Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
On 6/26/2013 9:12 PM, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Judy, Thank you - you are right, because I feel I am the only one here who could perhaps intuitively understand Robin's experiences. I myself mercilessly, ruthlessly confronted many while being mystically intoxicated and I know from my end I was perfectly innocent, in my heart and lot of these confrontations caused tremendous distress to me - because I confronted in-spite of myself, and I did apologize to a few who chose to not shy away from me - many simply cut off contact and in most cases my confrontations were accurate, as in I hurt people where they were most vulnerable - as in using Robinesque language - I methodically attacked, in a state of transcendence, their subject reflexes which were a mode of self-protection these people had constructed which seemingly insulated them from reality and from self-knowledge. Yes - I have read both the posts that you have mentioned below in the past and now again. I cannot entirely understand Robin's experiences and I may not even agree with his interpretations and conclusions of his UC experiences but my comments can be treated as my own interpretation, based on my experiences, understanding as of today rather than some objective truth and of course my focus was on Robin of today than Robin of the past. Because clearly my opinion of Robin of the past would always be tainted, whereas I have clear personal experiences of Robin, as he is today. May be reality was more merciful in my case, showing my infallibility and invulnerability quite early on. But one thing is hard to disagree - the degree of invincibility you feel during a confrontation. I don't have to necessarily be highly mystically intoxicated to feel my invincibility in a potential confrontation with anyone. Hope I made sense - clearly I'm not as articulate as Robin, am I :-) Yes, in your own way you are Ravi. Dear Ann - thank you, a lot can be said on this topic but I will try my best to present a concise summary. I did not know of your history as others here do. I stumbled onto this forum just after you became absent from FFL in January 2012. But your explanation above of your experience confronting others is fascinating. Yes you missed all that drama. A post by Robin would be a good start here - but of course it's from a long time back and it doesn't present a complete picture of who I am now - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/298518. It is certainly fascinating. Robin's analysis was based on my posts on FFL, and most of my experiences, that have been more personal and/or distressing were outside of FFL. In fact in Dec 2011 I confronted someone, outside of FFL, someone who I fell in love with and it was not my intention at all, this was so distressing that I personally went through lot of pain for several months. In fact I felt used, felt manipulated, that I was somehow coerced to confront (by whom, I have no answer) - I pretty much spent 7 months in solitude trying to get a grip on it and Robin, of course was a great help. Without his guidance it would have been so much harder. Of course, having been present at hundreds of confrontations, including a few of my own, around Robin I am pretty familiar with how they went; the tracking, the jargon, the methodology (although Robin would dispute the word methodology in favour of the spontaneous and unrehearsed, original nature of it and he would be correct). Thank you for that. In my case it is completely spontaneous and somehow the knowledge of who, why and how to confront is derived outside of my logical, rational, intellectual processes. And of course mine were outside of a group, a one-on-one interaction. But I have able to come up with a rational understanding of my behavior and a certain methodology that was followed. Of course the confrontations were not random and I can see that I react very quickly, sharply, powerfully to inauthenticity, dishonesty or something inherently false in the person I'm targeting. I don't go out looking for it. And while I would dispute the validity or ultimate truthfulness of what was pursued and ultimately revealed in confrontations I would say this: I grew as a human being and became much more self aware as a result of my wounds, my hurt and my ultimate reemergence on the other side of things. So, the confrontations and the falseness of much of it did, indeed, create something beautiful - for me - but not for everyone. And I think, as I type this, that Robin is still transforming into who he is meant to be but it is, perhaps, not without further anguish. Rebuilding something always involves the destruction of something else. What is interesting to me, now that I know a little more about your intoxication and the form this took, is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset.
[FairfieldLife] US General Recommends Bolstering Forces in Lebanon and Iraq
Why are we even thinking of these options? We don't have the money to get involved in any more wars period. The US is broke. http://news.yahoo.com/u-military-chief-recommends-bolstering-lebanon-iraq-forces-225742923.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
On 6/26/2013 11:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. Ha ha good one - Ravi, a Class-A Cultist. This should be a clue to anyone who wants to take your paranoid rant seriously. It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
On 6/26/2013 11:22 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On 6/26/2013 11:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. Ha ha good one - Ravi, a Class-A Cultist. This should be a clue to anyone who wants to take your paranoid rant seriously. Ann and I are your worst nightmares come true - in your get-Judy, get-Robin campaigns. Perhaps you should move on to other greener pastures? It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset.
[FairfieldLife] Have you ever noticed...?
That the TM defenders and Crazy People defenders on this forum have a tendency to treat those who blow the whistle on lies and impropriety in either the movement they have invested in or the crazy people they have invested in by treating those who blow the whistle the same way the US government treats its whistleblowers? [https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1006113_5272\ 1331952_208704634_n.jpg] Shooting the messenger always has the same purpose and intent -- to divert attention away from the message.
[FairfieldLife] Goddess Kali moved - Kedarnath destroyed the next day
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MUMBAI: Much less than shaking people's belief, the Uttarakhand tragedy
has reinforced their faith in the twin forces of Shiva and Shakti.
Believers insist that nothing remains intact in Kedarnath save the
shrine. The shivling remains crowned by offerings of belpatra.
Devotees blame the disaster on the fact that the statue of Goddess Kali,
Dhari Devi in Kedarnath, guardian deity of Uttarakhand, was removed from
her temple a day before the cloudburst. The shrine was being shifted for
a hydel power project that now lies in ruins. A similar attempt in 1882
had resulted in a landslide that had flattened Kedarnath. Spiritual
seeker Mukesh Trivedi from Borivli sounded a note of caution. Mukeshbhai
runs the Shri Sumitradevi Seva Sansthan that works for afforestation in
Rajasthan. He says, Man has abused nature to satisfy greed rather than
need, and now it is payback time. We cannot have unbridled construction
and hydel power projects eating away at the foundation of hill towns
with rocky beds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you ever noticed...?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: That the TM defenders and Crazy People defenders on this forum have a tendency to treat those who blow the whistle on lies and impropriety in either the movement they have invested in or the crazy people they have invested in by treating those who blow the whistle the same way the US government treats its whistleblowers? The world is as you are. If what the Turq see is lies and impropiety, what does that tell you about the him ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Perhaps you find it ridiculous but for the Turq it fits perfectly into his lifelong Maharishi-bashing-project since Robin was Maharishi's student AND claimed enlightenment as a result. You see, if someone even mentiones that TM if effective and eventually leads to freedom, the Turq is reminded that he has wasted his life. If you need another example of how difficult this is for the Turq just watch his reaction of contempt and hatred towards Dr.D who's claim is that TM and the grace of the Holy Tradition brought him freedom and enlightenment. That's about the most heavy thing anyone can claim for the Turq steeped as he is in a fanatical and confused Buddhist idea that he is already enlightened. If these claims of Enlightenment as a result of TM were true everything he believes in would be redused to nothing and exposed as the delusional superstition it in fact is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess Kali moved - Kedarnath destroyed the next day
As usual, Nabby finds total superstition believable. [[evol-superstition.jpg]] * FOKS = Feel OK System --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: Flash floods can't sweep away their faith in GodThe writer has posted comments on this articleBella Jaisinghani .cms Bella Jaisinghani, TNN | Jun 23, 2013, 04.56 AM IST ... Devotees blame the disaster on the fact that the statue of Goddess Kali, Dhari Devi in Kedarnath, guardian deity of Uttarakhand, was removed from her temple a day before the cloudburst. Devotees blame the disaster on the fact that the statue of Goddess Kali, Dhari Devi in Kedarnath, guardian deity of Uttarakhand, was removed from her temple a day before the cloudburst. The shrine was being shifted for a hydel power project that now lies in ruins. A similar attempt in 1882 had resulted in a landslide that had flattened Kedarnath. Spiritual seeker Mukesh Trivedi from Borivli sounded a note of caution. Mukeshbhai runs the Shri Sumitradevi Seva Sansthan that works for afforestation in Rajasthan. He says, Man has abused nature to satisfy greed rather than need, and now it is payback time. We cannot have unbridled construction and hydel power projects eating away at the foundation of hill towns with rocky beds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
Lawson has never spoken more true words here on FFL, whether or not anyone ever levitates has nothing to do with the purpose of the TM-Sidhi program, which is to keep a loyal following of starry eyed sycophants who will continue to financially support the goons that run the Movement. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 1:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. IT don't matter how. It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like that would be the whole point. as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with specific sutras. I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. Is that irony? I can't tell with you. L: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? Wiki: Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting material has its own characteristic penetration depth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
Um, dude...you can practice the TM-Siddhis program, in the comfort and privacy of your own home. Or you can practice it at a TM Center, free of charge. As for the actual flying being of no consequence, actually *doing* the practice, is the difference between thinking about Hawaii, and actually going there. As a result, there is more than enough progress happening, that the notion of physically flying becomes a big so what. The flying sutra is the most integrated one, for our physiology, but all the others kick ass, as well. No point in just focusing on that cherry on top. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Lawson has never spoken more true words here on FFL, whether or not anyone ever levitates has nothing to do with the purpose of the TM-Sidhi program, which is to keep a loyal following of starry eyed sycophants who will continue to financially support the goons that run the Movement. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 1:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power? Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. IT don't matter how. It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like that would be the whole point. as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with specific sutras. I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. Is that irony? I can't tell with you. L: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? Wiki: Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting material has its own characteristic penetration depth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
The irony, for me, is that ever since Robin decided he was perfect 25 years ago, he has never done TM again, or so his words in that message and more recently, to me, seem to apply. Does the term stuck mean anything? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: And my respect for Robin is a logical extension of it - he must have thought of himself, carried on from his Guru Maharishi, as infallible and invulnerable when he became a Guru. I'm not sure that's quite how it happened, Ravi. At least it isn't according to Robin. He says the sense of infallibility and invulnerability were *experiential*, not some ideas he picked up from Maharishi. Robin's not a moodmaker (TM term meaning, essentially, pretending to oneself that one is in an advanced state of consciousness). Did you ever read his account of what happened on the mountain? Have a look: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316412 According to him, that experience *never went away*, until he fought it off little by little starting 10 years later after the group collapsed. It took him 25 years to get rid of most of it, to get his free will back, his sense of individuality back. From what he says, it was a titanic, prolonged, agonizing struggle that nearly killed him. If you're up to it, have a look at this too: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316397 It's his first response to LordKnows's attack last August, and it's a pretty good overall summary of his experience during those 10 years. Then because of reality's grace he was humbled into admitting his fallibility and vulnerability The way I read what he's said, he was forced to recognize that he *must* be fallible and vulnerable, but it took much, much longer for him to *experience* himself as such. It wasn't like having a profound insight in a therapist's office and then seeing everything in one's life differently as a result. It wasn't *psychological*, in other words. and thereby developing the qualities I mention. I think these qualities of Robin are very charming. Those qualities were developed at tremendous cost. Xeno and Barry - too fucking retarded to understand it. Yup. I have to say, though, that I don't think any of us--you more than most, but still--can really understand what he went through. I know I don't. I have the broad outlines conceptually, but no more than that. Hell, as articulate as he is, he can't *explain* it much more than that. But it's certainly entirely possible to understand it better than Barry and Xeno do. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: Of course then this is the very basis of my arguments against Gurus like Amma and Maharishi as well. The minute they proclaim themselves as infallible, invulnerable with a special insight into reality they can never have the qualities of accountability, self-honesty and integrity. And in the absence of that their core remains stunted, the character and personality remains stunted. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: With regard to your last paragraph, yes that is the difference isn't it? How much accountability does one shows to all of one's actions, and at a deeper level one's thoughts, emotionsâ. This accountability then translates to one's self-honesty and ultimately to integrity. So my measures of a person are then these 3 qualities - accountability, self-honesty and integrity. Who displays these qualities? Clearly each one of us are fallible, vulnerable and we make mistakes. So the process of acquiring these 3 qualities involves admitting one's fallibility and vulnerability. Robin scores exceptionally high on these qualities. Your dear Judy, for me - display these qualities as well. Barry and Xeno - ZERO, their actions here shows us that they complete lack integrity. They are blind to their malicious vindictiveness and dishonesty - perhaps because they clearly aren't taking responsibility and accountability for their feelings that are causing them to slander Robin here - be it jealousy, vindictiveness or any other deeper negative emotions. Xeno is more terrible, he acts as if he is some mature, wise, compassionate person at least Barry rejoices in his overt sadism. Really sad and pathetic behavior on the part of Barry and Xeno. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Then folks who had been there and had seen him do this started showing up on FFL, and Robin knew that the jig
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. IT don't matter how. It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, not defeating them. MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of the TM-Sidhis]. He never talked in terms of defeat. Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like that would be the whole point. Assuming that were possible, of course. However, the effect allegedly works whether or not any person or group of people float or in fact, ever can float. as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with specific sutras. I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. Is that irony? I can't tell with you. Well, John Hagelin convinced himself, just as MMY did, that success in the siddhis was just around the corner, and his rhetoric for the past 30 years has reflected that. L L: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? Wiki: Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting material has its own characteristic penetration depth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I consider Robin to be my mentor and I will go hard at anyone trying to slander him, misrepresent, indulge in malicious, vindictive behavior. On the witness stand: Mr. Carlsen, did you state in an unequivocal manner that you never, and would never, strike someone in the course of conducting your confrontations Why yes, I did state that And were you then forced to retract that statement when witnesses came forward who could provide first hand accounts that you did indeed strike people on occasion, in the course of your confrontations Well yes, I was forced to retract that statement, but... So, Mr. Carlsen, you lied when you stated that you have never struck anyone in the course of your confrontations Yes, but.. No further questions Mr. Carlsen
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. IT don't matter how. It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, not defeating them. It's the same thing Lawson, defeating gravity is the same as mastering it, it no longer affects you. MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of the TM-Sidhis]. The laws in the vicinity of our planet are stupid? He clearly never studied physics like he claimed then, for they are the same everywhere. He never talked in terms of defeat. Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like that would be the whole point. Assuming that were possible, of course. However, the effect allegedly works whether or not any person or group of people float or in fact, ever can float. as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with specific sutras. I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. Is that irony? I can't tell with you. Well, John Hagelin convinced himself, just as MMY did, that success in the siddhis was just around the corner, and his rhetoric for the past 30 years has reflected that. I guess he has to say that, if anyone was to assemble the ranks in the dome and say that it's all obviously a load of crap it might affect sales somewhat. Still, you can always do it for pleasure... L L: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? Wiki: Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting material has its own characteristic penetration depth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On 6/26/2013 11:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. Ha ha good one - Ravi, a Class-A Cultist. This should be a clue to anyone who wants to take your paranoid rant seriously. if I may join you here, I would have to say, once I stop guffawing, that I am (probably) one of the last people you could call a cultist on the planet (other than you, perhaps). Now I'll just wipe up that bugger that came flying out of my nose as I snorted with laughter a moment ago upon reading Barry's 'accusation'. It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset. No Barry, think again. This is not about the hitting. What Vaj initially brought up before my time here at this forum was not about the hitting. What you are bringing up now is not about that either. It is about punishing Robin, which is fine if that is what you want to do. But tell it like it is. You and Vaj are not interested in getting justice for those who were apparently hit in seminars, you are not about ringing the bells of truth so that some wrong can be rectified. Vaj is long gone and presumably has taken up tiddly winks or badminton rather than remain here at FFL. You, however, are still here and think bringing up this boring and irrelevant subject is important. But admit what it is you are doing: you got pissed off at Judy and I about two days ago and all of a sudden this mouldering subject reappears. You are a desperate person. Not one molecule of one human being reading this forum or not reading this forum gives a shit about the subject. Nor do they care about your personal dislike of either Judy, Robin or myself. Everyone has seen it all before, ad nauseum, this ongoing bickering. Surely you have some new French delicacy to sample or rare vintage wine to sip, you are in Paris after all. But one thing is for sure, and people take note, it doesn't matter if Barry was lying in the very bosom of God, he would still find a reason to pick a fight or spit at someone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On 6/26/2013 9:12 PM, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Judy, Thank you - you are right, because I feel I am the only one here who could perhaps intuitively understand Robin's experiences. I myself mercilessly, ruthlessly confronted many while being mystically intoxicated and I know from my end I was perfectly innocent, in my heart and lot of these confrontations caused tremendous distress to me - because I confronted in-spite of myself, and I did apologize to a few who chose to not shy away from me - many simply cut off contact and in most cases my confrontations were accurate, as in I hurt people where they were most vulnerable - as in using Robinesque language - I methodically attacked, in a state of transcendence, their subject reflexes which were a mode of self-protection these people had constructed which seemingly insulated them from reality and from self-knowledge. Yes - I have read both the posts that you have mentioned below in the past and now again. I cannot entirely understand Robin's experiences and I may not even agree with his interpretations and conclusions of his UC experiences but my comments can be treated as my own interpretation, based on my experiences, understanding as of today rather than some objective truth and of course my focus was on Robin of today than Robin of the past. Because clearly my opinion of Robin of the past would always be tainted, whereas I have clear personal experiences of Robin, as he is today. May be reality was more merciful in my case, showing my infallibility and invulnerability quite early on. But one thing is hard to disagree - the degree of invincibility you feel during a confrontation. I don't have to necessarily be highly mystically intoxicated to feel my invincibility in a potential confrontation with anyone. Hope I made sense - clearly I'm not as articulate as Robin, am I :-) Yes, in your own way you are Ravi. Dear Ann - thank you, a lot can be said on this topic but I will try my best to present a concise summary. I did not know of your history as others here do. I stumbled onto this forum just after you became absent from FFL in January 2012. But your explanation above of your experience confronting others is fascinating. Yes you missed all that drama. A post by Robin would be a good start here - but of course it's from a long time back and it doesn't present a complete picture of who I am now - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/298518. It is certainly fascinating. Robin's analysis was based on my posts on FFL, and most of my experiences, that have been more personal and/or distressing were outside of FFL. In fact in Dec 2011 I confronted someone, outside of FFL, someone who I fell in love with and it was not my intention at all, this was so distressing that I personally went through lot of pain for several months. In fact I felt used, felt manipulated, that I was somehow coerced to confront (by whom, I have no answer) - I pretty much spent 7 months in solitude trying to get a grip on it and Robin, of course was a great help. Without his guidance it would have been so much harder. Of course, having been present at hundreds of confrontations, including a few of my own, around Robin I am pretty familiar with how they went; the tracking, the jargon, the methodology (although Robin would dispute the word methodology in favour of the spontaneous and unrehearsed, original nature of it and he would be correct). Thank you for that. In my case it is completely spontaneous and somehow the knowledge of who, why and how to confront is derived outside of my logical, rational, intellectual processes. And of course mine were outside of a group, a one-on-one interaction. But I have able to come up with a rational understanding of my behavior and a certain methodology that was followed. Of course the confrontations were not random and I can see that I react very quickly, sharply, powerfully to inauthenticity, dishonesty or something inherently false in the person I'm targeting. I don't go out looking for it. And while I would dispute the validity or ultimate truthfulness of what was pursued and ultimately revealed in confrontations I would say this: I grew as a human being and became much more self aware as a result of my wounds, my hurt and my ultimate reemergence on the other side of things. So, the confrontations and the falseness of much of it did, indeed, create something beautiful - for me - but not for everyone. And I think, as I type this, that Robin is still transforming into who he is meant to be but
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I consider Robin to be my mentor and I will go hard at anyone trying to slander him, misrepresent, indulge in malicious, vindictive behavior. On the witness stand: Mr. Carlsen, did you state in an unequivocal manner that you never, and would never, strike someone in the course of conducting your confrontations? Why yes, I did state that And were you then forced to retract that statement when witnesses came forward who could provide first hand accounts that you did indeed strike people on occasion, in the course of your confrontations? Well yes, I was forced to retract that statement, but... So, Mr. Carlsen, you lied when you stated that you have never struck anyone in the course of your confrontations? Yes, but.. No further questions Mr. Carlsen
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
Same conclusion here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: The irony, for me, is that ever since Robin decided he was perfect 25 years ago, he has never done TM again, or so his words in that message and more recently, to me, seem to apply. Does the term stuck mean anything? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: And my respect for Robin is a logical extension of it - he must have thought of himself, carried on from his Guru Maharishi, as infallible and invulnerable when he became a Guru. I'm not sure that's quite how it happened, Ravi. At least it isn't according to Robin. He says the sense of infallibility and invulnerability were *experiential*, not some ideas he picked up from Maharishi. Robin's not a moodmaker (TM term meaning, essentially, pretending to oneself that one is in an advanced state of consciousness). Did you ever read his account of what happened on the mountain? Have a look: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316412 According to him, that experience *never went away*, until he fought it off little by little starting 10 years later after the group collapsed. It took him 25 years to get rid of most of it, to get his free will back, his sense of individuality back. From what he says, it was a titanic, prolonged, agonizing struggle that nearly killed him. If you're up to it, have a look at this too: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316397 It's his first response to LordKnows's attack last August, and it's a pretty good overall summary of his experience during those 10 years. Then because of reality's grace he was humbled into admitting his fallibility and vulnerability The way I read what he's said, he was forced to recognize that he *must* be fallible and vulnerable, but it took much, much longer for him to *experience* himself as such. It wasn't like having a profound insight in a therapist's office and then seeing everything in one's life differently as a result. It wasn't *psychological*, in other words. and thereby developing the qualities I mention. I think these qualities of Robin are very charming. Those qualities were developed at tremendous cost. Xeno and Barry - too fucking retarded to understand it. Yup. I have to say, though, that I don't think any of us--you more than most, but still--can really understand what he went through. I know I don't. I have the broad outlines conceptually, but no more than that. Hell, as articulate as he is, he can't *explain* it much more than that. But it's certainly entirely possible to understand it better than Barry and Xeno do. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: Of course then this is the very basis of my arguments against Gurus like Amma and Maharishi as well. The minute they proclaim themselves as infallible, invulnerable with a special insight into reality they can never have the qualities of accountability, self-honesty and integrity. And in the absence of that their core remains stunted, the character and personality remains stunted. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: With regard to your last paragraph, yes that is the difference isn't it? How much accountability does one shows to all of one's actions, and at a deeper level one's thoughts, emotionsâ. This accountability then translates to one's self-honesty and ultimately to integrity. So my measures of a person are then these 3 qualities - accountability, self-honesty and integrity. Who displays these qualities? Clearly each one of us are fallible, vulnerable and we make mistakes. So the process of acquiring these 3 qualities involves admitting one's fallibility and vulnerability. Robin scores exceptionally high on these qualities. Your dear Judy, for me - display these qualities as well. Barry and Xeno - ZERO, their actions here shows us that they complete lack integrity. They are blind to their malicious vindictiveness and dishonesty - perhaps because they clearly aren't taking responsibility and accountability for their feelings that are causing them to slander Robin here - be it jealousy, vindictiveness or any other deeper negative emotions. Xeno is more terrible, he acts as if he is some mature, wise, compassionate person at least Barry rejoices in his overt sadism. Really sad and pathetic behavior on the part of Barry and Xeno. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset. No Barry, think again. This is not about the hitting. What Vaj initially brought up before my time here at this forum was not about the hitting. What you are bringing up now is not about that either. It is about punishing Robin, which is fine if that is what you want to do. But tell it like it is. You and Vaj are not interested in getting justice for those who were apparently hit in seminars, you are not about ringing the bells of truth so that some wrong can be rectified. Vaj is long gone and presumably has taken up tiddly winks or badminton rather than remain here at FFL. You, however, are still here and think bringing up this boring and irrelevant subject is important. But admit what it is you are doing: you got pissed off at Judy and I about two days ago and all of a sudden this mouldering subject reappears. You are a desperate person. Not one molecule of one human being reading this forum or not reading this forum gives a shit about the subject. Nor do they care about your personal dislike of either Judy, Robin or myself. Everyone has seen it all before, ad nauseum, this ongoing bickering. Surely you have some new French delicacy to sample or rare vintage wine to sip, you are in Paris after all. But one thing is for sure, and people take note, it doesn't matter if Barry was lying in the very bosom of God, he would still find a reason to pick a fight or spit at someone. Lurkers silly enough to read this should bear in mind that the above angry, shoot-the-messenger rant was written by someone who recently described herself as something like the last person you could accuse of being a cultist. I think she's as classic an example of a cultist as I've ever encountered anywhere on planet Earth. We are talking, after all, about a woman who slavishly followed Robin Carlsen and his Lame Guru Act for a number of years, and was *herself* dragged up onto a stage in front of her peer-cultists and abused as being possessed by demons. Something like 25 years later, she is *still* lashing out at anyone who dares to criticize the person who did this to her. If that's not a cultist, I don't know what is. To her, whether a person posing as a spiritual teacher physically *struck* their students, and thus felt he had the *right* to do so, is a boring and irrelevant
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?
So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter hackers work, but you trust the red hatters. LoL! Bhairitu: You don't want to talk about it either. So, you haven't read the book. Go figure. Nobody seems to want to talk about it, but I did kind of expect the program hackers on FFL to tell me what's up with the hacking. Some informant you turned out to be! You just post links to articles. Apparently you don't understand what's in the articles. You're linked already. Out in California in the Bay Area, they are recording your license plate number and VIN every time you drive out your driveway. They know who you are, who you are friends with, and who you text and talk to. Along with your SS number they know everything about you - there's no secrets anymore! Your license-plate data is instantly sent to the nearest intelligence data center. According to what I've read, the database will be capable of handling over 100 million records inside a rather large black ops building with no windows and a fence around it with armed guards at the gate, FOREVER. The license plate data will be accessible to local and state law enforcement across the region in a moment's notice and shared with the FBI and the NSA. And that's just the tip of the iceberg when you consider that under Obamacare, all your medical records will be digitized and stored and shared in a database, so they can see if you've have any medical insurance. Go figure. At a rapid pace, and mostly hidden from the public, police agencies throughout California have been collecting millions of records on drivers and feeding them to intelligence fusion centers operated by local, state and federal law enforcement... License-plate readers let police collect millions of records on drivers' http://tinyurl.com/pnac4gm 'Think NSA Spying Is Bad? Here Comes ObamaCare Hub' http://tinyurl.com/ohvsdt2 If you have questions then ask so we can explain some of these tings to you. Thanks. So, who is Edward Snowden? 'We Are Anonymous' Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the Global Cyber Insurgency by P. Olsen Back Bay Books, 2013
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On 6/26/2013 9:12 PM, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Judy, Thank you - you are right, because I feel I am the only one here who could perhaps intuitively understand Robin's experiences. I myself mercilessly, ruthlessly confronted many while being mystically intoxicated and I know from my end I was perfectly innocent, in my heart and lot of these confrontations caused tremendous distress to me - because I confronted in-spite of myself, and I did apologize to a few who chose to not shy away from me - many simply cut off contact and in most cases my confrontations were accurate, as in I hurt people where they were most vulnerable - as in using Robinesque language - I methodically attacked, in a state of transcendence, their subject reflexes which were a mode of self-protection these people had constructed which seemingly insulated them from reality and from self-knowledge. Yes - I have read both the posts that you have mentioned below in the past and now again. I cannot entirely understand Robin's experiences and I may not even agree with his interpretations and conclusions of his UC experiences but my comments can be treated as my own interpretation, based on my experiences, understanding as of today rather than some objective truth and of course my focus was on Robin of today than Robin of the past. Because clearly my opinion of Robin of the past would always be tainted, whereas I have clear personal experiences of Robin, as he is today. May be reality was more merciful in my case, showing my infallibility and invulnerability quite early on. But one thing is hard to disagree - the degree of invincibility you feel during a confrontation. I don't have to necessarily be highly mystically intoxicated to feel my invincibility in a potential confrontation with anyone. Hope I made sense - clearly I'm not as articulate as Robin, am I :-) Yes, in your own way you are Ravi. Dear Ann - thank you, a lot can be said on this topic but I will try my best to present a concise summary. I did not know of your history as others here do. I stumbled onto this forum just after you became absent from FFL in January 2012. But your explanation above of your experience confronting others is fascinating. Yes you missed all that drama. A post by Robin would be a good start here - but of course it's from a long time back and it doesn't present a complete picture of who I am now - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/298518. It is certainly fascinating. Robin's analysis was based on my posts on FFL, and most of my experiences, that have been more personal and/or distressing were outside of FFL. In fact in Dec 2011 I confronted someone, outside of FFL, someone who I fell in love with and it was not my intention at all, this was so distressing that I personally went through lot of pain for several months. In fact I felt used, felt manipulated, that I was somehow coerced to confront (by whom, I have no answer) - I pretty much spent 7 months in solitude trying to get a grip on it and Robin, of course was a great help. Without his guidance it would have been so much harder. Of course, having been present at hundreds of confrontations, including a few of my own, around Robin I am pretty familiar with how they went; the tracking, the jargon, the methodology (although Robin would dispute the word methodology in favour of the spontaneous and unrehearsed, original nature of it and he would be correct). Thank you for that. In my case it is completely spontaneous and somehow the knowledge of who, why and how to confront is derived outside of my logical, rational, intellectual processes. And of course mine were outside of a group, a one-on-one interaction. But I have able to come up with a rational understanding of my behavior and a certain methodology that was followed. Of course the confrontations were not random and I can see that I react very quickly, sharply, powerfully to inauthenticity, dishonesty or something inherently false in the person I'm targeting. I don't go out looking for it. And while I would dispute the validity or ultimate truthfulness of what was pursued and ultimately revealed in confrontations I would say this: I grew as a human being and became much more self aware as a result of my wounds, my hurt and my ultimate reemergence on the other side of things. So, the confrontations and the falseness of much of it did, indeed, create something beautiful - for me - but not for everyone. And I think, as I type this, that Robin is still transforming into who he is meant to be but
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset. No Barry, think again. This is not about the hitting. What Vaj initially brought up before my time here at this forum was not about the hitting. What you are bringing up now is not about that either. It is about punishing Robin, which is fine if that is what you want to do. But tell it like it is. You and Vaj are not interested in getting justice for those who were apparently hit in seminars, you are not about ringing the bells of truth so that some wrong can be rectified. Vaj is long gone and presumably has taken up tiddly winks or badminton rather than remain here at FFL. You, however, are still here and think bringing up this boring and irrelevant subject is important. But admit what it is you are doing: you got pissed off at Judy and I about two days ago and all of a sudden this mouldering subject reappears. You are a desperate person. Not one molecule of one human being reading this forum or not reading this forum gives a shit about the subject. Nor do they care about your personal dislike of either Judy, Robin or myself. Everyone has seen it all before, ad nauseum, this ongoing bickering. Surely you have some new French delicacy to sample or rare vintage wine to sip, you are in Paris after all. But one thing is for sure, and people take note, it doesn't matter if Barry was lying in the very bosom of God, he would still find a reason to pick a fight or spit at someone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset. No Barry, think again. This is not about the hitting. What Vaj initially brought up before my time here at this forum was not about the hitting. What you are bringing up now is not about that either. It is about punishing Robin, which is fine if that is what you want to do. But tell it like it is. You and Vaj are not interested in getting justice for those who were apparently hit in seminars, you are not about ringing the bells of truth so that some wrong can be rectified. Vaj is long gone and presumably has taken up tiddly winks or badminton rather than remain here at FFL. You, however, are still here and think bringing up this boring and irrelevant subject is important. But admit what it is you are doing: you got pissed off at Judy and I about two days ago and all of a sudden this mouldering subject reappears. You are a desperate person. Not one molecule of one human being reading this forum or not reading this forum gives a shit about the subject. Nor do they care about your personal dislike of either Judy, Robin or myself. Everyone has seen it all before, ad nauseum, this ongoing bickering. Surely you have some new French delicacy to sample or rare vintage wine to sip, you are in Paris after all. But one thing is for sure, and people take note, it doesn't matter if Barry was lying in the very bosom of God, he would still find a reason to pick a fight or spit at someone. Lurkers silly enough to read this should bear in mind that the above angry, shoot-the-messenger rant was written by someone who recently described herself as something like the last person you could accuse of being a cultist. I think she's as classic an example of a cultist as I've ever encountered anywhere on planet Earth. We are talking, after all, about a woman who slavishly followed Robin Carlsen and his Lame Guru Act for a number of years, and was *herself* dragged up onto a stage in front of her peer-cultists and abused as being possessed by demons. Something like 25 years later, she is *still* lashing out at anyone who dares to criticize the person who did this to her. If that's not a cultist, I don't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?
On 06/27/2013 07:34 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter hackers work, but you trust the red hatters. LoL! Bhairitu: You don't want to talk about it either. So, you haven't read the book. Go figure. Nobody seems to want to talk about it, but I did kind of expect the program hackers on FFL to tell me what's up with the hacking. Some informant you turned out to be! You just post links to articles. Apparently you don't understand what's in the articles. You're linked already. Out in California in the Bay Area, they are recording your license plate number and VIN every time you drive out your driveway. They know who you are, who you are friends with, and who you text and talk to. Along with your SS number they know everything about you - there's no secrets anymore! Your license-plate data is instantly sent to the nearest intelligence data center. According to what I've read, the database will be capable of handling over 100 million records inside a rather large black ops building with no windows and a fence around it with armed guards at the gate, FOREVER. The license plate data will be accessible to local and state law enforcement across the region in a moment's notice and shared with the FBI and the NSA. And that's just the tip of the iceberg when you consider that under Obamacare, all your medical records will be digitized and stored and shared in a database, so they can see if you've have any medical insurance. Go figure. At a rapid pace, and mostly hidden from the public, police agencies throughout California have been collecting millions of records on drivers and feeding them to intelligence fusion centers operated by local, state and federal law enforcement... License-plate readers let police collect millions of records on drivers' http://tinyurl.com/pnac4gm 'Think NSA Spying Is Bad? Here Comes ObamaCare Hub' http://tinyurl.com/ohvsdt2 If you have questions then ask so we can explain some of these tings to you. Thanks. So, who is Edward Snowden? 'We Are Anonymous' Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the Global Cyber Insurgency by P. Olsen Back Bay Books, 2013 Already discussed it yesterday. Didn't you decode the message or did you lose your decoder ring already?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On 6/26/2013 9:12 PM, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Judy, Thank you - you are right, because I feel I am the only one here who could perhaps intuitively understand Robin's experiences. I myself mercilessly, ruthlessly confronted many while being mystically intoxicated and I know from my end I was perfectly innocent, in my heart and lot of these confrontations caused tremendous distress to me - because I confronted in-spite of myself, and I did apologize to a few who chose to not shy away from me - many simply cut off contact and in most cases my confrontations were accurate, as in I hurt people where they were most vulnerable - as in using Robinesque language - I methodically attacked, in a state of transcendence, their subject reflexes which were a mode of self-protection these people had constructed which seemingly insulated them from reality and from self-knowledge. Yes - I have read both the posts that you have mentioned below in the past and now again. I cannot entirely understand Robin's experiences and I may not even agree with his interpretations and conclusions of his UC experiences but my comments can be treated as my own interpretation, based on my experiences, understanding as of today rather than some objective truth and of course my focus was on Robin of today than Robin of the past. Because clearly my opinion of Robin of the past would always be tainted, whereas I have clear personal experiences of Robin, as he is today. May be reality was more merciful in my case, showing my infallibility and invulnerability quite early on. But one thing is hard to disagree - the degree of invincibility you feel during a confrontation. I don't have to necessarily be highly mystically intoxicated to feel my invincibility in a potential confrontation with anyone. Hope I made sense - clearly I'm not as articulate as Robin, am I :-) Yes, in your own way you are Ravi. Dear Ann - thank you, a lot can be said on this topic but I will try my best to present a concise summary. I did not know of your history as others here do. I stumbled onto this forum just after you became absent from FFL in January 2012. But your explanation above of your experience confronting others is fascinating. Yes you missed all that drama. A post by Robin would be a good start here - but of course it's from a long time back and it doesn't present a complete picture of who I am now - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/298518. It is certainly fascinating. Robin's analysis was based on my posts on FFL, and most of my experiences, that have been more personal and/or distressing were outside of FFL. In fact in Dec 2011 I confronted someone, outside of FFL, someone who I fell in love with and it was not my intention at all, this was so distressing that I personally went through lot of pain for several months. In fact I felt used, felt manipulated, that I was somehow coerced to confront (by whom, I have no answer) - I pretty much spent 7 months in solitude trying to get a grip on it and Robin, of course was a great help. Without his guidance it would have been so much harder. Of course, having been present at hundreds of confrontations, including a few of my own, around Robin I am pretty familiar with how they went; the tracking, the jargon, the methodology (although Robin would dispute the word methodology in favour of the spontaneous and unrehearsed, original nature of it and he would be correct). Thank you for that. In my case it is completely spontaneous and somehow the knowledge of who, why and how to confront is derived outside of my logical, rational, intellectual processes. And of course mine were outside of a group, a one-on-one interaction. But I have able to come up with a rational understanding of my behavior and a certain methodology that was followed. Of course the confrontations were not random and I can see that I react very quickly, sharply, powerfully to inauthenticity, dishonesty or something inherently false in the person I'm targeting. I don't go out looking for it. And while I would dispute the validity or ultimate truthfulness of what was pursued and ultimately revealed in confrontations I would say this: I grew as a human being and became much more self aware as a result of my wounds, my hurt and my ultimate reemergence on the other side of things. So, the confrontations and the falseness of much of it did, indeed, create something beautiful - for me - but not for everyone. And I think, as I type this, that Robin is still transforming into who he is meant to be but
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
You don't get it, Barry. You've been busted. AGAIN. You told a whopper of a lie in your earlier post about Robin. It was exposed. The only way you *know how* to respond to the exposure of yet another of your lies *is to tell more lies*, as you do here. It's such a dreary exercise, but you'll be going through it until the day you die. With regard to your lies about Robin, what they indicate is that to you, what Robin *actually did* didn't seem all that bad. Otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to lie about it to make it sound worse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Barry is very careful to obscure the distinction Robin was at pains to make between Robin allegedly having struck people *onstage during his public seminars*-- which was what Vaj had accused him of doing, falsely-- and having struck people in a Zen-roshi-like manner in a private residential setting well before there had been any seminars (and at which Vaj had not been present). As Robin said (omitted by Barry): I did not deny something I knew was true. I denied what I was accused of. I will respond to this because it is EXACTLY why I referred to Robin's harping on this onstage during his public seminars phrase as a Judy Stein-like nitpick. It's *her* act, the one she uses ALL THE TIME. What Barry calls nitpicks are actually *facts* that challenge how he characterizes things. Barry is blind to any kind of nuance; he sees things strictly in black-and-white terms. It doesn't take a lot of reflection to recognize the difference between physically smacking people around up on stage in front of an audience during a seminar open to the public, and the Zen-roshi- like smacks in a private setting that Robin described (which, according to him, happened very rarely in exceptional circumstances, and to which, according to him, nobody present objected). He was accused of the former and denied it. Case in point. Recently she claimed YET AGAIN that she had never commented on a film that she had not seen. I'm going to skip this because we've been through it so many times already. It's a case in point only of how Barry engages in distortion, mischaracterization, and lying. If anybody doesn't remember how this has gone each time Barry has brought it up, let me know. In the meantime, let's focus on his distortions, mischaracterizations, and lies about Robin. (snip) And *now* she says -- doubling down on her defense of the crazy person who we now know (and which she *admits* in a followup post -- *repeatedly* struck his students, and was trying to equivocate to hide that fact -- that what he was avoiding admitting to was having struck people in a Zen-roshi-like manner in a private residential setting. Barry, see a doctor. Your mind simply isn't functioning properly. First, only Robin can admit that he struck people, obviously. I can't admit it for him. Second, *he admitted the Zen-roshi-like business back in January 2012*. That's what his Open Letter post was about and what I described in my first post in response to Barry. My follow-up post yesterday pointed out that Ann had reported what seems to have been a hitting incident *during a seminar*. Somehow Barry has managed to get these two confused. Or he hopes readers will and is simply lying. Isn't it FASCINATING that Judy can completely *ignore* the REASON Robin proposes for having struck these people: If the person seemed so identified with this deceitful representation of themselves through the malice of this fallen angel that they were in fact defending or upholding the integrity of themelves in resisting the beneficent and merciful inspiration of my enlightenmentconsciously as it were, or unconsciously colluding with the fallen angelI might, on occasion shock that person out of such an identification. This is INSANITY on such a level that it probably qual- ifies for the Most Insane Thing Ever Said On This Forum, and Judy Stein *cannot even see it*. What Robin was describing in that paragraph, obviously, was *how it seemed to him at the time*, not how he sees it today. He's said over and over here that he was deluded back then. Her *entire* focus is on doubling down and finding nitpicks that can make it look as if she has not been WRONG in her assessment of Robin Carlsen, who he was, and who he still is. I have no basis to assess who Robin was 30-some years ago other than what he's said about himself. He says he was deluded. I have no reason to doubt his own assessment. I see no trace of any delusions in what Robin says today. She equivocated and lied in her attempts to defend him back then, I did no such thing and Barry knows it. and she's still doing it. Please note yet another nitpick and equivocation. She tries in a followup post to make a Big Deal about the fact that Ann had not posted yet
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On 6/26/2013 11:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. Ha ha good one - Ravi, a Class-A Cultist. This should be a clue to anyone who wants to take your paranoid rant seriously. if I may join you here, I would have to say, once I stop guffawing, that I am (probably) one of the last people you could call a cultist on the planet (other than you, perhaps). Now I'll just wipe up that bugger that came flying out of my nose as I snorted with laughter a moment ago upon reading Barry's 'accusation'. It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting the Metadata
Most people already think they're the center of universe... Share Long: And being spied on by NSA will only inflate that delusion even more, LOL According to what I've read, people who frequent social networking sites and upload their data and media want to avoid anonymity - they want their own fifteen minutes of fame. Most people who post are concerned about leaving a legacy of some sort, even if it's a few twitter postings. Go figure. I've been looking around had who has jobs and it seems a lot of people are working for the government and military nowadays. Not my cuppa tea. As close as I've come to that was a temp worker for EDS. If you are young these days, you're screwed; if you're older, you're really screwed. WHAT me worry? LoL! One of the responses to the revelations about the mass spying on Americans by the NSA and other agencies is I have nothing to hide. What me worry? I tweeted in response If you have nothing to hide, you live a boring life. Posted by Alex Tabarrok: http://tinyurl.com/mvnxd34 Smile, you're on candid camera. LoL! Ethay ildrenchay ofway ethay orncay ingsay: Ogastahyay urukay armanikay. You are certainly connecting all the dots. LoL! Bhairitu: So what did I say? We are in the best of hands? LoL! Nope. Try again. Let's see if Willy can connect the dots. ;-) An assault on the U.S. Constitution? Next, they'll be forcing us to quarter federal troops in our own homes! Politico: http://tinyurl.com/n5fpdc3
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
Well, John Hagelin convinced himself, just as MMY did, that success in the siddhis was just around the corner, and his rhetoric for the past 30 years has reflected that. Two very different motivations, though. Maharishi saw it that way, as someone living an eternal life, in terms of the inevitability of success, vs. correlating it to a specific time-frame. Success may be just around the corner, but to Maharishi, it didn't matter that the block that needed to be traversed, to reach the corner, was immense. Hagelin, then, was just saying what his boss said. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. IT don't matter how. It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, not defeating them. MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of the TM-Sidhis]. He never talked in terms of defeat. Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like that would be the whole point. Assuming that were possible, of course. However, the effect allegedly works whether or not any person or group of people float or in fact, ever can float. as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with specific sutras. I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. Is that irony? I can't tell with you. Well, John Hagelin convinced himself, just as MMY did, that success in the siddhis was just around the corner, and his rhetoric for the past 30 years has reflected that. L L: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? Wiki: Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting material has its own characteristic penetration depth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
Just for fun, did anyone notice that Judy snipped out all of the *direct quotes* of hers that proved that she once commented on a film she had never seen? That's Judy I Never Lie Stein for you. :-) As *she* does so often, let's restore the snipped parts, shall we? Then lurkers can figure out for them- selves if perhaps there was something in them she was trying to hide or obscure. In the throes of her equivocation (if not outright lying), she seems to have forgotten that during that incident she titled her post Mel Gibson, Christian bigot, based solely on an article she had read without seeing the movie, and even went further than the writer of the article by including this part *in her own words* at the end of her post: To highlight what the writer tactfully leaves implicit, Gibson has slandered the Maya and mangled history for the purpose of exalting the purported superiority of Christianity. ALL of this while commenting on a movie she had not seen, and *still* has never seen. Yet in her mind *I* am a liar for pointing it out. What part of this do you think constitutes I've never commented on a film I've never seen in her mind, eh? :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: You don't get it, Barry. You've been busted. AGAIN. You told a whopper of a lie in your earlier post about Robin. It was exposed. The only way you *know how* to respond to the exposure of yet another of your lies *is to tell more lies*, as you do here. It's such a dreary exercise, but you'll be going through it until the day you die. With regard to your lies about Robin, what they indicate is that to you, what Robin *actually did* didn't seem all that bad. Otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to lie about it to make it sound worse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Barry is very careful to obscure the distinction Robin was at pains to make between Robin allegedly having struck people *onstage during his public seminars*-- which was what Vaj had accused him of doing, falsely-- and having struck people in a Zen-roshi-like manner in a private residential setting well before there had been any seminars (and at which Vaj had not been present). As Robin said (omitted by Barry): I did not deny something I knew was true. I denied what I was accused of. I will respond to this because it is EXACTLY why I referred to Robin's harping on this onstage during his public seminars phrase as a Judy Stein-like nitpick. It's *her* act, the one she uses ALL THE TIME. What Barry calls nitpicks are actually *facts* that challenge how he characterizes things. Barry is blind to any kind of nuance; he sees things strictly in black-and-white terms. It doesn't take a lot of reflection to recognize the difference between physically smacking people around up on stage in front of an audience during a seminar open to the public, and the Zen-roshi- like smacks in a private setting that Robin described (which, according to him, happened very rarely in exceptional circumstances, and to which, according to him, nobody present objected). He was accused of the former and denied it. Case in point. Recently she claimed YET AGAIN that she had never commented on a film that she had not seen. I'm going to skip this because we've been through it so many times already. It's a case in point only of how Barry engages in distortion, mischaracterization, and lying. If anybody doesn't remember how this has gone each time Barry has brought it up, let me know. In the meantime, let's focus on his distortions, mischaracterizations, and lies about Robin. (snip) And *now* she says -- doubling down on her defense of the crazy person who we now know (and which she *admits* in a followup post -- *repeatedly* struck his students, and was trying to equivocate to hide that fact -- that what he was avoiding admitting to was having struck people in a Zen-roshi-like manner in a private residential setting. Barry, see a doctor. Your mind simply isn't functioning properly. First, only Robin can admit that he struck people, obviously. I can't admit it for him. Second, *he admitted the Zen-roshi-like business back in January 2012*. That's what his Open Letter post was about and what I described in my first post in response to Barry. My follow-up post yesterday pointed out that Ann had reported what seems to have been a hitting incident *during a seminar*. Somehow Barry has managed to get these two confused. Or he hopes readers will and is simply lying. Isn't it FASCINATING that Judy can completely *ignore* the REASON Robin proposes for having struck these people: If the person seemed so identified with this deceitful representation of themselves through the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
Sounds like Robin's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar...doesn't portend well... Yet, loyal viewers know, that with Perry Mason in Robin's corner, he cannot lose. SPOILER ALERT: It turns out a major witness in the case, known only as Dutch Crunch, severely perjured himself, and was deemed unreliable. After that, the prosecutor moved for dismissal, while slicking more pomade into his hair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I consider Robin to be my mentor and I will go hard at anyone trying to slander him, misrepresent, indulge in malicious, vindictive behavior. On the witness stand: Mr. Carlsen, did you state in an unequivocal manner that you never, and would never, strike someone in the course of conducting your confrontations Why yes, I did state that And were you then forced to retract that statement when witnesses came forward who could provide first hand accounts that you did indeed strike people on occasion, in the course of your confrontations Well yes, I was forced to retract that statement, but... So, Mr. Carlsen, you lied when you stated that you have never struck anyone in the course of your confrontations Yes, but.. No further questions Mr. Carlsen
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
Wasn't there also a mysterious, beautiful woman from Victoria, BC introduced by Perry Mason that caused a total disarray to the prosecution's case? Of course Dutch Crunch's sordid past certainly did them no favors. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:38 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Sounds like Robin's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar...doesn't portend well... Yet, loyal viewers know, that with Perry Mason in Robin's corner, he cannot lose. SPOILER ALERT: It turns out a major witness in the case, known only as Dutch Crunch, severely perjured himself, and was deemed unreliable. After that, the prosecutor moved for dismissal, while slicking more pomade into his hair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I consider Robin to be my mentor and I will go hard at anyone trying to slander him, misrepresent, indulge in malicious, vindictive behavior. On the witness stand: Mr. Carlsen, did you state in an unequivocal manner that you never, and would never, strike someone in the course of conducting your confrontations Why yes, I did state that And were you then forced to retract that statement when witnesses came forward who could provide first hand accounts that you did indeed strike people on occasion, in the course of your confrontations Well yes, I was forced to retract that statement, but... So, Mr. Carlsen, you lied when you stated that you have never struck anyone in the course of your confrontations Yes, but.. No further questions Mr. Carlsen
[FairfieldLife] Intellectual dishonesty, the definition...redux
I suspect, given the posts made recently by Ann, Doc, Ravi, and Judy supporting Robin in the face of direct quotes from him that show him lying repeatedly on this forum, that it might be time to repost something Xeno posted earlier in the week (highlighting mine): Here is a simple criterion I found on the 'Net: 'Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. *If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest.* *If one deflects criticism of a friend or ally simply because they are a friend or ally, that is intellectually dishonest*.'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting the Metadata
On 06/27/2013 10:03 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Most people already think they're the center of universe... Share Long: And being spied on by NSA will only inflate that delusion even more, LOL According to what I've read, people who frequent social networking sites and upload their data and media want to avoid anonymity - they want their own fifteen minutes of fame. Most people who post are concerned about leaving a legacy of some sort, even if it's a few twitter postings. Go figure. Sorry Richard, you are just too boring to be a person of interest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] US General Recommends Bolstering Forces in Lebanon and Iraq
On 06/26/2013 11:22 PM, John wrote: Why are we even thinking of these options? We don't have the money to get involved in any more wars period. The US is broke. http://news.yahoo.com/u-military-chief-recommends-bolstering-lebanon-iraq-forces-225742923.html The US is broke and wants to commit suicide by starting World War Three.
[FairfieldLife] The ick factor -- an opinion by George Takei
Some of you may know or even follow the blog or Facebook page created by George Takei (Sulu from Star Trek). There is some question as to whether he writes *all* of the material or finds *all* of the wonderful graphics he forwards, but they are consistently delightful. Here, in an opinion piece for the Washington Post, he gets serious for once. At least as serious as he gets: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-takei-a-defeat-for-doma--and-the-end-of-ick/2013/06/27/d3c986dc-dd10-11e2-9218-bc2ac7cd44e2_story.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Just for fun, did anyone notice that Judy snipped out all of the *direct quotes* of hers that proved that she once commented on a film she had never seen? It would be hard not to notice that I snipped *everything* you said about it in your post, given that I noted specifically that I was doing so (see complete post below). I wrote: I'm going to skip this because we've been through it so many times already. It's a case in point only of how Barry engages in distortion, mischaracterization, and lying. If anybody doesn't remember how this has gone each time Barry has brought it up, let me know. In the meantime, let's focus on his distortions, mischaracterizations, and lies about Robin. That's Judy I Never Lie Stein for you. :-) That's Barry I Lie Constantly About Judy for you. Remember what I said, that whenever Barry tries to engage with his critics, it's *guaranteed* that he will lose? This whole exchange is yet another example. Lies Lose, Barry. Automatically. As *she* does so often, let's restore the snipped parts, shall we? Then lurkers can figure out for them- selves if perhaps there was something in them she was trying to hide or obscure. As I pointed out, we've been over this many times. It's all on the record. I'm happy to refer folks to the relevant posts if they can't remember how it all went in the previous iterations. There's no need for me to say it all *again*. Here I'm only interested in Barry's lies about Robin (and now in Barry's lies about my response to those lies). Barry wants to distract as much attention as possible from those lies. (snipping the Apocalypto crap again, leaving in the quote of my post) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: You don't get it, Barry. You've been busted. AGAIN. You told a whopper of a lie in your earlier post about Robin. It was exposed. The only way you *know how* to respond to the exposure of yet another of your lies *is to tell more lies*, as you do here. It's such a dreary exercise, but you'll be going through it until the day you die. With regard to your lies about Robin, what they indicate is that to you, what Robin *actually did* didn't seem all that bad. Otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to lie about it to make it sound worse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Barry is very careful to obscure the distinction Robin was at pains to make between Robin allegedly having struck people *onstage during his public seminars*-- which was what Vaj had accused him of doing, falsely-- and having struck people in a Zen-roshi-like manner in a private residential setting well before there had been any seminars (and at which Vaj had not been present). As Robin said (omitted by Barry): I did not deny something I knew was true. I denied what I was accused of. I will respond to this because it is EXACTLY why I referred to Robin's harping on this onstage during his public seminars phrase as a Judy Stein-like nitpick. It's *her* act, the one she uses ALL THE TIME. What Barry calls nitpicks are actually *facts* that challenge how he characterizes things. Barry is blind to any kind of nuance; he sees things strictly in black-and-white terms. It doesn't take a lot of reflection to recognize the difference between physically smacking people around up on stage in front of an audience during a seminar open to the public, and the Zen-roshi- like smacks in a private setting that Robin described (which, according to him, happened very rarely in exceptional circumstances, and to which, according to him, nobody present objected). He was accused of the former and denied it. Case in point. Recently she claimed YET AGAIN that she had never commented on a film that she had not seen. I'm going to skip this because we've been through it so many times already. It's a case in point only of how Barry engages in distortion, mischaracterization, and lying. If anybody doesn't remember how this has gone each time Barry has brought it up, let me know. In the meantime, let's focus on his distortions, mischaracterizations, and lies about Robin. (snip) And *now* she says -- doubling down on her defense of the crazy person who we now know (and which she *admits* in a followup post -- *repeatedly* struck his students, and was trying to equivocate to hide that fact -- that what he was avoiding admitting to was having struck people in a Zen-roshi-like manner in a private residential setting. Barry, see a doctor. Your mind simply isn't functioning properly. First, only Robin can admit that he struck people, obviously. I can't admit it for him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US General Recommends Bolstering Forces in Lebanon and Iraq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/26/2013 11:22 PM, John wrote: Why are we even thinking of these options? We don't have the money to get involved in any more wars period. The US is broke. http://news.yahoo.com/u-military-chief-recommends-bolstering-lebanon-iraq-forces-225742923.html The US is broke and wants to commit suicide by starting World War Three. Well, we've had a good run. Let's give the ants a chance...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Wasn't there also a mysterious, beautiful woman from Victoria, BC introduced by Perry Mason that caused a total disarray to the prosecution's case? Au contraire, Pierre. It was the slimy reporter who, doing his best to help out the prosecutor, found himself in deep shit because he hadn't been paying attention to the defense's case and got the story badly fouled up. Of course Dutch Crunch's sordid past certainly did them no favors. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:38 AM, doctordumbass@... no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Sounds like Robin's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar...doesn't portend well... Yet, loyal viewers know, that with Perry Mason in Robin's corner, he cannot lose. SPOILER ALERT: It turns out a major witness in the case, known only as Dutch Crunch, severely perjured himself, and was deemed unreliable. After that, the prosecutor moved for dismissal, while slicking more pomade into his hair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I consider Robin to be my mentor and I will go hard at anyone trying to slander him, misrepresent, indulge in malicious, vindictive behavior. On the witness stand: Mr. Carlsen, did you state in an unequivocal manner that you never, and would never, strike someone in the course of conducting your confrontations Why yes, I did state that And were you then forced to retract that statement when witnesses came forward who could provide first hand accounts that you did indeed strike people on occasion, in the course of your confrontations Well yes, I was forced to retract that statement, but... So, Mr. Carlsen, you lied when you stated that you have never struck anyone in the course of your confrontations Yes, but.. No further questions Mr. Carlsen
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Could you be any more irrational and idiotic Barry baby? Here's Ann - someone who was there, not your paranoid, delusional fantasies I find it quite ridiculous that Barry has once again brought up this hitting thing. Not only are people well over this subject but it amounts to, in the end, a paltry hill of beans. It never was about the hitting... I will respond to this because here Ann (and Ravi, agreeing with her) reveal *exactly* why people regard both of them as Class-A Cultists. It really *was* about the hitting. Vaj said that Robin had repeatedly struck his students. Robin not only denied this explicitly (I would never do that), he repeatedly called Vaj a liar for having suggested it. And some people on this forum -- cultists all -- rallied behind Robin in this, and treated whistle- blower Vaj the same way the US government is trying to treat people who revealed things about *it* that they would rather not have been revealed. Then what happens? Backed into a corner, Robin ADMITS to having struck his students, and repeatedly, just as Vaj said he had. And what do the same cultists here do *then*? They make excuses for his behavior, and find ways to shoot the messenger and pretend that the issue was never about the hitting. You'll have to forgive me if I see this behavior as strongly analogous to children who have been abused by their parents making excuses for those abusive parents. He had his reasons for hitting me/breaking my arm/whatever. This is revealing of the inability to differentiate between what one THINKS and what one DOES I wrote about earlier. In the cultist's mind, there are possible justifications for a teacher striking his students. The justifications always seem to be based on what the abuser was THINKING at the time, not what he was actually DOING. It was ALWAYS about the hitting. It's only the die-hard cultists trying to protect their past or present investment in fantasies about Robin who are trying to make it appear to be something else. Robin physically struck his students, and can find ways to justify that. His defenders KNOW that he repeatedly physically struck his students, and con- tinue to find ways to justify that. THAT is why this topic continues to come up. THAT is the very stuff of the cult mindset. No Barry, think again. This is not about the hitting. What Vaj initially brought up before my time here at this forum was not about the hitting. What you are bringing up now is not about that either. It is about punishing Robin, which is fine if that is what you want to do. But tell it like it is. You and Vaj are not interested in getting justice for those who were apparently hit in seminars, you are not about ringing the bells of truth so that some wrong can be rectified. Vaj is long gone and presumably has taken up tiddly winks or badminton rather than remain here at FFL. You, however, are still here and think bringing up this boring and irrelevant subject is important. But admit what it is you are doing: you got pissed off at Judy and I about two days ago and all of a sudden this mouldering subject reappears. You are a desperate person. Not one molecule of one human being reading this forum or not reading this forum gives a shit about the subject. Nor do they care about your personal dislike of either Judy, Robin or myself. Everyone has seen it all before, ad nauseum, this ongoing bickering. Surely you have some new French delicacy to sample or rare vintage wine to sip, you are in Paris after all. But one thing is for sure, and people take note, it doesn't matter if Barry was lying in the very bosom of God, he would still find a reason to pick a fight or spit at someone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellectual dishonesty, the definition...redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I suspect, given the posts made recently by Ann, Doc, Ravi, and Judy supporting Robin in the face of direct quotes from him that show him lying repeatedly on this forum Says Barry, hoping desperately nobody has read the exposure of his own lies about Robin. , that it might be time to repost something Xeno posted earlier in the week (highlighting mine): Here is a simple criterion I found on the 'Net: 'Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. *If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest.* *If one deflects criticism of a friend or ally simply because they are a friend or ally, that is intellectually dishonest*.' Well, that certainly exonerates Robin and his defenders of intellectual dishonesty. Unfortunately it does not exonerate Barry of his knowingly false accusations about them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess Kali moved - Kedarnath destroyed the next day
turquoise: As usual, Nabby finds total superstition believable. Never let a tragedy be wasted to make your political points. They could have levitated up out of there before the flood, just like your guru Rama Lenz who floated above that crowd of people in the golden light-filled lecture hall you rented down in L.A. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
Well, I think Hamilton Burger could have mounted a better defense than Robin put up, and of course, that's not saying much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Sounds like Robin's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar...doesn't portend well... Yet, loyal viewers know, that with Perry Mason in Robin's corner, he cannot lose. SPOILER ALERT: It turns out a major witness in the case, known only as Dutch Crunch, severely perjured himself, and was deemed unreliable. After that, the prosecutor moved for dismissal, while slicking more pomade into his hair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I consider Robin to be my mentor and I will go hard at anyone trying to slander him, misrepresent, indulge in malicious, vindictive behavior. On the witness stand: Mr. Carlsen, did you state in an unequivocal manner that you never, and would never, strike someone in the course of conducting your confrontations Why yes, I did state that And were you then forced to retract that statement when witnesses came forward who could provide first hand accounts that you did indeed strike people on occasion, in the course of your confrontations Well yes, I was forced to retract that statement, but... So, Mr. Carlsen, you lied when you stated that you have never struck anyone in the course of your confrontations Yes, but.. No further questions Mr. Carlsen
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:56 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Wasn't there also a mysterious, beautiful woman from Victoria, BC introduced by Perry Mason that caused a total disarray to the prosecution's case? Au contraire, Pierre. It was the slimy reporter who, doing his best to help out the prosecutor, found himself in deep shit because he hadn't been paying attention to the defense's case and got the story badly fouled up. Right, and I just said Perry Mason by force of habit. The defense attorney is a woman named Presley Mason - from NJ I believe? Of course Dutch Crunch's sordid past certainly did them no favors. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:38 AM, doctordumbass@... no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Sounds like Robin's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar...doesn't portend well... Yet, loyal viewers know, that with Perry Mason in Robin's corner, he cannot lose. SPOILER ALERT: It turns out a major witness in the case, known only as Dutch Crunch, severely perjured himself, and was deemed unreliable. After that, the prosecutor moved for dismissal, while slicking more pomade into his hair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I consider Robin to be my mentor and I will go hard at anyone trying to slander him, misrepresent, indulge in malicious, vindictive behavior. On the witness stand: Mr. Carlsen, did you state in an unequivocal manner that you never, and would never, strike someone in the course of conducting your confrontations Why yes, I did state that And were you then forced to retract that statement when witnesses came forward who could provide first hand accounts that you did indeed strike people on occasion, in the course of your confrontations Well yes, I was forced to retract that statement, but... So, Mr. Carlsen, you lied when you stated that you have never struck anyone in the course of your confrontations Yes, but.. No further questions Mr. Carlsen
[FairfieldLife] Old Stories
I was thinking this morning of the reaction of the folks at MIU when marshy first introduced ayurveda. At MIU anyway, it was a pretty big deal, with a lot of build up from the Big Bopper about how marshy was cognizing the lost aspects of ayurveda and how this branch of vedic knowledge was going to transform human life and accelerate all TM'ers evolution towards enlightenment. At the time, it was the first thing since the introduction of TMSP and group flying. A lot of people were pretty surprised that there was something new being offered since we had always been told all we needed was TM and of course the greater blessing of TMSP which was 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone. But it only took a day or two before the lemmings were lining up to plunge over the ayurvedic cliff. People crowded around the big tubs of hot milk and ghee that was offered every morning, people were agog over the idea that we should not take cold foods and especially no cold beverages. The cooks and bakers were informed that one should only stir food in a clockwise direction (I forget why, but if one became bored all one had to do was stir in a counter clockwise direction in the presence of a True Marshy Ayurveda believer to see them jump around, waving their arms and gasping as though the stirrer was creating cosmic havoc that might lead to instant annihilation of everyone present.) The most interesting thing was to see the reaction of people to some of the more ridiculous crap that was presented as truth such as the ayurvedic injunction of a man not looking at or touching his wife for the first half of the day on the first day of her menstrual cycle. This applied only to married couples of course - marshy ayurveda didn't believe anyone could violate the laws of nature to the extent of having sex outside marriage. This particular piece of information was not intended to be common knowledge at first. The Movement had brought over some guys from India, supposed experts in ayurveda, who were giving lectures, most of which were for all faculty, staff and students. But there was one that was announced to be only for married couples. This lecture aroused a great deal of curiosity in the unmarried friends of the married couples, who of course gave the juicy details of the lecture to their friends practically as soon as it was over. I never heard the rational behind the injunction but it sounded as if ayurveda thought a woman's energy was compromised when she has her period and much more importantly, the idea was that HER energy would somehow denigrate the MAN'S energy so he should not look at or touch her to save himself from some bad vibes. A lot of people were a little ticked off over the idea, mostly women were ticked off. The men folk however, governors especially, felt somehow vindicated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting the Metadata
Most people already think they're the center of universe... And being spied on by NSA will only inflate that delusion even more, LOL According to what I've read, people who frequent social networking sites and upload their data and media want to avoid anonymity - they want their own fifteen minutes of fame. Most people who post are concerned about leaving a legacy of some sort, even if it's a few twitter postings. Go figure. Bhairitu: Sorry Richard, you are just too boring to be a person of interest. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you post your comments. LoL! 'We Are Anonymous' Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the Global Cyber Insurgency by P. Olsen Back Bay Books, 2013
[FairfieldLife] Re: Old Stories
Utterly fascinating. I missed all of this. The first I ever heard of Maharishi Ayurveda was when I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental, after a decade and a half of having no contact with the TM movement at all. Loved your writeup of it all. It reminded me of Kurt Vonnegut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 wrote: I was thinking this morning of the reaction of the folks at MIU when marshy first introduced ayurveda. At MIU anyway, it was a pretty big deal, with a lot of build up from the Big Bopper about how marshy was cognizing the lost aspects of ayurveda and how this branch of vedic knowledge was going to transform human life and accelerate all TM'ers evolution towards enlightenment. At the time, it was the first thing since the introduction of TMSP and group flying. A lot of people were pretty surprised that there was something new being offered since we had always been told all we needed was TM and of course the greater blessing of TMSP which was 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone. But it only took a day or two before the lemmings were lining up to plunge over the ayurvedic cliff. People crowded around the big tubs of hot milk and ghee that was offered every morning, people were agog over the idea that we should not take cold foods and especially no cold beverages. The cooks and bakers were informed that one should only stir food in a clockwise direction (I forget why, but if one became bored all one had to do was stir in a counter clockwise direction in the presence of a True Marshy Ayurveda believer to see them jump around, waving their arms and gasping as though the stirrer was creating cosmic havoc that might lead to instant annihilation of everyone present.) The most interesting thing was to see the reaction of people to some of the more ridiculous crap that was presented as truth such as the ayurvedic injunction of a man not looking at or touching his wife for the first half of the day on the first day of her menstrual cycle. This applied only to married couples of course - marshy ayurveda didn't believe anyone could violate the laws of nature to the extent of having sex outside marriage. This particular piece of information was not intended to be common knowledge at first. The Movement had brought over some guys from India, supposed experts in ayurveda, who were giving lectures, most of which were for all faculty, staff and students. But there was one that was announced to be only for married couples. This lecture aroused a great deal of curiosity in the unmarried friends of the married couples, who of course gave the juicy details of the lecture to their friends practically as soon as it was over. I never heard the rational behind the injunction but it sounded as if ayurveda thought a woman's energy was compromised when she has her period and much more importantly, the idea was that HER energy would somehow denigrate the MAN'S energy so he should not look at or touch her to save himself from some bad vibes. A lot of people were a little ticked off over the idea, mostly women were ticked off. The men folk however, governors especially, felt somehow vindicated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, not defeating them. It's the same thing Lawson, defeating gravity is the same as mastering it, it no longer affects you. Affects you differently might be more accurate. MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of the TM-Sidhis]. The laws in the vicinity of our planet are stupid? He clearly never studied physics like he claimed then, for they are the same everywhere. The laws of nature are the devas, in Maharishi-speak. When they aren't dealt with appropriately, the behavior of the devas defaults to the laws of physics and so on. When they are dealt with appropriately, they can be reasoned with, or coaxed, or something, to behave in ways different than their default mode of conduct. Or something. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellectual dishonesty, the definition...redux
So,it's all about Robin, whom you never met, and whose posts you never read. LoL! turquoiseb: I suspect, given the posts made recently by Ann, Doc, Ravi, and Judy supporting Robin in the face of direct quotes from him that show him lying repeatedly on this forum, that it might be time to repost something Xeno posted earlier in the week (highlighting mine): Here is a simple criterion I found on the 'Net: 'Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. *If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest.* *If one deflects criticism of a friend or ally simply because they are a friend or ally, that is intellectually dishonest*.'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?
If you have questions then ask so we can explain some of these tings to you. Thanks. So, who is Edward Snowden? Bhairitu: Already discussed it yesterday. Didn't you decode the message or did you lose your decoder ring already? So, you don't know who Edward Snowden is. So, who is LulzSec? 'We Are Anonymous' Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the Global Cyber Insurgency by P. Olsen Back Bay Books, 2013
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting the Metadata
That metadata includes which version of the operating system, browser and Java software are being used on millions of devices around the world Bloomberg: http://tinyurl.com/mvaew4f Bhairitu: Very standard stuff you get back from your web host... Out in California in the Bay Area, they are recording your license plate number and VIN every time you drive into town. They know who you are, who you are friends with, and who you text and talk to. Along with your SS number they know everything about you - there's no secrets anymore! Your license-plate data is instantly sent to the nearest intelligence data center. According to what I've read, the database will be capable of handling over 100 million records inside a rather large black ops building with no windows and a fence around it with armed guards at the gate, FOREVER. The license plate data will be accessible to local and state law enforcement across the region in a moment's notice and shared with the FBI and the NSA. At a rapid pace, and mostly hidden from the public, police agencies throughout California have been collecting millions of records on drivers and feeding them to intelligence fusion centers operated by local, state and federal law enforcement... License-plate readers let police collect millions of records on drivers' http://tinyurl.com/pnac4gm 'Think NSA Spying Is Bad? Here Comes ObamaCare Hub' http://tinyurl.com/ohvsdt2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, not defeating them. It's the same thing Lawson, defeating gravity is the same as mastering it, it no longer affects you. Affects you differently might be more accurate. MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of the TM-Sidhis]. The laws in the vicinity of our planet are stupid? He clearly never studied physics like he claimed then, for they are the same everywhere. The laws of nature are the devas, in Maharishi-speak. When they aren't dealt with appropriately, the behavior of the devas defaults to the laws of physics and so on. When they are dealt with appropriately, they can be reasoned with, or coaxed, or something, to behave in ways different than their default mode of conduct. Or something. Or something, yes. I sense we shouldn't be relying on these guys for our science updates. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellectual dishonesty, the definition...redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: So,it's all about Robin, whom you never met, and whose posts you never read. LoL! Touché, Willy...I'll give you that one. :-) But my Do Not Read List was so...uh...Yesterday. For several months now I've just read what I felt like reading, for as long as it held my interest. More like skimming, actually, because few hold my interest after the first few lines, let alone inspire a response. Suffice it to say that your posts didn't get much air time. You may consider this response payoff for your troll bait if you like. :-) turquoiseb: I suspect, given the posts made recently by Ann, Doc, Ravi, and Judy supporting Robin in the face of direct quotes from him that show him lying repeatedly on this forum, that it might be time to repost something Xeno posted earlier in the week (highlighting mine): Here is a simple criterion I found on the 'Net: 'Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. *If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest.* *If one deflects criticism of a friend or ally simply because they are a friend or ally, that is intellectually dishonest*.'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: The irony, for me, is that ever since Robin decided he was perfect 25 years ago, he has never done TM again, or so his words in that message and more recently, to me, seem to apply. Does the term stuck mean anything? It describes your view of Robin quite well, actually. Among other things, that view appears to get in the way of reading what he's actually written (including getting the dates wrong). You might just want to reread the paragraph from my post that you quote that begins According to him... and compare it to what you just wrote above. (According to him refers to his posts on FFL, in case that was a source of confusion for you.) No, he never did TM after he realized, around 1986, that his enlightenment in 1976 (37 years ago) had been a state that had fostered serious delusions. For the next 25-plus years, he struggled to *get out* of that state of enlightenment-cum-delusion. How it could *possibly* be seen as ironic that he did not continue the practice that was responsible for the state that had resulted in extreme suffering for himself and many other people is unclear to me. He wanted nothing more than to be free of that state. And apparently he's been pretty successful at getting *unstuck* from it. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: And my respect for Robin is a logical extension of it - he must have thought of himself, carried on from his Guru Maharishi, as infallible and invulnerable when he became a Guru. I'm not sure that's quite how it happened, Ravi. At least it isn't according to Robin. He says the sense of infallibility and invulnerability were *experiential*, not some ideas he picked up from Maharishi. Robin's not a moodmaker (TM term meaning, essentially, pretending to oneself that one is in an advanced state of consciousness). Did you ever read his account of what happened on the mountain? Have a look: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316412 According to him, that experience *never went away*, until he fought it off little by little starting 10 years later after the group collapsed. It took him 25 years to get rid of most of it, to get his free will back, his sense of individuality back. From what he says, it was a titanic, prolonged, agonizing struggle that nearly killed him. If you're up to it, have a look at this too: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316397 It's his first response to LordKnows's attack last August, and it's a pretty good overall summary of his experience during those 10 years. Then because of reality's grace he was humbled into admitting his fallibility and vulnerability The way I read what he's said, he was forced to recognize that he *must* be fallible and vulnerable, but it took much, much longer for him to *experience* himself as such. It wasn't like having a profound insight in a therapist's office and then seeing everything in one's life differently as a result. It wasn't *psychological*, in other words. and thereby developing the qualities I mention. I think these qualities of Robin are very charming. Those qualities were developed at tremendous cost. Xeno and Barry - too fucking retarded to understand it. Yup. I have to say, though, that I don't think any of us--you more than most, but still--can really understand what he went through. I know I don't. I have the broad outlines conceptually, but no more than that. Hell, as articulate as he is, he can't *explain* it much more than that. But it's certainly entirely possible to understand it better than Barry and Xeno do. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: Of course then this is the very basis of my arguments against Gurus like Amma and Maharishi as well. The minute they proclaim themselves as infallible, invulnerable with a special insight into reality they can never have the qualities of accountability, self-honesty and integrity. And in the absence of that their core remains stunted, the character and personality remains stunted. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: With regard to your last paragraph, yes that is the difference isn't it? How much accountability does one shows to all of one's actions, and at a deeper level one's thoughts, emotionsâ. This accountability then translates to one's self-honesty and ultimately to integrity. So my measures of a person are then these 3 qualities - accountability, self-honesty and integrity. Who displays these qualities? Clearly each one of us are fallible, vulnerable and we
[FairfieldLife] Old Stories
I was thinking this morning of the reaction of the folks at MIU when marshy first introduced ayurveda. At MIU anyway, it was a pretty big deal, with a lot of build up from the Big Bopper about how marshy was cognizing the lost aspects of ayurveda and how this branch of vedic knowledge was going to transform human life and accelerate all TM'ers evolution towards enlightenment. At the time, it was the first thing since the introduction of TMSP and group flying. A lot of people were pretty surprised that there was something new being offered since we had always been told all we needed was TM and of course the greater blessing of TMSP which was 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone. But it only took a day or two before the lemmings were lining up to plunge over the ayurvedic cliff. People crowded around the big tubs of hot milk and ghee that was offered every morning, people were agog over the idea that we should not take cold foods and especially no cold beverages. The cooks and bakers were informed that one should only stir food in a clockwise direction (I forget why, but if one became bored all one had to do was stir in a counter clockwise direction in the presence of a True Marshy Ayurveda believer to see them jump around, waving their arms and gasping as though the stirrer was creating cosmic havoc that might lead to instant annihilation of everyone present.) The most interesting thing was to see the reaction of people to some of the more ridiculous crap that was presented as truth such as the ayurvedic injunction of a man not looking at or touching his wife for the first half of the day on the first day of her menstrual cycle. This applied only to married couples of course - marshy ayurveda didn't believe anyone could violate the laws of nature to the extent of having sex outside marriage. This particular piece of information was not intended to be common knowledge at first. The Movement had brought over some guys from India, supposed experts in ayurveda, who were giving lectures, most of which were for all faculty, staff and students. But there was one that was announced to be only for married couples. This lecture aroused a great deal of curiosity in the unmarried friends of the married couples, who of course gave the juicy details of the lecture to their friends practically as soon as it was over. I never heard the rational behind the injunction but it sounded as if ayurveda thought a woman's energy was compromised when she has her period and much more importantly, the idea was that HER energy would somehow denigrate the MAN'S energy so he should not look at or touch her to save himself from some bad vibes. A lot of people were a little ticked off over the idea, mostly women were ticked off. The men folk however, governors especially, felt somehow vindicated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The ick factor -- an opinion by George Takei
turquoiseb: Some of you may know or even follow the blog or Facebook page created by George Takei (Sulu from Star Trek). There is some question as to whether he writes *all* of the material or finds *all* of the wonderful graphics he forwards, but they are consistently delightful. Here, in an opinion piece for the Washington Post, he gets serious for once. At least as serious as he gets: George Takei voted for Bill Clinton who signed into law the DOMA. LoL! http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-takei-a-defeat-for-doma--and-the-end-of-ick/2013/06/27/d3c986dc-dd10-11e2-9218-bc2ac7cd44e2_story.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
Judy, I enjoy making nicknames for people. DanDen is my nickname for Daniel Dennett. As for the arrow thingie, I think it's wonderful that it makes me smile even if that isn't your intention. There was no reason for me to google on DD until someone said he is a scientist. The article said he was a philosopher and I took that at face value, not wondering if he was also a scientist or a fireman or an organic farmer. Wouldn't August-August suggest the same age? Maybe we should say May-June or November-December? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy wrote: Robin and I are the same age (actually I'm two years older than Robin). Share quips: methinks this qualifies for a plonk (-: I guess you've never seen the expression Barry used, May-December, huh? In that context, Robin and I would actually be August-August, you see. Barry knows how old I am. I don't know where he got the idea Robin was much younger (or much older). Just another one of the increasing number of bloopers Barry's been making as he ages. But thanks for google arrow thingie re DanDen and all his various degrees. Always makes me smile. The arrow thingie that is. DanDen? Who's that? BTW, the point of the Google arrow thingie is not to make you smile, it's to suggest that you could do the same thing by yourself and find out most of the facts you're interested in knowing. The letters LMGTFY in the URL stand for Let Me Google That For You. Meaning, don't be helpless. Stir your stumps, as my grandmother would have said. How long have you been on the Web, again?
[FairfieldLife] What's Flyin?
Curious about those aircraft flying overhead in your neighborhood? You can find out here who is flying. I haven't tried it during flight time in Fairfield yet. And yes, they DO have apps. http://www.flightradar24.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXCDv0IorMQ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: The irony, for me, is that ever since Robin decided he was perfect 25 years ago, he has never done TM again, or so his words in that message and more recently, to me, seem to apply. Does the term stuck mean anything? It describes your view of Robin quite well, actually. Among other things, that view appears to get in the way of reading what he's actually written (including getting the dates wrong). You might just want to reread the paragraph from my post that you quote that begins According to him... and compare it to what you just wrote above. (According to him refers to his posts on FFL, in case that was a source of confusion for you.) No, he never did TM after he realized, around 1986, that his enlightenment in 1976 (37 years ago) had been a state that had fostered serious delusions. For the next 25-plus years, he struggled to *get out* of that state of enlightenment-cum-delusion. How it could *possibly* be seen as ironic that he did not continue the practice that was responsible for the state that had resulted in extreme suffering for himself and many other people is unclear to me. He wanted nothing more than to be free of that state. And apparently he's been pretty successful at getting *unstuck* from it. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: And my respect for Robin is a logical extension of it - he must have thought of himself, carried on from his Guru Maharishi, as infallible and invulnerable when he became a Guru. I'm not sure that's quite how it happened, Ravi. At least it isn't according to Robin. He says the sense of infallibility and invulnerability were *experiential*, not some ideas he picked up from Maharishi. Robin's not a moodmaker (TM term meaning, essentially, pretending to oneself that one is in an advanced state of consciousness). Did you ever read his account of what happened on the mountain? Have a look: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316412 According to him, that experience *never went away*, until he fought it off little by little starting 10 years later after the group collapsed. It took him 25 years to get rid of most of it, to get his free will back, his sense of individuality back. From what he says, it was a titanic, prolonged, agonizing struggle that nearly killed him. If you're up to it, have a look at this too: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316397 It's his first response to LordKnows's attack last August, and it's a pretty good overall summary of his experience during those 10 years. Then because of reality's grace he was humbled into admitting his fallibility and vulnerability The way I read what he's said, he was forced to recognize that he *must* be fallible and vulnerable, but it took much, much longer for him to *experience* himself as such. It wasn't like having a profound insight in a therapist's office and then seeing everything in one's life differently as a result. It wasn't *psychological*, in other words. and thereby developing the qualities I mention. I think these qualities of Robin are very charming. Those qualities were developed at tremendous cost. Xeno and Barry - too fucking retarded to understand it. Yup. I have to say, though, that I don't think any of us--you more than most, but still--can really understand what he went through. I know I don't. I have the broad outlines conceptually, but no more than that. Hell, as articulate as he is, he can't *explain* it much more than that. But it's certainly entirely possible to understand it better than Barry and Xeno do. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: Of course then this is the very basis of my arguments against Gurus like Amma and Maharishi as well. The minute they proclaim themselves as infallible, invulnerable with a special insight into reality they can never have the qualities of accountability, self-honesty and integrity. And in the absence of that their core remains stunted, the character and personality remains stunted. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: With regard to your last paragraph, yes that is the difference isn't it? How much accountability does one shows to all of one's actions, and at a deeper level one's thoughts, emotionsâ. This accountability then translates
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Oz Water
My German obviously comes from my Dad's side. I'm half Irish, a little from both sides, and 3/8 English, again from both sides. I've heard that Swiss can be French or German. Is there also pure Swiss? Yes, I clicked on CC. Once I found it! I'm thinking of seeing White House Down tomorrow. I love political thrillers. Am currently reading The Messenger by Daniel Silva. Heavy duty spy story. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Oz Water On 06/26/2013 02:03 PM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, well I'm one eighth german (Longlocher). Maybe I should listen to the movie over and over (-: The Lives of Others has been discussed a bit on FFL when it came out. It is a story about the Stasi in East Germany during the Cold War era. The NSA is America's version of the Stasi. I was surprised to find the full version on YouTube but either Sony Pictures doesn't know its there or doesn't care (wants people to see it anyway). Like I said to Willy you can click on the CC (closed caption) dialog to bring up the English subtitles. The film won an Oscar: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/ I'm 1/2 German, 1/4 Swiss and 1/4 Welsh. I don't know German and it would have been a better language for me to take in high school but all those classes were booked up so I took French instead. Spanish was probably booked up too. German was the easiest to learn hence why it was booked up. French was going to be the international language but that didn't happen. It was fun being it France though for TTC though I didn't get to use my French much. In Biarritz they would just tell you to speak English since a lot of Brits came there for vacations. My Swiss grandfather had a helluva German accent. He was from Sils. I took a screenwriting class in Film grad school at Univ of Maryland. I think to be good at it, a person really has to have an ear for that way people talk in real life. Very important. Nothing like stilted lines to kill one's film. I read a little of the Under the Dome synopsis. I was wondering what you liked about it. It broke away from the hoke we usually get with these kinds of series. I liked that it was shot like a 70s sci-fi movie but I mentioned that already. Folks on the TV forums were pleased that it was better than past attempts at Stephen King book to TV series. Is there one computer language that is the most utilized? Probably C. If you know C then you can begin to use some features of C++. Also if you know C then Java isn't that hard either and especially if you know some C++. You don't need complete command of a computer language to write programs though. Some of us write with books in our laps though those have been replaced by Google searches which usually turn up answers on the Stack Overflow site. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Oz Water On 06/25/2013 08:16 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, finally found my Dr. Lad book. I'll just let the idea of pitta blocking to simmer on the back burner of my mind, see what understanding arises. As for languages, I took French and Latin in high school and French in college; Sanskrit at MUM; pig Latin on FFL; a little Japanese from watching Sho-gun which even has the learning of Japanese as a subplot. I suggested it to a friend of mine who was going to Japan and she found it useful. A career test once found that I have pretty good skill at learning a new language. I'd sort of like to learn Spanish but not enough to take the time away from other pursuits. Do you know any computer languages and if yes, is it very different learning them? If you know some French and Latin then Spanish won't be too difficult. But they way they taught languages back in the 1960s was horrible. My French teachers weren't language teachers, they were Frenchophiles. IOW, enamored with France and it's culture but used very wooden language drills. Now we know that people learn languages differently and most can learn the children pick up a language. The Rosetta Stone CDs (I have the intro Hindi one) and the eLanguage CDs teach by showing pictures so you start associating images with words. I also found the DK book on Hindi to be very good and foolishly bought their Spanish book and CD which was not put together that well at all. These days we have Spanish TV stations so one can watch shows in Spanish and start to pick up vocabulary as well as pronunciation. Plus many DVDs are multilingual and make good learning tools. Here in California knowing some Spanish can be quite useful. Computer languages are something different. They are the paint and brushes to create a computer program. You also
[FairfieldLife] A spiritual horse story for Ann
Well, *I* see some spiritual dimensions in it, anyway: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-turnstile/horse-throws-rider-goes-win-race-belmont-130603903.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, I enjoy making nicknames for people. DanDen is my nickname for Daniel Dennett. Oh, I see. Seems rather juvenile to me, frankly. As for the arrow thingie, I think it's wonderful that it makes me smile even if that isn't your intention. There was no reason for me to google on DD until someone said he is a scientist. The article said he was a philosopher and I took that at face value, not wondering if he was also a scientist or a fireman or an organic farmer. Right. And when someone (me) said he was a scientist, you could have Googled him *all by yourself* and verified that he was indeed a scientist. Wouldn't August-August suggest the same age? Maybe we should say May-June or November-December? Somebody else explain this to her, please. I've done my clue-in-the-airhead duty for the week.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What's Flyin?
This thing isn't worth a crap! It doesn't show what alien craft are flying overhead nor which ones have crop stomping gear in the undercarriage of the spacecraft. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] What's Flyin? Curious about those aircraft flying overhead in your neighborhood? You can find out here who is flying. I haven't tried it during flight time in Fairfield yet. And yes, they DO have apps. http://www.flightradar24.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Old Stories
Damn, that's high praise Barry, I appreciate it. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Old Stories Utterly fascinating. I missed all of this. The first I ever heard of Maharishi Ayurveda was when I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental, after a decade and a half of having no contact with the TM movement at all. Loved your writeup of it all. It reminded me of Kurt Vonnegut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 wrote: I was thinking this morning of the reaction of the folks at MIU when marshy first introduced ayurveda. At MIU anyway, it was a pretty big deal, with a lot of build up from the Big Bopper about how marshy was cognizing the lost aspects of ayurveda and how this branch of vedic knowledge was going to transform human life and accelerate all TM'ers evolution towards enlightenment. At the time, it was the first thing since the introduction of TMSP and group flying. A lot of people were pretty surprised that there was something new being offered since we had always been told all we needed was TM and of course the greater blessing of TMSP which was 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone. But it only took a day or two before the lemmings were lining up to plunge over the ayurvedic cliff. People crowded around the big tubs of hot milk and ghee that was offered every morning, people were agog over the idea that we should not take cold foods and especially no cold beverages. The cooks and bakers were informed that one should only stir food in a clockwise direction (I forget why, but if one became bored all one had to do was stir in a counter clockwise direction in the presence of a True Marshy Ayurveda believer to see them jump around, waving their arms and gasping as though the stirrer was creating cosmic havoc that might lead to instant annihilation of everyone present.) The most interesting thing was to see the reaction of people to some of the more ridiculous crap that was presented as truth such as the ayurvedic injunction of a man not looking at or touching his wife for the first half of the day on the first day of her menstrual cycle. This applied only to married couples of course - marshy ayurveda didn't believe anyone could violate the laws of nature to the extent of having sex outside marriage. This particular piece of information was not intended to be common knowledge at first. The Movement had brought over some guys from India, supposed experts in ayurveda, who were giving lectures, most of which were for all faculty, staff and students. But there was one that was announced to be only for married couples. This lecture aroused a great deal of curiosity in the unmarried friends of the married couples, who of course gave the juicy details of the lecture to their friends practically as soon as it was over. I never heard the rational behind the injunction but it sounded as if ayurveda thought a woman's energy was compromised when she has her period and much more importantly, the idea was that HER energy would somehow denigrate the MAN'S energy so he should not look at or touch her to save himself from some bad vibes. A lot of people were a little ticked off over the idea, mostly women were ticked off. The men folk however, governors especially, felt somehow vindicated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you ever noticed...?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: That the TM defenders and Crazy People defenders on this forum have a tendency to treat those who blow the whistle on lies and impropriety in either the movement they have invested in or the crazy people they have invested in by treating those who blow the whistle the same way the US government treats its whistleblowers? How about how Barry treats those who blow the whistle on his lies and improprieties? We have some splendid examples of this from Barry over the past few days. Shooting the messenger always has the same purpose and intent -- to divert attention away from the message. Usually those of us who go after Barry's lies and improprieties detail and rebut those lies and improprieties before shooting him. Occasionally they're so pathetically obvious we don't bother. Barry, in contrast, *almost always* proceeds directly to shooting those who blow the whistle on his lies and improprieties, without ever addressing the rebuttals thereof, thus thoughtfully demonstrating his intention to divert attention from the message about his chronic and compulsive dishonesty.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
3 planets in Gemini an air sign, what do you expect?! As for DanDen, you say juvenile, I say having fun with names. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, I enjoy making nicknames for people. DanDen is my nickname for Daniel Dennett. Oh, I see. Seems rather juvenile to me, frankly. As for the arrow thingie, I think it's wonderful that it makes me smile even if that isn't your intention. There was no reason for me to google on DD until someone said he is a scientist. The article said he was a philosopher and I took that at face value, not wondering if he was also a scientist or a fireman or an organic farmer. Right. And when someone (me) said he was a scientist, you could have Googled him *all by yourself* and verified that he was indeed a scientist. Wouldn't August-August suggest the same age? Maybe we should say May-June or November-December? Somebody else explain this to her, please. I've done my clue-in-the-airhead duty for the week.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A spiritual horse story for Ann
turq, what spiritual dimensions do you see? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A spiritual horse story for Ann Well, *I* see some spiritual dimensions in it, anyway: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-turnstile/horse-throws-rider-goes-win-race-belmont-130603903.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] What's Flyin?
You need the Premium subscription for that! On 06/27/2013 01:44 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: This thing isn't worth a crap! It doesn't show what alien craft are flying overhead nor which ones have crop stomping gear in the undercarriage of the spacecraft. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] What's Flyin? Curious about those aircraft flying overhead in your neighborhood? You can find out here who is flying. I haven't tried it during flight time in Fairfield yet. And yes, they DO have apps. http://www.flightradar24.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A culture of PR and Spin, ending with...uh...more PR and Spin
Hey Doc, I really like the idea of assuming the identity of the small self for convenience sake. Never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 1:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A culture of PR and Spin, ending with...uh...more PR and Spin Then, once spiritual liberation is achieved, we can circle back around, without boundaries, and re-assume the identity of the small self, for convenience' sake. The small self rightly assumes its graceful servitude, its rightful place in the universe. Prior to that occurring, though, the small self, and its repressed universal nature, are pretty much at war; the small self always fighting for longer life, better health, more wealth, more power, happiness within, trying to contain all of the attributes of its own universal source, that it simultaneously drives away, by falsely believing in only its own story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Enlightenment, or awakening, is the next obvious step in a human being's development. We are awakened to the reality that boundaries are secondary to unity. Similar to the awareness of a localized self, developed around age two or three, and as natural a progression as that from crawling, to walking. So, once we begin to naturally outgrow all that our small self, our localized self, can offer, we instinctively gravitate towards spiritual liberation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I just don't understand people i guess. BTW, all you folk who feel a need to seek out the awakened... When was the last time you got checked? I was having similar thoughts earlier today, on the train back to Paris. Buck cites some new gun in town as some- one who is supposedly awakened. And why? Because he *says* he is, probably. If you look at it rationally, that is the *only* evidence we have that an awakened state actually exists -- people interpreting their subjective experience in terms of some past or present dogma about enlightenment or awakening and saying, Yep, I'm there. Yet many people find these *claims* both inspiring, and believable. Go figure. Personally, I think that the reason people think this way is to Justify Their Investment In A Lifetime Spent Believing In Woo. To me, it's the *same* phenomenon we see in Nabby hoping beyond hope that crop circles are the result of Woo, or that a supposedly spinning statue is an example of Woo. Any Woo Will Do. It's as if they feel that if they can find even *one* example of Woo -- no matter how anecdotal it may be, no matter how based on hearsay and subjective claims it may be -- that one example of Woo will justify all the time, money, and energy they spent pursuing Woo. TM checking isn't going to do anything to get rid of such longings, and such hopes. Neither, it seems, is the presentation of rational thought, or the scientific method. The desire for Woo is all-consuming, whatever form of Woo it is that the seeker seeks. If they can find even *one* person they can convince themselves is awakened or enlightened, then (they think) awakening or enlightenment EXIST, and their lives spent believing that they exist were not a waste. If they can find even one example of what they consider real magic or Woo, then magic and Woo EXIST, and again their lives were not wasted pursuing it. That's the only rationale I can think of for why so many New Agey people (in which category I definitely class most TMers) think, and act. If you have other explanations, present them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The ick factor -- an opinion by George Takei
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: turquoiseb: Some of you may know or even follow the blog or Facebook page created by George Takei (Sulu from Star Trek). There is some question as to whether he writes *all* of the material or finds *all* of the wonderful graphics he forwards, but they are consistently delightful. Here, in an opinion piece for the Washington Post, he gets serious for once. At least as serious as he gets: George Takei voted for Bill Clinton who signed into law the DOMA. LoL! http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-takei-a-defeat-for-doma--and-the-end-of-ick/2013/06/27/d3c986dc-dd10-11e2-9218-bc2ac7cd44e2_story.html It's time to overturn DOMA By Bill Clinton,March 07, 2013 In 1996, I signed the Defense of Marriage Act. Although that was only 17 years ago, it was a very different time. In no state in the union was same-sex marriage recognized, much less available as a legal right, but some were moving in that direction. Washington, as a result, was swirling with all manner of possible responses, some quite draconian. As a bipartisan group of former senators stated in their March 1 amicus brief to the Supreme Court, many supporters of the bill known as DOMA believed that its passage would defuse a movement to enact a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, which would have ended the debate for a generation or more. It was under these circumstances that DOMA came to my desk, opposed by only 81 of the 535 members of Congress. On March 27, DOMA will come before the Supreme Court, and the justices must decide whether it is consistent with the principles of a nation that honors freedom, equality and justice above all, and is therefore constitutional. As the president who signed the act into law, I have come to believe that DOMA is contrary to those principles and, in fact, incompatible with our Constitution. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-07/opinions/37528448_1_doma-defense-of-marriage-act-marriage-equality
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting the Metadata
Richard, Piaget described a quality appearing in a later stage of life which he called Generativity. It's marked by a desire to give to the next generation whatever we've found to be useful and or beneficial. At least for Piaget, it is human nature. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting the Metadata Most people already think they're the center of universe... Share Long: And being spied on by NSA will only inflate that delusion even more, LOL According to what I've read, people who frequent social networking sites and upload their data and media want to avoid anonymity - they want their own fifteen minutes of fame. Most people who post are concerned about leaving a legacy of some sort, even if it's a few twitter postings. Go figure. I've been looking around had who has jobs and it seems a lot of people are working for the government and military nowadays. Not my cuppa tea. As close as I've come to that was a temp worker for EDS. If you are young these days, you're screwed; if you're older, you're really screwed. WHAT me worry? LoL! One of the responses to the revelations about the mass spying on Americans by the NSA and other agencies is I have nothing to hide. What me worry? I tweeted in response If you have nothing to hide, you live a boring life. Posted by Alex Tabarrok: http://tinyurl.com/mvnxd34 Smile, you're on candid camera. LoL! Ethay ildrenchay ofway ethay orncay ingsay: Ogastahyay urukay armanikay. You are certainly connecting all the dots. LoL! Bhairitu: So what did I say? We are in the best of hands? LoL! Nope. Try again. Let's see if Willy can connect the dots. ;-) An assault on the U.S. Constitution? Next, they'll be forcing us to quarter federal troops in our own homes! Politico: http://tinyurl.com/n5fpdc3
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellectual dishonesty, the definition...redux
I said he was not a sociopath, asshole. That's it. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I suspect, given the posts made recently by Ann, Doc, Ravi, and Judy supporting Robin in the face of direct quotes from him that show him lying repeatedly on this forum, that it might be time to repost something Xeno posted earlier in the week (highlighting mine): Here is a simple criterion I found on the 'Net: 'Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. *If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest.* *If one deflects criticism of a friend or ally simply because they are a friend or ally, that is intellectually dishonest*.'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
Sharbare, or Share bear, I think you are alright, even if there is a little fluff in the middle.. :) If you have those cute pajamas with the feet in them...well Share bear would be more like it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: 3 planets in Gemini an air sign, what do you expect?! As for DanDen, you say juvenile, I say having fun with names. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me... Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, I enjoy making nicknames for people. DanDen is my nickname for Daniel Dennett. Oh, I see. Seems rather juvenile to me, frankly. As for the arrow thingie, I think it's wonderful that it makes me smile even if that isn't your intention. There was no reason for me to google on DD until someone said he is a scientist. The article said he was a philosopher and I took that at face value, not wondering if he was also a scientist or a fireman or an organic farmer. Right. And when someone (me) said he was a scientist, you could have Googled him *all by yourself* and verified that he was indeed a scientist. Wouldn't August-August suggest the same age? Maybe we should say May-June or November-December? Somebody else explain this to her, please. I've done my clue-in-the-airhead duty for the week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...
Yep - Perry always wins, to Della's delight, while Paul Drake does whatever he does, in private. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHqebO8aAc4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Well, I think Hamilton Burger could have mounted a better defense than Robin put up, and of course, that's not saying much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Sounds like Robin's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar...doesn't portend well... Yet, loyal viewers know, that with Perry Mason in Robin's corner, he cannot lose. SPOILER ALERT: It turns out a major witness in the case, known only as Dutch Crunch, severely perjured himself, and was deemed unreliable. After that, the prosecutor moved for dismissal, while slicking more pomade into his hair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I consider Robin to be my mentor and I will go hard at anyone trying to slander him, misrepresent, indulge in malicious, vindictive behavior. On the witness stand: Mr. Carlsen, did you state in an unequivocal manner that you never, and would never, strike someone in the course of conducting your confrontations Why yes, I did state that And were you then forced to retract that statement when witnesses came forward who could provide first hand accounts that you did indeed strike people on occasion, in the course of your confrontations Well yes, I was forced to retract that statement, but... So, Mr. Carlsen, you lied when you stated that you have never struck anyone in the course of your confrontations Yes, but.. No further questions Mr. Carlsen
[FairfieldLife] Re: Old Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Utterly fascinating. I missed all of this. The first I ever heard of Maharishi Ayurveda was when I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental, after a decade and a half of having no contact with the TM movement at all. Loved your writeup of it all. It reminded me of Kurt Vonnegut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 wrote: I was thinking this morning of the reaction of the folks at MIU when marshy first introduced ayurveda. At MIU anyway, it was a pretty big deal, with a lot of build up from the Big Bopper about how marshy was cognizing the lost aspects of ayurveda and how this branch of vedic knowledge was going to transform human life and accelerate all TM'ers evolution towards enlightenment. At the time, it was the first thing since the introduction of TMSP and group flying. A lot of people were pretty surprised that there was something new being offered since we had always been told all we needed was TM and of course the greater blessing of TMSP which was 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone. But it only took a day or two before the lemmings were lining up to plunge over the ayurvedic cliff. People crowded around the big tubs of hot milk and ghee that was offered every morning, people were agog over the idea that we should not take cold foods and especially no cold beverages. The cooks and bakers were informed that one should only stir food in a clockwise direction (I forget why, but if one became bored all one had to do was stir in a counter clockwise direction in the presence of a True Marshy Ayurveda believer to see them jump around, waving their arms and gasping as though the stirrer was creating cosmic havoc that might lead to instant annihilation of everyone present.) The most interesting thing was to see the reaction of people to some of the more ridiculous crap that was presented as truth such as the ayurvedic injunction of a man not looking at or touching his wife for the first half of the day on the first day of her menstrual cycle. http://jezebel.com/5919814/the-jewish-law-thats-keeping-ultra+orthodox-women-from-getting-pregnant This applied only to married couples of course - marshy ayurveda didn't believe anyone could violate the laws of nature to the extent of having sex outside marriage. This particular piece of information was not intended to be common knowledge at first. The Movement had brought over some guys from India, supposed experts in ayurveda, who were giving lectures, most of which were for all faculty, staff and students. But there was one that was announced to be only for married couples. This lecture aroused a great deal of curiosity in the unmarried friends of the married couples, who of course gave the juicy details of the lecture to their friends practically as soon as it was over. I never heard the rational behind the injunction but it sounded as if ayurveda thought a woman's energy was compromised when she has her period and much more importantly, the idea was that HER energy would somehow denigrate the MAN'S energy so he should not look at or touch her to save himself from some bad vibes. A lot of people were a little ticked off over the idea, mostly women were ticked off. The men folk however, governors especially, felt somehow vindicated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Old Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Damn, that's high praise Barry, I appreciate it. Maybe he meant it read like science fiction. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Old Stories  Utterly fascinating. I missed all of this. The first I ever heard of Maharishi Ayurveda was when I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental, after a decade and a half of having no contact with the TM movement at all. Loved your writeup of it all. It reminded me of Kurt Vonnegut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 wrote: I was thinking this morning of the reaction of the folks at MIU when marshy first introduced ayurveda. At MIU anyway, it was a pretty big deal, with a lot of build up from the Big Bopper about how marshy was cognizing the lost aspects of ayurveda and how this branch of vedic knowledge was going to transform human life and accelerate all TM'ers evolution towards enlightenment. At the time, it was the first thing since the introduction of TMSP and group flying. A lot of people were pretty surprised that there was something new being offered since we had always been told all we needed was TM and of course the greater blessing of TMSP which was 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone. But it only took a day or two before the lemmings were lining up to plunge over the ayurvedic cliff. People crowded around the big tubs of hot milk and ghee that was offered every morning, people were agog over the idea that we should not take cold foods and especially no cold beverages. The cooks and bakers were informed that one should only stir food in a clockwise direction (I forget why, but if one became bored all one had to do was stir in a counter clockwise direction in the presence of a True Marshy Ayurveda believer to see them jump around, waving their arms and gasping as though the stirrer was creating cosmic havoc that might lead to instant annihilation of everyone present.) The most interesting thing was to see the reaction of people to some of the more ridiculous crap that was presented as truth such as the ayurvedic injunction of a man not looking at or touching his wife for the first half of the day on the first day of her menstrual cycle. This applied only to married couples of course - marshy ayurveda didn't believe anyone could violate the laws of nature to the extent of having sex outside marriage. This particular piece of information was not intended to be common knowledge at first. The Movement had brought over some guys from India, supposed experts in ayurveda, who were giving lectures, most of which were for all faculty, staff and students. But there was one that was announced to be only for married couples. This lecture aroused a great deal of curiosity in the unmarried friends of the married couples, who of course gave the juicy details of the lecture to their friends practically as soon as it was over. I never heard the rational behind the injunction but it sounded as if ayurveda thought a woman's energy was compromised when she has her period and much more importantly, the idea was that HER energy would somehow denigrate the MAN'S energy so he should not look at or touch her to save himself from some bad vibes. A lot of people were a little ticked off over the idea, mostly women were ticked off. The men folk however, governors especially, felt somehow vindicated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A culture of PR and Spin, ending with...uh...more PR and Spin
Yes, complete humility and surrender, though, always. It still remains the only vehicle that we can realize our lifetime karma, within. No matter how universal and cosmic the identity becomes, the individual is the source of expression, and learning. A very strange set of rules, and yet, I cannot help but follow them.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hey Doc, I really like the idea of assuming the identity of the small self for convenience sake. Never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 1:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A culture of PR and Spin, ending with...uh...more PR and Spin  Then, once spiritual liberation is achieved, we can circle back around, without boundaries, and re-assume the identity of the small self, for convenience' sake. The small self rightly assumes its graceful servitude, its rightful place in the universe. Prior to that occurring, though, the small self, and its repressed universal nature, are pretty much at war; the small self always fighting for longer life, better health, more wealth, more power, happiness within, trying to contain all of the attributes of its own universal source, that it simultaneously drives away, by falsely believing in only its own story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Enlightenment, or awakening, is the next obvious step in a human being's development. We are awakened to the reality that boundaries are secondary to unity. Similar to the awareness of a localized self, developed around age two or three, and as natural a progression as that from crawling, to walking. So, once we begin to naturally outgrow all that our small self, our localized self, can offer, we instinctively gravitate towards spiritual liberation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I just don't understand people i guess. BTW, all you folk who feel a need to seek out the awakened... When was the last time you got checked? I was having similar thoughts earlier today, on the train back to Paris. Buck cites some new gun in town as some- one who is supposedly awakened. And why? Because he *says* he is, probably. If you look at it rationally, that is the *only* evidence we have that an awakened state actually exists -- people interpreting their subjective experience in terms of some past or present dogma about enlightenment or awakening and saying, Yep, I'm there. Yet many people find these *claims* both inspiring, and believable. Go figure. Personally, I think that the reason people think this way is to Justify Their Investment In A Lifetime Spent Believing In Woo. To me, it's the *same* phenomenon we see in Nabby hoping beyond hope that crop circles are the result of Woo, or that a supposedly spinning statue is an example of Woo. Any Woo Will Do. It's as if they feel that if they can find even *one* example of Woo -- no matter how anecdotal it may be, no matter how based on hearsay and subjective claims it may be -- that one example of Woo will justify all the time, money, and energy they spent pursuing Woo. TM checking isn't going to do anything to get rid of such longings, and such hopes. Neither, it seems, is the presentation of rational thought, or the scientific method. The desire for Woo is all-consuming, whatever form of Woo it is that the seeker seeks. If they can find even *one* person they can convince themselves is awakened or enlightened, then (they think) awakening or enlightenment EXIST, and their lives spent believing that they exist were not a waste. If they can find even one example of what they consider real magic or Woo, then magic and Woo EXIST, and again their lives were not wasted pursuing it. That's the only rationale I can think of for why so many New Agey people (in which category I definitely class most TMers) think, and act. If you have other explanations, present them.
[FairfieldLife] Das State has its eyes on Bhairitu
http://cironline.org/reports/license-plate-readers-let-police-collect-mi\ llions-records-drivers-4883 http://cironline.org/reports/license-plate-readers-let-police-collect-m\ illions-records-drivers-4883 The local and state police are watching you too - not just the NSA. Blame it on Bush - as usual.
[FairfieldLife] For those of you who dote on science: Foot Orgasm Syndrome
This appears to be a real study listed on PubMed. And people think science is boring. Foot Orgasm Syndrome: A Case Report in a Woman. ABSTRACT: Spontaneous orgasm triggered from inside the foot has so far not been reported in medical literature. INTRODUCTION (extract): In general, people are attracted to nice legs and feet. The foot is an erotic symbol, variably appreciated by different people [1]. Erotic thoughts and feelings about feet may become intentionally accentuated by fashion and the wearing of shoes with high heels, providing a position of the foot that resembles its position during (female) orgasm when feet and toes may automatically go into plantar flexion resulting in arching of the foot and curling of the toes [1, 2]. In society, special attention is paid to the physical relation between foot and pleasant or even sexual feelings by different forms of foot massage. Currently, the association of feet with sexual attraction and eroticism has been explained in terms of psychology and sociology [1]. However, an underlying neurobiological theory of a possible footgenital relationship has so far not been formulated. AIMS: The study aims to report orgasmic feelings in the left foot of a woman. METHODS: A woman presented with complaints of undesired orgasmic sensations originating in her left foot. In-depth interview, physical examination, sensory testing, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI-scan), electromyography (EMG), transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS), and blockade of the left S1 dorsal root ganglion were performed. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: The main outcomes are description of this clinical syndrome, results of TENS application, and S1 dorsal root ganglion blockade. RESULTS: Subtle attenuation of sensory amplitudes of the left suralis, and the left medial and lateral plantar nerve tracts was found at EMG. MRI-scan disclosed no foot abnormalities. TENS at the left metatarso-phalangeal joint-III of the left foot elicited an instant orgasmic sensation that radiated from plantar toward the vagina. TENS applied to the left side of the vagina elicited an orgasm that radiated to the left foot. Diagnostic blockade of the left S1 dorsal root ganglion with 0.8âmL bupivacaine 0.25âmg attenuated the frequency and intensity of orgasmic sensation in the left foot with 50% and 80%, respectively. Additional therapeutic blockade of the same ganglion with 0.8âmL bupivacaine 0.50âmg combined with pulsed radiofrequency treatment resulted in a complete disappearance of the foot-induced orgasmic sensations. CONCLUSION: Foot orgasm syndrome (FOS) is descibed in a woman. Blockade of the left S1 dorsal root ganglion alleviated FOS. It is hypothesized that FOS, occurring 1.5 years after an intensive care emergency, was caused by partial nerve regeneration (axonotmesis), after which afferent (C-fiber) information from a small reinnervated skin area of the left foot and afferent somatic and autonomous (visceral) information from the vagina on at least S1 spinal level is misinterpreted by the brain as being solely information originating from the vagina. Bonus quote from the full text: Compared with a vaginally/clitorally induced orgasm, this left foot-induced orgasm had the following characteristics: (i) the spontaneously induced foot orgasms occurred in the absence of any sexual desire or sexual arousal; (ii) the vaginally/clitorally induced foot orgasms occurred during sexual desire and sexual arousal; (iii) the occurrence of (spontaneous) foot orgasm is very sudden without any preorgasmic built up or latency time as compared with a normal orgasm experience; (iv) the duration is extremely short, around 56 seconds, with a rather abrupt end, uncharacteristic for female orgasm in general; (v) the foot-induced orgasm is perceived unilaterally in the body; (vi) the orgasmic sensations are mainly felt in the left foot, back under the knee and vagina; (vii) there is a daily frequency of about five to six times a day; (viii) although we have not checked or examined it, Mrs A. reported that the foot-induced orgasms are often accompanied by vaginal lubrication and loss of urine.
