[FairfieldLife] Re: Hans Zimmer - Time

[seventhray1]

Do you recognize the sound track for this?  It is from the movie
Inception.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
wrote:
>
> Nice images in this piece.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuAGGZNfUkU&feature=related
>

[FairfieldLife] Philip Glass - The Poet Acts

[Emily Reyn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Hans Zimmer - Time

[Emily Reyn]

Nice images in this piece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuAGGZNfUkU&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: "On Bullsh*t"

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > "Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their
> beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor
> either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully.
> For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for
> telling the truth in the same way that bullsh*tting tends toThe
> bullsh*tter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the
> authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He
> pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullsh*t is a greater
> enemy of the truth than lies are."--Harry G. Frankfurt, "On Bullsh*t"
> [asterisks added]
> 
> Judy, thank you for respecting FFLife's delicate sensibilities by
> placing a modest fig leaf asterisk on bullsh*t's pooper.

I was actually respecting Yahoo's delicate sensibilities
(or not respecting them, actually, just figuring it would
be safer to cater to them).

> Buck appreciates it.  Point well taken. Media propaganda keeps
> getting worse. Obviously, it's  a huge threat to our democracy.
> I've never seen so much Republican bullsh*t in a primary.  The
> clown car just keeps giving.

Oh, it's just overwhelming. And it really *is* bullsh*it,
as Frankfurt defines it above, not "just" lies.

We've got a couple bullsh*tters on FFL as well. They keep
reminding me of the Limbaugh/Hannity/Glenn Beck axis, as
well as of the candidates themselves.
 [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZeVELKTR37s/ScUd9TsYScI/ACU/XvaOKwyr7\
> h0/S220/foxnews21propaganda.jpg]
> 
> By the way Anglachel is blogging again.
> http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-riverdaughter-says.html

Thanks. I'm going to link to Riverdaughter's post because
it's relevant to the post Xeno made earlier today about
field dependence/independence:

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/sunday-ok-i-think-were-on-to-something-here/

http://tinyurl.com/7xv6r7u

[FairfieldLife] Re: "On Bullsh*t"

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> "Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their
beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor
either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully.
For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for
telling the truth in the same way that bullsh*tting tends toThe
bullsh*tter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the
authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He
pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullsh*t is a greater
enemy of the truth than lies are."--Harry G. Frankfurt, "On Bullsh*t"
[asterisks added]
>

Judy, thank you for respecting FFLife's delicate sensibilities by
placing a modest fig leaf asterisk on bullsh*t's pooper. Buck
appreciates it.  Point well taken. Media propaganda keeps getting worse.
Obviously, it's  a huge threat to our democracy.  I've never seen so
much Republican bullsh*t in a primary.  The clown car just keeps giving.

 
[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZeVELKTR37s/ScUd9TsYScI/ACU/XvaOKwyr7\
h0/S220/foxnews21propaganda.jpg]

By the way Anglachel is blogging again.
http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-riverdaughter-says.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[Emily Reyn]

Alright.  I'll listen to it :)  Thank you for the instruction.  



 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> One difference in our views I think is that I am not espousing >intellectual 
> relativism. I actually do believe that my view of >Maharihi's teaching is 
> more "right" more accurate, better than Buck's.

Emily, are you reading this?  These our threads here?  Spiritual meditators vs 
what.  Kind of like old warriors sparring.  For sport?  We all go back a ways, 
but for someone coming new in to this like you I should share this link with 
you just as context in some of what is going on here.  It's epic. 
Even though this Gita is not Maharishi's translation or commentary, this is 
really well done and told.  I think you should like this as a help in your 
studies to bring you up to speed on transcendental FFL here...

http://www.learner.org/courses/worldlit/gita/watch/

really well done. A half hour and a good overview otherwise.

Best Regards,
-Buck in FF  


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>  > > The world would be the better place!
> 
> First I don't "cavil" you.  I point out your elitist triumphalism as a 
> response to your expressions of it.
> 
> Second, your "better world" involves more people who think as you do.  That 
> is the exact opposite of the world I enjoy just as it is. 
>

Ravi comes to mind. : )

>
 In my "its already a better world" you are happy as the pigs in shit who 
surround your little utopia (I hate to slander one of my favorite animals with 
an unfair and untrue characterization, the big agro-biz farms of Iowa are 
concentration camps for animals as intelligent as dogs, so it should be as 
UNHAPPY as a pig in shit).
> 


> I am happy in the world I have chosen to live in.  My world would not be 
> improved one iota if I got a call from you tomorrow that started with the 
> phrase "hey Curtis old buddy, you were right about everything..."  If you 
> decided to leave your pastoral existence and join me here to find your way 
> outside your spiritual enclave, it wouldn't make a discernible blip on my 
> happiness meter.  Actually looking at it selfishly, I enjoy you where you are 
> writing here as you do.  I like to read different POVs, I already know my own.
> 
> I don't share your desire to have us share thinking styles or conclusions. 
>

As others have found it detrimental to type different. : )

>

On more reflection, in my better world I guess I could do without the weird 
assumptive triumphalism as if you have figured out the ultimate secret of life 
and I have not. But that only wins by a smidgen.  It keeps us from being true 
peers on the planet.
> 
> I am happy to believe that you have found something of value to you and high 
> five you for it.  But I am not willing to assume an inferior position for my 
> choices.  I get it that you think you have found the secret of all life.  
> Good on ya for that.  But I believe it is childish to include that you KNOW 
> beyond all doubt that you have done so.  That surety smacks of immature 
> religious clap trap that is so boringly common on this planet.  Are you 
> really s sure? 

>

I think Ravi liked Buck's perceptions? : )

>

 Like the all the other super religious people who are s freak'n sure that 
they have THE WAY?  I know plenty of religious people who don't take it to this 
obnoxious extreme, and can combine their faith with a little of the 
episemological humility that is my litmus test for people I can relate to.
> 

"The world is my family." : )

>
> So if you want to share a brotherhood of man with me, look me in the eye as 
> an equal with respect for my own choices. 

>

Yes, looking one (  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c  ) in the eye 
does help to have respect to another..sometimes. : )

>
 In my better world 

>

Thought so. : )

>we could hang out on your farm, which would fascinate me, and spend the day 
>with you turning me on to your life with livestock.  I would delight in all 
>the difficulties, the moral dilemmas, the it's so F'ing cold this morningness 
>of it all.  I could really dig your life and you could share that with me.  
>And if you wanted to have a meditation before lunch I would happily join you 
>in that too.
> 
> But if after lunch, after talking to your lovely wife 
>

(wife's recipes.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c  )

>
about her recipes for this and that, if you decided to lecture me on how 
important is is for me to go to the stinky domes and sit there with my eyes 
closed for hours doing what our dead guru flung out into the world in a half 
baked, winging it while getting paid, and making absurd ,bloviated claims about 
it, I would take my rent-a-car back to Cedar Rapids and get on my plane back 
home. 
> 
> Because men should not "should" on each other. 

>

O' Ravi! LOL

> They shouldn't musterbate in each others presence. Men who see each other as 
> equals can still enjoy their own choices as superior for THEMSELVES. 

>


Yes, men as equals. : )


>
 I don't think you should play blues or help me reform arts integrated 
education in our schools.  It is my mission and I would be happy to hear that 
you were doing the same for Iowa schools, but I don't think you SHOULD do it if 
that is not what is your personal passion.
> 
> Perhaps that is the real bottom line for me.  I believe that we should follow 
> what really matters to us.  I loved being in the movement when it was my 
> passion. But it isn't now and other things are.  Is it still your passion?  
> OK, go for it. Perhaps playing by the rules so you could actually get into 
> the domes you love so much would be a start.  But that is up to you.  Perhaps 
> your passion is to be the rebel guy who beats the establishment at its own 
> game and gets to see "saints" (I would rather receive darshan from your 
> livestock veterinarian.)


>
Ba  baaa

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> One difference in our views I think is that I am not espousing >intellectual 
> relativism. I actually do believe that my view of >Maharihi's teaching is 
> more "right" more accurate, better than Buck's.

Emily, are you reading this?  These our threads here?  Spiritual meditators vs 
what.  Kind of like old warriors sparring.  For sport?  We all go back a ways, 
but for someone coming new in to this like you I should share this link with 
you just as context in some of what is going on here.  It's epic.  
Even though this Gita is not Maharishi's translation or commentary, this is 
really well done and told.  I think you should like this as a help in your 
studies to bring you up to speed on transcendental FFL here...

http://www.learner.org/courses/worldlit/gita/watch/

really well done. A half hour and a good overview otherwise.

Best Regards,
-Buck in FF   

[FairfieldLife] "On Bullsh*t"

[authfriend]

"Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs 
concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor either to 
describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully. For this reason, 
telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same 
way that bullsh*tting tends toThe bullsh*tter ignores these demands 
altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, 
and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, 
bullsh*t is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are."--Harry G. Frankfurt, 
"On Bullsh*t" [asterisks added]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[futur.musik]

lol - kitties are amazing! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" 
> wrote:
> >
> > That is it. Very much hanging out!
> 
> 
> Cat yoga
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[futur.musik]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Its funny that we commonly refer to external phenomena as
> > > > 'spiritual experiences', when the really significant spiritual
> > > > experiences take place within.
> > > 
> > > Key point. Trouble is that when you state it like that,
> > > the assumption tends to be that you're saying it's all
> > > cooked up by the mind; or that there are little tiny
> > > divine beings floating around inside your skull.
> > 
> > **Ha-HA! Great image, but I see your point.
> > > 
> > > What's missing, it seems to me, is the idea that the
> > > mind--or one's consciousness--connects up directly with
> > > a nonmaterial realm of existence that's just as real as,
> > > if not more real than, the everyday realm of matter.
> > 
> > **It IS material, just very subtle. The celestial worlds have substance, 
> > just much finer, closer to light.
> 
> How is that detected?  When I see dream images they look as if they have 
> substance, but I don't believe they do.  Is this a belief about them or is 
> there some way they demonstrate materiality?  
> 
**Beats me - that's the closest I can come up with, based on what I see. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > 
> > > Or to put it another way, "inside" in this context
> > > doesn't mean *enclosed*.
> > 
> > **Right.
> > > 
> > > In C.S. Lewis's "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe,"
> > > the kids find a portal to the magical world of Narnia
> > > inside a closet.
> > > 
> > > But if this is the case, there's absolutely no way you
> > > could ever measure or even detect what's beyond the
> > > "portal" with instruments designed to make observations
> > > of the material world, no matter how you refine them.
> > 
> > ** I'm sorry - I was really unclear. What I meant was in the larger context 
> > of liberation, the outer stuff doesn't mean as much as the inner 
> > realization. That's all.
> > > 
> > > It's like dreaming: Everybody accepts that dreaming
> > > is a real phenomenon, that when we sleep we often
> > > experience vivid, sometimes realistic, sometimes
> > > fantastic mental imagery. But there is no way to prove
> > > it. All you can show is that certain patterns on an
> > > EEG are highly correlated to subjective reports of
> > > dreaming. Or that certain regions of the brain light
> > > up.
> > > 
> > > We cannot "eavesdrop" on a dream. We have to take each
> > > other's word for it that we dream, and we only do so
> > > because it's so common.
> > > 
> > > If significant spiritual experience were as common as
> > > dreaming, we'd have a very different perspective on it,
> > > and our science would most likely have taken a very
> > > different direction.
> > 
> > **We'll get there. Like I said earlier, the resolution of our instruments 
> > is there, it is just that the tuning steps are coarse. Also don't know what 
> > to use as a light source, since light photons are too coarse to illuminate 
> > these worlds. Like everything else, I'll wait and see.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" 
wrote:
>
> That is it. Very much hanging out!


Cat yoga

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DMT - The Spirit Molecule - Documentary

[Bhairitu]

On 01/29/2012 11:06 AM, John wrote:
> Sounds like this is the soma mentioned in the vedic literature.
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> I watched this documentary on Netflix last night.  I don't recall it
>> being discussed here before but it is definitely a film many FFL'ers
>> would enjoy.  Interesting thing was at the top of the list of financial
>> donations was Earl Kaplan.
>>
>> http://thespiritmolecule.com/
>>
>> http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/DMT_The_Spirit_Molecule/70209261
>>
>> Also available a number of other places including YouTube.  They list
>> all the VOD links on the web site.

The documentary does a good job of nailing the fact that the 
establishment only wants drugs that enable consumerism and the alert 
work state.  Drugs that promote creatively and expanded consciousness do 
not fit that requirement so they make them illegal.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Its funny that we commonly refer to external phenomena as
> > > 'spiritual experiences', when the really significant spiritual
> > > experiences take place within.
> > 
> > Key point. Trouble is that when you state it like that,
> > the assumption tends to be that you're saying it's all
> > cooked up by the mind; or that there are little tiny
> > divine beings floating around inside your skull.
> 
> **Ha-HA! Great image, but I see your point.
> > 
> > What's missing, it seems to me, is the idea that the
> > mind--or one's consciousness--connects up directly with
> > a nonmaterial realm of existence that's just as real as,
> > if not more real than, the everyday realm of matter.
> 
> **It IS material, just very subtle. The celestial worlds have substance, just 
> much finer, closer to light.

How is that detected?  When I see dream images they look as if they have 
substance, but I don't believe they do.  Is this a belief about them or is 
there some way they demonstrate materiality?  







> > 
> > Or to put it another way, "inside" in this context
> > doesn't mean *enclosed*.
> 
> **Right.
> > 
> > In C.S. Lewis's "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe,"
> > the kids find a portal to the magical world of Narnia
> > inside a closet.
> > 
> > But if this is the case, there's absolutely no way you
> > could ever measure or even detect what's beyond the
> > "portal" with instruments designed to make observations
> > of the material world, no matter how you refine them.
> 
> ** I'm sorry - I was really unclear. What I meant was in the larger context 
> of liberation, the outer stuff doesn't mean as much as the inner realization. 
> That's all.
> > 
> > It's like dreaming: Everybody accepts that dreaming
> > is a real phenomenon, that when we sleep we often
> > experience vivid, sometimes realistic, sometimes
> > fantastic mental imagery. But there is no way to prove
> > it. All you can show is that certain patterns on an
> > EEG are highly correlated to subjective reports of
> > dreaming. Or that certain regions of the brain light
> > up.
> > 
> > We cannot "eavesdrop" on a dream. We have to take each
> > other's word for it that we dream, and we only do so
> > because it's so common.
> > 
> > If significant spiritual experience were as common as
> > dreaming, we'd have a very different perspective on it,
> > and our science would most likely have taken a very
> > different direction.
> 
> **We'll get there. Like I said earlier, the resolution of our instruments is 
> there, it is just that the tuning steps are coarse. Also don't know what to 
> use as a light source, since light photons are too coarse to illuminate these 
> worlds. Like everything else, I'll wait and see.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] For film buffs - Adobe Panel at Sundance

[Bhairitu]

Maybe too technical for some but this is an excellent panel discussion 
sponsored by Adobe on how technology is influencing film making.  
Includes the cinematographer for "Hugo" who used a Canon 7D DLSR for 
some pickup shots.  Moderated by the actor/producer from "District 9".
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/adobe-at-sundance-/how-technology-is-influencing-storytelling-and-film/

Re: [FairfieldLife] 300 Arrested in Oakland Protest

[Bhairitu]

On 01/29/2012 12:42 PM, John wrote:
> Oakland mayor takes a firm action against protesters.  It's inevitable 
> something like this will happen.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/300-arrested-daylong-occupy-oakland-protests-063814656.html

I found it interesting they arrested the KGO radio reporter.  I was 
listening to Karel's show where she was reporting and she said they just 
corralled people and then arrested them.  After her arrest she kept 
showing them her credentials and they told her they didn't recognized 
San Francisco press credentials but eventually a superior officer came 
by and told them that "no, we don't arrest the press", cut the plastic 
band and escorted her out of there (maybe due to a call from big money 
Cumulus).  This protest was pretty much run by anarchists who are 
usually covert ops there to despoil the occupy protests.

The real terrorists are the bankers who by now should have been 
arrested, tried and convicted as the S &L bankers were back in the 
1980s.  Who the hell wants to live in a corporatist society anyway?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[futur.musik]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> >
> > Its funny that we commonly refer to external phenomena as
> > 'spiritual experiences', when the really significant spiritual
> > experiences take place within.
> 
> Key point. Trouble is that when you state it like that,
> the assumption tends to be that you're saying it's all
> cooked up by the mind; or that there are little tiny
> divine beings floating around inside your skull.

**Ha-HA! Great image, but I see your point.
> 
> What's missing, it seems to me, is the idea that the
> mind--or one's consciousness--connects up directly with
> a nonmaterial realm of existence that's just as real as,
> if not more real than, the everyday realm of matter.

**It IS material, just very subtle. The celestial worlds have substance, just 
much finer, closer to light.
> 
> Or to put it another way, "inside" in this context
> doesn't mean *enclosed*.

**Right.
> 
> In C.S. Lewis's "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe,"
> the kids find a portal to the magical world of Narnia
> inside a closet.
> 
> But if this is the case, there's absolutely no way you
> could ever measure or even detect what's beyond the
> "portal" with instruments designed to make observations
> of the material world, no matter how you refine them.

** I'm sorry - I was really unclear. What I meant was in the larger context of 
liberation, the outer stuff doesn't mean as much as the inner realization. 
That's all.
> 
> It's like dreaming: Everybody accepts that dreaming
> is a real phenomenon, that when we sleep we often
> experience vivid, sometimes realistic, sometimes
> fantastic mental imagery. But there is no way to prove
> it. All you can show is that certain patterns on an
> EEG are highly correlated to subjective reports of
> dreaming. Or that certain regions of the brain light
> up.
> 
> We cannot "eavesdrop" on a dream. We have to take each
> other's word for it that we dream, and we only do so
> because it's so common.
> 
> If significant spiritual experience were as common as
> dreaming, we'd have a very different perspective on it,
> and our science would most likely have taken a very
> different direction.

**We'll get there. Like I said earlier, the resolution of our instruments is 
there, it is just that the tuning steps are coarse. Also don't know what to use 
as a light source, since light photons are too coarse to illuminate these 
worlds. Like everything else, I'll wait and see.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
>
> Its funny that we commonly refer to external phenomena as
> 'spiritual experiences', when the really significant spiritual
> experiences take place within.

Key point. Trouble is that when you state it like that,
the assumption tends to be that you're saying it's all
cooked up by the mind; or that there are little tiny
divine beings floating around inside your skull.

What's missing, it seems to me, is the idea that the
mind--or one's consciousness--connects up directly with
a nonmaterial realm of existence that's just as real as,
if not more real than, the everyday realm of matter.

Or to put it another way, "inside" in this context
doesn't mean *enclosed*.

In C.S. Lewis's "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe,"
the kids find a portal to the magical world of Narnia
inside a closet.

But if this is the case, there's absolutely no way you
could ever measure or even detect what's beyond the
"portal" with instruments designed to make observations
of the material world, no matter how you refine them.

It's like dreaming: Everybody accepts that dreaming
is a real phenomenon, that when we sleep we often
experience vivid, sometimes realistic, sometimes
fantasic mental imagery. But there is no way to prove
it. All you can show is that certain patterns on an
EEG are highly correlated to subjective reports of
dreaming. Or that certain regions of the brain light
up.

We cannot "eavesdrop" on a dream. We have to take each
other's word for it that we dream, and we only do so
because it's so common.

If significant spiritual experience were as common as
dreaming, we'd have a very different perspective on it,
and our science would most likely have taken a very
different direction.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[futur.musik]

That is it. Very much hanging out!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
>
> Steve, I'm not cautioning Jim at all, and it would be presumptious of me to 
> do so.
> 
> As far as I know he has never claimed or written about receiving instruction 
> from any celestial being nor has he attempted to proselytize or transmit any 
> guidance. 
> 
> That's not him at all, at least on this forum, which is the only way I know 
> him. That's why I inserted my characterization of his celestial experiences 
> as being more in the way of "hanging out". That's what and how I understand 
> his experiences to be.
> 
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Your visions may or may not give you specific guidance and
> > instructions, I don't know; from what I remember you've characterized
> > your experiences as being more on the level of  blissful "hanging out"
> > with one celestial personality or another. That's all good. That
> > experience, however, is yours alone.
> > >
> > > If you, however, started instructing me on how to be or act based on
> > communications you were receiving from personalities perceptually
> > unknown to me, then I would be in the situation that Aurelius counsels
> > me to avoid.
> > 
> > Marek,
> > I guess you are cautioning Jim, for some reason, about something
> > hypothetical, because nothing Jim said indicated he had a predilection
> > to prescribe behavior to others.
> > Here was his statement.
> > "All true, and the fourth option here is discovering a personal
> > relationship withany one of the gods, not out of a sense of duty, but
> > rather a sense of wonder,
> > expansion, and love".
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[futur.musik]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> >
> > yeah, its nice to just talk about this stuff as just another subject. 
> > 
> > As far as celestial perception, there is no way to prove it or disprove it 
> > wrt current science. Finer instrumentation would help. All the optically 
> > based systems are too crude to sense celestial vision. Not in their 
> > resolution, but in their focusing apparatus, the step values are too gross.
> 
> I don't think that external measurements are the right way to think about how 
> one could prove that you were dealing with something outside your own mind 
> generated perceptions.

** Why not? Seems to me if this stuff could be verified objectively, just as UV 
and IR fields were eventually, that's a far more accurate way for verification, 
than experimenting with various people.

>I can imagine that there could be a series of questions leading to information 
>revealed that you could not have that would work.  I could prove that I am a 
>different entity from you in a series of questions, why not these creatures?

** I suppose so. I have never looked for, or received, any psychic or commonly 
unknown info like that (aka James Van Praagh). I guess it is different with 
each of us. I don't receive speech or thoughts telepathically. It is all sight, 
and I suppose feelings too. So I can describe what I see, though sometimes who 
I am seeing is aware of me and other times, not. Depends on the purpose of the 
look.
> 
> The only examples of people claiming to get information from the other side 
> in some form or other have not been done in controlled settings where known 
> psychological principles are in play.

**I think that is the mistaken belief here, that info is transmitted as 
intelligible speech - not in my case.
> 
> Plus I would like to see an MRI to see what areas of the brain light up 
> during these experiences.  That might answer some questions.

**LOL, you think I am nuts? 
> 
> For example if they found that it was the same area of the brain that 
> generates internal images rather than the external area, would that make a 
> difference in how you thought about this?  What if you knew that whenever a 
> person has the same area affected by stroke, they end up with similar 
> experiences?

**I would want to know a whole lot more about the research. I have the ability 
to look inside my body also, so I would compare what I was seeing with the 
medical results. Due diligence.
> 
> The well documented third man experience I have discussed before gives me 
> pause in assuming that we need to jump to the external existence of these 
> beings first. Our brains not only can generate such experiences, they do 
> under a wide variety of situations that would be outside the spiritual 
> interpretation.

**I can see that from your perspective, and I respect that. To me it is 
completely obvious.
> 
> I guess I am more optimistic that we can go a lot farther then we are toward 
> understanding these experiences than we have so far.  I believe the 
> compelling nature of them causes people who have them to be less interested 
> in outside verification.  And when I had such experiences I would have had no 
> interest in this way of looking at them either, so I do understand.  I am 
> challenging the lack of ability to test this class of experiences, I'm not 
> personally asserting that you should have such tests done.

**Given what I have said above, if you can devise such a test, go for it!:-)
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[marekreavis]

Steve, I'm not cautioning Jim at all, and it would be presumptious of me to do 
so.

As far as I know he has never claimed or written about receiving instruction 
from any celestial being nor has he attempted to proselytize or transmit any 
guidance. 

That's not him at all, at least on this forum, which is the only way I know 
him. That's why I inserted my characterization of his celestial experiences as 
being more in the way of "hanging out". That's what and how I understand his 
experiences to be.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Your visions may or may not give you specific guidance and
> instructions, I don't know; from what I remember you've characterized
> your experiences as being more on the level of  blissful "hanging out"
> with one celestial personality or another. That's all good. That
> experience, however, is yours alone.
> >
> > If you, however, started instructing me on how to be or act based on
> communications you were receiving from personalities perceptually
> unknown to me, then I would be in the situation that Aurelius counsels
> me to avoid.
> 
> Marek,
> I guess you are cautioning Jim, for some reason, about something
> hypothetical, because nothing Jim said indicated he had a predilection
> to prescribe behavior to others.
> Here was his statement.
> "All true, and the fourth option here is discovering a personal
> relationship withany one of the gods, not out of a sense of duty, but
> rather a sense of wonder,
> expansion, and love".

[FairfieldLife] 300 Arrested in Oakland Protest

[John]

Oakland mayor takes a firm action against protesters.  It's inevitable 
something like this will happen.

http://news.yahoo.com/300-arrested-daylong-occupy-oakland-protests-063814656.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Birds

[authfriend]

How amazing. Love it that Juliet didn't want you shining
the light at them. Remington didn't seem to mind, though,
after the fuss he made in the first video.

Please do keep making videos. Really a thrill.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > How are they doing, Raunchy? Can you see the babies yet?
> 
> Funny you should ask. I'd planned to take a video of them today. The only way 
> you can get a good look at them is with a flashlight nicely spotlighting them 
> for a film debut. The baby finches clump together in a little pile of gray 
> fluff so it's hard to tell exactly how many there are, but we think five of 
> the little peepers. So cute. One egg hasn't hatched. We got the male and 
> female mates January 9th, so a clutch of six eggs in just a few short weeks 
> is quite a prolific propagation of the species. It's a good thing we have an 
> aviary we can take the babies to when they get bigger or we'd soon be overrun 
> by birds flying loose in the house and have to deal with a citation tacked to 
> our door for bird hoarding. The little critters grow fast, twice their size 
> since last Wednesday. Their eyes are still closed. I'll take another video 
> when I can get a shot of the parents feeding them.
> http://youtu.be/2ui91qirHSY
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > >
> > > We have two very busy little finches building a nest for two tiny eggs. 
> > > After the eggs hatch and the baby birds are able to feed themselves, we 
> > > have arranged for them to live in a lovely aviary at a residential care 
> > > facility for seniors.
> > > 
> > > Remington and Bell
> > > http://youtu.be/RRLGDXtYf1c
> > > 
> > > Our Zebra Finches, Remington and Bell are new, very protective parents. 
> > > Their eggs hatched today. I hoped the camera could get a look at the 
> > > babies, but Remington would have none of it. In a few more days we'll be 
> > > able to see the little fluff-balls without creating a commotion.
> > > 
> > > Hatched Eggs
> > > http://youtu.be/0AdRhjxlVtQ
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Birds

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> How are they doing, Raunchy? Can you see the babies yet?

Funny you should ask. I'd planned to take a video of them today. The only way 
you can get a good look at them is with a flashlight nicely spotlighting them 
for a film debut. The baby finches clump together in a little pile of gray 
fluff so it's hard to tell exactly how many there are, but we think five of the 
little peepers. So cute. One egg hasn't hatched. We got the male and female 
mates January 9th, so a clutch of six eggs in just a few short weeks is quite a 
prolific propagation of the species. It's a good thing we have an aviary we can 
take the babies to when they get bigger or we'd soon be overrun by birds flying 
loose in the house and have to deal with a citation tacked to our door for bird 
hoarding. The little critters grow fast, twice their size since last Wednesday. 
Their eyes are still closed. I'll take another video when I can get a shot of 
the parents feeding them.
http://youtu.be/2ui91qirHSY

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > We have two very busy little finches building a nest for two tiny eggs. 
> > After the eggs hatch and the baby birds are able to feed themselves, we 
> > have arranged for them to live in a lovely aviary at a residential care 
> > facility for seniors.
> > 
> > Remington and Bell
> > http://youtu.be/RRLGDXtYf1c
> > 
> > Our Zebra Finches, Remington and Bell are new, very protective parents. 
> > Their eggs hatched today. I hoped the camera could get a look at the 
> > babies, but Remington would have none of it. In a few more days we'll be 
> > able to see the little fluff-balls without creating a commotion.
> > 
> > Hatched Eggs
> > http://youtu.be/0AdRhjxlVtQ
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> For example if they found that it was the same area of the brain that 
> generates internal images rather than the external area, would that make a 
> difference in how you thought about this?  What if you knew that whenever a 
> person has the same area affected by stroke, they end up with similar 
> experiences?

Let's say I had a stroke and then started seeing the Empire State
Building form my window (I live in Cornwall, UK). Let's even
suppose that everyone who has just such a stroke also 'sees'
the Empire State Building. Does that imply that the the views of US
tourists in New York are 'internal', and delusional?

Let's say Jim sees an angel and his 'internal brain area' lights
up (are there such areas?). Is that an anomaly for the theory, one
that implies its falsity? Or, as you suppose, evidence for Jim's
seeing 'internal' delusions? How do you decide, without begging the
question? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Science Refuted Materialism?

[John]

There's a Quantum Cosmology Theory which states that the universe started out 
as a quantum wave function.  How does one prove that?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> Rupert Sheldrake (he of "morphic resonance") has a new book
> coming out - the Science Delusion - which is creating some
> interesting discussion.
> 
> First, a review by the philosopher Mary Midgely:
> 
> "The unlucky fact that our current form of mechanistic
> materialism rests on muddled, outdated notions of matter
> isn't often mentioned today. It's a mess that can be ignored
> for everyday scientific purposes, but for our wider thinking
> it is getting very destructive."
> 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/jan/27/science-delusion-rupert-sheldrake-review
> 
> Then in the Guardian again: "It's time for science to move on
> from materialism"
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/28/science-move-away-materialism-sheldrake
> 
> And also there is an interesting article by physicist Lubos
> Motl. I think he could be characterized as saying: A plague
> on both your houses - both materialists, and those who grab
> at Quantum Mechanics for fanciful spiritual and religious
> speculations.
> http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/01/has-science-refuted-materialism.html
> 
> (Motl, brilliant maverick theoretical physicist that he is,
> really could do with a web designer friend).
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: DMT - The Spirit Molecule - Documentary

[John]

Sounds like this is the soma mentioned in the vedic literature.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> I watched this documentary on Netflix last night.  I don't recall it 
> being discussed here before but it is definitely a film many FFL'ers 
> would enjoy.  Interesting thing was at the top of the list of financial 
> donations was Earl Kaplan.
> 
> http://thespiritmolecule.com/
> 
> http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/DMT_The_Spirit_Molecule/70209261
> 
> Also available a number of other places including YouTube.  They list 
> all the VOD links on the web site.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.

[Emily Reyn]

Great footage.  It really shows the fun and freedom of skiing.  The Trikke is 
like having skiing training wheels.  I've never seen one of these.  I would 
have loved for my kids to learn this way.  Where was this?  What a fabulous 
day.  Last year at Whistler, there were a lot of skiers with the GoPro Helmet 
Camera. 



 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:46 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.
 

  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY

My first runs on the Trikke Skki.

Enjoy. 

Edg


 

[FairfieldLife] Midnight Cowboy Endorses Romney

[John]

Of interest is the fact that the Republicans appear to be pushing the idea of 
colony on the Moon and a manned space flight to Mars.  That only means 
immediate jobs for people in the science and high tech industries.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mitt-romney-picks-jon-voight-endorsement-jokes-angelina-192806646.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation

[Sweta Kurtzkova]

I did a few google searches on a few of the people quoted at the end of the 
video.  Turns out that "Deborah Chance" donated to John Hagelin's 1996 
presidential campaign.  

 



 From: Susan 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:25 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Me-Too Levitation
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The video also goes into some details re other "Samana" practices.
> > > > > > http://youtu.be/K78t2-W2jag
> 
> 
> Just watched that video again. Some of them hopers seem
> to stop in the air for a split second. 

I am pretty sure they put the video in slightly slow motion, giving the 
illusion that people are hopping and staying aloft for a longer period of time 
than they really did.  Notice that the hoppers's muscles move slowly, 
ripple-like. That gives the clue that it is slo mo.  Someone doctored the video 
footage.  But I would bet a lot of money that they feel that doctoring the film 
is a saint-like thing to do because it will result in more and more people 
joining the group.

Also, if I hopped
> like that woman at about 9:30, I'd certainly hurt my back
> seriously, given that fairly thin mattress...
> 
> Those people might well be the first "real" levitators
> of modern times!

>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: There are obsessions, and then there are obsessions...

[PaliGap]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2728595.stm

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> This one strikes me as one of the latter, the benevolent
> and slightly wondrous kinds of obsession:
> 
> "I want to build a clock that ticks once a year. The 
> century hand advances once every one hundred years, and 
> the cuckoo comes out on the millennium. I want the cuckoo 
> to come out every millennium for the next 10,000 years. 
> If I hurry I should finish the clock in time to see the 
> cuckoo come out for the first time." 
> — Danny Hillis, The Millennium Clock, Wired Scenarios, 1995
> 
> He got to build it. It's an ongoing project funded by
> Jeff Bezos called the Clock Of The Long Now. 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now
> 
> http://longnow.org/about/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: [Oldies but goldies?] Baltic Sea UFO??

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73SVXSiEE5U

Thanks - I'm a sucker for this kind of stuff!

[FairfieldLife] Has Science Refuted Materialism?

[PaliGap]

Rupert Sheldrake (he of "morphic resonance") has a new book
coming out - the Science Delusion - which is creating some
interesting discussion.

First, a review by the philosopher Mary Midgely:

"The unlucky fact that our current form of mechanistic
materialism rests on muddled, outdated notions of matter
isn't often mentioned today. It's a mess that can be ignored
for everyday scientific purposes, but for our wider thinking
it is getting very destructive."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/jan/27/science-delusion-rupert-sheldrake-review

Then in the Guardian again: "It's time for science to move on
from materialism"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/28/science-move-away-materialism-sheldrake

And also there is an interesting article by physicist Lubos
Motl. I think he could be characterized as saying: A plague
on both your houses - both materialists, and those who grab
at Quantum Mechanics for fanciful spiritual and religious
speculations.
http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/01/has-science-refuted-materialism.html

(Motl, brilliant maverick theoretical physicist that he is,
really could do with a web designer friend).




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to keep Google from tracking your searches

[Bhairitu]

I see the web users made suggestions.  I use email and have Thunderbird 
search FFL messages as they come in and put replies or posts with my 
handle in it to a folder.  Works except for yesterday when there were a 
bunch of posts with the Post Count included. :-D

On 01/29/2012 01:22 AM, merudanda wrote:
> great thank you
>do you  have any suggestion  -in a kind opposite move- [:D]  how i
> personally can track  follow ups and answer to my posting at FFL beside
> time consuming search function at yahoo group?
> thanks in advance and forgive me haven''t answer some of your follow ups
> because of my PC illiteracy(or old age)  [;)]
> BTW
>this software developerWladimir Palant has a nice Ad blocker
> too
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/user/346/
> 
>
> http://adblockplus.org/
>
>
> but you may know that.
> OTOH
>this plugin will/may not help with "Baidu:Having searched for her
> hundreds and thousands of times in the crowd,  suddenly turning back by
> chance, I find her there in the dimmest  candlelight."sneaking away to
> meet our/my love and exchange promises to meet again next time [:D]
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> If you are using Firefox this addon will strip everything but the
> actual
>> URL address on a Google search:
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search-link-fix/
>>
>> I think Google is making a big mistake with this as they will be
>> creating business for alternate search sites.  We probably need an
>> Internet privacy law that forbids such tracking.  They do only because
>> there currently is no such law.
>>
>

[FairfieldLife] DMT - The Spirit Molecule - Documentary

[Bhairitu]

I watched this documentary on Netflix last night.  I don't recall it 
being discussed here before but it is definitely a film many FFL'ers 
would enjoy.  Interesting thing was at the top of the list of financial 
donations was Earl Kaplan.

http://thespiritmolecule.com/

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/DMT_The_Spirit_Molecule/70209261

Also available a number of other places including YouTube.  They list 
all the VOD links on the web site.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[seventhray1]

Nice Rap Curtis.
I've got to wonder if "Buck" really wants to "fly" in the domes.  I get
the feeling that he sort of enjoys that the domes are out of reach. 
Plus, I don't see how you run a farm and be away for a couple hours in
the early morning.  I've always assumed farm chores are early morning,
late afternoon intensive.  And I know this from three or four of my
customers who live  in the country and have horses.
I'm not sure that if you took away his main issue that he would be happy
about it.  It's sort of, for this reason, that I don't take much of what
he says seriously.  But I could be mistaken.  This issues gives him some
"notoriety", if you want to call it that.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
Perhaps playing by the rules so you could actually get into the domes
you love so much would be a start.  But that is up to you.  Perhaps your
passion is to be the rebel guy who beats the establishment at its own
game and gets to see "saints" (I would rather receive darshan from your
livestock veterinarian.) and still go to the domes. Maybe if you get
them to change their minds you will feel the same accomplishment I feel
when I get a bunch of kids to use more figurative language in their
writing by helping them write a blues song.
>
> Perhaps collectivism and individualism is really the basic value in
play here.  But you told me not to use your real name here so I am
dealing with "Buck".  And Buck seems to think that he has found the
secret of life, and I have not.  But Buck doesn't know shit about my
life and the passions that drive my creative life, the fulfillment it
brings me, the lives I affect through my work.
>
> He just wants me to think more like him. Like every other "I have the
secret of life and you don't" provincial perspective midget.  I say,
your loss, I am doing some cool stuff with my life too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Nay, no, that is not true you guys, you cavil me.  Turqb a
CurtisDb you got me wrong.
> > > > We'd be nothing without each other here. I have nothing but
goodwill towards everyone here.
> > > >
> > > > Image two guys between meditation here (a laborer on the one
hand and an intellectual on the other) coming out of Revelations Café
in Fairfield crossing over to Paradiso Cafe arm-in-arm (may be it's even
Buck and Turqb) shouting to themselves, chanting to one another in
brotherly love,
> > > >
> > > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
> > > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > > May we not mutually dispute
> > > > May we not hate any.
> > > >
> > > > The world would be the better place!
> > > >
> > > > -Buck
> > > >
> > >
> > > Of course, this image would mean that Hell had just froze over
considering that Turqb declines ever to come back to be with meditative
Fairfield.   But Om, the image gives hope.   And just seeing it in mind
brings some tears to mine eyes.
> > >
> >
> > Think now just how many grown old sons and daughters of meditation
gone away like Turq and CurtisDb are wandering out there to come back! 
The prodigal children of TM.  If they'd only come home.  They should be
beautiful when they'd come back and could get in to the domes, if they
can.
> >
> >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I was mulling over a few versions of this post myself Barry,
but since you nailed it I can get off with just a:
> > > > >
> > > > > what he said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Favorite line:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > > > > > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You know, the TM Hymn on Negativity
> > > > > > > I should think it would make a nice unified code of
conduct
> > > > > > > as an inclusive guideline for posting on FairfieldLife.
> > > > > > > Particularly for posting negativity here on FFL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We'll miss you. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seriously, dude, what would you call all your endless
> > > > > > posts denouncing Bevan and the Rajas?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Negative" is a RELATIVE concept, not an absolute
> > > > > > one. I'd be willing to bet that any of the people you
> > > > > > rail against would consider you and your "Buck" char-
> > > > > > acter more than a little negative. And, from their
> > > > > > point of view, they'd be correct, because to them
> > > > > > "negative" means anything that criticizes or goes
> > > > > > against what they believe to be true and correct.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I thought that earlier you yourself were making the
> > > > > > point that the injunction to "never entert

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:

> My statements addressing John M. Knapp's allegations &
> accusations
> 

> (Note: Knapp's allegations are currently no longer accessible
> because the CHSCA site was taken down

Carol and I had had a couple of friendly conversations on
FFL when she briefly participated here. I subsequently
received a number of emails from her concerning the
situation with John Knapp, and we corresponded about it.
I have no  firsthand knowledge about any of it except what
Carol has told me and what I read on Knapp's CHSCA (Center
for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse) Web site. This was
a foundation started by Knapp. Here's a brief item about
the center from March 2011 from Examiner.com:

http://www.examiner.com/underground-in-boston/chsca-support-center-launched-for-spiritual-and-cult-abuse

http://tinyurl.com/82qt9ao

The author, Doug Mesner, was a partner with Knapp in
starting the foundation, but he resigned over various
issues between him and Knapp.

The CHCSA apparently replaced Knapp's Family Counseling
Service as his primary professional focus.

(John Knapp was also the founder of the anticult Web site
Trancenet. Initially it focused exclusively on TM, but
then branched out to include other groups. It became
defunct at one point but was revived not long ago with
some of the original content; it's now just an archive.)

I visited the CHSCA Web site several times when it was
still up and can confirm that Knapp did indeed make the
allegations against Carol that she lists at the link above.

At the end of the post she links to above, she lists the
titles of a number of posts Knapp made on his Web site;
again, I can confirm that there were public posts signed
by Knapp with those titles, two of them featuring four-
letter words, on the CHSCA Web site, including the
following (I put in the asterisks):

More Carol Welch, Cyberstalker Crap—featuring Monica Pignotti, PhD
More Carol Welch Fan Mail from Flounders: Monica Pignotti, Ph.F**king.D.
More Carol Welch "Private" Fluff and Bluster from Monica Pignotti, 
Ph.F**king.Unemployed.D.
Monica Pignotti B.F.W. Can NOT Stop Herself. So I Blocked Her.
Monica Pignotti, B.F.W., 120 DAYS Same Subject—and Counting!

Monica Pignotti is a therapist who intervened with Knapp
concerning Carol. Carol has a link in her blog post cited
above to Pignotti's blog, which has numerous posts on the
situation; this one is a good digest:

http://phtherapies.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/update-center-for-healing-spiritual-and-cultic-abuse/

http://tinyurl.com/89q47mw

Also linked to by Carol is this blog post from Shane
Bugbee, who joined and then resigned from the CHSCA
advisory board:

http://shanebugbee.blogspot.com/2011/09/ok-so-i-joined-advisory-board-and-all-i.html?zx=29bf01c1e207bd31

http://tinyurl.com/73rck52

Of particular interest are the comments on the above post.

As I say, I have no firsthand knowledge of any of this,
just what I've read about it. It's a very complicated,
fraught situation with lots of he said/she said. I will
note that Carol's discussion of it is remarkably measured,
especially in contrast to what Knapp had written in his
posts on his own foundation's Web site.

I can't say I was surprised to learn of his apparent
meltdown. As some of you know, I've been suspicious of
Knapp's motivations and integrity ever since he first
started posting to alt.meditation.transcendental back in
the '90s. His posts to FFL on his occasional visits here
did nothing to dispel those suspicions.

So this is just to confirm what I can of Carol's account
in her present post. There's much more about it on the
Web on various blogs; Carol links to some of them in the
post on her own blog, and they link to still others. It
does not seem to be just a tempest in a teapot. The
investigation triggered by Carol's formal complaint may
eventually get to the bottom of it.




 and Knapp also apparently 
> deleted his corresponding FB threads.)
> Currently, I am unable to trust anything Knapp says. I am not the only
> one that has had harmful experiences with Knapp.
> I'm posting this for informational purposes and to note that I think
> Judy is right...at least regarding Knapp's dishonesty.
> 
> It was a rude awakening (to say the least) for me. --- In
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Xeno, I have zero interest in either Andrew Skolnick
> > > or John Knapp, or in discussing what you or anyone
> > > else thinks about them. Neither person has really
> > > been part of my life for many, many years. Don't
> > > you think it would be odd and kind of obsessive for
> > > me to still care about them, much less still care
> > > enough to try to convince people to think of them
> > > the same way I do?
> >
> > How long has it been since MMY was part of your life,
> > again? How

[FairfieldLife] Just some more laughs :-))

[nablusoss1008]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.

[curtisdeltablues]

I would like to flag this post for the moderators because it discusses Edg's 
willy and he claims it is not a "big factor".  Here he is stating the shrinkage 
factor of the cold and references his "chilly willy".  When I come here for 
spiritual upliftment I don't expect to be confronted with an image of Edg's 
turtle headed...

Oh wait, I just saw the video...fantastic!  I don't get how the trikke improves 
on a skiing experience though.  Is it easier for non skiers?  Are you a skier? 
I understand the Trikke appeal better off the slopes.  Perhaps it is great for 
you because you have already developed those specific muscle groups. In that 
case it make sense for a Trikker to dig this over skiing.

Great video, the last part was a trill.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I have ALWAYS been a chilly-willy, but guess what, it's possible to dress 
> warmly and loosely enough that the temperatures are just not that big a 
> factor. 
> 
> Fun -- sheer fun -- overwhelms most other ideation.
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks really fun - I wonder when they will invent room temperature snow 
> > > to go along with it?
> > > 
> > 
> > Jim, wind-burned cheeks, frostbitten fingers and cold toes that tingle when 
> > you warm them up in hot water, not for you? For the less hale and hearty 
> > among us:   
> > http://youtu.be/PlCMDKJ8kbE
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY
> > > > 
> > > > My first runs on the Trikke Skki.
> > > > 
> > > > Enjoy.  
> > > > 
> > > > Edg
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.

[futur.musik]

The high temp here today will be 71 F. Purrfect. :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> >
> > Looks really fun - I wonder when they will invent room temperature snow to 
> > go along with it?
> > 
> 
> Jim, wind-burned cheeks, frostbitten fingers and cold toes that tingle when 
> you warm them up in hot water, not for you? For the less hale and hearty 
> among us:   
> http://youtu.be/PlCMDKJ8kbE
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY
> > > 
> > > My first runs on the Trikke Skki.
> > > 
> > > Enjoy.  
> > > 
> > > Edg
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[curtisdeltablues]

One difference in our views I think is that I am not espousing intellectual 
relativism. I actually do believe that my view of Maharihi's teaching is more 
"right" more accurate, better than Buck's.  What I am advocating is a respect 
for each other personally given that difference.  I can live with him feeling 
the same way about his view I just don't want to be bugged to convert.  I'm 
sure my Muslim friends, in their heart or hearts believe that my godless life 
will lead to perdition ultimately.  But as long as we can keep the topic on how 
to leaven whole wheat flat breads without ending up with coasters the 
consistency of shoe leather, we can enjoy each other's differences.

I remember how interesting it was for me to understand the non evangelical 
nature of Theravada Buddhism when I asked my religiously devoted GF at the time 
if it bothered her that I was an atheist.  She was genuinely puzzled and said 
"how could it matter to me what you believe about God?"  Doing more research I 
realized that it is what you point out, whether or not followers are taught to 
proselytize that makes all the difference.

I have the same problem with multi-level marketing.  It turns casual 
conversations into business opportunities.  I hate living that way.  When I 
find myself in a conversation with a stranger, I want to go the Dale Carnegie 
route and find out what makes them light up in conversation because it is 
talking about something they love.  The last thing I want to do is try to get 
the to love blues or something.  I am looking for something that only they can 
give me and I have to get out of my own way to find it.  I can't assume that 
the most fascinating aspect of this interaction is ME and my preferences!  




   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Good post, Curtis. This may seem like a non-sequitur, but
> it reminds me of a historical tidbit about Japan. There
> is a segment of its history that from a Western POV is
> described in their history books as poor, isolated Japan
> becoming opened to ideas from the West, to its betterment.
> That same period is referred to in Japanese history books
> as "the invasion of the barbarians." 
> 
> Why? Because Japanese society at the time may have been
> many things, but one thing it was above all else was
> tolerant. It was considered a *huge* affront to try to
> convert someone away from their beliefs and convince
> them that yours were superior. Spanish and Portuguese
> explorers, armed with their cadres of Catholic priests,
> arrived on Japan's shores and ignored this sensibility
> completely. Not only did they attempt to "convert the
> heathens," they attempted to do so by force. For the
> Japanese, to conceive of doing this -- or to even want 
> to -- was considered barbaric. I tend to agree with this 
> description.
> 
> In my view, no one on this planet has the market cornered
> on Truth. It's a planet full of individuals with individual
> opinions, none of which are inherently more superior than
> others. The people I get along with understand this, and
> adopt a laissez-faire attitude towards their interactions
> with others. They may believe, and believe firmly, in their
> particular POV or belief system, and present it *as opinion* 
> for friendly discussion, but to feel that this POV or 
> belief system can or should be "debated," or that someone 
> can or should be persuaded to adopt that POV? Barbaric 
> then, barbaric now.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >  > > The world would be the better place!
> > 
> > First I don't "cavil" you.  I point out your elitist triumphalism as a 
> > response to your expressions of it.
> > 
> > Second, your "better world" involves more people who think as you do.  That 
> > is the exact opposite of the world I enjoy just as it is.  In my "its 
> > already a better world" you are happy as the pigs in shit who surround your 
> > little utopia (I hate to slander one of my favorite animals with an unfair 
> > and untrue characterization, the big agro-biz farms of Iowa are 
> > concentration camps for animals as intelligent as dogs, so it should be as 
> > UNHAPPY as a pig in shit).
> > 
> > I am happy in the world I have chosen to live in.  My world would not be 
> > improved one iota if I got a call from you tomorrow that started with the 
> > phrase "hey Curtis old buddy, you were right about everything..."  If you 
> > decided to leave your pastoral existence and join me here to find your way 
> > outside your spiritual enclave, it wouldn't make a discernible blip on my 
> > happiness meter.  Actually looking at it selfishly, I enjoy you where you 
> > are writing here as you do.  I like to read different POVs, I already know 
> > my own.
> > 
> > I don't share your desire to have us share thinking styles or conclusions. 
> > On more reflection, in my better world I guess I could do

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[marekreavis]

Excellent! Thanks for the additional quotations. Quite a guy.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> 
> > Well, he does provide 3 alternatives (and Jim identified a fourth) to deal 
> > with the uncertainties of what guidance to follow in the living of one's 
> > life. But how do you see that as a problem, rather than a sensible solution?
> 
> > If a person has what has been referred to as celestial vision and, 
> > presumably, sees and communicates directly with a god (as they experience 
> > it) and receives guidance that's one thing. But most people don't have 
> > visions so they must rely on their best sense of how to proceed in the 
> > conduct of their lives. Aurelius' advice seems to be very reasonable under 
> > those more common circumstances, wouldn't you agree?
> 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  
> > > > wrote:
> 
> > > > Buck, how do you interpret Aurelius' quote, below, as an atheistic 
> > > > problem?
>  
> > > Marek, I like particularly the way he enumerates and turns the conundrums 
> > > of mind of those who do not know the Unified Field by experience. 
>  
> The Quotation referred to:
> 
> "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not 
> care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you 
> have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to 
> worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have 
> lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
> -- Marcus Aurelius
> 
> IMPERIATOR CAESAR MARCVS AVRELIVS ANTONIVS AVGVSTVS, one of the few Roman 
> emperors that have been considered to be good men, seems to have been 
> enlightened:
> 
> "Constantly regard the universe as one living being, having one substance and 
> one soul; and observe how all things have reference to one perception, the 
> perception of this one living being; and how all things act with one 
> movement; and how all things are the cooperating causes of all things which 
> exist; observe too the continuous spinning of the thread and the contexture 
> of the web."
> 
> "All things are implicated with one another, and the bond is holy; and there 
> is hardly anything unconnected with any other things. For things have been 
> co-ordinated, and they combine to make up the same universe. For there is one 
> universe made up of all things, and one god who pervades all things, and one 
> substance, and one law, and one reason."
> 
> Take heed not to be transformed into a Caesar, not to be dipped in the purple 
> dye, for it does happen. Keep yourself therefore, simple, good, pure, grave, 
> unaffected, the friend of justice, religious, kind, affectionate, strong for 
> your proper work. Wrestle to be the man philosophy wished to make you. 
> Reverence the gods, save men. Life is brief; there is but one harvest of 
> earthly existence, a holy disposition and neighborly acts.
> 
> [Aurelius co-ruled the Roman Empire with Lucius Verus, a job he did not 
> really want but felt it was his duty when compelled to do so, insisting that 
> Verus rule with him.]
> 
> And Buck: the unified field is just a name, it refers not to an object; it is 
> an experience. It does not matter if the words are captitalised or not since 
> this phrase is just a pointer to a reality that cannot be defined in 
> totality. And as for the title of this thread, all are atheists in one way or 
> another because of all the ideas of gods that man has invented, no one 
> believes in them all or thinks them all as true, so one man's god is 
> another's atheism. There are theists and non-theists (a-theism), but the 
> experience of wholeness does not rest in these terms, but these terms 
> represent aspects that we think exist in that whole. When we are in a 
> particularly bad way, we think such terms *are* the whole, the mind 
> identifies with the terms as being what is real, with endless arguments the 
> result.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[turquoiseb]

Good post, Curtis. This may seem like a non-sequitur, but
it reminds me of a historical tidbit about Japan. There
is a segment of its history that from a Western POV is
described in their history books as poor, isolated Japan
becoming opened to ideas from the West, to its betterment.
That same period is referred to in Japanese history books
as "the invasion of the barbarians." 

Why? Because Japanese society at the time may have been
many things, but one thing it was above all else was
tolerant. It was considered a *huge* affront to try to
convert someone away from their beliefs and convince
them that yours were superior. Spanish and Portuguese
explorers, armed with their cadres of Catholic priests,
arrived on Japan's shores and ignored this sensibility
completely. Not only did they attempt to "convert the
heathens," they attempted to do so by force. For the
Japanese, to conceive of doing this -- or to even want 
to -- was considered barbaric. I tend to agree with this 
description.

In my view, no one on this planet has the market cornered
on Truth. It's a planet full of individuals with individual
opinions, none of which are inherently more superior than
others. The people I get along with understand this, and
adopt a laissez-faire attitude towards their interactions
with others. They may believe, and believe firmly, in their
particular POV or belief system, and present it *as opinion* 
for friendly discussion, but to feel that this POV or 
belief system can or should be "debated," or that someone 
can or should be persuaded to adopt that POV? Barbaric 
then, barbaric now.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>  > > The world would be the better place!
> 
> First I don't "cavil" you.  I point out your elitist triumphalism as a 
> response to your expressions of it.
> 
> Second, your "better world" involves more people who think as you do.  That 
> is the exact opposite of the world I enjoy just as it is.  In my "its already 
> a better world" you are happy as the pigs in shit who surround your little 
> utopia (I hate to slander one of my favorite animals with an unfair and 
> untrue characterization, the big agro-biz farms of Iowa are concentration 
> camps for animals as intelligent as dogs, so it should be as UNHAPPY as a pig 
> in shit).
> 
> I am happy in the world I have chosen to live in.  My world would not be 
> improved one iota if I got a call from you tomorrow that started with the 
> phrase "hey Curtis old buddy, you were right about everything..."  If you 
> decided to leave your pastoral existence and join me here to find your way 
> outside your spiritual enclave, it wouldn't make a discernible blip on my 
> happiness meter.  Actually looking at it selfishly, I enjoy you where you are 
> writing here as you do.  I like to read different POVs, I already know my own.
> 
> I don't share your desire to have us share thinking styles or conclusions. On 
> more reflection, in my better world I guess I could do without the weird 
> assumptive triumphalism as if you have figured out the ultimate secret of 
> life and I have not. But that only wins by a smidgen.  It keeps us from being 
> true peers on the planet.
> 
> I am happy to believe that you have found something of value to you and high 
> five you for it.  But I am not willing to assume an inferior position for my 
> choices.  I get it that you think you have found the secret of all life.  
> Good on ya for that.  But I believe it is childish to include that you KNOW 
> beyond all doubt that you have done so.  That surety smacks of immature 
> religious clap trap that is so boringly common on this planet.  Are you 
> really s sure?  Like the all the other super religious people who are 
> s freak'n sure that they have THE WAY?  I know plenty of religious people 
> who don't take it to this obnoxious extreme, and can combine their faith with 
> a little of the epistemological humility that is my litmus test for people I 
> can relate to.
> 
> So if you want to share a brotherhood of man with me, look me in the eye as 
> an equal with respect for my own choices.  In my better world we could hang 
> out on your farm, which would fascinate me, and spend the day with you 
> turning me on to your life with livestock.  I would delight in all the 
> difficulties, the moral dilemmas, the it's so F'ing cold this morningness of 
> it all.  I could really dig your life and you could share that with me.  And 
> if you wanted to have a meditation before lunch I would happily join you in 
> that too.
> 
> But if after lunch, after talking to your lovely wife about her recipes for 
> this and that, if you decided to lecture me on how important is is for me to 
> go to the stinky domes and sit there with my eyes closed for hours doing what 
> our dead guru flung out into the world in a half baked, winging it while 
> getting paid, and making absurd ,bloviated cla

[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:

> Well, he does provide 3 alternatives (and Jim identified a fourth) to deal 
> with the uncertainties of what guidance to follow in the living of one's 
> life. But how do you see that as a problem, rather than a sensible solution?

> If a person has what has been referred to as celestial vision and, 
> presumably, sees and communicates directly with a god (as they experience it) 
> and receives guidance that's one thing. But most people don't have visions so 
> they must rely on their best sense of how to proceed in the conduct of their 
> lives. Aurelius' advice seems to be very reasonable under those more common 
> circumstances, wouldn't you agree?

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:

> > > Buck, how do you interpret Aurelius' quote, below, as an atheistic 
> > > problem?
 
> > Marek, I like particularly the way he enumerates and turns the conundrums 
> > of mind of those who do not know the Unified Field by experience. 
 
The Quotation referred to:

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care 
how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have 
lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship 
them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble 
life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
-- Marcus Aurelius

IMPERIATOR CAESAR MARCVS AVRELIVS ANTONIVS AVGVSTVS, one of the few Roman 
emperors that have been considered to be good men, seems to have been 
enlightened:

"Constantly regard the universe as one living being, having one substance and 
one soul; and observe how all things have reference to one perception, the 
perception of this one living being; and how all things act with one movement; 
and how all things are the cooperating causes of all things which exist; 
observe too the continuous spinning of the thread and the contexture of the 
web."

"All things are implicated with one another, and the bond is holy; and there is 
hardly anything unconnected with any other things. For things have been 
co-ordinated, and they combine to make up the same universe. For there is one 
universe made up of all things, and one god who pervades all things, and one 
substance, and one law, and one reason."

Take heed not to be transformed into a Caesar, not to be dipped in the purple 
dye, for it does happen. Keep yourself therefore, simple, good, pure, grave, 
unaffected, the friend of justice, religious, kind, affectionate, strong for 
your proper work. Wrestle to be the man philosophy wished to make you. 
Reverence the gods, save men. Life is brief; there is but one harvest of 
earthly existence, a holy disposition and neighborly acts.

[Aurelius co-ruled the Roman Empire with Lucius Verus, a job he did not really 
want but felt it was his duty when compelled to do so, insisting that Verus 
rule with him.]

And Buck: the unified field is just a name, it refers not to an object; it is 
an experience. It does not matter if the words are captitalised or not since 
this phrase is just a pointer to a reality that cannot be defined in totality. 
And as for the title of this thread, all are atheists in one way or another 
because of all the ideas of gods that man has invented, no one believes in them 
all or thinks them all as true, so one man's god is another's atheism. There 
are theists and non-theists (a-theism), but the experience of wholeness does 
not rest in these terms, but these terms represent aspects that we think exist 
in that whole. When we are in a particularly bad way, we think such terms *are* 
the whole, the mind identifies with the terms as being what is real, with 
endless arguments the result.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.

[Duveyoung]

I have ALWAYS been a chilly-willy, but guess what, it's possible to dress 
warmly and loosely enough that the temperatures are just not that big a factor. 

Fun -- sheer fun -- overwhelms most other ideation.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> >
> > Looks really fun - I wonder when they will invent room temperature snow to 
> > go along with it?
> > 
> 
> Jim, wind-burned cheeks, frostbitten fingers and cold toes that tingle when 
> you warm them up in hot water, not for you? For the less hale and hearty 
> among us:   
> http://youtu.be/PlCMDKJ8kbE
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY
> > > 
> > > My first runs on the Trikke Skki.
> > > 
> > > Enjoy.  
> > > 
> > > Edg
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[curtisdeltablues]

I can easily imagine us both enjoying that Jim.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
>
> Every time you post something like this Curtis, it makes me want to quietly 
> join the audience during one of your street performances, for some reason I 
> always think around King Street in Alexandria (??), and watch and listen to 
> you play. Then of course I would step forward and schedule permitting, invite 
> you for a beer or three.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >  > > The world would be the better place!
> > 
> > First I don't "cavil" you.  I point out your elitist triumphalism as a 
> > response to your expressions of it.
> > 
> > Second, your "better world" involves more people who think as you do.  That 
> > is the exact opposite of the world I enjoy just as it is.  In my "its 
> > already a better world" you are happy as the pigs in shit who surround your 
> > little utopia (I hate to slander one of my favorite animals with an unfair 
> > and untrue characterization, the big agro-biz farms of Iowa are 
> > concentration camps for animals as intelligent as dogs, so it should be as 
> > UNHAPPY as a pig in shit).
> > 
> > I am happy in the world I have chosen to live in.  My world would not be 
> > improved one iota if I got a call from you tomorrow that started with the 
> > phrase "hey Curtis old buddy, you were right about everything..."  If you 
> > decided to leave your pastoral existence and join me here to find your way 
> > outside your spiritual enclave, it wouldn't make a discernible blip on my 
> > happiness meter.  Actually looking at it selfishly, I enjoy you where you 
> > are writing here as you do.  I like to read different POVs, I already know 
> > my own.
> > 
> > I don't share your desire to have us share thinking styles or conclusions. 
> > On more reflection, in my better world I guess I could do without the weird 
> > assumptive triumphalism as if you have figured out the ultimate secret of 
> > life and I have not. But that only wins by a smidgen.  It keeps us from 
> > being true peers on the planet.
> > 
> > I am happy to believe that you have found something of value to you and 
> > high five you for it.  But I am not willing to assume an inferior position 
> > for my choices.  I get it that you think you have found the secret of all 
> > life.  Good on ya for that.  But I believe it is childish to include that 
> > you KNOW beyond all doubt that you have done so.  That surety smacks of 
> > immature religious clap trap that is so boringly common on this planet.  
> > Are you really s sure?  Like the all the other super religious people 
> > who are s freak'n sure that they have THE WAY?  I know plenty of 
> > religious people who don't take it to this obnoxious extreme, and can 
> > combine their faith with a little of the episemological humility that is my 
> > litmus test for people I can relate to.
> > 
> > So if you want to share a brotherhood of man with me, look me in the eye as 
> > an equal with respect for my own choices.  In my better world we could hang 
> > out on your farm, which would fascinate me, and spend the day with you 
> > turning me on to your life with livestock.  I would delight in all the 
> > difficulties, the moral dilemmas, the it's so F'ing cold this morningness 
> > of it all.  I could really dig your life and you could share that with me.  
> > And if you wanted to have a meditation before lunch I would happily join 
> > you in that too.
> > 
> > But if after lunch, after talking to your lovely wife about her recipes for 
> > this and that, if you decided to lecture me on how important is is for me 
> > to go to the stinky domes and sit there with my eyes closed for hours doing 
> > what our dead guru flung out into the world in a half baked, winging it 
> > while getting paid, and making absurd ,bloviated claims about it, I would 
> > take my rent-a-car back to Cedar Rapids and get on my plane back home. 
> > 
> > Because men should not "should" on each other.  They shouldn't musterbate 
> > in each others presence. Men who see each other as equals can still enjoy 
> > their own choices as superior for THEMSELVES.  I don't think you should 
> > play blues or help me reform arts integrated education in our schools.  It 
> > is my mission and I would be happy to hear that you were doing the same for 
> > Iowa schools, but I don't think you SHOULD do it if that is not what is 
> > your personal passion.
> > 
> > Perhaps that is the real bottom line for me.  I believe that we should 
> > follow what really matters to us.  I loved being in the movement when it 
> > was my passion. But it isn't now and other things are.  Is it still your 
> > passion?  OK, go for it. Perhaps playing by the rules so you could actually 
> > get into the domes you love so much would be a start.  But that is up to 
> > you.  Perhaps your pas

[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
>
> Looks really fun - I wonder when they will invent room temperature snow to go 
> along with it?
> 

Jim, wind-burned cheeks, frostbitten fingers and cold toes that tingle when you 
warm them up in hot water, not for you? For the less hale and hearty among us:  
 
http://youtu.be/PlCMDKJ8kbE

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY
> > 
> > My first runs on the Trikke Skki.
> > 
> > Enjoy.  
> > 
> > Edg
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[futur.musik]

Every time you post something like this Curtis, it makes me want to quietly 
join the audience during one of your street performances, for some reason I 
always think around King Street in Alexandria (??), and watch and listen to you 
play. Then of course I would step forward and schedule permitting, invite you 
for a beer or three.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>  > > The world would be the better place!
> 
> First I don't "cavil" you.  I point out your elitist triumphalism as a 
> response to your expressions of it.
> 
> Second, your "better world" involves more people who think as you do.  That 
> is the exact opposite of the world I enjoy just as it is.  In my "its already 
> a better world" you are happy as the pigs in shit who surround your little 
> utopia (I hate to slander one of my favorite animals with an unfair and 
> untrue characterization, the big agro-biz farms of Iowa are concentration 
> camps for animals as intelligent as dogs, so it should be as UNHAPPY as a pig 
> in shit).
> 
> I am happy in the world I have chosen to live in.  My world would not be 
> improved one iota if I got a call from you tomorrow that started with the 
> phrase "hey Curtis old buddy, you were right about everything..."  If you 
> decided to leave your pastoral existence and join me here to find your way 
> outside your spiritual enclave, it wouldn't make a discernible blip on my 
> happiness meter.  Actually looking at it selfishly, I enjoy you where you are 
> writing here as you do.  I like to read different POVs, I already know my own.
> 
> I don't share your desire to have us share thinking styles or conclusions. On 
> more reflection, in my better world I guess I could do without the weird 
> assumptive triumphalism as if you have figured out the ultimate secret of 
> life and I have not. But that only wins by a smidgen.  It keeps us from being 
> true peers on the planet.
> 
> I am happy to believe that you have found something of value to you and high 
> five you for it.  But I am not willing to assume an inferior position for my 
> choices.  I get it that you think you have found the secret of all life.  
> Good on ya for that.  But I believe it is childish to include that you KNOW 
> beyond all doubt that you have done so.  That surety smacks of immature 
> religious clap trap that is so boringly common on this planet.  Are you 
> really s sure?  Like the all the other super religious people who are 
> s freak'n sure that they have THE WAY?  I know plenty of religious people 
> who don't take it to this obnoxious extreme, and can combine their faith with 
> a little of the episemological humility that is my litmus test for people I 
> can relate to.
> 
> So if you want to share a brotherhood of man with me, look me in the eye as 
> an equal with respect for my own choices.  In my better world we could hang 
> out on your farm, which would fascinate me, and spend the day with you 
> turning me on to your life with livestock.  I would delight in all the 
> difficulties, the moral dilemmas, the it's so F'ing cold this morningness of 
> it all.  I could really dig your life and you could share that with me.  And 
> if you wanted to have a meditation before lunch I would happily join you in 
> that too.
> 
> But if after lunch, after talking to your lovely wife about her recipes for 
> this and that, if you decided to lecture me on how important is is for me to 
> go to the stinky domes and sit there with my eyes closed for hours doing what 
> our dead guru flung out into the world in a half baked, winging it while 
> getting paid, and making absurd ,bloviated claims about it, I would take my 
> rent-a-car back to Cedar Rapids and get on my plane back home. 
> 
> Because men should not "should" on each other.  They shouldn't musterbate in 
> each others presence. Men who see each other as equals can still enjoy their 
> own choices as superior for THEMSELVES.  I don't think you should play blues 
> or help me reform arts integrated education in our schools.  It is my mission 
> and I would be happy to hear that you were doing the same for Iowa schools, 
> but I don't think you SHOULD do it if that is not what is your personal 
> passion.
> 
> Perhaps that is the real bottom line for me.  I believe that we should follow 
> what really matters to us.  I loved being in the movement when it was my 
> passion. But it isn't now and other things are.  Is it still your passion?  
> OK, go for it. Perhaps playing by the rules so you could actually get into 
> the domes you love so much would be a start.  But that is up to you.  Perhaps 
> your passion is to be the rebel guy who beats the establishment at its own 
> game and gets to see "saints" (I would rather receive darshan from your 
> livestock veterinarian.) and still go to the domes. Maybe if you get them to 
> change their minds you will feel the same accompl

[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h. -- earlier practice on the same trail

[Duveyoung]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jXxv8U5BI

Here's another video that shows my buddy Ron carving downhill ahead of me 
during my first practice runs on this particular trail.  This should answer all 
the questions about the Skki's agility.

I'm told by seasoned snowboarders and regular-ski skiers that this machine 
gives them more control and higher speeds.  Skkiers are doing double black 
diamonds -- no problemo.

If I had been as obsessed out of the chute by TM as I am about this machine 
from the get-go, I'd be running the movement.

Edg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY
> 
> My first runs on the Trikke Skki.
> 
> Enjoy.  
> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
 > > The world would be the better place!

First I don't "cavil" you.  I point out your elitist triumphalism as a response 
to your expressions of it.

Second, your "better world" involves more people who think as you do.  That is 
the exact opposite of the world I enjoy just as it is.  In my "its already a 
better world" you are happy as the pigs in shit who surround your little utopia 
(I hate to slander one of my favorite animals with an unfair and untrue 
characterization, the big agro-biz farms of Iowa are concentration camps for 
animals as intelligent as dogs, so it should be as UNHAPPY as a pig in shit).

I am happy in the world I have chosen to live in.  My world would not be 
improved one iota if I got a call from you tomorrow that started with the 
phrase "hey Curtis old buddy, you were right about everything..."  If you 
decided to leave your pastoral existence and join me here to find your way 
outside your spiritual enclave, it wouldn't make a discernible blip on my 
happiness meter.  Actually looking at it selfishly, I enjoy you where you are 
writing here as you do.  I like to read different POVs, I already know my own.

I don't share your desire to have us share thinking styles or conclusions. On 
more reflection, in my better world I guess I could do without the weird 
assumptive triumphalism as if you have figured out the ultimate secret of life 
and I have not. But that only wins by a smidgen.  It keeps us from being true 
peers on the planet.

I am happy to believe that you have found something of value to you and high 
five you for it.  But I am not willing to assume an inferior position for my 
choices.  I get it that you think you have found the secret of all life.  Good 
on ya for that.  But I believe it is childish to include that you KNOW beyond 
all doubt that you have done so.  That surety smacks of immature religious clap 
trap that is so boringly common on this planet.  Are you really s sure?  
Like the all the other super religious people who are s freak'n sure that 
they have THE WAY?  I know plenty of religious people who don't take it to this 
obnoxious extreme, and can combine their faith with a little of the 
episemological humility that is my litmus test for people I can relate to.

So if you want to share a brotherhood of man with me, look me in the eye as an 
equal with respect for my own choices.  In my better world we could hang out on 
your farm, which would fascinate me, and spend the day with you turning me on 
to your life with livestock.  I would delight in all the difficulties, the 
moral dilemmas, the it's so F'ing cold this morningness of it all.  I could 
really dig your life and you could share that with me.  And if you wanted to 
have a meditation before lunch I would happily join you in that too.

But if after lunch, after talking to your lovely wife about her recipes for 
this and that, if you decided to lecture me on how important is is for me to go 
to the stinky domes and sit there with my eyes closed for hours doing what our 
dead guru flung out into the world in a half baked, winging it while getting 
paid, and making absurd ,bloviated claims about it, I would take my rent-a-car 
back to Cedar Rapids and get on my plane back home. 

Because men should not "should" on each other.  They shouldn't musterbate in 
each others presence. Men who see each other as equals can still enjoy their 
own choices as superior for THEMSELVES.  I don't think you should play blues or 
help me reform arts integrated education in our schools.  It is my mission and 
I would be happy to hear that you were doing the same for Iowa schools, but I 
don't think you SHOULD do it if that is not what is your personal passion.

Perhaps that is the real bottom line for me.  I believe that we should follow 
what really matters to us.  I loved being in the movement when it was my 
passion. But it isn't now and other things are.  Is it still your passion?  OK, 
go for it. Perhaps playing by the rules so you could actually get into the 
domes you love so much would be a start.  But that is up to you.  Perhaps your 
passion is to be the rebel guy who beats the establishment at its own game and 
gets to see "saints" (I would rather receive darshan from your livestock 
veterinarian.) and still go to the domes. Maybe if you get them to change their 
minds you will feel the same accomplishment I feel when I get a bunch of kids 
to use more figurative language in their writing by helping them write a blues 
song.

Perhaps collectivism and individualism is really the basic value in play here.  
But you told me not to use your real name here so I am dealing with "Buck".  
And Buck seems to think that he has found the secret of life, and I have not.  
But Buck doesn't know shit about my life and the passions that drive my 
creative life, the fulfillment it brings me, the lives I affect through my work.

He just wants me to think more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

[Carol]

I've posted a few times on FFL in the past. In at least one of those
post, I stated that I was supportive of John Knapp. I was his client for
right at two years, from around 7/2008 through 6/2010.
I have since publicly retracted (in March, 2011) my support and
endorsement of John Knapp.
In the past year+, due to my experiences with Knapp, I have from time to
time put in a search on FFL for "knapp." At some point I ran across
these posts from August which mention Knapp. (note: I haven't read this
entire thread.)
Up until now, I had decided to not respond regarding my (changed)
opinion and experiences with Knapp.
I've now decided to post in response to this particular FFL post.  I
choose this particular post because Knapp's (former?) non-profit, the
CHSCA, is mentioned and linked.  If anyone is interested:
My retraction regarding Knapp is posted here:John M. Knapp, LMSW:
Endorsements Retraction

A rendition of a formal complaint is posted here:Complaint Overview

My responses to Knapp's online accusations of me  are posted here: My
statements addressing John M. Knapp's allegations & accusations
  (Note: Knapp's allegations are currently no longer accessible
because the CHSCA site was taken down and Knapp also apparently deleted
his corresponding FB threads.)
Currently, I am unable to trust anything Knapp says. I am not the only
one that has had harmful experiences with Knapp.
I'm posting this for informational purposes and to note that I think
Judy is right...at least regarding Knapp's dishonesty.

It was a rude awakening (to say the least) for me. --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Xeno, I have zero interest in either Andrew Skolnick
> > or John Knapp, or in discussing what you or anyone
> > else thinks about them. Neither person has really
> > been part of my life for many, many years. Don't
> > you think it would be odd and kind of obsessive for
> > me to still care about them, much less still care
> > enough to try to convince people to think of them
> > the same way I do?
>
> How long has it been since MMY was part of your life,
> again? How about Lenz?
>
> > Get it? That's what Judy is doing. She's still so
> > obsessed with these people -- and with me -- that
> > she cannot differentiate things that happened over
> > a decade ago from what happened yesterday.
>
> You're still happening, dude. (In a manner of speaking,
> that is.)
>
> And as I've already pointed out, Skolnick's and Knapp's
> anti-TM crusades are *ongoing*. They're still happening
> as well.
>
>  Her
> > obsession is such that in her mind these people
> > who she once developed a grudge against are still
> > "attacking her" in the present, even though they
> > probably forgot her very existence years ago.
>
> Um, no, not Skolnick, at least not as far as I know,
> not in public anyway (I'd be surprised if he hadn't
> discussed me with Vaj, though, that is if Vaj is
> telling the truth about his relationship with
> Skolnick).
>
> Knapp did attack me two years ago right here on FFL.
>
> But their attacks on me were never the point. The
> point is their integrity or lack of same.
>
> > A measure of how obsessed she really is is that
> > whenever someone says the truth -- that these people
> > have better things to do than remember Judy Stein --
> > she reacts by insisting that they're still as obsessed
> > with her as she *obviously* is with them.
>
> Um, no, they're no more obsessed with me than I am
> with them. There's a difference between *remembering*
> and *being obsessed with*. There's no question they'd
> *remember* me. And if you were to mention me to either
> of them, they'd almost certainly have some very
> negative things to say about me, just as I have some
> very negative things to say about them when they're
> mentioned.
>
> (In Knapp's interactions with me two years ago, the
> last time he paid a visit to FFL, he made it very clear
> he recalls our arguments on alt.m.t; he also remembers
> our interactions on his TM-Free blog several years ago.)
>
>  The only
> > person obsessed, as far as I can tell, is Judy Stein.
> > It's as if these grudges based on a few arguments on
> > a couple of forums that no one reads anyway were so
> > important to her -- and to her image of who she is --
> > that she can't let go of them.
>
> And yet look at you. You constantly bring up MMY and
> go on and on about him. I very rarely *bring up*
> Skolnick and Knapp myself, although I'll write about
> them when someone else does.
>
> As of a year ago, Skolnick was still crusading against
> TM. Knapp is still doing so as well, albeit in the
> context of "cultic abuse" generally. Here's a diary
> he wrote just this past March on his new Web s

[FairfieldLife] Re: How to keep Google from tracking your searches

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> great thank you
>   do you  have any suggestion  -in a kind opposite move- [:D]
> how i personally can track  follow ups and answer to my posting
> at FFL beside time consuming search function at yahoo group?

Don't know how to do it if you get the posts by email,
but on the FFL Web site:

Go to Message List. Right above the first message that's
listed, to the left, you'll see these links:

Messages: Simplify | Expand   (Group by Topic)

Click on Group by Topic, and the messages will be grouped
by thread rather than chronologically. Find a thread that
you've participated in. The list will show the first post
in that thread. Click on that. Then go down to the end
of the post. You'll see a list of all the posts in the
thread. Find a post you've made in that list. All the
replies to it should be underneath it, indented (moved to
the right).

Or you can use Advanced Search to get a list of all your
posts for a particular span of time (say within the past
week). Click on a post you want to check for replies, then
go to the end of the post, as above, and look in the list
for your post (it should be highlighted in a different
color). Again, all the replies to that post should be
underneath it.

At the top of that list below the post, BTW, you can click
on the Expand Messages link to the left, and you'll get a
page reproducing the text of all the posts in the thread in
full.

What I've just written will make a lot more sense when 
you're actually looking at what I've described. You might
want to print this post out, or keep it open in another
tab, to refer to as you try these various options.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.

[marekreavis]

Excellent, Edg! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY
> 
> My first runs on the Trikke Skki.
> 
> Enjoy.  
> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[Buck]

> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Nay, no, that is not true you guys, you cavil me.  Turqb a CurtisDb you 
> > > > got me wrong.
> > > > We'd be nothing without each other here. I have nothing but goodwill 
> > > > towards everyone here.
> > > > 
> > > > Image two guys between meditation here (a laborer on the one hand and 
> > > > an intellectual on the other) coming out of Revelations Café in 
> > > > Fairfield crossing over to Paradiso Cafe arm-in-arm (may be it's even 
> > > > Buck and Turqb) shouting to themselves, chanting to one another in 
> > > > brotherly love,
> > > >  
> > > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
> > > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > > May we not mutually dispute 
> > > > May we not hate any.
> > > >  
> > > > The world would be the better place!
> > > > 
> > > > -Buck
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Of course, this image would mean that Hell had just froze over 
> > > considering that Turqb declines ever to come back to be with 
> > > meditative Fairfield.   But Om, the image gives hope.   And just seeing 
> > > it in mind brings some tears to mine eyes.  
> > >
> > 
> > Think now just how many grown old sons and daughters of meditation gone 
> > away like Turq and CurtisDb are wandering out there to come back!  The 
> > prodigal children of TM.  If they'd only come home.  They should be 
> > beautiful when they'd come back and could get in to the domes, if they can.
> > 
> >
> 
>  So my prayer is always and for whoever they be for the spiritual in 
> everyone, "Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;".  Yes it's a 
> slog and difficult uphill climb for some, and some have even fallen down 
> along the way.  We can't deny that.
> 
>

But I have hope for even better days with larger numbers again coming to 
meditation here, as the principle of The second element bringing Light to the 
subject.  That is my experience with It.  This is our fight here.  To establish 
one code Universal, the physics of natural law in the Unified Field, come live 
it and enjoy It!  Come to meditation.  Don't let any negativity get in the way 
of It.  Cast away your negative thinking and our bickering.  We'll be nothing 
without each other here.  We fight for the universal rights of human kind.  We 
live to have one universal code of experience here on FFL and everywhere. 

With Great Love,
-Buck in FF

 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I was mulling over a few versions of this post myself Barry, but 
> > > > > since you nailed it I can get off with just a:
> > > > > 
> > > > > what he said.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Favorite line:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > > > > > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You know, the TM Hymn on Negativity
> > > > > > > I should think it would make a nice unified code of conduct 
> > > > > > > as an inclusive guideline for posting on FairfieldLife.  
> > > > > > > Particularly for posting negativity here on FFL.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > We'll miss you. :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Seriously, dude, what would you call all your endless
> > > > > > posts denouncing Bevan and the Rajas?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Negative" is a RELATIVE concept, not an absolute 
> > > > > > one. I'd be willing to bet that any of the people you
> > > > > > rail against would consider you and your "Buck" char-
> > > > > > acter more than a little negative. And, from their
> > > > > > point of view, they'd be correct, because to them
> > > > > > "negative" means anything that criticizes or goes
> > > > > > against what they believe to be true and correct. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I thought that earlier you yourself were making the
> > > > > > point that the injunction to "never entertain nega-
> > > > > > tivity and never denounce anyone" was a two-edged
> > > > > > sword that could be (and, as I remember you suggest-
> > > > > > ing, was) used by the TMO to control minds and 
> > > > > > opinions. I agree with that earlier assessment, and
> > > > > > feel that what you propose above is just another
> > > > > > flavor of it. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Who gets to decide what is "negative" and what is not?
> > > > > > You? The mysterious "we" you refer to below? Not. Gonna. 
> > > > > > Happen.  :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > You know, posting on FFL is a privilege, not a right.  We 
> > > > > > > should do more to protect that privilege.  This is a simple 
> > > > > > > guideline that is very easily enforced.  Coulld just revoke 
> > > > > > > someone's FFL membership when they v

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[Buck]

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Nay, no, that is not true you guys, you cavil me.  Turqb a CurtisDb you 
> > > got me wrong.
> > > We'd be nothing without each other here. I have nothing but goodwill 
> > > towards everyone here.
> > > 
> > > Image two guys between meditation here (a laborer on the one hand and an 
> > > intellectual on the other) coming out of Revelations Café in Fairfield 
> > > crossing over to Paradiso Cafe arm-in-arm (may be it's even Buck and 
> > > Turqb) shouting to themselves, chanting to one another in brotherly love,
> > >  
> > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
> > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > May we not mutually dispute 
> > > May we not hate any.
> > >  
> > > The world would be the better place!
> > > 
> > > -Buck
> > >
> > 
> > Of course, this image would mean that Hell had just froze over considering 
> > that Turqb declines ever to come back to be with meditative Fairfield.   
> > But Om, the image gives hope.   And just seeing it in mind brings some 
> > tears to mine eyes.  
> >
> 
> Think now just how many grown old sons and daughters of meditation gone away 
> like Turq and CurtisDb are wandering out there to come back!  The prodigal 
> children of TM.  If they'd only come home.  They should be beautiful when 
> they'd come back and could get in to the domes, if they can.
> 
>

 So my prayer is always and for whoever they be for the spiritual in everyone, 
"Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;".  Yes it's a slog and 
difficult uphill climb for some, and some have even fallen down along the way.  
We can't deny that.


> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was mulling over a few versions of this post myself Barry, but since 
> > > > you nailed it I can get off with just a:
> > > > 
> > > > what he said.
> > > > 
> > > > Favorite line:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > > > > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You know, the TM Hymn on Negativity
> > > > > > I should think it would make a nice unified code of conduct 
> > > > > > as an inclusive guideline for posting on FairfieldLife.  
> > > > > > Particularly for posting negativity here on FFL.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > We'll miss you. :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Seriously, dude, what would you call all your endless
> > > > > posts denouncing Bevan and the Rajas?
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Negative" is a RELATIVE concept, not an absolute 
> > > > > one. I'd be willing to bet that any of the people you
> > > > > rail against would consider you and your "Buck" char-
> > > > > acter more than a little negative. And, from their
> > > > > point of view, they'd be correct, because to them
> > > > > "negative" means anything that criticizes or goes
> > > > > against what they believe to be true and correct. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I thought that earlier you yourself were making the
> > > > > point that the injunction to "never entertain nega-
> > > > > tivity and never denounce anyone" was a two-edged
> > > > > sword that could be (and, as I remember you suggest-
> > > > > ing, was) used by the TMO to control minds and 
> > > > > opinions. I agree with that earlier assessment, and
> > > > > feel that what you propose above is just another
> > > > > flavor of it. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Who gets to decide what is "negative" and what is not?
> > > > > You? The mysterious "we" you refer to below? Not. Gonna. 
> > > > > Happen.  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > > You know, posting on FFL is a privilege, not a right.  We 
> > > > > > should do more to protect that privilege.  This is a simple 
> > > > > > guideline that is very easily enforced.  Coulld just revoke 
> > > > > > someone's FFL membership when they violate it. For being 
> > > > > > negative like that. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > > > > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Have it on the homepage as part of the forum description so 
> > > > > > it comes up every time.  It's a uniform code of justice to 
> > > > > > attend to that we could all use and our moderators enforce. 
> > > > > > We'd all be better off and the list a safer place to be.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I can think of no place on earth that would be a safer
> > > > > place to be with someone of the "Buck" mindset running it.
> > > > > Just sayin'. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > > > > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > > > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > > > > May our study be vigorous and effectiv

[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
wrote:
The Trikke looks safe traversing bunny hills, but I'd stay off moguls
for sure. Skiing is a rush, loved it when I had good knees.
> http://youtu.be/aJSq7WaqH4Q 

Notice how short his skis were in the video.  That helps with moguls,
alot.  For me, it's not my knees, but my stamina, especially on moguls.

Like you, I'm not sure what advantages there are skiing on a trikke.  I
guess because it's a trikke, and likely if you could water ski on a
trikke, then trikke afficianados would find a way to do it.

But as Edg once said, the trikke got him on an exercise program that
saved his life.  I know I could stand to lose these 20 extra pounds (at
least), I'm carrying.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY
> >
> > My first runs on the Trikke Skki.
> >
> > Enjoy.
> >
> > Edg
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> >
> > Nay, no, that is not true you guys, you cavil me.  Turqb a CurtisDb you got 
> > me wrong.
> > We'd be nothing without each other here. I have nothing but goodwill 
> > towards everyone here.
> > 
> > Image two guys between meditation here (a laborer on the one hand and an 
> > intellectual on the other) coming out of Revelations Café in Fairfield 
> > crossing over to Paradiso Cafe arm-in-arm (may be it's even Buck and Turqb) 
> > shouting to themselves, chanting to one another in brotherly love,
> >  
> > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
> > may It nourish us both together;
> > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > May we not mutually dispute 
> > May we not hate any.
> >  
> > The world would be the better place!
> > 
> > -Buck
> >
> 
> Of course, this image would mean that Hell had just froze over considering 
> that Turqb declines ever to come back to be with meditative Fairfield.   But 
> Om, the image gives hope.   And just seeing it in mind brings some tears to 
> mine eyes.  
>

Think now just how many grown old sons and daughters of meditation gone away 
like Turq and CurtisDb are wandering out there to come back!  The prodigal 
children of TM.  If they'd only come home.  They should be beautiful when 
they'd come back and could get in to the domes, if they can.

  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I was mulling over a few versions of this post myself Barry, but since 
> > > you nailed it I can get off with just a:
> > > 
> > > what he said.
> > > 
> > > Favorite line:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > > > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You know, the TM Hymn on Negativity
> > > > > I should think it would make a nice unified code of conduct 
> > > > > as an inclusive guideline for posting on FairfieldLife.  
> > > > > Particularly for posting negativity here on FFL.  
> > > > 
> > > > We'll miss you. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Seriously, dude, what would you call all your endless
> > > > posts denouncing Bevan and the Rajas?
> > > > 
> > > > "Negative" is a RELATIVE concept, not an absolute 
> > > > one. I'd be willing to bet that any of the people you
> > > > rail against would consider you and your "Buck" char-
> > > > acter more than a little negative. And, from their
> > > > point of view, they'd be correct, because to them
> > > > "negative" means anything that criticizes or goes
> > > > against what they believe to be true and correct. 
> > > > 
> > > > I thought that earlier you yourself were making the
> > > > point that the injunction to "never entertain nega-
> > > > tivity and never denounce anyone" was a two-edged
> > > > sword that could be (and, as I remember you suggest-
> > > > ing, was) used by the TMO to control minds and 
> > > > opinions. I agree with that earlier assessment, and
> > > > feel that what you propose above is just another
> > > > flavor of it. 
> > > > 
> > > > Who gets to decide what is "negative" and what is not?
> > > > You? The mysterious "we" you refer to below? Not. Gonna. 
> > > > Happen.  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > > You know, posting on FFL is a privilege, not a right.  We 
> > > > > should do more to protect that privilege.  This is a simple 
> > > > > guideline that is very easily enforced.  Coulld just revoke 
> > > > > someone's FFL membership when they violate it. For being 
> > > > > negative like that. 
> > > > 
> > > > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > > > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > > Have it on the homepage as part of the forum description so 
> > > > > it comes up every time.  It's a uniform code of justice to 
> > > > > attend to that we could all use and our moderators enforce. 
> > > > > We'd all be better off and the list a safer place to be.
> > > > 
> > > > I can think of no place on earth that would be a safer
> > > > place to be with someone of the "Buck" mindset running it.
> > > > Just sayin'. 
> > > > 
> > > > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > > > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > > > May we not mutually dispute 
> > > > > or may we not hate any.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I kind of suspected you'd come up with the more correct translation 
> > > > > > of that hymn. Thanks Cardm,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > > > > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > > > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > > > > May our st

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> Nay, no, that is not true you guys, you cavil me.  Turqb a CurtisDb you got 
> me wrong.
> We'd be nothing without each other here. I have nothing but goodwill towards 
> everyone here.
> 
> Image two guys between meditation here (a laborer on the one hand and an 
> intellectual on the other) coming out of Revelations Café in Fairfield 
> crossing over to Paradiso Cafe arm-in-arm (may be it's even Buck and Turqb) 
> shouting to themselves, chanting to one another in brotherly love,
>  
> Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
> may It nourish us both together;
> May we work conjointly with great energy,
> May our study be vigorous and effective;
> May we not mutually dispute 
> May we not hate any.
>  
> The world would be the better place!
> 
> -Buck
>

Of course, this image would mean that Hell had just froze over considering that 
Turqb declines ever to come back to be with meditative Fairfield.   But Om, the 
image gives hope.   And just seeing it in mind brings some tears to mine eyes.  
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I was mulling over a few versions of this post myself Barry, but since you 
> > nailed it I can get off with just a:
> > 
> > what he said.
> > 
> > Favorite line:
> > 
> > 
> > > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You know, the TM Hymn on Negativity
> > > > I should think it would make a nice unified code of conduct 
> > > > as an inclusive guideline for posting on FairfieldLife.  
> > > > Particularly for posting negativity here on FFL.  
> > > 
> > > We'll miss you. :-)
> > > 
> > > Seriously, dude, what would you call all your endless
> > > posts denouncing Bevan and the Rajas?
> > > 
> > > "Negative" is a RELATIVE concept, not an absolute 
> > > one. I'd be willing to bet that any of the people you
> > > rail against would consider you and your "Buck" char-
> > > acter more than a little negative. And, from their
> > > point of view, they'd be correct, because to them
> > > "negative" means anything that criticizes or goes
> > > against what they believe to be true and correct. 
> > > 
> > > I thought that earlier you yourself were making the
> > > point that the injunction to "never entertain nega-
> > > tivity and never denounce anyone" was a two-edged
> > > sword that could be (and, as I remember you suggest-
> > > ing, was) used by the TMO to control minds and 
> > > opinions. I agree with that earlier assessment, and
> > > feel that what you propose above is just another
> > > flavor of it. 
> > > 
> > > Who gets to decide what is "negative" and what is not?
> > > You? The mysterious "we" you refer to below? Not. Gonna. 
> > > Happen.  :-)
> > > 
> > > > You know, posting on FFL is a privilege, not a right.  We 
> > > > should do more to protect that privilege.  This is a simple 
> > > > guideline that is very easily enforced.  Coulld just revoke 
> > > > someone's FFL membership when they violate it. For being 
> > > > negative like that. 
> > > 
> > > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> > > 
> > > > Have it on the homepage as part of the forum description so 
> > > > it comes up every time.  It's a uniform code of justice to 
> > > > attend to that we could all use and our moderators enforce. 
> > > > We'd all be better off and the list a safer place to be.
> > > 
> > > I can think of no place on earth that would be a safer
> > > place to be with someone of the "Buck" mindset running it.
> > > Just sayin'. 
> > > 
> > > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > > May we not mutually dispute 
> > > > or may we not hate any.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > I kind of suspected you'd come up with the more correct translation 
> > > > > of that hymn. Thanks Cardm,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > > > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > > > May we not mutually dispute
> may we not hate any.
> > > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[Buck]

Nay, no, that is not true you guys, you cavil me.  Turqb a CurtisDb you got me 
wrong.
We'd be nothing without each other here. I have nothing but goodwill towards 
everyone here.

Image two guys between meditation here (a laborer on the one hand and an 
intellectual on the other) coming out of Revelations Café in Fairfield crossing 
over to Paradiso Cafe arm-in-arm (may be it's even Buck and Turqb) shouting to 
themselves, chanting to one another in brotherly love,
 
Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
may It nourish us both together;
May we work conjointly with great energy,
May our study be vigorous and effective;
May we not mutually dispute 
May we not hate any.
 
The world would be the better place!

-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> I was mulling over a few versions of this post myself Barry, but since you 
> nailed it I can get off with just a:
> 
> what he said.
> 
> Favorite line:
> 
> 
> > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > You know, the TM Hymn on Negativity
> > > I should think it would make a nice unified code of conduct 
> > > as an inclusive guideline for posting on FairfieldLife.  
> > > Particularly for posting negativity here on FFL.  
> > 
> > We'll miss you. :-)
> > 
> > Seriously, dude, what would you call all your endless
> > posts denouncing Bevan and the Rajas?
> > 
> > "Negative" is a RELATIVE concept, not an absolute 
> > one. I'd be willing to bet that any of the people you
> > rail against would consider you and your "Buck" char-
> > acter more than a little negative. And, from their
> > point of view, they'd be correct, because to them
> > "negative" means anything that criticizes or goes
> > against what they believe to be true and correct. 
> > 
> > I thought that earlier you yourself were making the
> > point that the injunction to "never entertain nega-
> > tivity and never denounce anyone" was a two-edged
> > sword that could be (and, as I remember you suggest-
> > ing, was) used by the TMO to control minds and 
> > opinions. I agree with that earlier assessment, and
> > feel that what you propose above is just another
> > flavor of it. 
> > 
> > Who gets to decide what is "negative" and what is not?
> > You? The mysterious "we" you refer to below? Not. Gonna. 
> > Happen.  :-)
> > 
> > > You know, posting on FFL is a privilege, not a right.  We 
> > > should do more to protect that privilege.  This is a simple 
> > > guideline that is very easily enforced.  Coulld just revoke 
> > > someone's FFL membership when they violate it. For being 
> > > negative like that. 
> > 
> > Call the media. "Buck" has just suggested that Fairfield
> > Life be run the way the TMO is.  :-)
> > 
> > > Have it on the homepage as part of the forum description so 
> > > it comes up every time.  It's a uniform code of justice to 
> > > attend to that we could all use and our moderators enforce. 
> > > We'd all be better off and the list a safer place to be.
> > 
> > I can think of no place on earth that would be a safer
> > place to be with someone of the "Buck" mindset running it.
> > Just sayin'. 
> > 
> > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > May we not mutually dispute 
> > > or may we not hate any.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I kind of suspected you'd come up with the more correct translation of 
> > > > that hymn. Thanks Cardm,
> > > > 
> > > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > > May we not mutually dispute
may we not hate any.
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Om Jeezus X-mas, they've been chanting it wrong all this time!
> > > > > > > > Well then, no wonder.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > saha nau avatu . 
> > > > > > > > saha nau bhunaktu . 
> > > > > > > > saha viiryaM karavaavahai .
> > > > > > > > tejasvi nau; 
> > > > > > > > adhiitam astu maa vidviSaavahai . 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That's pada-paaTha (word-reading), so to speak.
> > > > > > > The saMhitaa-paaTha goes like this:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  saha naav avatu . saha nau bhunaktu . saha viiryaM kar

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Joy Of Seeking: Is it found in specialness, or ordinariness?

[futur.musik]

It is an entirely natural tendency for the ego to see anything that challenges 
its boundaries as negative. The ego, when it is firmly in charge sees the 
other, the ever present duality, as either above it or below it. Equanimity and 
coexistence are not options here.

In this example, the ego attempts a cloak of equanimity, but such a state wrt 
the ego does not exist in nature. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> > That does not strike me as happiness found as a result of
> > seeking a future goal of some kind. It's a different kind
> > of happiness, the kind found in appreciation of the Now,
> > not in anticipation of a future. *Any kind* of future.
> > 
> > This all got me thinking about FFL,
> 
> "Ah! Found something I can use to put down the folks at
> FFL I don't like."
> 
> 
> > I'm not suggesting that either of these two paths are superior or
> > better,
> 
> Oh, yes, you are. Do you really think nobody can see how
> you describe "seeking" negatively and "ordinariness"
> positively? Give us a break.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Birds

[authfriend]

How are they doing, Raunchy? Can you see the babies yet?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> We have two very busy little finches building a nest for two tiny eggs. After 
> the eggs hatch and the baby birds are able to feed themselves, we have 
> arranged for them to live in a lovely aviary at a residential care facility 
> for seniors.
> 
> Remington and Bell
> http://youtu.be/RRLGDXtYf1c
> 
> Our Zebra Finches, Remington and Bell are new, very protective parents. Their 
> eggs hatched today. I hoped the camera could get a look at the babies, but 
> Remington would have none of it. In a few more days we'll be able to see the 
> little fluff-balls without creating a commotion.
> 
> Hatched Eggs
> http://youtu.be/0AdRhjxlVtQ
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Joy Of Seeking: Is it found in specialness, or ordinariness?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> That does not strike me as happiness found as a result of
> seeking a future goal of some kind. It's a different kind
> of happiness, the kind found in appreciation of the Now,
> not in anticipation of a future. *Any kind* of future.
> 
> This all got me thinking about FFL,

"Ah! Found something I can use to put down the folks at
FFL I don't like."


> I'm not suggesting that either of these two paths are superior or
> better,

Oh, yes, you are. Do you really think nobody can see how
you describe "seeking" negatively and "ordinariness"
positively? Give us a break.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Physics and Consciousness

[Buck]

"Deny thyself and make thy spiritual practice,"
Is the Redeeming great command.
Nature must count its gold but dross,
If thee would gain this heav'nly land. 
> 
> The fearful soul that tires and faints,
> And walks the way of Spirituality no more
> Is but esteemed here almost a saint
> And makes his own destruction sure. 
> >
> > O Unified Field, let not all our hopes be vain,
> > Create our hearts entirely new,
> > Which hypocrites could ne'er attain,
> > Which false apostates never knew.
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Fabulous lecture series:
> > > > 
> > > > We are pleased to announce a special webcast, The Origin of the 
> > > > Universe and the Nature of Consciousness, by Dr. John Hagelin, 
> > > > world-renowned quantum physicist and Director of the Transcendental 
> > > > Meditation program for the United States. During its premiere showing 
> > > > in 2011, more than 7,000 people watched this fascinating and inspiring 
> > > > presentation.
> > > > 
> > > > This talk, specially prepared for practitioners of the Transcendental 
> > > > Meditation® and TM-Sidhi® programs, is now available online until
> > > > February 28.
> > > > 
> > > > Please click here to watch the video: http://www.tm.org/hagelin/
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.tm.org/hagelin/
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This should be required viewing by all here.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > In this talk, Dr. Hagelin takes us on a fascinating tour of the origin of 
> > > the universe, the nature of consciousness, and the vast range of human 
> > > potential.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Is Self liberation specialness, or ordinariness?

[futur.musik]

Thinking about this more, it strikes me as humorous, this charge of specialness 
being levied against anyone making the journey to Self liberation. As I defined 
it before, self liberation is synchronicity with the universe, expanding, vs. 
static, boundaries of self definition. 

Why would synchronicity with the universe be seen as special, and the reverse, 
standing apart from the universe, with all of its mass and stars, galaxies and 
oceans, be seen as ordinary?

Isn't it the reverse? MMY used to call Cosmic Consciousness the normal state of 
life. Once we get out of our own way and learn to live within the natural grace 
of life, we are completely ordinary. We are as ordinary as the sunrise and the 
sunset, the clouds with their fantastic and mystical shapes. We are as ordinary 
as the electrons whizzing about a nucleus, providing atomic substance. We are 
merged with all. 

Is a drop in the ocean special?  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
>
> Your argument makes perfect sense for you. You need not do anything else to 
> challenge yourself, to grow, to get outside of your comfort zone. What you 
> mistake for "the Here and Now" is stasis and old habits. 
> 
> Being spiritually awake has nothing to do with specialness. It is the 
> accomplishment, more or less, of synchronicity with the universe. Anyone can 
> achieve it. Some do, and a small percentage keep trying to reinforce the 
> story that self liberation, the very goal of life, is somehow worthless, 
> damaging and anti-evolutionary. Their loss. :-) 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > This Sunday Cafe Rap was occasioned by an interesting article I read
> > today on Salon in which the author talked about the neuroscience of
> > happiness:
> > http://www.salon.com/2012/01/28/the_neuroscience_of_happiness/
> >   
> > He seemed to swing behind the idea that happiness -- for most people --
> > seems to be associated with working towards a goal. He made some good
> > observations, such as Americans investing in the wrong kinds of
> > acquisitions in the pursuit of happiness ("things" vs. "experiences"),
> > but I got the feeling that he kinda ignored more anomalous findings in
> > his own research. Such as the Canadian film he cited called "One Week,"
> > in which a guy who is diagnosed with cancer goes on a Road Trip and,
> > after getting lost while hiking, meets a young woman and asks her, "If
> > you knew you had one week to live what would you be doing?" She answers
> > without any hesitation: "What I'm doing now."
> > 
> > That does not strike me as happiness found as a result of seeking a
> > future goal of some kind. It's a different kind of happiness, the kind
> > found in appreciation of the Now, not in anticipation of a future. *Any
> > kind* of future.
> > 
> > This all got me thinking about FFL, and how there often seems to be a
> > clear-cut demarcation between seekers here, and what it is that they
> > seek.
> > 
> > Some seem to believe that happiness is only to be found in being
> > "special." As in "enlightened," or "realized," or "awakened," or just
> > the state we hear asserted so often, "I / we 'know' and others don't."
> > We've all watched as posters who buy into this pursuit of their own
> > specialness come and go. Some, who believe in this meme or theory of
> > happiness, seem to feel intensely uncomfortable *unless* they can get
> > others to relate to them as being as "special" as they consider
> > themselves to be. Almost every argument or discussion comes down to,
> > "Well you believe that  > here> because you're not as evolved /realized / enlightened / smart /
> > moral / ethical / truthful as I am. The very fact that you believe what
> > you believe comes from your *lack* of being special. If you were as
> > special as I am, you'd know the Truth. Like I do."
> > 
> > Then there are the other kinds of seekers. Y'know, the ones like Curtis
> > and Marek and a few others, whose seeking seems to have resulted in a
> > state a lot like the female hiker's in the author's story. What is there
> > to "seek" as a goal or a future set of desires leading to happiness or
> > fulfillment if Now is perceived as pretty much "as fulfilling as it
> > gets?"
> > 
> > The author speaks of "flow" as the thing that seems to help people find
> > some sense of happiness in life. For many, that "flow" is interpreted as
> > believing in a goal or set of goals and working tireless to achieve
> > them. The whole "pathway to enlightenment or salvation," and all that.
> > For others, however, *their* sense of "flow" seems more Taoist or Zen --
> > immersion in the flow of Now to such an extent that the need to "seek"
> > doesn't even arise. FOR it to arise would imply a lack of fulfillment, a
> > lack of happiness. If you're fully in the flow of Tao, such a lack
> > cannot arise.
> > 
> > I'm not suggesting that either o

[FairfieldLife] Shit Native New Yorkers Say

[turquoiseb]

I remember back when I first moved to New York -- and from 
California, which is pretty much Zorba's "full catastrophe." 
In my first week there, learning that I was a NYC Newbie, a
woman in a bar told me two jokes that she introduced by saying
that they'd help me understand where I was. Both turned out 
to be prophetic.

In the first joke, a guy is walking down a busy New York street
and someone stops him and says, "Hey Buddy...you got a minute?"
Guy barely breaks stride, and says, "Yeah, but I'm using it!"

The second joke was explaining the difference between New York
and California. "In California, the women say 'Fuck me, Fuck me.'
In New York, they say 'Fuck you.'" 

Anyway, this collection of Things Said On The Streets Of New
York struck me as funny. Actual or artificial, spontaneous
or scripted...doesn't matter. Just as with the two jokes, it 
captures the mindset. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/28/shit-native-new-yorkers-say_n_1239143.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.

[futur.musik]

Looks really fun - I wonder when they will invent room temperature snow to go 
along with it?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY
> 
> My first runs on the Trikke Skki.
> 
> Enjoy.  
> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Joy Of Seeking: Is it found in specialness, or ordinariness?

[futur.musik]

Your argument makes perfect sense for you. You need not do anything else to 
challenge yourself, to grow, to get outside of your comfort zone. What you 
mistake for "the Here and Now" is stasis and old habits. 

Being spiritually awake has nothing to do with specialness. It is the 
accomplishment, more or less, of synchronicity with the universe. Anyone can 
achieve it. Some do, and a small percentage keep trying to reinforce the story 
that self liberation, the very goal of life, is somehow worthless, damaging and 
anti-evolutionary. Their loss. :-) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> This Sunday Cafe Rap was occasioned by an interesting article I read
> today on Salon in which the author talked about the neuroscience of
> happiness:
> http://www.salon.com/2012/01/28/the_neuroscience_of_happiness/
>   
> He seemed to swing behind the idea that happiness -- for most people --
> seems to be associated with working towards a goal. He made some good
> observations, such as Americans investing in the wrong kinds of
> acquisitions in the pursuit of happiness ("things" vs. "experiences"),
> but I got the feeling that he kinda ignored more anomalous findings in
> his own research. Such as the Canadian film he cited called "One Week,"
> in which a guy who is diagnosed with cancer goes on a Road Trip and,
> after getting lost while hiking, meets a young woman and asks her, "If
> you knew you had one week to live what would you be doing?" She answers
> without any hesitation: "What I'm doing now."
> 
> That does not strike me as happiness found as a result of seeking a
> future goal of some kind. It's a different kind of happiness, the kind
> found in appreciation of the Now, not in anticipation of a future. *Any
> kind* of future.
> 
> This all got me thinking about FFL, and how there often seems to be a
> clear-cut demarcation between seekers here, and what it is that they
> seek.
> 
> Some seem to believe that happiness is only to be found in being
> "special." As in "enlightened," or "realized," or "awakened," or just
> the state we hear asserted so often, "I / we 'know' and others don't."
> We've all watched as posters who buy into this pursuit of their own
> specialness come and go. Some, who believe in this meme or theory of
> happiness, seem to feel intensely uncomfortable *unless* they can get
> others to relate to them as being as "special" as they consider
> themselves to be. Almost every argument or discussion comes down to,
> "Well you believe that  here> because you're not as evolved /realized / enlightened / smart /
> moral / ethical / truthful as I am. The very fact that you believe what
> you believe comes from your *lack* of being special. If you were as
> special as I am, you'd know the Truth. Like I do."
> 
> Then there are the other kinds of seekers. Y'know, the ones like Curtis
> and Marek and a few others, whose seeking seems to have resulted in a
> state a lot like the female hiker's in the author's story. What is there
> to "seek" as a goal or a future set of desires leading to happiness or
> fulfillment if Now is perceived as pretty much "as fulfilling as it
> gets?"
> 
> The author speaks of "flow" as the thing that seems to help people find
> some sense of happiness in life. For many, that "flow" is interpreted as
> believing in a goal or set of goals and working tireless to achieve
> them. The whole "pathway to enlightenment or salvation," and all that.
> For others, however, *their* sense of "flow" seems more Taoist or Zen --
> immersion in the flow of Now to such an extent that the need to "seek"
> doesn't even arise. FOR it to arise would imply a lack of fulfillment, a
> lack of happiness. If you're fully in the flow of Tao, such a lack
> cannot arise.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that either of these two paths are superior or
> better, just that there appear to be two paths that humans take in the
> direction of what they perceive as happiness.
> 
> One is to glom onto a set of beliefs that say that happiness is to be
> found in following a flow that has been described to us by sages in the
> past and leads to a "special" state in which happiness is the result of
> "having arrived." Enlightenment, in people who believe this, is
> perceived as a kind of "end state," a state that can be achieved in the
> future (almost always in the future, if you'll notice, and almost never
> in the present). Once one achieves this "special" state, then happiness
> is the result, and other people will perceive your "specialness" and
> treat you the way you always expected they would, as almost a reward for
> your awesome attainment.
> 
> The other path is to revel in one's ordinariness and see it as the state
> of *inherent* happiness it really is. It's as if their path to happiness
> consists of achieving the state of mind the Marcus Aurelius quote I
> tweeted yesterday spoke of, "Be content to seem what you really 

[FairfieldLife] There are obsessions, and then there are obsessions...

[turquoiseb]

This one strikes me as one of the latter, the benevolent
and slightly wondrous kinds of obsession:

"I want to build a clock that ticks once a year. The 
century hand advances once every one hundred years, and 
the cuckoo comes out on the millennium. I want the cuckoo 
to come out every millennium for the next 10,000 years. 
If I hurry I should finish the clock in time to see the 
cuckoo come out for the first time." 
— Danny Hillis, The Millennium Clock, Wired Scenarios, 1995

He got to build it. It's an ongoing project funded by
Jeff Bezos called the Clock Of The Long Now. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now

http://longnow.org/about/

[FairfieldLife] FW: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/29/2012

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg finds God at 34 m.p.h.

[raunchydog]

Where were you skiing?  Good run. I saw you whiz by a black diamond at 4:26. 
Careful out there. Quick release bindings, I hope.  Cool video schussing to the 
finish. I don't see how you can get on and off a chairlift with ski boots 
attached to the Trikke.  Your steering wheel would be in the way. I'd sure hate 
to wipe out and land on it. 

Factoid: The average speed for skiers of 44.5 km/h (27.6 mph) was significantly 
higher than that for snowboarders at 38.9 km/h (24.1 mph).  At 34 mph I'm glad 
you found God and not your Maker, ass over teakettle. With your center of 
gravity higher than on regular skis, it looks like you would have less mobility 
and control at higher speeds. Skis allow quick pivots and edging into the hill 
with minimum effort and maximum control at high speeds. I don't see how you can 
do that with the Trikke. The Trikke looks safe traversing bunny hills, but I'd 
stay off moguls for sure. Skiing is a rush, loved it when I had good knees. 
http://youtu.be/aJSq7WaqH4Q

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUuKhaBkJvY
> 
> My first runs on the Trikke Skki.
> 
> Enjoy.  
> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How to keep Google from tracking your searches

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> great thank you
> do you  have any suggestion  -in a kind opposite move- [:D]  how i
> personally can track  follow ups and answer to my posting at FFL 
> beside time consuming search function at yahoo group?

I can't give you specifics, sadly, but my memory 
is that the Yahoo Web Viewer for this group at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
has a number of viewing options. One, if I 
remember properly, is whether to view the posts
sequentially (in the order they were sent) or
threaded (grouped under the same original topic).

If you're mainly interested in whether someone 
has replied to one of your posts, threaded would
seem to be the option you want. Someone else will
have to tell you how to turn on this option if it
exists, though, because I don't remember. I just
remember occasionally having to turn it off in the 
past because I don't like reading groups threaded.
I get more of a feel for what's going on out there
in cyberspace by reading the posts in the order in
which they're written and sent. YMMV.

[FairfieldLife] The Joy Of Seeking: Is it found in specialness, or ordinariness?

[turquoiseb]

This Sunday Cafe Rap was occasioned by an interesting article I read
today on Salon in which the author talked about the neuroscience of
happiness:
http://www.salon.com/2012/01/28/the_neuroscience_of_happiness/
  
He seemed to swing behind the idea that happiness -- for most people --
seems to be associated with working towards a goal. He made some good
observations, such as Americans investing in the wrong kinds of
acquisitions in the pursuit of happiness ("things" vs. "experiences"),
but I got the feeling that he kinda ignored more anomalous findings in
his own research. Such as the Canadian film he cited called "One Week,"
in which a guy who is diagnosed with cancer goes on a Road Trip and,
after getting lost while hiking, meets a young woman and asks her, "If
you knew you had one week to live what would you be doing?" She answers
without any hesitation: "What I'm doing now."

That does not strike me as happiness found as a result of seeking a
future goal of some kind. It's a different kind of happiness, the kind
found in appreciation of the Now, not in anticipation of a future. *Any
kind* of future.

This all got me thinking about FFL, and how there often seems to be a
clear-cut demarcation between seekers here, and what it is that they
seek.

Some seem to believe that happiness is only to be found in being
"special." As in "enlightened," or "realized," or "awakened," or just
the state we hear asserted so often, "I / we 'know' and others don't."
We've all watched as posters who buy into this pursuit of their own
specialness come and go. Some, who believe in this meme or theory of
happiness, seem to feel intensely uncomfortable *unless* they can get
others to relate to them as being as "special" as they consider
themselves to be. Almost every argument or discussion comes down to,
"Well you believe that  because you're not as evolved /realized / enlightened / smart /
moral / ethical / truthful as I am. The very fact that you believe what
you believe comes from your *lack* of being special. If you were as
special as I am, you'd know the Truth. Like I do."

Then there are the other kinds of seekers. Y'know, the ones like Curtis
and Marek and a few others, whose seeking seems to have resulted in a
state a lot like the female hiker's in the author's story. What is there
to "seek" as a goal or a future set of desires leading to happiness or
fulfillment if Now is perceived as pretty much "as fulfilling as it
gets?"

The author speaks of "flow" as the thing that seems to help people find
some sense of happiness in life. For many, that "flow" is interpreted as
believing in a goal or set of goals and working tireless to achieve
them. The whole "pathway to enlightenment or salvation," and all that.
For others, however, *their* sense of "flow" seems more Taoist or Zen --
immersion in the flow of Now to such an extent that the need to "seek"
doesn't even arise. FOR it to arise would imply a lack of fulfillment, a
lack of happiness. If you're fully in the flow of Tao, such a lack
cannot arise.

I'm not suggesting that either of these two paths are superior or
better, just that there appear to be two paths that humans take in the
direction of what they perceive as happiness.

One is to glom onto a set of beliefs that say that happiness is to be
found in following a flow that has been described to us by sages in the
past and leads to a "special" state in which happiness is the result of
"having arrived." Enlightenment, in people who believe this, is
perceived as a kind of "end state," a state that can be achieved in the
future (almost always in the future, if you'll notice, and almost never
in the present). Once one achieves this "special" state, then happiness
is the result, and other people will perceive your "specialness" and
treat you the way you always expected they would, as almost a reward for
your awesome attainment.

The other path is to revel in one's ordinariness and see it as the state
of *inherent* happiness it really is. It's as if their path to happiness
consists of achieving the state of mind the Marcus Aurelius quote I
tweeted yesterday spoke of, "Be content to seem what you really are." I
know such people. They're likable in a way that those who constantly
feel the need to "seem" different than they really are will never be. To
come up with another quote to express the Joys Of Ordinariness, I need
go no further than my man Bruce Cockburn:

To be one more voice in the human choir
Rising like smoke from the mystical fire
Of the heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVfssmB4ok0


I think that this dichotomy between seeking specialnessitude and seeking
ordinarinessitude is just a matter of predilection. Not better / worse
or more effective / less effective. Just predilection. Some get off on
the notion that their happiness is going to be achieved through becoming
"special," and having other relate t

[FairfieldLife] Eyeyam trong!

[cardemaister]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq7Q3inNV6g&feature=endscreen&NR=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Earth Does Not Revolve Around the Sun

[merudanda]

These beautiful images was taken by a chap in Norway (not  Cardy's
Finland) I believe. The Earth is a wondrous planet indeed when we can
receive magnetic gifts like this in our skies.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302749

She is also quite likely close to having "a fit of energetic renewal
methinks" [:D] .

German Village Produces 321% More Energy Than It Consumes

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301975


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> This guy's observation has merits.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NH5yK3ZN54&feature=related
>

[FairfieldLife] [Oldies but goldies?] Baltic Sea UFO??

[cardemaister]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73SVXSiEE5U

[FairfieldLife] Re: How to keep Google from tracking your searches

[merudanda]

great thank you
  do you  have any suggestion  -in a kind opposite move- [:D]  how i
personally can track  follow ups and answer to my posting at FFL beside
time consuming search function at yahoo group?
thanks in advance and forgive me haven''t answer some of your follow ups
because of my PC illiteracy(or old age)  [;)]
BTW
  this software developerWladimir Palant has a nice Ad blocker
too

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/user/346/


http://adblockplus.org/ 


but you may know that.
OTOH
  this plugin will/may not help with "Baidu:Having searched for her
hundreds and thousands of times in the crowd,  suddenly turning back by
chance, I find her there in the dimmest  candlelight."sneaking away to
meet our/my love and exchange promises to meet again next time [:D]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> If you are using Firefox this addon will strip everything but the
actual
> URL address on a Google search:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search-link-fix/
>
> I think Google is making a big mistake with this as they will be
> creating business for alternate search sites.  We probably need an
> Internet privacy law that forbids such tracking.  They do only because
> there currently is no such law.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Earth Does Not Revolve Around the Sun

[merudanda]

  just saying.. [:D]


a moving and dynamic system whose orbits travel along with the sun would
only be news to the less knowledgeable in Astronomy. Although that
simulation exaggerates the 3rd dimension scale the spinning of the solar
systems and galaxies considerably the center of mass of Earth and Moon
orbits the bar center, just as do all the planets, but Earth's Moon is a
significant percentage of its own size so Earth describes a clear spiral
around  with the Moon, which in turn spirals around the Sun, which in
turn is spiraling around the bar center.Then of course you have to take
into account the different accelerations between when the Moon is
between the Earth and the Sun and when it is out from the
Earth...But..Wouldn't you see the connection between the spiraling earth
and planetary system and our G-Nome string, a little farfetched? [:D]

Just being moved  by the move of your

our movement's move [:D]

let's move be now moved by the

pilgrim moved by Satish Kumar- brother of the brotherhood of wandering
Jain monks -in the 1960s he made an 8,000-mile pilgrimage for peace,
which included walking from India over the Himalayas to Paris via
Moscow:

"To be a pilgrim is to be on a path of adventure, to move out of our
comfort zones, to let go of our prejudices and preconditioning, to make
strides towards the unknown."Paradoxically, being on a pilgrimage
doesn't necessarily mean traveling from one place to another - it
means a state of mind, a state of consciousness, a state of
fearlessness. He says"We need to realize that we are all connected, and
through that connectivity we become pilgrims." like our solar system...

How to communicate with Nature

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq2R5qGmq-g




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2dY2apm1HI




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i4vociwfjc




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6de9FjR40g0




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrIBmJdTBsc




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Fw_ZQFbdA




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdq3xtk6AEo




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfIcKDNnRgM




   [:x]





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> This guy's observation has merits.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NH5yK3ZN54&feature=related
>