Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[Ravi Chivukula]

Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno - no
one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee.

Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs
because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone can
say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's
approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally fantasized
diatribe but it's cute and hilarious.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius <
anartax...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 
> wrote:
> >
> > So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go
> through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to
> respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due
> time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He
> chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first
> place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please
> try to remember...
> >
> I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter
> access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula
> Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail
> Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to
> drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction.
> Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely
> tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most
> thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.
>
> Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis,
> that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and
> most Humble power.
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Me start TM again - surely you jest

Yes MJ, I do jest. 

 >- as to my compliments to Barry - I don't really know anyone here on FFL but 
 >I do like his experience with the TMO and his willingness to share it, and 
 >some of the things he writes have assisted me in my own process and he is a 
 >good writer, able to think cogently and express it through his writing

And I say it is all a process, for all of us (figuring out this life and our 
individual place in it) and you can find value in whatever and whoever you 
choose to. It is just that my experience of Barry is different than yours. I 
have stated how I feel, I think you get it, so I will leave it at that.



> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads 
> > - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy 
> > regardless of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on 
> > FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to 
> > time.
> 
> And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That 
> is fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will 
> last only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start 
> TM again. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - 
> > "The New Movement" - Buck
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> > this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. 
> > They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, 
> > and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> > 
> > No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> > his golden oldies.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > > 
> > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > said it 10 times before here:
> > > 
> > > 2/4/13
> > > 
> > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2/8/11
> > > 
> > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > his fictional case, literally).
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2/15/10
> > > 
> > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > could realize it.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 9/3/09
> > > 
> > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > has always already been present.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 4/29/08
> > > 
> > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 6/30/07
> > > 
> > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > tive technologies" as the Dumb

Re: [FairfieldLife] jazzy bach

[Emily Reyn]

Very cool.  Thanks card.  



>
> From: card 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:53 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] jazzy bach
> 
>
>  
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x6jzKpqeuw
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

Me start TM again - surely you jest - as to my compliments to Barry - I don't 
really know anyone here on FFL but I do like his experience with the TMO and 
his willingness to share it, and some of the things he writes have assisted me 
in my own process and he is a good writer, able to think cogently and express 
it through his writing





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - 
> I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless 
> of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike 
> Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.

And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is 
fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last 
only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM 
again. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
> 
> 
>   
> Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They 
> very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the 
> need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> 
> No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> his golden oldies.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> > 
> > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > as moodmaking.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
(snip)
> It may be a good analogy the first time you hear it (not
> original with him, as he mentions in one of the posts I
> listed),

In one of the posts from which I quoted, that should be.
I didn't quote the part where he attributes it to someone
else.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what
> is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry -
> it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone
> else thinks -

It may be a good analogy the first time you hear it (not
original with him, as he mentions in one of the posts I
listed), but it begins to lose its charm after many
repetitions (especially when he tends to write about it
each time as if he'd just come up with it).

> I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz
> he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.

There's a lot more to it than that. Let's just say we
know him a whole lot better than you do.

BTW, I don't think anyone said you were trying to insult
or criticize him. It was clear you were complimenting
him. And of course you had no idea how stale his post was.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - 
> I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless 
> of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike 
> Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.

And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is 
fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last 
only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM 
again. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They 
> very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the 
> need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> 
> No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> his golden oldies.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> > 
> > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > as moodmaking.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > 
> > 
> > 10/30/06
> > 
> > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > always been available to him.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > 
> > 
> > 5/8/06
> > 
> > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > the "magic feath

Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders]

[Michael Jackson]

that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know 
that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
organization.





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
Cheerleaders]
 

  
Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is that 
I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer 
participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing against 
something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, I don't give 
quitters a lot of credence. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long 
> > distance running, called, "hitting the wall". It means reaching a point of 
> > physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing carrying 
> > you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, that can be 
> > transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end of the journey. 
> > 
> > TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you and 
> > Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the eternal 
> > benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little longer? 
> 
> Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
> to claim to have won any argument about TM:
> 
> "You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!"
> 
> Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
> years of running through walls
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it 
> > > took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid me. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, 
> > > repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing you 
> > > haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the 
> > > practice keeps you moving. 
> > > 
> > > TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO IDEA 
> > > about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, 
> > > decades ago. 
> > > 
> > > So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about what 
> > > TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on the 
> > > sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from
> > > > > > > my point of view, falling prey to one of the most 
> > > > > > > chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were 
> > > > > > > TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique --
> > > > > > > as if it were not only true, but cosmically true,
> > > > > > > Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so 
> > > > > > > strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along
> > > > > > > without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base
> > > > > > > other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth
> > > > > > > of the assumptions was a given. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the 
> > > > > > mindset created continues way after a person actually 
> > > > > > leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your 
> > > > > > belief system will be influenced still decades after 
> > > > > > you left it - not all of the beliefs, but enough for you 
> > > > > > to still uncover it, if you are interested in it. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And if you are interested in challenging their supposed
> > > > > truth or value. In my experience, it's these "core" or
> > > > > *never challenged* beliefs that persist the longest, and
> > > > > are toughest to either recognize or challenge. Stuff like
> > > > > *assuming* that "effortless is better," or that "the only
> > > > > way to transcend is via effortlessness." People have been
> > > > > repeating that meme for so long -- in most cases *without
> > > > > ever trying a technique not based on effortlessness to 
> > > > > see if it's really true* -- that they no longer realize
> > > > > that it's a fundamental belief that underlies and sha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I 
actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of 
what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz 
he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  
Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this 
case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very 
much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need 
for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 

No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his 
golden oldies.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > times more eloquently that I do
> 
> That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> said it 10 times before here:
> 
> 2/4/13
> 
> I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> he had been capable of doing all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> 
> 
> 2/8/11
> 
> She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> his fictional case, literally).
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> 
> 
> 2/15/10
> 
> The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> could realize it.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> 
> 
> 9/3/09
> 
> The second concept on which we might differ is about
> "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> the person into realizing what is already present, and
> has always already been present.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> 
> 
> 4/29/08
> 
> In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> doing what he had been able to do all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> 
> 
> 6/30/07
> 
> Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> that's the only reason that astrology appears
> to "work."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> 
> 
> 11/24/06
> 
> I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> as moodmaking.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> 
> 
> 10/30/06
> 
> Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> always been available to him.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> 
> 
> 5/8/06
> 
> Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> fly was always present, just not realized.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> 
> 
> 3/18/06
> 
> The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> to fly.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/me

[FairfieldLife] Will neuroscience explain consciousness?

[authfriend]

Shortish blog post by a neuroscientist:

http://coronaradiata.net/2013/03/09/fire-and-consciousness-a-metaphor/

Money quote:

"...Neuroscience appears to be advancing in the battle to understand 
consciousness. We are rapidly moving towards understanding what Cristof Koch 
calls the "neural correlates of consciousness" (NCC), that is, the brain events 
that correlate with conscious states. As this work advances, correlations will 
become more precise. Rather than simply recording from a brain and recognizing 
sleep from wakefulness, or stages of sleep, we are and will be able to identify 
the type of task the conscious brain is engaged in. Slowly specifics about the 
task will emerge. The ability to determine which of two movies a subject is 
thinking about can be identified. Eventually, conceivably, via precise 
correlates, neuroscientists may be able to accurately read conscious minds. In 
a parallel train, in a manner similar to Borghish, physicians and scientists 
may be able to advance consciousness control, and steer someone's brain into 
particular patterns. Perhaps very precise states. Perhaps, very precise 
thoughts and memories.

"If this advance in technology is reached, will we be able to say that we 
understand consciousness? No. We will have precise understanding of the 
physical conditions necessary for consciousness to emerge, but the conscious 
state that we all know (and love) will remain deeply mysterious. We will know 
the recipe, not the chemistry (or physics). Whence the unity of conscious 
experience? The sense of self? The perception of agency and control? Answers 
are not clear"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4

[Michael Jackson]

Humorous and untrue - also why would I be shouting at NC people? I live south 
of them





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:54 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4
 

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> The
> Seventh Level of the Movement:
> 
> These
> are the people who have a greater degree of mental independence from the
> Movement than the Bliss Ninnys, yet they support the overall (deceitful) 
> intent
> of the Movement which is no longer personal enlightenment, no longer global
> enlightenment but rather world peace through the so-called yogic flying
> program. 
> 
> These
> are the real enablers of the Movement because I believe they outnumber the TM 
> True Believers who have no ability to discern truth from lies. The more 
> independent
> TM'ers are able to discern truth, but they give the Movement a free pass,
> either ignoring Movement lies and various enormities or, if confronted with
> overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, find excuses for the Movement behavior or
> just blatantly saying "I don't care. I like TM and I think the Movement
> does more good than bad, and I think the good the Movement does outweighs and
> justifies its excesses and lies." Which is the same excuse they used to
> justify their lack of holding Marshy accountable for his enormities. 
> 
> When
> asked what good the Movement does, the response is usually the idea that one
> day world peace will result from Movement activities or that it is good for
> people to be introduced to the idea of freedom from attachment to the fruits 
> of
> activity through meditation. 
> 
> These
> ridiculous notions ignore the fact that in nearly 60 years of TM practice and
> 38 years of TM Sidhi practice, the world is in much worse condition today than
> it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that there
> are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their 
> physical,
> mental, emotional and financial health. 
> 
> The
> Global Country of World Peace
> 
> Marshy
> created the global country of world peace where the ministers administer this
> non-existent country from the level of awareness. Mostly what they administer
> is PR about how grand TM and its ancillary programs how, how you can donate
> money to the TM  Movement and how that
> will one day create world peace. Enlightenment, once the corner stone of 
> Marshy's
> pitch to the world, is rarely if ever mentioned. 
> 
> One wonders
> how, if we no longer are going to get enlightened, the practice of TM and its 
> subsidiary
> programs will create world peace. You would think that after all the talk of
> enlightened leadership Marshy's Movement has done, one would need enlightened
> leaders to create and administrate world peace. Instead we rely on groups of 
> people
> who have numerous personal problems themselves to create world peace with 
> their
> consciousness by flying together, although no one actually flies and if 
> personal stories are to be believed, many perform other techniques in the 
> groups, sleep or just look around when others are bouncing around.
> 
> 
> While
> I am all in favor of world peace, I don't believe it will be created by an
> organization that has nothing more to offer than self-aggrandizement and the
> opportunity to donate money for endless projects that never materialize. 
> 
> 
> And that's the TM Movement.
>
"And the thing was done"
Okay everyone, let's give a round of applause for MICHAEL JACKSON!.
Backstage:
Interviewer:  Michael Jackson, you've got your seven levels here.  What  was 
the inspiration for that?
MJ:  Well, I felt I needed to put together in one place, all the points I've 
been working on for the last few months.
I: I noticed Michael, that  much of your original time on the site was spent 
sparring with Rich W illiams.  Do you feel that set you back some, in your 
projects.
MJ:  No, I just needed to sort through some of personalities here, to see where 
the alliances lay.
I: Mike, if I may be so informal, let talk about Mark.  Jeepers, and forgive 
me, I don't mean to be crude, but did you just simply wet your pants halfway 
throught that conversation?  Was it as life changing as it appears to have been?
MJ:  Mark has been almost a father figure to me.  Here, in this one person, it 
all came together. Excuse me.  Do you have a tissue?
I: You do know that Mark is the keeper of a high TMO relic, a pair of 
Maharishi's sandals?
MJ: I've heard about that.  It's a subject for a future discussion.
I: Thank you Mike for your time.
MJ:  Sure.  I want to give a shout out to everyone in NC.  You know I love you 
fellow Tar Heels.  HUA.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go 
> through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to 
> respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time 
> to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses 
> not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very 
> efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to 
> remember...
> 
I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access 
to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji 
Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. 
Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs 
of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of 
His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel 
of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, 
sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.

Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that 
we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most 
Humble power.

[FairfieldLife] Re: criminal charges?badge of honour in India of today

[doctordumbass]

 Hazy, you are the only one here sounding like a soprano...though I 
detect some strain in your ability to hit the highest notes. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
>
> Murder, rape, enemies, bribes,sleazy characters,corruption, sounds like an 
> episode from the Sopranos. Are these the Vedic lights of India? Poor India, 
> can't get a break
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > On 03/16/2013 01:32 PM, srijau@ wrote:
> > > http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nityananda_sex_scandal
> > >
> > > if are not up on some phony rape or murder charge in India of today then 
> > > you can't be doing much to threaten the corrupt and spiritually dead 
> > > established order.
> > >   Despite being the biggest single employer of Brahmin pundits now, 
> > > Maharishi has long been regarded as prime enemy by the non-TM Brahmins 
> > > for threatening their livelihood as they don't do Yoga as well as Yagya 
> > > and due their wanting to keep the Kayasthas from competing for any kind 
> > > of spiritual activity.
> > > And just fail to pay your bribes in full and on time and you can get lots 
> > > of trouble. The real "inheritance" from the uncle is a refusal to play 
> > > along with a corrupt game and to be defined by the view majority of the 
> > > pundit Brahmin caste who have a long history of ruthless bullying of 
> > > anyone they consider non-Brahmin.
> > > The usual sleazy characters here treat these charges as conviction and 
> > > guilt and have their predictable orgy of rhetorical excess, slander and 
> > > fabrications.
> > 
> > Which is why to skip these right hand traditions and learn from tantric 
> > since those traditions don't often discriminate via caste. My tantra 
> > guru was a Kshatriya and a Sikh and his guru a Brahmin Hindu.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: criminal charges?badge of honour in India of today

[sgrayatlarge]

Murder, rape, enemies, bribes,sleazy characters,corruption, sounds like an 
episode from the Sopranos. Are these the Vedic lights of India? Poor India, 
can't get a break

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 03/16/2013 01:32 PM, srijau@... wrote:
> > http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nityananda_sex_scandal
> >
> > if are not up on some phony rape or murder charge in India of today then 
> > you can't be doing much to threaten the corrupt and spiritually dead 
> > established order.
> >   Despite being the biggest single employer of Brahmin pundits now, 
> > Maharishi has long been regarded as prime enemy by the non-TM Brahmins for 
> > threatening their livelihood as they don't do Yoga as well as Yagya and due 
> > their wanting to keep the Kayasthas from competing for any kind of 
> > spiritual activity.
> > And just fail to pay your bribes in full and on time and you can get lots 
> > of trouble. The real "inheritance" from the uncle is a refusal to play 
> > along with a corrupt game and to be defined by the view majority of the 
> > pundit Brahmin caste who have a long history of ruthless bullying of anyone 
> > they consider non-Brahmin.
> > The usual sleazy characters here treat these charges as conviction and 
> > guilt and have their predictable orgy of rhetorical excess, slander and 
> > fabrications.
> 
> Which is why to skip these right hand traditions and learn from tantric 
> since those traditions don't often discriminate via caste. My tantra 
> guru was a Kshatriya and a Sikh and his guru a Brahmin Hindu.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bat shit crazy, or what?!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Barry: "...something something stupid vindictive cunt something..."
> 
> Curtis: "" - sixty thousand 
> times in one post, and posted out last week.
> 
> These are the two that have it dialed in on TM, Maharishi, spiritual  
> practices, meditation, chicks, flicks, sex, music, the arts, epistemology, 
> enlightenment, foreign and domestic capitals of the world, cults, spiritual 
> teachers, attachment, mystical experiences, and Bruce Cockburn. Basically the 
> authorities on Pretty Much Everything.
> 
> Makes sense to me.


Hey man, you're a seriously twisted soul. I was about to go to sleep ! Can't do 
that AND laugh my head off at the same time !! 

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[FairfieldLife] Bat shit crazy, or what?!

[doctordumbass]

Barry: "...something something stupid vindictive cunt something..."

Curtis: "" - sixty thousand times 
in one post, and posted out last week.

These are the two that have it dialed in on TM, Maharishi, spiritual  
practices, meditation, chicks, flicks, sex, music, the arts, epistemology, 
enlightenment, foreign and domestic capitals of the world, cults, spiritual 
teachers, attachment, mystical experiences, and Bruce Cockburn. Basically the 
authorities on Pretty Much Everything.

Makes sense to me.  

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[doctordumbass]

Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this 
case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very 
much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need 
for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke.  

No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his 
golden oldies.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > times more eloquently that I do
> 
> That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> said it 10 times before here:
> 
> 2/4/13
> 
> I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> he had been capable of doing all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> 
> 
> 2/8/11
> 
> She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> his fictional case, literally).
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> 
> 
> 2/15/10
> 
> The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> could realize it.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> 
> 
> 9/3/09
> 
> The second concept on which we might differ is about
> "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> the person into realizing what is already present, and
> has always already been present.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> 
> 
> 4/29/08
> 
> In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> doing what he had been able to do all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> 
> 
> 6/30/07
> 
> Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> that's the only reason that astrology appears
> to "work."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> 
> 
> 11/24/06
> 
> I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> as moodmaking.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> 
> 
> 10/30/06
> 
> Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> always been available to him.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> 
> 
> 5/8/06
> 
> Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> fly was always present, just not realized.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> 
> 
> 3/18/06
> 
> The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> to fly.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> 
> 
> 
> > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do 
> > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - 
> > "The New Movement" - Buck
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > --- In Fa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[wgm4u]

This is what happens when you don't practice yama and niyama and expect all 
virtues to just fall into your lapReligion and Meditation were meant to go 
"hand in hand", MMY SOBAL page 256 HB.

All eight limbs were meant to be practiced "simultaneously", MMY Gita appendix 
on Yoga.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Indeed it is. Are you surprised?
> 
> The family karma sure don't fall far from the tree, does it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wayback71@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Wait, is this the same person who is related to MMY and is the head
> of the TM org in India?  The one who is in the photos we see of events
> in India?
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual
> harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or
> testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone
> around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme
> propriety to make things work well and achieve great things.  This is
> disheartening sickening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop
>  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya
> Mandir in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi
> Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental
> torture.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident
> earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to
> Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's
> Commission (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also
> worked with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate
> with him.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband
> take her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five
> star hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband
> away on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism
> but when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided
> to file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had
> been trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with
> claims that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned
> Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1\
> _molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Book of Kells digitized

[merudanda]

thank you for this morning gift! [:x]  FWIW some line of explanation and
links to explore

Book of Kells ~ Part 1- 7 Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRGQPJIO5CM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9kg1B-M3mA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmVH5Jl_FG0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp6mtZ14GRQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcanY9cWNpE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z256ycoFW4U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z256ycoFW4U

The Book of Kells contains the four Gospels in Latin based on the
Vulgate text which St Jerome completed in 384AD, intermixed with
readings from the earlier Old Latin translation. The Gospel texts are
prefaced by other texts, including "canon tables", or concordances of
Gospel passages common to two or more of the evangelists; summaries of
the gospel narratives (Breves causae); and prefaces characterizing the
evangelists (Argumenta). The book is written on vellum (prepared
calfskin) in a bold and expert version of the script known as "insular
majuscule". It contains 340 folios, now measuring approximately 330 x
255 mm; they were severely trimmed, and their edges gilded, in the
course of rebinding in the 19th century.
  As pages of the text and drawings are shared with viewers on camera,
the narrator explains why so many experts believe The Book of Kells is
an incredibly rare and valuable work of Irish art.Look more keenly at it
and you will penetrate to the very shrine of art. You will make out
intricacies, so delicate and so subtle, so full of knots and links, with
colors so fresh and vivid, that you might say that all this were the
work of an angel, and not of a man .Native Celtic artists in the 700s
and 800s A.D. took the great gospel symbols of the Eastern Church--the
four cherubim, lion, calf, eagle and man--and in the cooler air of
Europe's northwest transformed them.
The Celtic shapes and symbols used by the artists have been adopted into
many aspects of today's art.
"Here you may see the face of majesty, divinely drawn, here the mystic
symbols of the Evangelists, each with wings, now six, now four, now two;
here the eagle, there the calf, here the man and there the lion, and
other forms almost infinite. Look at them superficially with the
ordinary glance, and you would think it is an erasure, and not tracery.
"
The manuscript has mystified and motivated writers from W.B. Yeats to
James Joyce and Umberto Eco, and its intricate Celtic knot work
continues to influence artists and craftsmen and inspire spiritual as
well as visionary one today.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... 
wrote:
>
> from around 800 AD. The artwork is worth a look:
>
>
> http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/home/index.php?DRIS_ID=MS58_003v
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[Ravi Chivukula]

Oh dear laughing protector I just saw this - love it, it's perfect. After
all Krishna was also called "Kapati" - clever, trickster, deceitful.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 5:12 PM, laughinggull108
wrote:

> **
>
>
> So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go
> through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to
> respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due
> time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He
> chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first
> place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please
> try to remember...
>
> http://youtu.be/o01Xgx7epdI
>
> Hare Ravi.
>
> The Laughing Protector
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Yay!  And now I'm chuckling.  And looking forward to reading you in
> the new posting week (-:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: seventhray27 
>
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 10:39 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to
> Ravi
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > smiley rainbow except not about your incredible pain.  For that
> maybe not a frowny face because note the resulting strength of your
> tapas!  Maybe a little smile for incredible pain.  How's that?ÂÂ
> Now dear Raviji I'm 100% sure that Xeno does not aspire to guru hood. Â
> >
> > You OTOH may have your very first devotee in guess who?  Right!ÂÂ
> The gull who laughs.  Congratulations!
>
> >
> > Hey, making me smile on my last post for the week. (-: (-: !
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part one

[seventhray27]

remind me to read this when I'm trying to drift off to sleep


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hopintopin" 
wrote:
>
> TM is actually only half of the Contemplation Technique. The
Contemplation Technique requires picturing your deity in your mind while
repeating a mantra. Picturing your deity - "focus" - eliminates the
spaciness associated with TM. While the Contemplation Technique is not
quite so charming, it is better for effectiveness in activity. The
Contemplation Technique is a known 30-40 year path. So then the question
is: How long is the path for only half of the Contemplation Technique -
for TM? The path seems to be a least 30-40 years or longer. The other
question is: Without the other half of the Contemplation Technique, does
one end up in the same place that one would end, without picturing his
deity in his mind? If he becomes enlightened, with what does he have an
affinity? In addition to being only half of the Contemplation Technique,
unless one follows some other religious instruction to keep himself
oriented in a righteous direction, it seems that one could become, to
quote the characters from a popular movie, either Saruman or Gandalf?
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Is that it? Is this the great expose? I think most of this came up
the
> > second week FFL was live. (-:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post
> > > will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional
and
> > even though
> > > I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious
vein.
> > >
> > > My Description of the TM Movement
> > > The First Level of the Movement:
> > > It
> > > all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or
deceitfully
> > (take
> > > your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste.
This
> > may have
> > > been due to white folk not understanding the difference between
> > kayastha and kshatriya.
> > > Marshy
> > > was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He
was
> > told by
> > > the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular
> > favorite of
> > > the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy
> > wandered around
> > > for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the
Swami
> > he did
> > > not have.
> > > Lying
> > > from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as
he
> > called the
> > > Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the
knowledge
> > of spiritual
> > > freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in
> > this life to
> > > the people of the world.
> > > Marshy's
> > > wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In
> > England he
> > > evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to
learn
> > wisdom at
> > > his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce
the
> > ladies
> > > who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment.
> > > Marshy
> > > also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect
as
> > much as
> > > he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide
movement
> > which was
> > > dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention
in
> > the
> > > afterhours was devoted to womankind.
> > > His
> > > association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected
> > publicity which
> > > he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In
those
> > days his
> > > pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would
be. In
> > a
> > > pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him,
he
> > made hints
> > > that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM.
> > > As
> > > time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to
concoct
> > wilder
> > > and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain
> > their
> > > personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from
those
> > of his
> > > followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the
> > times he was
> > > not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men
to
> > satisfy
> > > his sexual needs.
> > > Eventually,
> > > even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting â€"
> > enlightenment through TM,
> > > levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program,
> > perfect health
> > > through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his
brand
> > of Indian
> > > astrology, removal of "bad karma" with Hindu sacrifices
(yagas),
> > he became increasingly
> > > bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became
> > increasingly
> > > senile.
> > >
> > > Eventually
> > > he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those
who
> > had
> > > everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical
state.
> > And s

[FairfieldLife] Re: "The New Movement"

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> I was being facetious of course - in my world view the TMO has had its
day - also inmy opinion, the states of awareness that we experience have
nothing to do with TM or in fact ANY meditation technique, we are led to
believe it and I did for a long long time, but I think that all of the
CC, GC, Unity stuff, celestial perception, seeing devas and all the rest
are experiences that exist within each of us because it is all within
Pure Awareness which is our essential nature - we merely need to get
quiet within and feel and observe to begin these experiences.
Right.  I think you've told us this repeatedly.  But I'm sure you feel
it bears mentioning again.


> I know a lot of FFL disagrees, and many of us had TM as that which
first began our going within  People like Eckhart Tolle who never
meditated a day in his life before he "woke up" are living proof that
you don't need a movement to get you somewhere, but most people have so
little confidence in themselves that they think they need a leader or a
teacher.
yea teachers, bah!  We don't need no stickin teachers!


> My belief is that Marshy knew that we had all the experiences that one
could call alternative states within us and capitalized on the fact by
claiming TM was the best way to experience it. The TMO has too much
baggage of its own and Marshy's to be of any further value to the world.
good, that you for settling this question, that I know was on the minds
of many.  Can this be an addendum to the Collected Papers?  An epilogue,
or something?

> 
> From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:59 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] "The New Movement"
>
>
> Â
> "No thoughts, no mantra" doesn't exclude the TMO.
>
> Aware-ness, like 'space', doesn't exclude any 'thing' within the
space.
>
> Like the space we call a room might include a table, candles, flowers,
incense and anything else we might like to add.
>
> Michael
>
> 
>
> From : Michael Jackson Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:40:09 -0700
>
> no thoughts no mantra no TMO
>
> 
>
> From: sound of stillness
>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
- "The
> New Movement" - Buck
>
> It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the
True Self'
> that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after
it's
> founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
>
> Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
>
> If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new
movement
> unfolding?
>
> What's the vision bro?
>
> Michael
>
> 
>
> From : Buck
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come
forward
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those
facilities with an
> > expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.
Make it
> > clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

Folks, we have just seen Barry get his buttons royally
pushed.

Ann, cyberstalkers don't just search the Web for what
the person they're after has written; they look for
any scrap of information *about* them that might put
the person in a negative light.

Barry does both, BTW, the cyberstalking stuff *and*
quoting folks' past FFL posts (he just quoted one of
mine!). Maybe that's why he can't tell the difference.

(And no, he's never been able to laugh at himself.
All he can manage is to tell other people *they*
should do it.)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing 
> > > > for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much 
> > > > he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for 
> > > > bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
> > > > Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New 
> > > > Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?
> > > 
> > > As a matter of fact, yes:
> > > 
> > > "I might also point out that searching the Web for information
> > > to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior."
> > > - Judy Stein, 11 February 2013
> > 
> > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > the bait.)
> 
> No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> case for what they are without my involvement. 
>
> > PS Are you capable of laughing at yourself?
> 
> > > Also:
> > > 
> > > "Repetition is the mother of retention." 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > > > said it 10 times before here:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2/4/13
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2/8/11
> > > > > 
> > > > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > > > his fictional case, literally).
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2/15/10
> > > > > 
> > > > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > > > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > > > could realize it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 9/3/09
> > > > > 
> > > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > > > has always already been present.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4/29/08
> > > > > 
> > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6/30/07
> > > > > 
> > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > > universe. Remember D

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part one

[hopintopin]

TM is actually only half of the Contemplation Technique. The Contemplation 
Technique requires picturing your deity in your mind while repeating a mantra. 
Picturing your deity - "focus" - eliminates the spaciness associated with TM. 
While the Contemplation Technique is not quite so charming, it is better for 
effectiveness in activity. The Contemplation Technique is a known 30-40 year 
path. So then the question is: How long is the path for only half of the 
Contemplation Technique - for TM? The path seems to be a least 30-40 years or 
longer. The other question is: Without the other half of the Contemplation 
Technique, does one end up in the same place that one would end, without 
picturing his deity in his mind? If he becomes enlightened, with what does he 
have an affinity? In addition to being only half of the Contemplation 
Technique, unless one follows some other religious instruction to keep himself 
oriented in a righteous direction, it seems that one could become, to quote the 
characters from a popular movie, either Saruman or Gandalf?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> Is that it?  Is this the great expose?  I think most of this came up the
> second week FFL was live. (-:
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> wrote:
> >
> > If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post
> > will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional and
> even though
> > I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious vein.
> >
> > My Description of the TM Movement
> > The First Level of the Movement:
> > It
> > all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or deceitfully
> (take
> > your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste. This
> may have
> > been due to white folk not understanding the difference between
> kayastha and kshatriya.
> > Marshy
> > was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He was
> told by
> > the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular
> favorite of
> > the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy
> wandered around
> > for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the Swami
> he did
> > not have.
> > Lying
> > from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as he
> called the
> > Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the knowledge
> of spiritual
> > freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in
> this life to
> > the people of the world.
> > Marshy's
> > wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In
> England he
> > evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to learn
> wisdom at
> > his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce the
> ladies
> > who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment.
> > Marshy
> > also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect as
> much as
> > he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide movement
> which was
> > dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention in
> the
> > afterhours was devoted to womankind.
> > His
> > association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected
> publicity which
> > he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In those
> days his
> > pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would be. In
> a
> > pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him, he
> made hints
> > that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM.
> > As
> > time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to concoct
> wilder
> > and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain
> their
> > personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from those
> of his
> > followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the
> times he was
> > not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men to
> satisfy
> > his sexual needs.
> > Eventually,
> > even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting â€"
> enlightenment through TM,
> > levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program,
> perfect health
> > through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his brand
> of Indian
> > astrology, removal of "bad  karma" with Hindu sacrifices (yagas),
> he became increasingly
> > bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became
> increasingly
> > senile.
> >
> > Eventually
> > he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those who
> had
> > everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical state.
> And so he
> > died, reviled by those who saw through his façade, adored by those
> who
> > allowed the Vedic wool to be pulled over their eyes.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 16-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC

[seventhray27]

I think the butt is fine.  It's the balls I was referring to.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... 
wrote:
>
> No can do, Steve. I already stated my preference for giving someone a
good (mental) kick in the butt, when appropriate. Sorry, wish you had
told me sooner.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think the place would be a lot less interesting without your
> > perspective Jim. Perhaps I sound like a prude when I say that sharp
> > elbows are always going to be thrown, and people shoved and even
knocked
> > down. But just don't hit below the belt. That is considered
> > unsportsmanlike, and in most situations will get you thrown out of
the
> > game.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I must admit a fondness for playing devil's advocate, to those
playing
> > devil's advocate. Who doesn't love popping balloons? As for who is
> > allowed to post here, my intent is to express my perspective, more
than
> > shutting others down - except Ravi, recently, who pissed me off.
> > >
> > > I like getting past the stale crap, and the sacred cows, and move
> > things along. I like a diversity of opinions here, and not just the
> > tiresome rants against all things TM, that we hear so often. It
smacks
> > too much of railing against theism, imo, and has very little to do
with
> > seeing the world in a different way. 180 degree turns in perspective
are
> > nothing special, and lack any creativity.
> > >
> > > There is an incurious and one-trick-pony aspect to much of what
passes
> > for argument around here, with Barry and Curtis. Pick a straw man,
beat
> > him to death, and if anyone objects, they are somehow deficient.
> > >
> > > Has very little to do with the posted purpose of this forum. So
when I
> > can, I'll point out the obvious and hope that creates some space for
> > other voices here. Is it altruism on my part? No way, just trying to
> > keep things interesting.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No problem Jim. Speak your mind as you always do. You feel you
speak
> > > > with authority of an awakened person, and I don't have a problem
> > with
> > > > that. In many ways I find it refreshing. I assume you were being
> > > > facitious in suggesting that Curtis and Barry, and who knows who
> > else,
> > > > should be booted from the group. But you said it anyway. And for
all
> > I
> > > > know you meant it. Who cares if you did. Perhaps in your view,
those
> > > > dissenting opinions are just too dangerous for others here.
> > > >
> > > > I'd be tempted to say, that you'd think others might voice an
> > objection
> > > > to nablusoss comments, but I know well what to expect in reply
to
> > that.
> > > > I think his comments are pretty lame, and I put them in a
different
> > > > category than Barry, for example, calling people "cunts".
> > > >
> > > > Call me a hypocrite for that. But please don't ask me defend
that
> > > > opinion. That is reserved for those rare discussions here, where
> > there
> > > > is a genuine back and forth, instead of jockeying for position
to
> > > > deliver the next insult. Nothing against insults mind you. But
there
> > > > are well delivered insults and then there are those with no
> > creativity,
> > > > just a mean spirited intent.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, it is sort of funny to hear Judy declare such powers of
> > > > discrimination for herself, (and Robin of course), that they are
> > able to
> > > > detect a certain deviousness that Curtis puts out, that is out
of
> > the
> > > > range of detection of your average Joe.
> > > >
> > > > Wouldn't you just love, just love to put that claim to a panel
of
> > > > experts. Like it would make any difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Et tu, Steve?
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Cat's out of the bag - I have run up a pretty sizable tab
on my
> > > > credit card, purchasing large tins of fine caviar for Alex, and
> > improved
> > > > studio equipment for Rick, not to mention paying for several
yagyas
> > at
> > > > inflated Movement prices, to ensure that Curtis posted out last
> > week,
> > > > AND the bylaws of FFL Inc. will be modified, to my liking. Takes
> > fire to
> > > > fight fire!!
> > > > >
> > > > > No expense is too great to ensure that these forces of
darkness do
> > not
> > > > contaminate FFL - I am seriously contemplating taking out a
second
> > > > mortgage, that the Good Fight escalate in earnest! Lobbying on
the
> > side
> > > > of the angels!! Are you with me, or against me buddy??
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess it speaks to the power of Curtis that he can incite
such
> > > > hatred
> > > > > > 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Ann  wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah it's lost on both MJ and Barry that the feather performed a very
> > useful, necessary function - isn't that the point of any mantra or
> practice
> > - to call it meaningless is so stupid. I tried so hard to chant mantras,
> > meditate - I never could and gave it up. I just stuck to singing.
>
> Well you just keep warbling away, my little chickadee.
>

LOL..thank you - love it dear Ann.

Just wanted to add - The path to individuality is through the society,
groups, cults - hopefully MJ will realize it soon and calm down - he is a
nice guy, hopefully FFL is the place where he comes to terms with that. He
definitely seems to have invested a lot in TM and his reaction seems
natural but not his ability to filter all other data that doesn't fit his
story or his current needs.

>
> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Ann  wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while
> it
> > > appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now
> he
> > > has someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his
> > > attention. Barry? Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from
> New
> > > Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?
> > >
> > > Still laughing
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > > >
> > > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > > said it 10 times before here:
> > > >
> > > > 2/4/13
> > > >
> > > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2/8/11
> > > >
> > > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > > his fictional case, literally).
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2/15/10
> > > >
> > > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a
> > > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > > could realize it.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 9/3/09
> > > >
> > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > > has always already been present.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 4/29/08
> > > >
> > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 6/30/07
> > > >
> > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > to "work."
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 11/24/06
> > > >
> > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > as moodmaking.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 10/30/06
> > > >
> > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend a

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> The
> Seventh Level of the Movement:
>
> These
> are the people who have a greater degree of mental independence from
the
> Movement than the Bliss Ninnys, yet they support the overall
(deceitful) intent
> of the Movement which is no longer personal enlightenment, no longer
global
> enlightenment but rather world peace through the so-called yogic
flying
> program.
>
> These
> are the real enablers of the Movement because I believe they outnumber
the TM True Believers who have no ability to discern truth from lies.
The more independent
> TM'ers are able to discern truth, but they give the Movement a free
pass,
> either ignoring Movement lies and various enormities or, if confronted
with
> overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, find excuses for the Movement
behavior or
> just blatantly saying "I don't care. I like TM and I think the
Movement
> does more good than bad, and I think the good the Movement does
outweighs and
> justifies its excesses and lies." Which is the same excuse they used
to
> justify their lack of holding Marshy accountable for his enormities.
>
> When
> asked what good the Movement does, the response is usually the idea
that one
> day world peace will result from Movement activities or that it is
good for
> people to be introduced to the idea of freedom from attachment to the
fruits of
> activity through meditation.
>
> These
> ridiculous notions ignore the fact that in nearly 60 years of TM
practice and
> 38 years of TM Sidhi practice, the world is in much worse condition
today than
> it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that
there
> are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their
physical,
> mental, emotional and financial health.
>
> The
> Global Country of World Peace
>
> Marshy
> created the global country of world peace where the ministers
administer this
> non-existent country from the level of awareness. Mostly what they
administer
> is PR about how grand TM and its ancillary programs how, how you can
donate
> money to the TM  Movement and how that
> will one day create world peace. Enlightenment, once the corner stone
of Marshy's
> pitch to the world, is rarely if ever mentioned.
>
> One wonders
> how, if we no longer are going to get enlightened, the practice of TM
and its subsidiary
> programs will create world peace. You would think that after all the
talk of
> enlightened leadership Marshy's Movement has done, one would need
enlightened
> leaders to create and administrate world peace. Instead we rely on
groups of people
> who have numerous personal problems themselves to create world peace
with their
> consciousness by flying together, although no one actually flies and
if personal stories are to be believed, many perform other techniques in
the groups, sleep or just look around when others are bouncing around.
>
>
> While
> I am all in favor of world peace, I don't believe it will be created
by an
> organization that has nothing more to offer than self-aggrandizement
and the
> opportunity to donate money for endless projects that never
materialize.
>
>
> And that's the TM Movement.
>
"And the thing was done"

Okay everyone, let's give a round of applause for MICHAEL JACKSON!.

Backstage:

Interviewer:  Michael Jackson, you've got your seven levels here.  What 
was the inspiration for that?

MJ:  Well, I felt I needed to put together in one place, all the points
I've been working on for the last few months.

I: I noticed Michael, that  much of your original time on the site was
spent sparring with Rich W illiams.  Do you feel that set you back some,
in your projects.

MJ:  No, I just needed to sort through some of personalities here, to
see where the alliances lay.

I: Mike, if I may be so informal, let talk about Mark.  Jeepers, and
forgive me, I don't mean to be crude, but did you just simply wet your
pants halfway throught that conversation?  Was it as life changing as it
appears to have been?

MJ:  Mark has been almost a father figure to me.  Here, in this one
person, it all came together. Excuse me.  Do you have a tissue?

I: You do know that Mark is the keeper of a high TMO relic, a pair of
Maharishi's sandals?

MJ: I've heard about that.  It's a subject for a future discussion.

I: Thank you Mike for your time.

MJ:  Sure.  I want to give a shout out to everyone in NC.  You know I
love you fellow Tar Heels.  HUA.

[FairfieldLife] jazzy bach

[card]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x6jzKpqeuw

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" awoelflebater@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing
> > > > for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much
> > > > he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for
> > > > bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry?
> > > > Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New
> > > > Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?
> > >
> > > As a matter of fact, yes:
> > >
> > > "I might also point out that searching the Web for information
> > > to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior."
> > > - Judy Stein, 11 February 2013
> >
> > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times
> > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from
> > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule
> > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am
> > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me
> > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to
> > the bait.)
>
> No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> case for what they are without my involvement.



>
>
> > > Also:
> > >
> > > "Repetition is the mother of retention."
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson
 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > > > >
> > > > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > > > said it 10 times before here:
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/4/13
> > > > >
> > > > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/8/11
> > > > >
> > > > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > > > his fictional case, literally).
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/15/10
> > > > >
> > > > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a
> > > > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > > > could realize it.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 9/3/09
> > > > >
> > > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > > > has always already been present.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 4/29/08
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 6/30/07
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > > to "work."
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 11/24/06
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > > as moodmaki

Re: [FairfieldLife] criminal charges?badge of honour in India of today

[Bhairitu]

On 03/16/2013 01:32 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote:
> http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nityananda_sex_scandal
>
> if are not up on some phony rape or murder charge in India of today then you 
> can't be doing much to threaten the corrupt and spiritually dead established 
> order.
>   Despite being the biggest single employer of Brahmin pundits now, Maharishi 
> has long been regarded as prime enemy by the non-TM Brahmins for threatening 
> their livelihood as they don't do Yoga as well as Yagya and due their wanting 
> to keep the Kayasthas from competing for any kind of spiritual activity.
> And just fail to pay your bribes in full and on time and you can get lots of 
> trouble. The real "inheritance" from the uncle is a refusal to play along 
> with a corrupt game and to be defined by the view majority of the pundit 
> Brahmin caste who have a long history of ruthless bullying of anyone they 
> consider non-Brahmin.
> The usual sleazy characters here treat these charges as conviction and guilt 
> and have their predictable orgy of rhetorical excess, slander and 
> fabrications.

Which is why to skip these right hand traditions and learn from tantric 
since those traditions don't often discriminate via caste. My tantra 
guru was a Kshatriya and a Sikh and his guru a Brahmin Hindu.

[FairfieldLife] Re: criminal charges?badge of honour in India of today

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@...  wrote:
>
> http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nityananda_sex_scandal
> 
> if are not up on some phony rape or murder charge in India of today then you 
> can't be doing much to threaten the corrupt and spiritually dead established 
> order.
>  Despite being the biggest single employer of Brahmin pundits now, Maharishi 
> has long been regarded as prime enemy by the non-TM Brahmins for threatening 
> their livelihood as they don't do Yoga as well as Yagya and due their wanting 
> to keep the Kayasthas from competing for any kind of spiritual activity.
> And just fail to pay your bribes in full and on time and you can get lots of 
> trouble. The real "inheritance" from the uncle is a refusal to play along 
> with a corrupt game and to be defined by the view majority of the pundit 
> Brahmin caste who have a long history of ruthless bullying of anyone they 
> consider non-Brahmin. 
> The usual sleazy characters here treat these charges as conviction and guilt 
> and have their predictable orgy of rhetorical excess, slander and 
> fabrications.


Very well said !

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 3

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> Fourth
> Level of the Movement:
>
> There
> are many other TM teachers (now Governors of the Age of Enlightenment)
who were
> not as close to Marshy but served on his staff. And yet more who
functioned all
> over the world doing the bidding of Marshy and whoever was his closest
> lieutenant of the moment. These are the men and women who believe
absolutely
> that Marshy was enlightened, was a saint and was focused on bringing
the entire
> world into a mythical state of Vedic Oneness with All the Laws of
Nature.
>
> These
> are the men and women who carried out the orders of Marshy and the
Movement,
> ignoring or mentally justifying any experiences of behavior on the
part of
> Marshy and his minions at the top of the Movement that were not in
keeping with
> the high ideals the Movement always espoused.
>
>
> These are men and women who were
> themselves often mistreated by people with greater power in the
Movement, but
> who continued to believe that Marshy's work was so important that they
> themselves should accept whatever unfair or cruel treatment they were
enduring
> for the greater good of their own eventual enlightenment and the
enlightenment
> of the world.
>
> Fifth
> Level of the Movement:
>
> Regular
> people who began as simple TM meditators and later became sidhas also
helped to
> keep the various TM Movement facilities around the world running
smoothly. Some
> of them with assets did so by giving large amounts of money to the
Movement for
> the many projects that Marshy repeatedly claimed would bring important
good
> things to the world. Most of the money was of course used for the
pleasure of
> Marshy and his family, and to build monuments to Marshy and his ego.
>
> Other
> people with no money or little money gave of their own physical labor
and
> expertise in staffing long term or for temporary time periods the
various Movement
> facilities and on various Movement related projects. Most of the time,
these
> people worked on a "volunteer" basis. This volunteer program allowed
> the Movement to save itself, over time, hundreds of millions of
dollars by not
> paying people what they deserved for their labor, and enabled the
Movement to create
> one of the most egregious abuses of its history.
>
> In
> the early days of the Movement, it may have paid some of the people
who worked
> for it, but soon the "volunteer" staff program was created. The term
> volunteer was and is a contradiction in terms since if one wanted to
work for
> the TM Movement, the only choice one had was to work as an unpaid
> "volunteer." The staff in TM facilities did receive small stipends of
> perhaps fifty to three hundred dollars per month.
>
> The
> lack of paying regular wages and salaries, the lack of workman's comp
> insurance, the lack of benefits and retirement for any and all of the
TM staff
> including the professors at their university enabled the Movement to
save many
> millions of dollars, and would often result in people being cast aside
with no
> compensation of any kind when the people were no longer physically,
emotionally or
> financially able to serve the Movement.
>
> Far
> from being an organization that uplifted people and made their lives
better,
> the TM Movement has been an organization that has used people up,
putting them
> in difficult situations physically, financially and emotionally. One
of the
> dirty secrets that is not so secret, yet one which the Movement has
never been
> willing to acknowledge, is the fact that often people who do TM have
mental and
> emotional problems from the practice.
>
>
> It is called "unstressing." In
> many instances people who live and work in Movement facilities have
begun to
> manifest unstable mental and emotional states from doing TM. In such
cases the
> Movement asks them to leave. Being asked to leave is the extent of the
care and affection the people who have built and maintained the Movement
receive from the Movement when they are no longer able to actively serve
the Movement.
>
>
> Many
> of these fifth level Movement people are also true believers who think
that Marshy
> can do no wrong, and that regardless of the excesses or omissions of
the
> Movement itself, they feel that the overall goal of world
enlightenment is
> worth what the Movement does to gain such a goal no matter what the
cost to the
> true believers.
>
> The
> Sixth Level of the Movement:
>
> There
> are a number of sidhas, governors and non-governor TM teachers who do
not work
> for the Movement, but believe TM is a good thing. These are the people
who have
> some degree of independence from the Movement, yet support the
Movement in all
> it does. These are the independent TM'ers who actually believe
anything and
> everything the TMO brings down the pike.
>
Shall we call this, "Michael's Collected Papers".  A good name I think.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing 
> > > > for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much 
> > > > he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for 
> > > > bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
> > > > Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New 
> > > > Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?
> > > 
> > > As a matter of fact, yes:
> > > 
> > > "I might also point out that searching the Web for information
> > > to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior."
> > > - Judy Stein, 11 February 2013
> > 
> > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > the bait.) 
> 
> No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> case for what they are without my involvement. 

Oh, you're involved alright and look, you even said the words! Still laughing...
> 
> 
> > > Also:
> > > 
> > > "Repetition is the mother of retention." 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > > > said it 10 times before here:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2/4/13
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2/8/11
> > > > > 
> > > > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > > > his fictional case, literally).
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2/15/10
> > > > > 
> > > > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > > > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > > > could realize it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 9/3/09
> > > > > 
> > > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > > > has always already been present.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4/29/08
> > > > > 
> > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6/30/07
> > > > > 
> > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > > to "work."
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 11/24/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > > any effe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing 
> > > for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much 
> > > he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for 
> > > bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
> > > Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New 
> > > Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?
> > 
> > As a matter of fact, yes:
> > 
> > "I might also point out that searching the Web for information
> > to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior."
> > - Judy Stein, 11 February 2013
> 
> Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> the bait.) 

No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
case for what they are without my involvement. 


> > Also:
> > 
> > "Repetition is the mother of retention." 
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > > > 
> > > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > > said it 10 times before here:
> > > > 
> > > > 2/4/13
> > > > 
> > > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 2/8/11
> > > > 
> > > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > > his fictional case, literally).
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 2/15/10
> > > > 
> > > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > > could realize it.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 9/3/09
> > > > 
> > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > > has always already been present.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 4/29/08
> > > > 
> > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 6/30/07
> > > > 
> > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > to "work."
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 11/24/06
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > as moodmaking.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 10/30/06
> > > > 
> > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > to fly when he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Yeah it's lost on both MJ and Barry that the feather performed a very
> useful, necessary function - isn't that the point of any mantra or practice
> - to call it meaningless is so stupid. I tried so hard to chant mantras,
> meditate - I never could and gave it up. I just stuck to singing.

Well you just keep warbling away, my little chickadee.
> 
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Ann  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while it
> > appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now he
> > has someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his
> > attention. Barry? Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New
> > Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?
> >
> > Still laughing
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > >
> > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > said it 10 times before here:
> > >
> > > 2/4/13
> > >
> > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > >
> > >
> > > 2/8/11
> > >
> > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > his fictional case, literally).
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > >
> > >
> > > 2/15/10
> > >
> > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a
> > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > could realize it.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > >
> > >
> > > 9/3/09
> > >
> > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > has always already been present.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > >
> > >
> > > 4/29/08
> > >
> > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > >
> > >
> > > 6/30/07
> > >
> > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > to "work."
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > >
> > >
> > > 11/24/06
> > >
> > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > as moodmaking.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > >
> > >
> > > 10/30/06
> > >
> > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > always been available to him.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > >
> > >
> > > 5/8/06
> > >
> > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 2

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> The Second Level of the TM Movement.
> Behind the scenes of Marshy have always been his three
> nephews, Anand and Ajay
> Srivastava, and Girish Chandra Varma. These boys, after Marshy, have
reaped the
> majority of the financial rewards that Movement has taken in over the
years.
> They keep Movement's begging wheels spinning eternally.
>
> The
> Third Level of the Movement:
> Marshy
> always had various lieutenants such as Charlie Lutes, Jerry Jarvis and
others
> to do his bidding and carry out his orders. Some of them are dead,
like Lutes
> and others like Jerry irritated Marshy and were relegated to positions
of
> little importance or ejected from the Movement altogether.
>
> Others
> have stood the test of time, like Bevan Morris, Neil Patterson and of
course,
> King Tony Nader. Of them all, Bevan has probably been with the
Movement and was
> with Marshy the longest without being dismissed for not playing along
with
> Marshy's demagoguery. Bevan was placed years ago in charge of one of
the
> Movement's largest cash cows, Maharishi International University,
renamed for
> some unknown reason as Maharishi University of Management which is a
very
> apropos name as it mainly exists to manage the flow of funds from the
United States
> to the TM Movement in Vlodrop, Holland and Marshy's India.
>
> People
> in the Movement like Bevan, Neil and Tony were the greatest enablers
of Marshy
> and his enormities. They saw and either encouraged or condoned his
lies. They
> knew that he was directing most of the money the Movement raised into
his own
> hands and that of his family. Much worse in my opinion was each of his
close
> lieutenants seeing and knowing Marshy washaving sex with women while
claiming to be a life-long celibate monk and
> boldly telling both single and married women and men to be celibate,
supposedly
> so their evolution would not suffer.
>
> In
> light of the fact that Marshy was having sex with the same women he
was
> counseling, I believe he did it deliberately for two reasons â€"
one reason was
> to maintain the illusion that he was a holy man, a celibate monk and
the other
> reason was to make sure there was less competition for the women he
targeted
> for relationships and also to make sure they would be good and horny
when he
> came on to them.
>
Michael,  why didn't I think of that.  Finally, someone who has finally
connected all the dots.  You have performed a service to mankind
Michael.  I hope this isn't the end of the expose!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing 
> > for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much 
> > he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for 
> > bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
> > Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New 
> > Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?
> 
> As a matter of fact, yes:
> 
> "I might also point out that searching the Web for information
> to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior."
> - Judy Stein, 11 February 2013

Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times already and it doesn't 
wash. Looking up old posts from FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any 
molecule of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am some 
vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me stupid and never will (unless of 
course you rise to the bait.) 

PS Are you capable of laughing at yourself?
> 
> Also:
> 
> "Repetition is the mother of retention." 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > > 
> > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > said it 10 times before here:
> > > 
> > > 2/4/13
> > > 
> > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2/8/11
> > > 
> > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > his fictional case, literally).
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2/15/10
> > > 
> > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > could realize it.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 9/3/09
> > > 
> > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > has always already been present.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 4/29/08
> > > 
> > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 6/30/07
> > > 
> > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > to "work."
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 11/24/06
> > > 
> > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > as moodmaking.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 10/30/06
> > > 
> > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > always been available to him.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 5/8/06
> > > 
> > > Remember "

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part one

[seventhray27]

Is that it?  Is this the great expose?  I think most of this came up the
second week FFL was live. (-:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post
> will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional and
even though
> I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious vein.
>
> My Description of the TM Movement
> The First Level of the Movement:
> It
> all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or deceitfully
(take
> your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste. This
may have
> been due to white folk not understanding the difference between
kayastha and kshatriya.
> Marshy
> was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He was
told by
> the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular
favorite of
> the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy
wandered around
> for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the Swami
he did
> not have.
> Lying
> from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as he
called the
> Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the knowledge
of spiritual
> freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in
this life to
> the people of the world.
> Marshy's
> wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In
England he
> evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to learn
wisdom at
> his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce the
ladies
> who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment.
> Marshy
> also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect as
much as
> he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide movement
which was
> dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention in
the
> afterhours was devoted to womankind.
> His
> association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected
publicity which
> he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In those
days his
> pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would be. In
a
> pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him, he
made hints
> that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM.
> As
> time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to concoct
wilder
> and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain
their
> personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from those
of his
> followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the
times he was
> not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men to
satisfy
> his sexual needs.
> Eventually,
> even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting â€"
enlightenment through TM,
> levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program,
perfect health
> through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his brand
of Indian
> astrology, removal of "bad  karma" with Hindu sacrifices (yagas),
he became increasingly
> bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became
increasingly
> senile.
>
> Eventually
> he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those who
had
> everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical state.
And so he
> died, reviled by those who saw through his façade, adored by those
who
> allowed the Vedic wool to be pulled over their eyes.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Share Long]

Ok, ok but being my annoying self I can't help but notice and point out that 
the oldest item on the list occurred almost EXACTLY 7 years ago.  As spooky as 
that is, gotta be a jyotish explanation for that (-:





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing 
> for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much 
> he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for 
> bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
> Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New 
> Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?

As a matter of fact, yes:

"I might also point out that searching the Web for information
to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior."
- Judy Stein, 11 February 2013

Also:

"Repetition is the mother of retention." 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> > 
> > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > as moodmaking.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > 
> > 
> > 10/30/06
> > 
> > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > always been available to him.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > 
> > 
> > 5/8/06
> > 
> > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > 
> > ht

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma following in his uncle's footsteps?

[seventhray27]

you've got to wonder, where this is going to end.  JR maybe.  Could it
be that M engineered that?

Ewing Oil might have been an attractive target for M, and of course his
relatives.

What do you think Michael?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> No he wasn't - but Mark Landau told me about a year after he left the
Movement, a friend of his who was close to those involved told him that
Marshy had attempted to engineer a political assassination.Â
>
> He would not give me details tho he did say he knew who the target
> was and that he would not have put it past Marshy to do such a thing.
>
> He also said Marshy's whole family were kind of a low level Indian
mafia clan - not real hard core, but some of them were "slimy" - he made
that statement about one of Marshy's uncles in particular.
>
> The apples don't fall far from the tree
> - mark my words folks, this is just the tip of the iceberg - there is
more to come about Marshy's relatives and the Movement leaders - its
just like Shakespeare said in the Merchant of Venice, "...truth will
come to light; murder cannot be hid long;
> a man's son
> may, but at the length truth will out."
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: sparaig LEnglish5@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:57 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma following in his uncle's
footsteps?
>
>
> Â
> I don't think Maharishi was ever arrested for trying to kill someone.
>
> It will be interesting to see how this plays out...
>
> L
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > But in a much more heavy-handed fashion:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-07/bhopal/37531182_1\
_mol
> > estation-deputy-director-complaint
> >
> >
> >
> >
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1\
_mol
> > estation-husband-complaint
> >
> >
> >
> >
http://www.dailypioneer.com/state-editions/bhopal/133235-secy-of-maharis\
hi-i
> > nstitute-didnt-turn-up-for-hearing.html
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Charlotte Church is Making a Comeback

[John]

She should stay in formal genres like this one which is more suited for voice.  
She's only 27 years old and can entertain audiences for several more years to 
come.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xggns9kRrc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing 
> for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much 
> he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for 
> bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
> Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New 
> Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?

As a matter of fact, yes:

"I might also point out that searching the Web for information
to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior."
- Judy Stein, 11 February 2013

Also:

"Repetition is the mother of retention." 


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> > 
> > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > as moodmaking.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > 
> > 
> > 10/30/06
> > 
> > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > always been available to him.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > 
> > 
> > 5/8/06
> > 
> > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > 
> > 
> > 3/18/06
> > 
> > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > to fly.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > - I m

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yeah it's lost on both MJ and Barry that the feather performed a very
useful, necessary function - isn't that the point of any mantra or practice
- to call it meaningless is so stupid. I tried so hard to chant mantras,
meditate - I never could and gave it up. I just stuck to singing.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Ann  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while it
> appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now he
> has someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his
> attention. Barry? Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New
> Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?
>
> Still laughing
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> >
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> >
> > 2/4/13
> >
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> >
> >
> > 2/8/11
> >
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> >
> >
> > 2/15/10
> >
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> >
> >
> > 9/3/09
> >
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> >
> >
> > 4/29/08
> >
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> >
> >
> > 6/30/07
> >
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> >
> >
> > 11/24/06
> >
> > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > as moodmaking.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> >
> >
> > 10/30/06
> >
> > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > always been available to him.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> >
> >
> > 5/8/06
> >
> > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > fly was always present, just not realized.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> >
> >
> > 3/18/06
> >
> > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > to fly.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while it 
appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now he has 
someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New Jersey with no life 
would have bothered to look this up."?

Still laughing

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > times more eloquently that I do
> 
> That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> said it 10 times before here:
> 
> 2/4/13
> 
> I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> he had been capable of doing all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> 
> 
> 2/8/11
> 
> She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> his fictional case, literally).
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> 
> 
> 2/15/10
> 
> The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> could realize it.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> 
> 
> 9/3/09
> 
> The second concept on which we might differ is about
> "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> the person into realizing what is already present, and
> has always already been present.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> 
> 
> 4/29/08
> 
> In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> doing what he had been able to do all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> 
> 
> 6/30/07
> 
> Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> that's the only reason that astrology appears
> to "work."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> 
> 
> 11/24/06
> 
> I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> as moodmaking.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> 
> 
> 10/30/06
> 
> Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> always been available to him.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> 
> 
> 5/8/06
> 
> Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> fly was always present, just not realized.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> 
> 
> 3/18/06
> 
> The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> to fly.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> 
> 
> 
> > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do 
> > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - 
> > "The New Movement" - Buck
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[seventhray27]

Have you ever blown up a balloon, and instead of knotting it, you just
let it go and watch careen around the room in every different direction.
That's what this reminds me of.  Here you''ve been sidelined for about a
week, and now with your posting priviledges restored, you're just going
just, just, wait, that's it, bat shit crazy!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> Buck, it is just Maharishi's legacy - I have always said here on FFL
that when someone, anyone creates something the energy with which they
create it finds its way to the furthest reaches of the creation.
Maharishi  created the Movement with deceit, and to further his own
lusts for money, power and sex.
> His lieutenants and relatives learned from him by example and
energetically. The current situation is an inevitable outcome of such a
creation - expect more to come over the years.
>
> I notice that Nabby, Merlin and the good Doctor are not making any
comments about one of
> their own following faithfully in Marshy's foot steps - how about it
> Nabby-Merlin-Doc? Whadda think of Marshy's nephew, given the fact that
he has been doing TM-Sidhi programme for how many decades???
>
> And is this being talked about 'round the Dome Buck?
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:39 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
>
>
> Â
> In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual
harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
> >
> > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or
testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone
around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme
propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is
disheartening sickening.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > >
> > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir
in
> > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya
Mandir group
> > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental
torture.
> > > > >
> > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier
this year at
> > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to
Bhopal couple of
> > > > > days ago.
> > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission
(SWC) alleging
> > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also
worked with the
> > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with
him.
> > > > >
> > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband
take her along
> > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star
hotel was
> > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away
on errands
> > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > >
> > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but
when it
> > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to
file a
> > > > > complaint.
> > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been
trying to
> > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims
that he sent
> > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned
Varma's image on
> > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1\
_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The mystery of what causes Republicans and Conservatives solved

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > No, it's not mental retardation, although that could be a 
> > factor. It's not walking. 
> > 
> > In this interesting article, a theory is proposed that 
> > living in a town or city that is comfortable to walk around,
> > and thus encourages walking, creates a vastly different 
> > cognitive mapping through which we see the universe than
> > does living in a place where you drive everywhere. I have
> > certainly seen the truth of this living in Europe, which
> > incidentally tends to produce people with more liberal
> > views, *except* in the burbs where people live distanced
> > from other people and have to drive wherever they're going.
> > Interesting theory.
> > 
> > http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article03151301.aspx
> 
> Very interesting. One wonders how he would solve the
> mystery of what caused Republicans and Conservatives
> prior to the era of the automobile.

That was officially funny. 
>

[FairfieldLife] criminal charges?badge of honour in India of today

[srijau]

http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nityananda_sex_scandal

if are not up on some phony rape or murder charge in India of today then you 
can't be doing much to threaten the corrupt and spiritually dead established 
order.
 Despite being the biggest single employer of Brahmin pundits now, Maharishi 
has long been regarded as prime enemy by the non-TM Brahmins for threatening 
their livelihood as they don't do Yoga as well as Yagya and due their wanting 
to keep the Kayasthas from competing for any kind of spiritual activity.
And just fail to pay your bribes in full and on time and you can get lots of 
trouble. The real "inheritance" from the uncle is a refusal to play along with 
a corrupt game and to be defined by the view majority of the pundit Brahmin 
caste who have a long history of ruthless bullying of anyone they consider 
non-Brahmin. 
The usual sleazy characters here treat these charges as conviction and guilt 
and have their predictable orgy of rhetorical excess, slander and fabrications.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The mystery of what causes Republicans and Conservatives solved

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 03/16/2013 09:40 AM, authfriend wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> No, it's not mental retardation, although that could be a
> >> factor. It's not walking.
> >>
> >> In this interesting article, a theory is proposed that
> >> living in a town or city that is comfortable to walk around,
> >> and thus encourages walking, creates a vastly different
> >> cognitive mapping through which we see the universe than
> >> does living in a place where you drive everywhere. I have
> >> certainly seen the truth of this living in Europe, which
> >> incidentally tends to produce people with more liberal
> >> views, *except* in the burbs where people live distanced
> >> from other people and have to drive wherever they're going.
> >> Interesting theory.
> >>
> >> http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article03151301.aspx
> >
> > Very interesting. One wonders how he would solve the
> > mystery of what caused Republicans and Conservatives
> > prior to the era of the automobile.
> 
> Don't know much about history?  (Just kidding).  This has
> been going on since the founding of the country.

My point was that we haven't had cars going on since the
founding of the country, so the guy is going to have to
find another reason for the existence of Republicans and
conservatives prior to the beginning of the 20th century.





  I liked HBO's series about John 
> Adams because it showed the tug-a-war between the land owners and those 
> who wanted to preserve the rights of the working class.  I grew up in 
> the country and I wouldn't say the folks there were conservative.  They 
> mostly voted Democrat.  And we used to have liberal Republicans too.  
> The only Republican I ever voted for was a liberal Republican governor.  
> We had Democrat governors who were corrupt.
> 
> I heard a news break this morning with a sound clip from Sarah Palin.  
> The reporters lead in said she was speaking about talking back the 
> country from the liberals (as if they ever took it in the first place).  
> But then the sound clip from her speech was something that no real 
> liberal would disagree with.  It was about driving a stake into the 
> hearts of the too big to fail banks.  C-SPAN has the entire speech on 
> their site but I'm not going to sit through her dingy prattle to find 
> that one section.  I would have thought it would on the ABCNews site but 
> it isn't and maybe someone realized what she said.  But her prattle 
> plays well to the zombies at that convention.
> 
> Conservatives are all for budget cutting except when it comes to the big 
> gorilla in the room, the offense budget.  No not the defense budget, we 
> don't have one.  What was the defense budget is now the offense budget 
> because that's what is done with that money.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> It was always garbage like this that I hated even in the days I was a TM 
> junkie. When I started TM, I thought it was supposed to make one stronger, 
> happier, emotionally more stable, more fulfilled, more able to be in the 
> world. 
> 
> But with the kind of crap the TMO has always promoted and condoned like this 
> eclipse stuff, moving a whole village cuz the hill is too high, can't be in a 
> house with a south facing entrance, can't meditate with an animal in the 
> room, people get to the point where they just want to meditate all the time 
> and far from TM being preparation for activity, activity becomes the scary 
> lull between meditations. As Edg would say "Bah!"

Most people who practice TM, Michael, are not "TM junkies"
and don't pay any attention to the TMO's garbage.

[FairfieldLife] Re: "The New Movement"

[sound of stillness]

What if we were to start with the 'cost' of learning TM?

And what if "The New Movement" (Buck, how long have you had this idea
;-) were to target the numerous yoga studios and their hatha yoga
teachers and students?

I know hundreds of hatha yoga teachers, and only a few who have any form
of meditation practice.

What if TM were taught in these numerous yoga studios for starters?

Or maybe this is already happening . . .


  turquoiseb Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:02:12 -0700

>
As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not
quite as easy to come up with an alternative.
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hopintopin" 
wrote:
>
> However, we still need a way to balance karma (Cosmic Consciousness),
or eliminate karma entirely (Unity Consciousness). Most of us are not
born at the tipping point, which is apparent in the case of Eckhart
Tolle.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
> >
> > I was being facetious of course - in my world view the TMO has had
its day - also inmy opinion, the states of awareness that we experience
have nothing to do with TM or in fact ANY meditation technique, we are
led to believe it and I did for a long long time, but I think that all
of the CC, GC, Unity stuff, celestial perception, seeing devas and all
the rest are experiences that exist within each of us because it is all
within Pure Awareness which is our essential nature - we merely need to
get quiet within and feel and observe to begin these experiences.
> >
> > I know a lot of FFL disagrees, and many of us had TM as that which
first began our going within  People like Eckhart Tolle who never
meditated a day in his life before he "woke up" are living proof that
you don't need a movement to get you somewhere, but most people have so
little confidence in themselves that they think they need a leader or a
teacher.
> >
> > My belief is that Marshy knew that we had all the experiences that
one could call alternative states within us and capitalized on the fact
by claiming TM was the best way to experience it. The TMO has too much
baggage of its own and Marshy's to be of any further value to the world.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:59 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] "The New Movement"
> >
> >
> > Â
> > "No thoughts, no mantra" doesn't exclude the TMO.
> >
> > Aware-ness, like 'space', doesn't exclude any 'thing' within the
space.
> >
> > Like the space we call a room might include a table, candles,
flowers, incense and anything else we might like to add.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > 
> >
> > From : Michael Jackson Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:40:09 -0700
> >
> > no thoughts no mantra no TMO
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: sound of stillness
> >
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
harassment - "The
> > New Movement" - Buck
> >
> > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the
True Self'
> > that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after
it's
> > founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> >
> > Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> >
> > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new
movement
> > unfolding?
> >
> > What's the vision bro?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > 
> >
> > From : Buck
> > >
> > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come
forward
> > > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those
facilities with an
> > > expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole
movement.  Make it
> > > clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > > -Buck
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya

[Michael Jackson]

It was always garbage like this that I hated even in the days I was a TM 
junkie. When I started TM, I thought it was supposed to make one stronger, 
happier, emotionally more stable, more fulfilled, more able to be in the world. 

But with the kind of crap the TMO has always promoted and condoned like this 
eclipse stuff, moving a whole village cuz the hill is too high, can't be in a 
house with a south facing entrance, can't meditate with an animal in the room, 
people get to the point where they just want to meditate all the time and far 
from TM being preparation for activity, activity becomes the scary lull between 
meditations. As Edg would say "Bah!"





 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Now please tell us what was the deal on that? Why would they be afraid of an 
> eclipse and how did TM or its hidden and denied Hindu roots have a hand in 
> that?

Jyotish. It's a weird iron age belief that the movement of planets
against a random backdrop of stars has some sort of effect on our
lives. I know, crazy huh?

One of the things that was noticed is that sometimes the natural
order is upset, a comet appears during a war and forever on they
are seen as harbingers of doom when really they are just dirty
snowballs left over from the formation of the solar system. In
fact, there wouldn't be any water on Earth if it wasn't for comets.
This is why I prefer the new knowledge to the old. And was why I
didn't heed the TMOs advice and looked directly at comet Hale Bopp
when I was on a course in '97. One of the most beautiful things
I ever saw.

But anyway, jyotishees warn us that solar eclipses are "bad" times
and to witness one is to open your life to all sorts of bad karma
and demons that inhabit the world during times of temporary darkness.
I was working at UK HQ when the last full solar eclipse hit England.
I was highly excited at the chance to see one of natures miracles and
probably the ultimate free light show.

The head of TM europe (and a physics professor) warned us to stay
inside lest we reap the awful karmic dues you get from erm, standing
in a shadow (!) I was happy to point out the absurdity of being
scared, pointed out that the moon wasn't eating the sun and that even
if their was an astrological effect from witnessing an eclipse it
would be the same whether you were inside or out when it happened.

But these people aren't interested in logic or reason no matter how
much they go on about science. So, come the day I was the *only one*
on the roof of our rather stately home. Everyone else was cowering
in their offices. It was pathetic, my rapidly dwindling respect for
the intellectual underpinning of TM took a major hit that day.

And then I nearly blinded myself trying to take a photo of it
through a telephoto lens. Lucky there was no permanent damage, that would have 
been IT. Wouldn't have lived that one down

> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 1:09 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > I enjoy your sense of humor, puns and all, even if we're on different sides 
> > of the fence about TM, TMO, etc.  But I admit it is a stretch to picture 
> > you as a tough administrator, sending a screamer home (-:
> 
> Ooh yes Share, beware getting on the wrong side of me ;-)
> 
> > I started TM in March 1975 and came to MIU 6 months later.  I was 
> > totally clueless!  Now I've been around for over 35 years and lived in 
> > FF for the last 8 years, before that was on campus for 14 years either on 
> > staff or as a graduate student.  My point is that I'm not a newbie to 
> > all this.  And as I've gotten older I think I've become more accepting, 
> > more realistic.  And I know something about organizations and life on 
> > this planet.  So I have ceased to look for perfection or a lack of flaws 
> > in anyone or any group.  Heck I think such would be pretty boring 
> > anyway.  Maybe one way to say it is that my boundaries are simply 
> > different than those of some others here on FFL.  That also enhances 
> > life's richness (-:    
> 
> Accepting and realistic? You mean you put up with more crap?
> 
> I held the TMO to the standards they claimed for themselves and
> as such our working relationship didn't last very long! It's all
> very well claiming to be a perfect society but you've got to
> deliver the goods sooner or later. Perhaps I'm too demanding?
> 
> Anyway, it's the failure of the belief system to offer anything
> realistic that settled it for me. For instance, I couldn't stay with an 
> organisation that claimed to be science-bas

[FairfieldLife] Re: "The New Movement"

[hopintopin]

However, we still need a way to balance karma (Cosmic Consciousness), or 
eliminate karma entirely (Unity Consciousness). Most of us are not born at the 
tipping point, which is apparent in the case of Eckhart Tolle. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I was being facetious of course - in my world view the TMO has had its day - 
> also inmy opinion, the states of awareness that we experience have nothing to 
> do with TM or in fact ANY meditation technique, we are led to believe it and 
> I did for a long long time, but I think that all of the CC, GC, Unity stuff, 
> celestial perception, seeing devas and all the rest are experiences that 
> exist within each of us because it is all within Pure Awareness which is our 
> essential nature - we merely need to get quiet within and feel and observe to 
> begin these experiences.
> 
> I know a lot of FFL disagrees, and many of us had TM as that which first 
> began our going within  People like Eckhart Tolle who never meditated a day 
> in his life before he "woke up" are living proof that you don't need a 
> movement to get you somewhere, but most people have so little confidence in 
> themselves that they think they need a leader or a teacher.
> 
> My belief is that Marshy knew that we had all the experiences that one could 
> call alternative states within us and capitalized on the fact by claiming TM 
> was the best way to experience it. The TMO has too much baggage of its own 
> and Marshy's to be of any further value to the world. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: sound of stillness 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:59 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] "The New Movement"
>  
> 
>   
> "No thoughts, no mantra" doesn't exclude the TMO.
> 
> Aware-ness, like 'space', doesn't exclude any 'thing' within the space.
> 
> Like the space we call a room might include a table, candles, flowers, 
> incense and anything else we might like to add.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> From : Michael Jackson Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:40:09 -0700
> 
> no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> 
> 
> 
> From: sound of stillness
> 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
> 
> It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
> that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
> founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> 
> Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> 
> If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> unfolding? 
> 
> What's the vision bro?
> 
> Michael
> 
>  
> 
> From : Buck
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an 
> > expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make 
> > it 
> > clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> times more eloquently that I do

That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
said it 10 times before here:

2/4/13

I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
he had been capable of doing all along.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480


2/8/11

She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
"Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
his fictional case, literally).

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265


2/15/10

The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
could realize it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345


9/3/09

The second concept on which we might differ is about
"nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
the person into realizing what is already present, and
has always already been present.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011


4/29/08

In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
"make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
doing what he had been able to do all along.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308


6/30/07

Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
that's the only reason that astrology appears
to "work."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519


11/24/06

I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
as moodmaking.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152


10/30/06

Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
always been available to him.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069


5/8/06

Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
fly was always present, just not realized.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433


3/18/06

The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
"magic feather" given to him was what enabled
him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
to fly.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429



> - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if 
> I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> 
> My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
> kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> trunk. 
> 
> It was never magic. It was just a feather. 
> 
> Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
> people into recognizing what has always already been
> present.
> 
> As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
> about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
> to rail against what is, here and now, today. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How pure is your experience?

[Share Long]

Pure thought was sure it
wanted to be sealed up then
reveled in its overflowing shores





 From: merudanda 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How pure is your experience?
 

  
The seal of "pure thought"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Enjoji Temple
> enjoying what's outside within
> the sigh of fallen blossoms
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:51 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] How pure is your experience?
> 
> 
>   
> The cherry blossoms having fallen,
> Enjoji Temple
> Is quiet once more.
> 
> - Onitsura
> 
> How pure is your experience, how entangled with the past?
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: How pure is your experience?

[merudanda]

Where thoughts serenely sweet express
How pure, how dear their dwelling place
..
The smiles that win, the tints that glow
But tell of days in goodness spent
A mind at peace with all below,
A heart whose love is innocent.
L.B
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> The seal of "pure thought"
>
>
[https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F-OW87xxlrQ/UUTH8A1UKkI/BFo/\
\
> 3mIQMhsT-Mo/s199/The%2520seal%2520of%2520pure%2520thought.jpg]
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
> wrote:
> >
> > Enjoji Temple
> > enjoying what's outside within
> > the sigh of fallen blossoms
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:51 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] How pure is your experience?
> >
> >
> > Â
> > The cherry blossoms having fallen,
> > Enjoji Temple
> > Is quiet once more.
> >
> > - Onitsura
> >
> > How pure is your experience, how entangled with the past?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How pure is your experience?

[merudanda]

The seal of "pure thought"
 
[https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F-OW87xxlrQ/UUTH8A1UKkI/BFo/\
3mIQMhsT-Mo/s199/The%2520seal%2520of%2520pure%2520thought.jpg]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
wrote:
>
> Enjoji Temple
> enjoying what's outside within
> the sigh of fallen blossoms
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:51 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] How pure is your experience?
>
>
> Â
> The cherry blossoms having fallen,
> Enjoji Temple
> Is quiet once more.
>
> - Onitsura
>
> How pure is your experience, how entangled with the past?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently 
that I do - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I 
were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> no thoughts no mantra no TMO 

My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
trunk. 

It was never magic. It was just a feather. 

Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
people into recognizing what has always already been
present.

As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 

> 
>  From: sound of stillness 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
> 
> It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
> that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
> founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> 
> Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> 
> If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> unfolding? 
> 
> What's the vision bro?
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  
> > Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity 
> > > > > > in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > 

Re: [FairfieldLife] "The New Movement"

[Michael Jackson]

I was being facetious of course - in my world view the TMO has had its day - 
also inmy opinion, the states of awareness that we experience have nothing to 
do with TM or in fact ANY meditation technique, we are led to believe it and I 
did for a long long time, but I think that all of the CC, GC, Unity stuff, 
celestial perception, seeing devas and all the rest are experiences that exist 
within each of us because it is all within Pure Awareness which is our 
essential nature - we merely need to get quiet within and feel and observe to 
begin these experiences.

I know a lot of FFL disagrees, and many of us had TM as that which first began 
our going within  People like Eckhart Tolle who never meditated a day in his 
life before he "woke up" are living proof that you don't need a movement to get 
you somewhere, but most people have so little confidence in themselves that 
they think they need a leader or a teacher.

My belief is that Marshy knew that we had all the experiences that one could 
call alternative states within us and capitalized on the fact by claiming TM 
was the best way to experience it. The TMO has too much baggage of its own and 
Marshy's to be of any further value to the world. 





 From: sound of stillness 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] "The New Movement"
 

  
"No thoughts, no mantra" doesn't exclude the TMO.

Aware-ness, like 'space', doesn't exclude any 'thing' within the space.

Like the space we call a room might include a table, candles, flowers, incense 
and anything else we might like to add.

Michael



>From : Michael Jackson Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:40:09 -0700

no thoughts no mantra no TMO 



From: sound of stillness

Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck

It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.

Who is "the new movement" that you mention?

If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
unfolding? 

What's the vision bro?

Michael

 

>From : Buck
>
> This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with an 
> expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make it 
> clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> -Buck


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: How pure is your experience?

[merudanda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c0hrrWyMbAw#t=2\
0s

The irony here is the FFL-TMO tourist crowd throngs to the the temple to
see the cherry ...The quiet was broken in places by atmospheric
classical music.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sound of stillness"
 wrote:
>
> The cherry blossoms having fallen,
> Enjoji Temple
> Is quiet once more.
>
> - Onitsura
>
> How pure is your experience, how entangled with the past?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The mystery of what causes Republicans and Conservatives solved

[Bhairitu]

On 03/16/2013 09:40 AM, authfriend wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> No, it's not mental retardation, although that could be a
>> factor. It's not walking.
>>
>> In this interesting article, a theory is proposed that
>> living in a town or city that is comfortable to walk around,
>> and thus encourages walking, creates a vastly different
>> cognitive mapping through which we see the universe than
>> does living in a place where you drive everywhere. I have
>> certainly seen the truth of this living in Europe, which
>> incidentally tends to produce people with more liberal
>> views, *except* in the burbs where people live distanced
>> from other people and have to drive wherever they're going.
>> Interesting theory.
>>
>> http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article03151301.aspx
> Very interesting. One wonders how he would solve the
> mystery of what caused Republicans and Conservatives
> prior to the era of the automobile.

Don't know much about history?  (Just kidding).  This has been going on 
since the founding of the country.  I liked HBO's series about John 
Adams because it showed the tug-a-war between the land owners and those 
who wanted to preserve the rights of the working class.  I grew up in 
the country and I wouldn't say the folks there were conservative.  They 
mostly voted Democrat.  And we used to have liberal Republicans too.  
The only Republican I ever voted for was a liberal Republican governor.  
We had Democrat governors who were corrupt.

I heard a news break this morning with a sound clip from Sarah Palin.  
The reporters lead in said she was speaking about talking back the 
country from the liberals (as if they ever took it in the first place).  
But then the sound clip from her speech was something that no real 
liberal would disagree with.  It was about driving a stake into the 
hearts of the too big to fail banks.  C-SPAN has the entire speech on 
their site but I'm not going to sit through her dingy prattle to find 
that one section.  I would have thought it would on the ABCNews site but 
it isn't and maybe someone realized what she said.  But her prattle 
plays well to the zombies at that convention.

Conservatives are all for budget cutting except when it comes to the big 
gorilla in the room, the offense budget.  No not the defense budget, we 
don't have one.  What was the defense budget is now the offense budget 
because that's what is done with that money.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> no thoughts no mantra no TMO 

My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
trunk. 

It was never magic. It was just a feather. 

Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
people into recognizing what has always already been
present.

As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 

> 
>  From: sound of stillness 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
> that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
> founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> 
> Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> 
> If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> unfolding? 
> 
> What's the vision bro?
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  
> > Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity 
> > > > > > in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband 
> > > > > > > > > take her along
> > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five 
> > > > > > > > > star hote

[FairfieldLife] "The New Movement"

[sound of stillness]

"No thoughts, no mantra" doesn't exclude the TMO.

Aware-ness, like 'space', doesn't exclude any 'thing' within the space.

Like the space we call a room might include a table, candles, flowers, incense 
and anything else we might like to add.

Michael



>From : Michael Jackson Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:40:09 -0700

no thoughts no mantra no TMO 



 
From: sound of stillness


Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 
It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.

Who is "the new movement" that you mention?

If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
unfolding? 

What's the vision bro?

Michael

 

>From : Buck
>
> This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with an 
> expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make it 
> clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> -Buck

Re: [FairfieldLife] How pure is your experience?

[Share Long]

Enjoji Temple
enjoying what's outside within
the sigh of fallen blossoms





 From: sound of stillness 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:51 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] How pure is your experience?
 

  
The cherry blossoms having fallen,
Enjoji Temple
Is quiet once more.

- Onitsura

How pure is your experience, how entangled with the past?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

no thoughts no mantra no TMO 





 From: sound of stillness 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  


It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.

Who is "the new movement" that you mention?

If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
unfolding? 

What's the vision bro?

Michael

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with an 
> expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make it 
> clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing TM 
> > > and the Papists the other morning.
> > > Such synchrony.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in 
> > > > > India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > 
> > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > 
> > 
> >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away 
> > > > > > > > on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned 
> > > > > > > > Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[sound of stillness]

It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.

Who is "the new movement" that you mention?

If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
unfolding? 

What's the vision bro?

Michael


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with an 
> expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make it 
> clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing TM 
> > > and the Papists the other morning.
> > > Such synchrony.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in 
> > > > > India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > 
> > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > 
> > 
> >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> >   
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away 
> > > > > > > > on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned 
> > > > > > > > Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:



today than
> it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that there
> are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their 
> physical,
> mental, emotional and financial health. 

I seem to think that's inevitable, because it seems not
possible to cherry pick individuals that have primarily white (shukla)
karma ripening, or stuff... :D

[FairfieldLife] How pure is your experience?

[sound of stillness]

The cherry blossoms having fallen,
Enjoji Temple
Is quiet once more.

- Onitsura

How pure is your experience, how entangled with the past?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4

[sound of stillness]

Well, as Jerry Jarvis used to say with a twinkle in his eye, "that's one way of 
looking at it."

I'm a currency trader. I call the Forex, the streams of abundance.  And find 
the key to success, the key to consistently turning small amounts of money into 
larger amounts, is to 'Want What The Market Wants'.

I sense the purity of Maharishi's teaching, the effortless experience of finer, 
finer, finest state of the mantra, a mantra that each of us were asked and 
agreed to keep private, the transcending of the finest state of the mantra, 
over time, along with, especially with dynamic activity, specific activity that 
helps each of us in becoming that one true thing that only we can become, the 
two together, distinct but inseperable, like purusha and prakriti, transcending 
and specific dynamic activity, results in giving change an evolutionary 
direction.

That would include, from one generation to another, an evolution of the TMO. 

Is Maharishi's teaching, is the TMO worth protecting? Will nature support it?

Let Thy will be done . . .



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> The
> Seventh Level of the Movement:
> 
> These
> are the people who have a greater degree of mental independence from the
> Movement than the Bliss Ninnys, yet they support the overall (deceitful) 
> intent
> of the Movement which is no longer personal enlightenment, no longer global
> enlightenment but rather world peace through the so-called yogic flying
> program. 
> 
> These
> are the real enablers of the Movement because I believe they outnumber the TM 
> True Believers who have no ability to discern truth from lies. The more 
> independent
> TM'ers are able to discern truth, but they give the Movement a free pass,
> either ignoring Movement lies and various enormities or, if confronted with
> overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, find excuses for the Movement behavior or
> just blatantly saying "I don't care. I like TM and I think the Movement
> does more good than bad, and I think the good the Movement does outweighs and
> justifies its excesses and lies." Which is the same excuse they used to
> justify their lack of holding Marshy accountable for his enormities. 
> 
> When
> asked what good the Movement does, the response is usually the idea that one
> day world peace will result from Movement activities or that it is good for
> people to be introduced to the idea of freedom from attachment to the fruits 
> of
> activity through meditation. 
> 
> These
> ridiculous notions ignore the fact that in nearly 60 years of TM practice and
> 38 years of TM Sidhi practice, the world is in much worse condition today than
> it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that there
> are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their 
> physical,
> mental, emotional and financial health. 
> 
> The
> Global Country of World Peace
> 
> Marshy
> created the global country of world peace where the ministers administer this
> non-existent country from the level of awareness. Mostly what they administer
> is PR about how grand TM and its ancillary programs how, how you can donate
> money to the TM  Movement and how that
> will one day create world peace. Enlightenment, once the corner stone of 
> Marshy's
> pitch to the world, is rarely if ever mentioned. 
> 
> One wonders
> how, if we no longer are going to get enlightened, the practice of TM and its 
> subsidiary
> programs will create world peace. You would think that after all the talk of
> enlightened leadership Marshy's Movement has done, one would need enlightened
> leaders to create and administrate world peace. Instead we rely on groups of 
> people
> who have numerous personal problems themselves to create world peace with 
> their
> consciousness by flying together, although no one actually flies and if 
> personal stories are to be believed, many perform other techniques in the 
> groups, sleep or just look around when others are bouncing around.
> 
> 
> While
> I am all in favor of world peace, I don't believe it will be created by an
> organization that has nothing more to offer than self-aggrandizement and the
> opportunity to donate money for endless projects that never materialize. 
> 
> 
> And that's the TM Movement.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The mystery of what causes Republicans and Conservatives solved

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> No, it's not mental retardation, although that could be a 
> factor. It's not walking. 
> 
> In this interesting article, a theory is proposed that 
> living in a town or city that is comfortable to walk around,
> and thus encourages walking, creates a vastly different 
> cognitive mapping through which we see the universe than
> does living in a place where you drive everywhere. I have
> certainly seen the truth of this living in Europe, which
> incidentally tends to produce people with more liberal
> views, *except* in the burbs where people live distanced
> from other people and have to drive wherever they're going.
> Interesting theory.
> 
> http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article03151301.aspx

Very interesting. One wonders how he would solve the
mystery of what caused Republicans and Conservatives
prior to the era of the automobile.

[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Now please tell us what was the deal on that? Why would they be afraid 
> > > > of an eclipse and how did TM or its hidden and denied Hindu roots have 
> > > > a hand in that?
> > > 
> > > Jyotish. It's a weird iron age belief that the movement of planets
> > > against a random backdrop of stars has some sort of effect on our
> > > lives. I know, crazy huh?
> > > 
> > > One of the things that was noticed is that sometimes the natural
> > > order is upset, a comet appears during a war and forever on they
> > > are seen as harbingers of doom when really they are just dirty
> > > snowballs left over from the formation of the solar system. In
> > > fact, there wouldn't be any water on Earth if it wasn't for comets.
> > > This is why I prefer the new knowledge to the old. And was why I
> > > didn't heed the TMOs advice and looked directly at comet Hale Bopp
> > > when I was on a course in '97. One of the most beautiful things
> > > I ever saw.
> > > 
> > > But anyway, jyotishees warn us that solar eclipses are "bad" times
> > > and to witness one is to open your life to all sorts of bad karma
> > > and demons that inhabit the world during times of temporary darkness.
> > > I was working at UK HQ when the last full solar eclipse hit England.
> > > I was highly excited at the chance to see one of natures miracles and
> > > probably the ultimate free light show.
> > > 
> > > The head of TM europe (and a physics professor) warned us to stay
> > > inside lest we reap the awful karmic dues you get from erm, standing
> > > in a shadow (!) I was happy to point out the absurdity of being
> > > scared, pointed out that the moon wasn't eating the sun and that even
> > > if their was an astrological effect from witnessing an eclipse it
> > > would be the same whether you were inside or out when it happened.
> > > 
> > > But these people aren't interested in logic or reason no matter how
> > > much they go on about science. So, come the day I was the *only one*
> > > on the roof of our rather stately home. Everyone else was cowering
> > > in their offices. It was pathetic, my rapidly dwindling respect for
> > > the intellectual underpinning of TM took a major hit that day.
> > > 
> > > And then I nearly blinded myself trying to take a photo of it
> > > through a telephoto lens. Lucky there was no permanent damage, that would 
> > > have been IT. Wouldn't have lived that one down
> > 
> > Ha,ha, great story, loved every word of it! You remind me of me sometimes. 
> > I remember during my art major at MIU we always had to stop working in the 
> > middle of the morning and sit and meditate for 10 minutes. I hated that. I 
> > was right in the middle of come creative process and Michael Caine would 
> > say, "Okay class, 10 minute meditation break." I remember standing there 
> > flatly refusing to sit down, having a small hissy fit and Michael, being 
> > the cool and very nice man he was, let me keep working while the rest of 
> > the class sat and closed their eyes. Sometimes, this kind of thing just 
> > drove me CRAZY. I mean, how many times do you have to sit and do nothing 
> > during the day? Anyway, my point of this silly story is that I would have 
> > been right up on the roof with you, enjoying that eclipse and probably 
> > would have come down and pretended to be smitten with some sort of crazy or 
> > moon madness just to jerk their chains.
> 
> Damn, I didn't think of that. I was probably too busy trying not to
> spill hot water on myself or crash the car for a few days just in
> case I got a "told you so"
> 
> PS, No one objected to you working when they were meditating? 
> I probably would have done, I was fussy like that!

I stayed in another room trying to be quiet; luckily I wasn't sculpting any 
marble with a chisel or anything like that, everyone else was having their 10 
minutes of eyes closed. Luckily the people in the art major were the most 
individualistic students on campus (Curtis might disagree), the most liberal. 
So, they were fine with it.
> 
> PPS, We had the real Michael Caine filming a movie at that very
> academy. The movie was called "Quills" and also starred Kate 
> Winslet, I got my best T-shirt on the day she was there I can tell
> you. But she somehow failed to notice me.

Aw, poor you, but good try.
> 
> Found a clip of the old place:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrFu4owaED4

Gorgeous. Thanks for that.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The mystery of what causes Republicans and Conservatives solved

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> turquoiseb:
> > No, it's not mental retardation, although that could be a 
> > factor. It's not walking. 
> > 
> > In this interesting article, a theory is proposed that 
> > living in a town or city that is comfortable to walk around,
> > and thus encourages walking, creates a vastly different 
> > cognitive mapping through which we see the universe than
> > does living in a place where you drive everywhere. 
> >
> So, you can't afford a motor vehicle. Go figure. You going
> to walk to Paris? What happened to your car that got '40' 
> MPG. LoL! What I can't figure out is why you'd want to live
> in a big city. Out here, I can walk for miles - don't need
> no stinkin' sidewalk cafes or art galleries. Don't need no
> brick shithouse either. LoL!

"Maybe it's time for you to take a vacation from posting to
FFL, and in a year or ten, return here to dialog like an
honest man or a scholar - at present you are neither, Sir."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 16-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC

[doctordumbass]

Thanks Ann - yeah, I enjoy myself, in general. And tweaking the fundamentalists 
on here is a joy sometimes, especially the High Priest of Denial! Well I am the 
waffle maker guy when my grand daughter is over, so gotta go! Your stuff 
completely cracks me up sometimes, too.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > I must admit a fondness for playing devil's advocate, to those playing 
> > devil's advocate. Who doesn't love popping balloons? As for who is allowed 
> > to post here, my intent is to express my perspective, more than shutting 
> > others down - except Ravi, recently, who pissed me off. 
> > 
> > I like getting past the stale crap, and the sacred cows, and move things 
> > along. I like a diversity of opinions here, and not just the tiresome rants 
> > against all things TM, that we hear so often. It smacks too much of railing 
> > against theism, imo, and has very little to do with seeing the world in a 
> > different way. 180 degree turns in perspective are nothing special, and 
> > lack any creativity.
> > 
> > There is an incurious and one-trick-pony aspect to much of what passes for 
> > argument around here, with Barry and Curtis. Pick a straw man, beat him to 
> > death, and if anyone objects, they are somehow deficient.
> > 
> > Has very little to do with the posted purpose of this forum. So when I can, 
> > I'll point out the obvious and hope that creates some space for other 
> > voices here. Is it altruism on my part? No way, just trying to keep things 
> > interesting. 
> 
> Well I, for one, appreciate your contributions, your sense of humour, your 
> spunk and who the hell cares if you're enlightened, schizophrenic, bipolar, 
> have had a lobotomy, are Einstein incarnate or are Mr Ed? Frankly, I don't 
> give a damn. You are who you are. You can call or think yourself whatever you 
> like. Labels mean very little to me. Especially labels that are impossible to 
> prove. Saying you are enlightened doesn't make you a laughing stock, it 
> doesn't mean you have to be a genius, it doesn't mean you are a millionaire 
> or better than anyone else and yet some here take such UMBRAGE at this small 
> self-proclaimed factoid. 
> 
> And many here who hate this idea about you are the very ones who claim TM and 
> anything else that smacks of cult or true belief is rubbish. You would think 
> that those who have 'moved on' from these things wouldn't care one way or 
> another since to them it is all a huge waste of time and all one big lie 
> anyway. Obviously, those that are most vitriolic when it comes to you Doc, 
> are those with some sort of past history or ax to grind. Since that was all 
> before my time here I will just take you for what I see and say, "Carry on, 
> wave your freak flag of enlightenment, it becomes you." And thanks for your 
> contributions to FFL.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > No problem Jim.  Speak your mind as you always do.  You feel you speak
> > > with authority of an awakened person, and I don't have a problem with
> > > that.  In many ways I find it refreshing.  I assume you were being
> > > facitious in suggesting that Curtis and Barry, and who knows who else,
> > > should be booted from the group.  But you said it anyway.  And for all I
> > > know you meant it.  Who cares if you did.  Perhaps in your view, those
> > > dissenting opinions are just too dangerous for others here.
> > > 
> > > I'd be tempted to say, that you'd think others might voice an objection
> > > to nablusoss comments, but I know well what to expect in reply to that. 
> > > I think his comments are pretty lame, and I put them in a different
> > > category than Barry, for example, calling people  "cunts".
> > > 
> > > Call me a hypocrite for that.  But please don't ask me defend that
> > > opinion.  That is reserved for those rare discussions here, where there
> > > is a genuine back and forth, instead of jockeying for position to
> > > deliver the next insult. Nothing against insults mind you.  But there
> > > are well delivered insults and then there are those with no creativity,
> > > just a mean spirited intent.
> > > 
> > > And yes, it is sort of funny to hear Judy declare such powers of
> > > discrimination for herself, (and Robin of course), that they are able to
> > > detect a certain deviousness that Curtis puts out, that is out of the
> > > range of detection of your average Joe.
> > > 
> > > Wouldn't you just  love,  just love to put that claim to a panel of
> > > experts.  Like it would make any difference.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Et tu, Steve?
> > > >
> > > > ...Cat's out of the bag - I have run up a pretty sizable tab on my
> > > credit card, purchasing large tins of fine caviar for Alex, and improved
> > > studio equipment for Rick

[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Now please tell us what was the deal on that? Why would they be afraid of 
> > > an eclipse and how did TM or its hidden and denied Hindu roots have a 
> > > hand in that?
> > 
> > Jyotish. It's a weird iron age belief that the movement of planets
> > against a random backdrop of stars has some sort of effect on our
> > lives. I know, crazy huh?
> > 
> > One of the things that was noticed is that sometimes the natural
> > order is upset, a comet appears during a war and forever on they
> > are seen as harbingers of doom when really they are just dirty
> > snowballs left over from the formation of the solar system. In
> > fact, there wouldn't be any water on Earth if it wasn't for comets.
> > This is why I prefer the new knowledge to the old. And was why I
> > didn't heed the TMOs advice and looked directly at comet Hale Bopp
> > when I was on a course in '97. One of the most beautiful things
> > I ever saw.
> > 
> > But anyway, jyotishees warn us that solar eclipses are "bad" times
> > and to witness one is to open your life to all sorts of bad karma
> > and demons that inhabit the world during times of temporary darkness.
> > I was working at UK HQ when the last full solar eclipse hit England.
> > I was highly excited at the chance to see one of natures miracles and
> > probably the ultimate free light show.
> > 
> > The head of TM europe (and a physics professor) warned us to stay
> > inside lest we reap the awful karmic dues you get from erm, standing
> > in a shadow (!) I was happy to point out the absurdity of being
> > scared, pointed out that the moon wasn't eating the sun and that even
> > if their was an astrological effect from witnessing an eclipse it
> > would be the same whether you were inside or out when it happened.
> > 
> > But these people aren't interested in logic or reason no matter how
> > much they go on about science. So, come the day I was the *only one*
> > on the roof of our rather stately home. Everyone else was cowering
> > in their offices. It was pathetic, my rapidly dwindling respect for
> > the intellectual underpinning of TM took a major hit that day.
> > 
> > And then I nearly blinded myself trying to take a photo of it
> > through a telephoto lens. Lucky there was no permanent damage, that would 
> > have been IT. Wouldn't have lived that one down
> 
> Ha,ha, great story, loved every word of it! You remind me of me sometimes. I 
> remember during my art major at MIU we always had to stop working in the 
> middle of the morning and sit and meditate for 10 minutes. I hated that. I 
> was right in the middle of come creative process and Michael Caine would say, 
> "Okay class, 10 minute meditation break." I remember standing there flatly 
> refusing to sit down, having a small hissy fit and Michael, being the cool 
> and very nice man he was, let me keep working while the rest of the class sat 
> and closed their eyes. Sometimes, this kind of thing just drove me CRAZY. I 
> mean, how many times do you have to sit and do nothing during the day? 
> Anyway, my point of this silly story is that I would have been right up on 
> the roof with you, enjoying that eclipse and probably would have come down 
> and pretended to be smitten with some sort of crazy or moon madness just to 
> jerk their chains.

Damn, I didn't think of that. I was probably too busy trying not to
spill hot water on myself or crash the car for a few days just in
case I got a "told you so"

PS, No one objected to you working when they were meditating? 
I probably would have done, I was fussy like that!

PPS, We had the real Michael Caine filming a movie at that very
academy. The movie was called "Quills" and also starred Kate 
Winslet, I got my best T-shirt on the day she was there I can tell
you. But she somehow failed to notice me.

Found a clip of the old place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrFu4owaED4

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dialogue - A proposal . . .

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> I didn't say he made 'em up, I believe he found some 
> that he liked and created some mumbo jumbo about them 
> like - Oh don't say it aloud, they don't have no 
> meaning etc
>
So, how many 'mantras' did you get from MMY? LoL!
 
> > > From my experience one mantra charged by a real Master 
> > > is all you need...
> > >
> mjackson74: 
> > Too bad the TM mantras came from the dime a dozen mantra 
> > bin in India and were not given by a "real" Master - unless 
> > by "real" you mean that he was a human being in a physical 
> > body...You are either the biggest liar since Marshy or you 
> > don't get out much...
> > 
> Well, I think we now know who the liars on FFL are. LoL!
> 
> Everyone knows that in TM, you get only one single bija 
> mantra and that the TM bija mantras came from SBS and the
> Shri Vidya scripture, the Sounaryalahari, by the Adi 
> Shankara. Talk about not getting out more, I discussed
> this with you in detail months ago. 
> 
> At this point all you're doing is harrasing the TMers on 
> the list - just cut out the bullshit. 
> 
> Maybe it's time for you to take a vacation from posting to 
> FFL, and in a year or ten, return here to dialog like an 
> honest man or a scholar - at present you are neither, Sir.
> 
> "And to be clear also, I never have even implied there is 
> anything wrong with bija mantras, I like mine, I like all 
> of them. Nor did I imply that the mantras were made up by
> Maharishi." - mjackson74
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/320724
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Michael Jackson]

The TMO





 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  
mjackson74:
> Jesus Buck!
> 
Jesus MJ! Who put a cob up your ass today? LoL!

> What will it take for you to realize that long meditation 
> isn't gonna redeem these hoods - they have supposedly 
> been doing TM-Sidhis since they were first taught, I mean 
> come on!
> 
> > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?  
> > >  And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is 
> > > going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and 
> > > folks in charge
> > >
> > 
> > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on. 
> >  Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with 
> > similar complaints about Girish. 
> > 

> > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > > the guy at the top.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > >
> 
> Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those 
> TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help 
> them heal.  This is really bad.
> 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for 
> > > > > > > > > everyone around it now,  for all the good people who work 
> > > > > > > > > properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and 
> > > > > > > > > achieve great things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and 
> > > > > > > > > > > mental torture.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident 
> > > > > > > > > > > earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back 
> > > > > > > > > > > to Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's 
> > > > > > > > > > > Commission (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate 
> > > > > > > > > > > w

[FairfieldLife] Re: CC - a stepping stone and Humpty Dumpty's purported Enlightenment

[doctordumbass]

Oh...The Do Nothing Critic is backyawn...how ya doin', jerk-off?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > I couldn't figure out why you were calling me fat, until 
> > you referred to my lame interview on BatGap - no diss 
> > on you, Rick. :-)
> > 
> > Yes, I was huge then, heavier than I have ever been - 
> > 260 lbs. plus.  Can you say WALRUS, man boobs, the whole 
> > thing?? I've lost all that weight and it was a fairly 
> > brief phase, brought on by eating as stress relief - 
> > obviously not an awesome coping mechanism. 
> 
> THIS is why a number of us refer to Jimbo as "turnip
> brain." He's giving the second-lamest "I'm so enlight-
> ened" interview ever to appear on Rick's site (the first 
> lamest being Ravi's, of course), and he's fat as a pig. 
> When asked about it, he says his corpulence was caused 
> by "eating as stress relief."
> 
> Tell me, oh brainwashed TM minions, isn't Maharishi's
> definition of CC/enlightenment being *FREE* from stress?
> 
> :-)
> 
> > Anyway, I don't look like that anymore. Longer hair, 
> > a lot less weight. 
> 
> Especially in the cranial cavity, it would seem. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> Jesus Buck!
> 
Jesus MJ! Who put a cob up your ass today? LoL!

> What will it take for you to realize that long meditation 
> isn't gonna redeem these hoods - they have supposedly 
> been doing TM-Sidhis since they were first taught, I mean 
> come on!
> 
> > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?  
> > >  And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is 
> > > going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and 
> > > folks in charge
> > >
> > 
> > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on. 
> >  Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with 
> > similar complaints about Girish. 
> > 

> > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > > the guy at the top.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > >
> 
> Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those 
> TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help 
> them heal.  This is really bad.
> 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for 
> > > > > > > > > everyone around it now,  for all the good people who work 
> > > > > > > > > properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and 
> > > > > > > > > achieve great things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and 
> > > > > > > > > > > mental torture.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident 
> > > > > > > > > > > earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back 
> > > > > > > > > > > to Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's 
> > > > > > > > > > > Commission (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate 
> > > > > > > > > > > with him.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her 
> > > > > > > > > > > husband take her along
> > > > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 16-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC

[doctordumbass]

No can do, Steve. I already stated my preference for giving someone a good 
(mental) kick in the butt, when appropriate. Sorry, wish you had told me sooner.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> I think the place would be a lot less interesting without your
> perspective Jim.  Perhaps  I sound like a prude when I say that sharp
> elbows are always going to be thrown, and people shoved and even knocked
> down.  But just don't hit below the belt.  That is considered
> unsportsmanlike, and in most situations will get you thrown out of the
> game.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> wrote:
> >
> > I must admit a fondness for playing devil's advocate, to those playing
> devil's advocate. Who doesn't love popping balloons? As for who is
> allowed to post here, my intent is to express my perspective, more than
> shutting others down - except Ravi, recently, who pissed me off.
> >
> > I like getting past the stale crap, and the sacred cows, and move
> things along. I like a diversity of opinions here, and not just the
> tiresome rants against all things TM, that we hear so often. It smacks
> too much of railing against theism, imo, and has very little to do with
> seeing the world in a different way. 180 degree turns in perspective are
> nothing special, and lack any creativity.
> >
> > There is an incurious and one-trick-pony aspect to much of what passes
> for argument around here, with Barry and Curtis. Pick a straw man, beat
> him to death, and if anyone objects, they are somehow deficient.
> >
> > Has very little to do with the posted purpose of this forum. So when I
> can, I'll point out the obvious and hope that creates some space for
> other voices here. Is it altruism on my part? No way, just trying to
> keep things interesting.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > No problem Jim. Speak your mind as you always do. You feel you speak
> > > with authority of an awakened person, and I don't have a problem
> with
> > > that. In many ways I find it refreshing. I assume you were being
> > > facitious in suggesting that Curtis and Barry, and who knows who
> else,
> > > should be booted from the group. But you said it anyway. And for all
> I
> > > know you meant it. Who cares if you did. Perhaps in your view, those
> > > dissenting opinions are just too dangerous for others here.
> > >
> > > I'd be tempted to say, that you'd think others might voice an
> objection
> > > to nablusoss comments, but I know well what to expect in reply to
> that.
> > > I think his comments are pretty lame, and I put them in a different
> > > category than Barry, for example, calling people "cunts".
> > >
> > > Call me a hypocrite for that. But please don't ask me defend that
> > > opinion. That is reserved for those rare discussions here, where
> there
> > > is a genuine back and forth, instead of jockeying for position to
> > > deliver the next insult. Nothing against insults mind you. But there
> > > are well delivered insults and then there are those with no
> creativity,
> > > just a mean spirited intent.
> > >
> > > And yes, it is sort of funny to hear Judy declare such powers of
> > > discrimination for herself, (and Robin of course), that they are
> able to
> > > detect a certain deviousness that Curtis puts out, that is out of
> the
> > > range of detection of your average Joe.
> > >
> > > Wouldn't you just love, just love to put that claim to a panel of
> > > experts. Like it would make any difference.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Et tu, Steve?
> > > >
> > > > ...Cat's out of the bag - I have run up a pretty sizable tab on my
> > > credit card, purchasing large tins of fine caviar for Alex, and
> improved
> > > studio equipment for Rick, not to mention paying for several yagyas
> at
> > > inflated Movement prices, to ensure that Curtis posted out last
> week,
> > > AND the bylaws of FFL Inc. will be modified, to my liking. Takes
> fire to
> > > fight fire!!
> > > >
> > > > No expense is too great to ensure that these forces of darkness do
> not
> > > contaminate FFL - I am seriously contemplating taking out a second
> > > mortgage, that the Good Fight escalate in earnest! Lobbying on the
> side
> > > of the angels!! Are you with me, or against me buddy??
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess it speaks to the power of Curtis that he can incite such
> > > hatred
> > > > > such that Nabby feels he must ramp up the insult level until he
> can
> > > get
> > > > > his desired response, and that Jim feels that Curtis should not
> be
> > > > > allowed to even post here, and that Curtis is so subtle in his
> > > > > deviousness that only a very trained eye can spot it.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex

Re: [FairfieldLife] "Knocking On Heaven's Door"TMO is now buying the door

[Michael Jackson]

To bad for the rest of the world he didn't stay there. 





 From: merudanda 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 12:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] "Knocking On Heaven's Door"TMO  is now buying the door
 

  
"Knocking On Heaven's Door"

Mama take this badge from me
I can't use it anymore
It's getting dark too dark to see
Feels like I'm knockin' on heaven's door

Buck's "Lamento mori"
>From a friend in India:
 Shah temple where Maharishi stayed when he left India in 1958. There is a 
famous picture of Maharishi in front of a door of the temple. 
The Movement in Malaysia is now buying the door as a reminder of Maharishi's 
first visit."

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 16-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC

[doctordumbass]

You tell me this NOW?! Oh, well foie gras it is...Have you marked up that draft 
legislation for the new FFL bylaws yet?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Et tu, Steve? 
> > 
> > ...Cat's out of the bag - I have run up a pretty sizable tab on
> > my credit card, purchasing large tins of fine caviar for Alex
> 
> Boy, was that ever a waste of money, although Petra is certainly enjoying it. 
> In Tony Bourdain's eyes, I must certainly be a cretin of the lowest order, as 
> I absolutely despise fish eggs and any kind of strong fishy-tasting fish. 
> Every time I watch Bourdain transcend on a bite of sea urchin, I throw up a 
> little, because that one piece of uni sushi was the single most disgusting 
> substance to ever pass my lips; I won't even dignify it by calling it food. 
> Ugh.
> 
> So, the next time you want to curry favor with me, Your Humble Almighty 
> Moderator, make it truffled foie gras.
>

[FairfieldLife] TMO - Part 4

[Michael Jackson]

The
Seventh Level of the Movement:

These
are the people who have a greater degree of mental independence from the
Movement than the Bliss Ninnys, yet they support the overall (deceitful) intent
of the Movement which is no longer personal enlightenment, no longer global
enlightenment but rather world peace through the so-called yogic flying
program. 

These
are the real enablers of the Movement because I believe they outnumber the TM 
True Believers who have no ability to discern truth from lies. The more 
independent
TM'ers are able to discern truth, but they give the Movement a free pass,
either ignoring Movement lies and various enormities or, if confronted with
overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, find excuses for the Movement behavior or
just blatantly saying "I don't care. I like TM and I think the Movement
does more good than bad, and I think the good the Movement does outweighs and
justifies its excesses and lies." Which is the same excuse they used to
justify their lack of holding Marshy accountable for his enormities. 

When
asked what good the Movement does, the response is usually the idea that one
day world peace will result from Movement activities or that it is good for
people to be introduced to the idea of freedom from attachment to the fruits of
activity through meditation. 

These
ridiculous notions ignore the fact that in nearly 60 years of TM practice and
38 years of TM Sidhi practice, the world is in much worse condition today than
it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that there
are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their physical,
mental, emotional and financial health. 

The
Global Country of World Peace

Marshy
created the global country of world peace where the ministers administer this
non-existent country from the level of awareness. Mostly what they administer
is PR about how grand TM and its ancillary programs how, how you can donate
money to the TM  Movement and how that
will one day create world peace. Enlightenment, once the corner stone of 
Marshy's
pitch to the world, is rarely if ever mentioned. 

One wonders
how, if we no longer are going to get enlightened, the practice of TM and its 
subsidiary
programs will create world peace. You would think that after all the talk of
enlightened leadership Marshy's Movement has done, one would need enlightened
leaders to create and administrate world peace. Instead we rely on groups of 
people
who have numerous personal problems themselves to create world peace with their
consciousness by flying together, although no one actually flies and if 
personal stories are to be believed, many perform other techniques in the 
groups, sleep or just look around when others are bouncing around.


While
I am all in favor of world peace, I don't believe it will be created by an
organization that has nothing more to offer than self-aggrandizement and the
opportunity to donate money for endless projects that never materialize. 


And that's the TM Movement.

[FairfieldLife] TMO - Part 3

[Michael Jackson]

Fourth
Level of the Movement:

There
are many other TM teachers (now Governors of the Age of Enlightenment) who were
not as close to Marshy but served on his staff. And yet more who functioned all
over the world doing the bidding of Marshy and whoever was his closest
lieutenant of the moment. These are the men and women who believe absolutely
that Marshy was enlightened, was a saint and was focused on bringing the entire
world into a mythical state of Vedic Oneness with All the Laws of Nature. 

These
are the men and women who carried out the orders of Marshy and the Movement,
ignoring or mentally justifying any experiences of behavior on the part of
Marshy and his minions at the top of the Movement that were not in keeping with
the high ideals the Movement always espoused. 


These are men and women who were
themselves often mistreated by people with greater power in the Movement, but
who continued to believe that Marshy's work was so important that they
themselves should accept whatever unfair or cruel treatment they were enduring
for the greater good of their own eventual enlightenment and the enlightenment
of the world. 

Fifth
Level of the Movement:

Regular
people who began as simple TM meditators and later became sidhas also helped to
keep the various TM Movement facilities around the world running smoothly. Some
of them with assets did so by giving large amounts of money to the Movement for
the many projects that Marshy repeatedly claimed would bring important good
things to the world. Most of the money was of course used for the pleasure of
Marshy and his family, and to build monuments to Marshy and his ego.

Other
people with no money or little money gave of their own physical labor and
expertise in staffing long term or for temporary time periods the various 
Movement
facilities and on various Movement related projects. Most of the time, these
people worked on a "volunteer" basis. This volunteer program allowed
the Movement to save itself, over time, hundreds of millions of dollars by not
paying people what they deserved for their labor, and enabled the Movement to 
create
one of the most egregious abuses of its history. 

In
the early days of the Movement, it may have paid some of the people who worked
for it, but soon the "volunteer" staff program was created. The term
volunteer was and is a contradiction in terms since if one wanted to work for
the TM Movement, the only choice one had was to work as an unpaid
"volunteer." The staff in TM facilities did receive small stipends of
perhaps fifty to three hundred dollars per month. 

The
lack of paying regular wages and salaries, the lack of workman's comp
insurance, the lack of benefits and retirement for any and all of the TM staff
including the professors at their university enabled the Movement to save many
millions of dollars, and would often result in people being cast aside with no
compensation of any kind when the people were no longer physically, emotionally 
or
financially able to serve the Movement. 

Far
from being an organization that uplifted people and made their lives better,
the TM Movement has been an organization that has used people up, putting them
in difficult situations physically, financially and emotionally. One of the
dirty secrets that is not so secret, yet one which the Movement has never been
willing to acknowledge, is the fact that often people who do TM have mental and
emotional problems from the practice. 


It is called "unstressing." In
many instances people who live and work in Movement facilities have begun to
manifest unstable mental and emotional states from doing TM. In such cases the
Movement asks them to leave. Being asked to leave is the extent of the care and 
affection the people who have built and maintained the Movement receive from 
the Movement when they are no longer able to actively serve the Movement.


Many
of these fifth level Movement people are also true believers who think that 
Marshy
can do no wrong, and that regardless of the excesses or omissions of the
Movement itself, they feel that the overall goal of world enlightenment is
worth what the Movement does to gain such a goal no matter what the cost to the
true believers.

The
Sixth Level of the Movement:

There
are a number of sidhas, governors and non-governor TM teachers who do not work
for the Movement, but believe TM is a good thing. These are the people who have
some degree of independence from the Movement, yet support the Movement in all
it does. These are the independent TM'ers who actually believe anything and
everything the TMO brings down the pike.

[FairfieldLife] TMO - Part 2

[Michael Jackson]

The Second Level of the TM Movement.
Behind the scenes of Marshy have always been his three
nephews, Anand and Ajay
Srivastava, and Girish Chandra Varma. These boys, after Marshy, have reaped the
majority of the financial rewards that Movement has taken in over the years.
They keep Movement's begging wheels spinning eternally.

The
Third Level of the Movement:
Marshy
always had various lieutenants such as Charlie Lutes, Jerry Jarvis and others
to do his bidding and carry out his orders. Some of them are dead, like Lutes
and others like Jerry irritated Marshy and were relegated to positions of
little importance or ejected from the Movement altogether. 

Others
have stood the test of time, like Bevan Morris, Neil Patterson and of course,
King Tony Nader. Of them all, Bevan has probably been with the Movement and was
with Marshy the longest without being dismissed for not playing along with
Marshy's demagoguery. Bevan was placed years ago in charge of one of the
Movement's largest cash cows, Maharishi International University, renamed for
some unknown reason as Maharishi University of Management which is a very
apropos name as it mainly exists to manage the flow of funds from the United 
States
to the TM Movement in Vlodrop, Holland and Marshy's India. 

People
in the Movement like Bevan, Neil and Tony were the greatest enablers of Marshy
and his enormities. They saw and either encouraged or condoned his lies. They
knew that he was directing most of the money the Movement raised into his own
hands and that of his family. Much worse in my opinion was each of his close
lieutenants seeing and knowing Marshy washaving sex with women while claiming 
to be a life-long celibate monk and
boldly telling both single and married women and men to be celibate, supposedly
so their evolution would not suffer.

In
light of the fact that Marshy was having sex with the same women he was
counseling, I believe he did it deliberately for two reasons – one reason was
to maintain the illusion that he was a holy man, a celibate monk and the other
reason was to make sure there was less competition for the women he targeted
for relationships and also to make sure they would be good and horny when he
came on to them.

[FairfieldLife] TMO - Part one

[Michael Jackson]

If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post
will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional and even though
I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious vein.

My Description of the TM Movement
The First Level of the Movement:
It
all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or deceitfully (take
your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste. This may have
been due to white folk not understanding the difference between kayastha and 
kshatriya.
Marshy
was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He was told by
the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular favorite of
the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy wandered 
around
for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the Swami he did
not have. 
Lying
from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as he called the
Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the knowledge of 
spiritual
freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in this life to
the people of the world. 
Marshy's
wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In England he
evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to learn wisdom at
his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce the ladies
who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment. 
Marshy
also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect as much as
he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide movement which was
dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention in the
afterhours was devoted to womankind. 
His
association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected publicity which
he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In those days his
pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would be. In a
pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him, he made hints
that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM. 
As
time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to concoct wilder
and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain their
personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from those of his
followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the times he was
not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men to satisfy
his sexual needs. 
Eventually,
even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting – enlightenment through TM,
levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program, perfect health
through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his brand of Indian
astrology, removal of "bad  karma" with Hindu sacrifices (yagas), he became 
increasingly
bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became increasingly
senile. 

Eventually
he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those who had
everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical state. And so he
died, reviled by those who saw through his façade, adored by those who
allowed the Vedic wool to be pulled over their eyes. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dialogue - A proposal . . .

[Michael Jackson]

I didn't say he made 'em up, I believe he found some that he liked and created 
some mumbo jumbo about them like - Oh don't say it aloud, they don't have no 
meaning etc





 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dialogue - A proposal . . .
 

  


> > From my experience one mantra charged by a real Master 
> > is all you need...
> >
mjackson74: 
> Too bad the TM mantras came from the dime a dozen mantra 
> bin in India and were not given by a "real" Master - unless 
> by "real" you mean that he was a human being in a physical 
> body...You are either the biggest liar since Marshy or you 
> don't get out much...
> 
Well, I think we now know who the liars on FFL are. LoL!

Everyone knows that in TM, you get only one single bija 
mantra and that the TM bija mantras came from SBS and the
Shri Vidya scripture, the Sounaryalahari, by the Adi 
Shankara. Talk about not getting out more, I discussed
this with you in detail months ago. 

At this point all you're doing is harrasing the TMers on 
the list - just cut out the bullshit. 

Maybe it's time for you to take a vacation from posting to 
FFL, and in a year or ten, return here to dialog like an 
honest man or a scholar - at present you are neither, Sir.

"And to be clear also, I never have even implied there is 
anything wrong with bija mantras, I like mine, I like all 
of them. Nor did I imply that the mantras were made up by
Maharishi." - mjackson74

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/320724


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The mystery of what causes Republicans and Conservatives solved

[Richard J. Williams]

> > > No, it's not mental retardation, although that could be a 
> > > factor. It's not walking. 
> > > 
> > > In this interesting article, a theory is proposed that 
> > > living in a town or city that is comfortable to walk around,
> > > and thus encourages walking, creates a vastly different 
> > > cognitive mapping through which we see the universe than
> > > does living in a place where you drive everywhere. I have
> > > certainly seen the truth of this living in Europe, which
> > > incidentally tends to produce people with more liberal
> > > views, *except* in the burbs where people live distanced
> > > from other people and have to drive wherever they're going.
> > > Interesting theory.
> > > 
> > > http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article03151301.aspx
> > 
> > So little towns with low crime-rates should be bastions 
> > of liberalism?
> > 
> > Yeah, right.
> >
turquoiseb:
> Do you have a reading deficiency? 
>
> In the cities, there is so much crime in many of them 
> that no one walks there, either, even in great walking 
> cities like San Francisco...
>
Let's see, the last time you were in San Francisco was
what, thirty years ago? I walked all over SF with my
grandkids just last year. Go figure.

Come to think of it, you haven't been much of anywhere
neatn lately. Go figure. As a military brat, I've walked 
the same streets you have and I can say without the least 
hesitation: I'm never going back to any of those big
shitholes.  LoL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: The mystery of what causes Republicans and Conservatives solved

[Richard J. Williams]

turquoiseb:
> No, it's not mental retardation, although that could be a 
> factor. It's not walking. 
> 
> In this interesting article, a theory is proposed that 
> living in a town or city that is comfortable to walk around,
> and thus encourages walking, creates a vastly different 
> cognitive mapping through which we see the universe than
> does living in a place where you drive everywhere. 
>
So, you can't afford a motor vehicle. Go figure. You going
to walk to Paris? What happened to your car that got '40' 
MPG. LoL! What I can't figure out is why you'd want to live
in a big city. Out here, I can walk for miles - don't need
no stinkin' sidewalk cafes or art galleries. Don't need no
brick shithouse either. LoL!

'The 10 happiest states in the U.S.'
http://tinyurl.com/b6ajxm3

> I have
> certainly seen the truth of this living in Europe, which
> incidentally tends to produce people with more liberal
> views, *except* in the burbs where people live distanced
> from other people and have to drive wherever they're going.
> Interesting theory.
> 
> http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article03151301.aspx
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dialogue - A proposal . . .

[Richard J. Williams]

> > From my experience one mantra charged by a real Master 
> > is all you need...
> >
mjackson74: 
> Too bad the TM mantras came from the dime a dozen mantra 
> bin in India and were not given by a "real" Master - unless 
> by "real" you mean that he was a human being in a physical 
> body...You are either the biggest liar since Marshy or you 
> don't get out much...
> 
Well, I think we now know who the liars on FFL are. LoL!

Everyone knows that in TM, you get only one single bija 
mantra and that the TM bija mantras came from SBS and the
Shri Vidya scripture, the Sounaryalahari, by the Adi 
Shankara. Talk about not getting out more, I discussed
this with you in detail months ago. 

At this point all you're doing is harrasing the TMers on 
the list - just cut out the bullshit. 

Maybe it's time for you to take a vacation from posting to 
FFL, and in a year or ten, return here to dialog like an 
honest man or a scholar - at present you are neither, Sir.

"And to be clear also, I never have even implied there is 
anything wrong with bija mantras, I like mine, I like all 
of them. Nor did I imply that the mantras were made up by
Maharishi." - mjackson74

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/320724

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.

[Share Long]

There's also Lelystad in Holland, about an hour from Utrecht.  My best friend 
lived there for a while and sent photos.  The housing looked pretty decent 
inside and out.  Nothing vastu but that was back in 2001.





 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get 
no punishment.
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> So were the sidhalands a nationwide or world wide thing? Were they supposed 
> to be constructed by volunteer labor and all that?

The UK has a sidhaland, in a place called Skelmersdale. Formed just after the 
siddhis were introduced so we would have somewhere to meditate together and get 
all the claimed group benefits from that.

It's in the cheapest place to live in the country, the north west.
A very deprived and miserable housing estate built to cope with
the overflow from Liverpool, and the weather is awful! But over
the years they made a nice little town with dome and a Marshy 
school. Quite an impressive achievement, I think it's the only
one outside FF.

Then one day they found out that the hill to the east is just a bit
too high and it delays the sunrise by minute or so. which is too
much for sthapatya ved, so no matter how east-facing your home is 
it will never make the grade sthapatya vedically so they are moving the town 
further west so they can get all the benefits from having
an extra minute of early morning sun. But it's all a bit academic as it never 
stops raining up there. 

I always thought it weird that SV says that it's OK for buildings
to block the sunrise but not the land, but there is much that is
highly odd about SV homes. I would like one though if only so I
could predict equinoxes with my gateposts, the only practical use
for them I can think of actually...


>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids 
> get no punishment.
> 
> 
>   
> Curtis returns in a week - In the meantime, I'll share my experiences. Curtis 
> I think was at the Florida location, where a guy died during the construction 
> phase. A group of about 30 of us were near Waverly, MO, and there was at 
> least one other project going on at the time, near St. Louis.
> 
> Basically a work/study program when I first went there. We had a 40 or so 
> room facility to design and build, and about 14 acres of organic strawberries 
> to plant and tend to, later adding the adjacent apple orchard for apple juice 
> production. Officially, the building we built was a Capital of the A of E, 
> and the agricultural stuff was the Siddhaland.
> 
> After six months of work, we got the siddhis, by attending the TM Center in 
> Kansas City, and doing the residence requirement for the flying block at MIU 
> (MUM). Then we returned to the facility for six more months.
> 
> It was austere to say the least, more so for the sidha-wannabes, than the 
> Guvs. We lived in a standalone garage. We did not have heat in the Winter, 
> except for coal,  nor hot water for bathing. The Guvs did. Same deal for any 
> cooling in the Summer. We didn't much care - we were a close group, working 
> long hours, rounding 2 x 2, and getting the hang of the TMSP while doing 
> either construction, or farming. 
> 
> I remember if you were fast, you could weed one and a half rows of 
> strawberries per day. They were big rows. Your hoe was your prize (lol). We 
> soon recognized which brands had a higher grade steel in the blade, and held 
> their edge. In the Winter, tending the berries meant tearing straw off of big 
> rolled bales on the back of a tractor, to insulate the plants. Dirty hard 
> work.
> 
> It was also a great experience to live with the Guvs up close. I remember a 
> couple of them we all liked, several who were total dicks, and the rest fell 
> somewhere in the middle. Certainly not a rousing advertisement for going on 
> TTC.
> 
> One day, while considering working for the Movement, I decided that instead 
> of working, I'd take my boombox, put on something loud - probably the Talking 
> Heads - and share it with everyone; sat in and around the main building with 
> the music cranked. Conclusion? TTC = oil, me = water.:-)
> 
> The next job I had was working at a commercial deep sea dive shop in Santa 
> Barbara, CA. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Wow! Well said, Curtis. Would you say a bit more about sidhaland? I was 
> > vaguely aware of it but I think that was after I had gotten free of TM. 
> > Where was it, what was it and what was it like living there? 
> > 
> > 
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lie is only a lie when it's about Judy or someone she likes

[Share Long]

I LOVE those fluffy references!  And was thinking about ping pong when 2 deer 
ran in front of my car.  I think it's a sign (-:
Hmmm, or maybe it's another allegory.  Anyway, I'm glad I don't owe apology.  I 
think it was the spewing comment that had me wondering.  Not that I think I'm 
the best FFL spewer by any stretch!





 From: navashok 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:12 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lie is only a lie when it's about Judy or 
someone she likes
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Uh oh.  navashok, do I owe you an apology? 

No, not at all. How comes you think that?

> sigh...Anyway, I don't know about eating marshmallows with a mouth full of 
> braces.  Could get very sticky.  Which is sort of the opposite of fluffy (-:

Yep, no I just thought you like those 'It's so fluffy references', and 
regarding the stuffing marshmallows and talking with a full mouth to the point 
of vomiting, I had somebody else in mind. You could say it is an allegory.

> 
>  From: navashok 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:43 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lie is only a lie when it's about Judy or 
> someone she likes
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > Nabby, from my side, Judy doesn't need to have any 'serious
> > > work' at all with us, she should just leave us alone, relax
> > > and enjoy life. I have other things to do, than engage her
> > > in meaningless discussions, or be engaged by her.
> > 
> > And he wonders why I say he's dishonest...
> > 
> > If you don't want to engage with me, Fluffy my boy, try
> > leaving *me* alone. Your most recent attempt to engage
> > with me didn't end so well for you, after all.
> > 
> > I'll get to your stupid sutra post tomorrow.
> 
> Oh thaat one, well, in the olden TM days they used to say, I have transcended 
> it already, it went out of my mind. Judy, do you ever transcend? I think not. 
> 
> Now get your mouth as full as you want, I won't play with you this week. Feel 
> free to speak your soul, say any contrived and twisted bullshit you like, 
> from you brezel mind, feel that you have won every argument, tell lies to 
> your hearts content. I give you free license and won't come back to it, 
> promise.
> 
> I'd rather ping pong with Share :-)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxnfBTI3Bzc
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Now please tell us what was the deal on that? Why would they be afraid of 
> > an eclipse and how did TM or its hidden and denied Hindu roots have a hand 
> > in that?
> 
> Jyotish. It's a weird iron age belief that the movement of planets
> against a random backdrop of stars has some sort of effect on our
> lives. I know, crazy huh?
> 
> One of the things that was noticed is that sometimes the natural
> order is upset, a comet appears during a war and forever on they
> are seen as harbingers of doom when really they are just dirty
> snowballs left over from the formation of the solar system. In
> fact, there wouldn't be any water on Earth if it wasn't for comets.
> This is why I prefer the new knowledge to the old. And was why I
> didn't heed the TMOs advice and looked directly at comet Hale Bopp
> when I was on a course in '97. One of the most beautiful things
> I ever saw.
> 
> But anyway, jyotishees warn us that solar eclipses are "bad" times
> and to witness one is to open your life to all sorts of bad karma
> and demons that inhabit the world during times of temporary darkness.
> I was working at UK HQ when the last full solar eclipse hit England.
> I was highly excited at the chance to see one of natures miracles and
> probably the ultimate free light show.
> 
> The head of TM europe (and a physics professor) warned us to stay
> inside lest we reap the awful karmic dues you get from erm, standing
> in a shadow (!) I was happy to point out the absurdity of being
> scared, pointed out that the moon wasn't eating the sun and that even
> if their was an astrological effect from witnessing an eclipse it
> would be the same whether you were inside or out when it happened.
> 
> But these people aren't interested in logic or reason no matter how
> much they go on about science. So, come the day I was the *only one*
> on the roof of our rather stately home. Everyone else was cowering
> in their offices. It was pathetic, my rapidly dwindling respect for
> the intellectual underpinning of TM took a major hit that day.
> 
> And then I nearly blinded myself trying to take a photo of it
> through a telephoto lens. Lucky there was no permanent damage, that would 
> have been IT. Wouldn't have lived that one down

Ha,ha, great story, loved every word of it! You remind me of me sometimes. I 
remember during my art major at MIU we always had to stop working in the middle 
of the morning and sit and meditate for 10 minutes. I hated that. I was right 
in the middle of come creative process and Michael Caine would say, "Okay 
class, 10 minute meditation break." I remember standing there flatly refusing 
to sit down, having a small hissy fit and Michael, being the cool and very nice 
man he was, let me keep working while the rest of the class sat and closed 
their eyes. Sometimes, this kind of thing just drove me CRAZY. I mean, how many 
times do you have to sit and do nothing during the day? Anyway, my point of 
this silly story is that I would have been right up on the roof with you, 
enjoying that eclipse and probably would have come down and pretended to be 
smitten with some sort of crazy or moon madness just to jerk their chains.
> 
> 
> > 
> >  From: salyavin808 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 1:09 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > I enjoy your sense of humor, puns and all, even if we're on different 
> > > sides of the fence about TM, TMO, etc.  But I admit it is a stretch to 
> > > picture you as a tough administrator, sending a screamer home (-:
> > 
> > Ooh yes Share, beware getting on the wrong side of me ;-)
> > 
> > > I started TM in March 1975 and came to MIU 6 months later.  I was 
> > > totally clueless!  Now I've been around for over 35 years and lived in 
> > > FF for the last 8 years, before that was on campus for 14 years either on 
> > > staff or as a graduate student.  My point is that I'm not a newbie to 
> > > all this.  And as I've gotten older I think I've become more 
> > > accepting, more realistic.  And I know something about organizations 
> > > and life on this planet.  So I have ceased to look for perfection or a 
> > > lack of flaws in anyone or any group.  Heck I think such would be 
> > > pretty boring anyway.  Maybe one way to say it is that my boundaries 
> > > are simply different than those of some others here on FFL.  That also 
> > > enhances life's richness (-:    
> > 
> > Accepting and realistic? You mean you put up with more crap?
> > 
> > I held the TMO to the standards they claimed for themselves and
> > as such our working relationship didn't last very long! It's all
> > very well claimi

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I thought I was jaded, but I am still amazed at some of the insane stuff the 
> hard core TMO people will do and put up with.

You've got to admire the dedication!

I can correct myself here, there are two sidhalands in the UK.
The other is in Suffolk and is fully SV. I don't like it - not
from any prejudice, a nice house is a nice house to me - but
because when I walk around it feels creepy like I'm being watched.
I think it's because of the grid system, every window lines up
with every other window and it feels most odd. Be no surprise if 
the crime rate stays low!

I couldn't live there, I prefer an organic sprawl in a town where
you can trace its history. Shame they aren't invincible though :D
 
> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:19 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids 
> get no punishment.
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > So were the sidhalands a nationwide or world wide thing? Were they supposed 
> > to be constructed by volunteer labor and all that?
> 
> The UK has a sidhaland, in a place called Skelmersdale. Formed just after the 
> siddhis were introduced so we would have somewhere to meditate together and 
> get all the claimed group benefits from that.
> 
> It's in the cheapest place to live in the country, the north west.
> A very deprived and miserable housing estate built to cope with
> the overflow from Liverpool, and the weather is awful! But over
> the years they made a nice little town with dome and a Marshy 
> school. Quite an impressive achievement, I think it's the only
> one outside FF.
> 
> Then one day they found out that the hill to the east is just a bit
> too high and it delays the sunrise by minute or so. which is too
> much for sthapatya ved, so no matter how east-facing your home is 
> it will never make the grade sthapatya vedically so they are moving the town 
> further west so they can get all the benefits from having
> an extra minute of early morning sun. But it's all a bit academic as it never 
> stops raining up there. 
> 
> I always thought it weird that SV says that it's OK for buildings
> to block the sunrise but not the land, but there is much that is
> highly odd about SV homes. I would like one though if only so I
> could predict equinoxes with my gateposts, the only practical use
> for them I can think of actually...
> 
> 
> >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:23 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids 
> > get no punishment.
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Curtis returns in a week - In the meantime, I'll share my experiences. 
> > Curtis I think was at the Florida location, where a guy died during the 
> > construction phase. A group of about 30 of us were near Waverly, MO, and 
> > there was at least one other project going on at the time, near St. Louis.
> > 
> > Basically a work/study program when I first went there. We had a 40 or so 
> > room facility to design and build, and about 14 acres of organic 
> > strawberries to plant and tend to, later adding the adjacent apple orchard 
> > for apple juice production. Officially, the building we built was a Capital 
> > of the A of E, and the agricultural stuff was the Siddhaland.
> > 
> > After six months of work, we got the siddhis, by attending the TM Center in 
> > Kansas City, and doing the residence requirement for the flying block at 
> > MIU (MUM). Then we returned to the facility for six more months.
> > 
> > It was austere to say the least, more so for the sidha-wannabes, than the 
> > Guvs. We lived in a standalone garage. We did not have heat in the Winter, 
> > except for coal,  nor hot water for bathing. The Guvs did. Same deal for 
> > any cooling in the Summer. We didn't much care - we were a close group, 
> > working long hours, rounding 2 x 2, and getting the hang of the TMSP while 
> > doing either construction, or farming. 
> > 
> > I remember if you were fast, you could weed one and a half rows of 
> > strawberries per day. They were big rows. Your hoe was your prize (lol). We 
> > soon recognized which brands had a higher grade steel in the blade, and 
> > held their edge. In the Winter, tending the berries meant tearing straw off 
> > of big rolled bales on the back of a tractor, to insulate the plants. Dirty 
> > hard work.
> > 
> > It was also a great experience to live with the Guvs up close. I remember a 
> > couple of them we all liked, several who were total dicks, and the rest 
> > fell somewhere in the middle. Certainly not a rousing advertisement for 
> > going on TTC.
> > 
> > One day, while considering working for the Movement, I decided that instead 
> > of working, I'd take my boombox, put 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 16-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> I must admit a fondness for playing devil's advocate, to those playing 
> devil's advocate. Who doesn't love popping balloons? As for who is allowed to 
> post here, my intent is to express my perspective, more than shutting others 
> down - except Ravi, recently, who pissed me off. 
> 
> I like getting past the stale crap, and the sacred cows, and move things 
> along. I like a diversity of opinions here, and not just the tiresome rants 
> against all things TM, that we hear so often. It smacks too much of railing 
> against theism, imo, and has very little to do with seeing the world in a 
> different way. 180 degree turns in perspective are nothing special, and lack 
> any creativity.
> 
> There is an incurious and one-trick-pony aspect to much of what passes for 
> argument around here, with Barry and Curtis. Pick a straw man, beat him to 
> death, and if anyone objects, they are somehow deficient.
> 
> Has very little to do with the posted purpose of this forum. So when I can, 
> I'll point out the obvious and hope that creates some space for other voices 
> here. Is it altruism on my part? No way, just trying to keep things 
> interesting. 

Well I, for one, appreciate your contributions, your sense of humour, your 
spunk and who the hell cares if you're enlightened, schizophrenic, bipolar, 
have had a lobotomy, are Einstein incarnate or are Mr Ed? Frankly, I don't give 
a damn. You are who you are. You can call or think yourself whatever you like. 
Labels mean very little to me. Especially labels that are impossible to prove. 
Saying you are enlightened doesn't make you a laughing stock, it doesn't mean 
you have to be a genius, it doesn't mean you are a millionaire or better than 
anyone else and yet some here take such UMBRAGE at this small self-proclaimed 
factoid. 

And many here who hate this idea about you are the very ones who claim TM and 
anything else that smacks of cult or true belief is rubbish. You would think 
that those who have 'moved on' from these things wouldn't care one way or 
another since to them it is all a huge waste of time and all one big lie 
anyway. Obviously, those that are most vitriolic when it comes to you Doc, are 
those with some sort of past history or ax to grind. Since that was all before 
my time here I will just take you for what I see and say, "Carry on, wave your 
freak flag of enlightenment, it becomes you." And thanks for your contributions 
to FFL.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > No problem Jim.  Speak your mind as you always do.  You feel you speak
> > with authority of an awakened person, and I don't have a problem with
> > that.  In many ways I find it refreshing.  I assume you were being
> > facitious in suggesting that Curtis and Barry, and who knows who else,
> > should be booted from the group.  But you said it anyway.  And for all I
> > know you meant it.  Who cares if you did.  Perhaps in your view, those
> > dissenting opinions are just too dangerous for others here.
> > 
> > I'd be tempted to say, that you'd think others might voice an objection
> > to nablusoss comments, but I know well what to expect in reply to that. 
> > I think his comments are pretty lame, and I put them in a different
> > category than Barry, for example, calling people  "cunts".
> > 
> > Call me a hypocrite for that.  But please don't ask me defend that
> > opinion.  That is reserved for those rare discussions here, where there
> > is a genuine back and forth, instead of jockeying for position to
> > deliver the next insult. Nothing against insults mind you.  But there
> > are well delivered insults and then there are those with no creativity,
> > just a mean spirited intent.
> > 
> > And yes, it is sort of funny to hear Judy declare such powers of
> > discrimination for herself, (and Robin of course), that they are able to
> > detect a certain deviousness that Curtis puts out, that is out of the
> > range of detection of your average Joe.
> > 
> > Wouldn't you just  love,  just love to put that claim to a panel of
> > experts.  Like it would make any difference.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Et tu, Steve?
> > >
> > > ...Cat's out of the bag - I have run up a pretty sizable tab on my
> > credit card, purchasing large tins of fine caviar for Alex, and improved
> > studio equipment for Rick, not to mention paying for several yagyas at
> > inflated Movement prices, to ensure that Curtis posted out last week,
> > AND the bylaws of FFL Inc. will be modified, to my liking. Takes fire to
> > fight fire!!
> > >
> > > No expense is too great to ensure that these forces of darkness do not
> > contaminate FFL - I am seriously contemplating taking out a second
> > mortgage, that the Good Fight escalate in earnest! Lobbying on the side
> > of the angels!! Are you with me, or against me buddy??
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma following in his uncle's footsteps?

[Michael Jackson]

No he wasn't - but Mark Landau told me about a year after he left the Movement, 
a friend of his who was close to those involved told him that Marshy had 
attempted to engineer a political assassination.  

He would not give me details tho he did say he knew who the target
 was and that he would not have put it past Marshy to do such a thing. 

He also said Marshy's whole family were kind of a low level Indian mafia clan - 
not real hard core, but some of them were "slimy" - he made that statement 
about one of Marshy's uncles in particular. 

The apples don't fall far from the tree
 - mark my words folks, this is just the tip of the iceberg - there is more to 
come about Marshy's relatives and the Movement leaders - its just like 
Shakespeare said in the Merchant of Venice, "...truth will come to light; 
murder cannot be hid long;
 a man's son
may, but at the length truth will out."





 From: sparaig 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma following in his uncle's footsteps?
 

  
I don't think Maharishi was ever arrested for trying to kill someone.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out...

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> But in a much more heavy-handed fashion:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-07/bhopal/37531182_1_mol
> estation-deputy-director-complaint
> 
> 
> 
> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_mol
> estation-husband-complaint
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/state-editions/bhopal/133235-secy-of-maharishi-i
> nstitute-didnt-turn-up-for-hearing.html
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Michael Jackson]

Buck, it is just Maharishi's legacy - I have always said here on FFL that when 
someone, anyone creates something the energy with which they create it finds 
its way to the furthest reaches of the creation. Maharishi  created the 
Movement with deceit, and to further his own lusts for money, power and sex. 
His lieutenants and relatives learned from him by example and energetically. 
The current situation is an inevitable outcome of such a creation - expect more 
to come over the years.

I notice that Nabby, Merlin and the good Doctor are not making any comments 
about one of 
their own following faithfully in Marshy's foot steps - how about it 
Nabby-Merlin-Doc? Whadda think of Marshy's nephew, given the fact that he has 
been doing TM-Sidhi programme for how many decades???

And is this being talked about 'round the Dome Buck?





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  
In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
guideline for its employees and officers?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, 
> there's gonna be trouble.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it 
> > now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to 
> > make things work well and achieve great things.  This is disheartening 
> > sickening.
> > 
> > >
> > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > 
> > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in
> > > > Bhopal
> > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > group
> > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture.
> > > > 
> > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year 
> > > > at
> > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal 
> > > > couple of
> > > > days ago.
> > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) 
> > > > alleging
> > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the
> > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him.
> > > > 
> > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her 
> > > > along
> > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was
> > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on 
> > > > errands
> > > > and then molest her.
> > > > 
> > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it
> > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a
> > > > complaint.
> > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to
> > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he 
> > > > sent
> > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image 
> > > > on
> > > > social networking sites.
> > > > 
> > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dialogue - A proposal . . .

[Michael Jackson]

"From my experience one mantra charged by a real Master is all you need."

Too bad the TM mantras came from the dime a dozen mantra bin in India and were 
not given by a "real" Master - unless by "real" you mean that he was a human 
being in a physical body

"Personally I've never
 encountered an unfulfilled soul who patiently stayed with his TM-mantra."

You are either the biggest liar since Marshy or you don't get out much.





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:03 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dialogue - A proposal . . .
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 03/11/2013 02:08 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >> Maybe because I'm interested in mantra shastra?  Maybe because I wanted
> >> to learn more than what the rather limited TMO had to offer?  Maybe
> >> because I know about other paths and have friends in those paths who did
> >> learn more?
> >>
> >> Believe what you want to believe.
> >
> > It's all just an illusion anyway. :-D
> >
> >
> > Is it ? If that's where mantra shastra got you I'll say no thanks :-)
> >
> >
> 
> The ability to use any mantra, how to activate them and give them to 
> others.  Not mention a bunch of tantric siddhis and a very powerful guru 
> mantra.
> 
> Whatever rocks your boat.  But I suspect that if the TMO announced 
> tomorrow a course to teach all this you'd be the first in line. ;-)

Which will never happen, at least not in my lifetime. From my experience one 
mantra charged by a real Master is all you need. Personally I've never 
encountered an unfulfilled soul who patiently stayed with his TM-mantra. 
Amongst the quitters there are numerous, as this forums shows. 
Like with everything else, mastering an instrument for example, it takes 
perseverance to reach anywhere noteable. Using a mantra is no exception. 
Swapping mantras, like swapping instruments, will make you master of none, 
unless ofcourse you have unlimited amount of time.
This is my POV ofcourse. If you gained something valuable, siddhis doesn't 
really count in the big picture, then fine. Enjoy !


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old

[Michael Jackson]

What part of NC???




 From: seekliberation 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
 

  
Pitbull over a poodle?  If you're looking for a sparring partner, i'm in NC, 
let me know if you visit.  To keep things legal, gloves, headgear, mouthpiece 
are required and we'll maintain our sparring bout in a controlled environment 
(boxing ring, wrestling mat, etc..).  I travel a lot, so chances are I may end 
up in your state some day as well. 

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> You are a fucking idiot seeklib - take your fence-sitting, garbage
> platitude belief system elsewhere or have an orgy with Xeno.
> 
> Clearly you have read my posts but it hasn't gone into your fucking head
> because of the dense fucking belief system you have insulated yourselves
> with. I don't take insults - I'm a fucking giver you hear me, I am
> compassionate you dumb moron - I give, I give insults and am the most
> coolest, meanest, relaxed person and I hope you are fortunate enough to
> never meet me because I will be all over you like a pitbull over a poodle.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM, seekliberation
> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > dude, take something to relax, soon. I never mentioned anything about
> > 'mediocre minds', only 'mediocre posts'. I don't know any 'mediocre minds'
> > on this forum at all, but have seen many mediocre posts.
> >
> > For example, TurqB is by no means a dunce when it comes to his depth of
> > thought on some subjectsbe he has a lot of mediocre posts where he does
> > nothing but rant about something (or someone) who is irritating him on FFL.
> > That's my example of a mediocre post. Or in your case, ranting and refering
> > to me as an idiot, another mediocre post. I've read a lot of your posts and
> > know you have a lot better things to share than that.
> >
> > I remember there was a time when FFL first started, it was primarily about
> > topics regarding spirituality, religion, and it's all the philisophical
> > topics that I miss. In the last 2-3 years, maybe even longer, it has become
> > a soap opera. In every soap opera, you've got your romances (bonds between
> > specific posters), you have your villian (TurqB), and you've got several
> > other posters who seem to come off as positive or negative, depending on
> > everyone's perception. As a result, we have a lot of dull episodes that
> > drag on, in which case I tend to stop participating. Then something that
> > looks deep or thoughtful comes along (or just something that resonates with
> > me), and I like to throw in a sentance or two that results in several
> > responses. I'm not irritated by it, I just recognize it for what it is. Not
> > every class at MIU/MUM was the greatest, but there were pearls of wisdom
> > often enough. Not every moment with my wife, nor every workout at the gym
> > is awesomebut i'll always stick with it.
> >
> > So if you took insultrelax. It's just another lifetime.
> >
> > seekliberation
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh seeklib - you are a fucking saint dude - where the fuck have you have
> > been while we mediocre minds were going batshit crazy. Have you ever met
> > Xeno - I have a feeling you two idiots will totally love each other.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:56 AM, "seekliberation" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Regarding 'same old, same old', I can't say i've seen much over the
> > last several years that doesn't fall into that category. I will say
> > however, the last 2 days of looking at posts has been somewhat atrocious.
> > Rather than being a deep discussion about some philisophical point, it
> > turned into a ridiculous game of ping-pong. But then again, nothing can be
> > great all the time. There will always be dull moments, exciting moments,
> > and mediocre moments in anything. FFL is certainly no exception, and
> > therefore nothing to really complain about.
> > > >
> > > > seekliberation
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I find it difficult to believe that anyone can see the
> > > > > events of the last few days on FFL as anything other than
> > > > > the same people repeating the same things they've done
> > > > > for years.
> > > > >
> > > > > First, Judy attempts to lure Curtis into one of her long,
> > > > > "I win by definition" arguments by *appearing* to ask
> > > > > reasonable questions. Then Curtis falls for it, and tries
> > > > > his best to address her questions, while respecting the
> > > > > fact that she sees things that way, given her near-absolute
> > > > > lack of experience within the TMO, and that she is trying
> > > > > her best to pretend that the reality of the TMO and the
> > > > > things it teaches are the same as that presented in the
> > > > > intro lectures.
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.

[Michael Jackson]

I thought I was jaded, but I am still amazed at some of the insane stuff the 
hard core TMO people will do and put up with.





 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get 
no punishment.
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> So were the sidhalands a nationwide or world wide thing? Were they supposed 
> to be constructed by volunteer labor and all that?

The UK has a sidhaland, in a place called Skelmersdale. Formed just after the 
siddhis were introduced so we would have somewhere to meditate together and get 
all the claimed group benefits from that.

It's in the cheapest place to live in the country, the north west.
A very deprived and miserable housing estate built to cope with
the overflow from Liverpool, and the weather is awful! But over
the years they made a nice little town with dome and a Marshy 
school. Quite an impressive achievement, I think it's the only
one outside FF.

Then one day they found out that the hill to the east is just a bit
too high and it delays the sunrise by minute or so. which is too
much for sthapatya ved, so no matter how east-facing your home is 
it will never make the grade sthapatya vedically so they are moving the town 
further west so they can get all the benefits from having
an extra minute of early morning sun. But it's all a bit academic as it never 
stops raining up there. 

I always thought it weird that SV says that it's OK for buildings
to block the sunrise but not the land, but there is much that is
highly odd about SV homes. I would like one though if only so I
could predict equinoxes with my gateposts, the only practical use
for them I can think of actually...


>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids 
> get no punishment.
> 
> 
>   
> Curtis returns in a week - In the meantime, I'll share my experiences. Curtis 
> I think was at the Florida location, where a guy died during the construction 
> phase. A group of about 30 of us were near Waverly, MO, and there was at 
> least one other project going on at the time, near St. Louis.
> 
> Basically a work/study program when I first went there. We had a 40 or so 
> room facility to design and build, and about 14 acres of organic strawberries 
> to plant and tend to, later adding the adjacent apple orchard for apple juice 
> production. Officially, the building we built was a Capital of the A of E, 
> and the agricultural stuff was the Siddhaland.
> 
> After six months of work, we got the siddhis, by attending the TM Center in 
> Kansas City, and doing the residence requirement for the flying block at MIU 
> (MUM). Then we returned to the facility for six more months.
> 
> It was austere to say the least, more so for the sidha-wannabes, than the 
> Guvs. We lived in a standalone garage. We did not have heat in the Winter, 
> except for coal,  nor hot water for bathing. The Guvs did. Same deal for any 
> cooling in the Summer. We didn't much care - we were a close group, working 
> long hours, rounding 2 x 2, and getting the hang of the TMSP while doing 
> either construction, or farming. 
> 
> I remember if you were fast, you could weed one and a half rows of 
> strawberries per day. They were big rows. Your hoe was your prize (lol). We 
> soon recognized which brands had a higher grade steel in the blade, and held 
> their edge. In the Winter, tending the berries meant tearing straw off of big 
> rolled bales on the back of a tractor, to insulate the plants. Dirty hard 
> work.
> 
> It was also a great experience to live with the Guvs up close. I remember a 
> couple of them we all liked, several who were total dicks, and the rest fell 
> somewhere in the middle. Certainly not a rousing advertisement for going on 
> TTC.
> 
> One day, while considering working for the Movement, I decided that instead 
> of working, I'd take my boombox, put on something loud - probably the Talking 
> Heads - and share it with everyone; sat in and around the main building with 
> the music cranked. Conclusion? TTC = oil, me = water.:-)
> 
> The next job I had was working at a commercial deep sea dive shop in Santa 
> Barbara, CA. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Wow! Well said, Curtis. Would you say a bit more about sidhaland? I was 
> > vaguely aware of it but I think that was after I had gotten free of TM. 
> > Where was it, what was it and what was it like living there? 
> > 
> > 
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Childhood Traumas addressed

[Michael Jackson]

there were plenty of actual traumas - I just found it amusing that Share would 
think some crap from childhood had something to do with my feelings about TMO 
etc, so I was writing it in jest, tho all the events I mentioned did happen - I 
left out the time my brother and go-kart Jack set the woods behind our house on 
fire - they said it was an accident, but Jack's Old Man really did whip his 
behind in front of the whole neighborhood with a hair brush - seeing the woods 
a solid shet of flame did freak me out, but the local fire dept did a fine job 
putting it out





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Childhood Traumas addressed
 

  
Hey MJ,
Nice post.  It sounds like you had a pretty wonderful childhood.  I feel the 
same about mine.  
For the record, I only recall my dad hitting me once with a belt, and I think  
he got in trouble for that from my mom.
Although I do recall my mom washing my mouth out with soap once.  You're not 
likely to forget that.
But I'll make a pact with you, and maybe it will be just a one way pact, from 
me to you.  If I discover the source of the many issues I feel I still have, I 
will share that with you.  And maybe, you, if you find that, inspite of your 
wonderful childhood, you still have issues, you can share that with me.
I'll start.  My older sister did bully me some.  Do you think that ever happens 
in a family?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> In several posts in the past, Share has said or implied that my attitude 
> toward the Movement is due to some sort of unhealed childhood trauma.
> 
> You are right Share. I was traumatized many times as a child. 
> 
> 
> I was traumatized the time my red-neck daddy took me, my brother, my sister 
> and our mother on vacation to a place called Sycamore Flats in Pisgah 
> National Forest. It happened to be a day when a large group of black people, 
> probably a family reunion, was there enjoying the river. We were the ONLY 
> white faces in the place - the Old Man was so shocked to see all those black 
> folks in bathing suits that he whipped our Ford Plymouth station wagon around 
> and hauled ass so fast the whiplash traumatized me. 
> 
> I was traumatized that my mother would fix us sausage and eggs scrambled 
> together for breakfast.
> 
> I was traumatized when, on the rare occasions it snowed, Momma would turn the 
> stove on when we came in with cold feet, open the oven door and let us sit 
> with our feet on the door to warm our feet up quick, while Momma made 
> snowcream from the fresh snow we brought in.
> 
> It was extra trauma when Momma would make me put the fresh doughnuts she had 
> just made into a brown paper bag with cinnamon and sugar in it and shake the 
> doughnuts around till they were well covered and I was forced to eat all I 
> wanted of the fresh, warm cinnamon and sugar doughnuts.
> 
> I was traumatized when my dog would sleep with me at night and give me extra 
> attention when I was sick.
> 
> I was really traumatized when we would go visit my great grandmother in 
> Marshville North Carolina and she would always
> have these
> amazing fried apple pies she made just for me, a whole platter full of them.
> 
> It was supremely traumatic the Christmas I was sweating bullets over whether 
> or not Santy Claws was going to bring me the Ft. Apache set I so desperately 
> craved. The old geezer came through tho.
> 
> Also traumatic was the little library in Laurens, SC where I spent hours at a 
> time in my kid-hood - it had stone tables on one side right by a clear stream 
> with minnows that my best friend and I would play in after spending an hour 
> or two in the library. Also traumatic that I discovered the Lord of the Rings 
> when I was twelve there. 
> 
> I was traumatized every Saturday to have to watch Shock Theater, a show that 
> showcased old horror movies like (my favorite) Frankenstein Meets the 
> Wolfman, on our old black and white tv on Channel 13. 
> 
> Extra trauma was experienced having to climb part way up the pear tree at the 
> edge of our yard to get ripe pears. 
> 
> We (me
> and my
> brother) did
> have
> some fine trauma when the Old Man whipped our asses for digging a big hole in 
> the back yard and filling it with water to make mud for a mud fight.
> 
> It was shore nuff traumatic, when having committed various violations of home 
> rules, we would be sent out in the summer to "cut a switch" with which the 
> Old Man would whip our asses. This in the summer left visible welts on our 
> legs (cause we always wore shorts) that the other kids in the neighborhood 
> would mock us for. Lest you think this was ACTUALLY traumatic, EVERY kid in 
> our neighborhood would show up with summer leg welts from being switched by 
> their parents at some time or other, so the mocking was eventually equally 
> distributed. This was stand