[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: The karma goes to the deceased person's close relatives? That's what MMY said in one of his books. I'm pretty sure it was the Science of Being book. So if Maharishi's corrupt uncles start messing with the female disciples they've got an out. And a scriptural one. It's Maharishi's leftover karma; we're just victims of it. Pass the blondes please. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ron Paul’s Shocking Messa ge To The Tea Party
On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I think things are going to end pretty badly for the Idiocrats. They are definitely being used. I've only watched Beck once and his bottom line was preserve the status quo or IOW keep ol' Rupert rich. Murdoch is just like a villain out of a Bond movie. I wonder how many of these meglomaniacs we are going to suffer through before the people get it right. Let's not forget the Koch Bros
[FairfieldLife] Re: Language Shapes Our Thinking?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: It's possible to start your own language using the attributes you want to include. But would it be useful to the real world? But of course! Professor Stanley Unwin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=323kQis2zbM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duOhkSwMjKg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:41 PM, yifuxero wrote: Interesting but speculative of course since nobody knows for sure (and nobody seems to know that, and so on...). I disagree that there's no doer. Adi Da's metaphysics is simpler and avoids the enigma of a doer since before E., the doer is the body/mind along with the false identification. ... After E. the doer is simply the body/mind. If we were to accept the hocus-pocus about not being a doer, then we'd be forced to conclude that MMY's actions were in a state of non-doership! (which seems pretty far-fetched). ... Yeah. One of the key aspects of a jivanmukti in the Shank. trad. is that s/he has overcome innate demonic tendencies: hypocrisy, conceit, anger, rudeness, etc. These tendencies are brought to the fore by a still present doer, with attachment still remaining to sense objects. Such a person would still find relative satisfaction from sense-objects. In such a person eradication of the mind has not yet occurred. The Shankaracharya of the South, after a visit from Mahesh, commented that his mind was like a supermarket. While no doubt a charismatic guy at one time, it appears he wasn't as evolved as many of us assumed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
Unless you have experienced the non-doership of pure consciousness it is impossible to conceptualize what this is. It just will not make any sense at all and will lead, quite naturally, to all sorts of of ethical conundrums. You, Yifuxero no more do anything than MMY does anything. Although this understanding has absolutely no application for the dharma of waking state where doership is the order of the day with all sorts of ethical and moral choices. --- On Mon, 8/30/10, yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: From: yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 11:41 PM Interesting but speculative of course since nobody knows for sure (and nobody seems to know that, and so on...). I disagree that there's no doer. Adi Da's metaphysics is simpler and avoids the enigma of a doer since before E., the doer is the body/mind along with the false identification. ... After E. the doer is simply the body/mind. If we were to accept the hocus-pocus about not being a doer, then we'd be forced to conclude that MMY's actions were in a state of non-doership! (which seems pretty far-fetched). ... This of course assumes that he was in Unity. That being so, and if one is still looking for a phoney rationalization; we could say that MMY's actions (the Feet of Clay part); were simply sprouted plants of seeds already sown before the events. imo: a more reasonable explantion imo is that notion of a non-doer is a lot of baloney; and MMY (in spite of being in Unity); simply carried on sowing new seeds and spilling a lot of them along with wayjust like ordinary people. ... Thus, an alternative hypothesis: as long as people are embodied, regardless of their state of Consciousness re: Jivan-Mukti; they are still sowing new seeds, growing infant plants, and reaping the rewards of cause and effect just like everyone else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Sanchit karma is the stored reserve of karmic sanskara-s. Rather than being just imprints, sanskara-s are described as being the seeds for further actions. However, when a person liberates (jivan-mukta) from misidentification, these seeds are said to be burned and unable to germinate. This is said to be a final state – no more necessity for rebirth. This is a agricultural metaphor and is a useful way to consider the idea of living liberation. However, what is not considered is the remaining cause and effect relationship between those former actions and their own specific results/effects. What happens to those effects? The doer is gone … a mere fiction that has now disappeared from the arena of actions and their results. Even before that happens, the yogin/yogini realizes that the guna-s only interact among themselves. Yet, up until complete liberation, there were causal actions being performed (even right up to liberation) that will effectuate in the future. The final, manifest effects of these seed-samskaras however cannot be explained by this metaphor since a cause without an effect is philosophically meaningless. Thus the question … who gets the consequences of actions performed by an individual when that person no longer exists and will not be reborn at all … not even in some heavenly world? Saying everyone somehow gets a little bit of that left over karma is a statement that fails to understand the question. Moral/immoral karma is not simply some kind of consequence which everyone can receive – as if it was just like rain on a cloudy day. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life
Turq: Like transcendence, or permanently altered states of consciousness... Maybe you got it just backwards, Turq. The real world is 'inside' your own brain - not 'out there' in time and space. You're just projecting. When you go inside and face your own mind you're no longer in the dream world of people, coffee shops, movies, laptops, and bicycles. These material objects and events are the world your mind projects or creates, not the real world. When people that practice yoga meditation like TM, they go inside to experience another state of consciousness. The consciousness state inside your own mind is the real world you have to deal with! In contrast, people that experience only the material world of the waking state don't experience things as they really are, only an illusion or a shadow world that is mind-made. If a person wnated to 'get away' from the world, they would just deep sleep all day or go into a dream state. There's not much difference between the dream state and the waking state - anything you can do in the waking state you can do in the dream state. In the dream state you can consult your friends, you can run and jump and there are tables and doors. This is pretty basic Vajranyana Buddhist Yoga - I'm surprised you don't know anything about it. Who did you say your Buddhiust teachers were? You seem to think you're already enlightened, but you're having difficulty describing your own state of mind!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Pauls Shocking Message To The Tea Party
Bhairitu: I think things are going to end pretty badly for the Idiocrats. They are definitely being used. Used by Obama? You're not making any sense, Barry. I've only watched Beck once and his bottom line was preserve the status quo or IOW keep ol' Rupert rich. So, how much do you pay for ComCast? And why did you tune in to Beck? You should have been a a political rally, so you could protest the banksters bail-out. Murdoch is just like a villain out of a Bond movie. I wonder how many of these meglomaniacs we are going to suffer through before the people get it right. You watched Glenn Beck once, but you didn't recognize your own political position agrees with the Tea Party? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck
I can't believe that anyone on FFL would be so ignorant as to think that Glenn Beck is worth anything? Joe: Well, you have to admit, he's a heck of a shill for gold! So, you're a Glenn Beck watcher - I always thought so. But how much gold do you own? Did you miss the intellect sutra?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck is 'restoring' Real America and God's values
The crowd stretched from the memorial to the base of the Washington Monument... Joe: However, a firm hired by CBS News to estimate the crowd put attendees at between 78,000 and 96,000... Since the last time we made an estimate, my own technology has improved. Using Google Earth, I constructed a polygon that covers the apparent area of the crowd, and another that takes in just the reflecting pool... 'Glenn Beck Rally: How Big Was the Crowd?' Pajamas Media, August 29, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/27zbgam The crowd stretched from the memorial to the base of the Washington Monument, about a mile away, as Beck took the stage after the singing of the national anthem... 'Glenn Beck calls for national revival' Politico, August 28, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/2ueeedv
[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck
The question is are you worth anything? What is your worth? What are you doing to bring goodness and decency to the world? What acts of kindness have you done lately? Question everyone has to ask about themselves --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I can't believe that anyone on FFL would be so ignorant as to think that Glenn Beck is worth anything? Did you miss the intellect sutra? sgrayatlarge wrote: Re: Glenn Buck BTW, you and your left leaning friends need to know that little boilerplate rant of your won't be tolerated anymore. You see when you can't articulate an argument you fall into the SIX HIRB, what is that? Well glad you asked, when in doubt and you simply want to shut down an argument here is what happens: Your personal attack goes something like this, label the following, choose your weapon: S-Label as Sexist I-Label is Intolerant X-label as Xenophobic H-Label as Homophobic I-Label as Islamophobic R-Label as Racist B-Label as Bigot It's easy to remember SIX HIRB, so just continue your little tantrums, attack personally and know that it has lost it's , shall we say in Tantric terms- SHAKTI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Hey just turn off the channel and breath Bhairitu, it will be OK --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Of course this is all about money not any real political thing. Glenn Beck is worth $32 million. A case of a sleaze ball millionaire doing the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the status quo which is really against the interests of his followers the Idiocrats (TeaPartiers). Such people are a drag on society as someone we all knew would call them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
You beat me to the punch Barry! That was too easy, just served right up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: The karma goes to the deceased person's close relatives? That's what MMY said in one of his books. I'm pretty sure it was the Science of Being book. So if Maharishi's corrupt uncles start messing with the female disciples they've got an out. And a scriptural one. It's Maharishi's leftover karma; we're just victims of it. Pass the blondes please. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
It's Maharishi's leftover karma; we're just victims of it. Pass the blondes please. Is it possible blondes could be as scarce and appreciated in India as they are in Italy? http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art166.htm I did not know this interesting map existed until today: http://bigthink.com/ideas/21266 Under the influence of maya, Brahman appears as Ishvara, the personal God, who exists on the celestial level of life, in the subtlest field of creation. In a similar manner, under the influence of avidya, atman appears as jiva, or individual soul. - MMY --- On Tue, 8/31/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 3:31 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: The karma goes to the deceased person's close relatives? That's what MMY said in one of his books. I'm pretty sure it was the Science of Being book. So if Maharishi's corrupt uncles start messing with the female disciples they've got an out. And a scriptural one. It's Maharishi's leftover karma; we're just victims of it. Pass the blondes please. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck
I own my own weight in gold Tex. You may recall when MMY gave it to me for my many years of service. Then I asked Glenn to help me sell it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: I can't believe that anyone on FFL would be so ignorant as to think that Glenn Beck is worth anything? Joe: Well, you have to admit, he's a heck of a shill for gold! So, you're a Glenn Beck watcher - I always thought so. But how much gold do you own?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
If we were to accept the hocus-pocus about not being a doer, then we'd be forced to conclude that MMY's actions were...pretty far-fetched). Vaj: Yeah. One of the key aspects of a jivanmukti in the Shank. trad. is that s/he has overcome innate demonic tendencies: hypocrisy, conceit, anger, rudeness, etc Apparentltly the Shank you cited has not overcome hypocrisy, conceit, and anger, since this Shank has been arrested and thrown in jail on murder charges. So, we can pretty much discredit anything the Shank of Kanchi would have to say about anyone or anything, right? The Shankaracharya of the South, after a visit from Mahesh, commented that his mind was like a supermarket. While no doubt a charismatic guy at one time, it appears he wasn't as evolved as many of us assumed. If this story is true, it was very rude of the 'Shankaracharya of the South' to be talking about MMY after his visit. Even ruder of you not to cite any proof of such a visit. Are you saying you were present at the time, or what? But, it has not been established that MMY once visited the Shankaraycharaya of Kanchi - he might have, I don't know. It's not mentioned in the Maharishi Biography by Paul Mason. However, it is well-known that the Kanchi Shank was in support of MMY's political party in India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
MMY has his own political party in India? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: However, it is well-known that the Kanchi Shank was in support of MMY's political party in India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Do you mean a heroin junkie? In Leary's autobio. Flashbacks, he tells the story of trying heroin--as he wanted to be able to authentically comment on it's use-- and after his first dose he was so leery about the feeling and vibe he got, he flushed the rest of it. I've been trying to figure out the title of the book that discussed Leary's life that talked about the difference between his carefully crafted public image and his actual habits but I can't. I read it almost 20 years ago. I don't doubt that he had many different relationships with drugs including not liking hard drugs. That was his pitch. But as the years went on this book claimed that he began using the hard drugs he publicly spoke against. He also had elaborate rationalizations for why his use was different from other people using them. Uh huh. The guy who wrote it was a friend who became disillusioned with the way Leary treated people close to him, and his hypocrisy about hard drugs. Leary comes off in the book as another guru-type guy with a messiah complex and with all the unpleasant personality traits that seem to commonly go along with viewing yourself as fundamentally superior to the people around you. I'll keep Googling bios to see if I can track it down. I remember that I bought it in a used bookstore so that may be where I need to search for it now. It doesn't come up on Amazon. I'm pretty sure I will recognize the title. On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:10 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the thoughtful response. Back in the day when I was more experimental with my synapses I followed Tim Leary's combo of set (mindset as in belief structure) and setting with any experiences. Tim used to divide drugs themselves into Republican drugs: coke and booze and liberal drugs like weed and LSD. I read later that he became a junkie and for all his posturing about being above it all, became what he previously despised. Now I view him as the guy who did more harm to the possibility of using psychedelics responsibly in therapy than anyone. An old fart trying to drop acid with a bunch of kids is about the worst presentation of their potential I can imagine! Do you mean a heroin junkie? In Leary's autobio. Flashbacks, he tells the story of trying heroin--as he wanted to be able to authentically comment on it's use-- and after his first dose he was so leery about the feeling and vibe he got, he flushed the rest of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
Bill: What happens to those effects? Karma is a Buddhist concept, along with samsara and moksha, from the shramana tradition, of which Buddhism and Jainism are continuations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma According to Buddhist teaching, 'karma' has nothing to do with a persons future rebirths. Karma is just the law of cause and effect and everything is subject to this law, from a highly evolved person down to a single blade of grass - there are no exceptions. If there were any kinds of left-over karmic actions in future births these would have to be controlled by the Ishvara, the inner controller. But Buddhism has no such controller - so karma is just Causation, the central philosophy of Buddhism. In order for a person to reap the result of his or her actions in the past, there would have to be a reincarnating soul-monad. But the historical Buddha did not ascribe to this idea. Thus the question who gets the consequences of actions performed by an individual when that person no longer exists and will not be reborn at all not even in some heavenly world? According to Shakya the Muni, a person gets the karma of their actions in this life - there is rebirth, but not a rebirth of a soul-monad. So, there would be no individual to reap the effects of past karma.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:19 AM, WillyTex wrote: If we were to accept the hocus-pocus about not being a doer, then we'd be forced to conclude that MMY's actions were...pretty far-fetched). Vaj: Yeah. One of the key aspects of a jivanmukti in the Shank. trad. is that s/he has overcome innate demonic tendencies: hypocrisy, conceit, anger, rudeness, etc Apparentltly the Shank you cited has not overcome hypocrisy, conceit, and anger, since this Shank has been arrested and thrown in jail on murder charges. So, we can pretty much discredit anything the Shank of Kanchi would have to say about anyone or anything, right? Wrong. It's Srinigeri math, the only relatively unbroken Shank. line.
[FairfieldLife] Do Psychedelics lead to harder drugs? was: Barry's way of travel through life
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:35 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Do you mean a heroin junkie? In Leary's autobio. Flashbacks, he tells the story of trying heroin--as he wanted to be able to authentically comment on it's use-- and after his first dose he was so leery about the feeling and vibe he got, he flushed the rest of it. I've been trying to figure out the title of the book that discussed Leary's life that talked about the difference between his carefully crafted public image and his actual habits but I can't. I read it almost 20 years ago. I don't doubt that he had many different relationships with drugs including not liking hard drugs. That was his pitch. But as the years went on this book claimed that he began using the hard drugs he publicly spoke against. He also had elaborate rationalizations for why his use was different from other people using them. Uh huh. The guy who wrote it was a friend who became disillusioned with the way Leary treated people close to him, and his hypocrisy about hard drugs. Leary comes off in the book as another guru-type guy with a messiah complex and with all the unpleasant personality traits that seem to commonly go along with viewing yourself as fundamentally superior to the people around you. I'll keep Googling bios to see if I can track it down. I remember that I bought it in a used bookstore so that may be where I need to search for it now. It doesn't come up on Amazon. I'm pretty sure I will recognize the title. In my experience, psychedelics tended to lead to hard drug or alcohol use. That happened to a number of my friends. Acid left them feeling fried, and they enjoyed the relief that downers provided. I dabbled with heroin myself a few times during my 15-day drug abstinence before TM initiation. There's some material for you Nabby!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life
On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:34 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Do you mean a heroin junkie? In Leary's autobio. Flashbacks, he tells the story of trying heroin--as he wanted to be able to authentically comment on it's use-- and after his first dose he was so leery about the feeling and vibe he got, he flushed the rest of it. I've been trying to figure out the title of the book that discussed Leary's life that talked about the difference between his carefully crafted public image and his actual habits but I can't. I read it almost 20 years ago. I don't doubt that he had many different relationships with drugs including not liking hard drugs. That was his pitch. But as the years went on this book claimed that he began using the hard drugs he publicly spoke against. He also had elaborate rationalizations for why his use was different from other people using them. Uh huh. The guy who wrote it was a friend who became disillusioned with the way Leary treated people close to him, and his hypocrisy about hard drugs. Leary comes off in the book as another guru-type guy with a messiah complex and with all the unpleasant personality traits that seem to commonly go along with viewing yourself as fundamentally superior to the people around you. I'll keep Googling bios to see if I can track it down. I remember that I bought it in a used bookstore so that may be where I need to search for it now. It doesn't come up on Amazon. I'm pretty sure I will recognize the title. Certainly interesting if that's the case. I met Leary probably about 10 years before he died, when he was doing his quantum philosopher standup routine. He was very charismatic and a convincing speaker, but still you couldn't help have some sense this was a somewhat fried acid head talking. He might have been the age of my grandfather (well, almost) but he was certainly nothing like him! It was a fascinating routine he had, but overall it just reinforced my feeling that psychedelics are only good for use very briefly. I did like his eight circuit model though.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck
The old wingnut switcheroo, eh? Avoid answering a question by asking another one? I'm not falling for that one. So you must be Tea Partier? IOW, an Idiocrat. Do you actually believe that Glenn Beck is bringing kindness and decency to the world or Rupert Murdoch for that matter or the Koch brothers? Under those terms you would have thought that Hitler and Mussolini were your kind of guys. sgrayatlarge wrote: The question is are you worth anything? What is your worth? What are you doing to bring goodness and decency to the world? What acts of kindness have you done lately? Question everyone has to ask about themselves --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I can't believe that anyone on FFL would be so ignorant as to think that Glenn Beck is worth anything? Did you miss the intellect sutra? sgrayatlarge wrote: Re: Glenn Buck BTW, you and your left leaning friends need to know that little boilerplate rant of your won't be tolerated anymore. You see when you can't articulate an argument you fall into the SIX HIRB, what is that? Well glad you asked, when in doubt and you simply want to shut down an argument here is what happens: Your personal attack goes something like this, label the following, choose your weapon: S-Label as Sexist I-Label is Intolerant X-label as Xenophobic H-Label as Homophobic I-Label as Islamophobic R-Label as Racist B-Label as Bigot It's easy to remember SIX HIRB, so just continue your little tantrums, attack personally and know that it has lost it's , shall we say in Tantric terms- SHAKTI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Hey just turn off the channel and breath Bhairitu, it will be OK --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Of course this is all about money not any real political thing. Glenn Beck is worth $32 million. A case of a sleaze ball millionaire doing the bidding of his master Rupert Murdoch who wants to maintain the status quo which is really against the interests of his followers the Idiocrats (TeaPartiers). Such people are a drag on society as someone we all knew would call them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ron Paul’s Shocking M essage To The Tea Party
Vaj wrote: On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I think things are going to end pretty badly for the Idiocrats. They are definitely being used. I've only watched Beck once and his bottom line was preserve the status quo or IOW keep ol' Rupert rich. Murdoch is just like a villain out of a Bond movie. I wonder how many of these meglomaniacs we are going to suffer through before the people get it right. Let's not forget the Koch Bros And whoever else is hiding behind the curtain. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul’s Shocking Message To The Tea Party
WillyTex wrote: Murdoch is just like a villain out of a Bond movie. I wonder how many of these meglomaniacs we are going to suffer through before the people get it right. You watched Glenn Beck once, but you didn't recognize your own political position agrees with the Tea Party? And how is that? The Tea Party thinks that government is the problem and not Wall Street. Just what the rich folks want, their own set of useful idiots. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Psychedelics lead to harder drugs? was: Barry's way of travel through life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: In my experience, psychedelics tended to lead to hard drug or alcohol use. That happened to a number of my friends. Acid left them feeling fried, and they enjoyed the relief that downers provided. You must've run with a very different crowd than I did, Rick. In myself, my use of psychedelics and grass didn't lead to either, and I never saw it lead to either in any of my friends. My youngest brother smoked grass and then got into heroin, but that was IMO because he was a musician and hung with other musicians who were involved with harder stuff. I dabbled with coke once, long enough to realize the truth of the jokes about coke being God's way of telling you you have too much money. I was not impressed enough to give it a second try. Tried opium once back in the 60s because...well, it was the 60s, and was even less impressed. I was never even tempted to try heroin or pills of any kind. I dabbled with heroin myself a few times during my 15-day drug abstinence before TM initiation. There's some material for you Nabby! Man, that'll give Nabby a boner for a week. :-) I've speculated before that I am possibly the only person here who didn't have to wait 15 days to get initiated. I had already quit using drugs when I ran into TM, so the 15 days weren't relevant. Me. Go figure. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
So, we can pretty much discredit anything the Shank of Kanchi would have to say about anyone or anything, right? Vaj: Wrong. It's Srinigeri math, the only relatively unbroken Shank. line. Allright, so you got mixed up, no big deal, but there is no 'Shank of the South' - you probably meant Shank of the West, at Sringeri, under the present Shankaracharya, Sri Bharati Tirtha, who acceded to the seat in 1989, long after MMY had quit India to live in Vlodrop, NE. Adi Shankara founded four Mathas... http://en.wikipedia.org/wikiAdi_Shankara http://en.wikipedia.org/wikiAdi_Shankara So, we can pretty much discredit anything the you might have to say about MMY and his visits to any Shanks, right? You didn't get specific about actually being at Sringeri or sitting at the feet of the Swami so you could ask him questions , so I'm assuming you read this story somewhere, right? We have been over this before, and you failed to respond. What's up with that? For a different comment about MMY from the Shank of Sringeri, read here: According to Paul G. van Oyen, the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, was very fond of the Maharishi and the Swami Shantanand Saraswati, Guru Dev's successor at Jyotirmath... FairfieldLife/message/238316 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/238316
[FairfieldLife] Jewel talks about her days giggin' in Alaska with Sarah Palin
Yup, they performed together as Sarah Barracudda and The Jewel. Not a happy partnership. As Jewel says, I had to live in my car because of her. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3a0115c21c/betwixt-the-music-jewel-sarah-palin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Pauls Shocking Message To The Tea Party
You watched Glenn Beck once, but you didn't recognize your own political position agrees with the Tea Party? Bhairitu: And how is that? So, you didn't watch Glenn Beck and you've never been to a Tea Party rally - I thought so. The Tea Party thinks that government is the problem and not Wall Street. You're getting really mixed up - it's Ron Paul that thinks big government is the problem. Just what the rich folks want, their own set of useful idiots. Well, I'm not convinced that Ron Paul is an idiot, but the Tea Party is protesting the bankster bailout by Obama, just like you are. Apparently you have not been following the results of the mid-term elections, Pal. Why not get up to speed, and then get back to me?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck
I can't believe that anyone on FFL would be so ignorant as to think that Glenn Beck is worth anything? sgrayatlarge: The question is are you worth anything? What is your worth? What are you doing to bring goodness and decency to the world? Well, when you can't even afford to attend a rally in Washington D.C., I guess you can't contribute much of anything, money-wise, right? It's a fact that most of the charity that goes out in the world comes from rich people like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. I mean, I'm pretty tapped out on donations since Katrina, and Haiti, but I'm still contributing to the United Way through my employee deduction. But, you'd think Barry2 would have something more worthwhile to say about Beck than to get him mixed up with Ron Paul. Go figure. What acts of kindness have you done lately?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
The karma goes to the deceased person's close relatives? That's what MMY said in one of his books. I'm pretty sure it was the Science of Being book. TurquoiseB: So if Maharishi's corrupt uncles start messing with the female disciples they've got an out. And a scriptural one. Joe: You beat me to the punch Barry! That was too easy, just served right up. So, if true, what MMY said about karma is now scripture? What page was that on, Joe? It's Maharishi's leftover karma; we're just victims of it. Pass the blondes please.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's way of travel through life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Certainly interesting if that's the case. I met Leary probably about 10 years before he died, when he was doing his quantum philosopher standup routine. He was very charismatic and a convincing speaker, but still you couldn't help have some sense this was a somewhat fried acid head talking. He might have been the age of my grandfather (well, almost) but he was certainly nothing like him! It was a fascinating routine he had, but overall it just reinforced my feeling that psychedelics are only good for use very briefly. I did like his eight circuit model though. That sounds like fun, I would have liked to have met the guy, he was unusually charismatic. I enjoyed the video of his debate with Gordon Liddy who he toured with for a short time. He was on ecstasy during the filming and appeared to be having entirely too much fun! I read a few of his books and got the impression that he was one of those guys who has more confidence in whatever idea floats though his head than would be warranted by a more careful thinker. He was an enthusiast of any idea he had and I find his writing hard to reconcile with his previous academic success. There is a funny section in one of his books about how when he was arrested one time they tried to give him a psychological test using a test he had designed! I do give him credit with shaping how I approached psychedelics as a serious tool for self inquiry rather than just party drugs. But one downside I see in all elevated states is a tendency for grandiosity. He had a lot of similarities with Maharishi in how he viewed his role in history. I still use one of his quotes for every birthday card I send to this day: You are only as old as the last time your REALLY changed your mind. On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:34 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Do you mean a heroin junkie? In Leary's autobio. Flashbacks, he tells the story of trying heroin--as he wanted to be able to authentically comment on it's use-- and after his first dose he was so leery about the feeling and vibe he got, he flushed the rest of it. I've been trying to figure out the title of the book that discussed Leary's life that talked about the difference between his carefully crafted public image and his actual habits but I can't. I read it almost 20 years ago. I don't doubt that he had many different relationships with drugs including not liking hard drugs. That was his pitch. But as the years went on this book claimed that he began using the hard drugs he publicly spoke against. He also had elaborate rationalizations for why his use was different from other people using them. Uh huh. The guy who wrote it was a friend who became disillusioned with the way Leary treated people close to him, and his hypocrisy about hard drugs. Leary comes off in the book as another guru-type guy with a messiah complex and with all the unpleasant personality traits that seem to commonly go along with viewing yourself as fundamentally superior to the people around you. I'll keep Googling bios to see if I can track it down. I remember that I bought it in a used bookstore so that may be where I need to search for it now. It doesn't come up on Amazon. I'm pretty sure I will recognize the title. Certainly interesting if that's the case. I met Leary probably about 10 years before he died, when he was doing his quantum philosopher standup routine. He was very charismatic and a convincing speaker, but still you couldn't help have some sense this was a somewhat fried acid head talking. He might have been the age of my grandfather (well, almost) but he was certainly nothing like him! It was a fascinating routine he had, but overall it just reinforced my feeling that psychedelics are only good for use very briefly. I did like his eight circuit model though.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Jewel talks about her days giggin' in Alaska with Sarah Palin
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:23 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jewel talks about her days giggin' in Alaska with Sarah Palin Yup, they performed together as Sarah Barracudda and The Jewel. Not a happy partnership. As Jewel says, I had to live in my car because of her. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3a0115c21c/betwixt-the-music-jewel-sarah-pa lin Jewel Kilcher is the niece of Stellavera Kilcher, an TM Governor: http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=718542439 http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=718542439ref=ts ref=ts
[FairfieldLife] Re: Glenn Buck
The question is are you worth anything? Bhairitu: Under those terms you would have thought that Hitler and Mussolini were your kind of guys... So, if you watch Glenn Beck on TV or you attend a Tea Party rally, you're kind of like Hitler and Mussolini, right? And of course, if you attend a Tea Party you're a racist as well. Go figure. No matter what you do, Tea Partiers, Kate Zernike will call you racist... 'New York Times delivers predictably hackish piece on Beck/Tea Party rally' Posted by Glenn Reynolds Instapundit, August 29, 2010 http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/ 'New York Times delivers predictably hackish piece on Beck/Tea Party rally' Washington Examiner, August 28,2010 http://tinyurl.com/298u9sw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
On Aug 31, 2010, at 12:16 PM, WillyTex wrote: So, we can pretty much discredit anything the you might have to say about MMY and his visits to any Shanks, right? Wrong. You're supposed to answer emails BEFORE you drop the acid Willy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jewel talks about her days giggin' in Alaska with Sarah Palin
That was mega-hilarious! I'm gunna Facebook that immediately! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:23 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jewel talks about her days giggin' in Alaska with Sarah Palin Yup, they performed together as Sarah Barracudda and The Jewel. Not a happy partnership. As Jewel says, I had to live in my car because of her. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3a0115c21c/betwixt-the-music-jewel-sarah-pa lin Jewel Kilcher is the niece of Stellavera Kilcher, an TM Governor: http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=718542439 http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=718542439ref=ts ref=ts
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
So, we can pretty much discredit anything the you might have to say about MMY and his visits to any Shanks, right? Vaj: You're supposed to answer emails BEFORE you drop the acid Willy. So, you made a mistake and got mixed up - no need to get angry at me and try to smear me - I've never taken any acid. You are supposed to read the message posted here BEFORE you post your own comments, Vaj.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Do Psychedelics lead to harder drugs? was: Barry's way of travel through life
Rick Archer wrote: In my experience, psychedelics tended to lead to hard drug or alcohol use. That happened to a number of my friends. Acid left them feeling fried, and they enjoyed the relief that downers provided. They should have tried a steak and eggs breakfast. Worked every time. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jewel talks about her days giggin' in Alaska with Sarah Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: That was mega-hilarious! I'm gunna Facebook that immediately! A friend of a friend in L.A. was (and still is) a Class-A Jewel groupie. But the nice kind, so he actually got to know her, and as a result I got to see the lady close-up a few times. *Really* funny, *really* smart, and *really* real. Did you see this other clip she did for Funny Or Die? She dresses up in a disguise and goes to karaoke bars to sing Jewel songs. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4a87d48fdd/undercover-karaoke-with-jewel More recently, this is her singing the other night at the Emmy ceremonies, doing the song to back up their In Memorium tribute. It's interesting that Dennis Hopper gets the biggest hand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8HVdPnuMKQfeature=youtube_gdata_player --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:23 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jewel talks about her days giggin' in Alaska with Sarah Palin Yup, they performed together as Sarah Barracudda and The Jewel. Not a happy partnership. As Jewel says, I had to live in my car because of her. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3a0115c21c/betwixt-the-music-jewel-sarah-pa lin Jewel Kilcher is the niece of Stellavera Kilcher, an TM Governor: http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=718542439 http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=718542439ref=ts ref=ts
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Psychedelics lead to harder drugs? was: Barry's way of travel through life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Rick Archer wrote: In my experience, psychedelics tended to lead to hard drug or alcohol use. That happened to a number of my friends. Acid left them feeling fried, and they enjoyed the relief that downers provided. They should have tried a steak and eggs breakfast. Worked every time. :-D Morning After At Denny's. A California tradition. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jewel talks about her days giggin' in Alaska with Sarah Palin
Curtis: That was mega-hilarious! So, Jewel lived in her car for four years after the band split up, so Sarah could take care of her kids, and it's all Sarah Palin's fault? So, now Jewel hates Sarah and Todd Palin. And they wrote songs together, but Jewel stole all the good parts, like 'you betcha!' and 'going rogue'? But Sarah Palin was elected to be the Governor of Alaska and McCain's running mate as Vice President of the U.S.A., with her picture on the cover of Time, and got a book published that made Sarah a millionaire. But Jewel has sold 27 million albums and has appeared on Saturday Night Live. Very impressive!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Pauls Shocking Message To The Tea Party
Finally, you state your problem! You're on speed! Now it all makes sense, you should have told us in the first place Willy-boy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Why not get up to speed, and then get back to me?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: The karma goes to the deceased person's close relatives? That's what MMY said in one of his books. I'm pretty sure it was the Science of Being book. TurquoiseB: So if Maharishi's corrupt uncles start messing with the female disciples they've got an out. And a scriptural one. Joe: You beat me to the punch Barry! That was too easy, just served right up. So, if true, what MMY said about karma is now scripture? What page was that on, Joe? Page 671.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Pauls Shocking Message To The Tea Party
Why not get up to speed, and then get back to me? Joe: Finally, you state your problem! You're on speed! You don't have to get so angry and upset, Joe. You're what, in your fifties now, but you act like a juvenile sometimes. What's up with that? Why do you have to lie all the time and make stuff up?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Sanchit karma is the stored reserve of karmic sanskara-s. Rather than being just imprints, sanskara-s are described as being the seeds for further actions. However, when a person liberates (jivan-mukta) from misidentification, these seeds are said to be burned and unable to germinate. This is said to be a final state no more necessity for rebirth. This is a agricultural metaphor and is a useful way to consider the idea of living liberation. However, what is not considered is the remaining cause and effect relationship between those former actions and their own specific results/effects. What happens to those effects? The doer is gone a mere fiction that has now disappeared from the arena of actions and their results. Even before that happens, the yogin/yogini realizes that the guna-s only interact among themselves. Yet, up until complete liberation, there were causal actions being performed (even right up to liberation) that will effectuate in the future. The final, manifest effects of these seed-samskaras however cannot be explained by this metaphor since a cause without an effect is philosophically meaningless. Thus the question who gets the consequences of actions performed by an individual when that person no longer exists and will not be reborn at all not even in some heavenly world? Saying everyone somehow gets a little bit of that left over karma is a statement that fails to understand the question. Moral/immoral karma is not simply some kind of consequence which everyone can receive as if it was just like rain on a cloudy day. MMY used to say it goes to the next of kin, but that sounds ridiculous to me. A Sat-Guru can take on karmas that would otherwise require reincarnation for you to work out but I think this is rare, it's a complex subject. An archer has 3 arrows, one in the quiver, one pulled back on the bow and one let loose. The one in the quiver is still subject to freewill, the one pulled back on the bow can be 'burned' out through meditation, the one set free must be effectuated...
[FairfieldLife] King Tony Cometh
King Tony, along with his wife and kids, is coming to Fairfield. The Mansion, which was purchased for $1 million years ago for him to live in (he lived there a few days) is being renovated. Bevan, Neil Paterson, and other bigwigs are also coming to stay there. How long they'll stay I don't know.
[FairfieldLife] Book Banning
The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith's book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551.
[FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony Cometh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: King Tony, along with his wife and kids, is coming to Fairfield. The Mansion, which was purchased for $1 million years ago for him to live in (he lived there a few days) is being renovated. Bevan, Neil Paterson, and other bigwigs are also coming to stay there. How long they'll stay I don't know. Recently I visited the Papal Palace in Avignon, where seven legitimate Popes presided because things had gotten too hot for them in Rome. This beating feet for the countryside led eventually to five illegitmate Popes and what is called the Western Schism. I don't know why this springs to mind, but it does.
Re: [FairfieldLife] King Tony Cometh
On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: King Tony, along with his wife and kids, is coming to Fairfield. The Mansion, which was purchased for $1 million years ago for him to live in (he lived there a few days) is being renovated. Bevan, Neil Paterson, and other bigwigs are also coming to stay there. How long they’ll stay I don’t know. One wonders if any of the commoners will get to see the Royal Family up close... Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Pauls Shocking Message To The Tea Party
You're a juvenile on speed? Now I've seen everything! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Why not get up to speed, and then get back to me? Joe: Finally, you state your problem! You're on speed! You don't have to get so angry and upset, Joe. You're what, in your fifties now, but you act like a juvenile sometimes. What's up with that? Why do you have to lie all the time and make stuff up?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning
On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Rick Archer wrote: The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith’s book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551. WTF?? You're kidding, right?! (No, actually, I don't think you are.) What did she say to you, Rick? Isn't that, um, illegal? I mean, it's a *public* library, right? Who does she think pays her salary? Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony Cometh
Wonder if this is the beginning of the end of the Vlodrop property. If Vlodrop becomes of little use to the Shrivastava/Varma clan you can be assured they'll dump it. (Unless of course they want to use it for a summer house for the clan, in which case they'll still send the rajas packing.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: King Tony, along with his wife and kids, is coming to Fairfield. The Mansion, which was purchased for $1 million years ago for him to live in (he lived there a few days) is being renovated. Bevan, Neil Paterson, and other bigwigs are also coming to stay there. How long they'll stay I don't know.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning
-Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Rick Archer wrote: The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith's book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551. WTF?? You're kidding, right?! (No, actually, I don't think you are.) What did she say to you, Rick? Isn't that, um, illegal? I mean, it's a *public* library, right? Who does she think pays her salary? Not kidding. I had a long talk with her when I first dropped the book off (donated by someone else who wished to remain anonymous). I tried to allay her doubts and concluded the conversation by suggesting she just read the book. A friend stopped in yesterday hoping to check it out, and was told by Rebecca that she wanted to see book reviews because it was a controversial book. Apparently she hadn't read it. I called today and left a message. Call her if you feel so inclined. See what she says. Give her a piece of your mind.
[FairfieldLife] Moore's Law Still Holds
How long can scientists shrink the chips to get more computing power? Eventually, Moore's law will break down. As such, quantum computers will have to take over. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/science/31compute.html?_r=1hpw
[FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning
I'll mail her my review. What's the address? Does she have e-mail? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Rick Archer wrote: The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith's book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551. WTF?? You're kidding, right?! (No, actually, I don't think you are.) What did she say to you, Rick? Isn't that, um, illegal? I mean, it's a *public* library, right? Who does she think pays her salary? Not kidding. I had a long talk with her when I first dropped the book off (donated by someone else who wished to remain anonymous). I tried to allay her doubts and concluded the conversation by suggesting she just read the book. A friend stopped in yesterday hoping to check it out, and was told by Rebecca that she wanted to see book reviews because it was a controversial book. Apparently she hadn't read it. I called today and left a message. Call her if you feel so inclined. See what she says. Give her a piece of your mind.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:10 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning I'll mail her my review. What's the address? Does she have e-mail? http://www2.youseemore.com/fairfield/about.asp?p=13
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Bill: What happens to those effects? Karma is a Buddhist concept, along with samsara and moksha, from the shramana tradition, of which Buddhism and Jainism are continuations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma According to Buddhist teaching, 'karma' has nothing to do with a persons future rebirths. Karma is just the law of cause and effect and everything is subject to this law, from a highly evolved person down to a single blade of grass - there are no exceptions. If there were any kinds of left-over karmic actions in future births these would have to be controlled by the Ishvara, the inner controller. But Buddhism has no such controller - so karma is just Causation, the central philosophy of Buddhism. In order for a person to reap the result of his or her actions in the past, there would have to be a reincarnating soul-monad. But the historical Buddha did not ascribe to this idea. Thus the question who gets the consequences of actions performed by an individual when that person no longer exists and will not be reborn at all not even in some heavenly world? According to Shakya the Muni, a person gets the karma of their actions in this life - there is rebirth, but not a rebirth of a soul-monad. So, there would be no individual to reap the effects of past karma. We never lose the opportunity to express our individuality/monad/ego. Jesus was reborn though he had already achieved Kavalia in a previous life and was now considered an avatar. Whether one chooses to express that individuality again is apparently a matter for the almighty to decide. A jivan-mukti can still have lingering karma if tat-walla-baba is any example.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:10 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning I'll mail her my review. What's the address? Does she have e-mail? http://www2.youseemore.com/fairfield/about.asp?p=13 there's an email the librarian link on http://www2.youseemore.com/fairfield/about.asp
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning
On Aug 31, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Joe wrote: I'll mail her my review. What's the address? Does she have e-mail? Her email is: bhugg...@fairfield.lib.ia.us and the head of the Board, Carol Fischer's, is: cfisc...@cir2.com Am about to do an email myself. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning
On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith's book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551. WTF?? You're kidding, right?! (No, actually, I don't think you are.) What did she say to you, Rick? Isn't that, um, illegal? I mean, it's a *public* library, right? Who does she think pays her salary? Not kidding. I had a long talk with her when I first dropped the book off (donated by someone else who wished to remain anonymous). I tried to allay her doubts and concluded the conversation by suggesting she just read the book. A friend stopped in yesterday hoping to check it out, and was told by Rebecca that she wanted to see book reviews because it was a controversial book. That doesn't even pass the smell test, Rick~~ you mean they have no other controversial books there? Apparently she hadn't read it. I called today and left a message. Call her if you feel so inclined. See what she says. Give her a piece of your mind. Done. Had to leave a verbal message because her voice-mail was all filled up (maybe a good sign?) and am planning on sending an email toot-suite. Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:24 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning On Aug 31, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Joe wrote: I'll mail her my review. What's the address? Does she have e-mail? Her email is: bhugg...@fairfield.lib.ia.us mailto:bhuggins%40fairfield.lib.ia.us and the head of the Board, Carol Fischer's, is: cfisc...@cir2.com mailto:cfischer%40cir2.com Am about to do an email myself. Sal Share what you write with us if you care to.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith's book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551. Not kidding. I had a long talk with her when I first dropped the book off (donated by someone else who wished to remain anonymous). I tried to allay her doubts and concluded the conversation by suggesting she just read the book. A friend stopped in yesterday hoping to check it out, and was told by Rebecca that she wanted to see book reviews because it was a controversial book. That doesn't even pass the smell test, Rick~~ you mean they have no other controversial books there? I'm sure they do. I might suggest they take Huckleberry Finn and J. D. Salinger off the shelves, for starters.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning
On Aug 31, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith's book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551. Not kidding. I had a long talk with her when I first dropped the book off (donated by someone else who wished to remain anonymous). I tried to allay her doubts and concluded the conversation by suggesting she just read the book. A friend stopped in yesterday hoping to check it out, and was told by Rebecca that she wanted to see book reviews because it was a controversial book. That doesn't even pass the smell test, Rick~~ you mean they have no other controversial books there? I’m sure they do. I might suggest they take Huckleberry Finn and J. D. Salinger off the shelves, for starters. Exactly. Controversial is in the eye of the beholder~~ and what's wrong with something being a bit controversial, anyhow? Interestingly, there are *5* books by Glen Beck, 1each by Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Pat Buchanan. All with, IMO, inflammatory-sounding titles. And also several by Bill And Hillary Clinton, with somewhat less inflammatory-sounding titles. So clearly, controversy isn't an issue there. Seems like someone's a bit drunk with power over there. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it
I liked it for many reasons - and now I feel somehow closer to Maharishi. Judith is smart and honest and presents a balanced account, and was obviously in love with MMY. For those who are wondering whether to read it, I can tell you that Judith's account is dignified - no sleaze or unnecessary information. Just an honest, simple accounting. There is positive stuff about MMY, too - kind of a full picture, rather than a one-dimensional guru person. Rob McCutcheon's statement at the end is excellent and so clear and moving. Judith's story matches exactly the things I heard back in the 70's, including the information about June. I had a brief interaction with June on Mallorca and instantly liked her. Back in the 70's a friend of a friend heard these rumors, and he decided to spend as long as it took to find out if they were true. He had done TTC in Mallorca, too. He just did not want to go on wondering and feeling ambivalent. He took about a year, and I suspect he called Judith and I know he went to visit a woman in the Seattle or Portland, Oregon area to talk with her (Belinda). He talked with those in the inner circle on those courses as well. At the end - after interviewing several people in person (he flew to see them) as well as by phone, he had no doubts that several women had been involved with MMY, and he dropped from the TMO. But he would not tell the details of what he had learned - he had promised confidentiality. For me, it was a relief to hear Judith tell her story instead of just hearing rumors and second and third hand accounts all these years. I already believed them to be true, so the book did not shock me. But it brought back memories and -what is really amazing is that it made me regain some of the love and respect I used to feel so intensely for Maharishi - he was a Master but also a human who made some big mistakes, felt guilty, and did not know how to be open about them. The way Judith frames the whole thing just shows that he too had his weaknesses as well as the devotion to Knowledge and the profound impact he has had on so many of our lives. Judith does a too-brief but good job in talking about what Enlightenment might or might not look like - and as has been done here on FFL - proposes that personalities may not be much influenced by the state of Enlightenment. As we have discussed here, Enlightenment might be a way of perceiving Reality, but not a makeover of one's personality. I finished it and felt as if the air had been cleared. What I am still curious about is what it felt like to be around MMY as much as she was. Did she feel intense darshan, have bliss or unboundedness as a result, did it change her spiritual life while in his presence? These she did not go in to. Now, I would be curious to know if someone will be doing a book on the money in the TMO.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it I liked it for many reasons - and now I feel somehow closer to Maharishi. Judith is smart and honest and presents a balanced account, and was obviously in love with MMY. For those who are wondering whether to read it, I can tell you that Judith's account is dignified - no sleaze or unnecessary information. Just an honest, simple accounting. There is positive stuff about MMY, too - kind of a full picture, rather than a one-dimensional guru person. Rob McCutcheon's statement at the end is excellent and so clear and moving. Judith's story matches exactly the things I heard back in the 70's, including the information about June. I had a brief interaction with June on Mallorca and instantly liked her. Back in the 70's a friend of a friend heard these rumors, and he decided to spend as long as it took to find out if they were true. He had done TTC in Mallorca, too. He just did not want to go on wondering and feeling ambivalent. He took about a year, and I suspect he called Judith and I know he went to visit a woman in the Seattle or Portland, Oregon area to talk with her (Belinda). He talked with those in the inner circle on those courses as well. At the end - after interviewing several people in person (he flew to see them) as well as by phone, he had no doubts that several women had been involved with MMY, and he dropped from the TMO. But he would not tell the details of what he had learned - he had promised confidentiality. For me, it was a relief to hear Judith tell her story instead of just hearing rumors and second and third hand accounts all these years. I already believed them to be true, so the book did not shock me. But it brought back memories and -what is really amazing is that it made me regain some of the love and respect I used to feel so intensely for Maharishi - he was a Master but also a human who made some big mistakes, felt guilty, and did not know how to be open about them. The way Judith frames the whole thing just shows that he too had his weaknesses as well as the devotion to Knowledge and the profound impact he has had on so many of our lives. Judith does a too-brief but good job in talking about what Enlightenment might or might not look like - and as has been done here on FFL - proposes that personalities may not be much influenced by the state of Enlightenment. As we have discussed here, Enlightenment might be a way of perceiving Reality, but not a makeover of one's personality. I finished it and felt as if the air had been cleared. What I am still curious about is what it felt like to be around MMY as much as she was. Did she feel intense darshan, have bliss or unboundedness as a result, did it change her spiritual life while in his presence? These she did not go in to. I asked her about that and she said she just loved him. She didn't relate to the experience in terms of darshan. Now, I would be curious to know if someone will be doing a book on the money in the TMO. We'll have to wait until Benny Feldman (Kuberaji) drops out. Would you be willing to send this review to the FF Librarian Rebecca Huggins (see recent book banning posts): bhugg...@fairfield.lib.ia.us mailto:bhuggins%40fairfield.lib.ia.us
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith's book - I just read it
Thanks Wayback! Excellent review and it mirrors many of my own feelings after reading it. I liked the little bit Judith wrote about MMY using different colored pens when writing to himself about different aspects of the knowledge. She wrote that he must have done it just for the fun of it since he wouldn't have thought anyone was going to see the notes. A book on the TMO and money? Hell yes, but you wonder how safe anyone would be from the MMY family mafia if anyone dared to do it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: I liked it for many reasons - and now I feel somehow closer to Maharishi. Judith is smart and honest and presents a balanced account, and was obviously in love with MMY. For those who are wondering whether to read it, I can tell you that Judith's account is dignified - no sleaze or unnecessary information. Just an honest, simple accounting. There is positive stuff about MMY, too - kind of a full picture, rather than a one-dimensional guru person. Rob McCutcheon's statement at the end is excellent and so clear and moving. Judith's story matches exactly the things I heard back in the 70's, including the information about June. I had a brief interaction with June on Mallorca and instantly liked her. Back in the 70's a friend of a friend heard these rumors, and he decided to spend as long as it took to find out if they were true. He had done TTC in Mallorca, too. He just did not want to go on wondering and feeling ambivalent. He took about a year, and I suspect he called Judith and I know he went to visit a woman in the Seattle or Portland, Oregon area to talk with her (Belinda). He talked with those in the inner circle on those courses as well. At the end - after interviewing several people in person (he flew to see them) as well as by phone, he had no doubts that several women had been involved with MMY, and he dropped from the TMO. But he would not tell the details of what he had learned - he had promised confidentiality. For me, it was a relief to hear Judith tell her story instead of just hearing rumors and second and third hand accounts all these years. I already believed them to be true, so the book did not shock me. But it brought back memories and -what is really amazing is that it made me regain some of the love and respect I used to feel so intensely for Maharishi - he was a Master but also a human who made some big mistakes, felt guilty, and did not know how to be open about them. The way Judith frames the whole thing just shows that he too had his weaknesses as well as the devotion to Knowledge and the profound impact he has had on so many of our lives. Judith does a too-brief but good job in talking about what Enlightenment might or might not look like - and as has been done here on FFL - proposes that personalities may not be much influenced by the state of Enlightenment. As we have discussed here, Enlightenment might be a way of perceiving Reality, but not a makeover of one's personality. I finished it and felt as if the air had been cleared. What I am still curious about is what it felt like to be around MMY as much as she was. Did she feel intense darshan, have bliss or unboundedness as a result, did it change her spiritual life while in his presence? These she did not go in to. Now, I would be curious to know if someone will be doing a book on the money in the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith's book - I just read it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it I liked it for many reasons - and now I feel somehow closer to Maharishi. Judith is smart and honest and presents a balanced account, and was obviously in love with MMY. For those who are wondering whether to read it, I can tell you that Judith's account is dignified - no sleaze or unnecessary information. Just an honest, simple accounting. There is positive stuff about MMY, too - kind of a full picture, rather than a one-dimensional guru person. Rob McCutcheon's statement at the end is excellent and so clear and moving. Judith's story matches exactly the things I heard back in the 70's, including the information about June. I had a brief interaction with June on Mallorca and instantly liked her. Back in the 70's a friend of a friend heard these rumors, and he decided to spend as long as it took to find out if they were true. He had done TTC in Mallorca, too. He just did not want to go on wondering and feeling ambivalent. He took about a year, and I suspect he called Judith and I know he went to visit a woman in the Seattle or Portland, Oregon area to talk with her (Belinda). He talked with those in the inner circle on those courses as well. At the end - after interviewing several people in person (he flew to see them) as well as by phone, he had no doubts that several women had been involved with MMY, and he dropped from the TMO. But he would not tell the details of what he had learned - he had promised confidentiality. For me, it was a relief to hear Judith tell her story instead of just hearing rumors and second and third hand accounts all these years. I already believed them to be true, so the book did not shock me. But it brought back memories and -what is really amazing is that it made me regain some of the love and respect I used to feel so intensely for Maharishi - he was a Master but also a human who made some big mistakes, felt guilty, and did not know how to be open about them. The way Judith frames the whole thing just shows that he too had his weaknesses as well as the devotion to Knowledge and the profound impact he has had on so many of our lives. Judith does a too-brief but good job in talking about what Enlightenment might or might not look like - and as has been done here on FFL - proposes that personalities may not be much influenced by the state of Enlightenment. As we have discussed here, Enlightenment might be a way of perceiving Reality, but not a makeover of one's personality. I finished it and felt as if the air had been cleared. What I am still curious about is what it felt like to be around MMY as much as she was. Did she feel intense darshan, have bliss or unboundedness as a result, did it change her spiritual life while in his presence? These she did not go in to. I asked her about that and she said she just loved him. She didn't relate to the experience in terms of darshan. Now, I would be curious to know if someone will be doing a book on the money in the TMO. We'll have to wait until Benny Feldman (Kuberaji) drops out. Would you be willing to send this review to the FF Librarian Rebecca Huggins (see recent book banning posts): bhugg...@... mailto:bhuggins%40fairfield.lib.ia.us Yes, I will send it to her this evening.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith's book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551. Not kidding. I had a long talk with her when I first dropped the book off (donated by someone else who wished to remain anonymous). I tried to allay her doubts and concluded the conversation by suggesting she just read the book. A friend stopped in yesterday hoping to check it out, and was told by Rebecca that she wanted to see book reviews because it was a controversial book. That doesn't even pass the smell test, Rick~~ you mean they have no other controversial books there? I'm sure they do. I might suggest they take Huckleberry Finn and J. D. Salinger off the shelves, for starters. My respect and admiration for you is quite high and continues to grow Rick. You might point out to Rebecca that September holds the American Library Association's Banned Books Week. The ALA takes intellectual freedom very seriously. http://www.ala.org/ala/issuesadvocacy/banned/bannedbooksweek/index.cfm http://snipurl.com/111rqe
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
So, if true, what MMY said about karma is now scripture? What page was that on, Joe? Joe: Page 671. In a 432 page paperback? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it
Wayback, I had the same reaction as you to Judith's book: I felt closer to Maharishi. It is a very good book, not sleazy or tabloidish at all. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, wayback71 waybac...@yahoo.com wrote: From: wayback71 waybac...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 6:33 PM I liked it for many reasons - and now I feel somehow closer to Maharishi. Judith is smart and honest and presents a balanced account, and was obviously in love with MMY. For those who are wondering whether to read it, I can tell you that Judith's account is dignified - no sleaze or unnecessary information. Just an honest, simple accounting. There is positive stuff about MMY, too - kind of a full picture, rather than a one-dimensional guru person. Rob McCutcheon's statement at the end is excellent and so clear and moving. Judith's story matches exactly the things I heard back in the 70's, including the information about June. I had a brief interaction with June on Mallorca and instantly liked her. Back in the 70's a friend of a friend heard these rumors, and he decided to spend as long as it took to find out if they were true. He had done TTC in Mallorca, too. He just did not want to go on wondering and feeling ambivalent. He took about a year, and I suspect he called Judith and I know he went to visit a woman in the Seattle or Portland, Oregon area to talk with her (Belinda). He talked with those in the inner circle on those courses as well. At the end - after interviewing several people in person (he flew to see them) as well as by phone, he had no doubts that several women had been involved with MMY, and he dropped from the TMO. But he would not tell the details of what he had learned - he had promised confidentiality. For me, it was a relief to hear Judith tell her story instead of just hearing rumors and second and third hand accounts all these years. I already believed them to be true, so the book did not shock me. But it brought back memories and -what is really amazing is that it made me regain some of the love and respect I used to feel so intensely for Maharishi - he was a Master but also a human who made some big mistakes, felt guilty, and did not know how to be open about them. The way Judith frames the whole thing just shows that he too had his weaknesses as well as the devotion to Knowledge and the profound impact he has had on so many of our lives. Judith does a too-brief but good job in talking about what Enlightenment might or might not look like - and as has been done here on FFL - proposes that personalities may not be much influenced by the state of Enlightenment. As we have discussed here, Enlightenment might be a way of perceiving Reality, but not a makeover of one's personality. I finished it and felt as if the air had been cleared. What I am still curious about is what it felt like to be around MMY as much as she was. Did she feel intense darshan, have bliss or unboundedness as a result, did it change her spiritual life while in his presence? These she did not go in to. Now, I would be curious to know if someone will be doing a book on the money in the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning
Any relation to Sue and Peter Huggins? --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:11 PM The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith’s book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551.
[FairfieldLife] Too Fat to Fight
The Army is scaling down the rigors of training for new recruits. It appeats that the XBox generation recruits' diets are high on sugar and low on other nutrients. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/us/31soldier.html?_r=1src=meref=homepage
RE: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning Any relation to Sue and Peter Huggins? I don’t think so. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Book Banning To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:11 PM The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith’s book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it Wayback, I had the same reaction as you to Judith's book: I felt closer to Maharishi. It is a very good book, not sleazy or tabloidish at all. BUT, how would you feel if you sent your 20-year-old daughter off to TTC and she ended up becoming one of his concubines? --- On Tue, 8/31/10, wayback71 waybac...@yahoo.com mailto:wayback71%40yahoo.com wrote: From: wayback71 waybac...@yahoo.com mailto:wayback71%40yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 6:33 PM I liked it for many reasons - and now I feel somehow closer to Maharishi. Judith is smart and honest and presents a balanced account, and was obviously in love with MMY. For those who are wondering whether to read it, I can tell you that Judith's account is dignified - no sleaze or unnecessary information. Just an honest, simple accounting. There is positive stuff about MMY, too - kind of a full picture, rather than a one-dimensional guru person. Rob McCutcheon's statement at the end is excellent and so clear and moving. Judith's story matches exactly the things I heard back in the 70's, including the information about June. I had a brief interaction with June on Mallorca and instantly liked her. Back in the 70's a friend of a friend heard these rumors, and he decided to spend as long as it took to find out if they were true. He had done TTC in Mallorca, too. He just did not want to go on wondering and feeling ambivalent. He took about a year, and I suspect he called Judith and I know he went to visit a woman in the Seattle or Portland, Oregon area to talk with her (Belinda). He talked with those in the inner circle on those courses as well. At the end - after interviewing several people in person (he flew to see them) as well as by phone, he had no doubts that several women had been involved with MMY, and he dropped from the TMO. But he would not tell the details of what he had learned - he had promised confidentiality. For me, it was a relief to hear Judith tell her story instead of just hearing rumors and second and third hand accounts all these years. I already believed them to be true, so the book did not shock me. But it brought back memories and -what is really amazing is that it made me regain some of the love and respect I used to feel so intensely for Maharishi - he was a Master but also a human who made some big mistakes, felt guilty, and did not know how to be open about them. The way Judith frames the whole thing just shows that he too had his weaknesses as well as the devotion to Knowledge and the profound impact he has had on so many of our lives. Judith does a too-brief but good job in talking about what Enlightenment might or might not look like - and as has been done here on FFL - proposes that personalities may not be much influenced by the state of Enlightenment. As we have discussed here, Enlightenment might be a way of perceiving Reality, but not a makeover of one's personality. I finished it and felt as if the air had been cleared. What I am still curious about is what it felt like to be around MMY as much as she was. Did she feel intense darshan, have bliss or unboundedness as a result, did it change her spiritual life while in his presence? These she did not go in to. Now, I would be curious to know if someone will be doing a book on the money in the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning
At some point, it may be more effective to mail the FF Ledger and make the public aware of the situation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:24 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning On Aug 31, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Joe wrote: I'll mail her my review. What's the address? Does she have e-mail? Her email is: bhugg...@... mailto:bhuggins%40fairfield.lib.ia.us and the head of the Board, Carol Fischer's, is: cfisc...@... mailto:cfischer%40cir2.com Am about to do an email myself. Sal Share what you write with us if you care to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith's book - I just read it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Thanks Wayback! Excellent review and it mirrors many of my own feelings after reading it. I liked the little bit Judith wrote about MMY using different colored pens when writing to himself about different aspects of the knowledge. She wrote that he must have done it just for the fun of it since he wouldn't have thought anyone was going to see the notes. I recall seeing Maharishi use the different colored pens - I think he began this when taping SCI, which was about May of 1972, in Fiuggi. A book on the TMO and money? Hell yes, but you wonder how safe anyone would be from the MMY family mafia if anyone dared to do it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: I liked it for many reasons - and now I feel somehow closer to Maharishi. Judith is smart and honest and presents a balanced account, and was obviously in love with MMY. For those who are wondering whether to read it, I can tell you that Judith's account is dignified - no sleaze or unnecessary information. Just an honest, simple accounting. There is positive stuff about MMY, too - kind of a full picture, rather than a one-dimensional guru person. Rob McCutcheon's statement at the end is excellent and so clear and moving. Judith's story matches exactly the things I heard back in the 70's, including the information about June. I had a brief interaction with June on Mallorca and instantly liked her. Back in the 70's a friend of a friend heard these rumors, and he decided to spend as long as it took to find out if they were true. He had done TTC in Mallorca, too. He just did not want to go on wondering and feeling ambivalent. He took about a year, and I suspect he called Judith and I know he went to visit a woman in the Seattle or Portland, Oregon area to talk with her (Belinda). He talked with those in the inner circle on those courses as well. At the end - after interviewing several people in person (he flew to see them) as well as by phone, he had no doubts that several women had been involved with MMY, and he dropped from the TMO. But he would not tell the details of what he had learned - he had promised confidentiality. For me, it was a relief to hear Judith tell her story instead of just hearing rumors and second and third hand accounts all these years. I already believed them to be true, so the book did not shock me. But it brought back memories and -what is really amazing is that it made me regain some of the love and respect I used to feel so intensely for Maharishi - he was a Master but also a human who made some big mistakes, felt guilty, and did not know how to be open about them. The way Judith frames the whole thing just shows that he too had his weaknesses as well as the devotion to Knowledge and the profound impact he has had on so many of our lives. Judith does a too-brief but good job in talking about what Enlightenment might or might not look like - and as has been done here on FFL - proposes that personalities may not be much influenced by the state of Enlightenment. As we have discussed here, Enlightenment might be a way of perceiving Reality, but not a makeover of one's personality. I finished it and felt as if the air had been cleared. What I am still curious about is what it felt like to be around MMY as much as she was. Did she feel intense darshan, have bliss or unboundedness as a result, did it change her spiritual life while in his presence? These she did not go in to. Now, I would be curious to know if someone will be doing a book on the money in the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti?
Good lord man, read the hardback! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: So, if true, what MMY said about karma is now scripture? What page was that on, Joe? Joe: Page 671. In a 432 page paperback? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Book Banning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: The chief librarian of the FF public library, Rebecca Huggins, who is a TM teacher, is refusing to put Judith's book on the shelf. If you want to read it and you think she should make it available, call and tell her so: 641-472-6551. I doubt it will do any good to call her... Stuff like this is usually only solved by going above her... If you seriously want the book to be available, find out who is her boss, and then something will move... Remember the principle from SCI- 'Highest First'... Actually when I first read the title of this post, I thought it said, Book Burning...uh, oh! Many people in the TMO, have lost the desire to seek the truth, and would rather hold tight to the dogma... That's why 'Enlightenment' won't change personalities, if one gives up on seeking the Truth... Some people don't want the truth, if disturbs their fantasy... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony Cometh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: King Tony, along with his wife and kids, is coming to Fairfield. The Mansion, which was purchased for $1 million years ago for him to live in (he lived there a few days) is being renovated. Bevan, Neil Paterson, and other bigwigs are also coming to stay there. How long they'll stay I don't know. One wonders if any of the commoners will get to see the Royal Family up close... Sal I wonder what Guru Dev, would think about all of this worship of power and money... I wonder if Guru Dev would even be accepted to be in the Dome? The whole thing is so strange when you think or feel about it... Since we are all supposed to be part of the 'One' of 'Unity Consciousness'... When all this seperation is prevelant, it's makes it into a folly... A sad folly. R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter *Sent:* Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:48 PM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it Wayback, I had the same reaction as you to Judith's book: I felt closer to Maharishi. It is a very good book, not sleazy or tabloidish at all. BUT, how would you feel if you sent your 20-year-old daughter off to TTC and she ended up becoming one of his concubines? But, how would you feel if you sent your 20-year-old son or daughter off to teacher training course or better yet a Six Month Course and he/she came back a paranoid, holier than though (at least holier than mere meditators) member of a cult which maintains that the idiom of the current age is Science, so throw some pseudo Science at the masses. What if you sent your dear child to TTC and they became international money launderers and couriers of large amount of cash across national boundaries?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith's book - I just read it
Damn it! No sleaze? Not worth reading then... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Wayback, I had the same reaction as you to Judith's book: I felt closer to Maharishi. It is a very good book, not sleazy or tabloidish at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith's book - I just read it
Indeed. All great questions to ponder. And I think we all know the answers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter *Sent:* Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:48 PM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Judith's book - I just read it Wayback, I had the same reaction as you to Judith's book: I felt closer to Maharishi. It is a very good book, not sleazy or tabloidish at all. BUT, how would you feel if you sent your 20-year-old daughter off to TTC and she ended up becoming one of his concubines? But, how would you feel if you sent your 20-year-old son or daughter off to teacher training course or better yet a Six Month Course and he/she came back a paranoid, holier than though (at least holier than mere meditators) member of a cult which maintains that the idiom of the current age is Science, so throw some pseudo Science at the masses. What if you sent your dear child to TTC and they became international money launderers and couriers of large amount of cash across national boundaries?
[FairfieldLife] 13 Indigenous Grandmothers come to Fairfield!
http://www.gmdousa.org/ http://www.gmdousa.org/indigenous-grandmothers/speakers.html
