[FairfieldLife] B*

[Champs Ulysses Cabinatan]

 *In the Beginning was the word,*

*says the holy Book. *

*With every utterance of let there Be,*

*The universe  came to be.*

*Let there Be light, and there was light***

*Big Bang!*

* *

*Man then was blessed and was given dominion*

*To every Beast in the field*

*ABel the shepherd offer the Best firstBorn lamB*

*Abraham, the patriarch faithfully oBeyed*

*To our ABBa father in heaven.*

* *

* *

*Wrong use of power*

*To built*

*Is like Building the tower **Of Babel*

*Intended to reach up to heaven*

*Ballistic!*

*Pride is a black hole it Breaks human dreams and amBitions***

* *

* *

*Breath and Blood*

*The necessities of human life*

*Beauty, Benevolence, Brilliance, *

*AdmiraBle Behavior, exuBerant *

* *

*Beach, bed, bath and books*
*Be beaming, be grateful, *
*enjoy life’s breeze*
*and offer the best*
**
**
*As letter B precedes letter C** *
*Creation starts with let there Be*
**

* *

*~Champs Ulysses Cabinatan*

**free verse/ yule’s poem experiment*



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[raviyogi2009]

Aah, what would my work life be without my favorite utility grep..:-).
On that mundane note let me not post until next week - I have made my
point.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Except that the script just pulls info from a log that has more
> information.  I had thought about adding another section into the
script
> that would have provided an email dump too for Alex to use if he
> suspects something.  However this can also be done simply using grep.
>
> On 01/26/2011 09:36 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote:
> > Well I already did..:-). All you have to do is hide my email and
your
> > scripts lists me as 2 different persons.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
> >> I wrote the PHP script and the possibility is known so don't try to
> >> cheat.  It's more that Yahoo has a weird way of dealing with
accounts.
> >> For instance you have to use a different handle if you log in via
> > email
> >> and via web.  If I post using the web I have a lower case 'b'.
> >>
> >> On 01/26/2011 07:37 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote:
> >>> So I can brazenly cheat and post up to 100 messages - hope Judy
and
> > all
> >>> other sprint to 50 posters pay attention to this..:-)
> >>> My count
> >>> 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 3 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009no_reply@ 
wrote:
>  I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post
> >>> count.
>  Notice the following
> > 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
> > 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>  I have seen something similar with yifuxero&   Yifu Xero combo as
> > well.
>  So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts
so
> >>> far
>  would be as follows
>  49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>  :-)
>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount
ffl.postcount@
>  wrote:
> > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > ===
> > Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011
> > End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011
> > 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011
> >
> > 48 authfriend jstein@
> > 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@
> > 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
> > 34 yifuxero yifuxero@
> > 32 WillyTex willytex@
> > 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@
> > 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 24 Vaj vajradhatu@
> > 24 Rick Archer rick@
> > 21 sparaig LEnglish5@
> > 20 Bhairitu noozguru@
> > 17 Peter drpetersutphen@
> > 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@
> > 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
> > 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@
> > 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@
> > 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
> > 10 wgm4u wgm4u@
> > 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 10 Joe geezerfreak@
> >7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
> >6 PaliGap compost1uk@
> >3 martyboi martyboi@
> >2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >2 raunchydog raunchydog@
> >2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >2 jpgillam jpgillam@
> >2 feste37 feste37@
> >2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@
> >2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
> >2 John jr_esq@
> >2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@
> >2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@
> >1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@
> >1 seekliberation seekliberation@
> >1 parsleysage meowthirteen@
> >1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >1 m 13 meowthirteen@
> >1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >1 SwedaK sweda108@
> >1 Robert babajii_99@
> >1 Dick Mays dickmays@
> >
> > Posters: 46
> > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> > =
> > Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> > US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> > Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> > Standard Time (Winter):
> > US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> > Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> > For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Bhairitu]

Except that the script just pulls info from a log that has more 
information.  I had thought about adding another section into the script 
that would have provided an email dump too for Alex to use if he 
suspects something.  However this can also be done simply using grep.

On 01/26/2011 09:36 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote:
> Well I already did..:-). All you have to do is hide my email and your
> scripts lists me as 2 different persons.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> I wrote the PHP script and the possibility is known so don't try to
>> cheat.  It's more that Yahoo has a weird way of dealing with accounts.
>> For instance you have to use a different handle if you log in via
> email
>> and via web.  If I post using the web I have a lower case 'b'.
>>
>> On 01/26/2011 07:37 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote:
>>> So I can brazenly cheat and post up to 100 messages - hope Judy and
> all
>>> other sprint to 50 posters pay attention to this..:-)
>>> My count
>>> 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 3 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009no_reply@  wrote:
 I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post
>>> count.
 Notice the following
> 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
> 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 I have seen something similar with yifuxero&   Yifu Xero combo as
> well.
 So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts so
>>> far
 would be as follows
 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 :-)
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@
 wrote:
> Fairfield Life Post Counter
> ===
> Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011
> End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011
> 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011
>
> 48 authfriend jstein@
> 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@
> 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
> 34 yifuxero yifuxero@
> 32 WillyTex willytex@
> 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@
> 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 24 Vaj vajradhatu@
> 24 Rick Archer rick@
> 21 sparaig LEnglish5@
> 20 Bhairitu noozguru@
> 17 Peter drpetersutphen@
> 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@
> 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
> 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@
> 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@
> 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
> 10 wgm4u wgm4u@
> 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 10 Joe geezerfreak@
>7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
>6 PaliGap compost1uk@
>3 martyboi martyboi@
>2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>2 raunchydog raunchydog@
>2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>2 jpgillam jpgillam@
>2 feste37 feste37@
>2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@
>2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
>2 John jr_esq@
>2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@
>2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@
>1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@
>1 seekliberation seekliberation@
>1 parsleysage meowthirteen@
>1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>1 m 13 meowthirteen@
>1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>1 SwedaK sweda108@
>1 Robert babajii_99@
>1 Dick Mays dickmays@
>
> Posters: 46
> Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> =
> Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> Standard Time (Winter):
> US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[raviyogi2009]

Well I already did..:-). All you have to do is hide my email and your
scripts lists me as 2 different persons.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> I wrote the PHP script and the possibility is known so don't try to
> cheat.  It's more that Yahoo has a weird way of dealing with accounts.
> For instance you have to use a different handle if you log in via
email
> and via web.  If I post using the web I have a lower case 'b'.
>
> On 01/26/2011 07:37 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote:
> > So I can brazenly cheat and post up to 100 messages - hope Judy and
all
> > other sprint to 50 posters pay attention to this..:-)
> > My count
> > 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 3 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009no_reply@  wrote:
> >> I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post
> > count.
> >> Notice the following
> >>> 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
> >>> 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >> I have seen something similar with yifuxero&  Yifu Xero combo as
well.
> >> So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts so
> > far
> >> would be as follows
> >> 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >> :-)
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@
> >> wrote:
> >>> Fairfield Life Post Counter
> >>> ===
> >>> Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011
> >>> End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011
> >>> 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011
> >>>
> >>> 48 authfriend jstein@
> >>> 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@
> >>> 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>> 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
> >>> 34 yifuxero yifuxero@
> >>> 32 WillyTex willytex@
> >>> 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@
> >>> 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>> 24 Vaj vajradhatu@
> >>> 24 Rick Archer rick@
> >>> 21 sparaig LEnglish5@
> >>> 20 Bhairitu noozguru@
> >>> 17 Peter drpetersutphen@
> >>> 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@
> >>> 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
> >>> 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>> 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>> 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@
> >>> 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@
> >>> 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
> >>> 10 wgm4u wgm4u@
> >>> 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>> 10 Joe geezerfreak@
> >>>   7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
> >>>   6 PaliGap compost1uk@
> >>>   3 martyboi martyboi@
> >>>   2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>>   2 raunchydog raunchydog@
> >>>   2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>>   2 jpgillam jpgillam@
> >>>   2 feste37 feste37@
> >>>   2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@
> >>>   2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
> >>>   2 John jr_esq@
> >>>   2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@
> >>>   2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@
> >>>   1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>>   1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@
> >>>   1 seekliberation seekliberation@
> >>>   1 parsleysage meowthirteen@
> >>>   1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>>   1 m 13 meowthirteen@
> >>>   1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >>>   1 SwedaK sweda108@
> >>>   1 Robert babajii_99@
> >>>   1 Dick Mays dickmays@
> >>>
> >>> Posters: 46
> >>> Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> >>> =
> >>> Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> >>> US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> >>> Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> >>> Standard Time (Winter):
> >>> US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> >>> Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> >>> For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
> >>>
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Now wwwiii. a minute!. I said "both", not (below): "primarily an 
> individual wave". You said that, Rory. Don't put words into my mouth.

* * * Yes; you said both: I am not disputing that, merely fine-tuning the 
expression you gave, which was, "I am an individual wave on/as the Ocean of 
Being" -- which I felt might be ascribing too much primacy to an "I"  and not 
enough to our Being.

> The fact remains, the statement "I am not an individual" is incorrect, no 
> matter which way "one" looks at it. 

* * * Experientially, though, it is quite correct; that is, it describes a 
legitimate aspect of Awakening, in which one feels gut-deep as if one has lost 
one's old I-point; the separate wave has utterly dissolved into the ocean. When 
one looks inside immediately after Awakening, there is Nothing there. No 
center, no self, no private I-ness. Eventually one rummages around and produces 
the remnants of an I and puts it on, like an old wrinkled shirt, so we can 
continue the drama, but never again "are" we that I, not in any conventional 
sense of the word, anyhow. And that I is now or soon appreciated as a charming 
collapse of the Whole, containing the Whole together with all of its particles 
or "other" I's.

>>The question of "which primarily" is an interesting question which should be 
>>gone into further and I welcome your additional take on that 
>>subject...(again, something not adequately dwelled upon by MMY), and where 
>>you can help shore up some of the missing pieces in the puzzle of life.

* * * I generally find that Life perfectly unfolds itself to itself, and gives 
us everything we need, exactly when we need it :-)


 "I am an individual wave on/as the Ocean of Being"
> Well done!
> ...
> I've forgotten MMY's exact words wrt to the "primarily" aspect.  Adi Da uses 
> the word "outshine"; but that deserves more clarification. Unfortunately, 
> he's physically dead. Never met the man personally but in spite of his 
> faults, he was definitely a powerful dude. 

* * * Yes, I used to enjoy reading his material a lot; always got a strong 
direct transmission from it. This despite the fact he was apparently one of the 
more dysfunctional gurus around, from what I have read, anyhow :-)

 
> The holographic nature of existence is obvious
> but thx again!

* * * My pleasure!


> http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_4_jw34.html
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > "I am an individual wave on/as the Ocean of Being" is a legitimate 
> > expression, of course, particularly the "as" aspect, but it rather fails to 
> > capture the fractal/holographic/quantum nature of the wave/Ocean, and of 
> > our understanding that truly, we are *not* primarily an individual wave; we 
> > are primarily the ocean, primarily Us. In fact, as we become more 
> > acclimated to Us, we understand more and more clearly that we are also 
> > every one of the I-waves in Us. So "We are trillions of individual I-waves 
> > singing harmoniously, ecstatically, eternally, and simultaneously from and 
> > as the Ocean of Being" is close to what I really mean when I say "I" ... 
> > but it is a lot quicker just to say "I" :-)
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > >
> > > thx, right...; but saying "no individuality" only emphasizes the depth of 
> > > the ocean part, rejecting the waves. Both exist, and should be 
> > > recognized. Therefore, imo; a correct statement would be:
> > > "I am an individual wave on/as the Ocean of Being".; not "I'm not an 
> > > individual".
> > > ...
> > > Here's a neat "saying" I've dreamed up: "When choosing between this or 
> > > that, sometimes both are appropriate, together".
> > > ...
> > > I'll probably take a vacation tomorrow from this...getting too close to 
> > > 50; so I'll put in an oceanic/wave artwork.
> > >  http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_4_jw34.html
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Yifuxero. I believe I do understand what Dr. Pete means by not 
> > > > being an individual; it's hard to pretend we're still primarily a wave 
> > > > when the ocean of Being remembers itself as Us through Us, and Us ia 
> > > > all there is, and the individual wave we thought we were is but one of 
> > > > countless billions of Us -- one which has now returned to the ocean. 
> > > > 
> > > > Only a wave rises and falls; this is a spacetime (or individual) 
> > > > experience(s), whereas the ocean simply IS, and there is no return from 
> > > > That; what IS is not an experience which comes and goes; it simply IS, 
> > > > beyond all and yet embracing all experience(s) :-)
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thx, Rory, good answer!  May Jesus Christ Bless you and Dr. Pete (the 
> > > > > dude who thinks he's not an individual). I'd s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[yifuxero]

Now wwwiii. a minute!. I said "both", not (below): "primarily an 
individual wave". You said that, Rory. Don't put words into my mouth.
...
The fact remains, the statement "I am not an individual" is incorrect, no 
matter which way "one" looks at it. The question of "which primarily" is an 
interesting question which should be gone into further and I welcome your 
additional take on that subject...(again, something not adequately dwelled upon 
by MMY), and where you can help shore up some of the missing pieces in the 
puzzle of life.
Well done!
...
I've forgotten MMY's exact words wrt to the "primarily" aspect.  Adi Da uses 
the word "outshine"; but that deserves more clarification. Unfortunately, he's 
physically dead. Never met the man personally but in spite of his faults, he 
was definitely a powerful dude. 
 
The holographic nature of existence is obvious
but thx again!
http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_4_jw34.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> "I am an individual wave on/as the Ocean of Being" is a legitimate 
> expression, of course, particularly the "as" aspect, but it rather fails to 
> capture the fractal/holographic/quantum nature of the wave/Ocean, and of our 
> understanding that truly, we are *not* primarily an individual wave; we are 
> primarily the ocean, primarily Us. In fact, as we become more acclimated to 
> Us, we understand more and more clearly that we are also every one of the 
> I-waves in Us. So "We are trillions of individual I-waves singing 
> harmoniously, ecstatically, eternally, and simultaneously from and as the 
> Ocean of Being" is close to what I really mean when I say "I" ... but it is a 
> lot quicker just to say "I" :-)
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > thx, right...; but saying "no individuality" only emphasizes the depth of 
> > the ocean part, rejecting the waves. Both exist, and should be recognized. 
> > Therefore, imo; a correct statement would be:
> > "I am an individual wave on/as the Ocean of Being".; not "I'm not an 
> > individual".
> > ...
> > Here's a neat "saying" I've dreamed up: "When choosing between this or 
> > that, sometimes both are appropriate, together".
> > ...
> > I'll probably take a vacation tomorrow from this...getting too close to 50; 
> > so I'll put in an oceanic/wave artwork.
> >  http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_4_jw34.html
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Yifuxero. I believe I do understand what Dr. Pete means by not 
> > > being an individual; it's hard to pretend we're still primarily a wave 
> > > when the ocean of Being remembers itself as Us through Us, and Us ia all 
> > > there is, and the individual wave we thought we were is but one of 
> > > countless billions of Us -- one which has now returned to the ocean. 
> > > 
> > > Only a wave rises and falls; this is a spacetime (or individual) 
> > > experience(s), whereas the ocean simply IS, and there is no return from 
> > > That; what IS is not an experience which comes and goes; it simply IS, 
> > > beyond all and yet embracing all experience(s) :-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thx, Rory, good answer!  May Jesus Christ Bless you and Dr. Pete (the 
> > > > dude who thinks he's not an individual). I'd say that his last post 
> > > > shows he's a real person, an individual. Thx again Dr. Pete.
> > > > http://www.fantasygallery.net/perry/art_3_flikk.html
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of course...everything is holographic, thus being in us and we are 
> > > > > > in them.  But this doesn't change the fact that $5.00 is not $500; 
> > > > > > or the fact that some Gurus are rather mediocre compared to others, 
> > > > > > in the degree of their Blaze. You're the one saying MMY was 
> > > > > > "Blazing".
> > > > > > I'm saying he's mediocre overall, although good at the revealer of 
> > > > > > TM to the worldcredit due.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * * * Yes, he is ablaze for me; he awakened me to the great paradox 
> > > > > of Brahman, of Us. YMMV, of course!
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > In the context of Gurudom, I'd say that if there's a Wiki 1000 
> > > > > > years from, MMY's name will be largely forgotten, a tiny 
> > > > > > unrecognized blip in cyberspace, a mere remote memory composed of a 
> > > > > > digital dots. ; whereas the Blazing Light will be Ramana Maharshi.
> > > > > >  http://www.fantasygallery.net/goldhawk/art_5_surf.html
> > > > > > 
> > > > > * * * Each to his or her own, whoever melts our heart to accept Us, 
> > > > > that one is perfect in my view :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[RoryGoff]

"I am an individual wave on/as the Ocean of Being" is a legitimate expression, 
of course, particularly the "as" aspect, but it rather fails to capture the 
fractal/holographic/quantum nature of the wave/Ocean, and of our understanding 
that truly, we are *not* primarily an individual wave; we are primarily the 
ocean, primarily Us. In fact, as we become more acclimated to Us, we understand 
more and more clearly that we are also every one of the I-waves in Us. So "We 
are trillions of individual I-waves singing harmoniously, ecstatically, 
eternally, and simultaneously from and as the Ocean of Being" is close to what 
I really mean when I say "I" ... but it is a lot quicker just to say "I" :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> thx, right...; but saying "no individuality" only emphasizes the depth of the 
> ocean part, rejecting the waves. Both exist, and should be recognized. 
> Therefore, imo; a correct statement would be:
> "I am an individual wave on/as the Ocean of Being".; not "I'm not an 
> individual".
> ...
> Here's a neat "saying" I've dreamed up: "When choosing between this or that, 
> sometimes both are appropriate, together".
> ...
> I'll probably take a vacation tomorrow from this...getting too close to 50; 
> so I'll put in an oceanic/wave artwork.
>  http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_4_jw34.html
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Yifuxero. I believe I do understand what Dr. Pete means by not 
> > being an individual; it's hard to pretend we're still primarily a wave when 
> > the ocean of Being remembers itself as Us through Us, and Us ia all there 
> > is, and the individual wave we thought we were is but one of countless 
> > billions of Us -- one which has now returned to the ocean. 
> > 
> > Only a wave rises and falls; this is a spacetime (or individual) 
> > experience(s), whereas the ocean simply IS, and there is no return from 
> > That; what IS is not an experience which comes and goes; it simply IS, 
> > beyond all and yet embracing all experience(s) :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thx, Rory, good answer!  May Jesus Christ Bless you and Dr. Pete (the 
> > > dude who thinks he's not an individual). I'd say that his last post shows 
> > > he's a real person, an individual. Thx again Dr. Pete.
> > > http://www.fantasygallery.net/perry/art_3_flikk.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > of course...everything is holographic, thus being in us and we are in 
> > > > > them.  But this doesn't change the fact that $5.00 is not $500; or 
> > > > > the fact that some Gurus are rather mediocre compared to others, in 
> > > > > the degree of their Blaze. You're the one saying MMY was "Blazing".
> > > > > I'm saying he's mediocre overall, although good at the revealer of TM 
> > > > > to the worldcredit due.
> > > > 
> > > > * * * Yes, he is ablaze for me; he awakened me to the great paradox of 
> > > > Brahman, of Us. YMMV, of course!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > In the context of Gurudom, I'd say that if there's a Wiki 1000 years 
> > > > > from, MMY's name will be largely forgotten, a tiny unrecognized blip 
> > > > > in cyberspace, a mere remote memory composed of a digital dots. ; 
> > > > > whereas the Blazing Light will be Ramana Maharshi.
> > > > >  http://www.fantasygallery.net/goldhawk/art_5_surf.html
> > > > > 
> > > > * * * Each to his or her own, whoever melts our heart to accept Us, 
> > > > that one is perfect in my view :-)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[yifuxero]

thx, right...; but saying "no individuality" only emphasizes the depth of the 
ocean part, rejecting the waves. Both exist, and should be recognized. 
Therefore, imo; a correct statement would be:
"I am an individual wave on/as the Ocean of Being".; not "I'm not an 
individual".
...
Here's a neat "saying" I've dreamed up: "When choosing between this or that, 
sometimes both are appropriate, together".
...
I'll probably take a vacation tomorrow from this...getting too close to 50; so 
I'll put in an oceanic/wave artwork.
 http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_4_jw34.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Yifuxero. I believe I do understand what Dr. Pete means by not being 
> an individual; it's hard to pretend we're still primarily a wave when the 
> ocean of Being remembers itself as Us through Us, and Us ia all there is, and 
> the individual wave we thought we were is but one of countless billions of Us 
> -- one which has now returned to the ocean. 
> 
> Only a wave rises and falls; this is a spacetime (or individual) 
> experience(s), whereas the ocean simply IS, and there is no return from That; 
> what IS is not an experience which comes and goes; it simply IS, beyond all 
> and yet embracing all experience(s) :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > Thx, Rory, good answer!  May Jesus Christ Bless you and Dr. Pete (the dude 
> > who thinks he's not an individual). I'd say that his last post shows he's a 
> > real person, an individual. Thx again Dr. Pete.
> > http://www.fantasygallery.net/perry/art_3_flikk.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > of course...everything is holographic, thus being in us and we are in 
> > > > them.  But this doesn't change the fact that $5.00 is not $500; or the 
> > > > fact that some Gurus are rather mediocre compared to others, in the 
> > > > degree of their Blaze. You're the one saying MMY was "Blazing".
> > > > I'm saying he's mediocre overall, although good at the revealer of TM 
> > > > to the worldcredit due.
> > > 
> > > * * * Yes, he is ablaze for me; he awakened me to the great paradox of 
> > > Brahman, of Us. YMMV, of course!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > In the context of Gurudom, I'd say that if there's a Wiki 1000 years 
> > > > from, MMY's name will be largely forgotten, a tiny unrecognized blip in 
> > > > cyberspace, a mere remote memory composed of a digital dots. ; whereas 
> > > > the Blazing Light will be Ramana Maharshi.
> > > >  http://www.fantasygallery.net/goldhawk/art_5_surf.html
> > > > 
> > > * * * Each to his or her own, whoever melts our heart to accept Us, that 
> > > one is perfect in my view :-)
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Bhairitu]

I wrote the PHP script and the possibility is known so don't try to 
cheat.  It's more that Yahoo has a weird way of dealing with accounts.  
For instance you have to use a different handle if you log in via email 
and via web.  If I post using the web I have a lower case 'b'.

On 01/26/2011 07:37 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote:
> So I can brazenly cheat and post up to 100 messages - hope Judy and all
> other sprint to 50 posters pay attention to this..:-)
> My count
> 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... 3 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009  wrote:
>> I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post
> count.
>> Notice the following
>>> 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
>>> 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>> I have seen something similar with yifuxero&  Yifu Xero combo as well.
>> So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts so
> far
>> would be as follows
>> 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>> :-)
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@
>> wrote:
>>> Fairfield Life Post Counter
>>> ===
>>> Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011
>>> End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011
>>> 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011
>>>
>>> 48 authfriend jstein@
>>> 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@
>>> 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>> 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
>>> 34 yifuxero yifuxero@
>>> 32 WillyTex willytex@
>>> 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@
>>> 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>> 24 Vaj vajradhatu@
>>> 24 Rick Archer rick@
>>> 21 sparaig LEnglish5@
>>> 20 Bhairitu noozguru@
>>> 17 Peter drpetersutphen@
>>> 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@
>>> 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
>>> 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>> 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>> 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@
>>> 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@
>>> 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
>>> 10 wgm4u wgm4u@
>>> 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>> 10 Joe geezerfreak@
>>>   7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
>>>   6 PaliGap compost1uk@
>>>   3 martyboi martyboi@
>>>   2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>>   2 raunchydog raunchydog@
>>>   2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>>   2 jpgillam jpgillam@
>>>   2 feste37 feste37@
>>>   2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@
>>>   2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
>>>   2 John jr_esq@
>>>   2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@
>>>   2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@
>>>   1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>>   1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@
>>>   1 seekliberation seekliberation@
>>>   1 parsleysage meowthirteen@
>>>   1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>>   1 m 13 meowthirteen@
>>>   1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>>   1 SwedaK sweda108@
>>>   1 Robert babajii_99@
>>>   1 Dick Mays dickmays@
>>>
>>> Posters: 46
>>> Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
>>> =
>>> Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
>>> US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
>>> Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
>>> Standard Time (Winter):
>>> US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
>>> Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
>>> For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
>>>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[RoryGoff]

Thanks, Yifuxero. I believe I do understand what Dr. Pete means by not being an 
individual; it's hard to pretend we're still primarily a wave when the ocean of 
Being remembers itself as Us through Us, and Us ia all there is, and the 
individual wave we thought we were is but one of countless billions of Us -- 
one which has now returned to the ocean. 

Only a wave rises and falls; this is a spacetime (or individual) experience(s), 
whereas the ocean simply IS, and there is no return from That; what IS is not 
an experience which comes and goes; it simply IS, beyond all and yet embracing 
all experience(s) :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Thx, Rory, good answer!  May Jesus Christ Bless you and Dr. Pete (the dude 
> who thinks he's not an individual). I'd say that his last post shows he's a 
> real person, an individual. Thx again Dr. Pete.
> http://www.fantasygallery.net/perry/art_3_flikk.html
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > >
> > > of course...everything is holographic, thus being in us and we are in 
> > > them.  But this doesn't change the fact that $5.00 is not $500; or the 
> > > fact that some Gurus are rather mediocre compared to others, in the 
> > > degree of their Blaze. You're the one saying MMY was "Blazing".
> > > I'm saying he's mediocre overall, although good at the revealer of TM to 
> > > the worldcredit due.
> > 
> > * * * Yes, he is ablaze for me; he awakened me to the great paradox of 
> > Brahman, of Us. YMMV, of course!
> > 
> > 
> > > In the context of Gurudom, I'd say that if there's a Wiki 1000 years 
> > > from, MMY's name will be largely forgotten, a tiny unrecognized blip in 
> > > cyberspace, a mere remote memory composed of a digital dots. ; whereas 
> > > the Blazing Light will be Ramana Maharshi.
> > >  http://www.fantasygallery.net/goldhawk/art_5_surf.html
> > > 
> > * * * Each to his or her own, whoever melts our heart to accept Us, that 
> > one is perfect in my view :-)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[raviyogi2009]

So I can brazenly cheat and post up to 100 messages - hope Judy and all
other sprint to 50 posters pay attention to this..:-)
My count
49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... 3 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009  wrote:
>
> I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post
count.
> Notice the following
> > 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
> > 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> I have seen something similar with yifuxero & Yifu Xero combo as well.
> So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts so
far
> would be as follows
> 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> :-)
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@
> wrote:
> >
> > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > ===
> > Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011
> > End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011
> > 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011
> >
> > 48 authfriend jstein@
> > 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@
> > 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
> > 34 yifuxero yifuxero@
> > 32 WillyTex willytex@
> > 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@
> > 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 24 Vaj vajradhatu@
> > 24 Rick Archer rick@
> > 21 sparaig LEnglish5@
> > 20 Bhairitu noozguru@
> > 17 Peter drpetersutphen@
> > 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@
> > 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
> > 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@
> > 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@
> > 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
> > 10 wgm4u wgm4u@
> > 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > 10 Joe geezerfreak@
> >  7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
> >  6 PaliGap compost1uk@
> >  3 martyboi martyboi@
> >  2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >  2 raunchydog raunchydog@
> >  2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >  2 jpgillam jpgillam@
> >  2 feste37 feste37@
> >  2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@
> >  2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
> >  2 John jr_esq@
> >  2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@
> >  2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@
> >  1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >  1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@
> >  1 seekliberation seekliberation@
> >  1 parsleysage meowthirteen@
> >  1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >  1 m 13 meowthirteen@
> >  1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> >  1 SwedaK sweda108@
> >  1 Robert babajii_99@
> >  1 Dick Mays dickmays@
> >
> > Posters: 46
> > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> > =
> > Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> > US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> > Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> > Standard Time (Winter):
> > US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> > Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> > For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[raviyogi2009]

I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post count.
Notice the following
> 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@...
> 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
I have seen something similar with yifuxero & Yifu Xero combo as well.
So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts so far
would be as follows
49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...2 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
:-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount 
wrote:
>
> Fairfield Life Post Counter
> ===
> Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011
> End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011
> 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011
>
> 48 authfriend jstein@...
> 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
> 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@...
> 34 yifuxero yifuxero@...
> 32 WillyTex willytex@...
> 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@...
> 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 24 Vaj vajradhatu@...
> 24 Rick Archer rick@...
> 21 sparaig LEnglish5@...
> 20 Bhairitu noozguru@...
> 17 Peter drpetersutphen@...
> 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@...
> 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@...
> 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@...
> 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@...
> 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@...
> 10 wgm4u wgm4u@...
> 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> 10 Joe geezerfreak@...
>  7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
>  6 PaliGap compost1uk@...
>  3 martyboi martyboi@...
>  2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>  2 raunchydog raunchydog@...
>  2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>  2 jpgillam jpgillam@...
>  2 feste37 feste37@...
>  2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@...
>  2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@...
>  2 John jr_esq@...
>  2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@...
>  2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@...
>  1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>  1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@...
>  1 seekliberation seekliberation@...
>  1 parsleysage meowthirteen@...
>  1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>  1 m 13 meowthirteen@...
>  1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>  1 SwedaK sweda108@...
>  1 Robert babajii_99@...
>  1 Dick Mays dickmays@...
>
> Posters: 46
> Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> =
> Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> Standard Time (Winter):
> US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[raviyogi2009]

Thanks for your comments Vaj. I don't think I understood all your
points. From the the first 3 paragraphs I understood you were hinting at
stages in awakening and I do agree. You also indicate some who have
temporary experiences and some who rise andf all and that makes sense as
well.
>From my perspective it has been a "rise" and "coast". The "coast" phase
is much longer allowing the body and mind to integrate the energies that
were received during the "rise". The rise phases much shorter and
intense with overwhelming energy and much cleansing.
"After all, we've all fallen at least once, no?" - not sure if you were
referring to my behavior here on the list?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote:
>
> > Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of
the goal, to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end
being a Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.
>
>
> It might be helpful to understand that in the SS and commentaries,
we're talking about the transition between the first and the second
thirds of the three major "awakenings" (from the perspective of the
unawakened). That's only 33% of the the SS View. It's not 'all about
"effort"'. But what the Kashmirian masters of awakening so masterfully
distinguish is not merely how we "rise": they tell us how to recognize
someone who may have attained a wonderful temporary experience, but is
someone who "rises" and "falls" (and rises and falls). Hell, they even
do it on email lists nowadays!
>
> The actual consumption into the Shakti Path level of realization
occurs after "prayatnah sādhakah", but also includes.
>
> It's popular in neoadvaita to state that the enlightened state is
inscrutable and that's partially true for a rare number of beings IMO.
But gawd what a great "out". What such a claimant forgets, it's not the
rising that is so recognizable, but the rising and falling of "yogis".
>
> After all, we've all fallen at least once, no?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[yifuxero]

Thx, Rory, good answer!  May Jesus Christ Bless you and Dr. Pete (the dude who 
thinks he's not an individual). I'd say that his last post shows he's a real 
person, an individual. Thx again Dr. Pete.
http://www.fantasygallery.net/perry/art_3_flikk.html



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > of course...everything is holographic, thus being in us and we are in them. 
> >  But this doesn't change the fact that $5.00 is not $500; or the fact that 
> > some Gurus are rather mediocre compared to others, in the degree of their 
> > Blaze. You're the one saying MMY was "Blazing".
> > I'm saying he's mediocre overall, although good at the revealer of TM to 
> > the worldcredit due.
> 
> * * * Yes, he is ablaze for me; he awakened me to the great paradox of 
> Brahman, of Us. YMMV, of course!
> 
> 
> > In the context of Gurudom, I'd say that if there's a Wiki 1000 years from, 
> > MMY's name will be largely forgotten, a tiny unrecognized blip in 
> > cyberspace, a mere remote memory composed of a digital dots. ; whereas the 
> > Blazing Light will be Ramana Maharshi.
> >  http://www.fantasygallery.net/goldhawk/art_5_surf.html
> > 
> * * * Each to his or her own, whoever melts our heart to accept Us, that one 
> is perfect in my view :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[Vaj]

On Jan 26, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote:

> Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the goal, 
> to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being a 
> Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.


It might be helpful to understand that in the SS and commentaries, we're 
talking about the transition between the first and the second thirds of the 
three major "awakenings" (from the perspective of the unawakened). That's only 
33% of the the SS View. It's not 'all about "effort"'. But what the Kashmirian 
masters of awakening so masterfully distinguish is not merely how we "rise": 
they tell us how to recognize someone who may have attained a wonderful 
temporary experience, but is someone who "rises" and "falls" (and rises and 
falls). Hell, they even do it on email lists nowadays!

The actual consumption into the Shakti Path level of realization occurs after 
"prayatnah sādhakah", but also includes.

It's popular in neoadvaita to state that the enlightened state is inscrutable 
and that's partially true for a rare number of beings IMO. But gawd what a 
great "out". What such a claimant forgets, it's not the rising that is so 
recognizable, but the rising and falling of "yogis". 

After all, we've all fallen at least once, no?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> of course...everything is holographic, thus being in us and we are in them.  
> But this doesn't change the fact that $5.00 is not $500; or the fact that 
> some Gurus are rather mediocre compared to others, in the degree of their 
> Blaze. You're the one saying MMY was "Blazing".
> I'm saying he's mediocre overall, although good at the revealer of TM to the 
> worldcredit due.

* * * Yes, he is ablaze for me; he awakened me to the great paradox of Brahman, 
of Us. YMMV, of course!


> In the context of Gurudom, I'd say that if there's a Wiki 1000 years from, 
> MMY's name will be largely forgotten, a tiny unrecognized blip in cyberspace, 
> a mere remote memory composed of a digital dots. ; whereas the Blazing Light 
> will be Ramana Maharshi.
>  http://www.fantasygallery.net/goldhawk/art_5_surf.html
> 
* * * Each to his or her own, whoever melts our heart to accept Us, that one is 
perfect in my view :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[yifuxero]

How poetic, thanks!!  Zen Koan: a dirt clod = the Buddha; (i.e. the dirt clod 
is no less Brahman than a Buddha). But in a relative sense, the dirt clod can 
be equated with MMY and is Spiritually inferior (beginning with "Blaze"); as to 
Ramana and a number of Rinpoches and Buddhas. Sorry, your's and Rory's loss!
http://www.fantasygallery.net/perry/art_1_snap.html



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> If you didn't see MMY as blazing, then it is your loss. He was pure Brahman. 
> If your mala covered eyes failed to see this you only have your own arrogance 
> to blame. Rory saw exactly who MMY was. I saw too as well as others. 
> Mediocre, indeed! You don't know what the f*ck you are talking about you 
> ignorant slut! I squeeze your head like a grape! You scream for mercy in a 
> high-piched little girl voice. I chortle and throw you aside like a dried, 
> dead husk of fine Iowa Pioneer Highbred feed corn on a cold, overcast 
> November day.   
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/26/11, yifuxero  wrote:
> 
> > From: yifuxero 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 8:58 PM
> > of course...everything is
> > holographic, thus being in us and we are in them.  But
> > this doesn't change the fact that $5.00 is not $500; or the
> > fact that some Gurus are rather mediocre compared to others,
> > in the degree of their Blaze. You're the one saying MMY was
> > "Blazing".
> > I'm saying he's mediocre overall, although good at the
> > revealer of TM to the worldcredit due.
> > ...
> > In the context of Gurudom, I'd say that if there's a Wiki
> > 1000 years from, MMY's name will be largely forgotten, a
> > tiny unrecognized blip in cyberspace, a mere remote memory
> > composed of a digital dots. ; whereas the Blazing Light will
> > be Ramana Maharshi.
> >  http://www.fantasygallery.net/goldhawk/art_5_surf.html
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I am not really qualified to judge another's relative
> > "blaze" -- only how they blaze in me, or the degree to which
> > I am moved to surrender into That. And that is entirely a
> > function of my own love and attention. The world is as I am;
> > dharma, the Master, and God, like beauty, are all in the "I"
> > or the surrendered heart of the beholder. The more I love my
> > own "particles," the more the whole world catches fire :-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Blazing candles, as in:
> > > > 
> > > > a. ordinary people compared  to MMY, and
> > > > b. ordinary Gurus such as MMY compared to Ramana
> > Maharshi.
> > > > ...
> > > > The relative part is the "Blazing", since many
> > Advaitins may be Self-Realized but not Blazing.
> > > > http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_3_jw43.html
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Batgap aside, I do hope you take my meaning:
> > these experiences are all lovely and delightful, but they
> > don't hold a candle to the blazing Brahman that Maharishi
> > embodied and showed us.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "wgm4u"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Personally, FWIW I recall numerous
> > experiences reminiscent of this -- my consciousness drawing
> > up out of the body in a tremendous Kundalini-rush of ecstasy
> > and golden soul-light, and visiting other realms and so on
> > -- many years before any "Neo-Advaitic" Awakening completed
> > the path from here to here and from Self to Self... Now,
> > there is nowhere to go!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Congratulations, you qualify for an
> > interview on Batgap, Buddha at the Gas pump! Where's Rick?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://batgap.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Or go to: 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >     fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[Buck]

> > 
> > As the links from the above page don't work, I try a little bit of hacking, 
> > and yes here:
> > http://en.dou.us/view_content.php?s_id=44&page=3
> > 
> 
> Bluscout,
> 
> That is one heck of a hack.  Great find.
> Good concise survey in one place.  Breadth and depth.



Reads like a first part of a Consumer's Report
but needs a reliability and repair rating section
with a comparison of peer-review product science too.

Consumer Reports offers: 
Scientific tests and ratings of thousands of products every year.
www.ConsumerReports.org

'Ratings'come with criticism.


> Interestingly not all the meditations, but in ticking through
> the meditations, if one had
> gone on through with the all TM advanced
> techniques and TM advanced programs, then one would have been
> doing a lot of the meditations listed.
> 
> Also interesting that in the anthology of meditation that TM itself is 
> relegated to achieving rest as a start.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Buck
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[Peter]

If you didn't see MMY as blazing, then it is your loss. He was pure Brahman. If 
your mala covered eyes failed to see this you only have your own arrogance to 
blame. Rory saw exactly who MMY was. I saw too as well as others. Mediocre, 
indeed! You don't know what the f*ck you are talking about you ignorant slut! I 
squeeze your head like a grape! You scream for mercy in a high-piched little 
girl voice. I chortle and throw you aside like a dried, dead husk of fine Iowa 
Pioneer Highbred feed corn on a cold, overcast November day.   

--- On Wed, 1/26/11, yifuxero  wrote:

> From: yifuxero 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 8:58 PM
> of course...everything is
> holographic, thus being in us and we are in them.  But
> this doesn't change the fact that $5.00 is not $500; or the
> fact that some Gurus are rather mediocre compared to others,
> in the degree of their Blaze. You're the one saying MMY was
> "Blazing".
> I'm saying he's mediocre overall, although good at the
> revealer of TM to the worldcredit due.
> ...
> In the context of Gurudom, I'd say that if there's a Wiki
> 1000 years from, MMY's name will be largely forgotten, a
> tiny unrecognized blip in cyberspace, a mere remote memory
> composed of a digital dots. ; whereas the Blazing Light will
> be Ramana Maharshi.
>  http://www.fantasygallery.net/goldhawk/art_5_surf.html
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > I am not really qualified to judge another's relative
> "blaze" -- only how they blaze in me, or the degree to which
> I am moved to surrender into That. And that is entirely a
> function of my own love and attention. The world is as I am;
> dharma, the Master, and God, like beauty, are all in the "I"
> or the surrendered heart of the beholder. The more I love my
> own "particles," the more the whole world catches fire :-)
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Blazing candles, as in:
> > > 
> > > a. ordinary people compared  to MMY, and
> > > b. ordinary Gurus such as MMY compared to Ramana
> Maharshi.
> > > ...
> > > The relative part is the "Blazing", since many
> Advaitins may be Self-Realized but not Blazing.
> > > http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_3_jw43.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Batgap aside, I do hope you take my meaning:
> these experiences are all lovely and delightful, but they
> don't hold a candle to the blazing Brahman that Maharishi
> embodied and showed us.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "wgm4u"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Personally, FWIW I recall numerous
> experiences reminiscent of this -- my consciousness drawing
> up out of the body in a tremendous Kundalini-rush of ecstasy
> and golden soul-light, and visiting other realms and so on
> -- many years before any "Neo-Advaitic" Awakening completed
> the path from here to here and from Self to Self... Now,
> there is nowhere to go!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Congratulations, you qualify for an
> interview on Batgap, Buddha at the Gas pump! Where's Rick?
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://batgap.com/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>     fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[yifuxero]

of course...everything is holographic, thus being in us and we are in them.  
But this doesn't change the fact that $5.00 is not $500; or the fact that some 
Gurus are rather mediocre compared to others, in the degree of their Blaze. 
You're the one saying MMY was "Blazing".
I'm saying he's mediocre overall, although good at the revealer of TM to the 
worldcredit due.
...
In the context of Gurudom, I'd say that if there's a Wiki 1000 years from, 
MMY's name will be largely forgotten, a tiny unrecognized blip in cyberspace, a 
mere remote memory composed of a digital dots. ; whereas the Blazing Light will 
be Ramana Maharshi.
 http://www.fantasygallery.net/goldhawk/art_5_surf.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> I am not really qualified to judge another's relative "blaze" -- only how 
> they blaze in me, or the degree to which I am moved to surrender into That. 
> And that is entirely a function of my own love and attention. The world is as 
> I am; dharma, the Master, and God, like beauty, are all in the "I" or the 
> surrendered heart of the beholder. The more I love my own "particles," the 
> more the whole world catches fire :-)
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > Blazing candles, as in:
> > 
> > a. ordinary people compared  to MMY, and
> > b. ordinary Gurus such as MMY compared to Ramana Maharshi.
> > ...
> > The relative part is the "Blazing", since many Advaitins may be 
> > Self-Realized but not Blazing.
> > http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_3_jw43.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Batgap aside, I do hope you take my meaning: these experiences are all 
> > > lovely and delightful, but they don't hold a candle to the blazing 
> > > Brahman that Maharishi embodied and showed us.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, FWIW I recall numerous experiences reminiscent of this -- 
> > > > > my consciousness drawing up out of the body in a tremendous 
> > > > > Kundalini-rush of ecstasy and golden soul-light, and visiting other 
> > > > > realms and so on -- many years before any "Neo-Advaitic" Awakening 
> > > > > completed the path from here to here and from Self to Self... Now, 
> > > > > there is nowhere to go!
> > > > 
> > > > Congratulations, you qualify for an interview on Batgap, Buddha at the 
> > > > Gas pump! Where's Rick?
> > > > 
> > > > http://batgap.com/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[RoryGoff]

I am not really qualified to judge another's relative "blaze" -- only how they 
blaze in me, or the degree to which I am moved to surrender into That. And that 
is entirely a function of my own love and attention. The world is as I am; 
dharma, the Master, and God, like beauty, are all in the "I" or the surrendered 
heart of the beholder. The more I love my own "particles," the more the whole 
world catches fire :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Blazing candles, as in:
> 
> a. ordinary people compared  to MMY, and
> b. ordinary Gurus such as MMY compared to Ramana Maharshi.
> ...
> The relative part is the "Blazing", since many Advaitins may be Self-Realized 
> but not Blazing.
> http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_3_jw43.html
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Batgap aside, I do hope you take my meaning: these experiences are all 
> > lovely and delightful, but they don't hold a candle to the blazing Brahman 
> > that Maharishi embodied and showed us.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Personally, FWIW I recall numerous experiences reminiscent of this -- 
> > > > my consciousness drawing up out of the body in a tremendous 
> > > > Kundalini-rush of ecstasy and golden soul-light, and visiting other 
> > > > realms and so on -- many years before any "Neo-Advaitic" Awakening 
> > > > completed the path from here to here and from Self to Self... Now, 
> > > > there is nowhere to go!
> > > 
> > > Congratulations, you qualify for an interview on Batgap, Buddha at the 
> > > Gas pump! Where's Rick?
> > > 
> > > http://batgap.com/
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[yifuxero]

Blazing candles, as in:

a. ordinary people compared  to MMY, and
b. ordinary Gurus such as MMY compared to Ramana Maharshi.
...
The relative part is the "Blazing", since many Advaitins may be Self-Realized 
but not Blazing.
http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_3_jw43.html



 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> Batgap aside, I do hope you take my meaning: these experiences are all lovely 
> and delightful, but they don't hold a candle to the blazing Brahman that 
> Maharishi embodied and showed us.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Personally, FWIW I recall numerous experiences reminiscent of this -- my 
> > > consciousness drawing up out of the body in a tremendous Kundalini-rush 
> > > of ecstasy and golden soul-light, and visiting other realms and so on -- 
> > > many years before any "Neo-Advaitic" Awakening completed the path from 
> > > here to here and from Self to Self... Now, there is nowhere to go!
> > 
> > Congratulations, you qualify for an interview on Batgap, Buddha at the Gas 
> > pump! Where's Rick?
> > 
> > http://batgap.com/
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Batgap aside, I do hope you take my meaning: these experiences are all 
> > lovely and delightful, but they don't hold a candle to the blazing Brahman 
> > that Maharishi embodied and showed us.
> 
> Just kiddin' with ya Rory, good post! The important thing is we *keep on 
> trying*, after all do we have a choice?  Really?
>
* * * Ha! No, we don't have a choice, really ...divine Love is utterly 
inexorable, and it will eat us all, no matter what we do, what we think, or 
whar we choose :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the 
> > > goal, to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being 
> > > a Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.
> > >
> > * * * Yes, although I would perhaps say great *attention* or *clarity* or 
> > *devotion* or *practice* rather than great effort, as the word *effort* is 
> > so easily misconstrued into an egoic striving, which actually takes us 
> > further from the goal, if that is possible... And even that hypothetical 
> > Neo-Advaitin if he has any integrity or self-awareness will realize that he 
> > has *not* actually surrendered via his merely intellectual realization, as 
> > his judgments and sufferings and demonizations will continue to plague him, 
> > if he has not completed the Great Work into utter resistance-free 
> > effortlessness :-)
> 
> Wrong again; you use your own *WILL* (power) to conform to God's *WILL*, 
> hence you are in harmony with the laws of nature. Even in TM effort is 
> required to continue to meditate and go to the domes etc. only during the 
> practice itself is effort not really required.
> Effort is a GOOD thing...not a BAD thing!
>

whose will and/or effort?

Of course, as long as one is bound by illusions, might as well use the 
terminlogy developed to describe them...


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> Batgap aside, I do hope you take my meaning: these experiences are all lovely 
> and delightful, but they don't hold a candle to the blazing Brahman that 
> Maharishi embodied and showed us.

Just kiddin' with ya Rory, good post! The important thing is we *keep on 
trying*, after all do we have a choice?  Really?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Difference Between Devotion and Emotion

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
[...]
> > Thanks for MMY's viewpoint, that seems to reinforce my view
> > that TM'ers are mostly intellectual. However when I made
> > this remark to a former TM'er here in Amma's she said
> > Maharishi was "all heart".
> 
> I'm not sure Self-realization (Cosmic Consciousness in TM
> lingo) is any more intellectual than it is emotional. The
> means is said to be regular transcending via TM, and there's
> nothing either emotional or intellectual about TM.
> 
> It's really just MMY's old "Highest first" axiom.
>
My recollection ia that MMY considers CC to be primarily physical refinement, 
GC is primarily emotional refinement and UC is primarily intellectual 
refinement.

L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[yifuxero]

Interesting!...thx for sharing. Can be likened to Muktananda's experiences 
described in "Play of Consciousness" and his disciple Cannon's (Master Charles) 
evolutionary experiences described in "The Bliss of Freedom". Thx in part to 
your contributions, Rory; practitioners may be closer to filling in the 
apparent gaps left in MMY's maps. (or to put the onus on "us", those who may 
have overlooked some jewels of wisdom left somewhere by MMY not not recognized).
http://www.fantasygallery.net/kozienko/art_7_castle-at-sunset.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> Personally, FWIW I recall numerous experiences reminiscent of this -- my 
> consciousness drawing up out of the body in a tremendous Kundalini-rush of 
> ecstasy and golden soul-light, and visiting other realms and so on -- many 
> years before any "Neo-Advaitic" Awakening completed the path from here to 
> here and from Self to Self... Now, there is nowhere to go!
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > thx for bringing this up!! If there are any true experts in this Siddhi, 
> > let them speak out, giving us some information. (waiting, waiting...). 
> > Nope...didn't think so.
> > ...
> > Just my opinion (having been initiated into Sant Mat); this is generally 
> > quite difficult, and if one investigates further, the few real experts a 
> > most often proficient at a young age and come by it naturally (probably the 
> > result of incarnations of previous practice).
> > ...
> > But the pt. I'd like to mention is that this Siddhi (mentioned in YS?); is 
> > in NO WAY even deemed necessary or desirable in the corpus of MMY's 
> > revealed teachings, that I know of.
> > ...
> > Yet, the procedure (described below); is a Yogic experienced greatly prized 
> > by the likes of Kabir, Nanak, the 10 Sikh Gurus, and those in the Sant Mat 
> > lineage, and the ultimate GOAL/TREASURE to attain.
> > ...
> > No Neo-Advaitic hocus/pocus here, no "I've got it".  imo, this Sidhi 
> > separates the mere novices from those more advanced, even those "Novices" 
> > may technically be in Unity.
> > ...
> > I suggest two distinct "levels" of Unity, depending on whether one is adept 
> > in this Sidhi, or not.
> > ...
> > However, as stated in the Sant Mat literature, one can "Rise above bodily 
> > consciousness" (i.e. separate out what they call "Soul") from the physical 
> > body as a beginning practice in their Tradition, leading to (apparently) 
> > approximations of CC and GC.
> > ...
> > Generally, UC is given only lip-service attention in Sant Mat; since the 
> > goals are their "Self-Realization" and their "God-Realization'; which may 
> > indeed conform to MMY's CC and GC but with the Siddhi.
> > ...
> > http://www.crumbproducts.com/files/corneredbydevilgirlserigrap.jpg
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Concentrating on the eye-focus each day will help our
> > > attention withdraw from the body. Generally our sensory currents which
> > > give us
> > > sensation of this physical world are spread through out the body. As we
> > > concentrate at the seat of the soul, (the Ajna Chakra) the sensory
> > > currents start to withdraw from
> > > our extremities, they come up from our feet and legs to our trunk, and
> > > eventually
> > >are totally concentrated at the seat of the soul. Once at that point,
> > > a
> > > vista of divine Light and Celestial Sound opens up for us and we witness
> > > the Light
> > > and Sound which emanated from God at the dawn of creation. Like a
> > > current, this
> > > stream flows out from God through all the regions. It also returns to
> > > Him. When
> > > our soul comes in to contact with this stream, it can travel on it back
> > > to the
> > > Source.
> > > The journey begins at the third eye, by putting our attention there, the
> > > soul
> > > begins its voyage to the ultimate source of happiness. This is what
> > > meditation
> > > is for.
> > > 
> > > Sant Mat
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[RoryGoff]

Batgap aside, I do hope you take my meaning: these experiences are all lovely 
and delightful, but they don't hold a candle to the blazing Brahman that 
Maharishi embodied and showed us.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > Personally, FWIW I recall numerous experiences reminiscent of this -- my 
> > consciousness drawing up out of the body in a tremendous Kundalini-rush of 
> > ecstasy and golden soul-light, and visiting other realms and so on -- many 
> > years before any "Neo-Advaitic" Awakening completed the path from here to 
> > here and from Self to Self... Now, there is nowhere to go!
> 
> Congratulations, you qualify for an interview on Batgap, Buddha at the Gas 
> pump! Where's Rick?
> 
> http://batgap.com/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> thx for bringing this up!! If there are any true experts in this Siddhi, let 
> them speak out, giving us some information. (waiting, waiting...). 
> Nope...didn't think so.
> ...
> Just my opinion (having been initiated into Sant Mat); this is generally 
> quite difficult, and if one investigates further, the few real experts a most 
> often proficient at a young age and come by it naturally (probably the result 
> of incarnations of previous practice).
> ...
> But the pt. I'd like to mention is that this Siddhi (mentioned in YS?); is in 
> NO WAY even deemed necessary or desirable in the corpus of MMY's revealed 
> teachings, that I know of.
> ...
> Yet, the procedure (described below); is a Yogic experienced greatly prized 
> by the likes of Kabir, Nanak, the 10 Sikh Gurus, and those in the Sant Mat 
> lineage, and the ultimate GOAL/TREASURE to attain.
> ...
> No Neo-Advaitic hocus/pocus here, no "I've got it".  imo, this Sidhi 
> separates the mere novices from those more advanced, even those "Novices" may 
> technically be in Unity.
> ...
> I suggest two distinct "levels" of Unity, depending on whether one is adept 
> in this Sidhi, or not.
> ...
> However, as stated in the Sant Mat literature, one can "Rise above bodily 
> consciousness" (i.e. separate out what they call "Soul") from the physical 
> body as a beginning practice in their Tradition, leading to (apparently) 
> approximations of CC and GC.
> ...
> Generally, UC is given only lip-service attention in Sant Mat; since the 
> goals are their "Self-Realization" and their "God-Realization'; which may 
> indeed conform to MMY's CC and GC but with the Siddhi.
> ...
> http://www.crumbproducts.com/files/corneredbydevilgirlserigrap.jpg

Thanks, nice come back! I think they (Sant Mat) co-opted it from the Sikh 
Religion actually, at any rate, it appears to be what Patanjali taught. 
However, even Yogananda admits even Mantra meditation (as taught by MMY for 
instance) can lead to higher states of consciousness, though he thinks dharana 
is superior as it is conscious control and not passive control, etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> Personally, FWIW I recall numerous experiences reminiscent of this -- my 
> consciousness drawing up out of the body in a tremendous Kundalini-rush of 
> ecstasy and golden soul-light, and visiting other realms and so on -- many 
> years before any "Neo-Advaitic" Awakening completed the path from here to 
> here and from Self to Self... Now, there is nowhere to go!

Congratulations, you qualify for an interview on Batgap, Buddha at the Gas 
pump! Where's Rick?

http://batgap.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[sparaig]

I'm not sure I would use YOU description either. But, no experience is "right" 
or "wrong" so...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> It is a different kind of meditation Vaj. There is never an attempt to 
> discern the object clearly with TM. 
> 
> The focus in TM, if you can call it that, is on the movement of the widening 
> of the container of consciousness, not on any object within it. The dynamic 
> of consciousness expansion is the focus, if you can call it that, in the 
> front of the mind. 
> 
> Because consciousness is always moving, there is no object to discern. The 
> mechanics are quite different from what you are describing, Vaj. 
> 
> During the practice of TM, The mantra is appreciated over time, at random 
> intervals of attention, shedding its own soft light on whatever state of 
> consciousness we find ourselves in, and on whatever random thoughts may be 
> associated with that. That flow of attention from the mantra to thoughts or 
> no thoughts, and back, is not to be appreciated or judged, but just easily 
> experienced. 
> 
> Less structured. More holistic, outside of logic, unless we want to include 
> discrimination between this and that without judgment, as logic.
> 
> You are just describing a different form of meditation.:-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:23 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > How do you (or I) know that I thought the mantra 20 minutes ago  
> > > without noticing?
> > >
> > > I assume that is how I slipped into the practice, but since I  
> > > didn't notice starting to think the mantra, perhaps I didn't.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sheesh.
> > >
> > > You're hung up on what *I* need or don't need. Have you noticed?
> > 
> > 
> > Well you're either practicing meditation with a mantra or you're not.
> > 
> > You may just not have been mindful during your practice or you were  
> > not able to discern your object clearly for whatever reason.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 30 miles from SSRS?

[Tom Pall]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:15 PM, martyboi  wrote:

>
> FYI: AOL doesn't coddle high-maintenance people, that is they let you "own"
> your own "stuff". Therefore, don't expect much personal accommodation,
> (unless you have a medical condition). They have solved most of the people
> issues by maintaining silence...a very smart move IMO.
>
>
>
Actually, you're permitted and encouraged to talk to the teacher leading the
course, "even if you feel lonely or nobody loves you".  There's also a
basket or box to place notes and questions for the teacher.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[RoryGoff]

Personally, FWIW I recall numerous experiences reminiscent of this -- my 
consciousness drawing up out of the body in a tremendous Kundalini-rush of 
ecstasy and golden soul-light, and visiting other realms and so on -- many 
years before any "Neo-Advaitic" Awakening completed the path from here to here 
and from Self to Self... Now, there is nowhere to go!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> thx for bringing this up!! If there are any true experts in this Siddhi, let 
> them speak out, giving us some information. (waiting, waiting...). 
> Nope...didn't think so.
> ...
> Just my opinion (having been initiated into Sant Mat); this is generally 
> quite difficult, and if one investigates further, the few real experts a most 
> often proficient at a young age and come by it naturally (probably the result 
> of incarnations of previous practice).
> ...
> But the pt. I'd like to mention is that this Siddhi (mentioned in YS?); is in 
> NO WAY even deemed necessary or desirable in the corpus of MMY's revealed 
> teachings, that I know of.
> ...
> Yet, the procedure (described below); is a Yogic experienced greatly prized 
> by the likes of Kabir, Nanak, the 10 Sikh Gurus, and those in the Sant Mat 
> lineage, and the ultimate GOAL/TREASURE to attain.
> ...
> No Neo-Advaitic hocus/pocus here, no "I've got it".  imo, this Sidhi 
> separates the mere novices from those more advanced, even those "Novices" may 
> technically be in Unity.
> ...
> I suggest two distinct "levels" of Unity, depending on whether one is adept 
> in this Sidhi, or not.
> ...
> However, as stated in the Sant Mat literature, one can "Rise above bodily 
> consciousness" (i.e. separate out what they call "Soul") from the physical 
> body as a beginning practice in their Tradition, leading to (apparently) 
> approximations of CC and GC.
> ...
> Generally, UC is given only lip-service attention in Sant Mat; since the 
> goals are their "Self-Realization" and their "God-Realization'; which may 
> indeed conform to MMY's CC and GC but with the Siddhi.
> ...
> http://www.crumbproducts.com/files/corneredbydevilgirlserigrap.jpg
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Concentrating on the eye-focus each day will help our
> > attention withdraw from the body. Generally our sensory currents which
> > give us
> > sensation of this physical world are spread through out the body. As we
> > concentrate at the seat of the soul, (the Ajna Chakra) the sensory
> > currents start to withdraw from
> > our extremities, they come up from our feet and legs to our trunk, and
> > eventually
> >are totally concentrated at the seat of the soul. Once at that point,
> > a
> > vista of divine Light and Celestial Sound opens up for us and we witness
> > the Light
> > and Sound which emanated from God at the dawn of creation. Like a
> > current, this
> > stream flows out from God through all the regions. It also returns to
> > Him. When
> > our soul comes in to contact with this stream, it can travel on it back
> > to the
> > Source.
> > The journey begins at the third eye, by putting our attention there, the
> > soul
> > begins its voyage to the ultimate source of happiness. This is what
> > meditation
> > is for.
> > 
> > Sant Mat
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[yifuxero]

thx for bringing this up!! If there are any true experts in this Siddhi, let 
them speak out, giving us some information. (waiting, waiting...). 
Nope...didn't think so.
...
Just my opinion (having been initiated into Sant Mat); this is generally quite 
difficult, and if one investigates further, the few real experts a most often 
proficient at a young age and come by it naturally (probably the result of 
incarnations of previous practice).
...
But the pt. I'd like to mention is that this Siddhi (mentioned in YS?); is in 
NO WAY even deemed necessary or desirable in the corpus of MMY's revealed 
teachings, that I know of.
...
Yet, the procedure (described below); is a Yogic experienced greatly prized by 
the likes of Kabir, Nanak, the 10 Sikh Gurus, and those in the Sant Mat 
lineage, and the ultimate GOAL/TREASURE to attain.
...
No Neo-Advaitic hocus/pocus here, no "I've got it".  imo, this Sidhi separates 
the mere novices from those more advanced, even those "Novices" may technically 
be in Unity.
...
I suggest two distinct "levels" of Unity, depending on whether one is adept in 
this Sidhi, or not.
...
However, as stated in the Sant Mat literature, one can "Rise above bodily 
consciousness" (i.e. separate out what they call "Soul") from the physical body 
as a beginning practice in their Tradition, leading to (apparently) 
approximations of CC and GC.
...
Generally, UC is given only lip-service attention in Sant Mat; since the goals 
are their "Self-Realization" and their "God-Realization'; which may indeed 
conform to MMY's CC and GC but with the Siddhi.
...
http://www.crumbproducts.com/files/corneredbydevilgirlserigrap.jpg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>
> 
> Concentrating on the eye-focus each day will help our
> attention withdraw from the body. Generally our sensory currents which
> give us
> sensation of this physical world are spread through out the body. As we
> concentrate at the seat of the soul, (the Ajna Chakra) the sensory
> currents start to withdraw from
> our extremities, they come up from our feet and legs to our trunk, and
> eventually
>are totally concentrated at the seat of the soul. Once at that point,
> a
> vista of divine Light and Celestial Sound opens up for us and we witness
> the Light
> and Sound which emanated from God at the dawn of creation. Like a
> current, this
> stream flows out from God through all the regions. It also returns to
> Him. When
> our soul comes in to contact with this stream, it can travel on it back
> to the
> Source.
> The journey begins at the third eye, by putting our attention there, the
> soul
> begins its voyage to the ultimate source of happiness. This is what
> meditation
> is for.
> 
> Sant Mat
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Pat Answer Syndrome (was Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi)

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 26, 2011, at 6:47 PM, seventhray1 wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> By the time I got to see
> > him, he was much older and just sitting up there
> > without saying much of anything.)
> 
> Just looking beautiful?

Actually, just looking.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Pat Answer Syndrome (was Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi)

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:
By the time I got to see
> him, he was much older and just sitting up there
> without saying much of anything.)


Just looking beautiful?

[FairfieldLife] Pat Answer Syndrome (was Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi)

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> I have seen other teachers who *never* did this. They
> took the fact that the student still had followup
> questions to mean that they hadn't done an adequate
> job of explaining things first time around, so they
> tried again. And again, as long as necessary. If at
> the end of that process the student still didn't
> agree with the teacher's answer, that was FINE. No
> problem.


Does this apply to the "monopolizer" i.e. the student who sometimes has
an obscure point that he wants clarified, and whatever answer is given
seems never to be sufficient?  Or perhaps the student is getting off on
getting some attention, or may even feel that a role reversal would be
in order.  I have witnessed these situations and I suspect you have as
well.  And no one really minds when they get the hook in some manner or
another.

But maybe you like to see Oscar award winners ramble on and on about
who, what, where and when they have to thank for getting their
recognition, and not to mention whatever the pressing social issue of
the day might be (-:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> 
> > * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a "goal" to be achieved 
> > with effort as it is conventionally understood; liberation is if anything 
> > more of an a priori understanding to be surrendered into. The only effort 
> > involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- is in the 
> > relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist resistance to the utter 
> > perfection of what IS, now, always has been, and ever shall be.
> 
> Sounds like poetic nonsense to me, some of these Yogis take years and years 
> to achieve Nirvikalpa Samadhi, by practicing Yama, Niyama, asana, pranayama, 
> pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and samprajnata Samadhi finally leading to 
> asamprajnata Samadhi.
> 
> It takes Many many years, (lifetimes even) MMY said as much at Fuiggi Fonte, 
> Italy, "You could meditate a million years and not reach unless you come to 
> these courses". MMY
> 
> Don't be fooled by a little mantra meditation here and there! The Guru Dev 
> spent years and years in a cave for Christ's sake!!
>

Yet there are numerous examples of spontaneous awakening in the Indian 
scriptures. Even I struggled with this fact that how could it be possible when 
there are bigger names with well documented tapas and sadhana. I couldn't 
attribute this to effort alone which is very inferior in comparison to many but 
to grace, samskaras and effort in the previous lifetime(s)

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi on divine powers

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElEzszR6ig4

[FairfieldLife] His Divinity

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Its an odd thing though. You can always look back after the fact and declare, 
> "Oh, wasn't that obvious!" or "I have always been that" :-), and at the same 
> time, while we are wanting to awaken, we have to do *something*, whether in 
> the mind or the body, or both, to remain focused on the process, and learn 
> primarily what *doesn't* work. :-) 

Everybody needs a guide.

[FairfieldLife] Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

[wgm4u]

Concentrating on the eye-focus each day will help our
attention withdraw from the body. Generally our sensory currents which
give us
sensation of this physical world are spread through out the body. As we
concentrate at the seat of the soul, (the Ajna Chakra) the sensory
currents start to withdraw from
our extremities, they come up from our feet and legs to our trunk, and
eventually
   are totally concentrated at the seat of the soul. Once at that point,
a
vista of divine Light and Celestial Sound opens up for us and we witness
the Light
and Sound which emanated from God at the dawn of creation. Like a
current, this
stream flows out from God through all the regions. It also returns to
Him. When
our soul comes in to contact with this stream, it can travel on it back
to the
Source.
The journey begins at the third eye, by putting our attention there, the
soul
begins its voyage to the ultimate source of happiness. This is what
meditation
is for.

Sant Mat

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Its an odd thing though. You can always look back after the fact and declare, 
> "Oh, wasn't that obvious!" or "I have always been that" :-), and at the same 
> time, while we are wanting to awaken, we have to do *something*, whether in 
> the mind or the body, or both, to remain focused on the process, and learn 
> primarily what *doesn't* work. :-) 
> 

* * * Absolutely right! And the path often involves extreme *intensity* towards 
its "end", at least in my particular recollections. And I am well aware that 
what I am speaking of here will make next to no sense to one who believes 
himself to be fundamentally separate from Us, or believes himself not to be 
Awake. How can the nondual make sense to the dual, or the paradox make sense to 
the intellect? Nonetheless, we do what we do, for so it is written: thus shall 
the Self lovingly attend to the Self, tickling our Self again and again until 
we laugh in delight, remembering anew there is only ever Us here :-)


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > "Argue for your limitations, and they're yours"
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a "goal" to be 
> > > > achieved with effort as it is conventionally understood; liberation is 
> > > > if anything more of an a priori understanding to be surrendered into. 
> > > > The only effort involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort 
> > > > -- is in the relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist 
> > > > resistance to the utter perfection of what IS, now, always has been, 
> > > > and ever shall be.
> > > 
> > > Sounds like poetic nonsense to me, some of these Yogis take years and 
> > > years to achieve Nirvikalpa Samadhi, by practicing Yama, Niyama, asana, 
> > > pranayama, pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and samprajnata Samadhi finally 
> > > leading to asamprajnata Samadhi.
> > > 
> > > It takes Many many years, (lifetimes even) MMY said as much at Fuiggi 
> > > Fonte, Italy, "You could meditate a million years and not reach unless 
> > > you come to these courses". MMY
> > > 
> > > Don't be fooled by a little mantra meditation here and there! The Guru 
> > > Dev spent years and years in a cave for Christ's sake!!
> > >
> >
>

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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi; what is Yogic Flying ?

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nQXVRjMoUE&feature=channel

[FairfieldLife] The "1 path 4 the renunciate" and "1 path 4 the householder", MYTH!

[wgm4u]

Maharishi appears to have just made this up, I see no evidence (other than 
MMY's own suggestion) that there are two different paths.  There is only ONE 
Yoga for both the householder and the renunciate, it just so happens in order 
to achieve illumination one must do what the Guru Dev did!  Are you ready for 
that?

The devil is in the details, you ain't gonna achieve Kavalia meditating on the 
mantra here and there or for some occasional extended hours, it takes years and 
years of dedication (some say lifetimes) and effort to practice all of the 
virtues and disciplines that go with it!

Patanjali taught 8, I repeat, 8 means to Yoga. Maharishi himself called them 
*means* NOT effects of Yoga. They're all meant to supplement each other! 
Samprajnata Samadhi (temporary) is ONE of the *means* along with the other 7, 
and Asamprajnata (permanent) Samadhi (YOGA or Union) is the effect.

TM is Yoga-lite for modernity, be thankful for what you have, but be well 
informed too, Yoga-lite (as taught by the tmorg) ain't gonna give you CC. BTW, 
if there are supposedly two paths, where's MMY's second one, you know, the one 
for the recluseHummm?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi on inner and outher Bliss

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 26, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXoSxzhKHhQ&NR=1
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJQUNJlilYt
> 
> Jai Maharishi. Jai The Masters of Wisdom. Jai Jai Maitreya.
> 
> Jai Moe. Jai Larry. Jai Curly.

Now, Rick...don't you realize you could be
putting your eternal soul at risk with such
irreverence?  

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[whynotnow7]

Its an odd thing though. You can always look back after the fact and declare, 
"Oh, wasn't that obvious!" or "I have always been that" :-), and at the same 
time, while we are wanting to awaken, we have to do *something*, whether in the 
mind or the body, or both, to remain focused on the process, and learn 
primarily what *doesn't* work. :-) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> "Argue for your limitations, and they're yours"
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > 
> > > * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a "goal" to be 
> > > achieved with effort as it is conventionally understood; liberation is if 
> > > anything more of an a priori understanding to be surrendered into. The 
> > > only effort involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- is 
> > > in the relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist resistance to the 
> > > utter perfection of what IS, now, always has been, and ever shall be.
> > 
> > Sounds like poetic nonsense to me, some of these Yogis take years and years 
> > to achieve Nirvikalpa Samadhi, by practicing Yama, Niyama, asana, 
> > pranayama, pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and samprajnata Samadhi finally 
> > leading to asamprajnata Samadhi.
> > 
> > It takes Many many years, (lifetimes even) MMY said as much at Fuiggi 
> > Fonte, Italy, "You could meditate a million years and not reach unless you 
> > come to these courses". MMY
> > 
> > Don't be fooled by a little mantra meditation here and there! The Guru Dev 
> > spent years and years in a cave for Christ's sake!!
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] 30 miles from SSRS?

[Tom Pall]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Peter  wrote:

>
>
> Courses usually start at 7:00 am now with 30 mins of asanas. Personally I'd
> stay at the hotel and go hangout outside Guruji's room as much as I could
> because you never know when he'll invite everybody in. Courses with Guruji
> are insanely powerful. You get swallowed by Brahman.
>
>
Do you think I was making up the time?  First full day, start at 6 AM.
Subsequent days, start at 5:30 PM.   Get to take your first break of the day
/before/ the birds wake up.   Yes, I haven't factored the part about Guruji
being there in.  There should be a lot of synchronicity amongst the cp's,
making the crush of humanity doable.

We're talking Texas.  Ranch country.  Being swallowed by Brahman has a whole
different meaning in Texas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman_%28cattle%29

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing Sahaj Samadhi

[yifuxero]

Thx...as to non-locality, just get a GPS.  It will say ("Longitude...so and so; 
Latitude...so and so"). Conventional locality exists as long as the 
conventional body does. Obviously, the Self transcends locality. No GPS can 
locate It.
...
as to the individuality, the non-individuality "realization" is simply a stage 
in evolution; actually the "last snare of Maya" that people easily get sucked 
into. Look at a model showing a simplistic linear progression (keeping in mind 
that a more accurate holographic model would be difficult to depict):
...
Evolutionary stages:
1. Creeping monocell in amorphous soup; living but no inkling of an individual 
existence, (after the raw mineral stage, no life in the ordinary sense but full 
of potential)..

2. Take a tree. Has defensive mechanisms, may be a giant oak or Sequoia, but 
not known if trees have a sense of individuality.

3. Fast forward to primates, the more advanced non-humans definitely having a 
sense of individuality.

4. Next, to humans - definitely a sense of individuality usually centered as a 
delusional "I" apparently separate from Self.

5. Neo-Advaitic stage. WHa...TF? happens here? Whoa...Nelly as Gaby Hayes 
used to say (a sidekick of Roy Rogers); now it's back to NO INVIDUALITY?? as in 
#1?  Alas, tricked by the last snare of maya.!
...
Observe this linear progression:
NO inviduality...--> Sense of Individuality, then back 
to-No individuality.
Nope. wrong model.
The no-individuality Neo-Advaitic realization is another delusion.
...
The evolutionary progression starts with No individuality and the Neo-Advaitins 
say people RETURN to that level after eons of evolution?
No.
After the individuality is developed, fine...realize the Self and then continue 
as an apparent individual, a conventional one.
...
Further unfoldment may perhaps allow for numerous Buddhistic Transformation 
bodies; i.e. multiple individualities for carrying on with some evolutionary 
purpose.
...
Can't find persons with definitive answers on what happens after physical 
death; but two metaphysical possibilites are: (after Self-Realization):
1. individuality exists, the apparent person may reside in Siddhaloka, the 
Buddhist Pure Land, perhaps Hiranyagharba, etc.; thus, according to the Pure 
Land School teachings, realized Buddhas may live in that realm along with 
people close to Enlightenment.
(then the possibility of multiple transformation bodies). Nityananda 
(Muktananda's Guru), hinted at Siddhaloka, a subtle planet inhabited by 
Self-Realized persons oriented toward Shiva devotion.

2. Complete annihilation, in the relative sense, Nirvana or blowing out, 
extinction, non-existence of any subtle body.
...
For further research: ...the role personal desires have in the outcome, as to 
one's post physical fate..
http://www.fantasygallery.net/pitre/art_4_Fate.html
Sorry Pete,...the laugh's on you.  You exist, and are a real individual; 
although "illusory". But illusory is not non-existent.
If not, who is the entity who wrote, "Yifuxero, ...(below)?? Answer that one.  
HA! ...another Neo-Advaitic trap.


>Dr.Pete says:
> Yifuxero, It's going to be f*cking hilarious one day when you directly 
> cognize the non-localization of pure consciousness and realize that in such a 
> condition there is no individuality or psychological "I" to reference. You're 
> going to say, "Holy sh*t! 'I' don't exist!"
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/26/11, yifuxero  wrote:
> 
> > From: yifuxero 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing Sahaj Samadhi
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 5:57 PM
> > right, Judy, thx for clarifying
> > that.
> > True that nature may "want" something else, in spite of our
> > choices.
> > 
> > An extended Neo-Advaitic error would go something
> > like..."it's the Gunas that made the choice, not me". 
> > The glitch here is that although the Egoic false-identified
> > "I" may no longer exist, the entity making the choices is
> > the body/mind AS the Gunas.
> > Saying the Gunas made the choice would be ommitting the
> > fact that the body/mind is part/parcel of the Gunas making
> > up the Totality.
> > If a Neo-A. says "The Totality made the choice"; this is
> > partially correct but incomplete since the body/mind is
> > still part of the Totality and we are back to square one
> > identifying who made the choice.
> > Thus, there is no evading who/what made the choice, as long
> > as the conventional individual is embodied. Even though
> > individuality can be considered to be "illusory"; that
> > illusory entity made the choices, perhaps though no
> > misidentified Ego may be present.
> > ...
> > But regardless of E. or not, the conventional body/mind
> > makes choices (and then Nature as a whole may direct the
> > outcome; obviously not everything goes as planned or
> > wanted).
> > ...
> > Also, though no falsely identified Ego may exist, the
> > social/transactional ego still does; e.g. a small group may
> > be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 30 miles from SSRS?

[Tom Pall]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:15 PM, martyboi  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Done both.
>
> For me:
>
> In residence seems to go much deeper. Lots of peace, bliss and knowledge.
> The sense of "grace" in the environment is very, very palpable (After any
> appropriate unstressing, of course).
>
> Staying in a remote location is more like taking a nice vacation. How well
> you play with others is a factor in this decision...
>
>
Indeed how well you play with others.  I see your point about being remote.
But I'm only talking about being remote driving back to hotel, sleeping in
the hotel, driving back in the morning and staying all day long.


>
> YMMV
>
> FYI: AOL doesn't coddle high-maintenance people, that is they let you "own"
> your own "stuff". Therefore, don't expect much personal accommodation,
> (unless you have a medical condition). They have solved most of the people
> issues by maintaining silence...a very smart move IMO.
>
>
>
Well, I happen to not be a high maintenance person.   But I don't like the
idea of sharing a bathroom with 3 other guys.  Did that once.  It was Hell.

OTOH, if SSRS is as blissful as people say, maybe it'll all go wonderfully
smoothly.

[FairfieldLife] His Divine Holiness on teaching

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vy6fpoN-s4

[FairfieldLife] The Self is Bliss - a late call from His Divine Holiness

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJQUNJlilY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Rory, you're a Neo-Advaitin flip-flopper. There are 4 choices, if goal is 
> placed along with the model (goal goes along with effort, sometimes at least)
> a. involves a goal with effort
> b. doesn't need a goal and is effortless
> c. somehow involves both a non-goal and a goal; along with effort and 
> non-effort.
> d. involves effort in terms of practice, (a minimal amount, agreed); but 
> without a goal.

* * * How about, "none of the above"? You appear to be trying to use your 
intellect to make distinctions and thereby carve out The Truth. Ultimately it 
can't be done; the intellect is the wrong "tool" for That. It's too crude to 
"grasp" the Self, as the Self is subtler than the intellect; is "behind" the 
intellect. Only the Self remembers and surrenders into the Self; the intellect 
has to come to see it is not capable of doing the job. The intellect is dual; 
the truth is not.  The intellect believes itself to be bound by space and time, 
and believes itself to be on a path to somewhere; the truth does not. The 
intellect is all about cause and effect -- all about Doing, while the truth is 
all about simply Being. Truth is paradoxical; it's not an either-or 
proposition. 


> Your ans uses the word "practice". That involves effort (usually), in the 
> real world, at least taking the time to medidate on a regular basis.
> ...
> "No practice" exceptions are rare.
> Of course, one can practice without a goal, but some effort goes along with 
> practice. 
> http://www.fantasygallery.net/stone/art_5_Lavendar-Fairy-and-Dragon.html  
> 

Yes; I probably should have just used the word "Time" or "Grace" or 
"Attention-flow". Really; it is the latter: Simply simple Attention-flow, from 
the Self to the Self. 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the 
> > > goal, to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being 
> > > a Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.
> > >
> > * * * Yes, although I would perhaps say great *attention* or *clarity* or 
> > *devotion* or *practice* rather than great effort, as the word *effort* is 
> > so easily misconstrued into an egoic striving, which actually takes us 
> > further from the goal, if that is possible... And even that hypothetical 
> > Neo-Advaitin if he has any integrity or self-awareness will realize that he 
> > has *not* actually surrendered via his merely intellectual realization, as 
> > his judgments and sufferings and demonizations will continue to plague him, 
> > if he has not completed the Great Work into utter resistance-free 
> > effortlessness :-)
> >
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi on inner and outher Bliss

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:40 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi on inner and outher Bliss

 

  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXoSxzhKHhQ
 &NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJQUNJlilYt

Jai Maharishi. Jai The Masters of Wisdom. Jai Jai Maitreya. 

Jai Moe. Jai Larry. Jai Curly. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 30 miles from SSRS?

[Peter]

Courses usually start at 7:00 am now with 30 mins of asanas. Personally I'd 
stay at the hotel and go hangout outside Guruji's room as much as I could 
because you never know when he'll invite everybody in. Courses with Guruji are 
insanely powerful. You get swallowed by Brahman.  

--- On Wed, 1/26/11, Tom Pall  wrote:

From: Tom Pall 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 30 miles from SSRS?
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 4:03 PM

















 












Just how important is it to be on the same few acres as SSRS?

There's going to be a 4 day A o S course at the US Ashram in April.  SSRS will 
arrive for the 2nd half of the A of S course and will be available the day and 
night the course ends.   There's a hotel option and an on-ashram option.


There's a very nice Holiday Inn Express 30 miles, 35 minutes drive away.  The 
alternative is staying at the ashram, packed 4 to a room, 4 to a bathroom.  Now 
drawbacks I can see is that course leaders like to start of the morning part of 
the program early, say 5:30 AM.  Adding a 35 minute commute wouldn't help in 
getting enough sleep and being where a mobile phone works and there's Wi-Fi and 
cable TM wouldn't help that much with keeping silence.   Then of course there's 
the coffee maker and passing McDonald's in both directions.  One might want to 
reserve the hotel for a few days after the course is over just in case SSRS 
decides to turn satsung into an all-nighter. 


Advice, besides keeping entirely away from sweet poison?
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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi on inner and outher Bliss

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXoSxzhKHhQ&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJQUNJlilYt

Jai Maharishi. Jai The Masters of Wisdom. Jai Jai Maitreya. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[yifuxero]

So are yours!...indeed; likewise, with everyone, even Ramana Maharshi's. The 
first "perfect" person (relatively speaking) stand up and identify 
yourself(didn't think so).
everybody seems to be work in progress, unfinished business; with some 
retrogressing.
http://www.fantasygallery.net/beauvais/art_8_MoonlightRides.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> "Argue for your limitations, and they're yours"
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > 
> > > * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a "goal" to be 
> > > achieved with effort as it is conventionally understood; liberation is if 
> > > anything more of an a priori understanding to be surrendered into. The 
> > > only effort involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- is 
> > > in the relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist resistance to the 
> > > utter perfection of what IS, now, always has been, and ever shall be.
> > 
> > Sounds like poetic nonsense to me, some of these Yogis take years and years 
> > to achieve Nirvikalpa Samadhi, by practicing Yama, Niyama, asana, 
> > pranayama, pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and samprajnata Samadhi finally 
> > leading to asamprajnata Samadhi.
> > 
> > It takes Many many years, (lifetimes even) MMY said as much at Fuiggi 
> > Fonte, Italy, "You could meditate a million years and not reach unless you 
> > come to these courses". MMY
> > 
> > Don't be fooled by a little mantra meditation here and there! The Guru Dev 
> > spent years and years in a cave for Christ's sake!!
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing Sahaj Samadhi

[Peter]

Yifuxero, It's going to be f*cking hilarious one day when you directly cognize 
the non-localization of pure consciousness and realize that in such a condition 
there is no individuality or psychological "I" to reference. You're going to 
say, "Holy sh*t! 'I' don't exist!"

--- On Wed, 1/26/11, yifuxero  wrote:

> From: yifuxero 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing Sahaj Samadhi
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 5:57 PM
> right, Judy, thx for clarifying
> that.
> True that nature may "want" something else, in spite of our
> choices.
> 
> An extended Neo-Advaitic error would go something
> like..."it's the Gunas that made the choice, not me". 
> The glitch here is that although the Egoic false-identified
> "I" may no longer exist, the entity making the choices is
> the body/mind AS the Gunas.
> Saying the Gunas made the choice would be ommitting the
> fact that the body/mind is part/parcel of the Gunas making
> up the Totality.
> If a Neo-A. says "The Totality made the choice"; this is
> partially correct but incomplete since the body/mind is
> still part of the Totality and we are back to square one
> identifying who made the choice.
> Thus, there is no evading who/what made the choice, as long
> as the conventional individual is embodied. Even though
> individuality can be considered to be "illusory"; that
> illusory entity made the choices, perhaps though no
> misidentified Ego may be present.
> ...
> But regardless of E. or not, the conventional body/mind
> makes choices (and then Nature as a whole may direct the
> outcome; obviously not everything goes as planned or
> wanted).
> ...
> Also, though no falsely identified Ego may exist, the
> social/transactional ego still does; e.g. a small group may
> be present with MMY eager to find out what choices he
> made.  After the meeting, they talk to one-another:
> "Wow, what a great choice"!, or "Wow, that choice was
> crap".
> Obviously, MMY made choices, granted he may not have had an
> misidentified Ego. Often, the outcome differed than his
> desires.
> However, there still was an conventional individual,
> namely, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a real (although apparent)
> person.
> He made choices..
> 
> The unmanifest Self is always "choiceless"; but the
> conventional body/mind makes choices, often with an
> expectation of results.
> 
> Judy, thanks for not being a Neo-A. 
> http://www.fantasygallery.net/ravenscroft/art_6_a-touch-of-frost.html
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> Yifu Xero  wrote:
> > 
> > > I would dispute the existence of "choiceless
> awareness",
> > > or doership without regard to consequences.
> > > Take an Enlightened person who both before and
> after E.
> > > works as a commodities trader.  Is somebody
> saying that
> > > after E. there's no "choice" as to trades, and
> their
> > > outcome?  If not, he'd be out on the street
> without a job.
> > 
> > It isn't that no choices are made; it's that "I"
> don't
> > make the choice. Rather, the choice happens as the
> result
> > of the interaction of the three gunas, or Nature
> > (according to MMY's teaching and the Gita).
> > 
> > The "I" who doesn't make the choice is the same "I"
> who
> > says, "I do not act at all."
> > 
> > As to being out on the street without a job, that may
> be
> > what Nature "wants." Nature may have something else
> in
> > mind for me, for its own inscrutable reasons.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[RoryGoff]

"Argue for your limitations, and they're yours"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> 
> > * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a "goal" to be achieved 
> > with effort as it is conventionally understood; liberation is if anything 
> > more of an a priori understanding to be surrendered into. The only effort 
> > involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- is in the 
> > relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist resistance to the utter 
> > perfection of what IS, now, always has been, and ever shall be.
> 
> Sounds like poetic nonsense to me, some of these Yogis take years and years 
> to achieve Nirvikalpa Samadhi, by practicing Yama, Niyama, asana, pranayama, 
> pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and samprajnata Samadhi finally leading to 
> asamprajnata Samadhi.
> 
> It takes Many many years, (lifetimes even) MMY said as much at Fuiggi Fonte, 
> Italy, "You could meditate a million years and not reach unless you come to 
> these courses". MMY
> 
> Don't be fooled by a little mantra meditation here and there! The Guru Dev 
> spent years and years in a cave for Christ's sake!!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > > Yoga is the *isolation* of the Purusha from the 
> > > > prakriti.
> > > >
> RoryGoff:
> > * * * Yoga is Union; this *begins* with the isolation of 
> > the Purusha from the Prakriti, and ends in the paradoxical 
> > realization that the two are not different: Absolute and 
> > relarive, stillness and activity, nirvana and samskara -- 
> > all the same, all the divine Alchemical Marriage of Us.
"WillyTex"  wrote:
> You cannot have a union of Purusha and prakriti. According
> to MMY, the Purusha is totally separate from the prakriti.
> When the prakriti overshadows the Purusha, we identify with
> the prakriti and not with the Purusha.

* * * Absolutely correct; that is the Unity of Ignorance, when the Witness 
(Purusha) is lost in the World (Prakriti). And when we realize the Purusha is 
utterly separate from Prakriti, then the Witness stands alone, witnessing the 
world, as you have quoted below. That would appear to be more or less 
equivalent to MMY's CC. There is at that point a dynamic tension and even 
opposition between the Witness and the World, between Purusha and Prakriti, 
that begs to be resolved, and is indeed resolved when we surrender into the 
paradoxical Understanding that the Witness and the World are two sides of the 
same coin, and in reality the coin has no sides at all -- is in fact nondual.

> 
> That's why Patanjali defined Yoga as *isolation*, 'kaivalya',
> the cessation of the mind-stuff. There is no mind-stuff in 
> the Purusha - it's totally devoid of conditioning.
> 
> Yoga is the cessation of the mental turnings of the mind. 
> When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute stands by 
> itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the world.
> 
> The mental impressions are held together by cause and effect, 
> and they disappear with the total disappearance of these 
> four." —Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 11-12.
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[blusc0ut]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>

> "...a renowned Buddhist scholar who was once among the top Dhammakaya 
> leaders, heading its entire American operations, has become a rabid critic 
> since leaving the temple. He called Dhammakaya's rapid growth and mass 
> ceremonies "power trips"... "

Some about his retreat is here: 
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5930

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/20/close_encounters_of_the_buddhist_kind?page=0,19
 


There's  a WP entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Phra_Dhammakaya

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi on TM and knowledge

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGLLDEYFAzs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXoSxzhKHhQ&NR=1

Maharishi on the future of man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuY7kT3pfDk&feature=channel

[FairfieldLife] Re: 30 miles from SSRS?

[martyboi]

Done both.

For me:

In residence seems to go much deeper. Lots of peace, bliss and knowledge. The 
sense of "grace" in the environment is very, very palpable (After any 
appropriate unstressing, of course).

Staying in a remote location is more like taking a nice vacation. How well you 
play with others is a factor in this decision...


YMMV

FYI: AOL doesn't coddle high-maintenance people, that is they let you "own" 
your own "stuff". Therefore, don't expect much personal accommodation, (unless 
you have a medical condition). They have solved most of the people issues by 
maintaining silence...a very smart move IMO.

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi onTM

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGLLDEYFAzs

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing Sahaj Samadhi

[yifuxero]

right, Judy, thx for clarifying that.
True that nature may "want" something else, in spite of our choices.

An extended Neo-Advaitic error would go something like..."it's the Gunas that 
made the choice, not me".  The glitch here is that although the Egoic 
false-identified "I" may no longer exist, the entity making the choices is the 
body/mind AS the Gunas.
Saying the Gunas made the choice would be ommitting the fact that the body/mind 
is part/parcel of the Gunas making up the Totality.
If a Neo-A. says "The Totality made the choice"; this is partially correct but 
incomplete since the body/mind is still part of the Totality and we are back to 
square one identifying who made the choice.
Thus, there is no evading who/what made the choice, as long as the conventional 
individual is embodied. Even though individuality can be considered to be 
"illusory"; that illusory entity made the choices, perhaps though no 
misidentified Ego may be present.
...
But regardless of E. or not, the conventional body/mind makes choices (and then 
Nature as a whole may direct the outcome; obviously not everything goes as 
planned or wanted).
...
Also, though no falsely identified Ego may exist, the social/transactional ego 
still does; e.g. a small group may be present with MMY eager to find out what 
choices he made.  After the meeting, they talk to one-another: "Wow, what a 
great choice"!, or "Wow, that choice was crap".
Obviously, MMY made choices, granted he may not have had an misidentified Ego. 
Often, the outcome differed than his desires.
However, there still was an conventional individual, namely, Maharishi Mahesh 
Yogi, a real (although apparent) person.
He made choices..

The unmanifest Self is always "choiceless"; but the conventional body/mind 
makes choices, often with an expectation of results.

Judy, thanks for not being a Neo-A. 
http://www.fantasygallery.net/ravenscroft/art_6_a-touch-of-frost.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero  wrote:
> 
> > I would dispute the existence of "choiceless awareness",
> > or doership without regard to consequences.
> > Take an Enlightened person who both before and after E.
> > works as a commodities trader.  Is somebody saying that
> > after E. there's no "choice" as to trades, and their
> > outcome?  If not, he'd be out on the street without a job.
> 
> It isn't that no choices are made; it's that "I" don't
> make the choice. Rather, the choice happens as the result
> of the interaction of the three gunas, or Nature
> (according to MMY's teaching and the Gita).
> 
> The "I" who doesn't make the choice is the same "I" who
> says, "I do not act at all."
> 
> As to being out on the street without a job, that may be
> what Nature "wants." Nature may have something else in
> mind for me, for its own inscrutable reasons.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > * * * Yes, although I would perhaps say great *attention* or *clarity* or 
> > *devotion* or *practice* rather than great effort, as the word *effort* is 
> > so easily misconstrued into an egoic striving, which actually takes us 
> > further from the goal, if that is possible... And even that hypothetical 
> > Neo-Advaitin if he has any integrity or self-awareness will realize that he 
> > has *not* actually surrendered via his merely intellectual realization, as 
> > his judgments and sufferings and demonizations will continue to plague him, 
> > if he has not completed the Great Work into utter resistance-free 
> > effortlessness :-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkxL0z0D60

Jai Maharishi. All glory to Guru Dev !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGLLDEYFAzs

[FairfieldLife] Let It Be

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzz53wCLD3Y

[FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Om, those upholstered chairs in the front row. Slide 16.  Ego?  What kind of 
> a donation might it take to get one of those out front of everyone else?  
> Buddhists beware, TM dismantled a movement using chairs like those too.  
> Forewarned is forearmed. Look where TM is now.
> -Buck 

All of the suits of Divine Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi that I know was 
furbished by IKEA. Sofas, chairs, carpets.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Om, those upholstered chairs in the front row. Ego? Slide 16.(17) 
> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/20/close_encounters_of_the_buddhist_kind?page=0,16
>  What kind of a donation might it take to get one of those out 
> front of everyone else?  Buddhists beware, TM dismantled a movement using 
> chairs like those too.  Forewarned is forearmed. Look where TM is now.
> -Buck 
> 
>

"...a renowned Buddhist scholar who was once among the top Dhammakaya leaders, 
heading its entire American operations, has become a rabid critic since leaving 
the temple. He called Dhammakaya's rapid growth and mass ceremonies "power 
trips"... "

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/20/close_encounters_of_the_buddhist_kind?page=0,19
 

 
> >
> > > http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/20/close_encounters_of_the_buddhist_kind
> > >
> > 
> > Amazing photos really.
> > 
> > If their goal was to create practicing meditators it
> > seems they did pretty well.  In forty years, 
> > how many million meditators?  In a country
> > Of 67-68 million people.  2 in 'bout 70 people?
> > 
> > TM taught about a million (900K) during a time a few years ago
> > in America.  Back when the population was under 300 million.  
> > 1 in 300.
> > 
> > -B
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > This Slate.com article is for Nabby. I figure he'll really
> > > like the familiarity of a cult that stages elaborately 
> > > choreographed rallies, has an evangelist vision that seeks 
> > > to promote a "world morality restoration project" and a 
> > > program that encourages hundreds of thousands of children 
> > > to improve "positive moral behavior," and raises billions 
> > > of dollars to spread its message. So far, it sounds a lot 
> > > like the David Lynch Foundation, doesn't it? Besides, this 
> > > cult has a headquarters that looks like a giant UFO. Nabby 
> > > will like that.
> > > 
> > > But wait. The cult is Buddhist. Nabby *won't* like that.  :-)
> > > 
> > > Hint, Nabs...neither do I. Talk about missing the whole 
> > > point of Buddhist teaching. Icky as hell. Makes my skin
> > > crawl. But neat photos, so check out the slideshow-style
> > > article for them if nothing else:
> > > 
> > > http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/20/close_encounters_of_the_buddhist_kind
> > > 
> > > For the record, Southeast Asian Buddhism (this cult is
> > > Thai) has always been to Buddhism like Southern Baptists
> > > are to Christianity. Rules, rules, rules...everything 
> > > revolves around the Vinaya, a Big Book 'O Rules that 
> > > almost certainly was created centuries after Buddha's 
> > > death, and has little to do with his teachings. And 
> > > they've definitely turned what Buddha himself said was 
> > > *not* a religion into one. As I said, I find it icky. 
> > > But YMMV.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[Ravi Yogi]

Dear yifuxero,

Thanks for your kind comments. But I can't say Rory is a neo advaitin 
flip-flopper. I liked how he stated it and I think I understand his predicament 
to put it into words.

For me the following analogy helped

I was born carrying a piece of pebble, as I got older this pebble began 
growing. I suffered a great deal because of it, I got more miserable as it kept 
getting bigger and heavier. I had no idea I was carrying it, because of my 
Guru's grace and my efforts I was able to drop it and be free.

So it's ok IMHO to call it effort, grace, devotion, practice.

Eventhough the rock was imaginary it was real and frightening to me. So I would 
disagree if someone says thete's nothing to be done or it's all imaginary & 
illusory.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Rory, you're a Neo-Advaitin flip-flopper. There are 4 choices, if goal is 
> placed along with the model (goal goes along with effort, sometimes at least)
> a. involves a goal with effort
> b. doesn't need a goal and is effortless
> c. somehow involves both a non-goal and a goal; along with effort and 
> non-effort.
> d. involves effort in terms of practice, (a minimal amount, agreed); but 
> without a goal.
> ...
> Your ans uses the word "practice". That involves effort (usually), in the 
> real world, at least taking the time to medidate on a regular basis.
> ...
> "No practice" exceptions are rare.
> Of course, one can practice without a goal, but some effort goes along with 
> practice. 
> http://www.fantasygallery.net/stone/art_5_Lavendar-Fairy-and-Dragon.html  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the 
> > > goal, to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being 
> > > a Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.
> > >
> > * * * Yes, although I would perhaps say great *attention* or *clarity* or 
> > *devotion* or *practice* rather than great effort, as the word *effort* is 
> > so easily misconstrued into an egoic striving, which actually takes us 
> > further from the goal, if that is possible... And even that hypothetical 
> > Neo-Advaitin if he has any integrity or self-awareness will realize that he 
> > has *not* actually surrendered via his merely intellectual realization, as 
> > his judgments and sufferings and demonizations will continue to plague him, 
> > if he has not completed the Great Work into utter resistance-free 
> > effortlessness :-)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> >
> * * * Yes, although I would perhaps say great *attention* or *clarity* or 
> *devotion* or *practice* rather than great effort, as the word *effort* is so 
> easily misconstrued into an egoic striving, which actually takes us further 
> from the goal, if that is possible... And even that hypothetical Neo-Advaitin 
> if he has any integrity or self-awareness will realize that he has *not* 
> actually surrendered via his merely intellectual realization, as his 
> judgments and sufferings and demonizations will continue to plague him, if he 
> has not completed the Great Work into utter resistance-free effortlessness :-)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkxL0z0D60

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing Sahaj Samadhi

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero  wrote:

> I would dispute the existence of "choiceless awareness",
> or doership without regard to consequences.
> Take an Enlightened person who both before and after E.
> works as a commodities trader.  Is somebody saying that
> after E. there's no "choice" as to trades, and their
> outcome?  If not, he'd be out on the street without a job.

It isn't that no choices are made; it's that "I" don't
make the choice. Rather, the choice happens as the result
of the interaction of the three gunas, or Nature
(according to MMY's teaching and the Gita).

The "I" who doesn't make the choice is the same "I" who
says, "I do not act at all."

As to being out on the street without a job, that may be
what Nature "wants." Nature may have something else in
mind for me, for its own inscrutable reasons.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> 
> > Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the 
> > goal, to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being a 
> > Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.
> >
> * * * Yes, although I would perhaps say great *attention* or *clarity* or 
> *devotion* or *practice* rather than great effort, as the word *effort* is so 
> easily misconstrued into an egoic striving, which actually takes us further 
> from the goal, if that is possible... And even that hypothetical Neo-Advaitin 
> if he has any integrity or self-awareness will realize that he has *not* 
> actually surrendered via his merely intellectual realization, as his 
> judgments and sufferings and demonizations will continue to plague him, if he 
> has not completed the Great Work into utter resistance-free effortlessness :-)

Wrong again; you use your own *WILL* (power) to conform to God's *WILL*, hence 
you are in harmony with the laws of nature. Even in TM effort is required to 
continue to meditate and go to the domes etc. only during the practice itself 
is effort not really required.
Effort is a GOOD thing...not a BAD thing!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:

> * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a "goal" to be achieved 
> with effort as it is conventionally understood; liberation is if anything 
> more of an a priori understanding to be surrendered into. The only effort 
> involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- is in the 
> relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist resistance to the utter 
> perfection of what IS, now, always has been, and ever shall be.

Sounds like poetic nonsense to me, some of these Yogis take years and years to 
achieve Nirvikalpa Samadhi, by practicing Yama, Niyama, asana, pranayama, 
pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and samprajnata Samadhi finally leading to 
asamprajnata Samadhi.

It takes Many many years, (lifetimes even) MMY said as much at Fuiggi Fonte, 
Italy, "You could meditate a million years and not reach unless you come to 
these courses". MMY

Don't be fooled by a little mantra meditation here and there! The Guru Dev 
spent years and years in a cave for Christ's sake!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: 30 miles from SSRS?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> Advice, besides keeping entirely away from sweet poison?

Get a checking !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[WillyTex]

> >  * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not 
> > really a "goal" to be achieved with effort as 
> > it is conventionally understood; liberation is 
> > if anything more of an a priori understanding 
> > to be surrendered into. The only effort involved, 
> > is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- 
> > is in the relinquishment of one's ingrained and 
> > separatist resistance to the utter perfection of 
> > what IS, now, always has been, and ever shall be.
> > >
yifuxero:
> Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize 
> the futility of the goal, to be effortless and utterly 
> relaxed. Otherwise we could end being a Neo-Advaitin 
> who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.
> 
All of Wilber's AQAL categories — quadrants, lines, 
levels, states, and types — relate to relative truth in 
the two truths doctrine of Buddhism, to which he 
subscribes.

According to Wilber, none of these relative levels are 
true in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, 
"the simple feeling of being," exists absolutely.

Read more:

'The Spectrum of Consciousness'
By Ken Wilber
Quest Books, 1993

[FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[Buck]

Om, those upholstered chairs in the front row. Slide 16.  Ego?  What kind of a 
donation might it take to get one of those out front of everyone else?  
Buddhists beware, TM dismantled a movement using chairs like those too.  
Forewarned is forearmed. Look where TM is now.
-Buck 


>
> > http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/20/close_encounters_of_the_buddhist_kind
> >
> 
> Amazing photos really.
> 
> If their goal was to create practicing meditators it
> seems they did pretty well.  In forty years, 
> how many million meditators?  In a country
> Of 67-68 million people.  2 in 'bout 70 people?
> 
> TM taught about a million (900K) during a time a few years ago
> in America.  Back when the population was under 300 million.  
> 1 in 300.
> 
> -B
>  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > This Slate.com article is for Nabby. I figure he'll really
> > like the familiarity of a cult that stages elaborately 
> > choreographed rallies, has an evangelist vision that seeks 
> > to promote a "world morality restoration project" and a 
> > program that encourages hundreds of thousands of children 
> > to improve "positive moral behavior," and raises billions 
> > of dollars to spread its message. So far, it sounds a lot 
> > like the David Lynch Foundation, doesn't it? Besides, this 
> > cult has a headquarters that looks like a giant UFO. Nabby 
> > will like that.
> > 
> > But wait. The cult is Buddhist. Nabby *won't* like that.  :-)
> > 
> > Hint, Nabs...neither do I. Talk about missing the whole 
> > point of Buddhist teaching. Icky as hell. Makes my skin
> > crawl. But neat photos, so check out the slideshow-style
> > article for them if nothing else:
> > 
> > http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/20/close_encounters_of_the_buddhist_kind
> > 
> > For the record, Southeast Asian Buddhism (this cult is
> > Thai) has always been to Buddhism like Southern Baptists
> > are to Christianity. Rules, rules, rules...everything 
> > revolves around the Vinaya, a Big Book 'O Rules that 
> > almost certainly was created centuries after Buddha's 
> > death, and has little to do with his teachings. And 
> > they've definitely turned what Buddha himself said was 
> > *not* a religion into one. As I said, I find it icky. 
> > But YMMV.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[yifuxero]

Rory, you're a Neo-Advaitin flip-flopper. There are 4 choices, if goal is 
placed along with the model (goal goes along with effort, sometimes at least)
a. involves a goal with effort
b. doesn't need a goal and is effortless
c. somehow involves both a non-goal and a goal; along with effort and 
non-effort.
d. involves effort in terms of practice, (a minimal amount, agreed); but 
without a goal.
...
Your ans uses the word "practice". That involves effort (usually), in the real 
world, at least taking the time to medidate on a regular basis.
...
"No practice" exceptions are rare.
Of course, one can practice without a goal, but some effort goes along with 
practice. 
http://www.fantasygallery.net/stone/art_5_Lavendar-Fairy-and-Dragon.html  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> 
> > Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the 
> > goal, to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being a 
> > Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.
> >
> * * * Yes, although I would perhaps say great *attention* or *clarity* or 
> *devotion* or *practice* rather than great effort, as the word *effort* is so 
> easily misconstrued into an egoic striving, which actually takes us further 
> from the goal, if that is possible... And even that hypothetical Neo-Advaitin 
> if he has any integrity or self-awareness will realize that he has *not* 
> actually surrendered via his merely intellectual realization, as his 
> judgments and sufferings and demonizations will continue to plague him, if he 
> has not completed the Great Work into utter resistance-free effortlessness :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[WillyTex]

> > > Yoga is the *isolation* of the Purusha from the 
> > > prakriti.
> > >
RoryGoff:
> * * * Yoga is Union; this *begins* with the isolation of 
> the Purusha from the Prakriti, and ends in the paradoxical 
> realization that the two are not different: Absolute and 
> relarive, stillness and activity, nirvana and samskara -- 
> all the same, all the divine Alchemical Marriage of Us.
>
You cannot have a union of Purusha and prakriti. According
to MMY, the Purusha is totally separate from the prakriti.
When the prakriti overshadows the Purusha, we identify with
the prakriti and not with the Purusha.

That's why Patanjali defined Yoga as *isolation*, 'kaivalya',
the cessation of the mind-stuff. There is no mind-stuff in 
the Purusha - it's totally devoid of conditioning.

Yoga is the cessation of the mental turnings of the mind. 
When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute stands by 
itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the world.

The mental impressions are held together by cause and effect, 
and they disappear with the total disappearance of these 
four." —Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 11-12.

> > This cannot be accomplished with goal-driven effort, for
> > the simple reason that you are going to get only as much
> > enlightenment as you are going to get. 
> > 
> > No amount of effort is going to get rid of your past 
> > samskaras. The only way to do that is through tapas and 
> > many lives to burn up your accumulated karma and at the 
> > same time to accrue no new karma. 
> > 
> > But 'liberation' would not be a step-wise process, as the 
> > historical Buddha found out after five years of striving. 
> > 
> > It is only when he sat down under Bodhi Tree and accepted 
> > conditioning as it is, what is, that he had his great
> > realization. It's an all or nothing event - but it is not
> > achieved by striving.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[yifuxero]

precisely, Ravi!..; otherwise, Neo-Advaitin nonsense.
http://www.fantasygallery.net/wolf/art_4_fdruid.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Right on! :-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > On Jan 26, 2011, at 10:08 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > "Effort achieves the goal." - Shiva Sutra
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Goal? We don't need no stinkin' goal. Buddha Berra.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The goal refers to jivanmukti, or liberation in this very life.
> > 
> > * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a "goal" to be achieved 
> > with effort as it is conventionally understood; liberation is if anything 
> > more of an a priori understanding to be surrendered into. The only effort 
> > involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- is in the 
> > relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist resistance to the utter 
> > perfection of what IS, now, always has been, and ever shall be.
> >
> 
> Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the goal, 
> to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being a 
> Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[WillyTex]

> > "Effort achieves the goal." - Shiva Sutra
> >
sparaig: 
> Goal? We don't need no stinkin' goal. Buddha 
> Berra.
>
"if there is no next goal, then there is no sense of 
the Self and non-Self envying each other. The envy is 
only for the sake of fulfillment, for the sake of 
progress, for the sake of more and more..."

'The Concise Yoga Vasistha'
By Swami Venkatesananda and Christopher Chapple  
State University of New York Press, 1984 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/257451

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:

> Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the goal, 
> to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being a 
> Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.
>
* * * Yes, although I would perhaps say great *attention* or *clarity* or 
*devotion* or *practice* rather than great effort, as the word *effort* is so 
easily misconstrued into an egoic striving, which actually takes us further 
from the goal, if that is possible... And even that hypothetical Neo-Advaitin 
if he has any integrity or self-awareness will realize that he has *not* 
actually surrendered via his merely intellectual realization, as his judgments 
and sufferings and demonizations will continue to plague him, if he has not 
completed the Great Work into utter resistance-free effortlessness :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Right on! :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Jan 26, 2011, at 10:08 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > "Effort achieves the goal." - Shiva Sutra
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Goal? We don't need no stinkin' goal. Buddha Berra.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The goal refers to jivanmukti, or liberation in this very life.
> 
> * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a "goal" to be achieved 
> with effort as it is conventionally understood; liberation is if anything 
> more of an a priori understanding to be surrendered into. The only effort 
> involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- is in the 
> relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist resistance to the utter 
> perfection of what IS, now, always has been, and ever shall be.
>

Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the goal, 
to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being a 
Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[RoryGoff]

 
Vaj wrote:
> > > > The goal refers to jivanmukti, or liberation in this 
> > > > very life.

> RoryGoff wrote:
> > * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a 
> > "goal" to be achieved with effort as it is conventionally 
> > understood; liberation is if anything more of an a priori 
> > understanding to be surrendered into. The only effort 
> > involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- 
> > is in the relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist 
> > resistance to the utter perfection of what IS, now, always
> > has been, and ever shall be.

 "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
>> Yoga is the *isolation* of the Purusha from the prakriti.

* * * Yoga is Union; this *begins* with the isolation of the Purusha from the 
Prakriti, and ends in the paradoxical realization that the two are not 
different: Absolute and relarive, stillness and activity, nirvana and samskara 
-- all the same, all the divine Alchemical Marriage of Us.

> This cannot be accomplished with goal-driven effort, for
> the simple reason that you are going to get only as much
> enlightenment as you are going to get. 
> 
> No amount of effort is going to get rid of your past 
> samskaras. The only way to do that is through tapas and 
> many lives to burn up your accumulated karma and at the same
> time to accrue no new karma. 
> 
> But 'liberation' would not be a step-wise process, as the 
> historical Buddha found out after five years of striving. 
> 
> It is only when he sat down under Bodhi Tree and accepted 
> conditioning as it is, what is, that he had his great
> realization. It's an all or nothing event - but it is not
> achieved by striving.


>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[WillyTex]

> > > The goal refers to jivanmukti, or liberation in this 
> > > very life.
> > >
RoryGoff:
> * * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a 
> "goal" to be achieved with effort as it is conventionally 
> understood; liberation is if anything more of an a priori 
> understanding to be surrendered into. The only effort 
> involved, is in the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- 
> is in the relinquishment of one's ingrained and separatist 
> resistance to the utter perfection of what IS, now, always
> has been, and ever shall be.
>
Yoga is the *isolation* of the Purusha from the prakriti.

This cannot be accomplished with goal-driven effort, for
the simple reason that you are going to get only as much
enlightenment as you are going to get. 

No amount of effort is going to get rid of your past 
samskaras. The only way to do that is through tapas and 
many lives to burn up your accumulated karma and at the same
time to accrue no new karma. 

But 'liberation' would not be a step-wise process, as the 
historical Buddha found out after five years of striving. 

It is only when he sat down under Bodhi Tree and accepted 
conditioning as it is, what is, that he had his great
realization. It's an all or nothing event - but it is not
achieved by striving.

[FairfieldLife] 30 miles from SSRS?

[Tom Pall]

Just how important is it to be on the same few acres as SSRS?

There's going to be a 4 day A o S course at the US Ashram in April.  SSRS
will arrive for the 2nd half of the A of S course and will be available the
day and night the course ends.   There's a hotel option and an on-ashram
option.

There's a very nice Holiday Inn Express 30 miles, 35 minutes drive away.
The alternative is staying at the ashram, packed 4 to a room, 4 to a
bathroom.  Now drawbacks I can see is that course leaders like to start of
the morning part of the program early, say 5:30 AM.  Adding a 35 minute
commute wouldn't help in getting enough sleep and being where a mobile phone
works and there's Wi-Fi and cable TM wouldn't help that much with keeping
silence.   Then of course there's the coffee maker and passing McDonald's in
both directions.  One might want to reserve the hotel for a few days after
the course is over just in case SSRS decides to turn satsung into an
all-nighter.

Advice, besides keeping entirely away from sweet poison?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> Are you sure you didn't mean the 6th?

Vaj the confusor at work :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:33 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > BTW, how do you know what I mean by "mantra" in the first place?
> > 
> > The assumption I was making was that you were referring to the  
> > practice of TM.
> > 
> > > Are you sitting in my head, evaluating my thinking process, judging  
> > > how refined or not refined it has become?
> > >
> > > I sometimes get the impression that for you, "mantra" is this  
> > > sacred mental phonetic thing that is always well-defined or at  
> > > least hemi-semi-demi-well-defined.
> > >
> > > Where do you draw the line between thinking the mantra, thinking  
> > > some "other" thought, or simply being? I often find that the  
> > > distinction between mantra and other thoughts becomes less and less  
> > > obvious. Likewise, as with making a distinction between thinking  
> > > and not thinking, it easily becomes irrelevant.
> > >
> > > Again, it seems to me that you have a need to categorize everything  
> > > into nice, neat categories. This may be the source of your  
> > > frustration with TM, you know.
> > 
> > I really never had much or any frustration with TM. I simply went to  
> > another teacher and learned the full chain of my "TM mantra", her  
> > dhyana-vidhi (visualizations) and how to use her yantra and do the  
> > necessary yagyas. So rather than frustration, I felt fulfillment, as  
> > I reached a point where I did not have any more questions.
> > 
> > It actually wasn't I who categorized mantra-shastra, it was the sages  
> > who developed mantric science or mantra-vidya. Every fluctuation or  
> > variation of mantra practice has already been examined and their good  
> > points vs. bad points evaluated and passed down, from realizer to  
> > realizer. Now whether or not you think that is important or not is up  
> > to you. Anyone's mileage may vary.
> >
> 
> ...
> 
> Speechless.
>
* * * Well said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Right on! :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jan 26, 2011, at 10:08 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > > "Effort achieves the goal." - Shiva Sutra
> > > >
> > >
> > > Goal? We don't need no stinkin' goal. Buddha Berra.
> > 
> > 
> > The goal refers to jivanmukti, or liberation in this very life.

* * * "Liberation in this very life" is not really a "goal" to be achieved with 
effort as it is conventionally understood; liberation is if anything more of an 
a priori understanding to be surrendered into. The only effort involved, is in 
the *removal* or *cessation* of effort -- is in the relinquishment of one's 
ingrained and separatist resistance to the utter perfection of what IS, now, 
always has been, and ever shall be.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[yifuxero]

yes, odd...I'm still trying to get a straight ans from Vaj as to when, where 
and who initiated him into TM.  Nothing yet.
http://www.fantasygallery.net/morill/art_0_speaking-to-the-lost-soul.html
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
> > 
> > > Rumor has it that this was anywhere between the 4th and 7th  
> > > advanced technique.  Also an governor who got an advanced technique  
> > > told me that one would /have to be a TM teacher/ to get that  
> > > technique, leading me to guess that part of the puja was her  
> > > instruction.   Now it just so happened that this was the end of  
> > > advanced technique instruction, as the Capitals pretty much closed  
> > > dow afterwards.  Could be people were given the final technique  
> > > with knowledge that this would be the last tour through the US.
> 
> 
> What a joke; the Vaj posing as an expert on TM !
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
> 
> > Rumor has it that this was anywhere between the 4th and 7th  
> > advanced technique.  Also an governor who got an advanced technique  
> > told me that one would /have to be a TM teacher/ to get that  
> > technique, leading me to guess that part of the puja was her  
> > instruction.   Now it just so happened that this was the end of  
> > advanced technique instruction, as the Capitals pretty much closed  
> > dow afterwards.  Could be people were given the final technique  
> > with knowledge that this would be the last tour through the US.


What a joke; the Vaj posing as an expert on TM !

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[Vaj]

On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Tom Pall wrote:

Rumor has it that this was anywhere between the 4th and 7th  
advanced technique.  Also an governor who got an advanced technique  
told me that one would /have to be a TM teacher/ to get that  
technique, leading me to guess that part of the puja was her  
instruction.   Now it just so happened that this was the end of  
advanced technique instruction, as the Capitals pretty much closed  
down afterwards.  Could be people were given the final technique  
with knowledge that this would be the last tour through the US.



In the list you were pointing to, the AoE technique (the seven lokas)  
is the 7th. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[Tom Pall]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Vaj  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
>
> You might want to scroll down to 7th Advanced Technique  here
> http://minet.org/mantras.html  .  As far as being checked, in theory there
> are people to check advanced technique but I've never been offered such.
> Now I've been told that Sahaj Samadhi is a variation of the TM 7th Advanced
> Technique but that's only a rumor I've heard.
>
>
>
> Are you sure you didn't mean the 6th?
>
>
>
>
Rumor has it that this was anywhere between the 4th and 7th advanced
technique.  Also an governor who got an advanced technique told me that one
would /have to be a TM teacher/ to get that technique, leading me to guess
that part of the puja was her instruction.   Now it just so happened that
this was the end of advanced technique instruction, as the Capitals pretty
much closed down afterwards.  Could be people were given the final technique
with knowledge that this would be the last tour through the US.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Close Encounters of the Buddhist Kind

[Vaj]

On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Tom Pall wrote:

You might want to scroll down to 7th Advanced Technique  here   
http://minet.org/mantras.html  .  As far as being checked, in  
theory there are people to check advanced technique but I've never  
been offered such.   Now I've been told that Sahaj Samadhi is a  
variation of the TM 7th Advanced Technique but that's only a rumor  
I've heard.



Are you sure you didn't mean the 6th?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> It is a different kind of meditation Vaj. There is never an attempt to 
> discern the object clearly with TM. 
> 
> The focus in TM, if you can call it that, is on the movement of the widening 
> of the container of consciousness, not on any object within it. The dynamic 
> of consciousness expansion is the focus, if you can call it that, in the 
> front of the mind. 
> 
> Because consciousness is always moving, there is no object to discern. The 
> mechanics are quite different from what you are describing, Vaj. 
> 
> During the practice of TM, The mantra is appreciated over time, at random 
> intervals of attention, shedding its own soft light on whatever state of 
> consciousness we find ourselves in, and on whatever random thoughts may be 
> associated with that. That flow of attention from the mantra to thoughts or 
> no thoughts, and back, is not to be appreciated or judged, but just easily 
> experienced. 
> 
> Less structured. More holistic, outside of logic, unless we want to include 
> discrimination between this and that without judgment, as logic.
> 
> You are just describing a different form of meditation.:-)


You are talking to contemporay Buddhists who haven't got a clue. :-)

[FairfieldLife] NF Alert: The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest

[Bhairitu]

Yesterday the third movie in the series of Swedish author Stieg 
Larsson's "Millennium Trilogy" was released on DVD and Bluray.  When I 
checked Vudu last night they had it (Vudu is a pay per view).   But the 
second of the series I watched on Netflix WI in HD when it was 
released.  Just looking at the "new arrivals" I did not see it.  Nor did 
I find it scrolling through new arrivals this morning.  So I did a 
search and *indeed* it is available WI.  So I put it in my queue and 
intend on watching it tonight.  I guess Netflix was afraid HD watchers 
would strain their bandwidth so apparently hid it.  And I often watch 
after 9:30 or 10 PM to avoid being served an SD stream instead.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[Vaj]

On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:10 PM, blusc0ut wrote:

This is because section 2 of the SS relate to Shaktopaya, which  
requires effort. The SS also speaks of Shambhavopaya, which is a  
means that utilizes alert passivity or choiceless Awareness.


See SS commentary by Jaideva Singh Forword about Section III (xlviii)

He also says that the three upayas are not watertight compartments.  
the three processes - Anavopaya, Shaktopaya (about which the quoted  
verse is, and which requires effort) and Shambhavopaya, lead into  
each other.



Yes, a practice like TM would start out at the level of Individual  
Means (anavopaya), which of the three sections of the SS, it is the  
last. Some of the sutras appear at different levels, which simply  
means certain practices can be practiced at differing levels of  
consciousness. According to Ksemaraja, once one masters the  
anavopaya, it culminates in shaktopaya, then one is able to practice  
at the level of shaktopaya practice(s). Nonetheless, amazingly, all  
three function interdependently to some extent.


Ksemaraja does a great job of explaining the transition of mantra  
from anavopaya to shaktopaya and the mechanics of enlightenment. He  
even describes that turiya, a la TM, as experienced in the beginning  
stages at the transitory "gaps" Marshy spoke so much of. This begins  
the spreading of the oil into the cloth.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM vs concentration

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:

> 
> And I transcended once whilst standing on my my hands riding a 
> bicycle, eating candy floss, singing Monty Python's "always look on 
> the bright side of life". And then I hit a bump.


I enter bliss when seeing this clip, as if I hear the words of Lord Maitreya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP

[Bhairitu]

On 01/26/2011 02:05 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Peter  wrote:
 "No effort on this path is every wasted" -- Krishna,
 *Bhagavad Gita*
>> "No effort is wasted because no effort is used!" -MMY commentary.
> There are times when reading FFL is like reading a
> forum on which most people's education stopped at
> the sixth grade. This is one of those times.
>

Either that or fans of beating dead horses.  And "times?"  Most of it 
nowadays is that.

[FairfieldLife] Practicing Sahaj Samadhi

[Yifu Xero]

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Subject: Practicing Sahaj Samadhi


thx everyone for the excellent points!  I would dispute the existence of 
"choiceless awareness", or doership without regard to consequences.
Take an Enlightened person who both before and after E. works as a commodities 
trader.  Is somebody saying that after E. there's no "choice" as to trades, and 
their outcome?  If not, he'd be out on the street without a job. He'd better 
perform! (and be very concerned about the outcome of choices)
...
Also, a case can be made as to the same component of non-doership for those in 
complete ignorance of the Self.  Various components of the mind (the separate 
Ego) in such a state are misidentified. However, the misidentification is only 
"apparent", so that such persons are only apparently deluded. OK, now we say 
that E. people are not deluded, while the ignorant folk are apparently deluded. 
However, whether not-deluded or apparently deludedced; these references apply 
to 
something relative.
...
Some relative component of an Enlightened persons says "I know the Self"; 
whereas the other says "I don't know the Self, what is IT?".
...
Both are simply assertions in the conditional realm of existence, the first 
having an experiential component of "Self". The bottom line is that the 
"ignorant" person's assertion is equally "the Self" as conditioned existence.
...
If the color of a blue wall is really blue even though a person says it's red; 
that doesn't change the blueness.  Ignorant assertions abound, apparently - 
even 
among the Enlightened! (thinking of certain Gurus). 

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