[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning sermon about this weeks winners. ;-) Not really. I think wayback covered it sufficiently with her suggestion that people learn from their previous experience and just not bother reading any of the posts by people who you already know won't have anything to say. Using that guideline, I was able to skip 535 posts this week, reducing the total volume of dross I had to wade through to a mere 387 posts. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1 wleed3 1 wgm4u 1 srijau 1 WLeed3 1 Richard J. Williams 1 PaliGap Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
--- Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: They have drowned and driven off what originally had been a substantial community of writers about FFL. I do not feel that FFL should be maintained for these few people to use as their hate-full blog to just write their personal animosities towards each other. It is just abusive all the way around and has wrecked the breadth of a substantial salon that you Rick had hoped for all along with FFL. These people have destroyed the readership of FFL. There were long times that FFL was substantial and important to the spiritual well-being of Fairfield life. Rick it would be better now that you turn off the posting to FFL and now just let the archive stand as the important historical resource that it has become for the scholarly. But shut the posting-list down now and let these people find some other place to bait each other. Buck has a point. Some use this forum as a personal blog and some use it as if it's a family blog. Rick, shut it down temporarily for three weeks. It will give the members the time to rejig and reboot their brains. Not that it's going to change their characters or behaviour. Uncle Tantra and the 'all powerful Judy' and the rest of the 'mean girls' can take a time out, without feeling left out or missing out. Look down at the post list and see that very few are actually related to FF or FFL. Most have neither been to Fairfield in modern times nor some of the worst offenders have nothing to do with meditating or Fairfield. Several come here to FFL and just flood up the list who don't even meditate as if they have rights and are part of a community here. These angry and childish have succeeded in flooding out most all writers of merit and most any writing that was communally relevant. Yep, give the FFL list a rest as a place to post. Time to shut it off and re-group if you won't moderate it and these people will not moderate themselves. Hardly anyone is reading it anymore other than the few who post only to antagonize one-another. Put an end to it one way or another. We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling ad hominem behavior here. Stop enabling it. If these people clearly have no personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by themselves then force upon them mailing their personal vendettas off-list as a stop to subjecting the public to their abuse of the community and FFL. Yes, consider we give it all a break and suspend everyone from posting on FFL. Just let the archive stand for what it is. A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group. Good content drives readership. Relevant content is what drives readership. You know that from your professional life. These few people have driven FFL to hell. They have effectively seized the forum and driven all the good writers and the FFL audience away. It is time to do away their low form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad hominem. Push to have the personal invective taken off the list. It is time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded and good people of the larger community. Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck --- FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1 wleed3 1 wgm4u 1 srijau 1 WLeed3 1 Richard J. Williams 1 PaliGap Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Rick, the post-count experiment as a noble hope is clearly failing. The lowest form of writing and argument evidently dominates FFL with their diluting flood of the post-count of FFL. As an elder of the FFL community here I implore you Rick, please save our FFL from the lowest form of argument on FFL, the Ad hominem . These people's abuse of the list and community here with the Ad hominem is too much. Something radical, something different needs to be done to save FFL as a spiritual and free place. Sincerely, -Buck Yep, name-calling and the ad hominem are truly the lowest forms of argument and should certainly be outlawed in civil society and all Yahoo groups as needless abuse. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Graham%27s_Hier\ archy_of_Disagreement1.svg/375px-Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement1.s\ vg.png Yes, something radical. Well should FairfieldLife [FFL] at Yahoo-groups be improved spiritually by outlawing personal attacks between writers. Yes. You know, like actually enforcing the new Yahoo-groups rules by moderation. If the strong hand of a FFL moderator won't do for it, then maybe the Yahoo-Groups management can now be called in to save us all from the abuse of the Ad hominem hominids here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.agreeded let return to but35 posts per wee
Yes, well said - less tension, definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3 WLeed3@ wrote: I am leaving if the postings are not reduced much is vitriol There's actually been *less* vitriol since the posting limit was lifted. Absolutely. It is far more of a chatty sort of feel right now. Barry has taken a semi-powder (let's hope he decides to have a complete makeover), Bob interjects his brilliance to keep our IQ's up, Emily is her usual wise woman sage (though she doesn't realize the half of it), you seem to have the miscreants under control at the moment, Ravi is strangely quiet, the Doc is hilarious, Buck insists on parading like some scolding school marm, Sal is looking up a recipe on swan souffle, Xeno still needs a blood transfusion, Rory's heart seems on the mend, Obba is armed and ready, AZ is mostly watching TV, Alex is bananagramming when he's not trying to keep his mansion dust free. All in all, we're cool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Thank you, Voldemort! For once, you and I are in violent agreement! Taking the posting limits away actually ensures people discriminate about what they read - Holy frijoles! Just like in the real world! OMG, what a concept - self control and discrimination! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning sermon about this weeks winners. ;-) Not really. I think wayback covered it sufficiently with her suggestion that people learn from their previous experience and just not bother reading any of the posts by people who you already know won't have anything to say. Using that guideline, I was able to skip 535 posts this week, reducing the total volume of dross I had to wade through to a mere 387 posts. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1 wleed3 1 wgm4u 1 srijau 1 WLeed3 1 Richard J. Williams 1 PaliGap Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.
With all respect, Buck, I think your duties could be better served feeding the horses. You have been inhabiting a planet in your head, lately, that I am unfamiliar with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Rick, the post-count experiment as a noble hope is clearly failing. The lowest form of writing and argument evidently dominates FFL with their diluting flood of the post-count of FFL. As an elder of the FFL community here I implore you Rick, please save our FFL from the lowest form of argument on FFL, the Ad hominem . These people's abuse of the list and community here with the Ad hominem is too much. Something radical, something different needs to be done to save FFL as a spiritual and free place. Sincerely, -Buck Yep, name-calling and the ad hominem are truly the lowest forms of argument and should certainly be outlawed in civil society and all Yahoo groups as needless abuse. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Graham%27s_Hier\ archy_of_Disagreement1.svg/375px-Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement1.s\ vg.png Yes, something radical. Well should FairfieldLife [FFL] at Yahoo-groups be improved spiritually by outlawing personal attacks between writers. Yes. You know, like actually enforcing the new Yahoo-groups rules by moderation. If the strong hand of a FFL moderator won't do for it, then maybe the Yahoo-Groups management can now be called in to save us all from the abuse of the Ad hominem hominids here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Group Hug, Bob! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge, consciousness, and chutzpah to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives, and, as your campaign manager, I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire themselves out before we make our move; Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires him out, I think we can buy Buck's support with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the meantime, we need to launch our Share strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a CW hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like: My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite. And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask you what you're for, just say: Change we can believe in and drones. More soon---its in the bag my friend.-BP I can't be as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1 wleed3 1 wgm4u 1 srijau 1 WLeed3 1 Richard J. Williams 1 PaliGap Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
LOL - Good one - You make it sound like this fictitious town of 'Fairfield' actually exists! OK, meet you in *Metropolis*, Rory - wink, wink... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Thank you so much, Ann; we may take you up on that on our next trip NW...and please feel free to come visit us here in Fairfield, as well! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me and/or when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg comes, along, we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :) MJ, you have that vacation home ready yet? Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do you want to come?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Hell, maybe he is just embarrassed by it. After all, Ravi is Indian. TM is a significant distillation, repackaging and rebirth of his spiritual heritage, and he is ignorant of it. So, if I were in his shoes, I'd want people to stop talking about it too, though a TM-centric forum may not be the best place to start.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC Â I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1 wleed3 1 wgm4u 1 srijau 1 WLeed3 1 Richard J. Williams 1 PaliGap Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
I have never been to Victoria, and have always wanted to go!! On a related topic, is it the same in Canada, as the U.S., where if a person inhabits someone else's property or horse farm continuously for seven years, they can then claim it, through squatter's rights? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me and/or when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg comes, along, we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :) MJ, you have that vacation home ready yet? Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do you want to come?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Doc, I can't comment on Ravi but I really enjoyed our back and forth about SOC, something we couldn't have done or probably wouldn't have done with limited posting. Anyway, you still have me thinking about that whole idea of UC having duality and ego. Something about it resonates as true but I'm not 100% grokking it yet. Still percolating so to speak. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Hell, maybe he is just embarrassed by it. After all, Ravi is Indian. TM is a significant distillation, repackaging and rebirth of his spiritual heritage, and he is ignorant of it. So, if I were in his shoes, I'd want people to stop talking about it too, though a TM-centric forum may not be the best place to start.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC Â I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1 wleed3 1 wgm4u 1 srijau 1 WLeed3 1 Richard J. Williams 1 PaliGap Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.
Rick, I agree that there have been more substantive discussions on a wider range of topics that occurred with posting limits. I'm reminded of something insightful that seraphita said a few weeks ago about maybe people weren't responding to interesting posts but rather were saving their posts, and here I don't remember exactly what he said but it was something like that maybe people were saving their posts for when they felt they had to defend themselves. Hopefully those who haven't like unlimited posting in the past will at least lurk and see that there are some very good topics which are getting good air time. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL. snip there have also been many more substantive discussions on a wider range of topics than when the posting limit was in effect. It's just been a pleasure to be able to expand into an interesting conversation. Nobody has been attempting to drown out anybody, but then that was always a silly myth. This past week we had only about 2/3 the number of posts as the previous week (922 vs. 1372). So my prediction that things would slow down once we got used to the new freedom seems to have been borne out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Obbajee, hope you don't mind 4th place. You can blame it on yahoo. Posts are arriving way late to my inbox. So I've been using Message View and I guess when I reply from there my identifier is different so it lists me as 2 people, which is perfect for a triple Gemini (-: 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 13 sharelong60 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC -Obba in third place this week! Thank you, Natural Law a Bounty!
[FairfieldLife] A Real Fairfield Life Post
OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, I have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and at the mighty Maharishi U. I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and South Carolina yea those many years ago. This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with strong Christian values. Over the course of these past few years he has been wrestling with the idea of Maharishi having allegedly had sex and lying about it to both cover and continue the behavior. For this friend, these allegations are sort of a lynchpin to his whole feeling about TM. He has been very surprised to talk with sidhas and especially governors who were around Maharishi and have become convinced he was sexually active, but don't seem to care, feeling that TM itself and whatever they personally experienced was more important than his being able to lie and sexually manipulate women. For myself, the sexual content of M's life is just symptomatic of a systemic problem - he wanted to have certain things (sex, money, to be looked on as the savior of the world) and to get those things he had to create a persona of a spiritual leader (easy to do since he had so much charisma) and lie to get what he wanted, with a desire to see people improve them selves and the world as a background. Personally, I believe that that background got forgotten about and pushed really into the background more and more as the years went by and his self aggrandizing hedonistic behavior took over more and more. My friend on the other hand still has the idea that Maharishi was enlightened, and that since the definition M gave of enlightenment in many places such as the commentary on the Bhagavad Gita is very specific as to the enlightened person upholding all the laws of nature for everyone, never does anything that is not life supporting for anyone etc, that it would have been impossible for Maharishi to sneak around doing things that were unethical and lie about it. So for him, the sexual allegations are paramount, if he decides that M was sexually active and lying about it, it calls into question the whole teaching because it means M was not enlightened and therefore could not have known by experience what enlightenment is. My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? For me, I do believe it and it was just part of what became an increasingly deceptive lifestyle he led, and doesn't have the huge implications on the teaching of enlightenment that it does for my friend. I am of the opinion that one can have theoretical knowledge of the idea of and process of enlightenment and even teach about it, but not experience it oneself. So how did any of you process these allegations that Maharishi was sexually active?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? OMG! MMY was an ordinary human and not a saintly superhuman God-man on a pedestal! That means all those meditations were a complete waste! I am devastated! DEVASTATED, I TELL YOU! What's next? You gonna tell me that King Tony not only has a penis, but that he actually used it? Twice!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
A lot of people did and some do still think M was a saintly superhuman God-man on a pedestal. I was just curious as to how folks dealt with the idea he wasn't. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? OMG! MMY was an ordinary human and not a saintly superhuman God-man on a pedestal! That means all those meditations were a complete waste! I am devastated! DEVASTATED, I TELL YOU! What's next? You gonna tell me that King Tony not only has a penis, but that he actually used it? Twice!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
Ha! Busted, Jim! Yep, Fairfield and Metropolis are one and the same. Gotham City is actually Ottumwa, though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: LOL - Good one - You make it sound like this fictitious town of 'Fairfield' actually exists! OK, meet you in *Metropolis*, Rory - wink, wink... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Thank you so much, Ann; we may take you up on that on our next trip NW...and please feel free to come visit us here in Fairfield, as well! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me and/or when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg comes, along, we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :) MJ, you have that vacation home ready yet? Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do you want to come?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
Good questions. My take on it is, yes, I believe it is very likely he did have sex and lie about it. I have absolutely no idea whether that was in accord with the laws of nature or not except that a) if it happened, it must have been supported as being part of wholeness, and b) if it is all coming out, that too must be supported as being part of wholeness. All our actions, all of everyone's actions, and the repercussions thereof, are supported as being part of wholeness. Enlightenment appears to me to be essentially a bodily Understanding and realization of this ever-present and fundamental simplicity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, I have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and at the mighty Maharishi U. I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and South Carolina yea those many years ago. This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with strong Christian values. Over the course of these past few years he has been wrestling with the idea of Maharishi having allegedly had sex and lying about it to both cover and continue the behavior. For this friend, these allegations are sort of a lynchpin to his whole feeling about TM. He has been very surprised to talk with sidhas and especially governors who were around Maharishi and have become convinced he was sexually active, but don't seem to care, feeling that TM itself and whatever they personally experienced was more important than his being able to lie and sexually manipulate women. For myself, the sexual content of M's life is just symptomatic of a systemic problem - he wanted to have certain things (sex, money, to be looked on as the savior of the world) and to get those things he had to create a persona of a spiritual leader (easy to do since he had so much charisma) and lie to get what he wanted, with a desire to see people improve them selves and the world as a background. Personally, I believe that that background got forgotten about and pushed really into the background more and more as the years went by and his self aggrandizing hedonistic behavior took over more and more. My friend on the other hand still has the idea that Maharishi was enlightened, and that since the definition M gave of enlightenment in many places such as the commentary on the Bhagavad Gita is very specific as to the enlightened person upholding all the laws of nature for everyone, never does anything that is not life supporting for anyone etc, that it would have been impossible for Maharishi to sneak around doing things that were unethical and lie about it. So for him, the sexual allegations are paramount, if he decides that M was sexually active and lying about it, it calls into question the whole teaching because it means M was not enlightened and therefore could not have known by experience what enlightenment is. My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? For me, I do believe it and it was just part of what became an increasingly deceptive lifestyle he led, and doesn't have the huge implications on the teaching of enlightenment that it does for my friend. I am of the opinion that one can have theoretical knowledge of the idea of and process of enlightenment and even teach about it, but not experience it oneself. So how did any of you process these allegations that Maharishi was sexually active?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
LLOL!* *Literally laughing out loud --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? OMG! MMY was an ordinary human and not a saintly superhuman God-man on a pedestal! That means all those meditations were a complete waste! I am devastated! DEVASTATED, I TELL YOU! What's next? You gonna tell me that King Tony not only has a penis, but that he actually used it? Twice!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: A lot of people did and some do still think M was a saintly superhuman God-man on a pedestal. I was just curious as to how folks dealt with the idea he wasn't. I still think he is a saintly superhuman God-man, just like all of us (some of us perhaps more self-evidently than others to some of us, just to make the game more interesting) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Thank you so much, Ann; we may take you up on that on our next trip NW...and please feel free to come visit us here in Fairfield, as well! Funnily enough, I have actually been considering that. I actually have quite a few friends who live there (!) and it would be a hoot (as the Canadians say) to stop by. I am not to be trusted however and you might find me distributing leaflets (although probably not from a helicopter) or banging on the doors of the dome during program just for fun so I would have to be closely monitored. However, I am good company and always up for an adventure or a game of bananagrams (hopefully it is a bit like Scrabbles). In the meantime we have lots of room at the 'inn' as long as you don't mind dogs and horses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me and/or when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg comes, along, we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :) MJ, you have that vacation home ready yet? Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do you want to come?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Michael Jackson wrote: A lot of people did and some do still think M was a saintly superhuman God-man on a pedestal. I'd say that's just attachment to an egoic value judgement and really isn't serving them very well. If you're not shitting vibhuti, YOU'RE CRAP! If you don't have a rainbow body, YOU'RE CRAP! http://youtu.be/bzG_J7RCGS0 http://youtu.be/bzG_J7RCGS0
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
How'z'come it is that we always ask, Why did Maharishi have sex? instead of: Why in the fuck are we such spiritual toads that he's all we could muster up for a guru? Edg -- Toad #3,589 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, I have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and at the mighty Maharishi U. I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and South Carolina yea those many years ago. This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with strong Christian values. Over the course of these past few years he has been wrestling with the idea of Maharishi having allegedly had sex and lying about it to both cover and continue the behavior. For this friend, these allegations are sort of a lynchpin to his whole feeling about TM. He has been very surprised to talk with sidhas and especially governors who were around Maharishi and have become convinced he was sexually active, but don't seem to care, feeling that TM itself and whatever they personally experienced was more important than his being able to lie and sexually manipulate women. For myself, the sexual content of M's life is just symptomatic of a systemic problem - he wanted to have certain things (sex, money, to be looked on as the savior of the world) and to get those things he had to create a persona of a spiritual leader (easy to do since he had so much charisma) and lie to get what he wanted, with a desire to see people improve them selves and the world as a background. Personally, I believe that that background got forgotten about and pushed really into the background more and more as the years went by and his self aggrandizing hedonistic behavior took over more and more. My friend on the other hand still has the idea that Maharishi was enlightened, and that since the definition M gave of enlightenment in many places such as the commentary on the Bhagavad Gita is very specific as to the enlightened person upholding all the laws of nature for everyone, never does anything that is not life supporting for anyone etc, that it would have been impossible for Maharishi to sneak around doing things that were unethical and lie about it. So for him, the sexual allegations are paramount, if he decides that M was sexually active and lying about it, it calls into question the whole teaching because it means M was not enlightened and therefore could not have known by experience what enlightenment is. My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? For me, I do believe it and it was just part of what became an increasingly deceptive lifestyle he led, and doesn't have the huge implications on the teaching of enlightenment that it does for my friend. I am of the opinion that one can have theoretical knowledge of the idea of and process of enlightenment and even teach about it, but not experience it oneself. So how did any of you process these allegations that Maharishi was sexually active?
[FairfieldLife] Re: When the gods of rock mixed with the common people . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: . . . without even being self-conscious about it http://tinyurl.com/mrmwmfs http://tinyurl.com/mrmwmfs For me, the expression on the girl at 00:50 encapsulates what the sixties where really all about. God, those Beatles, they still give me the chills when I watch them - gorgeous and exciting and perfect. That dance crowd was a little tame though, not like the later 60's. These guys were in their Sunday dinner finery and barely shakin'. Contrast that with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tq00ooyVvY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning sermon about this weeks winners. ;-) Not really. I think wayback covered it sufficiently with her suggestion that people learn from their previous experience and just not bother reading any of the posts by people who you already know won't have anything to say. Using that guideline, I was able to skip 535 posts this week, reducing the total volume of dross I had to wade through to a mere 387 posts. :-) Good work. It is handy that you can tell what a post says without looking at it, oh seer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1 wleed3 1 wgm4u 1 srijau 1 WLeed3 1 Richard J. Williams 1 PaliGap Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: They have drowned and driven off what originally had been a substantial community of writers about FFL. I do not feel that FFL should be maintained for these few people to use as their hate-full blog to just write their personal animosities towards each other. It is just abusive all the way around and has wrecked the breadth of a substantial salon that you Rick had hoped for all along with FFL. These people have destroyed the readership of FFL. There were long times that FFL was substantial and important to the spiritual well-being of Fairfield life. Rick it would be better now that you turn off the posting to FFL and now just let the archive stand as the important historical resource that it has become for the scholarly. But shut the posting-list down now and let these people find some other place to bait each other. Buck has a point. Some use this forum as a personal blog and some use it as if it's a family blog. Rick, shut it down temporarily for three weeks. It will give the members the time to rejig and reboot their brains. Not that it's going to change their characters or behaviour. Uncle Tantra and the 'all powerful Judy' and the rest of the 'mean girls' can take a time out, without feeling left out or missing out. Ye, shut 'er down, shut 'em up, lock 'em out. That'll show 'em, err. Look down at the post list and see that very few are actually related to FF or FFL. Most have neither been to Fairfield in modern times nor some of the worst offenders have nothing to do with meditating or Fairfield. Several come here to FFL and just flood up the list who don't even meditate as if they have rights and are part of a community here. These angry and childish have succeeded in flooding out most all writers of merit and most any writing that was communally relevant. Yep, give the FFL list a rest as a place to post. Time to shut it off and re-group if you won't moderate it and these people will not moderate themselves. Hardly anyone is reading it anymore other than the few who post only to antagonize one-another. Put an end to it one way or another. We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling ad hominem behavior here. Stop enabling it. If these people clearly have no personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by themselves then force upon them mailing their personal vendettas off-list as a stop to subjecting the public to their abuse of the community and FFL. Yes, consider we give it all a break and suspend everyone from posting on FFL. Just let the archive stand for what it is. A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group. Good content drives readership. Relevant content is what drives readership. You know that from your professional life. These few people have driven FFL to hell. They have effectively seized the forum and driven all the good writers and the FFL audience away. It is time to do away their low form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad hominem. Push to have the personal invective taken off the list. It is time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded and good people of the larger community. Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck --- FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning sermon about this weeks winners. ;-) Not really. I think wayback covered it sufficiently with her suggestion that people learn from their previous experience and just not bother reading any of the posts by people who you already know won't have anything to say. Ah, but that wasn't what she said, now, was it, Barry? Here's what she said: Agreed that a huge percentage of posts here are ad hominum, and usually made by the same people over and over and over. I think they enjoy that type of interaction, thrive on it even. Not my style, though. And not at all the way things used to be here, as you know. One solution is not to read them. At all. Works for me. Which means she doesn't read *your* posts, Barry, and that you've just suggested to FFLers that *they* not read your posts. OOOopsie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I have never been to Victoria, and have always wanted to go!! On a related topic, is it the same in Canada, as the U.S., where if a person inhabits someone else's property or horse farm continuously for seven years, they can then claim it, through squatter's rights? Geez, I think it may be. There's this guy who lives in my house, cooks me meals, shares my bed and calls me wife and he seems to think he can stay for as long as he likes and even claim he owns half the place. So, I guess the answer to that is yes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me and/or when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg comes, along, we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :) MJ, you have that vacation home ready yet? Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do you want to come?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
Dear MJ, we have more to resolve about the ad hominem homids trolling this list but I do appreciate that you are trying to help the community here by attempting to furnish more substantial spiritual content to the list by presenting these questions. They are substantial points and it will be especially interesting to watch how the next generation of teachers move around them. Actually there is a living saint in town today having a satsang this weekend on the immortality of the soul and virtue of character. [appropriate FF topic]. With all the dissonance around here the topic seems quite relevant to resolving in the meditating community. My advice of feeling to the current leadership of the TM.org is to just show they are not that and move forward in a transparent way doing good works. Keep with we are not that, we are this... and move forward. They got to do a much better job of leadership on this or that David Wants to Fly video that is so freely available on the internet every time you do a google search for TM will come up impugning the whole TM character. I got chores to finish and then go sit with a saint today. But I'll be back much later to talk some more about about this and also Ad hominemism on the FFL, we all have a lot more to worry over around the Ad hominem as terroristic abuse issue yet. Have a Nice Day, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: How'z'come it is that we always ask, Why did Maharishi have sex? instead of: Why in the fuck are we such spiritual toads that he's all we could muster up for a guru? Edg -- Toad #3,589 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, I have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and at the mighty Maharishi U. I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and South Carolina yea those many years ago. This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with strong Christian values. Over the course of these past few years he has been wrestling with the idea of Maharishi having allegedly had sex and lying about it to both cover and continue the behavior. For this friend, these allegations are sort of a lynchpin to his whole feeling about TM. He has been very surprised to talk with sidhas and especially governors who were around Maharishi and have become convinced he was sexually active, but don't seem to care, feeling that TM itself and whatever they personally experienced was more important than his being able to lie and sexually manipulate women. For myself, the sexual content of M's life is just symptomatic of a systemic problem - he wanted to have certain things (sex, money, to be looked on as the savior of the world) and to get those things he had to create a persona of a spiritual leader (easy to do since he had so much charisma) and lie to get what he wanted, with a desire to see people improve them selves and the world as a background. Personally, I believe that that background got forgotten about and pushed really into the background more and more as the years went by and his self aggrandizing hedonistic behavior took over more and more. My friend on the other hand still has the idea that Maharishi was enlightened, and that since the definition M gave of enlightenment in many places such as the commentary on the Bhagavad Gita is very specific as to the enlightened person upholding all the laws of nature for everyone, never does anything that is not life supporting for anyone etc, that it would have been impossible for Maharishi to sneak around doing things that were unethical and lie about it. So for him, the sexual allegations are paramount, if he decides that M was sexually active and lying about it, it calls into question the whole teaching because it means M was not enlightened and therefore could not have known by experience what enlightenment is. My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? For me, I do believe it and it was just part of what became an increasingly deceptive lifestyle he led, and doesn't have the huge implications on the teaching of enlightenment that it does for my friend. I am of the opinion that one can have theoretical knowledge of the idea of and process of enlightenment and even teach about it, but not experience it oneself. So how did any of you process these allegations that Maharishi was sexually active?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Share, I forgot all about your dual personality and your ability to turn something known as dual into a triple. I got it, nice play with words and jyotish. ha. Yahoo is really messed up right now. The processing is much more annoying than any talk about complaining of an unlimited post count. Unlimited post count has helped many of us be the more touchy-feely loving presence with each other. Hug. Kiss. Hug. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj0BnsF1FXs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj0BnsF1FXs I am feeling much better with 4th place actually, since it proves my clicky dysentery to be more tame than I thought. Congratulations, first place winner! Better go and tell the Dr. D. but, he may be disappointed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Obbajee, hope you don't mind 4th place. You can blame it on yahoo. Posts are arriving way late to my inbox. So I've been using Message View and I guess when I reply from there my identifier is different so it lists me as 2 people, which is perfect for a triple Gemini (-: 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 13 sharelong60 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC  -Obba in third place this week! Thank you, Natural Law a Bounty!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. Or perhaps that attitude toward homosexuality is all ignorant crap, and people are born gay because *they* had that attitude in a previous lifetime, and this time around need to experience what it feels like to be discriminated against. Maybe that attitude is currently in the process of diminishing because the straight folks alive today learned that lesson in *their* previous lifetimes. Maybe in another generation or so nobody will be able to understand why it was ever thought that there was anything wrong with being gay. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasàand hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasàand hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Actually there is a living saint in town today having a satsang this weekend on the immortality of the soul and virtue of character. [appropriate FF topic]. With all the dissonance around here the topic seems quite relevant to resolving in the meditating community. What a coincidence, Buck! In a little while, I'll be spending some time with a living saint in town, right across from the farmers market!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Obbajee, I'm only at 99 so third place! Yeah, yahoo very messed up. I couldn't even reply to this first time I tried. As for jyotish: I'm in Mangal, Ketu Rahu; Ketu is transiting natal Rahu in 7th and depositor Mangal is debilitated; Rahu and Sani are transiting natal Ketu in 1st and depositor Venus is debilitated. Yikes! From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC Share, I forgot all about your dual personality and your ability to turn something known as dual into a triple. I got it, nice play with words and jyotish. ha. Yahoo is really messed up right now. The processing is much more annoying than any talk about complaining of an unlimited post count. Unlimited post count has helped many of us be the more touchy-feely loving presence with each other. Hug. Kiss. Hug. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj0BnsF1FXs I am feeling much better with 4th place actually, since it proves my clicky dysentery to be more tame than I thought. Congratulations, first place winner! Better go and tell the Dr. D. but, he may be disappointed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Obbajee, hope you don't mind 4th place. You can blame it on yahoo. Posts are arriving way late to my inbox. So I've been using Message View and I guess when I reply from there my identifier is different so it lists me as 2 people, which is perfect for a triple Gemini (-: 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 13 sharelong60 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC  -Obba in third place this week! Thank you, Natural Law a Bounty!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL I've given my answer to your question about Maharishi below, but for the record, Buck's theory on this point is belied by what Rick has up on FFL's home page about what the group is for. Take a look: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ snip My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? I have no doubt that he did. I don't presume to know what it means in the cosmic scheme of things. Seems to me entirely possible that it was in accord with the laws of Nature, as Rory proposes. After all, Krishna tells Arjuna that not even the enlightened can know what Nature's purposes are (Unfathomable is the course of action). Personally, I deplore his philandering because of who he philandered *with*, but it doesn't affect what I think of his teaching.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasàand hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Amen, Sister! From your mouth to God/dess' ear.* Can I get a witness! *My God/dess can't make up Her mind whether He is male or female, straight or gay or whatever --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. Or perhaps that attitude toward homosexuality is all ignorant crap, and people are born gay because *they* had that attitude in a previous lifetime, and this time around need to experience what it feels like to be discriminated against. Maybe that attitude is currently in the process of diminishing because the straight folks alive today learned that lesson in *their* previous lifetimes. Maybe in another generation or so nobody will be able to understand why it was ever thought that there was anything wrong with being gay. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasàand hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: With all respect, Buck, I think your duties could be better served feeding the horses. You have been inhabiting a planet in your head, lately, that I am unfamiliar with. I'm in agreement. The fact that he won't respond to comments on his diatribes actually demonstrates that he himself is doing no more than engaging in ad hominem.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nidal Hassan Is Found Guilty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Well, we aren't in Kansas any more, that's for sure. Of course, he wasn't insane! Of course? Interesting. He was convicted of murder precisely because he was held responsible for his actions - and rightly convicted. Right, he wasn't considered legally insane when he was tried. Look, the guy was a small-time crook who had the shittiest start in life possible. Bastard son of a teenage prostitute - and it went downhill from there. He tried to make the best of the hand he'd been dealt. This isn't an argument against his being mentally ill. Too bad he had a shitty start in life, but so do many others, and very few of them turn into murderous monsters. I've gotta hand it to the guy - he did have that certain charisma. If you can't see that I don't believe I ever suggested he wasn't charismatic. But being charismatic doesn't rule out being mentally ill either. It was my understanding that he has had bouts of paranoid schizophrenia. I don't think there's much question that he's *delusionary*. then tell me why Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten were prepared to fry in the chair for him? Sometimes, the creepiest men can capture the loyalty of people. Remember that Austrian corporal? I don't think creepy quite covers it in Hitler's case. Me, I love Sharon Tate. Check out this clip. How anyone could butcher someone as beautiful as this is beyond me: http://tinyurl.com/l5ca7e3 http://tinyurl.com/l5ca7e3 Lots of beautiful women in the world. How anybody could butcher *anybody*, other than in self-defense, is beyond me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Hell, maybe he is just embarrassed by it. After all, Ravi is Indian. TM is a significant distillation, repackaging and rebirth of his spiritual heritage, and he is ignorant of it. So, if I were in his shoes, I'd want people to stop talking about it too, though a TM-centric forum may not be the bes place to start.:-) DrD, you're misconstruing what Ravi wrote. He isn't saying he wants people to stop talking about TM. You're pissed because he includes you in the two people he wants to send off with Buck, who doesn't want to discuss anything *but* TM stuff. His implied criticism is of Buck's fundamentalist approach. Secondarily, he's saying that among the top posters, he finds your and Share's contributions to the discussions generally to be of less interest than obba's and mine. In your case, I don't agree, but he's entitled to express his opinion (humorously, I might add). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Dear Mr. Price, Bob, and wife, I believe Ravi can do an impersonation of anyone. Need to retrieve him from the belly of the whale, though. Fluff him, Mr. Price. Tickle the whale as to release Kali's Pimp. I am embarrassed to admit, I used up the gold leaf when I made the desserts for my cousin's baby shower at the country club. Heh, they went over pretty big, all were eaten and we had fun in the process using the little morsels as sun catchers, and redirecting light at the nearby golfers, Four! became, Fuck! Pretty hilarious. There were no children present, just us girls and the matriarchs. I do have heavy duty aluminum foil, will this suffice? A sheet of galvanized steel too. It is flexible. To be really creative, how about the left over chicken wire? Looking forward for the tickets. I need to get out of here, cabin fever brought about by the ketu subdasha. Lucky all this is coinciding with the end of the antardasha in another week. Whew. Unfortunately, Wilma passed almost 10 years ago, and she had no offspring (Lesbian), but I know her nephew who plays guitar and works as a magician (yes, a Magician)in LA, but the good news, music runs in his family blood, something a lot of people forget certain hereditary traits allow for this dharmic curse(kind of like ignoring Maharishi's relatives is probably not a good idea, even if they came out of the woodwork, dhamra man, Dharma.). (and... Business is slack in Hollywood for the meek, right now, so he, him, Wilma's nephew, might be available. You can catch him at the Castle?) If that doesn't work out, I don't know who handles Janis's rights. You might want to think of Bette Midler, she may be up to it. Remember the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR6okRuOLc8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR6okRuOLc8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge, consciousness, and chutzpah to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives, and, as your campaign manager, I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire themselves out before we make our move; Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires him out, I think we can buy Buck's support with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the meantime, we need to launch our Share strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a CW hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like: My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite. And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask you what you're for, just say: Change we can believe in and drones. More soon---its in the bag my friend.-BP I can't be as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Actually from his point of view he's right and I agree with him from his point of view. I gained a great deal of healing and education here, although from Bucks point of view that may not have been the original intention of the group. Reading the FFL description most of the posts fall into the Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere But I admit that the name calling and cussing each other out is unpleasant and I have been guilty of it myself, particularly toward feste, doc, nabby and seventhray when they irritated me. It does however seem that Buck wants a group that focuses on Fairfield and how to make it better and the joys of TM in the Dome and how to get the TM leaders to behave as if they are somebody instead of acting like trash. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC He's not serious, right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: They have drowned and driven off what originally had been a substantial community of writers about FFL. I do not feel that FFL should be maintained for these few people to use as their hate-full blog to just write their personal animosities towards each other. It is just abusive all the way around and has wrecked the breadth of a substantial salon that you Rick had hoped for all along with FFL. These people have destroyed the readership of FFL. There were long times that FFL was substantial and important to the spiritual well-being of Fairfield life. Rick it would be better now that you turn off the posting to FFL and now just let the archive stand as the important historical resource that it has become for the scholarly. But shut the posting-list down now and let these people find some other place to bait each other. Look down at the post list and see that very few are actually related to FF or FFL. Most have neither been to Fairfield in modern times nor some of the worst offenders have nothing to do with meditating or Fairfield. Several come here to FFL and just flood up the list who don't even meditate as if they have rights and are part of a community here. These angry and childish have succeeded in flooding out most all writers of merit and most any writing that was communally relevant. Yep, give the FFL list a rest as a place to post. Time to shut it off and re-group if you won't moderate it and these people will not moderate themselves. Hardly anyone is reading it anymore other than the few who post only to antagonize one-another. Put an end to it one way or another. We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling ad hominem behavior here. Stop enabling it. If these people clearly have no personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by themselves then force upon them mailing their personal vendettas off-list as a stop to subjecting the public to their abuse of the community and FFL. Yes, consider we give it all a break and suspend everyone from posting on FFL. Just let the archive stand for what it is. A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group. Good content drives readership. Relevant content is what drives readership. You know that from your professional life. These few people have driven FFL to hell. They have effectively seized the forum and driven all the good writers and the FFL audience away. It is time to do away their low form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad hominem. Push to have the personal invective taken off the list. It is time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded and good people of the larger community. Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
For those of us who live afar from Fairfield, can you tell us who the saint is that is visiting FF? From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post Dear MJ, we have more to resolve about the ad hominem homids trolling this list but I do appreciate that you are trying to help the community here by attempting to furnish more substantial spiritual content to the list by presenting these questions. They are substantial points and it will be especially interesting to watch how the next generation of teachers move around them. Actually there is a living saint in town today having a satsang this weekend on the immortality of the soul and virtue of character. [appropriate FF topic]. With all the dissonance around here the topic seems quite relevant to resolving in the meditating community. My advice of feeling to the current leadership of the TM.org is to just show they are not that and move forward in a transparent way doing good works. Keep with we are not that, we are this... and move forward. They got to do a much better job of leadership on this or that David Wants to Fly video that is so freely available on the internet every time you do a google search for TM will come up impugning the whole TM character. I got chores to finish and then go sit with a saint today. But I'll be back much later to talk some more about about this and also Ad hominemism on the FFL, we all have a lot more to worry over around the Ad hominem as terroristic abuse issue yet. Have a Nice Day, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: How'z'come it is that we always ask, Why did Maharishi have sex? instead of: Why in the fuck are we such spiritual toads that he's all we could muster up for a guru? Edg -- Toad #3,589 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, I have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and at the mighty Maharishi U. I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and South Carolina yea those many years ago. This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with strong Christian values. Over the course of these past few years he has been wrestling with the idea of Maharishi having allegedly had sex and lying about it to both cover and continue the behavior. For this friend, these allegations are sort of a lynchpin to his whole feeling about TM. He has been very surprised to talk with sidhas and especially governors who were around Maharishi and have become convinced he was sexually active, but don't seem to care, feeling that TM itself and whatever they personally experienced was more important than his being able to lie and sexually manipulate women. For myself, the sexual content of M's life is just symptomatic of a systemic problem - he wanted to have certain things (sex, money, to be looked on as the savior of the world) and to get those things he had to create a persona of a spiritual leader (easy to do since he had so much charisma) and lie to get what he wanted, with a desire to see people improve them selves and the world as a background. Personally, I believe that that background got forgotten about and pushed really into the background more and more as the years went by and his self aggrandizing hedonistic behavior took over more and more. My friend on the other hand still has the idea that Maharishi was enlightened, and that since the definition M gave of enlightenment in many places such as the commentary on the Bhagavad Gita is very specific as to the enlightened person upholding all the laws of nature for everyone, never does anything that is not life supporting for anyone etc, that it would have been impossible for Maharishi to sneak around doing things that were unethical and lie about it. So for him, the sexual allegations are paramount, if he decides that M was sexually active and lying about it, it calls into question the whole teaching because it means M was not enlightened and therefore could not have known by experience what enlightenment is. My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? For me, I do believe it and it was just part of what became an increasingly deceptive lifestyle he led, and doesn't have the huge implications on the teaching of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
That is interesting - I don't understand why you deplore the act because of who he did it with? You know the women and don't like them or what? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL I've given my answer to your question about Maharishi below, but for the record, Buck's theory on this point is belied by what Rick has up on FFL's home page about what the group is for. Take a look: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ snip My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? I have no doubt that he did. I don't presume to know what it means in the cosmic scheme of things. Seems to me entirely possible that it was in accord with the laws of Nature, as Rory proposes. After all, Krishna tells Arjuna that not even the enlightened can know what Nature's purposes are (Unfathomable is the course of action). Personally, I deplore his philandering because of who he philandered *with*, but it doesn't affect what I think of his teaching.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
Are you the one that quoted Jerry Jarvis concerning the woman who published teh book? Something about her standing up during a lecture and talking about her dream that she and MMY got hitched? 40 years later, and she writes a book saying that MMY told her in a dream to write a book about her and MMY having an affair. Hmmm... L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, I have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and at the mighty Maharishi U. I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and South Carolina yea those many years ago. This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with strong Christian values. Over the course of these past few years he has been wrestling with the idea of Maharishi having allegedly had sex and lying about it to both cover and continue the behavior. For this friend, these allegations are sort of a lynchpin to his whole feeling about TM. He has been very surprised to talk with sidhas and especially governors who were around Maharishi and have become convinced he was sexually active, but don't seem to care, feeling that TM itself and whatever they personally experienced was more important than his being able to lie and sexually manipulate women. For myself, the sexual content of M's life is just symptomatic of a systemic problem - he wanted to have certain things (sex, money, to be looked on as the savior of the world) and to get those things he had to create a persona of a spiritual leader (easy to do since he had so much charisma) and lie to get what he wanted, with a desire to see people improve them selves and the world as a background. Personally, I believe that that background got forgotten about and pushed really into the background more and more as the years went by and his self aggrandizing hedonistic behavior took over more and more. My friend on the other hand still has the idea that Maharishi was enlightened, and that since the definition M gave of enlightenment in many places such as the commentary on the Bhagavad Gita is very specific as to the enlightened person upholding all the laws of nature for everyone, never does anything that is not life supporting for anyone etc, that it would have been impossible for Maharishi to sneak around doing things that were unethical and lie about it. So for him, the sexual allegations are paramount, if he decides that M was sexually active and lying about it, it calls into question the whole teaching because it means M was not enlightened and therefore could not have known by experience what enlightenment is. My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? For me, I do believe it and it was just part of what became an increasingly deceptive lifestyle he led, and doesn't have the huge implications on the teaching of enlightenment that it does for my friend. I am of the opinion that one can have theoretical knowledge of the idea of and process of enlightenment and even teach about it, but not experience it oneself. So how did any of you process these allegations that Maharishi was sexually active?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Actually there is a living saint in town today having a satsang this weekend on the immortality of the soul and virtue of character. [appropriate FF topic]. With all the dissonance around here the topic seems quite relevant to resolving in the meditating community. What a coincidence, Buck! In a little while, I'll be spending some time with a living saint in town, right across from the farmers market! Well, it's probably more interesting than visiting a dead one and you can be chowin' down on a couple of juicy peaches while you're at it.
[FairfieldLife] Discussion on reddit I started about TM, enlightenment, advaita vedanta, etc
http://www.reddit.com/r/EasternPhilosophy/comments/1kvkh4/the_physiological_basis_of_one_school_of_advaita/ Feel free to drop in and throw peanuts... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: That is interesting - I don't understand why you deplore the act because of who he did it with? You know the women and don't like them or what? Huh?? Man, *that's* a weird interpretation! It would make at least *some* sense if you had thought I knew the women and *did* like them. No, I don't know any of the women. Let me put it this way, maybe it'll be clearer: If he had gotten it on with some female guru who had her own following and was around his own age, I wouldn't deplore it, I'd cheer him on. It's the power differential that's so deplorable, as far as I'm concerned, not the sex per se. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL I've given my answer to your question about Maharishi below, but for the record, Buck's theory on this point is belied by what Rick has up on FFL's home page about what the group is for. Take a look: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ snip My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? I have no doubt that he did. I don't presume to know what it means in the cosmic scheme of things. Seems to me entirely possible that it was in accord with the laws of Nature, as Rory proposes. After all, Krishna tells Arjuna that not even the enlightened can know what Nature's purposes are (Unfathomable is the course of action). Personally, I deplore his philandering because of who he philandered *with*, but it doesn't affect what I think of his teaching.
[FairfieldLife] discussion on reddit I started about TM, enlightenment, advaita vedanta, etc
http://tinyurl.com/lsr97wc Feel free to join in and throw peanuts... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Thanks for reposting this, Mike. It makes a lot of sense to me. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men. The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.) What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so acceptable.) Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote:Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictionson gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defenseregulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred frommilitary service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Seraphita, Michael Newton, writes books about the bardo, what happens between lives, etc. He says that souls are able to choose whether to have a learning lessons life or a cushy life. That actually before we come in, we are offered a choice of 3 or 4 lives. And I like your idea of God as artist. From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Re the Theosophists' view I reference below All of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men.: This view of reincarnation has always seemed nobler - more worthy of an artist - to me: God is taking each of us on a universal tour to experience all the highs and lows of life. If the Advaita-Vedantans are right and we are actually the One Self pretending to be many different individuals then that accords perfectly with this interpretation of reincarnation. The common view that if we're good, we earn a cushy life next time around is pretty vulgar really. And the more spiritualised version that we're paying our dues towards arhat status is really just the idea of meritocracy projected onto the Cosmos. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced,  while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception. From: Seraphita s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . .  including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men. The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.) What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so acceptable.) Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. --- In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
On 08/23/2013 09:43 PM, obbajeeba wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me and/or when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg comes, along, we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :) MJ, you have that vacation home ready yet? Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do you want to come? Yippie! Never been to Victoria. Oh boy, this is going to be a fun party! The funniest thing, it really could end up happening at some point. I've been to Victoria or actually passed through it on the way to a residence course at a resort on an Island off Nanaimo. Spent the weekend throwing up because I got food poisoning from a local restaurant where some of us had dinner the night we arrived. Vancouver Island is a lovely place to visit.
[FairfieldLife] Twixt in Clearlake
Those who have been to Clearlake in Northern California will notice much of that scenery in Francis Ford Coppola's movie Twixt. Rated not for Turq because it stars Val Kilmer which is too bad because it is a story about a writer who visits a small town (played by Kelseyville) for a book signing. It also stars Bruce Dern as the town Sheriff, Elle Fanning as a mysterious girl and Ben Chaplin as Kilmer's unusual muse. Coppola based the movie on a dream he had when visiting Istanbul. The movie is sort of a fantasy, horror thriller. Good stuff. I rented the DVD from Rebox and it can be found on VOD rental sites though not on Netflix WI (at least yet). There is a fascinating 37 minute extra documentary of the filming on the DVD shot by Coppola's granddaughter. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1756851/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
Or that TM is some mystical lost technique dredged up from the annals of time when it is really nothing more than common beej (this is the way Indians pronounce bija) mantras when many Indians know and use without any kind of initiation. On 08/24/2013 05:58 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: A lot of people did and some do still think M was a saintly superhuman God-man on a pedestal. I was just curious as to how folks dealt with the idea he wasn't. *From:* Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:45 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? OMG! MMY was an ordinary human and not a saintly superhuman God-man on a pedestal! That means all those meditations were a complete waste! I am devastated! DEVASTATED, I TELL YOU! What's next? You gonna tell me that King Tony not only has a penis, but that he actually used it? Twice!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: That is interesting - I don't understand why you deplore the act because of who he did it with? You know the women and don't like them or what? I'm going to steer your thread in a slightly different direction, if you don't mind. For me, one of the most puzzling things about the whole spiritual-teachers- boning-their-students thang is that often I really, really don't get the attraction, from the woman's side. Call me guilty of being a lifelong straight guy, but I simply don't understand women who would find Maharishi Mahesh Yogi sexually *attractive* enough to want to have sex with him. Charismatic, maybe, depending on your stan- dards for that concept. The next thing to god in their minds, possibly. But sexually attractive? I just don't get it. With some *other* teachers, of both sexes, I can definitely see them being considered sexually attractive by their students. I mean, like all of her male followers, I sprung a woodie for Gangaji when I met her. :-) And I've certainly met male spiritual teachers who would be swooned over even by women who had no idea they were spiritual teachers, because they were hot! But I honestly don't get it with Maharishi. I can see many reasons for a woman devotee wanting to have sex with him, most of them closely tied to the word devotee, but I find it difficult to imagine many of them wanting to bone him because he was...uh...just so bonable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
Actually, i meant pretty much what Barry said, and I was not including Barry in the posts that I don't read. I do skip his posts where he generalizes about TB's at FFL. I also skip most of the posts of several other people for the reasons I stated. I find many of Barry's posts really interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning sermon about this weeks winners. ;-) Not really. I think wayback covered it sufficiently with her suggestion that people learn from their previous experience and just not bother reading any of the posts by people who you already know won't have anything to say. Ah, but that wasn't what she said, now, was it, Barry? Here's what she said: Agreed that a huge percentage of posts here are ad hominum, and usually made by the same people over and over and over. I think they enjoy that type of interaction, thrive on it even. Not my style, though. And not at all the way things used to be here, as you know. One solution is not to read them. At all. Works for me. Which means she doesn't read *your* posts, Barry, and that you've just suggested to FFLers that *they* not read your posts. OOOopsie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
I believe that MMY did have sex and that he was also enlightened. I think the technique he taught and the story around it (7 states of consciousness, etc) is a pretty good teaching and can provide some guideposts for experiences for many people as well as relieve stress. At the least it is a fine introduction to the concept of the evolution of the human nervous system. I don't feel that if MMY had sex that those actions invalidate the TM technique or teachings, anymore than a Christian minister's sexual escapes invalidate Christianity or the teachings of Jesus. The mistake in many people's view is that MMY was TM and those teachings, that he is the only person to have this knowledge. MMY did not invent TM or create the whole system of belief, the cosmology, around it. He simplified fairly universal belief systems beautifully, made it all clearer and more acceccable, but the teachings of TM are fairly universal and certainly the and states of consciousness are universal (even if not separated into 7 in other traditions). I think MMY did an incredible and wonderful job of that. Like Barry, I don't think MMY was a charlatan or had a planned program to deceive others. IMO he was a true believer in most of what he said - it was his entire background and culture. I think he did want humanity to benefit from TM. I think he truly believed he had crafted a program that was wonderful for people and that he was helping people not to waste time by insisting that they follow his way and not try others. I can't recall for sure but I think Rick mentioned in the past that MMY was, based on some specific behaviors, very upset with his own sexual behavior at some point in the 70's. Who knows, he might have carried that guilt or disappointment for the rest of his life. Being in that position of guru with all these lovely young things around, and being a male with tons of pent up libido, well...he is human. So, I think humans can still retain the flaws or nature of humanity and also have a nervous system that is enlightened. The whole thing about obeying all the Laws of Nature - I never took it all that literally. It seemed to me, and still does, almost a fairy tale or an ideal, or else what we all do unawares. Another way to look at this is to consider that all of Nature and the cosmos is part of the Divine - and yet there is a ton of suffering around, death, grief - just from natural acts alone. So Nature incorporates the light and the dark. And so do humans since we are part of it. In the end, my take is that whether someone is enlightened or not, I don't want to hang out with them nor do I admire them, if they don't resonate with my own set of values. But they could stlll be enlightened. Whatever was going on with Maharishi, he had incredible darshan, it was physically palpable. He promoted a good technique, imo and he clarified the whole concept of evolution, stress, and human functioning. From a different angle, it really seems as if there is no free will in the traditional sense (and the sense of I is an illusion). Things happen and unfold. If you accept that, then things really can't be other than they are. So if a Master does something someone else considers bad or immoral, then that too is part of the unfolding of life. This is basically that old argument that a Master or enlightened person can do no wrong. In a sense, no one can do anything other than what happens. We are all flowing with Nature I am guessing that being enlightened reduces the sense of tension that comes with an ego, but things stay pretty much the same in terms of actions. So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all. I imagine that most leaders had lots of warts too. I still like to believe that there are some saints and Masters (these folks are somehow always in the past and so we can't check up on them!) who are perfect and loving and Enlightened. That those stories are all true. Probably that is a human need, maybe a belief we begin to question as we grow up. That questioning process, which your friend is in the midst of, can be hard and sad. Believing fully is a nice state and for me, gave a magical spin to everything. Enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, I have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and at the mighty Maharishi U. I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and South Carolina yea those many years ago. This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with strong Christian values. Over the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Actually, i meant pretty much what Barry said, and I was not including Barry in the posts that I don't read. I do skip his posts where he generalizes about TB's at FFL. I also skip most of the posts of several other people for the reasons I stated. I find many of Barry's posts really interesting. What I've never understood, Susan, is how you've missed the fact that Barry's posts, more than anyone else's on FFL, *depend* on ad hominem. If you are trying to avoid reading ad hominem, you'd have to skip reading *most* of his posts. It's not just those that generalize about TBs at FFL. It's vicious, sadistic personal attacks on specific individuals, attacks on *TMers* in general (not just those on FFL, and not just TBs), attacks on Americans in general, and on and on. And for the most part these are *gratuitous* attacks, not responses to attacks by others on himself. I'm far from the only person here who is aware of all this. Barry's posts emit a sort of miasma of hatred that permeates the group, and you have somehow managed to close your perception to it--while at the same time self-righteously holding your nose at the ad hominem of *other* people. It's just very, very strange, Susan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning sermon about this weeks winners. ;-) Not really. I think wayback covered it sufficiently with her suggestion that people learn from their previous experience and just not bother reading any of the posts by people who you already know won't have anything to say. Ah, but that wasn't what she said, now, was it, Barry? Here's what she said: Agreed that a huge percentage of posts here are ad hominum, and usually made by the same people over and over and over. I think they enjoy that type of interaction, thrive on it even. Not my style, though. And not at all the way things used to be here, as you know. One solution is not to read them. At all. Works for me. Which means she doesn't read *your* posts, Barry, and that you've just suggested to FFLers that *they* not read your posts. OOOopsie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Doc, I believe I've been remiss in not thanking you for sharing your music with the group; speaking for myself, I believe any creative act is fundamentally heroic, and I for one appreciate your generosity in sharing your compositions with us. On a different topic, would you consider supporting the candidacy of Sri Raja Raviji for FFL moderator; your thoughtful consideration is more than appreciated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffPnse4WQs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffPnse4WQs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , doctordumbass@... wrote: Group Hug, Bob! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote: Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , obbajeeba wrote: Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s http://youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge, consciousness, and chutzpah to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives, and, as your campaign manager, I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire themselves out before we make our move; Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires him out, I think we can buy Buck's support with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the meantime, we need to launch our Share strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a CW hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like: My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite. And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask you what you're for, just say: Change we can believe in and drones. More soon---its in the bag my friend.-BP I can't be as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Share, I don't think I advocated anything involving *enforcement* of anything. How people choose to live their lives is their choice. Nobody is perfect. I agree with you that life will enforce it's own laws, naturally. We can avoid the suffering before it comes or we can take it as it comes. From: sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
As I'm sure he knows, I'm a huge fan of Turq's posts; so I'm wondering if anyone would be kind enough to translate this one for me, particularly the last paragraph. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSjwU8gEsI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSjwU8gEsI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: That is interesting - I don't understand why you deplore the act because of who he did it with? You know the women and don't like them or what? I'm going to steer your thread in a slightly different direction, if you don't mind. For me, one of the most puzzling things about the whole spiritual-teachers- boning-their-students thang is that often I really, really don't get the attraction, from the woman's side. Call me guilty of being a lifelong straight guy, but I simply don't understand women who would find Maharishi Mahesh Yogi sexually *attractive* enough to want to have sex with him. Charismatic, maybe, depending on your stan- dards for that concept. The next thing to god in their minds, possibly. But sexually attractive? I just don't get it. With some *other* teachers, of both sexes, I can definitely see them being considered sexually attractive by their students. I mean, like all of her male followers, I sprung a woodie for Gangaji when I met her. :-) And I've certainly met male spiritual teachers who would be swooned over even by women who had no idea they were spiritual teachers, because they were hot! But I honestly don't get it with Maharishi. I can see many reasons for a woman devotee wanting to have sex with him, most of them closely tied to the word devotee, but I find it difficult to imagine many of them wanting to bone him because he was...uh...just so bonable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many weren't so committed to lowering it to their level. That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion on the subject of free will in the past... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all. IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing along with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would an ostensible teacher of enlightenment be any more special than any other being, or what they teach a gift? I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature intends, then how could anything such a teacher of enlightenment do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow, or whatever you choose to call it. Enlightened, schmightened. If there is No Free Will, and no one has the ABILITY to change what is going to happen to them (because Nature is running all of that shit), then how can any teaching by any supposed teacher of enlightenment be seen as having been instrumental in any of his/her students realizing enlightenment? Nature handles that shit, according to your theory. Not the seeker, and not the teacher. IF your theory is correct, and there is No Free Will, there is simply no possibile way to affect one's own future. It wouldn't matter how many teachers of enlightenment you met; Nature controls whether you're going to realize your own enlight- enment...not the teachers, and not you. :-)
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To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to the chase: IF you believe that Nature runs things and you don't really have any Free Will with which to decide what to do DID you ever have a choice about whether to meditate or not? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many weren't so committed to lowering it to their level. That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion on the subject of free will in the past... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all. IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing along with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would an ostensible teacher of enlightenment be any more special than any other being, or what they teach a gift? I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature intends, then how could anything such a teacher of enlightenment do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow, or whatever you choose to call it. Enlightened, schmightened. If there is No Free Will, and no one has the ABILITY to change what is going to happen to them (because Nature is running all of that shit), then how can any teaching by any supposed teacher of enlightenment be seen as having been instrumental in any of his/her students realizing enlightenment? Nature handles that shit, according to your theory. Not the seeker, and not the teacher. IF your theory is correct, and there is No Free Will, there is simply no possibile way to affect one's own future. It wouldn't matter how many teachers of enlightenment you met; Nature controls whether you're going to realize your own enlight- enment...not the teachers, and not you. :-)
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I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: As I'm sure he knows, I'm a huge fan of Turq's posts; so I'm wondering if anyone would be kind enough to translate this one for me, particularly the last paragraph. Basically, he's questioning a premise that I'm not sure was ever proposed, i.e., how women could have found Maharishi sexually attractive (bonable) when he, as a straight man, did not. (Do not think too hard about that or you'll get confused. Just take it as it comes.) In the last paragraph, because refers to want to bone him, not to find it difficult to imagine. Does that help? As you know, Barry has explained to us that he writes as fast as he thinks, and every now and then that creates a bit of a wrinkle in his syntax. Also, in his usage, to bone is an equal-opportunity verb, applying to both boneur and bonee. Seems like he may have encountered some rather strange...uh...women in his time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSjwU8gEsI Not bonable... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: That is interesting - I don't understand why you deplore the act because of who he did it with? You know the women and don't like them or what? I'm going to steer your thread in a slightly different direction, if you don't mind. For me, one of the most puzzling things about the whole spiritual-teachers- boning-their-students thang is that often I really, really don't get the attraction, from the woman's side. Call me guilty of being a lifelong straight guy, but I simply don't understand women who would find Maharishi Mahesh Yogi sexually *attractive* enough to want to have sex with him. Charismatic, maybe, depending on your stan- dards for that concept. The next thing to god in their minds, possibly. But sexually attractive? I just don't get it. With some *other* teachers, of both sexes, I can definitely see them being considered sexually attractive by their students. I mean, like all of her male followers, I sprung a woodie for Gangaji when I met her. :-) And I've certainly met male spiritual teachers who would be swooned over even by women who had no idea they were spiritual teachers, because they were hot! But I honestly don't get it with Maharishi. I can see many reasons for a woman devotee wanting to have sex with him, most of them closely tied to the word devotee, but I find it difficult to imagine many of them wanting to bone him because he was...uh...just so bonable.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature intends, then how could anything such a teacher of enlightenment do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow, or whatever you choose to call it. They don't. They just implement it. (Er, check the syntax in your last sentence there. I think you left out a does after meet.)
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Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm. I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power to protect the evolution of souls. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. Religion-in-general by itself *has* no role, Mike. Religion acquires a role only when implemented by its practitioners. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*areànot suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years à--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthàwith it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasÃâàand hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote: As I'm sure he knows, I'm a huge fan of Turq's posts; so I'm wondering if anyone would be kind enough to translate this one for me, particularly the last paragraph. Basically, he's questioning a premise that I'm not sure was ever proposed, i.e., how women could have found Maharishi sexually attractive (bonable) when he, as a straight man, did not. (Do not think too hard about that or you'll get confused. Just take it as it comes.) In the last paragraph, because refers to want to bone him, not to find it difficult to imagine. Does that help? As you know, Barry has explained to us that he writes as fast as he thinks, and every now and then that creates a bit of a wrinkle in his syntax. Also, in his usage, to bone is an equal-opportunity verb, applying to both boneur and bonee. Seems like he may have encountered some rather strange...uh...women in his time. Thanks for the clarification. I was confused until Judy made it really clear of Turq's um, meaning and desires. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSjwU8gEsI Not bonable... Agree. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: That is interesting - I don't understand why you deplore the act because of who he did it with? You know the women and don't like them or what? I'm going to steer your thread in a slightly different direction, if you don't mind. For me, one of the most puzzling things about the whole spiritual-teachers- boning-their-students thang is that often I really, really don't get the attraction, from the woman's side. Call me guilty of being a lifelong straight guy, but I simply don't understand women who would find Maharishi Mahesh Yogi sexually *attractive* enough to want to have sex with him. Charismatic, maybe, depending on your stan- dards for that concept. The next thing to god in their minds, possibly. But sexually attractive? I just don't get it. With some *other* teachers, of both sexes, I can definitely see them being considered sexually attractive by their students. I mean, like all of her male followers, I sprung a woodie for Gangaji when I met her. :-) And I've certainly met male spiritual teachers who would be swooned over even by women who had no idea they were spiritual teachers, because they were hot! But I honestly don't get it with Maharishi. I can see many reasons for a woman devotee wanting to have sex with him, most of them closely tied to the word devotee, but I find it difficult to imagine many of them wanting to bone him because he was...uh...just so bonable.
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Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning anyone about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation which may or may not be valid. Yes ,I think M did believe that religions still have that power but I also believe he knew that religion is pure and our ability to understand the intent is according to our own individual capacity or level of evolution. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm. I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power to protect the evolution of souls. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are. And very well said, Share. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*are not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I rememberit( his explanation), we change from one sex to the otherevery three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, thenext change, brings with it, impressions from the previousbirth which was exaggerated. When you first posted this, you presented it as an explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about appearance, which I believe you were when you posted it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with homosexual preference. Often they go together, but sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want to change their gender. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a mess that you'll never figure out.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote: As I'm sure he knows, I'm a huge fan of Turq's posts; so I'm wondering if anyone would be kind enough to translate this one for me, particularly the last paragraph. Basically, he's questioning a premise that I'm not sure was ever proposed, i.e., how women could have found Maharishi sexually attractive (bonable) when he, as a straight man, did not. (Do not think too hard about that or you'll get confused. Just take it as it comes.) In the last paragraph, because refers to want to bone him, not to find it difficult to imagine. Does that help? As you know, Barry has explained to us that he writes as fast as he thinks, and every now and then that creates a bit of a wrinkle in his syntax. Also, in his usage, to bone is an equal-opportunity verb, applying to both boneur and bonee. Seems like he may have encountered some rather strange...uh...women in his time. Thanks for the clarification. I was confused until Judy made it really clear of Turq's um, meaning and desires. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSjwU8gEsI Not bonable... Agree. or evendonovanforthatmatter.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: That is interesting - I don't understand why you deplore the act because of who he did it with? You know the women and don't like them or what? I'm going to steer your thread in a slightly different direction, if you don't mind. For me, one of the most puzzling things about the whole spiritual-teachers- boning-their-students thang is that often I really, really don't get the attraction, from the woman's side. Call me guilty of being a lifelong straight guy, but I simply don't understand women who would find Maharishi Mahesh Yogi sexually *attractive* enough to want to have sex with him. Charismatic, maybe, depending on your stan- dards for that concept. The next thing to god in their minds, possibly. But sexually attractive? I just don't get it. With some *other* teachers, of both sexes, I can definitely see them being considered sexually attractive by their students. I mean, like all of her male followers, I sprung a woodie for Gangaji when I met her. :-) And I've certainly met male spiritual teachers who would be swooned over even by women who had no idea they were spiritual teachers, because they were hot! But I honestly don't get it with Maharishi. I can see many reasons for a woman devotee wanting to have sex with him, most of them closely tied to the word devotee, but I find it difficult to imagine many of them wanting to bone him because he was...uh...just so bonable.
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Judy, I am aware of Barry's ad hom posts and I don't like them and instantly stop reading when I get that whiff. I do like some of his other types. I understand your position on that and do see what you see, at least to some extent. I think that I am not so bothered by it - not sure why it does not get to me. But you yourself are in that group that, to me at least, seem to be doing lots of ad h posting, attacks on others. Obviously you are extremely bright and are a terrific source of information and are good at detail and analysis. And you are very sure of your opinions. But I find many (not all some are excellent to me) of your posts to be confrontational and others to be about details and distracting from the main point. Those are the ones of yours that I move on from. Just go thru the postings with an open mind, as if you were a newbie here. Notice how may are attacking other people (not just Barry's, but several the others). Name Calling, bringing up old old posts and creating arguments about people's past positions on something or someone. It is pretty odd, and for me with not much free time due to a job and other responsibilities, really repetitious. I just limit my time and read things that speak to me, so I am not advocating posting limits. It is more the tone of the place and all the personal stuff that goes on and on and is not resolved. I mean, if you don't like someone, why bother to read what they write? Unless you enjoy arguing, which might be the case. But I can't see that anyone here has changed anyone else in any way by criticizing. Or pointing things out. Maybe this post is just another one of those.So, for me being selective and opting out once I get that Ad H whiff is my solution. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Actually, i meant pretty much what Barry said, and I was not including Barry in the posts that I don't read. I do skip his posts where he generalizes about TB's at FFL. I also skip most of the posts of several other people for the reasons I stated. I find many of Barry's posts really interesting. What I've never understood, Susan, is how you've missed the fact that Barry's posts, more than anyone else's on FFL, *depend* on ad hominem. If you are trying to avoid reading ad hominem, you'd have to skip reading *most* of his posts. It's not just those that generalize about TBs at FFL. It's vicious, sadistic personal attacks on specific individuals, attacks on *TMers* in general (not just those on FFL, and not just TBs), attacks on Americans in general, and on and on. And for the most part these are *gratuitous* attacks, not responses to attacks by others on himself. I'm far from the only person here who is aware of all this. Barry's posts emit a sort of miasma of hatred that permeates the group, and you have somehow managed to close your perception to it--while at the same time self-righteously holding your nose at the ad hominem of *other* people. It's just very, very strange, Susan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning sermon about this weeks winners. ;-) Not really. I think wayback covered it sufficiently with her suggestion that people learn from their previous experience and just not bother reading any of the posts by people who you already know won't have anything to say. Ah, but that wasn't what she said, now, was it, Barry? Here's what she said: Agreed that a huge percentage of posts here are ad hominum, and usually made by the same people over and over and over. I think they enjoy that type of interaction, thrive on it even. Not my style, though. And not at all the way things used to be here, as you know. One solution is not to read them. At all. Works for me. Which means she doesn't read *your* posts, Barry, and that you've just suggested to FFLers that *they* not read your posts. OOOopsie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
mjackson74: So how did any of you process these allegations that Maharishi was sexually active? My feeling is that MMY may have received a back rub that might have turned in to a groin massage a few times. So, how is a little guy like that doing much humping on big girls? A guy that small could get thrown across the room if he tried to do much on top of someone of normal size. I just can't picture MMY getting somebody to lay down on their back on top of that calf skin of his, underneath a painting of SBS, up on the roof in 100 degrees, and with Jerry trying to sleep in the living room. You think they climbed in through the bathroom window? Go figure. I mean, this even sounds absurd considering that MMY didn't even have a bathroom, a bed or even running water at the time. Can you imagine somebody trying to sneak past Jemima Pitman in the middle of the night, when you could hear a pin drop at the ashram, and with Ananda Kishore guarding the front door? It's just outrageous!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
Duveyoung: How'z'come it is that we always ask, Why did Maharishi have sex? instead of: Why in the fuck are we such spiritual toads that he's all we could muster up for a guru? This should probably be re-worded to read: Why in the fuck are we such spiritual toads that all we could muster up is an interest in the private sex life of a guru?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
turquoiseb: To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to the chase... If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over tall buildings; you would have mind control and be able to predict the future, so you could avoid the dangers that lie ahead. Go figure. Free will would be like being a God - able to cause change at will. Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body in motion tends to stay in motion, etc. That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new, transcendental force into the universe. Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest. LoL! IF you believe that Nature runs things and you don't really have any Free Will with which to decide what to do DID you ever have a choice about whether to meditate or not? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many weren't so committed to lowering it to their level. That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion on the subject of free will in the past... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all. IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing along with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would an ostensible teacher of enlightenment be any more special than any other being, or what they teach a gift? I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature intends, then how could anything such a teacher of enlightenment do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow, or whatever you choose to call it. Enlightened, schmightened. If there is No Free Will, and no one has the ABILITY to change what is going to happen to them (because Nature is running all of that shit), then how can any teaching by any supposed teacher of enlightenment be seen as having been instrumental in any of his/her students realizing enlightenment? Nature handles that shit, according to your theory. Not the seeker, and not the teacher. IF your theory is correct, and there is No Free Will, there is simply no possibile way to affect one's own future. It wouldn't matter how many teachers of enlightenment you met; Nature controls whether you're going to realize your own enlight- enment...not the teachers, and not you. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Mindfulness NOW!
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[FairfieldLife] Find Your Self
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[FairfieldLife] RE: Hebrew vs. Sanskrit?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Dear Obba, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , obbajeeba wrote: Dear Mr. Price, Bob, and wife, I believe Ravi can do an impersonation of anyone. I agree, at present he seems to be doing a fair impersonation of the Hidden Iman. Need to retrieve him from the belly of the whale, though. Fluff him, Mr. Price. Tickle the whale as to release Kali's Pimp. I'm on it, but the whale will need a bigger fish to give up its belly full of Kali's Pimp; any ideas, how about Jona, or better still Mary Margaret: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VrujheblY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VrujheblY I am embarrassed to admit, I used up the gold leaf when I made the desserts for my cousin's baby shower at the country club. Heh, they went over pretty big, all were eaten and we had fun in the process using the little morsels as sun catchers, and redirecting light at the nearby golfers, Four! became, Fuck! Pretty hilarious. There were no children present, just us girls and the matriarchs. I do have heavy duty aluminum foil, will this suffice? A sheet of galvanized steel too. It is flexible. To be really creative, how about the left over chicken wire? I like the sound of chicken wire although Buck will want Gold to throw his delegates behind the Raja; I was thinking this would justify a visit to Dubai, but Maurice Stans suggested we go with pyrite as Buck won't know the difference (I told him you would think that was a cheap shot and not the kind of campaign we're runnin round here). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Gold_Souk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Gold_Souk Looking forward for the tickets. I need to get out of here, cabin fever brought about by the ketu subdasha. Lucky all this is coinciding with the end of the antardasha in another week. Whew. All I can say about this paragraph is tank God for Google; I reckon you only fly first? Unfortunately, Wilma passed almost 10 years ago, and she had no offspring (Lesbian), but I know her nephew who plays guitar and works as a magician (yes, a Magician)in LA, but the good news, music runs in his family blood, something a lot of people forget certain hereditary traits allow for this dharmic curse(kind of like ignoring Maharishi's relatives is probably not a good idea, even if they came out of the woodwork, dhamra man, Dharma.). (and... Business is slack in Hollywood for the meek, right now, so he, him, Wilma's nephew, might be available. You can catch him at the Castle?) If that doesn't work out, I don't know who handles Janis's rights. You might want to think of Bette Midler, she may be up to it. Remember the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR6okRuOLc8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR6okRuOLc8 Alternatively, I'm wondering if you (I'm still on probation) could speak with the MGC and find out if they would consider recording a music video like this for the campaign (including the wardrobe and choreography): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrfY7RNaBjw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrfY7RNaBjw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced wrote: Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , obbajeeba wrote: Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s http://youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Correction: I agree, at present he seems to be doing a fair impersonation of the Hidden Imam. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced wrote: Dear Obba, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Dear Mr. Price, Bob, and wife, I believe Ravi can do an impersonation of anyone. I agree, at present he seems to be doing a fair impersonation of the Hidden Iman. Need to retrieve him from the belly of the whale, though. Fluff him, Mr. Price. Tickle the whale as to release Kali's Pimp. I'm on it, but the whale will need a bigger fish to give up its belly full of Kali's Pimp; any ideas, how about Jona, or better still Mary Margaret: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VrujheblY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VrujheblY I am embarrassed to admit, I used up the gold leaf when I made the desserts for my cousin's baby shower at the country club. Heh, they went over pretty big, all were eaten and we had fun in the process using the little morsels as sun catchers, and redirecting light at the nearby golfers, Four! became, Fuck! Pretty hilarious. There were no children present, just us girls and the matriarchs. I do have heavy duty aluminum foil, will this suffice? A sheet of galvanized steel too. It is flexible. To be really creative, how about the left over chicken wire? I like the sound of chicken wire although Buck will want Gold to throw his delegates behind the Raja; I was thinking this would justify a visit to Dubai, but Maurice Stans suggested we go with pyrite as Buck won't know the difference (I told him you would think that was a cheap shot and not the kind of campaign we're runnin round here). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Gold_Souk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Gold_Souk Looking forward for the tickets. I need to get out of here, cabin fever brought about by the ketu subdasha. Lucky all this is coinciding with the end of the antardasha in another week. Whew. All I can say about this paragraph is tank God for Google; I reckon you only fly first? Unfortunately, Wilma passed almost 10 years ago, and she had no offspring (Lesbian), but I know her nephew who plays guitar and works as a magician (yes, a Magician)in LA, but the good news, music runs in his family blood, something a lot of people forget certain hereditary traits allow for this dharmic curse(kind of like ignoring Maharishi's relatives is probably not a good idea, even if they came out of the woodwork, dhamra man, Dharma.). (and... Business is slack in Hollywood for the meek, right now, so he, him, Wilma's nephew, might be available. You can catch him at the Castle?) If that doesn't work out, I don't know who handles Janis's rights. You might want to think of Bette Midler, she may be up to it. Remember the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR6okRuOLc8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR6okRuOLc8 Alternatively, I'm wondering if you (I'm still on probation) could speak with the MGC and find out if they would consider recording a music video like this for the campaign (including the wardrobe and choreography): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrfY7RNaBjw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrfY7RNaBjw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s http://youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
Wow, Ann; that would be great! And please feel free to do as you please here -- raining pamphlets or knocking on Dome doors or whatever -- I am told the men's Dome could use a new roof if you feel so inclined! :-) Yes, the way we play Bananagrams is exactly like Scrabble, only with no turns, no scoring, and no board, and a fluid engagement, with people coming to put in a word or two, or to stay all afternoon, or somewhere in between. It's more like constructing a community crossword puzzle -- the only goals are to make it as dense as possible, and to use up all the letters before the cafe closes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Thank you so much, Ann; we may take you up on that on our next trip NW...and please feel free to come visit us here in Fairfield, as well! Funnily enough, I have actually been considering that. I actually have quite a few friends who live there (!) and it would be a hoot (as the Canadians say) to stop by. I am not to be trusted however and you might find me distributing leaflets (although probably not from a helicopter) or banging on the doors of the dome during program just for fun so I would have to be closely monitored. However, I am good company and always up for an adventure or a game of bananagrams (hopefully it is a bit like Scrabbles). In the meantime we have lots of room at the 'inn' as long as you don't mind dogs and horses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me and/or when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg comes, along, we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :) MJ, you have that vacation home ready yet? Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do you want to come?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
I don't care how he lived his life, as he never told me how to live mine. As for your friend, maybe he needs more sex, as focused on it as he is. I bet after a wild romp, he won't care about his burning question so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, I have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and at the mighty Maharishi U. I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and South Carolina yea those many years ago. This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with strong Christian values. Over the course of these past few years he has been wrestling with the idea of Maharishi having allegedly had sex and lying about it to both cover and continue the behavior. For this friend, these allegations are sort of a lynchpin to his whole feeling about TM. He has been very surprised to talk with sidhas and especially governors who were around Maharishi and have become convinced he was sexually active, but don't seem to care, feeling that TM itself and whatever they personally experienced was more important than his being able to lie and sexually manipulate women. For myself, the sexual content of M's life is just symptomatic of a systemic problem - he wanted to have certain things (sex, money, to be looked on as the savior of the world) and to get those things he had to create a persona of a spiritual leader (easy to do since he had so much charisma) and lie to get what he wanted, with a desire to see people improve them selves and the world as a background. Personally, I believe that that background got forgotten about and pushed really into the background more and more as the years went by and his self aggrandizing hedonistic behavior took over more and more. My friend on the other hand still has the idea that Maharishi was enlightened, and that since the definition M gave of enlightenment in many places such as the commentary on the Bhagavad Gita is very specific as to the enlightened person upholding all the laws of nature for everyone, never does anything that is not life supporting for anyone etc, that it would have been impossible for Maharishi to sneak around doing things that were unethical and lie about it. So for him, the sexual allegations are paramount, if he decides that M was sexually active and lying about it, it calls into question the whole teaching because it means M was not enlightened and therefore could not have known by experience what enlightenment is. My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what? For me, I do believe it and it was just part of what became an increasingly deceptive lifestyle he led, and doesn't have the huge implications on the teaching of enlightenment that it does for my friend. I am of the opinion that one can have theoretical knowledge of the idea of and process of enlightenment and even teach about it, but not experience it oneself. So how did any of you process these allegations that Maharishi was sexually active?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
I've always been partial to Voldemort taking the position of moderator, so what can I say? Voldemort has been on here a hell of a lot longer than Ravi has. Of course, if you stick around, consistently this time, I would also support employing you in that regard. Please let us know your future plans, BP. Better let Ravi know the bad news, though, sooner, rather than later. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: Doc, I believe I've been remiss in not thanking you for sharing your music with the group; speaking for myself, I believe any creative act is fundamentally heroic, and I for one appreciate your generosity in sharing your compositions with us. On a different topic, would you consider supporting the candidacy of Sri Raja Raviji for FFL moderator; your thoughtful consideration is more than appreciated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffPnse4WQs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffPnse4WQs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , doctordumbass@ wrote: Group Hug, Bob! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote: Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , obbajeeba wrote: Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s http://youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge, consciousness, and chutzpah to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives, and, as your campaign manager, I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire themselves out before we make our move; Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires him out, I think we can buy Buck's support with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the meantime, we need to launch our Share strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a CW hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like: My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite. And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask you what you're for, just say: Change we can believe in and drones. More soon---its in the bag my friend.-BP I can't be as
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard J. Williams wrote: mjackson74: So how did any of you process these allegations that Maharishi was sexually active? My feeling is that MMY may have received a back rub that might have turned in to a groin massage a few times. So, how is a little guy like that doing much humping on big girls? A guy that small could get thrown across the room if he tried to do much on top of someone of normal size. I just can't picture MMY getting somebody to lay down on their back on top of that calf skin of his, underneath a painting of SBS, up on the roof in 100 degrees, and with Jerry trying to sleep in the living room. You think they climbed in through the bathroom window? ***No, that was Krishnamurti. Go figure. I mean, this even sounds absurd considering that MMY didn't even have a bathroom, a bed or even running water at the time. Can you imagine somebody trying to sneak past Jemima Pitman in the middle of the night, when you could hear a pin drop at the ashram, and with Ananda Kishore guarding the front door? It's just outrageous!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
I think he's probably just embarrassed about the whole thing. I would be, if I were him. No big deal to me. Maybe if you quit reminding him, he will be back here, posting again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hell, maybe he is just embarrassed by it. After all, Ravi is Indian. TM is a significant distillation, repackaging and rebirth of his spiritual heritage, and he is ignorant of it. So, if I were in his shoes, I'd want people to stop talking about it too, though a TM-centric forum may not be the bes place to start.:-) DrD, you're misconstruing what Ravi wrote. He isn't saying he wants people to stop talking about TM. You're pissed because he includes you in the two people he wants to send off with Buck, who doesn't want to discuss anything *but* TM stuff. His implied criticism is of Buck's fundamentalist approach. Secondarily, he's saying that among the top posters, he finds your and Share's contributions to the discussions generally to be of less interest than obba's and mine. In your case, I don't agree, but he's entitled to express his opinion (humorously, I might add). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
Welcome back, Richard! From: richardatrwilliamsdotus pundits...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post turquoiseb: To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to the chase... If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over tall buildings; you would have mind control and be able to predict the future, so you could avoid the dangers that lie ahead. Go figure. Free will would be like being a God - able to cause change at will. Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body in motion tends to stay in motion, etc. That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new, transcendental force into the universe. Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest. LoL! IF you believe that Nature runs things and you don't really have any Free Will with which to decide what to do DID you ever have a choice about whether to meditate or not? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many weren't so committed to lowering it to their level. That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion on the subject of free will in the past... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all. IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing along with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would an ostensible teacher of enlightenment be any more special than any other being, or what they teach a gift? I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature intends, then how could anything such a teacher of enlightenment do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow, or whatever you choose to call it. Enlightened, schmightened. If there is No Free Will, and no one has the ABILITY to change what is going to happen to them (because Nature is running all of that shit), then how can any teaching by any supposed teacher of enlightenment be seen as having been instrumental in any of his/her students realizing enlightenment? Nature handles that shit, according to your theory. Not the seeker, and not the teacher. IF your theory is correct, and there is No Free Will, there is simply no possibile way to affect one's own future. It wouldn't matter how many teachers of enlightenment you met; Nature controls whether you're going to realize your own enlight- enment...not the teachers, and not you. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Laughing all the way to the bank!
Duck Dynasty - Boys Will Be Boys http://youtu.be/S3b04PBTv_0 http://youtu.be/S3b04PBTv_0 http://www.aetv.com/duck-dynasty/ The fourth-season premiere of AE's Duck Dynasty quacked with 11.8 million viewers Wednesday, a new record for a non-fiction cable series... USA Today: http://tinyurl.com/mj8advy http://tinyurl.com/mj8advy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
I liked it too, and yes, very difficult to get to the bottom of something like that with fewer posts. Yeah, I really enjoy hearing something that has the ring of truth, but is still far enough away, I can't quite make out what substantiates it. However, if you simply think about the language of UC, the duality becomes clearer, *I* am one with you, Everything is seen, in terms of *myself*, etc. A very, very subtle duality. Anyway, probably a topic for Batgap, if you like. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Doc, I can't comment on Ravi but I really enjoyed our back and forth about SOC, something we couldn't have done or probably wouldn't have done with limited posting. Anyway, you still have me thinking about that whole idea of UC having duality and ego. Something about it resonates as true but I'm not 100% grokking it yet. Still percolating so to speak. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hell, maybe he is just embarrassed by it. After all, Ravi is Indian. TM is a significant distillation, repackaging and rebirth of his spiritual heritage, and he is ignorant of it. So, if I were in his shoes, I'd want people to stop talking about it too, though a TM-centric forum may not be the best place to start.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC Â I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32 109 doctordumbass 106 authfriend 91 obbajeeba 86 Share Long 59 Seraphita 50 Ann 35 iranitea 31 Alex Stanley 30 Ravi Chivukula 28 RoryGoff 27 Bhairitu 25 emilymae.reyn 19 Mike Dixon 18 turquoiseb 18 Michael Jackson 17 merudanda 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 16 Bob Price 14 Jason 13 sharelong60 13 emptybill 10 sparaig 10 salyavin808 10 card 9 Emily Reyn 7 bobpriced 7 azgrey 6 nablusoss1008 6 John 5 Rick Archer 4 raunchydog 4 Duveyoung 4 Buck 3 feste37 3 cardemaister 3 Susan 2 seventhray27 2 Dick Mays 1 wleed3 1 wgm4u 1 srijau 1 WLeed3 1 Richard J. Williams 1 PaliGap Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
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turquoiseb: IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing along with Nature... Maybe because the founder of the enlightenment tradition in India did not teach 'free will', but taught Causation - everything happens for a reason and there are no chance events. The question is, are we free or are we bound? If free, then there's no reason for a yoga; if bound, by what means can we free ourselves? Unless you somehow have the ability to mentally alter the laws of cause and effect. Not any easy task. If you had free will, you could command your crap to flow upstream instead of down stream.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
I appreciate the thought, but I doubt I'd survive the necessary vetting; like many, I also lack Raja Ravi's charisma and pithy turn of phrase. The campaign is still optimistic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZucJAkzCNq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZucJAkzCNq8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , doctordumbass@... wrote: I've always been partial to Voldemort taking the position of moderator, so what can I say? Voldemort has been on here a hell of a lot longer than Ravi has. Of course, if you stick around, consistently this time, I would also support employing you in that regard. Please let us know your future plans, BP. Better let Ravi know the bad news, though, sooner, rather than later. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote: Doc, I believe I've been remiss in not thanking you for sharing your music with the group; speaking for myself, I believe any creative act is fundamentally heroic, and I for one appreciate your generosity in sharing your compositions with us. On a different topic, would you consider supporting the candidacy of Sri Raja Raviji for FFL moderator; your thoughtful consideration is more than appreciated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffPnse4WQs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffPnse4WQs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Group Hug, Bob! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s http://youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge, consciousness, and chutzpah to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives, and, as your campaign manager, I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire themselves out before we make our move; Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires him out, I think we can buy Buck's support with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the meantime, we need to launch our Share strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a CW hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like: My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite. And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask you what you're for, just say: Change we can believe in and drones. More soon---its in the bag my friend.-BP I can't be as
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
I was actually thinking of something more subtle, like living in a refrigerator carton, with a small campfire, on the edge of your property, preferably hidden by foliage on all sides, foraging squirrels and other varmints, for awhile. The time will go by in a flash. Please let me know if this works for you, and I can be there, perhaps coincident with Rory's visit! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I have never been to Victoria, and have always wanted to go!! On a related topic, is it the same in Canada, as the U.S., where if a person inhabits someone else's property or horse farm continuously for seven years, they can then claim it, through squatter's rights? Geez, I think it may be. There's this guy who lives in my house, cooks me meals, shares my bed and calls me wife and he seems to think he can stay for as long as he likes and even claim he owns half the place. So, I guess the answer to that is yes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth. Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One wonders what the belief they all share IS that causes them to color their own perceptions and shape them such that the Barry Is Bad meme has basically taken over their lives. One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes him to color his own perceptions and shape them such that the ego-fantasy that Barry Is Bad has taken over our lives has taken over his life. (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?) His statement can only draw one (He thinks They, their, as one entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia He might want to seek some medical help about this situation. But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY. Yes, and he can find one of these type of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me and/or when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg comes, along, we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :) MJ, you have that vacation home ready yet? Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do you want to come?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
In the rich emotional palette and many aspects of his personality that Ravi has shared with us on this forum I have never noticed embarrassment. My guess is he has a date. I somehow imagine, like MacArthur before him, Ravi will return: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv1PF0tAE1s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv1PF0tAE1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , doctordumbass@... wrote: I think he's probably just embarrassed about the whole thing. I would be, if I were him. No big deal to me. Maybe if you quit reminding him, he will be back here, posting again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , doctordumbass@ wrote: Hell, maybe he is just embarrassed by it. After all, Ravi is Indian. TM is a significant distillation, repackaging and rebirth of his spiritual heritage, and he is ignorant of it. So, if I were in his shoes, I'd want people to stop talking about it too, though a TM-centric forum may not be the bes place to start.:-) DrD, you're misconstruing what Ravi wrote. He isn't saying he wants people to stop talking about TM. You're pissed because he includes you in the two people he wants to send off with Buck, who doesn't want to discuss anything *but* TM stuff. His implied criticism is of Buck's fundamentalist approach. Secondarily, he's saying that among the top posters, he finds your and Share's contributions to the discussions generally to be of less interest than obba's and mine. In your case, I don't agree, but he's entitled to express his opinion (humorously, I might add). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Share Long wrote: Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Ravi Chivukula wrote: Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC
No doubt. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: In the rich emotional palette and many aspects of his personality that Ravi has shared with us on this forum I have never noticed embarrassment. My guess is he has a date. I somehow imagine, like MacArthur before him, Ravi will return: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv1PF0tAE1s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv1PF0tAE1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , doctordumbass@ wrote: I think he's probably just embarrassed about the whole thing. I would be, if I were him. No big deal to me. Maybe if you quit reminding him, he will be back here, posting again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , doctordumbass@ wrote: Hell, maybe he is just embarrassed by it. After all, Ravi is Indian. TM is a significant distillation, repackaging and rebirth of his spiritual heritage, and he is ignorant of it. So, if I were in his shoes, I'd want people to stop talking about it too, though a TM-centric forum may not be the bes place to start.:-) DrD, you're misconstruing what Ravi wrote. He isn't saying he wants people to stop talking about TM. You're pissed because he includes you in the two people he wants to send off with Buck, who doesn't want to discuss anything *but* TM stuff. His implied criticism is of Buck's fundamentalist approach. Secondarily, he's saying that among the top posters, he finds your and Share's contributions to the discussions generally to be of less interest than obba's and mine. In your case, I don't agree, but he's entitled to express his opinion (humorously, I might add). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Share Long wrote: Ravi, it's kind of like when you discuss jyotish and some get upset. For me the whole enlightenment topic is just a fun thing to discuss, throw ideas around, learn other perspectives. I come mainly from a TM perspective so that's the language I know best but I thoroughly enjoy reading it written about from annother perspective, with other language, like in Xeno's writing for example. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Ravi Chivukula wrote: Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC, UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck wrote: ** Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of the group entirely. Sincerely, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)
Yes, excellent! Seriously, after watching that video, with you as point man for the campaign, I'm having to share your optimism wrt Ravi. Perhaps get with Imelda and see if some cut-ins could be done with said candidate, say from his, singing the bhajans (2012?) series? This might go a lot further than FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: I appreciate the thought, but I doubt I'd survive the necessary vetting; like many, I also lack Raja Ravi's charisma and pithy turn of phrase. The campaign is still optimistic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZucJAkzCNq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZucJAkzCNq8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , doctordumbass@ wrote: I've always been partial to Voldemort taking the position of moderator, so what can I say? Voldemort has been on here a hell of a lot longer than Ravi has. Of course, if you stick around, consistently this time, I would also support employing you in that regard. Please let us know your future plans, BP. Better let Ravi know the bad news, though, sooner, rather than later. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote: Doc, I believe I've been remiss in not thanking you for sharing your music with the group; speaking for myself, I believe any creative act is fundamentally heroic, and I for one appreciate your generosity in sharing your compositions with us. On a different topic, would you consider supporting the candidacy of Sri Raja Raviji for FFL moderator; your thoughtful consideration is more than appreciated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffPnse4WQs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffPnse4WQs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Group Hug, Bob! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Obba, Wilma is a winner. From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college, any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls close? I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage? Your tickets are in the mail. If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat the campaign is looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Hey Mr. Price, Bob, May I suggest this style of a C W song for Ravi's campaign. I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s http://youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s or Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ call me darling, you never even call me by my name. mm BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then, okay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What is this about Raja Ravi's standards are very high? ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge, consciousness, and chutzpah to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives, and, as your campaign manager, I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire themselves out before we make our move; Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires him out, I think we can buy Buck's support with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the meantime, we need to launch our Share strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a CW hurtin song would be an excellent start;
[FairfieldLife] Thanks
Thanks to everyone for replying to my question. I made reply to several of you. Since I was using the actual FFL group and not paying too close attention I didn't realize the wonderful new format for yahoo groups that Yahoo has graciously provided us all with without our even asking I was replying either to no one or to the individual posters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
Share Long: Welcome back, Richard! If we had free will we could see into the future, or go back in the past and change things. If we had free will we could ignore social morals and not even consider a moral reciprocity. We could forget about responsibility. We could do what we want, when we want, and that would be the whole of the law. To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to the chase... If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over tall buildings; you would have mind control and be able to predict the future, so you could avoid the dangers that lie ahead. Go figure. Free will would be like being a God - able to cause change at will. Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body in motion tends to stay in motion, etc. That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new, transcendental force into the universe. Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest. LoL! IF you believe that Nature runs things and you don't really have any Free Will with which to decide what to do DID you ever have a choice about whether to meditate or not? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many weren't so committed to lowering it to their level. That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion on the subject of free will in the past... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all. IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing along with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would an ostensible teacher of enlightenment be any more special than any other being, or what they teach a gift? I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature intends, then how could anything such a teacher of enlightenment do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow, or whatever you choose to call it. Enlightened, schmightened. If there is No Free Will, and no one has the ABILITY to change what is going to happen to them (because Nature is running all of that shit), then how can any teaching by any supposed teacher of enlightenment be seen as having been instrumental in any of his/her students realizing enlightenment? Nature handles that shit, according to your theory. Not the seeker, and not the teacher. IF your theory is correct, and there is No Free Will, there is simply no possibile way to affect one's own future. It wouldn't matter how many teachers of enlightenment you met; Nature controls whether you're going to realize your own enlight- enment...not the teachers, and not you. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hebrew vs. Sanskrit?
Card, sounds like you're saying that because it has more consonants, Sanskrit is maybe more analytical. I'll add: maybe more left brain dominant? though that doesn't sound right about Sanskrit. Are you saying that Hebrew is more right brain, more spatial, softer because of having less consonants?
