[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Not content to make up things about people she considers
> her enemies, now Judy makes up "facts" about the Inquisition.
> That's a very Inquisitor-like thing to do.  :-)

I don't make up anything about anything or anybody. That's
your gig, Barry.

The Inquisition of which Ratzinger was named Cardinal-Prefect
in 1981 by Pope John Paul II--now known as the Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith--was, as I said, established in
1542 by Pope Paul III and has been in continuous operation
since then.

Which Inquisition did you have in mind, Barry?



> Even a short period of Googling would reveal how wrong she
> is about several things below, like being 354 years off on
> the "start date," as reported even by apologist Catholic
> organizatins. I'm pointing it out just so that she'll 
> go crazy trying to prove herself RIGHT, DAMNIT and make a
> fool of herself for our amusement.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > I was never Catholic, and don't know much about Pope
> > > Benedict, other than his uncanny resemblance to the
> > > Sith Emperor from Star Wars :-), and what was said
> > > about him before he was elected Pope, which was that
> > > he was one of the most feared men in Catholicism. I
> > > do know that he was the person who brought *back* the
> > > Inquisition to the Church, after it had finally been
> > > abolished after 600 years, and led it for many years.
> > 
> > For the record, this is not true. The Inquisition has
> > been in continuous operation since it was established
> > in 1542. It was never abolished (nor has it been around
> > for 600 years!). It has undergone a couple of name
> > changes; since 1965 it's been called the Congregation
> > for the Doctrine of the Faith.
> > 
> > Of course it doesn't burn anybody at the stake these
> > days.
> > 
> > Ratzinger was named Cardinal-Prefect of the Congregation
> > by Pope John Paul II in 1981.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > The government are assuring us it's safe but people are 
> > > > currently worried about veterinary drugs that aren't good 
> > > > for us humans entering the food chain. That and the high
> > > > Shergar content (groan again).
> > > 
> > > I can understand why you're bridling at it.
> > 
> > Are you trying to stirrup trouble?
> 
> I wish you guys would stop saddling me with these bad puns, they really are a 
> bit tack(y). Of course, the mane point here should be never to shy away from 
> unpleasant subjects like eating horse meat; we must trot out the true facts 
> in order to rein in this kind of outrage.

You're right, we shouldn't laugh at this, someone became seriously
ill after eating a Findus lasagne recently. But they are in a stable condition 
now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[turquoiseb]

Not content to make up things about people she considers
her enemies, now Judy makes up "facts" about the Inquisition.
That's a very Inquisitor-like thing to do.  :-)

Even a short period of Googling would reveal how wrong she
is about several things below, like being 354 years off on
the "start date," as reported even by apologist Catholic
organizatins. I'm pointing it out just so that she'll 
go crazy trying to prove herself RIGHT, DAMNIT and make a
fool of herself for our amusement.  :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> (snip)
> > I was never Catholic, and don't know much about Pope
> > Benedict, other than his uncanny resemblance to the
> > Sith Emperor from Star Wars :-), and what was said
> > about him before he was elected Pope, which was that
> > he was one of the most feared men in Catholicism. I
> > do know that he was the person who brought *back* the
> > Inquisition to the Church, after it had finally been
> > abolished after 600 years, and led it for many years.
> 
> For the record, this is not true. The Inquisition has
> been in continuous operation since it was established
> in 1542. It was never abolished (nor has it been around
> for 600 years!). It has undergone a couple of name
> changes; since 1965 it's been called the Congregation
> for the Doctrine of the Faith.
> 
> Of course it doesn't burn anybody at the stake these
> days.
> 
> Ratzinger was named Cardinal-Prefect of the Congregation
> by Pope John Paul II in 1981.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hitler was a Vegetarian?

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> If that's the case, eating meat cannot be blamed for violence in society 
> today.  

It isn't the case, Hitler wasn't a vegetarian though he did
sometimes order veggie food from his cook to cure him of his
bad flatulence (hope he left chickpea rissoles off the menu.)
This is according to his biographers who claim he was fond of
Bavarian sausages and game pie.

He wasn't an atheist either.

And, as far as we know, he had two testicles. Rumours that
he had only one were invented by the British secret service
in the hope it would make him seem less of a man (!)

I don't believe that eating meat is responsible for violence
either, perhaps more likely that people who become veggies
are peaceful types to start with? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: SCI Insurance Group

[at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net]

http://local.yahoo.com/info-16652379-cohen-nadine-sidha-national-insurance-group-fairfield

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  wrote:
>
> Does anyone remember the SCI Insurance Group?
> 
> It was a health insurance plan active in Fairfield in the early 1980s. Only
> open to people who'd been meditating for more than six months could enroll.
> A couple of thousand people signed up. Dick Alexander may have been one of
> the people involved.
> 
> It's hard to say when it went out of operation (late 1980s?), or what
> happened to it. Does anyone know?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hitler was a Vegetarian?

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:

> > Some people have said that Hitler wanted to be a priest and an
artist when he was younger. But the karma of his birth chart made him
take a more infamous path in life. Jyotishis have noted that he had
Shakti Yoga which made him an evil incarnate here on earth.
>
This reminds of something I remember from about 20 years ago, I was
buying something at our big independent bookstore, and somehow, because
of what I was buying, I got into a brief discussion (maybe two or three
minutes) with the person checking me out.  He was in his early twenties,
and he told me that WW2, with Hitler and Stalin and Mussolini was the
low point of this era.  And that having gotten through that, things
began a cycle of improvement.  And the more I thought about it, the more
I think he was right.

Now, right now, because of technology, it appears we are losing our
privacy, and maybe our freedoms bit by bit, under the cover of creating
a "safer" world.  I suppose the technology is irresistable in what it
can do.  Law enforcement can't resist all the tools that are available
to keep tabs on illegal activities.

I'm not sure how it's all going to play out, but I don't think very well
for the majority of us.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hitler was a Vegetarian?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > If that's the case, eating meat cannot be blamed for violence in society 
> > today.  FWIW, Hitler was apparently trying to maintain the concept of Aryan 
> > purity in his daily life.
> > 
> > v
> >
> Yes, and he was Catholic too. People who eat meat get enlightened too, though 
> not likely Hitler.
> 
> If absolute being is omnipresent as is often said, then nothing should be in 
> the way of realising it.
>

Some people have said that Hitler wanted to be a priest and an artist when he 
was younger.  But the karma of his birth chart made him take a more infamous 
path in life.  Jyotishis have noted that he had Shakti Yoga which made him an 
evil incarnate here on earth.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hitler was a Vegetarian?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 02/09/2013 02:30 PM, John wrote:
> > If that's the case, eating meat cannot be blamed for violence in society 
> > today.  FWIW, Hitler was apparently trying to maintain the concept of Aryan 
> > purity in his daily life.
> >
> > http://www.inquisitr.com/516342/hitlers-food-taster-fuhrer-had-terrible-table-habits-called-meat-broth-corpse-tea/
> >
> >
> 
> Our bodies are like cars.  Put the wrong fuel in them and use the wrong 
> "oil" they will break down.  Just as you would not put diesel in a fuel 
> tank for a car that needs regular gasoline so would you not put food in 
> a body that needs a different fuel.  Ayurveda, Chinese medicine and 
> metabolic typing spell this out.  There is no one diet that will work 
> for everyone.  Give a vegetarian diet, especially a vegan one, to a vata 
> type and they may indeed flip off the handle and become violent or 
> schizophrenic.
> 
> I've certainly run into authoritarian vegans who believe that "everyone 
> should be vegan.  Just ask what a gorilla what they eat." Well we don't 
> have any gorillas in the wild of North America so that is a little 
> difficult.  Vegans should go live in tropical jungles then where their 
> diet might work.  However there is a caveat in that usually their 
> ancestors were not vegans so it still won't work because they don't have 
> the genetics for it.
> 
> A lot of people who "try" vegan diets and start proselytizing for it do 
> so because it is a cleansing diet and for awhile it feels really good.  
> Years later though they may wind up sick.  They may lose weight but most 
> of that weight loss will be muscle not fat.  The other point to remember 
> that I just revealed is there is a SMALL percentage of people who will 
> do well on a vegetarian diet because that IS the right fuel mix for 
> them.  But they are rare in northern climes.
> 
> Something I learned years ago that after flirting with "lighter" fuel I 
> often felt better eating "reg'lar food".

One thing I've learned is that garlic aggravates the pitta constitution in me.  
If it is included in my food, I would soon start scratching my chest and arms.

I warned a friend of mine about the fiery property of garlic since he often 
complained about swollen knee joints.  But I don't believe he listened to what 
was said.




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:

> I wish you guys would stop saddling me with these bad puns, they
really are a bit tack(y). Of course, the mane point here should be never
to shy away from unpleasant subjects like eating horse meat; we must
trot out the true facts in order to rein in this kind of outrage.


Neigh, I disagree Ann. The best dialogue produces a whin whin for all
parties. Unfortunately some here are just chomping at the bit to find
fault with you. I would tell them to look in mare, and see what they
find. Of course seeing your picture may bring back memories of the time
in their lives when they sowed their wild oats.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
(snip)
> I was never Catholic, and don't know much about Pope
> Benedict, other than his uncanny resemblance to the
> Sith Emperor from Star Wars :-), and what was said
> about him before he was elected Pope, which was that
> he was one of the most feared men in Catholicism. I
> do know that he was the person who brought *back* the
> Inquisition to the Church, after it had finally been
> abolished after 600 years, and led it for many years.

For the record, this is not true. The Inquisition has
been in continuous operation since it was established
in 1542. It was never abolished (nor has it been around
for 600 years!). It has undergone a couple of name
changes; since 1965 it's been called the Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Of course it doesn't burn anybody at the stake these
days.

Ratzinger was named Cardinal-Prefect of the Congregation
by Pope John Paul II in 1981.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Ann]

OK, I really liked this little photo with caption. It was definitely worth the 
post - on your part and mine (I think I'm up to 18 now). I just might have to 
steal it and 'share' it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Buck I admit that when I left the Catholic Church behind I also
> > left behind idealizing sacrifice, the idea that in order for one
> > person or group to gain, another has to lose. I prefer win win
> > scenarios. I hope your sacrifices have also been win wins.
> 
> I'm with you on the overratednessitude of "sacrifice," but I'm
> mainly posting to share a photo I stumbled across seconds after
> reading your post that captures for me some of the true nature
> of Catholic "sacrifice." Add to this photo Pope Benedict's rela-
> tionship with his...uh...close personal secretary (known in the
> Vatican as Bel Giorgio  or Beautiful George), both during his
> time as head of the Inquisition and now as Pope, and I have to
> wonder how much sacrifice is really goin' down.
> 
>  
> [https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534898_238920456\
> 245188_1996862438_n.png]
>

[FairfieldLife] SCI Insurance Group

[Bill Coop]

Does anyone remember the SCI Insurance Group?

It was a health insurance plan active in Fairfield in the early 1980s. Only
open to people who'd been meditating for more than six months could enroll.
A couple of thousand people signed up. Dick Alexander may have been one of
the people involved.

It's hard to say when it went out of operation (late 1980s?), or what
happened to it. Does anyone know?

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I doubt you've even heard of it in the US unless you read
> > the UK version of Huffington Post or some other British 
> > rags, but one of the big scandals there right now is the
> > discovery of...uh...unexpected meats in meat dishes and
> > even in hamburger. 
> > 
> > It started with the discovery that a LOT of supermarket
> > and institutional hamburger was part horsemeat. Then they
> > discovered that many of the prepared meat products sold
> > by widespread supermarket chains such as Aldi not only 
> > contained horsemeat, but were 100% horsemeat. 
> > 
> > While I know that this very subject may be...uh...dis-
> > tasteful for vegetarians, what I find myself wondering
> > in all this furor is *why* meat packers and sellers 
> > would do such a thing. Is horsemeat that much cheaper
> > than beef? Where would horsemeat come from? Who would
> > be profiting from selling it? And where did the horses
> > rendered into meat products come from -- it's not as
> > if people were raising horses *as* meat animals?
> > 
> > Is it?
> > 
> > What *happens* when one of the horses that you care for
> > and love kicks the...uh...feed bucket? Now that I think
> > of it, there *have* to be companies, vets, or whatever
> > you can turn to in such situations, right? 
> > 
> > I'm just curious about this whole thing...
> >
> 
> Dear curious Turq,  This is a serious subject.  I've heard quite a lot about 
> it.   Yes like with spirituality I have had a lot of experience with all of 
> this subject over the long years.  But this is a subject I do not willingly 
> have an opinion on that I'd share here with a bunch of suburbanites who too 
> likely would go all emotional about something they have no idea about, 
> particularly on a list that has nothing to do with horses or much about meat 
> inspection for that matter.  Much better and more important is to stick to 
> the spiritual FFL subject and don't go distracting the bandwidth here from 
> larger spiritual things that should better be attended to here.  However, if 
> you ever visit Fairfield I'd be glad to sit and talk about it with you over 
> coffee sometime. 
> - Buck out standing in his field

Ah Buck, one day you may realize there is no difference between spiritual and 
not spiritual. As long as it has to do with life, functioning and breathing 
things and sentience then it is relevant. Now stop just standing in the field 
and do something.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > The government are assuring us it's safe but people are 
> > > currently worried about veterinary drugs that aren't good 
> > > for us humans entering the food chain. That and the high
> > > Shergar content (groan again).
> > 
> > I can understand why you're bridling at it.
> 
> Are you trying to stirrup trouble?

I wish you guys would stop saddling me with these bad puns, they really are a 
bit tack(y). Of course, the mane point here should be never to shy away from 
unpleasant subjects like eating horse meat; we must trot out the true facts in 
order to rein in this kind of outrage.

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Michael Jackson]

You are right! I am still addled from all the years of starry eyed devotion to 
TM and the practice thereof.





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

> 
> No need Nabby to tell us that Marshee's nevvies don't use Bentleys, I put 
> that in there just to ring your bell.

That's allright MJ. I know you can't distinguish a Bentley from a Buick anyway.


 

[FairfieldLife] Mentalist Noora Karma's impossible prediction (Google translation)

[card]

Noora Karma's next amazing trick with SM-League: Noora will predict 23 February 
played in National League Round results correctly.

  Already one of the game outcome is difficult to predict, but the results of a 
six-game prediction of Noora omienkin the words of the impossible. Noora will, 
however, make the impossible possible.

  The idea of ​​this trick Noora was very ennustettuaan Finland 6-1 
to win the World Cup finals in Sweden. This time the subject of the prophecy of 
matches: HIFK-Jokerit, Ilves SAIPA JYP-Tappara, KalPa-HPK, lock-Aces and 
Pelicans-Weasel.


Scam impossible
The results of prediction takes place on Tuesday, 19.2. SCUBA-Pelicans Hockey 
League match in the first erätauolla. Noora's prediction lifted the box out of 
reach of all the ice rink roof and lowered until Saturday 23.2. HIFK-Jokerit 
after the game. Noora predict all six match results of the third pair of items.

  Prophecy, revelation can follow Seiska online. Stop Kalla is in addition to 
web-hour camera surveillance in ensuring that the box remains intact ice rink 
roof from Tuesday to Saturday.

- This is the entertainment trick, which is a skill-and technology type. 
Nothing supernatural, this is not, but makes use of knowledge and skill, which 
I have accumulated over the years. In addition, prediction of the week before 
the track a little league games, Noora says Kalle Stop.

http://www.seiska.fi/viihdeuutiset/_a550470/onko+tama+temppu+jo+liian+mahdoton+jopa+noora+karmalle/

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hitler was a Vegetarian?

[Susan]

I lIked the Lierre Keith youtube video. Thanks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 02/09/2013 02:30 PM, John wrote:
> > If that's the case, eating meat cannot be blamed for violence in society 
> > today.  FWIW, Hitler was apparently trying to maintain the concept of Aryan 
> > purity in his daily life.
> >
> > http://www.inquisitr.com/516342/hitlers-food-taster-fuhrer-had-terrible-table-habits-called-meat-broth-corpse-tea/
> >
> >
> 
> Our bodies are like cars.  Put the wrong fuel in them and use the wrong 
> "oil" they will break down.  Just as you would not put diesel in a fuel 
> tank for a car that needs regular gasoline so would you not put food in 
> a body that needs a different fuel.  Ayurveda, Chinese medicine and 
> metabolic typing spell this out.  There is no one diet that will work 
> for everyone.  Give a vegetarian diet, especially a vegan one, to a vata 
> type and they may indeed flip off the handle and become violent or 
> schizophrenic.
> 
> I've certainly run into authoritarian vegans who believe that "everyone 
> should be vegan.  Just ask what a gorilla what they eat." Well we don't 
> have any gorillas in the wild of North America so that is a little 
> difficult.  Vegans should go live in tropical jungles then where their 
> diet might work.  However there is a caveat in that usually their 
> ancestors were not vegans so it still won't work because they don't have 
> the genetics for it.
> 
> A lot of people who "try" vegan diets and start proselytizing for it do 
> so because it is a cleansing diet and for awhile it feels really good.  
> Years later though they may wind up sick.  They may lose weight but most 
> of that weight loss will be muscle not fat.  The other point to remember 
> that I just revealed is there is a SMALL percentage of people who will 
> do well on a vegetarian diet because that IS the right fuel mix for 
> them.  But they are rare in northern climes.
> 
> Something I learned years ago that after flirting with "lighter" fuel I 
> often felt better eating "reg'lar food".  Most people actually prefer 
> salty, sweet and unctuous food and will do a bit better on it.  
> Americans fling with low fat foods has actually made them fatter.   
> Here's a documentary "Fat Head" (I'm sure Alex will enjoy) about that:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs
> 
> A former vegan who warns against such a practice:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNON5iNf07o
> 
> Nutrition is neither an ideology nor a belief system.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Serious Question

[Buck]

In Fairfield we've been extremely fortunate to have had the number of the great 
saints of our times visit Fairfield over the years.  It's pretty incredible 
that they come and we have got to have had such close and intimate time with 
some of them.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> the Yoga Vasistha:
> A real preceptor is one who can produce blissful sensation in the body of the 
> disciple by their sight, touch, or instructions.
> The back story, A movement held hostage.  I got a friend who lunches with 
> Bevan whence Bevan is in town and this friend says of Bevan that our Bevan is 
> scared to death of saints for fear he might have a spiritual experience.   
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Life work of The holy. 
> > 
> > On Saintly Healing Maharishi says, 
> > 
> > "That is `The department of the Almighty does it`.
> > It is not the individual - it is the department. And it is only one way, it 
> > is
> > not two ways. The help is not given, it is received. It is received by our
> > ability to attune with that.
> > 
> > And that ability develops with devotion, surrender and service. These three 
> > things - automatically one is elevated to that level. And help doesn`t come 
> > from outside, it comes from right were we are, from our own being.
> > 
> > But those unaware of one`s own being have this mechanics to help them. And 
> > this
> > is true for all the saints in all the times through out the world."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Paraphrasing Maharishi," a doctor doesn't need to be in good health to 
> > > > heal others".
> > > > 
> > > >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > No, are looking at and talking about something else bigger here.  Primary 
> > > care providers with a degree in medicine, even Chopra, are more usually 
> > > just different trades-people compared to saints.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a good answer, Mike.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I wouldn't want to have to define "holy man" or "saint," so
> > > > > I wouldn't want to say what would disqualify him (or qualify
> > > > > him, for that matter) for being either. He wasn't a perfect
> > > > > human being, that's for sure. It's up to the individual to
> > > > > decide how much they want to hold his sins against him.
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Couldn't describe?  Saints?  Okay, if you won't stick your neck out at 
> > > > this point I will for sake of the discussion here.  We all know them 
> > > > when we see them.  Saints become described by their work.  As spiritual 
> > > > people our saints are those particular people who can help people 
> > > > spiritually and who distinguish their life work that way.  More than 
> > > > just doing good works and different from folks [think Batgap.com] just 
> > > > being awake authors or spiritual teachers out on the circuit but those 
> > > > being in the work of tangibly lending spiritual transformation by 
> > > > interceding with healing for others of the binding influences in the 
> > > > subtle bodies of the spiritual psycho-physical and emotional samskara 
> > > > towards helping to free people of the binding influences in their 
> > > > spiritual life on earth.  Real saints, it's those particular 
> > > > enlightened who can tangibly or manifestly heal people who are either 
> > > > afflicted or ignorant in their spiritual lives.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, he's still a holy man, just not as holy as most of us 
> > > > > > thought. The Bible tells us that all men fall short of the Glory 
> > > > > > of God. That means that all men have and will sin. Maharishi was a 
> > > > > > man, not God. The Bible also speaks of angels coming to earth and 
> > > > > > having sex with women. Veda Vyasa had sex with an unmarried woman 
> > > > > > in a boat while crossing a river, thus we have Shukadeva. Maharishi 
> > > > > > belongs on a pedestal, just not as high as we might have thought. 
> > > > > > My thoughts are that M was a very high soul on a mission and upon 
> > > > > > taking birth as a man, he did things men do.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  From: Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > To: "mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com"; 
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:58 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Serious Question
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > OK, serious question here to all those who have defended Maharishi 
> > > > > > as a saint and true holy man. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > How do you account for the stories that several of his former skin 
> > > > > > boys have told about his sexual escapades? Mark

Re: [FairfieldLife] 4 elements and TV, just for fun

[Bhairitu]

Try Mercury in Scorpio.  Three planets in fire sign Sagittarius which 
made David Frawley declare that from the horoscope I would be a pitta 
type with "acquired" kapha.

Most people find me "artistically eccentric" which is not a bad trait 
for a creative artist to have.  That also shows in the horoscope.  It 
has made me difficult for my relatives to understand in spite of their 
support of the arts.  I was more at home more around friends who grew up 
in families of performing musicians and artists.  Makes me think of my 
relatives as being more like "rubes" :-D


On 02/09/2013 02:36 PM, Share Long wrote:
> Yes, it was between Fire and Earth.  I think I went with Earth because you 
> often sound like a very practical person.  On FFL all I can go by for anyone 
> is their writing.  Maybe your Mercury is in an earth sign Taurus, Virgo or 
> Capricorn?
>
>
>
>
> 
>   From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 4 elements and TV, just for fun
>   
>
>
> I'm sure that some TV screenplay writers may use that as part of
> formula.  Aristotle's "Poetics" is often studied in film schools for
> methods developing a script. I've read a little of which isn't saying
> much because it isn't that long a document.  But a film school grad back
> in the early 1980s watching one of my short films tipped me to Greek
> drama though he didn't mention this book.  A couple weeks back a
> director in his commentary mentioned "Poetics" and it's interesting how
> something written that long ago is still in use.
>
> Another thing about TV series screenplays is that they are often two act
> plays.  The first act presents a problem for the protagonist to solve
> and the second act the protagonist solves the problem.  Also novels can
> often be boiled down to the protagonist trying to solve a problem.
> There are even some movies that are two act plays.
>
> Interesting that you should see me as an "earth" type.  I'm pitta/kapha
> by constitution but mixed by vakriti (real pain in the ass to balance or
> bring back to constitutional state).  By palmistry I have fire hands and
> actually a fire type physique. Interesting how much these things show up
> in astrology, palmistry and alternative medicine.
>
> On 02/09/2013 09:54 AM, Share Long wrote:
>> Have read several articles over the years about how TV shows often feature 4 
>> main characters and thus reflect the traditional four main elements or modes 
>> of individuality:  thinking feeling sensing and acting.  Just my opinion, I 
>> could be wrong, just for fun, yada yada.  And I'm finally off to see 
>> Playbook postponed due to challenging weather and road conditions.
>>
>>
>> orig Star Trek
>> air thinking Spock
>> fire acting Capt Kirk
>> water feeling Bones
>> earth sensing Scotty
>>
>> Sex and the City
>> air Carrie
>> fire Amanda
>> water Charlotte
>> earth Samantha
>>
>> Seinfeld, not so sure of these
>>
>> air Jerry
>> fire Elaine
>> water Kramer
>> earth George
>>
>> Numb3rs
>> air Fleinhart
>>
>> fire Don
>> water Charlie
>> earth Allan, the Dad
>>
>> and though not a TV show YET
>> Fairfield Life not so sure of these either
>>
>> air Xeno Nablusoss navashok salyavin me
>>
>> fire turq Buck Judy Richard Doc
>>
>> water Steve Ravi Michael
>>
>> earth Raunchy Ann card Mike Bhairitu
>>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hitler was a Vegetarian?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> If that's the case, eating meat cannot be blamed for violence in society 
> today.  FWIW, Hitler was apparently trying to maintain the concept of Aryan 
> purity in his daily life.
> 
> v
>
Yes, and he was Catholic too. People who eat meat get enlightened too, though 
not likely Hitler.

If absolute being is omnipresent as is often said, then nothing should be in 
the way of realising it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hitler was a Vegetarian?

[Bhairitu]

On 02/09/2013 02:30 PM, John wrote:
> If that's the case, eating meat cannot be blamed for violence in society 
> today.  FWIW, Hitler was apparently trying to maintain the concept of Aryan 
> purity in his daily life.
>
> http://www.inquisitr.com/516342/hitlers-food-taster-fuhrer-had-terrible-table-habits-called-meat-broth-corpse-tea/
>
>

Our bodies are like cars.  Put the wrong fuel in them and use the wrong 
"oil" they will break down.  Just as you would not put diesel in a fuel 
tank for a car that needs regular gasoline so would you not put food in 
a body that needs a different fuel.  Ayurveda, Chinese medicine and 
metabolic typing spell this out.  There is no one diet that will work 
for everyone.  Give a vegetarian diet, especially a vegan one, to a vata 
type and they may indeed flip off the handle and become violent or 
schizophrenic.

I've certainly run into authoritarian vegans who believe that "everyone 
should be vegan.  Just ask what a gorilla what they eat." Well we don't 
have any gorillas in the wild of North America so that is a little 
difficult.  Vegans should go live in tropical jungles then where their 
diet might work.  However there is a caveat in that usually their 
ancestors were not vegans so it still won't work because they don't have 
the genetics for it.

A lot of people who "try" vegan diets and start proselytizing for it do 
so because it is a cleansing diet and for awhile it feels really good.  
Years later though they may wind up sick.  They may lose weight but most 
of that weight loss will be muscle not fat.  The other point to remember 
that I just revealed is there is a SMALL percentage of people who will 
do well on a vegetarian diet because that IS the right fuel mix for 
them.  But they are rare in northern climes.

Something I learned years ago that after flirting with "lighter" fuel I 
often felt better eating "reg'lar food".  Most people actually prefer 
salty, sweet and unctuous food and will do a bit better on it.  
Americans fling with low fat foods has actually made them fatter.   
Here's a documentary "Fat Head" (I'm sure Alex will enjoy) about that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs

A former vegan who warns against such a practice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNON5iNf07o

Nutrition is neither an ideology nor a belief system.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 4 elements and TV, just for fun

[Share Long]

Yes, it was between Fire and Earth.  I think I went with Earth because you 
often sound like a very practical person.  On FFL all I can go by for anyone is 
their writing.  Maybe your Mercury is in an earth sign Taurus, Virgo or 
Capricorn?  





 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 4 elements and TV, just for fun
 

  
I'm sure that some TV screenplay writers may use that as part of 
formula.  Aristotle's "Poetics" is often studied in film schools for 
methods developing a script. I've read a little of which isn't saying 
much because it isn't that long a document.  But a film school grad back 
in the early 1980s watching one of my short films tipped me to Greek 
drama though he didn't mention this book.  A couple weeks back a 
director in his commentary mentioned "Poetics" and it's interesting how 
something written that long ago is still in use.

Another thing about TV series screenplays is that they are often two act 
plays.  The first act presents a problem for the protagonist to solve 
and the second act the protagonist solves the problem.  Also novels can 
often be boiled down to the protagonist trying to solve a problem. 
There are even some movies that are two act plays.

Interesting that you should see me as an "earth" type.  I'm pitta/kapha 
by constitution but mixed by vakriti (real pain in the ass to balance or 
bring back to constitutional state).  By palmistry I have fire hands and 
actually a fire type physique. Interesting how much these things show up 
in astrology, palmistry and alternative medicine.

On 02/09/2013 09:54 AM, Share Long wrote:
> Have read several articles over the years about how TV shows often feature 4 
> main characters and thus reflect the traditional four main elements or modes 
> of individuality:  thinking feeling sensing and acting.  Just my opinion, I 
> could be wrong, just for fun, yada yada.  And I'm finally off to see Playbook 
> postponed due to challenging weather and road conditions.
>
>
> orig Star Trek
> air thinking Spock
> fire acting Capt Kirk
> water feeling Bones
> earth sensing Scotty
>
> Sex and the City
> air Carrie
> fire Amanda
> water Charlotte
> earth Samantha
>
> Seinfeld, not so sure of these
>
> air Jerry
> fire Elaine
> water Kramer
> earth George
>
> Numb3rs
> air Fleinhart
>
> fire Don
> water Charlie
> earth Allan, the Dad
>
> and though not a TV show YET
> Fairfield Life not so sure of these either
>
> air Xeno Nablusoss navashok salyavin me
>
> fire turq Buck Judy Richard Doc
>
> water Steve Ravi Michael
>
> earth Raunchy Ann card Mike Bhairitu
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Hitler was a Vegetarian?

[John]

If that's the case, eating meat cannot be blamed for violence in society today. 
 FWIW, Hitler was apparently trying to maintain the concept of Aryan purity in 
his daily life.

http://www.inquisitr.com/516342/hitlers-food-taster-fuhrer-had-terrible-table-habits-called-meat-broth-corpse-tea/

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:


> 
> No need Nabby to tell us that Marshee's nevvies don't use Bentleys, I put 
> that in there just to ring your bell.


That's allright MJ. I know you can't distinguish a Bentley from a Buick anyway.

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[doctordumbass]

Just know this, that it was IN FACT Barry, who spoke the now famous phrase, 
uttered by his disciple, Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?!". 

Quietly, a revolution is taking place - Like a silent cultural quake, those 
solemn triads on living room walls of so many common, hardworking Americans, 
the three portraits of the esteemed, almost mythical leaders, JFK, RFK, and 
Martin, now graced, heralding the New Age, with a fourth secular saint, Barry.

Tears run down my face.   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry 
> > into a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you 
> > are a (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced 
> > TM. 
> > 
> > I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* 
> > towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first 
> > teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power 
> > over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of 
> > hand.
> > 
> > Your Friend, Doc 
> 
> Thanks friend and wise and learned man. I just don't know what comes over me, 
> it must be the former conditioning that just takes me over, like some 
> enveloping fog of negativity. Then I just find myself striking out at the 
> innocents here like poor Barry. My ability to lure the Barry's of the world - 
> the powerless, impotent, mentally or spiritually challenged ones - is the 
> goal of my very existence. I just revel in the sadistic pleasure of it - 
> watching the helpless Barrys struggle, all to no avail. Am I doomed to this 
> life of perverse pleasure? Can you help me Doc? 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > > > > > more I think about it ...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > > > > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > > > > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with 
> > > > > > or challenge you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> > > > 
> > > > Well "seen." Once one has become conditioned to 
> > > > confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one
> > > > has a tendency to long for and provoke the same
> > > > types of confrontations once one has left the cult.
> > > > 
> > > > I see that I'm not the only person here who has
> > > > noticed that Ann's "gotta lure people into a one-
> > > > on-one confrontation with me" act is merely a 
> > > > subset of Robin's.
> > > 
> > > Barry, you are a card.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I doubt you've even heard of it in the US unless you read
> the UK version of Huffington Post or some other British 
> rags, but one of the big scandals there right now is the
> discovery of...uh...unexpected meats in meat dishes and
> even in hamburger. 
> 
> It started with the discovery that a LOT of supermarket
> and institutional hamburger was part horsemeat. Then they
> discovered that many of the prepared meat products sold
> by widespread supermarket chains such as Aldi not only 
> contained horsemeat, but were 100% horsemeat. 
> 
> While I know that this very subject may be...uh...dis-
> tasteful for vegetarians, what I find myself wondering
> in all this furor is *why* meat packers and sellers 
> would do such a thing. Is horsemeat that much cheaper
> than beef? Where would horsemeat come from? Who would
> be profiting from selling it? And where did the horses
> rendered into meat products come from -- it's not as
> if people were raising horses *as* meat animals?
> 
> Is it?
> 
> What *happens* when one of the horses that you care for
> and love kicks the...uh...feed bucket? Now that I think
> of it, there *have* to be companies, vets, or whatever
> you can turn to in such situations, right? 
> 
> I'm just curious about this whole thing...
>

Dear curious Turq,  This is a serious subject.  I've heard quite a lot about 
it.   Yes like with spirituality I have had a lot of experience with all of 
this subject over the long years.  But this is a subject I do not willingly 
have an opinion on that I'd share here with a bunch of suburbanites who too 
likely would go all emotional about something they have no idea about, 
particularly on a list that has nothing to do with horses or much about meat 
inspection for that matter.  Much better and more important is to stick to the 
spiritual FFL subject and don't go distracting the bandwidth here from larger 
spiritual things that should better be attended to here.  However, if you ever 
visit Fairfield I'd be glad to sit and talk about it with you over coffee 
sometime. 
- Buck out standing in his field

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Buck I admit that when I left the Catholic Church behind I also
> > > left behind idealizing sacrifice, the idea that in order for one
> > > person or group to gain, another has to lose. I prefer win win
> > > scenarios. I hope your sacrifices have also been win wins.
> > 
> > I'm with you on the overratednessitude of "sacrifice," but I'm
> > mainly posting to share a photo I stumbled across seconds after
> > reading your post that captures for me some of the true nature
> > of Catholic "sacrifice." Add to this photo Pope Benedict's rela-
> > tionship with his...uh...close personal secretary (known in the
> > Vatican as Bel Giorgio  or Beautiful George), both during his
> > time as head of the Inquisition and now as Pope, and I have to
> > wonder how much sacrifice is really goin' down.
> 
> I don't follow Catholic Church goings on, but if this is 
> true, just how does a person justify this to himself?  I 
> mean, waht ones is not easily overlooked.

I was never Catholic, and don't know much about Pope
Benedict, other than his uncanny resemblance to the
Sith Emperor from Star Wars :-), and what was said
about him before he was elected Pope, which was that
he was one of the most feared men in Catholicism. I
do know that he was the person who brought *back* the
Inquisition to the Church, after it had finally been
abolished after 600 years, and led it for many years.
The rumors about him and his personal secretary may
be just that, for all I know.

The only thing I do know for sure is that I was wait-
ing for a ladyfriend of mine to finish some business
before we went out one night in Paris, and decided to
wait for her in the bar downstairs from her apartment
in the Marais. It turned out to be an almost completely
gay bar, and as luck would have it the TV was tuned to
the Pope's coronation ceremonies. I laughed as I sat
there, a straight fly on the wall, listening to liter-
ally every gay man in the bar say things like, "Finally,
one of us is the Pope," commenting on how (according to
their gaydar) he was *obviously* gay. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV review: "House Of Cards"

[Bhairitu]

On 02/09/2013 07:25 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> I haven't seen the original 1990 BBC series that this is a remake of,
>> but have heard good things about it. That said, it is difficult for me
>> to imagine it being better than this Netflix production helmed by
> David
>> Fincher ("Fight Club," "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button," "The
>> Social Network," and the remake of "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo"),
>> James Foley ("Glengarry Glen Ross"), and others. It is taut,
> fascinating
>> from Moment One, and presents an incredible look at the dark
> underbelly
>> of politics.
>>
>> As has been mentioned by critics, much of the credit for this series'
>> success can be laid at the feet of the actors. There are almost
> certain
>> Emmy and Golden Globe nominations in the future for Kevin Spacey,
> Robin
>> Wright, and Kate Mara, and a few of the supporting players like Corey
>> Stoll and Sandrine Holt may get noticed as well.
>>
>> Spacey is a force majeure in this series. He plays the Majority Whip
> of
>> Congress, and in the opener gets shafted by the President in his bid
> to
>> become Secretary of State. Bahd idea. He vows vengeance, and the rest
> of
>> the series (so far...I'm on episode 7 of 13) is pretty much about how
> he
>> gets it. He's the kind of psychopath that no one can tell is a
>> psychopath, and it's chilling to see how efficiently, soullessly and
>> cold-bloodedly he does the things he does. He is incredibly
> well-matched
>> in this by his wife, played by Robin Wright, as a beautiful woman who
> is
>> almost as calculating as he is, who married him originally because he
>> promised her a life that would never be boring, and who is with him
>> pretty much every step of the way in his machinations. Kate Mara plays
> a
>> young, ambitious reporter whom Spacey's character lures into his web,
>> and into his bed. To give you an idea of the dynamics between Spacey
> and
>> his wife Claire (Wright), she knows right from the beginning that he's
>> having a fling with her, just as he knows about her occasional lovers,
>> and both are fine with this, because it doesn't effect the
> relationship
>> they have with each other in any way.
>>
>> One of the most effective techniques in the series is found in the
>> moments when Kevin Spacey turns and speaks directly to the camera --
> to
>> us, in the audience. It is used for remarkable effect at times, such
> as
>> the moment when Congressman Frank Underwood (Spacey) is addressing a
>> congregation in a church, from the pulpit, hoping to sway them not to
>> make a big political mess out of one of his fuckups. He starts talking
>> about his father, and how close he was to him, and how angry he was at
>> God for taking him. Then, in the middle of this speech, he turns to us
>> in the audience and tells us the real story, which is that he hardly
>> knew the guy, and didn't miss him at all when he died. Then the
> "aside"
>> ends and he turns back to the congregation and continues his emotional
>> propaganda sermon...which works, of course. The "aside" didn't really
>> happen for them, but it *does* for us, and lets us into the workings
> of
>> his intelligent and charming -- but psychopathically charming -- mind.
>>
>> It's a very good series. Kudos to Netflix for taking a chance and
>> producing it, and for releasing it all at once, so that binge TV
> addicts
>> like myself can watch it straight through, without having to wait a
> week
>> between episodes.
> Well, I finished watching this series today, and I have to say that it
> left me as enthused as I was when I wrote the above, except for one
> thing -- it's over. I want seasons 2 and 3 (which have supposedly been
> greenlighted), and I want them NOW.
>
> Frank Underwood as played by Kevin Spacey is one of the great
> psychopathic villains in movie/TV history, right up there with Hannibal
> Lechter. If Hanny had been in politics, that is. Frank devours his
> victims no less than Hannibal did, and with as much cold-bloodedness and
> planning. Several times during the series we see Frank sitting at his
> chessboard, playing with...uh...himself. And probably with reason,
> because no one else would be a match for his ability to plan dozens of
> moves in advance.
>
> Frank *plans* almost everything we see in season 1 of "House Of Cards,"
> and his plans work out pretty much *as* planned. Except when they don't,
> and that may be part of the plan.
>
> And part of the plan -- at least on the part of Netflix in releasing
> this series all at once so that those of us given to marathon viewing
> can blast through it quickly -- may have been to leave viewers as
> ravenously hungry at the end of it as I am. I am now looking forward to
> the next two seasons as eagerly as I am waiting for the last season of
> "Breaking Bad," and that's saying something.
>
> I just cannot wait to see Frank and Claire do battle with the women each
> of them thought of as t

Re: [FairfieldLife] 4 elements and TV, just for fun

[Bhairitu]

I'm sure that some TV screenplay writers may use that as part of 
formula.  Aristotle's "Poetics" is often studied in film schools for 
methods developing a script. I've read a little of which isn't saying 
much because it isn't that long a document.  But a film school grad back 
in the early 1980s watching one of my short films tipped me to Greek 
drama though he didn't mention this book.  A couple weeks back a 
director in his commentary mentioned "Poetics" and it's interesting how 
something written that long ago is still in use.

Another thing about TV series screenplays is that they are often two act 
plays.  The first act presents a problem for the protagonist to solve 
and the second act the protagonist solves the problem.  Also novels can 
often be boiled down to the protagonist trying to solve a problem.  
There are even some movies that are two act plays.

Interesting that you should see me as an "earth" type.  I'm pitta/kapha 
by constitution but mixed by vakriti (real pain in the ass to balance or 
bring back to constitutional state).  By palmistry I have fire hands and 
actually a fire type physique. Interesting how much these things show up 
in astrology, palmistry and alternative medicine.

On 02/09/2013 09:54 AM, Share Long wrote:
> Have read several articles over the years about how TV shows often feature 4 
> main characters and thus reflect the traditional four main elements or modes 
> of individuality:  thinking feeling sensing and acting.  Just my opinion, I 
> could be wrong, just for fun, yada yada.  And I'm finally off to see Playbook 
> postponed due to challenging weather and road conditions.
>
>
> orig Star Trek
> air thinking Spock
> fire acting Capt Kirk
> water feeling Bones
> earth sensing Scotty
>
> Sex and the City
> air Carrie
> fire Amanda
> water Charlotte
> earth Samantha
>
> Seinfeld, not so sure of these
>
> air Jerry
> fire Elaine
> water Kramer
> earth George
>
> Numb3rs
> air Fleinhart
>
> fire Don
> water Charlie
> earth Allan, the Dad
>
> and though not a TV show YET
> Fairfield Life not so sure of these either
>
> air Xeno Nablusoss navashok salyavin me
>
> fire turq Buck Judy Richard Doc
>
> water Steve Ravi Michael
>
> earth Raunchy Ann card Mike Bhairitu
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Buck I admit that when I left the Catholic Church behind I also
> > left behind idealizing sacrifice, the idea that in order for one
> > person or group to gain, another has to lose. I prefer win win
> > scenarios. I hope your sacrifices have also been win wins.
> 
> I'm with you on the overratednessitude of "sacrifice," but I'm
> mainly posting to share a photo I stumbled across seconds after
> reading your post that captures for me some of the true nature
> of Catholic "sacrifice." Add to this photo Pope Benedict's rela-
> tionship with his...uh...close personal secretary (known in the
> Vatican as Bel Giorgio  or Beautiful George), both during his
> time as head of the Inquisition and now as Pope, and I have to
> wonder how much sacrifice is really goin' down.

I don't follow Catholic Church goings on, but if this is true, just how does a 
person justify this to himself?  I mean, waht ones is not easily overlooked.
> 
>  
> [https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534898_238920456\
> 245188_1996862438_n.png]
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[seventhray27]

Listening to Buck stories - Priceless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yes, having not gotten back to Fairfield certainly should be one of
the top five regrets-in-life: to have not made it back to Fairfield to
help with the group meditation.  Pitiable.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > ah Buck, loving your undefeated enthusiasm, heading off to Dome
now,
> > have fun (-:
> > >
> > >
> > Yes, -Buck
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the
> > immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group
> > meditation in Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in
> > Fairfield will bring spiritual security to the world and defuse the
> > precarious escalation of conflict in all the world.  It's very
clear.
> > The Domes are a really nice and effective place to meditate.  Don't
miss
> > out.  Now is not the time to miss meditation or be out of the Domes.
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea
> > > > > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what
> > > > > we have here with these Golden Domes.
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> > > >
> > > > Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> > > > what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> > > > and just aren't fuckin' interested?
> > > >
> > > > For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> > > > sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> > > > a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> > > > to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> > > > butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> > > > people get this same sense of community by painting their
> > > > faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games.
> > > >
> > > > Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense
> > > > of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really
> > > > don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> > > > to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> > > > beneficial to the world or to the environment.
> > > >
> > > > If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could
> > > > *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> > > > domes?"
> > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here.
> > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing
to do
> > with this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group
meditation
> > and a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the
> > general good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For
where
> > two or three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified Field
in
> > their midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in people on
earth.
> > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine
> > mystical experience
> > > > > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying
with
> > the heavenly
> > > > > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon
> > Krishnamurti's story and
> > > > > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical
experience
> > whereas
> > > > > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read
so
> > far, clearly
> > > > > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has
> > learned - he
> > > > > > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the
> > concepts he probably
> > > > > > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > **
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a
long
> > secret intimate
> > > > > > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best
friend
> > (Raja) was too
> > > > > > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks
like a
> > lot of here to
> > > > > > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros
> > Anartaxius" wrote:
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> (snip)
> > The government are assuring us it's safe but people are 
> > currently worried about veterinary drugs that aren't good 
> > for us humans entering the food chain. That and the high
> > Shergar content (groan again).
> 
> I can understand why you're bridling at it.

Are you trying to stirrup trouble?

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
(snip)
> The government are assuring us it's safe but people are 
> currently worried about veterinary drugs that aren't good 
> for us humans entering the food chain. That and the high
> Shergar content (groan again).

I can understand why you're bridling at it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Michael Jackson]

It might be worth it to prove once and for all that world peace is not gonna 
happen - but of course it would never get to the place of proof since the 
Srivastavas boys and Rajaram (better known as Roger RamJet) Tony and his 
buddies Bevan, Bob,  Neil, etc would scoop the money up and would never allow a 
full 10,000 course to materialize - they gotta keep them Bentleys in good shape 
- and can't allow the group to form cuz then everyone would know it was a sham 
to begin with when it doesn't work.

No need Nabby to tell us that Marshee's nevvies don't use Bentleys, I put that 
in there just to ring your bell.







 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> You lost me there - what has been proven?

That no matter how many thousands of people and no matter how many hundreds of 
years people practice TM and the siddhis we will not achieve world peace or 
coherence as a result. This is just me, being very unscientific, merely 
logical, in this assessment. So hence my advice to save your money, odds are 
against the ME.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 9:37 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > OK if you believe this, any idea how long you would have to have a group of 
> > 2000 in Fairfield to have this effect? How long you would have to have a 
> > group of 10,000 to actually create world peace?
> > 
> > Cuz if you can offer a time frame and I ever become a billionaire I will 
> > support both groups just to prove to you it won't happen thru yogic flying.
> 
> Dear MJ, I think you can save your money, it has already been proven! Now if 
> you want to know what you could do with an extra million or so, just let me 
> know.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 7:54 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the immediate 
> > urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group meditation in 
> > Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in Fairfield will bring 
> > spiritual security to the world and defuse the precarious escalation of 
> > conflict in all the world.  It's very clear.  The Domes are a really nice 
> > and effective place to meditate.  Don't miss out.  Now is not the time to 
> > miss meditation or be out of the Domes.
> > -Buck in the Dome 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea 
> > > > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what 
> > > > we have here with these Golden Domes. 
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> > > 
> > > Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> > > what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> > > and just aren't fuckin' interested? 
> > > 
> > > For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> > > sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> > > a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> > > to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> > > butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> > > people get this same sense of community by painting their
> > > faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games. 
> > > 
> > > Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense 
> > > of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really 
> > > don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> > > to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> > > beneficial to the world or to the environment. 
> > > 
> > > If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could 
> > > *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> > > domes?" 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with 
> > > > > > this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation 
> > > > > > and a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the 
> > > > > > general good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For 
> > > > > > where two or three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified 
> > > > > > Field in their midst.  One hopes for the best an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wisdom of Betty

[seventhray27]

excellent!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
>
> For Barry, because he knows how much I love him...And because I know
> what a great sense of humour he has.
>
>
>
>   [fbPhotosSnowliftCaption]
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:

> I sometimes have to think what an old TM friend, who was out of the
movement asked me at that time. He was deep into TM at a time, like
myself. He said that a clairvoyant had told him that he has an implant,
a sort of a psychic device, from his TM time, when he became a teacher.
He asked me about my opinion, I said I didn't believe in such things
really, I'm against these woo woo devices, but whenever this discussion
here comes up, I admit, I find myself thinking there might be something
to it. Well, it's probably irrational, but then it really shows how
conditioning works.

I would say this is true.  In this case a "seeker implant".  I doubt it
would be specific to TM, but may be flavored that way, if that's what
you were into.  But if you subscribe to the theory of re-existence I
would say psychic implants are all over the place.  It's what we are,
right?

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > I doubt you've even heard of it in the US unless you read
> > > the UK version of Huffington Post or some other British 
> > > rags, but one of the big scandals there right now is the
> > > discovery of...uh...unexpected meats in meat dishes and
> > > even in hamburger. 
> > > 
> > > It started with the discovery that a LOT of supermarket
> > > and institutional hamburger was part horsemeat. Then they
> > > discovered that many of the prepared meat products sold
> > > by widespread supermarket chains such as Aldi not only 
> > > contained horsemeat, but were 100% horsemeat. 
> > > 
> > > While I know that this very subject may be...uh...dis-
> > > tasteful for vegetarians, what I find myself wondering
> > > in all this furor is *why* meat packers and sellers 
> > > would do such a thing. Is horsemeat that much cheaper
> > > than beef? Where would horsemeat come from? Who would
> > > be profiting from selling it? And where did the horses
> > > rendered into meat products come from -- it's not as
> > > if people were raising horses *as* meat animals?
> > > 
> > > Is it?
> > > 
> > > What *happens* when one of the horses that you care for
> > > and love kicks the...uh...feed bucket? Now that I think
> > > of it, there *have* to be companies, vets, or whatever
> > > you can turn to in such situations, right? 
> > > 
> > > I'm just curious about this whole thing...
> > 
> > Yes, I heard about it, maybe because I was just in England. 
> > It is already a well-known fact that the French are big 
> > eaters of horse meat but I guess the Brits are much more 
> > sensitive as they are from a distinctly horsey loving 
> > culture so this would be a big deal for them, especially 
> > if it was mislabeled.
> > 
> > This might be a relevant article to check out:
> > http://www.forbes.com/sites/vickeryeckhoff/2012/06/18/how-safe-is-that-horse-meat/
> > 
> > Horsemeat is worth so much on the hoof, just like any other 
> > meat, be it cow, pig etc. There are horse auctions where 
> > unwanted horses are brought to be inevitably bought by the 
> > meat man and he will pay so much per pound. So, for example, 
> > a typical horse might weigh 1000 lbs and the meat guy could 
> > probably buy this animal for $500. 
> > 
> > Horses that reach a point where they have to be put down 
> > because of old age, injury or sickness are usually done so 
> > with a massive injection of drugs. This obviously would 
> > render the meat inedible. Also, most horses have had lots 
> > of vaccinations, medications etc. throughout their lifetime 
> > and this would also not be the best meat to be eating. You 
> > could always shoot the horse in the head, which I believe 
> > is the most humane way to put a horse down as long as you 
> > really know what you are doing, and this could then allow 
> > for the meat to be consumed fairly risk free. I personally 
> > don't think horse meat is any more of a no no to eat than 
> > any other creature but I doubt I would eat any that I had 
> > owned. And since I only eat chicken and fish I am unlikely 
> > to eat any other horses either, at least knowingly.
> 
> Thank you for your reply. I really was mainly curious.
> 
> First reports on the UK scandal are that much of the
> supplies of yes, mislabeled or misrepresented meats
> came from Eastern European countries. But I suspect
> that many of the suppliers who knowingly or or 
> unknowingly allowed this to happen may never recover.
> Those who did it knowingly deserve the bankruptcy
> that they may face.

The government are assuring us it's safe but people are 
currently worried about veterinary drugs that aren't good 
for us humans entering the food chain. That and the high
Shergar content (groan again).

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I doubt you've even heard of it in the US unless you read
> the UK version of Huffington Post or some other British 
> rags, but one of the big scandals there right now is the
> discovery of...uh...unexpected meats in meat dishes and
> even in hamburger. 
> 
> It started with the discovery that a LOT of supermarket
> and institutional hamburger was part horsemeat. Then they
> discovered that many of the prepared meat products sold
> by widespread supermarket chains such as Aldi not only 
> contained horsemeat, but were 100% horsemeat. 

I had a Tesco burger last night - I've still got a bit between
my teeth (groan).

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Buck]

Yes, having not gotten back to Fairfield certainly should be one of the top 
five regrets-in-life: to have not made it back to Fairfield to help with the 
group meditation.  Pitiable.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > ah Buck, loving your undefeated enthusiasm, heading off to Dome now,
> have fun (-:
> >
> >
> Yes, -Buck
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: Buck
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the
> immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group
> meditation in Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in
> Fairfield will bring spiritual security to the world and defuse the
> precarious escalation of conflict in all the world.  It's very clear. 
> The Domes are a really nice and effective place to meditate.  Don't miss
> out.  Now is not the time to miss meditation or be out of the Domes.
> > -Buck in the Dome
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea
> > > > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what
> > > > we have here with these Golden Domes.
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> > >
> > > Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> > > what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> > > and just aren't fuckin' interested?
> > >
> > > For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> > > sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> > > a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> > > to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> > > butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> > > people get this same sense of community by painting their
> > > faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games.
> > >
> > > Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense
> > > of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really
> > > don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> > > to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> > > beneficial to the world or to the environment.
> > >
> > > If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could
> > > *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> > > domes?"
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here.
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do
> with this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation
> and a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the
> general good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For where
> two or three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified Field in
> their midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in people on earth.
> > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine
> mystical experience
> > > > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with
> the heavenly
> > > > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon
> Krishnamurti's story and
> > > > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience
> whereas
> > > > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so
> far, clearly
> > > > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has
> learned - he
> > > > > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the
> concepts he probably
> > > > > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > **
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long
> secret intimate
> > > > > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend
> (Raja) was too
> > > > > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a
> lot of here to
> > > > > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros
> Anartaxius" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does
> Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I doubt you've even heard of it in the US unless you read
> > the UK version of Huffington Post or some other British 
> > rags, but one of the big scandals there right now is the
> > discovery of...uh...unexpected meats in meat dishes and
> > even in hamburger. 
> > 
> > It started with the discovery that a LOT of supermarket
> > and institutional hamburger was part horsemeat. Then they
> > discovered that many of the prepared meat products sold
> > by widespread supermarket chains such as Aldi not only 
> > contained horsemeat, but were 100% horsemeat. 
> > 
> > While I know that this very subject may be...uh...dis-
> > tasteful for vegetarians, what I find myself wondering
> > in all this furor is *why* meat packers and sellers 
> > would do such a thing. Is horsemeat that much cheaper
> > than beef? Where would horsemeat come from? Who would
> > be profiting from selling it? And where did the horses
> > rendered into meat products come from -- it's not as
> > if people were raising horses *as* meat animals?
> > 
> > Is it?
> > 
> > What *happens* when one of the horses that you care for
> > and love kicks the...uh...feed bucket? Now that I think
> > of it, there *have* to be companies, vets, or whatever
> > you can turn to in such situations, right? 
> > 
> > I'm just curious about this whole thing...
> 
> Yes, I heard about it, maybe because I was just in England. 
> It is already a well-known fact that the French are big 
> eaters of horse meat but I guess the Brits are much more 
> sensitive as they are from a distinctly horsey loving 
> culture so this would be a big deal for them, especially 
> if it was mislabeled.
> 
> This might be a relevant article to check out:
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/vickeryeckhoff/2012/06/18/how-safe-is-that-horse-meat/
> 
> Horsemeat is worth so much on the hoof, just like any other 
> meat, be it cow, pig etc. There are horse auctions where 
> unwanted horses are brought to be inevitably bought by the 
> meat man and he will pay so much per pound. So, for example, 
> a typical horse might weigh 1000 lbs and the meat guy could 
> probably buy this animal for $500. 
> 
> Horses that reach a point where they have to be put down 
> because of old age, injury or sickness are usually done so 
> with a massive injection of drugs. This obviously would 
> render the meat inedible. Also, most horses have had lots 
> of vaccinations, medications etc. throughout their lifetime 
> and this would also not be the best meat to be eating. You 
> could always shoot the horse in the head, which I believe 
> is the most humane way to put a horse down as long as you 
> really know what you are doing, and this could then allow 
> for the meat to be consumed fairly risk free. I personally 
> don't think horse meat is any more of a no no to eat than 
> any other creature but I doubt I would eat any that I had 
> owned. And since I only eat chicken and fish I am unlikely 
> to eat any other horses either, at least knowingly.

Thank you for your reply. I really was mainly curious.

First reports on the UK scandal are that much of the
supplies of yes, mislabeled or misrepresented meats
came from Eastern European countries. But I suspect
that many of the suppliers who knowingly or or 
unknowingly allowed this to happen may never recover.
Those who did it knowingly deserve the bankruptcy
that they may face. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Buck I admit that when I left the Catholic Church behind I also
> left behind idealizing sacrifice, the idea that in order for one
> person or group to gain, another has to lose. I prefer win win
> scenarios. I hope your sacrifices have also been win wins.

I'm with you on the overratednessitude of "sacrifice," but I'm
mainly posting to share a photo I stumbled across seconds after
reading your post that captures for me some of the true nature
of Catholic "sacrifice." Add to this photo Pope Benedict's rela-
tionship with his...uh...close personal secretary (known in the
Vatican as Bel Giorgio  or Beautiful George), both during his
time as head of the Inquisition and now as Pope, and I have to
wonder how much sacrifice is really goin' down.

 
[https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534898_238920456\
245188_1996862438_n.png]

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> You lost me there - what has been proven?

That no matter how many thousands of people and no matter how many hundreds of 
years people practice TM and the siddhis we will not achieve world peace or 
coherence as a result. This is just me, being very unscientific, merely 
logical, in this assessment. So hence my advice to save your money, odds are 
against the ME.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 9:37 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > OK if you believe this, any idea how long you would have to have a group of 
> > 2000 in Fairfield to have this effect? How long you would have to have a 
> > group of 10,000 to actually create world peace?
> > 
> > Cuz if you can offer a time frame and I ever become a billionaire I will 
> > support both groups just to prove to you it won't happen thru yogic flying.
> 
> Dear MJ, I think you can save your money, it has already been proven! Now if 
> you want to know what you could do with an extra million or so, just let me 
> know.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 7:54 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the immediate 
> > urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group meditation in 
> > Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in Fairfield will bring 
> > spiritual security to the world and defuse the precarious escalation of 
> > conflict in all the world.  It's very clear.  The Domes are a really nice 
> > and effective place to meditate.  Don't miss out.  Now is not the time to 
> > miss meditation or be out of the Domes.
> > -Buck in the Dome 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea 
> > > > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what 
> > > > we have here with these Golden Domes. 
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> > > 
> > > Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> > > what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> > > and just aren't fuckin' interested? 
> > > 
> > > For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> > > sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> > > a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> > > to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> > > butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> > > people get this same sense of community by painting their
> > > faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games. 
> > > 
> > > Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense 
> > > of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really 
> > > don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> > > to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> > > beneficial to the world or to the environment. 
> > > 
> > > If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could 
> > > *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> > > domes?" 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with 
> > > > > > this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation 
> > > > > > and a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the 
> > > > > > general good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For 
> > > > > > where two or three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified 
> > > > > > Field in their midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in 
> > > > > > people on earth. 
> > > > > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical 
> > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the 
> > > > > > > heavenly
> > > > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's 
> > > > > > > story and
> > > > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience 
> > > > > > > whereas
> > > > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, 
> > > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - 
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > clearly wa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Psycopathy and Occupation (Share)

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks Xeno and Judy for all the good info.  Besides being a loose thinker, 
> Xeno, I think I've also become a little ADD as I've gotten older.  For 
> example, I LOVE Fr. Keating's interview but find I can only watch about 15 
> minutes at a time.  I notice I also get overwhelmed when there's a long 
> thread here on FFL.  Anyway, I'm plodding along as best I can, replying to 
> what's interesting and or enjoyable.  

You know, there is a cognitive decline as we age, and it does not seem 
spiritual techniques compensate for it on the level of sense experience. 
Looking for things right in front of us and not seeing them immediately seems 
to be one I experience. It seems that switching tasks is less efficient, 
perhaps due to memory shortcomings, that is, when we are distracted from one 
thing there seems to be a tendency to not switch back to the original task: we 
are more distractible than when younger. The brain when switching a task has to 
disconnect from he original task, switch to another area of the brain to 
activate the new task. This takes a bit of time, and the process is not as 
fluid as we get older. This is also why when people multi-task, they perform 
worse on every task, because the brain, except for autonomic functions and 
visual processing, does not seem to use much parallel processing, but has to 
sequentially switch, especially with intellectual functions.

I remember almost getting totaled in my car in FF Iowa some years ago when an 
old white-haired lady ran a stoplight, eyes straight, ahead and barely missed 
me. Now I experience that same kind of lack of attention to some extent, I have 
to focus a bit more to avoid getting locked in a passing distraction, avoid 
conversations and especially telephones when driving. Whoever that old woman 
was, I have no rancor for her because I am experiencing what that is like 
creeping up on me.

It is thinking of a verbal response when driving that seems to be the most 
interfering with driving. Listening to music does not seem to interfere much 
(music without words - no songs with understandable words). Plodding seems to 
be a good word to describe the feeling of living now.

Long threads on FFL are sometimes not worth investing the time to follow the 
argument, which often veers off on a tangent soon enough.

[FairfieldLife] 4 elements and TV, just for fun

[Share Long]

Have read several articles over the years about how TV shows often feature 4 
main characters and thus reflect the traditional four main elements or modes of 
individuality:  thinking feeling sensing and acting.  Just my opinion, I could 
be wrong, just for fun, yada yada.  And I'm finally off to see Playbook 
postponed due to challenging weather and road conditions.


orig Star Trek
air thinking Spock
fire acting Capt Kirk
water feeling Bones
earth sensing Scotty

Sex and the City
air Carrie
fire Amanda
water Charlotte
earth Samantha

Seinfeld, not so sure of these

air Jerry
fire Elaine
water Kramer
earth George

Numb3rs
air Fleinhart

fire Don
water Charlie
earth Allan, the Dad

and though not a TV show YET
Fairfield Life not so sure of these either

air Xeno Nablusoss navashok salyavin me 

fire turq Buck Judy Richard Doc

water Steve Ravi Michael 

earth Raunchy Ann card Mike Bhairitu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[Michael Jackson]

One article I read about the horsemeat showing up in Burger King burgers in the 
UK came from Poland





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 12:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I doubt you've even heard of it in the US unless you read
> the UK version of Huffington Post or some other British 
> rags, but one of the big scandals there right now is the
> discovery of...uh...unexpected meats in meat dishes and
> even in hamburger. 
> 
> It started with the discovery that a LOT of supermarket
> and institutional hamburger was part horsemeat. Then they
> discovered that many of the prepared meat products sold
> by widespread supermarket chains such as Aldi not only 
> contained horsemeat, but were 100% horsemeat. 
> 
> While I know that this very subject may be...uh...dis-
> tasteful for vegetarians, what I find myself wondering
> in all this furor is *why* meat packers and sellers 
> would do such a thing. Is horsemeat that much cheaper
> than beef? Where would horsemeat come from? Who would
> be profiting from selling it? And where did the horses
> rendered into meat products come from -- it's not as
> if people were raising horses *as* meat animals?
> 
> Is it?
> 
> What *happens* when one of the horses that you care for
> and love kicks the...uh...feed bucket? Now that I think
> of it, there *have* to be companies, vets, or whatever
> you can turn to in such situations, right? 
> 
> I'm just curious about this whole thing...

Yes, I heard about it, maybe because I was just in England. It is already a 
well-known fact that the French are big eaters of horse meat but I guess the 
Brits are much more sensitive as they are from a distinctly horsey loving 
culture so this would be a big deal for them, especially if it was mislabeled.

This might be a relevant article to check out:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/vickeryeckhoff/2012/06/18/how-safe-is-that-horse-meat/

Horsemeat is worth so much on the hoof, just like any other meat, be it cow, 
pig etc. There are horse auctions where unwanted horses are brought to be 
inevitably bought by the meat man and he will pay so much per pound. So, for 
example, a typical horse might weigh 1000 lbs and the meat guy could probably 
buy this animal for $500. 

Horses that reach a point where they have to be put down because of old age, 
injury or sickness are usually done so with a massive injection of drugs. This 
obviously would render the meat inedible. Also, most horses have had lots of 
vaccinations, medications etc. throughout their lifetime and this would also 
not be the best meat to be eating. You could always shoot the horse in the 
head, which I believe is the most humane way to put a horse down as long as you 
really know what you are doing, and this could then allow for the meat to be 
consumed fairly risk free. I personally don't think horse meat is any more of a 
no no to eat than any other creature but I doubt I would eat any that I had 
owned. And since I only eat chicken and fish I am unlikely to eat any other 
horses either, at least knowingly.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I doubt you've even heard of it in the US unless you read
> the UK version of Huffington Post or some other British 
> rags, but one of the big scandals there right now is the
> discovery of...uh...unexpected meats in meat dishes and
> even in hamburger. 
> 
> It started with the discovery that a LOT of supermarket
> and institutional hamburger was part horsemeat. Then they
> discovered that many of the prepared meat products sold
> by widespread supermarket chains such as Aldi not only 
> contained horsemeat, but were 100% horsemeat. 
> 
> While I know that this very subject may be...uh...dis-
> tasteful for vegetarians, what I find myself wondering
> in all this furor is *why* meat packers and sellers 
> would do such a thing. Is horsemeat that much cheaper
> than beef? Where would horsemeat come from? Who would
> be profiting from selling it? And where did the horses
> rendered into meat products come from -- it's not as
> if people were raising horses *as* meat animals?
> 
> Is it?
> 
> What *happens* when one of the horses that you care for
> and love kicks the...uh...feed bucket? Now that I think
> of it, there *have* to be companies, vets, or whatever
> you can turn to in such situations, right? 
> 
> I'm just curious about this whole thing...

Yes, I heard about it, maybe because I was just in England. It is already a 
well-known fact that the French are big eaters of horse meat but I guess the 
Brits are much more sensitive as they are from a distinctly horsey loving 
culture so this would be a big deal for them, especially if it was mislabeled.

This might be a relevant article to check out:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/vickeryeckhoff/2012/06/18/how-safe-is-that-horse-meat/

Horsemeat is worth so much on the hoof, just like any other meat, be it cow, 
pig etc. There are horse auctions where unwanted horses are brought to be 
inevitably bought by the meat man and he will pay so much per pound. So, for 
example, a typical horse might weigh 1000 lbs and the meat guy could probably 
buy this animal for $500. 

Horses that reach a point where they have to be put down because of old age, 
injury or sickness are usually done so with a massive injection of drugs. This 
obviously would render the meat inedible. Also, most horses have had lots of 
vaccinations, medications etc. throughout their lifetime and this would also 
not be the best meat to be eating. You could always shoot the horse in the 
head, which I believe is the most humane way to put a horse down as long as you 
really know what you are doing, and this could then allow for the meat to be 
consumed fairly risk free. I personally don't think horse meat is any more of a 
no no to eat than any other creature but I doubt I would eat any that I had 
owned. And since I only eat chicken and fish I am unlikely to eat any other 
horses either, at least knowingly.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Share Long]

Buck I admit that when I left the Catholic Church behind I also left behind 
idealizing sacrifice, the idea that in order for one person or group to gain, 
another has to lose.  I prefer win win scenarios.  I hope your sacrifices have 
also been win wins.

BTW, I think some people are going to India for Maharishi's Smarak ceremony.  
Let us hope that they all come back healthy (-:



 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 7:24 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
 

  
snip

Nor appreciate the sacrifices we've made to have it.


snip


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I doubt you've even heard of it in the US unless you read
> the UK version of Huffington Post or some other British 
> rags,

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/world/europe/lasagna-products-test-positive-for-horsemeat-in-britain.html

http://tinyurl.com/b4z9zfw

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/world/europe/horse-meat-in-food-stirs-furor-in-british-isles.html

http://tinyurl.com/aqmmaxh

 but one of the big scandals there right now is the
> discovery of...uh...unexpected meats in meat dishes and
> even in hamburger. 

Horsemeat is cheaper. It appears to have been coming
from Europe, but they haven't tracked it down yet.

More than you want to know about horse slaughter here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_slaughter



> 
> It started with the discovery that a LOT of supermarket
> and institutional hamburger was part horsemeat. Then they
> discovered that many of the prepared meat products sold
> by widespread supermarket chains such as Aldi not only 
> contained horsemeat, but were 100% horsemeat. 
> 
> While I know that this very subject may be...uh...dis-
> tasteful for vegetarians, what I find myself wondering
> in all this furor is *why* meat packers and sellers 
> would do such a thing. Is horsemeat that much cheaper
> than beef? Where would horsemeat come from? Who would
> be profiting from selling it? And where did the horses
> rendered into meat products come from -- it's not as
> if people were raising horses *as* meat animals?
> 
> Is it?
> 
> What *happens* when one of the horses that you care for
> and love kicks the...uh...feed bucket? Now that I think
> of it, there *have* to be companies, vets, or whatever
> you can turn to in such situations, right? 
> 
> I'm just curious about this whole thing...
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Michael Jackson]

You lost me there - what has been proven?





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> OK if you believe this, any idea how long you would have to have a group of 
> 2000 in Fairfield to have this effect? How long you would have to have a 
> group of 10,000 to actually create world peace?
> 
> Cuz if you can offer a time frame and I ever become a billionaire I will 
> support both groups just to prove to you it won't happen thru yogic flying.

Dear MJ, I think you can save your money, it has already been proven! Now if 
you want to know what you could do with an extra million or so, just let me 
know.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 7:54 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
> 
> 
>   
> Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the immediate 
> urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group meditation in 
> Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in Fairfield will bring 
> spiritual security to the world and defuse the precarious escalation of 
> conflict in all the world.  It's very clear.  The Domes are a really nice and 
> effective place to meditate.  Don't miss out.  Now is not the time to miss 
> meditation or be out of the Domes.
> -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea 
> > > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what 
> > > we have here with these Golden Domes. 
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> > 
> > Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> > what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> > and just aren't fuckin' interested? 
> > 
> > For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> > sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> > a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> > to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> > butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> > people get this same sense of community by painting their
> > faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games. 
> > 
> > Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense 
> > of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really 
> > don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> > to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> > beneficial to the world or to the environment. 
> > 
> > If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could 
> > *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> > domes?" 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with 
> > > > > this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation 
> > > > > and a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the 
> > > > > general good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For 
> > > > > where two or three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified 
> > > > > Field in their midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in people 
> > > > > on earth. 
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical 
> > > > > > experience
> > > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the 
> > > > > > heavenly
> > > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, 
> > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > > > > probably
> > > > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret 
> > > > > > > intimate
> > > > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) 
> > > > > > > was too
> > > > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of 
> > > > > > > here to
> > > > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/im

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Psycopathy and Occupation

[Share Long]

Thanks Xeno and Judy for all the good info.  Besides being a loose thinker, 
Xeno, I think I've also become a little ADD as I've gotten older.  For example, 
I LOVE Fr. Keating's interview but find I can only watch about 15 minutes at a 
time.  I notice I also get overwhelmed when there's a long thread here on FFL.  
Anyway, I'm plodding along as best I can, replying to what's interesting and or 
enjoyable.  





 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Psycopathy and Occupation
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> This is not a discussion of psychopathy and creativity; it's
> a discussion of "psychoticism" and creativity. Xeno misread
> the word in the title somehow.
> 
> According to the person who coined the term, "psychoticism"
> reflects an increased vulnerability to psychosis. Psychosis
> is itself a very general term referring to loss of contact
> with reality. As it happens, psychopaths are very rarely
> psychotic.
> 
> Here's a good basic discussion of psychopathy that debunks
> some of the myths that surround it in the popular
> understanding:
> 
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-psychopath-means
> 
> Also, as I pointed out to Xeno, DSM does not use psychopathy
> as a diagnostic label (nor, according to Wikipedia, does any
> psychological or psychiatric organization). However,
> according to the Scientific American article I just cited,
> DSM-IV "describes a condition termed antisocial personality
> disorder (ASPD), which is characterized by a longstanding
> history of criminal and often physically aggressive behavior,
> referring to it as synonymous with psychopathy. Yet research
> demonstrates that measures of psychopathy and ASPD overlap
> only moderately."

I posted the link for Share because she shows a tendency to connect things 
mentally in a very loose fashion, and had mused on the relationship of 
psychopathy to creativity. That discussion mentioned that '...unusual responses 
to word association test could be used as a measure of this hypothetical 
quality. His suggestion is that individuals with an over-inclusive style of 
thinking have a larger sample of ideas on which a conclusion can be based. 
These people he concludes are able to come up with innovative, unusual and 
creative ideas more easily than people who have a more conventional view of 
relevance to a problem'. Share seems to share this over-inclusive style of 
thinking as I do, but you do not. It obviously leads to greater errors, it is a 
synthetic style of thinking, rather than analytic. The following paper 
indicates that psychopathy and psychoticism are correlated, and therefore are 
not entirely distinct descriptive categories, but overlapping
 to some extent. I did notice the difference in spelling and meaning, but I 
just jumbled it all together as it was related. Now if I had sent the post 
directed at you, I probably would not have had the patience to discover all the 
exact word-for-word correlations necessary to get by you, and thus would have 
never have even attempted it.

Psychopathy and the personality dimensions of psychoticism, extraversion and 
neuroticism
Robert D. Hare
Department of Psychology, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada V6T 
1W5
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0191886982900721

Abstract

The Eysenck Personality Questionnaire (EPQ) was administered to 173 male prison 
inmates for whom reliable assessments of psychopathy were available. 
Psychopathy was significantly correlated with the Psychoticism (P) scale (r = 
0.16) and the Lie scale (r = 0.14), but not with the Extraversion (E) or 
Neuroticism (N) scales. Zone (octant) analysis indicated that psychopathy was 
not associated with any particular combination of P, E and N scores. Additional 
analyses, based on the discriminant function procedure described in the EPQ 
manual, indicated that inmates with high assessments of psychopathy were 
significantly less psychiatrically abnormal, in the EPQ sense, than were those 
with low assessments of psychopathy. A series of comparisons was also made 
between the P scale and a 22-item psychopathy checklist. The P scale was 
significantly correlated with six of the items, and with factors 1 (r = 0.30) 
and 4 (r = 0.19) that emerged from a principal
 components analysis of the checklist. Factor 1 is related to an impulsive, 
unstable lifestyle with no long-term commitments and factor 4 to the early 
appearance of antisocial behavior. It is argued that the P scale reflects the 
criminal, antisocial aspects of psychopathy and that the results probably have 
no direct implications for the suggestion that psychopathy and psychoticism are 
related in some fundamental way. A canonical analysis indicated that some 
interesting relations may exist between the EPQ variables and the psychopathy 
factors.
>

[FairfieldLife] A question for Buck and Ann and other horse people

[turquoiseb]

I doubt you've even heard of it in the US unless you read
the UK version of Huffington Post or some other British 
rags, but one of the big scandals there right now is the
discovery of...uh...unexpected meats in meat dishes and
even in hamburger. 

It started with the discovery that a LOT of supermarket
and institutional hamburger was part horsemeat. Then they
discovered that many of the prepared meat products sold
by widespread supermarket chains such as Aldi not only 
contained horsemeat, but were 100% horsemeat. 

While I know that this very subject may be...uh...dis-
tasteful for vegetarians, what I find myself wondering
in all this furor is *why* meat packers and sellers 
would do such a thing. Is horsemeat that much cheaper
than beef? Where would horsemeat come from? Who would
be profiting from selling it? And where did the horses
rendered into meat products come from -- it's not as
if people were raising horses *as* meat animals?

Is it?

What *happens* when one of the horses that you care for
and love kicks the...uh...feed bucket? Now that I think
of it, there *have* to be companies, vets, or whatever
you can turn to in such situations, right? 

I'm just curious about this whole thing...

[FairfieldLife] Purusha in the Himalayas

[nablusoss1008]

alkpurusha.net

[FairfieldLife] Re: TV review: "House Of Cards"

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I haven't seen the original 1990 BBC series that this is a remake of,
> but have heard good things about it. That said, it is difficult for me
> to imagine it being better than this Netflix production helmed by
David
> Fincher ("Fight Club," "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button," "The
> Social Network," and the remake of "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo"),
> James Foley ("Glengarry Glen Ross"), and others. It is taut,
fascinating
> from Moment One, and presents an incredible look at the dark
underbelly
> of politics.
>
> As has been mentioned by critics, much of the credit for this series'
> success can be laid at the feet of the actors. There are almost
certain
> Emmy and Golden Globe nominations in the future for Kevin Spacey,
Robin
> Wright, and Kate Mara, and a few of the supporting players like Corey
> Stoll and Sandrine Holt may get noticed as well.
>
> Spacey is a force majeure in this series. He plays the Majority Whip
of
> Congress, and in the opener gets shafted by the President in his bid
to
> become Secretary of State. Bahd idea. He vows vengeance, and the rest
of
> the series (so far...I'm on episode 7 of 13) is pretty much about how
he
> gets it. He's the kind of psychopath that no one can tell is a
> psychopath, and it's chilling to see how efficiently, soullessly and
> cold-bloodedly he does the things he does. He is incredibly
well-matched
> in this by his wife, played by Robin Wright, as a beautiful woman who
is
> almost as calculating as he is, who married him originally because he
> promised her a life that would never be boring, and who is with him
> pretty much every step of the way in his machinations. Kate Mara plays
a
> young, ambitious reporter whom Spacey's character lures into his web,
> and into his bed. To give you an idea of the dynamics between Spacey
and
> his wife Claire (Wright), she knows right from the beginning that he's
> having a fling with her, just as he knows about her occasional lovers,
> and both are fine with this, because it doesn't effect the
relationship
> they have with each other in any way.
>
> One of the most effective techniques in the series is found in the
> moments when Kevin Spacey turns and speaks directly to the camera --
to
> us, in the audience. It is used for remarkable effect at times, such
as
> the moment when Congressman Frank Underwood (Spacey) is addressing a
> congregation in a church, from the pulpit, hoping to sway them not to
> make a big political mess out of one of his fuckups. He starts talking
> about his father, and how close he was to him, and how angry he was at
> God for taking him. Then, in the middle of this speech, he turns to us
> in the audience and tells us the real story, which is that he hardly
> knew the guy, and didn't miss him at all when he died. Then the
"aside"
> ends and he turns back to the congregation and continues his emotional
> propaganda sermon...which works, of course. The "aside" didn't really
> happen for them, but it *does* for us, and lets us into the workings
of
> his intelligent and charming -- but psychopathically charming -- mind.
>
> It's a very good series. Kudos to Netflix for taking a chance and
> producing it, and for releasing it all at once, so that binge TV
addicts
> like myself can watch it straight through, without having to wait a
week
> between episodes.

Well, I finished watching this series today, and I have to say that it
left me as enthused as I was when I wrote the above, except for one
thing -- it's over. I want seasons 2 and 3 (which have supposedly been
greenlighted), and I want them NOW.

Frank Underwood as played by Kevin Spacey is one of the great
psychopathic villains in movie/TV history, right up there with Hannibal
Lechter. If Hanny had been in politics, that is. Frank devours his
victims no less than Hannibal did, and with as much cold-bloodedness and
planning. Several times during the series we see Frank sitting at his
chessboard, playing with...uh...himself. And probably with reason,
because no one else would be a match for his ability to plan dozens of
moves in advance.

Frank *plans* almost everything we see in season 1 of "House Of Cards,"
and his plans work out pretty much *as* planned. Except when they don't,
and that may be part of the plan.

And part of the plan -- at least on the part of Netflix in releasing
this series all at once so that those of us given to marathon viewing
can blast through it quickly -- may have been to leave viewers as
ravenously hungry at the end of it as I am. I am now looking forward to
the next two seasons as eagerly as I am waiting for the last season of
"Breaking Bad," and that's saying something.

I just cannot wait to see Frank and Claire do battle with the women each
of them thought of as their property, and their "creations." Zoe and
Gillian just became more and more interesting as the series went on, and
I expect them continue to do so in the future.

Good series. I d

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> > > 
> > > Aw sweetie, no I'm not. I am not "locked", merely capable 
> > > of seeing how certain things work and willing to express 
> > > what I see. If you want to make calls on who is 
> > > "confrontational" then be willing to be objective and 
> > > look at some of your 'friends' here. Are you one of 
> > > those people who, if they had a murderer in the family, 
> > > would defend them to the end, be incapable if admitting 
> > > they are what they are?
> > 
> > Ah, I see you are still locked in black and white thinking.
> 
> You can take the girl out of the cult,
> but you can't take the cult out of the girl. :-)

And if you add an 'n' where the 'l' is that is also true. 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > >
> > > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> > 
> > Aw sweetie, no I'm not. I am not "locked", merely capable 
> > of seeing how certain things work and willing to express 
> > what I see. If you want to make calls on who is 
> > "confrontational" then be willing to be objective and 
> > look at some of your 'friends' here. Are you one of 
> > those people who, if they had a murderer in the family, 
> > would defend them to the end, be incapable if admitting 
> > they are what they are?
> 
> Ah, I see you are still locked in black and white thinking.

You can take the girl out of the cult,
but you can't take the cult out of the girl. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> OK if you believe this, any idea how long you would have to have a group of 
> 2000 in Fairfield to have this effect? How long you would have to have a 
> group of 10,000 to actually create world peace?
> 
> Cuz if you can offer a time frame and I ever become a billionaire I will 
> support both groups just to prove to you it won't happen thru yogic flying.

Dear MJ, I think you can save your money, it has already been proven! Now if 
you want to know what you could do with an extra million or so, just let me 
know.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 7:54 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
>  
> 
>   
> Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the immediate 
> urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group meditation in 
> Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in Fairfield will bring 
> spiritual security to the world and defuse the precarious escalation of 
> conflict in all the world.  It's very clear.  The Domes are a really nice and 
> effective place to meditate.  Don't miss out.  Now is not the time to miss 
> meditation or be out of the Domes.
> -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea 
> > > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what 
> > > we have here with these Golden Domes. 
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> > 
> > Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> > what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> > and just aren't fuckin' interested? 
> > 
> > For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> > sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> > a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> > to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> > butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> > people get this same sense of community by painting their
> > faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games. 
> > 
> > Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense 
> > of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really 
> > don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> > to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> > beneficial to the world or to the environment. 
> > 
> > If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could 
> > *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> > domes?" 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with 
> > > > > this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation 
> > > > > and a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the 
> > > > > general good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For 
> > > > > where two or three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified 
> > > > > Field in their midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in people 
> > > > > on earth. 
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical 
> > > > > > experience
> > > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the 
> > > > > > heavenly
> > > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, 
> > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > > > > probably
> > > > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret 
> > > > > > > intimate
> > > > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) 
> > > > > > > was too
> > > > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of 
> > > > > > > here to
> > > > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > more I think about it ...
> > 
> > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > actually "get" things.  :-)
> 
> No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or
> challenge you.

But it seems Barry isn't willing to back up his claim
that Barry got his jokes about the "perennial gland"
and Hinglish. Pretty ungrateful, I'd say, after
navashok knocked himself out trying to defend him. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Wisdom of Betty

[Ann]

For Barry, because he knows how much I love him...And because I know
what a great sense of humour he has.



  [fbPhotosSnowliftCaption]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Michael Jackson]

OK if you believe this, any idea how long you would have to have a group of 
2000 in Fairfield to have this effect? How long you would have to have a group 
of 10,000 to actually create world peace?

Cuz if you can offer a time frame and I ever become a billionaire I will 
support both groups just to prove to you it won't happen thru yogic flying.





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 7:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
 

  
Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the immediate 
urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group meditation in 
Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in Fairfield will bring 
spiritual security to the world and defuse the precarious escalation of 
conflict in all the world.  It's very clear.  The Domes are a really nice and 
effective place to meditate.  Don't miss out.  Now is not the time to miss 
meditation or be out of the Domes.
-Buck in the Dome 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea 
> > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what 
> > we have here with these Golden Domes. 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> 
> Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> and just aren't fuckin' interested? 
> 
> For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> people get this same sense of community by painting their
> faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games. 
> 
> Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense 
> of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really 
> don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> beneficial to the world or to the environment. 
> 
> If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could 
> *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> domes?" 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with 
> > > > this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation and 
> > > > a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the general 
> > > > good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For where two or 
> > > > three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified Field in their 
> > > > midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in people on earth. 
> > > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical 
> > > > > experience
> > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the 
> > > > > heavenly
> > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story 
> > > > > and
> > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, 
> > > > > clearly
> > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > > > probably
> > > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret 
> > > > > > intimate
> > > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) 
> > > > > > was too
> > > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of 
> > > > > > here to
> > > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity. 
> > > > > > > Specifically he
> > > > > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into it, but 
> > > > > > never
> > > > > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > > more I think about it ...
> > > > 
> > > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > > 
> > > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you.
> > 
> > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> 
> Aw sweetie, no I'm not. I am not "locked", merely capable of seeing how 
> certain things work and willing to express what I see. If you want to make 
> calls on who is "confrontational" then be willing to be objective and look at 
> some of your 'friends' here. Are you one of those people who, if they had a 
> murderer in the family, would defend them to the end, be incapable if 
> admitting they are what they are?

Ah, I see you are still locked in black and white thinking.

> > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Well, when you're forced to think through or express why 
> > > > > you like something, you're immediately biased toward 
> > > > > opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. 
> > > > > In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that 
> > > > > No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your 
> > > > > senses were taking in a thousand different factors you 
> > > > > weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured 
> > > > > to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, 
> > > > > you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly 
> > > > > you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how 
> > > > > No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those 
> > > > > things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just 
> > > > > trying to make it sound like you made your decision 
> > > > > based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in 
> > > > > reality your tongue had it right all along."
> > > > 
> > > > When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that 
> > > > this tendency to believe in what we can explain or
> > > > verbalize can be "pre-loaded," as a form of mind 
> > > > control. For example, if someone were told, "We can 
> > > > teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand 
> > > > dollars," most people would roll their eyes and know 
> > > > instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. 
> > > > 
> > > > But if you "pre-loaded" that claim with a bunch of
> > > > bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, 
> > > > giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why
> > > > they could fly, or a supposed "holy man," giving them
> > > > equally BS "Vedic" reasons for how or why they could
> > > > fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the 
> > > > TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious 
> > > > insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, 
> > > > the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* 
> > > > an insane idea. 
> > > > 
> > > > BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article
> > > > but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how
> > > > we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer.
> > > > Clinical trials indicated that when people were 
> > > > placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember
> > > > favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite
> > > > positive memories from the past, they felt warmer,
> > > > and thus more comfortable. 
> > > > 
> > > > I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms
> > > > of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have 
> > > > their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons
> > > > pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest.
> > > > They start talking about the Beatles, or some 
> > > > course they went on 20 years ago, or even the
> > > > "Vedic era" that never existed but which they've
> > > > been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all
> > > > of this is an unconscious attempt to "warm" them-
> > > > selves by taking the chill off of their cognitive
> > > > dissonance.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > Eh, why don't you all just go to the domes and meditate there! Share is 
> > going, Buck is going, what are you still doing here?
> 
> I'm playing with you and Barry, that's what. It is wy more fun than 
> meditating. That was always my problem, I just hated spending time with my 
> eyes closed doing nothing, there was just so much other life to be lived.

Okay, I understand. So have fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nXEXWlQ5Q

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry 
> > > into a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you 
> > > are a (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also 
> > > practiced TM. 
> > > 
> > > I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* 
> > > towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - 
> > > first teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a 
> > > dangerous power over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things 
> > > really get out of hand.
> > > 
> > > Your Friend, Doc 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > > > > > > more I think about it ...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > > > > > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > > > > > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with 
> > > > > > > or challenge you.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well "seen." Once one has become conditioned to 
> > > > > confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one
> > > > > has a tendency to long for and provoke the same
> > > > > types of confrontations once one has left the cult.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I see that I'm not the only person here who has
> > > > > noticed that Ann's "gotta lure people into a one-
> > > > > on-one confrontation with me" act is merely a 
> > > > > subset of Robin's.
> > > > 
> > > > Barry, you are a card.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> Eh, why don't you all just go to the domes and meditate there! Share is 
> going, Buck is going, what are you still doing here?

I'm playing with you and Barry, that's what. It is wy more fun than 
meditating. That was always my problem, I just hated spending time with my eyes 
closed doing nothing, there was just so much other life to be lived.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry 
> > into a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you 
> > are a (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced 
> > TM. 
> > 
> > I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* 
> > towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first 
> > teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power 
> > over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of 
> > hand.
> > 
> > Your Friend, Doc 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > > > > > more I think about it ...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > > > > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > > > > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with 
> > > > > > or challenge you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> > > > 
> > > > Well "seen." Once one has become conditioned to 
> > > > confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one
> > > > has a tendency to long for and provoke the same
> > > > types of confrontations once one has left the cult.
> > > > 
> > > > I see that I'm not the only person here who has
> > > > noticed that Ann's "gotta lure people into a one-
> > > > on-one confrontation with me" act is merely a 
> > > > subset of Robin's.
> > > 
> > > Barry, you are a card.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry into 
> a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you are a 
> (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced TM. 
> 
> I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* 
> towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first 
> teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power 
> over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of 
> hand.
> 
> Your Friend, Doc 

Thanks friend and wise and learned man. I just don't know what comes over me, 
it must be the former conditioning that just takes me over, like some 
enveloping fog of negativity. Then I just find myself striking out at the 
innocents here like poor Barry. My ability to lure the Barry's of the world - 
the powerless, impotent, mentally or spiritually challenged ones - is the goal 
of my very existence. I just revel in the sadistic pleasure of it - watching 
the helpless Barrys struggle, all to no avail. Am I doomed to this life of 
perverse pleasure? Can you help me Doc? 

>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > > > > more I think about it ...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > > > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > > > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with 
> > > > > or challenge you.
> > > > 
> > > > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> > > 
> > > Well "seen." Once one has become conditioned to 
> > > confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one
> > > has a tendency to long for and provoke the same
> > > types of confrontations once one has left the cult.
> > > 
> > > I see that I'm not the only person here who has
> > > noticed that Ann's "gotta lure people into a one-
> > > on-one confrontation with me" act is merely a 
> > > subset of Robin's.
> > 
> > Barry, you are a card.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[navashok]

Eh, why don't you all just go to the domes and meditate there! Share is going, 
Buck is going, what are you still doing here?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry into 
> a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you are a 
> (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced TM. 
> 
> I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* 
> towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first 
> teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power 
> over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of 
> hand.
> 
> Your Friend, Doc 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > > > > more I think about it ...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > > > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > > > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with 
> > > > > or challenge you.
> > > > 
> > > > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> > > 
> > > Well "seen." Once one has become conditioned to 
> > > confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one
> > > has a tendency to long for and provoke the same
> > > types of confrontations once one has left the cult.
> > > 
> > > I see that I'm not the only person here who has
> > > noticed that Ann's "gotta lure people into a one-
> > > on-one confrontation with me" act is merely a 
> > > subset of Robin's.
> > 
> > Barry, you are a card.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[doctordumbass]

Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry into a 
confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you are a 
(tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced TM. 

I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* 
towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first 
teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power 
over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of 
hand.

Your Friend, Doc 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > > > more I think about it ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with 
> > > > or challenge you.
> > > 
> > > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> > 
> > Well "seen." Once one has become conditioned to 
> > confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one
> > has a tendency to long for and provoke the same
> > types of confrontations once one has left the cult.
> > 
> > I see that I'm not the only person here who has
> > noticed that Ann's "gotta lure people into a one-
> > on-one confrontation with me" act is merely a 
> > subset of Robin's.
> 
> Barry, you are a card.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[doctordumbass]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > > more I think about it ...
> > > > 
> > > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > > 
> > > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with 
> > > or challenge you.
> > 
> > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> 
> Well "seen." Once one has become conditioned to 
> confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one
> has a tendency to long for and provoke the same
> types of confrontations once one has left the cult.
> 
> I see that I'm not the only person here who has
> noticed that Ann's "gotta lure people into a one-
> on-one confrontation with me" act is merely a 
> subset of Robin's.
>
You sound so WEAK and confused when you come up with this stuff. First, you 
have made an endless case, over the years, for those in the "TM cult" to be 
guru-whipped (as you were), spineless and afraid to rock the boat.

The next words out of your butt (yes, true to form) are that these TM cultists 
are addicted to confrontation. w-t-f??

Also this phrase about Ann "gotta lure people...", as if she is a witch or 
something. Don't you ever just deal with people, as people, instead of all the 
stories in your head, trying to ineffectually push them, or your attachment to 
them, away?

You need some time to figure out who you are - where is Barry. beneath all of 
the reaction and confusion? Is he still there??

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > > more I think about it ...
> > > > 
> > > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > > 
> > > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with 
> > > or challenge you.
> > 
> > I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.
> 
> Well "seen." Once one has become conditioned to 
> confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one
> has a tendency to long for and provoke the same
> types of confrontations once one has left the cult.
> 
> I see that I'm not the only person here who has
> noticed that Ann's "gotta lure people into a one-
> on-one confrontation with me" act is merely a 
> subset of Robin's.

Barry, you are a card.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > more I think about it ...
> > > 
> > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > 
> > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you.
> 
> I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.

Aw sweetie, no I'm not. I am not "locked", merely capable of seeing how certain 
things work and willing to express what I see. If you want to make calls on who 
is "confrontational" then be willing to be objective and look at some of your 
'friends' here. Are you one of those people who, if they had a murderer in the 
family, would defend them to the end, be incapable if admitting they are what 
they are?
> 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html
> > > > 
> > > > "Well, when you're forced to think through or express why 
> > > > you like something, you're immediately biased toward 
> > > > opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. 
> > > > In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that 
> > > > No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your 
> > > > senses were taking in a thousand different factors you 
> > > > weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured 
> > > > to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, 
> > > > you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly 
> > > > you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how 
> > > > No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those 
> > > > things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just 
> > > > trying to make it sound like you made your decision 
> > > > based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in 
> > > > reality your tongue had it right all along."
> > > 
> > > When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that 
> > > this tendency to believe in what we can explain or
> > > verbalize can be "pre-loaded," as a form of mind 
> > > control. For example, if someone were told, "We can 
> > > teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand 
> > > dollars," most people would roll their eyes and know 
> > > instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. 
> > > 
> > > But if you "pre-loaded" that claim with a bunch of
> > > bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, 
> > > giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why
> > > they could fly, or a supposed "holy man," giving them
> > > equally BS "Vedic" reasons for how or why they could
> > > fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the 
> > > TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious 
> > > insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, 
> > > the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* 
> > > an insane idea. 
> > > 
> > > BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article
> > > but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how
> > > we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer.
> > > Clinical trials indicated that when people were 
> > > placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember
> > > favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite
> > > positive memories from the past, they felt warmer,
> > > and thus more comfortable. 
> > > 
> > > I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms
> > > of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have 
> > > their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons
> > > pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest.
> > > They start talking about the Beatles, or some 
> > > course they went on 20 years ago, or even the
> > > "Vedic era" that never existed but which they've
> > > been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all
> > > of this is an unconscious attempt to "warm" them-
> > > selves by taking the chill off of their cognitive
> > > dissonance.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> ah Buck, loving your undefeated enthusiasm, heading off to Dome now,
have fun (-:
>
>
Yes, -Buck


>
>
> 
>  From: Buck
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
>
>
> Â
> Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the
immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group
meditation in Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in
Fairfield will bring spiritual security to the world and defuse the
precarious escalation of conflict in all the world.  It's very clear. 
The Domes are a really nice and effective place to meditate.  Don't miss
out.  Now is not the time to miss meditation or be out of the Domes.
> -Buck in the Dome
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea
> > > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what
> > > we have here with these Golden Domes.
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> >
> > Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> > what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> > and just aren't fuckin' interested?
> >
> > For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> > sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> > a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> > to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> > butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> > people get this same sense of community by painting their
> > faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games.
> >
> > Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense
> > of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really
> > don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> > to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> > beneficial to the world or to the environment.
> >
> > If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could
> > *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> > domes?"
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here.
> > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do
with this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation
and a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the
general good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For where
two or three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified Field in
their midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in people on earth.
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine
mystical experience
> > > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with
the heavenly
> > > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon
Krishnamurti's story and
> > > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience
whereas
> > > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so
far, clearly
> > > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has
learned - he
> > > > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the
concepts he probably
> > > > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long
secret intimate
> > > > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend
(Raja) was too
> > > > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a
lot of here to
> > > > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros
Anartaxius" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does
Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity.
Specifically he
> > > > > > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into
it, but never
> > > > > > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had such
difficulty getting
> > > > > > > people to understand what he was talking about. That's
because with
> > > > > > > enlightenment, you do not get people from here to there,
that is not how it
> > > > > > > works, but unfortunately

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > > more I think about it ...
> > > 
> > > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > > actually "get" things.  :-)
> > 
> > No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with 
> > or challenge you.
> 
> I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.

Well "seen." Once one has become conditioned to 
confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one
has a tendency to long for and provoke the same
types of confrontations once one has left the cult.

I see that I'm not the only person here who has
noticed that Ann's "gotta lure people into a one-
on-one confrontation with me" act is merely a 
subset of Robin's. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok quoted:
> > >
> > > "Well, when you're forced to think through or express why 
> > > you like something, you're immediately biased toward 
> > > opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. 
> > > In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that 
> > > No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your 
> > > senses were taking in a thousand different factors you 
> > > weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured 
> > > to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, 
> > > you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly 
> > > you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how 
> > > No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those 
> > > things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just 
> > > trying to make it sound like you made your decision 
> > > based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in 
> > > reality your tongue had it right all along."
> > 
> > When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that 
> > this tendency to believe in what we can explain or
> > verbalize can be "pre-loaded," as a form of mind 
> > control. For example, if someone were told, "We can 
> > teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand 
> > dollars," most people would roll their eyes and know 
> > instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. 
> > 
> > But if you "pre-loaded" that claim with a bunch of
> > bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, 
> > giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why
> > they could fly, or a supposed "holy man," giving them
> > equally BS "Vedic" reasons for how or why they could
> > fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the 
> > TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious 
> > insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, 
> > the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* 
> > an insane idea. 
> 
> Just for fun, and to continue riffing on this idea
> of the "pre-loading" of beliefs, let's deal with
> something less outlandish than "We can teach you to
> FLY" -- the basic TM technique. People here go on
> and on about the "innocent experience" of TM, and
> how it's a "simple, mechanical technique that 
> requires no belief" *ignoring* the fact that *both* 
> of these phrases were TAUGHT to them, and BEFORE 
> they ever learned TM itself. 
> 
> Remember how TM is taught, and how it is *mandated*
> TO be taught? You *don't* learn the technique 
> "innocently." In reality, you learn it only after
> having to sit through two at-least one-hour-long
> lectures that *explain and verbalize* what you'll
> be learning. During those lectures you are TOLD 
> what you'll experience, and TOLD what that exper-
> ience "means." Then you learn the technique, and 
> voila, you tend to experience those things. 
> 
> Can you say "placebo effect?" Can you say "pre-
> loading of beliefs and expectations?" I think you
> can. 
> 
> If you disagree, please explain to me how TM could
> possibly be considered an "innocent experience," or
> a "simple, mechanical technique that requires no 
> belief" when you CANNOT learn it without having been
> exposed to two lectures that tell you *exactly* what
> it is, what you'll be experiencing, what "science"
> says about it, and what it all "means." 
> 
> To actually *BE* an "innocent experience," TM would
> have to be taught with *NO* "pre-loading" in terms of
> explanations and verbalizations. No first and second
> Intro lectures, just the TM technique itself, with
> no "prep." 
> 
> The fact that it has never been taught that way, and
> never *will* be taught that way, seems to me to rule
> *out* "innocent experience" and open up the possibility
> that what many people experience as the result of
> learning is nothing more than what they have been 
> TOLD to expect, and thus at least partly due to the
> placebo effect. 
> 
> If you disagree, try to present your arguments for
> believing otherwise. We'll wait...

Who are you trying to convince here and why?
What do you think you have written here that you have not written at least 
twenty times before? 
What is "fun" about continuing to "riff" on this?
What have YOU learned by taking the time to write this post?
What would be the ideal response, in your world, to this post of yours?
When do you think you might be able to realize that you aren't going to change 
anyone's mind by what you write on this subject?
How cool, unattached, objective, in-the-know do you feel when you write posts 
like this? 
What have you accomplished here?

Papers are due by the end of the day, no exceptions. Class dismissed.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the immediate 
> urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group meditation in 
> Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in Fairfield will bring 
> spiritual security to the world and defuse the precarious escalation of 
> conflict in all the world.  It's very clear.  The Domes are a really nice and 
> effective place to meditate.  Don't miss out.  Now is not the time to miss 
> meditation or be out of the Domes.
> -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea 
> > > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what 
> > > we have here with these Golden Domes.  
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> > 
> > Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> > what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> > and just aren't fuckin' interested? 
> > 
> > For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> > sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> > a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> > to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> > butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> > people get this same sense of community by painting their
> > faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games. 
> > 
> > Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense 
> > of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really 
> > don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> > to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> > beneficial to the world or to the environment. 
> > 
> > If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could 
> > *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> > domes?" 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > >

Nor appreciate the sacrifices we've made to have it.

 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with 
> > > > > this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation 
> > > > > and a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the 
> > > > > general good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For 
> > > > > where two or three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified 
> > > > > Field in their midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in people 
> > > > > on earth.  
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical 
> > > > > > experience
> > > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the 
> > > > > > heavenly
> > > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, 
> > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > > > > probably
> > > > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret 
> > > > > > > intimate
> > > > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) 
> > > > > > > was too
> > > > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of 
> > > > > > > here to
> > > > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does Krishnamurti 
> > > > > > > > > know?
> > > > > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity. 
> > > > > > > > Specifically he
> > > > > > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into it, but 
> > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had such 
> > > > > > > difficulty getting
> > > > > > > people to understand what he was talking about. That's because 
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > enlightenment, you do not get people fro

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Share Long]

ah Buck, loving your undefeated enthusiasm, heading off to Dome now, have fun 
(-:





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...
 

  
Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the immediate 
urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group meditation in 
Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in Fairfield will bring 
spiritual security to the world and defuse the precarious escalation of 
conflict in all the world.  It's very clear.  The Domes are a really nice and 
effective place to meditate.  Don't miss out.  Now is not the time to miss 
meditation or be out of the Domes.
-Buck in the Dome 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea 
> > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what 
> > we have here with these Golden Domes. 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> 
> Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> and just aren't fuckin' interested? 
> 
> For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> people get this same sense of community by painting their
> faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games. 
> 
> Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense 
> of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really 
> don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> beneficial to the world or to the environment. 
> 
> If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could 
> *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> domes?" 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with 
> > > > this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation and 
> > > > a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the general 
> > > > good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For where two or 
> > > > three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified Field in their 
> > > > midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in people on earth. 
> > > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical 
> > > > > experience
> > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the 
> > > > > heavenly
> > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story 
> > > > > and
> > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, 
> > > > > clearly
> > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > > > probably
> > > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret 
> > > > > > intimate
> > > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) 
> > > > > > was too
> > > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of 
> > > > > > here to
> > > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity. 
> > > > > > > Specifically he
> > > > > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into it, but 
> > > > > > never
> > > > > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had such difficulty 
> > > > > > getting
> > > > > > people to understand what he was talking about. That's because with
> > > > > > enlightenment, you do not get people from here to there, that is 
> > > > > > not how it
> > > > > > works, but unfortunately everyone int

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > > more I think about it ...
> > 
> > See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> > with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> > actually "get" things.  :-)
> 
> No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you.

I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode.

> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html
> > > 
> > > "Well, when you're forced to think through or express why 
> > > you like something, you're immediately biased toward 
> > > opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. 
> > > In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that 
> > > No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your 
> > > senses were taking in a thousand different factors you 
> > > weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured 
> > > to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, 
> > > you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly 
> > > you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how 
> > > No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those 
> > > things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just 
> > > trying to make it sound like you made your decision 
> > > based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in 
> > > reality your tongue had it right all along."
> > 
> > When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that 
> > this tendency to believe in what we can explain or
> > verbalize can be "pre-loaded," as a form of mind 
> > control. For example, if someone were told, "We can 
> > teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand 
> > dollars," most people would roll their eyes and know 
> > instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. 
> > 
> > But if you "pre-loaded" that claim with a bunch of
> > bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, 
> > giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why
> > they could fly, or a supposed "holy man," giving them
> > equally BS "Vedic" reasons for how or why they could
> > fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the 
> > TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious 
> > insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, 
> > the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* 
> > an insane idea. 
> > 
> > BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article
> > but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how
> > we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer.
> > Clinical trials indicated that when people were 
> > placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember
> > favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite
> > positive memories from the past, they felt warmer,
> > and thus more comfortable. 
> > 
> > I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms
> > of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have 
> > their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons
> > pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest.
> > They start talking about the Beatles, or some 
> > course they went on 20 years ago, or even the
> > "Vedic era" that never existed but which they've
> > been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all
> > of this is an unconscious attempt to "warm" them-
> > selves by taking the chill off of their cognitive
> > dissonance.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > more I think about it ...
> 
> See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> actually "get" things.  :-)

No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html
> > 
> > "Well, when you're forced to think through or express why 
> > you like something, you're immediately biased toward 
> > opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. 
> > In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that 
> > No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your 
> > senses were taking in a thousand different factors you 
> > weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured 
> > to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, 
> > you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly 
> > you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how 
> > No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those 
> > things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just 
> > trying to make it sound like you made your decision 
> > based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in 
> > reality your tongue had it right all along."
> 
> When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that 
> this tendency to believe in what we can explain or
> verbalize can be "pre-loaded," as a form of mind 
> control. For example, if someone were told, "We can 
> teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand 
> dollars," most people would roll their eyes and know 
> instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. 
> 
> But if you "pre-loaded" that claim with a bunch of
> bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, 
> giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why
> they could fly, or a supposed "holy man," giving them
> equally BS "Vedic" reasons for how or why they could
> fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the 
> TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious 
> insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, 
> the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* 
> an insane idea. 
> 
> BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article
> but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how
> we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer.
> Clinical trials indicated that when people were 
> placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember
> favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite
> positive memories from the past, they felt warmer,
> and thus more comfortable. 
> 
> I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms
> of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have 
> their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons
> pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest.
> They start talking about the Beatles, or some 
> course they went on 20 years ago, or even the
> "Vedic era" that never existed but which they've
> been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all
> of this is an unconscious attempt to "warm" them-
> selves by taking the chill off of their cognitive
> dissonance.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Buck]

Yes certainly, our experience and the science shows us that the immediate 
urgent priority for world peace is to join the large group meditation in 
Fairfield. For only 2000 meditating in large group in Fairfield will bring 
spiritual security to the world and defuse the precarious escalation of 
conflict in all the world.  It's very clear.  The Domes are a really nice and 
effective place to meditate.  Don't miss out.  Now is not the time to miss 
meditation or be out of the Domes.
-Buck in the Dome 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea 
> > what is going on here and just do not appreciate what 
> > we have here with these Golden Domes.  
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
> 
> Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
> what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
> and just aren't fuckin' interested? 
> 
> For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
> sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
> a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
> to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
> butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
> people get this same sense of community by painting their
> faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games. 
> 
> Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense 
> of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really 
> don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
> to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
> beneficial to the world or to the environment. 
> 
> If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could 
> *possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
> domes?" 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with 
> > > > this.  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation and 
> > > > a facility must be kept which takes some organization for the general 
> > > > good of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For where two or 
> > > > three are gathered in meditation there is the Unified Field in their 
> > > > midst.  One hopes for the best and the best in people on earth.  
> > > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical 
> > > > > experience
> > > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the 
> > > > > heavenly
> > > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story 
> > > > > and
> > > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, 
> > > > > clearly
> > > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > > > probably
> > > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret 
> > > > > > intimate
> > > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) 
> > > > > > was too
> > > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of 
> > > > > > here to
> > > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity. 
> > > > > > > Specifically he
> > > > > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into it, but 
> > > > > > never
> > > > > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had such difficulty 
> > > > > > getting
> > > > > > people to understand what he was talking about. That's because with
> > > > > > enlightenment, you do not get people from here to there, that is 
> > > > > > not how it
> > > > > > works, but unfortunately everyone interprets the journey of 
> > > > > > enlightenment
> > > > > > from 'here to there' rather than from 'here to here'; in fact it is 
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > even that, it is just 'here'. Maharishi understood this, as did 
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > teachers, th

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[obbajeeba]

The Buck stops here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
Feel good all over does not matter on the individual. We can feel the dysentery 
and sickness in the domes of incubation of pathogens when the stars of the 
almighty align with the who's who TMZ (no doz version) with their communicable 
experience from Kumbha Mela celebrations, right there on the sheet covered foam 
collective consciousness for world enlightenment. 
Join Buck now, there is a calm before the storm of weathered bodies return, 
join now, leap to the faith of neem oil and Amoxicillin and forever hold your 
peace. How do you spell, relief?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Once you get to the top of the mountain, there is nothing there. So
> you come down to the valley and have lunch. I saw Krishnamurti once, and
> cannot remember a thing he said, but at that time, I did not have as
> much capacity to grasp what he was saying as I do now. I know a lot less
> now than I did then, so perhaps now, more of what he said can get
> through.
> > >
> >
> > I 'met' Krishnamurti in 1986, not in the body anymore, but through his
> books, 'Series on living' on my first trip to India in Noida in the TM
> library. I was immediately struck and started to write down quotes into
> my diary. It resonated strongly with me at the time. Later, when I had
> left the movement, I met quite a few persons who were strongly
> influenced by him, knew him personally, or went to all his talks, and I
> started reading other books, the biographies, and especially touching,
> his last diaries. I know one old lady in Madras, who was close to him
> when he still was in Theosophy, that is around 1929, she was connected
> to the circle of people around JK at this time in Theosophy, as
> described in Mary Lutyens biography. Above that,
> >
> 
> Not another spiritual person here who has left the movement?  If things
> go well with your karma and it all, you may still be able to join with
> the large group meditation here. You can apply to meditate with the
> large group on-line.   We could certainly use some more with us. 
> Yesterday morning there were only 315 men in meditation here.  A bunch
> of people have fallen out of line and gone to hob-nobbing with
> celebrities in India at that Kumbla Mele there.  You just know they are
> going to come back sick and disabled casualties of India.  We could
> certainly use a few more good meditators right here to hold the line.
> 
> > I spend time in India in the city where he was born, where there is
> still a large theosophic school, and Rishi Valley school, one of the
> best schools in India founded by him, closeby. Certain lanes in the old
> city are named after theosophic characters, from Blavatskies books, and
> there is an Annie Besant circle I pass by frequently.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>

> > > If you are honest, you'll have to acknowledge that you
> > > have been doing precisely this since I called you on
> > > your psychiatric pseudo-diagnosis of Robin last December.
> > 
> > I haven't.
> 
> Yes, navashok, you have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kRqnfsBEc

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > -Buck in the Dome
> 
> Buck, I was there just recently, didn't you see me? It's here right?
> http://goo.gl/maps/bgJF0
> >

No, that's the wrong dome.  These are the right ones:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes

 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with this. 
> > >  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation and a 
> > > facility must be kept which takes some organization for the general good 
> > > of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For where two or three 
> > > are gathered in meditation there is the Unified Field in their midst.  
> > > One hopes for the best and the best in people on earth.  
> > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical 
> > > > experience
> > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the heavenly
> > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story and
> > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, clearly
> > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > > probably
> > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret 
> > > > > intimate
> > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) was 
> > > > > too
> > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of here 
> > > > > to
> > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity. Specifically 
> > > > > > he
> > > > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into it, but never
> > > > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had such difficulty 
> > > > > getting
> > > > > people to understand what he was talking about. That's because with
> > > > > enlightenment, you do not get people from here to there, that is not 
> > > > > how it
> > > > > works, but unfortunately everyone interprets the journey of 
> > > > > enlightenment
> > > > > from 'here to there' rather than from 'here to here'; in fact it is 
> > > > > not
> > > > > even that, it is just 'here'. Maharishi understood this, as did other
> > > > > teachers, that you have to find a way to trick the mind into thinking 
> > > > > that
> > > > > teaching is going to take you from some state to another state, 
> > > > > presumably
> > > > > a better one, to motivate the mind to engage in the practices that 
> > > > > will
> > > > > lead to dissolving the delusion that enlightenment is something 
> > > > > different
> > > > > from what you are already experiencing.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
wrote:
>
> > Once you get to the top of the mountain, there is nothing there. So
you come down to the valley and have lunch. I saw Krishnamurti once, and
cannot remember a thing he said, but at that time, I did not have as
much capacity to grasp what he was saying as I do now. I know a lot less
now than I did then, so perhaps now, more of what he said can get
through.
> >
>
> I 'met' Krishnamurti in 1986, not in the body anymore, but through his
books, 'Series on living' on my first trip to India in Noida in the TM
library. I was immediately struck and started to write down quotes into
my diary. It resonated strongly with me at the time. Later, when I had
left the movement, I met quite a few persons who were strongly
influenced by him, knew him personally, or went to all his talks, and I
started reading other books, the biographies, and especially touching,
his last diaries. I know one old lady in Madras, who was close to him
when he still was in Theosophy, that is around 1929, she was connected
to the circle of people around JK at this time in Theosophy, as
described in Mary Lutyens biography. Above that,
>

Not another spiritual person here who has left the movement?  If things
go well with your karma and it all, you may still be able to join with
the large group meditation here. You can apply to meditate with the
large group on-line.   We could certainly use some more with us. 
Yesterday morning there were only 315 men in meditation here.  A bunch
of people have fallen out of line and gone to hob-nobbing with
celebrities in India at that Kumbla Mele there.  You just know they are
going to come back sick and disabled casualties of India.  We could
certainly use a few more good meditators right here to hold the line.

> I spend time in India in the city where he was born, where there is
still a large theosophic school, and Rishi Valley school, one of the
best schools in India founded by him, closeby. Certain lanes in the old
city are named after theosophic characters, from Blavatskies books, and
there is an Annie Besant circle I pass by frequently.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> -Buck in the Dome

Buck, I was there just recently, didn't you see me? It's here right?
http://goo.gl/maps/bgJF0
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with this.  
> > We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation and a facility 
> > must be kept which takes some organization for the general good of honest 
> > and enlightened citizens to work well.  For where two or three are gathered 
> > in meditation there is the Unified Field in their midst.  One hopes for the 
> > best and the best in people on earth.  
> > -Buck in the Dome 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > >
> > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical experience
> > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the heavenly
> > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story and
> > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, clearly
> > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > probably
> > > learned from someone else.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret intimate
> > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) was 
> > > > too
> > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of here to
> > > > there stuff.
> > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity. Specifically he
> > > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into it, but never
> > > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had such difficulty 
> > > > getting
> > > > people to understand what he was talking about. That's because with
> > > > enlightenment, you do not get people from here to there, that is not 
> > > > how it
> > > > works, but unfortunately everyone interprets the journey of 
> > > > enlightenment
> > > > from 'here to there' rather than from 'here to here'; in fact it is not
> > > > even that, it is just 'here'. Maharishi understood this, as did other
> > > > teachers, that you have to find a way to trick the mind into thinking 
> > > > that
> > > > teaching is going to take you from some state to another state, 
> > > > presumably
> > > > a better one, to motivate the mind to engage in the practices that will
> > > > lead to dissolving the delusion that enlightenment is something 
> > > > different
> > > > from what you are already experiencing.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea 
> what is going on here and just do not appreciate what 
> we have here with these Golden Domes.  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes

Isn't it possible that "we people" understand *completely*
what "you people" BELIEVE that you have "going on there,"
and just aren't fuckin' interested? 

For example, I understand *fully* the kind of reinforced
sense of community and "belonging" that comes from twice
a day, in any weather, comes from traipsing across town
to do something supremely silly (like bouncing on your
butt and calling it "flying") with other people. Some
people get this same sense of community by painting their
faces and bodies odd colors and going to football games. 

Others of us don't really feel the need for some sense 
of extended community or "belonging," and/or we really 
don't believe that the TMSP is particularly beneficial
to individuals, and *certainly* don't believe that it is
beneficial to the world or to the environment. 

If we honestly don't BELIEVE those things, what could 
*possibly* be our motivation to want to "join you in the
domes?" 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> > -Buck in the Dome
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with this. 
> > >  We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation and a 
> > > facility must be kept which takes some organization for the general good 
> > > of honest and enlightened citizens to work well.  For where two or three 
> > > are gathered in meditation there is the Unified Field in their midst.  
> > > One hopes for the best and the best in people on earth.  
> > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical 
> > > > experience
> > > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the heavenly
> > > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story and
> > > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, clearly
> > > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > > probably
> > > > learned from someone else.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret 
> > > > > intimate
> > > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) was 
> > > > > too
> > > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of here 
> > > > > to
> > > > > there stuff.
> > > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity. Specifically 
> > > > > > he
> > > > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into it, but never
> > > > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had such difficulty 
> > > > > getting
> > > > > people to understand what he was talking about. That's because with
> > > > > enlightenment, you do not get people from here to there, that is not 
> > > > > how it
> > > > > works, but unfortunately everyone interprets the journey of 
> > > > > enlightenment
> > > > > from 'here to there' rather than from 'here to here'; in fact it is 
> > > > > not
> > > > > even that, it is just 'here'. Maharishi understood this, as did other
> > > > > teachers, that you have to find a way to trick the mind into thinking 
> > > > > that
> > > > > teaching is going to take you from some state to another state, 
> > > > > presumably
> > > > > a better one, to motivate the mind to engage in the practices that 
> > > > > will
> > > > > lead to dissolving the delusion that enlightenment is something 
> > > > > different
> > > > > from what you are already experiencing.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:

> Once you get to the top of the mountain, there is nothing there. So you come 
> down to the valley and have lunch. I saw Krishnamurti once, and cannot 
> remember a thing he said, but at that time, I did not have as much capacity 
> to grasp what he was saying as I do now. I know a lot less now than I did 
> then, so perhaps now, more of what he said can get through.
>

I 'met' Krishnamurti in 1986, not in the body anymore, but through his books, 
'Series on living' on my first trip to India in Noida in the TM library. I was 
immediately struck and started to write down quotes into my diary. It resonated 
strongly with me at the time. Later, when I had left the movement, I met quite 
a few persons who were strongly influenced by him, knew him personally, or went 
to all his talks, and I started reading other books, the biographies, and 
especially touching, his last diaries. I know one old lady in Madras, who was 
close to him when he still was in Theosophy, that is around 1929, she was 
connected to the circle of people around JK at this time in Theosophy, as 
described in Mary Lutyens biography. Above that,

I spend time in India in the city where he was born, where there is still a 
large theosophic school, and Rishi Valley school, one of the best schools in 
India founded by him, closeby. Certain lanes in the old city are named after 
theosophic characters, from Blavatskies books, and there is an Annie Besant 
circle I pass by frequently.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Buck]

Yes, me thinks you people have little, no, or poor idea what is going on here 
and just do not appreciate what we have here with these Golden Domes.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
> -Buck in the Dome
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with this.  
> > We hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation and a facility 
> > must be kept which takes some organization for the general good of honest 
> > and enlightened citizens to work well.  For where two or three are gathered 
> > in meditation there is the Unified Field in their midst.  One hopes for the 
> > best and the best in people on earth.  
> > -Buck in the Dome 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > >
> > > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical experience
> > > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the heavenly
> > > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story and
> > > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, clearly
> > > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he 
> > > probably
> > > learned from someone else.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret intimate
> > > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) was 
> > > > too
> > > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of here to
> > > > there stuff.
> > > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity. Specifically he
> > > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into it, but never
> > > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had such difficulty 
> > > > getting
> > > > people to understand what he was talking about. That's because with
> > > > enlightenment, you do not get people from here to there, that is not 
> > > > how it
> > > > works, but unfortunately everyone interprets the journey of 
> > > > enlightenment
> > > > from 'here to there' rather than from 'here to here'; in fact it is not
> > > > even that, it is just 'here'. Maharishi understood this, as did other
> > > > teachers, that you have to find a way to trick the mind into thinking 
> > > > that
> > > > teaching is going to take you from some state to another state, 
> > > > presumably
> > > > a better one, to motivate the mind to engage in the practices that will
> > > > lead to dissolving the delusion that enlightenment is something 
> > > > different
> > > > from what you are already experiencing.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[Buck]

Me thinks you people do not appreciate what is here. 
-Buck in the Dome

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yes context is everything and Krishnamurti's got nothing to do with this.  We 
> hazard our all if we are here to have a group meditation and a facility must 
> be kept which takes some organization for the general good of honest and 
> enlightened citizens to work well.  For where two or three are gathered in 
> meditation there is the Unified Field in their midst.  One hopes for the best 
> and the best in people on earth.  
> -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > That doesn't invalidate the fact that he had a genuine mystical experience
> > you idiot - even your Ramana Maharishi is now enjoying with the heavenly
> > ladies, the last I heard from him . Based upon Krishnamurti's story and
> > even Amma's - they both have had genuine mystical experience whereas
> > someone like like Maharishi, based upon what I have read so far, clearly
> > hasn't had. So in Maharishi's case it's all what he has learned - he
> > clearly was a very good speaker, good knowledge of the concepts he probably
> > learned from someone else.
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Yifu  wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > It's also a well known fact that Krishnamurti had a long secret intimate
> > > relationship with his best friend's - only the best friend (Raja) was too
> > > dumb to know it! So much for "here to here". Looks like a lot of here to
> > > there stuff.
> > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well that's a POV, but Om what the hell does Krishnamurti know?
> > > > > We've got work to do to get people from here to there.
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > >
> > > > Well, Buck, Maharhisi said Krishnamurti was in unity. Specifically he
> > > said 'too far gone in Unity'. Krishnamurti slipped into it, but never
> > > really knew how he got there, which was why he had such difficulty getting
> > > people to understand what he was talking about. That's because with
> > > enlightenment, you do not get people from here to there, that is not how 
> > > it
> > > works, but unfortunately everyone interprets the journey of enlightenment
> > > from 'here to there' rather than from 'here to here'; in fact it is not
> > > even that, it is just 'here'. Maharishi understood this, as did other
> > > teachers, that you have to find a way to trick the mind into thinking that
> > > teaching is going to take you from some state to another state, presumably
> > > a better one, to motivate the mind to engage in the practices that will
> > > lead to dissolving the delusion that enlightenment is something different
> > > from what you are already experiencing.
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok quoted:
> >
> > "Well, when you're forced to think through or express why 
> > you like something, you're immediately biased toward 
> > opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. 
> > In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that 
> > No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your 
> > senses were taking in a thousand different factors you 
> > weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured 
> > to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, 
> > you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly 
> > you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how 
> > No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those 
> > things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just 
> > trying to make it sound like you made your decision 
> > based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in 
> > reality your tongue had it right all along."
> 
> When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that 
> this tendency to believe in what we can explain or
> verbalize can be "pre-loaded," as a form of mind 
> control. For example, if someone were told, "We can 
> teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand 
> dollars," most people would roll their eyes and know 
> instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. 
> 
> But if you "pre-loaded" that claim with a bunch of
> bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, 
> giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why
> they could fly, or a supposed "holy man," giving them
> equally BS "Vedic" reasons for how or why they could
> fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the 
> TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious 
> insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, 
> the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* 
> an insane idea. 

Just for fun, and to continue riffing on this idea
of the "pre-loading" of beliefs, let's deal with
something less outlandish than "We can teach you to
FLY" -- the basic TM technique. People here go on
and on about the "innocent experience" of TM, and
how it's a "simple, mechanical technique that 
requires no belief" *ignoring* the fact that *both* 
of these phrases were TAUGHT to them, and BEFORE 
they ever learned TM itself. 

Remember how TM is taught, and how it is *mandated*
TO be taught? You *don't* learn the technique 
"innocently." In reality, you learn it only after
having to sit through two at-least one-hour-long
lectures that *explain and verbalize* what you'll
be learning. During those lectures you are TOLD 
what you'll experience, and TOLD what that exper-
ience "means." Then you learn the technique, and 
voila, you tend to experience those things. 

Can you say "placebo effect?" Can you say "pre-
loading of beliefs and expectations?" I think you
can. 

If you disagree, please explain to me how TM could
possibly be considered an "innocent experience," or
a "simple, mechanical technique that requires no 
belief" when you CANNOT learn it without having been
exposed to two lectures that tell you *exactly* what
it is, what you'll be experiencing, what "science"
says about it, and what it all "means." 

To actually *BE* an "innocent experience," TM would
have to be taught with *NO* "pre-loading" in terms of
explanations and verbalizations. No first and second
Intro lectures, just the TM technique itself, with
no "prep." 

The fact that it has never been taught that way, and
never *will* be taught that way, seems to me to rule
*out* "innocent experience" and open up the possibility
that what many people experience as the result of
learning is nothing more than what they have been 
TOLD to expect, and thus at least partly due to the
placebo effect. 

If you disagree, try to present your arguments for
believing otherwise. We'll wait...

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> > I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> > more I think about it ...
> 
> See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
> with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
> actually "get" things.  :-)
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html
> > 
> > "Well, when you're forced to think through or express why 
> > you like something, you're immediately biased toward 
> > opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. 
> > In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that 
> > No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your 
> > senses were taking in a thousand different factors you 
> > weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured 
> > to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, 
> > you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly 
> > you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how 
> > No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those 
> > things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just 
> > trying to make it sound like you made your decision 
> > based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in 
> > reality your tongue had it right all along."
> 
> When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that 
> this tendency to believe in what we can explain or
> verbalize can be "pre-loaded," as a form of mind 
> control. For example, if someone were told, "We can 
> teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand 
> dollars," most people would roll their eyes and know 
> instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. 
> 
> But if you "pre-loaded" that claim with a bunch of
> bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, 
> giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why
> they could fly, or a supposed "holy man," giving them
> equally BS "Vedic" reasons for how or why they could
> fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the 
> TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious 
> insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, 
> the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* 
> an insane idea. 

I think I never really bought into the pseudo science rationale. I was always 
doubtful about the scientific research, even upon starting TM. If it wouldn't 
have been for having had good experiences with TM, I wouldn't have started the 
sidhis. The rationale was, TM worked, so if TM worked well enough with me, this 
must work as well. The first time I heard of siddhis, it was through rumors, 
word of mouth, people who have been to a six month course. It was a sort of 
'privileged knowledge' acquired because I was at a place where this 
knowledge/rumors were shared.

But what comes to my mind is this, that all experiences one had in the TM time, 
where somehow attributed to TM. In the same way that Maharishi once said, we 
claim everything positive happening in the world for us, in the same way, any 
good experience a person may have had during the TM time, was automatically 
assumed to happen BECAUSE OF TM. Any good experience you may have had in 
meditation, was because of TM, it was NAMED, and it wasn't just any meditation, 
it was TM, it had to be TM specific. This NAMING is really what gets people 
hooked I think, you cannot think of anything positive anymore that is not TM. 
It's a sort of anchoring and mind-manipulation.

I sometimes have to think what an old TM friend, who was out of the movement 
asked me at that time. He was deep into TM at a time, like myself. He said that 
a clairvoyant had told him that he has an implant, a sort of a psychic device, 
from his TM time, when he became a teacher. He asked me about my opinion, I 
said I didn't believe in such things really, I'm against these woo woo devices, 
but whenever this discussion here comes up, I admit, I find myself thinking 
there might be something to it. Well, it's probably irrational, but then it 
really shows how conditioning works.


> BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article
> but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how
> we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer.
> Clinical trials indicated that when people were 
> placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember
> favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite
> positive memories from the past, they felt warmer,
> and thus more comfortable. 

I only have to go back one week in memory, when I was in India swimming in the 
Bay of Bengal..
 
> I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms
> of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have 
> their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons
> pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest.
> They start talking about the Beatles, or some 
> course they went on 20 years ago, or even the
> "Vedic era" that never existed but which the

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the 
> more I think about it ...

See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than 
with those who claim to be all rational and all. You
actually "get" things.  :-)

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html
> 
> "Well, when you're forced to think through or express why 
> you like something, you're immediately biased toward 
> opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. 
> In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that 
> No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your 
> senses were taking in a thousand different factors you 
> weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured 
> to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, 
> you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly 
> you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how 
> No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those 
> things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just 
> trying to make it sound like you made your decision 
> based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in 
> reality your tongue had it right all along."

When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that 
this tendency to believe in what we can explain or
verbalize can be "pre-loaded," as a form of mind 
control. For example, if someone were told, "We can 
teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand 
dollars," most people would roll their eyes and know 
instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. 

But if you "pre-loaded" that claim with a bunch of
bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, 
giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why
they could fly, or a supposed "holy man," giving them
equally BS "Vedic" reasons for how or why they could
fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the 
TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious 
insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, 
the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* 
an insane idea. 

BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article
but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how
we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer.
Clinical trials indicated that when people were 
placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember
favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite
positive memories from the past, they felt warmer,
and thus more comfortable. 

I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms
of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have 
their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons
pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest.
They start talking about the Beatles, or some 
course they went on 20 years ago, or even the
"Vedic era" that never existed but which they've
been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all
of this is an unconscious attempt to "warm" them-
selves by taking the chill off of their cognitive
dissonance. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[navashok]

I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it 
...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html
>

"Well, when you're forced to think through or express why you like something, 
you're immediately biased toward opinions that you can actually explain or 
verbalize. In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that No. 4 just 
tasted better, because in that moment your senses were taking in a thousand 
different factors you weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured to 
actually explain in detail which one you liked best, you're looking for easily 
quantifiable things -- suddenly you're talking about how No. 2 had more 
berries, or how No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those things 
actually affected your enjoyment. You're just trying to make it sound like you 
made your decision based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in 
reality your tongue had it right all along."

[FairfieldLife] Re: The top five regrets...

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yes, Friends don't end discouraged in your lives.  If any lurkers here do 
> make it to Fairfield before they die just know that the policy for admittance 
> back to the group meditation in the Domes is effectively "Don't ask, don't 
> tell".  Unless they have something already in your file that they dug up in 
> internet searches about you they are not necessarily going to look for 
> trouble and proly won't ask you much about seeing saints and other spiritual 
> things.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg

The only reason I didn't make more videos like this, is that the software isn't 
free anymore.

[FairfieldLife] For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...

[turquoiseb]

http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: And Yet More Cult News

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>

> > > (snip)
> > > > > > > The  24-year-old Venkata Panindra, an assistant professor
> > > > > > > in an engineering  college performed "Vandana treyam" by 
> > > > > > > locking the air in his throat, stomach and perennial gland
> > > > > > > at a packed TTD Kalyana Mandapam here during the Sadhus
> > > > > > > meet that concluded on Sunday.
> > > 
> 
> Not sure why anyone would want to do this, why anyone else would consider it 
> special or why it is, in the least, newsworthy. Perhaps this ability could 
> qualify as an Olympic sport some day; do you think it should be in the summer 
> or winter Games?
> 
Ann, you obviously missed out on the YF contests the TMO was organizing after 
1986: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSsI0nXv2AM