[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Some people seem to automatically conclude that it means that there are beings living on another level. My view would be to assume that a brain glitch is causing internally generated inner vision that we all have to be misinterpreted as vision of something existing outside us. It is a pretty well documented and understood phenomenon in neuroscience. Spiritual systems have failed to ingrate our modern understanding of this perceptual process. Yes, they have. But I think the time is coming soon when neuroscience will move along and it will be common knowledge as to how the brain functions - and what those experiences that generations of humans considered religious or spiritual mean as far as brain functioning goes. People will have to reassess the whole thing thing - the validity of religious and spiritual experience, what Awakening really means, and how much to trust perception. I hope that's true, but am not convinced. I would say that the often-overwhelming nature of subjective exper- ience (not to mention the ego-boost of interpreting it spiritually according to descriptions given us by past teachers or books) will always trump any description of the same event given to us by science. People are just going to prefer the sexier version, that's all...the one that fuels their own self importance more. Another point, I recall Maharishi saying that everything is really in the self, which I take to mean within consciousness and not really outside. He said this about devas and such, that they were really within. It would be interesting to know if more than one person at a time sees the same celestial beings and the descriptions are identical. Perhaps there is an energy that causes the same glitch in many people in the same vicinity. I know that people who were with Rama (a friend of mine was for a while) seem to have all experienced the exact same phenomena at the same time. Barry would know more about this - but I think that is the case. It was definitely the case. We'd be out in the desert or up on some volcano top in Hawaii and -- *without* what we were supposed to see ever being preannounced -- a large number of people in the group would report having seen the same thing. That thing could be levitation, or invisibility, or inanimate objects (like mountains) becoming first transparent, as if they were the light dots in holograms, and then disappear. Or, we would occasionally see subtle beings, meaning moving beings that seemed to be sentient and were all described similarly by all the participants who saw them. So what was going on? Beats me. I was as much of a skeptic then as I am now, and constantly trying to pinch myself or do something to figure out whether what I was seeing was an illusion or internally- generated, and I consistently failed to make these subjective experiences go away. I remember once having Rama stand two feet in front of me and go invisible, so that I could see the desert background through him. I couldn't help myself -- I leaned from side to side, to see if the background shifted in the correct per- spective as I moved, and it did. I literally slapped myself and took a swig of coffee trying to make the perception go away. But it didn't. All Rama did was laugh at my efforts and move on to do the same with other students. I don't have any solid theories for how this might have happened. I DO believe in separate realities, as in the Castaneda books, in which what one is able to see at any given point is determined by the state of attention one is in at the time. See a scene in normal waking state and it appears...uh...normal. A few moments later, after having one's state of attention shifted into a radically different state, and it looks different. I have experienced this so many times -- and all without drugs, fatigue, or suggestion being an element in the mix -- that I have to believe that the notion of separate realities is a valid way to describe the world and how it works. I see no reason to believe that there is any such thing as one highest or best or most real reality that supersedes all others. There are just multiple realities, all always present, all the time. You either are in a state of attention from which you can experience them clearly or you are not. I do NOT hold to the idea of mass hypnosis, because as I said I was always keenly aware of any hint of pre-suggestion that would tell us what to expect or what we were going to see or experience. To the Rama guy's credit, he almost NEVER did this; he didn't have to. He'd just do his thing, and then *afterwards* ask people what -- if anything -- they saw or experienced. And then he'd let anyone who contributed go through their spiel about what they saw without interruption or comment,
[FairfieldLife] The Future
The UN is advising that Current patterns of consumption are not sustainable, the panel concludes, without major change. If people meditated more, Life on the planet would be so much more sustainable. If everyone every day spent more time in meditation it could markedly change consumption. People should meditate more. 2 hours twice a day would do the world immense good so many ways. There is a lot of science that shows that already. For so many good reasons people should be meditating and meditaing more. Everyone. 7:30am and 5pm Meditate more,and consume less for a better more sustainable planet. Everyone. -Buck in FF http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16775264
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Future
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: The UN is advising that Current patterns of consumption are not sustainable, the panel concludes, without major change. Good science is clearly showing that people everywhere should act globally by meditating more locally as a solution. If people meditated more, Life on the planet would be so much more sustainable. If everyone every day spent more time in meditation it could markedly change consumption. People should meditate more. 2 hours twice a day would do the world immense good so many ways. There is a lot of science that shows that already. For so many good reasons people should be meditating and meditaing more. Everyone. 7:30am and 5pm Meditate more,and consume less for a better more sustainable planet. Everyone. -Buck in FF http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16775264
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Future
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: The UN is advising that Current patterns of consumption are not sustainable, the panel concludes, without major change. Good science is clearly showing that people everywhere should act globally by meditating more locally as a solution. The frightening thing is that both all of India and and Red China want to be like, us: fat and with three cars in every garage. If people meditated more, Life on the planet would be so much more sustainable. If everyone every day spent more time in meditation it could markedly change consumption. People should meditate more. 2 hours twice a day would do the world immense good so many ways. There is a lot of science that shows that already. For so many good reasons people should be meditating and meditaing more. Everyone. 7:30am and 5pm Meditate more,and consume less for a better more sustainable planet. Everyone. -Buck in FF http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16775264
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Future
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: The UN is advising that Current patterns of consumption are not sustainable, the panel concludes, without major change. Good science is clearly showing that people everywhere should act globally by meditating more locally as a solution. The frightening thing is that both all of India and and Red China want to be like, us: fat and with three cars in every garage. No, both need to return to meditation before it is too late. If the Chinese want to continue being god-less, then they at least should start teaching a scientifically effective meditation to school children everywhere there. The Indians, they should ditch the cultural corruption of bollywood and return to their meditative spiritual country roots. Meditate locally and act globally should be their rally cry. Two hours twice a day at least. If people meditated more, Life on the planet would be so much more sustainable. If everyone every day spent more time in meditation it could markedly change consumption. People should meditate more. 2 hours twice a day would do the world immense good so many ways. There is a lot of science that shows this already. For so many good reasons people should be meditating and meditaing more. Everyone. 7:30am and 5pm Meditate more,and consume less for a better more sustainable planet. Everyone. -Buck in FF http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16775264
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Future
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: The UN is advising that Current patterns of consumption are not sustainable, the panel concludes, without major change. Good science is clearly showing that people everywhere should act globally by meditating more locally as a solution. The frightening thing is that both all of India and and Red China want to be like, us: fat and with three cars in every garage. No, both need to return to meditation before it is too late. If the Chinese want to continue being god-less, then they at least should start teaching a scientifically effective meditation to school children everywhere there. The Indians, they should ditch the cultural corruption of bollywood and return to their meditative spiritual country roots. Meditate locally and act globally should be their rally cry. Two hours twice a day at least. The muslims could help too if they would really meditate with a scientifically proven meditative practice five times a day instead of just stopping to say some medieval prayers. In a future between the muslim world, the Red Chinese, and India meditating effectively, this larger problem of sustainability could really be blunted yet the world would be even so much a better place to live. 'Win-win', as they say. Meditation clearly is the best investment in all our future in so many ways. Non-meditation is manifestly the problem of the future now. If people meditated more, Life on the planet would be so much more sustainable. If everyone every day spent more time in meditation it could markedly change consumption. People should meditate more. 2 hours twice a day would do the world immense good in so many ways. There is a lot of science that shows this already. For so many good reasons people should be meditating and meditaing more. Everyone. 7:30am and 5pm Meditate more,and consume less for a better more sustainable planet. Everyone. -Buck in FF http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16775264
[FairfieldLife] Re: DMT - The Spirit Molecule - Documentary
DMT The Spirit Molecule movie bring tears to my third eye [:D] no comparison to watch this shorter one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6yQNuSFus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6yQNuSFus best viewed with a dual you tube http://zoomquilt2.madmindworx.com/zoomquilt2.swf?9001 http://zoomquilt2.madmindworx.com/zoomquilt2.swf?9001 synchron while the song is playing -that mixed great! do not miss the climax around 8:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6yQNuSFusfeature=player_detailpage#t=4\ 71s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6yQNuSFusfeature=player_detailpage#t=\ 471s The Ruling Elite take DMT to contact entities-This rabbit hole is so much deeper than most can even begin to comprehend.There's a war on for your mind! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5S9mrE8Xgfeature=ivannotation_id=anno\ tation_992169 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5S9mrE8Xgfeature=ivannotation_id=ann\ otation_992169 Maybe a DMT-entity is controlling the destiny of our planet. ... ...you can get power money and fame from being a puppet to these entitiesmaskedzebra just kidding- nice find... [:D] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I watched this documentary on Netflix last night. I don't recall it being discussed here before but it is definitely a film many FFL'ers would enjoy. Interesting thing was at the top of the list of financial donations was Earl Kaplan. http://thespiritmolecule.com/ http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/DMT_The_Spirit_Molecule/70209261 Also available a number of other places including YouTube. They list all the VOD links on the web site.
[FairfieldLife] Swami Premodaya: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/30/2012
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have
Just as a followup, Susan, there are experiences I've had that are MUCH weirder than any I ever had while in Rama's presence, and thus of another order entirely. There is one experience that happened when I was thousands of miles away from him, had nothing to do with him, but was pretty amazing. Why it's fascinating to me is that I was with someone else who saw exactly the same thing I did, and who to this day describes it exactly as I do. There was no setup for having this experience, no expectation of having it, nada. It just happened. So the two of us (my best friend and I) have only each other to rely on when it comes to describing it. Most of the time we don't, because it's much more unbelievable in a way than having seen deities. The only thing we know is THAT we saw it. How we saw it, or whether it really existed and could have been photographed or whether we were seeing into some alternate reality...that stuff we can't really talk about, because neither of us has any clue as to the how or actual what involved. I'll refrain from going into more detail at this point, because it would just become fodder for those who live to dump on me already. I suspect you understand. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Some people seem to automatically conclude that it means that there are beings living on another level. My view would be to assume that a brain glitch is causing internally generated inner vision that we all have to be misinterpreted as vision of something existing outside us. It is a pretty well documented and understood phenomenon in neuroscience. Spiritual systems have failed to ingrate our modern understanding of this perceptual process. Yes, they have. But I think the time is coming soon when neuroscience will move along and it will be common knowledge as to how the brain functions - and what those experiences that generations of humans considered religious or spiritual mean as far as brain functioning goes. People will have to reassess the whole thing thing - the validity of religious and spiritual experience, what Awakening really means, and how much to trust perception. I hope that's true, but am not convinced. I would say that the often-overwhelming nature of subjective exper- ience (not to mention the ego-boost of interpreting it spiritually according to descriptions given us by past teachers or books) will always trump any description of the same event given to us by science. People are just going to prefer the sexier version, that's all...the one that fuels their own self importance more. Another point, I recall Maharishi saying that everything is really in the self, which I take to mean within consciousness and not really outside. He said this about devas and such, that they were really within. It would be interesting to know if more than one person at a time sees the same celestial beings and the descriptions are identical. Perhaps there is an energy that causes the same glitch in many people in the same vicinity. I know that people who were with Rama (a friend of mine was for a while) seem to have all experienced the exact same phenomena at the same time. Barry would know more about this - but I think that is the case. It was definitely the case. We'd be out in the desert or up on some volcano top in Hawaii and -- *without* what we were supposed to see ever being preannounced -- a large number of people in the group would report having seen the same thing. That thing could be levitation, or invisibility, or inanimate objects (like mountains) becoming first transparent, as if they were the light dots in holograms, and then disappear. Or, we would occasionally see subtle beings, meaning moving beings that seemed to be sentient and were all described similarly by all the participants who saw them. So what was going on? Beats me. I was as much of a skeptic then as I am now, and constantly trying to pinch myself or do something to figure out whether what I was seeing was an illusion or internally- generated, and I consistently failed to make these subjective experiences go away. I remember once having Rama stand two feet in front of me and go invisible, so that I could see the desert background through him. I couldn't help myself -- I leaned from side to side, to see if the background shifted in the correct per- spective as I moved, and it did. I literally slapped myself and took a swig of coffee trying to make the perception go away. But it didn't. All Rama did was laugh at my efforts and move on to do the same with other students. I don't have any solid theories for how this might have happened. I DO believe in separate realities, as in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Just as a followup, Susan, there are experiences I've had that are MUCH weirder than any I ever had while in Rama's presence, and thus of another order entirely. There is one experience that happened when I was thousands of miles away from him, had nothing to do with him, but was pretty amazing. Why it's fascinating to me is that I was with someone else who saw exactly the same thing I did, and who to this day describes it exactly as I do. There was no setup for having this experience, no expectation of having it, nada. It just happened. So the two of us (my best friend and I) have only each other to rely on when it comes to describing it. Most of the time we don't, because it's much more unbelievable in a way than having seen deities. The only thing we know is THAT we saw it. How we saw it, or whether it really existed and could have been photographed or whether we were seeing into some alternate reality...that stuff we can't really talk about, because neither of us has any clue as to the how or actual what involved. I'll refrain from going into more detail at this point, because it would just become fodder for those who live to dump on me already. I suspect you understand. :-) I do understand. And I hope to hear the story some day. Thank for your replies. I am at work and cannot give them the time and consideration they deserve. Thanks again - your experiences get to the crux of the whole issue, imo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Some people seem to automatically conclude that it means that there are beings living on another level. My view would be to assume that a brain glitch is causing internally generated inner vision that we all have to be misinterpreted as vision of something existing outside us. It is a pretty well documented and understood phenomenon in neuroscience. Spiritual systems have failed to ingrate our modern understanding of this perceptual process. Yes, they have. But I think the time is coming soon when neuroscience will move along and it will be common knowledge as to how the brain functions - and what those experiences that generations of humans considered religious or spiritual mean as far as brain functioning goes. People will have to reassess the whole thing thing - the validity of religious and spiritual experience, what Awakening really means, and how much to trust perception. I hope that's true, but am not convinced. I would say that the often-overwhelming nature of subjective exper- ience (not to mention the ego-boost of interpreting it spiritually according to descriptions given us by past teachers or books) will always trump any description of the same event given to us by science. People are just going to prefer the sexier version, that's all...the one that fuels their own self importance more. Another point, I recall Maharishi saying that everything is really in the self, which I take to mean within consciousness and not really outside. He said this about devas and such, that they were really within. It would be interesting to know if more than one person at a time sees the same celestial beings and the descriptions are identical. Perhaps there is an energy that causes the same glitch in many people in the same vicinity. I know that people who were with Rama (a friend of mine was for a while) seem to have all experienced the exact same phenomena at the same time. Barry would know more about this - but I think that is the case. It was definitely the case. We'd be out in the desert or up on some volcano top in Hawaii and -- *without* what we were supposed to see ever being preannounced -- a large number of people in the group would report having seen the same thing. That thing could be levitation, or invisibility, or inanimate objects (like mountains) becoming first transparent, as if they were the light dots in holograms, and then disappear. Or, we would occasionally see subtle beings, meaning moving beings that seemed to be sentient and were all described similarly by all the participants who saw them. So what was going on? Beats me. I was as much of a skeptic then as I am now, and constantly trying to pinch myself or do something to figure out whether what I was seeing was an illusion or internally- generated, and I consistently failed to make these subjective experiences go away. I remember once having Rama stand two feet in front of me and go invisible, so that I could see the desert background through him. I couldn't help myself -- I leaned from side to side, to
[FairfieldLife] Re: DMT - The Spirit Molecule - Documentary
But our DMT pineal gland 3rd eye truth light Chakra has already been transformed in the beginning of the year 2012 Anno Domini - So join with me in crying blissful with joy and with your now open third eye http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Zv1lsjfr8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Zv1lsjfr8feature=related http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302779 BTW Andrew Weil mentioned in passing during his talkPsychoactive Drugs Throughout Human History at a 1983 University of California at Santa Barbara conference, Dimethyltryptamine [...] is almost certainly made by the pineal gland in the brain.and seems it took a couple of decades for the meme to spread into the wider drug-geek pop culture, more recently and rapidly due to the Internet. An Internet search will turn up a bounty of wacky spiral spin-offs, all of which cite Strassman's speculations as the facts backing up their further other wacky -money-greedy-claims. Previous post should be seen in divine-blissful-crying-tears- context since Strassman really proposes that DMT may provide access to parallel universes (and alien beings) via superconductive quantum computing of the human brain at room temperature, or via interactions with dark matter. Strassman's DMT: Spirit Molecule on DMT in the Pineal : These hypotheses are not proven, but they derive from scientifically valid data combined with spiritual and religious observations and teachings. [...] We don't know whether DMT is made in the pineal. I muster a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting a reason to look long and hard at the pineal, but we do not yet know. Just saying just quoting .. [:D] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: DMT The Spirit Molecule movie bring tears to my third eye [:D] no comparison to watch this shorter one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6yQNuSFus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6yQNuSFus best viewed with a dual you tube http://zoomquilt2.madmindworx.com/zoomquilt2.swf?9001 http://zoomquilt2.madmindworx.com/zoomquilt2.swf?9001 synchron while the song is playing -that mixed great! do not miss the climax around 8:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6yQNuSFusfeature=player_detailpage#t=4\ \ 71s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6yQNuSFusfeature=player_detailpage#t=\ \ 471s The Ruling Elite take DMT to contact entities-This rabbit hole is so much deeper than most can even begin to comprehend.There's a war on for your mind! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5S9mrE8Xgfeature=ivannotation_id=anno\ \ tation_992169 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5S9mrE8Xgfeature=ivannotation_id=ann\ \ otation_992169 Maybe a DMT-entity is controlling the destiny of our planet. ... ...you can get power money and fame from being a puppet to these entitiesmaskedzebra just kidding- nice find... [:D] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I watched this documentary on Netflix last night. I don't recall it being discussed here before but it is definitely a film many FFL'ers would enjoy. Interesting thing was at the top of the list of financial donations was Earl Kaplan. http://thespiritmolecule.com/ http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/DMT_The_Spirit_Molecule/70209261 Also available a number of other places including YouTube. They list all the VOD links on the web site.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it very much, very much. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot . A lot. A lot. I like it. I like it. Very much. Very much. I like it. I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
ahh balsam what a relaxation for ears and eyes after bhairitus posting thanks my enchanting elf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DJ_ce3undU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DJ_ce3undU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DJ_ce3undU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfPQW5keQggfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfPQW5keQggfeature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: DMT - The Spirit Molecule - Documentary
forget to add a 2 h (don't forget your popcorn [:D] )meta-documentary to this documentary DMT The Spirit Molecule - by Allyson and Alex Grey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMOC44vby9g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMOC44vby9g looking forward a spirited discussion amongster the FFL m... any donation to bairitu..not big spender Earl [;)] Shirley Bassey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8FlmXla0Pw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8FlmXla0Pw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I watched this documentary on Netflix last night. I don't recall it being discussed here before but it is definitely a film many FFL'ers would enjoy. Interesting thing was at the top of the list of financial donations was Earl Kaplan. http://thespiritmolecule.com/ http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/DMT_The_Spirit_Molecule/70209261 Also available a number of other places including YouTube. They list all the VOD links on the web site.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Why it's fascinating to me is that I was with someone else who saw exactly the same thing I did, and who to this day describes it exactly as I do. There was no setup for having this experience, no expectation of having it, nada. It just happened. So the two of us (my best friend and I) have only each other to rely on when it comes to describing it. Most of the time we don't, because it's much more unbelievable in a way than having seen deities. The only thing we know is THAT we saw it. How we saw it, or whether it really existed and could have been photographed or whether we were seeing into some alternate reality...that stuff we can't really talk about, because neither of us has any clue as to the how or actual what involved. I'll refrain from going into more detail at this point, because it would just become fodder for those who live to dump on me already. I suspect you understand. :-) And I suspect Susan doesn't understand, because the only way I can imagine anyone here would dump on you for reporting a weird experience would be to wonder why you dump on the people you don't like for reporting their own weird experiences. And that, of course, wouldn't have anything to do with whether you went into detail or not. What *I* understand is that you stuck that in at the end to gratuitously dump on those people, even though it made no sense to do so. snip I do NOT hold to the idea of mass hypnosis, because as I said I was always keenly aware of any hint of pre-suggestion that would tell us what to expect or what we were going to see or experience. To the Rama guy's credit, he almost NEVER did this; he didn't have to. He'd just do his thing, and then *afterwards* ask people what -- if anything -- they saw or experienced. And then he'd let anyone who contributed go through their spiel about what they saw without interruption or comment, no coaxing or rewards for having gotten it right. The most he'd do is *at the end* of such a session, comment on who was more right than others, or on whose seeing was more correct. This, however, is *really* interesting, given that more right and more correct are phrases--concepts, in fact-- that you normally scorn, especially with regard to any kind of personal experience. Yet it seems to have been fine with you that Lenz evaluated folks' reports of what they had experienced that way. And I'd guess that those who were told they were more right or that their seeing was more correct very much perceived this as a reward for having gotten it right. In any case, I'm reminded of how my TM-Siddhis course was taught. Granted, with some of the sutras the sutra itself gave you a pretty clear idea of what you were expected to experience; but the more abstract sutras did not. And it was the same drill that you describe above: We were given sutras, used them for the first time as we'd been taught, and then the teacher asked for experiences. Only after everyone had reported what they'd experienced did the teacher identify which experiences were more correct.
[FairfieldLife] Brilliant arts integrated approach to understaning order in nature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14-NdQwKz9wfeature=youtube_gdata_player This is such a simple, cool presentation. Model teaching.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Premodaya: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/30/2012
looking forward your video Rick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZxfvTc0itofeature=player_embedded http://tinyurl.com/7c9yksv http://tinyurl.com/7c9yksv --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: blog updates from Buddha at the Gas Pump http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e709a491029b04e745834d34d/images/star.gif published 01/30/2012 106. Swami Premodaya http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=127e5adf39e=16e07f16fe Jan 29, 2012 02:14 pm | Rick Bodhisattva Shree Swami Premodaya is a spiritual teacher living in California. Bodhisattva is a Buddhist term for âone who selflessly serves and spiritually awakens others.â Shree is the Hindu term of respect (literally, âsirâ), and denotes one who is recognized ⦠Continue reading http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=8e1b0627c2e=16e07f16fe â' http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/images/mime-type/mp3.png 106_swami_premodaya.mp3 http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=7f9cb5da11e=16e07f16fe 47.6 MB comments http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=d19554cfc0e=16e07f16fe | read more http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=bd395cedcae=16e07f16fe http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=8628da415ce=16e07f16fe Like 106. Swami Premodaya on Facebook http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=965c814e81e=16e07f16fe Google Plus One Button http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=4ea2aaf15de=16e07f16fe share on Twitter http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e709a491029b04e745834d34d/images/frond.gif\ Elsewhere · http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=232e872d90e=16e07f16fe Visit My Blog · http://us2.forward-to-friend.com/forward?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id\ =1b985d71e3e=16e07f16fe Share This with a friend · http://batgap.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf9\ 1d5id=b37f68bc2ee=16e07f16fe Follow me on Twitter · http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=4670e25ddae=16e07f16fe RSS feed http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e709a491029b04e745834d34d/images/shim.gif view email in a browser http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=1b985d\ 71e3e=16e07f16fe Regular announcement of new interviews posted at http://batgap.com. Add us to your address book http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/vcard?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=\ b0e5d0d53a Copyright (C) 2012 Buddha at the Gas Pump All rights reserved. http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/open.php?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2ed\ f91d5id=1b985d71e3e=16e07f16fe
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullsh*t
All that BS is a great challenge to everybody to determine the truth for themselves. There will be and always have been those who make stuff up for their own self satisfaction. Although it does nothing to further anything, except the one person's agenda, there is no way for the BSer to stop their behavior, because it comes from a fundamental ignorance of themselves. The ego is just getting off on how big it feels for the moment, to compensate for the inadequacies that run its faux existence. With the ego running the show, we are either on top or on the bottom. Naturally, for anyone who is primarily ego driven, all of their actions are focused on their self satisfaction, their bolstering of the grand story of them. Any larger attempt to get at the truth for social interaction or learning is trumped by the desperate need of the ego for self satisfaction. Being run by the ego is not a happy place. For one thing, the discrimination which is normally used to discern experience, leading to learning, becomes perverted, with its main objective being self protection, at all costs (a natural result of Maslow's hierarchy - the most basic thing, ourselves, our identity, our life, come first, whether we know our true selves, or not). There is little learning going on when the ego runs the show. It is all about reactively protecting the grand story. So, our responsibility is to Know Thyself. By doing this, we avoid the ego trap, and also easily recognize it in others, neutralizing their attempts at BS, or at any rate, no longer being concerned about what such a voice says, knowing its true motive has nothing to do with truth or lying, rather that voice is all about protecting the grand story of its faux nature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully. For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same way that bullsh*tting tends toThe bullsh*tter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullsh*t is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.--Harry G. Frankfurt, On Bullsh*t [asterisks added] Judy, thank you for respecting FFLife's delicate sensibilities by placing a modest fig leaf asterisk on bullsh*t's pooper. I was actually respecting Yahoo's delicate sensibilities (or not respecting them, actually, just figuring it would be safer to cater to them). Buck appreciates it. Point well taken. Media propaganda keeps getting worse. Obviously, it's a huge threat to our democracy. I've never seen so much Republican bullsh*t in a primary. The clown car just keeps giving. Oh, it's just overwhelming. And it really *is* bullsh*it, as Frankfurt defines it above, not just lies. We've got a couple bullsh*tters on FFL as well. They keep reminding me of the Limbaugh/Hannity/Glenn Beck axis, as well as of the candidates themselves. [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZeVELKTR37s/ScUd9TsYScI/ACU/XvaOKwyr7\ h0/S220/foxnews21propaganda.jpg] By the way Anglachel is blogging again. http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-riverdaughter-says.html Thanks. I'm going to link to Riverdaughter's post because it's relevant to the post Xeno made earlier today about field dependence/independence: http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/sunday-ok-i-think-were-on-to-something-here/ http://tinyurl.com/7xv6r7u
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brilliant arts integrated approach to understaning order in nature
http://tinyurl.com/7bgsvtz http://tinyurl.com/7bgsvtz http://tinyurl.com/7bgsvtz You may recall her brilliant stop-motion explanation of the Victorian novella Flatland on a Möbius strip llustrate anything from Platonic solids to hyperbolic planes to binary trees. How about mathemagician Vi Hart with another gem, exploring the science and mathematics of sound, frequency and pitch. From Pythagoras to the anatomy of the ear, Hart uses her signature playful hand-illustrations to reveal how simple mathematical ratios make pleasing melodies. From the cochlea to Coachella, or what mathematical ratios have to do with the enjoyability of melodies -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14-NdQwKz9wfeature=youtube_gdata_player This is such a simple, cool presentation. Model teaching.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullsh*t
While I wouldn't argue against this on the metaphysical level, I'd just point out that it's going to be awhile before we all come to know ourselves. In the meantime, on the practical level, bullsh*tting does a great deal of harm, and we need to learn how to recognize and fight it on that level. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: All that BS is a great challenge to everybody to determine the truth for themselves. There will be and always have been those who make stuff up for their own self satisfaction. Although it does nothing to further anything, except the one person's agenda, there is no way for the BSer to stop their behavior, because it comes from a fundamental ignorance of themselves. The ego is just getting off on how big it feels for the moment, to compensate for the inadequacies that run its faux existence. With the ego running the show, we are either on top or on the bottom. Naturally, for anyone who is primarily ego driven, all of their actions are focused on their self satisfaction, their bolstering of the grand story of them. Any larger attempt to get at the truth for social interaction or learning is trumped by the desperate need of the ego for self satisfaction. Being run by the ego is not a happy place. For one thing, the discrimination which is normally used to discern experience, leading to learning, becomes perverted, with its main objective being self protection, at all costs (a natural result of Maslow's hierarchy - the most basic thing, ourselves, our identity, our life, come first, whether we know our true selves, or not). There is little learning going on when the ego runs the show. It is all about reactively protecting the grand story. So, our responsibility is to Know Thyself. By doing this, we avoid the ego trap, and also easily recognize it in others, neutralizing their attempts at BS, or at any rate, no longer being concerned about what such a voice says, knowing its true motive has nothing to do with truth or lying, rather that voice is all about protecting the grand story of its faux nature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully. For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same way that bullsh*tting tends toThe bullsh*tter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullsh*t is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.--Harry G. Frankfurt, On Bullsh*t [asterisks added] Judy, thank you for respecting FFLife's delicate sensibilities by placing a modest fig leaf asterisk on bullsh*t's pooper. I was actually respecting Yahoo's delicate sensibilities (or not respecting them, actually, just figuring it would be safer to cater to them). Buck appreciates it. Point well taken. Media propaganda keeps getting worse. Obviously, it's a huge threat to our democracy. I've never seen so much Republican bullsh*t in a primary. The clown car just keeps giving. Oh, it's just overwhelming. And it really *is* bullsh*it, as Frankfurt defines it above, not just lies. We've got a couple bullsh*tters on FFL as well. They keep reminding me of the Limbaugh/Hannity/Glenn Beck axis, as well as of the candidates themselves. [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZeVELKTR37s/ScUd9TsYScI/ACU/XvaOKwyr7\ h0/S220/foxnews21propaganda.jpg] By the way Anglachel is blogging again. http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-riverdaughter-says.html Thanks. I'm going to link to Riverdaughter's post because it's relevant to the post Xeno made earlier today about field dependence/independence: http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/sunday-ok-i-think-were-on-to-something-here/ http://tinyurl.com/7xv6r7u
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullsh*t
I'm not sure how such a POV get applied practically. Isn't it kind of presumptive to assume that someone else is coming from ego but you aren't? There is nothing in what you wrote that distinguishes how you are functioning from how I am. And it could just as easily be claimed that the whole presentation is an attempt to maintain your own sense of ego as on top compared to people you are assuming are in a lesser state of development. How could anyone know if I was being more run by my ego than you are? You are presenting your own POV here. In that POV you seem to be pitching the idea that there is a better way of functioning and that you are in that state and are no longer protecting the faux grand story. I believe we could all make a case that somehow we feel differently inside about our own ego so that makes it different. But is it really? How could one demonstrate beyond just asserting it that what you say is accurate? And this is not just an issue with your presentation Jim. It is the issue I have with the whole class of claims that someone is functioning in a superior state of mind. (Yes, I know all the arguments that it is all beyond mind and I don't buy them so far.) How could someone distinguish that I am not functioning in the good way? Certainly not from how we write here and become advocates of our opinions. Your assertion is not discernibly different from my own suspicion that we are functioning in a way that is more similar than different with regard to our self identity or ego. I could concede that you might be functioning with more of the silent aspect of your mind in your awareness as I have experienced, but that doesn't seem to justify the broad epistemological claim that you are perceiving more of what is real, the non faux version of the reality than I experience. From your writing you come off exactly as ego-bound as I do, and just as interested in presenting your POV to the best of your ability. I hope you get that this is not an attack on you Jim. I understand your conviction to your POV and believe you are being sincere in how you are reporting your experience. But I question how accurate it is with regard to anyone else's experience. And I just still don't get how anyone can claim to know the reality of life without being able to demonstrate a single thing that would force others to take such a claim seriously. Now I also get it that ultimately you don't care if anyone believes you or not. But I want to extend this beyond you personally. I am challenging the basis of claims from any other human that they are functioning from a state of whatever and I am not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: All that BS is a great challenge to everybody to determine the truth for themselves. There will be and always have been those who make stuff up for their own self satisfaction. Although it does nothing to further anything, except the one person's agenda, there is no way for the BSer to stop their behavior, because it comes from a fundamental ignorance of themselves. The ego is just getting off on how big it feels for the moment, to compensate for the inadequacies that run its faux existence. With the ego running the show, we are either on top or on the bottom. Naturally, for anyone who is primarily ego driven, all of their actions are focused on their self satisfaction, their bolstering of the grand story of them. Any larger attempt to get at the truth for social interaction or learning is trumped by the desperate need of the ego for self satisfaction. Being run by the ego is not a happy place. For one thing, the discrimination which is normally used to discern experience, leading to learning, becomes perverted, with its main objective being self protection, at all costs (a natural result of Maslow's hierarchy - the most basic thing, ourselves, our identity, our life, come first, whether we know our true selves, or not). There is little learning going on when the ego runs the show. It is all about reactively protecting the grand story. So, our responsibility is to Know Thyself. By doing this, we avoid the ego trap, and also easily recognize it in others, neutralizing their attempts at BS, or at any rate, no longer being concerned about what such a voice says, knowing its true motive has nothing to do with truth or lying, rather that voice is all about protecting the grand story of its faux nature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully. For this
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: snip So if someone appears dishonest, or contrary or fearful to us, it is merely a difference in awareness, and no deliberate attempt at deception or obfuscation. I don't think I buy that with regard to honesty. Surely differences in awareness account for whether a person believes there is *justification* for saying something they know to be false, but you really can't make much of a case that nobody ever attempts to deceive others. So true: Judy:(In a post where she repeatedly accused me of being unethical!) The only ploy Curtis has to rebut this uncomfortable fact is the claim, which he's made in other posts, that I brainwashed all of them into concurring with me, Definitely more of a consciously lying thing than just a difference in awareness. Right. I think you were consciously attempting to deceive and believed it was justified (just as Barry does when *he* attempts to perpetrate that deception): I agree that Judy has set the agenda for this angle and I have to give credit for her forceful personality that so many have taken up this perspective. (And yes I know it is possible that everyone just came to this conclusion independently, but I don't find this as likely.) That's Curtis, responding to a post in which Barry said: *No one else* ever had any doubts about Vaj's TM pedigree until she started her Gotta find a way to demonize Vaj so no one will believe him when he makes valid points campaign. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302040 Well I think it is big of you to cop to your bulls especially in light of your post about how this would be a better place with less deception. As you have proven with this quote, your statement that I had accused you of brainwashing anyone was absurdly false and appreciate your coming clean providing the evidence for me. So the question is, why would you make such an absurd claim knowing that that actual quotes would come out eventually? Can you actually read the quote you gave, and state that it is proof of your statement that I have claimed that you brainwashed people here? Personally I believe you were trying to make your writing more colorful through exaggeration and I can relate to that because I do that myself. The thing is you can't have it both ways. You can't give other people shit for doing exactly what you do. Calling my perception of your influence over some people here brainwashing actually is more entertaining. It is a re-frame that makes my point seem silly. It also relates to Robin's charge, which you seem to share that I take someone's writing into my own context. I believe that is what we all do here and believe that charge is unfair, especially in light of this example.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullsh*t
I would still emphasize personal growth as the antidote for it. It seems like you are talking about the phenomenon of BSing as a social ill that must be combated, like gambling addiction. If that is the case, OK, but I don't think the BSers can be stopped on their own terms, because of what I said earlier. Barring that, if people are taken in by what a BSer says, it just becomes a lesson for them further down the infinite road. The third alternative is to meet the BSer head on, each and every time, but I don't see that as all that useful - doesn't modify the BSer behavior, and does little to change anyone else's mind. Are they any other options? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: While I wouldn't argue against this on the metaphysical level, I'd just point out that it's going to be awhile before we all come to know ourselves. In the meantime, on the practical level, bullsh*tting does a great deal of harm, and we need to learn how to recognize and fight it on that level. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: All that BS is a great challenge to everybody to determine the truth for themselves. There will be and always have been those who make stuff up for their own self satisfaction. Although it does nothing to further anything, except the one person's agenda, there is no way for the BSer to stop their behavior, because it comes from a fundamental ignorance of themselves. The ego is just getting off on how big it feels for the moment, to compensate for the inadequacies that run its faux existence. With the ego running the show, we are either on top or on the bottom. Naturally, for anyone who is primarily ego driven, all of their actions are focused on their self satisfaction, their bolstering of the grand story of them. Any larger attempt to get at the truth for social interaction or learning is trumped by the desperate need of the ego for self satisfaction. Being run by the ego is not a happy place. For one thing, the discrimination which is normally used to discern experience, leading to learning, becomes perverted, with its main objective being self protection, at all costs (a natural result of Maslow's hierarchy - the most basic thing, ourselves, our identity, our life, come first, whether we know our true selves, or not). There is little learning going on when the ego runs the show. It is all about reactively protecting the grand story. So, our responsibility is to Know Thyself. By doing this, we avoid the ego trap, and also easily recognize it in others, neutralizing their attempts at BS, or at any rate, no longer being concerned about what such a voice says, knowing its true motive has nothing to do with truth or lying, rather that voice is all about protecting the grand story of its faux nature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully. For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same way that bullsh*tting tends toThe bullsh*tter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullsh*t is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.--Harry G. Frankfurt, On Bullsh*t [asterisks added] Judy, thank you for respecting FFLife's delicate sensibilities by placing a modest fig leaf asterisk on bullsh*t's pooper. I was actually respecting Yahoo's delicate sensibilities (or not respecting them, actually, just figuring it would be safer to cater to them). Buck appreciates it. Point well taken. Media propaganda keeps getting worse. Obviously, it's a huge threat to our democracy. I've never seen so much Republican bullsh*t in a primary. The clown car just keeps giving. Oh, it's just overwhelming. And it really *is* bullsh*it, as Frankfurt defines it above, not just lies. We've got a couple bullsh*tters on FFL as well. They keep reminding me of the Limbaugh/Hannity/Glenn Beck axis, as well as of the candidates themselves. [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZeVELKTR37s/ScUd9TsYScI/ACU/XvaOKwyr7\ h0/S220/foxnews21propaganda.jpg] By the way Anglachel is blogging again. http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-riverdaughter-says.html Thanks. I'm going to link to Riverdaughter's post because it's relevant to the post Xeno made earlier today
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: World Science: Of mice and frogs, a vacume 4 CO2 removal good news here
From: emailn...@world-science.net To: emailn...@world-science.net Sent: 1/30/2012 6:01:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: World Science: Of mice and frogs, and their songs * _Mice sing too, scientists find_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120127_mouse-song) : Male house mice produce melodious songs to attract mates, not unlike many birds, according to new research. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120127_mouse-song * _Frog said to describe its home through song_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111221_emei) : In its mating calls, a type of frog in China conveys the physical properties of its burrow, scientists say. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111221_emei * _Oldest known dino nesting site found_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120124_eggs) : A practice of using the same nesting sites repeatedly and in groups may have originated earlier than previously known, scientists say. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120124_eggs * _Scientists plan to take picture of black hole_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120118_blackhole) : A endeavor that a few years ago would have been regarded as outrageous is now very realistic, astronomers claim. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120118_blackhole * _Violin shocker? Blind test said to show old master fiddles not so special_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120102_stradivari) : Generations of musicians have revered violins made by a handful of 18th-century craftsmen, most famously Antonio Stradivari. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120102_stradivari * _First Earth-sized planets beyond Solar System reported_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111220_earthsized) : While probably too hot to live on, they're still a likely milestone in the search for alien life, scientists say. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111220_earthsized ADDITIONAL NEWS * _Arabia identified as key stop in early human migrations_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120128_migration) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120128_migration * _Study: Lifelong criminality may stem from genes_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120126_genes-crime) http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120126_genes-crime * _Bad-boy looks are measurable and may really predict bad deeds, study concludes_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120107_facialstructure) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120107_facialstructure * _Leftists and rightists found to look at things differently -- literally_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120125_eyes) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120125_eyes * _Comet dies on film, leaving trail of mystery_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120121_comet) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120121_comet * _Empathy? It seems we can't even spare it for ourselves_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120120_empathy) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120120_empathy * _Ancient South Americans ate popcorn, study finds_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120118_popcorn) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120118_popcorn * _European birds seen falling behind in race to adapt to warmer world_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120117_warming) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120117_warming * _Ill-designed economic bailouts threaten nature, advocates warn_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120112_bailouts) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120112_bailouts * _Newfound frog dubbed tiniest known backboned animal_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120111_frog) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120111_frog * _New materials may vacuum up CO2, culprit in global warming_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120109_CO2) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120109_CO2 * _Antarctic seafloor geyser found hosting strange community_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120103_vent) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120103_vent * _Decisionmaking by great apes found unexpectedly complex_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111230_apes) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111230_apes * _Cotton fabrics may clean themselves under sunlight_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111228_cleaning) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111228_cleaning * _Boosting your schooling may enhance your IQ_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111226_education) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111226_education * _Fed string theory, computer reportedly explains our 3D space_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111223_string) : http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111223_string * _Pigeons found to measure up in numbers game_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/111223_pigeons.htm) :
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullsh*t
No offense taken. Yeah, you bring up that perennial question about how do you really know that I know what I am talking about? I have no answer other than trying to express myself as clearly as possible. What I am describing is of course, just MY experience. I am comparing my former life as ego bound, with my life now, which is not. I am making a comparison between how blind and unhappy I was previously, with a transforming sense of freedom and real responsibility in the moment, as I live now. Of course, it is impossible for the goldfish to see the water, so I was unable to take this perspective when I was bound by my grand story. As for you seeing this as an ego bound expression of mine, I can't do anything about that. As for you seeing this as my attempt to define a higher level of functioning, I am, but not in some ego bound way to aggrandize myself. No, it is describing the functioning of universal synchronicity vs. its reverse. As I said before, this universal syncrony is the most basic and fundamental way of functioning, simply because everything in the universe functions this way. That is all. There are techniques to help us there. Its like graduating from college. Some do, some don't. Its a choice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I'm not sure how such a POV get applied practically. Isn't it kind of presumptive to assume that someone else is coming from ego but you aren't? There is nothing in what you wrote that distinguishes how you are functioning from how I am. And it could just as easily be claimed that the whole presentation is an attempt to maintain your own sense of ego as on top compared to people you are assuming are in a lesser state of development. How could anyone know if I was being more run by my ego than you are? You are presenting your own POV here. In that POV you seem to be pitching the idea that there is a better way of functioning and that you are in that state and are no longer protecting the faux grand story. I believe we could all make a case that somehow we feel differently inside about our own ego so that makes it different. But is it really? How could one demonstrate beyond just asserting it that what you say is accurate? And this is not just an issue with your presentation Jim. It is the issue I have with the whole class of claims that someone is functioning in a superior state of mind. (Yes, I know all the arguments that it is all beyond mind and I don't buy them so far.) How could someone distinguish that I am not functioning in the good way? Certainly not from how we write here and become advocates of our opinions. Your assertion is not discernibly different from my own suspicion that we are functioning in a way that is more similar than different with regard to our self identity or ego. I could concede that you might be functioning with more of the silent aspect of your mind in your awareness as I have experienced, but that doesn't seem to justify the broad epistemological claim that you are perceiving more of what is real, the non faux version of the reality than I experience. From your writing you come off exactly as ego-bound as I do, and just as interested in presenting your POV to the best of your ability. I hope you get that this is not an attack on you Jim. I understand your conviction to your POV and believe you are being sincere in how you are reporting your experience. But I question how accurate it is with regard to anyone else's experience. And I just still don't get how anyone can claim to know the reality of life without being able to demonstrate a single thing that would force others to take such a claim seriously. Now I also get it that ultimately you don't care if anyone believes you or not. But I want to extend this beyond you personally. I am challenging the basis of claims from any other human that they are functioning from a state of whatever and I am not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: All that BS is a great challenge to everybody to determine the truth for themselves. There will be and always have been those who make stuff up for their own self satisfaction. Although it does nothing to further anything, except the one person's agenda, there is no way for the BSer to stop their behavior, because it comes from a fundamental ignorance of themselves. The ego is just getting off on how big it feels for the moment, to compensate for the inadequacies that run its faux existence. With the ego running the show, we are either on top or on the bottom. Naturally, for anyone who is primarily ego driven, all of their actions are focused on their self satisfaction, their bolstering of the grand story of them. Any larger attempt to get at the truth for social interaction or learning is trumped by
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: R ( snip)comes to mind. : ) Excellent point. Everything I said is for people who abide by the basics of the social contract and are not being malicious or going beyond the boundaries of whatever context they are in. (like the rules of this forum) And it is with such people that we find our ideals for freedom challenged. But up to that point I'd say the more diverse the merrier. And that certainly doesn't limit a person having preferences. But your point is important, there might be someone reading what I wrote and think it applied to people attempting to do harm, and that would be wrong. I guess I usually assume that posters here, with their long practice of the most powerful technique for developing mental potential (yea TM!) would not be that stupid. But your point is well taken, there might actually be someone that dim. Who knows how dim they would have been without TM huh? Oh and thanks for your kind concern, my name maliciously connected with slander has dropped below the top 10 of Google now that the proper boundaries for protecting posters here was applied, so time will heal this wound and I appreciate your sensitivity in this matter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The world would be the better place! First I don't cavil you. I point out your elitist triumphalism as a response to your expressions of it. Second, your better world involves more people who think as you do. That is the exact opposite of the world I enjoy just as it is. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwgRVR4F9dM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwgRVR4F9dM Take us away upon meru plateaus Far far away from fears and shadow Strengthen our heart in times of sorrow Light the way to bright tomorrows Heaven hides nothing in its measure Mortal men blinded by false treasure Formless and vanquished we shall travel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMjebrMLcY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMjebrMLcY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NoxLvuyow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NoxLvuyow Oh, lost seekers Forget All the values of past eras Oh, lost dreamers Find hope In the valley of the promise! O la flama riposa/oh restingflame/ o la ombra dispare/oh disappearing shadow/O la noce immortale/oh unending night/ O la voce murmure/oh whispering voice To know, to feel, to play me once again Do you denote...?: Enchanting elves take me away from third eyes crying--- Take me away from time and season Far far away we'll sing without reason Prepare a throne of stars above us As the world once known will leave us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyj2Ip4o3Sk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyj2Ip4o3Sk Kneel (dream within dream we travel) In silence (empires of faith unravel) Alone (sealed with our virtues' treasures) Imagine kingdoms falling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Just as a followup, Susan, there are experiences I've had that are MUCH weirder than any I ever had while in Rama's presence, and thus of another order entirely. There is one experience that happened when I was thousands of miles away from him, had nothing to do with him, but was pretty amazing. Why it's fascinating to me is that I was with someone else who saw exactly the same thing I did, and who to this day describes it exactly as I do. There was no setup for having this experience, no expectation of having it, nada. It just happened. So the two of us (my best friend and I) have only each other to rely on when it comes to describing it. Most of the time we don't, because it's much more unbelievable in a way than having seen deities. The only thing we know is THAT we saw it. How we saw it, or whether it really existed and could have been photographed or whether we were seeing into some alternate reality...that stuff we can't really talk about, because neither of us has any clue as to the how or actual what involved. I'll refrain from going into more detail at this point, because it would just become fodder for those who live to dump on me already. I suspect you understand. :-) I do understand. And I hope to hear the story some day. Thank for your replies. I am at work and cannot give them the time and consideration they deserve. Thanks again - your experiences get to the crux of the whole issue, imo Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the whole issue. I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started even before I told the story. :-) This is your opportunity ( and the opportunity equally afforded to lurkers ) to determine whether Barry is bullsitting you ( some of us are not afraid of words, and thus less prone to asteriskize them :-) or telling you the absolute truth, as he experienced it and remembers it. I do not tell this story often, or lightly, for what will become apparent reasons. Tell someone you had a vision of Jzus, or Krishna, or even a ghost or a UFO, and most people will cut you some slack. Tell them you saw certain other things, not so much. The story ( which will be a little long, because I'm going to do my best with the telling of it ) dates from a period of time in which I was studying with Rama, but was not with him. We were living in New York at the time, and many of us were missing the Southwest Big Time. Perceiving this, he had scheduled a big group Road Trip. We would fly into Phoenix and then spend a week and a half traveling to various power places in that area, just to meditate and have adventures there. My cuppa tea. So my girlfriend ( who also studied with Rama at that time ) and I made arrangements to go on this trip. We booked vacation time away from work, the full tamale. And then Rama got a burr up his butt about something ( I honestly don't remember what ) and cancelled the trip. He gave all of us students a big Fuck you! for what we'd done or hadn't done. Drama queen...what can I say? :-) My girlfriend and I looked at each other and replied mentally with a big, New York No, fuck you! and decided to go anyway. So we did. We flew into Phoenix and I rented a big, campable 4WD vehicle, and we set off to see places like the Grand Canyon, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, Bandelier, and other just scorchin' power places in that area. We hiked and medi- tated there and then moved on to the next place. The weird story comes from one of those moving on's. We'd spent the day -- the Summer Solstice if I remember correctly -- hiking and meditating and grooving on Monument Valley. Even if you've never been there, you have seen the place in hundreds of movies. It's one of the most spectacular places on earth, and IMO one of its most powerful. We watched the sun set while watching Navajo dancers and musicians play in the parking lot of the National Park, and it was WAY magical, up there in my Top Ten Sunsets Ever. Then we hopped into the car and drove down to the only motel in the area, expecting to find a room there, as I always had in the past. Bad idea. Motel booked. So we could either backtrack into the dreary motel town 30 miles in the opposite direction that we were heading, or we could just say What the fuck and drive North. We drove North. That drive followed maps that...ahem...failed to convey the steepness and looking-over-the-edge-of-a-high-precipice- seeing-your-death-at-every-turn-of-the-gravel-road of the route I chose. Hey...mea culpa. I'm the one who hadn't had the good sense to pre-book a motel room. While in Road Trip Mind, I am not always the most sentient of beings. :-) But we finally made it up to the top of the winding canyon pass and onto a two-lane blacktop that couldn't have been more straight if God had done the measuring. The
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwgRVR4F9dM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwgRVR4F9dM Take us away upon meru plateaus Far far away from fears and shadow Strengthen our heart in times of sorrow Light the way to bright tomorrows Heaven hides nothing in its measure Mortal men blinded by false treasure Formless and vanquished we shall travel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMjebrMLcY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMjebrMLcY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NoxLvuyow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NoxLvuyow Oh, lost seekers Forget All the values of past eras Oh, lost dreamers Find hope In the valley of the promise! oh resting flame/ oh disappearing shadow/oh unending night/oh whispering voice To know, to feel, to play me once again Do you denote...?: Enchanting elves take me away from third eyes crying--- Take me away from time and season Far far away we'll sing without reason Prepare a throne of stars above us As the world once known will leave us Enchanting elves take me away Away from third eyes crying--- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyj2Ip4o3Sk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyj2Ip4o3Sk Kneel (dream within dream we travel) In silence (empires of faith unravel) Alone (sealed with our virtues' treasures) Imagined kingdoms falling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Fullest Expression of Yourself
What Oprah Knows for Sure About Finding the Fullest Expression of Yourself http://www.oprah.com/health/Oprah-on-Stillness-and-Meditation-Oprah-Visits-Fairfield-Iowa#ixzz1kkDG3PCF
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
Why not try to contact the dragon now? You have a clear recollection of it. I'll bet you can bring the dragon back if you want to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Just as a followup, Susan, there are experiences I've had that are MUCH weirder than any I ever had while in Rama's presence, and thus of another order entirely. There is one experience that happened when I was thousands of miles away from him, had nothing to do with him, but was pretty amazing. Why it's fascinating to me is that I was with someone else who saw exactly the same thing I did, and who to this day describes it exactly as I do. There was no setup for having this experience, no expectation of having it, nada. It just happened. So the two of us (my best friend and I) have only each other to rely on when it comes to describing it. Most of the time we don't, because it's much more unbelievable in a way than having seen deities. The only thing we know is THAT we saw it. How we saw it, or whether it really existed and could have been photographed or whether we were seeing into some alternate reality...that stuff we can't really talk about, because neither of us has any clue as to the how or actual what involved. I'll refrain from going into more detail at this point, because it would just become fodder for those who live to dump on me already. I suspect you understand. :-) I do understand. And I hope to hear the story some day. Thank for your replies. I am at work and cannot give them the time and consideration they deserve. Thanks again - your experiences get to the crux of the whole issue, imo Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the whole issue. I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started even before I told the story. :-) This is your opportunity ( and the opportunity equally afforded to lurkers ) to determine whether Barry is bullsitting you ( some of us are not afraid of words, and thus less prone to asteriskize them :-) or telling you the absolute truth, as he experienced it and remembers it. I do not tell this story often, or lightly, for what will become apparent reasons. Tell someone you had a vision of Jzus, or Krishna, or even a ghost or a UFO, and most people will cut you some slack. Tell them you saw certain other things, not so much. The story ( which will be a little long, because I'm going to do my best with the telling of it ) dates from a period of time in which I was studying with Rama, but was not with him. We were living in New York at the time, and many of us were missing the Southwest Big Time. Perceiving this, he had scheduled a big group Road Trip. We would fly into Phoenix and then spend a week and a half traveling to various power places in that area, just to meditate and have adventures there. My cuppa tea. So my girlfriend ( who also studied with Rama at that time ) and I made arrangements to go on this trip. We booked vacation time away from work, the full tamale. And then Rama got a burr up his butt about something ( I honestly don't remember what ) and cancelled the trip. He gave all of us students a big Fuck you! for what we'd done or hadn't done. Drama queen...what can I say? :-) My girlfriend and I looked at each other and replied mentally with a big, New York No, fuck you! and decided to go anyway. So we did. We flew into Phoenix and I rented a big, campable 4WD vehicle, and we set off to see places like the Grand Canyon, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, Bandelier, and other just scorchin' power places in that area. We hiked and medi- tated there and then moved on to the next place. The weird story comes from one of those moving on's. We'd spent the day -- the Summer Solstice if I remember correctly -- hiking and meditating and grooving on Monument Valley. Even if you've never been there, you have seen the place in hundreds of movies. It's one of the most spectacular places on earth, and IMO one of its most powerful. We watched the sun set while watching Navajo dancers and musicians play in the parking lot of the National Park, and it was WAY magical, up there in my Top Ten Sunsets Ever. Then we hopped into the car and drove down to the only motel in the area, expecting to find a room there, as I always had in the past. Bad idea. Motel booked. So we could either backtrack into the dreary motel town 30 miles in the opposite direction that we were heading, or we could just say What the fuck and drive North. We drove North. That drive followed maps that...ahem...failed to convey the steepness and looking-over-the-edge-of-a-high-precipice- seeing-your-death-at-every-turn-of-the-gravel-road of the route I chose. Hey...mea culpa. I'm the one who
[FairfieldLife] Re: The problem Atheists have
And then he'd let anyone who contributed go through their spiel about what they saw without interruption or comment, no coaxing or rewards for having gotten it right. The most he'd do is *at the end* of such a session, comment on who was more right than others, or on whose seeing was more correct. authfriend: This, however, is *really* interesting, given that more right and more correct are phrases--concepts, in fact-- that you normally scorn... It doesn't even make any sense - how could an *opinion* be more right or more correct? LoL! In my view, no one on this planet has the market cornered on Truth. It's a planet full of individuals with individual opinions, none of which are inherently more superior than others. - TurquoiseB http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/303104
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity
saha nau avatu . saha nau bhunaktu . saha viiryaM karavaavahai . tejasvi nau; adhiitam astu maa vidviSaavahai . cardemaister: Just for fun, 'karavaavahai'... Recently in 1990, unverified reports of Sri Chakra Geoglyph appeared mysteriously as massive earth etching in dry bed of a lake east of Steens mountain about 70 miles south east of Burns, Oregon. Sri Yantra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Yantra
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: snip So if someone appears dishonest, or contrary or fearful to us, it is merely a difference in awareness, and no deliberate attempt at deception or obfuscation. I don't think I buy that with regard to honesty. Surely differences in awareness account for whether a person believes there is *justification* for saying something they know to be false, but you really can't make much of a case that nobody ever attempts to deceive others. So true: Judy:(In a post where she repeatedly accused me of being unethical!) The only ploy Curtis has to rebut this uncomfortable fact is the claim, which he's made in other posts, that I brainwashed all of them into concurring with me, Definitely more of a consciously lying thing than just a difference in awareness. Right. I think you were consciously attempting to deceive and believed it was justified (just as Barry does when *he* attempts to perpetrate that deception): I agree that Judy has set the agenda for this angle and I have to give credit for her forceful personality that so many have taken up this perspective. (And yes I know it is possible that everyone just came to this conclusion independently, but I don't find this as likely.) That's Curtis, responding to a post in which Barry said: *No one else* ever had any doubts about Vaj's TM pedigree until she started her Gotta find a way to demonize Vaj so no one will believe him when he makes valid points campaign. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302040 Well I think it is big of you to cop to your bulls especially in light of your post about how this would be a better place with less deception. As you have proven with this quote, your statement that I had accused you of brainwashing anyone was absurdly false and appreciate your coming clean providing the evidence for me. Oh, so it's a matter of quibbling over words, is it? Brainwashing is an attempt on my part to deceive, but it's entirely truthful that my being such a forceful personality that if others express a perspective similar to mine, it's most likely they adopted it from me rather than having come to it independently? Isn't that a bit, er, Clintonesque? Sorta like it would have been absurdly false to contend that Clinton had sex with Lewinsky when all that had taken place was blowjobs? So the question is, why would you make such an absurd claim knowing that that actual quotes would come out eventually? Can you actually read the quote you gave, and state that it is proof of your statement that I have claimed that you brainwashed people here? Given that one of the two dictionary definitions of brainwashing is persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship, yes, I do believe so. And we can check the definition of salesmanship too: ability or effectiveness in selling or in presenting persuasively. I have to give [Judy] credit for her forceful personality that so many have taken up this perspective. Seems awfully damn close to me. Closer even than the difference between onstage and in a private home, or between during seminars and not during seminars, don't you think? Personally I believe you were trying to make your writing more colorful through exaggeration and I can relate to that because I do that myself. The thing is you can't have it both ways. You can't give other people shit for doing exactly what you do. Find an example, please, of my having given you shit for an equivalent degree of exaggeration represented in this instance by brainwashing. Calling my perception of your influence over some people here brainwashing actually is more entertaining. It is a re-frame that makes my point seem silly. It was silly as you originally stated it, Curtis. Brainwashing isn't a re-frame, it's a term that's commonly used to refer to exactly what you described. But it's silly in terms of the extent of my influence, and it's even sillier when you look at the traffic about the specific issue of Vaj's TM credentials, both here and earlier on alt.m.t. It also relates to Robin's charge, which you seem to share that I take someone's writing into my own context. I believe that is what we all do here and believe that charge is unfair, especially in light of this example. Given the givens, I'd say this is a perfect example of your tendency to impose your own context even when it doesn't fit. Your attempt to make me responsible for others' distrust of Vaj is, in fact, the re-frame. Further, your
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Premodaya: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/30/2012
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of merudanda Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:26 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Premodaya: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/30/2012 looking forward your video Rick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZxfvTc0ito http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZxfvTc0itofeature=player_embedded feature=player_embedded http://tinyurl.com/7c9yksv video will be up tomorrow.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullsh*t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: I would still emphasize personal growth as the antidote for it. It seems like you are talking about the phenomenon of BSing as a social ill that must be combated, like gambling addiction. On the practical level, yes. If that is the case, OK, but I don't think the BSers can be stopped on their own terms, because of what I said earlier. Barring that, if people are taken in by what a BSer says, it just becomes a lesson for them further down the infinite road. In many cases it doesn't have to be. A forceful response to BSing can both teach the same lesson and mitigate the harm done by the BS. The third alternative is to meet the BSer head on, each and every time, but I don't see that as all that useful - doesn't modify the BSer behavior, and does little to change anyone else's mind. Better tell Curtis and Barry that. They seem to believe they can change others' minds by maintaining that the force of my personality is the only reason anybody shares my perspective. Are they any other options? Yes, work on both the practical and metaphysical levels at once. As I said, I don't disagree at all with your metaphysical analysis of the reasons for BSing. I just think it needs to be combatted on the practical level *as well as* doing whatever is possible to remedy the metaphysical basis for BS. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: While I wouldn't argue against this on the metaphysical level, I'd just point out that it's going to be awhile before we all come to know ourselves. In the meantime, on the practical level, bullsh*tting does a great deal of harm, and we need to learn how to recognize and fight it on that level. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: All that BS is a great challenge to everybody to determine the truth for themselves. There will be and always have been those who make stuff up for their own self satisfaction. Although it does nothing to further anything, except the one person's agenda, there is no way for the BSer to stop their behavior, because it comes from a fundamental ignorance of themselves. The ego is just getting off on how big it feels for the moment, to compensate for the inadequacies that run its faux existence. With the ego running the show, we are either on top or on the bottom. Naturally, for anyone who is primarily ego driven, all of their actions are focused on their self satisfaction, their bolstering of the grand story of them. Any larger attempt to get at the truth for social interaction or learning is trumped by the desperate need of the ego for self satisfaction. Being run by the ego is not a happy place. For one thing, the discrimination which is normally used to discern experience, leading to learning, becomes perverted, with its main objective being self protection, at all costs (a natural result of Maslow's hierarchy - the most basic thing, ourselves, our identity, our life, come first, whether we know our true selves, or not). There is little learning going on when the ego runs the show. It is all about reactively protecting the grand story. So, our responsibility is to Know Thyself. By doing this, we avoid the ego trap, and also easily recognize it in others, neutralizing their attempts at BS, or at any rate, no longer being concerned about what such a voice says, knowing its true motive has nothing to do with truth or lying, rather that voice is all about protecting the grand story of its faux nature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully. For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same way that bullsh*tting tends toThe bullsh*tter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullsh*t is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.--Harry G. Frankfurt, On Bullsh*t [asterisks added] Judy, thank you for respecting FFLife's delicate sensibilities by placing a modest fig leaf asterisk on bullsh*t's pooper. I was actually respecting Yahoo's delicate sensibilities (or not respecting them, actually, just figuring it would be safer to cater to them). Buck appreciates it. Point well taken.
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the whole issue. I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started even before I told the story. :-) No, they didn't. See, folks, this is BS as Frankfurt defined it in that quote I posted. Barry doesn't even *care* what the facts are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullsh*t
At this point, it is probably more a matter of personal preference regarding how each of us deals with a 'bullsitter'. I appreciate your efforts and have found you to be scrupulous in your observations. As for the charge that any of us on here are unable to think for ourselves, it is obviously not true. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: I would still emphasize personal growth as the antidote for it. It seems like you are talking about the phenomenon of BSing as a social ill that must be combated, like gambling addiction. On the practical level, yes. If that is the case, OK, but I don't think the BSers can be stopped on their own terms, because of what I said earlier. Barring that, if people are taken in by what a BSer says, it just becomes a lesson for them further down the infinite road. In many cases it doesn't have to be. A forceful response to BSing can both teach the same lesson and mitigate the harm done by the BS. The third alternative is to meet the BSer head on, each and every time, but I don't see that as all that useful - doesn't modify the BSer behavior, and does little to change anyone else's mind. Better tell Curtis and Barry that. They seem to believe they can change others' minds by maintaining that the force of my personality is the only reason anybody shares my perspective. Are they any other options? Yes, work on both the practical and metaphysical levels at once. As I said, I don't disagree at all with your metaphysical analysis of the reasons for BSing. I just think it needs to be combatted on the practical level *as well as* doing whatever is possible to remedy the metaphysical basis for BS. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: While I wouldn't argue against this on the metaphysical level, I'd just point out that it's going to be awhile before we all come to know ourselves. In the meantime, on the practical level, bullsh*tting does a great deal of harm, and we need to learn how to recognize and fight it on that level. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: All that BS is a great challenge to everybody to determine the truth for themselves. There will be and always have been those who make stuff up for their own self satisfaction. Although it does nothing to further anything, except the one person's agenda, there is no way for the BSer to stop their behavior, because it comes from a fundamental ignorance of themselves. The ego is just getting off on how big it feels for the moment, to compensate for the inadequacies that run its faux existence. With the ego running the show, we are either on top or on the bottom. Naturally, for anyone who is primarily ego driven, all of their actions are focused on their self satisfaction, their bolstering of the grand story of them. Any larger attempt to get at the truth for social interaction or learning is trumped by the desperate need of the ego for self satisfaction. Being run by the ego is not a happy place. For one thing, the discrimination which is normally used to discern experience, leading to learning, becomes perverted, with its main objective being self protection, at all costs (a natural result of Maslow's hierarchy - the most basic thing, ourselves, our identity, our life, come first, whether we know our true selves, or not). There is little learning going on when the ego runs the show. It is all about reactively protecting the grand story. So, our responsibility is to Know Thyself. By doing this, we avoid the ego trap, and also easily recognize it in others, neutralizing their attempts at BS, or at any rate, no longer being concerned about what such a voice says, knowing its true motive has nothing to do with truth or lying, rather that voice is all about protecting the grand story of its faux nature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully. For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same way that bullsh*tting tends toThe bullsh*tter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
When I first saw his comment, I thought he meant his own panic attacks. :-) Seriously, I think most people have BW's number when he wants to troll - its no big deal. Those that don't, get it soon enough. In this case he is feeling vulnerable and small. Why not just let him? I understand your attempt to shine a light on this behavior but that is a rational approach to irrational behavior. How can you make progress that way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the whole issue. I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started even before I told the story. :-) No, they didn't. See, folks, this is BS as Frankfurt defined it in that quote I posted. Barry doesn't even *care* what the facts are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Xeno, was 1980(below) when Maharishi started using the 'invincibility' language-ing? Maharishi said 1977 was to be the Year of Invincibility. http://www.globalcountry.org.uk/viewnewsletter.php?ID=20090723142634 He said 2008 would the Year of Invincibility - Global Raam Raj, and continued that theme until he died, I think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hans Zimmer - Time
No, I didn't. I saw that movie though and liked it. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hans Zimmer - Time Do you recognize the sound track for this? It is from the movie Inception. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Nice images in this piece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuAGGZNfUkUfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
You are welcome. I got the reference to Philip Glass from the video telling the story of the Bhagavad Gita that Buck sent. He was on of the speakers and is also a composer. He did the score for the movie The Hours, which I never saw, but may now. You may already know this :). From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it very much, very much. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot . A lot. A lot. I like it. I like it. Very much. Very much. I like it. I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Message from the Zen Garden
The cat next door made some footprints the other night on the garden that looked like artwork on a canvas depicting the path of a bird as it flew by a tree. I interpret the work to mean: Life is good. JR
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
I want to clarify that when I use the term irrational below, it is not synonymous with crazy. I am not out to get anybody. It simply means a behavior not motivated by reason, but instead, feeling. Preserving or protecting one's own identity is much more about feeling than reason. That is all I meant by irrational in this case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: When I first saw his comment, I thought he meant his own panic attacks. :-) Seriously, I think most people have BW's number when he wants to troll - its no big deal. Those that don't, get it soon enough. In this case he is feeling vulnerable and small. Why not just let him? I understand your attempt to shine a light on this behavior but that is a rational approach to irrational behavior. How can you make progress that way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the whole issue. I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started even before I told the story. :-) No, they didn't. See, folks, this is BS as Frankfurt defined it in that quote I posted. Barry doesn't even *care* what the facts are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message from the Zen Garden
must've been Pablo PiCATso... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: The cat next door made some footprints the other night on the garden that looked like artwork on a canvas depicting the path of a bird as it flew by a tree. I interpret the work to mean: Life is good. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
It may not have been apparent, but I was in fact making a very feeble Philip Glass joke. Here's another one: Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Philip Glass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: You are welcome.  I got the reference to Philip Glass from the video telling the story of the Bhagavad Gita that Buck sent.  He was on of the speakers and is also a composer.  He did the score for the movie The Hours, which I never saw, but may now.  You may already know this :). From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts  I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it very much, very much. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot . A lot. A lot. I like it. I like it. Very much. Very much. I like it. I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: Why not try to contact the dragon now? You have a clear recollection of it. I'll bet you can bring the dragon back if you want to. What makes you think The Dragon wants to see those two again ? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
Yes, I'm not one of the smarter meditators here, but I'm humble on that point. I actually liked it and haven't been privy to him - this joke goes over my head as well, unless you are pointing out that repetition is his gig in a lot of the music he composes. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts It may not have been apparent, but I was in fact making a very feeble Philip Glass joke. Here's another one: Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Philip Glass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: You are welcome.  I got the reference to Philip Glass from the video telling the story of the Bhagavad Gita that Buck sent.  He was on of the speakers and is also a composer.  He did the score for the movie The Hours, which I never saw, but may now.  You may already know this :). From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts  I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it very much, very much. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot . A lot. A lot. I like it. I like it. Very much. Very much. I like it. I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] No wait. Here's how Edg will find God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=CQ-MYJPtR8c Here's some Polish riders showing how the Trikke Skki can buzz the slopes. Ain't no one having more fun on snow. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Physics and Consciousness
Broad is the road that leads to death, And thousands walk together there; But *wisdom* shows a narrow path, With here and there and traveler. Deny thyself and make thy spiritual practice, Is the Redeeming great command. Nature must count its gold but dross, If thee would gain this heav'nly land. The fearful soul that tires and faints, And walks the way of Spirituality no more Is but esteemed here almost a saint And makes his own destruction sure. O Unified Field, let not all our hopes be vain, Create our hearts entirely new, Which hypocrites could ne'er attain, Which false apostates never knew. Fabulous lecture series: We are pleased to announce a special webcast, The Origin of the Universe and the Nature of Consciousness, by Dr. John Hagelin, world-renowned quantum physicist and Director of the Transcendental Meditation program for the United States. During its premiere showing in 2011, more than 7,000 people watched this fascinating and inspiring presentation. This talk, specially prepared for practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation® and TM-Sidhi® programs, is now available online until February 28. Please click here to watch the video: http://www.tm.org/hagelin/ http://www.tm.org/hagelin/ This should be required viewing by all here. In this talk, Dr. Hagelin takes us on a fascinating tour of the origin of the universe, the nature of consciousness, and the vast range of human potential.
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: But it sure was fun. And if Ron's dragon lore has anything of truth about it, I want to publicly thank that dragon for allowing me to see it. You were just fuckin' AWESOME, dude. May you fly forever. And if I ever see you again, next time I'm going to fuckin' stop the car and try to have a conversation with you. Just sayin'. This is your year man. This is your year. It's even said to be an auspicious time to have a child, if you are so inclined. (-: On another note, from my weird thoughts department, does it seem like the Year of the Dragon is getting a little more notice than usual, and not because a dragon is cooler than a rat say, but because China just has more clout. They've appropriated our jobs, they've pretty much, along with India and Brazil, appropriated our middle class, they've appropriated our new frontier of green energy manufacturing, which was supposed to be our saving grace. They are a becoming the economic super power everyone looks up to, while we're, literally, building a bigger bomb. Don't get me wrong. I still have enough Republican in me to feel safer with a strong defense. By the way, did anyone hear the interview on Diane Rehm with Zbigniew Brzezinski? I only heard little bits, but he impressed me as a very clear thinker. Anyway, supper's waiting and I gotta get to it. Thanks for the story, Barry. A good story teller!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Presents $1 Million Check to Veterans of America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc0SSk6tTtcfeature=channel_video_title Going forward with meditation, this is an extremely wonderful program and gift. I notice there is no mention made of Maharishi or the Raja TMo in this presentation. In the secular world that is proly some very wise position marketing. Well, as a hockey player it was something I noticed first about starting TM was the presence of mind it gave even within the fights and conflict of ice hockey. I'd recommend meditating to anyone going in to military service. Meditation is a fantastic adjunct to war, just like it is told in the Gita. It would be so particularly useful to those who are veterans coming out of the military. This is an extremely compassionate program in concept that these most well-meaning of people are going forward with. This is gift money very well donated.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] No wait. Here's how Edg will find God.
And here I thought it was a new teaching device. Ha. I think I like hands free skiing better, but I am an excellent skier. However, that is after many years of lessons starting at the tender age of 8 and lots of practice. Go for it. Skiing is a great sport and hard for adults to master, when they begin as adults. This looks like the perfect way to keep one's joints and bones intact :) From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] No wait. Here's how Edg will find God. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=CQ-MYJPtR8c Here's some Polish riders showing how the Trikke Skki can buzz the slopes. Ain't no one having more fun on snow. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message from the Zen Garden
That's a good nickname for him. I'll use that name the next time I post about his works. Pablo Picatso has a ring to it! JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: must've been Pablo PiCATso... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: The cat next door made some footprints the other night on the garden that looked like artwork on a canvas depicting the path of a bird as it flew by a tree. I interpret the work to mean: Life is good. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: No wait. Here's how Edg will find God.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: And here I thought it was a new teaching device. Â Ha. Â I think I like hands free skiing better, but I am an excellent skier. However, that is after many years of lessons starting at the tender age of 8 and lots of practice. Â Go for it. Â Skiing is a great sport and hard for adults to master, when they begin as adults. Â This looks like the perfect way to keep one's joints and bones intact :) Â Unless you wipe out that is, and then it looks like a good way to break them. At least if you're Trikke Skiing. Not to mention anyway who might be nearby. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] No wait. Here's how Edg will find God. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=CQ-MYJPtR8c Here's some Polish riders showing how the Trikke Skki can buzz the slopes. Ain't no one having more fun on snow. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Sting - Fragile
Beautiful video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB6a-iD6ZOYob=av2e
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
Bhairitu creates incredibly lucid posting dreams lately â Schubert one of the least intellectual-smart of composers may help leaving behind lucid dreamy night kiss the sunshine in the morning bright knowing the game so let us play play again and again and again together leaving the lucid night this posting Trio taking each the instrument of choice saha vÄ«ryaá¹ karavÄvahai(May this light strengthen our friendship ) tejasvinÄvadhÄ«tamastu mÄ vidviá¹£Ävahai (May our life be brilliant, may we never misunderstand) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFcGgmWStnM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFcGgmWStnM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Yes, I'm not one of the smarter meditators here, but I'm humble on that point. I actually liked it and haven't been privy to him - this joke goes over my head as well, unless you are pointing out that repetition is his gig in a lot of the music he composes. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts It may not have been apparent, but I was in fact making a very feeble Philip Glass joke. Here's another one: Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Philip Glass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: You are welcome. à I got the reference to Philip Glass from the video telling the story of the Bhagavad Gita that Buck sent. à He was on of the speakers and is also a composer. à He did the score for the movie The Hours, which I never saw, but may now. à You may already know this :). From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts à I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it very much, very much. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot . A lot. A lot. I like it. I like it. Very much. Very much. I like it. I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
knock -knock- sneak- sneak [;)] Schubert one of the least intellectual-smart of composers may help leaving behind lucid dreamy night kiss the sunshine in the morning bright knowing the game so let us play play again and again and again together leaving the lucid night this posting Trio taking each the instrument of choice [:D] saha vÄ«ryaá¹ karavÄvahai(May this light strengthen our friendship ) tejasvinÄvadhÄ«tamastu mÄ vidviá¹£Ävahai (May our life be brilliant, may we never misunderstand) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFcGgmWStnM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFcGgmWStnM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Yes, I'm not one of the smarter meditators here, but I'm humble on that point. I actually liked it and haven't been privy to him - this joke goes over my head as well, unless you are pointing out that repetition is his gig in a lot of the music he composes. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts It may not have been apparent, but I was in fact making a very feeble Philip Glass joke. Here's another one: Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Philip Glass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: You are welcome. à I got the reference to Philip Glass from the video telling the story of the Bhagavad Gita that Buck sent. à He was on of the speakers and is also a composer. à He did the score for the movie The Hours, which I never saw, but may now. à You may already know this :). From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts à I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it very much, very much. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot . A lot. A lot. I like it. I like it. Very much. Very much. I like it. I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No wait. Here's how Edg will find God.
Right. I always ski defensively to watch for the snowboarders, mostly. Particularly as I get older. I seldom fall, but when I do, it's a doozy. Now, in addition to the snowboarder dudes, I'll have to watch for the Trikke newbies also. Downhill skiing is a huge high and being up in the mountains on a beautiful day schussing down a slope is hard to beat, IMO. Don't know if the Trikke is able to get air though :) From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No wait. Here's how Edg will find God. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: And here I thought it was a new teaching device. Â Ha. Â I think I like hands free skiing better, but I am an excellent skier. However, that is after many years of lessons starting at the tender age of 8 and lots of practice. Â Go for it. Â Skiing is a great sport and hard for adults to master, when they begin as adults. Â This looks like the perfect way to keep one's joints and bones intact :) Â Unless you wipe out that is, and then it looks like a good way to break them. At least if you're Trikke Skiing. Not to mention anyway who might be nearby. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] No wait. Here's how Edg will find God. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=CQ-MYJPtR8c Here's some Polish riders showing how the Trikke Skki can buzz the slopes. Ain't no one having more fun on snow. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
I love the cello...almost posted a Philip Glass cello piece last night, but it was long...and depressing :) This fellow is wonderful and thank you for posting. So, did I get the joke...was it the repetitive nature of the song that prompted Feste? Am I living in another too literal world altogether? Are not chants repetitious? Are not bhajans repetitious? I love repetition when done to certain musical themes; it is mesmerizing and transports. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts knock -knock- sneak- sneak Schubert one of the least intellectual-smart of composers may help leaving behind lucid dreamy night kiss the sunshine in the morning bright knowing the game so let us play play again and again and again together leaving the lucid night this posting Trio taking each the instrument of choice saha vīryaṃkaravāvahai(May this light strengthen our friendship ) tejasvināvadhītamastu mā vidviṣāvahai (May our life be brilliant, may we never misunderstand) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFcGgmWStnM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Yes, I'm not one of the smarter meditators here, but I'm humble on that point. I actually liked it and haven't been privy to him - this joke goes over my head as well, unless you are pointing out that repetition is his gig in a lot of the music he composes. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts It may not have been apparent, but I was in fact making a very feeble Philip Glass joke. Here's another one: Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Philip Glass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: You are welcome.  I got the reference to Philip Glass from the video telling the story of the Bhagavad Gita that Buck sent.  He was on of the speakers and is also a composer.  He did the score for the movie The Hours, which I never saw, but may now.  You may already know this :). From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts  I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it very much, very much. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot . A lot. A lot. I like it. I like it. Very much. Very much. I like it. I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] An Iowan, Alexander Clark
A very nicely produced piece on early Iowa and the struggle for human rights in America. A remarkable story. (Iowa Public Television) http://www.iptv.org/iowastories/story.cfm/alexander_clark/9056/acl_20120118_lost_history_alexander_clark/video
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
Merudanda...you are a genius...Estupendo! From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwgRVR4F9dM Take us away upon meru plateaus Far far away from fears and shadow Strengthen our heart in times of sorrow Light the way to bright tomorrows Heaven hides nothing in its measure Mortal men blinded by false treasure Formless and vanquished we shall travel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMjebrMLcY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NoxLvuyow Oh, lost seekers Forget All the values of past eras Oh, lost dreamers Find hope In the valley of the promise! oh resting flame/ oh disappearing shadow/oh unending night/oh whispering voice To know, to feel, to play me once again Do you denote...?: Enchanting elves take me away from third eyes crying--- Take me away from time and season Far far away we'll sing without reason Prepare a throne of stars above us As the world once known will leave us Enchanting elves take me away Away from third eyes crying--- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyj2Ip4o3SkKneel (dream within dream we travel) In silence (empires of faith unravel) Alone (sealed with our virtues' treasures) Imagined kingdoms falling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Why i care
People often ask me why I care about these things of the TMmovement? My interest and care is simple. I've said it before several times. The last time I enumerated it was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/298163 -Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: can I be simple here?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I agree. Despite some of the sharp differences here, I think everyone pretty much plays by the rules. So if you are going to participate in a discussion, in which you have some insight, why not be a little more forthcoming about it. These are event which took place 25 years ago. No one is asking for confidences to be violated. Just provide a little something in the way of bonofides. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I agree Steve, based on what Vaj has said I can't tell exactly when he was with Robin. Particularly, a time that Ann could corroborate. Ann has been quite clear describing the time frame of her involvement with Robin's seminars. Just as a matter of fairness to Ann and to everyone who has been trying to sort through Vaj's vague and often contradictory statements about his involvement with Robin, he could at the very least be as forthcoming as Ann. I'd like to give Vaj the benefit of the doubt, but just as he has been slippery saying anything specific that would lend credibility to his claim that he was TM teacher, I'm sorry to say, his vagueness about being with Robin, seems like more of the same old slip and slide from the details. Hey Steve, how come we haven't heard from Vaj? Just when he had an opportunity to come clean and mop up the details of his messy business with Robin, he went MIA. We haven't heard a peep out of him ever since Ann assured him that if a tape existed of Robin hitting someone between 1983-1986 she would have known about it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302767
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I love the cello...almost posted a Philip Glass cello piece last night, but it was long...and depressing :) This fellow is wonderful and thank you for posting. So, did I get the joke...was it the repetitive nature of the song that prompted Feste? Am I living in another too literal world altogether? Feste's quip was actually very witty. Glass is known for pieces that repeat and repeat, but then introduce a little bit of variation, then repeat and repeat that, then go back to the original repetition, then introduce another little bit of variation and repeat that, and so on, just like Feste's first response. It's a style that's usually called minimalism. This was in his earlier days, though; he's writing different kinds of music now. Are not chants repetitious? Are not bhajans repetitious? I love repetition when done to certain musical themes; it is mesmerizing and transports. Sure. That's what Glass intends, to provoke a sort of hypnotic state that then gets shaped by the little variations. Nothing wrong with it at all, but for some it may be an acquired taste (one I haven't acquired). I don't think Feste meant it as a criticism. He was just mimicking that style in words. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts  knock -knock- sneak- sneak Schubert one of the least intellectual-smart of composers may help leaving behind lucid dreamy night kiss the sunshine in the morning bright knowing the game so let us play  play again and again and again together leaving the lucid night this posting Trio taking each the instrument of choice saha vÄ«ryaá¹karavÄvahai(May this light strengthen our friendship ) tejasvinÄvadhÄ«tamastu mÄ vidviá¹£Ävahai (May our life be brilliant, may we never misunderstand) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFcGgmWStnM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Yes, I'm not one of the smarter meditators here, but I'm humble on that point.  I actually liked it and haven't been privy to him - this joke goes over my head as well, unless you are pointing out that repetition is his gig in a lot of the music he composes.  From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts  It may not have been apparent, but I was in fact making a very feeble Philip Glass joke. Here's another one: Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Philip Glass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: You are welcome. àI got the reference to Philip Glass from the video telling the story of the Bhagavad Gita that Buck sent. àHe was on of the speakers and is also a composer. àHe did the score for the movie The Hours, which I never saw, but may now. àYou may already know this :). From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts àI like it. I like it. I like it. I like it very much, very much. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot . A lot. A lot. I like it. I like it. Very much. Very much. I like it. I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts
The video merudanda posted with Glass and Ravi Shankar is a good example, although it's less minimalist than some of Glass's other compositions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I love the cello...almost posted a Philip Glass cello piece last night, but it was long...and depressing :) This fellow is wonderful and thank you for posting. So, did I get the joke...was it the repetitive nature of the song that prompted Feste? Am I living in another too literal world altogether? Feste's quip was actually very witty. Glass is known for pieces that repeat and repeat, but then introduce a little bit of variation, then repeat and repeat that, then go back to the original repetition, then introduce another little bit of variation and repeat that, and so on, just like Feste's first response. It's a style that's usually called minimalism. This was in his earlier days, though; he's writing different kinds of music now. Are not chants repetitious? Are not bhajans repetitious? I love repetition when done to certain musical themes; it is mesmerizing and transports. Sure. That's what Glass intends, to provoke a sort of hypnotic state that then gets shaped by the little variations. Nothing wrong with it at all, but for some it may be an acquired taste (one I haven't acquired). I don't think Feste meant it as a criticism. He was just mimicking that style in words. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts  knock -knock- sneak- sneak Schubert one of the least intellectual-smart of composers may help leaving behind lucid dreamy night kiss the sunshine in the morning bright knowing the game so let us play  play again and again and again together leaving the lucid night this posting Trio taking each the instrument of choice saha vÄ«ryaá¹karavÄvahai(May this light strengthen our friendship ) tejasvinÄvadhÄ«tamastu mÄ vidviá¹£Ävahai (May our life be brilliant, may we never misunderstand) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFcGgmWStnM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Yes, I'm not one of the smarter meditators here, but I'm humble on that point.  I actually liked it and haven't been privy to him - this joke goes over my head as well, unless you are pointing out that repetition is his gig in a lot of the music he composes.  From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts  It may not have been apparent, but I was in fact making a very feeble Philip Glass joke. Here's another one: Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Knock, knock. Who's there? Philip Glass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: You are welcome. àI got the reference to Philip Glass from the video telling the story of the Bhagavad Gita that Buck sent. àHe was on of the speakers and is also a composer. àHe did the score for the movie The Hours, which I never saw, but may now. àYou may already know this :). From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip Glass - The Poet Acts àI like it. I like it. I like it. I like it very much, very much. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot . A lot. A lot. I like it. I like it. Very much. Very much. I like it. I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fca2oXLe9g4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: No wait. Here's how Edg will find God.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Right.  I always ski defensively to watch for the snowboarders, mostly.  Particularly as I get older.  I seldom fall, but when I do, it's a doozy.  Now, in addition to the snowboarder dudes, I'll have to watch for the Trikke newbies also.  Downhill skiing is a huge high and being up in the mountains on a beautiful day schussing down a slope is hard to beat, IMO.  Don't know if the Trikke is able to get air though :) I thought the same thing. Out of control snowboarders or run away snowboards are enough of a hazard on the slopes. Trikkes have a massive metal structure. I'd hate to see it get away from someone after they've fallen and I wouldn't want to land on a Trikke in a wipe out. I learned to ski when I was in college and fell in love with the sport. Skiing was my weekend passion for many years. I lived in Detroit, three-hours from Boyne, Michigan skiing, which doesn't have long runs but it whetted my appetite for mountain skiing. I taught school so I usually took Christmas vacation at ski resorts in Colorado or Vermont. I haven't skied in years, my knees are shot. The Trikke gives beginners confidence on the slopes, but it's going to be a while before it can match the athleticism of hot-doggers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldOsw5-X3v0 From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No wait. Here's how Edg will find God.  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: And here I thought it was a new teaching device. àHa. àI think I like hands free skiing better, but I am an excellent skier. However, that is after many years of lessons starting at the tender age of 8 and lots of practice. àGo for it. àSkiing is a great sport and hard for adults to master, when they begin as adults. àThis looks like the perfect way to keep one's joints and bones intact :) àUnless you wipe out that is, and then it looks like a good way to break them. At least if you're Trikke Skiing. Not to mention anyway who might be nearby.   From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] No wait. Here's how Edg will find God. àhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=CQ-MYJPtR8c Here's some Polish riders showing how the Trikke Skki can buzz the slopes. Ain't no one having more fun on snow. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: No wait. Here's how Edg will find God.
If you read below the video, you'll see that I already voiced a yearning for the Trikke Skki to be more of a hotdogger's tool, two years ago. But things are still just starting. Who knows? All I know is that I'm able to stay safe if I keep my ego in check. Here's what I said to the team: Ain't nothing like watching youth and excellence. Very nice energy. I await#65279; the day that some Trikke Skki rider can match the athleticism of the skiers and the snowboarders. TrikkeGuy Their reply: Yeah, that day#65279; is coming! The Trikke Skki is really fun to ride and it carves like a regular ski. The team had a blast on it. carysamidaho --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Right.  I always ski defensively to watch for the snowboarders, mostly.  Particularly as I get older.  I seldom fall, but when I do, it's a doozy.  Now, in addition to the snowboarder dudes, I'll have to watch for the Trikke newbies also.  Downhill skiing is a huge high and being up in the mountains on a beautiful day schussing down a slope is hard to beat, IMO.  Don't know if the Trikke is able to get air though :) I thought the same thing. Out of control snowboarders or run away snowboards are enough of a hazard on the slopes. Trikkes have a massive metal structure. I'd hate to see it get away from someone after they've fallen and I wouldn't want to land on a Trikke in a wipe out. I learned to ski when I was in college and fell in love with the sport. Skiing was my weekend passion for many years. I lived in Detroit, three-hours from Boyne, Michigan skiing, which doesn't have long runs but it whetted my appetite for mountain skiing. I taught school so I usually took Christmas vacation at ski resorts in Colorado or Vermont. I haven't skied in years, my knees are shot. The Trikke gives beginners confidence on the slopes, but it's going to be a while before it can match the athleticism of hot-doggers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldOsw5-X3v0 From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No wait. Here's how Edg will find God.  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: And here I thought it was a new teaching device. àHa. àI think I like hands free skiing better, but I am an excellent skier. However, that is after many years of lessons starting at the tender age of 8 and lots of practice. àGo for it. àSkiing is a great sport and hard for adults to master, when they begin as adults. àThis looks like the perfect way to keep one's joints and bones intact :) àUnless you wipe out that is, and then it looks like a good way to break them. At least if you're Trikke Skiing. Not to mention anyway who might be nearby.   From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] No wait. Here's how Edg will find God. àhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=CQ-MYJPtR8c Here's some Polish riders showing how the Trikke Skki can buzz the slopes. Ain't no one having more fun on snow. Edg
