[FairfieldLife] Bobcat's daughter: *rection during reiki!

[card]

Google translation (only slightly edited) of a post from Ilveksen
tytar (Daughter of an ilves = bobcat) in a astrology forum:

Hi,

I figured out that Let the anonymous ask can feel on the subject, which is a 
little funny. I have thought about this for a few weeks, but I have not dared 
to ask anybody. Although this is a well of natural relates to a taboo still 
such that is difficult to break ..

I am a professional nurse. A few times I have come across the situation of 
nursing care, where the patient has received an erection. I understand that 
this is hopelessly between - and always in such a situation taklannut "no 
jaahas, let's not anything here" - non-verbal attitude and always has been a 
feeling that the patient remained uneasy.

A couple of years ago I went to reiki 1 - the course and I have also studied 
other energy therapies. Now, to some, I have decided to start the adoption of 
energy treatments at home. One and a half years from now will graduate 
acupunkture nurse, so it is a good practice to being a healer shoes in advance.

So - I'm also regularly riding a young horse that is just the world's best. I 
have now given it reiki on two occasions, and each time it has received an 
erection. * cough * - What is it now, then think about ... I guess it is a 
positive sign, I try to be, without analyzing it too much. It is, however, a 
young stallion, which has Stam ..


Now to me then, however, has struck a small panic. What if a male person comes 
by my office and cases where it is so funny that he had an erection?

So how in that situation then really to behave ... Or, perhaps more important 
question is that whether it be that I somehow transmit some sexual energy 
involuntarily - Would it help, give a grounding before treatment was provided, 
or something? Or should I  wear a chastity belt just in case?


Gratefully, I receive answers from more experienced.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[seekliberation]

Left brain vs. right brain thinking does have a lot to do with it too.  Some 
people think one is superior to the other, or try to convince themselves that 
if they can't deal with the experiences indicated by the other half, that those 
experiences are invalid or simply something that shouldn't be a part of 
society.  

I remember taking an IQ test before and then a psychologist explained to us the 
difference between average intelligence, above average, and genius.  Usually 
average intelligence will come from someone who can use either their left brain 
or right brain efficiently.  Above average intelligence (IQ being 100-130) is 
often someone who uses one half of their brain VERY efficiently.  But genius 
intelligence often lies with those who can alternate between both hemispheres 
of the brain.  He explained that IQ tests will often have a series of questions 
that require linear thinking and are then interrupted by questions that require 
abstract or holistic thinking.  It helps determine a person's fluidity in 
thinking patterns which is a true sign of genius, as opposed to the typical 
'Dr. Spock' outlook on intelligence where only 'step by step' logical thinking 
is used as a definition of intelligence.

Hencemy analogy earlier of David Carridine's character 'Kwai Chang Cain' 
who seems to display both left/right brain characteristics.  He too lived much 
on the edge of fear when it was necessary and unavoidable.  And that goes back 
to Bhuddist thought of non-resistance to invitability.  

I think union of both hemispheres of the brain is going to be a major step in 
evolution for humans.  But we first have to get past our tendency to discredit 
the opposite side.  Much like liberals vs. conservatives.  Rather than trying 
to crush the opposition, I think we would be better off just discarding the 
negative qualities of each side and sticking with the positive traits of both 
POV's.

seekliberation 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> I knew both Das and Frawley.  The conflict is probably more between left 
> and right brained people. I recall the artists where I worked were 
> somewhat annoyed about what to do with their stock options.  It required 
> thinking about money and what to do with the stock once they got (turned 
> out selling some for some other stock might have been good). Sometimes I 
> find the materialists function living on the edge of fear which is not 
> very favorable either.
> 
> On 03/01/2013 11:56 AM, seekliberation wrote:
> > I know (only by email and phone) an astrologer by the name of Das Goravani 
> > who is also a trained Hindu priest.  One of the problems he pointed out 
> > about spirituality, as it is viewed and practiced in America, is that life 
> > is still not viewed holistically.  It is viewed in terms of materialism vs. 
> > spirituality.  One analogy similar to his that I remember reading before is 
> > that many people in new-age or alternative spiritual paths are simply 
> > trying to learn the alphabet (all of life's lessons) by focusing all of 
> > their attention on the letter 'Z' (enlightenment).  There seems to be a 
> > severe lack of acknowledgement that all our experiences lead the the same 
> > goal, both material and spiritual.
> >   
> > My experiences with 'SOME' of my family and friends is that their avoidance 
> > of material activities and focus on spirituality has created two-fold 
> > problem:  1.  They're still not enlightened, nor do they seem any closer to 
> > it after 10-30 years, and 2.  They are unable to provide for their own 
> > material needs and therefore are dependent on others.  And what's worse is 
> > that they function with the attitude that because they are 'spiritual', 
> > somehow they deserve to have their material needs provided by others 
> > because they are on a 'higher' path and are clearly 'higher' beings above 
> > alleged 'lowly' activities.
> >
> > Moreover, there seems to be a lack of acknowledgement that we are in a 
> > cycle of birth and death.  Some people recognize it intellectually, but 
> > they don't really make their decisions in life based on that reality.  I 
> > know the TMO and MMY specifically taught the 'enlightenment in one 
> > lifetime' concept.  Das Goravani and David Frawley (who is a legitimate 
> > trained Vedic Scholar, not self-proclaimed) have indicated in their 
> > teachings that it's prepostorous to think that way.  They point out that it 
> > takes many lifetimes just to get our consciousness to a point where we 
> > would even be curious or interested in spirituality.   Then to achieve 
> > enlightenment (Cosmic consciousness) is quite some time.  And then it 
> > doesn't stop there.  You can be in CC and stuck in this cycle of birth and 
> > death due to burning off past karma or rising to GC.  I know a lot of this 
> > is speculation though, and I am certainly no authority.
> >
> > Basically, if you were to look at Kwai Chang Cain's character p

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 03/01/2013 01:42 PM, Ann wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >> dear Buck, I vaguely remember that last scene of spinning Moby.  Maybe I 
> >> should watch it now as a homeopathic remedy.  You know, use dizzyness to 
> >> remove dizzyness.  Anyway, I liked your appeal to turq.  Anything is 
> >> possible, right?
> >> PSÂ  Someday when we bump into each other at the health food store, I will 
> >> buy you a Pecan Pie Larabar and my karmic debt to you will have been paid 
> >> in full (-:
> > Unless you have ringing in your ears you don't have tinnitus. It is very 
> > typical to get inner ear conditions that happen in conjunction with colds 
> > or flu, fluid build up, neat stuff like that. It can cause the equilibrium 
> > issues and can last for some weeks. Of course, if it was me I would 
> > immediately figure I had a brain tumour...luckily most people are not so 
> > Woody Allenish as I am when it comes to health issues.
> 
> You're lucky being in Canada since it probably wouldn't cost much or 
> nothing at all.  Here a doctor will decide to put your through several 
> thousand dollars of tests, MRI, etc just to wind up telling you to live 
> with it.

Yup, pretty much free, or at least no payment is required for tests or 
treatment. But we all pay, one way or another.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Buck]

Brothers and Sisters, I am terribly sorry but it seems the truth was stretched 
in this very post recently published here below of Ahab.  I was really hoping 
but do not know in fact if their process is more transparent now.  Therefore, 
please disregard everything that flowed from that point on.  For accuracy's 
sake we must take some of that post back.
-Buck 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> Dear Turq,  shipmate.  Enough!  It is wholly time now that you re-set your 
> course in life.  Look it, we know you put this stuff about cults here to 
> antagonize the good meditators here who have long set about an honest mission 
> with a goodwill.  Just because we are unified with purpose does not in itself 
> make our group a cult or cult like.  Now thanks to the revolution in social 
> media You, your carping kind, but the fourth estate also have made us even a 
> better people as we are in fact much more transparent in process now than we 
> have ever been.  We are a movement made new since the recent death of our 
> Maharishi and you should come back to us, help fulfill all that is good in 
> the world along with us.  You well owe this to your family, your partner, and 
> your friends.  Don't be bound longer by your past. 
> 
> If the large body of evidence—accepted and published by mainstream scientific 
> journals—is accurate, groups in peace-creating meditation can dramatically 
> reduce violent crime, terrorism, and war. 
> 
> We owe peace our duty, it is all our destiny together.  You once swore your 
> allegiance to this, come back now in alliance and help support the work once 
> again.  Come back to meditation in dignity again with us.
> http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html
> What do you say man, will you do it?
> Let us get along together again in peace,
> - Ahab 
> Captain
> In the Dome
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of
> > > > > dizzyness, maybe cognitive functions being affected.
> > > > > IOW, WTF are you two guys talking about?! Steve, am
> > > > > I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene? I
> > > > > realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts
> > > > > from you and Buck are sailing right over my spinning
> > > > > noggin. Thank you both for any and all mercy shown
> > > > > to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> > > >
> > > > Share, have you not seen the final scene in the 2011
> > > > making of Moby Dick?  The one where the whale is
> > > > rotating and you see Ahab strapped and tethered to the
> > > > whale underwater?  Looks lot like Bevan strapped to
> > > > the TM movement.
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKKlA1rtzQ8 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Now you've got to explain a joke to me. Which is supposed
> > > to be which? Is Bevan supposed to be Ahab, or Moby Dick?
> > 
> > Well, metaphorically it could be worked either way.  I would be afraid to 
> > say which.  
> > 
> > 
> > > Seems to me he's more great white whale-like than the
> > > TMO these days. :-)
> > > 
> > >  
> > > [https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/69670_5881253845\
> > > 50252_1439624177_n.jpg]
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: Buck
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult
> > > abuse work
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale;
> > > to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for
> > > hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all
> > > hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then
> > > tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou
> > > damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> > > > > Om,
> > > > > pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-les\
> > > s-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > >  > > ss-intense-than-expected/52004.html>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
(snip)
> But the dizzyness just started on Feb 16. Got antibiotic
> for it. Took 2 doses. Didn't like side effects.

It's this kind of ignorant, irresponsible abuse of
antibiotics that contributes to the development of
bacteria that are *resistant* to antibiotics, which
endangers everybody.

If the side effects are really intolerable, call 
your doctor and see if there's a different one that
would be just as effective.

But earlier you said you stopped taking the 
amoxicillin because the dizziness had improved. You
should never, *ever* take less antibiotic than was
prescribed unless your doctor gives the OK.

And now your dizziness is worse again because you
didn't stick with the regimen, and you'll likely
have to take more and maybe even a stronger 
antibiotic than you would have if you hadn't
stopped prematurely, because now you need to kill
the bacteria that were strong enough to survive
those first two doses of the antibiotic.

Here's what you wrote earlier:

"The dizzyness comes and goes but is definitely less than when it started.  
Phys asst said inner ear infection and prescribed amoxycillan.  But I only took 
2 doses.  No fever, no pain or throbbing and even CDC says antibiotic is 
ineffective for a viral infection."

What exactly are your qualifications for deciding
the ear infection is viral rather than bacterial?

Especially given that the amoxicillin the physician
assistant prescribed *had begun to work*?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[doctordumbass]

I mentioned the "message view" to my wife - seriously, didn't read it, and she 
remarked that pessimists' lives just *seem* longer. Makes sense to me. Time 
flies when you're having fun!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> The pessimists you rag on will outlive you. 
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/pessimists-live-longer-lives-study_n_2781598.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras

[John]

Share,

1. John, what do you mean that an element of Rahu is represented by the hadron 
collider at CERN?  And why is it strange that this Rahu element is needed to 
discover Higgs, etc?

In modern jyotish understanding, Rahu is the significator of any complex 
machinery.  So, Rahu's characteristics can be found in the LHC, which is 
considered to be the most complicated machinery ever built in history.

As you well know, Rahu is considered to be an impostor in vedic mythology.  The 
Sun and the Moon have recognized Rahu's charade in order to drink amrita, the 
food of the gods.  For this reason the two luminaries reported the impostor to 
Vishnu, who swiftly threw his chakra to kill Rahu.  Although the chakra cut 
Rahu's head from the body, he was able to imbibe part of the amrita to make him 
immortal.  Thus, up to this day Rahu has become the mortal enemy of the Sun and 
Moon.

So, it is ironic that modern science has to use Rahu, in the guise of the LHC, 
to prove the natural laws emanating from the knowledge of the Sun and the Moon. 
 Is that perfectly clear? :)


2. > Thanks for photos of baby planet (-:
>

You're welcome.  To be frank, I didn't think it was ever possible to perform 
this feat by using telescopes with large lenses that are based on land--in 
Chile as a matter of fact.
 
3. I just received a jyotish newsletter saying that first half of March is good 
for getting second medical opinions because retro merc is in a nakshatra 
meaning 100 physicians!

That's a fair assessment since Mercury is in the nakshatra of Shatabishak.  But 
there are three other planets in the sign of Aquarius as well.  These are the 
Sun, Mars and Venus.  Since these planets are in the third house of the US 
natal chart, we are witnessing in the news media the battle of the Democrats 
and Republicans regarding the budget sequestration.  So, the month of March 
will be a spectacle for political maneuverings here in the USA and in the 
Vatican.
>  

JR

> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:45 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras
>  
> 
>   
> 1. Knowledge of the atom is the result of the sanyama of the Sun.
> 
> 2. Knowledge of the subparticles of the atom is the result of the sanyama of 
> the Moon.
> 
> 3. Knowledge of the standard model in physics refers to the sanyama of Dhruva.
> 
> Strangely enough, an element of Rahu, which is represented by the Large 
> Hadron Collider at CERN, is needed to prove and discover new subparticles, 
> like the Higgs Boson, in physics.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > On 03/01/2013 01:49 AM, navashok wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > >> snip
> > >>
> > >>The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be 
> > >> burried,
> > >> and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though
> > >> supportive of the movement did not allow.
> 
> 
> Which, ofcourse, is pure speculation on your part.

Nope, I know it, I was there at the cremation on February 2008.

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/163900
 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Back in the late 1970s there was a paperback novel called "Gates of 
> > Fire" that talked about some of the burial rituals.  The author Elwyn 
> > Chamberlain had taught English in India so drew in some of the 
> > traditions in the novel.  That's where I first heard of these different 
> > types of burials.  It may have been optioned for a movie that never got 
> > made.
> > 
> > http://books.google.com/books/about/Gates_of_Fire.html?id=7HQzVsm0ppoC
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hugo Chavez Is Near Death

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > He wanted to play a powerful role of the politics in South America.  It 
> > appears that destiny has other plans for him.
> > 
> > http://news.yahoo.com/hugo-ch-vez-not-dead-hes-close-050515351.html
> >
> 
> 
> Destiny has that very same plan for a lot of us.

Salyavin,

So very true.  Humans are not immortals, at least for now.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hugo Chavez Is Near Death

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 03/01/2013 12:28 PM, John wrote:
> > He wanted to play a powerful role of the politics in South America.  It 
> > appears that destiny has other plans for him.
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/hugo-ch-vez-not-dead-hes-close-050515351.html
> 
> Hopefully his spirit will remain and others continue his cause of making 
> South America for the people and not just a few rich assholes.  We need 
> to do same here.  BTW, fun to read all the no nothing comments of 
> brainwashed AmeriZombies in article.

We don't know all of the scenarios that can happen when Chavez dies.  But his 
passing may pave the way for a South American Union, similar to the European 
Union.

Also, Fidel Castro and his brother are getting old.  After they're gone the 
Communist revolutionary spirit in Cuba may disappear too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to 
> prakriti.  My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas 
> trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not.  
> 
> BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day.  I think the ringing in 
> ears decreased some.  Thanks for tip.

Have you tried attaching strong neodymium magnets near the ear canals?
I have often three or even four piled on each other during the night time 
(about half an inch diameter):

http://www.magnets2buy.com/acatalog/neodymium-discs.html 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Bhairitu]

On 03/01/2013 01:42 PM, Ann wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>> dear Buck, I vaguely remember that last scene of spinning Moby.  Maybe I 
>> should watch it now as a homeopathic remedy.  You know, use dizzyness to 
>> remove dizzyness.  Anyway, I liked your appeal to turq.  Anything is 
>> possible, right?
>> PSÂ  Someday when we bump into each other at the health food store, I will 
>> buy you a Pecan Pie Larabar and my karmic debt to you will have been paid in 
>> full (-:
> Unless you have ringing in your ears you don't have tinnitus. It is very 
> typical to get inner ear conditions that happen in conjunction with colds or 
> flu, fluid build up, neat stuff like that. It can cause the equilibrium 
> issues and can last for some weeks. Of course, if it was me I would 
> immediately figure I had a brain tumour...luckily most people are not so 
> Woody Allenish as I am when it comes to health issues.

You're lucky being in Canada since it probably wouldn't cost much or 
nothing at all.  Here a doctor will decide to put your through several 
thousand dollars of tests, MRI, etc just to wind up telling you to live 
with it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Share Long]

I have both!  I've had tinnitus for years.  But the dizzyness just started on 
Feb 16.  Got antibiotic for it.  Took 2 doses.  Didn't like side effects.  Seem 
to be adapting to dizzyness by listing to port when I walk.  Other symptoms are 
gone.  May get second opinion.  Supposedly good jyotish time for second 
opinions of doctors.  Not making that up.  

I'm laughing because just today I was telling a friend that when they first 
arise, I think every little pain or ailment I have is gonna be the one that 
kills me.  So even though my writing group tells me I have a good sense of 
humor, I know it can get pushed to the back burner when I'm worried about my 
health.  Especially when I can't figure out what to do.  I do a lot of Release 
Technique on fear of dying.  It helps.  And then it's easy to be brave about 
everything else.  Like FFL (-:    





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 3:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear Buck, I vaguely remember that last scene of spinning Moby.  Maybe I 
> should watch it now as a homeopathic remedy.  You know, use dizzyness to 
> remove dizzyness.  Anyway, I liked your appeal to turq.  Anything is 
> possible, right?
> PS  Someday when we bump into each other at the health food store, I will 
> buy you a Pecan Pie Larabar and my karmic debt to you will have been paid in 
> full (-:

Unless you have ringing in your ears you don't have tinnitus. It is very 
typical to get inner ear conditions that happen in conjunction with colds or 
flu, fluid build up, neat stuff like that. It can cause the equilibrium issues 
and can last for some weeks. Of course, if it was me I would immediately figure 
I had a brain tumour...luckily most people are not so Woody Allenish as I am 
when it comes to health issues.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 7:11 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse 
> work
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of dizzyness, maybe 
> > cognitive functions being affected.  IOW, WTF are you two guys talking 
> > about?!  Steve, am I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene?  I 
> > realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts from you and Buck are 
> > sailing right over my spinning noggin.  Thank you both for any and all 
> > mercy shown to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> > 
> >
> 
> Share, have you not seen the final scene in the 2011 making of 
> Mobey Dick?  The one where the whale is rotating and you see Ahab strapped 
> and tethered to the whale underwater?
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse 
> > work
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the 
> > > last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's 
> > > sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to 
> > > one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to 
> > > pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! 
> > > Thus, I give up the spear!"
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> > Om, 
> > pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> > 
> > > > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear Buck, I vaguely remember that last scene of spinning Moby.  Maybe I 
> should watch it now as a homeopathic remedy.  You know, use dizzyness to 
> remove dizzyness.  Anyway, I liked your appeal to turq.  Anything is 
> possible, right?
> PS  Someday when we bump into each other at the health food store, I will 
> buy you a Pecan Pie Larabar and my karmic debt to you will have been paid in 
> full (-:

Unless you have ringing in your ears you don't have tinnitus. It is very 
typical to get inner ear conditions that happen in conjunction with colds or 
flu, fluid build up, neat stuff like that. It can cause the equilibrium issues 
and can last for some weeks. Of course, if it was me I would immediately figure 
I had a brain tumour...luckily most people are not so Woody Allenish as I am 
when it comes to health issues.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 7:11 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse 
> work
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of dizzyness, maybe 
> > cognitive functions being affected.  IOW, WTF are you two guys talking 
> > about?!  Steve, am I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene?  I 
> > realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts from you and Buck are 
> > sailing right over my spinning noggin.  Thank you both for any and all 
> > mercy shown to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> > 
> >
> 
> Share, have you not seen the final scene in the 2011 making of 
> Mobey Dick?  The one where the whale is rotating and you see Ahab strapped 
> and tethered to the whale underwater?
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse 
> > work
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the 
> > > last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's 
> > > sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to 
> > > one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to 
> > > pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! 
> > > Thus, I give up the spear!"
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> > Om, 
> > pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> > 
> > > > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> One finds the same mindset in many other spiritual teach-
> ings, such as the Christian monks who refuse to beg for
> a living, and are required to develop skills with which
> to pay the bills of the monastery they live in, and pay
> for their own lives. There are similar teachings in some
> Buddhist traditions, and in many other spiritual traditions.


Yeah, right:

  [Monks processing at dawn for alms of rice in Luang Prabang, Laos,
Indochina, Southeast Asia, Asia Stock Photo - Rights-Managed, Artist:
Robert Harding Images, Code: 841-03676049]

 


>
> It seems to be only the New Age and some Hindu-based
> traditions in which being spaced out and unable to find
> one's mouth with a fork, let alone earn a living, are
> looked upon as "spiritual," and a Good Thing.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 03/01/2013 01:49 AM, navashok wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >> snip
> >>
> >>The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried,
> >> and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though
> >> supportive of the movement did not allow.


Which, ofcourse, is pure speculation on your part.



> 
> Back in the late 1970s there was a paperback novel called "Gates of 
> Fire" that talked about some of the burial rituals.  The author Elwyn 
> Chamberlain had taught English in India so drew in some of the 
> traditions in the novel.  That's where I first heard of these different 
> types of burials.  It may have been optioned for a movie that never got 
> made.
> 
> http://books.google.com/books/about/Gates_of_Fire.html?id=7HQzVsm0ppoC
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[Bhairitu]

I knew both Das and Frawley.  The conflict is probably more between left 
and right brained people. I recall the artists where I worked were 
somewhat annoyed about what to do with their stock options.  It required 
thinking about money and what to do with the stock once they got (turned 
out selling some for some other stock might have been good). Sometimes I 
find the materialists function living on the edge of fear which is not 
very favorable either.

On 03/01/2013 11:56 AM, seekliberation wrote:
> I know (only by email and phone) an astrologer by the name of Das Goravani 
> who is also a trained Hindu priest.  One of the problems he pointed out about 
> spirituality, as it is viewed and practiced in America, is that life is still 
> not viewed holistically.  It is viewed in terms of materialism vs. 
> spirituality.  One analogy similar to his that I remember reading before is 
> that many people in new-age or alternative spiritual paths are simply trying 
> to learn the alphabet (all of life's lessons) by focusing all of their 
> attention on the letter 'Z' (enlightenment).  There seems to be a severe lack 
> of acknowledgement that all our experiences lead the the same goal, both 
> material and spiritual.
>   
> My experiences with 'SOME' of my family and friends is that their avoidance 
> of material activities and focus on spirituality has created two-fold 
> problem:  1.  They're still not enlightened, nor do they seem any closer to 
> it after 10-30 years, and 2.  They are unable to provide for their own 
> material needs and therefore are dependent on others.  And what's worse is 
> that they function with the attitude that because they are 'spiritual', 
> somehow they deserve to have their material needs provided by others because 
> they are on a 'higher' path and are clearly 'higher' beings above alleged 
> 'lowly' activities.
>
> Moreover, there seems to be a lack of acknowledgement that we are in a cycle 
> of birth and death.  Some people recognize it intellectually, but they don't 
> really make their decisions in life based on that reality.  I know the TMO 
> and MMY specifically taught the 'enlightenment in one lifetime' concept.  Das 
> Goravani and David Frawley (who is a legitimate trained Vedic Scholar, not 
> self-proclaimed) have indicated in their teachings that it's prepostorous to 
> think that way.  They point out that it takes many lifetimes just to get our 
> consciousness to a point where we would even be curious or interested in 
> spirituality.   Then to achieve enlightenment (Cosmic consciousness) is quite 
> some time.  And then it doesn't stop there.  You can be in CC and stuck in 
> this cycle of birth and death due to burning off past karma or rising to GC.  
> I know a lot of this is speculation though, and I am certainly no authority.
>
> Basically, if you were to look at Kwai Chang Cain's character played by David 
> Carradine, I think you're looking at a truly evolved person.  By all means he 
> is the epitome of spirituality.  He is humble, philisophical, balanced, he 
> meditates, and he accepts reality for what it is.  But at the same time, he 
> is capable of dealing with material life, in fact he's better at it than any 
> other character in the series.  In addition to being able to fight, his work 
> ethic is relentless.
>
> Therefore, my synopsis, as incorrect as it may be, following a spiritual path 
> in the midst of extreme material incompetence is a sign of nothing more than 
> studying the letter 'Z'.  You still have the rest of the alphabet to work on. 
>  And until we learn the whole alphabet, guess where our soul is going after 
> this cycle of birth and death?  Nowhere but right back here.
>
> seekliberation
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> "A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that painfully now."
>>
>> Or perhaps materialism is better and spiritualism for existing on this
>> planet?  Those who worship wealth may fare better than those who follow
>> a spiritual path?  I often found it hard once on a spiritual path to
>> focus on money.  What income there was seemed to come incidentally.  But
>> then maybe it is just all karma for there are certainly folks who kept
>> following a spiritual path yet became wealthy.  I also find it very
>> interesting what kind of people have jobs now and those who are unemployed.
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras

[Share Long]

John, what do you mean that an element of Rahu is represented by the hadron 
collider at CERN?  And why is it strange that this Rahu element is needed to 
discover Higgs, etc?


Thanks for photos of baby planet (-:

I just received a jyotish newsletter saying that first half of March is good 
for getting second medical opinions because retro merc is in a nakshatra 
meaning 100 physicians!



 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:45 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras
 

  
1. Knowledge of the atom is the result of the sanyama of the Sun.

2. Knowledge of the subparticles of the atom is the result of the sanyama of 
the Moon.

3. Knowledge of the standard model in physics refers to the sanyama of Dhruva.

Strangely enough, an element of Rahu, which is represented by the Large Hadron 
Collider at CERN, is needed to prove and discover new subparticles, like the 
Higgs Boson, in physics.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur

[Bhairitu]

A half a can of pineapple?  I think the web page only mentions a few 
slices a day.  Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the 
tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are 
different reasons for tinnitus.

Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already 
that warm.  That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia.

Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not 
so much materialism and spirituality.  Or maybe the spiritual folks will 
come out on the winning side anyway.

On 03/01/2013 12:03 PM, Share Long wrote:
> Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to 
> prakriti.  My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas 
> trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not.
>
> BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day.  I think the ringing in 
> ears decreased some.  Thanks for tip.
>
> And I thought FF had changeable weather!  One learns to layer clothing.
>
> About materialism and spirituality:  some days the most concrete aspects of 
> earthly life are also the most divine (-:
>
>
> 
>   From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
>   
>
>
> On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>> You mean the monsoon season?  Today in California it was winter
>>> overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in
>>> the evening. :-D
>>>
>>> I found the tape.  I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections
>>> and EQ it better.
>>>
>>> "Om Rama Krisna Hari" is for pitta but may also be tridoshic.
>> Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, 
>> like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is 
>> it purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is 
>> long time ago)
> A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and
> their names create the effect.  I recall the goal in ayurveda was to
> function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to
> your constitution (prakrati).
>
>
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Share Long]

dear Buck, I vaguely remember that last scene of spinning Moby.  Maybe I should 
watch it now as a homeopathic remedy.  You know, use dizzyness to remove 
dizzyness.  Anyway, I liked your appeal to turq.  Anything is possible, right?
PS  Someday when we bump into each other at the health food store, I will buy 
you a Pecan Pie Larabar and my karmic debt to you will have been paid in full 
(-:




 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 7:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of dizzyness, maybe 
> cognitive functions being affected.  IOW, WTF are you two guys talking 
> about?!  Steve, am I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene?  I 
> realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts from you and Buck are 
> sailing right over my spinning noggin.  Thank you both for any and all mercy 
> shown to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> 
>

Share, have you not seen the final scene in the 2011 making of 
Mobey Dick?  The one where the whale is rotating and you see Ahab strapped and 
tethered to the whale underwater?

> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse 
> work
> 
> 
>   
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the 
> > last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake 
> > I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one 
> > common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, 
> > while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I 
> > give up the spear!"
> > 
> >
> 
> Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> Om, 
> pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> 
> > > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hugo Chavez Is Near Death

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> He wanted to play a powerful role of the politics in South America.  It 
> appears that destiny has other plans for him.
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/hugo-ch-vez-not-dead-hes-close-050515351.html
>


Destiny has that very same plan for a lot of us.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hugo Chavez Is Near Death

[Bhairitu]

On 03/01/2013 12:28 PM, John wrote:
> He wanted to play a powerful role of the politics in South America.  It 
> appears that destiny has other plans for him.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/hugo-ch-vez-not-dead-hes-close-050515351.html

Hopefully his spirit will remain and others continue his cause of making 
South America for the people and not just a few rich assholes.  We need 
to do same here.  BTW, fun to read all the no nothing comments of 
brainwashed AmeriZombies in article.

[FairfieldLife] Hugo Chavez Is Near Death

[John]

He wanted to play a powerful role of the politics in South America.  It appears 
that destiny has other plans for him.

http://news.yahoo.com/hugo-ch-vez-not-dead-hes-close-050515351.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Buck]

Dear Turq,  shipmate.  Enough!  It is wholly time now that you re-set your 
course in life.  Look it, we know you put this stuff about cults here to 
antagonize the good meditators here who have long set about an honest mission 
with a goodwill.  Just because we are unified with purpose does not in itself 
make our group a cult or cult like.  Now thanks to the revolution in social 
media You, your carping kind, but the fourth estate also have made us even a 
better people as we are in fact much more transparent in process now than we 
have ever been.  We are a movement made new since the recent death of our 
Maharishi and you should come back to us, help fulfill all that is good in the 
world along with us.  You well owe this to your family, your partner, and your 
friends.  Don't be bound longer by your past. 

If the large body of evidence—accepted and published by mainstream scientific 
journals—is accurate, groups in peace-creating meditation can dramatically 
reduce violent crime, terrorism, and war. 

We owe peace our duty iit is all our destiny together.  You once swore your 
allegiance to this, come back now in alliance and help support the work once 
again.  Come back to meditation in dignity again with us.
http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html
What do you say man, will you do it?
Let us get along together again in peace,
- Ahab 
Captain
In the Dome


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of
> > > > dizzyness, maybe cognitive functions being affected.
> > > > IOW, WTF are you two guys talking about?! Steve, am
> > > > I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene? I
> > > > realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts
> > > > from you and Buck are sailing right over my spinning
> > > > noggin. Thank you both for any and all mercy shown
> > > > to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> > >
> > > Share, have you not seen the final scene in the 2011
> > > making of Moby Dick?  The one where the whale is
> > > rotating and you see Ahab strapped and tethered to the
> > > whale underwater?  Looks lot like Bevan strapped to
> > > the TM movement.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKKlA1rtzQ8 
> > 
> > 
> > Now you've got to explain a joke to me. Which is supposed
> > to be which? Is Bevan supposed to be Ahab, or Moby Dick?
> 
> Well, metaphorically it could be worked either way.  I would be afraid to say 
> which.  
> 
> 
> > Seems to me he's more great white whale-like than the
> > TMO these days. :-)
> > 
> >  
> > [https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/69670_5881253845\
> > 50252_1439624177_n.jpg]
> > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: Buck
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult
> > abuse work
> > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale;
> > to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for
> > hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all
> > hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then
> > tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou
> > damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"
> > > >
> > > > Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> > > > Om,
> > > > pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-les\
> > s-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> >  > ss-intense-than-expected/52004.html>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur

[Share Long]

Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to 
prakriti.  My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying 
to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not.  

BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day.  I think the ringing in ears 
decreased some.  Thanks for tip.

And I thought FF had changeable weather!  One learns to layer clothing. 

About materialism and spirituality:  some days the most concrete aspects of 
earthly life are also the most divine (-: 



 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
 

  
On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> You mean the monsoon season?  Today in California it was winter
>> overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in
>> the evening. :-D
>>
>> I found the tape.  I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections
>> and EQ it better.
>>
>> "Om Rama Krisna Hari" is for pitta but may also be tridoshic.
> Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, 
> like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it 
> purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long 
> time ago)

A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and 
their names create the effect.  I recall the goal in ayurveda was to 
function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to 
your constitution (prakrati).


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[seekliberation]

I think I replied to quickly to the same post.  You pretty much stated the same 
thing I did regarding how materialistic incompetence is somehow looked at as a 
virtue.

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > "A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that painfully now."
> > 
> > Or perhaps materialism is better and spiritualism for existing 
> > on this planet? Those who worship wealth may fare better than 
> > those who follow a spiritual path?  
> 
> More likely it's that the so-called "spiritual" paths
> ignored the value of Living In The Material World for
> so long, and passed this down as a virtue. 
> 
> This was never the case, for example, in the shamanic
> teachings popularized by Carlos Castaneda. His fictional
> don Juan (synthesized from a number of real Yaqui shamans)
> was clear that success in the spiritual realms was 
> *dependent on* having mastered the material world, or
> the First Attention. 
> 
> If you can't get by in that world, they taught, and with 
> some modicum of style and class, you *don't stand a chance* 
> of getting anywhere in the more refined spiritual worlds. 
> The latter is *dependent on* having mastered the former.
> 
> My experiences in the worlds of spiritual development tend
> to make me believe the wisdom of this. To make a long story
> short, those who cannot cope with the material world, and
> who wander around in a spaced-out state of mind that they
> call "spiritual" don't last very long, and aren't missed
> when the material world runs over them and leaves them as
> roadkill. Being able to handle the material world, and to
> turn it to your advantage, has a distinct advantage when
> one ventures into realms in which one plays with more
> subtle energies. Those who could not even master gross
> energies don't stand a chance in that world. 
> 
> One finds the same mindset in many other spiritual teach-
> ings, such as the Christian monks who refuse to beg for 
> a living, and are required to develop skills with which
> to pay the bills of the monastery they live in, and pay
> for their own lives. There are similar teachings in some
> Buddhist traditions, and in many other spiritual traditions.
> 
> It seems to be only the New Age and some Hindu-based 
> traditions in which being spaced out and unable to find 
> one's mouth with a fork, let alone earn a living, are 
> looked upon as "spiritual," and a Good Thing.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[seekliberation]

I know (only by email and phone) an astrologer by the name of Das Goravani who 
is also a trained Hindu priest.  One of the problems he pointed out about 
spirituality, as it is viewed and practiced in America, is that life is still 
not viewed holistically.  It is viewed in terms of materialism vs. 
spirituality.  One analogy similar to his that I remember reading before is 
that many people in new-age or alternative spiritual paths are simply trying to 
learn the alphabet (all of life's lessons) by focusing all of their attention 
on the letter 'Z' (enlightenment).  There seems to be a severe lack of 
acknowledgement that all our experiences lead the the same goal, both material 
and spiritual. 
 
My experiences with 'SOME' of my family and friends is that their avoidance of 
material activities and focus on spirituality has created two-fold problem:  1. 
 They're still not enlightened, nor do they seem any closer to it after 10-30 
years, and 2.  They are unable to provide for their own material needs and 
therefore are dependent on others.  And what's worse is that they function with 
the attitude that because they are 'spiritual', somehow they deserve to have 
their material needs provided by others because they are on a 'higher' path and 
are clearly 'higher' beings above alleged 'lowly' activities.  

Moreover, there seems to be a lack of acknowledgement that we are in a cycle of 
birth and death.  Some people recognize it intellectually, but they don't 
really make their decisions in life based on that reality.  I know the TMO and 
MMY specifically taught the 'enlightenment in one lifetime' concept.  Das 
Goravani and David Frawley (who is a legitimate trained Vedic Scholar, not 
self-proclaimed) have indicated in their teachings that it's prepostorous to 
think that way.  They point out that it takes many lifetimes just to get our 
consciousness to a point where we would even be curious or interested in 
spirituality.   Then to achieve enlightenment (Cosmic consciousness) is quite 
some time.  And then it doesn't stop there.  You can be in CC and stuck in this 
cycle of birth and death due to burning off past karma or rising to GC.  I know 
a lot of this is speculation though, and I am certainly no authority.
  
Basically, if you were to look at Kwai Chang Cain's character played by David 
Carradine, I think you're looking at a truly evolved person.  By all means he 
is the epitome of spirituality.  He is humble, philisophical, balanced, he 
meditates, and he accepts reality for what it is.  But at the same time, he is 
capable of dealing with material life, in fact he's better at it than any other 
character in the series.  In addition to being able to fight, his work ethic is 
relentless.  
  
Therefore, my synopsis, as incorrect as it may be, following a spiritual path 
in the midst of extreme material incompetence is a sign of nothing more than 
studying the letter 'Z'.  You still have the rest of the alphabet to work on.  
And until we learn the whole alphabet, guess where our soul is going after this 
cycle of birth and death?  Nowhere but right back here.  

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> "A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that painfully now."
> 
> Or perhaps materialism is better and spiritualism for existing on this 
> planet?  Those who worship wealth may fare better than those who follow 
> a spiritual path?  I often found it hard once on a spiritual path to 
> focus on money.  What income there was seemed to come incidentally.  But 
> then maybe it is just all karma for there are certainly folks who kept 
> following a spiritual path yet became wealthy.  I also find it very 
> interesting what kind of people have jobs now and those who are unemployed.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[Bhairitu]

On 03/01/2013 11:05 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> "A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that painfully now."
>>
>> Or perhaps materialism is better and spiritualism for existing
>> on this planet? Those who worship wealth may fare better than
>> those who follow a spiritual path?
> More likely it's that the so-called "spiritual" paths
> ignored the value of Living In The Material World for
> so long, and passed this down as a virtue.
>
> This was never the case, for example, in the shamanic
> teachings popularized by Carlos Castaneda. His fictional
> don Juan (synthesized from a number of real Yaqui shamans)
> was clear that success in the spiritual realms was
> *dependent on* having mastered the material world, or
> the First Attention.
>
> If you can't get by in that world, they taught, and with
> some modicum of style and class, you *don't stand a chance*
> of getting anywhere in the more refined spiritual worlds.
> The latter is *dependent on* having mastered the former.
>
> My experiences in the worlds of spiritual development tend
> to make me believe the wisdom of this. To make a long story
> short, those who cannot cope with the material world, and
> who wander around in a spaced-out state of mind that they
> call "spiritual" don't last very long, and aren't missed
> when the material world runs over them and leaves them as
> roadkill. Being able to handle the material world, and to
> turn it to your advantage, has a distinct advantage when
> one ventures into realms in which one plays with more
> subtle energies. Those who could not even master gross
> energies don't stand a chance in that world.
>
> One finds the same mindset in many other spiritual teach-
> ings, such as the Christian monks who refuse to beg for
> a living, and are required to develop skills with which
> to pay the bills of the monastery they live in, and pay
> for their own lives. There are similar teachings in some
> Buddhist traditions, and in many other spiritual traditions.
>
> It seems to be only the New Age and some Hindu-based
> traditions in which being spaced out and unable to find
> one's mouth with a fork, let alone earn a living, are
> looked upon as "spiritual," and a Good Thing.

Of course "spaced out" was not what I was referring to.  "Spaced out" is 
not a spiritual state.  Economies used to be more flexible before the 
banksters gambled away all the money and put the citizens of the planet 
in deep debt (sounds like a science fiction story rather than reality).  
So one could focus more on their spiritual path and still earn a good 
living.  Now that's screwed unless you work for the offense industry.  
Or maybe some people are still able to make a good living selling 
crystals? :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: First Photo of Alien Planet

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > This is great science and engineering work.  The next feat should be to see 
> > the cloud tops of these alien planets.
> > 
> > http://news.yahoo.com/1st-photo-alien-planet-forming-snapped-telescope-153016924.html
> >
> "So far, planet formation has mostly been a topic tackled by computer 
> simulations," astronomer Sascha Quanz of ETH Zurich in Switzerland, leader of 
> the research team, said in a statement. "If our discovery is indeed a forming 
> planet, then for the first time scientists will be able to study the planet 
> formation process and the interaction of a forming planet and its natal 
> environment empirically at a very early stage."
> 
> I think the scientists have to just sit behind the telescope and patiently 
> wait to see how the planet evolves.
>


They should look for some more exoplanets, which is more likely since planets 
are fairly common among stars in the galaxy.  Also, they should get bigger 
lenses so they can focus closer to see more details.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> "A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that painfully now."
> 
> Or perhaps materialism is better and spiritualism for existing 
> on this planet? Those who worship wealth may fare better than 
> those who follow a spiritual path?  

More likely it's that the so-called "spiritual" paths
ignored the value of Living In The Material World for
so long, and passed this down as a virtue. 

This was never the case, for example, in the shamanic
teachings popularized by Carlos Castaneda. His fictional
don Juan (synthesized from a number of real Yaqui shamans)
was clear that success in the spiritual realms was 
*dependent on* having mastered the material world, or
the First Attention. 

If you can't get by in that world, they taught, and with 
some modicum of style and class, you *don't stand a chance* 
of getting anywhere in the more refined spiritual worlds. 
The latter is *dependent on* having mastered the former.

My experiences in the worlds of spiritual development tend
to make me believe the wisdom of this. To make a long story
short, those who cannot cope with the material world, and
who wander around in a spaced-out state of mind that they
call "spiritual" don't last very long, and aren't missed
when the material world runs over them and leaves them as
roadkill. Being able to handle the material world, and to
turn it to your advantage, has a distinct advantage when
one ventures into realms in which one plays with more
subtle energies. Those who could not even master gross
energies don't stand a chance in that world. 

One finds the same mindset in many other spiritual teach-
ings, such as the Christian monks who refuse to beg for 
a living, and are required to develop skills with which
to pay the bills of the monastery they live in, and pay
for their own lives. There are similar teachings in some
Buddhist traditions, and in many other spiritual traditions.

It seems to be only the New Age and some Hindu-based 
traditions in which being spaced out and unable to find 
one's mouth with a fork, let alone earn a living, are 
looked upon as "spiritual," and a Good Thing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[Bhairitu]

"A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that painfully now."

Or perhaps materialism is better and spiritualism for existing on this 
planet?  Those who worship wealth may fare better than those who follow 
a spiritual path?  I often found it hard once on a spiritual path to 
focus on money.  What income there was seemed to come incidentally.  But 
then maybe it is just all karma for there are certainly folks who kept 
following a spiritual path yet became wealthy.  I also find it very 
interesting what kind of people have jobs now and those who are unemployed.

On 03/01/2013 04:18 AM, seekliberation wrote:
> It makes sense to me when I read the article.  But I also think there is a 
> fine line between those who look at the glass as half empty, and those who 
> just sit around in a state of misery and do nothing to increase what's in the 
> glass.
>
> So I guess it's not as simple as 'half-empty, half-full'.  It's more complex 
> than that.  I guess it may be more like this:
>
> 1.  The glass is half full, so i'll just sit on my ass for now.
> 2.  The glass is half full, so i'll save it for later.
> 3.  The glass is half empty, so I better start filling it up now.
> 4.  The glass is half empty, therefore life sucks.
>
> I would say that #2 & #3 are a healthy approach.  So it's not just that 
> pessimism is better, it's that DOING something to improve your situation is 
> superior to relaxing and assuming that everything is going to work out just 
> fine.  And it's the pessimist who will percieve the need for action more so 
> than the optimist.  A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that 
> painfully now.
>
> seekliberation
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> The pessimists you rag on will outlive you.
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/pessimists-live-longer-lives-study_n_2781598.html
>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?

[Bhairitu]

On 03/01/2013 01:49 AM, navashok wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>> snip
>>
>>The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried,
>> and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though
>> supportive of the movement did not allow.
>>
>> Real Samadhi? By being buried.  How does that work exactly?
> Haha, funny, well there is also Jeeva Samadhi. 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeva_Samadhi or Jala Samadhi 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nZE0E4ckc No, I'm confusing you.
>
> In this case Samadhi simply denotes the grave of a yogi or saint. Usually 
> Hindus are cremated, but saints, Sadhus, Swamis are buried.
>
> Funny story here: I was at the ashram of a famous yogi in India, actually we 
> had the discussion about one of his successors recently here, Shiva Bala 
> Yogi, who spend 12 years as a boy in continuous Samadhi. I went to the ashram 
> at the wrong time, so couldn't see him, but had an extraordinary meditation 
> at some office room. When I went out, I ask a child if the Swami was in 
> Samadhi, meaning it in the sense of a spiritual absorption. The child laughed 
> and said, no, no the swami is very much alive, I have just seen him 
> yesterday. So the child thought I had meant the Swami was dead. Ironically, 
> he died the following year not being too old.
>
> Maybe the term has something to do with Maha-Samadhi. Jeeva Samadhi is 
> actually more like what you have been thinking of: A saint / Yogi goes into 
> Samadhi, voluntarily stops his life functions and gets buried. I was once at 
> a place of an Avadhut, one of those 'crazy' saints, fairly crazy I would say, 
> and he had, in the middle of his house, dug out a big hole, where he would 
> later take Jeeva Samadhi. The hole is still there. A Jal samadhi is when the 
> body is immersed in water. There was a yogi at Tiruvannamalai, who sat in 
> samadhi, while a flood surprised him and took his life. Now that's called Jal 
> Samadhi,the place is still there in the form of a little water tank inside an 
> ashram. When the sarcophagus of Guru Dev was immersed in the Ganges it is 
> also called Jal Samadhi. I think that was what they might have wanted for 
> Maharishi.
>

Back in the late 1970s there was a paperback novel called "Gates of 
Fire" that talked about some of the burial rituals.  The author Elwyn 
Chamberlain had taught English in India so drew in some of the 
traditions in the novel.  That's where I first heard of these different 
types of burials.  It may have been optioned for a movie that never got 
made.

http://books.google.com/books/about/Gates_of_Fire.html?id=7HQzVsm0ppoC

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?

[Bhairitu]

On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> You mean the monsoon season?  Today in California it was winter
>> overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in
>> the evening. :-D
>>
>> I found the tape.  I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections
>> and EQ it better.
>>
>> "Om Rama Krisna Hari" is for pitta but may also be tridoshic.
> Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, 
> like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it 
> purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long 
> time ago)

A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and 
their names create the effect.  I recall the goal in ayurveda was to 
function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to 
your constitution (prakrati).

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc

[doctordumbass]

Its just a genetic thing, I think, though my meditation and always being very 
active helped. Yeah, my dad also pecked (and managed to avoid computers 
altogether).:-) 

My career involved technical training, primarily focused on curriculum design 
and development, in tech, and industrial environments. Did mostly management, 
and consulting too. 

Enjoyed the people, and the complex technologies I learned (satellite ground 
stations and tuning, datacomm protocols, network security, virtual machines, 
gas distribution safety and maintenance, and industrial lasers), but *no* plans 
to return.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> PS: Great about your heart rate! Mine seems to stay high, in the 70s and 80s 
> even at rest. I wonder if that is because of all the simulants I took 
> recreationally and later for medicinal purposes. I just hope my ticker has 
> lots of ticks left...at least until I can thruhike the Appalachian Trail. ;)
> 
> My hubby and son peck when they type.
> 
> If you don't mind me asking, what has been your career in writing?
> 
> *
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > I'd enjoy hearing that if you care to share it. I flashed through the link 
> > to HeartMath, and there is some great stuff in there, will return for a 
> > larger meal later - liked the change in perspective, from the traditional 
> > approach, brain impulses influencing the heart, to the heart's influence, 
> > comprehensively affecting even our immediate environment.
> > 
> > Also liked the charts comparing different emotional states with micro 
> > changes in heart voltage and regularity. I have a slow pulse - normal 
> > resting pulse is about 50 bpm, and has gone down slowly over the years.
> > 
> > Hope that you recover quickly and completely from your surgery, and they 
> > are giving you lots of pain medication. I am always a baby when it comes to 
> > post operative pain (especially dental), and make sure I get strong meds. 
> > 
> > I don't have any carpal tunnel symptoms, possibly because I never learned 
> > to touch type - Thank God computers were invented! I've hunted and pecked 
> > my way through an entire career, focused on writing.  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's one link to HeartMath.
> > > http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html
> > > 
> > > There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work 
> > > in the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at 
> > > Borders intuitively perusing for my next book to read.
> > > 
> > > Take heart! ;)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the 
> > > > Institute of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the 
> > > > heart overflows sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp 
> > > > intellect must organize something. The book sounds cool too.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Doc. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > What you state makes sense to me. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of 
> > > > > HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but 
> > > > > how our hearts actually help us make decisions.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul 
> > > > > Pearsall. One of those books is "The Heart's Code." Reading the 
> > > > > accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is 
> > > > > fascinating.
> > > > > **
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it 
> > > > > > is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all 
> > > > > > that exists."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate 
> > > > > > purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do 
> > > > > > this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with 
> > > > > > ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and 
> > > > > > the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely 
> > > > > > spinning, or getting lost in fantasies.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller 
> > > > > > life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to 
> > > > > > witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill 
> > > > > > life's purpose for each 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of
> > > dizzyness, maybe cognitive functions being affected.
> > > IOW, WTF are you two guys talking about?! Steve, am
> > > I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene? I
> > > realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts
> > > from you and Buck are sailing right over my spinning
> > > noggin. Thank you both for any and all mercy shown
> > > to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> >
> > Share, have you not seen the final scene in the 2011
> > making of Moby Dick?  The one where the whale is
> > rotating and you see Ahab strapped and tethered to the
> > whale underwater?  Looks lot like Bevan strapped to
> > the TM movement.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKKlA1rtzQ8 
> 
> 
> Now you've got to explain a joke to me. Which is supposed
> to be which? Is Bevan supposed to be Ahab, or Moby Dick?

Well, metaphorically it could be worked either way.  I would be afraid to say 
which.  


> Seems to me he's more great white whale-like than the
> TMO these days. :-)
> 
>  
> [https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/69670_5881253845\
> 50252_1439624177_n.jpg]
> 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult
> abuse work
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > > >
> > > > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale;
> to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for
> hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all
> hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then
> tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou
> damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"
> > >
> > > Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> > > Om,
> > > pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> > >
> > > > >
> http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-les\
> s-intense-than-expected/52004.html
>  ss-intense-than-expected/52004.html>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[merudanda]

oh
BTW
your non-contemporary-coming-to-mind-link has his voyeuristic-"ally'
moments, too


-
AT about  0:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=La70eV1mTe0#t=2\
5s


-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" 
wrote:
>
> Makes no sense at all.  I just liked the phrase, "Let the healing
begin, and that is what came to mind.  I guess that happens when you are
tired.  To be more more contemporary.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dEqVy66HW8
>
> Don't know what my excuse is for this one.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> >
> > dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of dizzyness, maybe
cognitive functions being affected.  IOW, WTF are you two guys
talking about?!  Steve, am I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot
scene?  I realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts from
you and Buck are sailing right over my spinning noggin.  Thank you
both for any and all mercy shown to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult
abuse work
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale;
to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for
hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all
hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then
tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou
damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> > Om,
> > pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> >
> > > >
http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-les\
s-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Steve was The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Share Long]

Oh!  You mean as in Let the games begin!  laughing Well, you're tired and I'm 
dizzy.  What can we expect communication wise? (-:
I've been thinking too how different people have different senses of humor.  
And my sense of humor can vary from day to day.  Some days it's more lively and 
other days not so much.  Lately I've been worried about the dizzyness and 
preoccupied about what to do about it.  

Plus look what happened?!  I said WTF!  I think the dizzyness is causing 
turrets!  Anyway, Buck makes me laugh when he sounds like a fire and brimstone 
preacher.  And you teach me so much about being kind.  So I felt safe and took 
it out on you guys.  Sorre!

Plus I still don't know if Buck really dug out someone's car for me (-:


The sun just came out.  Yay!



 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 7:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
 

  
Makes no sense at all.  I just liked the phrase, "Let the healing begin, and 
that is what came to mind.  I guess that happens when you are tired.  To be 
more more contemporary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dEqVy66HW8

Don't know what my excuse is for this one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of dizzyness, maybe 
> cognitive functions being affected.  IOW, WTF are you two guys talking 
> about?!  Steve, am I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene?  I 
> realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts from you and Buck are 
> sailing right over my spinning noggin.  Thank you both for any and all mercy 
> shown to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse 
> work
> 
> 
>   
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the 
> > last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake 
> > I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one 
> > common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, 
> > while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I 
> > give up the spear!"
> > 
> >
> 
> Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> Om, 
> pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> 
> > > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] The Sequester Happened

[John]

Obama still has until midnight to sign the order to cut the government spending 
for this year.  He's wanting to postpone law for further negotiations.  But 
there appears to be no deal for now.  So here are the effects of the sequester:

http://news.yahoo.com/6-questions-answers-sequester-075134189.html

The market went down a bit today.  So, there's some uncertainty as to how the 
economy will react to this law.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc

[Carol]

PS: Great about your heart rate! Mine seems to stay high, in the 70s and 80s 
even at rest. I wonder if that is because of all the simulants I took 
recreationally and later for medicinal purposes. I just hope my ticker has lots 
of ticks left...at least until I can thruhike the Appalachian Trail. ;)

My hubby and son peck when they type.

If you don't mind me asking, what has been your career in writing?

*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> I'd enjoy hearing that if you care to share it. I flashed through the link to 
> HeartMath, and there is some great stuff in there, will return for a larger 
> meal later - liked the change in perspective, from the traditional approach, 
> brain impulses influencing the heart, to the heart's influence, 
> comprehensively affecting even our immediate environment.
> 
> Also liked the charts comparing different emotional states with micro changes 
> in heart voltage and regularity. I have a slow pulse - normal resting pulse 
> is about 50 bpm, and has gone down slowly over the years.
> 
> Hope that you recover quickly and completely from your surgery, and they are 
> giving you lots of pain medication. I am always a baby when it comes to post 
> operative pain (especially dental), and make sure I get strong meds. 
> 
> I don't have any carpal tunnel symptoms, possibly because I never learned to 
> touch type - Thank God computers were invented! I've hunted and pecked my way 
> through an entire career, focused on writing.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > Here's one link to HeartMath.
> > http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html
> > 
> > There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work in 
> > the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at Borders 
> > intuitively perusing for my next book to read.
> > 
> > Take heart! ;)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute 
> > > of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows 
> > > sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize 
> > > something. The book sounds cool too.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Doc. 
> > > > 
> > > > What you state makes sense to me. 
> > > > 
> > > > Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective.
> > > > 
> > > > I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of 
> > > > HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how 
> > > > our hearts actually help us make decisions.
> > > > 
> > > > Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul 
> > > > Pearsall. One of those books is "The Heart's Code." Reading the 
> > > > accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is 
> > > > fascinating.
> > > > **
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is 
> > > > > the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that 
> > > > > exists."
> > > > > 
> > > > > *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!
> > > > > 
> > > > > To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose 
> > > > > of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this 
> > > > > efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and 
> > > > > our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the 
> > > > > discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely 
> > > > > spinning, or getting lost in fantasies.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life 
> > > > > than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to 
> > > > > witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill 
> > > > > life's purpose for each of us. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring 
> > > > > > otherwise. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point 
> > > > > > is there is no point?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. )
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us 
> > > > > > from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking 
> > > > > > ourselves to be able to experience eternity).  Eternity abides at 
> > > > > > all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of 
> > > > > > who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Oddly enough, a scripture

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[Carol]

Share stated: "[...] the glass is all full.  It's half full of water and half 
full of air. [...]" 

I like that! Hadn't thought of it that way. *thumbsup*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Another perspective:  the glass is all full.  It's half full of water and 
> half full of air.  Feng shui!  Anyway, thanks seekliberation I like the 
> practical points you make.  I'd like my parents to have long, happy lives.  
> But having seen my step Dad linger miserably for years, I'd rather my parents 
> have short, happy lives than long, miserable ones.  Same for me.  And 
> FFLers too.  And by happy I don't mean blissninniehood.  Even the article 
> began with the descriptor "overly optimistic."  Remember turq, Maharishi 
> explains that bliss is not always blissful.  Thanks for the article.  It'll 
> be fascinating to see how the Positive Psychology gang responds.    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: seekliberation 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 6:18 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies
>  
> 
>   
> It makes sense to me when I read the article.  But I also think there is a 
> fine line between those who look at the glass as half empty, and those who 
> just sit around in a state of misery and do nothing to increase what's in the 
> glass. 
> 
> So I guess it's not as simple as 'half-empty, half-full'.  It's more complex 
> than that.  I guess it may be more like this:
> 
> 1.  The glass is half full, so i'll just sit on my ass for now. 
> 2.  The glass is half full, so i'll save it for later.
> 3.  The glass is half empty, so I better start filling it up now. 
> 4.  The glass is half empty, therefore life sucks.
> 
> I would say that #2 & #3 are a healthy approach.  So it's not just that 
> pessimism is better, it's that DOING something to improve your situation is 
> superior to relaxing and assuming that everything is going to work out just 
> fine.  And it's the pessimist who will percieve the need for action more so 
> than the optimist.  A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that 
> painfully now. 
> 
> seekliberation
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > The pessimists you rag on will outlive you. 
> > 
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/pessimists-live-longer-lives-study_n_2781598.html
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of
> > dizzyness, maybe cognitive functions being affected.
> > IOW, WTF are you two guys talking about?! Steve, am
> > I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene? I
> > realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts
> > from you and Buck are sailing right over my spinning
> > noggin. Thank you both for any and all mercy shown
> > to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
>
> Share, have you not seen the final scene in the 2011
> making of Moby Dick?  The one where the whale is
> rotating and you see Ahab strapped and tethered to the
> whale underwater?  Looks lot like Bevan strapped to
> the TM movement.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKKlA1rtzQ8 


Now you've got to explain a joke to me. Which is supposed
to be which? Is Bevan supposed to be Ahab, or Moby Dick?
Seems to me he's more great white whale-like than the
TMO these days. :-)

 
[https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/69670_5881253845\
50252_1439624177_n.jpg]

> > 
> >  From: Buck
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult
abuse work
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > >
> > > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale;
to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for
hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all
hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then
tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou
damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"
> >
> > Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> > Om,
> > pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> >
> > > >
http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-les\
s-intense-than-expected/52004.html

> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[seventhray27]

Makes no sense at all.  I just liked the phrase, "Let the healing begin, and 
that is what came to mind.  I guess that happens when you are tired.  To be 
more more contemporary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dEqVy66HW8

Don't know what my excuse is for this one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of dizzyness, maybe 
> cognitive functions being affected.  IOW, WTF are you two guys talking 
> about?!  Steve, am I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene?  I 
> realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts from you and Buck are 
> sailing right over my spinning noggin.  Thank you both for any and all mercy 
> shown to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse 
> work
>  
> 
>   
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the 
> > last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake 
> > I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one 
> > common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, 
> > while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I 
> > give up the spear!"
> > 
> >
> 
> Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> Om, 
> pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> 
> > > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of dizzyness, maybe 
> cognitive functions being affected.  IOW, WTF are you two guys talking 
> about?!  Steve, am I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene?  I 
> realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts from you and Buck are 
> sailing right over my spinning noggin.  Thank you both for any and all mercy 
> shown to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> 
>

Share, have you not seen the final scene in the 2011 making of Moby Dick?  The 
one where the whale is rotating and you see Ahab strapped and tethered to the 
whale underwater?  Looks lot like Bevan strapped to the TM movement. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKKlA1rtzQ8 

> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse 
> work
>  
> 
>   
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the 
> > last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake 
> > I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one 
> > common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, 
> > while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I 
> > give up the spear!"
> > 
> >
> 
> Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> Om, 
> pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> 
> > > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of dizzyness, maybe 
> cognitive functions being affected.  IOW, WTF are you two guys talking 
> about?!  Steve, am I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene?  I 
> realize it's no fun to explain a joke but these posts from you and Buck are 
> sailing right over my spinning noggin.  Thank you both for any and all mercy 
> shown to Ms. Vertigo here (-:
> 
>

Share, have you not seen the final scene in the 2011 making of 
Mobey Dick?  The one where the whale is rotating and you see Ahab strapped and 
tethered to the whale underwater?  Looks lot like Bevan strapped to the TM 
movement. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKKlA1rtzQ8 

> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse 
> work
>  
> 
>   
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the 
> > last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake 
> > I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one 
> > common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, 
> > while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I 
> > give up the spear!"
> > 
> >
> 
> Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
> Om, 
> pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
> 
> > > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?

[seventhray27]

Wow.  Learning something new today.  I don't have time to consider all
the implications, but suddenly I'm wondering about the burial  places of
many of the Indian Saints.  The Wiki article certainly mentions some
interesting points.  The idea that the body of the saint never decays,
being one of them.

At least Yogananda was willing to put that to the test to some extent.

Yogananda and Vivekenanda.  I've never quite gotten over either of them,
and perhaps never will.  Same goes for Ramakrishna, but with the other
two, they were more accessable western-wise, and maybe why I feel
especially close to them.

One thing I have gotten from reading your posts here, and also from
others, is just how many enlightened teachers there are in India. 
Assuming one believes in the concept.  There, the whole ashram
experience seems much less formal for the most part.  Maybe we in the
west want more of a high profile teacher, or at least one that speaks
english.  That could be a deterent for westerners.

But thanks for the explanation about the different samadhis as they
pertain to death.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > snip
> >
> > The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be
burried,
> > and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though
> > supportive of the movement did not allow.
> >
> > Real Samadhi? By being buried. How does that work exactly?
>
> Haha, funny, well there is also Jeeva Samadhi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeva_Samadhi or Jala Samadhi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nZE0E4ckc No, I'm confusing you.
>
> In this case Samadhi simply denotes the grave of a yogi or saint.
Usually Hindus are cremated, but saints, Sadhus, Swamis are buried.
>
> Funny story here: I was at the ashram of a famous yogi in India,
actually we had the discussion about one of his successors recently
here, Shiva Bala Yogi, who spend 12 years as a boy in continuous
Samadhi. I went to the ashram at the wrong time, so couldn't see him,
but had an extraordinary meditation at some office room. When I went
out, I ask a child if the Swami was in Samadhi, meaning it in the sense
of a spiritual absorption. The child laughed and said, no, no the swami
is very much alive, I have just seen him yesterday. So the child thought
I had meant the Swami was dead. Ironically, he died the following year
not being too old.
>
> Maybe the term has something to do with Maha-Samadhi. Jeeva Samadhi is
actually more like what you have been thinking of: A saint / Yogi goes
into Samadhi, voluntarily stops his life functions and gets buried. I
was once at a place of an Avadhut, one of those 'crazy' saints, fairly
crazy I would say, and he had, in the middle of his house, dug out a big
hole, where he would later take Jeeva Samadhi. The hole is still there.
A Jal samadhi is when the body is immersed in water. There was a yogi at
Tiruvannamalai, who sat in samadhi, while a flood surprised him and took
his life. Now that's called Jal Samadhi,the place is still there in the
form of a little water tank inside an ashram. When the sarcophagus of
Guru Dev was immersed in the Ganges it is also called Jal Samadhi. I
think that was what they might have wanted for Maharishi.
>
> > >
> > > The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the
caste
> > system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste
> > system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it
would
> > simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper
> > pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is
not
> > sectarian or cultic.
> > >
> > > For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic
Mantra
> > and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it.
> > There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Nava,
> > > > > Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival
of
> > Knowledge has saved India from `Om". I have been lectured several
times
> > on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite
> > convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on
the
> > TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri
Vidya
> > and everyone else going back use "Om" to initiate or energized
mantras.
> > Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer
on
> > this in the distribution of sages on mantras.
> > > > > I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and
then go
> > from there. But that is different from TM and should not be con

[FairfieldLife] New Day

[Buck]

Morning Slokas for Children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAVZx8Q7Obw

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Share Long]

dear Steve and Buck, so sorry, still having lots of dizzyness, maybe cognitive 
functions being affected.  IOW, WTF are you two guys talking about?!  Steve, am 
I being dense about the Ben Hur chariot scene?  I realize it's no fun to 
explain a joke but these posts from you and Buck are sailing right over my 
spinning noggin.  Thank you both for any and all mercy shown to Ms. Vertigo 
here (-:





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 12:51 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
 

  

>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> >
> 
> 
> "Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last 
> I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit 
> my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! 
> and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing 
> thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"
> 
>

Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz?
Om, 
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

> > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[Share Long]

Another perspective:  the glass is all full.  It's half full of water and half 
full of air.  Feng shui!  Anyway, thanks seekliberation I like the practical 
points you make.  I'd like my parents to have long, happy lives.  But having 
seen my step Dad linger miserably for years, I'd rather my parents have short, 
happy lives than long, miserable ones.  Same for me.  And FFLers too.  And by 
happy I don't mean blissninniehood.  Even the article began with the descriptor 
"overly optimistic."  Remember turq, Maharishi explains that bliss is not 
always blissful.  Thanks for the article.  It'll be fascinating to see how the 
Positive Psychology gang responds.    





 From: seekliberation 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 6:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies
 

  
It makes sense to me when I read the article.  But I also think there is a fine 
line between those who look at the glass as half empty, and those who just sit 
around in a state of misery and do nothing to increase what's in the glass. 

So I guess it's not as simple as 'half-empty, half-full'.  It's more complex 
than that.  I guess it may be more like this:

1.  The glass is half full, so i'll just sit on my ass for now. 
2.  The glass is half full, so i'll save it for later.
3.  The glass is half empty, so I better start filling it up now. 
4.  The glass is half empty, therefore life sucks.

I would say that #2 & #3 are a healthy approach.  So it's not just that 
pessimism is better, it's that DOING something to improve your situation is 
superior to relaxing and assuming that everything is going to work out just 
fine.  And it's the pessimist who will percieve the need for action more so 
than the optimist.  A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that 
painfully now. 

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> The pessimists you rag on will outlive you. 
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/pessimists-live-longer-lives-study_n_2781598.html
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work

[Share Long]

turq is already under the care of 2 top notch healers, Pippin and Paris.  
Besides I wouldn't want to descend to heretofore unexplored levels of 
spammishness (-:





 From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > "It could have been worse," interpreted as pleasure.
> > > 
> > > http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
> > 
> > To explain my thinking here, for those who never became TM
> > teachers or, for that matter, never met Maharishi or got 
> > close enough to the TMO to figure out how things worked, 
> > here's the connection I see between this research and the 
> > way things work in cults.
> > 
> > First, the connection to child abuse/spousal abuse: "Wow, 
> > that wasn't so bad. He only gave me a black eye and broke
> > my wrist. I was expecting him to kill me this time. Guess 
> > my life isn't so bad after all."
> > 
> > And in cult environments, see if any of these scenarios 
> > sound at all familiar:
> > 
> > "Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting to tell us that 
> > the world was on the edge of total destruction, I thought
> > that it really was the end of the world. But then he explained
> > that everything would be all right if I just contributed more
> > money to the pundit project and bounced on my butt twice a
> > day as I'm supposed to." 
> > 
> > "Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting about what it takes
> > to still be considered a TM teacher, I thought it was game
> > over, man, and that I'd be excommunicated and cut off from
> > the Highest Path for the rest of this life, and all subse-
> > quent lives. Whew...all I have to do to still be part of
> > the highest teaching is to give up my job, pay the same amount
> > of money I originally paid to become a TM teacher all over 
> > again, and commit to teaching TM full time for the rest of 
> > my life. What a relief."
> > 
> > "Wow, when those folks at the dome told me that I was persona
> > non grata and that they couldn't give me a dome badge because
> > I'd seen Saint Blissananda a few years ago, I thought that was
> > the end of it all for me. But then they explained that if I
> > just publicly repented of my sins and promised never to do
> > anything as stupid as think for myself again I could still 
> > be one of the Most Important People On Earth. Whew." 
> > 
> > "Whew. I thought that Maharishi was going to blame US for the
> > state of the world, as he's done so many times before. But
> > thank the gods, it's really the fault of those low-vibe people
> > in Scorpion Nation."
> 
> Come ON someone, react please. Barry has just tried to push all
> the buttons he could find to get somebody to pay attention to him.
> I'm not interested enough in this subject to react but I have done
> my part by at least acknowledging his post. Anyone?
>

Maybe Share can provide Barry an endless list of healers so he can spend the 
rest of his life trying to heal the tremendous trauma inflicted on him by the 
TMO, all those decades ago. Such a burden carrying that around, crying out in 
pain on any Internet forum where people will listen. Let the healing begin!


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weepy Wednesday to David

[Share Long]

love, D

er, thank you, I guess...do we know each other?!



 From: David 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weepy Wednesday
 

  
yes  indeed tears!
love,
D

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> because this little story brought tears to my eyes
> 
> 
> http://www.wimp.com/gloryshot/
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for blissninnies

[seekliberation]

It makes sense to me when I read the article.  But I also think there is a fine 
line between those who look at the glass as half empty, and those who just sit 
around in a state of misery and do nothing to increase what's in the glass. 

So I guess it's not as simple as 'half-empty, half-full'.  It's more complex 
than that.  I guess it may be more like this:

1.  The glass is half full, so i'll just sit on my ass for now.  
2.  The glass is half full, so i'll save it for later.
3.  The glass is half empty, so I better start filling it up now.  
4.  The glass is half empty, therefore life sucks.

I would say that #2 & #3 are a healthy approach.  So it's not just that 
pessimism is better, it's that DOING something to improve your situation is 
superior to relaxing and assuming that everything is going to work out just 
fine.  And it's the pessimist who will percieve the need for action more so 
than the optimist.  A lot of hippies and babyboomers are learning that 
painfully now.  

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> The pessimists you rag on will outlive you. 
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/pessimists-live-longer-lives-study_n_2781598.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> You mean the monsoon season?  Today in California it was winter 
> overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in 
> the evening. :-D
> 
> I found the tape.  I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections 
> and EQ it better.
> 
> "Om Rama Krisna Hari" is for pitta but may also be tridoshic.

Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, like 
Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it purely 
phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long time ago)


> On 02/28/2013 01:07 PM, Share Long wrote:
> > When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna 
> > hit like a ton of bricks.  I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 
> > 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >   From: Bhairitu 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
> >   
> >
> >
> > I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri
> > Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though
> > Ram is favored.
> >
> > On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote:
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@  wrote:
> >>> the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been 
> >>> emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati.
> >> No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and 
> >> orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas 
> >> could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the 
> >> passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that 
> >> Xeno uploaded to the files.  Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is 
> >> not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are 
> >> less conservative and advocate it.
> >>
> >>> There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... " Shree 
> >>> Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many.
> >> Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they 
> >> would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed 
> >> by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to 
> >> which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox 
> >> orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that 
> >> Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body 
> >> was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have 
> >> wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current 
> >> Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow.
> >>
> >> The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste 
> >> system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, 
> >> I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify 
> >> things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it 
> >> is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic.
> >>
> >> For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and 
> >> associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are 
> >> Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples.
> >>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> 
>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM.
>  Dear Nava,
>  Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of 
>  Knowledge has saved India from `Om".  I have been lectured several times 
>  on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite 
>  convinced.  You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the 
>  TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra.  Though Shri Vidya 
>  and everyone else going back use "Om" to initiate or energized mantras.  
>  Is TM missing something?  Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on 
>  this in the distribution of sages on mantras.
>  I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from 
>  there.  But that is different from TM and should not be confused even 
>  though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the 
>  TM-sidhis.  But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or 
>  much of anything else.
>  Best Regards from Fairfield,
>  -Buck
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >>
> >> navashok:
> >>> Where does the TM technique come from?
> >>>
> >>   From India and the Vedas? LoL!
> >>
> >> According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic
> >> Yo

[FairfieldLife] Bad news for blissninnies

[turquoiseb]

The pessimists you rag on will outlive you. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/pessimists-live-longer-lives-study_n_2781598.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: First Photo of Alien Planet

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> This is great science and engineering work.  The next feat should be to see 
> the cloud tops of these alien planets.
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/1st-photo-alien-planet-forming-snapped-telescope-153016924.html
>
"So far, planet formation has mostly been a topic tackled by computer 
simulations," astronomer Sascha Quanz of ETH Zurich in Switzerland, leader of 
the research team, said in a statement. "If our discovery is indeed a forming 
planet, then for the first time scientists will be able to study the planet 
formation process and the interaction of a forming planet and its natal 
environment empirically at a very early stage."

I think the scientists have to just sit behind the telescope and patiently wait 
to see how the planet evolves.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selincro!

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> If you were an alcoholic, would you take this:

Severe alcoholics would probably be willing to try almost anything
that could help rid them of their dependency, but as with any other
opiod antagonist, the issue is whether you are trading one dependency
for another. For example, there are literally millions of people now
physically addicted to a similar opiod compound marketed for pain
relief, and called oxycodone or OxyContin. My concern would be that
there will be discovered bad drug interactions between this drug and
existing opiod medications that are already far too common.

On the Wikipedia page for nalmefene, they actually admit this, saying,
"As with other drugs of this type, nalmefene can precipitate acute
withdrawal symptoms in patients who are dependent on opioid drugs,
or  more rarely when used post-operatively to counteract the effects of
strong opioids used in surgery." Known side effects include:

* Common: drowsiness  ,
hypertension  , tachycardia
 , dizziness
 , nausea
 , vomiting

* Occasional: fever  ,
hypotension  , vasodilatation
 , chills
 , headache

* Rare: agitation, arrhythmia
 , bradycardia
 , confusion
 , hallucinations
 , myoclonus
 , itching
 

One of my favorite drug watchdog sites (which actually is more of a
media watchdog site, commenting on Bad Reporting of medical news)
has one review of reporting on the use of nalmefene to combat addiction
to gambling:

http://www.healthnewsreview.org/review/28/


As with any new drug rushed to market or, as with this one, remarketed
to find potential new uses for it, the problems (if they exist) will be
found
in the fact that there are no long-term studies of the drug's effects.
The
drug has been criticized by "hard" treaters of alcoholism because it
doesn't require or cause total abstinence from alcohol, which the hard-
liners feel is required.

Naturally, its effectiveness would also be hampered in a non-clinical
setting by its very "take two hours before you feel like drinking"
instruc-
tions. That's like telling teenagers to put their condoms on two hours
before they have sex to prevent pregnancy. The result would be that
people would take more of the medication than recommended, adding
to the possibility of deleterious side effects.

Finally, although the citation you quote comes from a financial news
release, the focus on money and how much of it there is to be made
should indicate something about the nature of those who developed
the drug.

Just my two centimes...

> ABOUT SELINCRO (nalmefene):
>
> Selincro is indicated for the reduction of alcohol consumption in
adult patients
> with alcohol dependence who have a high drinking risk level (>60 g/day
for men,
> 40 g/day for women) without physical withdrawal symptoms and who do
not require
> immediate detoxification. Selincro should be prescribed in conjunction
with
> continuous psychosocial support focused on treatment adherence and the
reduction
> of alcohol consumption. Treatment should be initiated only in patients
who
> continue to have a high drinking risk level two weeks after an initial
> assessment. Selincro is to be taken as-needed; that is, on each day
the patient
> perceives a risk of drinking alcohol, one tablet should be taken,
preferably
> 1-2 hours prior to the anticipated time of drinking.
>
> Biotie has licensed global rights to Selincroto Lundbeck. Under the
terms of the
> agreement, Biotie is eligible for up to EUR 89 million in upfront and
milestone
> payments plus royalties on sales of Selincro. Biotie has previously
received EUR
> 12 million of such milestone payments from Lundbeck. Further milestone
payments
> are expected on commercial launch of Selincro and on the product
potentially
> reaching certain predetermined sales. Lundbeck is responsible for the
> registration, manufacturing and marketing of the product.
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/abuucn7

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> snip
> 
>   The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried,
> and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though
> supportive of the movement did not allow.
> 
> Real Samadhi? By being buried.  How does that work exactly?

Haha, funny, well there is also Jeeva Samadhi. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeva_Samadhi or Jala Samadhi 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nZE0E4ckc No, I'm confusing you. 

In this case Samadhi simply denotes the grave of a yogi or saint. Usually 
Hindus are cremated, but saints, Sadhus, Swamis are buried. 

Funny story here: I was at the ashram of a famous yogi in India, actually we 
had the discussion about one of his successors recently here, Shiva Bala Yogi, 
who spend 12 years as a boy in continuous Samadhi. I went to the ashram at the 
wrong time, so couldn't see him, but had an extraordinary meditation at some 
office room. When I went out, I ask a child if the Swami was in Samadhi, 
meaning it in the sense of a spiritual absorption. The child laughed and said, 
no, no the swami is very much alive, I have just seen him yesterday. So the 
child thought I had meant the Swami was dead. Ironically, he died the following 
year not being too old. 

Maybe the term has something to do with Maha-Samadhi. Jeeva Samadhi is actually 
more like what you have been thinking of: A saint / Yogi goes into Samadhi, 
voluntarily stops his life functions and gets buried. I was once at a place of 
an Avadhut, one of those 'crazy' saints, fairly crazy I would say, and he had, 
in the middle of his house, dug out a big hole, where he would later take Jeeva 
Samadhi. The hole is still there. A Jal samadhi is when the body is immersed in 
water. There was a yogi at Tiruvannamalai, who sat in samadhi, while a flood 
surprised him and took his life. Now that's called Jal Samadhi,the place is 
still there in the form of a little water tank inside an ashram. When the 
sarcophagus of Guru Dev was immersed in the Ganges it is also called Jal 
Samadhi. I think that was what they might have wanted for Maharishi.

> >
> > The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste
> system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste
> system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would
> simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper
> pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not
> sectarian or cultic.
> >
> > For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra
> and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it.
> There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples.
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM.
> > > >
> > > > Dear Nava,
> > > > Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of
> Knowledge has saved India from `Om". I have been lectured several times
> on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite
> convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the
> TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya
> and everyone else going back use "Om" to initiate or energized mantras.
> Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on
> this in the distribution of sages on mantras.
> > > > I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go
> from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused
> even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of
> the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or
> much of anything else.
> > > > Best Regards from Fairfield,
> > > > -Buck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
>  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > navashok:
> > > > > > > Where does the TM technique come from?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > From India and the Vedas? LoL!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic
> > > > > > Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and
> > > > > > other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other
> > > > > > Indo-European people, "Yoga is to be found only in India
> > > > > > and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality" (102).
> > > > >
> > > > > I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM.
> What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric
> tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri
> Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Work cited:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'Yoga : Immortality and Fr

[FairfieldLife] Selincro!

[card]

I you were an alcoholic, would you take this:


ABOUT SELINCRO (nalmefene):

Selincro is indicated for the reduction of alcohol consumption in adult patients
with alcohol dependence who have a high drinking risk level (>60 g/day for men,
>40 g/day for women) without physical withdrawal symptoms and who do not require
immediate detoxification. Selincro should be prescribed in conjunction with
continuous psychosocial support focused on treatment adherence and the reduction
of alcohol consumption. Treatment should be initiated only in patients who
continue to have a high drinking risk level two weeks after an initial
assessment. Selincro is to be taken as-needed; that is, on each day the patient
perceives a risk of drinking alcohol, one tablet should be taken, preferably
1-2 hours prior to the anticipated time of drinking.

Biotie has licensed global rights to Selincroto Lundbeck. Under the terms of the
agreement, Biotie is eligible for up to EUR 89 million in upfront and milestone
payments plus royalties on sales of Selincro. Biotie has previously received EUR
12 million of such milestone payments from Lundbeck. Further milestone payments
are expected on commercial launch of Selincro and on the product potentially
reaching certain predetermined sales. Lundbeck is responsible for the
registration, manufacturing and marketing of the product.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/abuucn7