[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
Nabby:
> > > > The other fellow of moderators, Alex, is gay, into
> > > > weightlifting and a non-meditator.
> > > > 
> > > > Go figure.

Alex:
> > > Oh, if only I were a heterosexual meditator who gets no
> > > exercise, I could be a truly great moderator!
 
Dr. Pete:
> > One can dream dear Alex, one can dream.
> 
> Just when I am wondering to myself: "Why DO I check in 
> with FFL" I get served up this gem.

It hasn't answered that question for me.

The last couple of weeks are almost enough to 
make me believe in astrology or Jyotish. The
Moon must be up Uranus or something. This forum 
-- *supposedly* populated by people who have 
pursued a spiritual path for 20 to 40 years,
has devolved into:

* A subdivision of the new reality show "America
shows why it's gone too crazy for anyone anywhere
to take seriously," arguing incessantly over other 
people arguing incessantly about "Other People's 
Religion And How Mine Is OK And Theirs Is Scary."

* Non-stop arguing and ego-posturing about "My 
Path Is Highest And All Others Suck."

* Non-stop demonization of anyone who disagrees
with the ideas they present as if they were theirs,
when in fact they're nothing but dogma spoon-fed 
to them.

* Non-stop whining about people "attacking" them, 
even if the person they're demonizing as "attacking" 
them has neither mentioned them nor read any of 
their posts for weeks.

* Non-stop "My Holy Book Is Better Than Your Holy
Book" bullshit, as if any of them were one whit
"holier" than any other.

* Non-stop intolerance and lack of compassion.

* Non-stop grudge-holding and pettiness that makes
Jr. High School look evolved by comparison.

I think your standards may be slipping, Curtis.
The occasional funny remark by one of the few 
balanced and sane people here doth not make up
for the general level of stupidity, intolerance,
and self-importance being presented here as if 
it were the Gold Standard for "evolved beings."

The mere fact that people aren't embarrassed
to post here says more about "spirituality" and 
its real legacy on planet Earth than anything else. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> This was the video post of the week!
> 
> It made me wonder, now many of the readers here have combined 
> psychedelic drugs with meditation?

As requested, I replied directly to Curtis' Yahoo
account, and we can pursue that line of thought
privately if he'd like to.

But I thought I'd chime in on the subject publicly,
having just returned from my first trip back to the
Netherlands in some years. 

Bottom line there seems to be that the "coffeeshop
scene" is deader than a doornail. The people hanging
out in coffeeshops smoking dope are *not* there for
spiritual purposes, or to (Castaneda-style) "shift
their assemblage points." They're stoners. Slackers,
the Dutch (or tourist) counterparts of Jay and Silent
Bob. In other words, not very interesting.

A few years ago, it wasn't like that in Amsterdam.
There were coffeeshops that catered to a more upscale
and less slacker mentality. People who had their lives
together went there occasionally (maybe once or twice
a month) to smoke some "happy weed" and have a good
high conversation with friends. No more. (At least as 
far as I could tell, in my short visit there.) Now 
it's stoners looking for heavy, stoneful, can-barely-
move-after-smoking-a-joint-of-it dope. They can barely 
*speak* after smoking up, much less have a conversation. 
Not my kinda people.

My suspicion is that if there are people "on a spir-
itual trip" who supplement that trip with psychedelics,
what they are looking for in a drug experience tends
to mirror what they are looking for in their other
spiritual trip(s). That is, folks who are looking to
escape from the world into transcendence, and who
value transcendence more than they value everyday
life, might be into the occasional LSD or shroom trip.
Same overpowering, overshadowing experience of "making
the world go away" and leaving one's self immersed
either in Self or the illusion thereof.

There are the "party drug" types (the ones who take
Ecstasy and dance till their gnarblies fall off), and
I guess some of them are on a spiritual trip, but again
IMO that's another form of "making the everyday world
go away" by getting so totally overshadowed with one
experience that it replaces all others. Not my kinda
scene at all.

All in all, after almost 65 years on the planet, some
of it spent toking up on drugs, some of it spent toking
up on spirituality, I don't see them as incompatible.
But IMO drugs present a "You get what you're looking for"
scenario that tends to mirror the same "You get what you
are looking for" thang in spiritual trips or meditation.

I personally don't get off -- in meditation or in the
world of Better Living Through Chemistry -- with attempts
to "make the world go away" and replace it with something
supposedly "better." Like transcendence, or permanently
altered states of consciousness. Life is pretty neat and
I enjoy it; the most I'd ever be looking for is a way to
make it even more enjoyable.

That said, I think it's important to remember that the
vast majority of people who were drawn to spiritual trips
were NOT happy with their lives or with themselves. They
were miserable, and were trying through meditation to
make that misery go away. That was never me, and so I
don't identify. I don't identify with those who try to
find a way past their own self importance and ego and
misery in spiritual trips, and I don't identify with those
who try to find the same thing in drugs. 

Life is Pretty Fuckin' Cool. I don't understand why anyone
would ever want to do less than engage with it fully and
enjoy it fully, while doing the best one can to live a 
compassionate lifestyle. If the occasional hit of meditation
can help a person do that, I have no problem with them toking
up on a mantra. If the occasional hit of happy grass helps
them do the same thing, I similarly have no problem with
that. If someone finds a "middle way" in which they meditate
and occasionally have a hit of grass, I don't have any 
problem with that, either. 

But ferchrissakes *have a good time* with what you're doing.
The people on Fairfield Life trying to claim that their
spiritual trip is "better" or "best" tend to act and talk
as if the sticks up their butts are lodged there sideways,
and wouldn't come loose if they tried to blast them out
with 2000 micrograms of Sandoz acid. One gets the feeling
from many of them that all that would happen is that they
would argue with each other and play ego games during the 
whole trip. Not my idea of either what spirituality is
all about, or what psychedelics were all about.

[FairfieldLife] Weird or funny Facebook groups trying to get me to 'Like' them...

[TurquoiseB]

One of the "features" of Facebook seems to be that one can
create a page or a group or a link there and then spam it 
out to the masses, hoping they'll either "Like" it or join 
it somehow. I never either "Like" them or join them, and 
some of them (like the first one below) make me long for 
a "Dislike" button, but others are at least funny or
well-worded. If I *were* to join any of them, it would
be the last one in this list; that sentiment mirrors what 
I've been feeling about the Internet in general lately.

* JESUS IS LORD!!! if you know this 
is true press like

* Inside me lives a skinny woman crying to get out...but I 
can usually shut the bitch up with cookies

* Illegal immigration is not a new problem, Native Americans 
used to call it 'White People'

* Glenn Beck does have a dream; unfortunately, it's the kind 
of dream you have when you eat four pepperoni hot pockets 
right before bed

* I am sick of people getting "offended" by what I say...put 
on your big girl panties and deal with it

* When your ex says .. you will never find anyone like me .. 
and you reply .. God I sure hope not... 

* If we aren't meant to have late night snacks then why is 
there a light in the fridge?

* Life is too short to stress yourself with people who don't 
even deserve to be an issue in your life

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> > Don't count on it; this Barry-figure and Rick Archer are 
> > forever joined in a common hate of Maharishi and Guru Dev. 
> 
> I don't hate Maharishi nor Guru Dev in the least, and I 
> doubt Barry does either.

Rick would be correct to doubt this. Neither Maharishi
nor Guru Dev would even remotely qualify as important
enough -- either in my life or to the world -- for me
to ever *conceive* of hating them. 

I tend to see them as odd human beings who did odd things,
and no more praiseworthy or slamworthy than anyone else.

What I think Nabby's issue is is that early in life he
put both of these guys (one of whom he never met and has
only heard stories from True Believers about, same as his
relationship with "Maitreya") up on a pedestal. He seems
to consider them more than human, and praiseworthy, and
he *really doesn't understand* anyone who doesn't see 
them the same way. To him, *not* praising them and treat-
ing them as if they lived on a pedestal high above the
rabble is a sin in itself. Treating them like they were
ordinary, the way one would treat any other human being, 
is tantamount to disrespecting them or bad-mouthing them
in his view. 

I'm sorry, but human beings they were, and human beings
they remain. I don't believe that either of them ever had
more than a clue about the world and how it works, or 
about consciousness and how it works. Both pretty much
repeated the stuff that had been told to them by the
people *they* had put up on pedestals. 

I have more respect for people who, when they say shit,
at least say *their own shit*. Neither Maharishi nor Guru
Dev ever did, so they don't qualify for that level of
respect from me. If others wish to put them up on pedestals
and worship them (and I use the word "worship" carefully
here, because that's how he thinks of Maharishi), that is
their business, and their right. But they should get a 
grip and realize that to us the "pedestal" is about a 
quarter of an inch high, if that. The people they worship 
are to some of us Just People. Us feeling that they should 
be regarded and treated as Just People isn't called hate; 
it's called being sane.

> > That's why Rick Archer started this blog in the first place; 
> > to place the blame of a miserable life and personal failures 
> > somewhere else. 
> 
> You know very little about my life Nabby. I can assure you 
> it is not miserable or a failure. 

A fact that would be obvious if he'd ever watched any
of your BATGAP videos and watched *you*, Rick. 

Nabby, more than any other poster on FFL save one, tends
to project *the things he's most afraid of happening to
him* onto the people he doesn't like or who don't agree 
with his pedestalized view of the world. So if he suggests 
that someone is "a failure," that to me is a clue that 
Nabby is feeling more like a failure himself this week, 
and thus sees it in others because his world view does 
not allow him to see it (or the fear of it) in himself. 

As for a "miserable life," Rick, you post about real-life
things that have happened to you in real life, most of them
positive and fulfilling. Nabby never does. The only things
he gets excited about and posts positively about are 
FANTASIES. Maitreya finally coming out of the closet.
Democracy failing. TMers actually flying. Space brothers
arriving. FANTASIES, all of them. Happening somewhere in 
an imaginary future, all of them. Not ONE of the things he 
gets excited about have ever happened -- to him, or to any 
of the TMers he assumes are better than others. 

Just sayin'...someone who can only get excited about a 
FANTASY and never about his own real life strikes me as a 
better candidate for being described as having a "miserable 
life" than one who seems to be having some fun with his 
actual life.

> I started this site because I happen to think that
> freedom of speech is a good thing.

And I'm here mainly because I agree with you, Rick. Every
so often a topic or a thread comes up here that interests
me, and I can enjoy participating in it. In my opinion, 
only Wannabe Nazi Control Freaks would even *want* to try
to squelch such truth-fests, but there seem to be a few of 
those Wannabe Nazi Control Freaks here, and they always go
crazy when anyone talks truth. Nabby is one of them. This 
whole diatribe, for example, seems to have come out of 
nowhere, him just "going off" again on his favorite people 
to hate because he just feels like it. There was not even
a "catalyst event" to inspire this latest tirade. He just
felt like "going off," and thus did. 

> Listen to yourself Nabby. 

He can't, Rick.

If he could actually *hear* the things he says, or read 
the things he writes, do you think he'd keep saying and 
writing them? 

> Since you are one of the most vocal pro-TM voices here, do you 
> really think you are representing TM favorably? Like it or not,
> you are an example of someone who has been med

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

Thanks for the thoughtful response.  Back in the day when I was more 
experimental with my synapses I followed Tim Leary's combo of set (mindset as 
in belief structure) and setting with any experiences.  Tim used to divide 
drugs themselves into Republican drugs: coke and booze and liberal drugs like 
weed and LSD.  I read later that he became a junkie and for all his posturing 
about being above it all, became what he previously despised.  Now I view him 
as the guy who did more harm to the possibility of using psychedelics 
responsibly in therapy than anyone.  An old fart trying to drop acid with a 
bunch of kids is about the worst presentation of their potential I can imagine! 

Even back in my pre TM days (early 70's) I found the group of people who used 
drugs for mind expansion rather than getting wasted was a small minority.  I 
was so disappointed when I found out that most of the so called "hippies" were 
as you describe the Amsterdam stoners seeking a nonverbal state of enhanced 
"dumbass"




>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > This was the video post of the week!
> > 
> > It made me wonder, now many of the readers here have combined 
> > psychedelic drugs with meditation?
> 
> As requested, I replied directly to Curtis' Yahoo
> account, and we can pursue that line of thought
> privately if he'd like to.
> 
> But I thought I'd chime in on the subject publicly,
> having just returned from my first trip back to the
> Netherlands in some years. 
> 
> Bottom line there seems to be that the "coffeeshop
> scene" is deader than a doornail. The people hanging
> out in coffeeshops smoking dope are *not* there for
> spiritual purposes, or to (Castaneda-style) "shift
> their assemblage points." They're stoners. Slackers,
> the Dutch (or tourist) counterparts of Jay and Silent
> Bob. In other words, not very interesting.
> 
> A few years ago, it wasn't like that in Amsterdam.
> There were coffeeshops that catered to a more upscale
> and less slacker mentality. People who had their lives
> together went there occasionally (maybe once or twice
> a month) to smoke some "happy weed" and have a good
> high conversation with friends. No more. (At least as 
> far as I could tell, in my short visit there.) Now 
> it's stoners looking for heavy, stoneful, can-barely-
> move-after-smoking-a-joint-of-it dope. They can barely 
> *speak* after smoking up, much less have a conversation. 
> Not my kinda people.
> 
> My suspicion is that if there are people "on a spir-
> itual trip" who supplement that trip with psychedelics,
> what they are looking for in a drug experience tends
> to mirror what they are looking for in their other
> spiritual trip(s). That is, folks who are looking to
> escape from the world into transcendence, and who
> value transcendence more than they value everyday
> life, might be into the occasional LSD or shroom trip.
> Same overpowering, overshadowing experience of "making
> the world go away" and leaving one's self immersed
> either in Self or the illusion thereof.
> 
> There are the "party drug" types (the ones who take
> Ecstasy and dance till their gnarblies fall off), and
> I guess some of them are on a spiritual trip, but again
> IMO that's another form of "making the everyday world
> go away" by getting so totally overshadowed with one
> experience that it replaces all others. Not my kinda
> scene at all.
> 
> All in all, after almost 65 years on the planet, some
> of it spent toking up on drugs, some of it spent toking
> up on spirituality, I don't see them as incompatible.
> But IMO drugs present a "You get what you're looking for"
> scenario that tends to mirror the same "You get what you
> are looking for" thang in spiritual trips or meditation.
> 
> I personally don't get off -- in meditation or in the
> world of Better Living Through Chemistry -- with attempts
> to "make the world go away" and replace it with something
> supposedly "better." Like transcendence, or permanently
> altered states of consciousness. Life is pretty neat and
> I enjoy it; the most I'd ever be looking for is a way to
> make it even more enjoyable.
> 
> That said, I think it's important to remember that the
> vast majority of people who were drawn to spiritual trips
> were NOT happy with their lives or with themselves. They
> were miserable, and were trying through meditation to
> make that misery go away. That was never me, and so I
> don't identify. I don't identify with those who try to
> find a way past their own self importance and ego and
> misery in spiritual trips, and I don't identify with those
> who try to find the same thing in drugs. 
> 
> Life is Pretty Fuckin' Cool. I don't understand why anyone
> would ever want to do less than engage with it fully and
> enjoy it fully, while doing the best one can to live a 
> compassionate lifestyle. If the occasional hit of meditation
> can help a person do

[FairfieldLife] What you might be missing when you walk past that street guitarist

[TurquoiseB]

While in Amsterdam I specifically went searching for one
of my favorite "finds" from previous trips there, Carlos
Vamos. I went back to his favorite playing location (see
the first video below) many times, hoping to videotape
some of his live street performances with my new camera,
but sadly did not run into him. YouTube to the rescue.

Carlos Vamos in Amsterdam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WILII4fZfDw&feature=related

Carlos blew my socks off when I first found him playing
on the streets of Amsterdam. He's a world class guitarist,
and his albums (which he sells at his street performances)
feature some of the greats of jazz, who have more than
noticed his virtuosity. He just likes living a simple 
life playing and teaching his unique style of finger-
tapping guitar, and supports himself by busking.
We should all be so lucky.

Here he is in a few clips with fellow street musician
Lindsay Buckland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543XXevGkJc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Ow5guXdUc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HW0s1DAyfI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgZ_DmUkWRc&feature=related

In the last clip you can see shots of Carlos' bicycle. It
pulls an add-on baby carriage, which one commonly sees in
the Netherlands. Carlos just adopted his Dutch lifestyle
to his performing lifestyle. He rides his bike to his gigs,
loading the baby carriage with his amps and guitars. 

And this is his lifestyle. He lives a comfortable life, 
doing what he loves, while other world class guitarists
fight it out for studio or concert stage time. Some of
them, when inviting him to play on *their* albums, prob-
ably consider him crazy. I think he's onto something.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the thoughtful response. Back in the day when I 
> was more experimental with my synapses...

A lovely phrase, one that I may steal at some
point in the future. :-)

> ...I followed Tim Leary's combo of set (mindset as in belief 
> structure) and setting with any experiences.  

It was a useful distinction with regard to drugs,
and I still consider it one with regard to drug-
free spiritual experience.

> Tim used to divide drugs themselves into Republican drugs: 
> coke and booze and liberal drugs like weed and LSD.

Oh, so Right On.

> I read later that he became a junkie and for all his 
> posturing about being above it all, became what he 
> previously despised.  

I know, and have heard, nothing of this. In Santa
Fe one of my good friends lived with Dr. Tim for
many years, as lover and confidante and student.
While she may be "doing a Judith" and trying to
remember the dude in the best possible light, she
never mentioned any dependence on downers to me.
She *did* mention his growing dependence on 
psychedelic cocktails of his own design as his
end drew near, some of which boggle my mind just
to conceive of taking in one week, much less in
one sitting, but I don't remember her ever saying
that smack was one of the ingredients.

But I understand where you're coming from in 
wondering. I dropped acid with Jerry Garcia. To
watch him ignore his diabetes and spiral downwards
into heroin use just broke my heart, man. I really
*feel* for Captain Trips, to have been brought so
low by pain and wanting it to go away.

I consider myself WAY fortunate to have never had
to go there. I have had a WAY fortunate life, one
that has never left me thinking even for a moment
about making that life "go away" -- via drugs or
via meditation techniques. But I've been around
enough people who basically lived in a constant
state of either physical or psychic pain to under-
stand that desire and not judge those who did want 
life to go away. Or at least become more tolerable.

Life has, for me, pretty much always been a real
E-ticket ride. My experiments with both drugs and
spiritual techniques was always an attempt to
upgrade that to an F-ticket or a Z-ticket ride,
never to dull the experience of the current ride
to make it more tolerable.

> Now I view him as the guy who did more harm to the 
> possibility of using psychedelics responsibly in 
> therapy than anyone.  

There is a case to be made for this.

> An old fart trying to drop acid with a bunch of kids is 
> about the worst presentation of their potential I can 
> imagine! 

Maybe not the worst, but hardly inspiring.

> Even back in my pre TM days (early 70's) I found the group 
> of people who used drugs for mind expansion rather than 
> getting wasted was a small minority.  

I do not disagree. I was just fortunate enough
(again) to have hung with the small minority.

> I was so disappointed when I found out that most of the so 
> called "hippies" were as you describe the Amsterdam stoners 
> seeking a nonverbal state of enhanced "dumbass"

I lived through Haight-Ashbury. Been there, done
that, not as easily taken in the next time. :-)


> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > This was the video post of the week!
> > > 
> > > It made me wonder, now many of the readers here have combined 
> > > psychedelic drugs with meditation?
> > 
> > As requested, I replied directly to Curtis' Yahoo
> > account, and we can pursue that line of thought
> > privately if he'd like to.
> > 
> > But I thought I'd chime in on the subject publicly,
> > having just returned from my first trip back to the
> > Netherlands in some years. 
> > 
> > Bottom line there seems to be that the "coffeeshop
> > scene" is deader than a doornail. The people hanging
> > out in coffeeshops smoking dope are *not* there for
> > spiritual purposes, or to (Castaneda-style) "shift
> > their assemblage points." They're stoners. Slackers,
> > the Dutch (or tourist) counterparts of Jay and Silent
> > Bob. In other words, not very interesting.
> > 
> > A few years ago, it wasn't like that in Amsterdam.
> > There were coffeeshops that catered to a more upscale
> > and less slacker mentality. People who had their lives
> > together went there occasionally (maybe once or twice
> > a month) to smoke some "happy weed" and have a good
> > high conversation with friends. No more. (At least as 
> > far as I could tell, in my short visit there.) Now 
> > it's stoners looking for heavy, stoneful, can-barely-
> > move-after-smoking-a-joint-of-it dope. They can barely 
> > *speak* after smoking up, much less have a conversation. 
> > Not my kinda people.
> > 
> > My suspicion is that if there are people "on a spir-
> > itual trip" who supplement that trip with psychedelics,
> > what they are looking for in a drug experience tends
> > to mirr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life

[Vaj]

On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:10 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

Thanks for the thoughtful response. Back in the day when I was more  
experimental with my synapses I followed Tim Leary's combo of set  
(mindset as in belief structure) and setting with any experiences.  
Tim used to divide drugs themselves into Republican drugs: coke and  
booze and liberal drugs like weed and LSD. I read later that he  
became a junkie and for all his posturing about being above it all,  
became what he previously despised. Now I view him as the guy who  
did more harm to the possibility of using psychedelics responsibly  
in therapy than anyone. An old fart trying to drop acid with a  
bunch of kids is about the worst presentation of their potential I  
can imagine!



Do you mean a heroin junkie?

In Leary's autobio. "Flashbacks", he tells the story of trying  
heroin--as he wanted to be able to authentically comment on it's use-- 
and after his first dose he was so leery about the feeling and vibe  
he got, he flushed the rest of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life

[Joe]

No psychedelics (not for the last 39 years anyway) but I do enjoy a good IPA 
(like Pliny The Elder) in the evening.

I smoked pot two or three times after leaving the TMO in 1979 but by then I 
didn't really care for it any more.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> This was the video post of the week!
> 
> It made me wonder, now many of the readers here have combined psychedelic 
> drugs with meditation?
> 
> I know this is the eternal Internet and all so I don't really expect too many 
> honest responses on FFL.  You may email me privately and I will return your 
> honesty with my own.   
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > To follow up:
> > This is what many of the Indian sadhus have become ... watch it and
> > laugh.Then wonder about the many "sadhus" in FF.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzMjbP3248
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Nab-yur-lost is a prime recruiter for the Buddhists. He's a poster boy
> > > for them to say "See what happens when you do a dumbed-down
> > > meditation for years".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > However, most Buddhists smoke dope because they have no inner
> > experience
> > > of silent awareness during meditation.  On the other hand my sources
> > > tell me the same about many FF meditators.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe everyone needs to have a have a "smoke your mantra" day in
> > > FF. You know everyone brings a chillum and some entheogenic chara-s,
> > > chants mahamrityunjaya and then lights-up. Isn't that why they call
> > > it en-light-upment?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, who knows some "weed `n seed" mantras? Not just
> > > bija-mantras (that's so 70's) but some real bhoga-s mantras. How
> > > about "koom-bai-yah"?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I hear that's a real stunner heard directly by Rishi Greasy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:15 PM
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > >  , nablusoss1008 no_reply@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > >  , Jason 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > But that is for Archer and other moderaters
> > > > > > to decide.
> > > >
> > > > Don't count on it; this Barry-figure and Rick Archer are forever
> > > joined in a
> > > > common hate of Maharishi and Guru Dev.
> > > >
> > > > I don't hate Maharishi nor Guru Dev in the least, and I doubt Barry
> > > does
> > > > either.
> > > >
> > > > That's why Rick Archer started this blog in the first place; to
> > place
> > > the
> > > > blame of a miserable life and personal failures somewhere else.
> > > >
> > > > You know very little about my life Nabby. I can assure you it is not
> > > > miserable or a failure. I started this site because I happen to
> > think
> > > that
> > > > freedom of speech is a good thing.
> > > >
> > > > The other fellow of moderators, Alex, is gay, into weightlifting and
> > a
> > > > non-meditator.
> > > >
> > > > Now those are mortal sins.
> > > >
> > > > Listen to yourself Nabby. Since you are one of the most vocal pro-TM
> > > voices
> > > > here, do you really think you are representing TM favorably? Like it
> > > or not,
> > > > you are an example of someone who has been meditating for decades.
> > Do
> > > you
> > > > think people reading your words who are considering starting TM
> > would
> > > be
> > > > impressed or inspired to do so?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's Bible reading by Reverend Bill.

[Mike Dixon]

The bronze snake = kundalini was a Yogananda explanation and may have some 
validity. 

 What Christ was referring to was the bronze snake was a symbol of sin via the 
snake in the garden. The seed of a woman shall crush the head of the serpent 
prophecy. Yeshua told the pharisees that if they believed in Moses, that they 
would believe in Him because Moses wrote about him. 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 12:48:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's Bible reading by Reverend Bill.

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Phillip said, "Lord show us the Father and we will be satisfied." Jesus 
>replied, 
>
> "Philip, don't you even yet know who I am, even after all the time I have 
> been 

> with you?Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking to 
> see Him? Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? 
> The 
>
> words I say are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work 
> through 
>
> me. Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least 
> believe because of what you have seen me do."  JOHN 14, 8-11. "For only I, 
>the 
>
> Son of Man, have come to earth and will return to heaven again.

Wow, what a great scriptural quote, here's where it really gets interesting:

And as Moses 
> lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so I , the Son of 
> man, 

> must be lifted up on a pole, so that everyone who believes in me will have 
> eternal life."

The 'bronze snake' is the symbolic term for the kundalini or the serpent fire 
locked in the Muladar Chakra which must be awakened by meditation and directed 
UP the sushumna (pole) to the saharar in the brain to reach eternal life or 
enlightenment, beautiful, and right there in the Bible for all to see.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that 
> everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God did 
> not 
>
> send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it." John 3, 13-17. 
> Now 
>
> there is a *yagya*.





  

[FairfieldLife] It’s Witch-Hunt Season

[do.rflex]

The last time a Democrat sat in the White House, he faced a nonstop
witch hunt by his political opponents. Prominent figures on the right
accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of everything from drug smuggling to
murder.


"So what will happen if, as expected, Republicans win
control of the House?

"We already know part of the answer: POLITICO reports
that they're gearing up for a repeat performance of
the 1990s, with a "wave of committee investigations"
— several of them over supposed scandals that we
already know are completely phony.


**
POLITICO: GOP plans wave of White House probes

Republicans are planning a wave of committee
investigations targeting the White House and
Democratic allies if they win back the majority.

Everything from the microscopic
— the New Black Panther party —
to the massive –- think bailouts —
is on the GOP to-do list,
according to a half-dozen
Republican aides interviewed
by POLITICO.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41506.html

**


"We can expect the G.O.P. to play chicken over the
federal budget, too; I'd put even odds on a 1995-type
government shutdown sometime over the next couple
of years.

"It will be an ugly scene, and it will be dangerous,
too. The 1990s were a time of peace and prosperity;
this is a time of neither. In particular, we're still
suffering the after-effects of the worst economic
crisis since the 1930s, and we can't afford to have a
federal government paralyzed by an opposition with no
interest in helping the president govern. But that's
what we're likely to get."


- - THE last time a Democrat sat in the White House, he faced a nonstop
witch hunt by his political opponents. Prominent figures on the right
accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of everything from drug smuggling to
murder.

And once Republicans took control of Congress, they subjected the
Clinton administration to unrelenting harassment — at one point
taking
140 hours of sworn testimony over accusations that the White House had
misused its Christmas card list.

Now it's happening again — except that this time it's even
worse. Let's
turn the floor over to Rush Limbaugh: "Imam Hussein Obama," he
recently
declared, is "probably the best anti-American president we've
ever had."

To get a sense of how much it matters when people like Mr. Limbaugh talk
like this, bear in mind that he's an utterly mainstream figure
within
the Republican Party; bear in mind, too, that unless something changes
the political dynamics, Republicans will soon control at least one house
of Congress. This is going to be very, very ugly.

So where is this rage coming from? Why is it flourishing? What will it
do to America?

Anyone who remembered the 1990s could have predicted something like the
current political craziness.

What we learned from the Clinton years is that a significant number of
Americans just don't consider government by liberals — even very
moderate liberals — legitimate. Mr. Obama's election would have
enraged
those people even if he were white. Of course, the fact that he
isn't,
and has an alien-sounding name, adds to the rage.

By the way, I'm not talking about the rage of the excluded and the
dispossessed: Tea Partiers are relatively affluent, and nobody is
angrier these days than the very, very rich.

Wall Street has turned on Mr. Obama with a vengeance: last month Steve
Schwarzman, the billionaire chairman of the Blackstone Group, the
private equity giant, compared proposals to end tax loopholes for hedge
fund managers with the Nazi invasion of Poland.

And powerful forces are promoting and exploiting this rage. Jane
Mayer's
new article in The New Yorker about the superrich Koch brothers and
their war against Mr. Obama has generated much-justified attention, but
as Ms. Mayer herself points out, only the scale of their effort is new:
billionaires like Richard Mellon Scaife waged a similar war against Bill
Clinton.

Meanwhile, the right-wing media are replaying their greatest hits.

In the 1990s, Mr. Limbaugh used innuendo to feed anti-Clinton mythology,
notably the insinuation that Hillary Clinton was complicit in the death
of Vince Foster.

Now, as we've just seen, he's doing his best to insinuate that
Mr. Obama
is a Muslim. Again, though, there's an extra level of craziness this
time around: Mr. Limbaugh is the same as he always was, but now seems
tame compared with Glenn Beck.

And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who
will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to
be found.

To take a prime example: the hysteria over the proposed Islamic center
in lower Manhattan almost makes one long for the days when former
President George W. Bush tried to soothe religious hatred, declaring
Islam a religion of peace. There were good reasons for his position:
there are a billion Muslims in the world, and America can't afford
to
make all of them its enemies.

But here's the thing: Mr. Bush is still aroun

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life

[WillyTex]

> > I read later that he became a junkie...
> >
Vaj:
> Do you mean a heroin junkie?
>
So, where do you suppose Curtis read that 
Leary became a 'junkie'?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today's Bible reading by Reverend Bill.

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> The bronze snake = kundalini was a Yogananda explanation and may have some 
> validity. 
> 
>  What Christ was referring to was the bronze snake was a symbol of sin via 
> the 
> snake in the garden. The seed of a woman shall crush the head of the serpent 
> prophecy. Yeshua told the pharisees that if they believed in Moses, that they 
> would believe in Him because Moses wrote about him.  wondered 
> through the wilderness they became involved in sin at some point and became 
> plagued with snake bites and scorpion stings. The Word told Moses to fashion 
> a 
> bronze snake and place it on a flag standard and have those bitten, sit 
> beneath 
> it and gaze upon it with faith and they would be healed. The snake 
> represented 
> their sin. This was a prophecy of Christ's crucifixion. When Christ was 
> crucified he became the sin of those who believed (Father, why hast thou 
> forsaken me?) and died and rose three days later by the power of the Holy 
> Spirit. Thus the seed of the woman destroyed the power of sin. 

Vicarious atonement for ALL of the world's sins? Unlikely, though they say a 
Master can and does, under unique circumstances take on some of a disciples 
karma. Though the idea of a blanket amnesty to atone for ALL of the World's 
sins is highly suspect.

The law must be fulfilled either through works (repentance and making amends) 
or forgiveness (of some sins) through repentance and reformation...it's really 
a rather complex subject as there are many different kinds of karma.

[FairfieldLife] Glenn Buck

[Bhairitu]

Of course this is all about money not any real political thing.  Glenn 
Beck is worth $32 million.  A case of a sleaze ball millionaire doing 
the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the 
status quo which is really against the interests of his followers the 
Idiocrats (TeaPartiers).  Such people are "a drag on society" as someone 
we all knew would  call them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's Bible reading by Reverend Bill.

[Mike Dixon]

The Bible prescribed the shedding of blood for the remittance of sin. Thus the 
animal sacrifice system of the Hebrews which was only a temporary system. God 
became man and sacrificed himself for the forgiveness of all sin. 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 10:40:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's Bible reading by Reverend Bill.

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> The bronze snake = kundalini was a Yogananda explanation and may have some 
> validity. 
> 
>  What Christ was referring to was the bronze snake was a symbol of sin via 
> the 
>
> snake in the garden. The seed of a woman shall crush the head of the serpent 
> prophecy. Yeshua told the pharisees that if they believed in Moses, that they 
> would believe in Him because Moses wrote about him.  wondered 
>
> through the wilderness they became involved in sin at some point and became 
> plagued with snake bites and scorpion stings. The Word told Moses to fashion 
> a 

> bronze snake and place it on a flag standard and have those bitten, sit 
> beneath 
>
> it and gaze upon it with faith and they would be healed. The snake 
> represented 

> their sin. This was a prophecy of Christ's crucifixion. When Christ was 
> crucified he became the sin of those who believed (Father, why hast thou 
> forsaken me?) and died and rose three days later by the power of the Holy 
> Spirit. Thus the seed of the woman destroyed the power of sin. 

Vicarious atonement for ALL of the world's sins? Unlikely, though they say a 
Master can and does, under unique circumstances take on some of a disciples 
karma. Though the idea of a blanket amnesty to atone for ALL of the World's 
sins 
is highly suspect.

The law must be fulfilled either through works (repentance and making amends) 
or 
forgiveness (of some sins) through repentance and reformation...it's really a 
rather complex subject as there are many different kinds of karma.





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Language Shapes Our Thinking?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> There might be something to this article.  For example, 
> the English language refers to objects as male, female, 
> or neuter.  But never both.

How about thinking shaping language?

Like presenting three possibilities, and then
referring to the choices available as "both."

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Language Shapes Our Thinking?

[Peter L Sutphen]

These ideas have been around for a long time: Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, Vygotsky, 
Post- Modernism, constuctivism, constructionism. The idea that our thought 
process and ego/ personality is significantly impacted and or structured by 
cultural/ linguistic factors is a fascinating and times very confusing. My 
doctoral dissertation was all about this in the context of clinical psychology. 
It's a fascinating way toconceptualuze especially from a Western perspective 
that has a strong "essentialism" bias. That is, a way of conceptualizing 
"reality" that says it is independent from the thinker. It's not quite so 
independent!

Peter


On Aug 30, 2010, at 2:18 PM, "John"  wrote:

> There might be something to this article.  For example, the English language 
> refers to objects as male, female, or neuter.  But never both.
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=homepage&src=me
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Language Shapes Our Thinking?

[Joe]

Like the old gangster joke: "yoose, yoose and yoose, da both of yooseget 
over here!"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > There might be something to this article.  For example, 
> > the English language refers to objects as male, female, 
> > or neuter.  But never both.
> 
> How about thinking shaping language?
> 
> Like presenting three possibilities, and then
> referring to the choices available as "both."
> 
> :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul’s Shocking Message To The Tea Party

[Vaj]

Kinda nice to see after the BeckPalinfest on Mall  (not that Ron Paul is any less whacky than these yahoos).Ron Paul’s Shocking Message To The Tea PartyPosted on August 30, 2010 by Orwell's DreamsImage via WikipediaRon Paul has some surprising news for the Tea Party:You’re being taken for a ride.At least this is what many libertarians like Ron Paul believe when they see someone like Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin trying to lead the Tea Party at the “restoring honor” rally this weekend. In fact, Ron Paul believes, if you’re looking for real freedom, you should really go back to the core of the constitution and the bill of rights, which Beck and Palin do not fully endorse when you really look at their beliefs. Whether it be Palin’s support for starting more wars or Beck’s beliefs on paying the private Federal Reserve MORE interest on our money by means of a VAT tax.Ron Paul believes in neither of the above.Here was Ron Paul’s message to the Tea Party via The New York Times just the other day:“As many frustrated Americans who have joined the Tea Party realize, we cannot stand against big government at home while supporting it abroad. We cannot talk about fiscal responsibility while spending trillions on occupying and bullying the rest of the world. We cannot talk about the budget deficit and spiraling domestic spending without looking at the costs of maintaining an American empire of more than 700 military bases in more than 120 foreign countries. We cannot pat ourselves on the back for cutting a few thousand dollars from a nature preserve or an inner-city swimming pool at home while turning a blind eye to a Pentagon budget that nearly equals those of the rest of the world combined.”

[FairfieldLife] Re: Language Shapes Our Thinking?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> There might be something to this article.  For example, the English language 
> refers to objects as male, female, or neuter.  But never both.
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=homepage&src=me
>

I occasionally watch the Swedish TV channel in Finland (FST).
As weird as it may sound, there seems to be something
soothing, at least for me, in the Swedish language, especially the standard
variety spoken in Sweden.

When I change back to some Finnish speaking channel, for a short
while I might feel almost nauseous. Finnish sounds so awful! 
Perhaps it's no wonder. After all, almost 60 percent of Finnish
*men* are according to DNA studies descendants of Siberian mammoth
hunters. Yuck!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Panel of experts claim Obama is a Muslim

[WillyTex]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> Of course this is all about money not any real 
> political thing.  Glenn Beck is worth $32 
> million.  A case of a sleaze ball millionaire 
> doing the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch 
> who wants to maintain the status quo which is 
> really against the interests of his followers 
> the Idiocrats (TeaPartiers).  Such people are 
> "a drag on society" as someone we all knew would  
> call them.
>
Until November, Obama doesn't need 1 single 
Republican vote to pass anything he wants. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason  wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > >   But that is for Archer and other moderaters 
> > > > to decide.
> > 
> > 
> > Don't count on it; this Barry-figure and Rick Archer are forever joined in 
> > a common hate of Maharishi and Guru Dev. 
> > 
> > That's why Rick Archer started this blog in the first place; to place the 
> > blame of a miserable life and personal failures somewhere else. 
> > 
> > The other fellow of moderators, Alex, is gay, into weightlifting and a 
> > non-meditator.
> > 
> > Go figure.
> 
> Oh, if only I were a heterosexual meditator who gets no exercise, I could be 
> a truly great moderator!


Nice one Alex, finally someone who doesn't take himself too serious.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck

[sgrayatlarge]

Hey just turn off the channel and breath Bhairitu, it will be OK

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Of course this is all about money not any real political thing.  Glenn 
> Beck is worth $32 million.  A case of a sleaze ball millionaire doing 
> the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the 
> status quo which is really against the interests of his followers the 
> Idiocrats (TeaPartiers).  Such people are "a drag on society" as someone 
> we all knew would  call them.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck

[sgrayatlarge]

BTW, you and your left leaning friends need to know that little boilerplate 
rant of your won't be tolerated anymore. You see when you can't articulate an 
argument you fall into the SIX HIRB, what is that? Well glad you asked, when in 
doubt and you simply want to shut down an argument here is what happens: 

Your personal attack goes something like this, label the following, choose your 
weapon:


S- Label as Sexist
I- Label is Intolerant
X-lable as Xenophobic

H-Label as Homophobic
I-Labels as Islamophobic
R-Label as Racist
B-Label as Bigot

It's easy to remember SIX HIRB, so just continue your little tantrums, 
attack personally and know that it has lost it's , shall we say 
in Tantric terms- SHAKTI


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Of course this is all about money not any real political thing.  Glenn 
> Beck is worth $32 million.  A case of a sleaze ball millionaire doing 
> the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the 
> status quo which is really against the interests of his followers the 
> Idiocrats (TeaPartiers).  Such people are "a drag on society" as someone 
> we all knew would  call them.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck talk about a phoney crook

[johnlasher20002000]

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-becks-sobbing-secrets-revealed



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Of course this is all about money not any real political thing.  Glenn 
> Beck is worth $32 million.  A case of a sleaze ball millionaire doing 
> the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the 
> status quo which is really against the interests of his followers the 
> Idiocrats (TeaPartiers).  Such people are "a drag on society" as someone 
> we all knew would  call them.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck

[sgrayatlarge]

Re: Glenn Buck 

BTW, you and your left leaning friends need to know that little boilerplate rant
of your won't be tolerated anymore. You see when you can't articulate an
argument you fall into the SIX HIRB, what is that? Well glad you asked, when in
doubt and you simply want to shut down an argument here is what happens:

Your personal attack goes something like this, label the following, choose your
weapon:


S-Label as Sexist
I-Label is Intolerant
X-label as Xenophobic

H-Label as Homophobic
I-Label as Islamophobic
R-Label as Racist
B-Label as Bigot

It's easy to remember SIX HIRB, so just continue your little tantrums,
attack personally and know that it has lost it's , shall we say
in Tantric terms- SHAKTI


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
>
> Hey just turn off the channel and breath Bhairitu, it will be OK
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Of course this is all about money not any real political thing.  Glenn 
> > Beck is worth $32 million.  A case of a sleaze ball millionaire doing 
> > the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the 
> > status quo which is really against the interests of his followers the 
> > Idiocrats (TeaPartiers).  Such people are "a drag on society" as someone 
> > we all knew would  call them.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck is 'restoring' Real America and God's values

[do.rflex]

   
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Cartoon link: http://www.bartcop.com/beck-scheme-810.gif
=  =  =



  [http://www.bartcop.com/beck-buy-gold.jpg]

Cartoon link: http://www.bartcop.com/beck-buy-gold.jpg










--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Re: Glenn Buck
>
> BTW, you and your left leaning friends need to know that little
boilerplate rant
> of your won't be tolerated anymore. You see when you can't articulate
an
> argument you fall into the SIX HIRB, what is that? Well glad you
asked, when in
> doubt and you simply want to shut down an argument here is what
happens:
>
> Your personal attack goes something like this, label the following,
choose your
> weapon:
>
>
> S-Label as Sexist
> I-Label is Intolerant
> X-label as Xenophobic
>
> H-Label as Homophobic
> I-Label as Islamophobic
> R-Label as Racist
> B-Label as Bigot
>
> It's easy to remember SIX HIRB, so just continue your little tantrums,
> attack personally and know that it has lost it's , shall we say
> in Tantric terms- SHAKTI
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Hey just turn off the channel and breath Bhairitu, it will be OK
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Of course this is all about money not any real political thing. 
Glenn
> > > Beck is worth $32 million.  A case of a sleaze ball millionaire
doing
> > > the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the
> > > status quo which is really against the interests of his followers
the
> > > Idiocrats (TeaPartiers).  Such people are "a drag on society" as
someone
> > > we all knew would  call them.
> > >
> >
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: OT: SSRS -- what is this blinding white light?

[shukra69]

both
"look at the sun and go blind (knowledge) look at the moon and go mad"devotion

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> >
> > I've experienced a blinding white light before, deep in TM.  However I'm now
> > experiencing a blinding white light towards the end of my AOL kriya.  The
> > blinding white light stays with me after my rest and when I start my TM.  It
> > stays with me thoughout my TMSP, my rest after and during activity.  I kid
> > you not.  I am typing away at the keyboard.  I can see the screen but I am
> > also surrounded by a blinding white light.  Yeah, how can it be a blinding
> > white light while I can still see?  Beats me.
> > 
> > Does this have anything to do with Maharishi's analogy of watching a movie
> > and having the screen get whiter and whiter and whiter until you see both
> > the images projected on the screen and the whiteness of the screen?
> >
> 
> It's prolly prakaasha:
> 
> bahir akalpitaa vRttir mahaa-videhaa; tataH prakaashaavaraNa-
> kSayaH. YS III ~ 44
> 
> baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii caturthaH. (II 51)
> 
> tataH kSiiyate prakaashaavaraNam. (II 52)
> 
> dhaaraNaasu ca yogyataa manasaH. (II 53)
> 
> Seems like AOL kriya might be more effective for you than
> TM...?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul’s Shocking Message To The Tea Party

[WillyTex]

Vaj:
> Kinda nice to see after the BeckPalinfest 
> on Mall (not that Ron Paul is any less 
> whacky than these yahoos).
> 
"Neither Democrats nor Republicans can afford 
to ignore the antiestablishment fervor 
displayed Saturday during Beck's rally that 
took on the tone of an evangelical revival..."

http://tinyurl.com/25k55kt

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck

[Bhairitu]

I can't believe that anyone on FFL would be so ignorant as to think that 
Glenn Beck is worth anything?  Did you miss the intellect sutra?

sgrayatlarge wrote:
>
> Re: Glenn Buck 
>
> BTW, you and your left leaning friends need to know that little boilerplate 
> rant
> of your won't be tolerated anymore. You see when you can't articulate an
> argument you fall into the SIX HIRB, what is that? Well glad you asked, when 
> in
> doubt and you simply want to shut down an argument here is what happens:
>
> Your personal attack goes something like this, label the following, choose 
> your
> weapon:
>
>
> S-Label as Sexist
> I-Label is Intolerant
> X-label as Xenophobic
>
> H-Label as Homophobic
> I-Label as Islamophobic
> R-Label as Racist
> B-Label as Bigot
>
> It's easy to remember SIX HIRB, so just continue your little tantrums,
> attack personally and know that it has lost it's , shall we say
> in Tantric terms- SHAKTI
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
>   
>> Hey just turn off the channel and breath Bhairitu, it will be OK
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Of course this is all about money not any real political thing.  Glenn 
>>> Beck is worth $32 million.  A case of a sleaze ball millionaire doing 
>>> the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the 
>>> status quo which is really against the interests of his followers the 
>>> Idiocrats (TeaPartiers).  Such people are "a drag on society" as someone 
>>> we all knew would  call them.
>>>
>>>   
>
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> I can't believe that anyone on FFL would be 
> so ignorant as to think that Glenn Beck is 
> worth anything? 
>
32 million dollars?

"Since the last time we made an estimate, my 
own technology has improved. Using Google Earth, 
I constructed a polygon that covers the apparent 
area of the crowd, and another that takes in 
just the reflecting pool..."

'Glenn Beck Rally: How Big Was the Crowd?'
Pajamas Media, August 29, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/27zbgam 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck is 'restoring' Real America and God's values

[WillyTex]

do.rflex:
> Glenn Buck is 'restoring'  Real America 
> and God's values
>
"The crowd stretched from the memorial to 
the base of the Washington Monument, about 
a mile away, as Beck took the stage after 
the singing of the national anthem..."

'Glenn Beck calls for national revival'
Politico, August 28, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/2ueeedv

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ron Paul’s Shocking M essage To The Tea Party

[Bhairitu]

I think things are going to end pretty badly for the Idiocrats.  They 
are definitely being used.  I've only watched Beck once and his bottom 
line was "preserve the status quo" or IOW keep ol' Rupert rich.  Murdoch 
is just like a villain out of a Bond movie.  I wonder how many of these 
meglomaniacs we are going to suffer through before the people get it right.

Vaj wrote:
> Kinda nice to see after the BeckPalinfest on Mall  (not that Ron Paul is 
> any
> less whacky than these yahoos).
>
>
>
> Ron Paul’s Shocking Message To The Tea Party
> 
> 
>
> Posted on August 30, 2010 by Orwell's Dreams
> Ron Paul speaking at the 2010 CPAC. 
> 
> Image via Wikipedia
> Ron Paul  has some surprising news for the Tea 
> Party:
> You’re being taken for a ride.
> At least this is what many libertarians like Ron Paul believe when they see 
> someone like Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin trying to lead the Tea Party at the 
> “restoring honor” rally this weekend. In fact, Ron Paul believes, if you’re 
> looking for real freedom, you should really go back to the core of the 
> constitution and the bill of rights, which Beck and Palin do not fully 
> endorse 
> when you really look at their beliefs. Whether it be Palin’s support for 
> starting more wars or Beck’s beliefs on paying the private Federal Reserve 
> MORE 
> interest on our money by means of a VAT tax.
> Ron Paul believes in neither of the above.
> Here was Ron Paul’s message to the Tea Party via /The New York Times/ just 
> the 
> other day:
> “As many frustrated Americans who have joined the Tea Party realize, we 
> cannot 
> stand against big government at home while supporting it abroad. We cannot 
> talk 
> about fiscal responsibility while spending trillions on occupying and 
> bullying 
> the rest of the world. We cannot talk about the budget deficit and spiraling 
> domestic spending without looking at the costs of maintaining an American 
> empire 
> of more than 700 military bases in more than 120 foreign countries. We cannot 
> pat ourselves on the back for cutting a few thousand dollars from a nature 
> preserve or an inner-city swimming pool at home while turning a blind eye to 
> a 
> Pentagon budget that nearly equals those of the rest of the world combined.”
>   





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[FairfieldLife] An Index to FFL

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  wrote:
>
> No kidding! Doug/Buck's Index gave me hours of good reading early Saturday 
> morning.
> 
> Reading of all the fund raisers over the yearsfollowed by the inevitable 
> "where did the money go" questions, followed by the reports of mafia-like 
> activities of the Shrivastava/Varma clan in India is chilling to say the 
> least!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Jesus Christ, nice work Doug!
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Doug"  wrote:
> > >
> > > FFL Indexing
> > > 
> > > For Researching purposes,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The Fairfield Meditating Community, the TM.Org and Fairfield life.
> > > 

Thanks.  It is mostly history.  I keep it mostly for my own
use to find things.  It has threads that
are substantial to the story here.  

I tend to like
posts that are more primary in voice about
the FF experience over the years.  Every
once in a while someone shows up on
FFL who
'was there' and makes their observation.
I tend to grab those for the index when 
they do show the way.

For whatever reason I seem to get contacted
by people who come along researching TM
and the Fairfield story.  Academics and journalists.
Often I find showing them
'the index' a whole lot quicker than wading in to
answering by detail.
  
A lot has been written and things are very nuanced with the story.  Over
the years there have been occasional journalists come along
who had a story they thought they were going to
write about FF on the surface as they came in to it. 
 'The index' usually
sobers them up to realizing they got a much more daunting
project if they dare want to take it on.

It is history.  

Becoming part of the story now is that with all of this that is known
and understood about the past that the current leadership cannot
find their place to say, "whatever the past was, going forward we are not that".
An ethic of a new beginning.

Is there a wonder they can no longer get the numbers that they really would 
like meditating
in the large group without
a change in the nature of how they do business?  Recently as they grappled 
internally
facilitating the domes and who would meditate in them or come to meetings, 
the Maharishi devotee disciple types inside
were asking "Why should we have to change?" as rebuttal as if on a higher 
ground.

The old tru-believer Maharishi taliban disciples seem now to have an upper hand 
and are evidently un=changed.  The threads are pretty clear about this 
throughout the FFL archive.  There's a great story in it about human nature and 
struggle of hope.  Of progressive practitioners against doctrinal Maharishi 
disciples. In FFL.

Lots of water gone over the dam and downstream. Still flowing too.  It's a 
great American story. 


Jai Adi Shankara,
-Buck in FF

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck

[Joe]

Well, you have to admit, he's a heck of a shill for gold!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> I can't believe that anyone on FFL would be so ignorant as to think that 
> Glenn Beck is worth anything?  Did you miss the intellect sutra?
> 
> sgrayatlarge wrote:
> >
> > Re: Glenn Buck 
> >
> > BTW, you and your left leaning friends need to know that little boilerplate 
> > rant
> > of your won't be tolerated anymore. You see when you can't articulate an
> > argument you fall into the SIX HIRB, what is that? Well glad you asked, 
> > when in
> > doubt and you simply want to shut down an argument here is what happens:
> >
> > Your personal attack goes something like this, label the following, choose 
> > your
> > weapon:
> >
> >
> > S-Label as Sexist
> > I-Label is Intolerant
> > X-label as Xenophobic
> >
> > H-Label as Homophobic
> > I-Label as Islamophobic
> > R-Label as Racist
> > B-Label as Bigot
> >
> > It's easy to remember SIX HIRB, so just continue your little tantrums,
> > attack personally and know that it has lost it's , shall we say
> > in Tantric terms- SHAKTI
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> >   
> >> Hey just turn off the channel and breath Bhairitu, it will be OK
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Of course this is all about money not any real political thing.  Glenn 
> >>> Beck is worth $32 million.  A case of a sleaze ball millionaire doing 
> >>> the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the 
> >>> status quo which is really against the interests of his followers the 
> >>> Idiocrats (TeaPartiers).  Such people are "a drag on society" as someone 
> >>> we all knew would  call them.
> >>>
> >>>   
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck is 'restoring' Real America and God's values

[Joe]

>From the Christian Science Monitor:

This from today's Wall Street Journal:

Photos of the Beck event clearly show a big crowd. The weather was great – 
whatever the exact figure, there were a lot of people there. The area along the 
Reflecting Pool stretching out from the Lincoln Memorial was packed. Groups 
were gathered under trees far on either side. Large conglomerations of folks 
gathered all the way to the Washington Monument.

The crowd was big enough to disrupt Washington's subway system, with service 
from at least 12 stops disrupted due to long lines for entry.

Given that context, let's wade into the numbers.

Rally organizers, in applying for their permit, said they expected a crowd of 
up to 300,000. And on Sunday, after the rally, Beck himself said on Fox News 
that the event drew 300,000 people on the low end, and perhaps as many as 
650,000 people on the high end.

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R) of Minnesota, at her own rally held on the edges of 
Mr. Beck's event, said, "We're not going to let anyone get away with saying 
there were less than a million here today because we were witnesses."

However, a firm hired by CBS News to estimate the crowd put attendees at 
between 78,000 and 96,000. The firm, AirPhotosLive.com, had three estimators go 
over high-resolution aerial photos of the event, and then combined the three 
estimates. (One of the estimators talks about the experience here.)

These kinds of debates over crowd attendance go way back.

We'll close with Joni Mitchell's line: "By the time we got to Woodstock, we 
were half a million strong . . . "

Except they probably weren't. Organizer Michael Lang later estimated the 
Woodstock crowd at about 400,000. Only half of those had tickets.
The final tally:
Sky News: 500,000
NBC News: 300,000
D.C. Official: 300,000-325,000
Glenn Beck: 300,000-500,000
ABC News: 100,000+
CBS News: 87,000




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> do.rflex:
> > Glenn Buck is 'restoring'  Real America 
> > and God's values
> >
> "The crowd stretched from the memorial to 
> the base of the Washington Monument, about 
> a mile away, as Beck took the stage after 
> the singing of the national anthem..."
> 
> 'Glenn Beck calls for national revival'
> Politico, August 28, 2010
> http://tinyurl.com/2ueeedv
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck is 'restoring' Real America and God's values

[yifuxero]

Beck believes that non-belief in God (the Biblical God) is UnAmerican.
http://fxpaper.fatalsystem.com/images/wallpapers/3d/fractal/fractal_168.jpg
Also, he hates Woodrow Wilson.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> From the Christian Science Monitor:
> 
> This from today's Wall Street Journal:
> 
> Photos of the Beck event clearly show a big crowd. The weather was great – 
> whatever the exact figure, there were a lot of people there. The area along 
> the Reflecting Pool stretching out from the Lincoln Memorial was packed. 
> Groups were gathered under trees far on either side. Large conglomerations of 
> folks gathered all the way to the Washington Monument.
> 
> The crowd was big enough to disrupt Washington's subway system, with service 
> from at least 12 stops disrupted due to long lines for entry.
> 
> Given that context, let's wade into the numbers.
> 
> Rally organizers, in applying for their permit, said they expected a crowd of 
> up to 300,000. And on Sunday, after the rally, Beck himself said on Fox News 
> that the event drew 300,000 people on the low end, and perhaps as many as 
> 650,000 people on the high end.
> 
> Rep. Michele Bachmann (R) of Minnesota, at her own rally held on the edges of 
> Mr. Beck's event, said, "We're not going to let anyone get away with saying 
> there were less than a million here today because we were witnesses."
> 
> However, a firm hired by CBS News to estimate the crowd put attendees at 
> between 78,000 and 96,000. The firm, AirPhotosLive.com, had three estimators 
> go over high-resolution aerial photos of the event, and then combined the 
> three estimates. (One of the estimators talks about the experience here.)
> 
> These kinds of debates over crowd attendance go way back.
> 
> We'll close with Joni Mitchell's line: "By the time we got to Woodstock, we 
> were half a million strong . . . "
> 
> Except they probably weren't. Organizer Michael Lang later estimated the 
> Woodstock crowd at about 400,000. Only half of those had tickets.
> The final tally:
> Sky News: 500,000
> NBC News: 300,000
> D.C. Official: 300,000-325,000
> Glenn Beck: 300,000-500,000
> ABC News: 100,000+
> CBS News: 87,000
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > do.rflex:
> > > Glenn Buck is 'restoring'  Real America 
> > > and God's values
> > >
> > "The crowd stretched from the memorial to 
> > the base of the Washington Monument, about 
> > a mile away, as Beck took the stage after 
> > the singing of the national anthem..."
> > 
> > 'Glenn Beck calls for national revival'
> > Politico, August 28, 2010
> > http://tinyurl.com/2ueeedv
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?

[emptybill]

Sanchit karma is the stored reserve of karmic sanskara-s. Rather than
being just imprints, sanskara-s are described as being the seeds for
further actions. However, when a person liberates (jivan-mukta) from
misidentification, these seeds are said to be "burned" and
unable to germinate. This is said to be a final state – no more
necessity for rebirth.

This is a agricultural metaphor and is a useful way to consider the idea
of living liberation. However, what is not considered is the remaining
cause and effect relationship between those former actions and their own
specific results/effects.

What happens to those effects? The doer is gone … a mere fiction
that has now disappeared from the arena of actions and their results.
Even before that happens, the yogin/yogini realizes that the guna-s only
interact among themselves. Yet, up until complete liberation, there were
causal actions being performed (even right up to liberation) that will
effectuate in the future. The final, manifest effects of these
seed-samskaras however cannot be explained by this metaphor since a
cause without an effect is philosophically meaningless.

Thus the question … "who" gets the consequences of actions
performed by an individual when that person no longer exists and will
not be reborn at all … not even in some heavenly world?
Saying "everyone" somehow gets a little bit of that left over
karma is a statement that fails to understand the question.
Moral/immoral karma is not simply some kind of "consequence"
which everyone can receive – as if it was just like rain on a cloudy
day.

[FairfieldLife] Obama's Goal In the Middle East

[John]

If he can get the US military out of Iraq and Afghanistan before the next 
election, President Obama will win his relection bid handily.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100831/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama;_ylt=AjaNMu.avb4UWWACnGv97j.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTM4azZnN3FuBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwODMxL3VzX29iYW1hBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDb2JhbWFzZ29hbGVu

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?

[yifuxero]

Interesting but speculative of course since nobody knows for sure (and nobody 
seems to know that, and so on...).
I disagree that there's no doer. Adi Da's metaphysics is simpler and avoids the 
enigma of a "doer" since before E., the doer is the body/mind along with the 
false identification.
...
After E. the "doer" is simply the body/mind.
If we were to accept the hocus-pocus about not being a doer, then we'd be 
forced to conclude that MMY's actions were in a state of non-doership!  (which 
seems pretty far-fetched).
...
This of course assumes that he was in Unity. That being so, and if one is still 
looking for a phoney rationalization; we could say that MMY's actions (the Feet 
of Clay part); were simply sprouted plants of seeds already sown before the 
events.

imo: a more reasonable explantion imo is that notion of a non-doer is a lot of 
baloney; and MMY (in spite of being in Unity); simply carried on sowing new 
seeds and spilling a lot of them along with wayjust like ordinary people.
...
Thus, an alternative hypothesis:  as long as people are embodied, regardless of 
their state of Consciousness re: Jivan-Mukti; they are still sowing new seeds, 
growing infant plants, and reaping the rewards of cause and effect just like 
everyone else.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Sanchit karma is the stored reserve of karmic sanskara-s. Rather than
> being just imprints, sanskara-s are described as being the seeds for
> further actions. However, when a person liberates (jivan-mukta) from
> misidentification, these seeds are said to be "burned" and
> unable to germinate. This is said to be a final state – no more
> necessity for rebirth.
> 
> This is a agricultural metaphor and is a useful way to consider the idea
> of living liberation. However, what is not considered is the remaining
> cause and effect relationship between those former actions and their own
> specific results/effects.
> 
> What happens to those effects? The doer is gone … a mere fiction
> that has now disappeared from the arena of actions and their results.
> Even before that happens, the yogin/yogini realizes that the guna-s only
> interact among themselves. Yet, up until complete liberation, there were
> causal actions being performed (even right up to liberation) that will
> effectuate in the future. The final, manifest effects of these
> seed-samskaras however cannot be explained by this metaphor since a
> cause without an effect is philosophically meaningless.
> 
> Thus the question … "who" gets the consequences of actions
> performed by an individual when that person no longer exists and will
> not be reborn at all … not even in some heavenly world?
> Saying "everyone" somehow gets a little bit of that left over
> karma is a statement that fails to understand the question.
> Moral/immoral karma is not simply some kind of "consequence"
> which everyone can receive – as if it was just like rain on a cloudy
> day.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?

[Joe]

Gee Bill..would you be my Guru??

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Sanchit karma is the stored reserve of karmic sanskara-s. Rather than
> being just imprints, sanskara-s are described as being the seeds for
> further actions. However, when a person liberates (jivan-mukta) from
> misidentification, these seeds are said to be "burned" and
> unable to germinate. This is said to be a final state – no more
> necessity for rebirth.
> 
> This is a agricultural metaphor and is a useful way to consider the idea
> of living liberation. However, what is not considered is the remaining
> cause and effect relationship between those former actions and their own
> specific results/effects.
> 
> What happens to those effects? The doer is gone … a mere fiction
> that has now disappeared from the arena of actions and their results.
> Even before that happens, the yogin/yogini realizes that the guna-s only
> interact among themselves. Yet, up until complete liberation, there were
> causal actions being performed (even right up to liberation) that will
> effectuate in the future. The final, manifest effects of these
> seed-samskaras however cannot be explained by this metaphor since a
> cause without an effect is philosophically meaningless.
> 
> Thus the question … "who" gets the consequences of actions
> performed by an individual when that person no longer exists and will
> not be reborn at all … not even in some heavenly world?
> Saying "everyone" somehow gets a little bit of that left over
> karma is a statement that fails to understand the question.
> Moral/immoral karma is not simply some kind of "consequence"
> which everyone can receive – as if it was just like rain on a cloudy
> day.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: dating Mahabharata through astronomy

[John]

That was an interesting clip, especially the astronomical dating of the war in 
Kurukshetra.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
>
> lots of irritating Hare Krishnaisms but towards the end some interesting 
> dating through astronomical observations in the text 
> 
> http://www.saraswatifilms.org/movies.php
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Language Shapes Our Thinking?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter L Sutphen  
wrote:
>
> These ideas have been around for a long time: Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, 
> Vygotsky, Post- Modernism, constuctivism, constructionism. The idea that our 
> thought process and ego/ personality is significantly impacted and or 
> structured by cultural/ linguistic factors is a fascinating and times very 
> confusing. My doctoral dissertation was all about this in the context of 
> clinical psychology. It's a fascinating way toconceptualuze especially from a 
> Western perspective that has a strong "essentialism" bias. That is, a way of 
> conceptualizing "reality" that says it is independent from the thinker. It's 
> not quite so independent!
> 
> Peter

There's no doubt that language is a tool to communicate ideas.  But the thinker 
would still have to express his independent thought knowing the limitations of 
his or her medium of language.  It appears that language has limitations in 
expressing ideas relating to philosophy and religions.









> 
> 
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 2:18 PM, "John"  wrote:
> 
> > There might be something to this article.  For example, the English 
> > language refers to objects as male, female, or neuter.  But never both.
> > 
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=homepage&src=me
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Language Shapes Our Thinking?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > There might be something to this article.  For example, the English 
> > language refers to objects as male, female, or neuter.  But never both.
> > 
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=homepage&src=me
> >
> 
> I occasionally watch the Swedish TV channel in Finland (FST).
> As weird as it may sound, there seems to be something
> soothing, at least for me, in the Swedish language, especially the standard
> variety spoken in Sweden.
> 
> When I change back to some Finnish speaking channel, for a short
> while I might feel almost nauseous. Finnish sounds so awful! 
> Perhaps it's no wonder. After all, almost 60 percent of Finnish
> *men* are according to DNA studies descendants of Siberian mammoth
> hunters. Yuck!

You appear to be saying what MMY said about native languages.  He said that 
books of learning should be written and spoken in the person's mother tongue.  
However, in the current progress of economic development, it appears that 
English is becoming the world business language.  So, people may have to 
develop and grow using an international language and a local or one for 
traditional purposes.








>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Language Shapes Our Thinking?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > There might be something to this article.  For example, 
> > the English language refers to objects as male, female, 
> > or neuter.  But never both.
> 
> How about thinking shaping language?
> 
> Like presenting three possibilities, and then
> referring to the choices available as "both."

It's possible to start your own language using the attributes you want to 
include.  But would it be useful to the real world?







> 
> :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?

[gullible fool]

 
The karma goes to the deceased person's close relatives? That's what MMY said 
in one of his books. I'm pretty sure it was the Science of Being book.
 


"Under the influence of maya, Brahman appears as Ishvara, the personal God, who 
exists on the celestial level of life, in the subtlest field of creation. In a 
similar manner, under the influence of avidya, atman appears as jiva, or 
individual soul." 
 
- MMY

--- On Mon, 8/30/10, emptybill  wrote:


From: emptybill 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 11:07 PM












Sanchit karma is the stored reserve of karmic sanskara-s. Rather than being 
just imprints, sanskara-s are described as being the seeds for further actions. 
However, when a person liberates (jivan-mukta) from misidentification, these 
seeds are said to be "burned" and unable to germinate. This is said to be a 
final state – no more necessity for rebirth. 
This is a agricultural metaphor and is a useful way to consider the idea of 
living liberation. However, what is not considered is the remaining cause and 
effect relationship between those former actions and their own specific 
results/effects. 
What happens to those effects? The doer is gone … a mere fiction that has now 
disappeared from the arena of actions and their results. Even before that 
happens, the yogin/yogini realizes that the guna-s only interact among 
themselves. Yet, up until complete liberation, there were causal actions being 
performed (even right up to liberation) that will effectuate in the future. The 
final, manifest effects of these seed-samskaras however cannot be explained by 
this metaphor since a cause without an effect is philosophically meaningless. 
Thus the question … "who" gets the consequences of actions performed by an 
individual when that person no longer exists and will not be reborn at all … 
not even in some heavenly world?Saying "everyone" somehow gets a little bit of 
that left over karma is a statement that fails to understand the question. 
Moral/immoral karma is not simply some kind of "consequence" which everyone can 
receive – as if it was just like rain on a cloudy day. 





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?

[cardemaister]

Plz, read Taimni's comment on IV 7

karmaashuklaakRSNaM yoginas trividham itareSaam,

it might answer most of yer questions (niSkaama-karma, and stuff)...




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Interesting but speculative of course since nobody knows for sure (and nobody 
> seems to know that, and so on...).
> I disagree that there's no doer. Adi Da's metaphysics is simpler and avoids 
> the enigma of a "doer" since before E., the doer is the body/mind along with 
> the false identification.
> ...
> After E. the "doer" is simply the body/mind.
> If we were to accept the hocus-pocus about not being a doer, then we'd be 
> forced to conclude that MMY's actions were in a state of non-doership!  
> (which seems pretty far-fetched).
> ...
> This of course assumes that he was in Unity. That being so, and if one is 
> still looking for a phoney rationalization; we could say that MMY's actions 
> (the Feet of Clay part); were simply sprouted plants of seeds already sown 
> before the events.
> 
> imo: a more reasonable explantion imo is that notion of a non-doer is a lot 
> of baloney; and MMY (in spite of being in Unity); simply carried on sowing 
> new seeds and spilling a lot of them along with wayjust like ordinary 
> people.
> ...
> Thus, an alternative hypothesis:  as long as people are embodied, regardless 
> of their state of Consciousness re: Jivan-Mukti; they are still sowing new 
> seeds, growing infant plants, and reaping the rewards of cause and effect 
> just like everyone else.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Sanchit karma is the stored reserve of karmic sanskara-s. Rather than
> > being just imprints, sanskara-s are described as being the seeds for
> > further actions. However, when a person liberates (jivan-mukta) from
> > misidentification, these seeds are said to be "burned" and
> > unable to germinate. This is said to be a final state – no more
> > necessity for rebirth.
> > 
> > This is a agricultural metaphor and is a useful way to consider the idea
> > of living liberation. However, what is not considered is the remaining
> > cause and effect relationship between those former actions and their own
> > specific results/effects.
> > 
> > What happens to those effects? The doer is gone … a mere fiction
> > that has now disappeared from the arena of actions and their results.
> > Even before that happens, the yogin/yogini realizes that the guna-s only
> > interact among themselves. Yet, up until complete liberation, there were
> > causal actions being performed (even right up to liberation) that will
> > effectuate in the future. The final, manifest effects of these
> > seed-samskaras however cannot be explained by this metaphor since a
> > cause without an effect is philosophically meaningless.
> > 
> > Thus the question … "who" gets the consequences of actions
> > performed by an individual when that person no longer exists and will
> > not be reborn at all … not even in some heavenly world?
> > Saying "everyone" somehow gets a little bit of that left over
> > karma is a statement that fails to understand the question.
> > Moral/immoral karma is not simply some kind of "consequence"
> > which everyone can receive – as if it was just like rain on a cloudy
> > day.
> >
>