[FairfieldLife] iOS getting old??
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[FairfieldLife] Maitreya in St. Moritz
Bilderberg 2011: Lord Mandelson's nature walk Charlie Skelton looks on as Peter Mandelson and some billionaire buddies take the air at Bilderberg * * * * http://www.reddit.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fnews\ %2Fblog%2F2011%2Fjun%2F12%2Fbilderberg-2011-mandelson-nature-walktitle=\ reddit this http://www.reddit.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fnews\ %2Fblog%2F2011%2Fjun%2F12%2Fbilderberg-2011-mandelson-nature-walktitle=\ * Comments (359) http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jun/12/bilderberg-2011-mandels\ on-nature-walk#start-of-comments [Peter Mandelson and Richard Lambert] Peter Mandelson and Richard Lambert at Bilderberg. Photograph: Quierosaber A shadow fell across the Engadine. The skylark ceased his merry song, the flowers curled and blackened in the meadow and a man in a special issue Bilderberg http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/bilderberg anorak set off on his stroll. Bilderberg has had some bad ideas in its time (a European superstate, anyone?) but Lord Mandelson's nature walk has to be the worst. What were they hoping for? Had they not seen the 200 activists camped opposite the hotel gates? Out of the gates they drove in their very own Bilderbus, up the mountain to a charming spot. The plan: to amble down through the gorgeous scenery, back to the Suvretta House Hotel for tea. Out of the bus stepped Erich Schmidt, the executive chairman of Google, and Franco Bernabè, the CEO of Telecom Italia, followed by China's vice-minister of foreign affairs, Ying Fu, with her amazing hair. [The Chinese minister Ying Fu] Photograph: Hannah Borno Then came the Swedish billionaire banker and industrialist Jacob Wallenberg, and the dapper CEO of Airbus, Thomas Enders. More of him later. Mandelson led the way, locked in conversation with Sir Richard Lambert, a global non-executive director for Ernst Young and the former editor of the FT. The Tory MP Rory Stewart trotted behind. It was an odd walk right from the start. From nowhere, like something from a dream, a distinguished lady, dressed from top to toe in white, whooshed serenely past security and swanned to the front of the power walkers. [The mysterious lady, dressed in white, at Bilderberg] Photograph: Hannah Borno No one recognised her or has seen her since. She had an other-worldy quality; I half expected her to be leading them to Charon's boat, or up a stairway formed of clouds. Mandelson fell into step with Schmidt. We couldn't hear their happy chatter, but I presume they were admiring the breathtaking scenery, comparing their favourite wild flower, and hammering out how best to implement an internet kill switch. [Peter Mandelson and Erich Schmidt] Photograph: Stefan-Hans Bauer The lady in white led her band of Bilderberg bigwigs and billionaires along the charming Swiss byways, across bridges over gentle streams ... and straight into a pack of 50 baffled activists, who were milling around outside a community hall during a break in a symposium. This couldn't possibly be happening. This is terrible, Mandelson was heard to exclaim as the activists swarmed around the delegates, firing questions and chorusing their concern. You can watch some remarkable footage from the incident on Alex Jones's website http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-members-confronted-by-protesters-out\ side-hotel/ . One activist, Ali Aslan, walked alongside Enders, the Airbus boss, and asked him what was being discussed at this year's conference. Nothing bad, said Enders. We are just making our agendas. (This was the German word used: agenda the same as in English). I don't understand, said Alsan. There are politicians inside. Why are we not allowed to know what you're talking about? Enders smiled and said: I don't have to tell you, and you don't need to know. And with that, he and his fellow delegates ducked beneath the security cordon, into the blessed safety of Bilderberg. I don't know who organised the conference itinerary this year but good luck in your next job.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:58 PM, johnt wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning It's called the placebo effect silly. I thought the placebo effect tended to go away after a few weeks. I've been getting results from the TM puja for 34 years. It stills my mind. I recite it often, for that purpose. Patrick, I do not deny your experience with the TM puja, but I would suggest another explanatin for it. I wouldn't use the words placebo effect, as Vaj does, but I would certainly call any subjective effect associated with performing the puja an exercise in trained moodmaking. If you think back on it, what could possibly BE more of an exercise in moodmaking than the way we were taught to perform the puja? It (at least as taught on my TTC) was *not* about the mere power of the words and reciting them. We were taught explicitly to (contravening MMY's Don't divide the mind dictum) maintain a constant awareness of the meaning of the words in the puja in our minds while chanting/singing them. We were told endless stories about the personal- ities of the teachers and/or gods and goddesses being invoked by the words of the puja, and taught explicitly to keep a conscious awareness of those meanings in our minds. It was also implied in no uncertain terms that the puja was *supposed* to make you high, to change your state of attention and boost you into a higher one. Is it any wonder that many found that to be the case? Duh. Classic hypnotic suggestion. Classic moodmaking. Me, I rarely found there to be any SOC-shifting aspect to performing the puja. I became aware early on that any such feelings were produced *by me*, as a result of whether I indulged in the moodmaking I'd been taught to indulge in or not. Repeat the words without dwelling on the images or meanings I'd been taught to dwell on, and nada...zilch...bupkus. I could just as easily have been reading from the telephone book, for all the change it produced in my state of attention. Add in the mood- making instructions, divide the mind and *expect* there to be a shift in my state of awareness, and I could feel a light buzz. Nothing profound, just a light buzz. I honestly believe that the reverence many TM teachers have for the puja and its magical Woo Woo qualities is based on not being able to tell the difference between a light buzz and a profound shift in one's state of attention. But then, unlike many of them, I'm not a proponent of magical thinking, in which one believes that certain words (mantras, chants, etc.) have a Woo Woo quality that can transform consciousness merely by thinking, chanting or hearing the magical words. I would be willing to bet that any competent researcher with a knowledge of how the puja was supposed to work could create a set of nonsense words, train TM teachers how to repeat them while holding in their minds certain images that they had been trained to consider elevating or inspiring, and they'd experience the same buzz or high that they experience from the TM puja. They've *already* been trained in how to moodmake themselves into a supposedly higher state of consciousness, after all; the only difference would be the nonsense words used as a trigger mechanism. I fully *understand* the desire to attribute what you feel to something magical or mystical associated with the puja. It's just that, based on my own experience and my own interpretation of the same training we received and performing the same ritual, I don't buy it. I think it's pretty much a classic example of trained moodmaking. Your mileage may vary.
[FairfieldLife] The Gathering of the Forces of Light - Mass UFO sightings
The Gathering of the Forces of Light Mass UFO sightings In the article `The Gathering of the Forces of Light' published in Share International in March 2007, Benjamin Creme's Master predicted a huge increase in UFO activity, so much so that the phenomenon would be difficult to deny. He explained: These will include sightings, in unprecedented numbers, of spacecraft from our neighbouring planets, Mars and Venus in particular. Nothing like this increased activity, over vast areas of the Earth, will have been seen before . The minds of men will be baffled and amazed by these wonders, and this will cause them to ponder deeply. This year, 2011, has seen increasing numbers of UFOs reported all over the world, including some extraordinary mass sightings. Media are reporting the phenomenon more seriously and many governments are gradually releasing their secret UFO documents. With video-making technology now available to the masses mobile phones and video cameras the people are leading the way in filming UFO sightings and posting them on the internet. This new development has allowed people to broadcast their films to a huge audience, and has encouraged more media channels to report and investigate the sightings. In just two weeks of August 2011 the following mass UFO sightings were reported from four parts of the world: Sacramento, California, USA [Sacramento UFO] http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/images/201110_u\ fo_sacramento.jpg A vast group of UFOs was filmed and posted on YouTube by `njorgensen1154', who was in his pool when he saw thousands of these things in the sky, just sitting there, flying very high, northwards over Carmichael, near Sacramento, California, at around 7pm local time on 13 August 2011. He filmed the white orbs for about 15 minutes, until they finally moved out of range of his camcorder. They range from when I first saw them in colour from white, orange and red, and now they're pretty much white, the video narration says. He films and describes the movement of individual objects within the mass of objects: They keep grouping and spreading out and changing formations Why would balloons group in formations? they're making V-formations, they breaking apart, they're changing directions . I think the bigger ones are co-ordinators I can't explain it. I mean, why are they grouping in triangle formations, and then lining up, and separating, then pulling back, then going wide. You can't tell me it's just the air randomly blowing them in a new formation or a triangle formation. (Source: YouTube: njorgensen1154 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwGk2gaGHQI ) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the `white orbs' were spacecraft from Mars and Venus.) Daejeon, South Korea [South Korea UFO] http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/images/201110_u\ fo_daejeon.jpg During the evening of 11 August 2011, hundreds of witnesses watched a fleet of bright lights moving slowly northeast across the sky above a residential area of the city of Daejeon, South Korea. The Korean television channel MBC covered the sighting in its news bulletin, with eyewitness interviews and excerpts from the many phone cameras and videos recording the event. Witnesses described dozens of very bright objects travelling north-eastward in formation. I saw some bright things at the edge of clouds in the sky, which I first thought was very interesting. But then, 30 minutes later, they started to move, said one observer. There were about 20 objects in the sky. The MBC news coverage included Professor Maeng Seong-ryeol, professor at Woosuk University and president of the Korean UFO Research Center, who said that this was probably the first time that this type of bright, moving UFO had been captured on camera in Korea. Given the brightness of the objects, taken by a mobile phone, they are highly likely to be the sightings of UFOs, said UFO investigator Seo Jong-han. It is almost impossible for flying lamps to be as bright as that at night, as some people suspect. A phone call to the news desk from a Korean Air Force spokesperson confirmed that there were no flights at the time, and nothing detected on radar. MBC's narrator added that enlarged pictures of the objects confirmed that they emitted irregular patterns of flashes, as if they were swirling. Considering the steady formation and frequent changes in flight distance, the features distinct from conventional aeroplanes, the narrator added, the analysis suggests that there is a high likelihood that the objects are UFOs. (Source: examiner.com; YouTube: UFOglobalRC http://www.youtube.com/user/UFOglobalRC#p/u/18/jGDyCSPAfQg ) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that they are spacecraft from Mars.) St Petersburg, Russia http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/images/201110_u\ fo_st_petersburg.jpg Multiple UFOs were sighted on the evening of 20 August 2011 at around 10.45 pm over St Petersburg, Russia.
[FairfieldLife] The Sword of Cleavage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Too little, too late. But as to what those specific changes should be, I don't know. Maybe Mr. Creme has something concrete to offer. I'm willing to listen even to him. This is what Mr. Creme and Maitreya has to say: The Sword of Cleavage We present a selection of quotations on the theme of `The Sword of Cleavage' from Maitreya (Messages from Maitreya the Christ, and Maitreya's Teachings The Laws of Life), Benjamin Creme's Master (A Master Speaks), and Benjamin Creme's writings. When Maitreya comes before the world there will begin for men a period of intense heart-searching and reflection. It is only to be expected that for many it will be a painful, even traumatic, one. So steeped in the ways and ideas of the past, so fearful of a future unknown and strange, are millions today, that men will want to take stock of the new situation which will then pertain . When Maitreya first announces His plans and hopes for the rehabilitation of the world, His energy of Love the Sword of Cleavage will further delineate the divisions which now exist. Men will take sides for or against the new principles that He will present for the betterment of all. Thus will it be. Thus will a period of discord and discontent precede the acceptance of the new. Gradually, however, even the least sanguine will acknowledge the need for a reconstructed world and add their weight to the task. There will begin a time unlike aught seen before on Earth. On every hand and at every level the changes will pursue their logical course, cementing in law and principle and form the aspirations of all. Thus will men regain a hold on their destiny and turn away for ever from the abyss. (Benjamin Creme's Master, from `Coping with change') The world has come to a point not only of no return but of total crisis, total confrontation between good and ill, between that which produces harmony and that which produces the opposite. This is the result of the energy of the Sword of Cleavage. In the Christian Bible we read that Jesus said: The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against his brother, and so on, all very destructive. The Sword of Cleavage is, ironically it may seem, the energy of Love. That is what has been happening and is happening today, and will be focused to a fine point by Maitreya. It is the energy of Love pouring out now through all the planes. It saturates the world, and its effect on humanity is to make you more of what you are. If you are a person of goodwill, that will be stimulated and potentized. If you are destructive, of bad will, you become more so. All, good and bad alike, are stimulated. In this way humanity will see very clearly what it has to do. If this did not happen, we might feel that we could soldier on as we are. It would be difficult, but we might think that eventually, perhaps, things would subside and be all right again as it never was in the past. The Sword of Cleavage sharpens the differences and makes clear the options before humanity. More and more people, with the sharpened vision that the Sword gives us, see that there is no alternative any more to peace. If we do not have peace, we will have complete destruction of all life on the planet. Peace, then, is no longer an option for humanity: it is essential. This understanding is the result of the action of Maitreya's energy of Love. It is the Sword of Cleavage, outlining clearly the way forward for humanity: through brotherhood, justice, sharing and peace; through freedom, right relationship and all that flows from these. It is either that, or continuing on the way of the present and destroying all life. (Benjamin Creme, Share International Jan/Feb 2007) My Plan is to reveal to men that there exists for them but two paths. One will lead them inexorably to devastation and death. The other, My friends, My dear ones, will lead mankind straight to God; and in the light of His Presence they, if ready, will see wonders and unbelievable glories. My Task is to point the way, to lead you out of discord into that blessed state of Harmony and Love which will vouchsafe to you that dream. My Work proceeds, and soon, now very soon, you will see My Face and hear My Words. The period of test begins. My Plan is to place before you these two alternatives, to outline the possibilities and the pitfalls. The choice is yours; you, from your own divinely given freewill, must decide. (Maitreya, from Message No.16) A crisis of decision awaits mankind. My Love creates a polarity of viewpoints; that is the Sword which I wield. My friends, know well where you stand and receive My Light. Take care where you place your feet: on the steps which lead to tomorrow or oblivion. Men and women of the world, My brothers, My children, I appeal to you: take the upward path into the Light of the Truth which I bring, and be enabled to manifest the Gods which you are. (Maitreya, from
[FairfieldLife] Share or die
The Sword of Cleavage is really the energy of love. The energy of love is the sword which creates cleavage in the world. Cleavage is difference, separation, and yet, when we understand it, that energy is released to the world by Maitreya Who is the Avatar of Love. He releases that love in the world and it stimulates everybody without exception, the good, the bad, the altruistic, the selfish, the greedy, the unselfish, and so on. Everybody is stimulated. The energy itself is purely impersonal, it is neither good nor bad. It is an energy which stimulates, it brings together all peoples, and even the particles of matter which hold the world together. The particles of matter in our body are held together by that same energy. It is God the Son, the Christ aspect, the Consciousness aspect. That energy of love holds and binds together the particles of matter without which there would be no world, and when it is released in a mass way, as it has been for many years, it creates the Sword of Cleavage. All of this is the action of the Law of Love. This creates the Sword of Cleavage so that humanity will see clearly what the choice is. The pairs of opposites have never been clearer: gross materialism, stock exchanges reeling because of overwhelming greed, and at the same time people dying in millions from starvation. Maitreya's Sword of Cleavage forces humanity to make a choice: to share or die. He states it clearly: Men must share or die. There is no other course. When it dawns on us that we share or we die, of course we will accept to share and that will create the conditions in which all can live in peace. (Benjamin Creme, The Art of Living: Living within the Laws of Life) http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#soft\ t http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#sof\ tt
[FairfieldLife] Maitreya's plan
My Plan is to reveal to men that there exists for them but two paths. One will lead them inexorably to devastation and death. The other, My friends, My dear ones, will lead mankind straight to God; and in the light of His Presence they, if ready, will see wonders and unbelievable glories. My Task is to point the way, to lead you out of discord into that blessed state of Harmony and Love which will vouchsafe to you that dream. My Work proceeds, and soon, now very soon, you will see My Face and hear My Words. The period of test begins. My Plan is to place before you these two alternatives, to outline the possibilities and the pitfalls. The choice is yours; you, from your own divinely given freewill, must decide. (Maitreya, from Message No.16) http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#soft\ t http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#sof\ tt
[FairfieldLife] Much that is loved must go
Much that is loved must go. Cling not to the old forms. Much will depend on man's ability to renounce these outworn structures, and to create a new and simpler world. Remember this. Forget not that I come to change all things. My Coming brings peace. Likewise, My Presence brings cleavage. My Sword, that Love which I am, will separate all men, will show the True from the false, will clear the way for the New Light which I bring. May it be that you can withstand this change and accept My Light. (Maitreya, from Message No.74) http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#soft\ t http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#sof\ tt
[FairfieldLife] Love is totally impersonal.
Love is totally impersonal. That is why it is called the `Sword of Cleavage'. It divides by the fact that people respond to this impersonal energy in whatever way they are motivated. If they are motivated by good, desire for the best for all humanity, they will take that aspect and act on it. If their motive is `evil', for want of a better word, if it is separative, non-inclusive, they will take that same energy of love and be galvanized in the opposite direction. So it stimulates everything, the good and the bad, the selfish and the altruistic. That is why Maitreya has to be very careful with it, very skillful, to make sure that the right reaction is uppermost. We think of love as something completely personal; we love some people and we dislike other people. But love is nothing to do with that. It is an unbroken stream of God-given energy which magnetically ties together the tiny little blocks of matter which make the universe, and, at the same time, the individual blocks which make a group. (Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's Mission Volume Two) http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#soft\ t http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#sof\ tt
[FairfieldLife] For Yifu
The energy of love is absolutely neutral. It is neither `good' nor `bad'. We think of love as being all good. It is neutral. It is the `Sword of Cleavage' which is used by the Christ deliberately to stimulate all Beings. It stimulates the good and the bad. It stimulates the selfish and greedy, and at the same time the altruism of others. It creates a line down the middle so humanity can see where it has to stand, with no blurred edges, just where is the good and where is the evil, where the greed and where the true soul altruism. There are people who pretend to themselves that they are selfless and all for the good of the world. But at the basis of their life they are greedy and selfish. The Sword of Cleavage cuts through this hypocrisy, and shows people in their true light. So we can see clearly that if we go one way, it will make for total disaster. If we go another, it will make for regeneration and a new world. (Benjamin Creme, The Art of Living: Living within the Laws of Life) http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#soft\ t http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-10.htm#sof\ tt
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:40 PM, feste37 wrote: Good question. I did TM for more than 30 years, but then about 7 or 8 years ago, I lost the desire to do it. This happened quite quickly, as I recall, over a period of maybe a few months. I just no longer had any desire to meditate, so I stopped doing it and have never gone back to it. Having said that, I still think it's a good technique that can dramatically change people's lives for the better, especially in the first year or so of practice, although I don't think it accomplishes all that its most ardent advocates claim for it, especially over the long term. Interesting how certain, once pressing needs or desires, can just disappear, leaving no impulse to pursue them any longer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:40 PM, feste37 wrote: Good question. I did TM for more than 30 years, but then about 7 or 8 years ago, I lost the desire to do it. This happened quite quickly, as I recall, over a period of maybe a few months. I just no longer had any desire to meditate, so I stopped doing it and have never gone back to it. Having said that, I still think it's a good technique that can dramatically change people's lives for the better, especially in the first year or so of practice, although I don't think it accomplishes all that its most ardent advocates claim for it, especially over the long term. Interesting how certain, once pressing needs or desires, can just disappear, leaving no impulse to pursue them any longer. Yes, indeed. Something we can agree on at last!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:38 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I wouldn't use the words placebo effect, as Vaj does I'd more specifically call it expectation effect from indoctrination, that expectation creating a style of placebo relaxation response. It really seems to center around belief. If you do not or cannot change the belief system you were imprinted with - and it seems because of the light trance states that TM induces makes such imprints more lasting - you may have to do more than change your belief. You may need to re-imprint yourself with a deeper, more integrated meditative experience to override the earlier imprint. Otherwise, you're stuck with what you got. And slowly over time, your brain have been altered to readjust the hardware to what you've been doing, month-to-month, year-to-year. Of course if you also surround yourself with people who echo back the same memes, you become that world - but become effectively trapped in a samsara of your own creation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Hi Patrick, no need to consider these two failures with coarse nervous systems. They wouldn't feel the puja if it smacked them in the face (and I wish it would). Opinions by one fool who hasn't meditated or done his puja for 40+ years and another who never learned it. Such hubris and BS. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:58 PM, johnt wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning It's called the placebo effect silly. I thought the placebo effect tended to go away after a few weeks. I've been getting results from the TM puja for 34 years. It stills my mind. I recite it often, for that purpose. Patrick, I do not deny your experience with the TM puja, but I would suggest another explanatin for it. I wouldn't use the words placebo effect, as Vaj does, but I would certainly call any subjective effect associated with performing the puja an exercise in trained moodmaking. If you think back on it, what could possibly BE more of an exercise in moodmaking than the way we were taught to perform the puja? It (at least as taught on my TTC) was *not* about the mere power of the words and reciting them. We were taught explicitly to (contravening MMY's Don't divide the mind dictum) maintain a constant awareness of the meaning of the words in the puja in our minds while chanting/singing them. We were told endless stories about the personal- ities of the teachers and/or gods and goddesses being invoked by the words of the puja, and taught explicitly to keep a conscious awareness of those meanings in our minds. It was also implied in no uncertain terms that the puja was *supposed* to make you high, to change your state of attention and boost you into a higher one. Is it any wonder that many found that to be the case? Duh. Classic hypnotic suggestion. Classic moodmaking. Me, I rarely found there to be any SOC-shifting aspect to performing the puja. I became aware early on that any such feelings were produced *by me*, as a result of whether I indulged in the moodmaking I'd been taught to indulge in or not. Repeat the words without dwelling on the images or meanings I'd been taught to dwell on, and nada...zilch...bupkus. I could just as easily have been reading from the telephone book, for all the change it produced in my state of attention. Add in the mood- making instructions, divide the mind and *expect* there to be a shift in my state of awareness, and I could feel a light buzz. Nothing profound, just a light buzz. I honestly believe that the reverence many TM teachers have for the puja and its magical Woo Woo qualities is based on not being able to tell the difference between a light buzz and a profound shift in one's state of attention. But then, unlike many of them, I'm not a proponent of magical thinking, in which one believes that certain words (mantras, chants, etc.) have a Woo Woo quality that can transform consciousness merely by thinking, chanting or hearing the magical words. I would be willing to bet that any competent researcher with a knowledge of how the puja was supposed to work could create a set of nonsense words, train TM teachers how to repeat them while holding in their minds certain images that they had been trained to consider elevating or inspiring, and they'd experience the same buzz or high that they experience from the TM puja. They've *already* been trained in how to moodmake themselves into a supposedly higher state of consciousness, after all; the only difference would be the nonsense words used as a trigger mechanism. I fully *understand* the desire to attribute what you feel to something magical or mystical associated with the puja. It's just that, based on my own experience and my own interpretation of the same training we received and performing the same ritual, I don't buy it. I think it's pretty much a classic example of trained moodmaking. Your mileage may vary.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:40 PM, feste37 wrote: Good question. I did TM for more than 30 years, but then about 7 or 8 years ago, I lost the desire to do it. This happened quite quickly, as I recall, over a period of maybe a few months. I just no longer had any desire to meditate, so I stopped doing it and have never gone back to it. Having said that, I still think it's a good technique that can dramatically change people's lives for the better, especially in the first year or so of practice, although I don't think it accomplishes all that its most ardent advocates claim for it, especially over the long term. Interesting how certain, once pressing needs or desires, can just disappear, leaving no impulse to pursue them any longer. So why do you think people seem to get diminishing returns with decades of doing TM/TMSP? It's all so exciting during the first few years of TM, the first 2 advanced techniques, the first few years of the TMSP.I just can't buy the argument that one's working on deeper and more extensive stress/karma. If that were so, every few years, at least, there's be a lurch forward. But this isn't. Indeed people I know who come to IA for a few months every year and go back home actually find their quality of life degrading. And yes, they pay $25-$50/EUR 25/EUR 50 to get frequent checkings.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Tom Pall wrote: So why do you think people seem to get diminishing returns with decades of doing TM/TMSP? It's all so exciting during the first few years of TM, the first 2 advanced techniques, the first few years of the TMSP.I just can't buy the argument that one's working on deeper and more extensive stress/karma. If that were so, every few years, at least, there's be a lurch forward. But this isn't. Indeed people I know who come to IA for a few months every year and go back home actually find their quality of life degrading. And yes, they pay $25-$50/EUR 25/EUR 50 to get frequent checkings. There's no real mastery of the mind taking place, as it's too languid of a technique IMO. In traditional mantra meditation as I was taught it, the blank thought-free state, and esp. gaps in breathing were considered a sign that it was time to move onto the next stage, which was a more Patanjalian attentional training. Since an individual is more than a mental continuum, there's more to self-mastery than transcending the coarse mental level and imaging one's achieving samadhi. Without a stable foundation for ones telescope one cannot reliably create a subjective facility with which to experience clearly. The subjective facility never becomes reliable. It's like a bouncing telescope trying to observe the inner sky. Without mental vividness, mental perception is entrained as a fuzz. And unless one knows how to defeat mental laxity and excitation at the subtle level, one can never reach the level of complete pacification of afflictive emotional states like aggression or cravings. Over time this unmastery becomes hardwired. We're stuck. Getting stuck and staying stuck are great advantages for certain classes of gurus - esp. those with extensive and expensive product lines. It becomes like the Matrix: we don't even realize we're seeing a projected reality and we're actually suspended in an enslaving device intended to utilize our bodily or monetary energy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hi Patrick, no need to consider these two failures with coarse nervous systems. They wouldn't feel the puja if it smacked them in the face (and I wish it would). Opinions by one fool who hasn't meditated or done his puja for 40+ years and another who never learned it. Such hubris and BS. Bingo ! Glad you threw in a comment here. I would'nt bother as I see all those havebeens who have opinions on things the haven'nt been doing for 40+ years as completely irrelevant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sloth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: by the Pizz http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/1997shows/pizz/sloth.jpg http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/1997shows/pizz/sloth.jp\ g [http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/1d3342b04826012e126700163e41dd5b]
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:38 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I wouldn't use the words placebo effect, as Vaj does I'd more specifically call it expectation effect from indoctrination, that expectation creating a style of placebo relaxation response. It really seems to center around belief. Well, duh! That's rather exactly what according to PJ seems to be the conditio sine qua non of (asaMprajñaata?)-samaadhi (for upaaya-pratyaya-yogi_s): *shraddhaa*-viirya-smRti-samaadhi-prajñaa-puurvaka itareSaam! shraddhAf. faith , trust , confidence , trustfulness , faithfulness , belief in...
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Patrick, I do not deny your experience with the TM puja, but I would suggest another explanatin for it. I wouldn't use the words placebo effect, as Vaj does, but I would certainly call any subjective effect associated with performing the puja an exercise in trained moodmaking. If you think back on it, what could possibly BE more of an exercise in moodmaking than the way we were taught to perform the puja? It (at least as taught on my TTC) was *not* about the mere power of the words and reciting them. We were taught explicitly to (contravening MMY's Don't divide the mind dictum) maintain a constant awareness of the meaning of the words in the puja in our minds while chanting/singing them. We were told endless stories about the personal- ities of the teachers and/or gods and goddesses being invoked by the words of the puja, and taught explicitly to keep a conscious awareness of those meanings in our minds. It was also implied in no uncertain terms that the puja was *supposed* to make you high, to change your state of attention and boost you into a higher one. On my TTC the mind floats on the meaning of the Puja, which happened quite effortlessly after the performing the it hundreds of times. It's not just my hundreds of times that enlivens the Woo Woo-shakti-magic-whatcha-ma-call-it of the Puja, it's the collective performance of TM initiators for many years that enlivens the Puja. Rituals become more powerful over time. Whether it's Dexter collecting blood slides or thousands of priests celebrating the rite of the Holy Eucharist, such rituals evoke a specific quality of energy one plugs into. For me, if I put my attention on it, anything associated with the Puja, a piece of fruit, a flower, a candle, the scent sandalwood, can evoke a feeling of devotion in the heart, a sense of Mother is at Home or the deep comfort one feels enjoying family life. It's an inner smile. Barry will dismiss this as moodmaking of course, but I'd say that when he became an initiator he was simply unable to open his heart to the experience of gratitude and devotion and that's why he's such a sourpuss about TM today. Note to johnt: The Puja has nothing to do with brainwave entrainment. You made that up. Furthermore, studying Bandler and Grinder will never give you any insight into the power of the Puja if you just focus on one individual doing the Puja. Study the years of collective performance of the Puja to enliven the mantras and you might be on to something. I honestly believe that the reverence many TM teachers have for the puja and its magical Woo Woo qualities is based on not being able to tell the difference between a light buzz and a profound shift in one's state of attention. Barry, if you're going to make a distinction implying that a profound shift in one's state of attention is *better* than a light buzz without defining buzz or shift or explaining the difference (as if you have had some such *superior* experience and know the difference) you're just setting up a straw man for the sake of denigrating Patrick's experience of the Puja and being nasty and snide, as usual.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:40 PM, feste37 wrote: Good question. I did TM for more than 30 years, but then about 7 or 8 years ago, I lost the desire to do it. This happened quite quickly, as I recall, over a period of maybe a few months. I just no longer had any desire to meditate, so I stopped doing it and have never gone back to it. Having said that, I still think it's a good technique that can dramatically change people's lives for the better, especially in the first year or so of practice, although I don't think it accomplishes all that its most ardent advocates claim for it, especially over the long term. Interesting how certain, once pressing needs or desires, can just disappear, leaving no impulse to pursue them any longer. So why do you think people seem to get diminishing returns with decades of doing TM/TMSP? It's all so exciting during the first few years of TM, the first 2 advanced techniques, the first few years of the TMSP.I just can't buy the argument that one's working on deeper and more extensive stress/karma. If that were so, every few years, at least, there's be a lurch forward. But this isn't. Indeed people I know who come to IA for a few months every year and go back home actually find their quality of life degrading. And yes, they pay $25-$50/EUR 25/EUR 50 to get frequent checkings. I don't know why this is but it seems to be a fact, or at least something that many long-term TMers and ex-TMers experience. I agree with you that such experiences can't be fitted into the orthodox TM explanation of stress release, because, as you say, there is no lurch forward every so often, which is what one would expect if stress was really being released. As for the IA course, a surprising number attend simply because they need the money to survive, small amount though it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last Breakfast for Catholocism
Yifu: I'm hoping eventually to participate in the dismantling of Catholocism. Basically, that religion is an Abomination... Don't you just hate those Roman Catholics! I'm predicting that Christianity will be engulfed within Sanatana Dharma... Don't you just love that caste system!
[FairfieldLife] Kundalini and Shiva's Cobra
Shiva-The ONE spiritual Self (Silence) of ALL. Shakti-The dynamism of Creation (Mother Nature). Brahm-The pure 'unified' Wholeness or Sattva (Silence AND dynamism) called Brahm. Kundalini-the power of Shakti (Mother Nature) residing in the human physiology, the awakening of which bequeaths immortal bliss. Kundalini is Sanskrit for snake or serpent power, so-called because it is believed to lie like a serpent in the root chakra at the base of the spine. The power of kundalini is said to be enormous and has been described as liquid fire and liquid light. (wiki) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HHkXoH97r0feature=feedlik
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last Breakfast for Catholocism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: I'm hoping eventually to participate in the dismantling of Catholicism. Basically, that religion is an Abomination. A new version will be established: Buddhist Christianity. Jesus will be worshiped as a Yidam; with an end to the dualistic Trinity worship. ... OM-TAT-SAT is the Hindu (Sanatana Dharma) version of the trinity. In Catholicism the Father is the SAT (Absolute Truth), the Son is the TAT (the pure reflection of the Father-Brahm) and the Holy Ghost is Mother Nature or the Pranava OM, the sound vibration that is the foundation of the VED and all creation. True, actually, that Christianity has it's foundation in the Sanatana Dharma (Eternal Religion of the Vedas) which forms the main trunk of Religion (eternal truth). The appearance of MMY in the West allowed for a full clash of competing and irreconcialable M-fields: non-Gnostic, dualistic Christianity (Trinity as God) and all that that M-field entails in terms of countless sects; vs Buddhism and the Vedic-oriented M-fields. In this regard (imo), Robin in correct; but my prediction probably differs from his: I'm predicting that Christianity will be engulfed within Sanatana Dharma. Feature two antagonistic amoebas, in which the outcome is that one or the other will prevail, with the body of one assimilated into the body of the other. Christianity in it's present form will lose. ... To Pope Benedict - have your last breakfast, cuz your time is a-comin', dude. He has one fear among all things considered (according to him) Buddhism!...and well that he should fear it. ... http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/art/painting_lastbreakfast1200p.jpg by Ron English
[FairfieldLife] OCCUPYFAIL
A business owner near the Occupy Wall Street encampment claims she has been repeatedly harassed and threatened with bodily harm by protesters after she and her employees refused to give in to their outlandish demands... 'Eatery: Occupiers Terrorize Us' http://tinyurl.com/6oh3l2n
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
What's interesting, is the motivation, of dudes, who can't stay away---no matter how humiliated they get. Might be time to give it up to Jesus; not everyone can bowl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbmqEiqMq4Yfeature=related From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:10:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:38 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I wouldn't use the words placebo effect, as Vaj does I'd more specifically call it expectation effect from indoctrination, that expectation creating a style of placebo relaxation response. It really seems to center around belief. If you do not or cannot change the belief system you were imprinted with - and it seems because of the light trance states that TM induces makes such imprints more lasting - you may have to do more than change your belief. You may need to re-imprint yourself with a deeper, more integrated meditative experience to override the earlier imprint. Otherwise, you're stuck with what you got. And slowly over time, your brain have been altered to readjust the hardware to what you've been doing, month-to-month, year-to-year. Of course if you also surround yourself with people who echo back the same memes, you become that world - but become effectively trapped in a samsara of your own creation.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
From: grandm...@wordsofwimsey.com To: bjolle...@gmail.com CC: wle...@aol.com, joba...@aol.com, anngr...@aol.com, korchyn...@verizon.net, law...@aol.com, gbhob...@gmail.com, trishcus...@roadrunner.com Sent: 11/8/2011 10:45:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: Unacceptable ... ? I am sick to My stomach!I'm shaking!And she was borne in the USA???I was not but I'm proud to be American!Respect the flag of MY, understend?MY country!Maria -Original Message- From: bjolle...@gmail.com [mailto:bjolle...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 08:30 PM To: 'deenie miethaner', 'Donna', 'Donna', 'Dottie Szczesny', ljdau...@aol.com, 'Bill W', 'Maria Szabo', 'Paul Bicker' Subject: Fw: Unacceptable ... ? From: _LaVern Way_ (mailto:vway...@earthlink.net) Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:20 AM Subject: FW: Fwd: Fw: Unacceptable ... ? Vern Way _vway212@earthlink.net_ (mailto:vway...@earthlink.net) - Original Message - From: To: _ADMCEDITOR@GMAIL.COM_ (mailto:admcedi...@gmail.com) Sent: 11/7/2011 1:08:20 AM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Unacceptable ... ? -Forwarded Message- From: IB Sent: Nov 6, 2011 8:00 PM To: Subject: Fw: Unacceptable ... ? - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:52 PM Subject: FW: Unacceptable ... ? (http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vile-1.jpg) Her pronouncement years ago of being proud for the first time in her adult life of her country PALES in comparison to what she said during a 9-11 commemoration over the weekend. This anti American socialist blathering FOOL has gone WAY too far. There she sat on Barack’s right side as bagpipers played and an honor g uard folded an American Flag. You know how it’s done … with reverence and respect, folded precisely and crisply … honored. It was during that moment that our nations “First Lady” leaned to her husband’s ears and asked the question that should set your TEETH on fire!!! “All of this for a damned flag?” When Barack nodded, she sat back and gave a look of disgust. There is no audio but you can clearly read her lips. HE doesn’t show the least bit of surprise at her question!! See the video by _clicking here!_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2SQUXjxUS8) (http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vile-2.jpg) “All of this for a damned flag?” YES!!! ALL OF THIS FOR A FLAG!!! This woman is beneath contempt and in NO WAY worthy of the title she currently holds!! “All of this for a damned flag?” Michelle Obama has NO IDEA what that “DAMNED FLAG” is or what it stands for … NOT A CLUE!!! That flag … the stars and stripes to her must be nothing more than an old rag … just pieces of cloth sewn together and not worth the consideration of a dust cloth. That flag IS the representation of the GREATEST NATION ON EARTH. That flag flies in honor of those who protect this nation with their lives. It stands as a symbol of freedom and justice in this world. It protects our liberty and our rights. Each star represents an individual state and each stripe one of the 13 original colonies. What irks me is that he nods in agreement to her statement - we need to remember this on election day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last Breakfast for Catholocism
...with an end to the dualistic Trinity worship. wgm4u: OM-TAT-SAT is the Hindu (Sanatana Dharma) version of the trinity. Brahma, Visnu, and Shiva + the caste system. LoL!!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Thanks for following up, Vaj. This topic interests me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:38 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I wouldn't use the words placebo effect, as Vaj does I'd more specifically call it expectation effect from indoctrination, that expectation creating a style of placebo relaxation response. I can buy that description, although I would not limit the result to variants of the relaxation response. I think that expectation based upon indoctrination can lead to some Class-A spiritual experiences. I don't knock the technique, just not recognizing it *as* a technique. I'm just jackpotting ideas around, based on my own experience, and trying to come up with theories based on that experience. Naturally, I can never know what anyone else experienced. I'm perfectly comfortable with any of the effects I felt from performing the puja being attributable to the trained moodmaking I described earlier. Or they might have been the result of some woo woo. Given a choice between the two, these days I tend to take the path of lesser woo. :-) One of the things that this has gotten me thinking about is how we evaluate past experiences from the POV of the present. I had many interesting exper- iences during my time in the TMO. *At the time* I would have rated them on my internal Woo Scale of 1 to 10 as an 8 or 9. Now, in retrospect, I would rate them more like a 3 or 4. The difference is one of perspective changing over time. At the time I had an experience in the past, I would rate it based on comparing it to all experiences I'd had up to that point. What else *could* I base it on? So in comparison to everything I'd experienced up to then, the experience might feel like a 9 on the Woo Scale. It was Big Woo. But looking back at it now, trying to reassess it thirty-plus years on, it feels more like a 4. Lesser Woo. The reason is that in the years between then and now I've had many more experiences, some of which put the earlier experiences in the shade and raised the bar on my internal Woo Scale. What I used to consider a 9 I now consider a 4. I'm sure you get what I'm talking about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OCCUPYFAIL
whoah Willy Tex, You're apparently out of tune with the reality of the OWS message. The business owner who is being harrassed is a greedy individual who deserves to be harrassed. Bodily harm is called for in this situation as well as any situation with any other business owner who does give in to their demands. OWS is a representation of a more enlightened America, and they are going to make it happen, you just wait and see. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: A business owner near the Occupy Wall Street encampment claims she has been repeatedly harassed and threatened with bodily harm by protesters after she and her employees refused to give in to their outlandish demands... 'Eatery: Occupiers Terrorize Us' http://tinyurl.com/6oh3l2n
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Thanks for that - all I can say about the Puja is that it worked. It enabled me to use a mantra that transformed my life completely. Having been an altar boy, I can say that the rituals of Christianity, although practiced widely, can't compare to the soft and powerful transcendence of the Puja. I absolutely loved the safe and serene bliss, silence, and absence of thoughts of that first meditation, enough to chase it for years afterward, looking for the unexpected and unanticipated peace that enveloped me that afternoon, and started me on the beginning of a 35 year journey. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Patrick, I do not deny your experience with the TM puja, but I would suggest another explanatin for it. I wouldn't use the words placebo effect, as Vaj does, but I would certainly call any subjective effect associated with performing the puja an exercise in trained moodmaking. If you think back on it, what could possibly BE more of an exercise in moodmaking than the way we were taught to perform the puja? It (at least as taught on my TTC) was *not* about the mere power of the words and reciting them. We were taught explicitly to (contravening MMY's Don't divide the mind dictum) maintain a constant awareness of the meaning of the words in the puja in our minds while chanting/singing them. We were told endless stories about the personal- ities of the teachers and/or gods and goddesses being invoked by the words of the puja, and taught explicitly to keep a conscious awareness of those meanings in our minds. It was also implied in no uncertain terms that the puja was *supposed* to make you high, to change your state of attention and boost you into a higher one. On my TTC the mind floats on the meaning of the Puja, which happened quite effortlessly after the performing the it hundreds of times. It's not just my hundreds of times that enlivens the Woo Woo-shakti-magic-whatcha-ma-call-it of the Puja, it's the collective performance of TM initiators for many years that enlivens the Puja. Rituals become more powerful over time. Whether it's Dexter collecting blood slides or thousands of priests celebrating the rite of the Holy Eucharist, such rituals evoke a specific quality of energy one plugs into. For me, if I put my attention on it, anything associated with the Puja, a piece of fruit, a flower, a candle, the scent sandalwood, can evoke a feeling of devotion in the heart, a sense of Mother is at Home or the deep comfort one feels enjoying family life. It's an inner smile. Barry will dismiss this as moodmaking of course, but I'd say that when he became an initiator he was simply unable to open his heart to the experience of gratitude and devotion and that's why he's such a sourpuss about TM today. Note to johnt: The Puja has nothing to do with brainwave entrainment. You made that up. Furthermore, studying Bandler and Grinder will never give you any insight into the power of the Puja if you just focus on one individual doing the Puja. Study the years of collective performance of the Puja to enliven the mantras and you might be on to something. I honestly believe that the reverence many TM teachers have for the puja and its magical Woo Woo qualities is based on not being able to tell the difference between a light buzz and a profound shift in one's state of attention. Barry, if you're going to make a distinction implying that a profound shift in one's state of attention is *better* than a light buzz without defining buzz or shift or explaining the difference (as if you have had some such *superior* experience and know the difference) you're just setting up a straw man for the sake of denigrating Patrick's experience of the Puja and being nasty and snide, as usual.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
WLeed3: ...we need to remember this on election day. PARIS - French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a liar in a private conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama that was accidentally broadcast to journalists during last week's G20 summit in Cannes... 'Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a liar' http://tinyurl.com/cc9w45m
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
turquoiseb: The reason is that in the years between then and now I've had many more experiences, some of which put the earlier experiences in the shade and raised the bar on my internal Woo Scale. What I used to consider a 9 I now consider a 4. I'm sure you get what I'm talking about... Yes, I think so: you're thinking you are in CC now, or at least in an enlightened state of 'Woo Woo', right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: OCCUPYFAIL
seekliberation: You're apparently out of tune with the reality of the OWS message. The business owner who is being harrassed is a greedy individual who deserves to be harrassed... Harrass the owner of a bread shop because she doesn't want her bathroom trashed by hooligans? Go figure. Bodily harm is called for in this situation as well as any situation with any other business owner who does give in to their demands. OWS is a representation of a more enlightened America, and they are going to make it happen, you just wait and see. A business owner near the Occupy Wall Street encampment claims she has been repeatedly harassed and threatened with bodily harm by protesters after she and her employees refused to give in to their outlandish demands... 'Eatery: Occupiers Terrorize Us' http://tinyurl.com/6oh3l2n
[FairfieldLife] Re: OCCUPYFAIL
When the crazies come for you, you're on your own. http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/131222/ 'Bloomberg's Broken Windows' http://tinyurl.com/7okgm7x
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Patrick, no need to consider these two failures with coarse nervous systems. They wouldn't feel the puja if it smacked them in the face (and I wish it would). Opinions by one fool who hasn't meditated or done his puja for 40+ years and another who never learned it. Such hubris and BS. Bingo ! Glad you threw in a comment here. I would'nt bother as I see all those havebeens who have opinions on things the haven'nt been doing for 40+ years as completely irrelevant. It is simply bizarre to me why someone who has not done these things for so many years would even care to comment on them. What is the motivation to try and appear an expert, after so many years of not practicing what you preach against? What is the pay-off? It is an odd way to behave.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: PARIS - French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a liar in a private conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama that was accidentally broadcast to journalists during last week's G20 summit in Cannes... 'Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a liar' http://tinyurl.com/cc9w45m I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar, Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation. You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you, Obama replied, according to the French interpreter. This is cool. It's like Sarko is the Judy Stein of the G20 summit, and Obama's the Curtis. :-) Personally I commend Sarko on telling it like it is, and commend Obama for doing the same thing in reply. As far as they knew they were just two guys talking, about a third guy whom they both know to be an asshole, but they also know they've gotta keep interacting with him. International politics sounds a lot like FFL. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
This is cool. It's like Sarko is the Judy Stein of the G20 summit, and Obama's the Curtis. :-) Personally I commend Sarko on telling it like it is, and commend Obama for doing the same thing in reply. As far as they knew they were just two guys talking, about a third guy whom they both know to be an asshole... Perfect! Yes, you are the asshole! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: PARIS - French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a liar in a private conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama that was accidentally broadcast to journalists during last week's G20 summit in Cannes... 'Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a liar' http://tinyurl.com/cc9w45m I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar, Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation. You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you, Obama replied, according to the French interpreter. This is cool. It's like Sarko is the Judy Stein of the G20 summit, and Obama's the Curtis. :-) Personally I commend Sarko on telling it like it is, and commend Obama for doing the same thing in reply. As far as they knew they were just two guys talking, about a third guy whom they both know to be an asshole, but they also know they've gotta keep interacting with him. International politics sounds a lot like FFL. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
whynotnow: It is simply bizarre to me why someone who has not done these things for so many years would even care to comment on them... Vaj reminds me of how John Manning used to spam the Mormon news forum, I guess because John at one time was married to a Mormon girl, back in 1970. But, even Manning said Vaj was a liar and had never learned TM! OCD. An obsessive-compulsive disorder is an anxiety disorder in which people have unwanted and repeated thoughts, feelings, ideas, sensations (obsessions), or behaviors that make them feel driven to do something (compulsions). The acts of those who have OCD may appear paranoid and potentially psychotic. However, OCD sufferers generally recognize their obsessions and compulsions as irrational, and may become further distressed by this realization... 'Obsessive-compulsive disorder' http://tinyurl.com/r37s7o
Re: [FairfieldLife] Unacceptable ... ?
On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:30 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar, Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation. You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you, Obama replied, according to the French interpreter. This is cool. It's like Sarko is the Judy Stein of the G20 summit, and Obama's the Curtis. :-) Personally I commend Sarko on telling it like it is, and commend Obama for doing the same thing in reply. As far as they knew they were just two guys talking, about a third guy whom they both know to be an asshole, but they also know they've gotta keep interacting with him. International politics sounds a lot like FFL. :-) The Israelis believe in recycling their old politicians even more than the Repugs do. How many times now has Bibi gotten his chance to actually do something? And blown it every time? The Israeli Nixon. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unacceptable ... ?
This is cool. It's like Sarko is the Judy Stein of the G20 summit, and Obama's the Curtis... Sal Sunshine: The Israelis believe in recycling their old politicians even more than the Repugs do. How many times now has Bibi gotten his chance to actually do something? And blown it every time? The Israeli Nixon. Don't you just love that HAMAS! Apparently you want to admit that the real problem is the racial prejudice of the Europeans and the US President.
[FairfieldLife] How's that 'Hopey-Changey' thing workin' out for ya?
The unemployment rate for males between 25 and 34 years old with high-school diplomas is 14.4%up from 6.1% before the downturn four years ago and far above today's 9% national rate. The picture is even more bleak for slightly younger men: 22.4% for high-school graduates 20 to 24 years old. That's up from 10.4% four years ago... 'Generation Jobless: Young Men Suffer Worst as Economy Staggers' Wall Street Journal: http://tinyurl.com/bqd46lf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
On 11/08/2011 08:30 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliamswillytex@... wrote: PARIS - French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a liar in a private conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama that was accidentally broadcast to journalists during last week's G20 summit in Cannes... 'Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a liar' http://tinyurl.com/cc9w45m I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar, Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation. You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you, Obama replied, according to the French interpreter. This is cool. It's like Sarko is the Judy Stein of the G20 summit, and Obama's the Curtis. :-) Personally I commend Sarko on telling it like it is, and commend Obama for doing the same thing in reply. As far as they knew they were just two guys talking, about a third guy whom they both know to be an asshole, but they also know they've gotta keep interacting with him. International politics sounds a lot like FFL. :-) Benny Nutty Yahoo wants to risk starting WWIII over his little patch of magic land because the magic man in the sky told him to do so.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How's that 'Hopey-Changey' thing workin' out for ya?
On 11/08/2011 08:53 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: The unemployment rate for males between 25 and 34 years old with high-school diplomas is 14.4%—up from 6.1% before the downturn four years ago and far above today's 9% national rate. The picture is even more bleak for slightly younger men: 22.4% for high-school graduates 20 to 24 years old. That's up from 10.4% four years ago... 'Generation Jobless: Young Men Suffer Worst as Economy Staggers' Wall Street Journal: http://tinyurl.com/bqd46lf It's the result of the previous 8 years of the Bush Crime Family and a program of the destruction of the US that began with Ronny Raygun. That's why the Republicons ran jokes for 2008 and will do so again in 2012. They don't want the collapse on their watch. How's that workin' for ya, Bubba? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
As far as they knew they were just two guys talking, about a third guy whom they both know to be an asshole, but they also know they've gotta keep interacting with him. International politics sounds a lot like FFL... Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Benny Nutty Yahoo wants to risk starting WWIII over his little patch of magic land because the magic man in the sky told him to do so. Don't you just hate that Jew, 'Benny Nutty'!
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's that 'Hopey-Changey' thing workin' out for ya?
Bhairitu: It's the result of the previous 8 years of the Bush Crime Family... France has unveiled the toughest austerity measures since World War Two despite the looming danger of a double-dip recession, vowing to slash borrowing by 65bn over the next five years in a last-ditch effort to save the country's AAA rating... 'France cuts frantically as Italy nears debt spiral' The Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/d2ehkak The unemployment rate for males between 25 and 34 years old with high-school diplomas is 14.4%up from 6.1% before the downturn four years ago and far above today's 9% national rate. The picture is even more bleak for slightly younger men: 22.4% for high-school graduates 20 to 24 years old. That's up from 10.4% four years ago... 'Generation Jobless: Young Men Suffer Worst as Economy Staggers' Wall Street Journal: http://tinyurl.com/bqd46lf
[FairfieldLife] Re: OCCUPYFAIL
What a lovely group. They're just like you and me The 99%! 'LA Goons Shut Down Burger King' Gateway Pundit: http://tinyurl.com/7nsl7aw
[FairfieldLife] The Domes Revisited
Vivid and charming! The Domes Revisited A Personal Essay About Meditating in the Golden Domes Fairfield is home to over 2,000 Transcendental Meditation practitioners and Maharishi University of Management. BY SHARALYN PLILER Silence. Many people think of silence as a problem—the awkwardness when conversation grinds to an embarrassing halt, a mother’ssense of trouble when the kids go quiet, the media announcer’s frantic attempt to fill up air time with anything other than nothingness. But as a meditator, I know silence as something altogether different.To call it bliss seems trite, but even as a writer I fail to find an adequate description for that sweet spot inside so still that even breath causes ripples in it, that oasis hidden on the dark side of the moon, that place inside us where we flirt with genesis. Whatever name we give to inner silence, I’ve learned that the best place to find it is in the domes in Fairfield. We didn’t have domes when I learned yogic flying in 1978 on the first MUM student’s course. We’d heard whispers about flying, but I don’t think we really believed it, not even when we saw sheets of foam spread on the pod-house floors. But on that magical summer, almost before we had time to close our eyes, the woman next to me popped up with an astonished “oh!” as if someone had goosed her. Like a pot at the boiling point, the room fairly steamed with intermittent stifled gasps and giggles as more of us experienced that sudden, bubble-like lifting into the air. We learned that the foam was to soften the landing. After the course, we did programs alone. A few months later, a message came that Maharishi wanted everyone to meet in the fieldhouse. It felt like a secret-service mission as we almost tiptoed into that stodgy, dark building, finding the basketball court covered with foam. What an adventure! We seemed less about silence then than noise and exuberance.We were filled with a sense of wonder and daring as we made great leaps and wild sounds like fledgling giants testing their reach. We watched the stock market and world news go up and down, depending upon our numbers. I have never lost my sense of sadness that on the one day we did not do program together, the day of my graduation in 1979 when they took up the foam for commencement, an airplane crashed killing 271 people, the only such accident in months before or after. After graduation, I left Fairfield. While I was gone, Maharishi himself inaugurated the 22,000 square feet (approximately the size of a football field) dome, called the Maharishi Patanjali Hall of Knowledge, in 1980. On returning, the enormity of it, the sheer volume of space from floor to ceiling, reminded me of the mothership in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Tongue-in-groove wood ceiling, central skylights, red carpets, and gold velvet drapes covering more than a hundred arched windows all served to bring new heights to the depths of silence. I felt jealous because it had been built for the men, feeling only somewhat mollified when women got to use it on alternative months. At first, I felt traumatized by the segregation of the sexes. But the oscillation between dome and fieldhouse taught me what no amount of lecturing could have about why segregation was useful. It wasn’t for arbitrary puritanical standards but because we were different. Where the guys had been for a month, it smelled like a locker room. Nice smell, actually, but it had a different energy, a more forceful kind that I began to identify as distinctly masculine as compared to our softer, feminine energy. It left me with a greater appreciation for both sexes and a longing for the completion of the women’s dome, the Bagambhrini Hall of Knowledge, the twin to Patanjali. Looking up at the stars through its open rafters during construction, I was aware that, with every nail and board, history was being made. When we got to fly in it for the first time, in December 1981, it felt like coming home to a new level of silence. The pattern was clear—there was deeper silence in the fieldhouse than alone, more in Patanjali than the fieldhouse, and more for me, as a woman, in the women’s dome. But while inner silence had increased, the outer level had gotten out of hand. Before program, hundreds of us gossiped in loud whispers against a background litany of microphone announcements and security procedures. Noise may not be a barrier to meditation, but during program there was so much coughing, clanking of keys, and rustling clothing that when I had to leave again in 1987, I looked forward to doing program alone. The Power of Flying in a Group But on returning to Fairfield ten years later, it became obvious that the outward silence wasn’t what made the process work. At the Raj, where I stayed when I first arrived, program was obviously deeper. Then, when I moved six miles away, the quality of program dropped. The contrast was
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:58 PM, johnt wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning It's called the placebo effect silly. I thought the placebo effect tended to go away after a few weeks. I've been getting results from the TM puja for 34 years. It stills my mind. I recite it often, for that purpose. BW: Patrick, I do not deny your experience with the TM puja, but I would suggest another explanatin for it. I wouldn't use the words placebo effect, as Vaj does, but I would certainly call any subjective effect associated with performing the puja an exercise in trained moodmaking. MZ: No moodmaking, trained or otherwise, can account for the experience produced by singing the Puja. It is as experiential as drugs. And one can be doing so many Pujas on a given day of initiating that one loses track of space, time, and *any meaning whatsoever*. The Puja, most particularly in the context of teaching Transcendental Meditation, works its effect on one without any capacity to influence or interfere with that effect. One could in effect perform the Puja, and think to oneselfall the while one is singing the Pujathat: this is all shit, this is stupid, this isn't real, what Barry Wright says about the Puja is what is true. And what would be the effect of this arbitrary imposition of meaning upon the Puja? Almost negligible. Obviously Barry Wright's association with Frederick Lenz killed off his objective memories of what it is like to be a TM initiator, and he was, through this surrender to the mystical context of FL, forced (within himself) to become a revisionist when it came to his own personal history. Barry cannot reconcile his experiences with Frederick Lenz and his experiences when he was one of Maharishi's teachers. To accord the Puja any status other than trained moodmaking is to threaten the stability of the point of view that was as involuntarily produced by his intimate association with the wonders and madness of Frederick Lenzand it is this transfer of allegiance which necessitated the elimination of the point of view Barry previously held about the effects of doing the Puja. The real irony here is that Barry's relationship to Rama (Frederick Lenz) is itself an instance of being affected by a metaphysical context (the singularity of Frederick Lenz's mysticism) over which he has no sayonce, that is, he became a devout disciple of Rama. No trained moodmaking *there*. You cannot, then, reconcile inside your consciousnessat least Barry can'tthese two different forms of spirituality. So Barryfor the sake of maintaining his own internal consistency of belief and point of viewhas to re-construe what happened when he performed the Puja and taught Transcendental Meditation. His analysis is so driven by a compulsion to conceive of Maharishi and TM in a certain way, that the absence of objectivity is obvious. All of what Barry says here to refute Patrick is motivated by a certain subjective reaction to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and his continuing allegiance to the experiences he had under the preternatural magic of Frederick Lenz. BW: If you think back on it, what could possibly BE more of an exercise in moodmaking than the way we were taught to perform the puja? It (at least as on my TTC) was *not* about the mere power of the words and reciting them. We were taught explicitly to (contravening MMY's Don't divide the mind dictum) maintain a constant awareness of the meaning of the words in the puja in our minds while chanting/singing them. MZ: Yes, Barry is right here. But I don't know of anyone who taught TMexcept in an ex post facto sensewho was able to conform to this exhortation of Maharishi's. That Maharishi inspired us with this intention, simply had nothing, or almost nothing, to do with what actually happened in that Puja room. To try to make the case that one's experience of performing the Puja was determined by the extent to which one was able to adhere to these instructions from Maharishi, will not go any ways towards explaining what happened in that Puja room when one sang the Puja, and submitted oneself to the mechanical procedure of teaching TM, a process as impersonal and automatic as the experience of doing Transcendental Meditation. If the Puja was trained moodmaking, then so was TM. (It is interesting that Barry invokes the term moodmaking, which is itself a brilliant concept taught to us by Maharishi. I think you run into trouble if you are using, as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
On 11/08/2011 09:15 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: As far as they knew they were just two guys talking, about a third guy whom they both know to be an asshole, but they also know they've gotta keep interacting with him. International politics sounds a lot like FFL... Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Benny Nutty Yahoo wants to risk starting WWIII over his little patch of magic land because the magic man in the sky told him to do so. Don't you just hate that Jew, 'Benny Nutty'! So it's true then that in your last life you were a guard at Auschwitz.
[FairfieldLife] From the Police Blotter this week in the SF Bay Area
San Jose Mercury News Fremont: 5400 block of Roosevelt Place, Thursday. Someone got away with an empty safe and a fake diamond necklace during a residential burglary.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:40 AM, cardemaister wrote: Well, duh! That's rather exactly what according to PJ seems to be the conditio sine qua non of (asaMprajñaata?)-samaadhi (for upaaya-pratyaya-yogi_s): *shraddhaa*-viirya-smRti-samaadhi-prajñaa-puurvaka itareSaam! shraddhA f. faith , trust , confidence , trustfulness , faithfulness , belief in... Of course you'd have to accept that TM was a practice that related to the YS - which it does not. But even if it did, the deeper meaning of shraddha as I understood it was having faith that samadhi was the path and that the lineage from the guru was authentic, thus leading us to samadhi, which is a tool for realization. Since we now know two important things: there still is no evidence of higher states of consciousness in TMers as of 2011 and the sad news that MMY was not from the tradition he claimed, it's kind of irrelevant. You could certainly have the faith that MMY was from the tradition he claimed, but given what we know today, you'd be a fool to believe that. But he did put on a very convincing show. My point being such faith depends on the authenticity of the guru, not his stage presence or persona.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:40 AM, cardemaister wrote: Well, duh! That's rather exactly what according to PJ seems to be the conditio sine qua non of (asaMprajñaata?)-samaadhi (for upaaya-pratyaya-yogi_s): BTW, it's samprajnata NOT asamprajnata.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Benny Nutty Yahoo wants to risk starting WWIII over his little patch of magic land because the magic man in the sky told him to do so. Let's not forget bloody Jesus needs someplace to hold Armageddon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OCCUPYFAIL
And to think Obama encourages these individuals by his passive complicity (including the liberal media). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: What a lovely group. They're just like you and me The 99%! 'LA Goons Shut Down Burger King' Gateway Pundit: http://tinyurl.com/7nsl7aw
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Benny Nutty Yahoo wants to risk starting WWIII over his little patch of magic land because the magic man in the sky told him to do so. Let's not forget bloody Jesus needs someplace to hold Armageddon. We ALL know that the 'magic man' gave that land to the Arabs...come on!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/art/crucifiztion.jpg by Ron English --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Benny Nutty Yahoo wants to risk starting WWIII over his little patch of magic land because the magic man in the sky told him to do so. Let's not forget bloody Jesus needs someplace to hold Armageddon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited
Retirement in Meditation. Actually Fairfield is already like that. It is incredibly easy to live here affordably and well. A lot of people are already doing it. Now the thing that needs to happen is to have the TM-Rajas change that anti-saint policy of theirs so as to not keep old TM'ers out of the group meditation. It is enormously silly to have old TM-movement meditators move and live here only to keep them out of the domes over policy that is un-real. The place is incredibly high-minded except for their anti-saint policy. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip What the TMO aught to consider since so many of us are approaching retirement is a retirement community for different income levels to gather us all together again in one place or a few places. Some of these properties the movement has like the Capitals of the Age of Enlightenment could maintain people on small fixed incomes like SS who could then do extended programs all day long. That might be a good idea, but I don't think that $500/month would be sufficient for any but the most healthy and reclusive to retire on. $500/month PLUS room and board and a group health plan might be another matter... They'll have Social Security, as MDixon says, and many will have pensions and/or income from their own retirement plans. They'll also be on Medicare, so you've got a built-in health plan. If the dwellings were inexpensive to rent or buy, and you had a good group kitchen (preferably under the supervision of an Ayurvedic nutritionist who specializes in geriatrics) and dining area, you wouldn't really need the extra $500/month, although it would always be welcome. Maybe there could be a means test for that. Probably *would* be good to have some modifications in how folks fly, though, plus daily fitness classes.
[FairfieldLife] Austerity measures for Greece AND Italy.
What does that mean?...No more gravy train for the Unions. (I think they've already soaked all of their 'Rich').
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Retirement in Meditation. Actually Fairfield is already like that. It is incredibly easy to live here affordably and well. A lot of people are already doing it. Now the thing that needs to happen is to have the TM-Rajas change that anti-saint policy of theirs so as to not keep old TM'ers out of the group meditation. It is enormously silly to have old TM-movement meditators move and live here only to keep them out of the domes over policy that is un-real. The place is incredibly high-minded except for their anti-saint policy. Saint, schmaint. It's a Do what we say or else policy. You can get away with that shit in a cult in which the authority for the or else is still living, and still considered a viable threat. When you attempt to run the same number on the basis of your own personal power, or on the currency of your cult's current caveat in the spiritual market, different story. Different story. The modern TMO will either make it on its own merits or it won't. The legacy of its past -- imagined or real -- don't mean shit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Responses interleaved below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: If you think back on it, what could possibly BE more of an exercise in moodmaking than the way we were taught to perform the puja? It (at least as taught on my TTC) was *not* about the mere power of the words and reciting them. We were taught explicitly to (contravening MMY's Don't divide the mind dictum) maintain a constant awareness of the meaning of the words in the puja in our minds while chanting/singing them. Agreed, although I would argue that it's pretty common to understand the meaning of words as we say them. :-) We were told endless stories about the personal- ities of the teachers and/or gods and goddesses being invoked by the words of the puja, and taught explicitly to keep a conscious awareness of those meanings in our minds. You were told about deities? I don't recall any of that. My TTC Phase 3 was in the spring of 1977. I think we were more businesslike. No Maharishi on the course, for example. It was also implied in no uncertain terms that the puja was *supposed* to make you high, to change your state of attention and boost you into a higher one. All I recall is my experience, as described in post #294752. [snip] Me, I rarely found there to be any SOC-shifting aspect to performing the puja. I became aware early on that any such feelings were produced *by me*, as a result of whether I indulged in the moodmaking I'd been taught to indulge in or not. Repeat the words without dwelling on the images or meanings I'd been taught to dwell on, and nada...zilch...bupkus. I've noticed a decline in the resulting stillness if I recite the puja without paying attention to it. But heck, I've noticed a decline in everything if I do it without attending to it. On the other hand, I've noticed that being mindful of the feelings of the offerings can enhance the richness of the quietness, rather as the TM-Sidhis do. That one experience goes along with what you're saying. I could just as easily have been reading from the telephone book, for all the change it produced in my state of attention. Well, even reciting the puja absent mindedly produces *some* stilling in me. Add in the mood- making instructions, divide the mind and *expect* there to be a shift in my state of awareness, and I could feel a light buzz. Nothing profound, just a light buzz. The misleading thing about transcending is that it's nothing to shout about. By rights, there would not even be a light buzz. (Careful with the alcohol phrasings or Nabby will dump on you for having beer-soaked consciousness again. :-) So for me, I would not describe the result of the puja as a buzz of any degree. [snip] I fully *understand* the desire to attribute what you feel to something magical or mystical associated with the puja. It's just that, based on my own experience and my own interpretation of the same training we received and performing the same ritual, I don't buy it. I think it's pretty much a classic example of trained moodmaking. Your mileage may vary. Given your explanation, it's odd that I'd stand up for the TM puja when I've fallen away in so many other respects. I don't feel a pull to the TM organization. I don't use a mantra to meditate. The last time I sang the puja with some other 'rus, I did not bow at the end. (The bowing is kind of weird, I'm sure you'll agree.) I appreciate your rap, and I'm responding to express that appreciation. But my explanation is simpler and conforms to the facts before me. Finally, I don't see any of this as being magical or mystical. To me it's pretty simple: We can be centered in our thoughts and feelings or centered in the consciousness that's aware of those thoughts and feelings. Wisdom traditions tend to teach ways to shift one's center to consciousness. Being present is one of the ways to effect the shift, as is the use of mantras that tend to fade away, leaving awareness aware of itself. The puja is another way to effect that shift. It's not magical or mystical. It's a technology, a tool to do some action that would be difficult or impossible without the tool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@... wrote: Responses interleaved below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: If you think back on it, what could possibly BE more of an exercise in moodmaking than the way we were taught to perform the puja? It (at least as taught on my TTC) was *not* about the mere power of the words and reciting them. We were taught explicitly to (contravening MMY's Don't divide the mind dictum) maintain a constant awareness of the meaning of the words in the puja in our minds while chanting/singing them. Agreed, although I would argue that it's pretty common to understand the meaning of words as we say them. :-) I would say that it's common to *project* the meaning of words we speak onto them as we speak them. :-) We were told endless stories about the personal- ities of the teachers and/or gods and goddesses being invoked by the words of the puja, and taught explicitly to keep a conscious awareness of those meanings in our minds. You were told about deities? I don't recall any of that. My TTC Phase 3 was in the spring of 1977. I think we were more businesslike. No Maharishi on the course, for example. It was also implied in no uncertain terms that the puja was *supposed* to make you high, to change your state of attention and boost you into a higher one. All I recall is my experience, as described in post #294752. And, as stated earlier, I do not dispute this. Your experience was your experience. Nothing I can possibly say can impact that. [snip] Me, I rarely found there to be any SOC-shifting aspect to performing the puja. I became aware early on that any such feelings were produced *by me*, as a result of whether I indulged in the moodmaking I'd been taught to indulge in or not. Repeat the words without dwelling on the images or meanings I'd been taught to dwell on, and nada...zilch...bupkus. I've noticed a decline in the resulting stillness if I recite the puja without paying attention to it. But heck, I've noticed a decline in everything if I do it without attending to it. My intuition is that the paying attention to it factor is more worth paying attention to than the TMO accords it. On the other hand, I've noticed that being mindful of the feelings of the offerings can enhance the richness of the quietness, rather as the TM-Sidhis do. That one experience goes along with what you're saying. If, of course, your objective is the quietness. :-) I could just as easily have been reading from the telephone book, for all the change it produced in my state of attention. Well, even reciting the puja absent mindedly produces *some* stilling in me. From my point of view, that could be a real experience or an unreal one, one based on moodmaking and programmed expectation. If I experienced the stillness you speak of, I could attribute it equally to either source. Could you? Add in the mood- making instructions, divide the mind and *expect* there to be a shift in my state of awareness, and I could feel a light buzz. Nothing profound, just a light buzz. The misleading thing about transcending is that it's nothing to shout about. By rights, there would not even be a light buzz. (Careful with the alcohol phrasings or Nabby will dump on you for having beer-soaked consciousness again. :-) So for me, I would not describe the result of the puja as a buzz of any degree. I would. I fully *understand* the desire to attribute what you feel to something magical or mystical associated with the puja. It's just that, based on my own experience and my own interpretation of the same training we received and performing the same ritual, I don't buy it. I think it's pretty much a classic example of trained moodmaking. Your mileage may vary. Given your explanation, it's odd that I'd stand up for the TM puja when I've fallen away in so many other respects. I don't feel a pull to the TM organization. I don't use a mantra to meditate. The last time I sang the puja with some other 'rus, I did not bow at the end. (The bowing is kind of weird, I'm sure you'll agree.) Just a part of the ritual. I appreciate your rap, and I'm responding to express that appreciation. But my explanation is simpler and conforms to the facts before me. Finally, I don't see any of this as being magical or mystical. To me it's pretty simple: We can be centered in our thoughts and feelings or centered in the consciousness that's aware of those thoughts and feelings. Wisdom traditions tend to teach ways to shift one's center to consciousness. Being present is one of the ways to effect the shift, as is the use of mantras that tend to fade away, leaving awareness aware of itself. The puja is another way to effect that shift. It's not magical or mystical. It's a technology, a tool to do some action that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Fighting for truth (was Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 wrote: It is simply bizarre to me why someone who has not done these things for so many years would even care to comment on them. What is the motivation to try and appear an expert, after so many years of not practicing what you preach against? What is the pay-off? It is an odd way to behave. People like to stand up for truth. What's interesting to me is, why? I got to thinking about this question this weekend when I heard the This American Life story about Adrian Schoolcraft, the New York City cop who recorded corruption in his station house. http://schoolcraftjustice.com/ and http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent?act=2] or http://bit.ly/r5SADr Here's a guy who's taking some serious heat for fighting against injustice. Why bother? I think the answer is the same as with any other situation: Sometimes people fight for truth because their artificial, manufactured, ignorance-based worldviews depend on those truths to justify their tenuous existences. And other times people fight for truth because truth is their essence, in the sense that consciousness is our essence and consciousness is true.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:09 AM, turquoiseb wrote: The reason is that in the years between then and now I've had many more experiences, some of which put the earlier experiences in the shade and raised the bar on my internal Woo Scale. What I used to consider a 9 I now consider a 4. I'm sure you get what I'm talking about. Oh yes, definitely. It was a long time before I was able to wrap my head around the fact that TM-style phenomenon were largely mental plane phenomenon. The light mental bliss I thought was so special, was just a mere shadow; the kundalini, mere prana-kundalini and the visions mental mirages. The perspective of time and experience changes everything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Vag: And unless one knows how to defeat mental laxity and excitation at the subtle level, one can never reach the level of complete pacification of afflictive emotional states like aggression or cravings. What Vag is not telling you is that this explanation is just standard Mahayana Buddhist instructions for training in sutra-level meditative concentration (shamata). It is not prescriptive for Mahamudra or Dzogchen. Those instructions are based upon effortlessness, as is the Chinese Zen (Chan) method of silent illumination (Mo-Zhao). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Tom Pall wrote: So why do you think people seem to get diminishing returns with decades of doing TM/TMSP? It's all so exciting during the first few years of TM, the first 2 advanced techniques, the first few years of the TMSP.I just can't buy the argument that one's working on deeper and more extensive stress/karma. If that were so, every few years, at least, there's be a lurch forward. But this isn't. Indeed people I know who come to IA for a few months every year and go back home actually find their quality of life degrading. And yes, they pay $25-$50/EUR 25/EUR 50 to get frequent checkings. There's no real mastery of the mind taking place, as it's too languid of a technique IMO. In traditional mantra meditation as I was taught it, the blank thought-free state, and esp. gaps in breathing were considered a sign that it was time to move onto the next stage, which was a more Patanjalian attentional training. Since an individual is more than a mental continuum, there's more to self-mastery than transcending the coarse mental level and imaging one's achieving samadhi. Without a stable foundation for ones telescope one cannot reliably create a subjective facility with which to experience clearly. The subjective facility never becomes reliable. It's like a bouncing telescope trying to observe the inner sky. Without mental vividness, mental perception is entrained as a fuzz. And unless one knows how to defeat mental laxity and excitation at the subtle level, one can never reach the level of complete pacification of afflictive emotional states like aggression or cravings. Over time this unmastery becomes hardwired. We're stuck. Getting stuck and staying stuck are great advantages for certain classes of gurus - esp. those with extensive and expensive product lines. It becomes like the Matrix: we don't even realize we're seeing a projected reality and we're actually suspended in an enslaving device intended to utilize our bodily or monetary energy.
[FairfieldLife] A Great Success
Begin forwarded message: From: Mayor Ed Malloy emal...@mum.edu Subject: A Great Success Date: November 8, 2011 3:53:11 PM CST To: Dick, dickm...@lisco.com Dear Dick, I’m very happy to tell you that Super Monday was a tremendous success. Our community program attendance totals were: Super Monday 7th morning: 1076 compared with 760 the previous Monday morning. That’s 316 extra! Super Monday 7th evening: 1323 compared with 936 the previous Monday afternoon. That’s 387 extra! Well done everyone! You have demonstrated that when we put our attention on a goal, we can accomplish anything. Thank you for making this day such a resounding achievement. Overall on Super Monday our Super Radiance total (including the Vedic Pandits and special groups) went up to 1814 in the morning, well above the Super Radiance number, and 2076 in the afternoon, well above Maharishi’s target of 2000. For over three decades our Super Radiance Community has been dedicated to keeping the highest numbers of Yogic Flyers in the flying halls to create coherence for the country. This has contributed in many ways to the success of Fairfield, and our continued attention can help lift America out of these challenging times. Please join me in re-committing to bringing fulfillment to this momentous promise. Let’s see if we can all get to program next Monday, the 14th, again, and all the following Mondays, and make every Monday a Super Monday! Of course we would also like everyone to come on all the days in between if you can possibly make it. During these two months when Pandit numbers are reduced it is so important that we all get to group program as many times in a week as we can. I will try my best to live up to that as well. Many thanks and congratulations to the team of volunteers who organized Super Monday, particularly: Einar and Mary Cathryn Olsen, Bob Stone, George Foster, Christine Loyacano, Mary Beschorner, Carol Bemben, Jim Collins, Adam Delfiner, and Raja Hagelin’s Ideal Community Group. On Monday morning Greg Derise told us, “It felt like the old days! As soon as I closed my eyes and began meditating, I felt clear transcendence right away.” This reminder of the deeper experience that happens in a larger group was one of the great achievements of Super Monday. My wife Vicki told me, “I am so inspired when our community responds to a call to uplift collective consciousness and the Domes are full.” From now on let’s try to make every Monday a Super day in the Domes. Sincerely, Jai Guru Dev Ed Malloy Mayor, City of Fairfield
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
To Vaj: ok, you experienced nothing of value from what you thought was TM but wasn't really. And, you prefer Mindfulness and Vipassana. Very good! http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/store/SuperSuppercropped.JPG --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:09 AM, turquoiseb wrote: The reason is that in the years between then and now I've had many more experiences, some of which put the earlier experiences in the shade and raised the bar on my internal Woo Scale. What I used to consider a 9 I now consider a 4. I'm sure you get what I'm talking about. Oh yes, definitely. It was a long time before I was able to wrap my head around the fact that TM-style phenomenon were largely mental plane phenomenon. The light mental bliss I thought was so special, was just a mere shadow; the kundalini, mere prana-kundalini and the visions mental mirages. The perspective of time and experience changes everything.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Yifu wrote: To Vaj: ok, you experienced nothing of value from what you thought was TM but wasn't really. And, you prefer Mindfulness and Vipassana. Very good! It's all good IMO. There's a lot of wonderful people I would've missed if it weren't for TM. And I treasure it as a learning experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OCCUPYFAIL
wgm4u: And to think Obama encourages these individuals by his passive complicity (including the liberal media). BOSTON Three people arrested Thursday night inside the Occupy Boston camp have been charged with dealing crack cocaine... '3 Charged With Dealing Crack; Occupy Boston `Deteriorating' Boston Herald: http://tinyurl.com/cpnm7rc What a lovely group. They're just like you and me The 99%! 'LA Goons Shut Down Burger King' Gateway Pundit: http://tinyurl.com/7nsl7aw
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Unacceptable ... ?
Don't you just hate that Jew, 'Benny Nutty'! Bhairitu: So it's true then that in your last life you were a guard at Auschwitz. So, you hate Jews AND Auschwitz guards!
[FairfieldLife] Pensive Hulk Boy
http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/store/pensive%20hulk%20boy%20-%20SM.JPG by Ron English
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:09 PM, emptybill wrote: Vag: And unless one knows how to defeat mental laxity and excitation at the subtle level, one can never reach the level of complete pacification of afflictive emotional states like aggression or cravings. What Vag is not telling you is that this explanation is just standard Mahayana Buddhist instructions for training in sutra-level meditative concentration (shamata). It is not prescriptive for Mahamudra or Dzogchen. Those instructions are based upon effortlessness, as is the Chinese Zen (Chan) method of silent illumination (Mo-Zhao). Exactly. I approach the topic at it's own level. Very good Billy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Occupy Vedic City [1 Attachment]
http://tinyurl.com/7q528c4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMOcFfauf9Qfeature=fvwrel From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:46:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed followers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHny7QEf7ofeature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:01:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed followers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
I don't get youtube. Who in the hell is Sri Bhagavan...some Vaisnava dualist? http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/store/pop%20marilyn%20mickeysSM.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik From: Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:25:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I don't get youtube. Who in the hell is Sri Bhagavan...some Vaisnava dualist? http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/store/pop%20marilyn%20mickeysSM.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODlmEjZ8UFA From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:18:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money!
[FairfieldLife] Is Cain Pulling a Bill Clinton?
Cain denies any relationship with his accuser. http://news.yahoo.com/presidential-candidate-said-abc-yahoo-interview-doesnt-remember-195233486.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Rationalization? - you sick, lying, crooked Buddhist son of a bitch. Treating sexual thought as natural and controlling it in a morally ethically socially accepted way obviously sounds perverted to you. You would rather want people to pretend they are renunciates like Tibetan Buddhist masters and then abuse every woman you can lay your hand on. I have heard of horror stories from a friend of mine who was a Tibetan Buddhist monk. This sickness and sexual repression only entered on a large scale after Buddhism in India. People obsessed with sex and worshiping renunciates, who the are forced to compromise because of fear of their followers, sick !! Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money!
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Not as far as I know but some of the subsequent practitioners may have. Milton Erickson did call the state of meditation (transcendence) the state of no trance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect Did Erickson and Bandler and Grinder study the effects of TM initiation specifically, i.e., with the initiate hooked up to an EEG machine? If not, then you're just speculatively extrapolating, and not very convincingly. From what I understand, brainwave entrainment has been studied only using very regular sound frequencies, usually machine- generated, as the stimulus. The passing of the mantra from teacher to initiate in TM doesn't involve anything remotely near that regular. That is, if the mantra is even passed at all, rather than the teacher enlivening, or simply calling the student's attention to, a frequency already present in the student's mind. That sounds like what you're suggesting here: which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning. But this doesn't necessarily involve entrainment per se.(*) I'm in total agreement with Wilber, by the way, about the possibility of understanding religious/spiritual experience in either a mythical or a scientific context (the mythical context being a metaphorical version of the scientific one, when we finally figure out what the latter is). MMY offered both kinds of understanding (even if his nonmythical understanding was only quasi-scientific) and obviously enjoyed the mythical one himself. So I'm not at all opposed to the attempt to understand the process of TM in nonmythical terms. I just don't think the entrainment idea is sufficiently developed or studied to be cited as the definitive approach. - (*) My own theory--not anything MMY ever discussed, as far as I'm aware--is that the mantra sounds live at the most subtle levels of the mind as devata, the processes of knowing. When the TM teacher calls the student's attention to one of them, it becomes chhandas, an object of knowledge. When we meditate, entertaining the mantra involves using that process of knowing (the mantra sound as devata) to *know itself* as that object of knowledge (the mantra sound as chhandas). That creates a feedback loop, like when a microphone apparatus picks up its own sound and magnifies it, only in this case it's a *negative* feedback loop, becoming (as it were) smaller and smaller until it extinguishes itself, leaving the mind without any distinctions between Rishi, the Knower; devata, the process of knowing; and chhandas, the object of knowledge. That's obviously a horrendously crude description of a very vague concept, but I think it's at least potentially consistent with both the experience of TM and MMY's formulation of the Rishi/devata/chhandas structure of consciousness. Of course science hasn't identified any such thing as processes of knowing consisting of subtle sound frequencies at the basis of the mind, so this is even more wildly speculative than the entrainment theory. But if I were a neuroscientist, it's an angle I'd want to pursue. Nope. It's not necessarily what *TM* is, either. I don't know where johnt picked up this purported explanation, but I've never encountered it in the TM context. From: johnt johnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
Damn I can't load these videos on my iPhone, I will check 'em out later. On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHny7QEf7ofeature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:01:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed followers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money! Send it to the guy who posted the video.:)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RtXTyfeNAfeature=related From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:05:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money! Send it to the guy who posted the video.:)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvYadad-x5Yfeature=related From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:01:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
Bob, Nice clip. There's a message in there somewhere. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODlmEjZ8UFA From: Vaj vajradhatu@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:18:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money! Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
How can a license be bondage free? You were absolutely correct on that first statement. People like the celibate leader, because they think of Jesus as being celibate and how can God or god be part of procreation? No one wants to think about their mother or father having sex, so I guess when people want someone to look up to, they expect them to be sexless? You are correct with the sexually obsessed followers. lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed followers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
Hahahahahahahahaha. I just wasted a post by using it to type: Hahahahahahahahahahahaha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related  Â
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
I have no clue what his path is. Can you please summarize? On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
