaig -- 533 (11.4%) 3. authfriend -- 482 (10.3%) From Barry's earlier post: I would remind people WHY the posting limits were created in the first place. Three posters -- two still present, one now gone -- were essentially Out Of Control and using their ability to post as much as they wanted to drown out others here. This is just silly. Nobody makes posts to drown out other posters. It's impossible on the face of it, not to mention undesirable (fewer posts to respond to). To the extent other posters were drowned out, we'd be left talking to ourselves. And unlike some other posters here, the three of us don't often initiate threads or spam the group with reams of copy-and-paste material. We're interested in *conversation*. And the numbers themselves squash Barry's drown out theory. Just for example, in October 2006 there was a total of 5,152 posts in the group. If the three of us made 30 percent of them, it means there were around 3,606 posts made by others--so they were hardly drowned out. And my 50 posts from Friday through Monday this past week were out of a total of 410 posts for that period. Again, nobody got drowned out. The number of posts an individual makes has to do with their interest, energy, and time, not with how many posts anybody else makes--except that if others are posting a lot, the individual has more posts to respond to and might well therefore make *more posts than s/he would otherwise*. In other words, it works exactly the opposite from what Barry claims. It was not uncommon for them to make hundreds of posts per week. False (unless Barry is speaking of the three of us collectively). I often made more than 100 posts per week, but never more than 150 or so and usually many fewer. I doubt Shemp or Willytex ever went over 150 a week either. When asked to voluntarily
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: Which given 2000 years of playing the chain game of whispering into the ear of the person next to you, your quote may be more accurate than the gospel. Distorted memory, linguistic tructation and ramming round words thru square translative holes, ever changing contextual interpretations based on the structure of the ever new current life/ society in each generation, exploitation of the innocent, manipulation for political and financial gain, Jesus! I am guessing what you said is not on the pages of my Bible! Tip of the hat to the Life of Brian. Like today Jesus had many competitors for the crown of No really I've God on the line right now and he wants the corn beef on white bread, NOT rye and hold the mustard. It was a fairly random sequence of events that has us quoting him at all. The right mix of passivity rather than revolution towards the oppressors is my guess. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: the sheep hear His voice;and he calls His own sheep by name and leads them out. .I am the good shepherd;and I know my sheep,and am known by my own. Got it. Since I didn't get the memo no figgy pudding for me. But in my own defense I was in the back of the crowd so I thought Jesus said Many are cold but few are frozen. Which given 2000 years of playing the chain game of whispering into the ear of the person next to you, your quote may be more accurate than the gospel. Distorted memory, linguistic tructation and ramming round words thru square translative holes, ever changing contextual interpretations based on the structure of the ever new current life/ society in each generation, exploitation of the innocent, manipulation for political and financial gain, Jesus! I am guessing what you said is not on the pages of my Bible! Hear ye not?(my words) I hear voices in the wind voices from the cardamom at Everybody's. voices from hearts of those close and far away from me I hear God I hear angels I hear fallen angels I hear Beings that are alive i hear the wispy grass crying it wishes to softly rub against your arm, and hug you if you would just get close enough at the reservoir I hear the elderberry tree at the entrance to the trail saying, eat my fruit, it will give you life, that is why i am here... I hear the cries of the rosebuds fallen on the ground wishing they could help beings by being ingested and not to always be amending the soil by decomposing there. I hear Nature 's voice lamenting the land being set aside to not be destroyed is only a unfulfilled present.Intent is for it to not be destroyed, AND SHARED The plants/trees were made for medicinal /nourishing intent. I hear them kissing as walkers rush on by to get their lymph nodes working. Missing the comfort of the rejuvenating effects of flowers/leaves/trees. There is so much beauty in the world see hear receive -peace -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
Great post. Nothing to say about it other than that it's a great post and to thank you and all the people who have contributed to the thread. I mean, it *IS* an interesting event. A minaret in Morocco falls on people who are on their knees worshiping the deity it was erected to honor. So is the deity good or bad as a result of drop- ping the minaret on the faithful? *Forget* the which deity thang. That's just an easy out, and lazy. What if it were a Hindu temple that had fallen and smushed the faithful? What if it had been the Crystal Cathedral or the Vatican? It's God's Fuckin' House, and if you believe that He controls everything, He caused it to go boom. It's a far *easier* path to believe as I do in No God And No Need For One than it is to believe in an all-seeing, all-powerful, architect-of-every- shitty-thing-that-has-ever-happened-to-any- sentient-being God. The former, as you express so well, merely implies a trust in change, and the eternal unpredictability of change. The latter implies a Grand Plan behind it all, one that involves dropping buildings on the very people who worship the Author of the Grand Plan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: Okay I play debbil's advocate Me too! I've got a message from one of the people in the mosque: Please get this rock off my head. No really, I mean it. I need someone to help me get this rock off my head. I'm dying here and want to stay in my temporal body/shell. But without...you know... the rock on my HEAD. And the rock is praying, Get this friggen head out from under me!! -What if there is no evil? What is it is all good? Can you imagine it being so? Its not possible. While I may be falling off the cliff of triteness, if its ALL good, there is no way you would know that. It would just be Its all of what it is, endlessly the same You are suggesting an Absolute. If there is no contrast, Good is no longer Good. An alternative view to your statement: what if there is no Good or Evil? Without getting all johnLennonish on you, what if Good and Evil do not exist in nature -- but are simply overlays we attached to things. Is the falling rock Good, Evil or An Event? (and did the rock fall or did the earth suddenly heave and sucked it up into itself?) Implosions happen in Vegas quite regularly, thru intent of destruction, OR thru intent of building a NEW thing. If this is an analogy that implies that Nature has an Intent, what if that is also only an overlay, our own inner graffeeti with which we tag the world. Like your Good and Evil. In an Intentless Universe, with no Time's Arrow pointed towards Better and Good, what is there (other than less to cling to)? I see, I experience nature swallowing up its past, vomiting the future. (as you gasp at my grossness, why is vomit Bad?) In my life .. I have seen that one thing leads to another. Things seem to swing from one side to the other (extreme at times). Some of the Worst things turned out to be Good things (which I think is your point .) However, if we scrub off the inner graffeeti from the walls of what we see, then perhaps its just A turned into B an B into C. Which in itself is pretty gargantuanly amazing. No Active God directing things, No Intent, No tagging our perceptions with filters like Good and Bad. Just everything morphing into everything else, and into mind-boggling diversity and richness. Who needs to add a God, or Goodness, to make this picture complete and breathtaking? Perhaps there is a good plan of growing a good not EVIL thing out of this. In fact, don't we have that example every winter, where everything is' destroyed' leaves torn off by the winds, ground becomes in hospitable to grow food...could we not label that evil, and not to our benefit? BUT It is not so it is a meditation slowing resting period for the land, trees, etc...just as we too, in accord, must rest, stop, meditate, to re new. This is not an evil thing to stop and renew Perhaps I can guide the eyes of you to contemplate, that it is not so bad/evil that a temporal structure is in a period of change(what is it now, is it being firewood, warming? Is someone thankful, for a chair they can make out of it, some work they wouldn't have had -? Perhaps the ever living never dying soul has gone on to whatever nirvana or destiny the plans were for it. So we here, mourn the shift, the change, us creatures of habit. Mourn that we cannot understand the Good Intent that is behind the scenes It is beauty It is good This, is better than what would have been/transpired had it stayed erected. Had they stayed in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: God did not actually do the cranial cracking with his hand He allowed it Funny how this didn't fly at Kindercare when the little monster takes a header off the Jungle Jim and the teacher has to present him with a fat lip to his parents. Turns out that the person who knows better IS responsible for more than allowing freedom. In Hume's terms in his Dialogue on Natural Religion,you are dropping off the Good part of the tri-part definition of Go:, Omniscient, Omnipotent and Good to explain what we experience in the world. So now we have a God without the common sense, or the moral compass to lend a hand to alleviate suffering. For starters he could have laid out his heaviest rap to us in the age of mass media, you know put up a freak'n Webpage in every language. If Pepsi can own their own message so could he/she/it/tentacled monster. in the spectrum of the greatest good There is no evil Would it surprise you to know that this is almost a direct quote from Charles Manson? There is no spectrum of good so broad that it excuses the unnecessary suffering of living creatures IMO. And while the devil is in the details, how we define necessary, most cultures have decided on some limits. So for me there can be evil and not giving a kill bite instinct to all animals if you had the power is at the top of my list. However as an evolutionary priority that overlooks my sensibility without a God, I understand how it happened. Keeping everything the same is not always in the best interest of us. Embrace change. it's just change. You mean the change from believing in one version of the God idea to the freedom of non belief, right? I'm down with that change. Believe. Believe it is the best and beauty Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Just look LOOK for it You WILL find it HAARP wasn't an act of God either. Pray for peace Well we know that nothing fails like prayer. Just ask anyone who went down in a fireball plane crash and was praying their ass off all the way down. But with the unlimited naivete of our species that makes us so charming, I hope for peace too. -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: Which given 2000 years of playing the chain game of whispering into the ear of the person next to you, your quote may be more accurate than the gospel. Distorted memory, linguistic tructation and ramming round words thru square translative holes, ever changing contextual interpretations based on the structure of the ever new current life/ society in each generation, exploitation of the innocent, manipulation for political and financial gain, Jesus! I am guessing what you said is not on the pages of my Bible! Tip of the hat to the Life of Brian. Like today Jesus had many competitors for the crown of No really I've God on the line right now and he wants the corn beef on white bread, NOT rye and hold the mustard. It was a fairly random sequence of events that has us quoting him at all. The right mix of passivity rather than revolution towards the oppressors is my guess. Its fascinating (well at least to dweebs like me) to consider how a religion survives -- on top of 100 other sects that have emerged (a la the scenese on LoBrian). It's won 100 or more consecutive flips of the coin. like Constatine's mother being attracted to the christian sect was perhaps a lucky toss. Coin flipping, while totally random, does produce some long terms winners. Have a billion monkeys flip a 100 billion coins successively and some will be on a roll! You know, an incredibly bright, skillful monkey who got 20 heads in a row! Wow, that monkey must have the Truth. Statistically you can show similar for successful investors. Someone small set of all investors will have 20/20 heads -- or even 18/20. The investors, or coin flipper, or cult leader may have a good rap. And if they are the 1 out of x billion that have 20 heads in a row, the rap will sound SO GOOD, so convincing. I mean he is a freaking billionare -- or the religion has stood the test of time -- when it all could just be randomness. More carnival rides for our amusement. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: the sheep hear His voice;and he calls His own sheep by name and leads them out. .I am the good shepherd;and I know my sheep,and am known by my own. Got it. Since I didn't get the memo no figgy pudding for me. But in my own defense I was in the back of the crowd so I thought Jesus said Many are cold but few are frozen. Which given 2000 years of playing the chain game of whispering into the ear of the person next to you, your quote may be more accurate than the gospel. Distorted memory, linguistic tructation and ramming round words thru square translative holes, ever changing contextual interpretations based on the structure of the ever new current life/ society in each generation, exploitation of the innocent, manipulation for political and financial gain, Jesus! I am guessing what you said is not on the pages of my Bible! Hear ye not?(my words) I hear voices in the wind voices from the cardamom at Everybody's. voices from hearts of those close and far away from me I hear God I hear angels I hear fallen angels I hear Beings that are alive i hear the wispy grass crying it wishes to softly rub against your arm, and hug you if you would just get close enough at the reservoir I hear the elderberry tree at the entrance to the trail saying, eat my fruit, it will give you life, that is why i am here... I hear the cries of the rosebuds fallen on the ground wishing they could help beings by being ingested and not to always be amending the soil by decomposing there. I hear Nature 's voice lamenting the land being set aside to not be destroyed is only a unfulfilled present.Intent is for it to not be destroyed, AND SHARED The plants/trees were made for medicinal /nourishing intent. I hear them kissing as walkers rush on by to get their lymph nodes working. Missing the comfort of the rejuvenating effects of flowers/leaves/trees. There is so much beauty in the world see hear receive -peace -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count -- do the math
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: The 50 post / week limit has the potential to improve post quality and thereby maximize the utilization of one's attention. I disagree, but that isn't what I was discussing. I was simply pointing out that Barry's notion of prolific posters trying to drown out other posters was nonsense (among several other nitwit things he said). I far prefer seeing your name attached to 1 of 8 posts - 50 out of 412 of last week's total FFL posts; as opposed to seeing your name attached to only 1 of 10+ posts - 482 out of 5,152 of Oct., '06's total FFL posts, the last month FFL went without posting limits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Let's see if this analysis of posting frequency holds up under examination. After Barry had made his first post, one (or more) of his pals got to him quickly to let him know the arithmetic he wanted us to let him do for us (because we weren't smart enough to do it ourselves, you see) wasn't quite on the up-and-up. He hastily got out in front of that embarrassing situation, so there's no need for me to go over it again. A narrow escape, that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just in case anyone is incapable of doing the math and realizing what the result would be of getting rid of the posting limits, I'll do the math for you. Ooopsie. :-) Even though it would be fun to see THE CORRECTOR waste five posts correcting my math, I'll do it myself. Actually one would have been more than sufficient. Would've been fun, but there's plenty to correct besides Barry's arithmetic. This week one of the people *for whom the post- ing limits were originally created* got her panties in a bunch over Curtis and managed to make 50 posts in slightly less than 75 hours. Only 10 of them in the brawl with Curtis. Note what Barry doesn't mention--and what Curtis won't tell you either: the brawl erupted because Curtis got *his* panties in a bunch over an 11-word one-liner of mine. He also made 10 posts in that brawl over the same period. That's basically 1.5 posts per hour, average. Really . posts per hour. Assuming that she slept at least 24 of those 75 hours, that's an average of 1 post per waking hour. If she were free to do what she used to do, that means she would be making an estimated 252 posts per week. More like 112 posts per week. Mea culpa. Even this, of course, isn't right. Only if I'd continued posting at the same rate would I have been making 112 posts that week. In the case of the fight with Curtis, as he has noted (to Barry, so Barry is aware of this), Curtis pursued the fight so assiduously because was snowed in over the weekend and had time on his hands; and I usually make most of my posts on the weekend. It's highly unlikely the fight would have continued at the same rate into the rest of the week. Which, interestingly, is pretty much on the money given actual past history. During the month of October 2006 (the pre-posting limits Bad Old Days), FFL's top 3 posters (accounting for almost a third of all posts) were: 1. shempmcgurk -- 541 (11.6%) 2. sparaig -- 533 (11.4%) 3. authfriend -- 482 (10.3%) From Barry's earlier post: I would remind people WHY the posting limits were created in the first place. Three posters -- two still present, one now gone -- were essentially Out Of Control and using their ability to post as much as they wanted to drown out others here. This is just silly. Nobody makes posts to drown out other posters. It's impossible on the face of it, not to mention undesirable (fewer posts to respond to). To the extent other posters were drowned out, we'd be left talking to ourselves. And unlike some other posters here, the three of us don't often initiate threads or spam the group with reams of copy-and-paste material. We're interested in *conversation*. And the numbers themselves squash Barry's drown out theory. Just for example, in October 2006 there was a total of 5,152 posts in the group. If the three of us made 30 percent of them, it means there were around 3,606 posts made by others--so they were hardly drowned out. And my 50 posts from Friday through Monday this past week were out of a total of 410 posts for that period. Again, nobody got drowned out. The number of posts an individual makes has to do with their interest, energy, and time, not with how many posts anybody else makes--except that if others are posting a lot, the individual has more posts to respond to and might well therefore make *more posts than s/he would
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I mean, it *IS* an interesting event. A minaret in Morocco falls on people who are on their knees worshiping the deity it was erected to honor. So is the deity good or bad as a result of drop- ping the minaret on the faithful? Puts me in mind of Randy Newman's wonderful God's Song (That's Why I Love Mankind) especially the line You all must be crazy to put your faith in me That's why I love mankind: Cain slew Abel, Seth knew not why For if the children of Israel were to multiply Why must any of the children die? So he asked the Lord And the Lord said: Man means nothing, he means less to me Than the lowliest cactus flower Or the humblest Yucca tree He chases round this desert 'Cause he thinks that's where I'll be That's why I love mankind I recoil in horror from the foulness of thee From the squalor and the filth and the misery How we laugh up here in heaven at the prayers you offer me That's why I love mankind The Christians and the Jews were having a jamboree The Buddhists and the Hindus joined on satellite TV They picked their four greatest priests And they began to speak They said, Lord, a plague is on the world Lord, no man is free The temples that we built to you Have tumbled into the sea Lord, if you won't take care of us Won't you please, please let us be? And the Lord said And the Lord said I burn down your cities-how blind you must be I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we You all must be crazy to put your faith in me That's why I love mankind You really need me That's why I love mankind
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: the sheep hear His voice;and he calls His own sheep by name and leads them out. .I am the good shepherd;and I know my sheep,and am known by my own. Spoken like a true city-dweller, and one who has never seen what actually *happens* to a sheep when its good shepherd leads it out and away from the rest of the herd. Can you say, Mutton? I think you can. :-) Spoken like a true non-Bible reader. Jesus isn't talking about leading out a single sheep away from the flock (not herd!), but rather calling the whole flock and leading them all out of the sheepfold to graze in the field. He goes on to say that if a stranger comes along and calls to the sheep in the fold, they won't come out and follow the stranger because they don't know the stranger's voice. See John 10:1-16. Yours truly, --THE CORRECTOR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I mean, it *IS* an interesting event. A minaret in Morocco falls on people who are on their knees worshiping the deity it was erected to honor. So is the deity good or bad as a result of drop- ping the minaret on the faithful? Puts me in mind of Randy Newman's wonderful God's Song (That's Why I Love Mankind) especially the line You all must be crazy to put your faith in me That's why I love mankind: Cain slew Abel, Seth knew not why For if the children of Israel were to multiply Why must any of the children die? So he asked the Lord And the Lord said: Man means nothing, he means less to me Than the lowliest cactus flower Or the humblest Yucca tree He chases round this desert 'Cause he thinks that's where I'll be That's why I love mankind I recoil in horror from the foulness of thee From the squalor and the filth and the misery How we laugh up here in heaven at the prayers you offer me That's why I love mankind The Christians and the Jews were having a jamboree The Buddhists and the Hindus joined on satellite TV They picked their four greatest priests And they began to speak They said, Lord, a plague is on the world Lord, no man is free The temples that we built to you Have tumbled into the sea Lord, if you won't take care of us Won't you please, please let us be? And the Lord said And the Lord said I burn down your cities-how blind you must be I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we You all must be crazy to put your faith in me That's why I love mankind You really need me That's why I love mankind While I not only applaud but bow deeply to your sequitur, it just isn't quite right without Randy's own musical/comic timing. Here you can see it en force majeure, in a live performance with the Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra (not heard, and not missed). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKuGcmW70I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dust my Blues!
Ok, I propose that any time there is an apology or anything resembling an apology on FFL there should be some kind of audio accompaniment. Like a trumpet sounding or something like pinball machine noises. And then maybe there should be an extra ten posts for everyone for the week, and some virtual self congratulating. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: That's why, in hindsight, I see that it was wrong to utter derogatory words about the blues of curtis; if it sings in your mind and heart that is certainly all that matters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM/Vedic City Wikipedia posters face Arbitration Committee
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip It's impossible for the casual reader to sort out the truth of the various charges and countercharges. It's a huge, huge mess. Everyone gets to have their say, but that doesn't exactly make for clarity and efficiency in settling the dispute. In some cases the policies in question are unclear and will need to be refined so everyone knows what's a violation and what isn't. The image of guilty TMers lined up before the bar to be sentenced and punished for wrongdoing is egregiously false. How do you know? Surely better to wait for a judgement. I was referring to Vaj's statement framing it as if it were a fait accompli (when he knows it isn't). BTW, awhile back Vaj accused me here of being one of the TMers who had supposedly taken over the editing process. For the record, I have never been involved in editing any of Wikipedia's TM-related articles, directly or indirectly. (Nor did the TMers who were ever take over the process.) I wouldn't like to have to wade through it all but I looked at a few and it seems fair enough, Some of it is, some of it isn't, from what I've read. for instance, to call John Hagelin a crackpot as it's a quote from a book about QP. TMers will object of course but this is just an article about his published physics, can't imagine what independent editors would make of some of the stuff that gets broadcast on the Marshy channel. Selective editing is no good at all here. Let's face it, if you were publishing an encyclopedia who would you get to edit it? The people who passionately believe and make a living from what they write about? Maybe, but you'd have it independently checked and then some. Absolutely. Part of the problem is that the TMers are simply better informed than the non-TMers, including the non-TMers who are relatively objective. It's virtually impossible to be well informed about some elements of the TM story unless one has been involved. But if one is still involved, one's objectivity is in question; same with those who were once involved and no longer are, since they're likely to take a negative viewpoint. In other words, if all you had were independent editors, i.e., folks who had never been involved with TM, you'd need to have the article checked by TMers, current and former, who knew what they were talking about; and then disputes between them would have to be settled (which is, in fact, what's going on now). I'm sure you've read articles on TM in the newspapers or magazines or seen segments on TV in which the reporters got stuff factually wrong. And they're paid to get it right! Just as a for-instance, there's a sentence in the article now that refers, without qualification, to the TM-Sidhis including the ability to become invisible and walk through walls. As it happens, these were taught very early on in the TM-Sidhis program but haven't been for a long time. You'd only know this if you were an insider. It's going to be interesting how this one turns out. Yup. It's a shame the format of all the various discussions makes it so complicated and difficult to follow (and thus easy to distort, if that's one's inclination).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!(O I VEI!)
Oi vei- I don't know what god that is but it is NOT Jehovah http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=Lai=CGw2AmjeAS_-CMYaalQfMg8XPDbvJ1MYBgbviyw_58smeJxABIPv-gQMoBVD0g_je-f8BYMm-z4zcpPQXyAEBqgQcT9A8jmMvRWv6w7OUBv2SJXeJOLw7h_pdVHvO4Anum=1sig=AGiWqtz2XRJKTZlYXkesIEyRCKhgQLq2WQq=http://www.amazon.com/s/%3Fie%3DUTF8%26keywords%3Djet%2B10-20%26tag%3Dgooghydr-20%26index%3Daps%26hvadid%3D4074732595%26ref%3Dpd_sl_74xdg0fndf_b In verse 17 of Psalm 139, it says, “How precious are your thoughts toward me O God! If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand.” Than the sand! God thinks about you more than all the grains of the sand! Are y all stuck in that fire and brimstone god? Doncha read the inside of the Reader? Maharishi trying to convey God to you? God is beautiful and makes loves beauty. Go to the light! Get out of that black cloud! Munay, -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: snip [Hang on a minute - does anyone know of some good anti-malware software? My keyboard has been hijacked by a CORRECTOR trojan! Wait, let's see...IP address is somewhere in darkest Manhatten...] Dude, if the IP address is in Manhattan, there must be another CORRECTOR stalking Barry besides moi. (I'm amused by the various myths and legends that have sprung up about me. Just discovered to my surprise that I have cats, via Vaj.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!a thank you
Thank you Corrector Pete's sake MUNAY to you all! -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Hitler Video Parody
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: snip The interesting thing is that the director of the movie Downfall loves these parodies: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/01/the_director_of_downfall_on_al.html I know zilch about this guy, but on the basis of what he said in this interview, he's got to be a real mensch. Kudos also to the reporter who had the ingenious notion of asking him what he thought about the parodies!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Floating experience
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: From Rory's autohagiography: More than this, though, Robin had an interesting --- and disturbing --- world-view. An ex-drama-teacher, he saw the world as a divine drama: a perennial conflict between the divine and the demonic in each of us. *Robin also had an enviable certainty that he was always right*; he trusted his perceptions completely, and did not hesitate to label one as in the grip of the demonic. I never had any interest in Robin Carlson and don't now, but I must say for the record, Doesn't that description of him sound like someone on FFL? Not the demonic thang per se, just the constant assumption of always rightness, and the tendency to label others with derogatory labels like... ...The Corrector, stalker, insane, psychopath, the incarnation of pure ugliness--labels like those, you mean? Just sayin'... liar, intellectually dishonest, and almost always having a hidden agenda of ill intent. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heavenly Music
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Try this composition by Ennio Morricone, Cinema Paraiso. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FzVWlOKeLsfeature=related Nice ! Morricone is a genius. Or, that the bliss flows in him and through his music.
[FairfieldLife] In the series musicians applying for Masterhood: A hillbilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUzmZvwMNswfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi_0k3hzNS4feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoPNC3ebYQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMf-em-56Mcfeature=related (For curtis, in respect)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
These mantras for the nakshatras are very familiar to Vedic astrologers. I even attended a workshop that Hart DeFouw held on them. They are often very interesting because even westerners will wind up with the sound of the nakshatra they were born under for the their name and of course their parents knew nothing about this. Some gurus might use these to select mantras but probably most just give calming mantras to the public (good for vata). And to disciples unless it is a specific path they may select a mantra that fits the character of the initiate. There are mantras for ayurveda, the most common are hoong for kapha, shring for pitta and ram for vata. And of course if someone using these comes back into balance they may no longer need to practice it. These are what I call maintenance mantras used to address a specific issue and used only temporarily. There are many such mantras for different circumstances such as planetary mantras meant to be practiced during bad transits and dashas. false wrote: And those 108 are: http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic-astrology-jyotisha/451732-primordial-sound-meditation.html The irony is that the mantra you get seems to be the worst possible one for you: that list gives me the standard mantra for reducing kapha while I've always been highly vata. --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:21 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Big Philosophical Question Of The Week
TurquoiseB wrote: I like to amuse myself on Saturday mornings by trying to figure out what the Big Issue Of The Week will be here on FFL. Whatever it is one can pretty much count on it being driven by sentimentality about TM or ignorance about spiritual issues and bottom line: boring.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!whatzyer Bible
whatz a matta you? I got those quotes right out of the Inspirational Study bible w/ commentaries by Max Lucado after i looked them up in my concordance, and on ask.com ..have a meatball w/ pesto sauce *sigh* -M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!*sends O DE magazine*
here's your complimentary subscription to 'Ode' ya negative monsters i think i will crack a stone upon my own head-oi vei!! Everything is not evil and bad geez ...back to the comment earlier, vomit is not bad,(panchakarma) and the faerie is not as squeamish as she may seem no gasping here... I love your rocks voice.I love the viewing of this on many varied facets. We could all learn a lesson from Spongebob and not be so Squidwardish. Laugh a little even if the laugh sounds like a woodpecker or a sponge. Ciao M da 13
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patanjali, Vyasa and Shankara on Omkar, Ishvara and Samadhi
Richard wrote: Not sure where this saying comes from - maybe it's from Shankara's Vivarana on the commentary by Vyasa, on Patanjali'sYoga Sutra Yes, Richard, from Shankara'svivarana on Vyasa's commentary. Richard wrote: There's no OM' in mentioned in the Hindu scriptures: Rig Veda, Brahma Sutra, Yoga Sutra, or in the Bhagavad Gita. Richard I'm not sure how you come up with this. One of the most famous texts in the entire Indian tradition is Mandukya Upanishad. The first sentence of this Upanishad is: Om iti etat aksharam idam sarvam the akshara (letter) om is this all Richard wrote: Most Vaishnava adherents do not agree with the Tantrists that advocate the use of bija mantras, although the Vaishnavas are Transcendentalists, they do not term themselves 'impersonalists' like the Buddhist do. The Vaishnava tradition is full of bija mantras, just like the Shaiva lineages. Gaudiya-s like Shrila Prabhupad considered the Pancharatra Vidhi (rites) to be the purest method for worshiping a deity. (See the Lakshmi Tantra). This is how Gaudiya-s worship Radha-Krishnain their own puja/yajna. And, by the way, they all use Omkara. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: 'OM' isn't a genuine tantric bija mantra, that's the point. Premanand: In Gita 7:8 Krishna proclaims praNavaH sarvavedeshhu - 'I am the the Pranava (AUM) in all the Vedas.' The Bhagavad Gita teaches that there is a Transcendental Person, Krishna, and that his symbol is the Pranava, 'OM', but there are no 'BIJA' mantras mentioned in the Gita, in the Upanishads, or in the Yoga Sutras or in the Rig Veda. That's because the Tantrics came much later, after the composition of the Gita and the Vedas. There were no bija mantras around back then. Apparently the use of bija mantras took place during the age of the Indian alchemists. Most Vaishnava adherents do not agree with the Tantrists that advocate the use of bija mantras, although the Vaishnavas are Transcendentalists, they do not term themselves 'impersonalists' like the Buddhist do. See below: Because the impersonalists are very much afraid of addressing the Supreme Lord Krsna by His innumerable names, they prefer to vibrate the transcendental sound omkara. But they do not realize that omkara is the sound representation of Krsna... Gita 7.8: http://www.asitis.com/7/8.html In the Upanishads, the word I-s'vara is used to denote a state of collective consciousness... Yoga Sutras 1.23-1.29: http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-12329.htm Tripura: Tri means three, and pura means city. Tripura is the consciousness that operates in the three cities of Waking (A of OM Mantra), Dreaming (U of OM Mantra), and Deep Sleep (M of OM Mantra), as well as the Conscious (A of OM Mantra), Unconscious (U of OM Mantra), and Subconscious (M of OM Mantra) aspects of mind. Sometimes conceptualized as the divine feminine (Shakti), compared to the divine masculine (Shiva), she permeates the three cities of the Gross world (A of OM Mantra), the Subtle plane (U of OM Mantra), and the Causal reality (M of OM Mantra). Tripura also permeates the many other trinities such as the beingness inherent in past, present and future. Read more: 'OM Mantra and 7 Levels of Consciousness' by Swami Jnaneshvara Bharati http://www.swamij.com/om.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: In the series musicians applying for Masterhood: A hillbilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: So you like this guy or just think it is the kind of thing I would like? I'm hip to Steve's music, a real minimalist grooveman with a compelling personal story. The North Hills Mississippi tradition he favors has its masters. Here is one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8RtayjqqIw As an acoustic performer this is more my style, and I play this song in my shows. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUzmZvwMNswfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi_0k3hzNS4feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoPNC3ebYQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMf-em-56Mcfeature=related (For curtis, in respect)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: So for me there can be evil and not giving a kill bite instinct to all animals if you had the power is at the top of my list. However as an evolutionary priority that overlooks my sensibility without a God, I understand how it happened. Does that make the kill bite instinct, (or aggressions, fighting, war,) intrinsically bad? They are not my cup of tea. I am more the hippie pacifist type. I don't care for football, boxing or cockfighting much -- though I realize millions in various cultures live for that shit. But if Good and Evil are the tags we spray paint on the world, can I call those things evil? (not calling them evil certainly does not mean they are good.) con't after the next section. Pray for peace Well we know that nothing fails like prayer. Just ask anyone who went down in a fireball plane crash and was praying their ass off all the way down. Did you ask them? Or was that your experience? [some intersting sidetrip mirth possible here, but I digress] Well, there are two things here. prayer to a presumed Supreme Being (ha, how is Being superior to other Being). And Life after bodily death. On the latter .. one of the fascinating things about life and its inevitable death is the quandry- is there any continuation of anything? lots of near-death experiences, upon coming back from prolong breath halt, many report -- ya know, tunnel of light, etc. -- that the other side is so good they didn't want to come back to Life. Maybe its just the experience caused by neurons shutting down I don't know - nor pretend to know. Maybe this consciousness is a continuum, maybe a brief shining light -- once gone, ever extinguished. who could know for sure. Who could deny for sure. So stripping off the pretty ribbons of emergency prayers to a Supreme Being at the hour of need -- and leaving it to the question of if the body drops away and the continum is still there -- then prayer is superfulous. As it is if its just darkness, lights out, good night Irene. So if you have the scoop on the existence of prayer and a Supreme Being, cool. But do you have the certain scoop on continuation of the inner deeper life within? I don't. But with the unlimited naivete of our species that makes us so charming, I hope for peace too. Do my comments above make me naive? Or full of wonder? (or just the obvious, full of shit) ... con't of prior section ... but if Good and Evil are the tags we spray paint on the world, can I call those things evil? (not calling them evil certainly does not mean they are good.) If continuity of life is what occurs, then violence, as well as peace and love, have a broader context. Life continues. The playground gets real. Lots of opportunities to learn life lessons, body after body. I never got fascism how and why one could get sucked into that (other than a decade of depression, hyperinflation, etc. -- partial explanations.) But I read recently a fascist view of militarism and aggressions -- that it was seen as a process to promote most rapid social change and growth. While not an advocate or fan, if viewed in the context of the continuity of life, then the rapid turn over of life could lead to the survival of the fittest paradigm prevalent in nature. so even the kill bite instinct may have a plays in the grand scheme of things. I really don't know. And I am sure Charles Manson's types have spewed such in self-serving ways through the ages. But, that aside, if one drops the spray paint gloss of Good and Evil, and of Certainty (about things like after death) -- then one is let with ... who knows.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count -- do the math
The 50 post/week limit wonderfully frustrates the sixth grader in the body of a senior citizen and minimizes her opportunity to suck on the oxygen of our attention to feed her juvenile neuroses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: The 50 post / week limit has the potential to improve post quality and thereby maximize the utilization of one's attention. I disagree, but that isn't what I was discussing. I was simply pointing out that Barry's notion of prolific posters trying to drown out other posters was nonsense (among several other nitwit things he said). I far prefer seeing your name attached to 1 of 8 posts - 50 out of 412 of last week's total FFL posts; as opposed to seeing your name attached to only 1 of 10+ posts - 482 out of 5,152 of Oct., '06's total FFL posts, the last month FFL went without posting limits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Let's see if this analysis of posting frequency holds up under examination. After Barry had made his first post, one (or more) of his pals got to him quickly to let him know the arithmetic he wanted us to let him do for us (because we weren't smart enough to do it ourselves, you see) wasn't quite on the up-and-up. He hastily got out in front of that embarrassing situation, so there's no need for me to go over it again. A narrow escape, that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just in case anyone is incapable of doing the math and realizing what the result would be of getting rid of the posting limits, I'll do the math for you. Ooopsie. :-) Even though it would be fun to see THE CORRECTOR waste five posts correcting my math, I'll do it myself. Actually one would have been more than sufficient. Would've been fun, but there's plenty to correct besides Barry's arithmetic. This week one of the people *for whom the post- ing limits were originally created* got her panties in a bunch over Curtis and managed to make 50 posts in slightly less than 75 hours. Only 10 of them in the brawl with Curtis. Note what Barry doesn't mention--and what Curtis won't tell you either: the brawl erupted because Curtis got *his* panties in a bunch over an 11-word one-liner of mine. He also made 10 posts in that brawl over the same period. That's basically 1.5 posts per hour, average. Really . posts per hour. Assuming that she slept at least 24 of those 75 hours, that's an average of 1 post per waking hour. If she were free to do what she used to do, that means she would be making an estimated 252 posts per week. More like 112 posts per week. Mea culpa. Even this, of course, isn't right. Only if I'd continued posting at the same rate would I have been making 112 posts that week. In the case of the fight with Curtis, as he has noted (to Barry, so Barry is aware of this), Curtis pursued the fight so assiduously because was snowed in over the weekend and had time on his hands; and I usually make most of my posts on the weekend. It's highly unlikely the fight would have continued at the same rate into the rest of the week. Which, interestingly, is pretty much on the money given actual past history. During the month of October 2006 (the pre-posting limits Bad Old Days), FFL's top 3 posters (accounting for almost a third of all posts) were: 1. shempmcgurk -- 541 (11.6%) 2. sparaig -- 533 (11.4%) 3. authfriend -- 482 (10.3%) From Barry's earlier post: I would remind people WHY the posting limits were created in the first place. Three posters -- two still present, one now gone -- were essentially Out Of Control and using their ability to post as much as they wanted to drown out others here. This is just silly. Nobody makes posts to drown out other posters. It's impossible on the face of it, not to mention undesirable (fewer posts to respond to). To the extent other posters were drowned out, we'd be left talking to ourselves. And unlike some other posters here, the three of us don't often initiate threads or spam the group with reams of copy-and-paste material. We're interested in *conversation*. And the numbers themselves squash Barry's drown out theory. Just for example, in October 2006 there was a total of 5,152 posts in the group. If the three of us made 30 percent of them, it means there were around 3,606 posts made by others--so they were hardly drowned out. And my 50 posts from Friday through Monday this
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count -- do the math
A 50 post limit frustrates the sixth grader in the body of a senior citizen, and minimizes her sucking the oxygen of our attention to feed her juvenile neuroses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: The 50 post / week limit has the potential to improve post quality and thereby maximize the utilization of one's attention. I disagree, but that isn't what I was discussing. I was simply pointing out that Barry's notion of prolific posters trying to drown out other posters was nonsense (among several other nitwit things he said). I far prefer seeing your name attached to 1 of 8 posts - 50 out of 412 of last week's total FFL posts; as opposed to seeing your name attached to only 1 of 10+ posts - 482 out of 5,152 of Oct., '06's total FFL posts, the last month FFL went without posting limits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Let's see if this analysis of posting frequency holds up under examination. After Barry had made his first post, one (or more) of his pals got to him quickly to let him know the arithmetic he wanted us to let him do for us (because we weren't smart enough to do it ourselves, you see) wasn't quite on the up-and-up. He hastily got out in front of that embarrassing situation, so there's no need for me to go over it again. A narrow escape, that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just in case anyone is incapable of doing the math and realizing what the result would be of getting rid of the posting limits, I'll do the math for you. Ooopsie. :-) Even though it would be fun to see THE CORRECTOR waste five posts correcting my math, I'll do it myself. Actually one would have been more than sufficient. Would've been fun, but there's plenty to correct besides Barry's arithmetic. This week one of the people *for whom the post- ing limits were originally created* got her panties in a bunch over Curtis and managed to make 50 posts in slightly less than 75 hours. Only 10 of them in the brawl with Curtis. Note what Barry doesn't mention--and what Curtis won't tell you either: the brawl erupted because Curtis got *his* panties in a bunch over an 11-word one-liner of mine. He also made 10 posts in that brawl over the same period. That's basically 1.5 posts per hour, average. Really . posts per hour. Assuming that she slept at least 24 of those 75 hours, that's an average of 1 post per waking hour. If she were free to do what she used to do, that means she would be making an estimated 252 posts per week. More like 112 posts per week. Mea culpa. Even this, of course, isn't right. Only if I'd continued posting at the same rate would I have been making 112 posts that week. In the case of the fight with Curtis, as he has noted (to Barry, so Barry is aware of this), Curtis pursued the fight so assiduously because was snowed in over the weekend and had time on his hands; and I usually make most of my posts on the weekend. It's highly unlikely the fight would have continued at the same rate into the rest of the week. Which, interestingly, is pretty much on the money given actual past history. During the month of October 2006 (the pre-posting limits Bad Old Days), FFL's top 3 posters (accounting for almost a third of all posts) were: 1. shempmcgurk -- 541 (11.6%) 2. sparaig -- 533 (11.4%) 3. authfriend -- 482 (10.3%) From Barry's earlier post: I would remind people WHY the posting limits were created in the first place. Three posters -- two still present, one now gone -- were essentially Out Of Control and using their ability to post as much as they wanted to drown out others here. This is just silly. Nobody makes posts to drown out other posters. It's impossible on the face of it, not to mention undesirable (fewer posts to respond to). To the extent other posters were drowned out, we'd be left talking to ourselves. And unlike some other posters here, the three of us don't often initiate threads or spam the group with reams of copy-and-paste material. We're interested in *conversation*. And the numbers themselves squash Barry's drown out theory. Just for example, in October 2006 there was a total of 5,152 posts in the group. If the three of us made 30 percent of them, it means there were around 3,606 posts made by others--so they were hardly drowned out. And my 50 posts from Friday through Monday this past week were out of a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!whatzyerBible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: whatz a matta you? I got those quotes right out of the Inspirational Study bible w/ commentaries by Max Lucado And that makes them somehow more meaningful or true than quotes by Randy Newman? Whatz a matta you, bay-bee? I mean, *really*, isn't that the only issue here? You hold certain ancients to have been possessed of certain inalienable, constantly- true truths, and we think they were just pissing into the wind, and geting splashed as a result with their own truths. I spoke before about the real issue in this thread. But that was merely the surface of the real issue. The REAL real issue seems to be, Do you believe that your vision of 'truth' is 'true' for all other sentient beings, or not? I'm clearly in the NOT camp. Where do you stand, Meow? Is there a possibility -- however faint -- that your quotes of choice might have as little to do with a God (if One exists) and what His/Her/ Its Grand Plan might be (if one exists) as the actual price of oil has to do with what you pay at the gaspump? Is there a *possibility* that your certainty about these things is...uh... less than certain? Or are you *certain*, no strings attached, no doubts, no dissenting opinions from other sentient beings allowed to intrude upon the certainty? That really *IS* the dichotomy that Curtis and I are attempting to point out here on Fairfield Life. IMO, that is. Curtis may have had nothing remotely like that in mind. But *I* see in his posts an interesting dichotomy being pointed out between those who seem convinced that they know the truth about stuff, and those who are still humble enough to admit that they don't have a fuckin' clue. If you identify more with the former group, and its groupies, more power to you. Me, I want to hang for the rest of this life and in the afterlife with those who are honest enough to admit that they don't have a fuckin' clue. YMMV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hitler on Climate Change
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: A variation on a spoof template that might tickle one or two here I hope! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PI2vCA9ck Oh, jeez, I'm wiping my eyes. It's OK. He didn't mean that about Starbuck's. This is the best Downfall spoof yet, I think, at least of the ones I've seen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!whatzyerBible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip But *I* see in his posts an interesting dichotomy being pointed out between those who seem convinced that they know the truth about stuff, and those who are still humble enough to admit that they don't have a fuckin' clue. Except, of course, they don't admit any such thing. Rather, they: think [the ancients] were just pissing into the wind, and geting [sic] splashed as a result with their own truths. Nothing wrong with thinking you have a fuckin' clue. Just don't pretend you don't have one and then use that falsehood to make yourself superior to others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count -- do the math
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: A 50 post limit frustrates the sixth grader in the body of a senior citizen, and minimizes her sucking the oxygen of our attention to feed her juvenile neuroses. Toots, you get to not only minimimze but *completely withhold* the oxygen of your attention. If you can't manage that, it's your problem.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Floating experience
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: snip But here's a surprising development from Salon: CPAC Crowd Boos a Homophobe Off Stage (with video) http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/02/19/cpac_gays/index.html http://tinyurl.com/y86xyv6 No kidding, this is pretty amazing. (I'm not sure whether to be thrilled that these conservatives are resisting homophobia, or depressed that there are gays conservative enough to have become an issue at that meeting.) Apparently at this particular CPAC function, Ron Paul was scheduled to speak a little later, and the audience was full of his supporters rather than the run-of-the-mill crazy righties. So not quite as amazing as it seemed, alas.
[FairfieldLife] Farewell for now message from Buck/Doug
Dear Rick; I have long been of the feeling that posting to FFL over the 50 post a week limit is a clear crime of passion and as the guidelines provide should be met with dispassion and firmness. Fair is fair. Frankly, 50 posts a week is plain over-indulgence. 40 posts as a weekly threshold was even the better show of character for the FFL list community. But in the rule of civic law, the rule is the rule. And, we both know that Shemp is going to howl endlessly at the door over this error of yours. Whine, gripe and will proly make at overindulging the list community by running at 50 posts crying, but Rick gets to as if he is an equal. To dissuade just such abuse which will come, I offer myself as hostage to your over posting last week. Yep, yours was an error of judgment that I will place myself in as exchange for you. A replacement. I will do your time off-list for you. Let me do this for the well-being of the FFL community. Keep your hand straight on the tiller. There is great spiritual work now in the field and forest to attend to. It is Spring come again, my time on the internet is closing for the year anyway as fieldwork and planting come around. I shall be sharpening plow shears this next week on your account. I'll be off-line and working in the temple. Don't let anyone say your crime was not paid for. I'll be gone from FFL for a while, gone to the woods on your account. Jai Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck Up to the hilltop: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/home
[FairfieldLife] Apolo Anton Ohno
If you've enjoyed Apolo's exploits over the last 12 yrs and want to see into the mind and heart of both father and son, read on ... Quite the Warrior and Zen Masters. On and Off the Ice, Ohno Is Positioned for Success Alex Livesey/Getty Images Apolo Anton Ohno is one medal short of becoming the United States most decorated Winter Olympian. By GREG BISHOP Published: February 19, 2010 VANCOUVER, British Columbia The evolution of Apolo Anton Ohno unfolded in ice rinks, on television, over 12 years and three Winter Olympics. It involved a single father and singular short track speedskating focus, a torturous trainer and dancing with stars. It brought Ohno here, to his record-tying sixth Olympic medal with three events remaining, most likely in his career. Over the last 16 weeks, Ohno overcame swine flu and ate seaweed, and logged 900 miles of treadmill training. His evolution, at least in the athletic sense, is nearly complete. From chunky punk to slim superstar, from soul patch to soulful, Ohno has built, honed, tweaked and polished his most valuable asset: himself. I have a vision, said Yuki Ohno, his father. Apolo will entertain the world with an unbelievable performance. The battle is just getting started. Ohno resides in rare air, as both a full-time Olympian and his own brand. His profile adorns the side of an Alaska Airlines 737. His face routinely graces People magazines most beautiful issue. His wrist showcases the expensive watches he endorses along with George Clooney and Cindy Crawford. In an online Smithsonian magazine poll, Ohno garnered 37 percent of the vote for Americas favorite Winter Olympian. The figure skater Brian Boitano ranked second with 21 percent. No one else, not Shaun White, not Bonnie Blair, not Eric Heiden, received even half of that. But Ohno did not arrive here on his own. He is the product of Team A.A.O., his stable of family, friends, trainers, coaches and advisers. In training, diet, schedule, strategy and mind-set, they guided his evolution. Ohno hired John Schaeffer, a kick boxer turned trainer, in 2002. Schaeffers résumé included work with swimmers, boxers, weight lifters, mixed martial artists and N.F.L. players, but never before had he encountered someone with Ohnos intensity, recovery ability and capacity to endure pain. I dont know anybody, honestly, who could train with Apolo, Schaeffer said. He traveled with Ohno to Italy for the Olympics and to Los Angeles for Dancing With the Stars. He once ran Ohno up the mountains near Reading, Pa., three times each day for three days, like a goat. He made core training their core focus. Three months ago, Schaeffer moved into Ohnos house near Salt Lake City. There, they ensured that Ohno, an athlete in the twilight of his career, would enter these Games in the best shape of his life. Ohno lost nearly 16 pounds, doubled his strength, cut his body fat to 2.8 percent and sacrificed not one ounce of speed. Yuki Ohno compared his son to a Lamborghini, the same brand as in previous Olympics, but shaped different: smaller in the quadriceps, leaner in the upper body, but similarly explosive. A typical workout: eight sets of two repetitions at 1,000 pounds on the leg press, one leg at a time, holding the weight between each set. Then bench hops. Then one-legged hops. Then, in the afternoon, treadmill training, alternating each minute between 12 and 15 miles an hour for 20 rotations. Schaeffer also changed Ohnos diet, using lean fat for energy instead of carbohydrates, eliminating toxic nutrients. Ohno ate only vegetables, fruit and fish, except for the night before and the morning of each race, when he gorged on brown rice pasta prepared with coconut oil and essential fats. Its intense, Ohno said, in way of explanation. You have no idea. The mental evolution fell mostly to Yuki, who won court custody when his son was an infant. (Neither Ohno has ever discussed Apolos mother.) Ohno described his father as his backbone, an equal partner in the Ohno enterprise. It was Yuki who sent Apolo to a secluded cabin, alone for eight days, after he bombed at the Olympic trials in 1998. Yuki who implemented buffers as the time demands expanded, who handled scheduling, who battled through security here to deliver food after his son won a silver medal in the 1,500 meters. Yuki built the mind-set, shifting the focus from winning races and securing Olympic records, to the struggle for perfection. Apolo Ohno often sounds like a Zen master, and that is his fathers influence. His mind is so clear and focused, Yuki Ohno said. When I drive with him, I feel his testosterone level. Its so high, I get scared. I dont want to challenge him in conversation. Its like a dominant, focused lion is sitting right beside me. The strategic evolution came from Jae Su Chun, the former coach of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: In the series musicians applying for Masterhood: A hillbilly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: So you like this guy or just think it is the kind of thing I would like? Both I'm hip to Steve's music, a real minimalist grooveman with a compelling personal story. The North Hills Mississippi tradition he favors has its masters. Here is one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8RtayjqqIw Impressive, never heard of him, thanks for posting this !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: And where is all that stored in your brain? Where did the data of the experiences come from? I'd say it was invented in the same way that the dreaming mind conjurs up all sorts of fantastic stuff. See, that's where I just get boggled. I see stuff in my dreams that I've *never* seen before, either live or in photos or drawings, haven't read about, etc. Plenty of what I see *is* familiar, but some of it simply ain't. Hmmm, depends what you mean by never I get stuff that's wild but hasn't ever happened (I hope) but it's still feasible in a monster-ish or sci-fi way. The acid halucinations are also stuff from the world but in ways you wouldn't think of, just a kind of spontaneous modern art. Like I was sitting in a church once and looked up at the beams of light shining through the rafters and saw a troop of gorillas sitting as they do when resting in trees, just the mind making more out of shadows that was there but a striking image. What do can you see that hasn't existed before? It's all made up of concepts of various things, unless your mind is truly out there! Well, I don't have a particularly out there mind, I don't think. Most of the examples I can recall offhand are architectural. I have several recurring dreams, each set of dreams having a common theme and common type of architectural setting, but each individual dream takes place in a different structure radically unlike any I've ever been in. Some sets take place in realistic structures, some in shockingly impossible ones, all highly detailed. None of the details, as far as I can tell, are like anything I've ever seen in real life. I guess if an architect had such dreams, you could make a case that he was creating structures from his imagination in his dreams just as he does in real life, except without any limitations. But I'm not an architect, and in real life I'm not creative in the sense of coming up with brand-new stuff. (Symbolically, I strongly suspect the buildings in these recurring dreams represent my mind, my subjective state, in which I'm wandering around exploring with some dim purpose, or trying more or less successfully to get from one place to another.) (On the other hand...I just learned yesterday something I'd never heard, although apparently it's been public knowledge for awhile--that Francis Crick came up with the double helix while high on LSD. For some reason I get a huge kick out of that.) I always thought that he had dreamed about two mating snakes entwined. Are you thinking of Kekule intuiting the structure of the benzene ring? He claimed to have had a vision of a snake eating its own tail while daydreaming. Or maybe Crick did say he'd dreamed it because he didn't want it known that he used LSD. It didn't come out that he had until after he died. Either one underlines the point that the conscious mind isn't what does any of the actual thinking, that's all done deep down, the aware part of us just forms an outline of the problem. But where does the data come from that the deep-down part of the mind is using? I don't see how the brain can *create* data de novo. snip Did I say it's our brains that control it? Yes, you did--see quote above, because it's our brains that control it! I know, I was kidding. A case of not thinking before typing. Got it. No more than windows vista is controlled by the chip in this computer, it allows it happen but doesn't know or care whether it does or not. So where does that leave us? Not being able to trust our own instinctive opinions about what happens in our minds I guess, which could be worrying but most people just ignore it - if they ever given it any thought that is. Why is the thought that we can't trust our instinctive opinions about what happens in our minds so trustworthy? I have the sense that this approach just circles back and bites itself in the butt. Gut feeling is a bad thing to go on as we are too good at kidding ourselves. Your analogy to Windows Vista sorta breaks down here, doesn't it? (Assuming the OS is functioning properly, that is.) I don't see the analogy breaking down but our OS can, the two interact more in the human body than in the computer. We have the feedback system of the fight/flight response for instance so we can be scared of things that aren't real and it'll be the same as if they were. If you don't take the analogy that far and think of some- thing like the TM explanation of mental activity, it doesn't have any actual parallel in the mind but we accept it as a good explanation regardless. It's a software option that thinks it knows how the machine that supports it functions but doesn't really
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!!!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: So for me there can be evil and not giving a kill bite instinct to all animals if you had the power is at the top of my list. However as an evolutionary priority that overlooks my sensibility without a God, I understand how it happened. Does that make the kill bite instinct, (or aggressions, fighting, war,) intrinsically bad? They are not my cup of tea. I am more the hippie pacifist type. I don't care for football, boxing or cockfighting much -- though I realize millions in various cultures live for that shit. But if Good and Evil are the tags we spray paint on the world, can I call those things evil? (not calling them evil certainly does not mean they are good.) con't after the next section. I love my Discovery Chanel and Animal Planet, but every time I see a lion pride starting their quivering buffet at the nose of a wide eyed and very conscious Cape Buffalo,I am reminded at the lack of intelligent or compassionate design. I hold suffering as bad when it could be avoided. In this case I agree, my labels have no meaning. Nature is red in tooth and claw IS natural law. As humans I think we can often do better starting with triple digit waterboardings. Pray for peace Well we know that nothing fails like prayer. Just ask anyone who went down in a fireball plane crash and was praying their ass off all the way down. Did you ask them? Or was that your experience? [some intersting sidetrip mirth possible here, but I digress] I'm bett'n on it! I however would have no one to beg so I would put my head firmly between my knees so I could kiss my ass goodbye! Well, there are two things here. prayer to a presumed Supreme Being (ha, how is Being superior to other Being). And Life after bodily death. On the latter .. one of the fascinating things about life and its inevitable death is the quandry- is there any continuation of anything? lots of near-death experiences, upon coming back from prolong breath halt, many report -- ya know, tunnel of light, etc. -- that the other side is so good they didn't want to come back to Life. Key word: near. I've known people who did it for real and I haven't heard from them since. Maybe its just the experience caused by neurons shutting down I don't know - nor pretend to know. Maybe this consciousness is a continuum, maybe a brief shining light -- once gone, ever extinguished. who could know for sure. Who could deny for sure. That is the crux of it. Not accepting the conclusions people claim after this experience is not on the same level. We can deny that there is sufficient evidence with confidence. So stripping off the pretty ribbons of emergency prayers to a Supreme Being at the hour of need -- and leaving it to the question of if the body drops away and the continum is still there -- then prayer is superfulous. As it is if its just darkness, lights out, good night Irene. Well some people feel better begging to an invisible friend. I don't begrudge them that especially in a life or death situation. So if you have the scoop on the existence of prayer and a Supreme Being, cool. But do you have the certain scoop on continuation of the inner deeper life within? I don't. Nice distinctions. As John Lee Hooker said, Ain't no heaven, ain't no burn'n hell, where we go when we die, can't nobody tell. My position is similar in that I don't know and different in that I also couple that with and you (everybody not just you you!) don't either. Going with what I do know about how connected my awareness is to the proper functioning of my body I am placing a low probability on the continuation of the software when the hardware crashes. But I would be delighted to be wrong. Thats the image that keeps me laughing -- over the years: I can get all rational and anally empirical and deny continuation, and think when my eyes close for the last time, I will somewhat sadly, fearfully say ok, sayanra (well I have different versions, some where I man it up John Wayne and Clint Eastwood style and just laugh as the bullets rip thru me, but I digress) and then BAM I am in the middle of a cosmic party. Lights not only not Out, but on brightly. music blaring. For me, I have two choices in the midst of the uncertainty. I can assume it all stops, anything I start I will not finish -- and the why bother attitude creeps in -- with the result that a) lights are actually out, or b) the lights are actually still on. OR, I can assume that
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: CPAC Has Largest Turnout in History
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Alexander Haig Dies, Great Warrior for Freedom Passes
From: news...@reply.newsmax.com Reply-to: tybmvejrus.surzjbjb...@newsmax.puresendmail.com To: wle...@aol.com Sent: 2/20/2010 11:01:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Alexander Haig Dies, Great Warrior for Freedom Passes Breaking from Newsmax.com _General Alexander Haig Dies, a Great American Warrior Passes_ (http://newsmax.puresendmail.com/max/fnu6yzJoui5ajJll5JempywqJnxaJyjftm/1/15891?s=alpr omo_code=97B6-1) General Alexander M. Haig Jr., who served as Secretary of State, died at the age of 85 Saturday after a brief illness. Haig’s career spanned more than six decades, covering one-quarter of the nation’s history. Newsmax reveals how Haig was an actor and player in some of the most momentous events of our times: the opening of China, Watergate, the crisis of the Carter years, Reagan's rollback of communism, and the emergence of the Internet. _Read the Full Story – Go Here Now._ (http://newsmax.puresendmail.com/max/fnu6yzJoui5ajJll5JempywqJnxaJyjftm/1/15891?s=alpromo_code=97B6-1) TO ADVERTISE For information on advertising at Newsmax.com, please contact _Newsmax Advertising Sales_ (http://www.newsmax.com/emailform.cfm?recipient=Ad%20Copy) via e-mail. TO SUBSCRIBE If this News Alert has been forwarded to you and would like a subscription, please _sign up_ (http://www.newsmax.com/email.shtml) for Newsmax e-mail alerts. This e-mail was sent by: Newsmax.com 4152 West Blue Heron Blvd, Ste 1114 Riviera Beach, FL, 33404 USA To remove your email from future mailings please click here: _Unsubscribe_ (http://newsmax.puresendmail.com/max/fnu6yzJoui5ajJll5JempywqJnxaJyjftm/3/w3. newsmax.com/mail/unsub.cfm?email=wle...@aol.com)
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: FINALLY, A CURE !
From: lm...@cornell.edu To: gwanst...@aol.com Sent: 2/20/2010 6:01:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Fwd: FINALLY, A CURE ! Begin forwarded message: From: JAHodges _jahod...@aol.com_ (mailto:jahod...@aol.com) Date: February 20, 2010 5:12:35 PM EST Subject: Fwd: FINALLY, A CURE ! In this age of increasing personalized medicine! Jim The U.S. Center for Contagious Disease Control has issued a level 1warning about a new virulent strain that has been quickly spreading. The disease is contracted through dangerous high- risk behavior. The disease is Gonorrhea Lectim, and is pronounced gonna re-elect em. Research has confirmed that most victims contracted this dangerous and destructive disease after having been screwed in November 2008. Naturalists and epidemiologists are amazed at how destructive this disease has become, and have further learned that it is easily cured . . . by simply voting out incumbents! Do your part in controlling this terrible disease! =
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Farewell for now message from Buck/Doug
Does this mean you won't be peppering FFL with that irritating om every other post? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Dear Rick; I have long been of the feeling that posting to FFL over the 50 post a week limit is a clear crime of passion and as the guidelines provide should be met with dispassion and firmness. Fair is fair. Frankly, 50 posts a week is plain over-indulgence. 40 posts as a weekly threshold was even the better show of character for the FFL list community. But in the rule of civic law, the rule is the rule. And, we both know that Shemp is going to howl endlessly at the door over this error of yours. Whine, gripe and will proly make at overindulging the list community by running at 50 posts crying, but Rick gets to as if he is an equal. To dissuade just such abuse which will come, I offer myself as hostage to your over posting last week. Yep, yours was an error of judgment that I will place myself in as exchange for you. A replacement. I will do your time off-list for you. Let me do this for the well-being of the FFL community. Keep your hand straight on the tiller. There is great spiritual work now in the field and forest to attend to. It is Spring come again, my time on the internet is closing for the year anyway as fieldwork and planting come around. I shall be sharpening plow shears this next week on your account. I'll be off-line and working in the temple. Don't let anyone say your crime was not paid for. I'll be gone from FFL for a while, gone to the woods on your account. Jai Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck Up to the hilltop: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/home
[FairfieldLife] How the CRU manipulated data
Reading some of the excerpts from the East Anglia emails reproduced in the article below made me think of the dialogue that was used in the Bruno Ganz Hitler on Climate Control youtube video. Reality mimics art (or whatever the saying is). The Heretics: McIntyre and McKitrick from: frontpagemag.com http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/19/the-heretics-mcintyre-and-mckitrick/\ print/ [http://frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/gw.gif] http://frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/gw.gif When the infamous hockey-stick graph that purported to prove that human activities are causing runaway global warming was finally broken, there is some irony in the fact that a couple of Canadians did the breaking. Retired mining engineer Steve McIntyre http://www.thestar.com/printarticle/737357 and Ross McKitrick http://www.uoguelph.ca/%7Ermckitri/cv.html , Professor of Economics at the University of Guelph, have been a thorn in the side of global warming alarmists for years. McIntyre, McKitrick and, more often, the acronym MM to refer to the pair, are the subject of many discussions in the e-mails released from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU) last November. Reading the e-mails, it quickly becomes clear that leading alarmist scientists, like Michael Mann http://www.met.psu.edu/people/mem45 at Penn State and Phil Jones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Jones_%28climatologist%29 at the CRU, seemed positively obsessed almost to the point of appearing deranged at times with discrediting McIntyre and McKitrick. For example, when the pair published their first hockey stick busting paper in 2003, Mann sent an angry e-mail to his colleagues, telling them how to deal with MM: The important thing is to deny that this has any intellectual credibility whatsoever and, if contacted by any media, to dismiss this for the stunt that it is. Raymond Bradley http://www.geo.umass.edu/faculty/bradley/bradley.html , a climatologist with the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and part of the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), went even farther, suggesting that CRU should provide the independent voice that would discredit McIntyre and McKitrick: if an independent group such as you guys at CRU could make a statement as to whether the MM effort is truly an audit, and if they did it right, I think that would go a long way to defusing the issue If you are willing, a quick and forceful statement from The Distinguished CRU Boys would help quash further arguments. What did McIntyre and McKitrick do to put these climatologists on the defensive? To understand the significance of their work, we have to delve into global warming theory a bit. The disaster scenarios that alarmists predict can not be proven in real time. These scenarios are based on computer models that are horrendously complex and, even if modeling results match up with actual data during this year or that, it still proves nothing in terms of long-term trends. The only way to prove that the models are accurate is to demonstrate that recent climatic trends are unprecedented. To do that, there are two choices: 1) compare recent climatic trends to actual temperature records, or 2) compare them to historic temperature records inferred using other, secondary sources like ice cores and tree rings, generically known as proxy data. The problem with first approach is that humans have only been recording temperatures across the globe for about the last century and a half, and many of those records are dubious. In terms of natural climatic fluctuations, this is much too short a period of time to conclude anything. So we're left with proxy data and, when the IPCC issued its first report back in 1990, the committee was left with an embarrassing problem: the proxy data showed that the earth's recent warming trend isn't all that unusual. Specifically, proxy data showed the Medieval Warm Period, which ran from about 1000 to 1400 A.D., was much warmer than it is today. Mann, Bradley and others then set to work on dissembling that set of proxy data, creating a new historical temperature record that disappeared the Medieval Warm Period and made it appear that planetary temperatures have been relatively stable over the last 2,000 years until they suddenly took off precipitously starting about 1970. The hockey stick graph was born. Making the Medieval Warm Period disappear was an exercise in statistical manipulation, choosing valid data, eliminating bad data and using mathematical techniques to fill in the gaps. It's complicated work, but precisely the sort of analysis that McIntyre and McKitrick are used to performing. For example, as a mining engineer McIntyre would have to study sets of core samples in an attempt to draw sound conclusions about the likely location and extent of mineral deposits. McIntyre and McKitrick set about closely examining how Mann, Bradley et al. had done their work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow!whatza matta you!my stand
Meow sez disclaimer first: Perhaps this is not the Absolute truth I believe I see darkly,Cannot see all the way thru I do not have all the correct answers or I would be released and in Nirvana/Heaven now I am compelled to release what i do know I believe in karma, and so , if i do not let what i have go, then it will be witheld from me also and I have needs i shall be wanting to receive at some points , a LOT of points. Since i see not clearly, and not completely, i will not be totally correct ALL the time And so it is with all of us, and so this is Divine, we can all realize we need each other , and that all/ each of us have value, have something the other lacks, this builds community, and esteem in individuals. And, when i get new information, it is reasonable that that info may exclude some other thoughts or theories i had, so as new info comes in, i have new views perhaps, or perhaps the ones i have had are solidified. That being said, i believe that all beliefs are true AND all beliefs are hogwash. Each one has been defiled and is pristine at the same time. This i s good because then we can all lean on each other . Maharishi expounded on a lot of what God s intent was that i sure never heard about in Christian churches. I love catholism because their hearts bleed for the poor, and the mistakes of young passion(unwed mothers) The Jewish have not left their history behind The Mormons really believe the tithe and the helping the needy within the family is really important too, so true, and i love this about the faith. I need community. Zen is so ...how could anyone put it down? The Dalai Lama...simple-yet hard for the flesh, hard, but easy... Krishna Krishna Hare Hare...the sane advice to be kind to yourselves and animals Buddhism,simple truths that work Confusious (spelling)..duh, of course all these we call follow, all truths Pentacostals-who doesn't love to hear God show up and speak right at people /issues /hearts in tongues and an interpretation!Who doesn't want to see the Spirit like a rushing wind in the sanctuary , rolling by, molecules of air swirling and the peace of silence heavy like a cloud upon everyone there! Baptists-who doesn't want to be made new(dunk!) I have left out some... there are things that raise the hair on this cats back in all and some that make me purr, as truths and falsehoods.(or misunderstandings)(misinterpretations) I do the best i can at the time which falls miserably short of Deity. I want my karma/judgement to be a thing of beauty and I want to get it before I have to spend a dizzying myriad of lifetimes here. i am not a know it all and if i proclaimed to be, i would then prove myself wrong. Peace to you; to all of Us in heaven and all the spaces of life and existance -Meow
[FairfieldLife] Re: Farewell for now message from Buck/Doug
i thought it predudiced against vatas who can love to talk this limit bah that's what the delete button is for if one does not care for a post/poster But ah well -M
[FairfieldLife] Fw: Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!*s ends ODE magazine*
--- On Sat, 2/20/10, m 13 meowthirt...@yahoo.com wrote: From: m 13 meowthirt...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Wow! power of prayer!to WHO(M)!*sends ODE magazine* To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 1:50 PM here's your complimentary subscription to 'Ode' ya negative monsters i think i will crack a stone upon my own head-oi vei!! Everything is not evil and bad geez ...back to the comment earlier, vomit is not bad,(panchakarma) and the faerie is not as squeamish as she may seem no gasping here... I love your rocks voice.I love the viewing of this on many varied facets. We could all learn a lesson from Spongebob and not be so Squidwardish. Laugh a little even if the laugh sounds like a woodpecker or a sponge. Ciao M da 13
[FairfieldLife] What on Earth ?
http://www.cropcirclemovie.com/ http://www.cropcirclemovie.com/ A film by Suzanne Taylor
Re: [FairfieldLife] So was Soma speed?
Vaj wrote: On Feb 19, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I finally got around to watching episode 1 of my recording of the PBS series on India last night. This was the series that was on a while ago and I caught episodes 5 6 then. In episode 1 they investigate what Soma is and some archaeologists believe it was a mix of poppies, cannabis and . ephedra. IOW, though people were really messed up on uppers and downers. BTW the series is now available on Blu-ray. Have you never read Maharaj: A Biography of Shriman Tapasviji Maharaj, A Mahatma who lived for 185 years? Not at $106 a copy. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Crop Circle Cafe
Hey Nabby, You'll be interested to know that there is now a Crop Circle Cafe and gallery in FF. The address here: http://m.yp.com/get_business;jsessionid=C2o7Jn6KE8IvH73Xri2oCA**?business_id =24316563 is obsolete. It's two doors west of Americus Diamond, on Burlington Avenue. It was established by Marlene Stanley, ex-wife of Raja Tom Stanley, Alex's brother. Rick
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
thanks for info, not so appealing as mantras alone,, om tee namah for a mantra? give me the TM mantras instead --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, false dj...@... wrote: And those 108 are: http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic-astrology-jyotisha/451732-primordial-sound-meditation.html The irony is that the mantra you get seems to be the worst possible one for you: that list gives me the standard mantra for reducing kapha while I've always been highly vata. --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: From: Vaj vajradh...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:21 PM LINK
[FairfieldLife] Re: Farewell for now message from Buck/Doug
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: i thought it predudiced against vatas who can love to talk this limit bah that's what the delete button is for if one does not care for a post/poster But ah well -M Actually, meow, it takes much less energy than even using the delete button if one is bothered by a poster or the number of posts an unwanted poster posts. The time and energy it takes to skim the name of the person who authors a thread when one looks at the messages list format of FFL takes, oh, about a nanosecond and about a nanocalorie of energy. But certain long-winded posters insist upon imposing THEIR style of writing and posting on everyone else and Rick agrees...so what can one do other than get upset enough and start an overflow Yahoo! group?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
In jyotish, these sounds are the first syllables used for naming a child who was born in a particular pada or quarter in any of the nakshatras. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: thanks for info, not so appealing as mantras alone,, om tee namah for a mantra? give me the TM mantras instead --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, false dj015@ wrote: And those 108 are: http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic-astrology-jyotisha/451732-primordial-sound-meditation.html The irony is that the mantra you get seems to be the worst possible one for you: that list gives me the standard mantra for reducing kapha while I've always been highly vata. --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: From: Vaj vajradhatu@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:21 PM LINK
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
I don't see the analogy breaking down but our OS can, the two interact more in the human body than in the computer. We have the feedback system of the fight/flight response for instance so we can be scared of things that aren't real and it'll be the same as if they were. If you don't take the analogy that far and think of some- thing like the TM explanation of mental activity, it doesn't have any actual parallel in the mind but we accept it as a good explanation regardless. It's a software option that thinks it knows how the machine that supports it functions but doesn't really and it doesn't affect *how* the machine runs because it's job is just - in the case of consciousness - to allow the creation of metaphors and patterns out of those metaphors, which is what all our thoughts are. The job of science here is to let us know which of the maps we create corresponds to what's actually happening. I'm very dubious that we can make a definitive distinction between creating patterns out of metaphors, on the one hand, and knowing what's actually happening, on the other. How do we know our notions of what's actually happening aren't really just more of those same metaphors and patterns? There's no such thing as pure information--there's always an interpretation involved, always some pattern-making. FWIW, in jyotish, dreams are part of the field of higher knowledge, the 9th house. Dreams are considered the work activity during our sleeping conscious, just as our careers/professions are the activities during our waking consciousness. As such, these dreams are influenced by the planets that are placed in the 9th house at birth or are transiting the house at the present time. For example, a benefic planet like Jupiter, a significator of a biped, would cause dreams to be about a person or people.
