[FairfieldLife] Re: San Bernardino broke-files for bankruptcy

[John]

This is the third California city that has filed bankruptcy.  There is 
obviously something wrong with the economy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
>
> City attorney said officials had falsified budget reports to the mayor and 
> council for 13 of the last 16 years.
> 
> Biggest expense?, pay and benefits for police and firefighters.
> 
> UNION GREED!
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/san-bernardino-california-files-bankruptcy-over-1-billion-021606235--finance.html
>

[FairfieldLife] San Bernardino broke-files for bankruptcy

[wgm4u]

City attorney said officials had falsified budget reports to the mayor and 
council for 13 of the last 16 years.

Biggest expense?, pay and benefits for police and firefighters.

UNION GREED!

http://news.yahoo.com/san-bernardino-california-files-bankruptcy-over-1-billion-021606235--finance.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> 
> 
> Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of 
> previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too 
> uncannily familiar. 

Oh Vaj, Vaj, Vaj. I was hardly innocent. I wasn't looking for anything except 
something unique, intelligent, exciting and new. So don't start defining 
categorically the characteristics of those who found and followed and engaged 
Mr Carlsen. I was no babe in the woods and hardly without smarts so you can 
just stuff that little assertion of yours back in the junk pile where it 
belongs.
> 
> It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and 
> allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile 
> at a playground. 

You groom horses Vaj. Or maybe it is you who is feeling the siren call of 
Robin. It would be for the first time then. Unfortunately I think you're a 
little late joining the queue. It wound itself down 25 years ago. But I have 
some great old pictures if you want to relive some great old times.

I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for 
the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).

What does this "falling for it" look like? Perhaps you are mistaking civilized 
exchange for adulation. 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Emily Reyn]

I was wondering *who* the new bunch of TM'ers might be.  Vaj, a sincere apology 
for your ugly analogy is needed from you.  Way beyond the pale.   



 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  
Good grief, Vaj has his insane Robin-hatred on again. Nobody
knows why he loathes Robin so much, and Vaj refuses to say.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
 
> Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers,

Says Vaj, starting right out with a lie, one anybody who
reads the traffic *knows* is a lie. There's no "new
bunch of TMers" here. The only TMer newbie to FFL Robin's
been talking to is Share.

> one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with
> innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily
> familiar.

Not from everything I've read and heard, nope, not even
remotely.

> It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's 
> founder and allegedly found Jesus

Another lie. He's rejected Catholicism and has made that
clear as crystal.

> - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a
> playground.

Let's nominate this for one of the "vicious" posts that
Barry's been demanding examples of. I think we can all
agree that "out-of-jail pedophile at a playground" is
about as vicious as it gets.

"Grooming TMers"? For what? Obviously not for TM. Which
automatically rules out any similarity to what he was
doing at MIU almost 30 years ago.

If you haven't been reading Robin's posts, Vaj, why on
earth are you even talking about them?

> I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only
> crowd that fall for the routine

Which "routine" is that, Vaj? And what about Emily? She
likes him, and she's not a TMer.

> (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).

Not too likely Opus Dei fans would fall for the "routine"
of an apostate from Catholicism.

Just compare the tone and honesty of Vaj's posts to those
of Robin's posts, and you have a really clear idea of what
kind of person each of them is.

Why is Vaj so threatened by Robin discussing his philosophy? 
Why can't Robin be allowed to do what everyone else here
does all the time without being vilified and lied about?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

Good grief, Vaj has his insane Robin-hatred on again. Nobody
knows why he loathes Robin so much, and Vaj refuses to say.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
 
> Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers,

Says Vaj, starting right out with a lie, one anybody who
reads the traffic *knows* is a lie. There's no "new
bunch of TMers" here. The only TMer newbie to FFL Robin's
been talking to is Share.

> one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with
> innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily
> familiar.

Not from everything I've read and heard, nope, not even
remotely.

> It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's 
> founder and allegedly found Jesus

Another lie. He's rejected Catholicism and has made that
clear as crystal.

> - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a
> playground.

Let's nominate this for one of the "vicious" posts that
Barry's been demanding examples of. I think we can all
agree that "out-of-jail pedophile at a playground" is
about as vicious as it gets.

"Grooming TMers"? For what? Obviously not for TM. Which
automatically rules out any similarity to what he was
doing at MIU almost 30 years ago.

If you haven't been reading Robin's posts, Vaj, why on
earth are you even talking about them?

> I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only
> crowd that fall for the routine

Which "routine" is that, Vaj? And what about Emily? She
likes him, and she's not a TMer.

> (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).

Not too likely Opus Dei fans would fall for the "routine"
of an apostate from Catholicism.

Just compare the tone and honesty of Vaj's posts to those
of Robin's posts, and you have a really clear idea of what
kind of person each of them is.

Why is Vaj so threatened by Robin discussing his philosophy? 
Why can't Robin be allowed to do what everyone else here
does all the time without being vilified and lied about?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today's lesson on the Food Stamp Program, or SNAP.

[Robert]

It's very sad that these right wing types, who claim to be 'Christian' don't 
get Jesus' teachings at all!

They are the most judgemental and cynical types who only worship worldly power 
and money...
They are always so eager to spend more money on the military and always eager 
to start a new war...

I don't believe they are 'Christian' at all...but seem to act in reverse of 
what the Master taught...

Sad, very sad...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> >
> > The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of
> > Agriculture, is actually proud of the fact it is distributing
> > the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps than ever
> > before in history.
> 
> Yes, it certainly should be proud of the fact that fewer
> people will be going hungry.
>  
> > Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. 
> > Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the 
> > Animals." 
> > 
> > Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will
> > grow dependent on handouts, become lazy, get fat, and will not 
> > learn how to take care of themselves, and will become completely 
> > helpless burdens on society.
> 
> I don't think that could be the reason as stated, unless
> the National Park Service is talking only about baby animals.
> Animals don't become adults unless they've learned how to
> take care of themselves.
> 
> Plus which, if the animals are being fed by handouts from
> admiring visitors, that doesn't exactly constitute their
> being "burdens on society." The folks who are feeding them
> obviously don't consider it a burden, and it doesn't cost
> anybody else a penny.
> 
> Nor, for that matter, does it mean the animals have
> forgotten how to take care of themselves.
> 
> Remember, too, as Bhairitu points out, that the food
> animals eat in their native habitats is free. There's no
> such thing as an animal losing its job or having huge
> medical bills because it doesn't have insurance, and
> therefore not being able to buy sufficient food because
> it doesn't have enough money.
> 
> Oh, and people who get food stamps will be *less* likely
> to get fat, because they'll be able to afford healthier
> food.
> 
> > This ends today's lesson.
> 
> It never began, BillyG. Apples and kiwi fruit. Dumb.
> Very dumb. Typical right-wing nonsense.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Robin Carlsen Story

[Vaj]

On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:

> Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.


Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous 
incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It’s too uncannily 
familiar. 

It’s interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it’s founder and 
allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile 
at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only 
crowd that fall for the routine (I’m excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> 
> If, as you say, people are married to the movement, you would think they 
> would be careful not to do the things that would cause friction in the 
> marriage. If you were to have an affair, and your wife kicked you out, whose 
> fault would that be? I don't think you would have much to complain about. Of 
> course, you might find yourself holed up in the garage with your laptop, 
> making cartoons showing how impossible and how wrong your wife is, and 
> uploading them to YouTube. Well, good luck with that! Perhaps, eventually, as 
> in Buck's case, your wife might take you back, somewhat grudgingly, but she 
> wouldn't really trust you much, would she? And who could blame her? Actions 
> have consequences. The rules are known. Too bad that some people think that 
> the rules shouldn't have to apply to them.


Great minds... I made my post before I read yours.


 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The examples you cite are not of people being "controlled" by the TMO. 
> > > They are examples of people being excluded from the dome, which is quite 
> > > different. No one is being controlled. People are making choices, that's 
> > > all. If someone excludes you from their club, do you feel "controlled"? 
> > 
> > Depends, if the club is the place where I live my life, and if the club 
> > makes demands on my life style, and quite possible on my inner attitude, 
> > AND make this clear to me in unmistakeble  terms, the execute control. TM 
> > is more than just a club they joined, which could be substituted by any 
> > other club around the corner at any time. It's a lifestyle, and it's a 
> > beliefsystem as well. You will notice this once you leave.
> > 
> > > I doubt it. Rejected, perhaps, but that's something else. I don't know 
> > > why people feel so bitter about it. 
> > 
> > It's not bitterness, it's my experience and my opinion.
> > 
> > > If the club they want to join excludes them, they are free to join 
> > > another one. It's a matter of freedom of choice, not coercion. 
> > > 
> > You have never thought yourself into this situation. That's why your 
> > argument is so superficial. People love Maharishi, it's not just a club, 
> > and you could rejoin a club any time. A more apt comparision would be a 
> > relationship, a marriage that breaks up. People are literally married to 
> > the movement. The movement is in their brains, not just through meditation 
> > (that's the good thing), but also through everything they know and believe.
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I know many people who go to the dome and I cannot think of a single 
> > > > > one who is "controlled" by the TMO. The whole idea seems ludicrous to 
> > > > > me. I think it was cooked up by people who don't live here and have 
> > > > > no real clue about the way things are in Fairfield. The TMO, through 
> > > > > the dome programs (for which no charge is made), is in fact 
> > > > > performing a service for the community. The reason the malcontents  
> > > > > can't recognize this is because they can only see through the lens of 
> > > > > their own negativity.  
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > That's rubbish and a prejudice. Ask Buck, ask me. I know many people 
> > > > who have made this experience, and I have made it myself. I my case it 
> > > > is long time back, but it's first hand experience. Feste, you are just 
> > > > in denial. If you have no negative experience, it is nice for you, you 
> > > > just never came into any conflict yourself, so I am glad for you. 
> > > > 
> > > > I just recently ran into an old friend, he is still fully in the 
> > > > movement, and he was shocked that he was denied access to the domes, 
> > > > after 40 years in TM, being a governor and belonging to a prominent 
> > > > movement group. The denial of access was a pure act of punishment, for 
> > > > something nobody here on FFL would consider a serious issue. It is 
> > > > because of him that I re-published this video on youtube.
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > > > 
> > > > I had taken it off already, when seemingly Bucks case had been 
> > > > resolved, but as long a access to the domes is used as a sanction, as a 
> > > > punishment, I will leave it on the net, to warn everybody. 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tea wrote:  As long as people feel this commitment to go to the 
> > > > > > domes, or as long as they want to participate in the common group 
> > > > > > program, so long the 
> > > > > > movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control 
> > > > > > people.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:

> You have never thought yourself into this situation. That's why 
> your argument is so superficial. People love Maharishi, it's not 
> just a club, and you could rejoin a club any time. A more apt 
> comparision would be a relationship, a marriage that breaks up. 
> People are literally married to the movement. The movement is in 
> their brains, not just through meditation (that's the good thing), 
> but also through everything they know and believe.

Not exactly "through everything they know and believe"
if they're seeing other teachers and saints.

The marriage analogy is actually very a propos, but 
unfortunately not for your side of the argument. The
assumption in most marriages is that you will be
faithful to your spouse. You always have the option
to cheat, but that option is very likely to have
consequences, which you must be prepared to accept
if you want to exercise it. You don't get to
complain if you cheat and then find yourself locked
out of the house.

If what you want is an open marriage, you'll have
to find it elsewhere than with the TMO.


 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know many people who go to the dome and I cannot think of a single 
> > > > one who is "controlled" by the TMO. The whole idea seems ludicrous to 
> > > > me. I think it was cooked up by people who don't live here and have no 
> > > > real clue about the way things are in Fairfield. The TMO, through the 
> > > > dome programs (for which no charge is made), is in fact performing a 
> > > > service for the community. The reason the malcontents  can't recognize 
> > > > this is because they can only see through the lens of their own 
> > > > negativity.  
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > That's rubbish and a prejudice. Ask Buck, ask me. I know many people who 
> > > have made this experience, and I have made it myself. I my case it is 
> > > long time back, but it's first hand experience. Feste, you are just in 
> > > denial. If you have no negative experience, it is nice for you, you just 
> > > never came into any conflict yourself, so I am glad for you. 
> > > 
> > > I just recently ran into an old friend, he is still fully in the 
> > > movement, and he was shocked that he was denied access to the domes, 
> > > after 40 years in TM, being a governor and belonging to a prominent 
> > > movement group. The denial of access was a pure act of punishment, for 
> > > something nobody here on FFL would consider a serious issue. It is 
> > > because of him that I re-published this video on youtube.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > > 
> > > I had taken it off already, when seemingly Bucks case had been resolved, 
> > > but as long a access to the domes is used as a sanction, as a punishment, 
> > > I will leave it on the net, to warn everybody. 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tea wrote:  As long as people feel this commitment to go to the 
> > > > > domes, or as long as they want to participate in the common group 
> > > > > program, so long the 
> > > > > movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control 
> > > > > people.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > My reply:  Tea, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience with 
> > > > > the TMO.  I wish there were something even now I could do in some 
> > > > > zany way, to make amends.  Maybe something will come to me.  Same 
> > > > > for Buck.  
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > Share, like many here I had good and also bad experiences with the TMO. 
> > > Life is a mix of many things. That I left was utimately good for me, and 
> > > I think it came in the right moment. But truthfully, I do not want to be 
> > > part of a movement that is oppressive in this particular way. Why do they 
> > > use the group program to put pressure on peoples lifes and faith? This to 
> > > me is not an acceptable policy.
> > > 
> > > So my decission was and is, to not put myself at the mercy of the likes 
> > > of Bevan and the Rajas, even though I may know some of them personally. 
> > > If you are happy there, Share, fine. But basically, given the situation 
> > > as it is, you will always be vulnerable. As Feste says so aptly, as long 
> > > as they own the house, they can do with you what they want. (i.e. deny 
> > > access for whatever reason they like)
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Meanwhile I want to address what you say above because it relates to 
> > > > > what you describe as unforgiveable.  I simply want to say that I go 
> > > > > to the Dome.  AND I do not feel that the TMO has me in their hands 
> > > > > nor are controlling me.  In fact, if I ponder about it, I don't even 
> > > > > think they want to control me.   Wouldn't that be silly anyway, 
> > > > > given increased field independence with TM?
> > > 
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

[feste37]

If, as you say, people are married to the movement, you would think they would 
be careful not to do the things that would cause friction in the marriage. If 
you were to have an affair, and your wife kicked you out, whose fault would 
that be? I don't think you would have much to complain about. Of course, you 
might find yourself holed up in the garage with your laptop, making cartoons 
showing how impossible and how wrong your wife is, and uploading them to 
YouTube. Well, good luck with that! Perhaps, eventually, as in Buck's case, 
your wife might take you back, somewhat grudgingly, but she wouldn't really 
trust you much, would she? And who could blame her? Actions have consequences. 
The rules are known. Too bad that some people think that the rules shouldn't 
have to apply to them. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > The examples you cite are not of people being "controlled" by the TMO. They 
> > are examples of people being excluded from the dome, which is quite 
> > different. No one is being controlled. People are making choices, that's 
> > all. If someone excludes you from their club, do you feel "controlled"? 
> 
> Depends, if the club is the place where I live my life, and if the club makes 
> demands on my life style, and quite possible on my inner attitude, AND make 
> this clear to me in unmistakeble  terms, the execute control. TM is more than 
> just a club they joined, which could be substituted by any other club around 
> the corner at any time. It's a lifestyle, and it's a beliefsystem as well. 
> You will notice this once you leave.
> 
> > I doubt it. Rejected, perhaps, but that's something else. I don't know why 
> > people feel so bitter about it. 
> 
> It's not bitterness, it's my experience and my opinion.
> 
> > If the club they want to join excludes them, they are free to join another 
> > one. It's a matter of freedom of choice, not coercion. 
> > 
> You have never thought yourself into this situation. That's why your argument 
> is so superficial. People love Maharishi, it's not just a club, and you could 
> rejoin a club any time. A more apt comparision would be a relationship, a 
> marriage that breaks up. People are literally married to the movement. The 
> movement is in their brains, not just through meditation (that's the good 
> thing), but also through everything they know and believe.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know many people who go to the dome and I cannot think of a single 
> > > > one who is "controlled" by the TMO. The whole idea seems ludicrous to 
> > > > me. I think it was cooked up by people who don't live here and have no 
> > > > real clue about the way things are in Fairfield. The TMO, through the 
> > > > dome programs (for which no charge is made), is in fact performing a 
> > > > service for the community. The reason the malcontents  can't recognize 
> > > > this is because they can only see through the lens of their own 
> > > > negativity.  
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > That's rubbish and a prejudice. Ask Buck, ask me. I know many people who 
> > > have made this experience, and I have made it myself. I my case it is 
> > > long time back, but it's first hand experience. Feste, you are just in 
> > > denial. If you have no negative experience, it is nice for you, you just 
> > > never came into any conflict yourself, so I am glad for you. 
> > > 
> > > I just recently ran into an old friend, he is still fully in the 
> > > movement, and he was shocked that he was denied access to the domes, 
> > > after 40 years in TM, being a governor and belonging to a prominent 
> > > movement group. The denial of access was a pure act of punishment, for 
> > > something nobody here on FFL would consider a serious issue. It is 
> > > because of him that I re-published this video on youtube.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > > 
> > > I had taken it off already, when seemingly Bucks case had been resolved, 
> > > but as long a access to the domes is used as a sanction, as a punishment, 
> > > I will leave it on the net, to warn everybody. 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tea wrote:  As long as people feel this commitment to go to the 
> > > > > domes, or as long as they want to participate in the common group 
> > > > > program, so long the 
> > > > > movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control 
> > > > > people.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > My reply:  Tea, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience with 
> > > > > the TMO.  I wish there were something even now I could do in some 
> > > > > zany way, to make amends.  Maybe something will come to me.  Same 
> > > > > for Buck.  
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > Share, like many 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

[iranitea]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> The examples you cite are not of people being "controlled" by the TMO. They 
> are examples of people being excluded from the dome, which is quite 
> different. No one is being controlled. People are making choices, that's all. 
> If someone excludes you from their club, do you feel "controlled"? 

Depends, if the club is the place where I live my life, and if the club makes 
demands on my life style, and quite possible on my inner attitude, AND make 
this clear to me in unmistakeble  terms, the execute control. TM is more than 
just a club they joined, which could be substituted by any other club around 
the corner at any time. It's a lifestyle, and it's a beliefsystem as well. You 
will notice this once you leave.

> I doubt it. Rejected, perhaps, but that's something else. I don't know why 
> people feel so bitter about it. 

It's not bitterness, it's my experience and my opinion.

> If the club they want to join excludes them, they are free to join another 
> one. It's a matter of freedom of choice, not coercion. 
> 
You have never thought yourself into this situation. That's why your argument 
is so superficial. People love Maharishi, it's not just a club, and you could 
rejoin a club any time. A more apt comparision would be a relationship, a 
marriage that breaks up. People are literally married to the movement. The 
movement is in their brains, not just through meditation (that's the good 
thing), but also through everything they know and believe.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I know many people who go to the dome and I cannot think of a single one 
> > > who is "controlled" by the TMO. The whole idea seems ludicrous to me. I 
> > > think it was cooked up by people who don't live here and have no real 
> > > clue about the way things are in Fairfield. The TMO, through the dome 
> > > programs (for which no charge is made), is in fact performing a service 
> > > for the community. The reason the malcontents  can't recognize this is 
> > > because they can only see through the lens of their own negativity.  
> > > 
> > 
> > That's rubbish and a prejudice. Ask Buck, ask me. I know many people who 
> > have made this experience, and I have made it myself. I my case it is long 
> > time back, but it's first hand experience. Feste, you are just in denial. 
> > If you have no negative experience, it is nice for you, you just never came 
> > into any conflict yourself, so I am glad for you. 
> > 
> > I just recently ran into an old friend, he is still fully in the movement, 
> > and he was shocked that he was denied access to the domes, after 40 years 
> > in TM, being a governor and belonging to a prominent movement group. The 
> > denial of access was a pure act of punishment, for something nobody here on 
> > FFL would consider a serious issue. It is because of him that I 
> > re-published this video on youtube.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > 
> > I had taken it off already, when seemingly Bucks case had been resolved, 
> > but as long a access to the domes is used as a sanction, as a punishment, I 
> > will leave it on the net, to warn everybody. 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tea wrote:  As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, 
> > > > or as long as they want to participate in the common group program, so 
> > > > long the 
> > > > movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control 
> > > > people.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > My reply:  Tea, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience with 
> > > > the TMO.  I wish there were something even now I could do in some zany 
> > > > way, to make amends.  Maybe something will come to me.  Same for 
> > > > Buck.  
> > > > 
> > 
> > Share, like many here I had good and also bad experiences with the TMO. 
> > Life is a mix of many things. That I left was utimately good for me, and I 
> > think it came in the right moment. But truthfully, I do not want to be part 
> > of a movement that is oppressive in this particular way. Why do they use 
> > the group program to put pressure on peoples lifes and faith? This to me is 
> > not an acceptable policy.
> > 
> > So my decission was and is, to not put myself at the mercy of the likes of 
> > Bevan and the Rajas, even though I may know some of them personally. If you 
> > are happy there, Share, fine. But basically, given the situation as it is, 
> > you will always be vulnerable. As Feste says so aptly, as long as they own 
> > the house, they can do with you what they want. (i.e. deny access for 
> > whatever reason they like)
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > Meanwhile I want to address what you say above because it relates to 
> > > > what you describe as unforgiveable.  I simply want to say that I go to 
> > > > the Dome.  AND 

[FairfieldLife] RIP Ananda Bhaskar - Maitreya Ishwara

[iranitea]

He was a friend, whom I met in 1993 in Lucknow, and we 'connected', at the time 
called Bhaskar. Later he became a master and set up an ashram in New Zealand. 
He died on 14 July 2012. 


http://www.oshonews.com/2012/07/anand-bhaskar-maitreya-ishwara/
http://www.ishwara.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

[feste37]

The examples you cite are not of people being "controlled" by the TMO. They are 
examples of people being excluded from the dome, which is quite different. No 
one is being controlled. People are making choices, that's all. If someone 
excludes you from their club, do you feel "controlled"? I doubt it. Rejected, 
perhaps, but that's something else. I don't know why people feel so bitter 
about it. If the club they want to join excludes them, they are free to join 
another one. It's a matter of freedom of choice, not coercion. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > I know many people who go to the dome and I cannot think of a single one 
> > who is "controlled" by the TMO. The whole idea seems ludicrous to me. I 
> > think it was cooked up by people who don't live here and have no real clue 
> > about the way things are in Fairfield. The TMO, through the dome programs 
> > (for which no charge is made), is in fact performing a service for the 
> > community. The reason the malcontents  can't recognize this is because they 
> > can only see through the lens of their own negativity.  
> > 
> 
> That's rubbish and a prejudice. Ask Buck, ask me. I know many people who have 
> made this experience, and I have made it myself. I my case it is long time 
> back, but it's first hand experience. Feste, you are just in denial. If you 
> have no negative experience, it is nice for you, you just never came into any 
> conflict yourself, so I am glad for you. 
> 
> I just recently ran into an old friend, he is still fully in the movement, 
> and he was shocked that he was denied access to the domes, after 40 years in 
> TM, being a governor and belonging to a prominent movement group. The denial 
> of access was a pure act of punishment, for something nobody here on FFL 
> would consider a serious issue. It is because of him that I re-published this 
> video on youtube.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> 
> I had taken it off already, when seemingly Bucks case had been resolved, but 
> as long a access to the domes is used as a sanction, as a punishment, I will 
> leave it on the net, to warn everybody. 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Tea wrote:  As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, 
> > > or as long as they want to participate in the common group program, so 
> > > long the 
> > > movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control 
> > > people.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My reply:  Tea, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience with the 
> > > TMO.  I wish there were something even now I could do in some zany way, 
> > > to make amends.  Maybe something will come to me.  Same for Buck.  
> > > 
> 
> Share, like many here I had good and also bad experiences with the TMO. Life 
> is a mix of many things. That I left was utimately good for me, and I think 
> it came in the right moment. But truthfully, I do not want to be part of a 
> movement that is oppressive in this particular way. Why do they use the group 
> program to put pressure on peoples lifes and faith? This to me is not an 
> acceptable policy.
> 
> So my decission was and is, to not put myself at the mercy of the likes of 
> Bevan and the Rajas, even though I may know some of them personally. If you 
> are happy there, Share, fine. But basically, given the situation as it is, 
> you will always be vulnerable. As Feste says so aptly, as long as they own 
> the house, they can do with you what they want. (i.e. deny access for 
> whatever reason they like)
> 
> > > 
> > > Meanwhile I want to address what you say above because it relates to what 
> > > you describe as unforgiveable.  I simply want to say that I go to the 
> > > Dome.  AND I do not feel that the TMO has me in their hands nor are 
> > > controlling me.  In fact, if I ponder about it, I don't even think they 
> > > want to control me.   Wouldn't that be silly anyway, given increased 
> > > field independence with TM?
> 
> If they wouldn't want to control people, why do they then set up these 
> strange rules? Share, at the moment you 'fit in', and there is no problem. 
> But at the moment they would get on you for any of the other activities you 
> have been doing, Ammachi, your interest in other techniques of emotional 
> release, Arunachala (if you would ever want to travel there), all these 
> things could become an issue of conlict at a time. And depending how 
> important the group program is for you this conflict could become 
> existential. It has been so for many people for many years.
>  
> > > Again I'm sorry for your bad experience with TMO.  You do seem mostly at 
> > > peace about it.
> 
> Yep. But it upsets me if my friends I have known for decades, are still in 
> this situation. That is why I sympathize with Buck, because I have been in 
> exactly the same situation for years.
> 
> >ï¿

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

[iranitea]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> I know many people who go to the dome and I cannot think of a single one who 
> is "controlled" by the TMO. The whole idea seems ludicrous to me. I think it 
> was cooked up by people who don't live here and have no real clue about the 
> way things are in Fairfield. The TMO, through the dome programs (for which no 
> charge is made), is in fact performing a service for the community. The 
> reason the malcontents  can't recognize this is because they can only see 
> through the lens of their own negativity.  
> 

That's rubbish and a prejudice. Ask Buck, ask me. I know many people who have 
made this experience, and I have made it myself. I my case it is long time 
back, but it's first hand experience. Feste, you are just in denial. If you 
have no negative experience, it is nice for you, you just never came into any 
conflict yourself, so I am glad for you. 

I just recently ran into an old friend, he is still fully in the movement, and 
he was shocked that he was denied access to the domes, after 40 years in TM, 
being a governor and belonging to a prominent movement group. The denial of 
access was a pure act of punishment, for something nobody here on FFL would 
consider a serious issue. It is because of him that I re-published this video 
on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg

I had taken it off already, when seemingly Bucks case had been resolved, but as 
long a access to the domes is used as a sanction, as a punishment, I will leave 
it on the net, to warn everybody. 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Tea wrote:  As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, or 
> > as long as they want to participate in the common group program, so long 
> > the 
> > movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control 
> > people.
> > 
> > 
> > My reply:  Tea, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience with the 
> > TMO.  I wish there were something even now I could do in some zany way, to 
> > make amends.  Maybe something will come to me.  Same for Buck.  
> > 

Share, like many here I had good and also bad experiences with the TMO. Life is 
a mix of many things. That I left was utimately good for me, and I think it 
came in the right moment. But truthfully, I do not want to be part of a 
movement that is oppressive in this particular way. Why do they use the group 
program to put pressure on peoples lifes and faith? This to me is not an 
acceptable policy.

So my decission was and is, to not put myself at the mercy of the likes of 
Bevan and the Rajas, even though I may know some of them personally. If you are 
happy there, Share, fine. But basically, given the situation as it is, you will 
always be vulnerable. As Feste says so aptly, as long as they own the house, 
they can do with you what they want. (i.e. deny access for whatever reason they 
like)

> > 
> > Meanwhile I want to address what you say above because it relates to what 
> > you describe as unforgiveable.  I simply want to say that I go to the 
> > Dome.  AND I do not feel that the TMO has me in their hands nor are 
> > controlling me.  In fact, if I ponder about it, I don't even think they 
> > want to control me.   Wouldn't that be silly anyway, given increased 
> > field independence with TM?

If they wouldn't want to control people, why do they then set up these strange 
rules? Share, at the moment you 'fit in', and there is no problem. But at the 
moment they would get on you for any of the other activities you have been 
doing, Ammachi, your interest in other techniques of emotional release, 
Arunachala (if you would ever want to travel there), all these things could 
become an issue of conlict at a time. And depending how important the group 
program is for you this conflict could become existential. It has been so for 
many people for many years.
 
> > Again I'm sorry for your bad experience with TMO.  You do seem mostly at 
> > peace about it.

Yep. But it upsets me if my friends I have known for decades, are still in this 
situation. That is why I sympathize with Buck, because I have been in exactly 
the same situation for years.

>  I'm grateful for that.  And that you're here.  And that you've been 
>willing to engage with such a TBer as me (-:
> > 

I never felt any hostility from you Share. I feel hostility only from people 
who call me purposefully negative. But they may be forgiven. They don't know. 
Enjoy your life, Share. Everything will be fine for you I feel.

> > 
> > 
> >  From: iranitea 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:33 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > When I first signed the agreement form, it as just short before we received 
> > the TM initiator initiation, I thought that it was a mere formality, and I 
> > thought that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cool loneliness: Six Kinds of Loneliness By Ani Pema Choedroen

[stevelf]

 Wow, Merudananda, you "Wow-ed" me and I thank you for that...!
  Reminds me of an article I read once on "The wisdom of getting lost", or 
something like that...
  This subject is very close to home for me, especially today... (another 
story, alas...).

  But I wanted to share with you my creation on this theme-- which was a 
5-year, unplanned, foreign (mostly Pacific Rim...), off-road, gut, heart, 
mountain bike ramble that I solo-ed in the mid-90's... No plans, no time 
constraints-- an open heart-felt appreciation of what came my way-- not trying 
specifically to "get anywhere", no normal goals,  lightweight to the extreme, 
an innocent merge with the moments, an equal acceptance of the "trials" and 
"tribulations" of the pathless path, an acceptance and reverence of being 
guided by intuition and my heart as opposed to societal norms, like that
  Again, thank you for your meaningful post-- 
  Steve 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> 
> For all our beloved cool FFL er and/or all who search for coolness [:D]
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjesjbEQpqM
> 
> Six Kinds of Loneliness
> By Pema Choedroen
> 
> To be without a reference point is the ultimate loneliness. It is also
> called enlightenment.
> 
> 
> In the middle way, there is no reference point. The mind with no
> reference point does not resolve itself, does not fixate or grasp. How
> could we possibly have no reference point? To have no reference point
> would be to change a deep-seated habitual response to the world: wanting
> to make it work out one way or the other. If I can't go left or right, I
> will die! When we don't go left or right, we feel like we are in a detox
> center. We're alone, cold turkey with all the edginess that we've been
> trying to avoid by going left or right. That edginess can feel pretty
> heavy.
> 
> However, years and years of going to the left or right, going to yes or
> no, going to right or wrong has never really changed anything.
> Scrambling for security has never brought anything but momentary joy.
> It's like changing the position of our legs in meditation. Our legs hurt
> from sitting cross-legged, so we move them. And then we feel, "Phew!
> What a relief!" But two and a half minutes later, we want to move them
> again. We keep moving around seeking pleasure, seeking comfort, and the
> satisfaction that we get is very short-lived.
> 
> We hear a lot about the pain of samsara, and we also hear about
> liberation. But we don't hear much about how painful it is to go from
> being completely stuck to becoming unstuck. The process of becoming
> unstuck requires tremendous bravery, because basically we are completely
> changing our way of perceiving reality, like changing our DNA. We are
> undoing a pattern that is not just our pattern. It's the human pattern:
> we project onto the world a zillion possibilities of attaining
> resolution. We can have whiter teeth, a weed-free lawn, a strife-free
> life, a world without embarrassment. We can live happily every after.
> This pattern keeps us dissatisfied and causes us a lot of suffering.
> 
> As human beings, not only do we seek resolution, but we also feel that
> we deserve resolution. However, not only do we not deserve resolution,
> we suffer from resolution. We don't deserve resolution; we deserve
> something better than that. We deserve our birthright, which is the
> middle way, an open state of mind that can relax with paradox and
> ambiguity. To the degree that we've been avoiding uncertainty, we're
> naturally going to have withdrawal symptoms—withdrawal from always
> thinking that there's a problem and that someone, somewhere, needs to
> fix it.
> 
> The middle way is wide open, but it's tough going, because it goes
> against the grain of an ancient neurotic pattern that we all share. When
> we feel lonely, when we feel hopeless, what we want to do is move to the
> right or the left. We don't want to sit and feel what we feel. We don't
> want to go through the detox. Yet the middle way encourages us to do
> just that. It encourages us to awaken the bravery that exists in
> everyone without exception, including you and me.
> 
> Meditation provides a way for us to train in the middle way—in
> staying right on the spot. We are encouraged not to judge whatever
> arises in our mind. In fact, we are encouraged not to even grasp
> whatever arises in our mind. What we usually call good or bad we simply
> acknowledge as thinking, without all the usual drama that goes along
> with right and wrong. We are instructed to let the thoughts come and go
> as if touching a bubble with a feather. This straightforward discipline
> prepares us to stop struggling and discover a fresh, unbiased state of
> being.
> 
> The experience of certain feelings can seem particularly pregnant with
> desire for resolution: loneliness, boredom, anxiety. Unless we can relax
> with these feelings, it's very hard to

[FairfieldLife] Finally, a church for our times...

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dLife/&use_rte=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

[feste37]

I know many people who go to the dome and I cannot think of a single one who is 
"controlled" by the TMO. The whole idea seems ludicrous to me. I think it was 
cooked up by people who don't live here and have no real clue about the way 
things are in Fairfield. The TMO, through the dome programs (for which no 
charge is made), is in fact performing a service for the community. The reason 
the malcontents  can't recognize this is because they can only see through the 
lens of their own negativity.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Tea wrote:  As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, or as 
> long as they want to participate in the common group program, so long the 
> movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control 
> people.
> 
> 
> My reply:  Tea, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience with the 
> TMO.  I wish there were something even now I could do in some zany way, to 
> make amends.  Maybe something will come to me.  Same for Buck.  
> 
> 
> Meanwhile I want to address what you say above because it relates to what you 
> describe as unforgiveable.  I simply want to say that I go to the Dome.  
> AND I do not feel that the TMO has me in their hands nor are controlling 
> me.  In fact, if I ponder about it, I don't even think they want to control 
> me.   Wouldn't that be silly anyway, given increased field independence 
> with TM?
> 
> Again I'm sorry for your bad experience with TMO.  You do seem mostly at 
> peace about it.  I'm grateful for that.  And that you're here.  And that 
> you've been willing to engage with such a TBer as me (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: iranitea 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:33 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
>  
> 
>   
> When I first signed the agreement form, it as just short before we received 
> the TM initiator initiation, I thought that it was a mere formality, and I 
> thought that the term purity of the teaching related to teaching the 7 steps 
> of TM. 7 steps. Intro lecture, prep lecture, personal interview, initiation - 
> the puja, the mantras, the 'steps', and the 3 days checking. That's it, I 
> thought.
> 
> But now I learn, that signing this agreement form, was like signing a blanco 
> checque, that anything could be added to this term, be it Ayurveda, Vastu, 
> Maharishi Jyotish, Maharishi natural products etc etc.
> 
> And now I learn, that the purity of the teaching relates to all of them, and 
> we don't even know what is yet to come, which will fall under this term. The 
> purity of the teaching is really a whore.
> 
> Knowing all this development, we should have at least have one week of 
> lectures just about the agreement form. I think there was one lecture by 
> Maharishi, playing it more or less down.
> 
> At the times I signed it first, there were no domes yet, no group flying, no 
> Ayurveda, no Vastu or Maharishi Jyotish, no Maharishi honey etc.
> 
> What I find unforgivable, is the fact, that the group program, which is 
> really the holy grail of the movement is being instrumentalized as a means of 
> punishment, of sanctioning, and if Buck is correct,  to impart the rules they 
> make, would allow them to spy on people and behave in a manner which only the 
> secret service does. And even more so, do this out of a basically economic 
> reason, as several posters here agree. Where is the purity of the teaching in 
> all this?
> 
> At the moment I learned about the purity of the teaching, it was about 
> 'capture the fort, and all else will be given to you'. No need for special 
> services and add on techniques. Now you are jeopardizing  the purity of the 
> teaching if you buy the wrong house, or the wrong honey or the get the wrong 
> horoscope. And of course, you didn't know anything about this, hen you signed 
> this paper at your TTC.
> 
> As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, or as long as they 
> want to participate in the common group program, so long the movement will 
> have you in their hands, they will be able to control people.
> 
> I cannot feel such a commitment on the basis of the experiences I had when 
> starting to meditate. While I see the value of TM, especially for the 
> beginner, I don't see it's exclusiveness. Transcendence to me predates any 
> experience, I had anticipations of transcendence before TM, I had experiences 
> before too.
> 
> And, of course, I had many experiences after. So I cannot fee obliged my 
> whole life to one particular experience, and let it enclose my life in one 
> particular pattern. 
> 
> The same is true for you Robin, quite obviously and even much more 
> dramatically, but I cannot achieve the kind of compartmentalization you are 
> making with respect to all the different Robins in your personal history. To 
> me it seems there is a Robin1, a Robin2, a Robin3 and 

[FairfieldLife] Sunday - Movie Premiere - Genetic Roulette: Gamble of Our Lives

[Dick Mays]

Movie Premiere to Take Place this Sunday at the Fairfield Arts & Convention 
Center

Movie premiers aren’t just a Hollywood thing anymore.
 
In an issued press release, The Institute for Responsible Technology has 
announced a  limited screening of the new feature film titled Genetic Roulette: 
The Gamble of Our Lives.
 
The screening will take place this Sunday, August 5th at the Fairfield Arts & 
Convention Center at 7:30 P.M.
 
The film will be release nationally in September.
 
The premise of the film is said to be a warning of the dangers of eating 
genetically modified organisms or GMO’s, by not only humans, but all living 
things.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

[Share Long]

Tea wrote:  As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, or as 
long as they want to participate in the common group program, so long the 
movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control 
people.


My reply:  Tea, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience with the TMO.  
I wish there were something even now I could do in some zany way, to make 
amends.  Maybe something will come to me.  Same for Buck.  


Meanwhile I want to address what you say above because it relates to what you 
describe as unforgiveable.  I simply want to say that I go to the Dome.  AND I 
do not feel that the TMO has me in their hands nor are controlling me.  In 
fact, if I ponder about it, I don't even think they want to control me.   
Wouldn't that be silly anyway, given increased field independence with TM?

Again I'm sorry for your bad experience with TMO.  You do seem mostly at peace 
about it.  I'm grateful for that.  And that you're here.  And that you've been 
willing to engage with such a TBer as me (-:




 From: iranitea 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
 

  
When I first signed the agreement form, it as just short before we received the 
TM initiator initiation, I thought that it was a mere formality, and I thought 
that the term purity of the teaching related to teaching the 7 steps of TM. 7 
steps. Intro lecture, prep lecture, personal interview, initiation - the puja, 
the mantras, the 'steps', and the 3 days checking. That's it, I thought.

But now I learn, that signing this agreement form, was like signing a blanco 
checque, that anything could be added to this term, be it Ayurveda, Vastu, 
Maharishi Jyotish, Maharishi natural products etc etc.

And now I learn, that the purity of the teaching relates to all of them, and we 
don't even know what is yet to come, which will fall under this term. The 
purity of the teaching is really a whore.

Knowing all this development, we should have at least have one week of lectures 
just about the agreement form. I think there was one lecture by Maharishi, 
playing it more or less down.

At the times I signed it first, there were no domes yet, no group flying, no 
Ayurveda, no Vastu or Maharishi Jyotish, no Maharishi honey etc.

What I find unforgivable, is the fact, that the group program, which is really 
the holy grail of the movement is being instrumentalized as a means of 
punishment, of sanctioning, and if Buck is correct,  to impart the rules they 
make, would allow them to spy on people and behave in a manner which only the 
secret service does. And even more so, do this out of a basically economic 
reason, as several posters here agree. Where is the purity of the teaching in 
all this?

At the moment I learned about the purity of the teaching, it was about 'capture 
the fort, and all else will be given to you'. No need for special services and 
add on techniques. Now you are jeopardizing  the purity of the teaching if you 
buy the wrong house, or the wrong honey or the get the wrong horoscope. And of 
course, you didn't know anything about this, hen you signed this paper at your 
TTC.

As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, or as long as they 
want to participate in the common group program, so long the movement will have 
you in their hands, they will be able to control people.

I cannot feel such a commitment on the basis of the experiences I had when 
starting to meditate. While I see the value of TM, especially for the beginner, 
I don't see it's exclusiveness. Transcendence to me predates any experience, I 
had anticipations of transcendence before TM, I had experiences before too.

And, of course, I had many experiences after. So I cannot fee obliged my whole 
life to one particular experience, and let it enclose my life in one particular 
pattern. 

The same is true for you Robin, quite obviously and even much more 
dramatically, but I cannot achieve the kind of compartmentalization you are 
making with respect to all the different Robins in your personal history. To me 
it seems there is a Robin1, a Robin2, a Robin3 and a Robin4 up until 5 maybe, 
all of them are fairly intact, lets call Robin1 the Robin who as a TB teacher 
and just newly enlightened, Robin2 the Robin of the seminars at FF and whatever 
happened there, the Robin3 the one who read Aquinas and became converted to 
Catholicism, and Robin4 is the post modern, post catholic Robin. 

There is also Robin0, the one who experimented with LSD (which I never took). 
Robin4 tells us that the whole TM trip as a deception, and illusion, and side 
by side in the same post Robin1 tells that the initiation into TM is the most 
marvelous experience, to which we should always be committed and faithful. 
Robin4 tells Emily it is better to never start TM, and Robin1 tells Vaj, that 
he doesn't know anything because 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cool loneliness: Six Kinds of Loneliness By Ani Pema Choedroen

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> sigh elaborate--sigh
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2j578jTBCY
> the mysteriously  turquoiseb flash-defunct link to "Amelie (2001) -
> You're so cool" refer to the often here at FFL admired and quoted 
> of Audrey Tautou's masterly script and performance...

While I cannot fault Audrey's performance, I have to 
stand up for the scriptwriter, and point out that she 
had no part in the the crafting of it. As lovely and 
as charming as she is, Audrey is well known as a bit 
of stick-up-her-butt actress, one who Doth Not 
Improvise Well. 

One of the best scenes in "Amelie" was, in fact, one in
which Audrey was searching for the guy who left the 
childhood treasure box she found, and discovered that
one of her "candidates" in the search was a lesbian,
who found her sort of...attractive. In the course of
shooting different takes of this scene, in one of them
Audrey deviated from the script and cracked up. That
is the take that the real author of the script, Jean-
Pierre Jeunet, chose to put in the movie. 

> ...and a  wordplay with 
> "coolness" and remembering-associating  turquoiseb little Maya's
> presence [:D] and of course "counterbalance" the seriousness of 
> the cool loneliness equating enlightenment Shenpa-ness
> ... and more..
>  
> [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_a32QmJypT-Q/TAEh_MvUf4I/A04/pQzRDz383IA/s1600/amelie.jpg]
> sigh
> good night...and
> When you wake up in the morning..stay relaxed and touch the 
> limitless space of the human heart...and ...experiment with 
> these both images..
> [:D]
> looking forward (m)any of your insight... to forget and loose into
> ultimate space without a reference point...

"Without a reference point" and "having an ever-changing
reference point" are effectively the same thing, n'est-
ce-pas?  :-)

Amélie: [whispering in theater] I like to look for things 
no one else catches. I hate the way drivers never look at 
the road in old American movies. 
...
Narrator: Amelie has one friend, Blubber. Alas the home 
environment has made Blubber suicidal.
[Pet fish leaps out of fish bowl in an attempt at suicide] 
...
Narrator: With a prompter in every cellar window whispering 
comebacks, shy people would have the last laugh. 
...
[Amélie hands a begger some money]
Beggar: Sorry madam, I don't work on Sundays. 
...
Hipolito (The Writer): We pass the time of day to forget 
how time passes. 
...
Seller in the porno shop: These are hard times for dreamers. 
...
Narrator: Nino is late. Amelie can only see two explanations. 
1 - he didn't get the photo. 2 - before he could assemble it, 
a gang of bank robbers took him hostage. The cops gave chase. 
They got away...but he caused a crash. When he came to, he'd 
lost his memory. An ex-con picked him up, mistook him for a 
fugitive, and shipped him to Istanbul. There he met some 
Afghan raiders who took him to steal some Russian warheads. 
But their truck hit a mine in Tajikistan. He survived, took 
to the hills, and became a Mujaheddin. Amelie refuses to get 
upset for a guy who'll eat borscht all his life in a hat 
like a tea cozy. 
...
Narrator: Philoméne likes the sound of the cat's bowl on the 
tiles. The cat likes overhearing children's stories. 
...
Narrator: Amelie has a strange feeling of absolute harmony. 
It's a perfect moment. A soft light, a scent in the air, the 
quiet murmur of the city. A surge of love, an urge to help 
mankind overcomes her. 
...
Amélie: [at the movies] I like to turn around in the dark 
to see the faces of the people around me.

I almost always get all teary-eyed when I hear that last line,
and did so even as I pasted it in. It is one of my favorite
lines in all of film history. In it, Jeunet reveals to us
his heart, and the reason why he makes movies. He likes
to go to his own movies and turn around and watch the 
faces of the audiences seeing them. 

I cannot conceive of a higher or more noble reason to
make movies.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gay activists- largely intolerant of others beliefs.

[Bhairitu]

On 08/01/2012 11:58 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> Funny how LGBT,(Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transgendered),
> activists have so little toleration for others beliefs,
> especially Christians, what blatant hypocrisy. The
> 'parental role' would be to show them (LGBT) the errors
> of their ways and lead them to behavior that leads to
> 'true' happiness.
 Alternatively, those of us who do not consider sexual
 preference much of a fuckin' issue could adopt a
 "parental role" with the Chick-Fil-A supporters and
 teach them that they're idiotic, homophobic, fear-
 driven Bible bigots. If they figured that out, I'm
 pretty sure they'd be happier, too.

> Story:
>
> Nearly 600,000 supporters signed up to celebrate Chick-
> fil-A Appreciation Day today, which former Arkansas Gov.
> Mike Huckabee created to counter a boycott launched by
> gay marriage activists last week after Chick-fil-A CEO
> Dan Cathy said he was "guilty as charged" for not
> supporting gay marriage.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/chick-fil-supporters-gather-appreciation-day/story?id=16904664#.UBlsEaDhflY
>>> We have free choice to find out, don't we! And, in time
>>> we will all find out whether our choices were wise or
>>> ignorant. You have that freedom, and God's gives it to
>>> you, far be it for me to take it away.  Doesn't mean I
>>> should/would condone it.
>> We are finally agreed about something.
>>
>> I feel the same way about homophobic idiots.
> I left off the smiley faces in both of the above
> posts because you did, but I was chuckling the
> entire time I wrote them. I personally feel that
> the homophobic idiots at Chick-Fil-A have done a
> tremendous service to the rights of LGBT citizens
> in America.
>
> I mean, a PR firm *for* the LBGT cause could not
> have orchestrated a better media event. First the
> president of C-F-A announces in public that he's
> vehemently anti-gay, quoting Bible verses to back
> him up. Then, when one of his business partners
> the Jim Henson company takes issue with his words
> and sends back his check as co-partner with them
> for Henson-brand "happy meals," what does Mr.
> Brilliant do?
>
> He arranges for Chick-Fil-A locations to put signs
> up in their windows saying that the happy meals had
> been withdrawn for "safety reasons," and blaming
> the supplier for any potential injuries to children
> (which even they admit never happened).
>
> A day or so later, on a Facebook forum that had
> arisen to protest Chick-Fil-A's idiocy, someone
> created a fictional Facebook profile for a fictional
> female teenager, and began to post rants in support
> of Chick-Fil-A, each followed by some of the same
> Bible verses its founder used. It took only a couple
> of hours for some blogger to point out that the photo
> of the "teenager" was a stock photo from a photo
> service, and that the entire FB profile was a fake.
>
> Then Chick-Fil-A's head PR guy dies of a heart attack.
> Now tell me *that* isn't the fuckin' Will Of God.  :-)
>
> At this point even homophobic good 'ole boys from
> the Deep South are laughing at Chick-Fil-A, and thus
> at the deeply homophobic beliefs they espouse. Sooner
> or later these good 'ole boys will breed, and when
> they do their kids will grow up a little less afraid
> of the people their own parents were afraid of,
> until they laughed, and got over it.

And this New Hampshire franchise is going against the company CEO.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/01/chick-fil-a-store-breaks-with-founder-to-sponsor-lgbt-pride/

Most all fast food stores are franchises though I went to Chick-Fil-A's 
to see their franchise info which they call "licensing" instead of 
"franchise."  Locally Walnut Creek is about to get one.   That's a town 
of wannabee yuppie Republicans though I can't imagine them being closed 
on Sunday so maybe that franchisee will break with that.  We also just 
got an In-Out Burger in the neighborhood (next to Target) and they put 
Bible verses on their cups but are open on Sundays.

One Indian friend who is a restaurateur owns 5 Arby's too.  I wonder if 
he's opening the new Chick-Fil-A's.  Oh and he's open on Sunday and has 
a Nataraj statue in the entrance. :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Golden oldie sci-fi movie

[Bhairitu]

I think my Redbox BD rental is going to be the not for Buck "Piranha 
DD".  Why?  Well, it's by John Gulager who you might remember as the 
contest winner for the third and final season of "Project Greenlight."   
John not only struggled but eventually got his "Greenlight" movie 
"Feast" out (difficult to make a movie that way) but went on to may two 
sequels (with lots of scenes Turq would love and Buck not). Gulager of 
course is no stranger to Hollywood being that both parents were TV and 
movies stars (his dad is in his movies as well as his brother and 
"Feast" got his girlfriend a lot more work too as she is a fine 
actress).  Those movies were dark comedy/horror and obviously so is 
"Piranha DD".

Rated R by the Motion Picture Association of America for sequences of 
strong bloody horror violence and gore, graphic nudity, sexual content, 
language and some drug use and to keep Buck away.  Should be a hoot!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1714203/

(Also titled "Piranha 3DD" but the BD and DVD are only DD).


On 08/01/2012 10:00 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> I second the recommendation. "Outland" is an unapologetic
> remake of "High Noon" set in space, starring Sean Connery
> instead of Gary Cooper. For 1981, it even did "space tech"
> right in many ways, such as having both the cops and the
> bad guys use shotguns instead of projectile (bullet)
> weapons. Bullets go through hull walls and kill you by
> letting the air out; shotguns don't.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> We've discussed how films like "Alien" and "Blade Runner" take place
> in
>> a future where there instead of government you have a "corporate
>> state."  Ridley Scott even called it "corporate communism" in his
>> commentary for "Blade Runner."  But a film where it really stood out
> was
>> "Outland" which was written and directed by Peter Hyams and starred
> Sean
>> Connery and Peter Boyle.  This was a 1981 sci-fi classic that got a
>> rather poor treatment when released on DVD way back when DVDs were
> first
>> released.  Also Netflix's streaming version is pan and scan as well as
>> poorly encoded.
>>
>> Well, Warner Brothers decided to release a new version on Bluray and I
>> was able to pick it up this week on sale at Fry's for only $8.  It is
> an
>> excellent widescreen (2:40:1) transfer and remixed with 5.1 sound.
>> Hiyams also provides a recently recorded very interesting commentary
> for
>> the movie.
>>
>> The film if you've never seen it is essentially a western that takes
> in
>> a mining community on Jupiter's moon Io.  Connery plays the marshall
> and
>> Boyle the corporate mining boss.  Hiyams says he wanted to make a
>> western but no one wanted to finance one back then so he essentially
>> wrote one that takes place in the future.  As he says it's more like
>> "Deadwood" than "The Searchers."   The film stands up well though
> Hiyams
>> mentions he tried to get investors interested in doing a new version
>> (rumors abounded a couple years about about this) but no one was
> interested.
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082869/
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay activists- largely intolerant of others beliefs.

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Funny how LGBT,(Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transgendered), 
> > > > activists have so little toleration for others beliefs, 
> > > > especially Christians, what blatant hypocrisy. The 
> > > > 'parental role' would be to show them (LGBT) the errors 
> > > > of their ways and lead them to behavior that leads to 
> > > > 'true' happiness. 
> > > 
> > > Alternatively, those of us who do not consider sexual
> > > preference much of a fuckin' issue could adopt a 
> > > "parental role" with the Chick-Fil-A supporters and
> > > teach them that they're idiotic, homophobic, fear-
> > > driven Bible bigots. If they figured that out, I'm 
> > > pretty sure they'd be happier, too.
> > > 
> > > > Story:
> > > > 
> > > > Nearly 600,000 supporters signed up to celebrate Chick-
> > > > fil-A Appreciation Day today, which former Arkansas Gov. 
> > > > Mike Huckabee created to counter a boycott launched by 
> > > > gay marriage activists last week after Chick-fil-A CEO 
> > > > Dan Cathy said he was "guilty as charged" for not 
> > > > supporting gay marriage. 
> > > > 
> > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/chick-fil-supporters-gather-appreciation-day/story?id=16904664#.UBlsEaDhflY
> > 
> > We have free choice to find out, don't we! And, in time 
> > we will all find out whether our choices were wise or 
> > ignorant. You have that freedom, and God's gives it to 
> > you, far be it for me to take it away.  Doesn't mean I 
> > should/would condone it.
> 
> We are finally agreed about something. 
> 
> I feel the same way about homophobic idiots.

I left off the smiley faces in both of the above
posts because you did, but I was chuckling the
entire time I wrote them. I personally feel that
the homophobic idiots at Chick-Fil-A have done a
tremendous service to the rights of LGBT citizens
in America.

I mean, a PR firm *for* the LBGT cause could not
have orchestrated a better media event. First the
president of C-F-A announces in public that he's
vehemently anti-gay, quoting Bible verses to back
him up. Then, when one of his business partners
the Jim Henson company takes issue with his words
and sends back his check as co-partner with them
for Henson-brand "happy meals," what does Mr.
Brilliant do?

He arranges for Chick-Fil-A locations to put signs
up in their windows saying that the happy meals had
been withdrawn for "safety reasons," and blaming
the supplier for any potential injuries to children
(which even they admit never happened).

A day or so later, on a Facebook forum that had
arisen to protest Chick-Fil-A's idiocy, someone 
created a fictional Facebook profile for a fictional
female teenager, and began to post rants in support
of Chick-Fil-A, each followed by some of the same
Bible verses its founder used. It took only a couple 
of hours for some blogger to point out that the photo 
of the "teenager" was a stock photo from a photo 
service, and that the entire FB profile was a fake. 

Then Chick-Fil-A's head PR guy dies of a heart attack. 
Now tell me *that* isn't the fuckin' Will Of God.  :-)

At this point even homophobic good 'ole boys from
the Deep South are laughing at Chick-Fil-A, and thus
at the deeply homophobic beliefs they espouse. Sooner
or later these good 'ole boys will breed, and when
they do their kids will grow up a little less afraid
of the people their own parents were afraid of, 
until they laughed, and got over it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today's lesson on the Food Stamp Program, or SNAP.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
>
> The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of
> Agriculture, is actually proud of the fact it is distributing
> the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps than ever
> before in history.

Yes, it certainly should be proud of the fact that fewer
people will be going hungry.
 
> Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. 
> Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the 
> Animals." 
> 
> Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will
> grow dependent on handouts, become lazy, get fat, and will not 
> learn how to take care of themselves, and will become completely 
> helpless burdens on society.

I don't think that could be the reason as stated, unless
the National Park Service is talking only about baby animals.
Animals don't become adults unless they've learned how to
take care of themselves.

Plus which, if the animals are being fed by handouts from
admiring visitors, that doesn't exactly constitute their
being "burdens on society." The folks who are feeding them
obviously don't consider it a burden, and it doesn't cost
anybody else a penny.

Nor, for that matter, does it mean the animals have
forgotten how to take care of themselves.

Remember, too, as Bhairitu points out, that the food
animals eat in their native habitats is free. There's no
such thing as an animal losing its job or having huge
medical bills because it doesn't have insurance, and
therefore not being able to buy sufficient food because
it doesn't have enough money.

Oh, and people who get food stamps will be *less* likely
to get fat, because they'll be able to afford healthier
food.

> This ends today's lesson.

It never began, BillyG. Apples and kiwi fruit. Dumb.
Very dumb. Typical right-wing nonsense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay activists- largely intolerant of others beliefs.

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> > >
> > > Funny how LGBT,(Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transgendered), 
> > > activists have so little toleration for others beliefs, 
> > > especially Christians, what blatant hypocrisy. The 
> > > 'parental role' would be to show them (LGBT) the errors 
> > > of their ways and lead them to behavior that leads to 
> > > 'true' happiness. 
> > 
> > Alternatively, those of us who do not consider sexual
> > preference much of a fuckin' issue could adopt a 
> > "parental role" with the Chick-Fil-A supporters and
> > teach them that they're idiotic, homophobic, fear-
> > driven Bible bigots. If they figured that out, I'm 
> > pretty sure they'd be happier, too.
> > 
> > > Story:
> > > 
> > > Nearly 600,000 supporters signed up to celebrate Chick-
> > > fil-A Appreciation Day today, which former Arkansas Gov. 
> > > Mike Huckabee created to counter a boycott launched by 
> > > gay marriage activists last week after Chick-fil-A CEO 
> > > Dan Cathy said he was "guilty as charged" for not 
> > > supporting gay marriage. 
> > > 
> > > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/chick-fil-supporters-gather-appreciation-day/story?id=16904664#.UBlsEaDhflY
> 
> We have free choice to find out, don't we! And, in time 
> we will all find out whether our choices were wise or 
> ignorant. You have that freedom, and God's gives it to 
> you, far be it for me to take it away.  Doesn't mean I 
> should/would condone it.

We are finally agreed about something. 

I feel the same way about homophobic idiots.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay activists- largely intolerant of others beliefs.

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> >
> > Funny how LGBT,(Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transgendered), 
> > activists have so little toleration for others beliefs, 
> > especially Christians, what blatant hypocrisy. The 
> > 'parental role' would be to show them (LGBT) the errors 
> > of their ways and lead them to behavior that leads to 
> > 'true' happiness. 
> 
> Alternatively, those of us who do not consider sexual
> preference much of a fuckin' issue could adopt a 
> "parental role" with the Chick-Fil-A supporters and
> teach them that they're idiotic, homophobic, fear-
> driven Bible bigots. If they figured that out, I'm 
> pretty sure they'd be happier, too.
> 
> > Story:
> > 
> > Nearly 600,000 supporters signed up to celebrate Chick-
> > fil-A Appreciation Day today, which former Arkansas Gov. 
> > Mike Huckabee created to counter a boycott launched by 
> > gay marriage activists last week after Chick-fil-A CEO 
> > Dan Cathy said he was "guilty as charged" for not 
> > supporting gay marriage. 
> > 
> > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/chick-fil-supporters-gather-appreciation-day/story?id=16904664#.UBlsEaDhflY

We have free choice to find out, don't we! And, in time we will all find out 
whether our choices were wise or ignorant. You have that freedom, and God's 
gives it to you, far be it for me to take it away.  Doesn't mean I should/would 
condone it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay activists- largely intolerant of others beliefs.

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
>
> Funny how LGBT,(Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transgendered), 
> activists have so little toleration for others beliefs, 
> especially Christians, what blatant hypocrisy. The 
> 'parental role' would be to show them (LGBT) the errors 
> of their ways and lead them to behavior that leads to 
> 'true' happiness. 

Alternatively, those of us who do not consider sexual
preference much of a fuckin' issue could adopt a 
"parental role" with the Chick-Fil-A supporters and
teach them that they're idiotic, homophobic, fear-
driven Bible bigots. If they figured that out, I'm 
pretty sure they'd be happier, too.

> Story:
> 
> Nearly 600,000 supporters signed up to celebrate Chick-
> fil-A Appreciation Day today, which former Arkansas Gov. 
> Mike Huckabee created to counter a boycott launched by 
> gay marriage activists last week after Chick-fil-A CEO 
> Dan Cathy said he was "guilty as charged" for not 
> supporting gay marriage. 
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/chick-fil-supporters-gather-appreciation-day/story?id=16904664#.UBlsEaDhflY

[FairfieldLife] Gay activists- largely intolerant of others beliefs.

[wgm4u]

Funny how LGBT,(Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transgendered), activists have so 
little toleration for others beliefs, especially Christians, what blatant 
hypocrisy. The 'parental role' would be to show them (LGBT) the errors of their 
ways and lead them to behavior that leads to 'true' happiness. 



Story:

Nearly 600,000 supporters signed up to celebrate Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day 
today, which former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee created to counter a boycott 
launched by gay marriage activists last week after Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy 
said he was "guilty as charged" for not supporting gay marriage. 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/chick-fil-supporters-gather-appreciation-day/story?id=16904664#.UBlsEaDhflY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: 66 YEARS LATER

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Not all of what you posted here was visible. Forwarding email does not always 
work well if there are pictures. There are truths in what both the Republicans 
and Democrats here have been posting in their ideological battle of 
conservative versus liberal. Finding those bits of reality is a challenge. 

To quote John Adams, probably the main driver for independence of the Colonies 
from Britain and the second president of the United States:

'Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders 
itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.'

[FairfieldLife] Re: What 50+ is like if you're a supermodel

[merudanda]

yeah cuddling cute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowsoZomu0c

in perfection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paVED2TFvEk&noredirect=1

-no kidding
gotta go --to survive apocalypse [:D]
Life seems like this typhoon tide that swept
   me bare,
Words, words in time, eternities
of air.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
wrote:
>
> Oh, I was kidding...sighit's all coming together perfectly
>
>
> 
>  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 5:17 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What 50+ is like if you're a supermodel
>
>
>
> sigh Thank you-sigh.
> No doubt you, Emily Reyn, understood, as expected, quite well by
public  # 315708 +315704 indicating you are " more and more convinced
that looking for a job is, in fact, *not* the next indicated step for"
you(J'attendais et je sombre ) in response to these  seemingly
everlasting doomy-gloomy out of context postings and  on Wed Aug 1, 
with your you'll "look for a job in September" post  put it-as well
expected- the Apocalypse into shame and ashes(Jetez au vent mes tristes
cendres, voilà ) .
>
> So why not  soften the harsh guilt ridden so  un-yogic-anti-TM
destructive appeal "Remember you are hast'ning onTo death's dark gloomy
shade;Your joys on earth will soon be gone,Your flesh in dust be laid.."
start TM go to the Dome and playing with this rhymes?
> desert=dessert and
>  the tender heart of "Le desert"de mon "coeur"(ev'ry secret of my
heart)revealing the just-sweet-secret in public
>
> "And I receive my just dessert
> For all that I have done"sigh
> which has been so beautiful done  by seattlefloyd on Aug 11, 2011
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowsoZomu0c
>
>
> Hinting to the history of the  love -erotomania -cal element  in
apocalyptic-ism and apocalyptic love:  Do not ask me to "elaborate"
> American-wise
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2j578jTBCY
>
> sigh
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> >
> > Here's the link to that scene on youtube called Jane Fonda on acting
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqyk4VgYntE
> >
> > sigh
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:11 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What 50+ is like if you're a supermodel
> >
> >
> >
> > Re-watching "Jane's circle of light"3 min speech her so humbly
defining the suffocating anxiety that goes into executing  a flawlessly
"flow"of a scene of great mesmerizing  intoxicating, exhilarating and
terrifying  potential --I wonder if turquoiseb are-was just  searching
for these achievement  of"one take" orchestral perfection in his
watching and reviewing movies since he  started in the mask of Uncle
Tantra ..or?
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqyk4VgYntE
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately, too much of the conversation is a little 
clichéd and
> > > wine-fueled and so many stars are presented in rapid succession,
> > > Arquette's one-on-one conversations works best.
> > >
> > > For five -six spellbinding minutes, Fonda takes us into  her soul
> > > ,offers up her personal  kind of peak moment experience of the
ultimate
> > > ecstasy of movie acting .If you love movies, agree, this segment
alone
> > > makes "Searching for Debra Winger" worth watching. You
could/should just
> > > jump straight to Scene 22.
> > > Stunning photos at
> > >
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/about-face-timothy-greenfield-s\
\
> > > anders_n_1711344.html#slide=1285846
> > >
 > > sanders_n_1711344.html#slide=1285846>
> > > thanks
> > >
http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/about-face-the-supermodels-then-and-now\
\
> > > /index.html
> > > http://tinyurl.com/7csz6j7
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >snip
> > > . The whole film was IMO worth seeing just for Jane Fonda's
> > > > segment. At the time, this was the first time she'd been in
front of
> > > > film cameras for over a decade, having retired from the biz. But
to
> > > see
> > > > her deal with the question of what was *best* about her whole
> > > experience
> > > > in the movies is itself worth the price of admission.
> > > >
> > > > "Searching For Debra Winger." Good film.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-GALaD2kuE
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Golden oldie sci-fi movie

[turquoiseb]

I second the recommendation. "Outland" is an unapologetic
remake of "High Noon" set in space, starring Sean Connery
instead of Gary Cooper. For 1981, it even did "space tech"
right in many ways, such as having both the cops and the
bad guys use shotguns instead of projectile (bullet)
weapons. Bullets go through hull walls and kill you by
letting the air out; shotguns don't.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> We've discussed how films like "Alien" and "Blade Runner" take place
in
> a future where there instead of government you have a "corporate
> state."  Ridley Scott even called it "corporate communism" in his
> commentary for "Blade Runner."  But a film where it really stood out
was
> "Outland" which was written and directed by Peter Hyams and starred
Sean
> Connery and Peter Boyle.  This was a 1981 sci-fi classic that got a
> rather poor treatment when released on DVD way back when DVDs were
first
> released.  Also Netflix's streaming version is pan and scan as well as
> poorly encoded.
>
> Well, Warner Brothers decided to release a new version on Bluray and I
> was able to pick it up this week on sale at Fry's for only $8.  It is
an
> excellent widescreen (2:40:1) transfer and remixed with 5.1 sound.
> Hiyams also provides a recently recorded very interesting commentary
for
> the movie.
>
> The film if you've never seen it is essentially a western that takes
in
> a mining community on Jupiter's moon Io.  Connery plays the marshall
and
> Boyle the corporate mining boss.  Hiyams says he wanted to make a
> western but no one wanted to finance one back then so he essentially
> wrote one that takes place in the future.  As he says it's more like
> "Deadwood" than "The Searchers."   The film stands up well though
Hiyams
> mentions he tried to get investors interested in doing a new version
> (rumors abounded a couple years about about this) but no one was
interested.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082869/

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cloud Atlas, the movie

[merudanda]

After so much   week long cleaning and moving in the midst of a new
typhoon have to stay alert during night  but want to shift my attention
from the destructive nature around here--- let me a little stiff --sneak
into your chat  with following question:
Isn't  the reincarnation motif and   linking  different worlds and time
with characters, causes and effects  an already often discussed movie
topic here at FFL eg. the ill-fated "The Fountain", which hopped,
skipped and jumped from conquistador New Spain to a spaceship travelling
in the far future via a modern-day trip to a hospital deathbed and many
other?
Why described  it as "unfilmable"?
It's all over the internet that  David Mitchell said himself "A novel
can't do multi-role acting: a film can"  indicating that the film will
take the somehow irritating  loose connections of the novel and expand
them into the major theme of the film: "The reincarnation motif in the
book is just a hinted-at linking device, but the script gives it centre
stage to link the six worlds with characters, causes and effects." The
film will therefore feature all the principle actors playing multiple
roles of different ages, sexes and races.
Only the medium film IMHO  can flitting through time and space like a
lucid-dreaming butterfly, settles momentarily on apparently connected
characters inhabiting the 19th, 20th and early 21st centuries before
spinning gracefully off into the near future and heaven-knows-where from
there.
  So the 6 loosely interconnected stories makes sense only:
linear: an 1850 diary of an ocean voyage across the Pacific; letters
from a composer to his friend; a thriller about a murder at a nuclear
power plant; a farce about a publisher in a nursing home; a rebellious
clone in futuristic Korea; and the tale of a tribe living in
post-apocalyptic Hawaii, far in the future.
  Interwoven:In the 1930s, a pianist  writes to a friend about a
half-finished journal he has been reading by a lawyer voyaging by sea to
San Francisco in 1849. In the 1970s,  a journalist  ruminates on man's
inability to learn from his mistakes as she reads the musician's letter.
Later on, she may appear- apparently reincarnated- as a tattooed Pacific
island native. Meanwhile, another character  hears a melody played by
Whishaw in a dream of the future by a  cloned Korean dancing girl in a
cafe.
  All the different shady, stern etc character in multiple guises  to be
guessed by the audience similar here at FFL (only difference we are all
here good mannered beautiful young healthy enlightened religious
peaceful unique.. but may in different world and time , too).. and
too have a chronist- scriptwriter--leader of the band...drone [:D]

uups that from "Cafe"
what a noise out there- hope the walls and doors are holding...

Life seems like this typhoon wind that blew
   me guide less,
Life seems like this typhoon tide that swept
   me bare,
This much is left of all its rosy
promise
Words, words in time, eternities
of air.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wayback71@ wrote:
> >
> > I am a fan of the novel, and am eager to see the film. The
> > novel is complex, fascinating, beautifully written, with
> > 5 stories that "nest" within each other yet connect past
> > and future.
>
> You were the person who turned me on to the novel, for
> which I probably forgot to thank you. Thank you.
>
> It's one of those novels that is usually described as
> "unfilmable." But so was "Perfume: The Story of a
> Murderer," and Tom Tykwer did a tremendous job with
> that.
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, the movie, as difficult as that might be to believe,
> > > for fans of the novel. Directed by Tom Tykwer ("Run Lola
> > > Run," "Perfume: The Story of a Murderer") and the Wachkowski
> > > brothers (now brother and sister, directors of "The Matrix"
> > > films), and with an incredible cast, it looks like the
> > > movie of the year:
> > >
> > > http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2146673945/
> > >
> > > As for Lana (previously Larry) Wachkowski, now we know
> > > what happens when you take the red pill.  :-)
> > >
> > >
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/matrix-director-sex-change-larr\
y-wachowski_n_1720944.html
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What 50+ is like if you're a supermodel

[Emily Reyn]

Oh, I was kidding...sighit's all coming together perfectly



 From: merudanda 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 5:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What 50+ is like if you're a supermodel
 

  
sigh Thank you-sigh.
No doubt you, Emily Reyn, understood, as expected, quite well by public  # 
315708 +315704 indicating you are " more and more convinced that looking for a 
job is, in fact, *not* the next indicated step for" you(J'attendais et je 
sombre ) in response to these  seemingly everlasting doomy-gloomy out of 
context postings and  on Wed Aug 1,  with your you'll "look for a job in 
September" post  put it-as well expected- the Apocalypse into shame and 
ashes(Jetez au vent mes tristes cendres, voilà) . 

So why not  soften the harsh guilt ridden so  un-yogic-anti-TM destructive 
appeal "Remember you are hast'ning onTo death's dark gloomy shade;Your joys on 
earth will soon be gone,Your flesh in dust be laid.." start TM go to the Dome 
and playing with this rhymes?
desert=dessert and
 the tender heart of "Le desert"de mon "coeur"(ev'ry secret of my 
heart)revealing the just-sweet-secret in public

"And I receive my just dessert
For all that I have done"sigh
which has been so beautiful done  by seattlefloyd on Aug 11, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowsoZomu0c 


Hinting to the history of the  love -erotomania -cal element  in 
apocalyptic-ism and apocalyptic love:  Do not ask me to "elaborate"
American-wise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2j578jTBCY

sigh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Here's the link to that scene on youtube called Jane Fonda on acting
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqyk4VgYntE
> 
> sigh
> 
> 
> 
>  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:11 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What 50+ is like if you're a supermodel
> 
> 
>   
> Re-watching "Jane's circle of light"3 min speech her so humbly defining the 
> suffocating anxiety that goes into executing  a flawlessly "flow"of a scene 
> of great mesmerizing  intoxicating, exhilarating and terrifying  potential 
> --I wonder if turquoiseb are-was just  searching for these achievement  
> of"one take" orchestral perfection in his watching and reviewing movies since 
> he  started in the mask of Uncle Tantra ..or?
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqyk4VgYntE
> > 
> > Unfortunately, too much of the conversation is a little  clichéd and
> > wine-fueled and so many stars are presented in rapid succession,
> > Arquette's one-on-one conversations works best.
> > 
> > For five -six spellbinding minutes, Fonda takes us into  her soul
> > ,offers up her personal  kind of peak moment experience of the ultimate
> > ecstasy of movie acting .If you love movies, agree, this segment alone
> > makes "Searching for Debra Winger" worth watching. You could/should just
> > jump straight to Scene 22.
> > Stunning photos at
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/about-face-timothy-greenfield-s\
> > anders_n_1711344.html#slide=1285846
> >  > sanders_n_1711344.html#slide=1285846>
> > thanks
> > http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/about-face-the-supermodels-then-and-now\
> > /index.html
> > http://tinyurl.com/7csz6j7
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >snip
> > . The whole film was IMO worth seeing just for Jane Fonda's
> > > segment. At the time, this was the first time she'd been in front of
> > > film cameras for over a decade, having retired from the biz. But to
> > see
> > > her deal with the question of what was *best* about her whole
> > experience
> > > in the movies is itself worth the price of admission.
> > >
> > > "Searching For Debra Winger." Good film.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-GALaD2kuE
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Golden oldie sci-fi movie

[Bhairitu]

We've discussed how films like "Alien" and "Blade Runner" take place in 
a future where there instead of government you have a "corporate 
state."  Ridley Scott even called it "corporate communism" in his 
commentary for "Blade Runner."  But a film where it really stood out was 
"Outland" which was written and directed by Peter Hyams and starred Sean 
Connery and Peter Boyle.  This was a 1981 sci-fi classic that got a 
rather poor treatment when released on DVD way back when DVDs were first 
released.  Also Netflix's streaming version is pan and scan as well as 
poorly encoded.

Well, Warner Brothers decided to release a new version on Bluray and I 
was able to pick it up this week on sale at Fry's for only $8.  It is an 
excellent widescreen (2:40:1) transfer and remixed with 5.1 sound.  
Hiyams also provides a recently recorded very interesting commentary for 
the movie.

The film if you've never seen it is essentially a western that takes in 
a mining community on Jupiter's moon Io.  Connery plays the marshall and 
Boyle the corporate mining boss.  Hiyams says he wanted to make a 
western but no one wanted to finance one back then so he essentially 
wrote one that takes place in the future.  As he says it's more like 
"Deadwood" than "The Searchers."   The film stands up well though Hiyams 
mentions he tried to get investors interested in doing a new version 
(rumors abounded a couple years about about this) but no one was interested.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082869/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Share Long]

Feeling very Echo y here (-:


Fun to read you and Xeno, also you and Cricket. 


As for that other post, as Jerry Seinfeld would say, "I'm not making this up," 
there's been a woman in the Dome for about a month now who looks EXACTLY like 
that nurse!  She used to sit right in front of me and give me the thumbs up 
when she stepped over me to get to her backjack.  Looking like a dark haired 
Anjolie Joli and acting like jolly hockey sticks.  It's a funny old world for 
sure...



 From: Robin Carlsen 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ

Robert Goulet could sing (and is Canadian), but this is better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya46wfeWqJk


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Today's lesson on the Food Stamp Program, or SNAP.

[Bhairitu]

On 08/01/2012 07:15 AM, wgm4u wrote:
> The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, 
> is actually proud of the fact it is distributing the greatest amount of free 
> meals and food stamps than ever before in history.

Shows that capitalism doesn't work does it?  The greedy wind up having 
everything and control food prices, jobs, etc.   The greedy are the 
modern day equivalent of "rakshasas" though I have also pointed out that 
in modern Hindi the word "rakshasa" is also used to describe a "wicked 
person."   Capitalism breeds entropy and an imbalance to society.  It 
may work fine in small populations where it is difficult to accumulate 
too much wealth.

The solution is to restrict estates to only a few million dollars. 
Beyond that a progressive tax kicks in.  That's not to make money for 
the government but to discourage greed or money addiction.

Be thankful there is a food stamp program or you would be more likely to 
get robbed walking down the street.  Or have a more difficult time 
figuring out if the guy begging for money is going to actually use it 
for food or a can of malt liquor.

>
> Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of 
> the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals."
>
>
> Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent 
> on handouts, become lazy, get fat, and will not learn how to take care of 
> themselves, and will become completely helpless burdens on society.

But there is plenty of free food for the animals in those parks. They 
don't need to be fed by park visitors.I mentioned the dimbos that 
feed the birds at the local park (usually with white bread crumbs which 
is not good for them) in the parking lot which is dangerous for the 
birds.  There is a pond with a beach nearby to feed the birds.  No rule 
saying you can't either.  But that pond has plenty of fish for feeding 
and there is a huge strait next to the park too which has plenty of fish 
so no bird is going to starve. And the main thing we get from the bird 
feeders is bird shit on our cars.

>
> This ends today's lesson.

I'll give you a D for effort. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Diary

[Robin Carlsen]

Feels pretty tabula rasa to me, iranitea. Thanks. Seems we might go places 
together, then.

Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> >
> 
> > Robin3: Seems about the most interesting and penetrating thing you have 
> > ever said to me. Gives me something to think about, iranitea. That "stern 
> > and judgmental patronizing". I will have to watch that, because my aim 
> > always is to keep the love going (even underneath the irony:—for me, my 
> > love fuels my irony). I could even in a second love Barry. But he won't let 
> > that happen. And either, it seems, will you. But I think in this post, 
> > especially, you have done your best. And that will have to do.
> > 
> > I have an intuition you are an interesting and thoughtful person. But we 
> > both need to perform at our best, I think. I will do my homework here. And 
> > perhaps we can meet again and find ourselves enjoying this Creation within 
> > which we find ourselves—without having any choice in the matter—existing. I 
> > figure Creation, it was a good idea. And no doubt you are too, iranitea.
> >
> 
> See, Robin, I am running out of time, having to do still some preparations 
> for my trip and finish some job here before I go. I just had to install a new 
> OS which I was downloading at night, and yes, I have a job, I simply have no 
> time now for any kind of long on going conversation. We'll see when I return, 
> but then not anymore from Persia ;-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Diary

[iranitea]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>

> Robin3: Seems about the most interesting and penetrating thing you have ever 
> said to me. Gives me something to think about, iranitea. That "stern and 
> judgmental patronizing". I will have to watch that, because my aim always is 
> to keep the love going (even underneath the irony:—for me, my love fuels my 
> irony). I could even in a second love Barry. But he won't let that happen. 
> And either, it seems, will you. But I think in this post, especially, you 
> have done your best. And that will have to do.
> 
> I have an intuition you are an interesting and thoughtful person. But we both 
> need to perform at our best, I think. I will do my homework here. And perhaps 
> we can meet again and find ourselves enjoying this Creation within which we 
> find ourselves—without having any choice in the matter—existing. I figure 
> Creation, it was a good idea. And no doubt you are too, iranitea.
>

See, Robin, I am running out of time, having to do still some preparations for 
my trip and finish some job here before I go. I just had to install a new OS 
which I was downloading at night, and yes, I have a job, I simply have no time 
now for any kind of long on going conversation. We'll see when I return, but 
then not anymore from Persia ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation

[Share Long]

Hi Vaj, 

Just to tell you that I got a chuckle with this.  Tho not sure that's what you 
intended (-:

Why did I chuckle?  BECAUSE YOU USED ABOUT A BAZILLION (IRISH EXAGGERATING FOR 
EFFECT) additional abstract words to explain the original three I was asking 
about!

For sure the laughter was more beneficial than anything else would have been.  
So thanks.
Share




 From: Vaj 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during 
meditation
 

  


On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Share Long  wrote:

Thanks.  This is clear and very helpful.
>
>
>Just one question:  it seems you are using awareness, presence and remembering 
>interchangeably (see snip below).  Am I understanding correctly?
>
>
>
>over-arching awareness or presence. It’s the over-arching remembering

In this model, awareness becomes sheer-awareness, which dissolves into nondual 
presence. All three are maintained and supported by an over-arching 
mindfulness. Combined with introspection we can thus develop a type of 
metacognition that can operate as a kind of “quality control” for quickly 
detecting laxity or mental over-excitation.

In Buddhist tradition, a mind that can falls into laxity or over-excitation is 
considered “dysfunctional”. Heaven forbid we actually train our mindstream as 
dysfunctional because of institutionalized fear of balanced attention! ;-)
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Buck...mending my ways and posting only photos of sattvic TMers

[Richard J. Williams]

sparaig:
> I might add that there are still people here who 
> apparently miss the irony of pointing fingers at 
> *everyone else* about the lack of maturity shown 
> here when they too are participants.
> 
So, is there anyone posting here under the age of 
fifty? LoL! 

> > > This forum was created for supposedly mature adults, and 
> > > if children are prohibited, but are on the forum, what 
> > > shall we say about their parents? Is there anyone here 
> > > under the age of 18?
> > 
> > Alternatively, is there anyone here who has achieved
> > an emotional or intellectual age *higher* than 18?  :-)
> > 
> > I've been kinda dismayed recently to realize that this
> > forum seems to consist of people who believe things
> > that most people on the planet would consider either
> > retarded, or insane, or both. For example:
> > 
> > * There are people here who still believe that using
> > muscle power to bounce around on their butts on slabs 
> > of foam has the magical ability to end crime and strife 
> > and bring about world peace. 
> > 
> > * There are people here who, when someone tells them
> > that they've been contacted in real time by aliens from 
> > the Pleiades, a star cluster so far away that it takes
> > *light* 500 years to travel from there to here, believe
> > every word that these supposed aliens supposedly said, 
> > and base important life decisions on their advice.
> > 
> > * There are people here whose everyday behavior and 
> > ability to hold grudges and act out on them would make 
> > junior high school kids ashamed to be seen with them.
> > 
> > * There are people who believe that hiring brown-skinned 
> > boys from India to chant to non-existent gods and goddesses 
> > for them is the way to achieve all their goals and desires 
> > in life.
> > 
> > * There are people who believe that posting a tasteful
> > photograph of a fully-clothed woman is pornography.
> > 
> > My feeling is that this forum would *benefit* from having
> > a few kids on it. Add four or five down-to-earth, feet-on-
> > the-ground modern 15-year-olds to this forum, and both
> > the emotional and intelligence quotient of the group would 
> > rise by 10 or more points.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Gore Vidal Dies

[Vaj]

On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:

The writer Gore Vidal died yesterday. I only read one work of his  
but it had a wide influence on my life. I was all of 14 or 15 when  
it crossed my path. The book was 'Messiah', a novel about the rise  
of a fictional death cult religion that eventually mostly takes  
over humanity. I think this book was always in the back of my mind  
when I eventually got involved in spiritual movements myself. Like  
the small mammals in the time of the dinosaurs, staying more in the  
shadows of the lumbering giants keeps one from getting sucked up in  
the tornado at the pinnacle of spiritual groups where basically one  
is not likely to have much of a normal life. The book is an  
illustration of how a spiritual movement wanders into the land of  
strangeness and theocratic tyranny as it evolves.


Other than watching him debate William F. Buckley during the  
presidential conventions during the 1960 U.S. presidential election  
campaign (Kennedy & Nixon), and possibly hearing some dialogue he  
wrote to trim up the screenplay for the motion picture Ben Hur  
(1959), my knowledge of this man is slight, but he left an  
indelible mark.



Vidal's times on Real Time with Bill Maher are a must see as are his  
interviews on Democracy Now!. I remember on hearing that his life was  
near the end feeling what a huge loss this is for the younger  
generations, as he represented one of the most mature liberal minds  
of our time with some real wisdom to impart.

[FairfieldLife] Today's lesson on the Food Stamp Program, or SNAP.

[wgm4u]

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is 
actually proud of the fact it is distributing the greatest amount of free meals 
and food stamps than ever before in history. 

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of 
the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." 


Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent 
on handouts, become lazy, get fat, and will not learn how to take care of 
themselves, and will become completely helpless burdens on society. 

This ends today's lesson.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cloud Atlas, the movie

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> I am a fan of the novel, and am eager to see the film. The 
> novel is complex, fascinating, beautifully written, with 
> 5 stories that "nest" within each other yet connect past 
> and future.  

You were the person who turned me on to the novel, for
which I probably forgot to thank you. Thank you.

It's one of those novels that is usually described as
"unfilmable." But so was "Perfume: The Story of a 
Murderer," and Tom Tykwer did a tremendous job with
that. 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the movie, as difficult as that might be to believe,
> > for fans of the novel. Directed by Tom Tykwer ("Run Lola
> > Run," "Perfume: The Story of a Murderer") and the Wachkowski
> > brothers (now brother and sister, directors of "The Matrix"
> > films), and with an incredible cast, it looks like the 
> > movie of the year:
> > 
> > http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2146673945/
> > 
> > As for Lana (previously Larry) Wachkowski, now we know 
> > what happens when you take the red pill.  :-)
> > 
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/matrix-director-sex-change-larry-wachowski_n_1720944.html
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gore Vidal Dies

[awoelflebater]

I meant a "thing or two".(!)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> The writer Gore Vidal died yesterday. I only read one work of his but it had 
> a wide influence on my life. I was all of 14 or 15 when it crossed my path. 
> The book was 'Messiah', a novel about the rise of a fictional death cult 
> religion that eventually mostly takes over humanity. I think this book was 
> always in the back of my mind when I eventually got involved in spiritual 
> movements myself. Like the small mammals in the time of the dinosaurs, 
> staying more in the shadows of the lumbering giants keeps one from getting 
> sucked up in the tornado at the pinnacle of spiritual groups where basically 
> one is not likely to have much of a normal life. The book is an illustration 
> of how a spiritual movement wanders into the land of strangeness and 
> theocratic tyranny as it evolves.
> 
> Other than watching him debate William F. Buckley during the presidential 
> conventions during the 1960 U.S. presidential election campaign (Kennedy & 
> Nixon), and possibly hearing some dialogue he wrote to trim up the screenplay 
> for the motion picture Ben Hur (1959), my knowledge of this man is slight, 
> but he left an indelible mark.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gore Vidal Dies

[awoelflebater]

I meant a "thing or two".(!)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> The writer Gore Vidal died yesterday. I only read one work of his but it had 
> a wide influence on my life. I was all of 14 or 15 when it crossed my path. 
> The book was 'Messiah', a novel about the rise of a fictional death cult 
> religion that eventually mostly takes over humanity. I think this book was 
> always in the back of my mind when I eventually got involved in spiritual 
> movements myself. Like the small mammals in the time of the dinosaurs, 
> staying more in the shadows of the lumbering giants keeps one from getting 
> sucked up in the tornado at the pinnacle of spiritual groups where basically 
> one is not likely to have much of a normal life. The book is an illustration 
> of how a spiritual movement wanders into the land of strangeness and 
> theocratic tyranny as it evolves.
> 
> Other than watching him debate William F. Buckley during the presidential 
> conventions during the 1960 U.S. presidential election campaign (Kennedy & 
> Nixon), and possibly hearing some dialogue he wrote to trim up the screenplay 
> for the motion picture Ben Hur (1959), my knowledge of this man is slight, 
> but he left an indelible mark.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gore Vidal Dies

[awoelflebater]

Robin knows a thing about him and William F. Buckley as well.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> The writer Gore Vidal died yesterday. I only read one work of his but it had 
> a wide influence on my life. I was all of 14 or 15 when it crossed my path. 
> The book was 'Messiah', a novel about the rise of a fictional death cult 
> religion that eventually mostly takes over humanity. I think this book was 
> always in the back of my mind when I eventually got involved in spiritual 
> movements myself. Like the small mammals in the time of the dinosaurs, 
> staying more in the shadows of the lumbering giants keeps one from getting 
> sucked up in the tornado at the pinnacle of spiritual groups where basically 
> one is not likely to have much of a normal life. The book is an illustration 
> of how a spiritual movement wanders into the land of strangeness and 
> theocratic tyranny as it evolves.
> 
> Other than watching him debate William F. Buckley during the presidential 
> conventions during the 1960 U.S. presidential election campaign (Kennedy & 
> Nixon), and possibly hearing some dialogue he wrote to trim up the screenplay 
> for the motion picture Ben Hur (1959), my knowledge of this man is slight, 
> but he left an indelible mark.
>

[FairfieldLife] Gore Vidal Dies

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

The writer Gore Vidal died yesterday. I only read one work of his but it had a 
wide influence on my life. I was all of 14 or 15 when it crossed my path. The 
book was 'Messiah', a novel about the rise of a fictional death cult religion 
that eventually mostly takes over humanity. I think this book was always in the 
back of my mind when I eventually got involved in spiritual movements myself. 
Like the small mammals in the time of the dinosaurs, staying more in the 
shadows of the lumbering giants keeps one from getting sucked up in the tornado 
at the pinnacle of spiritual groups where basically one is not likely to have 
much of a normal life. The book is an illustration of how a spiritual movement 
wanders into the land of strangeness and theocratic tyranny as it evolves.

Other than watching him debate William F. Buckley during the presidential 
conventions during the 1960 U.S. presidential election campaign (Kennedy & 
Nixon), and possibly hearing some dialogue he wrote to trim up the screenplay 
for the motion picture Ben Hur (1959), my knowledge of this man is slight, but 
he left an indelible mark.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cool loneliness: Six Kinds of Loneliness By Ani Pema Choedroen

[merudanda]

sigh elaborate--sigh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2j578jTBCY

  the mysteriously  turquoiseb flash-defunct link to "Amelie (2001) -
You're so cool" refer to the often  here at FFL admired  and quoted of  
Audrey Tautou's masterly script and performance and a  wordplay with 
"coolness" and remembering-associating  turquoiseb little Maya's
presence [:D]  and of course "counterbalance"  the seriousness of the
cool loneliness equating enlightenment Shenpa-ness
... and more..
 
[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_a32QmJypT-Q/TAEh_MvUf4I/A04/pQzRDz383\
IA/s1600/amelie.jpg]
sigh
good night...and
When you wake up in the morning..stay relaxed and touch the limitless
space of the human heart...and ...experiment with these both images..
[:D]
looking forward (m)any of your insight... to forget and loose into
ultimate space without a reference point...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
> For all our beloved cool FFL er and/or all who search for coolness
[:D]
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjesjbEQpqM
> 
> Six Kinds of Loneliness
> By Pema Choedroen
snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Buck...mending my ways and posting only photos of sattvic TMers

[Richard J. Williams]

> > This forum was created for supposedly mature adults, and 
> > if children are prohibited, but are on the forum, what 
> > shall we say about their parents? Is there anyone here 
> > under the age of 18?
> >
turquoiseb:
> Alternatively, is there anyone here who has achieved
> an emotional or intellectual age *higher* than 18?  :-)
> 
> I've been kinda dismayed recently to realize that this
> forum seems to consist of people who believe things
> that most people on the planet would consider either
> retarded, or insane, or both. For example:
> 
The things TMers believe! Go figure. Who says Barry can
change in seventeen years of posting? It's still all about
Judy. LoL! 

"In the series I hope to dispel any misconceptions about 
TM and its adherents by removing the questions and the 
criticisms they might have been responding to, and 
focusing only on strong, long-term TMers and *their own 
words*, the things that they have come to believe after 
two to three decades of regular TM practice..."

Subject: THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume I
Author: TurquoiseB
Newsgroup: Yahoo! FairfieldLife
Date: Sunday Mar 4, 2007 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/133600

> * There are people here who still believe that using
> muscle power to bounce around on their butts on slabs 
> of foam has the magical ability to end crime and strife 
> and bring about world peace. 
> 
> * There are people here who, when someone tells them
> that they've been contacted in real time by aliens from 
> the Pleiades, a star cluster so far away that it takes
> *light* 500 years to travel from there to here, believe
> every word that these supposed aliens supposedly said, 
> and base important life decisions on their advice.
> 
> * There are people here whose everyday behavior and 
> ability to hold grudges and act out on them would make 
> junior high school kids ashamed to be seen with them.
> 
> * There are people who believe that hiring brown-skinned 
> boys from India to chant to non-existent gods and goddesses 
> for them is the way to achieve all their goals and desires 
> in life.
> 
> * There are people who believe that posting a tasteful
> photograph of a fully-clothed woman is pornography.
> 
> My feeling is that this forum would *benefit* from having
> a few kids on it. Add four or five down-to-earth, feet-on-
> the-ground modern 15-year-olds to this forum, and both
> the emotional and intelligence quotient of the group would 
> rise by 10 or more points.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cloud Atlas, the movie

[Susan]

I am a fan of the novel, and am eager to see the film. The novel is complex, 
fascinating, beautifully written, with 5 stories that "nest" within each other 
yet connect past and future.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Yes, the movie, as difficult as that might be to believe,
> for fans of the novel. Directed by Tom Tykwer ("Run Lola
> Run," "Perfume: The Story of a Murderer") and the Wachkowski
> brothers (now brother and sister, directors of "The Matrix"
> films), and with an incredible cast, it looks like the 
> movie of the year:
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2146673945/
> 
> As for Lana (previously Larry) Wachkowski, now we know 
> what happens when you take the red pill.  :-)
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/matrix-director-sex-change-larry-wachowski_n_1720944.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Buck]

"There is a strange, fluid balance between anarchy, efficient but minimal 
government, and totalitarian oppression. 
Fairfield Life is the sacred plain of Kuruksetra. I hear the distant sound of
trumpets..."


>
> Fairfield Life 
> ===

[FairfieldLife] Re: What 50+ is like if you're a supermodel

[merudanda]

sigh Thank you-sigh.
No doubt you, Emily Reyn, understood, as expected, quite well by public 
# 315708 +315704 indicating you are " more and more convinced that
looking for a job is, in fact, *not* the next indicated step for"
you(J'attendais et je sombre ) in response to these  seemingly
everlasting doomy-gloomy out of context postings and  on Wed Aug 1, 
with your you'll "look for a job in September" post  put it-as well
expected- the Apocalypse into shame and ashes(Jetez au vent mes tristes
cendres, voilà) .

So why not  soften the harsh guilt ridden so  un-yogic-anti-TM
destructive appeal "Remember you are hast'ning onTo death's dark gloomy
shade;Your joys on earth will soon be gone,Your flesh in dust be laid.."
start TM go to the Dome and playing with this rhymes?
desert=dessert and
  the tender heart of "Le desert"de mon "coeur"(ev'ry secret of my
heart)revealing the just-sweet-secret in public

"And I receive my just dessert
For all that I have done"sigh [:D]
which has been so beautiful done  by seattlefloyd on Aug 11, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowsoZomu0c



Hinting to the history of the  love -erotomania -cal element  in
apocalyptic-ism and apocalyptic love:  Do not ask me to "elaborate"
American-wise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2j578jTBCY

sigh [:D]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
wrote:
>
> Here's the link to that scene on youtube called Jane Fonda on acting
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqyk4VgYntE
>
> sigh
>
>
> 
>  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:11 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What 50+ is like if you're a supermodel
>
>
>
> Re-watching "Jane's circle of light"3 min speech her so humbly
defining the suffocating anxiety that goes into executing  a flawlessly
"flow"of a scene of great mesmerizing  intoxicating, exhilarating and
terrifying  potential --I wonder if turquoiseb are-was just  searching
for these achievement  of"one take" orchestral perfection in his
watching and reviewing movies since he  started in the mask of Uncle
Tantra ..or?
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqyk4VgYntE
> > 
> > Unfortunately, too much of the conversation is a little  clichéd
and
> > wine-fueled and so many stars are presented in rapid succession,
> > Arquette's one-on-one conversations works best.
> >
> > For five -six spellbinding minutes, Fonda takes us into  her soul
> > ,offers up her personal  kind of peak moment experience of the
ultimate
> > ecstasy of movie acting .If you love movies, agree, this segment
alone
> > makes "Searching for Debra Winger" worth watching. You could/should
just
> > jump straight to Scene 22.
> > Stunning photos at
> >
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/about-face-timothy-greenfield-s\
\
> > anders_n_1711344.html#slide=1285846
> >
 > sanders_n_1711344.html#slide=1285846>
> > thanks
> >
http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/about-face-the-supermodels-then-and-now\
\
> > /index.html
> > http://tinyurl.com/7csz6j7
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >snip
> > . The whole film was IMO worth seeing just for Jane Fonda's
> > > segment. At the time, this was the first time she'd been in front
of
> > > film cameras for over a decade, having retired from the biz. But
to
> > see
> > > her deal with the question of what was *best* about her whole
> > experience
> > > in the movies is itself worth the price of admission.
> > >
> > > "Searching For Debra Winger." Good film.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-GALaD2kuE
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Crop circles appear in E. Washington wheat field

[eustace10679]

[In this July 30, 2012 photo provided by The Wilbur Register, crop circles are 
shown in a wheat field owned by Greg and Cindy Geib near Wilbur, Wash. The 
circles were first noticed on July 24, 2012. Crop circles have been a worldwide 
phenomenon for decades, and this is not the first one in Lincoln County. (AP 
Photo/The Wilbur Register, Courtney Ruiz)]

SEATTLE (AP) â€" Mysterious crop circles have appeared in an eastern Washington 
wheat field â€" not far from the nation's largest hydropower producer â€" but 
area farmers preparing for the summer's harvest find the distraction more 
amusing than alarming.

"You can't do anything other than laugh about it," said Cindy Geib, who owns 
the field along with her husband, Greg. "You just kind of roll with the theory 
it's aliens and you're special because aliens chose your spot."

Friends called the Geibs on July 24 when the pattern of flattened wheat was 
spotted off Highway 174, about five miles north of the town of Wilbur. The 
field is about 10 miles south of the Grand Coulee dam, which the Bureau of 
Reclamation says is the largest hydropower producer in the United States.

The circles resemble a four-leaf clover and remind Cindy Geib of Mickey Mouse 
ears. The design knocked down about an acre of their wheat. Some of it could be 
salvaged by combines when the harvest starts in a week or two, she said, but 
some will be lost.

"Of course, we don't have alien insurance," she said.

Crop circles have been a worldwide phenomenon for decades, and this is not the 
first one in Lincoln County. Similar circular patterns were left in crops in 
the Wilbur area in 2010 and in 2008 or 2009, Geib said.

Lynne Brougher, public affairs officer for the Grand Coulee dam, hadn't heard 
about the latest crop circles but said the previous one was no cause for alarm.

"It seemed to be highly unusual," Brougher said. "As I recall from a couple of 
years ago, there was no good explanation of how they got there."

Still, she added, "it wasn't a concern."

The latest crop circle was first reported Tuesday by Spokane station KHQ-TV 
(http://is.gd/57FTpy ). There were no signs that anyone walked into the field.

"We're trying to figure out how they got out there without breaking any of the 
wheat. It's hard to walk through the crunchy wheat and not knock it down," Geib 
said. "At the same time, it's hard to think it's aliens. It's a bizarre thing 
to wrap your brain around."

Geib's daughter-in-law, Kelly Geib of Wilbur, says the crop circle has given 
the family something to ponder and chuckle about.

"The kids all like to say the aliens have come, and we're happy to indulge 
them," she said.

http://news.yahoo.com/crop-circles-appear-e-washington-wheat-field-200318016.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ramblings around Leiden

[merudanda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paVED2TFvEk&noredirect=1



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
wrote:
>
> Dearest Robin, RC, RC(C) (subscript or superscript - let us say that
the "C" stands for "compassionate" shall we?  Just add that to your many
personas)
>
> You acknowledge me where I am, as I am, and you give me that gift. 
Yes, I took on life, but in a rebellious way and now I am forced to take
a more gentle approach and I am pretty P.O'd when I'm not visiting the
victim 'hood.
>
> The inner drive, the energy that sustained me, my ability to write and
think for a living, my physical stamina - I depended on these things -
they defined me (took them for granted in hindsight.) These things have
faded in the last 1.5 years - my emotions took over, demanded attention,
overwhelmed me.  Ahhh, WTF?  Is it the hormones, is it the family of
origin issues, is it my karma, is it the collapsed adrenal system, is it
unprocessed grief, is it negative entities taking over, is it the diet,
is it lack of spiritual discipline, is it that I am inherently flawed? 
Self-forgiveness is the hardest thing I do, or don't do as the case may
be.  In my elementary understanding and reading of well-known
verse..."Jesus said, Father forgive them for they know not what they
do."  This helps me forgive others, but I give myself no such out.
>
> My new philosophy is "pay attention to the next indicated step."  It's
all I can do..show up for drill...try to stay present.  My memory fails
mewhat is happening "now"?  Oh yeah, I have a dog and the kids are
still here.  Alright then, off to a walk in the park and a visit to the
counselor.  Our new thing. (I'm a hard ass if you didn't know...my kids
will tell you I lack compassion.)  I said: "Either you agree to family
counseling or you move out.  Period. Oh, you are only 15 (to the
youngest)?  I don't care."  They believe me.  I'm firm, not always fair,
and not always consistent, but they believe me. It's my latest attempt
to salvage the family and after today's session, my oldest thinks there
may be a glimmer of hope.  Small steps.
>
> You have been mentioning my name of late...every time, I say "What?" 
"Do you mean me?"  "Seriously?"  "Where are my poetry books?" The last
philosophy I really remember reading was while on long passages on a
sailboat back in my 20's - Nietzsche, Kierkegaard and then the novels ,
Siddhartha and Madame Bovary, as I recall.  Where was Jung? I should
read Jung perhaps.   I have so many books.
>
> Now Robin, baby, I want to tell you that your posts always surprise
me.  All of them.  I look forward to reading them.  I am so happy you
are here for now.  How funny the Iranitea exchange was.  How fabulous is
Share to chat unconditionally with you.  Unlike Marek, I don't see FFL
as a violent place - all that makes me laugh.  Not unlike today's
Prairie Home Companion.  They did the skit on conflict avoidance that
was so funny.  Share, are you reading this?  This is for you.  You have
to imagine the voices of Garrison Keillor and the typical radio female
of that show.
>
>
http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/2011/10/08/scripts/sailboat.\
shtml
>
>
> On FFL, the currently departed Mr. Price helped me claim and own
pieces of my past and places I had been that I had hidden far away from
others for many long years.  He gave me the gift of forgiveness and I
love him for that.  You give it to me as well.  I allow it in when
outside, in the trees, at the beach.  The ocean is so extraordinary -
subtly and vastly different at every beach - it cares not about our
little concerns - it is relentless in it's beauty. It washes over me
again and again and I cry in gratitude.
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:34 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ramblings around Leiden
>
>
>
> Dear Emily,
>
> I can't help but feel the struggle and trauma of what you have been
passing through for some time now: "I have fallen from the top of my
game to not being in the game at all in a pretty short timeframe, with
no end in sight, and a lot of responsibilities remaining". I wish I
could offer up a remedy; and obviously you have read too much on this
forum not to have anything more than an ambivalent attitude towards
Transcendental Meditation. Neverthelessâ€"and in a way which I
suppose is quite different from the Share Long approachâ€"I would
reach out to you with my caring for you, even as I don't know you at
all. But anyone who has followed your posts at FFL must know the
willingness of yourself to take on lifeâ€"and what it seems to be
dishing out to youâ€"and to not be conquered by your misfortune.
For myself, regardless of what you write on FFL, I sense someone who
deserves the good will and the love of those who would wish someone who
has suffered as you
>  have sufferedâ€"and who is the appealing human

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[FairfieldLife] Update about room availability at Ramana Ashram

[Richard]

Update on room availability at Ramana Ashram this winter season. Read the post. 

http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/update-on-rooms-at-ramanasramam/
 

Richard