[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Great response, thanks for an excellent read of thoughtful points! Says curtis, who missed the fact that Maharishi left the title Bal Brahmachary already in the '50s. Yet curtis goes on and on about sex. Deep in his heart he is just a hillbilly-whiner. Can't thank you enough for this opportunity Nabbie! Lets break it down shall we? In Maharishi's system there were two states of life, Brahmachary which he equated with a monks or renunciate lifestyle. The other way was the householder lifestyle. In one you get to use your dick in the context of married life. In the other you don't. Although Maharishi didn't go around calling himself Bal Brahmachari Maharishi Mahesh Fredrico, Jesus Fernando Yogi, he did refer to himself as being a monk, or a renunciate many many times, sometimes in my presence personally. It went along with his I have no pockets routine when pressed about finances. I also heard him asked the question directly, and he answered (surprising himself it appeared) that he would have to call himself a householder, because he lived in the world and controlled a large organization (or words to that effect). Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: *** Urgent - please read news regarding our supplements ***
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Hi Rick, There is some discussions now beginning about this and Alex is already getting it wrong. This is from the Ragu Family Clinic in Hyperadad run by Dr. Raju younger brother Krishna, not from the movement's clinic in Delhi. My apologies. I was not aware that there were two different clinics run by different members of the same family. Aside from that, my information was correct. Yep, word on the street is that five people from Fairfield are with heavy metal poisoning from getting ayurvedic panchakarma treatments in India. Including some TM-Raja. Problems with Indian 'quality controls'.These people were finding neurological dis-orders afterwards. The victims are getting chelated as treatment hoping to get the heavy metals out of their systems. Hasn't it been Maharishi Ayurveda policy in the USA for some time to advise people NOT to go to India for treatment for various reasons? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
With all of the talk yesterday about Indian remedies for which the definition of that term seems to be poison, I thought it was about time to repost this classic from Cracked.com. I bailed from the TMO before it wanted me to believe in witch doctor magic and witch doctor architecture, but I like to think that if I'd still been part of the organization some little inner voice inside me would have said WTF, and failed to pile on to the latest fad and income-generating scheme. Those who didn't have only themselves to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@... wrote: I love Cracked.com. Sometimes they just nail a serious issue, while being funny. This one should appeal to many here and make them laugh, while totally infuriating others. The folks at Cracked see the silliness of New Agers and India-worshippers similar to the way I do. As a teaser, these are the 5 topics they deal with to make a case for Americans unintelligently suspending their critical faculties and pragmatic disbelief when they encounter something from a foreign culture. #5. Believing In Superstitions Just Because They Are Foreign #4. Blindly Trusting Foreign Medicines #3. Treating Foreigners as Having Unearthly Wisdom #2. Acting Like Foreign Text Has Mystical Power and Beauty #1. Making Yourself Look Wise and Exotic Via Cultural Name-Dropping We've discussed many of these idiocies here on FFL, but rarely as pointedly as this online humor mag does. Some- times you don't need a guru to tell you what's what; all you need is a comedian. http://www.cracked.com/article_18821_5-examples-americans-thinking-foreign-people-are-magic.html This is in my honest opinion pretty much the only reason Maharishi ever became popular. And still is, with some who aren't aware of why they believe the things they do.
[FairfieldLife] Buddy didn't know what he was doing??
Seem to recall Buddy Rich once said (in The Lucy Show?), referring to his playing, something like: I don't know what I'm doing. If I knew what I'm doing I wouldn't (be able to?) do what I'm doing! Is that perchance a proof that it was actually the three guNa-s playing, not Buddy's Self, which was just the draSTaa (seer, witness)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news reports. The article I put up for face value in case people wanted to dig further. Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint) but the no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions are curious. Also there has been some funny stuff going on about Fukushima and radiation reports in the US. I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want the sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in nukes. But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-) On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that Bhairitu posted. Just googled Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant. The Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. Smells fishy. WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters. With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619 Arnie Gundersen Interview: Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 Getting Worse 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa: http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002p=2605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It is the most fire prone in US history. http://thehorseshoeblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nebraska-has-most-fire-prone-nuclear.html But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. http://www.counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Here's a YouTube video that has pictures of the rising waters around the Fort Calhoun plant and other plants plus local area TV reports. Apparently the Obama administration has ordered a news blackout? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDbB3HqNcA Article about the news blackout first report by Pakistan's The Nation: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june172011/nebraska-nuclear.php (Note the editor disputes that the report of a news blackout is a hoax but does think the Pakistani article may contain inaccuracies). Here's the relevant comment calling it a hoax: - Laughing June 17, 2011 3:55 pm (Pacific time) This article is by well-known disinfo artist Sorcha Faal, whose name is, as usual, omitted from the unreliable EUTimes web site, and is also not from Moscow: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1 Note that the web site this news story comes from includes this disclaimer: Some events depicted in certain articles on this website are fictitious and any similarity to any person living or dead is merely coincidental. Some other articles may be based on actual events but which in certain cases incidents, characters and timelines have been changed for dramatic purposes. Certain characters may be composites, or entirely fictitious. http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index677.htm A clever mix of fact, fiction, and hysteria (dramatic purposes) does not make the fiction part factual. You have been duped. - Google the name Sorcha Faal. She is notorious for plastering hoaxes all over the Internet. She appears to be the alter ego of a computer programmer named David Booth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddy didn't know what he was doing??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Seem to recall Buddy Rich once said (in The Lucy Show?), referring to his playing, something like: I don't know what I'm doing. If I knew what I'm doing I wouldn't (be able to?) do what I'm doing! Is that perchance a proof that it was actually the three guNa-s playing, not Buddy's Self, which was just the draSTaa (seer, witness)? Did you know what you were doing when you made this video? http://youtu.be/irLsjBDPe5c
Re: [FairfieldLife] When It Started to Get Crazy
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:52 AM, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Who of us had not written that as our assessment of the Movement at this or that time, for this or that project. And there are many ways of looking at the same situation. What was crazy for one person was not crazy for another. Part of this may be due to different perspectives on what was happening. It appears many comments about crazy days, crazy projects, strange behavior is from a linear, project management sort of perspective -- thinking if we are trying to accomplish X -- this is NOT the way to do it. Or, alternatively, why the hell are we doing project X. There are other perspectives. Some may be closer to what MMY was actually doing. I'll state a perspective, not THE perspective, simply -- without the nuances. The World Plan, Heaven on Earth, MIU, big projects, unconventional behavior, etc were not about such initiatives. They were simply tools for MMY to help us break our boundaries. Do you think conventional projects, plans and implementation are going to break boundaries? No, they generally confirm the status quo. On the other hand, crazy, outlandish, odd, squirmish projects were just that because we had inner attachments, ego issues, projections, assumptions about how things should be and what is normal, etc. Huge and or crazy projects, often both were a set of tools that MMY used to break these internal boundaries. The outer fruits of the actions were up to nature -- and not the focus. OH MY GOD! So that's what it was! I've been searching all these years for just this answer. . My life is now complete. Thank you, Tart.
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us, force us to leave our homes. It's a sorry dang day. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news reports. The article I put up for face value in case people wanted to dig further. Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint) but the no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions are curious. Also there has been some funny stuff going on about Fukushima and radiation reports in the US. I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want the sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in nukes. But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-) On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that Bhairitu posted. Just googled Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant. The Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. Smells fishy. WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters. With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619 Arnie Gundersen Interview: Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 Getting Worse 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa: http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002p=2605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It is the most fire prone in US history. http://thehorseshoeblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nebraska-has-most-fire-prone-nuclear.html But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. http://www.counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Here's a YouTube video that has pictures of the rising waters around the Fort Calhoun plant and other plants plus local area TV reports. Apparently the Obama administration has ordered a news blackout? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDbB3HqNcA Article about the news blackout first report by Pakistan's The Nation: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june172011/nebraska-nuclear.php (Note the editor disputes that the report of a news blackout is a hoax but does think the Pakistani article may contain inaccuracies). Here's the relevant comment calling it a hoax: - Laughing June 17, 2011 3:55 pm (Pacific time) This article is by well-known disinfo artist Sorcha Faal, whose name is, as usual, omitted from the unreliable EUTimes web site, and is also not from Moscow: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1 Note that the web site this news story comes from includes this disclaimer: Some events depicted in certain articles on this website are fictitious and any similarity to any person living or dead is merely coincidental. Some other articles may be based on actual events but which in certain cases incidents, characters and timelines have been changed for dramatic purposes. Certain characters may be composites, or entirely fictitious. http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index677.htm A clever mix of fact, fiction, and hysteria (dramatic purposes) does not make the fiction part factual. You have been duped. - Google the name Sorcha Faal. She is notorious for plastering hoaxes all over the Internet. She appears to be the alter ego of a computer programmer named David Booth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their nuke reactors in on our borders with so little danger to themselves. That's got to be set right. Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us, force us to leave our homes. It's a sorry dang day. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news reports. The article I put up for face value in case people wanted to dig further. Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint) but the no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions are curious. Also there has been some funny stuff going on about Fukushima and radiation reports in the US. I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want the sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in nukes. But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-) On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that Bhairitu posted. Just googled Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant. The Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. Smells fishy. WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters. With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619 Arnie Gundersen Interview: Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 Getting Worse 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa: http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002p=2605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It is the most fire prone in US history. http://thehorseshoeblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nebraska-has-most-fire-prone-nuclear.html But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. http://www.counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Here's a YouTube video that has pictures of the rising waters around the Fort Calhoun plant and other plants plus local area TV reports. Apparently the Obama administration has ordered a news blackout? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDbB3HqNcA Article about the news blackout first report by Pakistan's The Nation: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june172011/nebraska-nuclear.php (Note the editor disputes that the report of a news blackout is a hoax but does think the Pakistani article may contain inaccuracies). Here's the relevant comment calling it a hoax: - Laughing June 17, 2011 3:55 pm (Pacific time) This article is by well-known disinfo artist Sorcha Faal, whose name is, as usual, omitted from the unreliable EUTimes web site, and is also not from Moscow: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1 Note that the web site this news story comes from includes this disclaimer: Some events depicted in certain articles on this website are fictitious and any similarity to any person living or dead is merely coincidental. Some other articles may be based on actual events but which in certain cases incidents, characters and timelines have been changed for dramatic purposes. Certain characters may be composites, or entirely fictitious. http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index677.htm A clever mix of fact, fiction, and hysteria (dramatic purposes) does not make the fiction part factual. You have been duped. -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Om, and they are now going to work harder at catching people? Though the dome meditating numbers are not tenuous enough already without some taliban doing this. A very refined atmosphere they have going there indeed. There are so many of their numbers who could be 'caught' with this under what has been the defacto Don't ask, don't tell policy selectively 'turning the head' administering of the guidelines. Their driving a fear-based system like they do puts a lot of sadness in the numbers in the domes meditating there together in collective. There is hope and there is goodwill. They certainly have a knack for squandering their goodwill. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of the 52 y/o, contaminated herbs, bloods tests required?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:19 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: I know the vague details, but not yet precisely what's going on. An oldish fellow dies of a heart-attack and thomas pall rush in to make a scandal. What is wrong with you ? When did you have a checking last ? Nabby? Have you had your blood levels of heavy metals checked yet? Are you delirious from Hg poisoning? I posted something based on little information. I said as much. I am asking for more information, from my sources the Dome and here on FFL. Sorry, never thought of tying the herbal contamination with a guy dropping dead of a heart attack at age 52. What needs to be checked is your comprehension of the American language. That's right, I don't write american very well. But I do know how to spell c h e c k i n g. Do have one !
[FairfieldLife] Sailing in silence
According to reports they are now approaching some of the most interesting parts of the journey: http://hurtigruten.no/live
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddy didn't know what he was doing??
Any trikker, dancer, or dedicated adherent of any physical activity that is practiced for thousands of hours can tell you that Buddy's talking about the wisdom of muscle memory. The intellect can step aside and let one's spontaneous emotional intent manifest via largely automated patterns of bodily movement. Just watch a single episode of So You Think You Can Dance to see how only a very prepared and practiced artist can begin to symbolize emotion by letting go of the notion I am doing and abiding in the emergent processing with but a lashavedyic handling of the reins by the (mostly only) witnessing intellect. Same deal with most everything human. No one drives a car with much intellectual involvement -- and notice how the automobile is an extension of the emotional personality and road-rage folks can get caught up being cyborgs with two tons of Iron Man surrounding them. Who thinks when they walk or run? Only the newbies. And are not your thousands of hours of thinking similarly empowering you to merely float along with a creative intent with the intellect when it is as if using all its familiar constructs and concepts as its practiced artistic movement? Are not all of us here conceptual dancers combining moves without any strong attentioning? If so -- warning: conceptual dancers who no longer learn new tricks to add to their repertoire rapidly lose freshness, and although one can still put out a creative product, it comes off a merely another stale routine -- like watching Fred Astaire's dances over and over again -- beauty is there -- but not a beauty that is spontaneously arising from the now. This is the problem with TM -- running on empty and still calling it divine artistry, but the same old concepts need a constant repackaging to honor the liveliness of Being. Maharishi came up with new projects like a dancer trying out new moves -- what he should have come up with instead was new metaphors to keep apace with modernity's evolution. To be a philosopher, one has to integrate (by practicing the mental handling of suchlike) all points of view in order to have the large bag of conceptual tricks from which to pull off an adroit abracadabra moment. Curtis does this all the time here -- he bangs out new stuff, sees more subtly into issues, synthesizes POVs without a prejudicial agenda, and always surprises me. This can only be because he churns and practices the use of concepts until they're as automatically used as Buddy's sticks. Edg Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Seem to recall Buddy Rich once said (in The Lucy Show?), referring to his playing, something like: I don't know what I'm doing. If I knew what I'm doing I wouldn't (be able to?) do what I'm doing! Is that perchance a proof that it was actually the three guNa-s playing, not Buddy's Self, which was just the draSTaa (seer, witness)? Did you know what you were doing when you made this video? http://youtu.be/irLsjBDPe5c
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: I also heard him asked the question directly, and he answered (surprising himself it appeared) that he would have to call himself a householder, because he lived in the world and controlled a large organization (or words to that effect). So I guess him banging groupies was evidence of his consistency then? This is one highly specific context dependent statement among dozens of times I personally heard him refer to his monkiness. Notice that the list of things he mentions that make him a householder does not include banging chicks. Householders means you marry someone and raise a family. It doesn't mean you get to be a rock star on the tour bus with 20 somethings when you are in your fifties, ditching one when you get tired of hitting that and moving on by leaving the last girl behind when you travel. And Maharishi told his householder movement couples that they should be celibate too, except when conceiving kids. Of child-rearing he said These couples with kids always look sooo tired. A real family values kind of guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Great response, thanks for an excellent read of thoughtful points! Says curtis, who missed the fact that Maharishi left the title Bal Brahmachary already in the '50s. Yet curtis goes on and on about sex. Deep in his heart he is just a hillbilly-whiner. Can't thank you enough for this opportunity Nabbie! Lets break it down shall we? In Maharishi's system there were two states of life, Brahmachary which he equated with a monks or renunciate lifestyle. The other way was the householder lifestyle. In one you get to use your dick in the context of married life. In the other you don't. Although Maharishi didn't go around calling himself Bal Brahmachari Maharishi Mahesh Fredrico, Jesus Fernando Yogi, he did refer to himself as being a monk, or a renunciate many many times, sometimes in my presence personally. It went along with his I have no pockets routine when pressed about finances. I also heard him asked the question directly, and he answered (surprising himself it appeared) that he would have to call himself a householder, because he lived in the world and controlled a large organization (or words to that effect). Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip #5. Believing In Superstitions Just Because They Are Foreign #4. Blindly Trusting Foreign Medicines #3. Treating Foreigners as Having Unearthly Wisdom #2. Acting Like Foreign Text Has Mystical Power and Beauty #1. Making Yourself Look Wise and Exotic Via Cultural Name-Dropping You forgot these: #6. Making Unflattering Comparisons Between Americans and Europeans, Especially Women #7. Posturing About How Clever You Were to Flee the U.S. and Move to Europe #8. Bragging About How Little You Pay for Health Care in Europe The interesting thing about the cracked.com piece is how xenophobic it is. Apparently Americans are ridiculous because they dig foreign stuff, given how crappy foreign stuff is; but the huge number of foreigners who think everything American is the cat's pajamas are, you know, quite right. At least, according to cracked.com.
[FairfieldLife] A movie of our times
Instead of movie for our times the movie The Company Men is of our times. You probably haven't heard of it but it recently became available for rent and I rented it from Redbox last night because Netflix has it on long wait. Apparently locals have no interest in a drama about people getting laid off from their work and struggling to find another job. This one stars Ben Affleck, Tommy Lee Jones, Chris Cooper and Keven Costner plus a bunch of other well known actors. If anything the only flaw with the movie is the latter is that well known actors can often take you out of the movie. Affleck plays a sales executive who loses his job as a sales executive and finds it difficult to find another one while trying to maintain his family's standard of living. This, of course, is a very common story these days and this film will wind up being a classic that exemplifies the times. Director/writer John Wells takes no prisoners in showing how bad things can be when greed destroys the economy (as exemplified by the CEO of Affleck's company played by Craig T Nelson). http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The_Company_Men/70124965 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1172991/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: If you do come up with an excuse to mitigate philandering please let me know. I've been looking for one to use for years! Best one I ever heard came from an old, not-very- attractive woman who told me she had a soft spot in her heart for philanderers out of hope that one day one of them might get around to her. None ever did, as it turned out, but she died still hopeful. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Householders means you marry someone and raise a family. It doesn't mean you get to be a rock star on the tour bus with 20 somethings when you are in your fifties, ditching one when you get tired of hitting that and moving on by leaving the last girl behind when you travel. Well, actually none of the four ashramas means this, so it's kind of a non sequitur. I don't think you mean ashramas in this context. There are two contexts for the term brahmachari. One is the stage of life, the student who is surrendered to a guru and lives in his ashram under his instruction. In mMaharishi's context it means celibate lifestyle at any age. Maharishi was not maintaining a student lifestyle his whole life. Same with the term householder. It is a stage of life in the ashramas sequence, but as Maharishi used it, it was a lifestyle choice meaning married at any age. Which doesn't mean what you described either, so the two contexts distinction is irrelevant as well. It was not a non sequitur in the context of our discussion about whether there was any justification for his sexual activity based on what he said he was. Oh, you think that's what Lawson was doing? As you point out there is no context where this is allowed in Hinduism. Right. That part has nothing to do with what he said he was. And none of the four ashramas, for that matter, fit MMY's life circumstances even if you don't consider the women. He was faking the last one while maintaining the bennies of householder business life. Which he was also faking, given that he wasn't married with a family. As I went on to suggest: One could make the case that when a person embedded in the ashrama tradition tries to mix two of the ashramas, they're very likely to shortchange both of them. Maybe that's why so many swami-types who are out in the world running movements end up sleeping with their followers. They have to interact constantly with women, unlike a renunciate, which means they're more likely to get horny; but they don't have a wife to sleep with if they do get horny, unlike a grihastha. Not an easy row to hoe. My experience of Sunyasins in India is that they mingle in society to beg for their food. They come to homes and it is the woman who hands out the food, I saw them do it. Well, there are two kinds, those who mingle and beg and those who live with other sanyasins in a monastery. But the women who give food to the first kind are, you know, already married with their own households, and I imagine the interaction would be pretty brief. Quite a difference from interacting at length and over time with young single devotees about spiritual and business matters who are, in effect, members of the sanyasin's household. snip CAVEAT FOR THE BRAINLESS: No, I'm not trying to excuse or mitigate MMY's philandering. It was wrong no matter how difficult refraining might have been. If you do come up with an excuse to mitigate philandering please let me know. I've been looking for one to use for years! You're on your own with that one. I'm having trouble finding a way to mitigate your tendency to start things and then not finish them, as with our most recent exchange. Considering how badly you fared, it's not surprising. But as I said, it leaves our relationship, such as it is, wy back at square one as far as my opinion of you is concerned. Your choice, of course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: snip #5. Believing In Superstitions Just Because They Are Foreign #4. Blindly Trusting Foreign Medicines #3. Treating Foreigners as Having Unearthly Wisdom #2. Acting Like Foreign Text Has Mystical Power and Beauty #1. Making Yourself Look Wise and Exotic Via Cultural Name-Dropping We've discussed many of these idiocies here on FFL, but rarely as pointedly as this online humor mag does. Some- times you don't need a guru to tell you what's what; all you need is a comedian. http://www.cracked.com/article_18821_5-examples-americans-thinking-foreign-people-are-magic.html This is in my honest opinion pretty much the only reason Maharishi ever became popular. And still is, with some who aren't aware of why they believe the things they do. What about the Beatles? I think that was the reason MMY and TM became popular. Well, there you go. The Beatles were Brits! So we trusted *their* unearthly wisdom when they discovered MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/19/2011 12:32 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This is in my honest opinion pretty much the only reason Maharishi ever became popular. And still is, with some who aren't aware of why they believe the things they do. What about the Beatles? I think that was the reason MMY and TM became popular. Yes, in a PR sense, that is absolutely true. If he hadn't run into the Beatles, almost no one would have ever heard of him. But the fact that he did, and co-opted their fame to increase his own *also* springboarded off of the 60s American hippie-love of anything Indian and the lack of critical thought they brought to anything Indian. Charlie Lutes once said that the movement wouldn't have been as big without them but it might have been more sophisticated. Charlie was a fool. If it hadn't been for the Beatles, almost no one on this forum would ever have heard of Maharishi but him and a few other Theosophist types. People were interested in yoga back in the 1960s and the Beatles threw the spotlight on a teacher who was interested in teaching the world. Think if they'd gone down the Scientology road. :-D Back then, they didn't have any celebrities to shill for them. Maharishi did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I also heard him asked the question directly, and he answered (surprising himself it appeared) that he would have to call himself a householder, because he lived in the world and controlled a large organization (or words to that effect). So I guess him banging groupies was evidence of his consistency then? This is one highly specific context dependent statement among dozens of times I personally heard him refer to his monkiness. Notice that the list of things he mentions that make him a householder does not include banging chicks. Householders means you marry someone and raise a family. It doesn't mean you get to be a rock star on the tour bus with 20 somethings when you are in your fifties, ditching one when you get tired of hitting that and moving on by leaving the last girl behind when you travel. Well, actually none of the four ashramas means this, so it's kind of a non sequitur. And none of the four ashramas, for that matter, fit MMY's life circumstances even if you don't consider the women. One could make the case that when a person embedded in the ashrama tradition tries to mix two of the ashramas, they're very likely to shortchange both of them. Maybe that's why so many swami-types who are out in the world running movements end up sleeping with their followers. They have to interact constantly with women, unlike a renunciate, which means they're more likely to get horny; but they don't have a wife to sleep with if they do get horny, unlike a grihastha. Not an easy row to hoe. CAVEAT FOR THE BRAINLESS: No, I'm not trying to excuse or mitigate MMY's philandering. It was wrong no matter how difficult refraining might have been.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
On 06/19/2011 12:32 AM, turquoiseb wrote: With all of the talk yesterday about Indian remedies for which the definition of that term seems to be poison, I thought it was about time to repost this classic from Cracked.com. I bailed from the TMO before it wanted me to believe in witch doctor magic and witch doctor architecture, but I like to think that if I'd still been part of the organization some little inner voice inside me would have said WTF, and failed to pile on to the latest fad and income-generating scheme. Those who didn't have only themselves to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseBno_reply@... wrote: I love Cracked.com. Sometimes they just nail a serious issue, while being funny. This one should appeal to many here and make them laugh, while totally infuriating others. The folks at Cracked see the silliness of New Agers and India-worshippers similar to the way I do. As a teaser, these are the 5 topics they deal with to make a case for Americans unintelligently suspending their critical faculties and pragmatic disbelief when they encounter something from a foreign culture. #5. Believing In Superstitions Just Because They Are Foreign #4. Blindly Trusting Foreign Medicines #3. Treating Foreigners as Having Unearthly Wisdom #2. Acting Like Foreign Text Has Mystical Power and Beauty #1. Making Yourself Look Wise and Exotic Via Cultural Name-Dropping We've discussed many of these idiocies here on FFL, but rarely as pointedly as this online humor mag does. Some- times you don't need a guru to tell you what's what; all you need is a comedian. http://www.cracked.com/article_18821_5-examples-americans-thinking-foreign-people-are-magic.html This is in my honest opinion pretty much the only reason Maharishi ever became popular. And still is, with some who aren't aware of why they believe the things they do. What about the Beatles? I think that was the reason MMY and TM became popular. Charlie Lutes once said that the movement wouldn't have been as big without them but it might have been more sophisticated. People were interested in yoga back in the 1960s and the Beatles threw the spotlight on a teacher who was interested in teaching the world. Think if they'd gone down the Scientology road. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I also heard him asked the question directly, and he answered (surprising himself it appeared) that he would have to call himself a householder, because he lived in the world and controlled a large organization (or words to that effect). So I guess him banging groupies was evidence of his consistency then? This is one highly specific context dependent statement among dozens of times I personally heard him refer to his monkiness. Notice that the list of things he mentions that make him a householder does not include banging chicks. Householders means you marry someone and raise a family. It doesn't mean you get to be a rock star on the tour bus with 20 somethings when you are in your fifties, ditching one when you get tired of hitting that and moving on by leaving the last girl behind when you travel. Well, actually none of the four ashramas means this, so it's kind of a non sequitur. I don't think you mean ashramas in this context. There are two contexts for the term brahmachari. One is the stage of life, the student who is surrendered to a guru and lives in his ashram under his instruction. In mMaharishi's context it means celibate lifestyle at any age. Maharishi was not maintaining a student lifestyle his whole life. Same with the term householder. It is a stage of life in the ashramas sequence, but as Maharishi used it, it was a lifestyle choice meaning married at any age. It was not a non sequitur in the context of our discussion about whether there was any justification for his sexual activity based on what he said he was. As you point out there is no context where this is allowed in Hinduism. And none of the four ashramas, for that matter, fit MMY's life circumstances even if you don't consider the women. He was faking the last one while maintaining the bennies of householder business life. One could make the case that when a person embedded in the ashrama tradition tries to mix two of the ashramas, they're very likely to shortchange both of them. Maybe that's why so many swami-types who are out in the world running movements end up sleeping with their followers. They have to interact constantly with women, unlike a renunciate, which means they're more likely to get horny; but they don't have a wife to sleep with if they do get horny, unlike a grihastha. Not an easy row to hoe. My experience of Sunyasins in India is that they mingle in society to beg for their food. They come to homes and it is the woman who hands out the food, I saw them do it. I guess there are some ashrams were people stay cloistered but it was my impression that this is the minority among the millions of wandering sadhus. Of course Shankara set us straight on how they should view women as bags of urine and feces, but it doesn't surprise me that some end up viewing woman as two funbags with a honey pot. It would be very hard for them to get to some level of equality and respect as is the ideal for the West. It was very common among the movement celibate wanna bees to have an unflattering view of women caused by their own projected attraction i suspect. CAVEAT FOR THE BRAINLESS: No, I'm not trying to excuse or mitigate MMY's philandering. It was wrong no matter how difficult refraining might have been. If you do come up with an excuse to mitigate philandering please let me know. I've been looking for one to use for years!
[FairfieldLife] FFL the 3rd Tues evening Devotional Singing
Singing: Sing, meditate, dance or sit in silence. All musicians, drummers, singers, and listeners are welcome. This call and response chanting unifies the mind, heart and spirit in surrender and service. The group is not aligned with any one religion, teacher or movement. Every third Tuesday of each month at 7:30 p.m. At Divine Mother Church, behind 51 North Court (use alley to the left of Gupta's Restaurant, go to end of alley and turn left up the steps) Admission is free.
[FairfieldLife] Re: When It Started to Get Crazy
Who of us had not written that as our assessment of the Movement at this or that time, for this or that project. Sal Sunshine: I give up~~who. Why do I almost constantly get a vague feeling of lecturing the ignorant masses~~a la Jim, just with slightly less of a condescending tone~~from your posts, tart? Maybe it's me. Maybe it's you that is constantly lecturing us like we were the ignorant masses?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Defusing the precarious escalation of conflict in the world? The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Om, and they are now going to work harder at catching people? Though the dome meditating numbers are not tenuous enough already without some taliban doing this. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html A very refined atmosphere they have going there indeed. There are so many of their numbers who could be 'caught' with this under what has been the defacto Don't ask, don't tell policy selectively 'turning the head' administering of the guidelines. Their driving a fear-based system like they do puts a lot of sadness in the numbers in the domes meditating there together in collective. There is hope and there is goodwill. They certainly have a knack for squandering their goodwill. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Visit with Amma
Thank you to you and everyone who responded to this post. I was nervous about posting, however the feedback has helped me immensely in putting this experience in perspective and I feel much more peaceful around it. All my experiences end up pointing me back inside myself - there will be no single savior, so to speak - I remain responsible for claiming my life, loving myself, and staying accountable. Given where my children are in their development, I would hesitate to bring them again as becoming distracted by the outer trappings and messages, without having a foundation of knowledge or experience or discrimination to allow incorporation into the larger picture, creates confusion. Although, they were not as confused as I, it turns out. My older teenage daughter also received a direct energy hit from Amma and sensed that Amma was a powerful being - it scared her (because she also didn't feel the love) and she left the retreat early. My younger teenage daughter embraced it all at face value, liked the candy and doll and ritual and music and enjoyed the entire weekend (with her friend) - however, she came home ready to pray to Amma as God and all-knowing, which I had a problem with. She has yet to develop her critical thinking skills and based on her learning issues, may never. After all, I am her mother and I don't want to have to argue with a divine mother :) Tee Hee. All is well, and thank you again. --- On Sat, 6/18/11, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Visit with Amma To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 18, 2011, 10:20 PM Thanks for your comments Kevin !! You have put it aptly - you experienced the love in you. A Satguru just acts as the perfect mirror reflecting the divine, the love in us. In India Guru is equated with God, as in symbolic of God. Many who meet Amma fall in love with her, her love, compassion, unconditional acceptance and then in their exuberance would love to worship her. Not that she asks for it, they would love to copy her, but slowly with maturity it should dawn upon us that this love is not outside of us, that it is intrinsic to us, that existence doesn't create copycats. With awareness comes the knowledge that we are perfect as we are, that we are authentic, unique expressions of the divine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 kc21d@... wrote: Ravi very well put.My experience with Amma has been much more limited but like you while I have not felt ANY need to think of her as GOD I have been in awe of the love I have experienced in her presence and when I and my wife and daughter received her hug. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Steve - regardless of how my messages come across, I am not reacting. I really don't care for praise or criticism, for me the content doesn't matter, the consciousness that the other and I bring to it. Though my messages definitely reflect my samskaras and vasanas (mental tendencies and inclination), i.e. they are harsh, they have no bearing on my consciousness. I'm not a diplomat nor I am a politician, I'm not here to please anyone or make fans. In fact I'm in no hurry to respond to anything. Similar to Rick I thought Denise's message was sincere and honest and since Rick did a really good job responding to her I didn't really feel like adding anything much even though I spent quite a bit of time of contemplating how I could answer her best. Since you have put me on the spot :-), I will add in my 2 cents. Denise, I'm not sure what your exposure to Eastern spirituality is but I will comment on the outer paraphernalia that you witnessed around Amma. Its very symbolic, the temples in India have a lot of activity and buzz around them, the temple is decorated with pornographic images and demons representing the various desires and negative tendencies; but once you get inside the temple it is just dark and silent - which is in perfect contrast to the outer chaos. Similar is the situation around Amma, there's lot of buzz, activity, drama around Amma and then there is the silence, the pure awareness that is the Satguru like Amma - providing a perfect contrast between the outer and inner. So I have over the years seen lots of craziness around her - power, control, ego, jealousy - it definitely mirrors the outer world - however there is that amazing contrast of inner silence that grows around you. Then you realize slowly that it was never about the outer, that outer will always be outer but the inner is the one that changes, that you are rooted in your inner silence while being surrounded by dazzling dizzying outer. I had similar feelings when I met Amma in '95 in Rhode Island, the situation around was just too crazy for me, a bunch of weird white people dressed in white
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
While I enjoy the humor, this seems off base to me. Its not that something is foreign. Else why not the rush for Ugandan or Turkestanian wisdom? To me a certain humbleness regarding modern western knowledge and epistimological methods is in order. While these are powerful, they have not uncovered all knowledge and effective methods. I hold open the possibility that some older or ancient cultures stumbled upon some stuff that western science has missed. This includes use of plants, realms of consciousness, cultural / social / ethical systems and practice, values, ontologies, art, and living happy lives. Older an ancient cultures provide a vast ripe field of hypotheses for testing. Taking the stuff untested is bunk. Testing it by modern western means is prudent and productive IMO. Look at all of the useful pharmacuticals that have been found and tested due to their recorded use and effectiveness in prior cultures. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@... wrote: I love Cracked.com. Sometimes they just nail a serious issue, while being funny. This one should appeal to many here and make them laugh, while totally infuriating others. The folks at Cracked see the silliness of New Agers and India-worshippers similar to the way I do. As a teaser, these are the 5 topics they deal with to make a case for Americans unintelligently suspending their critical faculties and pragmatic disbelief when they encounter something from a foreign culture. #5. Believing In Superstitions Just Because They Are Foreign #4. Blindly Trusting Foreign Medicines #3. Treating Foreigners as Having Unearthly Wisdom #2. Acting Like Foreign Text Has Mystical Power and Beauty #1. Making Yourself Look Wise and Exotic Via Cultural Name-Dropping We've discussed many of these idiocies here on FFL, but rarely as pointedly as this online humor mag does. Some- times you don't need a guru to tell you what's what; all you need is a comedian. http://www.cracked.com/article_18821_5-examples-americans-thinking-foreign-people-are-magic.html This is in my honest opinion pretty much the only reason Maharishi ever became popular. And still is, with some who aren't aware of why they believe the things they do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
More recently they've taken to mining Facebook pages of people on the Course, looking at the Most Admired lists and then taking badges away by following up on that. Om, and they are now going to work harder at catching people? Though the dome meditating numbers are not tenuous enough already without some TM-taliban doing this. Defusing the precarious escalation of conflict in the world? The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html A very refined atmosphere they have going there indeed. There are so many of their numbers who could be 'caught' with this under what has been the defacto Don't ask, don't tell policy selectively 'turning the head' administering of the guidelines. Their driving a fear-based system like they do puts a lot of sadness in the numbers in the domes meditating there together in collective. There is hope and there is goodwill. They certainly have a knack for squandering their goodwill. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
Obviously, you haven't been staying indoors and taking holy baths during eclipses during your current life time!BTW try adding a little Fiber1 to your diet. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, June 19, 2011 12:32:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic With all of the talk yesterday about Indian remedies for which the definition of that term seems to be poison, I thought it was about time to repost this classic from Cracked.com. I bailed from the TMO before it wanted me to believe in witch doctor magic and witch doctor architecture, but I like to think that if I'd still been part of the organization some little inner voice inside me would have said WTF, and failed to pile on to the latest fad and income-generating scheme. Those who didn't have only themselves to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@... wrote: I love Cracked.com. Sometimes they just nail a serious issue, while being funny. This one should appeal to many here and make them laugh, while totally infuriating others. The folks at Cracked see the silliness of New Agers and India-worshippers similar to the way I do. As a teaser, these are the 5 topics they deal with to make a case for Americans unintelligently suspending their critical faculties and pragmatic disbelief when they encounter something from a foreign culture. #5. Believing In Superstitions Just Because They Are Foreign #4. Blindly Trusting Foreign Medicines #3. Treating Foreigners as Having Unearthly Wisdom #2. Acting Like Foreign Text Has Mystical Power and Beauty #1. Making Yourself Look Wise and Exotic Via Cultural Name-Dropping We've discussed many of these idiocies here on FFL, but rarely as pointedly as this online humor mag does. Some- times you don't need a guru to tell you what's what; all you need is a comedian. http://www.cracked.com/article_18821_5-examples-americans-thinking-foreign-people-are-magic.html l This is in my honest opinion pretty much the only reason Maharishi ever became popular. And still is, with some who aren't aware of why they believe the things they do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: More recently they've taken to mining Facebook pages of people on the Course, looking at the Most Admired lists and then taking badges away by following up on that. To be perfectly honest, Buck, I have come to take the things you say with more than a grain of salt. It seems to me that you sometimes go out of your way to find things to manufacture outrage over or or to be paranoid about. So you will have to forgive me if I inquire deeper into this claim. Is this something that you or people you have talked to *claim*, or is it something they could attest to, like in a court of law? The former we can write off to ex-cultists' paranoia about what their former cult might do to them. The latter would be a cult gone mad. Om, and they are now going to work harder at catching people? Though the dome meditating numbers are not tenuous enough already without some TM-taliban doing this. Defusing the precarious escalation of conflict in the world? The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html A very refined atmosphere they have going there indeed. There are so many of their numbers who could be 'caught' with this under what has been the defacto Don't ask, don't tell policy selectively 'turning the head' administering of the guidelines. Their driving a fear-based system like they do puts a lot of sadness in the numbers in the domes meditating there together in collective. There is hope and there is goodwill. They certainly have a knack for squandering their goodwill. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/19/2011 12:32 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This is in my honest opinion pretty much the only reason Maharishi ever became popular. And still is, with some who aren't aware of why they believe the things they do. What about the Beatles? I think that was the reason MMY and TM became popular. Yes, in a PR sense, that is absolutely true. If he hadn't run into the Beatles, almost no one would have ever heard of him. That's not right. He was already something of a phenomenon at the time he met the Beatles, with quite a bit of media coverage, including articles in Time and Newsweek and Look (not the cover stories but regular articles). I knew who he was well before the Beatles period. snip Charlie Lutes once said that the movement wouldn't have been as big without them but it might have been more sophisticated. Charlie was a fool. If it hadn't been for the Beatles, almost no one on this forum would ever have heard of Maharishi but him and a few other Theosophist types. No, he'd have been more like Yogananda or Muktananda in terms of public recognition. He wouldn't have been a household name, but anyone into Eastern spirituality would likely have known of him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: More recently they've taken to mining Facebook pages of people on the Course, looking at the Most Admired lists and then taking badges away by following up on that. To be perfectly honest, Buck, I have come to take the things you say with more than a grain of salt. It seems to me that you sometimes go out of your way to find things to manufacture outrage over or or to be paranoid about. So you will have to forgive me if I inquire deeper into this claim. Is this something that you or people you have talked to *claim*, or is it something they could attest to, like in a court of law? The former we can write off to ex-cultists' paranoia about what their former cult might do to them. The latter would be a cult gone mad. (Says Barry hopefully...)
[FairfieldLife] In 10 minutes, hurtigruten is entering Trollfjord
http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In 10 minutes, hurtigruten is entering Trollfjord
Spectacular! And no easy trick maneuvering that big a ship through those narrow waterways, especially with all those little boats swarming around. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Dear Turq, I ain't muck raking and I certainly ain't making this stuff up neither. It just happens to be journalism reporting. Well, you see there was a big entertainment event last nite on the Fairfield square where lots of community folks turned out. This town is a very fun crossing of folks. Townies and rus. In the community here I know folks bridging back four decades. Old friends. Lots in the crowd I've known for decades. One old RB guy playing bass in the last set last nite on the square is of a group of some of my oldest friends here, Iowans who started TM back in Iowa City together back when. Well, you see in checking up with and interviewing the people I ran across, this account of the facebook dome bannings came out. The people who told it in mixed company with-held the names involved but if pressed they could give them as the people involved were known to them. I didn't need the names to know so I left it. Apparently it was two people who were banned from the domes from their Facebook comments. The account was quite credible enough. The TM-taliban evidently is tightening things up again the way they see things. That is noteworthy. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: More recently they've taken to mining Facebook pages of people on the Course, looking at the Most Admired lists and then taking badges away by following up on that. To be perfectly honest, Buck, I have come to take the things you say with more than a grain of salt. It seems to me that you sometimes go out of your way to find things to manufacture outrage over or or to be paranoid about. So you will have to forgive me if I inquire deeper into this claim. Is this something that you or people you have talked to *claim*, or is it something they could attest to, like in a court of law? The former we can write off to ex-cultists' paranoia about what their former cult might do to them. The latter would be a cult gone mad. (Says Barry hopefully...)
[FairfieldLife] Re: In 10 minutes, hurtigruten is entering Trollfjord
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Spectacular! And no easy trick maneuvering that big a ship through those narrow waterways, especially with all those little boats swarming around It seems the captain is used to all the small boats and doesn't mind. BTW, it's past midnight now, the light is the midnight sun http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In 10 minutes, hurtigruten is entering Trollfjord
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Spectacular! And no easy trick maneuvering that big a ship through those narrow waterways, especially with all those little boats swarming around It seems the captain is used to all the small boats and doesn't mind. BTW, it's past midnight now, the light is the midnight sun Oh, no kidding, I didn't think to look at the time. Just gorgeous, especially the pinkish light where it catches the snow on the mountains. http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In 10 minutes, hurtigruten is entering Trollfjord
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Spectacular! And no easy trick maneuvering that big a ship through those narrow waterways, especially with all those little boats swarming around It seems the captain is used to all the small boats and doesn't mind. BTW, it's past midnight now, the light is the midnight sun Technically it is not the midnight sun yet. They have to cross the polarcircle first, which they will do tomorrow. http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/ http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In 10 minutes, hurtigruten is entering Trollfjord
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Spectacular! And no easy trick maneuvering that big a ship through those narrow waterways, especially with all those little boats swarming around It seems the captain is used to all the small boats and doesn't mind. BTW, it's past midnight now, the light is the midnight sun Technically it is not the midnight sun yet. They have to cross the polarcircle first, which they will do tomorrow. As you can see, the sun is up now, at am 01.15 http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/ http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/
[FairfieldLife] The sky is falling ... tonight
TNT's new sci-fi TV series Falling Skies debuts tonight 9/8c. Check your local listings. http://www.tnt.tv/series/fallingskies/ Will it be good or just more muted trash?
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
I say let's take them. Bring the Iowa Guard back to Iowa and let's take control of this nuclear disaster thing before it gets any worst. Evidently it hardly matters to a Nebraskan what happens in Iowa. Let's fix this fucker like Hawkeyes know how to do. Jump the damn river there like a cyclone and take charge of matters. It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their nuke reactors in on our borders with so little danger to themselves. That's got to be set right. Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us, force us to leave our homes. It's a sorry dang day. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news reports. The article I put up for face value in case people wanted to dig further. Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint) but the no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions are curious. Also there has been some funny stuff going on about Fukushima and radiation reports in the US. I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want the sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in nukes. But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-) On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that Bhairitu posted. Just googled Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant. The Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. Smells fishy. WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters. With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619 Arnie Gundersen Interview: Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 Getting Worse 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa: http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002p=2605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It is the most fire prone in US history. http://thehorseshoeblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nebraska-has-most-fire-prone-nuclear.html But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. http://www.counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Here's a YouTube video that has pictures of the rising waters around the Fort Calhoun plant and other plants plus local area TV reports. Apparently the Obama administration has ordered a news blackout? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDbB3HqNcA Article about the news blackout first report by Pakistan's The Nation: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june172011/nebraska-nuclear.php (Note the editor disputes that the report of a news blackout is a hoax but does think the Pakistani article may contain inaccuracies). Here's the relevant comment calling it a hoax: - Laughing June 17, 2011 3:55 pm (Pacific time) This article is by well-known disinfo artist Sorcha Faal, whose name is, as usual, omitted from the unreliable EUTimes web site, and is also not from Moscow: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1 Note that the web site this news story comes from includes this disclaimer: Some events depicted in certain articles on this website are fictitious and any similarity to any person living or
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
(snip) Householders means you marry someone and raise a family. It doesn't mean you get to be a rock star on the tour bus with 20 somethings when you are in your fifties, ditching one when you get tired of hitting that and moving on by leaving the last girl behind when you travel. And Maharishi told his householder movement couples that they should be celibate too, except when conceiving kids. Of child-rearing he said These couples with kids always look sooo tired. A real family values kind of guy. (snip) This sounds like you're describing someone like Frank Sinatra, rather than Maharishi...?
[FairfieldLife] 'Sex and the Movement'
The TM movement, like the Catholic Church, avoids the topic altogether... Because sex stirs up so much fuss, and on one knows really how to deal with it, they choose to not discuss it at all... Many people who become priests and nuns have sexual issues, they are avoiding... Many of the people on the movement, have done the same... Maharishi avoided any talk of anything sexual... Whether he had intimate relationships, is really his business alone... Intimate relationships, are just that intimate, and not to be discussed with the whole world... Maharishi was a world teacher, and as such, conducted himself respectfully throughout his life... Whether he was intimate or not, with a woman, or women, is really no body's business... No one is forcing anyone in the movement to be celibate, or not to be celibate... That remains a very personal choice, and a choice which sometimes changes through one's lifetime...l R.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Sex and the Movement'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: The TM movement, like the Catholic Church, avoids the topic altogether... Because sex stirs up so much fuss, and on one knows really how to deal with it, they choose to not discuss it at all... Many people who become priests and nuns have sexual issues, they are avoiding... Many of the people on the movement, have done the same... Maharishi avoided any talk of anything sexual... Whether he had intimate relationships, is really his business alone... Intimate relationships, are just that intimate, and not to be discussed with the whole world... Maharishi was a world teacher, and as such, conducted himself respectfully throughout his life... Whether he was intimate or not, with a woman, or women, is really no body's business... No one is forcing anyone in the movement to be celibate, or not to be celibate... That remains a very personal choice, and a choice which sometimes changes through one's lifetime...l R. Finally a balanced post on FFL ! Rick, did you read this ? http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/19/2011 12:32 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This is in my honest opinion pretty much the only reason Maharishi ever became popular. And still is, with some who aren't aware of why they believe the things they do. What about the Beatles? I think that was the reason MMY and TM became popular. Yes, in a PR sense, that is absolutely true. If he hadn't run into the Beatles, almost no one would have ever heard of him. Well, let's get technical here: HE didn't run into the Beatles. The Beatles sought HIM out. He was already famous enough that the Fab Four were hearing his name from their friends. But the fact that he did, and co-opted their fame to increase his own *also* springboarded off of the 60s American hippie-love of anything Indian and the lack of critical thought they brought to anything Indian. Again, the Beatles already had some interest in that topic -independently of Maharishi- although MMY certainly helped make it fashionable Charlie Lutes once said that the movement wouldn't have been as big without them but it might have been more sophisticated. Charlie was a fool. If it hadn't been for the Beatles, almost no one on this forum would ever have heard of Maharishi but him and a few other Theosophist types. Hard to say. The Beach Boys and many others (e.g. Donovan) who were also famous were interested in him, and independently of the Beatles. People were interested in yoga back in the 1960s and the Beatles threw the spotlight on a teacher who was interested in teaching the world. Think if they'd gone down the Scientology road. :-D Back then, they didn't have any celebrities to shill for them. Maharishi did. Dunno if the people gathered around Hubbard saw the benefits of celebrity endorsements the way MMY did, but I suspect there were quite a few celebs back in the day. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I also heard him asked the question directly, and he answered (surprising himself it appeared) that he would have to call himself a householder, because he lived in the world and controlled a large organization (or words to that effect). So I guess him banging groupies was evidence of his consistency then? This is one highly specific context dependent statement among dozens of times I personally heard him refer to his monkiness. Notice that the list of things he mentions that make him a householder does not include banging chicks. Householders means you marry someone and raise a family. It doesn't mean you get to be a rock star on the tour bus with 20 somethings when you are in your fifties, ditching one when you get tired of hitting that and moving on by leaving the last girl behind when you travel. Well, actually none of the four ashramas means this, so it's kind of a non sequitur. And none of the four ashramas, for that matter, fit MMY's life circumstances even if you don't consider the women. One could make the case that when a person embedded in the ashrama tradition tries to mix two of the ashramas, they're very likely to shortchange both of them. Maybe that's why so many swami-types who are out in the world running movements end up sleeping with their followers. They have to interact constantly with women, unlike a renunciate, which means they're more likely to get horny; but they don't have a wife to sleep with if they do get horny, unlike a grihastha. Not an easy row to hoe. CAVEAT FOR THE BRAINLESS: No, I'm not trying to excuse or mitigate MMY's philandering. It was wrong no matter how difficult refraining might have been. Japanese buddhist monasteries took an interesting view on this: the quarters of the younger brothers were situated across the hall from the older brothers... for easy access. THey believed that the celibacy thing only applied to *women*. Sex with guys was perfectly OK. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: The sky is falling ... tonight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: TNT's new sci-fi TV series Falling Skies debuts tonight 9/8c. Check your local listings. http://www.tnt.tv/series/fallingskies/ Will it be good or just more muted trash? I look on most American sci fi to be like the Pokemon anime: the animators and writers know they can do much better, but they're tasked with selling a product, not telling a story -hence the little jokes in the first few seasons about why the policewoman in every village always looked and sounded exactly like the one in the last village (we're a very big family). I've been watching Dark Shadows (the original) lately. For a hokey soap opera with no budget, the writers and actors did a remarkably good job. Watching Barnabas remain stern and focussed as the fly constantly landed on his face was quite impressive. Bottom line is that even the trashy stuff may have sophistication if you know where to look. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
The Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant is one of three in the United States that officials at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) said they were most concerned about back in March, because of doubts that the plant could handle an emergency situation, such as flooding, and still continue to operate safely. I say let's take them. Bring the Iowa Guard back to Iowa and let's take control of this nuclear disaster thing before it gets any worst. Evidently it hardly matters to a Nebraskan what happens in Iowa. Let's fix this fucker like Hawkeyes know how to do. Jump the damn river there like a cyclone and take charge of matters. It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their nuke reactors in on our borders with so little danger to themselves. That's got to be set right. Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us, force us to leave our homes. It's a sorry dang day. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news reports. The article I put up for face value in case people wanted to dig further. Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint) but the no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions are curious. Also there has been some funny stuff going on about Fukushima and radiation reports in the US. I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want the sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in nukes. But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-) On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that Bhairitu posted. Just googled Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant. The Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. Smells fishy. WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters. With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619 Arnie Gundersen Interview: Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 Getting Worse 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa: http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002p=2605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It is the most fire prone in US history. http://thehorseshoeblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nebraska-has-most-fire-prone-nuclear.html But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. http://www.counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Here's a YouTube video that has pictures of the rising waters around the Fort Calhoun plant and other plants plus local area TV reports. Apparently the Obama administration has ordered a news blackout? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDbB3HqNcA Article about the news blackout first report by Pakistan's The Nation: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june172011/nebraska-nuclear.php (Note the editor disputes that the report of a news blackout is a hoax but does think the Pakistani article may contain inaccuracies). Here's the relevant comment calling it a hoax: - Laughing June 17, 2011 3:55 pm (Pacific time)
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
The Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant is one of three in the United States that officials at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) said they were most concerned about back in March, because of doubts that the plant could handle an emergency situation, such as flooding, and still continue to operate safely. I say let's take them. Bring the Iowa Guard back to Iowa and let's take control of this nuclear disaster thing before it gets any worst. Evidently it hardly matters to a Nebraskan what happens in Iowa. Let's fix this fucker like Hawkeyes know how to do. Jump the damn river there like a cyclone and take charge of matters. It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their nuke reactors in on our borders with so little danger to themselves. That's got to be set right. Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us, force us to leave our homes. It's a sorry dang day. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news reports. The article I put up for face value in case people wanted to dig further. Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint) but the no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions are curious. Also there has been some funny stuff going on about Fukushima and radiation reports in the US. I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want the sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in nukes. But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-) On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that Bhairitu posted. Just googled Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant. The Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. Smells fishy. WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters. With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619 Arnie Gundersen Interview: Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 Getting Worse 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa: http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002p=2605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It is the most fire prone in US history. http://thehorseshoeblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nebraska-has-most-fire-prone-nuclear.html But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. http://www.counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Here's a YouTube video that has pictures of the rising waters around the Fort Calhoun plant and other plants plus local area TV reports. Apparently the Obama administration has ordered a news blackout? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDbB3HqNcA Article about the news blackout first report by Pakistan's The Nation: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june172011/nebraska-nuclear.php (Note the editor disputes that the report of a news blackout is a hoax but does think the Pakistani article may contain inaccuracies). Here's the relevant comment calling it a hoax: - Laughing June 17, 2011 3:55 pm (Pacific time)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: More recently they've taken to mining Facebook pages of people on the Course, looking at the Most Admired lists and then taking badges away by following up on that. To be perfectly honest, Buck, I have come to take the things you say with more than a grain of salt. Om Son, late breaking it seems to me that you'll have first even heard about Ft. Caloun first right here. You should come make a stand here with us here on the front line of this and watch it unfold. Yours truely, -Buck in FF It seems to me that you sometimes go out of your way to find things to manufacture outrage over or or to be paranoid about. So you will have to forgive me if I inquire deeper into this claim. Is this something that you or people you have talked to *claim*, or is it something they could attest to, like in a court of law? The former we can write off to ex-cultists' paranoia about what their former cult might do to them. The latter would be a cult gone mad. Om, and they are now going to work harder at catching people? Though the dome meditating numbers are not tenuous enough already without some TM-taliban doing this. Defusing the precarious escalation of conflict in the world? The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html A very refined atmosphere they have going there indeed. There are so many of their numbers who could be 'caught' with this under what has been the defacto Don't ask, don't tell policy selectively 'turning the head' administering of the guidelines. Their driving a fear-based system like they do puts a lot of sadness in the numbers in the domes meditating there together in collective. There is hope and there is goodwill. They certainly have a knack for squandering their goodwill. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: The Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant is one of three in the United States that officials at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) said they were most concerned about back in March, because of doubts that the plant could handle an emergency situation, such as flooding, and still continue to operate safely. Excellent, detailed article--by far the best I've read so far--at Omaha.com, the Omaha World-Herald site. If the director of nuclear safety of the Union of Concerned Scientists isn't worried, that's a really good sign. They don't trust either the nuclear industry or the NRC. Bears close watching, but panic doesn't seem called for at this point: NRC: No flood danger at reactor By Nancy Gaarder WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER FORT CALHOUN, Neb. Despite the stunning sight of the Fort Calhoun nuclear reactor surrounded by water and the weeks of flooding that lie ahead, the plant is in a safe cold shutdown and can remain so indefinitely, the reactor's owners and federal regulators say. We think they've taken adequate steps to protect the plant and to assure continued safety, Victor Dricks, spokesman for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, said Thursday Time has been on Fort Calhoun's side, said David Lochbaum, director of nuclear safety at the Union of Concerned Scientists. The group is a leading watchdog of the nuclear industry. Lochbaum is among the handful of outside experts whom Congress taps for perspective on nuclear problems, including the crisis caused by the March earthquake and tsunami in Japan. At the Fukushima Daiichi plant, operators had less than an hour to react to the quake before the tsunami hit, Lochbaum said. Fort Calhoun has had weeks to ready itself for flooding. That's not enough time to relocate a nuclear plant to higher ground or jack it up on stilts, he said, but it is plenty of time to check to ensure that watertight doors are intact, backup power supplies are available and functional, fuel oil tanks are topped off, etc. That is what OPPD has been doing Read more, including the specifics of the measures that have been taken: http://www.omaha.com/article/20110617/NEWS01/706179913/0#nrc-no-flood-danger-at-reactor http://tinyurl.com/3jtagnq
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
An electrical fire at the plant on June 7 briefly knocked out the cooling system for a pool where spent nuclear fuel is stored, but workers managed to restore the cooling system in about 90 minutes and the temperature of the pool only increased by two degrees. It is not clear whether the electrical fire was related to the flooding. The Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant is one of three in the United States that officials at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) said they were most concerned about back in March, because of doubts that the plant could handle an emergency situation, such as flooding, and still continue to operate safely. I say let's take them. Bring the Iowa Guard back to Iowa and let's take control of this nuclear disaster thing before it gets any worst. Evidently it hardly matters to a Nebraskan what happens in Iowa. Let's fix this fucker like Hawkeyes know how to do. Jump the damn river there like a cyclone and take charge of matters. It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their nuke reactors in on our borders with so little danger to themselves. That's got to be set right. Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us, force us to leave our homes. It's a sorry dang day. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news reports. The article I put up for face value in case people wanted to dig further. Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint) but the no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions are curious. Also there has been some funny stuff going on about Fukushima and radiation reports in the US. I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want the sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in nukes. But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-) On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that Bhairitu posted. Just googled Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant. The Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. Smells fishy. WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters. With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619 Arnie Gundersen Interview: Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 Getting Worse 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa: http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002p=2605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It is the most fire prone in US history. http://thehorseshoeblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nebraska-has-most-fire-prone-nuclear.html But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. http://www.counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Here's a YouTube video that has pictures of the rising waters around the Fort Calhoun plant and other plants plus local area TV reports. Apparently the Obama administration has ordered a news blackout?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
It's been that way in Catholic monasteries in the US for 25-30 years. I found this out back in the late 90's when I went on a forum of ex-monastics from different traditions. Apparently many monstics (not all) believed that as long as there was no penetration then it was not sex. Men and women monasteries had become filled with gays/lesbians who wanted a spiritual lifestyle. They brought their lifestyle with them to the new life, pairing up with partners for a while, stalking competitors or former partners and actually having knock-down fights over who got whom. I didn't believe it at first but then both the men ex-monks and women ex-nuns on the forum began assuring me it was true. When you take a monastic life it doesn't matter what you were in the outer world because you are now a celibate. A sure sign of the corruption of the tradition is the abandonment of this austerity and a wholesale embrace of sexual dalliances. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I also heard him asked the question directly, and he answered (surprising himself it appeared) that he would have to call himself a householder, because he lived in the world and controlled a large organization (or words to that effect). So I guess him banging groupies was evidence of his consistency then? This is one highly specific context dependent statement among dozens of times I personally heard him refer to his monkiness. Notice that the list of things he mentions that make him a householder does not include banging chicks. Householders means you marry someone and raise a family. It doesn't mean you get to be a rock star on the tour bus with 20 somethings when you are in your fifties, ditching one when you get tired of hitting that and moving on by leaving the last girl behind when you travel. Well, actually none of the four ashramas means this, so it's kind of a non sequitur. And none of the four ashramas, for that matter, fit MMY's life circumstances even if you don't consider the women. One could make the case that when a person embedded in the ashrama tradition tries to mix two of the ashramas, they're very likely to shortchange both of them. Maybe that's why so many swami-types who are out in the world running movements end up sleeping with their followers. They have to interact constantly with women, unlike a renunciate, which means they're more likely to get horny; but they don't have a wife to sleep with if they do get horny, unlike a grihastha. Not an easy row to hoe. CAVEAT FOR THE BRAINLESS: No, I'm not trying to excuse or mitigate MMY's philandering. It was wrong no matter how difficult refraining might have been. Japanese buddhist monasteries took an interesting view on this: the quarters of the younger brothers were situated across the hall from the older brothers... for easy access. THey believed that the celibacy thing only applied to *women*. Sex with guys was perfectly OK. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
If the cooling system had failed completely, then the spent fuel would have overheated, caught fire, and released radiation into the atmosphere--the same problem that occurred in Japan when nuclear reactors there were flooded by the tsunami caused by an offshore earthquake in early March. An electrical fire at the plant on June 7 briefly knocked out the cooling system for a pool where spent nuclear fuel is stored, but workers managed to restore the cooling system in about 90 minutes and the temperature of the pool only increased by two degrees. It is not clear whether the electrical fire was related to the flooding. The Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant is one of three in the United States that officials at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) said they were most concerned about back in March, because of doubts that the plant could handle an emergency situation, such as flooding, and still continue to operate safely. I say let's take them. Bring the Iowa Guard back to Iowa and let's take control of this nuclear disaster thing before it gets any worst. Evidently it hardly matters to a Nebraskan what happens in Iowa. Let's fix this fucker like Hawkeyes know how to do. Jump the damn river there like a cyclone and take charge of matters. It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their nuke reactors in on our borders with so little danger to themselves. That's got to be set right. Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us, force us to leave our homes. It's a sorry dang day. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news reports. The article I put up for face value in case people wanted to dig further. Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint) but the no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions are curious. Also there has been some funny stuff going on about Fukushima and radiation reports in the US. I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want the sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in nukes. But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-) On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that Bhairitu posted. Just googled Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant. The Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. Smells fishy. WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters. With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619 Arnie Gundersen Interview: Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 Getting Worse 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa: http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002p=2605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It is the most fire prone in US history. http://thehorseshoeblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nebraska-has-most-fire-prone-nuclear.html But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. http://www.counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
The NRC said last year that the Omaha Public Power District's flood response plan, which basically amounted to placing sandbags around the facility to hold back the Missouri River during times of flood, was inadequate. OPPD responded by adding new flood gates. If the cooling system had failed completely, then the spent fuel would have overheated, caught fire, and released radiation into the atmosphere--the same problem that occurred in Japan when nuclear reactors there were flooded by the tsunami caused by an offshore earthquake in early March. An electrical fire at the plant on June 7 briefly knocked out the cooling system for a pool where spent nuclear fuel is stored, but workers managed to restore the cooling system in about 90 minutes and the temperature of the pool only increased by two degrees. It is not clear whether the electrical fire was related to the flooding. The Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant is one of three in the United States that officials at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) said they were most concerned about back in March, because of doubts that the plant could handle an emergency situation, such as flooding, and still continue to operate safely. I say let's take them. Bring the Iowa Guard back to Iowa and let's take control of this nuclear disaster thing before it gets any worst. Evidently it hardly matters to a Nebraskan what happens in Iowa. Let's fix this fucker like Hawkeyes know how to do. Jump the damn river there like a cyclone and take charge of matters. It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their nuke reactors in on our borders with so little danger to themselves. That's got to be set right. Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us, force us to leave our homes. It's a sorry dang day. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news reports. The article I put up for face value in case people wanted to dig further. Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint) but the no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions are curious. Also there has been some funny stuff going on about Fukushima and radiation reports in the US. I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want the sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in nukes. But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-) On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that Bhairitu posted. Just googled Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant. The Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. Smells fishy. WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters. With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619 Arnie Gundersen Interview: Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 Getting Worse 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa: http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002p=2605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html The other
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/19/2011 12:32 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This is in my honest opinion pretty much the only reason Maharishi ever became popular. And still is, with some who aren't aware of why they believe the things they do. What about the Beatles? I think that was the reason MMY and TM became popular. Yes, in a PR sense, that is absolutely true. If he hadn't run into the Beatles, almost no one would have ever heard of him. Well, let's get technical here: HE didn't run into the Beatles. The Beatles sought HIM out. He was already famous enough that the Fab Four were hearing his name from their friends. Famous enough *in England* and among their friends that they'd heard of him. There were no large-scale articles about him until after he'd run into and thus been associated with the Beatles. But the fact that he did, and co-opted their fame to increase his own *also* springboarded off of the 60s American hippie-love of anything Indian and the lack of critical thought they brought to anything Indian. Again, the Beatles already had some interest in that topic -independently of Maharishi- although MMY certainly helped make it fashionable Where do you get this stuff? Maharishi was speaking in their 'hood, that's all. As I remember it a friend of Patty Boyd's had heard of him and they went to see him speak. Maharishi had made nothing fashionable because at that point almost no one had heard of him. Charlie Lutes once said that the movement wouldn't have been as big without them but it might have been more sophisticated. Charlie was a fool. If it hadn't been for the Beatles, almost no one on this forum would ever have heard of Maharishi but him and a few other Theosophist types. Hard to say. The Beach Boys and many others (e.g. Donovan) who were also famous were interested in him, and independently of the Beatles. Independently of, but because of. They would never have heard of Maharishi had it not been for the Beatles, and I dare say they would never have been *interested* in him if it had not been for the Beatles. Their involvement happened *after* the Beatles met him, Lawson, as did the major press articles in magazines like Look. That's when I first heard of him, too, in 1967, as a result of the Beatles meeting him, so I tend to remember the sequence. The Beatles happened first, and then all the other rock stars or folk stars like Donovan climbed on board so that they could be photographed with the Beatles' guru, too. Rishikesh and the Beatles actually spending time with MMY didn't happen until the next year. Look up the dates, Lawson. People were interested in yoga back in the 1960s and the Beatles threw the spotlight on a teacher who was interested in teaching the world. Think if they'd gone down the Scientology road. :-D Back then, they didn't have any celebrities to shill for them. Maharishi did. Dunno if the people gathered around Hubbard saw the benefits of celebrity endorsements the way MMY did, but I suspect there were quite a few celebs back in the day. Name one.
