[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You're assuming that transcending means "letting go of" a specific kind of 
thought, rather than thoughts i general. 

 Thoughts are transcended during TM not because we "hold onto specific 
thoughts" during TM, but because we have been taught that it isn't necessary to 
attempt to control the mind during TM practice so we stop trying to control 
what happens next.
 

 Given the correct circumstances, aka "starting TM," the mind will 
automatically start to settle down.
 

 That is all "transcending" means. 
 

 Now, it is possible that the nervous system will settle down to the point 
where there are abrupt and obvious changes in breathing and heart rate and 
alpha-1 EEG coherence which researchers believe are due to an abrupt change in 
activity in certain parts of the thalamus, but that has nothing to do with 
belief, but only with specific conditions in the thalamus triggered, at times, 
by TM-practice.
 

 And the thalamus doesn't "think" or have beliefs, according to any theory I 
have heard. It is an important "data switching center" and helps regulate 
states of consciousness, breathing, etc., but doesn't do much data-processing 
in any way that would be related to belief. Belief and not-belief are 
influences on TM only so much as they interfere with allowing the practice to 
go on its own.
 

 Far more detrimental to TM is the internet habit of seeking out the online 
version of the Teacher Training notes available online and mentally correlating 
that with what you are taught, as you are taught. This likely sets up 
extraneous connections in parts of the brain that wouldn't exist in people who 
learned TM without having first read the TT notes, and likely disrupts the 
activity that "effortlessly thinking the mantra" brings to bear in a localized 
way simply because there's so little prior intellectual connections established 
to bring more distant centers of the brain into play when meditation activity 
happens.
 

 "Innocence of practice" may well have a genuine physical significance.
 

 On the other hand, one could also argue that obsessively worrying about when 
one will encounter "God" during TM is far more detrimental to the practice of 
TM than not worrying about "God" in the first place.
 

 

 I would say that a non-believer, all other things being equal, is more likely 
to transcend than a Believer.
 

 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lawson, 

 What is wrong with the statement that I made?  Please, explain.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think you're in the wrong meditation discussion forum or that you need to go 
get checked. 

 

 L
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Curtis,

It sounds like you have not transcended thoughts at all.

C: And what could you possibly basing that on? Just because I have not come to 
the conclusions you have about the experience? Do you really think that in my 
15 years of practice with 4 solid years of rounding including 8 hour a day 
sessions at sidhaland I might not have experienced what Maharishi was going for 
with his techniques? The very first stage of his magical mystery tour?

J:   As such, you have not experienced Being.  It appears that you still have a 
doubt in your mind, which is a thought in itself.  Or, if it isn't doubt, it's 
the idea of denial of experiencing Being, which is a thought in itself.

C: You do know we are having this conversation outside the meditaiton itself 
right? It would be like me claiming that you had never transcended because you 
are laying this trip on me, so that is a thought and therefor you never 
transcended.


I get it. It is disturbing for you to consider that someone might have had the 
predicted experiences from Maharishi's programs and conclude something 
different than you about what it all means. 


I'm staying out of this, because it's by far the lamest, dumbfuck post ever 
made to FFL, and lowers my already-low opinion of John and his thinking 
abilities. 

But if I were to venture a guess at the reason behind his ill-disguised hatred 
of atheists and need to consign them in his mind to a lower class -- one SO low 
they can't even transcend -- the thing that has his panties in a twist is my 
post the other day reminding folks that at least two of the self-avowed 
non-theists on this forum have had strong enlightenment experiences lasting for 
weeks, months, and possibly years. My guess is that's what got his panties 
twisted, because after all this time believing in God and all this time 
practicing TM, he's never had a CC experience that lasted more than a second or 
so, and that only in meditation, with eyes closed. 

In other words, my guess at what's motivating this topic is jealousy. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Curtis,  

 My responses are shown in red letters below:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis, 

 It sounds like you have not transcended thoughts at all.

C: And what could you possibly basing that on? Just because I have not come to 
the conclusions you have about the experience? Do you really think that in my 
15 years of practice with 4 solid years of rounding including 8 hour a day 
sessions at sidhaland I might not have experienced what Maharishi was going for 
with his techniques? The very first stage of his magical mystery tour?
 

 J:  I'm not denying that you've had the experience of meditation.  By 
definition, according to MMY in SBAL, Being is described explicitly.  However, 
based on what you're telling us, you have not experienced Being.  You have 
experienced Curtis-being.
 

 

 J:   As such, you have not experienced Being.  It appears that you still have 
a doubt in your mind, which is a thought in itself.  Or, if it isn't doubt, 
it's the idea of denial of experiencing Being, which is a thought in itself.

C: You do know we are having this conversation outside the meditaiton itself 
right? It would be like me claiming that you had never transcended because you 
are laying this trip on me, so that is a thought and therefor you never 
transcended.

 

 J:  I'm not laying a trip on you.  I'm merely repeating what you're stating.
 

 

 I get it. It is disturbing for you to consider that someone might have had the 
predicted experiences from Maharishi's programs and conclude something 
different than you about what it all means. 
 

 J: It's apparent to me that you're not experiencing what MMY is stating in the 
SBAL and his commentary on the Bhagavad Gita.  If yes, you would be making the 
same conclusion as he did.

You are placing a confidence about how you are interpreting your experiences 
that I do not share. You are not able to separate your understanding from your 
subjectively wonderful experiences. I've been there, I know how it is. So now 
you have to imagine that I could not have had the experiences you have and 
still deny that it is all as wonderful as you believe. I remember the mindset.

 

 J:  I'm not denying what you have experienced while in meditation.  IMO, you 
have experienced Curtis-being and not Being, as defined by MMY.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis, 

 If you say that you've transcended while meditating, then that means you've 
experienced Being.  So if that is so, how can you say that there is no God, 
which is Being Itself?

C: It is all in how you attach meaning to the experiences we have. I can do 
better than this. I experienced "God" plenty, and I still say that is not how I 
view these experiences now.

Currently I think the state in TM is a silent aspect of our minds that has zero 
ontological meaning about how the universe works. It is just something our 
brains can do that we don't understand yet and are only confused by traditional 
assumptions.

Different world view huh?

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?
 

 C: I "transcend" just fine in the Maharishi technique sense, no differently 
than when I was a believer. 
 

 I don't even have to have any idea that god doesn't exist any more than that 
you have to hold a positive idea that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It is a 
non thought.


















[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis, 

 It sounds like you have not transcended thoughts at all.

C: And what could you possibly basing that on? Just because I have not come to 
the conclusions you have about the experience? Do you really think that in my 
15 years of practice with 4 solid years of rounding including 8 hour a day 
sessions at sidhaland I might not have experienced what Maharishi was going for 
with his techniques? The very first stage of his magical mystery tour?

J:   As such, you have not experienced Being.  It appears that you still have a 
doubt in your mind, which is a thought in itself.  Or, if it isn't doubt, it's 
the idea of denial of experiencing Being, which is a thought in itself.

C: You do know we are having this conversation outside the meditaiton itself 
right? It would be like me claiming that you had never transcended because you 
are laying this trip on me, so that is a thought and therefor you never 
transcended.

 

 I get it. It is disturbing for you to consider that someone might have had the 
predicted experiences from Maharishi's programs and conclude something 
different than you about what it all means. 

You are placing a confidence about how you are interpreting your experiences 
that I do not share. You are not able to separate your understanding from your 
subjectively wonderful experiences. I've been there, I know how it is. So now 
you have to imagine that I could not have had the experiences you have and 
still deny that it is all as wonderful as you believe. I remember the mindset.

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis, 

 If you say that you've transcended while meditating, then that means you've 
experienced Being.  So if that is so, how can you say that there is no God, 
which is Being Itself?

C: It is all in how you attach meaning to the experiences we have. I can do 
better than this. I experienced "God" plenty, and I still say that is not how I 
view these experiences now.

Currently I think the state in TM is a silent aspect of our minds that has zero 
ontological meaning about how the universe works. It is just something our 
brains can do that we don't understand yet and are only confused by traditional 
assumptions.

Different world view huh?

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?
 

 C: I "transcend" just fine in the Maharishi technique sense, no differently 
than when I was a believer. 
 

 I don't even have to have any idea that god doesn't exist any more than that 
you have to hold a positive idea that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It is a 
non thought.















[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing the Torch

2014-05-10 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
"HEISENBERG SONG" COMPLETA CON SOTTOTITOLI IN ITALIANO HD (BREAKING BAD, LOS 
CUATES DE SINALOA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0JPTgAtqzw 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0JPTgAtqzw 
 
 "HEISENBERG SONG" COMPLETA CON SOTTO... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0JPTgAtqzw Ciao belli quanto tempo! oggi nessun 
doppiaggio o cortometraggio solamente una nota canzoncina dal telefilm breaking 
bad. non ne ho trovate di versioni sotto...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0JPTgAtqzw 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Que bueno muy bueno son todos ellos! 
 

 Dwayne Verheyden of the Netherlands:with Flaco Jimenez at the Tejano Conjunto 
Festival - San Antonio, Texas 2012
 http://youtu.be/d5PePKhuQ-E http://youtu.be/d5PePKhuQ-E





[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Curtis, 

 It sounds like you have not transcended thoughts at all.  As such, you have 
not experienced Being.  It appears that you still have a doubt in your mind, 
which is a thought in itself.  Or, if it isn't doubt, it's the idea of denial 
of experiencing Being, which is a thought in itself.
 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis, 

 If you say that you've transcended while meditating, then that means you've 
experienced Being.  So if that is so, how can you say that there is no God, 
which is Being Itself?

C: It is all in how you attach meaning to the experiences we have. I can do 
better than this. I experienced "God" plenty, and I still say that is not how I 
view these experiences now.

Currently I think the state in TM is a silent aspect of our minds that has zero 
ontological meaning about how the universe works. It is just something our 
brains can do that we don't understand yet and are only confused by traditional 
assumptions.

Different world view huh?

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?
 

 C: I "transcend" just fine in the Maharishi technique sense, no differently 
than when I was a believer. 
 

 I don't even have to have any idea that god doesn't exist any more than that 
you have to hold a positive idea that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It is a 
non thought.













[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Funny, I never really associated transcending with religious concepts or with 
God.  I just transcended to a quieter area of my mind.  My religious beliefs 
always remained separate. Sometimes, when meditating, I had what felt like 
restful alertness, which then translated into what I felt was a better degree 
of activity.  In one instance I noticed a constant of silence when I shifted 
from sleeping to waking up.
 

 Nor am I aware of traditional religions talking much about transcending.
 

 But I like much of what else you say here.  I mean a lot of it is the 'ol, 
"ultimately, there's nowhere to "go", sort of thing.
 

 But if you're not "there", you really can't relate to it.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If everything is being, 'transcending' is then just a myth, a story. The 
question here is, under what circumstances is the concept of transcending 
useful? All of us who learned TM obviously must have encountered the term. All 
the word means is 'to go beyond the range or limits of', and if everything, 
every aspect of experience is really being, then it cannot apply. It is a term 
useful for the spiritually stunted because it implies there is something more 
that can be mined from their experience than they currently recognise. 
Basically the term defines what is not experienced as transcending, but that 
does not mean that is what is actually happening when a person meditates is he 
or she is transcending to being. The whole thing is there all the time, like 
the ocean around a fish, just unnoticed.  

 Transcending is a magicians' trick, the mind takes the sense of it, unaware it 
is being misdirected, while what is actually happening is a process of garbage 
removal, deconditioning of the mind, which when complete enough reveals that 
there never was any transcending in the first place. There does not need to be 
a concept like god for this to happen. It is not even necessary to have the 
concept of transcending either, but sometimes it is useful as a tool, when 
people feel they are less than everything and separate from the world. The idea 
of transcending in spirituality is usually heavily tainted with traditional 
religious concepts, which tends to make practice 'to go beyond the range or 
limits of' current experience weighted down with a lot of additional 
conceptualisation and conditioning, in addition to the conceptualisation and 
conditioning of day to day living. That tends to double the mental load one has 
to discard to experience everything as being.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis, 

 If you say that you've transcended while meditating, then that means you've 
experienced Being.  So if that is so, how can you say that there is no God, 
which is Being Itself?

C: It is all in how you attach meaning to the experiences we have. I can do 
better than this. I experienced "God" plenty, and I still say that is not how I 
view these experiences now.

Currently I think the state in TM is a silent aspect of our minds that has zero 
ontological meaning about how the universe works. It is just something our 
brains can do that we don't understand yet and are only confused by traditional 
assumptions.

Different world view huh?

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?
 

 C: I "transcend" just fine in the Maharishi technique sense, no differently 
than when I was a believer. 
 

 I don't even have to have any idea that god doesn't exist any more than that 
you have to hold a positive idea that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It is a 
non thought.















[FairfieldLife] Passing the Torch

2014-05-10 Thread Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Que bueno muy bueno son todos ellos!

Dwayne Verheyden of the Netherlands:with Flaco Jimenez at the Tejano
Conjunto Festival - San Antonio, Texas 2012
http://youtu.be/d5PePKhuQ-E


[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
If everything is being, 'transcending' is then just a myth, a story. The 
question here is, under what circumstances is the concept of transcending 
useful? All of us who learned TM obviously must have encountered the term. All 
the word means is 'to go beyond the range or limits of', and if everything, 
every aspect of experience is really being, then it cannot apply. It is a term 
useful for the spiritually stunted because it implies there is something more 
that can be mined from their experience than they currently recognise. 
Basically the term defines what is not experienced as transcending, but that 
does not mean that is what is actually happening when a person meditates is he 
or she is transcending to being. The whole thing is there all the time, like 
the ocean around a fish, just unnoticed.  

 Transcending is a magicians' trick, the mind takes the sense of it, unaware it 
is being misdirected, while what is actually happening is a process of garbage 
removal, deconditioning of the mind, which when complete enough reveals that 
there never was any transcending in the first place. There does not need to be 
a concept like god for this to happen. It is not even necessary to have the 
concept of transcending either, but sometimes it is useful as a tool, when 
people feel they are less than everything and separate from the world. The idea 
of transcending in spirituality is usually heavily tainted with traditional 
religious concepts, which tends to make practice 'to go beyond the range or 
limits of' current experience weighted down with a lot of additional 
conceptualisation and conditioning, in addition to the conceptualisation and 
conditioning of day to day living. That tends to double the mental load one has 
to discard to experience everything as being.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis, 

 If you say that you've transcended while meditating, then that means you've 
experienced Being.  So if that is so, how can you say that there is no God, 
which is Being Itself?

C: It is all in how you attach meaning to the experiences we have. I can do 
better than this. I experienced "God" plenty, and I still say that is not how I 
view these experiences now.

Currently I think the state in TM is a silent aspect of our minds that has zero 
ontological meaning about how the universe works. It is just something our 
brains can do that we don't understand yet and are only confused by traditional 
assumptions.

Different world view huh?

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?
 

 C: I "transcend" just fine in the Maharishi technique sense, no differently 
than when I was a believer. 
 

 I don't even have to have any idea that god doesn't exist any more than that 
you have to hold a positive idea that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It is a 
non thought.













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[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis, 

 If you say that you've transcended while meditating, then that means you've 
experienced Being.  So if that is so, how can you say that there is no God, 
which is Being Itself?

C: It is all in how you attach meaning to the experiences we have. I can do 
better than this. I experienced "God" plenty, and I still say that is not how I 
view these experiences now.

Currently I think the state in TM is a silent aspect of our minds that has zero 
ontological meaning about how the universe works. It is just something our 
brains can do that we don't understand yet and are only confused by traditional 
assumptions.

Different world view huh?

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?
 

 C: I "transcend" just fine in the Maharishi technique sense, no differently 
than when I was a believer. 
 

 I don't even have to have any idea that god doesn't exist any more than that 
you have to hold a positive idea that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It is a 
non thought.










[FairfieldLife] Robbing Banks for Love

2014-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Or the story of a Saudi beauty and a manipulative Italian lover or giggolo.
 

 
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-beauty-robbing-twin-city-banks-084430854--politics.html
 
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-beauty-robbing-twin-city-banks-084430854--politics.html



[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
S. Richard, 

 My responses are in red letters below:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Atheists Can't Transcend

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 > Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist. 

 >
 You can't prove a negative.
 

 I'm not trying to prove a negative.  I'm defining the meaning of 
"transcending" which means going beyond thought, such as "God doesn't exist" or 
even the idea that "God exist" for that matter.
 

 > What do you think?
 >
 We are all transcending all the time to a certain degree, if by being 
transcending you mean experiencing subtler levels of consciousness. We all 
sleep, dream and then wake up and think things over. As humans we can think, 
which implies a conscious mind to do the thinking.
 

 I don't disagree with your statements here.  But, from what I understand, 
atheists seem to be saying that they can't experience subtler thoughts or at 
best NO THOUGHTS.
 
 
 So, we infer that consciousness is the ultimate reality. That doesn't rule out 
the existence of a  Transcendental Person, since that's the only other 
consciousness we could ever possible relate to. But we postulate that the 
ultimate is one, not two. That's what I think.

 

 I agree with your statements here too.  But I believe the atheists would 
disagree.

 

 


  





[FairfieldLife] Why?

2014-05-10 Thread Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
So, why did the cowboy adopt a dachsund?

To get a long, little doggie.


[FairfieldLife] Shock the Monkey

2014-05-10 Thread Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Peter Gabriel - Shock The Monkey
http://youtu.be/CnVf1ZoCJSo


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

 Well, that's it then, it's all settled - the gun problem, the gang problem, 
the people problem, the crime problem, the political problem and the posting 
problem. Thanks. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sure didn't take long for the old Curtis to surface.

C: New and old Curtis are figments of your imagination and have nothing to do 
with me.

J: But I'm not playing any more, sorry.

C: Yeah you keep saying that you are "done" and you are "gone" and that you are 
not "playing anymore", but here you are again.

L'll lack of self awareness gap is my best guess. But hey don't let me stop you 
from your huffy exit...there she goes AGAIN! 






[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Judy, 

 Nobody says they have to let go of the idea that there is no God.  They have 
the personal freedom to believe whatever ideas they can think of.  But by 
definition, transcending means going beyond the subtlest thought--even the idea 
that there is a God.  As such, the meditator can experience Being, Existence, 
or what it IS.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Let me try that again. Who says they have to let go of the idea that there is 
no God in order to transcend? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, 

 Nobody says they have to.  And that's precisely why they can't transcend.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Who says they have to? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?











[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Lawson, 

 What is wrong with the statement that I made?  Please, explain.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think you're in the wrong meditation discussion forum or that you need to go 
get checked. 

 

 L
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?









[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

 Atheists Can't Transcend

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 > Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist. 

 >
 You can't prove a negative.
 

 > What do you think?
 >
 We are all transcending all the time to a certain degree, if by being 
transcending you mean experiencing subtler levels of consciousness. We all 
sleep, dream and then wake up and think things over. As humans we can think, 
which implies a conscious mind to do the thinking. 

 

 So, we infer that consciousness is the ultimate reality. That doesn't rule out 
the existence of a  Transcendental Person, since that's the only other 
consciousness we could ever possible relate to. But we postulate that the 
ultimate is one, not two. That's what I think.

 

 



  


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are extrapolating for about two hundred million of us (urban dwellers). 
There is no constant low level fear here. As usual, I don't know anyone who 
thinks the way you assume they do. My daughter lives in a big city, and goes 
drinking with her buddies in sketchy neighborhoods, sometimes - no low level 
fear, there. I blew a tire in the evening in Philadelphia, and pulled off the 
freeway, into their worst slums. Just changed the tire and got going again. And 
please don't tell me you won't get mugged in some parts of Paris, as easily as 
you would in DC.  

 You make Europe out to be some kind of wonderland, but just like your 
meditation beliefs, something else has to suffer, as a result. The world is not 
some zero sum game, dude, so that if you discover something cool, someone, 
someplace, or something else has to lose, as a consequence. It doesn't work 
that way. All these imaginary people that you accuse of being small minded? A 
fantasy. All the 'cult behavior' that you enjoy studying here? Imaginary. 
 

 These are just games you must play with your ego, to feel better about 
yourself. Are you capable of enjoying someone, something, or someplace, simply 
for its own sake, and not only because you perceive it to be somehow 'better'? 
That's a question you need to ask yourself. It would improve your writing, too, 
if you ever got past it.
 

 You're welcome.
 








Re: [FairfieldLife] Casino Royale it wasn't

2014-05-10 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
damn - you should've kept playing! The table games are a whole 'nother level, 
and you probably need a bigger stake, $1000 or so, to play the ups and downs, 
and be successful. I just like the slots, even though I miss carrying around 
the buckets of quarters, and hearing them spill into the win tray - its 
awesomely horrible now, as they actually *play a recording* of the right amount 
of coins hitting the tray, on a winning pull. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I made a trip with my brother-in-law to  the Phoenix area a few years back at 
Christmastime to pick up my great niece so she could spend Christmas with the 
California relatives.  He picked a route which took us near Desert Palms around 
noon so he could play blackjack at a casino.  He handed me a $20 bill so I 
could go play some slots.  After an hour I went back to his blackjack table and 
handed back the $20 bill with an extra $40 in my pocket.  He, of course, left 
the blackjack table not so lucky.  
 
 However a couple more wins on the  machine I was playing and lights and noises 
would have gone off in the casino because that slot paid over a couple million 
dollars if you got that many wins.  And I would have hired someone to drive his 
pickup back to the Bay Area and chartered a plane to Phoenix and back. :-D 
 
 On 05/10/2014 08:07 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   but I still had a good time last night. I was sitting around in my trailer, 
not feeling very tired at around 10 PM. So I headed out onto highway 99, and 
drove about 20 miles north and west, to one of the Indian (American Indian) 
casinos around here. They had slot machines, and table games, but I stick to 
the slots. I pick either $1 or 0.25 slots, and play the ones on the row ends 
(due to more people dropping in coins randomly, and boosting the odds for a 
small jackpot), or slots with multiple pay-lines, or machines that just look 
good. There were a lot of penny slots there - which I never play, since a 100 
coin payout, which is rare, is all of a buck. woo-hoo, not.
 
 
 I went in with about $150, and was $10 up, after two hours, when I called it 
quits. My biggest jackpot was $150, for a $5 bet. After I hit one, I leave that 
machine. They have a cool system for cashing out, since nobody uses real coins 
anymore - the slot machine prints a bar-coded ticket of your winnings, which 
you feed into any number of ATM-like devices on the gaming floor, and your cash 
is dispensed right there - no wait at the cashier. Anyway, the people watching 
is always fun, and since I am pretty good at staying even or coming out a 
little ahead, it is a cool experience for a couple of hours.

 
 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I think you're in the wrong meditation discussion forum or that you need to go 
get checked. 

 

 L
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?






[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Let me try that again. Who says they have to let go of the idea that there is 
no God in order to transcend? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, 

 Nobody says they have to.  And that's precisely why they can't transcend.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Who says they have to? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?








[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Judy, 

 Nobody says they have to.  And that's precisely why they can't transcend.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Who says they have to? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?






[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Curtis, 

 If you say that you've transcended while meditating, then that means you've 
experienced Being.  So if that is so, how can you say that there is no God, 
which is Being Itself?
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?
 

 C: I "transcend" just fine in the Maharishi technique sense, no differently 
than when I was a believer. 
 

 I don't even have to have any idea that god doesn't exist any more than that 
you have to hold a positive idea that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It is a 
non thought.








[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?
 

 C: I "transcend" just fine in the Maharishi technique sense, no differently 
than when I was a believer. 
 

 I don't even have to have any idea that god doesn't exist any more than that 
you have to hold a positive idea that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It is a 
non thought.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Who says they have to? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?




[FairfieldLife] Atheists Can't Transcend

2014-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Why?  Because they can't let go of the idea that God doesn't exist.  What do 
you think?


RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Note to Rick, Conderning his interview with Sam Harris

2014-05-10 Thread pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
> And I get it that the other side has its judgements too.
> But between Sam's meditation experience and your
> open mind, there is a chance for a unique bridge of
> understanding.
>
It's also very interesting that Harris is practicing meditation himself and has 
some very subtle takes on reincarnation and karma. Many of us here think 
there's value in the meditation techniques, but like Harris, we don't buy into 
all the religious aspects of a practice. That's the point also of Stephen 
Batchelor the author of "Buddhism Without Beliefs".

"In his classic Buddhism Without Beliefs, Stephen Batchelor offered a profound, 
secular approach to the teachings of the Buddha that struck an emotional chord 
with Western readers. Now, with the same brilliance and boldness of thought, he 
paints a groundbreaking portrait of the historical Buddha—told from the 
author’s unique perspective as a former Buddhist monk and modern seeker."

'Confession of a Buddhist Atheist'
by Stephen Batchelor
Spiegel & Grau (March 2, 2010
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:03 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Note to Rick, Conderning his interview with Sam 
Harris


  
  
 Rick, I hope you will stay mostly with a pool of wakened people who by 
experience are illumined for your interviews and not just some talking heads, 
even if they are famous professional talking-heads.  There certainly is lots of 
ignorance to interview out there and other sources are certainly doing that.  
However I do feel you have done a splendid job particularly rendering down the 
Neo-advaita-ians down by your way of interviewing by experience that you do. I 
really am appreciating the last few interviews that cap this criticism of the 
in-the-mind- like advaita schools of sophistry.
 -Buck in the Dome
  
 Generally I do, but from what I understand of Sam so far, he cuts to the heart 
of the issue of belief vs. verifiable experience. I feel that issue has 
profound implications for religion, spirituality in general, and the 
foundations of modern culture. So Sam would fall into the same category as 
Hagelin, Menas Kafatos, Elisabet Satouris, and any other intellectuals I have 
interviewed or will interview who may not claim spiritual awakening, but whose 
insights should be of interest to anyone interested in awakening, and in the 
underlying forces driving the current social changes. I think those are much 
more radical than most people realize, but it’s hard to see them close up.
 

 C: Good answer Rick. I would like to add that for me, my discovery of the 
perspective beyond a spiritual experience of life WAS my enlightenment. It was 
no less perspective enhancing than anything I experienced with Maharishi, for 
me it was much more so.
 

 This is why this project is so uniquely yours Rick. Very few people are able 
to hold their judgements at bay long enough to give other perspectives a 
chance. Buck's reaction is so typical of "spiritually" oriented people. And I 
get it that the other side has its judgements too. But between Sam's meditation 
experience and your open mind, there is a chance for a unique bridge of 
understanding.
 

 Buck's perspective just comes off as so provincial. Buck remember when as MIU 
students we believed we could understand everything through SCI, that the model 
included everything within it? What makes you so afraid of other POVs now? To 
actually draw the lines of where you stand in distinction to the perspective of 
 a guy like Sam could make you stronger in what you know. But don't assume that 
he has had any less "experiences" or shifts of consciousness than you have. It 
is gunna be in how these experiences are viewed where the biggest differences 
are probably gunna come up.
 

 

 




 

 








[FairfieldLife] Eurovision song contest!

2014-05-10 Thread cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Suorat lähetykset | Tv | Areena | yle.fi http://areena.yle.fi/tv/suora/tv2 
 
 http://areena.yle.fi/tv/suora/tv2 
 
 Suorat lähetykset | Tv | Areena | yle.fi http://areena.yle.fi/tv/suora/tv2 Yle 
Areena - Ylen netti-tv ja nettiradio
 
 
 
 View on areena.yle.fi http://areena.yle.fi/tv/suora/tv2 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Now Playing

2014-05-10 Thread Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
http://youtu.be/5zLz8G6ZiuU


On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Pundit Sir  wrote:

> My favorite - "Abacab", 1981, featuring the "gated" drum sound: Daryl
> Stuermer,
> Mike Rutherford, Tony Banks, and Phil Collins.
>
> Genesis - Abacab (Full album)
> http://youtu.be/KX4kpMb0mTM
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Pundit Sir  wrote:
>
>> Chuck Berry - You Can't Catch Me - 1956
>> http://youtu.be/bcblXxc4oqo
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Pundit Sir  wrote:
>>
>>> Bo Diddley
>>>
>>> "If you ask me I'd say that there is nothing, just absolutely nothing,
>>> that you can do in your whole entire lifetime that will top the level of
>>> cool that Bo Diddley hit in this performance back in 1965." - Jason McHenry
>>>
>>> Bo Diddley- Live Performance
>>> http://youtu.be/IMZjAOoX6nw
>>>
>>> Bo Diddley - 1955 45 RPM recording
>>> http://youtu.be/8XxGUIbYjmY
>>>
>>> You Can't Judge a Book by the Cover
>>> http://youtu.be/Lch0o4wwGyw
>>>
>>> One of the founders, if not the founder of rock 'n roll, Bo Diddley
>>> invented the rock signature beat, a simple five-accent clave driving
>>> rhythm. Hard edge electric guitar - one of the corner stones of rock. In
>>> 2004, Rolling Stone ranked him No. 20 on their list of the 100 Greatest
>>> Artists of All Time.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Diddley
>>>
>>
>>
>


[FairfieldLife] Re: Now Playing

2014-05-10 Thread Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
My favorite - "Abacab", 1981, featuring the "gated" drum sound: Daryl
Stuermer,
Mike Rutherford, Tony Banks, and Phil Collins.

Genesis - Abacab (Full album)
http://youtu.be/KX4kpMb0mTM


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Pundit Sir  wrote:

> Chuck Berry - You Can't Catch Me - 1956
> http://youtu.be/bcblXxc4oqo
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Pundit Sir  wrote:
>
>> Bo Diddley
>>
>> "If you ask me I'd say that there is nothing, just absolutely nothing,
>> that you can do in your whole entire lifetime that will top the level of
>> cool that Bo Diddley hit in this performance back in 1965." - Jason McHenry
>>
>> Bo Diddley- Live Performance
>> http://youtu.be/IMZjAOoX6nw
>>
>> Bo Diddley - 1955 45 RPM recording
>> http://youtu.be/8XxGUIbYjmY
>>
>> You Can't Judge a Book by the Cover
>> http://youtu.be/Lch0o4wwGyw
>>
>> One of the founders, if not the founder of rock 'n roll, Bo Diddley
>> invented the rock signature beat, a simple five-accent clave driving
>> rhythm. Hard edge electric guitar - one of the corner stones of rock. In
>> 2004, Rolling Stone ranked him No. 20 on their list of the 100 Greatest
>> Artists of All Time.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Diddley
>>
>
>


RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Note to Rick, Conderning his interview with Sam Harris

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:03 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Note to Rick, Conderning his interview with Sam 
Harris


  
  
 Rick, I hope you will stay mostly with a pool of wakened people who by 
experience are illumined for your interviews and not just some talking heads, 
even if they are famous professional talking-heads.  There certainly is lots of 
ignorance to interview out there and other sources are certainly doing that.  
However I do feel you have done a splendid job particularly rendering down the 
Neo-advaita-ians down by your way of interviewing by experience that you do. I 
really am appreciating the last few interviews that cap this criticism of the 
in-the-mind- like advaita schools of sophistry.
 -Buck in the Dome
  
 Generally I do, but from what I understand of Sam so far, he cuts to the heart 
of the issue of belief vs. verifiable experience. I feel that issue has 
profound implications for religion, spirituality in general, and the 
foundations of modern culture. So Sam would fall into the same category as 
Hagelin, Menas Kafatos, Elisabet Satouris, and any other intellectuals I have 
interviewed or will interview who may not claim spiritual awakening, but whose 
insights should be of interest to anyone interested in awakening, and in the 
underlying forces driving the current social changes. I think those are much 
more radical than most people realize, but it’s hard to see them close up.
 

 C: Good answer Rick. I would like to add that for me, my discovery of the 
perspective beyond a spiritual experience of life WAS my enlightenment. It was 
no less perspective enhancing than anything I experienced with Maharishi, for 
me it was much more so.
 

 This is why this project is so uniquely yours Rick. Very few people are able 
to hold their judgements at bay long enough to give other perspectives a 
chance. Buck's reaction is so typical of "spiritually" oriented people. And I 
get it that the other side has its judgements too. But between Sam's meditation 
experience and your open mind, there is a chance for a unique bridge of 
understanding.
 

 Buck's perspective just comes off as so provincial. Buck remember when as MIU 
students we believed we could understand everything through SCI, that the model 
included everything within it? What makes you so afraid of other POVs now? To 
actually draw the lines of where you stand in distinction to the perspective of 
 a guy like Sam could make you stronger in what you know. But don't assume that 
he has had any less "experiences" or shifts of consciousness than you have. It 
is gunna be in how these experiences are viewed where the biggest differences 
are probably gunna come up.
 

 

 




 

 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Harry Dean Stanton – 10 great clips

2014-05-10 Thread Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Harry Dean Stanton, Chris Isaak, and Kiefer Sutherland
Twin Peaks - Fire Walk With Me - David Lynch
'The Good Morning America Coffee and Weird Woman'  Scene
http://youtu.be/pPQRu4iOMeQ


On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:09 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

>
>
> “I’ve been rather like a cat,” *Harry Dean Stanton* told Uncut in 2002.
> Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
> “I’ve been rather like a cat,” *Harry Dean Stanton* told Uncut in 2002.
> Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
> “I’ve been rather like a cat,” *Harry Dean Stanton* told Uncut in 2002.
> Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
> “I’ve been rather like a cat,” *Harry Dean Stanton* told Uncut in 2002.
> Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
> “I’ve been rather like a cat,” *Harry Dean Stanton* told Uncut in 2002.
> Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
>
> http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/the-view-from-here/harry-dean-stanton-10-great-clips
>
>  
>


RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Note to Rick, Conderning his interview with Sam Harris

2014-05-10 Thread 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:03 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Note to Rick, Conderning his interview with Sam 
Harris

 

  

Rick, I hope you will stay mostly with a pool of wakened people who by 
experience are illumined for your interviews and not just some talking heads, 
even if they are famous professional talking-heads.  There certainly is lots of 
ignorance to interview out there and other sources are certainly doing that.  
However I do feel you have done a splendid job particularly rendering down the 
Neo-advaita-ians down by your way of interviewing by experience that you do. I 
really am appreciating the last few interviews that cap this criticism of the 
in-the-mind- like advaita schools of sophistry.

-Buck in the Dome

 

Generally I do, but from what I understand of Sam so far, he cuts to the heart 
of the issue of belief vs. verifiable experience. I feel that issue has 
profound implications for religion, spirituality in general, and the 
foundations of modern culture. So Sam would fall into the same category as 
Hagelin, Menas Kafatos, Elisabet Satouris, and any other intellectuals I have 
interviewed or will interview who may not claim spiritual awakening, but whose 
insights should be of interest to anyone interested in awakening, and in the 
underlying forces driving the current social changes. I think those are much 
more radical than most people realize, but it’s hard to see them close up.

  

 
  

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sure didn't take long for the old Curtis to surface. But I'm not playing any 
more, sorry. 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 J: I'm sick of your debating tactics, Curtis. Your response here is just more 
of same.

C: Your content free personal accusation retort while framing a discussion with 
different POVs as a "debate." Odd perspective that.

J:  I shouldn't have stuck with our theism discussion as long as I did.

C: Interesting revelation. You resent the fact that I couched the discussion so 
that your usual unpleasantness would be too obvious and predicted, so you had 
to act more civilly. It really rankled you didn't it?

 J: From now on, when you begin hauling out the old tricks, I'm gone.

C: Yes "huffy" is the perfect word. The stock and trade of the high maintenance 
person. Ms. Huffenpuff, so much drama for an online conversation.

I suspect you are used to people reacting to your escalating unpleasantness 
routine by backing down because you are too much trouble for them to deal with. 
So you can live in a bubble of thinking you are always right. 

Too bad for you that your routine amuses me. 
 
Huff and puff!

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comment below... 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comments below...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?
 

 J: I don't think I said anything to that effect.

c: Linking gun control to reducing the "awful statistics" was to that effect.
 

 Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping 
criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't 
appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth.

c: Oh sorry, I thought you were referring to reducing people shooting each 
other which is dominated by criminals. Now that you have clarified that you are 
reducing the 'statistics"
I get your point completely. If we had laws that reduced people taking 
statistics you would have a valid point.

I wasn't stuffing any words into your mouth I was drawing out the implications 
of what you were saying as it applies to the world as I see it in a ...you 
know... like an online discussion where two people are looking at different 
areas of a complex problem.

 

 J:End of conversation.

C: Always so huffy! What's up with that?

 


 

 J:However, Obama's "Now Is the Time" proposals include many things that could 
be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending:
 

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf

C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is 
between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political 
theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for 
criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for 
people who sell them the harder more profitable way.

Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of 
determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools 
every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch 
on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either.

The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced 
misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as 
effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who 
don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking 
about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large 
round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are 
more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. 
Unintended consequences of gun control laws.


 

 

 

 

So for m

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 J: I'm sick of your debating tactics, Curtis. Your response here is just more 
of same.

C: Your content free personal accusation retort while framing a discussion with 
different POVs as a "debate." Odd perspective that.

J:  I shouldn't have stuck with our theism discussion as long as I did.

C: Interesting revelation. You resent the fact that I couched the discussion so 
that your usual unpleasantness would be too obvious and predicted, so you had 
to act more civilly. It really rankled you didn't it?

 J: From now on, when you begin hauling out the old tricks, I'm gone.

C: Yes "huffy" is the perfect word. The stock and trade of the high maintenance 
person. Ms. Huffenpuff, so much drama for an online conversation.

I suspect you are used to people reacting to your escalating unpleasantness 
routine by backing down because you are too much trouble for them to deal with. 
So you can live in a bubble of thinking you are always right. 

Too bad for you that your routine amuses me. 
 
Huff and puff!

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comment below... 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comments below...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?
 

 J: I don't think I said anything to that effect.

c: Linking gun control to reducing the "awful statistics" was to that effect.
 

 Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping 
criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't 
appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth.

c: Oh sorry, I thought you were referring to reducing people shooting each 
other which is dominated by criminals. Now that you have clarified that you are 
reducing the 'statistics"
I get your point completely. If we had laws that reduced people taking 
statistics you would have a valid point.

I wasn't stuffing any words into your mouth I was drawing out the implications 
of what you were saying as it applies to the world as I see it in a ...you 
know... like an online discussion where two people are looking at different 
areas of a complex problem.

 

 J:End of conversation.

C: Always so huffy! What's up with that?

 


 

 J:However, Obama's "Now Is the Time" proposals include many things that could 
be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending:
 

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf

C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is 
between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political 
theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for 
criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for 
people who sell them the harder more profitable way.

Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of 
determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools 
every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch 
on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either.

The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced 
misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as 
effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who 
don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking 
about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large 
round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are 
more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. 
Unintended consequences of gun control laws.


 

 

 

 

So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map 
of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People li

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'm sick of your debating tactics, Curtis. Your response here is just more of 
same. I shouldn't have stuck with our theism discussion as long as I did. From 
now on, when you begin hauling out the old tricks, I'm gone. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comment below... 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comments below...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?
 

 J: I don't think I said anything to that effect.

c: Linking gun control to reducing the "awful statistics" was to that effect.
 

 Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping 
criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't 
appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth.

c: Oh sorry, I thought you were referring to reducing people shooting each 
other which is dominated by criminals. Now that you have clarified that you are 
reducing the 'statistics"
I get your point completely. If we had laws that reduced people taking 
statistics you would have a valid point.

I wasn't stuffing any words into your mouth I was drawing out the implications 
of what you were saying as it applies to the world as I see it in a ...you 
know... like an online discussion where two people are looking at different 
areas of a complex problem.

 

 J:End of conversation.

C: Always so huffy! What's up with that?

 


 

 J:However, Obama's "Now Is the Time" proposals include many things that could 
be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending:
 

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf

C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is 
between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political 
theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for 
criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for 
people who sell them the harder more profitable way.

Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of 
determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools 
every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch 
on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either.

The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced 
misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as 
effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who 
don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking 
about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large 
round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are 
more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. 
Unintended consequences of gun control laws.


 

 

 

 

So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map 
of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living 
in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially 
inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven 
murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix.
 

 

 

 

 So I'm back to "America has a people problem."  































[FairfieldLife] Harry Dean Stanton – 10 great clips

2014-05-10 Thread nablusoss1008
“I’ve been rather like a cat,” Harry Dean Stanton told Uncut in 2002.
Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99 
http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
 “I’ve been rather like a cat,” Harry Dean Stanton told Uncut in 2002.
Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99 
http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
 “I’ve been rather like a cat,” Harry Dean Stanton told Uncut in 2002.
Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99 
http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
 “I’ve been rather like a cat,” Harry Dean Stanton told Uncut in 2002.
Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99 
http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
 “I’ve been rather like a cat,” Harry Dean Stanton told Uncut in 2002.
Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99 
http://www.uncut.co.uk/node/20109#prGuK4WKpY8siH5q.99
http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/the-view-from-here/harry-dean-stanton-10-great-clips
 
http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/the-view-from-here/harry-dean-stanton-10-great-clips

[FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I can't even imagine the wildness that is going on now at the border with 
Mexico. I guess without the huge financial incentive of drugs you might be able 
to control the border better. Now they have the dough to build tunnels!

I don't know how I feel about a national gun registry. I'm not sure with all 
the data mining that the government doesn't have a defacto list now. As far as 
making people register grampa's revolver that will never happen here IMO. So if 
you are only registering guns people are buying now you pretty much are dancing 
in political theater.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis: 
 > I am all for more mental health spending but again, 
> the most gun violence is between gang members fighting 
> over turf. 
>
 One of the main problems here in San Antonio is the gang-related drug cartels 
that sometimes spill over from Mexico. As long as the U.S. is supplying guns to 
the cartels and gang members, there's probably no way to control the firearms. 
The obvious solution to this problem is to make all drugs legal and to enforce 
tighter border controls. 

Just for the record, I am in favor of stricter gun control and for expanded 
background checks, but I am not in favor of a national firearms registry, which 
would be inconsistent with the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

'90 percent of Americans want expanded background checks on guns. Why isn’t 
this a political slam dunk?'
90 percent of Americans want expanded background checks on guns. Why isn’t this 
a political slam dunk? 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/
 
 
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/
 
 90 percent of Americans want expanded background chec... 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/
 What other issues have 90 percent support and don't get passed? It's a short 
list.


 
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 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?
 

 J: I don't think I said anything to that effect.

c: Linking gun control to reducing the "awful statistics" was to that effect.


 

 J:However, Obama's "Now Is the Time" proposals include many things that could 
be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending:
 

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf

C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is 
between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political 
theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for 
criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for 
people who sell them the harder more profitable way.

Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of 
determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools 
every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch 
on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either.

The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced 
misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as 
effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who 
don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking 
about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large 
r

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comment below... 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comments below...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?
 

 J: I don't think I said anything to that effect.

c: Linking gun control to reducing the "awful statistics" was to that effect.
 

 Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping 
criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't 
appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth.

c: Oh sorry, I thought you were referring to reducing people shooting each 
other which is dominated by criminals. Now that you have clarified that you are 
reducing the 'statistics"
I get your point completely. If we had laws that reduced people taking 
statistics you would have a valid point.

I wasn't stuffing any words into your mouth I was drawing out the implications 
of what you were saying as it applies to the world as I see it in a ...you 
know... like an online discussion where two people are looking at different 
areas of a complex problem.

 

 J:End of conversation.

C: Always so huffy! What's up with that?

 


 

 J:However, Obama's "Now Is the Time" proposals include many things that could 
be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending:
 

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf

C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is 
between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political 
theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for 
criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for 
people who sell them the harder more profitable way.

Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of 
determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools 
every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch 
on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either.

The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced 
misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as 
effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who 
don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking 
about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large 
round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are 
more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. 
Unintended consequences of gun control laws.


 

 

 

 

So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map 
of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living 
in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially 
inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven 
murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix.
 

 

 

 

 So I'm back to "America has a people problem."  





























Re: [FairfieldLife] Casino Royale it wasn't

2014-05-10 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
I made a trip with my brother-in-law to  the Phoenix area a few years 
back at Christmastime to pick up my great niece so she could spend 
Christmas with the California relatives.  He picked a route which took 
us near Desert Palms around noon so he could play blackjack at a 
casino.  He handed me a $20 bill so I could go play some slots.  After 
an hour I went back to his blackjack table and handed back the $20 bill 
with an extra $40 in my pocket.  He, of course, left the blackjack table 
not so lucky.


However a couple more wins on the  machine I was playing and lights and 
noises would have gone off in the casino because that slot paid over a 
couple million dollars if you got that many wins.  And I would have 
hired someone to drive his pickup back to the Bay Area and chartered a 
plane to Phoenix and back. :-D


On 05/10/2014 08:07 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


but I still had a good time last night. I was sitting around in my 
trailer, not feeling very tired at around 10 PM. So I headed out onto 
highway 99, and drove about 20 miles north and west, to one of the 
Indian (American Indian) casinos around here. They had slot machines, 
and table games, but I stick to the slots. I pick either $1 or 0.25 
slots, and play the ones on the row ends (due to more people dropping 
in coins randomly, and boosting the odds for a small jackpot), or 
slots with multiple pay-lines, or machines that just look good. There 
were a lot of penny slots there - which I never play, since a 100 coin 
payout, which is rare, is all of a buck. woo-hoo, not.



I went in with about $150, and was $10 up, after two hours, when I 
called it quits. My biggest jackpot was $150, for a $5 bet. After I 
hit one, I leave that machine. They have a cool system for cashing 
out, since nobody uses real coins anymore - the slot machine prints a 
bar-coded ticket of your winnings, which you feed into any number of 
ATM-like devices on the gaming floor, and your cash is dispensed right 
there - no wait at the cashier. Anyway, the people watching is always 
fun, and since I am pretty good at staying even or coming out a little 
ahead, it is a cool experience for a couple of hours.







[FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Curtis: 
> I am all for more mental health spending but again, 
> the most gun violence is between gang members fighting 
> over turf. 
>
One of the main problems here in San Antonio is the gang-related drug cartels 
that sometimes spill over from Mexico. As long as the U.S. is supplying guns to 
the cartels and gang members, there's probably no way to control the firearms. 
The obvious solution to this problem is to make all drugs legal and to enforce 
tighter border controls. 

Just for the record, I am in favor of stricter gun control and for expanded 
background checks, but I am not in favor of a national firearms registry, which 
would be inconsistent with the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

'90 percent of Americans want expanded background checks on guns. Why isn’t 
this a political slam dunk?'
90 percent of Americans want expanded background checks on guns. Why isn’t this 
a political slam dunk? 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/
 
 
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/
 
 
 90 percent of Americans want expanded background chec... 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/
 What other issues have 90 percent support and don't get passed? It's a short 
list.
 
 
 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?
 

 J: I don't think I said anything to that effect.

c: Linking gun control to reducing the "awful statistics" was to that effect.


 

 J:However, Obama's "Now Is the Time" proposals include many things that could 
be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending:
 

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf

C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is 
between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political 
theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for 
criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for 
people who sell them the harder more profitable way.

Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of 
determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools 
every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch 
on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either.

The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced 
misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as 
effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who 
don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking 
about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large 
round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are 
more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. 
Unintended consequences of gun control laws.


 So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a 
map of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People 
living in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially 
inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven 
murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix.
 

 

 So I'm back to "America has a people 

[FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.
>
I'm back to the U.S. has a crime problem. The vast majority of Americans are in 
favor of gun control.

Guns | Gallup Historical Trends http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx 
 
 http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx 
 
 Guns | Gallup Historical Trends http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx In 
general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of firearms should be made 
more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now? Do you have a gun in yo...
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Comment below... 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comments below...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?
 

 J: I don't think I said anything to that effect.

c: Linking gun control to reducing the "awful statistics" was to that effect.
 

 Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping 
criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't 
appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth.
 

 End of conversation.
 


 

 J:However, Obama's "Now Is the Time" proposals include many things that could 
be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending:
 

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf

C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is 
between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political 
theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for 
criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for 
people who sell them the harder more profitable way.

Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of 
determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools 
every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch 
on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either.

The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced 
misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as 
effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who 
don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking 
about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large 
round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are 
more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. 
Unintended consequences of gun control laws.


 

 

 

 

So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map 
of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living 
in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially 
inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven 
murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix.
 

 

 

 

 So I'm back to "America has a people problem."  



























Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Comments below...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?
 

 J: I don't think I said anything to that effect.

c: Linking gun control to reducing the "awful statistics" was to that effect.


 

 J:However, Obama's "Now Is the Time" proposals include many things that could 
be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending:
 

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf

C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is 
between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political 
theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for 
criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for 
people who sell them the harder more profitable way.

Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of 
determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools 
every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch 
on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either.

The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced 
misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as 
effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who 
don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking 
about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large 
round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are 
more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. 
Unintended consequences of gun control laws.


 

 

 

 

So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map 
of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living 
in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially 
inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven 
murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix.
 

 

 

 

 So I'm back to "America has a people problem."  

























Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'll confirm this from my experience when I lived in NYC.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are extrapolating for about two hundred million of us (urban dwellers). 
There is no constant low level fear here. As usual, I don't know anyone who 
thinks the way you assume they do. My daughter lives in a big city, and goes 
drinking with her buddies in sketchy neighborhoods, sometimes - no low level 
fear, there. I blew a tire in the evening in Philadelphia, and pulled off the 
freeway, into their worst slums. Just changed the tire and got going again. And 
please don't tell me you won't get mugged in some parts of Paris, as easily as 
you would in DC.  

 You make Europe out to be some kind of wonderland, but just like your 
meditation beliefs, something else has to suffer, as a result. The world is not 
some zero sum game, dude, so that if you discover something cool, someone, 
someplace, or something else has to lose, as a consequence. It doesn't work 
that way. All these imaginary people that you accuse of being small minded? A 
fantasy. All the 'cult behavior' that you enjoy studying here? Imaginary. 
 

 These are just games you must play with your ego, to feel better about 
yourself. Are you capable of enjoying someone, something, or someplace, simply 
for its own sake, and not only because you perceive it to be somehow 'better'? 
That's a question you need to ask yourself. It would improve your writing, too, 
if you ever got past it.
 

 You're welcome.
 











[FairfieldLife] Casino Royale it wasn't

2014-05-10 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
but I still had a good time last night. I was sitting around in my trailer, not 
feeling very tired at around 10 PM. So I headed out onto highway 99, and drove 
about 20 miles north and west, to one of the Indian (American Indian) casinos 
around here. They had slot machines, and table games, but I stick to the slots. 
I pick either $1 or 0.25 slots, and play the ones on the row ends (due to more 
people dropping in coins randomly, and boosting the odds for a small jackpot), 
or slots with multiple pay-lines, or machines that just look good. There were a 
lot of penny slots there - which I never play, since a 100 coin payout, which 
is rare, is all of a buck. woo-hoo, not.
 

 I went in with about $150, and was $10 up, after two hours, when I called it 
quits. My biggest jackpot was $150, for a $5 bet. After I hit one, I leave that 
machine. They have a cool system for cashing out, since nobody uses real coins 
anymore - the slot machine prints a bar-coded ticket of your winnings, which 
you feed into any number of ATM-like devices on the gaming floor, and your cash 
is dispensed right there - no wait at the cashier. Anyway, the people watching 
is always fun, and since I am pretty good at staying even or coming out a 
little ahead, it is a cool experience for a couple of hours.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 America also has a very different history from the Netherlands, one in which 
guns of necessity played a major role.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity 
plays a factor.  Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population 
make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US 
where there is more gun violence.

C: Oddly Amsterdam and DC have the same percentage of people living in poverty, 
around 20 % but racially they couldn't be more different, DC is 38% Caucasian.

One factor in DC crime in areas that didn't have crime before was an unintended 
consequence of the "war on terror" in the city. Beat cops were all pulled from 
areas they used to keep under control to more visible targets like monuments 
and the crime shot up elsewhere. Decisions are made on such an idiotic 
emotionally reactive thinking level. 


 

 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Comments below...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?
 

 I don't think I said anything to that effect.
 

 However, Obama's "Now Is the Time" proposals include many things that could be 
done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending:
 

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf

 

 

 

 

So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map 
of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living 
in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially 
inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven 
murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix.
 

 

 

 

 So I'm back to "America has a people problem."  























Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
America also has a very different history from the Netherlands, one in which 
guns of necessity played a major role.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity 
plays a factor.  Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population 
make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US 
where there is more gun violence. 

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] For the anti-abortionists here -- choke on this.

2014-05-10 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The car moving thing - There is a car wash I go to, just for that experience 
(cheap thrills) -- The washing module surrounds the car, and moves from the 
front to the back. So cool -- I hit the brakes the first time it happened. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, along these lines, I recall being in a small group, maybe 50 or 100 
people when MMY brought up an analogy about Unity Consciousness (I believe).  
He seemed rather excited, and it is an experience we have all had, and which he 
probably had just had. 

 When you are sitting in a car, (usually), and suddenly you have the sensation 
that you are moving, but you are not moving.  It's because the vehicle next to 
you is moving, and it causes some momentary confusion.
 

 And IIRC, he was saying that the experience of UC is like that.  Sort of like, 
"Is that one with me, or am I one with that"  I think that was the gist of it.  
But I always liked that.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 It's quite a remarkable post as I always gathered that Maharishi saying "you" 
he meant the soul and was referring to experiences perhaps stretching over many 
lifetimes. I mean, how many times haven't we heard or read of souls seemingly 
lost in this or that Deva. The timeframe you are describing is mindblowing.
 I also thought the sequence perhaps wasn't necessarily written in stone, more 
like signposts of the growth of consciousness, much like his description of the 
7 states.
 Your experiences tells me I was wrong, though it may apply differently to 
different people.
 What you posted is beautiful beyond description. Thank you for sharing.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Quite remarkable, me seeing this description from you (here in my trailer park 
– lol) --
 

 My first thought was, “How could they know? I haven’t told anyone…”. 
Seriously, I noticed an alignment with Shiva, starting about 21 years ago – 
green, grey, discrimination, boldness, Guru Dev as Shiva during a walk in a 
canyon in 1996, etc. It seems the function of this alignment is to get clear, 
almost in a militant sort of way, the Kshatriya energy. Then, about five(?) 
years ago, I began losing my affinity for that Shiva energy, and everything 
began to turn yellow, like the sun, like Vishnu, all accepting, the rays of the 
sun, which penetrate into everything, every crevice, every perspective, every 
aspect of the mind and heart, bathed in light, unceasingly. Quite a lot to 
behold, and absorb. Then the Divine Mother comes into view, and as the notes 
you summarized, mention, “and that has no end”.
 

 I infinitely prefer spiritual experience, to what I may read in a book, or 
hear in a spiritually oriented gathering, so it is always amazing, and 
satisfying, to eventually see a verification of something I have been keeping 
private, for many years. I had no idea that this sequence of personal 
experience, as I described above, was known to anyone else.
  
Thanks again.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone sent me this, also from private notes but at a different occasion:
 In the beginning days of transcendence you will start to experience Shiva. 
When you have experienced all the aspects of Shiva you will begin to experience 
Vishnu. When you have experienced all the aspects of Vishnu you will begin to 
experience the Divine Mother, and that has no end.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for that!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 First you experience Shiva for some time, then Vishnu and when you start to 
experience the Devi it has no end. - Maharishi, from private notes
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you want to diss your imaginary God, it is helpful to keep in mind that 
She, is, in fact, female, and always will be. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guy has a point. And he also has a point that God -- if The Bible can be 
seen as an accurate record of His works -- has killed off far more of His 
creations (human beings) than the human beings ever did. Based on the "cast" of 
The Bible, that is. God just *rocks* at genocide, even according to His holy 
Word.  :-) 

 

 
 From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 6:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] For the anti-abortionists here -- choke on this.
 
 
   Is The Bible Pro-Life? https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
 
 
 https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
 
 Is The Bible Pro-Life? https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/ 
Cenk Uygur (http://www.twitter.com/cenkuygur) host of The Young Turks reads 
directly from The Bible in order to answer the question of whether or not G...


 
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https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You are extrapolating for about two hundred million of us (urban dwellers). 
There is no constant low level fear here. As usual, I don't know anyone who 
thinks the way you assume they do. My daughter lives in a big city, and goes 
drinking with her buddies in sketchy neighborhoods, sometimes - no low level 
fear, there. I blew a tire in the evening in Philadelphia, and pulled off the 
freeway, into their worst slums. Just changed the tire and got going again. And 
please don't tell me you won't get mugged in some parts of Paris, as easily as 
you would in DC.  

 You make Europe out to be some kind of wonderland, but just like your 
meditation beliefs, something else has to suffer, as a result. The world is not 
some zero sum game, dude, so that if you discover something cool, someone, 
someplace, or something else has to lose, as a consequence. It doesn't work 
that way. All these imaginary people that you accuse of being small minded? A 
fantasy. All the 'cult behavior' that you enjoy studying here? Imaginary. 
 

 These are just games you must play with your ego, to feel better about 
yourself. Are you capable of enjoying someone, something, or someplace, simply 
for its own sake, and not only because you perceive it to be somehow 'better'? 
That's a question you need to ask yourself. It would improve your writing, too, 
if you ever got past it.
 

 You're welcome.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point 
because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be "controlled," 2) there 
would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled,  and 
3) Americans really *do* have a "people problem" that is larger than its gun 
problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA 
could be so crazy as to try to use the "smart gun" thing to make guns MORE 
available. And to argue that owning a "smart gun" should allow the person who 
owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond 
repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. 

 

 I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of 
a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents 
should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I 
do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that 
America fell prey to. 

C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. 
Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a 
way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are 
just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale.

I'm going to have to quibble with the "bullshit factor" comment, Curtis. Yes, 
the Netherlands has fewer overall people than the U.S., and yes, it has fewer 
guns because owning and carrying guns *never* gained a foothold here the way it 
did in the U.S.

But Amsterdam actually has a significantly *higher* population density than 
Washington, DC (12,670/sq mi as opposed to Washington's 9,316.4/sq mi). Seems 
to me that we should be able to compare gun homicide statistics in two cities 
of a similar density. 

Doing so, I find that in 2010 the average rate of gun homicides in Washington, 
DC seems to have been 21.9 per 10,000 people and the average rate of gun 
homicides in Amsterdam seems to have been 0.29 per 10,000 people. That puts 
Washington's rate about *75 times higher* than Amsterdam's. 

So I'm back to "America has a people problem." 

Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study:

"gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year 
in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, 
the bulk of those 32,000 "gun deaths" are suicides. "

Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 
to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again.

Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. 

We're back to Andy Borowitz' perceptive one-liner:

 


I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not 
in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably 
the least of my problems!

True. 

But how about the issue of "feeling safe?" I haven't felt *unsafe* walking 
anywhere, at any time of day or night, in any city I've lived in or visited in 
Europe since I moved here in 2003. This statement includes *supposed* 
high-crime areas of Amsterdam, Paris, Barcelona, and Marseilles. Hearkening 
back to what I said earlier about population density, Paris' is one of the 
highest in Europe, at 55,000/sq mi. And still no feelings of being unsafe, 
anywhere.   

That *absence* of the near-constant fear of random crime is one of the b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.

C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even 
gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership 
and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones 
shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would 
stop criminals from using them to defend their turf?

So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map 
of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living 
in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially 
inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven 
murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix.
 

 

 

 

 So I'm back to "America has a people problem."  





















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/10/2014 8:39 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


And I'm back to "America has a /political/ problem," given that the 
overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls,



>
I'm back to the U.S. has a /*crime problem. */The vast majority of 
Americans are in favor of gun control. 



but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the 
minority who don't want /any/ gun controls.



>
Those who don't want /any gun control/ are probably in the minority.


Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other 
situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority 
could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and 
some of the awful statistics would be reduced.

>
The U.S. already has gun control laws that don't prevent criminals 
getting guns.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Note to Rick, Conderning his interview with Sam Harris

2014-05-10 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Rick, I hope you will stay mostly with a pool of wakened people who by 
experience are illumined for your interviews and not just some talking heads, 
even if they are famous professional talking-heads.  There certainly is lots of 
ignorance to interview out there and other sources are certainly doing that.  
However I do feel you have done a splendid job particularly rendering down the 
Neo-advaita-ians down by your way of interviewing by experience that you do. I 
really am appreciating the last few interviews that cap this criticism of the 
in-the-mind- like advaita schools of sophistry. -Buck in the Dome 
 Dear Rick,  What does Sam Harris feel about the Vedic reverberations of 
Sanskrit? And the ontology of the Unified Field transcendent experience in the 
physiology? Does he have any experience with this that could allow him to speak 
with any authority around spiritual experience? 
 Rick, I just finished the Harry Aalto batgap.com interview. That was good 
criticism based on experience too. He has an amazing base voice but his 
perspective by experience was piercing. Janet Sussman who lived in Fairfield 
for years held weekly living living- room satsangs too with folks where her 
consult was very much like the way Harri Aalto languages it by virtue of 
evolving and long experience. Fun to hear it so clearly talked about and 
advocated for in the same way so directly by two different people in two very 
different packages. Same thing. In the Unified Field Your friend always, -Buck 
 
 fleetwood_macncheese Writes:
 Yeah, I agree with the bit about spiritual experiences being something that a 
person gets used to, no matter how flashy they may be, initially. Humans are 
great at assimilating any kind of experience. I find too, that whenever I tried 
to hold on to any spiritual experience, it went away. Once unbounded awareness 
is established (while it continues to expand), there is no obstacle to any kind 
of flashy experience; hang out with angels? why not? visit the inside of the 
body? OK. and after awhile, its like if a person works at Disneyland and can 
ride the rides, all they want, any time they want. 
 There are two sides to life, anyway - the spiritual momentum, and character 
development, aka 'doing the work'. Much more concerned, and interested, in the 
latter, these days. So, it doesn't matter to me what a person's beliefs are, as 
much as what kind of a person they are. Beliefs don't count for much. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 





Thanks for your comments. One of the things that amuses me in this discussion 
is that two of the participants so far who are on record as having no need to 
believe in a God are also on record as having had enlightenment experiences. 
Whereas possibly some of those who think of themselves as believers in God have 
not. 
 

 Such an assumption that really serves no useful purpose other than, well, you 
know..

Clearly belief in God has nothing to do with awakening or being able to have 
clear, according-to-Maharishi's-definitions periods of enlightenment. 
 

 It might be helpful to know who you are arguing with on this point.  

My larger point is that I think that having a belief in God has nothing to do 
with *anything* other than having Just Another Belief. Such a belief is not 
necessary to follow a spiritual path, and not having such a belief is no 
hindrance to one.   
 

 You do realize that you make this point on a nearly daily basis as though 
there is someone on the other side of this argument.
 

 I mean, I get the impression that people who have so called spiritual 
experiences may just make a note of them, and then move on.  Now, I suppose 
there are many who benchmark these experiences, but really, it's not anything I 
much see here.  So, maybe your comments are directed to a different audience.
 

 Even Jim, who is not bashful about declaring his enlightenment uses his own 
descriptions.  I mean maybe they do end up corresponding somewhat to the 
experiences you read about in texts, and that MMY has outlined, but growth of 
spiritual experiences, if they are genuine, come off as being quite fresh, and 
usually quite confusing, at least at first.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
And I'm back to "America has a political problem," given that the overwhelming 
majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate 
legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun 
controls. 

 Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations 
besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, 
gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics 
would be reduced.
 

 

 

 

 So I'm back to "America has a people problem."  



















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/10/2014 6:24 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that 
diversity plays a factor.  Holland is probably more homogeneous in 
terms of population make up, and probably has a higher per capita 
income than the places in the US where there is more gun violence.

>
"In ethnically diverse communities people seem to 'hunker down', meaning 
that they withdraw from public social life. Subsequently, a range of 
studies has shown negative effects of ethnic diversity on different 
measures of social cohesion."


Ethnic Diversity and Social Cohesion:
http://www.migrationeducation.org/47.1.html?&rid=201&cHash=7975c211a0c28156e87f9af2a89b0c29


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/9/2014 10:40 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
What Americans have is a /political/ problem in which minorities and 
special interest groups like the NRA are able to block the majority's 
strong preference for gun control. That's ultimately also a "people 
problem" in that we let things get to this infuriating state of 
affairs. But it's not a "people problem" in terms of everyone wanting 
guns to be uncontrolled, as Barry seems to believe.

>
The majority of Americans seem to be opposed to rescinding the Second 
Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. We already have gun control in the 
U.S. What we have in America, and all over the world, is a crime problem.




Americans really *do* have a "people problem" that is larger than its 
gun problem




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/9/2014 9:39 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 There was no thrill for me in firing the weapons, and it was 
incredibly loud.  But I figure I'd rather have the permit, than not.


Whoa, so strange for me to read about actual people who own actual guns.
It is rare that any of us would be confronted with someone intent on 
causing us bodily harm, but it's also a wise thing to be prepared just 
in case. It's good that Ann live in a safe area, but she might consider 
some form of self-defense and a plan. It's like having fire extinguisher 
or a smoke alarm in the house and everyone knows what they are and how 
to use them.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for your reply.  The bit about American and creativity was a short piece 
on the radio.  They came at it from a slightly different angle, that's why I 
remembered it.   

 But there is no doubt, American is a violent place.  
 

 I mean just this recent experience of me getting acquainted with my two guns 
was kind of strange.  Having a gun can imbue one with a sudden sense of power.  
And that feeling in the hands of an immature kid, without much discipline 
doesn't make for a good outcome. 
 

 I defer to your analysis of content on TV etc.  I tend not to be a large 
consumer.  I watch for a few minutes and then I find I've spent more time than 
I planned. 
 

 Now, lately we've been going to a lot more movies.  The independents.  So, I 
think I'm developing more of a critical eye along those lines.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 1:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than 
I thought
 
 
   Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that 
diversity plays a factor.  Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of 
population make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places 
in the US where there is more gun violence.
 

 While the higher income may be true for many people, it isn't for all. And 
according to the last figures I've seen for both countries, the U.S. and the 
Netherlands have around the same percentage of their population representing 
European Caucasian descent. The Netherlands is the most *diverse* place I've 
ever lived in terms of seeing people from other countries and cultures "settle 
in" and become Dutch citizens. Over 40% of the population of Leiden are ex-pats 
from some foreign country.  

 


 On the other hand, I just read or heard somewhere that when it comes to traits 
that make people more prone to be creative, the US, is at the top.  So, for all 
the problems, there are quite a few offsets.
 

 I would have to see the actual study and examine its protocols and the 
measures used to define "creativity" before I'd believe this. If you know of 
the source of the actual study (*not* the Abstract or a pop writeup of it), I'd 
be interested in seeing it. 

And let's face it, you feel the same way as evidenced by the fact that you are 
a large consumer of American culture, much of it violent based.
 
Onscreen violence doesn't bother me. Never has. So I look for *quality* in the 
movies and TV I watch. Whether that quality content is violent or not is not a 
factor. It's just that violence *sells*, which is why there is so much of it, 
whether you're watching Dutch TV or French TV or American TV. The producers are 
afraid to make much of anything that isn't a clone of something that was 
already popular elsewhere, or in another form. 

But if you were trying to say that I consider America the "most creative" in 
the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American 
TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently 
creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other 
parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider 
"American" and thus "creative" were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from "The 
Killing" to "The Bridge" to (soon) "Mammon." There is no "creativity" in 
remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version 
in English. 


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/9/2014 9:37 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
And I'm not really convinced that either of us carrying a BFG (Big 
Fucking Gun) would make even that encounter more productive.  :-)

>
Things don't seem to have changed much over there - the average citizens 
are, for all practical purposes, defenseless. Go figure.


Anders Behring Breivik murdered 69 teenagers in cold blood in Norway - 
he was found to be insane (diagnosed as having narcissistic personality 
disorder) and given a prison sentence of 21 years.


Twenty-one years. What!?

http://www.npr.org/2012/08/24/159975478/breivik-sentenced-to-prison-for-norways-mass-murder

"Breivik claims that in 2002 (at the age of 23) he started a 
nine-year-plan to finance the 2011 attacks, founding his own computer 
programming business..."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik


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Re: [FairfieldLife] For Share on This Friday

2014-05-10 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks, Ann, these critters are very cute if a little strange. At my Dad and 
step Mom's now. Tricky checking email. Have fun everyone!
 


 From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 9:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Share on This Friday
  


  

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than 
I thought
 


  
Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity 
plays a factor.  Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population 
make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US 
where there is more gun violence.

While the higher income may be true for many people, it isn't for all. And 
according to the last figures I've seen for both countries, the U.S. and the 
Netherlands have around the same percentage of their population representing 
European Caucasian descent. The Netherlands is the most *diverse* place I've 
ever lived in terms of seeing people from other countries and cultures "settle 
in" and become Dutch citizens. Over 40% of the population of Leiden are ex-pats 
from some foreign country.  



On the other hand, I just read or heard somewhere that when it comes to traits 
that make people more prone to be creative, the US, is at the top.  So, for all 
the problems, there are quite a few offsets.

I would have to see the actual study and examine its protocols and the measures 
used to define "creativity" before I'd believe this. If you know of the source 
of the actual study (*not* the Abstract or a pop writeup of it), I'd be 
interested in seeing it. 

And let's face it, you feel the same way as evidenced by the fact that you are 
a large consumer of American culture, much of it violent based.

Onscreen violence doesn't bother me. Never has. So I look for *quality* in the 
movies and TV I watch. Whether that quality content is violent or not is not a 
factor. It's just that violence *sells*, which is why there is so much of it, 
whether you're watching Dutch TV or French TV or American TV. The producers are 
afraid to make much of anything that isn't a clone of something that was 
already popular elsewhere, or in another form. 

But if you were trying to say that I consider America the "most creative" in 
the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American 
TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently 
creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other 
parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider 
"American" and thus "creative" were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from "The 
Killing" to "The Bridge" to (soon) "Mammon." There is no "creativity" in 
remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version 
in English.     

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/9/2014 9:37 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
That said, if I were writing this from, say, Uganda or the Ukraine, I 
might have a Glock in an EZ-Out holster mounted under my desk. 

>
Almost everything you're saying about firearms is illegal - it's against 
the law in Uganda to mount a Glock under your desk. Go figure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity 
plays a factor.  Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population 
make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US 
where there is more gun violence. 

 On the other hand, I just read or heard somewhere that when it comes to traits 
that make people more prone to be creative, the US, is at the top.  So, for all 
the problems, there are quite a few offsets.
 

 And let's face it, you feel the same way as evidenced by the fact that you are 
a large consumer of American culture, much of it violent based.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point 
because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be "controlled," 2) there 
would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled,  and 
3) Americans really *do* have a "people problem" that is larger than its gun 
problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA 
could be so crazy as to try to use the "smart gun" thing to make guns MORE 
available. And to argue that owning a "smart gun" should allow the person who 
owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond 
repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. 

 

 I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of 
a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents 
should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I 
do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that 
America fell prey to. 

C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. 
Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a 
way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are 
just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale.

I'm going to have to quibble with the "bullshit factor" comment, Curtis. Yes, 
the Netherlands has fewer overall people than the U.S., and yes, it has fewer 
guns because owning and carrying guns *never* gained a foothold here the way it 
did in the U.S.

But Amsterdam actually has a significantly *higher* population density than 
Washington, DC (12,670/sq mi as opposed to Washington's 9,316.4/sq mi). Seems 
to me that we should be able to compare gun homicide statistics in two cities 
of a similar density. 

Doing so, I find that in 2010 the average rate of gun homicides in Washington, 
DC seems to have been 21.9 per 10,000 people and the average rate of gun 
homicides in Amsterdam seems to have been 0.29 per 10,000 people. That puts 
Washington's rate about *75 times higher* than Amsterdam's. 

So I'm back to "America has a people problem." 

Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study:

"gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year 
in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, 
the bulk of those 32,000 "gun deaths" are suicides. "

Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 
to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again.

Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. 

We're back to Andy Borowitz' perceptive one-liner:

 


I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not 
in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably 
the least of my problems!

True. 

But how about the issue of "feeling safe?" I haven't felt *unsafe* walking 
anywhere, at any time of day or night, in any city I've lived in or visited in 
Europe since I moved here in 2003. This statement includes *supposed* 
high-crime areas of Amsterdam, Paris, Barcelona, and Marseilles. Hearkening 
back to what I said earlier about population density, Paris' is one of the 
highest in Europe, at 55,000/sq mi. And still no feelings of being unsafe, 
anywhere.   

That *absence* of the near-constant fear of random crime is one of the best 
parts of living outside the U.S. Yes, there are places on the planet that are 
worse, but that doesn't alter the fact that the country that considers itself 
"the best" in so many things is one of the most dangerous to its own citizens 
on the planet. 

One of the things I don't miss is that near-constant fear. People in big cities 
in America just get used to it, so much so that they don't realize that they're 
walking around in an adrenalin-pumped-up state all the time, with part of their 
awareness always wasted sustaining low-level fight-or-flight mode. Somehow I 
don't think this is the "reduction of stress" Maharishi promised to the country 
that has the highest percentage of TMers. 






















Re: [FairfieldLife] For the anti-abortionists here -- choke on this.

2014-05-10 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Well, along these lines, I recall being in a small group, maybe 50 or 100 
people when MMY brought up an analogy about Unity Consciousness (I believe).  
He seemed rather excited, and it is an experience we have all had, and which he 
probably had just had. 

 When you are sitting in a car, (usually), and suddenly you have the sensation 
that you are moving, but you are not moving.  It's because the vehicle next to 
you is moving, and it causes some momentary confusion.
 

 And IIRC, he was saying that the experience of UC is like that.  Sort of like, 
"Is that one with me, or am I one with that"  I think that was the gist of it.  
But I always liked that.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 It's quite a remarkable post as I always gathered that Maharishi saying "you" 
he meant the soul and was referring to experiences perhaps stretching over many 
lifetimes. I mean, how many times haven't we heard or read of souls seemingly 
lost in this or that Deva. The timeframe you are describing is mindblowing.
 I also thought the sequence perhaps wasn't necessarily written in stone, more 
like signposts of the growth of consciousness, much like his description of the 
7 states.
 Your experiences tells me I was wrong, though it may apply differently to 
different people.
 What you posted is beautiful beyond description. Thank you for sharing.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Quite remarkable, me seeing this description from you (here in my trailer park 
– lol) --
 

 My first thought was, “How could they know? I haven’t told anyone…”. 
Seriously, I noticed an alignment with Shiva, starting about 21 years ago – 
green, grey, discrimination, boldness, Guru Dev as Shiva during a walk in a 
canyon in 1996, etc. It seems the function of this alignment is to get clear, 
almost in a militant sort of way, the Kshatriya energy. Then, about five(?) 
years ago, I began losing my affinity for that Shiva energy, and everything 
began to turn yellow, like the sun, like Vishnu, all accepting, the rays of the 
sun, which penetrate into everything, every crevice, every perspective, every 
aspect of the mind and heart, bathed in light, unceasingly. Quite a lot to 
behold, and absorb. Then the Divine Mother comes into view, and as the notes 
you summarized, mention, “and that has no end”.
 

 I infinitely prefer spiritual experience, to what I may read in a book, or 
hear in a spiritually oriented gathering, so it is always amazing, and 
satisfying, to eventually see a verification of something I have been keeping 
private, for many years. I had no idea that this sequence of personal 
experience, as I described above, was known to anyone else.
  
Thanks again.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone sent me this, also from private notes but at a different occasion:
 In the beginning days of transcendence you will start to experience Shiva. 
When you have experienced all the aspects of Shiva you will begin to experience 
Vishnu. When you have experienced all the aspects of Vishnu you will begin to 
experience the Divine Mother, and that has no end.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for that!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 First you experience Shiva for some time, then Vishnu and when you start to 
experience the Devi it has no end. - Maharishi, from private notes
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you want to diss your imaginary God, it is helpful to keep in mind that 
She, is, in fact, female, and always will be. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guy has a point. And he also has a point that God -- if The Bible can be 
seen as an accurate record of His works -- has killed off far more of His 
creations (human beings) than the human beings ever did. Based on the "cast" of 
The Bible, that is. God just *rocks* at genocide, even according to His holy 
Word.  :-) 

 

 
 From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 6:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] For the anti-abortionists here -- choke on this.
 
 
   Is The Bible Pro-Life? https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
 
 
 https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
 
 Is The Bible Pro-Life? https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/ 
Cenk Uygur (http://www.twitter.com/cenkuygur) host of The Young Turks reads 
directly from The Bible in order to answer the question of whether or not G...


 
 View on www.tytnetwork.com 
https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
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[FairfieldLife] GYR

2014-05-10 Thread cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Rasputin


 



[FairfieldLife] Mr. Kuznetsov looks like young R*sputin?

2014-05-10 Thread cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
http://dhanur.ved.bz/lavka/godovye-prognozy/ 
http://dhanur.ved.bz/lavka/godovye-prognozy/


 



[FairfieldLife] Tantra-jyotish in Russia!

2014-05-10 Thread cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yahoo Groups 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Transcendental_Meditation_in_Russian/conversations/messages/3216
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point 
because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be "controlled," 2) there 
would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled,  and 
3) Americans really *do* have a "people problem" that is larger
than its gun problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers 
and the NRA could be so crazy as to try to use the "smart gun" thing to make 
guns MORE available. And to argue that owning a "smart gun" should allow the 
person who owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country 
beyond repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. 


I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of a 
gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents 
should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I 
do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that 
America fell prey to. 

C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. 
Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a 
way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are 
just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale.

I'm going to have to quibble with the "bullshit factor" comment, Curtis. Yes, 
the Netherlands has fewer overall people than the U.S., and yes, it has fewer 
guns because owning and carrying guns *never* gained a foothold here the way it 
did in the U.S.

But Amsterdam actually has a significantly *higher* population density than 
Washington, DC (12,670/sq mi as opposed to Washington's 9,316.4/sq mi). Seems 
to me that we should be able to compare gun homicide statistics in two cities 
of a similar density. 

Doing so, I find that in 2010 the average rate of gun homicides in Washington, 
DC seems to have been 21.9 per 10,000 people and the average rate of gun 
homicides in Amsterdam seems to have been 0.29 per 10,000 people. That puts 
Washington's rate about *75 times higher* than Amsterdam's. 

So I'm back to "America has a people problem." 

Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study:

"gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per 
year in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 
500-600 per year, the bulk of those 32,000 "gun deaths" are suicides. "

Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 
to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again.

Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. 

We're back to Andy Borowitz' perceptive one-liner:



I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not 
in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably 
the least of my problems!

True. 

But how about the issue of "feeling safe?" I haven't felt *unsafe* walking 
anywhere, at any time of day or night, in any city I've lived in or visited in 
Europe since I moved here in 2003. This statement includes *supposed* 
high-crime areas of Amsterdam, Paris, Barcelona, and Marseilles. Hearkening 
back to what I said earlier about population density, Paris' is one of the 
highest in Europe, at 55,000/sq mi. And still no feelings of being unsafe, 
anywhere.   

That *absence* of the near-constant fear of random crime is one of the best 
parts of living outside the U.S. Yes, there are places on the planet that are 
worse, but that doesn't alter the fact that the country that considers itself 
"the best" in so many things is one of the most dangerous to its own citizens 
on the planet. 

One of the things I don't miss is that near-constant fear. People in big cities 
in America just get used to it, so much so that they don't realize that they're 
walking around in an adrenalin-pumped-up state all the time, with part of their 
awareness always wasted sustaining low-level fight-or-flight mode. Somehow I 
don't think this is the "reduction of stress" Maharishi promised to the country 
that has the highest percentage of TMers. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] For the anti-abortionists here -- choke on this.

2014-05-10 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I know there are a lot of detractors of the technique, and the way it is 
taught, but the best advice I ever heard about TM and TMSP, was, 'take it easy, 
take it as it comes' - and also, I might add, let it go, as it goes (to make 
room for what is coming). 

 I remember when Shiva began to fade, and I was wondering what was next, and 
the sun just began to shine and shine. Not always comfortably - the sun is 
quite bright. However that wholeness of experiencing, vividly, everything, 
through Vishnu, is a prelude, to then seeing the perfect and dynamic order, 
with which She, aka God, aka The Divine Mother, constructs everything. For 
example, each room first, and then the sudden realization that it is, in 
totality, a palace. 
 

 Yes, this whole sequence of alignment and purification we are discussing, is 
complete and natural, and takes care of itself. I recognized long ago that the 
process of surrender picks up momentum as it continues, so that much more than 
can be expected, is able to be experienced, here, in this lifetime. 
 

 Also, it is a parallel process, along with daily life. It is as real as 
anything else, but because of the subtle and refined nature of the 
experience(s), it is completely hidden from the tools of science. Trippy stuff. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 It's quite a remarkable post as I always gathered that Maharishi saying "you" 
he meant the soul and was referring to experiences perhaps stretching over many 
lifetimes. I mean, how many times haven't we heard or read of souls seemingly 
lost in this or that Deva. The timeframe you are describing is mindblowing.
 I also thought the sequence perhaps wasn't necessarily written in stone, more 
like signposts of the growth of consciousness, much like his description of the 
7 states.
 Your experiences tells me I was wrong, though it may apply differently to 
different people.
 What you posted is beautiful beyond description. Thank you for sharing.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Quite remarkable, me seeing this description from you (here in my trailer park 
– lol) --
 

 My first thought was, “How could they know? I haven’t told anyone…”. 
Seriously, I noticed an alignment with Shiva, starting about 21 years ago – 
green, grey, discrimination, boldness, Guru Dev as Shiva during a walk in a 
canyon in 1996, etc. It seems the function of this alignment is to get clear, 
almost in a militant sort of way, the Kshatriya energy. Then, about five(?) 
years ago, I began losing my affinity for that Shiva energy, and everything 
began to turn yellow, like the sun, like Vishnu, all accepting, the rays of the 
sun, which penetrate into everything, every crevice, every perspective, every 
aspect of the mind and heart, bathed in light, unceasingly. Quite a lot to 
behold, and absorb. Then the Divine Mother comes into view, and as the notes 
you summarized, mention, “and that has no end”.
 

 I infinitely prefer spiritual experience, to what I may read in a book, or 
hear in a spiritually oriented gathering, so it is always amazing, and 
satisfying, to eventually see a verification of something I have been keeping 
private, for many years. I had no idea that this sequence of personal 
experience, as I described above, was known to anyone else.
  
Thanks again.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone sent me this, also from private notes but at a different occasion:
 In the beginning days of transcendence you will start to experience Shiva. 
When you have experienced all the aspects of Shiva you will begin to experience 
Vishnu. When you have experienced all the aspects of Vishnu you will begin to 
experience the Divine Mother, and that has no end.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for that!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 First you experience Shiva for some time, then Vishnu and when you start to 
experience the Devi it has no end. - Maharishi, from private notes
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you want to diss your imaginary God, it is helpful to keep in mind that 
She, is, in fact, female, and always will be. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guy has a point. And he also has a point that God -- if The Bible can be 
seen as an accurate record of His works -- has killed off far more of His 
creations (human beings) than the human beings ever did. Based on the "cast" of 
The Bible, that is. God just *rocks* at genocide, even according to His holy 
Word.  :-) 

 

 
 From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 6:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] For the anti-abortionists here -- choke on this.
 
 
   Is The Bible Pro-Life? https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
 
 
 https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
 
 Is The Bible Pro-Life? https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/ 
Cenk Uygur (http://www.twitter.com/cenkuygur) host of Th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
yep, from zip guns, to 3D printers.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doesn't take much technology to build a completely new one, from scratch, 
either! 
 On Friday, May 9, 2014 8:09 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
   I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all 
gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and 
one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where 
circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. 
Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to 
accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt 
semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and s&w - not so much for 
protection, as for target shooting.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I 
am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not 
a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up 
within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to  check if a gun 
was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids 
should learn this life saving skill.)

But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets 
to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship 
already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting 
all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would 
still have a gun "problem." I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling 
for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively 
pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem.

So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, 
and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one 
that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to 
go to jail dad or mom.

I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I 
like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I 
also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my 
life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even 
so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and 
out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times 
a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever 
have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to 
come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it 
impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer 
into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun 
works without a "quick" reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is 
keeping me from saying "please shop elsewhere" at 140 decibels.

America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any 
simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to 
make ourselves feel better that we are "doing SOMETHING" is the answer.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Recently I've seen more and more news articles about "smart guns," which can 
be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone 
pre-authorized by them. "Ah," I said to myself, "this may help in the attempts 
to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control."
 

 Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and 
learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before 
an effective "smart gun" ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology 
to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the "carry your gun 
anytime, and anywhere" nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. 

 

 If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I 
almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country 
into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. 
Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a 
saner place. 

 

 Pando at the NRA: The "Zuckerberg of guns" could save lives and make millions, 
but he'll have to fight the NRA first
 

 
 
 
http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/
 
 Pando at the NRA: The "Zuckerberg of guns" could... 
http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/
 I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited 
after spending a red-eye flig

[FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Right, "America" is overwhelmingly against any form of gun control. 

 Oh, wait...
 

 
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/americans-back-obama-proposals-address-gun-violence.aspx
 
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/americans-back-obama-proposals-address-gun-violence.aspx

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Recently I've seen more and more news articles about "smart guns," which can 
be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone 
pre-authorized by them. "Ah," I said to myself, "this may help in the attempts 
to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control."
 

 Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and 
learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before 
an effective "smart gun" ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology 
to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the "carry your gun 
anytime, and anywhere" nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. 

 

 If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I 
almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country 
into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. 
Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a 
saner place. 

 

 Pando at the NRA: The "Zuckerberg of guns" could save lives and make millions, 
but he'll have to fight the NRA first
 

 
 
 
http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/
 
 Pando at the NRA: The "Zuckerberg of guns" could... I flew in to Indianapolis 
on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye 
flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou...


 
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http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/
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[FairfieldLife] Sanskrit Reverberation and EEG and MUM

2014-05-10 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The slide pictures from India and the pundits chanting there were good 
verification too. It is a big research project in science and spirituality 
going on there. Fred with his EEG equipment stayed there and went in setting up 
test trials of various data pairs at one of the campus there with 1500 resident 
pundits chanting. It is really interesting science that even sophists, 
atheists, and agnostics here with open minds could be excited by. -Buck 
 Dateline Fairfield, Iowa, Meditating Community  
 Fabulous lecture tonite. Yes there is quite a significant difference between 
non-meditators, meditators, and advanced Patanjali meditators in brain EEG 
global coherence; and then listening to Sanskrit chanted slowly as Maharishi 
prescribed, the recitation reverberations in the subtle system evidently 
improving each class of coherence seemingly better than even listening to just 
anything else. Remarkable science of hypothesis paired testing to figure this 
all out.  Fascinating really.  Om, how our poor TM and Maharishi haters here 
shall eat crow**. -Buck at the Consciousness-based University 
 **Eating crow is an American colloquial idiom 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiom,[1] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow#cite_note-oed3a-1 meaning humiliation 
by admitting wrongness or having been proved wrong after taking a strong 
position.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow#cite_note-www-2 Crow 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow is presumably foul-tasting in the same way 
that being proved wrong might be emotionally hard to swallow. -Wikip
 

 ==
 

 Really important meeting tonite.
 

 

 EEG PATTERNS WHEN LISTENING TO VEDIC RECITATION
DALBY HALL
MAY 8th, 2014

 Tonite 8pm
 

 Join Dr. Fred Travis in exploring what happens to the brain when listening to 
Vedic recitation compared to the practice of transcending meditation, and find 
out about the ongoing research program that is being developed to explore these 
effects.

 

 Reverberation in Spiritual Practice:   
 

 "..within each individual through the practice of Transcendental Meditation 
and the Vedic sound reverberations, the Vedic texts recited. You can enliven 
the whole body, the whole physiology.  
 

 ..In modern science, in order to materialize a theory, a scientist is needed. 
Listen to this carefully. In modern science, for a theory to be materialized, a 
scientist needs to put the theory to practice. In the Vedic world, in Vedic 
knowledge, in Vedic science, the scientist himself is the embodiment of the 
theory, is the embodiment of the principles, because it is self-referral in its 
own quality.
 From within itself it is Total Knowledge, it is total power, it is total 
activity. This is Vedic speech, Vedic reverberations, Vedic sound. Vedic sounds 
themselves operate. And this has given a completely new approach to perfect 
health. Perfect health means perfection in every field for everyone on earth."
  -Maharishi, inaugural address on January 12, 2000.

 







[FairfieldLife] Re: Josh Thomas's Roustabout Lesson Plan - for Curtis

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Wowsa! What a find Emily, big thanks for passing this on. This is useful on so 
many levels for me. I love the clean verses they are using. I had not heard 
some of them

It is a little strange to hear the lyrics attributed incorrectly to Josh Thomas 
since I actually heard the recording in the archives that Mike learned this 
song from. He is using Josh's banjo style but verses from other people. I would 
have hoped that they would have gotten the attributions right. But I think if 
Mike Seeger said it, it was gospel!  Funny how he includes a verse from the 
darker song that kind of sticks out here talking about how women led him astray.

The lesson plan misses one of the most interesting discussion points for this 
age group about Josh Thomas being an African American banjo player. That blows 
a lot of kids minds when I tell them that.

I use fill in pages like this for blues songs but I don't have a written down 
list of questions like they are using. That is a great addition for the 
teachers I teach with.

Fantastic, much food for thought for my own songwriting lessons. Thanks again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hi Curtis:
 

 Have you seen this?  I love this, in that, for one, it is a wonderful lesson 
plan that throws out great ideas.  Check out the lyrics of this version of the 
song (scroll down). Smile.  Folk music lyrics reflect the essence of folk music 
do they not?  Always changing.  There is a new CD out as of August 13 - Classic 
Banjo. 
 

 Smithsonian Folkways - Lesson Plan - Josh Thomas’ Roustabout 
http://www.folkways.si.edu/tools_for_teaching/josh-thomas-roustabout.aspx  
 
 
 http://www.folkways.si.edu/tools_for_teaching/josh-thomas-roustabout.aspx
 
 Smithsonian Folkways - Lesson Plan - Josh Thomas... 
http://www.folkways.si.edu/tools_for_teaching/josh-thomas-roustabout.aspx 
Exploring Composition Using Limited Tones. Students will use Mike Seeger’s 
performance of “Josh Thomas’s Roustabout” as a gateway to exploring...


 
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http://www.folkways.si.edu/tools_for_teaching/josh-thomas-roustabout.aspx
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 Smithsonian Folkways - Classic Banjo from Smithsonian Folkways - Various 
Artists 
https://www.folkways.si.edu/classic-banjo-from-folkways/american-folk-bluegrass-country-old-time/album/smithsonian

 
 
 
https://www.folkways.si.edu/classic-banjo-from-folkways/american-folk-bluegrass-country-old-time/album/smithsonian
 
 Smithsonian Folkways - Classic Banjo from Smiths... 
https://www.folkways.si.edu/classic-banjo-from-folkways/american-folk-bluegrass-country-old-time/album/smithsonian
 The banjo is a “bigger than life” instrument, a symbol of deep southern 
American heritage.


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point 
because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be "controlled," 2) there 
would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled,  and 
3) Americans really *do* have a "people problem" that is larger than its gun 
problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA 
could be so crazy as to try to use the "smart gun" thing to make guns MORE 
available. And to argue that owning a "smart gun" should allow the person who 
owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond 
repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. 

 

 I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of 
a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents 
should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I 
do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that 
America fell prey to. 

C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. 
Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a 
way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are 
just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale.

Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study:

"gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year 
in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, 
the bulk of those 32,000 "gun deaths" are suicides. "

Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 
to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again.

Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. 

I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not 
in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably 
the least of my problems!












 From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 5:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I 
thought
 
 
   Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and 
I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am 
not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up 
within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to  check if a gun 
was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids 
should learn this life saving skill.)

But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets 
to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship 
already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting 
all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would 
still have a gun "problem." I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling 
for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively 
pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem.

So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, 
and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one 
that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to 
go to jail dad or mom.

I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I 
like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I 
also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my 
life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even 
so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and 
out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times 
a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever 
have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to 
come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it 
impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer 
into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun 
works without a "quick" reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is 
keeping me from saying "please shop elsewhere" at 140 decibels.

America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any 
simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to 
make ourselves feel better that we are "doing SOMETHING" is the answer.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Recently I've seen more and more news articles about "smart guns," which can 
be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone 
pre-authorized by them. "Ah," I said to myself, "this may help in

Re: [FairfieldLife] For the anti-abortionists here -- choke on this.

2014-05-10 Thread nablusoss1008

 It's quite a remarkable post as I always gathered that Maharishi saying "you" 
he meant the soul and was referring to experiences perhaps stretching over many 
lifetimes. I mean, how many times haven't we heard or read of souls seemingly 
lost in this or that Deva. The timeframe you are describing is mindblowing.
 I also thought the sequence perhaps wasn't necessarily written in stone, more 
like signposts of the growth of consciousness, much like his description of the 
7 states. 
 Your experiences tells me I was wrong, though it may apply differently to 
different people. 
 What you posted is beautiful beyond description. Thank you for sharing.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Quite remarkable, me seeing this description from you (here in my trailer park 
– lol) --
 

 My first thought was, “How could they know? I haven’t told anyone…”. 
Seriously, I noticed an alignment with Shiva, starting about 21 years ago – 
green, grey, discrimination, boldness, Guru Dev as Shiva during a walk in a 
canyon in 1996, etc. It seems the function of this alignment is to get clear, 
almost in a militant sort of way, the Kshatriya energy. Then, about five(?) 
years ago, I began losing my affinity for that Shiva energy, and everything 
began to turn yellow, like the sun, like Vishnu, all accepting, the rays of the 
sun, which penetrate into everything, every crevice, every perspective, every 
aspect of the mind and heart, bathed in light, unceasingly. Quite a lot to 
behold, and absorb. Then the Divine Mother comes into view, and as the notes 
you summarized, mention, “and that has no end”.
 

 I infinitely prefer spiritual experience, to what I may read in a book, or 
hear in a spiritually oriented gathering, so it is always amazing, and 
satisfying, to eventually see a verification of something I have been keeping 
private, for many years. I had no idea that this sequence of personal 
experience, as I described above, was known to anyone else.
  
Thanks again.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone sent me this, also from private notes but at a different occasion:
 In the beginning days of transcendence you will start to experience Shiva. 
When you have experienced all the aspects of Shiva you will begin to experience 
Vishnu. When you have experienced all the aspects of Vishnu you will begin to 
experience the Divine Mother, and that has no end.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for that!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 First you experience Shiva for some time, then Vishnu and when you start to 
experience the Devi it has no end. - Maharishi, from private notes
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you want to diss your imaginary God, it is helpful to keep in mind that 
She, is, in fact, female, and always will be. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guy has a point. And he also has a point that God -- if The Bible can be 
seen as an accurate record of His works -- has killed off far more of His 
creations (human beings) than the human beings ever did. Based on the "cast" of 
The Bible, that is. God just *rocks* at genocide, even according to His holy 
Word.  :-) 

 

 
 From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 6:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] For the anti-abortionists here -- choke on this.
 
 
   Is The Bible Pro-Life? https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
 
 
 https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/
 
 Is The Bible Pro-Life? https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/05/09/bible-pro-life/ 
Cenk Uygur (http://www.twitter.com/cenkuygur) host of The Young Turks reads 
directly from The Bible in order to answer the question of whether or not G...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Hi Curtis - you were talking about perception vs. reality, earlier, regarding 
the 'God' idea (and not to get into that again, though I appreciated some of 
your points...), and in the same way, the risk of getting shot is not great, 
although given this age of knowledge, we know about it, instantly, anywhere, 
with details, pictures, and videos. So, given the old adage, 'if it bleeds, it 
leads', if an innocent observer looked at US media coverage, we are all in 
immanent danger of crashing our cars, shooting each other, and plummeting out 
of the sky. Interesting how tech allows us to get upset, about issues which 
never actually touch us, in our daily lives. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point 
because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be "controlled," 2) there 
would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled,  and 
3) Americans really *do* have a "people problem" that is larger than its gun 
problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA 
could be so crazy as to try to use the "smart gun" thing to make guns MORE 
available. And to argue that owning a "smart gun" should allow the person who 
owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond 
repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. 

 

 I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of 
a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents 
should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I 
do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that 
America fell prey to. 

C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. 
Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a 
way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are 
just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale.

Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study:

"gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year 
in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, 
the bulk of those 32,000 "gun deaths" are suicides. "

Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 
to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again.

Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. 

I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not 
in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably 
the least of my problems!












 From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 5:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I 
thought
 
 
   Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and 
I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am 
not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up 
within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to  check if a gun 
was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids 
should learn this life saving skill.)

But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets 
to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship 
already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting 
all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would 
still have a gun "problem." I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling 
for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively 
pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem.

So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, 
and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one 
that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to 
go to jail dad or mom.

I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I 
like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I 
also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my 
life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even 
so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and 
out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times 
a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever 
have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to 
come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it 
impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my compu

[FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I live in a bit of crime area and work in a resurgent area.  But I do plan to 
get my cc permit in a couple weeks. I went to the shooting range last week to 
get familiar with the two hand guns passed down to me from my grandfather and 
dad to me.  One is a 32 cal. Smith & Wesson snub nose revolver, and the other 
is a 32 cal. Colt semi automatic.  There was no thrill for me in firing the 
weapons, and it was incredibly loud.  But I figure I'd rather have the permit, 
than not.

C: Are you using the big ear protector headphone looking things at the range? 
Very important. I haven't shot at a range in over a decade I really should go 
again. I remember that the vibe was very serious, it felt tense but real. I 
enjoyed shooting at the range. Something zen about learning how to relax and 
squeeze. 

 A 32 should be a pleasure to shoot. You might consider getting some of the 
special rounds for self defense that up the stopping power for a smaller gun 
like that. Your gun store guy will know. Nothing like a wheel gun for 
reliability. I have a Walthur PPK .380 (think James Bond) which is semi auto. 
If I had it to do over again I would get a revolver. If you don't hold them 
right for the kick to eject the shell case right they can jam. 

Better to have it and not need it if you are in squirrelly areas. 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all 
gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and 
one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where 
circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. 
Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to 
accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt 
semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and s&w - not so much for 
protection, as for target shooting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I 
am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not 
a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up 
within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to  check if a gun 
was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids 
should learn this life saving skill.)

But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets 
to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship 
already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting 
all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would 
still have a gun "problem." I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling 
for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively 
pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem.

So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, 
and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one 
that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to 
go to jail dad or mom.

I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I 
like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I 
also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my 
life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even 
so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and 
out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times 
a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever 
have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to 
come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it 
impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer 
into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun 
works without a "quick" reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is 
keeping me from saying "please shop elsewhere" at 140 decibels.

America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any 
simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to 
make ourselves feel better that we are "doing SOMETHING" is the answer.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Recently I've seen more and more news articles about "smart guns," which can 
be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone 
pre-authorized by them. "Ah," I said to myself, "this may help in the attempts 
to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control."
 

 Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and 
learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already

[FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Fleetwood!  Can I call you "Fleeting...?"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fanaticism is always ugly - yours, included.
 

 God, Fleetwood, it's good to have you back. 
 Imagine Bawee believing, even for one eentsy beentsy moment, that "sanity" can 
be returned to a place that has just annihilated itself through mass shooting. 
Or that he would hope such a thing would happen in the first place. On top of 
that Bawee, being an American and living off the fat of the land in one way or 
other despite his residency in a different country, considers himself so above 
such violent lunacy. But, once again, you have caught him in his own hypocrisy. 
Kraft Dinner all around - on me!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Recently I've seen more and more news articles about "smart guns," which can 
be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone 
pre-authorized by them. "Ah," I said to myself, "this may help in the attempts 
to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control."
 

 Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and 
learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before 
an effective "smart gun" ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology 
to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the "carry your gun 
anytime, and anywhere" nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. 

 

 If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I 
almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country 
into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. 
Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a 
saner place. 

 

 Pando at the NRA: The "Zuckerberg of guns" could save lives and make millions, 
but he'll have to fight the NRA first
 

 
 
 
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on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye 
flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou...


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 I know.  Kinda strange Ann.  These guns sat in a safe for probably 40 years 
untouched.  They've never been needed, and aren't really needed now.  But, as 
you mention, we do live in different areas. And, I like where I live.  It is a 
diverse area, that is attracting new residents and urban sprawl declines and 
people move back to the city.  But, there is also a great element of 
unpredictability, and so, I am going to take a precautionary step should it 
ever be needed. 

 Owls.  Owls.  That must be so cool.  There used to be an owl that would come 
around every fall, but I think the people across the street got rid of the 
where that owl would sit.  It always caused such a ruckus among the other birds 
when he showed up.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I live in a bit of crime area and work in a resurgent area.  But I do plan to 
get my cc permit in a couple weeks. I went to the shooting range last week to 
get familiar with the two hand guns passed down to me from my grandfather and 
dad to me.  One is a 32 cal. Smith & Wesson snub nose revolver, and the other 
is a 32 cal. Colt semi automatic.  There was no thrill for me in firing the 
weapons, and it was incredibly loud.  But I figure I'd rather have the permit, 
than not.
 

 Whoa, so strange for me to read about actual people who own actual guns. I 
live in an area where I wouldn't have to lock anything. Not my car, not my 
house, not my tack room which contains approximately $35K worth of saddles. I 
am very fortunate. I am surrounded by law-abiding neighbors and owls, salt 
water bays and Douglas fir. I don't want to have to live in fear nor do I ever 
want to feel I should own let alone carry a gun. I am vehemently anti-gun. It 
makes no sense to me that any flawed human being should actually be carrying 
around or have access to a weapon that responds so quickly to a whim or an 
emotion that you can't take back once the bloody thing fires. No thanks. I'll 
just stay someplace where deadly weapons are not considered as essential as a 
toothbrush.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all 
gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and 
one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where 
circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. 
Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to 
accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt 
semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and s&w - not so much for 
protection, as for target shooting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I 
am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not 
a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up 
within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to  check if a gun 
was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids 
should learn this life saving skill.)

But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets 
to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship 
already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting 
all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would 
still have a gun "problem." I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling 
for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively 
pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem.

So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, 
and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one 
that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to 
go to jail dad or mom.

I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I 
like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I 
also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my 
life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even 
so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and 
out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times 
a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever 
have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to 
come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it 
impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer 
into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun 
works without a "quick" reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is 
keeping me from saying "please shop elsew

[FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought

2014-05-10 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Fanaticism is always ugly - yours, included. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Recently I've seen more and more news articles about "smart guns," which can 
be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone 
pre-authorized by them. "Ah," I said to myself, "this may help in the attempts 
to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control."
 

 Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and 
learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before 
an effective "smart gun" ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology 
to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the "carry your gun 
anytime, and anywhere" nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. 

 

 If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I 
almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country 
into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. 
Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a 
saner place. 

 

 Pando at the NRA: The "Zuckerberg of guns" could save lives and make millions, 
but he'll have to fight the NRA first
 

 
 
 
http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/
 
 Pando at the NRA: The "Zuckerberg of guns" could... I flew in to Indianapolis 
on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye 
flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou...


 
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