[FairfieldLife] Decline of FairfieldLife
You know Mr. Hamilton, if we look at the past history of Fairfield Life, it has declined from as many as 4,000 posts a month to a trickle. Almost everyone has abandoned it, and it would appear you had a lot to do with it, by removing people you disagreed with. Rick Archer had made this an open forum, and you did not, you segregated people out based on your beliefs, it would seem under the pretext that messages violated Yahoo Guidelines. Now you may notice Fairfield Life is now reborn on groups.io, about half the people previously on FFL moved there. I have not moved there yet. But perhaps you realize that narrowing the spectrum of what is allowable is in the end a somewhat tyrannical method of enforcing what you wish people to believe. But people believe all sorts of things, profound to inept idiocy. You cannot enforce what people think is true, even if it is dead wrong. The content on this forum will disappear soon. Such is the nature of evolution.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield, Iowa to Rebrand
On Monday, June 10, 2019, 6:17:25 PM PDT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Radically Spiritual: Fairfield, Iowa. A Top City for Meditation 26 Square Miles Surrounded by Reality Fairfield may be surrounded by reality somewhere, but what about inside the town and the university? The vast cacophony of conflicting spiritual ideas makes the place a hotbed of fantasy and discord. Spiritual ideas, along with political ones, make one of the primary reasons for discord in the world and communities. In such a situation, hypocrisy is the standard mode of thought. Eclectic means deriving ideas, style, or taste from a broad and diverse range of sources. The TM movement in its official capacity in Fairfield certainly does not want that as it only want once source for its ideas. Visit Spiritual Fairfield, Iowa.. Fairfield, Iowa rated the number one Top City for Meditation.. 30 Top Cities and Towns for Meditation in America, An article: http://www.sonima.com/meditation/top-cities-for-meditation/ The Spiritual Heart of America This spiritual aspect of Fairfield,Iowa, its larger eclectic spiritual practice community, is certainly a mature feature of the present day in Fairfield. Taglines.. Fairfield, Iowa: Cool and Current. Rarified. Where People of all Ages Can Feel they Belong. A Community Filled with Great Schools. A Town Where Opposites Attract Sadhana and Good Works Fearlessness Unbound Utopian Vision and Search for Community A Town Where New Age and Old Age Meet A Deep Exploration in Freedom Pluralistic and Moving Forward We Put the “Corn” in Cornucopia A Place of Meditation With Revolution in Mind Always Dynamic Never Static At Work in Adaptation Phenomenal Forces at Work All the Time Fairfield, Iowa, Where Harmony is not Static A Place of Evolution A Place Where Happiness is a Prime Objective Fairfield, Iowa “Business, Art, and Spirituality” Come Feel our Vibe. ... Fairfield, Iowa: Rarified A Community Filled with Great Schools. I’ve been surveying folks for re-freshed Fairfield taglines and I rattled off some of these suggested tag lines for the Mayor recently. He was quite open and appreciative of the range. This week I’ll visit some of the folks working on this and share these FFL links. ...Other ideas? "..Located in southeast Iowa, Fairfield is a tourist destination known for its large community of over 3,000 meditators, the creative arts, Maharishi Vastu® architecture, vibrant businesses, and an outstanding quality of life. Fairfield, Iowa was listed by Smithsonian magazine as one of the seven best small towns to visit in 2013 and by BuzzFeed as the second coolest small city in 2014." Fairfield, Iowa -Phenomenal Forces at Work All the Time What is going on in Fairfield, Iowa? How is it going in Fairfield? Anymore in reply I usually start off by confirming, “..We’re a bunch of Transcendentalists”, to contextualize what is going on here. The Fairfield,Iowa aspect of there being a larger more eclectic spiritual practice community, larger than just the TM story, is certainly a mature feature of present day in Fairfield. People evidently do come to see that and some are moving to Fairfield for this. For those who think practically about an economic reality of 'tourism' that does come to Fairfield, Iowa this ‘branding’ as a communal exercise helps clarify our own thinking about Fairfield as a community and also helps in the sharing with others insights into Fairfield, Iowa as a place. Fairfield, Iowa-A Deep Exploration in Freedom Fairfield, Iowa..Where People of all Ages Can Feel they Belong. Fairfield, Iowa Never Static Always Dynamic Fairfield, Iowa: Fearlessness Unbound FAIRFIELD, IOWA -Pluralistic and Moving Forward ...Sadhana and Good Works Fairfield, Iowa 'Utopian Vision and Search for Community' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Howzabout, "Fairfield: We Put the 'Corn' in Cornucopia"? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A long time ago a friend of mine suggested "Fairfield -- Nowhere Else Comes Close," which at the time I thought was quite clever, but not likely to be adopted. Taglines are mostly a waste of time, I think. They are dreamed up by PR people and don't mean anything. I have recently spent time in Grinnell, IA, which for those who don't know, is the same size as Fairfield, about 90 miles northwest. Grinnell's tagline is "The Jewel of the Prairie." Well, you could have fooled me. It doesn't even have a decent restaurant. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fairfield, Iowa -A Place of Meditation with Revolution in Mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Small Town with Big Values" is great, but a lot of other towns use it in their promotion (Google it). ...Anyone have tagline ideas that are inclusive of it all? from folks after Quaker Meeting.. Business, Art and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Importance of Group Meditation! Excellent well written Doug! Great start for a FRESH & look inwards via the dome experience to be more inclusive
Advertising aside, it does appear the Superradiance experiment is actually a failure. Why not just cap it off and do something that is worthwhile in some other way? Leadership is an important contribution, but there could be other reasons why people don't come. What is the level of fulfillment for people who do do the program, but for some other reason do not come? What are peoples' experience of the techniques in general? When experiences are published, they are the cream of the crop, but what about the average joe? Lots of peoples' experiences of meditation and the sidhi program are not spectacular by any means. How do you entice them? On Saturday, February 2, 2019, 3:01:47 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Re: The Importance of Group Meditation! Excellent well written Doug! Great start for a FRESH & look inwards via the dome experience to be more inclusive.. In FF conversation.. "..Spiritual Evolution is a whole lot easier in a group. It will take a whole lot longer individually, to do this individually alone. It ‘takes a village’. When we do this together obviously you are the first beneficiary of it but you are also affecting the collective, our collective and also the larger collective. So thank you for coming to Fairfield and the group meditation in community we do here." Yes, thanks for seeing this. . It should be important in the survival of the Dome meditation right now that any who have access to levels of the ownership in TM where policy is made could be copying and pasting points of this exchange below in to communication with those power people at the top. Engage whoever and wherever the power is vested, where the levers of power are. Send ‘em a letter, mail, e-mail, imessages, facebook messenger, phone them, tweet them, however. The Dome meditation attendance numbers are in crisis. Month by month these numbers continue to dwindle. The metrics of this situation are foreboding. Numbers are dropping in a consistency by 10 and 20 a month for many many months now. This is not just an administrative problem but one of leadership. The recent month attendance numbers are not just lower but now hitting lows lower than they were prior to the beginning of the late assembly in 2006. There evidently is a core cultural problem in leadership of the TM movement that for a cohesion in survival of this community needs to be proactively addressed right now. Everyone’s help is needed on pressing this now.. Who has contact with, policy access to Dr. Nader? Dr. Hagelin: MUM President’s Office, 641-472-1260. presid...@mum.edu JGD, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : EXCELLENT Doug very well thought & presented in a respectful, & loving manor with the past restrictive codes put aside, MOST REFRESHING! To read & to see the compassion & love between the lines Doug! The group meditation & coupling it with the TM Sidhi program reduces combat , prevents wars & is most helpful for the health of the community at large.AGAIN THANKS in gratitude for your well shared KNOWLEDGE back up with Guru Dev Quotes -Original Message- From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] To: FairfieldLife Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2019 7:59 am Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Importance of Group Meditation ...based on the non-religious Transcendental Meditation (TM) program,As strange as it may sound, when large groups of trained practitioners sit down on a daily basis to do this meditation program together, a powerful "field effect" of coherence and peace ripples throughout the consciousness of the surrounding population. The bigger the group the bigger the effect. The outcomes, confirmed repeatedly by extensive scientific research, are consistent and measurable decreases in war deaths, terrorism, and crime. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dear Drs. Hagelin and Nader: Now that the pundits are gone from Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa could you write the membership application guidelines for the Domes anew? The old guidelines are yet too inflammatory towards superradiance as they are cobbled and wordsmithed. Please sit and write with a new piece of paper a new and fresh Dome application guideline now for membership in the group programs, now the pundits are gone. Start with a fresh sheet of paper.. Get it down to simple: did someone learn the ™ programs and that this is what they will do in the group programs for superradiance. This would be a good time to just go in and gut, drop the clause from the guidelines that remains excluding from membership people who spend money on ‘non-Maharishi’ jyotish and yagya. The earnest reason it was put in there originally evidently has gone away. It is time to just get rid of that clause in the membership application guideline. There is no sense now to having the office staff there investigating that one on people anymore. The pundit program ha
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
The Meissner effect results in a magnetic field being repelled in a superconducting metal. So what is being repelled with meditation? City-Data.com reports that Fairfield has more crime than 67.6% of U.S. cites and other reports indicate Fairfield rates a C+ for crime, 20% higher than the national average and 43% higher than the rest of Iowa. https://www.areavibes.com/fairfield-ia/crime/ Fairfield has the largest group of TM meditators and sidhas in the U.S. and crime is worse in proximity to this group, so clearly the program is not repelling crime, and this statistic is the one used to justify the program, so clearly the Meissner-like effect is a false analogy in relation to crime.. If anything is being repelled, it seems to be people who would like to meditate in the domes. Amenities, cost of living, and education in Fairfield seem pretty good, but it is a lousy place to look for a job, for weather, and only fair for housing. Where I live the cost of living is high, but we have much lower crime, over FOUR TIMES LOWER than Fairfield, IA and 60% lower than the national average and almost no meditators are here. I left Fairfield, IA, a couple of decades ago, and am much better for it. The demographic facts indicate the Meissner-like effect does not work. On Tuesday, October 30, 2018, 1:53:12 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nice unity sentiments, but the statistical fact as well as experience of meditators is that both proximity and numbers together meditating effectively matter to the Meissner-like spiritual effect in wellbeing on people. The science well indicates there is a significant benefit to collective meditation in society. That is what ‘we’ were more essentially about in Fairfield here as community with the facilitating that has been the Dome meditations. It is an amazing facility that has been capitalized here. If one understands the science of the experience and its implication then the metrics of the aggregate numbers meditating together offer a tragedy here in how badly it has gone with the administration of the the communal collective of the group meditation. That is the story of the reading of this long "The Dome Numbers" thread. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What we are meditating for in the end, is so there is no other, only the Self. Community is nice, but it is a more superficial view. Unity is not created by packing bodies in proximity, it can be done alone, in a cave, or anywhere if you have persistence. Packing bodies in proximity can have beneficial effects or detrimental effects (such as a mob) depending on clarity of experience. However you do it, taking care of your own experience first is foremost. If what you are doing is not working, then try something else. On Monday, October 29, 2018, 12:25:05 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What we are meditating for in the end is each Other. Sorry, I don't mean to preach here. But if you would choose to join With us in group meditation, I would be personally grateful. I think if we lose this fight, we lose The war. Help out. Come back to meditation. -Buck, in FF 12 Oct. 2010 http://invincibleamerica.org/ > > "This is a critical time and a tremendous > opportunity for all of us. We cannot afford to > fall back from what we have accomplished so far. > We need to sustain and build upon what we have > created over these past four years—and create > true and lasting invincibility for our nation and > peace for our world family." > —Raja John Hagelin >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
What we are meditating for in the end, is so there is no other, only the Self. Community is nice, but it is a more superficial view. Unity is not created by packing bodies in proximity, it can be done alone, in a cave, or anywhere if you have persistence. Packing bodies in proximity can have beneficial effects or detrimental effects (such as a mob) depending on clarity of experience. However you do it, taking care of your own experience first is foremost. If what you are doing is not working, then try something else. On Monday, October 29, 2018, 12:25:05 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What we are meditating for in the end is each Other. Sorry, I don't mean to preach here. But if you would choose to join With us in group meditation, I would be personally grateful. I think if we lose this fight, we lose The war. Help out. Come back to meditation. -Buck, in FF 12 Oct. 2010 http://invincibleamerica.org/ > > "This is a critical time and a tremendous > opportunity for all of us. We cannot afford to > fall back from what we have accomplished so far. > We need to sustain and build upon what we have > created over these past four years—and create > true and lasting invincibility for our nation and > peace for our world family." > —Raja John Hagelin >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
The reductionism in linear fashion is simply the square root of 1% which I believe is Hagelin's formula which is based on analogy with super radiance in lasers. This in turn is loosely correlated with some comment Patanjali made in the Yoga Sutras. What I think you are doing is trying to fudge the formula, which does not appear to work, so that it looks like it works. Fairfield, IA itself has a population of about 10,000. One percent is 100 and the square root of 100 is 10, so you only need 10 people or perhaps a couple of more for the local area doing superradiance. Certainly the sidhas in the area can manage that in spite of trying to make a post hoc adjustment to make it look as if the formula works. It appears the formula really does not work, or if it does, the results are not to your liking. Frankly I think Maharishi used it as a ploy to get people to keep meditating and doing more advanced programs so they would progress toward enlightenment and not slack off. When "nature supports" exactly how does that work, and who does it benefit? Just the person, or those near them, or everyone around in the area, even people who have never even heard of meditation? It seems to me nature does what it does regardless, and that we have far less influence than we think, because we do not think clearly, don't have a clue as to the results of our actions even when we think we are performing "good" actions. I am all for people performing actions that lead in the direction of enlightenment, which to me is the realization that our essential nature is consciousness and that everything is in fact consciousness. But that doesn't say a word about how that knowledge affects the environment, only that it is the knowledge that consciousness is the environment. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 7:45:39 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No, both your reductionisms are boil down in only linear fashion. The puny Dome and the fragmented Fairfield program halls (..eleven (11) program halls scattered around the County and also people off by themselves) as numbers are just too small for the dull weight they lift. The larger tragedy here is that apparatchiks of the Patterson-Morris-Maharishi era let the Dome numbers get so bad. Or that ill-disciplined good meditators like some.. abandoned their posts. Superradiance critical mass evidently happens with numbers in proximity. Numbers and their proximity is in the basic science from the beginning, like the Bible says, where gathered ..there is superradiance. That superradiance lives as a reality of spiritual practice evident in the science and by experience while the peer science is still good in principle as it is replicated. In doubt you seem trying too hard to disgrace those who are here and what is at hand in contending simple linear reductions. Quite instead, you all should be here meditating for all sorts of good reasons in life. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of attendance in domes is around 400, which ME predicts should powerfully and positively affect across a much larger region, an area of 16 million. The ME effects in FF and Iowa, one would expect from the ME theory to be extraordinary, after 30 years of constant practice in the domes of at least 400, much larger in some eras. The ME threshold is exceeded by at least a factor of 40 in FF, and a factor of 2 - 10 for Iowa over the years. Yet FF and Iowa, on a comparative basis, do not have exceptional crime reduction,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Doug, As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of attendance in domes is around 400, which ME predicts should powerfully and positively affect across a much larger region, an area of 16 million. The ME effects in FF and Iowa, one would expect from the ME theory to be extraordinary, after 30 years of constant practice in the domes of at least 400, much larger in some eras. The ME threshold is exceeded by at least a factor of 40 in FF, and a factor of 2 - 10 for Iowa over the years. Yet FF and Iowa, on a comparative basis, do not have exceptional crime reduction, or economic performance -- or any other measures that I can find. (And per the topic of this thread, CAFOs in Iowa have quadrupled since 2001, and are a growing problem negatively affecting the quality of life on many levels.) What are the effects of ME in FF and Iowa that are consistent with its predictions? And beyond lack of noticeable effects on crime and economy in FF and Iowa, are there any studies indicating ME affects climate change? I wish the challenge of climate change was as simple as having groups of ME practitioners totaling < 10,000 worldwide. However, given the above, it does not seem credible or plausible. Better perhaps, that people world-wide meditate and then act with clearer minds to transform our economies and cultures towards a thriving civilization with zero to negative (via sequestration) greenhouse gas emissions
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paradigm Shifters: Science of Climate Wreckage & Meditating
Some doubt is necessary to make intelligent decisions. Not enough, you are a sucker, and too much and you lose out. I am well aware of what spiritual practice in my life has and has not done. Clearly meditating is not going to remove CO2 from the atmosphere. But would it result in people actually working on ways to remove it and to stop current pollution? People are working on this even without meditating. Spiritual groups are prone to "magical thinking" which is just another way of saying you have impractical daydreams. Your second sentence does not make any sense in terms of resolving climate change but relates to enlightenment, making hay while the sun shines. That is working to enlightenment, which is a different activity than fixing the climate. The evidence that enlightenment will bring about desired changes is not nearly so convincing as true believers would have us think. It might be better to work on the problem from a platform of spiritual ignorance. When you are ignorant spiritually, you fear things, and if you fear climate change, then maybe motivated to do something about it. If enlightened, climate change and the human turmoil surrounding it is just the next experience in a series of seemingly unending experiences in the field of experience (consciousness) and is just what is. Because the individual is surrendered, the solution is in the hands of nature, so the question becomes what is nature going to do? Five or six times, life has been seriously compromised on Earth. Planets seem plentiful around stars, yet stars explode and destroy planets. Who you gonna call? You have control over action alone, never its fruits. That means even if you meditate, the result is not up to you. You do not even have control over your potential enlightenment, it is out of your hands. Do I have to be concerned about climate change? The devastating predictions, if true, will come after this body is dead and gone. And now we have people in government, who cannot comprehend the vast body of scientific research on climate change. How would you expect them to understand the piddling small studies about consciousness and its potential relationship with human behavior and intelligence? On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 4:08:41 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Some ‘in the mind’ intellectualizing may doubt the spiritual life for some lack of experience and may disrespect the effect of spiritual practice in life. But no, the question is not necessarily how could consciousness sequester carbon from the atmosphere given the face of the global climate change science but it quickly becomes what is someone, anyone, doing with a human lifetime while they have it as while resident in the human species for a moment while this species exists on earth? archonangel wrote : While you are proposing meditation as a solution to this, you have not specified just how meditation will result in the desired changes. A paradigm shift does not explain how that shift will induce the desired result. First, greenhouse gases will stay at current levels even if emissions are stopped, and no reasonable and practical way to remove the gases from the atmosphere has come forward. Enlightenment means that you know you, and everything else, is unbounded awareness, but that does not solve the problem. Meditation seems to have a rather poor record for producing enlightened human beings, almost everyone seems to be trucking along short of the goal. If the paradigm shift of enlightenment is so rare, how can you expect it to have an influence on climate? If you are ignorant and stupid, and you meditate, you stay ignorant and stupid for a long time even if you eventually succeed. Smart people often do not even appreciate the value of a meditation system, so those that could be the most useful in solving the problem of climate change often will not even be interested in sitting around in silence or practicing other kinds of techniques. "Maharishi Mahesh Yogi went on a world tour in 1976 in which he inaugurated on all five continents the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. Maharishi stated that the Age of Enlightenment was dependent upon nothing. He stated that it would occur whether we wanted it or didn't want it. He stated that 'Through the window of science' he could see that this was coming and that it was his privilege to be able to inaugurate its dawn in this manner." So why do we have runaway climate change? It has been almost four and a half decades since this inauguration, and the human race still seems as ignorant and stupid as ever, even more so. The paradigm shift seems to be in the wrong direction. On Wednesday, July 4, 2018, 2:53:24 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Clearly, as we are in the face now of runaway global climate change live with urgency. Jai Guru Dev, ..FW mail: ...In such a science-based and spiritual community a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paradigm Shifters: Science of Climate Wreckage & Meditating
While you are proposing meditation as a solution to this, you have not specified just how meditation will result in the desired changes. A paradigm shift does not explain how that shift will induce the desired result. First, greenhouse gases will stay at current levels even if emissions are stopped, and no reasonable and practical way to remove the gases from the atmosphere has come forward. Enlightenment means that you know you, and everything else, is unbounded awareness, but that does not solve the problem. Meditation seems to have a rather poor record for producing enlightened human beings, almost everyone seems to be trucking along short of the goal. If the paradigm shift of enlightenment is so rare, how can you expect it to have an influence on climate? If you are ignorant and stupid, and you meditate, you stay ignorant and stupid for a long time even if you eventually succeed. Smart people often do not even appreciate the value of a meditation system, so those that could be the most useful in solving the problem of climate change often will not even be interested in sitting around in silence or practicing other kinds of techniques. "Maharishi Mahesh Yogi went on a world tour in 1976 in which he inaugurated on all five continents the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. Maharishi stated that the Age of Enlightenment was dependent upon nothing. He stated that it would occur whether we wanted it or didn't want it. He stated that 'Through the window of science' he could see that this was coming and that it was his privilege to be able to inaugurate its dawn in this manner." So why do we have runaway climate change? It has been almost four and a half decades since this inauguration, and the human race still seems as ignorant and stupid as ever, even more so. The paradigm shift seems to be in the wrong direction. On Wednesday, July 4, 2018, 2:53:24 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Clearly, as we are in the face now of runaway global climate change live with urgency. Jai Guru Dev, ..FW mail: ...In such a science-based and spiritual community as ours, where we have had decades of frustrating experience in attempting to have other scientists appreciate the Paradigm changing research that was peer published in scientific journals about Transcendental Meditation and the TM Siddhi's Program, it is our hope that our professors and scientists, and community are willing and open minded enough to accept the validity of another Paradigm changing concept, that paradigm change being the imminent unstoppable near-term annihilation of the global human habitat based on copious volumes of peer-reviewed published research. Paradigm Change: Runaway Global Climate Arctic Ice Melt and the Paradigms Shift.. Interview with Conservation Biologist Dr. McPherson – Mankind Will Be Extinct in 8 Years or Less https://www.youtube.com/embed/Gh30Kx1o5lI?start=219&end=1426&version=3 FW: ..here is a brief list of a few of the brilliant scientific minds of our time who totally agree with Dr. McPherson. I am sure some of these infamous scientists hold positions of credibility in your awareness. Frank Fenner (June 2010) http://jcsmr.anu.edu.au/about- us/honour-roll/frank-fenner Malcolm Light (February 2012) Louise Leakey (July 2013) Richard Leakey (December 2013) Neil Dawes (August 2013 Sir Bob Geldorf (October 2013) Sam Carana (November 2013) John Feffer (April 2014) Noam Chomsky (June 2014) Larry Schwartz (July 2014) Ken Rose (July 2014) Jennifer Hynes (August 2014) Also Paul Beckwith - Professor in climatology; working on Ph.D. in abrupt climate change (Department of Geography; Laboratory for Paleoclimatology and Climatology) at University of Ottawa, Ontario. Biologist Paul R. Ehrlich - Professor of Population Studies of the Department of Biology of Stanford University and president of Stanford's Center for Conservation Biology Reply email: Governors and Sidhas who are not taking Super Radiance meditation as important because most of them have been ostracized and disillusioned by the movement. And many of those who haven’t are not looking terribly healthy or sane. With the Dome meditation attendance having fallen to be so low there is a serious questioning about the endurance of the Dome group meditation in Fairfield. This Wedsnesday meeting becomes an important way post in the journey of the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa. Subject. Communal Meeting this Weds. Phoenix Rising Hall (Burlington and 3rd). 7:30 PM, Maharishi Effect: Fact or Fiction? David Orme-Johnson, PhD, a leading long-time scientific researcher in the Maharishi Effect, invites you. FW email: I don't feel climate change is (necessarily) scary. It can be sufficiently controlled mainly (not only) by higher Super-Radiance (SR) attendance. My concern has to do with Movement Governors and Sidhas who are not taking SR as importan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paradigm Shifters: Science of Climate Wreckage & Meditating
SR has not even kept the Fairfield community together. As for climate change, a look at the graphs shows no effect from SR from 1975 to today. It is a forlorn hope that SR can affect climate change. What you are saying has not been established scientifically except for a small core of true believers whose beliefs would not change even if presented with substantial contrary evidence. If there is real evidence eventually that would win out. The mechanism of SR has not been demonstrated to the satisfaction of scientists who are not true believers. The scientific framework for making it comprehensible to them has not been constructed. It seems to me at the moment that the TM movement is refocusing on getting new meditators because the SR communities are aging and diminishing. The glory days when Maharishi was alive are gone. It is consolidating. There seems to be an effect when people meditate or do other programs related to consciousness are together, but what is it? How does it work? Movement explanations are not adequate and skip over multiple alternative possibilities to explain it. If the effect exists and affects the physical world, there should be a way to measure it directly (an SR meter?) beyond statistically dubious social research. On Monday, June 18, 2018, 12:34:20 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: FW email: I don't feel climate change is (necessarily) scary. It can be sufficiently controlled mainly (not only) by higher Super-Radiance (SR) attendance. My concern has to do with Movement Governors and Sidhas who are not taking SR as important as it is, not prioritizing it as much as they could. There is more power in SR than in the people doing the climate change, gmo, vaccinations, pharmaceuticals, and electromag, etc. Takes a lot of integration to see through. Archer Anangel wrote : Yes there is some good science in meditation research, but seemingly there is not much. Perhaps 1% of the studies meet the gold standard. So out of 700 studies you have seven that are really decent. As the quality of the journal published in goes down, so does the quality of peer review. There are top-level scientists, mid-level scientists, and incompetent scientists. So peer review is a check on quality only if you have good quality reviewers and statisticians to check the math. Really bad quality journals are pay for play, and you can get published even if the study is highly flawed, and the paper may not get any peer review. Meditation studies are a niche market within the field of consciousness studies, and are typically associated with various religious-based movements which are not the best mental platforms on which to implement impartial research. Because most of the meditation research is bad, the baby is getting thrown out with the bath water. Climate science is much more advanced and there is wide consensus that climate change is a serious problem if you ignore politicians and political views. Science on meditation is far behind in getting the kind of consensus we have with climate change. It is the result of a bad approach, using science for marketing rather than knowledge. Promoting bad science in the name of meditation is like offering rotten vegetables in the market. If we like meditation and it benefits us, that does not give us the ability to evaluate the science. Subjective experience and emotion and the results of scientific experiments are often at odds. The best we can say now is meditation looks promising but more research is needed. It is when non-meditating scientists in droves come into the consensual fold that meditation is good for something, then is the point when the case can be made. This is not cynicism, this is the state of affairs. Meditation is great. It is for self-realization. If you are doing meditation for some other reason, you are already halfway to failure. Blame it on Western culture which does not have a good social underpinning for this kind of practice. On Sunday, June 17, 2018, 10:06:32 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually there is some lot of good science in it, meditation. Peer review. What? Like the global climate science, what, 'all the science is no good because some of the science is no good'? That is what the cynicism offers. That one title said that way in that journal is certainly evil,’Throw it all out because some is bad, poorly done’. This and someone saying it sounds so rational and intellectual except, like tossing in a Trumpism, the underlying assertion is simply not entirely true, a fake news headline in itself. Archer Angel writes, It is great that there is an attempt to do research on TM, but TM and other forms of meditation has a very poor record as far as quality scientific papers, as this summary in Scientific American indicates.Meditation is essentially for self-realization/enlightenment. Promoting it for heath and s
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paradigm Shifters: Science of Climate Wreckage & Meditating
Yes there is some good science in meditation research, but seemingly there is not much. Perhaps 1% of the studies meet the gold standard. So out of 700 studies you have seven that are really decent. As the quality of the journal published in goes down, so does the quality of peer review. There are top-level scientists, mid-level scientists, and incompetent scientists. So peer review is a check on quality only if you have good quality reviewers and statisticians to check the math. Really bad quality journals are pay for play, and you can get published even if the study is highly flawed, and the paper may not get any peer review. Meditation studies are a niche market within the field of consciousness studies, and are typically associated with various religious-based movements which are not the best mental platforms on which to implement impartial research. Because most of the meditation research is bad, the baby is getting thrown out with the bath water. Climate science is much more advanced and there is wide consensus that climate change is a serious problem if you ignore politicians and political views. Science on meditation is far behind in getting the kind of consensus we have with climate change. It is the result of a bad approach, using science for marketing rather than knowledge. Promoting bad science in the name of meditation is like offering rotten vegetables in the market. If we like meditation and it benefits us, that does not give us the ability to evaluate the science. Subjective experience and emotion and the results of scientific experiments are often at odds. The best we can say now is meditation looks promising but more research is needed. It is when non-meditating scientists in droves come into the consensual fold that meditation is good for something, then is the point when the case can be made. This is not cynicism, this is the state of affairs. Meditation is great. It is for self-realization. If you are doing meditation for some other reason, you are already halfway to failure. Blame it on Western culture which does not have a good social underpinning for this kind of practice. On Sunday, June 17, 2018, 10:06:32 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually there is some lot of good science in it, meditation. Peer review. What? Like the global climate science, what, 'all the science is no good because some of the science is no good'? That is what the cynicism offers. That one title said that way in that journal is certainly evil,’Throw it all out because some is bad, poorly done’. This and someone saying it sounds so rational and intellectual except, like tossing in a Trumpism, the underlying assertion is simply not entirely true, a fake news headline in itself. Archer Angel writes, It is great that there is an attempt to do research on TM, but TM and other forms of meditation has a very poor record as far as quality scientific papers, as this summary in Scientific American indicates.Meditation is essentially for self-realization/enlightenment. Promoting it for heath and societal effects so far has not set the scientific world on fire. It does seem to impress people who know little about the nature of scientific research and who seem unable to grasp the difference between a scientific study and what they want to believe. I think people benefit from meditation, but it is still not clear scientifically what it does. Research on TM and Other Forms of Meditation Stinks | | | | | | | | | | | Research on TM and Other Forms of Meditation Stinks John Horgan | | | Paste: Compelling and Activating, the evident science research comes now also as Clarion call in life policy to meditators to come together in meditation practice of transcendence in groups and change the catastrophic future of mankind into Heaven on Earth. Everyday matters. A: It is a fair descriptor, exponential. Graphs of so many of the variables within the long differential equation of rapid climate change show exponential growth, not just some linear changes since the 1870 baseline of the industrial age.. Coal burning, oil burning for internal combustion power, introduction of exotic greenhouse gases, melt off of polar ice caps, chopping down rainforests for palm oil production, These are exponential peer review variable in a long equation that some would want to wait on more and do nothing..(claiming untested assumptions?) for more research? The person writing email also makes a good human observation in expression about the limited capacity of some folks to think their denial and inaction about this complex compounded problem in only linear ways.. I feel the conservation biologists are doing a good job of having a rational conversation about this now in heightening awareness of something very complex that evidently can overwhelm a lot of people’s thinking. Archer Angel asks: Q: What is "ex
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paradigm Shifters: Science of Climate Wreckage & Meditating
It is great that there is an attempt to do research on TM, but TM and other forms of meditation has a very poor record as far as quality scientific papers, as this summary in Scientific American indicates. Meditation is essentially for self-realization/enlightenment. Promoting it for heath and societal effects so far has not set the scientific world on fire. It does seem to impress people who know little about the nature of scientific research and who seem unable to grasp the difference between a scientific study and what they want to believe. I think people benefit from meditation, but it is still not clear scientifically what it does. Research on TM and Other Forms of Meditation Stinks | | | | | | | | | | | Research on TM and Other Forms of Meditation Stinks John Horgan | | | On Saturday, June 16, 2018, 8:21:24 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Paste: Compelling and Activating, the evident science research comes now also as Clarion call in life policy to meditators to come together in meditation practice of transcendence in groups and change the catastrophic future of mankind into Heaven on Earth. Everyday matters. A: It is a fair descriptor, exponential. Graphs of so many of the variables within the long differential equation of rapid climate change show exponential growth, not just some linear changes since the 1870 baseline of the industrial age.. Coal burning, oil burning for internal combustion power, introduction of exotic greenhouse gases, melt off of polar ice caps, chopping down rainforests for palm oil production, These are exponential peer review variable in a long equation that some would want to wait on more and do nothing..(claiming untested assumptions?) for more research? The person writing email also makes a good human observation in expression about the limited capacity of some folks to think their denial and inaction about this complex compounded problem in only linear ways.. I feel the conservation biologists are doing a good job of having a rational conversation about this now in heightening awareness of something very complex that evidently can overwhelm a lot of people’s thinking. Archer Angel asks: Q: What is "exponential science"? I have never heard of it. Mail: I have yet to find any scientist who understands exponential science, and who has an expanded consciousness capable of comprehending holistic events provide valid peer-reviewed scientific arguments contrary to McPherson's observations. email: ..members of Mother Divine and to Members of Purusha and every person who was close to Maharishi (MMY) confided in us that foretold that the impending phase-transition from Kali-Yuga into full blown Sat-Yuga would occur between 2020 and 2025 at which time MMY said that chaos would reign in the streets of the world like a living nightmare too horrible to describe. Oddly enough, MMY's predictions seem to coincide in time-space with Dr. McPherson's which in my mind provides a valence of creedence to McPherson's predicted time-frame. reply email: Good luck to any serious, rational, science-based person trying to debunk the science now! There are more peer-reviewed journal hot links than one could click on and read through in a week! P.S. The 69 Self-Reinforcing Climate Feedback Loops all with hot links start about half-way down the essay. https://guymcpherson.com/climate-chaos/climate-change-summary-and-update/ wrote : Maharishi would host/promote symposia to consider matters. Inviting speakers and papers. Conversation. Consideration. Radical Change is happening Now: Rapid Climate Change This needs wider platform for consideration.Think of the papers that could be given, the titles..A Conference program, published.. Presentations, Presenters... Radical Transcendentalism, Phenomenology and Rapid Climate Change. Iowa Farming and Carbon sequestration Greenhouse Agriculture in a Hot House Public Policy and Transportation Earth Science Architecture and Global Warming. Designing for a warmer future. Civil Order in a Changing World. Global Economies and Meteorology, Changes in Iowa etc., ..a same kind of anti-science discredit they try to pull on meditation research. .. FW: emails: reply: Yes, we know that the majority of scientists disagree with Dr. McPherson. This does not surprise us since we know that precious few if any scientists ever accepted Maharishi's scientific work yet we all know the validity of that body of evidence. I encourage you to do some personal research by peer reviewed published scientific research before you accept the unsubstantiated conclusions of others less informed and certainly less validated in their opinions . It is one thing to disagree with Dr. McPherson's hypothesis it is quite another to refute the peer reviewed and published scientific papers underlying his position. "Three years to safeguard our cli
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paradigm Shifters: Science of Climate Wreckage & Meditating
The Permian-Triassic extinction event was rather unusual. The Siberian Traps released a lot of volcanic gas into the air, and there may have been a meteorite event, both of these may have resulted in subsequent fires, but huge amounts of greenhouse gases went into the atmosphere. This is a lot more severe than the current industrial greenhouse gas event we are responsible for. The temperatures rose approximately 10 degrees Celsius (18 degrees F.) as the best current estimate of what happened 242 million years ago. Estimates of our current problem result in temperature changes of 1/4 to 1/2 of the Permian-Triassic event depending on how aggressively we control our emissions. This would presumably happen between 2075 and 2100. Both the ancient scenario and our current situation is based on many untested assumptions. National Climate Assessment | | | | | | | | | | | National Climate Assessment The National Climate Assessment summarizes the impacts of climate change on the United States, now and in the fu... | | | What is "exponential science"? I have never heard of it. On Saturday, June 16, 2018, 1:45:24 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Mail: I have yet to find any scientist who understands exponential science, and who has an expanded consciousness capable of comprehending holistic events provide valid peer-reviewed scientific arguments contrary to McPherson's observations. email: ..members of Mother Divine and to Members of Purusha and every person who was close to Maharishi (MMY) confided in us that foretold that the impending phase-transition from Kali-Yuga into full blown Sat-Yuga would occur between 2020 and 2025 at which time MMY said that chaos would reign in the streets of the world like a living nightmare too horrible to describe. Oddly enough, MMY's predictions seem to coincide in time-space with Dr. McPherson's which in my mind provides a valence of creedence to McPherson's predicted time-frame. reply email: Good luck to any serious, rational, science-based person trying to debunk the science now! There are more peer-reviewed journal hot links than one could click on and read through in a week! P.S. The 69 Self-Reinforcing Climate Feedback Loops all with hot links start about half-way down the essay. https://guymcpherson.com/climate-chaos/climate-change-summary-and-update/ wrote : Maharishi would host/promote symposia to consider matters. Inviting speakers and papers. Conversation. Consideration. Radical Change is happening Now: Rapid Climate Change This needs wider platform for consideration.Think of the papers that could be given, the titles..A Conference program, published.. Presentations, Presenters... Radical Transcendentalism, Phenomenology and Rapid Climate Change. Iowa Farming and Carbon sequestration Greenhouse Agriculture in a Hot House Public Policy and Transportation Earth Science Architecture and Global Warming. Designing for a warmer future. Civil Order in a Changing World. Global Economies and Meteorology, Changes in Iowa etc., ..a same kind of anti-science discredit they try to pull on meditation research. .. FW: emails: reply: Yes, we know that the majority of scientists disagree with Dr. McPherson. This does not surprise us since we know that precious few if any scientists ever accepted Maharishi's scientific work yet we all know the validity of that body of evidence. I encourage you to do some personal research by peer reviewed published scientific research before you accept the unsubstantiated conclusions of others less informed and certainly less validated in their opinions . It is one thing to disagree with Dr. McPherson's hypothesis it is quite another to refute the peer reviewed and published scientific papers underlying his position. "Three years to safeguard our climate" http://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/research-news/2017-07-02-three-years-to-safeguard-our-climate.html "..all in one summary essay on conservation biologist Dr. Guy McPherson's website, including links for 69 individual runaway feedback loops. This is the Clarion call for transcendence meditators to come together in groups and change the catastrophic future of mankind into Heaven on Earth. Everyday matters. https://guymcpherson.com/ climate-chaos/climate-change- summary-and-update/ P.S. The 69 Self-Reinforcing Feedback Loops all with hot links to the peer review research start about half-way down the essay." FW: Paradigm Change..the last week in May atmospheric scientists at: http://www.copernicus.eu/ reported a huge albeit temporary spike in Methane gas release in the northern hemisphere. This indicated to us that we may not even have 1-3 years before the 'preverbal SHIT hits the fan' as Dr. McPherson so aptly referred to what is about to unfold. FW email: "..Finally we must inspire and motivate those present that collective consciousness can and must alte
Re: [FairfieldLife] Time Travel and Warp drives may be possible
If an electron can be observed as a wave or a particle, why does that mean the universe is not objective? The difference shows during different measurements at different times. Water can be liquid or solid at different times, but that does not mean it is not objective. Campbell's ideas have not been well received by other physicists. A lot of people watch his videos, but unless his ideas are accepted on a wider scale in his own discipline, he will remain on the fringe as having interesting but unconfirmed ideas. Because lay people really don't understand physics, having a large following of people who cannot evaluate what is being said is not confirmation on the truth of what is said. That does not mean we should not listen to his ideas. On Monday, May 28, 2018, 4:58:15 AM GMT, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Archonangel, Here's a video interview of Tom Campbell explaining the double slit experiment showing the electron as a wave or a particle. By extension, the experiment shows that our universe is not an objective reality since the results show the electron can be a wave or a particle. If the electron path is measured at the slits, the electron will show as a particle. If the electron is not measured, the electron will show on the screen as a defraction pattern, meaning it is a wave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hzSjnPikIU For more explanation, please watch his other presentations in a seminar setting at the various locations, such as Spokane, WA or in Spain. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Archonangel, You should watch Tom Campbell's seminars on YouTube. In them, he explains clearly that the universe is not based on matter, but rather on information, which leads us to conclude that the universe is a simulation or virtual reality, like a computer game in a giant cosmic computer and shown before our own eyes, and we are participants of this virtual reality. Campbell also mentions the erasure experiment which clearly shows that the universe data can be erased and we can experience the results with awe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Physics is all about matter, quantum fields, gravitational fields are all matter. In physics, a field is a physical quantity, represented by a number or tensor, that has a value for each point in space and time. (Wikipedia)Consciousness does not yet have a definition in physics or in science in general; while we know we are conscious, this factor does not yet appear in physics. Science has no agreed upon definition of what consciousness is. All we know is there are physical correlates in the brain to our experience. Some physicists believe consciousness may be something different from matter, while others think consciousness is physical, but these are beliefs based largely on speculation because the answer is not known. For one thing, if consciousness is not physical then it lies outside what physics can experiment upon, and thus it cannot be shown that the physical world is based on it. Getting physics information from youtube.com videos is fraught with unverified speculations. All this comes about by indiscriminately mixing physics and spiritual ideas.. On Saturday, May 26, 2018, 3:48:50 PM GMT, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Brumah, Physics experiments by researchers in academia have shown that the world is not based on matter, but is based on information or consciousness. A good example is the results in the double-slit experiment. As such, there may be some protocols in the future that can make these "fantasies" real. The ancient Vedic texts have mentioned rishis like Narada to travel to "other worlds" just by mantra alone. I believe that's what MMY was trying to do with the siddhis and the flying sutra. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Delusional infantile fantasy would be a more apt and accurate take on this childish nonsense, i.e., as far as "time travel" is concerned. Science fiction fueled by science fantasy; the contemporary world is awash with this type of nonsense. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On May 24, 2018 5:07 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Given the new scientific paradigms that are being set by scientists like Tom Campbell and researchers in academia, we're finding out that the universe is a simulation and is a virtual reality like a computer game in a cosmic computer. In essence, everything is based on information, like 0's and 1's in a computer program. When the next genius, like Einstein, comes around he or she may find a way to program Nature to travel in time or travel in warp speeds. From what I'm foreseeing, objective science and materialism are not the key to understand Nature and the universe. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/6a667085-b566-3296-8b08-872403f798d9/ss_the-us-military-released-a.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Time Travel and Warp drives may be possible
A single person explaining something does not mean it is correct. Information is a pattern in matter and as matter is equivalent to energy (Einstein), it is also a pattern in energy. On a printed page, or as electrons in a computer, information exists in the form of matter. There is the reality of the senses, and there is the reality fashioned by the mind, which is a virtual reality in the form of thoughts. If the reality of the universe is it is based on information, then this contradicts the Vedic view (and other spiritual system views) that the universe is based on consciousness. Pure consciousness has no qualities, it is completely simple and so contains no information. Perhaps it is there as potential. Information occurs when complete simplicity is subdivided. How this happens is unknown. Vedic sources call it Maya. The idea here is if Maya can be lifted, the actual reality can be experienced and the virtual reality in the mind is canceled. The mistake of the intellect is removed. There is always a paradox when everything is brought together because the mind cannot think except in terms of differences. But it is possible to experience beyond this aspect of mind. On Monday, May 28, 2018, 2:51:20 AM GMT, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Archonangel, You should watch Tom Campbell's seminars on YouTube. In them, he explains clearly that the universe is not based on matter, but rather on information, which leads us to conclude that the universe is a simulation or virtual reality, like a computer game in a giant cosmic computer and shown before our own eyes, and we are participants of this virtual reality. Campbell also mentions the erasure experiment which clearly shows that the universe data can be erased and we can experience the results with awe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Physics is all about matter, quantum fields, gravitational fields are all matter. In physics, a field is a physical quantity, represented by a number or tensor, that has a value for each point in space and time. (Wikipedia)Consciousness does not yet have a definition in physics or in science in general; while we know we are conscious, this factor does not yet appear in physics. Science has no agreed upon definition of what consciousness is. All we know is there are physical correlates in the brain to our experience. Some physicists believe consciousness may be something different from matter, while others think consciousness is physical, but these are beliefs based largely on speculation because the answer is not known. For one thing, if consciousness is not physical then it lies outside what physics can experiment upon, and thus it cannot be shown that the physical world is based on it. Getting physics information from youtube.com videos is fraught with unverified speculations. All this comes about by indiscriminately mixing physics and spiritual ideas.. On Saturday, May 26, 2018, 3:48:50 PM GMT, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Brumah, Physics experiments by researchers in academia have shown that the world is not based on matter, but is based on information or consciousness. A good example is the results in the double-slit experiment. As such, there may be some protocols in the future that can make these "fantasies" real. The ancient Vedic texts have mentioned rishis like Narada to travel to "other worlds" just by mantra alone. I believe that's what MMY was trying to do with the siddhis and the flying sutra. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Delusional infantile fantasy would be a more apt and accurate take on this childish nonsense, i.e., as far as "time travel" is concerned. Science fiction fueled by science fantasy; the contemporary world is awash with this type of nonsense. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On May 24, 2018 5:07 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Given the new scientific paradigms that are being set by scientists like Tom Campbell and researchers in academia, we're finding out that the universe is a simulation and is a virtual reality like a computer game in a cosmic computer. In essence, everything is based on information, like 0's and 1's in a computer program. When the next genius, like Einstein, comes around he or she may find a way to program Nature to travel in time or travel in warp speeds. From what I'm foreseeing, objective science and materialism are not the key to understand Nature and the universe. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/6a667085-b566-3296-8b08-872403f798d9/ss_the-us-military-released-a.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Time Travel and Warp drives may be possible
Physics is all about matter, quantum fields, gravitational fields are all matter. In physics, a field is a physical quantity, represented by a number or tensor, that has a value for each point in space and time. (Wikipedia)Consciousness does not yet have a definition in physics or in science in general; while we know we are conscious, this factor does not yet appear in physics. Science has no agreed upon definition of what consciousness is. All we know is there are physical correlates in the brain to our experience. Some physicists believe consciousness may be something different from matter, while others think consciousness is physical, but these are beliefs based largely on speculation because the answer is not known. For one thing, if consciousness is not physical then it lies outside what physics can experiment upon, and thus it cannot be shown that the physical world is based on it. Getting physics information from youtube.com videos is fraught with unverified speculations. All this comes about by indiscriminately mixing physics and spiritual ideas.. On Saturday, May 26, 2018, 3:48:50 PM GMT, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Brumah, Physics experiments by researchers in academia have shown that the world is not based on matter, but is based on information or consciousness. A good example is the results in the double-slit experiment. As such, there may be some protocols in the future that can make these "fantasies" real. The ancient Vedic texts have mentioned rishis like Narada to travel to "other worlds" just by mantra alone. I believe that's what MMY was trying to do with the siddhis and the flying sutra. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Delusional infantile fantasy would be a more apt and accurate take on this childish nonsense, i.e., as far as "time travel" is concerned. Science fiction fueled by science fantasy; the contemporary world is awash with this type of nonsense. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On May 24, 2018 5:07 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Given the new scientific paradigms that are being set by scientists like Tom Campbell and researchers in academia, we're finding out that the universe is a simulation and is a virtual reality like a computer game in a cosmic computer. In essence, everything is based on information, like 0's and 1's in a computer program. When the next genius, like Einstein, comes around he or she may find a way to program Nature to travel in time or travel in warp speeds. From what I'm foreseeing, objective science and materialism are not the key to understand Nature and the universe. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/6a667085-b566-3296-8b08-872403f798d9/ss_the-us-military-released-a.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where are the ETs in the universe?
On Sunday, April 22, 2018, 8:22:36 PM GMT, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Based on the Drake equation, there should be millions of civilizations in the universe that are intelligent to communicate with others in their light sphere. Why don't we notice any of them? It may be possible that they're more advanced in their evolution to understand the meaning of existence and the unity of life everywhere. It is very difficult to draw realistic conclusions from the conjectures of the Drake formula. Some research in the survivability of species indicates a species's lifetime is only about a million years, and the maximum density of a species might last slightly less than half of that. Other estimates are the likelihood of intelligent life on a planet in the 'habitable zone' is about 1 in 60 billion. Adding to that how many species develop communication and send signals into space is another problem difficult to define. The ability to detect signals declines four times with a doubling of the distance from us, and background noise at the same frequencies increasingly interferes with detection as the signal strength declines. So, if we listen in for their signals, they may not have yet evolved as you say, or have gone extinct, or simply never appeared in the first place, and if they did, did they develop communication technology, and finally, are they too far away. It may be possible that they understand their own individual self is part of the Self or Being that comprise the entire existence in the world. On the other hand, there may be species out there, which have not yet evolved to develop science and technology. In the Srimad Bhagavatam, it is written that Narada, a rishi, was able to traverse the universe to teach others of the Vedic knowledge. So, if this is true, then there are other civilizations which have learned the wisdom from Narada and his disciples. If so, they may have learned that the Bliss is everywhere in the universe and may have already understood us in their consciousness even before we met them. The stories in spiritual tomes are often fantastic and metaphorical, and it is often impossible to determine if they actually happened. One of the interesting question would be how would a non-human conscious being with intelligence experience the world and understand the connexions? Even among us humans, we have dreamed up multiple scenarios for the nature of reality that seem largely incompatible with each other from life being horrendous suffering to unlimited bliss. Take the idea of pure consciousness.. Described as having no qualities, it could not therefore be bliss. Knowing bliss and being able to differentiate it from suffering would require something more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBVUdEQXvmc
Re: [FairfieldLife] Transcendentalist power! Now!
On Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:42:05 AM GMT, he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Re Handel: when he composed Messiah, I believe he'd been living in London, England next to nothing short of 30 yrs? YES But he premiered the piece in Dublin. Later on there were London performances. Depending on what singers were available he rewrote songs, so there are multiple versions of Messiah. There is one that is for male voices only (in 1751), probably performed in a church. "By 1741, when he composed “Messiah”, Italian opera was out of favour and his fortunes were on the wane. An old friend, the musician Matthew Dubourg, arranged for him to be invited to Dublin by three charitable societies, for a series of six concerts." "Handel arrived in November 1741 and took rooms at 26 Lower Abbey Street. He gathered an orchestra and chorus, mainly from the city’s two cathedrals and worked with them on “Messiah”. Public rehearsals generated great interest: the notice for the first performance urged ladies not to wear hoops and gentlemen to “come without their swords” to save space. With Handel both conducting and playing an organ, the Dublin audience expressed its 'exquisite delight'."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Transcendentalist power! Now!
Handel's Messiah was originally performed in Dublin, Ireland around Easter time. It was designed as a concert piece. Many back then objected to it being sung by theater people. Somehow the work has become associated more with Christmas than Easter. As for singing, "The Lord" is two syllables and "The Transcendent" is four, so it would not fit the music Handel wrote, and despite his strong German accent, he normally knew precisely how to render English words musically. There is a spot in one of the songs however where he did put an unusual accent on the word incorruptible, putting the accent on the "ti" which most conductors try to fix. Are you in God consciousness or something? You seem to put a lot of stress on religiously oriented values here. >From what I can tell, this group originally had a rather wide range of views >from atheism to strong believers in Maharishi's offerings. On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 1:21:37 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Good point. ‘Transcendent’ peace would work. This last week we had a sing-along of Handel's Messiah in Fairfield and I sat there singing through the libretto wondering how it sings as a Transcendentalist might sing it. The paraphrase pops a meaning out right away in to a more contemporary ‘spiritual but-not religious’ vernacular. Start right from the beginning substituting ‘Transcendent’ for ‘The Lord’. It works in meaning very well. A lot of times ‘The Lord’ is sung inside tied notes where ‘the Transcendent’ substituted works fine in high lighting a deeper meaning. Substituting in paraphrase.. How beautiful are they who preach The Transcendent peace, and bring glad tidings of good things. It puts a whole 'nother level of meaning and also a sympathetic context of those teachers of Transcendentalism, like TM initiators or to mystics who come seemingly as avatars. Though whole sections of the original libretto wander through some other theology otherwise the switch makes for a good spiritual reading/ sing through of The Messiah. # ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Transcendence of peace" means to go beyond peace, I am not sure that is what you meant. It would mean peace is bypassed. The might mean the absence of peace or it could mean something beyond peace and non-peace, but not peace itself. It could also mean one transcends non-peace, and somehow gains peace, but the word order is ambiguous as removing non-peace might be neither peace nor its opposite. Until enlightenment, expressed as "The Transcendent," this terminology considers this goal as an object even though it is the subjective value of experience and not an object of experience, it is the value that contains the objects of experience and illuminates them (if you think of it dualistically). Transcendence is more like a verb than a noun. It implies passage rather than arrival. You pass beyond ignorance, but the removal of ignorance does not mean you are in a different place -- you are in the same place, but not quite so half-witted, seeing things clearly for once. Transcendence as a concept is a stand-in word for the process of renewal and repair. The destination is always where you are and this never changes. Using transcendent as a noun implies one is at the bottom of the spiritual ladder, hopefully looking up to supposedly a better life. If still hoping for this, the point of it all is missed once again. Difficult it is to get out of this mental straight jacket. Religion tries to maintain the straight jacket, while spirituality tries to break the mould so the nature of freedom and captivity become clear. If you consider it from a unified perspective, differences pale, it cannot be thought because there is no subject or object, even if you were standing in the midst of a thunderstorm and being pummeled by hail, deafened by thunder and blinded by lightning. And remember pride is the inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority. "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." You want to transcend ignorance but pride is an unfortunate by-product of ignorance. It is a crutch and shows lack of courage, lack of self reliance, a mask of puffed up self image. On Monday, December 18, 2017, 11:28:40 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: | How beautiful are they who preach the Transcendence of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things. | | | Their sound is gone out into all lands, and their words unto the ends of the world. | | Why do the nations so furiously rage together, and why do the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel together against the Unified Field Transcendent, and against it's anointed. Let us break their bonds asunder, and cast away their yokes from us. Friends;Transcendentalist pride, evidently in the long course of hum
Re: [FairfieldLife] Transcendentalist power! Now!
"Transcendence of peace" means to go beyond peace, I am not sure that is what you meant. It would mean peace is bypassed. The might mean the absence of peace or it could mean something beyond peace and non-peace, but not peace itself. It could also mean one transcends non-peace, and somehow gains peace, but the word order is ambiguous as removing non-peace might be neither peace nor its opposite. Until enlightenment, expressed as "The Transcendent," this terminology considers this goal as an object even though it is the subjective value of experience and not an object of experience, it is the value that contains the objects of experience and illuminates them (if you think of it dualistically). Transcendence is more like a verb than a noun. It implies passage rather than arrival. You pass beyond ignorance, but the removal of ignorance does not mean you are in a different place -- you are in the same place, but not quite so half-witted, seeing things clearly for once. Transcendence as a concept is a stand-in word for the process of renewal and repair. The destination is always where you are and this never changes. Using transcendent as a noun implies one is at the bottom of the spiritual ladder, hopefully looking up to supposedly a better life. If still hoping for this, the point of it all is missed once again. Difficult it is to get out of this mental straight jacket. Religion tries to maintain the straight jacket, while spirituality tries to break the mould so the nature of freedom and captivity become clear. If you consider it from a unified perspective, differences pale, it cannot be thought because there is no subject or object, even if you were standing in the midst of a thunderstorm and being pummeled by hail, deafened by thunder and blinded by lightning. And remember pride is the inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority. "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." You want to transcend ignorance but pride is an unfortunate by-product of ignorance. It is a crutch and shows lack of courage, lack of self reliance, a mask of puffed up self image. On Monday, December 18, 2017, 11:28:40 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: | How beautiful are they who preach the Transcendence of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things. | | | Their sound is gone out into all lands, and their words unto the ends of the world. | | Why do the nations so furiously rage together, and why do the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel together against the Unified Field Transcendent, and against it's anointed. Let us break their bonds asunder, and cast away their yokes from us. Friends;Transcendentalist pride, evidently in the long course of humanevents this is really important to humanity. Transcendental-ism.Certainly if only by our life experience as Transcendental-ists weshould all correctly and fairly feel strongly and rightfully so inthe -ism of Transcendentalism. With pride. It is time to sit up, tostraighten the back and hold our heads high in public discourse andtake back Transcendentalism from the fictions of utopia and thematerialism of ignorance. It is time for transcendentalists to takeback transcendentalism from those who would trammel on our sacred andunified field of transcendentalism. It is time. It is time tomeditate and then affect, unified and in field effect. N-squared!N-squared is the cosmic cry of these times. It is time fortranscendentalists to come up, close ranks and meditate once againtogether. The science tells us and our experience shows us. Stayclose. Proximity and numbers matter in this fight. I would begrateful to any who would join us in this. -Buck # Now,Om, Om, Om! The Pride of my Transcendentalism. In changing the publicdiscourse around the word Transcendentalism I should count progressin the war with some people here who are against Transcendentalismwhen we can have some of these real negativists come to ontologicallychange their own thinking and feelings about Transcendentalism and Beable to claim themselves as, Transcendentalists once again. Theworld should be much a better place and safer for with less hate forthe word, Transcendentalism and our own people as Transcendentaliststhen. We will never stop fighting until the nature of theanti-Transcendental negativistic thinking here is changed. “All weare saying is give Peace a chance” as so obviouslyTranscendentalism is the answer inside of everything in nature.Finding that 'change' begins within for everyone, even the FFLneganauts here, it is time to change some wrong thinking around theword, Transcendentalism and take it back for the pride of theTranscendentalist in everyone of us. -Buckin the Dome In reclaimingTranscendentalism now, for a moment do feel in to the -ist and -ismetymology with JossWhedo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is advaita-vedaanta falsifiable?
I suppose that would be correct, the Higgs field and its mathematics is the hypothesis that is given to explain the observed phenomena. A field in physics is defined as a region in which each point in space-time is affected by a force. When we observe the universe, it would seem everything is all part of one thing, that there is really just one field, but so far, no one has produced a provable mathematical representation of such a field. We have all these separate fields which we have come up with in our minds, but do they really exist, or are they like the lines we draw between the stars to create a constellation, as matter of convenience? We have quantum mechanics and relativity, but they are separate. And we have consciousness, and scientifically cannot figure out how that fits in either, the TM movement's attempts to snowball it all together notwithstanding. "How does it all fit?" is a great game. Drives science, the seeking of enlightenment, religion. We do not have a workable definition of consciousness for science. There is usual definition, "the state or quality of awareness, or, of being aware of an external object or something within oneself," which is subjective, or is surmised on the basis of behavior, but it does not give a clue to its intrinsic character as a measurable quantity. On Friday, December 15, 2017, 10:47:06 AM GMT, he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The correlates of consciousness seem to show, and can be measured, but they do not actually show that consciousness exists, --FWIW, that seems to apply also to, say, Higgs field, doesn't it?? The collision of protons, or whatever, createsrare(?) elementary particles that are predicted to be associated(?) with Higgs field??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is advaita-vedaanta falsifiable?
"Enlightenment" is basically tautological as knowledge/experience. It is basically "true" but that truth is trivial. It is like saying a dog is a dog.. To quote Nisargadatta, "There is no such thing as enlightenment, and the full appreciation of this is, in fact, enlightenment." There is a realization, but that realization contains no new information, only what previously has existed. A mistake in the mind is corrected but does not reveal anything that was expected because the mistake was just misperception of reality. When the mistake goes, nothing is changed, thus there is nothing to prove other than one had been an idiot, and your friends probably knew that all along. Consciousness results in experience, but it does not show outside of your own mind. It does not exist as an objective substance, and thus cannot be detected. The correlates of consciousness seem to show, and can be measured, but they do not actually show that consciousness exists, only that certain factors correlate with what a person says is his/her conscious experience. Pure consciousness described as having no qualities makes it somewhat a difficult target. To say we experience pure consciousness is probably wrong because it implies two consciousnesses. Perhaps it is better to say it experiences us. It would appear to be auto-informative of its own nature, but that does not provide a hook for investigation because there are no qualities to investigate objectively. On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 12:53:50 AM GMT, yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The answer is NO. Pure Consciousness can't be discovered through the tools of modern science. There's no objective proof for Pure Consciousnesws and no proof for It's 'non-existence. If it's falsifiable, lets see the research paper (outside of the TM Org). PC can only be experienced for one''self. LThe fact that you experience IT is insufficient evidence for IT's existence. Similarly, lots of people experience visions of Jesus. So what? Again, not falsifiable.
Re: [FairfieldLife] "Elders in Transition" moving...sale this weekend!
There is a term called ideological immunity, and some sociologists think this is a factor in what holds communities together. Fairfield, Iowa, the meditator part, is basically based on a set of ideas. Ideological immunity means the ideas that help a community cohere are resistant to change in that population. If Fairfield were isolated from the rest of the world, this might work. But Fairfield is not isolated, new ideas, new forms of the same ideas filter in all the time. The TM movement itself is a variant of ideas primarily sourced from India. Each generation seems to have at least a slightly different framework for understanding the world, so in an open society, where new influences come in, the old and younger generations will always be out of sync. Those who hold the keys of power in an ideological based system always tend to resist change. That is the lack of flexibility, and flexibility is a key principle in SCI. The question is where do you bend to accommodate new thinking? Maharishi placed a lot of emphasis on "sameness of teaching." "Sameness of teaching" seems to be a key point in the problem of Fairfield. How far does it reasonably extend? The smallest circle of sameness here would be the right start of the mantra, and this might apply to mantras too, but the evidence is, this is not quite as critical. So if the mantra is satisfactory, and the use is correct, and the person goes off and meditates without any further knowledge, what will happen? How much of the supporting ideology is required for enlightenment? Some of it, all of it, none of it? The world has produced multiple systems for enlightenment, and some arguably work better than others, but it is not clear that the ideology of the TM movement is better than the others even if it were acknowledged that the meditation system of TM is superior. Most people seem to have spiritual ideas that are a mix of various influences, especially religious ideas indoctrinated prior to learning meditation, so the ideology of a particular system is never "pure" in the minds of most of its practitioners. This seems to be where the problem always arises. Like a blade of grass that bends in the storm, an ideological system has to have a method to evolve or it will break apart. The one part of TM that cannot be bent is the right start of the mantra. Anything other than that probably requires some flexibility, and more flexibility as you get farther from this core aspect. I see the problem as this -- spiritual progress is a series of instructions and activities that free the spirit. The instructions are useful until the spirit is free, and then they are not needed. These instructions however tend to be regarded in total as "The Truth" rather than as facilitators to discover truth which in this case is beyond the mind's ability to understand, beyond thought and conceptualization. Thus truth cannot be put into words, so the words that define the nature of a spiritual practice are in fact, not true, they are facilitators for discovery in helping the mind to stay on track in its day-to-day process of just letting go in meditation. As a result emphasis falls from the right start of the mantra to doggedly maintaining that everything that surrounds this simple practice must be invariable, yet the practice itself, once started, is out of individual control -- take it as it comes. Therefore there is only one thing in the TM movement that has to be prevented from bending -- the right start of meditation. Everything else has wiggle room. If meditation can be understood in the light of anything, then anything can be used to explain it. The explanations are not truths but metaphors to help stabilize practice. The truth dawns with the realization of enlightenment, not the explanation of it. On Sunday, December 10, 2017, 2:36:57 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Trending? Earlier this year I had a list gathering of more than a dozen friends of the TM community here who have recently sold their homes and left. People who have retirement means. This is unsettling in that to have a viable community there needs to be critical mass available in people. Studies by ISU of small towns shows that towns need at least 800 to have a viable sustaining local economy. One could worry for the Fairfield meditating community seeing the holes in the local economy when people with money resource move away. This was written about in another context as “Elders in Transition”... “Within TM this trend is seen too as TM elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi have pretty much all passed away now, with their check-books gone too. There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a large and popular movement of a few years ago. Some lots of middle and upper-middle-c
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Robots with AI can be dangerous as Elon Musk fears
I think it is largely up to us whether our machines will wake up. [Author of the following article] http://nautil.us/issue/47/consciousness/we-need-conscious-robots http://nautil.us/issue/47/consciousness/we-need-conscious-robots ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This seems obvious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Their thinking process is not based on organic material, such as those based on the five elements, like the brain cells in the human brain. Thus, robots cannot identify with being a mammal or an animal with "feelings". it's "rational" processes are devoid of earthly identification with humans or other animals. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/44f4e366-5200-3cc9-8d40-852c9a36b0de/ss_i-met-sophia%2C-the-world%27s.html https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/44f4e366-5200-3cc9-8d40-852c9a36b0de/ss_i-met-sophia%2C-the-world%27s.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Personal Enlightenment
It is interesting how many enlightened persons seem to fall into what is considered bad behaviour. As a Zen master said, after good behavior, enlightenment is the next most important thing. It would seem that people have different strengths of ego, and what is left after awaking reflects how much of that conditioning is left intact. If you put this in religious terms, surrender to God is basically subjugating ego to an imagined greater source or ego, if you think of God as a person. There is a certain practical value in having a name, and some idea of personal space in order to navigate the world and deal with other people. But when the world is the world and you are just a part, or you see "yourself" in terms of that whole, it really is not a person, its very abstract, there is no boundary between you the supposed person and everything else. Awareness is not a person, it is totally abstract. Pure consciousness is not a person. If everything is seen in terms of pure consciousness, that is not the viewpoint of a person. Your personal "space" is just perceived as lingering stresses. Your personhood is just a mass of stresses. That is why deep sleep is so restful because "you" are not there. The less you are there, the more things flow and are relaxed. I think the word "Self" is a bad choice for talking about enlightenment because anybody living in the state of ignorance will tend to think of it in personal terms, for they have no choice but to do so. Buddha talked of there being no self. This is really the same thing as "Self". Confusing terminology. People do not want to give up their stuff, what they are attached to. But to have the universal you have to give up your stuff because the universal is not personal, its the opposite of personal conceptually, even though it, in a way, contains the personal values. Advertizing enlightenment as something you can "add" to your personhood is probably a good hook to get people to start seeking, but at some point the limitations of this become evident. If you get clear enough you mentally have to give up everything, all your opinions, beliefs, even the spiritual system that you follow, because it is all a dream. The spiritual system operates in the state of ignorance, so it is not true, it is part of the illusion you are trying to eradicate, rather it is a set of instructions to lead you to truth. But the truth of the matter is the system is not the same thing as what is found. When people get awakened, one of the things they discover is, it isn't all the things they thought it would solve for their life problems, although the opportunity to work on those issues properly now comes into perspective. Enlightenment is then putting the knowledge found with awakening to work in one's life. Integrating, assimilating it so it is lived rather than believed or hoped for. In every spiritual system you see this strange hangover of cultural superstitions and beliefs, and if you can see through these, assimilating Brahman Consciousness, as the movement calls it, will go much more smoothly. Very few people come completely clear once they find out what it is all about. This is particularly ironic because what is found out is nothing is new, you knew it all along, the truth of the matter was before you all along. What this means is you, the supposed person, did all these activities, believing all these things, meditating, and so forth, for years and years, to get to the point where spirituality actually begins. TC, CC, GC, UC are preparations for enlightenment. BC is where it starts. While you still might meditate, as stresses impinge on the body and mind every day, you are beyond techniques as far as further advancement. You are, like it or not, self-sufficient as far as what happens next. If you are lazy, you will fall back, you will not be given a pardon for bad behavior, you cannot on the personal level act with impunity. Lesha-Vidya or Laishavidya, however you want to spell it, remains and it has to be dealt with. If at this point you feel there are no rules, the enlightened can do what they like, think again. On Saturday, September 2, 2017, 12:15:01 AM GMT, yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Comments on 1. The personal individuality gets switched out of its central position. [True, but switching it out doesn't eliminate it. There are notorious cases of egregious behavior among some probably Enlightened people, with abusive behavior continuing after E. We can conclude that a. such persons were not "really" Enlightened, or b. The switching out of individuality from its former central position (only an idea in the mind), is irrelevant when it comes to abusive behavior such as extracting sexual favors from (especially) females and some males, and exhibiting egregious greedy behavior Thus, though (1) is true, it by no means eliminates the "Personal" in Enlightenment. That's the evidence!] [bac
Re: [FairfieldLife] Personal Enlightenment
On Friday, September 1, 2017, 9:44:42 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The more essential transcendental meditation.. PERSONAL ENLIGHTENMENT | Global Country of World Peace | | | | | | | | | | | PERSONAL ENLIGHTENMENT | Global Country of World Peace | | | The main problem with the idea of enlightenment being personal is that it isn't. The human sense of individuality gets switched out of its center position with enlightenment. It is really just an idea in the mind. All the things that get grouped together as "self" are really mental conditionings. While these conditionings never entirely go away, what is called somewhat ironically as "Self", the universal value of enlightenment, is really nothing like the personal idea of self. Enlightenment is about the totality. It is not about "you." Until Brahman Consciousness, experience is still fairly corrupted with the individual idea of self.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Jyotish Council's Tips for Eclipse
A Shadow is a metaphor for fear. Fear is the loss of Unity, thinking we are separate from what happens in the world. Light is sucked out, blocked. This is for the ignorant. If "infinity is at every point," there is pure being everywhere, no shadows at all. You are trading in illusions. The Indian subcontinent has its own cultural superstitions. There are enough superstitions here, why import more of them? On Friday, August 18, 2017, 11:29:10 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hear AMMA’s guidance on what to do before and during the upcoming solar eclipse on August 21, 2017 http://www.karunamayi.org/homepage/ # Dixon writes: I'm Going Home https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bblopcUcW6A ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Spiritually, according to particulars in astrological charts travel to the eclipse clearly ist verboten. I am staying inside and inward in Fairfield, Iowa for the eclipse. The configuration of the eclipse is particularly bad in one of our cases. Something about the sign of Leo transits, etc. However simply out of an intuitive sympathy with this feeling I am going to stay indoors and meditating inward at the Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge in Fairfield, Iowa for the length of the eclipse. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I ain’t going. Will not. Should not, won’t. While I have been inwardly ambivalent whilst having fun figuring out the details of travel down to Missouri to the eclipse we just had two big time astrology and jyotish people separately contact us about the eclipse and charts after their seeing the travel memo to Arrow Rock, Missouri below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I’ve a long time heard that the sun will be darkened, That the sun will be darkened in that day. Oh, sinner, where will you stand in that day? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0OHYyiDtg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The groups of Fairfield meditating Quakers and Fairfield folk artists are taking a picnic to Arrow Rock. Friends who are University staff are thinking of “staying home and being inward” on eclipse day. I expect them to ‘secretly’ show up counter to good jyotish advice in Arrow Rock for the incredible spread of food the meditating Quakers usually have after Meeting in meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I cancelled room reservations today that I made for Liberty, Missouri north of Kansas City. I made the reservations months ago but figure now that the interstate heading up to Totality from Kansas City is going to be a parking lot on Monday morning. Arrow Rock looks like a better shot from Fairfield. A solemn darkness veils the skies, A sudden trembling shakes the ground. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0tfgd4I7dU ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I've been listening to shortwave radio since I was around 10 years old, and one of my fave shortwave religious kook broadcasters is Brother Stair, the Last Day Prophet of God. His cult compound is in Canadys SC, just barely inside the path of totality. He's holding a special gathering for the eclipse. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Coincidence that the totality of the eclipse traverses the Bible-belt? Repent sinners! Some will be on their knees. Some in lotus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Right now, the weather forecast is calling for partly cloudy skies along the path of totality in Missouri. I'm gonna keep an eye on it and figure out where I'll drive to. The best bet is a 13 hour drive out to Casper WY, but I'm not up for that. I may drive 6 hours out to Nebraska if it'll make for clearer skies. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A whole slew of meditators from Fairfield, Iowaare going to be right on the line of Totalityfor the eclipse down at Arrow Rock, Missouri. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Om, a question: Would staying inside your car 'indoors'with the doors closed, count as okay? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : JULY 31, 2017 Points regarding the Solar Eclipse on August 21 We have received several emails asking about recommendations from the Maharishi JyotishSMCouncil for appropriate activities during the upcoming solar eclipse on August 21. Recommendations from the Maharishi Jyotish Council 1. It’s recommended to not begin important projects or special events on this day, as Nature will not be as supportive. The most life-supporting activities recommended during an eclipse are those which bring the attention inward. 2. It’s better to stay inside during the time that the eclipse is visible where you are. You can find out when that is by visiting www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/ and entering your city and state. In Fairfield, it is from 11:45 am to 2:37 pm. 3. According to the knowledge of Maharishi Jyotish, the planet Surya (Sun) is
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
As you must be aware, the dead weight of ideology is measured in bodies. On Friday, August 18, 2017, 2:14:07 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The critical need now is for numbers in proximity meditating. This need in critical mass needs movement right now not the dead weight of rigid ideology standing still in the way. Our status quo ‘administrative state’ of the Dome numbers evidently is not working for reasons unacceptable by standard of what good could come of the group meditating. In the middle of tru-believer status quo is their own moral feeling that anything that came from Maharishi should not be changed and also a feeling that some people ‘made promises’ and should be punished or coerced by holding up their Dome badge status over them. These are moral rationales that like the grant-monitoring problem are unacceptable to the accord of natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A conservative view of the numbers problem is saying: “Materialism and ill-discipline on the part of some people in the meditating community is a likely part of this problem. By all the science one could infer the buck of all the problems is with all those spiritual loafers down in cafes sitting around when they could be in the collective of the Domes meditating.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About the collapse of numbers in the Domes meditating, it would be extremely politic right now to cut through this. Make a separate policy document for admission in to the Dome group program for old movement meditators and initiators. Not with crafting exemptions but directly cut the guidelines down to essential of what it takes to administer a residence course or retreat. See that people have learned ™ and the ™-sidhis, that they don’t ‘work against’ the movement or would be otherwise disruptive, and simply request that they only practice ™ and the ™-Sidhis in the Domes. Done. Short. Publish them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This needs extra-ordinary leadership right now to rally the meditating community to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In Fair
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
The real problem is direct experience is not a belief. A belief is an interpretation of experience, it is not the experience itself. Spiritual awakening in not about belief in what reality is, but a more direct apprehension of reality, outside the confines of the mind's discourse. The problem arises when experience must be expressed verbally. This creates a secondary reality in the mind and when the mind is ignorant, it takes that description as real. When this happens enough times, you have the situation found in most spiritual movements where activity is performed entirely on the basis of verbal interpretations, and as most persons in spiritual movements tend to be seekers, not yet having found what they are looking for, most actions in the organizations are fractured along the lines of that ignorance. You have to tread carefully among such people. If the built up inertia is just too heavy, it might be best to take your practice elsewhere and bypass them rather than try to "fix" the situation. If you really want enlightenment (which is highest first), seek that first and foremost with diligence. Remember you have to discover what it really is, what other people say to you cannot replace your good judgement. If you do not develop good judgement and self reliance, you will be at their mercy, and they usually have none. If your world of experience is not peaceful first, you are relying on a false promise of peace. Being with like-minded seekers is helpful at times, but not necessary. Guru Dev spent most of his time away from others. That came out rather well for him. The enlightened are not true believers. They are done with that. If the ship that is guiding you is not working out, maybe you are just stuck with a bunch of blind believers. Abandon ship. No need to worry, the ocean is all around for all to experience, there is no lack, nothing is hidden. On Sunday, August 13, 2017, 10:26:06 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Statistical Truth, The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
Mr. Hamilton, reconciliation is not the proper word. Once rather simple and obvious effects are discovered, cataloged, and more or less explained by science, the more subtle aspects are often very difficult to sort out. The leading edge of any scientific discipline is rife with contradictions and ambiguous evidence. Meditation is a difficult subject because there are some physical effects, some psychological ones. And a number of things about meditation are unknown. One of the greatest problems is meditation systems have "devotees" which have strong emotional ties to their discipline, and strong emotional ties and beliefs can override scientific processes because a certain result is desired rather than whatever the result happens to turn out to be. Perhaps the best research would be done by those who do not care about the result of the research except that it follows rigorous scientific protocol. Quite a number of philosophical points in meditation lore are really beyond the ken of science as they do not seem to be testable. Meditation is a key technology in those spiritual circles that deal with the concept of enlightenment. The tool is for that, not for health or well being even if some of that is a byproduct. The byproducts of meditation are not what it is for; what it is for is to make possible the realization that consciousness/awareness lies as the ground of experience, and life is just a succession of experiences. As everyone is conscious, that consciousness underlies experience would seem to be an obvious fact. It is, but it is too obvious, and the implication of that is understanding the nature of consciousness turns out to be a much more difficult difficult subject to investigate, for it seemingly has no properties that can be seen, felt, or measured directly. It is as if it is not there, even though on the basis of our experience we know it must be there. Spiritual systems tend to elaborate on the nature of consciousness way beyond what is justified rationally. This is particularly true when spiritual systems institutionalize, and many different people with a wide variety of understandings get involved in maintaining the system. It is as if weeds grow up in the system and whatever truth was there to begin with begins to get obscured by this overgrowth. This often happens even when the teacher, the central figure is alive. Not all teachers are really pure, and that defect sometimes leads to their downfall, or eventually to some subtle corruption in the followers, which then leads to the downfall of the institution. My advice is to pursue the main goal, enlightenment, and only give passing notice to whatever else seems to be taking up people's attention in the system. Enlightenment is simple: you are awareness as is everything else. This is little to do with holiness, specialness, grand experiences, or health or world peace. You could be at death's door with illness and still know you are awareness, or in a foxhole in the middle of a pitched battle, and still know you are awareness. Unity means there is no other. That means you do not have a relationship in unity, because there is only one thing, and you are it. Note this does not mean "the person" is in unity. The person is an aspect of unity, it is the unity that knows what the unity is. Your person is an object in the field of awareness, and the mind and intellect in the person has to come to terms with this. Enlightenment is not about your personal life. The ego, while still existing, has to be perceived as not real, that you, the person, are not the center of attention, rather the whole is the center of attention, and your person hood is just like a chair, or a dog, or a TV-set in the field of awareness. If this is not what you thought enlightenment would be, perhaps a body could get a job pushing burgers over the counter at McDonald's. But even there, there is the counter, a customer, your hands pushing the burgers and fries on the tray to the customer, all in the field of awareness, life just like for everyone else, but just that lack of knowledge that this is all what you in the largest sense are, means the activity seems to lack something and is unfulfilling, whereas just that knowledge, if you had it, would mean the same activity is just the unity maintaining its balance as wholeness. It is all very simple, unspectacular. You gain nothing, but what you lose is significant. You lose the ability to fantasize that there are options to reality. The problem is people think there is an option or options other than what is happening now. That there is something better. It is when this fantasy goes away, that self realization has a chance to click over. The purpose of meditation is really to exorcize the unreal options the mind entertains about the experiences it has. They bubble up as thoughts, spontaneously, without our trying. Those thoughts tangle us up in unreality. Eventually the m
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Profile on Bob Roth in today's (6/30/17) Wall St. Journal
I met Bob when he was 26. I have only seen him twice in the last 15 years or so, last time a couple of years ago, when he showed up unexpectedly at a party. I presume he is rather busy these days. On Sunday, July 2, 2017, 6:17:32 AM EDT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This is a remarkable ‘comeback story’ in cultural relevance for ™. Some few savvy and capable old field ™ teachers along with Bobby Roth heading out to make ™ relevant again. Like some very few teachers in the later 1960’s fanning out to present and teach ™ around the country then. After some focused work and fruitful fortune meditating came to be right in the middle of things then. Bobby Roth and some of the people around him are remarkable beings in their vision and capacities in life this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.wsj.com/articles/ transcendental-meditation-for- everyone-1498842465 Transcendental Meditation for Everyone Bob Roth, chief executive of the David Lynch Foundation, teaches transcendental meditation to a range of students, from elementary-school children to CEOs Photo: Chris Sorensen for The Wall Street Journal By Alexandra Wolfe June 30, 2017 1:07 p.m. ET Bob Roth knows his field sounds a little like “woowoo” spirituality, as he says. But as a teacher of transcendental meditation, he now works with a wide-ranging clientele that includes celebrities such as Katy Perry and Jerry Seinfeld, hedge-fund managers, inner-city students, prisoners and veterans. He has the same goal for everyone: to teach them the virtues of T.M., as it’s called—a practice that involves silently reciting a mantra over and over for 15 to 20 minutes twice a day. Proponents say that the practice reduces stress and raises self-awareness. Bridgewater founder and co-chairman Ray Dalio, a student of Mr. Roth’s for more than a decade and a donor to the foundation, is a believer. The practice has been “integral to whatever success I’ve had in life,” he says. “It makes one feel like…a ninja in a movie, like you’re doing everything calmly and in slow motion.” Mr. Roth, 66, is chief executive of the David Lynch Foundation, a nonprofit he co-founded with the film director in 2005 that is dedicated to teaching transcendental meditation, particularly to at-risk populations, “to improve their health, cognitive capabilities and performance in life,” as the foundation’s website says. Some of its funds come from teaching courses to companies and individuals; a four-day training course costs up to $960 a person. The foundation has 60 employees in the U.S. as well as partners in 35 countries. In early June, Mr. Roth opened the nonprofit’s first office in Washington, D.C., where he says he is currently teaching a dozen members of Congress. His organization has also been participating in studies in prisons recently. In a study published last year in the Permanente Journal, 181 male inmates at the Oregon State Correctional Institute and the Oregon State Penitentiary in Salem either took a transcendental meditation program through the foundation or did nothing outside their usual routine. The researchers found greater reductions in anxiety, depression and trauma symptoms in the group that had taken meditation. Mr. Roth finds an analogy in the sea. “The ocean can be active and turbulent on the surface, sometimes with tsunami-like 30-foot waves, but is, by its nature, silent at its depth,” he says. “The surface of the mind is the active, noisy, thinking mind—often racing, noisy, hyperactive, turbulent. But like the ocean, the mind of everyone is quiet, calm, silent at its depth.” T.M. was developed in India by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a physicist turned meditation teacher, in the 1950s; it gained popularity in the 1960s when he worked with the Beatles and other celebrities. The son of a doctor and a teacher, Mr. Roth dreamed of being a senator when he was young. He started meditating in college at the University of California, Berkeley, after a friend suggested it as a way to relax amid the student riots on campus. He was skeptical at first but soon became hooked. After he graduated in 1972, he started teaching meditation to children in inner-city schools in San Francisco. A few years later, he traveled to Europe to study under Maharishi Mahesh Yogi before returning to California to continue teaching over the next decade. In 1982, he moved to Washington, D.C., where he eventually met Mr. Lynch, the director of “Blue Velvet” and “Twin Peaks,” who had taken up the practice in the 1970s. “If you are a human being, [transcendental meditation] works,” says Mr. Lynch. Contrary to what you might expect for a meditation teacher, Mr. Roth often wears a suit with a crisp white shirt. (More predictably, he has a serene demeanor.) He lives alone in New York, and in his downtime enjoys trying new Asian fusion and Italian restaurants and watching sports, especially ba
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Statistical Truth, The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
I was wondering just what kind of research might show up under "group effects of meditation." group effects of meditation - Google Scholar | | | | group effects of meditation - Google Scholar | | | This search on Google does not search for only results from TM. On Thursday, June 22, 2017, 12:22:42 PM PDT, Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Comments below in text. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Statistical Truth, The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! People ‘claim’ things like: _,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome:
That could be a solution, but as the number of "Sidhas" practicing in the Domes exceed the number required for coherence in Fairfield, why did that not provide the basis for continued success in Fairfield? If we take Kaplan's letter over a decade ago at face value, it would seem Maharishi did not even really know if this coherence effect would really work, as it seemed to be based on a rather loose association of a statement by Patanjali with a coherence effect in physics. The maximum numbers were in the 1980s and everything has declined, including the state of the world from that point on, whereas if the theory were true, it should have improved, especially in Fairfield, more people would have come into the program and the world would have gotten better. In spite of the movement's confirmation-bias tainted research, Fairfield, the star of the movement, seems to indicate the Maharishi effect does not exist in the form and extent that it is touted to be. The point of meditation is it is an aid to enlightenment. Everything else that has been bundled with it in the movement has been an effort to make it attractive to people who probably would not otherwise meditate for the real reason. It is an appeal to personal success and well-being, which is fine for ego-centric individuals, but enlightenment is to discover that everything is consciousness, and consciousness when unbounded is not personal. Meditating for "World Peace" sounds great, and maybe that idea will make you feel good as an individual, but World Peace has not happened, and seems less likely now than previously. Perhaps the Bhagavad-Gita is correct, that life is an unending battleground and that you need to achieve peace on the basis of your practice, but the battle continues unending, without letup, and you gain peace even amid ceaseless turmoil. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome: The ending of the “grant” program funding. Old meditators cut loose as the ™ movement readies tooutsource US Meditation to India. The international ™ movement is announcing it will shift its funding resources away from propping the Dome group meditation in Iowa over to pundit programs in India. Winding down the “Grant” program.. Financial support for the Invincible America Assembly had been coming in substantial amounts donated monthly by Drs. Howard and Mickey Settle. About two years ago, the International ™ Movement took over most, then all, of the IAA Grant funding, and has now announced it will step down its contributions beginning in September, to 22% of the $90,000/month it has been giving, by this coming November. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The movement should get out of the business of monitoring people. FW: Myth: People dropped off or were cut from the Grant because there was not enough funds, due to Howard Settle's business situation. Truth: Not one person was dropped from the Grant due to reduction in Settle funds in 2013. Every single person who re-applied went back on the Grant. Julie Anne, who handled the Grant checks, told me this herself. But the 100 person drop overnight, and 350 or more after that reduction, was primarilybecause of dislike or disapproval of the 'monitoring' system, and, the way that Bryan Lee et al conducted the lengthy highly formal meeting to introduce the 'monitoring' system (I had warned him what 'monitoring' would do, and also what that type of meeting would do, but was disregarded). It crippled Movement family and community feeling, what was left of that. The reduction in attendance began ONE YEAR BEFORE the Settle funds were reduced. In August of 2012. Soon as 'monitoring' started, after 17 nearly consecutive higher months, our attendance fell through the floor, and went down 12 consecutive months PRIOR TO the Settle fund reduction (then continued falling for 39 months after that, until 2 months up for October Surprise (then down 3 months in a row since then. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ‘Fixing’ the grant $ program and its monitoring? That seems like.. 'putting Lipstick on a pig’. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Administrative State of monitoring.. The coloring of consciousness with fear by effect of meditation-monitoring in physical observation is antithetical to 'effortless meditation' in creating stress to the innocence of the practice. FW: ..refer to Maharishi's Commentary on the Gita, where he states, inter alia, at VI: 10, "the feeling of someone being around him or watching him may impede the smoothness of the process of transcending." FW:This monitoring system is clearly in contrast to basic Program instructions about not being watched while meditating that are in our Checking Notes, and in Chapter VI Verse 10
[FairfieldLife] Utopia
I rather hate to post this, but these are the facts: 1972 World Plan as viewed from 2017, 45 years.1. To develop the full potential of the individual FAILED (but small percent of individuals?) 2. To improve governmental achievements FAILED 3. To realise the highest ideal of education FAILED 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour that brings unhappiness to the family of man FAILED 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment FAILED 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals and society FAILED7. To achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation FAILED (but again, a few specks here and there?) Why is this? "You have control over action alone, never its fruits."
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Agency'
This is interesting. Neuroscience basically has found that the sense of agency in human beings is illusory, that everything is "controlled" by the laws of nature. Decision making takes places in the brain 1/2 to 7 seconds prior to the decision becoming a conscious event. That means there cannot be a conscious The sense of individual self, the psyche, the ego, which coordinates the events in experience under the title of "me" is not an entity or an object but a mental category that packages the events of perception, the organs of action, the mind, emotions, and intellect as if they were somehow originated as a unit. Self realization shows this supposed entity is not real even though it is nonetheless a factor in experience. This supports neuroscience research various kinds of statements found in spiritual literature such as "acting in accord with natural law," or "Let Thy will be done," which represent the state of enlightenment where the ego is subordinated to the whole rather than attempting to subjugate the whole. This happens effortlessly when the full nature of the whole is realized. It is the basic principle of activity during the practice of TM, which is a good introduction to how the mind can function without the involvement of the ego, which can be said to be a pretend self. It takes many years of mediation for this quality of action to permeate experience, but also intellectual understanding of how the mind creates the illusion of a "me" is required to be able to recognize when those features of the mind grouped under the title of "ego" are functioning so the mind when in activity can reset itself of effortless functioning. As the sense of individuality and uniqueness is deeply impacted in most people, it is not as simple a task as it might seem to have this distortion in experience dissipate, for ultimately "you" have no control over the process. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Agency' Freely willfully making conscious choice..The Greeks had previously believed humans had little agency, and that their fates were at the mercy of their many gods, who often acted according to whim and fancy. After their acquaintance with Iranian religion and philosophy, however, they began to feel more as if they were the masters of their destinies, and that their decisions were in their own hands. http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170406-this-obscure-religion-shaped-the-west The Dome Doors open daily at 6:40am for group meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course when one skims through something like this broadside below what pops out often is what is familiar or coincides with one’s own perspective. In a quick read this was a ‘long and short of it’.. "You cannot sorrow for yourself when you have stemmed the sorrow of another. The great law of service works on faithfully for everyone. ..The (spiritual) workers are blessed and in the measure that they have striven so Divine protection is around them. ..; so that when the River of Life is crossed, you shall find marked upon you the sign of honour that shows that you were shepherds, and that the sheep hearkened to your voice." As the science is now more and more apparent it seems that those who would come to group meditations are doing good work for others in service to others, so like the Prince of Peace did in in Meissner-like darshan in his time. Happy Easter, JaiGuruYou. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For anyone who might be interested, I put this excerpt inthe Personal column of our local paper for Good Friday. It seems to me thatTraditionalism creates obstacles and obscures the more optimistic view from those who should receiveit… Extract from “WHAT DOESRESURRECTION MEAN FOR THE SOUL”, spoken by the spirit of the Scribe in theBible (Mark 12:28-34) through the deep trance mediumship of Miss Winifred Moyesat the Greater World Christian Spiritualist Circle on Easter Sunday, April 13th1941. "Thisis the time of resurrection; in the degree that you can sacrifice - then indeedit shall be Easter for you… "Youcannot sorrow for yourself when you have stemmed the sorrow of another. Thegreat law of service works on faithfully for everyone. Those even in theirdeepest sufferings can link up with Jesus the Christ and face the fiercest testunafraid, knowing that they shall never see death, but glorious life and a lovethat shall close every wound in heart and mind and body. "Thereare those who criticise, but when their body is no more, the consciousness ofopportunity utilised or of opportunity thrown away will come to them. But inthat next stage, God, in His great mercy, will send to them the teachers andthe leaders, and they will be seekers and will seek until they find - and theyshall find, after the transition, their resurrection in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [TheBecoming] Re: Spirit & Reincarnation
The content as you say is not uninteresting, but there is a lot of it, and also, how you understand what you post is also a consideration. When we post things here, it shows our understanding (or lack of it) of the subject in the post, and this is what results in discussions, because people even generally in agreement often understand details differently. I you just copy and post, no understanding is involved and the benefit is slight. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [TheBecoming] Re: Spirit & Reincarnation yup, Gulati seems un-reformed by yahoo-groups guidelines. I was sort of enjoying the spiritual substance of the posts but this is a yahoo-group mandated to be moderated by yahoo guidelines. In moderation I had given him a lot of rope. JaiGuruYou, Dug Jung-Un ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is just SPAM You are SPAMMING this Yahoo group, plus this content, which is not original, is just copied from other websites. The Yahoo guidelines state that you should post ORIGINAL content. If you have something to say, say it and if you want to make a link to other people's content, then put in a link. This stuff you are sending here to Fairfield Life is also being sent to a couple hundred other people and groups if the addresses in the e-mail headers are any indication. It seems to be an attempt to get people to link to a particular website. So I am asking the moderator here to block this poster (devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com), after due consideration. From: "devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: Take for example a very big scientist dies today and that means thatall that he had learnt, he might have read hundreds of books, he mighthave collected a lot of information in his brain, all that suddenlycollapses. And if you believe in rebirth, he takes a new birthsupposing, then all this information does not go with him, it is alllost. But what he had gained in the form of experience that remains. Andeven today the way in which he will react to his surroundings, evenfrom his childhood will bear the imprint of that experience because whatis important is not the information that is stored but the experiencethat is gained. And that is why in the law of evolution; memory of pastlives is deliberately taken away, because if it goes on hanging it willbe a burden for the further growth. What is retained is the experiencegained and that is never taken away. You may say this is samskaras butthis is more than samskaras. Samskaras are also the impressions whichare created at birth and various kinds of attitudes are also samskaras.But also what is received from your past births, samskara, is a part ofthat experience. What is important in any given situation for anindividual is the experience that he or she is gaining.The basic experience that one has to gain in life is theinterrelationship of body, life and mind. How they can be controlled,how they can be perfected, so that ultimately the Original Will canmanifest without obstructions. This is the fundamental thing to belearnt. All else is only instrument of it or helpful aid towards it. Onemay do hundreds of things but if this does not happen then one does notreally grow on the right lines. One goes on repeating on and on, onedoes not grow inwardly. To grow inwardly is to understand therelationship between body, life and mind and how they can be harmonized,how they can be perfected so that ultimately the Original Will canmanifest without obstructions. And if you take karma, any action thatyou are doing with this attitude, to learn out of the karma this, notmany other things which one can learn fundamentally, then in a shortertime you can attain to the goal. That again is a part of Karma Yoga.All yoga is shortening the time. As Vivekananda said, Yoga isacceleration of experience so that what can be gained normally withinhundred years can be done in six months’ time, in a shorter time. If youknow the real purpose as to why what is happening to me what am I tolearn from it and if you really concentrate upon it then one can growvery rapidly. It is like a gardener who understands how to allow theplants to grow, what is needed for the plants and you supply to theplants and they will grow much better. The Life Divine – Book I – Chapter XXIIhttp://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=490 Gulati On Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:55 AM, "devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com [TheBecoming]" wrote: Our first will was to agree to enter into this game by which the DivineTotality can be manifested in the embodied individual. It wouldtherefore mean that our soul has a mission, to build the totality ofdivinity in an embodied individual. You may take an analogy of anarchitect. An ar
Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book
O.K. I had a lot of beautiful experiences. The rough stuff came many years later and I had to work it out on my own how to handle it. It was really spontaneous and not triggered directly by meditation but other events, but clearly related to all I had practiced in the past. It was as if a block had been dissolved, and all the dark was free to surface and flee. I never however thought of it as "kundalini" as that word never really had much impact on my thought processes as concerned what was happening. There was a point where it seemed I knew a few things others did not know, but fortunately that passed. It is hard to talk about unusual experiences, especially if the word "enlightenment" is involved, without being a kind of jerk. Sometimes I think there should be a rule -- wait ten years or so after a cool experience before you blab about it to give time to assimilate it properly and give perspective. From: "'My Enlightenment Delusion' myenlightenmentdelus...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book To me, a kundalini crisis is an overwhelming mind-body experience caused by spiritual practices. Many spiritual movements speak of the kundalini energy center and its role in enlightenment. It is a fairly common conception that a huge burst of energy from the kundalini center can create an overwhelming experience akin to mania. I don’t think I ever heard Maharishi speak of kundalini, but I had conversations with other TM teachers about kundalini over the years. Here is a link to a transcript of Maharishi speaking about kundalini in 1968 http://institutespiritualsciences.org/blog_mmy/mmykundalini.php Here is an excerpt from my book:The most scientific description of kundalini crises that I have found is in the 1992 book, The Kundalini Experience by Lee Sannella, M.D. Sannella interviewed people who had come through kundalini crises. He came up with 4 categories of experience: motor, sensory, non-physiological, and interpretive. As motor phenomena, Sannella listed kriyas and unusual breathing patterns. Under sensory phenomena, he listed tickling sensations, heat and cold sensations, inner light, inner sounds, and pain in the eyes, head, spine, or elsewhere. Under non-physiological phenomena, Sannella listed out-of-body experiences and psychic perceptions.As interpretive phenomena, Sannella listed both positive and negative feelings that could be experienced with much greater intensity than usual such as ecstasy, love, cosmic harmony, fear and confusion. He stated that the thinking process could be speeded up or inhibited. The mental experience could be detachment, hysteria, a state akin to schizophrenia, or the delusion of having been divinely chosen.Here are my symptoms which match Sannella’s descriptions: ● When my kundalini crisis began, I had tingling all over my body. It felt like a continuous, small electric shock sensation which was pleasant and exciting. ● I had extreme feelings of joy and thankfulness that seemed to be related to my thoughts that I was enlightened. When I had delusions about achieving even higher states of consciousness, I would subsequently be so ecstatic and so thankful that I would start to cry. ● All of my feelings were experienced with greater intensity than usual. When I spoke, I spoke like a fire-brand preacher. My voice almost became raspy as if I had been yelling at a sporting event. ● I thought I had earned a special relationship with God and nature. From: Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:36 PMTo: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book I am rather curious about this. What is a kundalini crisis? Some people do have trouble with TM's effects, everyone has a different nervous system, and some have problems, and the movement does not always handle these things well. Unlike some systems TM does not have any real qualifications for starting. For example to study Vedanta you might be required at the outset to have: - an open mind - a reasonable mind - a discriminating mind - a dispassionate mind - a disciplined, observant mind - a sense of self duty - forbearance, motivation, and devotion to the goal - a certain level of critical thinking but not overly critical - a temperament for overcoming obstacles - a proper teacher and good fortune to have and find these TM lets in all kinds of people with few restraints, but as a result a lot of crazies get by who are not prepared for what can happen. The path to enlightenment is not all bliss. It can get very very gritty. I think a lot of people get in who have a lot of strange beliefs and propensities that
Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book
I am rather curious about this. What is a kundalini crisis? Some people do have trouble with TM's effects, everyone has a different nervous system, and some have problems, and the movement does not always handle these things well. Unlike some systems TM does not have any real qualifications for starting. For example to study Vedanta you might be required at the outset to have: - an open mind - a reasonable mind - a discriminating mind - a dispassionate mind - a disciplined, observant mind - a sense of self duty - forbearance, motivation, and devotion to the goal - a certain level of critical thinking but not overly critical - a temperament for overcoming obstacles - a proper teacher and good fortune to have and find these TM lets in all kinds of people with few restraints, but as a result a lot of crazies get by who are not prepared for what can happen. The path to enlightenment is not all bliss. It can get very very gritty. I think a lot of people get in who have a lot of strange beliefs and propensities that then go off the rails when they start having unusual experiences, or begin to experience heavy unstressing. TM, while it talks of unstressing, it does not really prepare people for how intense it can be, and you need to have mental tools to handle what comes up. I do not think most people really realize how screwed up they are before they start to meditate, especially if they get it in their bonnet that they are now on the fast track to enlightenment, they then presume too much about their progress. A lot of meditators are still just close to being qualified by the criteria above after meditating for half a century. That TM is easy to practice is deceptive in the sense that it alone cannot prepare one for some very strange experiences. That ease of practice does allow a lot of people to be taught, but a lot of concerns that can come up get swept under the rug, and TM teachers are not trained to deal with this. TM as a whole package is not customized enough to do this. If you are fortunate you get through relatively unscathed, but if not I guess they end up like you! From: "'My Enlightenment Delusion' myenlightenmentdelus...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book I just finished writing a book entitled, My Enlightenment Delusion: experiences and musings of a former Transcendental Meditation teacher. It is available at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XS55JKC/ for $2.99. The first 3 chapters can be viewed on Amazon by clicking on “Look inside”. A large part of the book is about my kundalini crisis and also contains my conjecture about kundalini crises. I recount some humorous ups and downs in my life as a TM teacher. I explain why the similarities between grandiose delusions, psychotic mania, and kundalini crises are more than a coincidence. --Matt Landing #yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352 -- #yiv0200917352ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352ygrp-mkp #yiv0200917352hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352ygrp-mkp #yiv0200917352ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352ygrp-mkp .yiv0200917352ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352ygrp-mkp .yiv0200917352ad p {margin:0;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352ygrp-mkp .yiv0200917352ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352ygrp-sponsor #yiv0200917352ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352ygrp-sponsor #yiv0200917352ygrp-lc #yiv0200917352hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352ygrp-sponsor #yiv0200917352ygrp-lc .yiv0200917352ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv0200917352 #yiv0200917352activity span .yiv0200917352underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0200917352 .yiv0200917352attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv0200917352 .yiv0200917352attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0200917352 .yiv0200917352attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv0200917352 .yiv0200917352attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Study Shows Brain Coherence When Listening to Vedic Pandits
This is very much in line with Fred Travis's research on brain coherence. By the way, most anti-science skeptics don't know anything about science. There is however a problem in that most spiritual types are anti-science because they do not know how science works, what the methodologies are. They simply accept or reject results on the basis of it conforming to their belief in their system. The best way to view results is to see how other scientists react to the research. While this gives a general appraisal of its value, it is not always a reliable indicator, especially if the research is controversial as it often is with new discoveries. This research is interesting, but it does not reveal if there is a basic underlying mechanism. Suppose the listeners in this experiment were listening to Mozart, or Bach, or to a recitation from a phone book, a recitation of Shakespeare, or listening to pink noise, or a recording of waves hitting a beach. Would the results be different or the same? The issue of whether this is specific to Vedic recitation or a more general response was not addressed, so we do not know if Vedic recitation is the cause of this deeper experience. The experiment should be redone with a larger group, and with more kinds of input. I like Fred, and his research, but he is constrained by the MUM and movement environment which limits the tools he can use, and limits what kind of results can be published. The reason I bring this up is I sometimes have experiences like this when listening to music, that is, certain kinds of music (not Indian). So I would scientifically hypothesize that the effect is more general than reported by Fred. I doubt that Acid Rock would produce this experience, so the effect would be a bit more selective in that input that did not jar the nervous system would not prevent the effect from happening. If there is more than one thing we could listen to that would produce these effects, it could be valuable to find out what they are, and adding them to our routine might speed up results! From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 9:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Study Shows Brain Coherence When Listening to Vedic Pandits And, even more research. Om Jeez, pity the anti-science skeptics and the uncomfortable with spirituality and meditational things with this piling up of more published science papers. One can see how this could be completely aggravating for them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Study Shows Brain Coherence When Listening to Vedic PanditsThose who have listened to live Vedic recitation by pandits often have experiences of deep inner silence, and now a new EEG study describes the coherent brain wave patterns associated with those experiences.EEG measurements on the 37 subjects while they listened to the recitation not only found coherence in their brain wave patterns, but that the coherence was actually higher than during their practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique.However, study author Fred Travis explains that all of the subjects had not only been practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique for an average of 34 years but had also practiced the TM-Sidhi program an average of 28 years. When he measured four subjects who practiced only Transcendental Meditation, they didn't have the same high level of brain wave coherence."Those who practice the TM-Sidhi program have cultivated the habit of sitting in silence and allowing the mental activity to easily pass through awareness," Dr. Travis said. "This provided the basis, I think, for them to profit maximally from listening to Vedic recitation."Dr. Travis analyzed the subjective reports of the participants' experience during listening to the recitation and found that their experiences were generally 1) deeper than during Transcendental Meditation practice; 2) experienced as an inner process; and 3) characterized by lively silence. They reported that they ''experienced a depth of experience rarely experienced even during deep Transcendental Meditation practice."EEG measurements showed higher alpha1 coherence, which is associated with the experience of pure consciousness. And they showed higher theta2 coherence, which is associated with attending to internal mental processes. The latter finding explains the participants' experience that the Vedic recitations felt as though they weren't external sounds but rather internal vibrations.Those who only practiced Transcendental Meditation had higher gamma coherence, with gamma being associated with focusing on an external object. Hence, their experience of the recitation as an outer experience.The study was published last month in Consciousness and Cognition. Coauthors of the study were Niyazi Parim and Amrita Shrivastava. #yiv5226301746 #yiv5226301746 -- #yiv5226301746ygrp-mkp {border:1px soli
Re: [FairfieldLife] basis of morals
A softer, sweeter way to punish people for their imagined religious offences is drowning in molasses. There is morality which has religious origins, and ethics which supposedly could give a secular spin to behavior. The goal, or if spoken of in evolutionary terms, the result of greater societal coherence seems to break down in the following way --- lover (wife, husband etc.), family, extended family relationships, societal group (politics, religion and others), country, country allies. This appears on the basis of studies to be a result of evolutionary unfolding, which is later codified as secular laws or religious prohibitions and permissions. Ethics involves finding a rational basis for such laws, while morality keeps the priests and their equivalents in business. In watching animals, you see some of these effects, but you do not see morality or ethics, which is a layer added by the human capacity for thought. From: "yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 1:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] basis of morals Atheists AronRa and Matt Dillahunty take on a caller questioning Matt's statement that adherence to reality is an asset when making decisions relating to well being. The process involves correct knowledge preferably based on testable assertionsOther segments carry the Theist arguments to an extreme. Their arguments go like this:1. Atheists make a claim that moral values have evolved over time, and are thus not absolute.2. Theists reply that since moral values without God are subject to change, one needs an absolute basis for judgment coming for am All-Knowing, All-Loving Creator who is the Lawgiver and Source of Absolute morals.3. Atheists reply that a. the existence of the Creator-God is questionable since there's no direct evidence,.b. the problem of evil (especially the questions raised by Epicurus). c. the question of which God is "true" one.d. the Bible-based statements demonstrating that the Judaeo-Christian condoned slavery and .actually sanctioned it (Cf. Exodus 21), and also condoned and promoted stoning for a variety of .offences such as adultery, working on the Sabbath, and for unruly children.Can the debate be applied to TM? Yes, at least the TMO has tried to make the connection between the practice of TM and one's well-being. Parameters such as blood pressure and brain waves are the low-hanging fruit and haven't countered the effect of control techniques such as Mindfulness.Ironically, advances connecting meditation to morals have been made outside the TM Movement by people like Sam Harris; and a stronger case is made when introducing the evidence relating to the Polyvagal nervous system. Finally, the TMO needs a stronger connection to Compassion, not merely a few lip-service statements by MMY. A 3 min video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG6ljqgf4CA #yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617 -- #yiv4941588617ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617ygrp-mkp #yiv4941588617hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617ygrp-mkp #yiv4941588617ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617ygrp-mkp .yiv4941588617ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617ygrp-mkp .yiv4941588617ad p {margin:0;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617ygrp-mkp .yiv4941588617ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617ygrp-sponsor #yiv4941588617ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617ygrp-sponsor #yiv4941588617ygrp-lc #yiv4941588617hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617ygrp-sponsor #yiv4941588617ygrp-lc .yiv4941588617ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv4941588617 #yiv4941588617activity span .yiv4941588617underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4941588617 .yiv4941588617attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv4941588617 .yiv4941588617attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4941588617 .yiv4941588617attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv4941588617 .yiv4941588617attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv4941588617 .yiv4941588617attach label a {text-decoration:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published
Thanks. If one or other of the authors is still at MUM maybe you could contact them. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a similar level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats. The 'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate as statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics who may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth about ™. They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : .. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the domes? It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the stated effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible such as safer cars. The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption." But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper? The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation. There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, though some journals rank 0. Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in this consciousness journal, that fewer scenentists are interested in stuff published here. If you are a scientist, not very good, and want to be published, then you look for lower ranked journals to try to get published. The journal wants almost $30 for a PDF of the full paper, which is only summarized by the PDF posted here. Does one of the scientists have a copy they could send you which you could post? They usually have these things on hand. The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta Connect | | | | | | | | | | | The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingen... By Cavanaugh, K.L. | | | | Another point, Scientific Journals are not Scripture. But continue to meditate. The byproducts of meditation, whatever they are, are not as important as enlightenment. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published Observations and correlations about meditation and well-being were made throughout the last half of the 20th Century in published pilot research. A rightly skeptical criticism of that body of scientific research conducted has been that much that was substantial was without “replication”. The challenge in 'repetition' from a general decline in the teaching of meditation to new practitioners and the separation of many experienced practitioners from organized group practice of group meditations in the 1990’s and 2000’s was then obtaining repetition in that scope of research occurring previously in the 1970’s and 1980’s in the shear size of those previous meditating groups to measure with controls. This scale of size recurred again, occurring for a period of time running between 2007 and 2010. These published papers as hypothesis testing appear now as 'critical' replications in the correlation process of science. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ArcherAngel, It would seem you could legitimately lodge your beefs on the research with the journals themselves and their peer review processes. It would be interesting to hear their responses. You did notice and open in the original post on this topic that a pdf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published
Mr. Hamilton, is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the domes? It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the stated effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible such as safer cars. The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption." But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper? The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation. There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, though some journals rank 0. Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in this consciousness journal, that fewer scenentists are interested in stuff published here. If you are a scientist, not very good, and want to be published, then you look for lower ranked journals to try to get published. The journal wants almost $30 for a PDF of the full paper, which is only summarized by the PDF posted here. Does one of the scientists have a copy they could send you which you could post? They usually have these things on hand. The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta Connect | | | | || | | | | | The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingen... By Cavanaugh, K.L. | | | | Another point, Scientific Journals are not Scripture. But continue to meditate. The byproducts of meditation, whatever they are, are not as important as enlightenment. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published Observations and correlations about meditation and well-being were made throughout the last half of the 20th Century in published pilot research. A rightly skeptical criticism of that body of scientific research conducted has been that much that was substantial was without “replication”. The challenge in 'repetition' from a general decline in the teaching of meditation to new practitioners and the separation of many experienced practitioners from organized group practice of group meditations in the 1990’s and 2000’s was then obtaining repetition in that scope of research occurring previously in the 1970’s and 1980’s in the shear size of those previous meditating groups to measure with controls. This scale of size recurred again, occurring for a period of time running between 2007 and 2010. These published papers as hypothesis testing appear now as 'critical' replications in the correlation process of science. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ArcherAngel, It would seem you could legitimately lodge your beefs on the research with the journals themselves and their peer review processes. It would be interesting to hear their responses. You did notice and open in the original post on this topic that a pdf of the research was included? As replication testing of hypothesis these papers seems significant, like to.. The probability that the reduced trend for motor vehicle fatalities could simply be due to chance was reported to be 3.7 in 10 million million and for fatalities due to other accidents, less than 8.4 in 1 million. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There are other explanations for this outside the TM organization's universe, it is attributed to better vehicle construction, and now that vehicles are appearing that can sense potential danger, the drop in fatalities should continue to go down. Correlation is not causation. One of the problems of designing a study is making sure there are no other plausible explanations for an effect, something TM scientists are particularly adept at avoiding. Those years also included the beginning of the recession and included large fluctuations in gasoline prices, perhaps people also drove less as prices increased. "Federal transportation officials believe that much of the credit for saving lives in accidents goes to the enhan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published
There are other explanations for this outside the TM organization's universe, it is attributed to better vehicle construction, and now that vehicles are appearing that can sense potential danger, the drop in fatalities should continue to go down. Correlation is not causation. One of the problems of designing a study is making sure there are no other plausible explanations for an effect, something TM scientists are particularly adept at avoiding. Those years also included the beginning of the recession and included large fluctuations in gasoline prices, perhaps people also drove less as prices increased. "Federal transportation officials believe that much of the credit for saving lives in accidents goes to the enhanced safety systems that are now available in many automobiles." Traffic Accident Fatalities Drop to Lowest Level in Decades | | | | || | | | | | Helmer, Conley & Kasselman, P.A. Put over 400 years of legal experience on your side. Contact us today for an initial consultation. We are here f... | | | | It would be nice if the TM effect could be studied under more controlled conditions, for if it is real, then scientists, not just those in the movement, would take notice. As it is, these effects are not believed outside the TM movement. Outside the movement, movement studies are mostly regarded as poor quality science designed for the promotion of TM rather than the discovery of truth. As long as this situation continues, the use of science this way denigrates the value of TM to this audience and ultimately undermines the purpose of doing studies. Example: The fact I lived in the United States during this period and engaged in certain activities during this time not related to meditation also has the same correlation with the reduction of accident fatalities. What were accident statistics prior to this period, when Dome numbers were often much higher, such as during the big courses in the 1980s? I think meditation is valuable, but there are other factors in TM science that need to be eliminated before the research is solid. The quality of meditation research, even outside the TM sphere, tends to be low. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published In the postmodern one would hope that public policy could be enlightened by science. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : These published papers are critical replications in the correlation of science. The statistical significance of a 8.4 in a million chance that these observations are just random should not be missed on people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Attached is a summary of a new Maharishi Effect article, just published in the Journal of Consciousness Studies, January-February 2017, authored by Dr. Kenneth Cavanaugh and Dr. Michael Dillbeck. Please feel free to share widely. "The study foundthat group practice of the Transcendental Meditation® and TM-Sidhi® program byparticipants in the Invincible America Assembly at Maharishi University of Management (MUM)was associated with a 20.6% reduction of US motor vehicle fatalities over thefour-year period 2007–2010. The rate of all other accidental deaths was alsoreduced by a total of 13.5% over the same period. The study estimates that 19,435 motor vehicle fatalities and16,759 other accidental deaths were averted by the significantly reduced trendsin accident rates. >From 2007–2010 thesize of the group was above or near 1,725 participants, the >size predicted tohave a positive influence on the US quality of life. This >predicted thresholdrepresents the square root of 1% of the US population." A new Maharishi Effect paper has just been published in the Journal of Consciousness Studies, January-February 2017, authored by Dr. Kenneth Cavanaugh and Dr. Michael Dillbeck. The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta Connect Keywords: TM-Sidhi programme; accidental fatality prevention; consciousness and collective behaviour; intervention analysis; motor vehicle fatality prevention; time series regression models INGENTACONNECT.COM #yiv3743026624 #yiv3743026624 -- #yiv3743026624ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3743026624 #yiv3743026624ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3743026624 #yiv3743026624ygrp-mkp #yiv3743026624hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3743026624 #yiv3743026624ygrp-mkp #yiv3743026624ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3743026624 #yiv3743026624ygrp-mkp .yiv3743026624ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3743026624 #yiv3743026624ygrp-mkp .yiv3743026624ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3743026624 #yiv3743026624ygrp-mkp .yiv3743026624ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Would AI Machines Voluntarily Go On a Mission to Go to
At our current speeds using the Pluto mission craft as a guide, it would take over 800,000 years to get there. Would you like to volunteer? You would have to make repairs along the way, as nothing we build as sophisticated as a spacecraft would last that long. If you meditate---a lot---and get enlightened on the way, the fear of death may be overcome before the craft goes dark and the temperature falls below 400 degrees below zero. From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Would AI Machines Voluntarily Go On a Mission to Go to the Nearest Star with Habitable Earth-like Planets? Yes, if they're programmed to do so by humans or their robotic creator. It appears to me that a fully intelligent machine would not voluntarily go on such a suicidal mission. But it would have to be programmed to follow a greater task--to find intelligent species in the exo-planet and report the findings back to mother Earth, or a designated AI location to monitor these findings for humans and their descendants in the future. #yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767 -- #yiv2164653767ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767ygrp-mkp #yiv2164653767hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767ygrp-mkp #yiv2164653767ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767ygrp-mkp .yiv2164653767ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767ygrp-mkp .yiv2164653767ad p {margin:0;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767ygrp-mkp .yiv2164653767ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767ygrp-sponsor #yiv2164653767ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767ygrp-sponsor #yiv2164653767ygrp-lc #yiv2164653767hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767ygrp-sponsor #yiv2164653767ygrp-lc .yiv2164653767ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767activity span .yiv2164653767underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv2164653767 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv2164653767 dd.yiv2164653767last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv2164653767 dd.yiv2164653767last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv2164653767 dd.yiv2164653767last p span.yiv2164653767yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767file-title a, #yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767file-title a:active, #yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767file-title a:hover, #yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767photo-title a, #yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767photo-title a:active, #yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767photo-title a:hover, #yiv2164653767 div.yiv2164653767photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv2164653767 div#yiv2164653767ygrp-mlmsg #yiv2164653767ygrp-msg p a span.yiv2164653767yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv2164653767 o {font-size:0;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv2164653767 #yiv2164653767reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv2164653767 .yiv2164653767replbq {margin:4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..
What is the definition of a Number One Experience? I have heard the term, but do not know what it refers to. Are there Number Two and Number Three experiences? Are these criterion written out somewhere? According to Vedanta, experiential enlightenment cannot last because whatever experience one is having it is dependent on the nervous system, and that changes constantly. An awakening experience has to be converted into knowledge in the mind for enlightenment to be persistent or abiding. I do recall Maharishi saying Unity was on the level of knowledge. While knowledge is an experience, it is not the same kind of experience as a particular state as it is always available if needed. The number of awakenings in the TM movement seem to be fewer than in some other spiritual groups, but there is never been a way to report such experiences in TM, they seem to be discouraged. And as the character of enlightenment is internal in the mind, who is going to be able to prove it anyway. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences.. Some awakened olderTM’ers reflecting.. ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not found a solution yet. #yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396 -- #yiv8010966396ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396ygrp-mkp #yiv8010966396hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396ygrp-mkp #yiv8010966396ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396ygrp-mkp .yiv8010966396ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396ygrp-mkp .yiv8010966396ad p {margin:0;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396ygrp-mkp .yiv8010966396ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396ygrp-sponsor #yiv8010966396ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396ygrp-sponsor #yiv8010966396ygrp-lc #yiv8010966396hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396ygrp-sponsor #yiv8010966396ygrp-lc .yiv8010966396ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396activity span .yiv8010966396underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8010966396 .yiv8010966396attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv8010966396 .yiv8010966396attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8010966396 .yiv8010966396attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv8010966396 .yiv8010966396attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv8010966396 .yiv8010966396attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8010966396 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv8010966396 .yiv8010966396bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv8010966396 .yiv8010966396bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8010966396 dd.yiv8010966396last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8010966396 dd.yiv8010966396last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8010966396 dd.yiv8010966396last p span.yiv8010966396yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396file-title a, #yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396file-title a:active, #yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396file-title a:hover, #yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396photo-title a, #yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396photo-title a:active, #yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396photo-title a:hover, #yiv8010966396 div.yiv8010966396photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8010966396 div#yiv8010966396ygrp-mlmsg #yiv8010966396ygrp-msg p a span.yiv8010966396yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv8010966396 .yiv8010966396green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv8010966396 .yiv8010966396MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv8010966396 o {font-size:0;}#yiv8010966396 #yiv8010966396photos div {float:lef
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Importance Of Group Meditation
Well, I am at a distance. Once I lived in Fairfield. I was experiencing some peculiar normalization that resulted in insomnia. Going to the dome, even living at MIU as it was called then, was problematical because of the weird sleep cycle. When I moved into town, I never went back to the dome, a deliberate and conscious decision, as it held no value for me. Being in the dome had no effect on my experience and thus there was no natural inclination to be there. I now have a better idea why that was the case. I have no objection to people who want to do group programs. I actually prefer meditating with small groups of new meditators on occasion, but am naturally disposed to solitude. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Importance Of Group Meditation Archer, from a distance view that is fine, your philosophical of ‘no-doing do-nothing’. Some of us live in Fairfield, Iowa, though, with this amazing facility for meditation that has just a couple hundred people meditating in it now. The question, (..what can be done?) is operational, what can be done in the community to better utilize the place by way of facilitating the meditating community that came here to meditate. Some damages clearly were done to a feeling of cohesion of the meditating community, what might the remediation look like to have more people meditating collectively again in Fairfield, Iowa? Archer Angel writes: ..that nothing need be done. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Should we create a dispensation for the meditators who do not attend group meditation in Fairfield, Iowa? What can we do? One could correlate from what science that we do know about group meditation that a large part of the tense psycho-spiritual problems we collectively face is rooted in the absentee meditators living here, those who do not attend to the collective meditation of Fairfield, Iowa. All those Art of Living people, the Oneness people, the Amma satsang and others. They seem to not care that they are given this opportunity, even at the weekday no-badge group meditation, and they make no effort. Those satsangs don’t even show up to meditate with others in collective group meditation as a practice where there is offered invitation. It is like they have a spiritual aloofness, a type of arrogance that keeps them from doing the spiritual work. What can be done to motivate them to open their hearts to communal practice?-JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In Transcendentalism, this becomes MMY’s great legacy along the line with George Fox or Jesus Christ "Where two or more are gathered..". This modern development, of natural sciences correlating with transcendentalism in modern time as the practical role of collective meditation, not only an individual experience is compelling in transcendental meditationism but now by virtue of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's articulation there is the evident science of collective practice of meditation on the whole. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The evidence for the Maharishi Effect continues to mount up. Another compelling, new study came out in February of this year, again based on publicly available statistics. This is a scientific breakthrough that outstrips all others in its power to do good for ourselves, our nation, and our world.Jai Guru DevRaja John Hagelin ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : When a person waters the root of life, when they begin to experience the transcendental field of their own existence, which is the treasure house of inexhaustible energy, and intelligence, and harmony and bliss then that as we know gets infused into their lives and their lives become so much better. They evolve, they grow, and they start to live in such a way that automatically their actions are in harmony with the laws of nature. "The public are invited to experience some degree of the power of a group meditation," ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : " Meditators notice that even in a group of two there is a greater settling of the mind, and this effect grows in accordance with how many people gather, says Colin. "Regular meditators have reported much stronger experiences of silence and bliss than they normally experience alone or in their usual groups of 2050 people...The public are invited to experience some degree of the power of a group meditation," -explains TM teacher, Colin Beckley ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Meissner-like
Re: [FairfieldLife] Who painted the Holy Tradition image
Francis Knight. Don't know when it was painted, but she revised it at some point, adding Maharishi to the painting. frances knight - About the Artist | | | | || | | | | | frances knight - About the Artist | | | | From: "X Y medinijyotishacc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 2:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Who painted the Holy Tradition image Any ideas as to who painted the Holy Tradition painting widely used in the movement and when it was done? http://www.booksontm.com/images/pic_holyyrad.jpg #yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986 -- #yiv0755953986ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mkp #yiv0755953986hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mkp #yiv0755953986ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mkp .yiv0755953986ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mkp .yiv0755953986ad p {margin:0;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mkp .yiv0755953986ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-sponsor #yiv0755953986ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-sponsor #yiv0755953986ygrp-lc #yiv0755953986hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-sponsor #yiv0755953986ygrp-lc .yiv0755953986ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986activity span .yiv0755953986underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0755953986 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0755953986 dd.yiv0755953986last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv0755953986 dd.yiv0755953986last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv0755953986 dd.yiv0755953986last p span.yiv0755953986yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986file-title a, #yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986file-title a:active, #yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986file-title a:hover, #yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986photo-title a, #yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986photo-title a:active, #yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986photo-title a:hover, #yiv0755953986 div.yiv0755953986photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0755953986 div#yiv0755953986ygrp-mlmsg #yiv0755953986ygrp-msg p a span.yiv0755953986yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv0755953986 o {font-size:0;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv0755953986 .yiv0755953986replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv0755953986 input, #yiv0755953986 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv0755953986 #yiv0755953986ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv0755953986 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv075595398
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Importance Of Group Meditation
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 2:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Importance Of Group Meditation Should we create a dispensation for the meditators who do not attend group meditation in Fairfield, Iowa? What can we do? One could correlate from what science that we do know about group meditation that a large part of the tense psycho-spiritual problems we collectively face is rooted in the absentee meditators living here, those who do not attend to the collective meditation of Fairfield, Iowa. All those Art of Living people, the Oneness people, the Amma satsang and others. They seem to not care that they are given this opportunity, even at the weekday no-badge group meditation, and they make no effort. Those satsangs don’t even show up to meditate with others in collective group meditation as a practice where there is offered invitation. It is like they have a spiritual aloofness, a type of arrogance that keeps them from doing the spiritual work. What can be done to motivate them to open their hearts to communal practice? It could be that, as has always happened, all these meditators, as well as everyone else, is simply functioning according to the laws of nature, and that nothing need be done. Ignorance of the laws of nature does not mean the laws are not functioning, it only means that some are not aware of that. The strife in life is caused by the mind not knowing, not because the laws are absent. Everything is as it is, and thus thinking things are not as they should be reveals a lack of understanding. It means the mind is acting from imagination rather than being grounded in the truth of the moment. Spiritual work is done by the whole (the entire universe or whatever you want to call the whole, what Maharishi called the aggregate), not the part. The purpose of spiritual work is to experience that expanse. Ignorance is thinking the part can usurp the power of the whole, that the part is in control. An individual human being is a part. If a human being experiences the whole, he or she is not concerned, for he or she need do nothing, it is done for them, they know they are not in control, they let go, they are calm. If they do not experience the whole, they may be concerned, but everything still happens out of their control. That is the arrogance, thinking you can control what is out of your hands, not that people do not do what you would have them do because you have a mental stance "they are wrong." An enlightened being is communal practice, for there is nothing about them that is not the whole. The purpose of communal practice for the ignorant is to keep their seeking enlightenment from getting sidetracked. But there are other ways to keep that focus, each according to his or her nature. In a cave, cooking for the family, cleaning a house, taking a walk in the park, talking with friends, and even, meditating. If you do not have to think about what you are doing even interacting with those who do cogitate their actions, you are in the hands of the laws of nature, meditating or not. Take it as it comes. You do not have to be in the Dome, or in a church, a meeting hall, or other supposedly spiritual place to do this. You carry the secret of the whole with you at every moment while wasting time trying to arrange the parts. #yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540 -- #yiv6562443540ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540ygrp-mkp #yiv6562443540hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540ygrp-mkp #yiv6562443540ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540ygrp-mkp .yiv6562443540ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540ygrp-mkp .yiv6562443540ad p {margin:0;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540ygrp-mkp .yiv6562443540ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540ygrp-sponsor #yiv6562443540ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540ygrp-sponsor #yiv6562443540ygrp-lc #yiv6562443540hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540ygrp-sponsor #yiv6562443540ygrp-lc .yiv6562443540ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv6562443540 #yiv6562443540activity span .yiv6562443540underline {text-d
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Consciousness Collapse the Wave Funtion?
I note that the TM scientists have never tried to measure the effect of the flying sutra in regards to gravity. It should be fairly easy to do. There seems to be an avoidance of doing any experiment that would conclusively demonstrate whether this effect is real or not. On a macroscopic scale (the size of a bacterium, or a human body, or a planet) the wave function is always collapsed except under very unusual conditions, for example, helium near absolute zero. From: "he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Consciousness Collapse the Wave Funtion? Just my two cents: I feel like for instance the flying suutra collapses the wave function associated with gravity to the "wrong" direction... #yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965 -- #yiv8715051965ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-mkp #yiv8715051965hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-mkp #yiv8715051965ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-mkp .yiv8715051965ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-mkp .yiv8715051965ad p {margin:0;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-mkp .yiv8715051965ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-sponsor #yiv8715051965ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-sponsor #yiv8715051965ygrp-lc #yiv8715051965hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-sponsor #yiv8715051965ygrp-lc .yiv8715051965ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965activity span .yiv8715051965underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8715051965 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8715051965 dd.yiv8715051965last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8715051965 dd.yiv8715051965last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8715051965 dd.yiv8715051965last p span.yiv8715051965yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965file-title a, #yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965file-title a:active, #yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965file-title a:hover, #yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965photo-title a, #yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965photo-title a:active, #yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965photo-title a:hover, #yiv8715051965 div.yiv8715051965photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8715051965 div#yiv8715051965ygrp-mlmsg #yiv8715051965ygrp-msg p a span.yiv8715051965yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv8715051965 o {font-size:0;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv8715051965 .yiv8715051965replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv8715051965ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv8715051965 #yiv871505196
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Consciousness Collapse the Wave Funtion?
These examples also do not take into account that experiments have been done to eliminate human awareness making a choice, the choice as to what to measure being made mechanically by apparatus after particles are on their way. The same correlations occur, so the collapse of the wave function, and spooky correlation between particles does not require human awareness during the experiment, as yifuxero mentions below, no conscious observer. To paraphrase Richard Feynman, we really do not understand quantum mechanics. We observe these effects but we do not know why it is that way. Meditation does bring about unusual experiences, but no serious discovery of relativity or quantum mechanics has ever been discovered using TM techniques. The kind of knowledge that meditation brings is of a different sort, and mixing that with physics is problematical to say the least. From: "yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Consciousness Collapse the Wave Funtion? Thxyour last statement on TM doesn't make sense. Lots of things demonstrate consciousness. You haven't given any evidence showing that (specifically), TM is in any way a superior mode of Consciousness as opposed to (say), a rooster observing the experiment and with his beak, making a choice.Even cockroaches can be observers, but they don't practice TM Why does TM demonstrate a superior mode of consciousness as opposed to an experimenter not practicing TM?Besides, you haven't answered the question of times/places in which there were no conscious observers. (then no wave function collapse). Next, the Copenhagen Interpretation (which relies on conscious observers), is only one of several major Interpretations (at least 8), that rely on the concept of collapse of the wave function resulting from conscious observers. David Bohm's quantum interpretation has no need for conscious observers and states that the collapse of the wave function is simply an observation of the state at that time.Likewise, Hugh Everett's Multiverse interpretation doesn't need the collapse of the wave function. Last but least, you can't dance around the entry posted from Wikipedia on Hagelin. His statements have little credit outside of TM "True Believers". And talking about agendas, it's clear he has one, and it's not "the truth". #yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696 -- #yiv5298187696ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696ygrp-mkp #yiv5298187696hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696ygrp-mkp #yiv5298187696ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696ygrp-mkp .yiv5298187696ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696ygrp-mkp .yiv5298187696ad p {margin:0;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696ygrp-mkp .yiv5298187696ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696ygrp-sponsor #yiv5298187696ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696ygrp-sponsor #yiv5298187696ygrp-lc #yiv5298187696hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696ygrp-sponsor #yiv5298187696ygrp-lc .yiv5298187696ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv5298187696 #yiv5298187696activity span .yiv5298187696underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5298187696 .yiv5298187696attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv5298187696 .yiv5298187696attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5298187696 .yiv5298187696attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv5298187696 .yiv5298187696attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv5298187696 .yiv5298187696attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5298187696 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv5298187696 .yiv5298187696bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv5298187696 .yiv5298187696bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5298187696 dd.yiv5298187696last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5298187696 dd.yiv5298187696last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5298187696 dd.yiv5298187696last p span.yiv5298187696yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv5298187696 div.yiv5298187696attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#y
Re: [FairfieldLife] I think I'll move to that chair
I have heard this story too, but in the version I heard, Maharishi directed that a camera be set up to run automatically, and no indication of there being a group around him. That is, the story is some people have been said to have seen such a video of Maharishi levitating, but those telling the story have not seen it. If there is an original source for the story, that seems to be lost in the retelling. That this story seems to be in multiple versions could be an indication it is just made up. Back in the early days of the Sidhis courses there were all sorts of rumors, such as governors controlling the weather and so forth. My impression of governors coming back from these courses was they were not all that confident of their status as Sidhas. So far there is no documented evidence that any of these stories are true. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't really have any better information but the story I read was that the Purusha who were recording everything on tape inadvertently witnessed this. There was no indication in that story that Maharishi was aware of being on camera or wanted to be. From: "upfron...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 9:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] I think I'll move to that chair When I used to live in a 'TM Academy' (before thepowers-that-be decided to sell the English buildings) a friend, one of the ‘Perusha Governors’, told me that some of them (resident Perusha Governors) had been shown avideo of Maharishi lifting up and out of one chair and floating over to anotherchair and landing down in it. Is this something which should not be seen outside of thecorrect setting? Or, I suppose, the person who told me this could be wrong forsome reason - however I see no reason whatsoever for someone in his position with hiscommitment to Truth to consciously voice anything but what is true. Does anybody have a valid comment on this aforementioned Maharishivideo? PS. Happy Christmas. #yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354 -- #yiv1902143354ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354ygrp-mkp #yiv1902143354hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354ygrp-mkp #yiv1902143354ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354ygrp-mkp .yiv1902143354ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354ygrp-mkp .yiv1902143354ad p {margin:0;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354ygrp-mkp .yiv1902143354ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354ygrp-sponsor #yiv1902143354ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354ygrp-sponsor #yiv1902143354ygrp-lc #yiv1902143354hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354ygrp-sponsor #yiv1902143354ygrp-lc .yiv1902143354ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv1902143354 #yiv1902143354activity span .yiv1902143354underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1902143354 .yiv1902143354attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv1902143354 .yiv1902143354attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1902143354 .yiv1902143354attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1902143354 .yiv1902143354attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv1902143354 .yiv1902143354attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1902143354 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv1902143354 .yiv1902143354bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv1902143354 .yiv1902143354bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1902143354 dd.yiv1902143354last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1902143354 dd.yiv1902143354last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1902143354 dd.yiv1902143354last p span.yiv1902143354yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv1902143354 div.yiv1902143354attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1902143354 div.yiv1902143354attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv1902143354 div.yiv1902143354file-title a, #yiv1902143354 div.yiv1902143354file-title a:active, #yiv1902143354 div.yiv1902143354file-title a:hover, #yiv1902143354 div.yiv1902143354file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1902143354 div.yiv1902143354photo-title a, #yiv1902143354 div.yiv1902143354photo-title a:activ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL trumped??
This seems to be what is known about the hacks as far as what has been released publicly: - Russia orchestrated the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations of the Democratic Party. - Russia's hacks were aimed at helping Trump, according to the CIA, while other US intelligence agencies do not commit to this. - Russia breached GOP individuals and organizations prior to the election. - Republican House members. - GOP thought leaders. - GOP non-profits. - Some evidence the Russian government bankrolled "troll farms" that spread fake news about Clinton. - Found digital footprints of individuals tied to the Russian government who had been on intelligence agencies radar before. There appears to be little evidence that actual voting was hacked leaving the influence of the information released and the influence of fake news as factors that could sway peoples' minds. There were also plenty of false and inaccurate statements made by the campaign participants themselves that apparently influenced people as well, so it is difficult to quantify how much this might have swayed voters. Influence is a better word than stolen in this case. To steal votes would require that votes, say for Clinton, were transferred illegally to Trump in the voting precincts. To steal means take another person's property without permission or legal right and without intending to return it. The election of 1948 is widely regarded as the greatest upset of all time. Harry S. Truman, who had ascended to the presidency after Franklin D. Roosevelt's death, was given zero chance to win — his approval rating was 36 percent. He'd come up through one of the most notoriously corrupt party machines of the time, and he’d been fighting a Republican Congress since 1946. Henry Wallace, a former vice president, broke away from the Democrats and ran as a "Progressive" candidate. The Democratic establishment launched several frantic "Dump Truman" efforts. At the convention in Philadelphia, a mass of southern delegates walked out in a dispute over a civil rights platform plank, later to run Strom Thurmond as the States Rights Party candidate. It was all about the Republican-controlled 80th Congress, which Truman castigated for what it hadn't done. Truman promised to call the Congress back into special session in two week's time, on July 26, and he did. The Republicans blocked every measure Truman proposed, including civil rights, social security and health care legislation. The Democratic Party had a severe three-way ideological split, with both the far left (Henry A. Wallace of the Progressive Party) and far right of the Party (Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond) running third-party campaigns. Virtually every prediction (with or without public opinion polls) indicated that Truman would be defeated by Republican Thomas Dewey. On election night, Thomas Dewey, his family, and campaign staff confidently gathered in the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City to await the returns. Dewey realized that he was in trouble when early returns from New England and New York showed him running well behind his expected vote total. He stayed up for the rest of the night and early morning analyzing the votes as they came in. By 10:30 a.m., he was convinced that he had lost; at 11:14 a.m., he sent a gracious telegram of concession to Truman. From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL trumped?? Emily, Electoral votes can be stolen by hacking the election process just as the Russians did. As I remember, Trump had narrow victories in several states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio. If Trump, with the help of the Russians, hacked the election system in these states then Trump illegally won the 40 or so electoral votes which were needed to get the 270 electoral votes needed to win the election. But the FBI does not tell us the extent of the hacking. Did the Russians add ghost votes in these states to win the states' electoral votes? If the election voting was rigged to upend the final electoral vote tallies, then the Russians have committed a major revolution without firing a single shot. It appears that Hillary Clinton has a major cause to protest the election results due to the hacking by the Russians. In addition, the Russians could have help the Trump campaign with sophisticated forecasting techniques, using the latest algorithms in artificial intelligent machines. As such, Trump was able to manipulate the opinions and sentiments of the American people. The FBI has the responsibility to tell Americans if the results of the election validly reflected the people's will. If not, then the true winner of the election should be declared. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Feeding Fairfield, Iowa !
Food is an interesting concept in spirituality. I do not think there is any real evidence that spiritual growth and enlightenment require more than basic adequate nutrition. The whole idea of purity and so forth does not take into account the body's immense flexibility in extracting nutrition from available food. Obviously some food and eating habits can result in not feeling well or potential illness, but for the most part people do well eating whatever is available. Spiritual systems have resulted in all kinds of special diets, but there is no consistency among them when you compare them. People eating similar diets in different countries seem to have different outcomes as far as disease and longevity, except perhaps if you eat at McDonald's everyday. Some are vegetarian, some are not. The idea of purity is applied liberally in selection and preparation and killing of food for consumption, but exactly what is purity? If consciousness is "pure" and everything is a function of that, what difference does it make? Everything has equal purity in unity, as it is all experienced as consciousness, the same essential pure value lies at the heart of everything, every action. As far as food, with current productions methods, there is going to be a food shortage in the world by about 2050. So we could ask, what is crop yield of "Vedic agriculture" compared to say "industrialized agriculture" or compared to a home garden? Does it have something to really offer, or is it just an elitist parochial spiritual system diet that hangs out with particular beliefs about food? Science says that the body needs protein, carbohydrates, fat, and various other chemicals called vitamins and minerals in a certain specific range of amount. Do all these other considerations about food have any additional effect beyond the required nutrition? If you say a prayer over food, or stir it a certain direction when cooking does anything really happen as a result? Has anybody ever run a test to see if a food produced in another country has a different effect than eating the same food produced nearby? Virtually none of the food we eat today is in its genetically wild, natural, original state, it has been modified by selection, by breeding, by hybridization, and now by genetic engineering. I suspect that the idea that something bad will happen if you do not eat a certain way as prescribed by various spiritual systems cannot be verified as true. The basic idea of spiritual eating seems to be restriction, if you eat such-and-such, bad things will happen. You can eat too much, just enough, or fast. Fasting is a common food restriction in spiritual systems, and maybe that has some value, there is scientific evidence that fasting may increase longevity. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 1:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Feeding Fairfield, Iowa ! Fairfield, Iowa, serves as proxy for a drama that is being played out across the entire country. Tenet of the Fairfield meditating community is that purity and wholesomeness of food is essential to development of consciousness. Demand is high in Fairfield, Iowa for sustainable, organic local foods. Documentary in a small town.. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/feeding-fairfield-a-look-at-sourcing-local-food#/ Feeding Fairfield!Frugal essential food for an ascetic spiritual people. #yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351 -- #yiv1461924351ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351ygrp-mkp #yiv1461924351hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351ygrp-mkp #yiv1461924351ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351ygrp-mkp .yiv1461924351ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351ygrp-mkp .yiv1461924351ad p {margin:0;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351ygrp-mkp .yiv1461924351ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351ygrp-sponsor #yiv1461924351ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351ygrp-sponsor #yiv1461924351ygrp-lc #yiv1461924351hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351ygrp-sponsor #yiv1461924351ygrp-lc .yiv1461924351ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1461924351 #yiv1461924351activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv146192
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
One of the features of "awakening" is the surprise. All along you are expecting to come to pass what you have been taught, but real awakening is transcendental to this, goes beyond what you knew. This is the transition from Unity to Brahman, when the illusion, as it is called, "that which is not" passes away. The veil hiding and obscuring the experience of what is alleged to be reality lifts. The term "that which is not" — Maya — is truly that, for in passing it never existed and the reality of what had always been experienced from the very beginning is seen to be what was sought. Nothing happened, the reality, such that a man can experience, was out in the open all the time, for all to see. This comes as a pleasant surprise for some, and less so for others, for it reveals that the path, all that one took for spirituality along the way was in fact the illusion in just another guise, that illusion you tried to overcome, by meditation and all the other modalities. In becoming spiritual, you merely adopted another form of the mistake of the intellect, believing it knowledge while it really was just the same as what was abandoned as non spiritual. This does not negate the value of those techniques and learning, but they were merely a thorn to remove a thorn. And meditation continues to be valuable but it serves another purpose now because that desire known as seeking simply disappears. Having found what you are, here and now, there is nowhere to go. Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. And the knowledge in this end point has interesting ramifications, to say the least. Because the spiritual path has ended, the evolution after realization is trackless, there is not a path whatever, but still you must learn because all that came before is now seen as an illusion, as unreal, as not true and now you have what is true, and it is not what you thought. To reveal a truth, you were given a lie (the thorn that removes a thorn), and that lie was whatever you learned on the way. Some people retreat from this, it can be so shocking if unprepared for it, and in the TM movement, there is almost no preparation for this, that the spiritual path was just another form of what you supposed you were escaping from, the unsatisfactory nature of life as an individual in a hostile world. It bolstered you with a belief in a better time to help get you over some of the hurdles. The real hurdle is that life is the same as it always was and now it must be met head on. There is no escape. But the perspective of enlightenment is different, in that knowing there is no escape with an absolute finality, eliminates the possibility of retreat into another fantasy. And now is the time to learn to live life, to embrace the art of living, now there is no excuse to avoid embracing life in all its difficulties. "You are the world" as they say and as such there is nowhere to hide from it, no more hiding behind illusions. The learning that may have been so desperately sought really begins here, and you have to learn all by yourself. The spiritual path was prep work, not the final work. As if TC, CC, GC, UC were elementary school, middle school, high school, and college. But enlightenment is where you start to work on your post doctorate, where you are independent, there are no teachers, you learn by doing and coordinating your realization with world. This is the part that most meditators think meditation is going to accomplish, but the meditation was preparing you for this, making you strong enough for this so the job at hand would not be overwhelming. For some it might still be difficult, for others maybe easy. Even so, you have an imagined choice, if you like, to continue with others in this, or just be alone, because really there are no others. There is no group, there is only consciousness. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN! Evidently in more than ‘awakening’ spiritually, a further cultivation evidently is in what one can do with it. Interestingly, in SRF (Self-Realization Foundation, Yogananda’s teaching) they start with moral development in a study sequence of material and then in the sequence students learn meditation. These are deep meditators. For them meditation is not just secular relief of stress but essential spiritual cultivation in the sequence in developing the human being. Threefold, for instance Ammachi freely urges practitioners on in their cultivation of spiritual progress and incarnational embodiment essentially through: moral character development in a reading and study of elevated writings, cultivating spiritual practices of meditation, and thirdly being of self-less service to others, of help to others, actively. TM in a personality split can have a context background of religious cultural or spiritu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
A sample of scientific research on mindfulness meditation, which is actually researched more than TM. The proprietary nature of TM teaching seems to restrict the possibilities of more directly comparative studies. The studies on TM are also mentioned. 76 Scientific Benefits of Meditation | Live and Dare | | | | || | | | | | 76 Scientific Benefits of Meditation | Live and Dare Summary of the main scientific research on the benefits of meditation, covering the different types of meditatio... | | | | #yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436 -- #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp #yiv3748131436hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp #yiv3748131436ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp .yiv3748131436ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp .yiv3748131436ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp .yiv3748131436ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-sponsor #yiv3748131436ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-sponsor #yiv3748131436ygrp-lc #yiv3748131436hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-sponsor #yiv3748131436ygrp-lc .yiv3748131436ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span .yiv3748131436underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 dd.yiv3748131436last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3748131436 dd.yiv3748131436last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3748131436 dd.yiv3748131436last p span.yiv3748131436yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436file-title a, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436file-title a:active, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436file-title a:hover, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436photo-title a, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436photo-title a:active, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436photo-title a:hover, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 div#yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg #yiv3748131436ygrp-msg p a span.yiv3748131436yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv3748131436 o {font-size:0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv3748131436 input, #yiv3748131436 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv3748131436 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv3748131436 #
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
An interesting article comparing mantra-based meditation with mindfulness meditation. Note the final paragraph. Mantra Practice vs. Mindfulness | | | Mantra Practice vs. Mindfulness | | | From: "yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 1:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN! Thxhis phrase "all other types of meditation" only applies to the limited sample of the control group types, not literally "all types". No mention of Mindfulness.. No mention of Oxytocin levels which correlate to the feeling of compassionate awareness that could go farther toward a more complete description of meditative states than the Default mode. The default mode is limited in scope, since it doesn't involve activation of the polyvagal system. That's where compassion comes in. #yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443 -- #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp #yiv1526795443hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp #yiv1526795443ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp .yiv1526795443ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp .yiv1526795443ad p {margin:0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp .yiv1526795443ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-sponsor #yiv1526795443ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-sponsor #yiv1526795443ygrp-lc #yiv1526795443hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-sponsor #yiv1526795443ygrp-lc .yiv1526795443ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span .yiv1526795443underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 dd.yiv1526795443last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1526795443 dd.yiv1526795443last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1526795443 dd.yiv1526795443last p span.yiv1526795443yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443file-title a, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443file-title a:active, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443file-title a:hover, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443photo-title a, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443photo-title a:active, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443photo-title a:hover, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 div#yiv1526795443ygrp-mlmsg #yiv1526795443ygrp-msg p a span.yiv1526795443yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv1526795443 o {font-size:0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mlmsg table {font-
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
That is rather interesting. It confirms my experience with TM versus other types when I started. More recently however the experience is they are all similar but then my mind has undergone a lot transformations in the last few years or so. The main difference now is the mind is far more silent even in activity so I can just sit and be silent even without meditating. Basically as time goes on the contrasts of experience that a non-meditator or a new meditator experiences become less and less, although I think the time interval for this to occur varies a lot among individuals. My experience with the movement is they are not keen on making comprehensive comparisons with other meditations. >From a scientific point of view, enlightenment is kind of undefined, >consciousness is undefined, so designing an experiment that investigates what >meditation is supposed to accomplish is currently impossible. So the tests are more superficial, such as levels of rest, or mental focus and some chemical changes in the blood. It is clear these other meditations do sometimes have a profound effect and result in enlightenment and that some take to them more easily than TM, but I do not think this is the majority case. I recall a newspaper article long ago where the author mentioned that people practicing TM found more success than with other types they tried. That was the case for me. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 1:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN! ..activity in the "default mode network" (DMN), which is a large-scale brain network involving areas in the front and back of the brain that are active when one's eyes are closed and one is following internal thoughts. perhaps reflecting.. This could indicate.. assertions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : | New Research Validates Hallmark of Transcendental Meditation — EffortlessnessA new study on MUM students by Fred Travis shows EEG patterns of the Transcendental Meditation® technique that distinguish it from other approaches to meditation and that validate the assertion that it's an effortless practice."Transcendental Meditation uses a mantra, and for this reason some researchers maintain that it involves focused attention and controlling the mind," Dr. Travis said. "This study supports the experience of people who practice Transcendental Meditation that it's easy to learn and effortless to practice."There were two key findings that suggest the technique is effortless and natural. First, the students who had been meditating for a month reported the same frequency of experiences of Transcendental Consciousness as those who had been meditating for five years."This supports the understanding that Transcendental Meditation uses the natural tendency of the mind to transcend — to move from active thinking to deep, inner silence," Dr. Travis said. "Extensive practice doesn't make a natural process go any better."The second finding deals with activity in the "default mode network" (DMN), which is a large-scale brain network involving areas in the front and back of the brain that are active when one's eyes are closed and one is following internal thoughts. DMN activity is high when a person just sits with his or her eyes closed, and low when one opens one's eyes and interacts with the world.The study reports that activity in the DMN remained high during Transcendental Meditation practice. In contrast, it decreases in all other types of meditation — since they involve focus and control of the mind. Indeed, the study found that the default mode network was as high during Transcendental Meditation practice as during eyes-closed rest, which is used as the benchmark for default mode network activity.However, Dr. Travis found two important differences between Transcendental Meditation and eyes-closed rest. Eyes-closed rest had more beta brain waves in areas of the brain associated with memory and motor aspects of speech production, perhaps reflecting the mental chatter that goes on when one's eyes are closed, Dr. Travis said.Transcendental Meditation had more theta brain waves in orbitofrontal areas associated with reward anticipation."This could indicate the movement of the mind to more charming levels of thought during transcending," Dr. Travis said. "The meditators' attention was absorbed in the inner march of the mind, attracted by the increasing charm of finer levels of mental functioning." Works cited: The Review, Vol 32, #6 | #yiv6146603940 #yiv6146603940 -- #yiv6146603940ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv6146603940 #yiv6146603940ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv6146603940 #yiv6146603940ygrp-mkp #yiv6146603940hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv6146603940 #yiv6146603940ygrp-mkp #yiv6
[FairfieldLife] Election, Jefferson County, Iowa
While there did not seem to be enough people in the domes for the United States in this last Presidential election, there were certainly enough for Jefferson County, Iowa. Trump won over Clinton by 51% to 46% of the vote in Jefferson County. So what does this mean in relation to the support of the laws of nature, the TM techniques, TM group practices and elections? Quite a lot of meditators I know seemed rather surprised at the result.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
You do realize you are mostly talking to yourself here? I meditate when and where I want, or can, depending on the situation, and without regard to philosophies as to whether it can influence others. My concern has only been enlightenment, all other goals are subordinate, are less important, and my own experience has been group practices are not that important compared with desire to succeed, particularly if unification is well advanced. Enlightenment does not result in a monolithic viewpoint among a group of people. And the reason is enlightenment is not about acquiring anything. It is about losing ignorance. An enlightened man and an ignorant one can be in the same room, in the same situation. So what does that solve other than the two might see that situation differently? If doing less and accomplishing more means anything, why not do nothing and accomplish everything? Doing nothing does not require group meditation or programs. Learning "how" to do nothing though does require some attention, usually decades for most. By the way, the entire subsequent history of the universe will be post this election. There will likely be other elections, but the result of this last one has not yet happened, because the people who won are not in office yet, and yet everyone thinks they know what will happen. If group meditation had an effect, then the result of this election could be that effect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Waging radical peace... Hagelin's Premise.. Peer-reviewed, published, replicated, honest-to-goodness, gold-standard scientific research leads us to make this heartfelt request of you: Come and join us for meditation in Fairfield, Iowa for this post-election period of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hagelin's Premise, A premise large in assertion and direction like a Monroe Doctrine, The Marshall Plan or the Meissner-like Maharishi Effect, now as matter of statistical fact: The Hagelin Premise. Hagelin’s Premise : It is time to rally to meditation by all that the best of modern science tells us is statistical truth and by what we know more objectively in our experience as quite fair rule of thumb. It is quite time now to come together in collective meditation for all that is good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Discourses at the Ammachi darshans in Detroit this week were a lot about making a connection of cultivating/gaining spiritual strength from spiritual practices along with compassionate humanitarianism, as you say. Light in the body, feet on the ground. "Do the work." Yifuxero writes: Thx, the case of a connection between Transcendence and compassionate humanitarianism, perhaps can be undermined or even dismissed from a Neo-Advaitic viewpoint by saying that Transcendence alone does not imply any particular action. However, recent research coming from several areas does indeed bolster the connection between Transcendence (if done by enough people) and Global Peace.; but I must object to the idea that MMY made those connections. The new argument can be bolstered by merging 3 sources: 1. Sam Harris, 2. The polyvagal axis theory, and 3. the brain's production of Oxytocin, which is part of (2). First, from Neurophysiologist Harris: (a reasoned hypothesis) That silent medication may lead to increased awareness which leads to Empathy for others (an ability to feel what others are feeling, in some way). Finally, the increased ability to Empathize leads to what the Buddhists call Compassion (related to the love concept but slightly different). 2. Second, the Polyvagal axis, already covered on this forum. Thx Doug for introducing this to the forum.. 3. The measurement of Oxytocin output after the subject engages in various experimental activities. Oxytocin is the body's "Love molecule". For example, petting animals might stimulate hormone. High up on the list of activities that generate an Oxy response is Compassionate meditation: (silent meditation coupled with a feeling of Compassion). Therefore the missing ingredient not emphasized by MMY to any great extent is Compassion. Shalom Aleichem ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, the Domes in Fairfield quite evidently are activating places spiritually too like these places are for an individual or collective. There certainly is a reality to that. Like sitting in gathered Quaker meetings meditating In effect wages peace as place more profoundly founded in what is a silence of their spiritual processes. Waging Peace now given these agitated and divided times, the imperative seems to rise as we come to know more. This becomes like a duty. Duty for those who know how to pursue and wage radical peace spiritually. To the call..to help, -JaiGuruYou Yifuxero writes: On the topic of group vs solitary meditation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Countering a Post-Modern Spiritual Disabling of the Human Being..
Yes. What seemed distinctly a single category splits in two when you learn about "spirit." Eventually it all come back together again. Materialism, Spirituality, Non-Duality, Monism. All the same. How many ways can you cut a deck of cards? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thx, there's no clear-cut distinction between materialism and Spirituality, since any particular materialistic item or even can conceivably be transmuted into something allied toward the goal of Enlightening everybody in the Universe. (a Mahayana Buddhist goal). OTOH, a materialist can be defined as a person who worships (in a fashion), anything/anybody as separate from purusha. But even that definition breaks down since (for example), the Hare Krishnas claim that their conception of Deity involves ONLY the "appearances and pasttimes" of Krishna; and to even desire realization of the Impersonal Absolute (purusha) is a heresy. Likewise, Fundamentalist Christians are only interested in establishing a relative, dualistic relationship between themselves and Jesus, and to even consider "Gnosis" is completely out of bounds and would entail shunning and exclusion from one's Congregation. Similarly, the Transcendentalist Spinoza was kicked out of his local Jewish Congregation and shunned. ,,, The bottom line: Fundamentalists involved in dualistic devotion as an activity apparently separate from purusha represent simply : the status of the evolutionary condition of those persons; and in terms of raw numbers, there's far more Southern Baptists in any middle or small town than the numbers of persons that Ammachi can gather together in CA. I'm just reporting on the way things are, not the way things "should" be. The Fundamentalists would vehemently deny that they are materialists. There must be a vast gray area of transitional categories. Ultimately, logic fails us in this discussion. By way of example, when Katrina hit LA and other states, how many Quietists showed up on the scene to help rebuild devastated homes. Otoh, large numbers of S. Baptists which tools in their hands rushed in immediately before FEMA to voluntarily rebuild homes. (and those persons with hammers and nails in their hands are materialists?). The definition of Spirituality should be broadened, imo. Where to draw the line? Nowhere. As soon as you draw the line somewhere, another person can come in with an exception or move the line or the goalpost..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quietist Revolution
Transcendentalism and Quietism have philosophically at their basis, withdrawal. That is a recessive quality, a retreat, and that cannot stand up to more forceful attitudes such as ramming a dogma down someone's throat. Quietism was condemned as a heresy in the Catholic Church, wrongly elevating contemplation over meditation, intellectual stillness over vocal prayer, and interior passivity over pious action. (Note the words here are used in a different sense than in TM.) This problem cannot be overcome unless it is realized that transcendence and stillness are techniques to expand experience, to expand the nature of the mind. They are not ends in themselves, they are methods. Also these methods become objectified. Moving from a state of experience not previously known to a state of knowing is a transcendence, a going beyond, but just for the moment. Once you have the result, it is in hand. It is not transcendent. Thus it is improper to say you are experiencing "the Transcendent," because any state transcendent to what you are experiencing is not experienced. Transcendence is a method to get from A to B, a state of experience, not a state of objects. First you just have A. Then B, and finally AB. You are looking for a state of experience, not a thing. In TM this would be A, B (TC), A|B (CC), and AB (UC). So ultimately transcendence comes to an end because there is no further to go, the method, having established a unified experience, no longer has anything to do. If there is success in the pursuit of unity, you cannot be a Transcendentalist because there is nothing transcendent to what your experience is. You might be quiet, but not a Quietist. The word transcendence thought of objectively symbolizes the goal in a somewhat inaccurate way, but is not the goal itself but the path to it. The goal itself has no name and no definable qualities and is not located anywhere in particular. It is as if nothing at all, making approach a thorny problem except for the fact that it is your own experience. Thus it is close at hand at all times, which removes the problem of distance. Because it is at hand, the problem is not where it is, but your own ignorance of it. The lack is therefore in your own mind in the form of beliefs, opinions, conditioned behavior, and general inattention to the nature of experience as an aspect of living. This is why introspective methods, such as inward contemplation, and non-verbal meditation methods, and meditation methods that result in pure silence (like TM) are useful to illuminate and allow the mind's faults, which revolve around the way it thinks and feels, to dissipate. Unlike warfare, these methods represent, as said, a retreat from your current situation, not a battle with it. Perhaps this is why they lose out in the marketplace, they do not appear to meet a problem head on. Once dissipated, things are clear as day for what you sought is not something different from what you have always been, or is somewhere else than where you are. Knowledge replaces ignorance, but it is not knowledge as something learned. What you had learned was the problem. You need to lose an awful lot, to experience what is called enlightenment. Loss is not what people tend to aim for in their lives. You have to lie a lot to induce people to consider enlightenment as a valid goal in life, to make it seem as if they are going to get something out of it when in fact they will lose everything that is currently preventing them from the experience. #yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251 -- #yiv3048578251ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251ygrp-mkp #yiv3048578251hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251ygrp-mkp #yiv3048578251ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251ygrp-mkp .yiv3048578251ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251ygrp-mkp .yiv3048578251ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251ygrp-mkp .yiv3048578251ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251ygrp-sponsor #yiv3048578251ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251ygrp-sponsor #yiv3048578251ygrp-lc #yiv3048578251hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251ygrp-sponsor #yiv3048578251ygrp-lc .yiv3048578251ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv3048578251 #yiv3048578251activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv304857
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
War is evil, and the moral equivalent of war is evil. You are using the wrong terminology. If meditation brings peace, it is the antithesis of war, and of evil. It does not achieve its results by conflict, but by stilling conflict. The universe shows no signs of morality. Morality does not come from the gods. It is a derivative of social communal interaction for the common good. It comes from us. The peace of meditation enhances the morality of those already inclined in that direction, but there are many, many long time meditators that show no sense of moral value at all. Meditation makes what already exists better defined and understood, but it does not change reality, it reveals reality. Maharishi's World Plan does not appear in any way to have been a success except within individual minds. The world is still in as much turmoil now as it was. Look at what happened in the tale of the Bhagavad-Gita. Arjuna gains supreme knowledge, and yet he saved, in essence, no one, and was a major agent in destroying everyone involved in that conflict. As a social grace, those that like to meditate together is fine for them. It brings a feeling of security in numbers. But the goal is self-sufficiency and that means to achieve the same security without those numbers behind your back. Every spiritual organization that has ever proclaimed a heaven on Earth has never achieved that goal. Inside their little group maybe, but outside, the same old chaos and divisiveness. It is a nice thought though. Simply repeating the same refrain does not a heaven make, it means something is stuck and cannot move on. "What we mean by intelligence is the thing we do that ensures that the problem is efficiently solved and in a way that makes it appear effortless. And stupidity is a set of rules that we use to ensure that the problem will be solved in longer than chance or never and is nevertheless pursued with alacrity and enthusiasm." —David Krakauer* *David Krakauer is President and William H. Miller Professor of Complex Systems at the Santa Fe Institute. His research explores the evolution of intelligence on earth. This includes studying the evolution of genetic, neural, linguistic, social and cultural mechanisms supporting memory and information processing, and exploring their generalities. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Waging Peace. Meditators!It is time for Waging Radical Peace, in groups meditating, this call now to meditation is The Moral Equivalent of War. Meditators, this meditation against war is going to be no holiday excursion or camping party. The post-election feelings of division are too deeply grounded to abdicate their place until better ideals as substitutes are offered than the glory and shame that come to people and nations by politics and vicissitudes of trade and commerce in making war. It is time, forThe Moral Equivalent of War: radical modern peace-making, in meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We are most grateful to all those who came answering the call and sat up in their meditations with us in Fairfield, Iowa. It has been our honor to have had those who traveled from distant places joining alongside us here in collective meditation in these times. -JaiGuruYou Those of you that have been going to the Domes recently will be aware that many of our friends from across the country have joined us here in Fairfield over the last week or so, and they have helped boost the overall attendance in evening program to over 750 people. If you arent able to attend any of the official flying halls, please try to do group program together with friends in 2s, 3s, 4s, etc., whatever is convenient, and aim to start your yogic flying practice at the official CST times of 8:15 am and 5:45 pm. Jai Guru Dev Raja John Hagelin and theIdeal Community Group Bhairitu writes: I think Doug is lost in the nostalgia of early 1970s TM which ended when the "self appointed" purity gestapo returned from AofE courses. On 11/16/2016 11:01 AM, upfronter [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well, forgive this voicing of a different viewpoint, but this one's personal opinion is that one genuine disciplined meditator meditating regularly amongst 100 non-meditators is more effective in society than 100 meditators meditating amongst themselves - although there is certainly a beneficial social family aspect which cannot be denied from similar association on such a deep level. Besides, I personally have a different spiritual philosophy to that expounded by Maharishi, one which differs in certain fundamental aspects, it would seem, one which touches both my heart and mind deeply in a manner that leaves no room for the grafting of branches from other trees. I’m not sure I could listen to too m
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
The moderator here seems to be more religiously oriented than the typical TM meditator. I think the average TM meditator is a bit more secular. As for his comments about grace they appear to be "the free and unmerited favor of God" which is basically a Christian idea, even though the idea of spiritual grace appears in other traditions. If you are ill and someone cares for you, that is a kind of grace. Grace is simple elegance or refinement of movement, a kind of beauty that soothes and takes away the ache. One feels a kind of grace on learning any meditation that is effective as it takes the edge off living. As awareness becomes clearer, the nature of grace begins to shift from something that is done to you or done for your benefit to something that is what you are. The attribution of grace then shifts from persons, traditions, what people have told us, to a function of the world as a whole. As we become that world and our ego-nature subsides the idea and significance of grace fades away as an unreality. In a unity there is nothing that does something to something else except on a superficial level of change. The nature of experience at that point forbids the idea that something happened to get to that state, for it is seen that grace, as all the other trappings of spiritual progress, were delusional, unreal. To put it in TM terms, TC, CC, GC, and immature UC provide a platform for the function of the idea of grace because there is the potential for some relief and change in the situation. But once BC and rock-solid stability are the norm, grace as an idea is in the coffin because it is not necessary to receive something in order to be what you already are and always have been. Giving thanks for that is just talking to yourself and making a mood. Because enlightenment is the pervasive bed of reality, every aspect of experience can be a lead-in, a point of access to that reality. The mind can be narrow, but the path is not, it is everywhere all the time, trying to break down that narrow vision. When that narrowness cracks open clearly for the first time, there is a tendency to associate the breaking open of freedom with what you were doing at that time and especially if other people tell you that. So if you are meditating, you associate that kind of meditation and the teaching of it with the result. But you could be putting the trash in the garbage can when you have an opening like that. But the garbage can is not going to tell you it is the way and the life and the freedom you were seeking, so less likely that will be thought to be a cause. But the real cause is there is no cause because simply a misunderstanding of the situation is being dissipated. You are living the life of freedom but think it is not. Once that thought is squashed at every level of your being, it is a done deal. So grace, like all other areas of spiritual understanding, is ultimately an illusion. But while it is still a functional idea, enjoy the experience as it can take emphasis off your ego, can act as a nudge toward a more fulfilling direction. It is interesting that spiritual organizations in teaching you to be free are often highly regimented. All Maharishi said was meditate and act, do your thing during the day. So you are going to be free and you can only do what they say? If you have managed to subdue the ego, and the mind is quiescent, why not walk among all the people for you have become the very world they envision they inhabit. There is no nexus for omnipresent reality, no one point or activity more important than another, they are a whole. Perhaps just brushing against some stranger or a word here or there will be the nudge that sets them desiring the larger scale of life. From: "upfron...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Well, forgive this voicing of a different viewpoint, but this one's personal opinion is that one genuine disciplined meditator meditating regularly amongst100 non-meditators is more effective in society than 100 meditators meditating amongstthemselves - although there is certainly a beneficial social family aspect which cannot be denied from similar association on such a deep level. Besides, I personally have a different spiritual philosophy tothat expounded by Maharishi, one which differs in certain fundamental aspects,it would seem, one which touches both my heart and mind deeply in a manner thatleaves no room for the grafting of branches from other trees. I’m not sure I could listen to too much coffee-shopconversation without suggesting the smelling of stronger coffee all round. Jai Guru Dev. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : FW: e-mail response, Try to meditate in groups with a grateful heart. Remember all that TM has given you- is giving you, the countless
Re: [FairfieldLife] Did MMY Think the Universe is a Simulation?
This video was posted by some Christian ministry. Inspiring Philosophy is creating Christian Apologetic Videos | Patreon https://www.patreon.com/inspiringphilosophy https://www.patreon.com/inspiringphilosophy Inspiring Philosophy is creating Christian Apologet... https://www.patreon.com/inspiringphilosophy Follow Inspiring Philosophy on Patreon: Read posts by Inspiring Philosophy on the world's largest platform enabling a new generation of creators and artists to ... View on www.patreon.com https://www.patreon.com/inspiringphilosophy Preview by Yahoo This is not what I would call proof of materialism being debunked as far as science. Most spiritual organizations tend to debunk materialism, but that doesn't show that quantum physics debunks materialism, only that spiritual organizations try to make a popular non-scientific interpretation of quantum mechanics' weirder aspects to reinforce their beliefs. All quantum fields are material entities. Quantum mechanics is a bit spooky but that strangeness does not negate its material structure. You are getting your information from sources very distant from quantum mechanics and science. There are of course a few scientists who do think some aspects of quantum mechanics is not material, but they are in the minority. What does a non-material thing look like, what properties does it have? What kind of equation can you write concerning a non-material state? When someone dies, why does consciousness seem to vanish from them? Besides you are a simulation, so you are not even real, so what am I interacting with here? I do not see how saying that the world and consciousness is either physical or immaterial can affect the way the world is. Physics investigates the material aspects of the world, it does not investigate anything that cannot be shown to exist or has no properties. Did you see my post of Nov. 4 (below)? Why Physicists Are Saying Consciousness Is A State Of Matter, Like a Solid, A Liquid Or A Gas – The Physics arXiv Blog https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/why-physicists-are-saying-consciousness-is-a-state-of-matter-like-a-solid-a-liquid-or-a-gas-5e7ed624986d#.jmqmgcgzz https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/why-physicists-are-saying-consciousness-is-a-state-of-matter-like-a-solid-a-liquid-or-a-gas-5e7ed624986d#.jmqmgcgzz Why Physicists Are Saying Consciousness Is A State ... https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/why-physicists-are-saying-consciousness-is-a-state-of-matter-like-a-solid-a-liquid-or-a-gas-5e7ed624986d#.jmqmgcgzz A new way of thinking about consciousness is sweeping through science like wildfire. View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/why-physicists-are-saying-consciousness-is-a-state-of-matter-like-a-solid-a-liquid-or-a-gas-5e7ed624986d#.jmqmgcgzz Preview by Yahoo Have you noticed that a computer game functions entirely on the basis of matter and the principles of physics? Information has a material structure. If it did not, how would it work? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Archonangel, Here's a video showing how the materialist view has been debunked by science. Many scientists like Tom Campbell has stated that the failure of materialism proves that the universe is based on information like that of a virtual reality in a computer game. IOW the world is based on consciousness or information. Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM To help support this ministry click here: http://www.patreon.com/inspiringphilosophy Materialism has been dead for decades now and recent research only recon... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't understand how you can claim the materialist view has been debunked by modern science. The scientific view is that the entire universe is material. Can you give some examples of published scientific work where scientists investigate non-material realms? Without the materialistic viewpoint, science has nothing to investigate. Icke is a writer, former sports person and former sports broadcaster. He would seem to lack scientific training. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 8:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Did MMY Think the Universe is a Simulation? It would appear to be so since the Hindu philosophy considers the world to be Maya or an illusion. This is the reason why he thought humans can attain siddhis and fly using Patanjali's sutras. Also, the Srimad Bhagavatam has story of a muni or rishi who was able to travel to different
Re: [FairfieldLife] Did MMY Think the Universe is a Simulation?
I don't understand how you can claim the materialist view has been debunked by modern science. The scientific view is that the entire universe is material. Can you give some examples of published scientific work where scientists investigate non-material realms? Without the materialistic viewpoint, science has nothing to investigate. Icke is a writer, former sports person and former sports broadcaster. He would seem to lack scientific training. From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 8:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Did MMY Think the Universe is a Simulation? It would appear to be so since the Hindu philosophy considers the world to be Maya or an illusion. This is the reason why he thought humans can attain siddhis and fly using Patanjali's sutras. Also, the Srimad Bhagavatam has story of a muni or rishi who was able to travel to different worlds. Also, the SB mentioned of prajapatis or cosmic administrators who were in charge of certain sectors of the universe who seeded life in those sectors of the universe and controlled its administration. So, since the materialist view has been debunked by current science, we can entertain the thoughts of reprograming the world as we see fit. IOW, it's possible for humans to travel to other planets and galaxies by manipulating the universal program by a certain method, such as the use of mantras? David Ickes explains it in another way: David Icke ☼ The Universe Is The Equivalent Of A Computer Simulation — There Is No Sol || |||| David Icke ☼ The Universe Is The Equivalent Of A Compu... David Icke On Ukranian Television In 2011 (Engl.) . o(°J°)o . ///(°J°) . . Published August 2012 by LA CAJA DE PANDORA ht. Song - GreenZilla Ft Klipp - Life'...|| | View on www.youtube.com |Preview by Yahoo| || #yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289 -- #yiv0689327289ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289ygrp-mkp #yiv0689327289hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289ygrp-mkp #yiv0689327289ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289ygrp-mkp .yiv0689327289ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289ygrp-mkp .yiv0689327289ad p {margin:0;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289ygrp-mkp .yiv0689327289ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289ygrp-sponsor #yiv0689327289ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289ygrp-sponsor #yiv0689327289ygrp-lc #yiv0689327289hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289ygrp-sponsor #yiv0689327289ygrp-lc .yiv0689327289ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv0689327289 #yiv0689327289activity span .yiv0689327289underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0689327289 .yiv0689327289attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv0689327289 .yiv0689327289attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0689327289 .yiv0689327289attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv0689327289 .yiv0689327289attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv0689327289 .yiv0689327289attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0689327289 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv0689327289 .yiv0689327289bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv0689327289 .yiv0689327289bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0689327289 dd.yiv0689327289last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv0689327289 dd.yiv0689327289last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv0689327289 dd.yiv0689327289last p span.yiv0689327289yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289file-title a, #yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289file-title a:active, #yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289file-title a:hover, #yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289photo-title a, #yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289photo-title a:active, #yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289photo-title a:hover, #yiv0689327289 div.yiv0689327289photo-title a:visited {text-decorat
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
Quite a few of my friends meditate, and some are teachers, but most of us live far from Fairfield, IA. But we are scattered over a wide area so group gatherings of meditators tends to take place only during quarterly celebrations or occasional group meditations. Attempting to get enlightened is not a military campaign against the outer world, it is a campaign against our inner inadequacies. The outer world takes care of itself, as it says in Tao Te Ching: "So the wise adhere to action through non-action,And communicate the teaching without words." Extolling meditators to perform under command, as if they were a seal on the commercial stage balancing a ball on its nose, negates the spontaneity of effortless flow. Those who live in movement facilities live under this constriction, but those who do not often have lives far removed from life in the movement, we meditate when and where we can when we so desire. If the desire to meditate is genuine, it comes naturally, effortlessly and time will be made as allowed by the greater expanse of the world under the Laws of Nature. Spiritual movements ebb and flow, they begin, evolve, and dissipate. None of them eventually stay true to their original purpose which is simply for the human mind to wake up to its actual nature as experience opposed to its intellectual musings which flow as constricted rivers of thought. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Yes, it is quite time now to STFU and meditate. As in, ..Sit up, attend to and actually meditate. In groups. It is time to rally to meditation by all that the best of modern science tells us is statistical truth and by what we know more objectively in our experience as quite fair rule of thumb. It is quite time now to come together in collective meditation for all that is good. It is quite time now to ‘SitTFU’ and meditate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Brave meditators, you have done all we asked you to do, and more than could be reasonably expected; but your own global country of World Peace is at stake, your partners, families, your homes and all that you hold dear. You have worn yourselves out with fatigues and hardships of waging world peace, but we know not how to spare you. If you will consent to stay in the Domes only one month longer, you will render that service to the cause of liberty of all and to your global country of world peace which you probably never can do under any other circumstances. Free Accommodation Extended.. In conjunction with the extension of October Surprise and thanks to the generosity of Raja Hagelin, free accommodation at the ILA Campus (Pandit Campus) is also extended until the morning of Nov 15th. With warmest wishes to all, Ideal Community Group ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, the morning of the Election there were only a few more than 300 in the men's Dome. Yours sounds like speculation. Should need better control for results to publish. Evidently the best research would relate that just having 800 turning out once (spread around in 11 different locations in Fairfield-M.Vedic City) is not enough to have much positive national effect. We could have used you up here towards better results. People evidently are way too complacent around this, if they understand the consequence of meditating at all. If anything the low numbers meditating could indicate an inverse conclusion regardless of some personal opinion. Also, published Science Research for religious rites is not nearly so conclusive as for groups meditating. More research is needed. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, there were yagyas done in India for Trump. Combine that with the 800 or so meditating in the dome and I'd say it all worked fine. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Peer-reviewed, published, replicated, honest-to-goodness, gold-standard scientific research leads us to make this heartfelt request of you: Come and join us for meditation in Fairfield, Iowa for this post-election period of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Some few meditators, like good Elijah, stand While thousands have skedaddled, In earnest for a heav'nly land They never yet have halted. With such spirituality doth remain, For they are not perverted; O may they all through groups meditating rally The glory that's departed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Talk about complacency and even skulking, in Fairfield the evening meditation before the election had 800 in the group meditation.Half what was nee
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
This does not mean that Trump will get the "Support of All the Laws of Nature" just because Clinton lost. Or that because there was some effort to do program that was the reason Trump won. It is basically that ad for margarine — "It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature." Nature does its thing. We can go along with it, or suffer mentally if we disagree with it. If Nature implemented all our desires, this planet would be a cemetery, more so than it already is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well said Arch Angel. From: "Archer Angel archonangel@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Underlying the TM organization's idea of group program is this will influence the way the election would go according to the Laws of Nature. But in the minds of meditation practitioners there is another level of expectation, that Nature will be in agreement with how you think the election will turn out. All the people I knew thought it would come out differently than it did, but Nature seems to have a different plan. Now these same people want to continue to try to influence the outcome — reversing it somehow — using the same method that produced the undesired result and possibly additional methods to still the cognitive dissonance that has been the result. This is not a definition of rationality. Now that there is this outcome, how will Nature proceed, and how does a meditator come into alignment with Nature when they in activity and think something is amiss? It seems pretty clear that we do not yet know how this situation is going to unfold in detail. Remember the words "take it as it comes"? It does not mean manipulation or interference. This leads me to suspect that meditators do not understand the meaning of living in accord with all the Laws of Nature. If you are living in accord with all the Laws of Nature, it would not matter how the election came out, you would be settled in bliss consciousness if Clinton or Trump had won and then go on from there, one moment at a time, without being upset. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Brave meditators, you have done all we asked you to do, and more than could be reasonably expected; but your own global country of World Peace is at stake, your partners, families, your homes and all that you hold dear. You have worn yourselves out with fatigues and hardships of waging world peace, but we know not how to spare you. If you will consent to stay in the Domes only one month longer, you will render that service to the cause of liberty of all and to your global country of world peace which you probably never can do under any other circumstances. Free Accommodation Extended.. In conjunction with the extension of October Surprise and thanks to the generosity of Raja Hagelin, free accommodation at the ILA Campus (Pandit Campus) is also extended until the morning of Nov 15th. With warmest wishes to all, Ideal Community Group ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yours sounds like speculation. Should need better control for results to publish. Evidently the best research would relate that just having 800 turning out once is not enough to have much positive national effect. We could have used you up here towards better results. People evidently are way too complacent around this, if they understand the consequence of meditating at all. If anything the low numbers meditating could indicate an inverse conclusion regardless of some personal opinion. Also, published Science Research for religious rites is not nearly so conclusive as for groups meditating. More research is needed. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, there were yagyas done in India for Trump. Combine that with the 800 or so meditating in the dome and I'd say it all worked fine. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Peer-reviewed, published, replicated, honest-to-goodness, gold-standard scientific research leads us to make this heartfelt request of you: Come and join us for meditation in Fairfield, Iowa for this post-election period of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Some few meditators, like good Elijah, stand While thousands have skedaddled, In earnest for a heav'nly land They never yet have halted. With such spirituality doth remain, For they are not perverted; O may they all through groups meditati
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
Underlying the TM organization's idea of group program is this will influence the way the election would go according to the Laws of Nature. But in the minds of meditation practitioners there is another level of expectation, that Nature will be in agreement with how you think the election will turn out. All the people I knew thought it would come out differently than it did, but Nature seems to have a different plan. Now these same people want to continue to try to influence the outcome — reversing it somehow — using the same method that produced the undesired result and possibly additional methods to still the cognitive dissonance that has been the result. This is not a definition of rationality. Now that there is this outcome, how will Nature proceed, and how does a meditator come into alignment with Nature when they in activity and think something is amiss? It seems pretty clear that we do not yet know how this situation is going to unfold in detail. Remember the words "take it as it comes"? It does not mean manipulation or interference. This leads me to suspect that meditators do not understand the meaning of living in accord with all the Laws of Nature. If you are living in accord with all the Laws of Nature, it would not matter how the election came out, you would be settled in bliss consciousness if Clinton or Trump had won and then go on from there, one moment at a time, without being upset. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Brave meditators, you have done all we asked you to do, and more than could be reasonably expected; but your own global country of World Peace is at stake, your partners, families, your homes and all that you hold dear. You have worn yourselves out with fatigues and hardships of waging world peace, but we know not how to spare you. If you will consent to stay in the Domes only one month longer, you will render that service to the cause of liberty of all and to your global country of world peace which you probably never can do under any other circumstances. Free Accommodation Extended.. In conjunction with the extension of October Surprise and thanks to the generosity of Raja Hagelin, free accommodation at the ILA Campus (Pandit Campus) is also extended until the morning of Nov 15th. With warmest wishes to all, Ideal Community Group ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yours sounds like speculation. Should need better control for results to publish. Evidently the best research would relate that just having 800 turning out once is not enough to have much positive national effect. We could have used you up here towards better results. People evidently are way too complacent around this, if they understand the consequence of meditating at all. If anything the low numbers meditating could indicate an inverse conclusion regardless of some personal opinion. Also, published Science Research for religious rites is not nearly so conclusive as for groups meditating. More research is needed. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, there were yagyas done in India for Trump. Combine that with the 800 or so meditating in the dome and I'd say it all worked fine. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Peer-reviewed, published, replicated, honest-to-goodness, gold-standard scientific research leads us to make this heartfelt request of you: Come and join us for meditation in Fairfield, Iowa for this post-election period of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Some few meditators, like good Elijah, stand While thousands have skedaddled, In earnest for a heav'nly land They never yet have halted. With such spirituality doth remain, For they are not perverted; O may they all through groups meditating rally The glory that's departed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Talk about complacency and even skulking, in Fairfield the evening meditation before the election had 800 in the group meditation.Half what was needed. Skulking: to keep out of sight, typically with a sinister or cowardly motive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Those of you that have been going to the Domes recently will be aware that many of our friends from across the country have joined us here in Fairfield over the last week or so, and they have helped boost the overall attendance in evening program to over 750 people. As really wonderful as this is, it falls significantly short of what we need to create truly indomitable coherence for the nation. We therefore urge you to come to as many group programs as you
[FairfieldLife] Principle
The principle of TM is non-control. Ignorance is the individual mind deluded in thinking it can control beyond its limitations. Wholeness is the sum of individual impulses, the flow of Nature. The flow of Nature is not an individual responsibility, not of any one of them by themselves. The individual in harmony with Nature flows with Nature, not resisting, it stands aside. This is what surrender is. End of Sermon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please join us in both Daily Group Meditations for the next few days!!!
What is your title, position, in this non-profit organization? I was just noticing you are using the plural "we," yet seem to have an individual Yahoo group that does not seem to be affiliated with any other organization, but discusses other organizations and the town of Fairfield, IA, and TM. I have voted (Washington state has voting by mail or dropbox only). So did other family members, one who is a meditator did meditate on schedule in the days before the election. My schedule prevents me from doing that. This makes me think of a question. Pure consciousness has no qualities, so how can it affect anything? Is pure consciousness passive or active, and if it is active, just how can it influence anything? This has always seemed a rather vague TM postulate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : P.S. Once again, we want to be clear that as a non-profit organization, we do not support any one candidate over any other candidate. Natural Law, when enlivened by our group practice, will support the best outcome for the nation. This does not mean that we, as individuals, do not support specific candidates. We do. And we should be sure to exercise our civic duty and vote for the candidates we believe will serve the nation in the most evolutionary way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From Raja John Hagelin and the Ideal Community Group Dear Meditators, Sidhas and Governors of Fairfield & Maharishi Vedic City, As almost everyone is well aware, Election Day is tomorrow and tensions are running high across the country. On both sides of the political divide people are feeling anxious and concerned about the possible outcomes, and many are worried as to whether or not tensions will continue to rise afterwards. Many people are left feeling powerless by all of this they are feeling that all they can do is lodge their vote and then hope for the best. As Meditators, Sidhas and Governors we are very fortunate in that we can do so much more than this. We have the wonderful gifts of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs that we have received from Maharishi, and also the understanding that when we practice them together in a group we can spread a powerful, calming effect of peace and coherence in to the atmosphere, and enliven Natural Law to support the best outcome. Those of you that have been going to the Domes recently will be aware that many of our friends from across the country have joined us here in Fairfield over the last week or so, and they have helped boost the overall attendance in evening program to over 750 people. As really wonderful as this is, it falls significantly short of what we need to create truly indomitable coherence for the nation. We therefore urge you to come to as many group programs as you possibly can over the next few days to maximize the coherence creating effect, and help us get as close to the ideal super-radiance number as we possibly can. May we particularly urge you to attend both group programs tomorrow election day! Lets see if we can double the numbers we are getting at the moment, and shoot for even higher! If you aren't able to attend any of the official flying halls, please try to do group program together with friends in 2s, 3s, 4s, etc., whatever is convenient, and aim to start your yogic flying practice at the official times of 8:15 am and 5:45 pm. Also, please do join us in an atmosphere of celebration on Election Day evening in the lobby of the Argiro Student Center to eat, drink and watch the votes come in. Jai Guru Dev Raja John Hagelin and the Ideal Community Group
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillarious humour: shortest honeymoon...
The slacking off of meditators might depend on more than simple laziness. Long time meditators generally report that experiences of states in medtation that were short-lived early in their practice basically become perpetual. That means a state you had to practice to get at simply exists all the time, it is not necessary for meditation to bring it about anymore. Meditation becomes a kind of maintenance for dealing with current stresses in the environment This might explain why so many meditators still meditate but do not practice the TM-Sidhi program, which facilitates Unity. If Unity (or Brahman) is there, the sidhis are redundant to get to this state if it is already there. The statistics used to imply there is a Maharishi effect does not obviate the fact there has never been a direct measurement of the how that effect propagates. If the effect exists, how would you measure it? Example — heat. Objects at a distance from a supposed source of heat burn. Statistically you can say in the presence of the source, so many trees burn. But that does not say how it happens the source produces this. In this case, infrared radiation can me measured and quantified and an actual mechanism identified, based on known and verified physical principles. In the case of the Maharishi effect, only TM movement scientists are awed by the effect. It is ignored by other scientists because it is explained only statistically and the raw statistical data has not been released and the mechanism has not been measured or identified as a replicatable experiment and so is not believed by these other scientists. Communication about this effect is botched as a result. We have meditators and sidhas not needing to achieve what they already have and so have no desire to to repeat those practices for that purpose. There are also meditators who quit through lack of satisfaction, or some other spiritual system captures their attention. We have an understanding of an effect that only some meditators believe and which most others do not. And as pointed out we have the TM movement, which discards its assets — meditators, sidhas, and teachers — on doctrinal disagreements. Meditators also often display a sense of entitlement, that because they are meditators, they are something special. Pride goeth before the fall. Way to go people. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 12:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillarious humour: shortest honeymoon... Spiritually, in what was an evident gross slacking off of meditators meditating, data would likely show quite a high correlation directly between a decline of coherence in parameters of a culture of American democracy to the slacking off of numbers of meditators regularly attending what were large group meditations once facilitated by the TMO in a more golden age of meditation and then a following onset of thirty-six years of separating meditators from the ™ movement. This is likely as strong in hypothesis now as what is now the Meissner-like postulate that is now extremely correlated that group practice of meditation brings coherence well-being to larger populations. In statistical truth on statistical truth of course there is justification for more testing of hypothesis. But by such clear and highly correlated evidence of science we do have right now it is quite time to STFU (sit the f' up) and meditate, today. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ...since Elisabeth Taylor's 6th marriage? https://youtu.be/O0XS2tksSNM?t=5m10s #yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631 -- #yiv8034753631ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631ygrp-mkp #yiv8034753631hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631ygrp-mkp #yiv8034753631ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631ygrp-mkp .yiv8034753631ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631ygrp-mkp .yiv8034753631ad p {margin:0;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631ygrp-mkp .yiv8034753631ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631ygrp-sponsor #yiv8034753631ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631ygrp-sponsor #yiv8034753631ygrp-lc #yiv8034753631hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631ygrp-sponsor #yiv8034753631ygrp-lc .yiv8034753631ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv8034753631 #yiv8034753631activity span:first-child {text-trans
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
Various friends who are TM teachers, and family where I live are attempting to meditate etc., according to the published schedule. I went to a group meditation yesterday. Group meditations are rare where I live. I do not however do the TM-Sidhi program which for me self-destructed decades ago and seems totally incompatible with my nervous system now. I have almost always liked to meditate alone except for family. According to the teacher that did the group check yesterday, there are a few people naturally like that. Group practice does not influence my experience at all, although interestingly, it did many, many years ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Meditators, Our time has come now to Mobilize for collective coherence. Friends, in pursuit of a more lasting peace on earth we are moving forward towards bringing light to darkness. Do not abandon the Field. Nay rather come sit up, meditate and radiate that great coherence so evident in the Unified Field with us all. We are all in this together. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Make this our determination known to all meditators of the movement; prepare the meditators for what work is now to ensue. It is time to take our light over the trenches of dark ignorance. In Fairfield, Iowa we go in meditating at dawn's nautical twilight and again at sun's set. Be there with us. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Duty-bound.. FW: -Knowers of truth have both a blessing and a responsibility. Try to take it on in a spirit of gratitude..of thanksgiving. Take on the responsibility gladly, with a joyful heart,knowing that we all can be an influence of and for good in the world. And if you are not there yet,not feeling grateful yet, do it any way-being grateful and giving praise opens channels for the cosmic life force to reach us; for support of nature to come to us..for the spirit to fill our hearts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : FW: There are those who may be considered complacent in so far as they know the value of group practice and yet do not go to the dome. Even a brief look back at the sacrifices previous generations made for our country would give us pause when we see we have become complacent in our duty. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : By e-mail to FFL: The communal call to meditate; Maharishi, the movement, MUM have given us so much. -Recently the October Surprise, an unprecedented gift of inestimable value. We must ask ourselves,"Is it too much to ask?" . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Inside of one week to go now. Had we a general who marches, meditates and would eat alongside us to be seen leading us from the front, these would be our orders for waging this peace campaign, orders we should have e-mailed directly to every meditator’s electronic device: tablet, cellphone or laptop..: General Orders: Meditators our campaigning is not over, as meditators we will move forward from here. A laying-down rest is not to be taken now but sit up and take watch in restful alertness and consolidate what gains we have made, secure our lines of supply, concentrate support of all our allies and all the laws of Nature in to our ranks. Together we will be moving forward in consciousness. Plan now on when you are going to do your next meditation. Our numbers and our proximity in meditation are our strength. Set a time in your day now in synchrony with the whole group. Picket against that sin that will draw and take you away from the group and skirmish aggressively against the counter-attack of all that is spiritually ignorant in the nay-sayer's sap. Attend to the group and meditate with discipline. Now is not the time to sleep. Stay alert and stay close. This we ask of you and all will be taken care of. With less than only seven Days now to prepare our Selves finally for what is coming maintain your good discipline of coherent meditation up to the end and let no able meditator break from our ranks now. We meditate together at 7:30am and 5pm CST. There should be no skulking and no standing this one out; but for a better world we do this now: "Come sit here and take this flower..." For Heaven's sake even in this world, Om Shanti! Om Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu... ! Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti. For whether pure or impure or whether purity or impurity is permeating everywhere who soever opens themselves to this expanded vision of inner awareness gains inner and outer purity. Be attentive. Sit up and Be with us in meditation. -Jai Guru You ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Tomorrow, Tuesday marks one week un to Election Day. Is it too much to ask? Remember, "Ask not what your country (community) can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country (community)" Is it too much to ask for so many good reasons that
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
The election is about a week away. There will be an outcome. People are conscious now, and probably after as well. Even if your awareness is unified, those opposed to your views will remain opposed. No spiritual group has ever unified the world under a common thought or purpose. Is the world telling us something? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Inside of one week to go now. Had we a general who marches, meditates and would eat alongside us to be seen leading us from the front, these would be our orders for waging this peace campaign, orders we should have e-mailed directly to every meditator’s electronic device: tablet, cellphone or laptop..: General Orders: Meditators our campaigning is not over, as meditators we will move forward from here. A laying-down rest is not to be taken now but sit up and take watch in restful alertness and consolidate what gains we have made, secure our lines of supply, concentrate support of all our allies and all the laws of Nature in to our ranks. Together we will be moving forward in consciousness. Plan now on when you are going to do your next meditation. Our numbers and our proximity in meditation are our strength. Set a time in your day now in synchrony with the whole group. Picket against that sin that will draw and take you away from the group and skirmish aggressively against the counter-attack of all that is spiritually ignorant in the nay-sayer's sap. Attend to the group and meditate with discipline. Now is not the time to sleep. Stay alert and stay close. This we ask of you and all will be taken care of. With less than only seven Days now to prepare our Selves finally for what is coming maintain your good discipline of coherent meditation up to the end and let no able meditator break from our ranks now. We meditate together at 7:30am and 5pm CST. There should be no skulking and no standing this one out; but for a better world we do this now: "Come sit here and take this flower..." For Heaven's sake even in this world, Om Shanti! Om Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu... ! Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti. For whether pure or impure or whether purity or impurity is permeating everywhere who soever opens themselves to this expanded vision of inner awareness gains inner and outer purity. Be attentive. Sit up and Be with us in meditation. -Jai Guru You ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Tomorrow, Tuesday marks one week un to Election Day. Is it too much to ask? Remember, "Ask not what your country (community) can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country (community)" Is it too much to ask for so many good reasons that those of us who do know better come together, sit down now and collectively meditate? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Fairfield Meditating Community: We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Even back in 1965 Maharishi said we are ‘duty-bound’ to come to the collective of group meditation because of what we can do for good in the world with what we know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There is time yet to help out here in larger ways. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Inside of 10 days now un to Election Day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It wasn't Shaming when John F Kennedy said " Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." yes, his then was a higher order in thinking, a deeper calling. A higher order like with the call now to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : More by e-mail to FFL on spiritual complacency.. I agree that there is a moral obligation to attend the dome as often as one can-and especially when we need it most- There are those who could go who choose not to.There are those who have the time and wherewithal that decide to do other things at group practice times.There are those who may be considered complacent in so far as they know the value of group practice and yet do not go to the dome. Even a brief look back at the sacrifices previous generations made for our country would give us pause when we see we have become complacent in our duty. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From mail: "Yes! And no shaming. but people must learn that they do have a responsi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
I don't understand the term "transcendentally important." Importance is a function of relativity, not transcendence. In transcendence there is only equality. It is in the field of activity that we deem something important or not. The early Christians thought the return of the Christ was just around the corner. Some 100 now dead generations have passed and still this has not happened.* * An alternate view is that it did happen, but the majority of Christians simply misunderstood what the return of the Christ actually meant. It does seem clear from the state of the world, that the TM meditating community overestimates its effect in the world. I suspect on average the nature of the spiritual path and its ultimate result is also misunderstood by the various spiritual groups who inhabit this planet who claim to have a spiritual method and philosophy that can bring peace. Churches, Ashrams, Synagogues, Mosques, Temples, and so on tend to gravitate to a lower denominator as far as spiritual knowledge. Because the average person is always more concerned with their personal life, welfare and happiness than with seeking their true nature. Seeking takes quite a bit of time and commitment, even if techniques are not difficult. The wide-spread peace in the world we desire tends to be far less advanced than we presume because of this natural lack of commitment to one-pointed focus on the goal. Natural means according to the laws of nature, and so nature itself undoes what we would have others accomplish. When the consciousness experiences what nature is doing, how it moves along, the anxiety of what happens next is reduced, and the tendency to meddle in nature's affairs is reduced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Fairfield Meditating Community: We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Even back in 1965 Maharishi said we are ‘duty-bound’ to come to the collective of group meditation because of what we can do for good in the world with what we know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There is time yet to help out here in larger ways. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Inside of 10 days now un to Election Day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It wasn't Shaming when John F Kennedy said " Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." yes, his then was a higher order in thinking, a deeper calling. A higher order like with the call now to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : More by e-mail to FFL on spiritual complacency.. I agree that there is a moral obligation to attend the dome as often as one can-and especially when we need it most- There are those who could go who choose not to.There are those who have the time and wherewithal that decide to do other things at group practice times.There are those who may be considered complacent in so far as they know the value of group practice and yet do not go to the dome. Even a brief look back at the sacrifices previous generations made for our country would give us pause when we see we have become complacent in our duty. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From mail: "Yes! And no shaming. but people must learn that they do have a responsibility-even a moral obligation- to do what they can, where they are, with what they have [-Teddy Roosevelt] " ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Two weeks out from Election Day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Om, complacency. One could construct that in the being of human spirituality there are certainly things we do in life that enhance spiritual well-being either individually or collectively and then other things we may do that degrade spiritual well-being. On these terms we could say there is that which is 'virtuous', enhancing spiritual well-being and then the spiritually 'sinful' which detract from it. Given what science is now correlating (or) some of what is our direct experience, for those who actually practice meditation and are experienced at it, this could well be said (constructed) that complacency in attending to meditation either individually or at the collective meditation is sinful in these terms. It could well be constructed that in the least, the compla
[FairfieldLife] Re: deletion of posts
It would seem than in an election opinion rules, not knowledge. Opinion proceeds to assume what you think is true, and what others think contrary to this is false. Because opinion represents an assumption, not a determinable truth, for it to succeed, opposing opinions and knowledge must be suppressed. This is the path of ignorance. The path of knowledge is more subtle, but there is a caveat. The path of knowledge must assume that in the beginning, what you know is nil, that everything you think must be false. Stumbling upon truth consequently cannot be achieved by something you do because you know nothing, so truth must come by some accident or grace, and you may not even recognize it if it hits you in the face. Interesting conundrum. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I say the site is now untenable, and an alternative is in order. Either FFL-2 or something new altogether. Let me know. I don't like to be moderated by an immoderate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I see our moderator is deleting large numbers of posts. Where will it all end, I ask? Ah, I see a vision of the future—the last five posts, as of right now, are all written by the moderator himself! No one able to delete those, eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's
I like the crunchy peanut butter too. Peanuts have high protein. You could remove the fat and replace it with another lipid, which would make it more digestible, but probably less tasty. 1980 Vedic Science Conference. I was there but was told this story later as I was sick that day. Maharishi was discussing the food menu items and an Indian boy was going over the list. Maybe they were discussing nuts. At the end the Indian boy said, "and peanuts." Maharishi said no peanuts, but the boy continued as before, saying "and peanuts," and Maharishi couldn't get him to change, so then Maharishi said, "well, I guess we are going to have peanuts." Did anyone else hear this story? From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 3:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's Had he sampled America's most popular peanut butters, I am fairly confident Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would've preferred Jif, over Skippy. It is a little sweeter. I am a Skippy man, myself. I hope that doesn't impact my spiritual evolution. I also like 'crunchy', over 'smooth'...I could be in real trouble now... Alex, Could you ask your bro, please? Or Doug, kindly see what John Hagelin thinks? Also, would *jam* act as kind of a yagya, a counterweight of sorts, if Skippy continues to be ingested? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Who knows? However, that was one of those "Maharishi says..." pronouncements floating around FF in my early days here. Here's what MAPI has to say about peanuts (it's consistent with what MMY allegedly said): "Peanuts are not recommended in ayurveda. Peanuts are not really nuts;they are legumes. Peanuts are difficult to digest and can make one feelsluggish and lethargic in body and mind. Ayurvedically, it is better touse either cashew or almond butter for sandwiches." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did Maharishi really say that eating peanuts dulls the mind? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Aggregating Questions.. All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer Some other questions.. sent through to FFL by e-mail: In order for TMO to thrive and continue being a force for goodin the world, how "transparent"do the panel members think itshould be: 100%, 50%, something else? PS I would be grateful if the topic of transparency could be addressedbefore any other questionsare entertained. #Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of the wealthy? # Someone else asks:Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin? # Who currently owns the Brahmasthan of America?Does it have a Board of Trustee?Who is on the Brahmasthan of America Board of Trustees? What else? Like, where did all the money go? Who is TM now?How does the org work?Could they share actual certified financial statements?Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?Is Girish out of jail? What was that all about?Did TM money bail him out and pay his legal fees? #Will "transcending" offset bad karma. Will "transcending" it make people richer?.Will "transcending" curing diseases?Will it extend one's lifespan? #Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data? #---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A panel coming up this weekis looking for tough questions... [ Reply to this FFL post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask straight to the FFL list owner at:dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com ] The FFL list owner also has some channels to submit questions onup the chain.,, All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer Anybody have questions of the TM movement to ask? Where is Dr. Pete? He had particular question aboutthe research. What else? Like, where did all the money go? Who is TM now?How does the org work?Could they share actual certified financial statements?Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?Is Girish out of jail? What was that all about? Other Q's people have? Will "transcending" offset bad karma. Will it make people richer?.How about curing diseases? Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data? Yifuxero writes:I'm skeptical of the rationale and underlying assumptions..Would one of the conclusions be "Transcending will make you happy and TM is the preferred method of transcending". OK fine...let's see some evidence.Likewise, with the other claims.Will "transcending" offset bad karma. Will it make people richer?.How about curing diseases?Make some real substantial claims followed by some good uncooked data; with perhaps a few citations of peer reviewed research by somebody outside of the TMO or MUM.If the claims are true, people in vast numbers should be flocking to a practice that has speci
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
The nature of maya, as it has to do with meditation and enlightenment has little to do with the complexity and paradoxes of the physical world, but has much to do with the mind and how it interprets what is experienced, for that is how the paradoxes manifest. The world itself has no paradox and is what it is. It includes the body, senses, and the environment of the body as a seamless whole. It is when the mind generates a thought and the mind is overshadowed by the thought and then maya comes into play making it seem there are individual things, and creates the illusion of a person separate from the world. In this situation, the mind makes a virtual world that replaces the actual world, like a heavy fog obscuring what one sees. Waking consciousness, TC (as remembered), CC, GC, and incomplete UC are subject to this obscuration. Thus these states are a problem to be mastered if you desire enlightenment. If you desire these states, by all means enjoy, but it will stunt your progress to aim so low. The computer that is creating a simulation of the world is in your own head. From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! The illusory aspect of maya is inherent in the world. The prime example is the dual nature of light in nature. It is both a particle and a wave. Being a wave, light is non-deterministic and is probabilistic. As such, the world is based on information that's similar to the virtual world of computers. Hence, it can be justified to say that the world is a simulation in a gigantic computer. Tom Campbell, a former TMer, discusses this point in the following video: Tom Campbell: The Key to Understanding Our Reality (from Spokane) || |||| Tom Campbell: The Key to Understanding Our Reality (... "In the early 1900's, physicists understood the nature of Reality better then than they do now." In this excerpt from the May 2014 Spokane workshop, T...|| | View on www.youtube.com |Preview by Yahoo| || ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I meditate all the time, and more often than most TM meditators, it has a goodly effect. Meditation reveals certain oddities about the nature of the universe from the level of experience. I would say the the illusion aspect of maya, and the consequent misunderstanding of the nature of spiritual life lasts all the way to Brahman consciousness, at which point maya begins to retreat. Most people seem to assume this happens near the beginning of practice of TM but the misunderstanding of the nature of self and the world lasts through all the states and we become capable of correcting the mistake of the intellect only at the end. Because until then we did not know what it really was. The word used for sin in the Bible means literally to miss the mark. The word sin in English comes from a root word meaning guilty. Actions performed when feeling guilty are stressful. Using the term sin to coerce people to do something that they spontaneously do not do, such as vote or even meditate might have adverse effects if in fact what the person does contrary to another's desire is really spontaneous. Most people in the world do not naturally meditate, they have to come to it somehow, and understand by experience its value, and only then will they naturally continue with it. The TM org is considered hostile by some so these people might avoid doing what the org wants. Meditation eventually develops spontaneity, but spontaneity means you cannot predict what will happen, you cannot predict what a spontaneous person acting within the framework of nature's laws will do. They do not act on individual whim, it's nature's spontaneity to do or not to do. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Om, complacency. One could construct that in the being of human spirituality there are certainly things we do in life that enhance spiritual well-being either individually or collectively and then other things we may do that degrade spiritual well-being. On these terms we could say there is that which is 'virtuous', enhancing spiritual well-being and then the spiritually 'sinful' which detract from it. Given what science is now correlating (or) some of what is our direct experience, for those who actually practice meditation and are experienced at it, this could well be said (constructed) that complacency in attending to meditation either individually or at the collective meditation is sinful in these terms. It could well be constructed that in the least, the complacent position on meditation is just some ignorance of the scienc
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
I meditate all the time, and more often than most TM meditators, it has a goodly effect. Meditation reveals certain oddities about the nature of the universe from the level of experience. I would say the the illusion aspect of maya, and the consequent misunderstanding of the nature of spiritual life lasts all the way to Brahman consciousness, at which point maya begins to retreat. Most people seem to assume this happens near the beginning of practice of TM but the misunderstanding of the nature of self and the world lasts through all the states and we become capable of correcting the mistake of the intellect only at the end. Because until then we did not know what it really was. The word used for sin in the Bible means literally to miss the mark. The word sin in English comes from a root word meaning guilty. Actions performed when feeling guilty are stressful. Using the term sin to coerce people to do something that they spontaneously do not do, such as vote or even meditate might have adverse effects if in fact what the person does contrary to another's desire is really spontaneous. Most people in the world do not naturally meditate, they have to come to it somehow, and understand by experience its value, and only then will they naturally continue with it. The TM org is considered hostile by some so these people might avoid doing what the org wants. Meditation eventually develops spontaneity, but spontaneity means you cannot predict what will happen, you cannot predict what a spontaneous person acting within the framework of nature's laws will do. They do not act on individual whim, it's nature's spontaneity to do or not to do. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Om, complacency. One could construct that in the being of human spirituality there are certainly things we do in life that enhance spiritual well-being either individually or collectively and then other things we may do that degrade spiritual well-being. On these terms we could say there is that which is 'virtuous', enhancing spiritual well-being and then the spiritually 'sinful' which detract from it. Given what science is now correlating (or) some of what is our direct experience, for those who actually practice meditation and are experienced at it, this could well be said (constructed) that complacency in attending to meditation either individually or at the collective meditation is sinful in these terms. It could well be constructed that in the least, the complacent position on meditation is just some ignorance of the science or some lack of discipline in practice and experience as these manifest and not sinning necessarily like in the sense of the religious jurisdiction of a Sharia law or a Papal inquisition. We are just talking the spiritual here, like in the experience of transcendentalism here. But then, in this construction when it might come to further considering those who would be false apostates out on the internet actively denying the science of meditation and even working at derailing those evident good works of meditation and its collective practice theirs under this spiritual construction would certainly become a moral failing simple, above the complacent, a type of serious crime against humanity's spirituality more than just misdemeanor, but rising to that of felony crime against humanity. [ ] .. constructing the indictment. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I agree. "The term moral obligation has a number of meanings in moral philosophy, in religion, and in layman's terms. Generally speaking, when someone says of an act that it is a 'moral obligation,' they refer to a belief that the act is one prescribed by their set of values." People, even in the uniform world of a particular belief system have different values. Perhaps some of these we are born with, and some cultural, some indoctrinated. People who learn TM have a reason to learn, and even if they stick with the meditation, they may not share the values the TM movement holds dear, or believe everything the TM movement thinks they should. If consciousness is the ultimate reality, then it already permeates everything ("infinity at every point"), everything is in its grip so meditating should not have any wide ranging effect but would be local with the organism, a person might be calmer. The evidence of wide ranging effects of meditation is not very convincing, and personal belief and spiritual hype is not evidence of efficacy. Meditators and non-meditators hold widely divergent views. People who want Hillary for US President say it is a moral obligation to vote for her. The same for those who want Trump for President, a moral obligation to vote for him. And then there is Jill Stein and Ga
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's
Google Peanuts Dull The Mind? | | | | || | | | || Google Search the world's information, including webpages, images, videos and more. Google has many special feature... | | | | I am fond of peanuts as are birds, squirrels, rats, and other rodents. Blue jays head straight for them over other kinds of seeds. Smaller birds will try to carry off a large unshelled peanut in preference to a bird feeder. High fat and protein. Birds go for that. Birds will choose GMO seeds that have higher protein over natural ones of the same kind. The idea that peanuts are bad comes from their being hard to digest. About 30% of the fat in peanuts tends to not get digested. An Ayurvedic no no. If you get stranded in a winter wilderness with a lot of peanuts and you are Ayurvedic in dietary preferences, you die. Actually some Ayurvedic sources say to reduce, not necessarily eliminate peanuts. Peanuts have a strong odor, so perhaps that is another reason spiritually minded dogmatists are against them. Also the Vedic people did not know about peanuts. India got its first peanuts in the 18th century. Vedic proscriptions do not specifically apply to the peanut as a result, modern Vedic-ites retrofitted proscriptions against nuts to them. It's all about nuts, but it is not clear whether the proscribed articles are the food or the eater of the food or both. Let us say it is perhaps unhealthy to be around nuts according to this view. From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course, not. However, I'm experiencing tremendous cognitive dissonance because MMY did say that peanuts dull the mind. Thankfully, I still have a bottle of lorazepam to ease my suffering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That the peanut M&M is roughly, in the shape of hiranyagarbha, did not escape your notice, I'm sure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Just guessing here, but I imagine the chocolate surrounding the peanuts is applied with the same panning method as the outer shell coating. As such, the peanuts would be constantly tumbling as the coating is applied, so there would be no dents. That would assure the utmost in Vedic purity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Here's a couple, possibly a little off-topic, but still toughies: 1. How do they get the peanut inside each m&m perfectly coated with chocolate, surrounded by the crunchy shell, without leaving a slight dent on it, from where it was resting on the conveyor belt? 2. Also, each peanut m&m is a slightly different size, yet they are each uniformly imprinted with an "m". Are they produced by an army of small handed candy stampers, or what? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Aggregating Questions.. All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer Some other questions.. sent through FFL by e-mail: In order for TMO to thrive and continue being a force for goodin the world, how "transparent"do the panel members think itshould be: 100%, 50%, something else? PS I would be grateful if the topic of transparency could be addressedbefore any other questionsare entertained. #Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of the wealthy? [ Reply to this post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask straight to the FFL list owner at:dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com ] The FFL list owner also has some channels to submit questions onup the chain.,, # Someone else asks:Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin? # What else? Like, where did all the money go? Who is TM now?How does the org work?Could they share actual certified financial statements?Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?Is Girish out of jail? What was that all about?Did TM money bail him out and pay his legal fees? #Will "transcending" offset bad karma. Will "transcending" it make people richer?.Will "transcending" curing diseases?# ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A panel coming up next weekis looking for tough questions... All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer Anybody have questions of the TM movement to ask? Where is Dr. Pete? He had particular question aboutthe research. What else? Like, where did all the money go? Who is TM now?How does the org work?Could they share actual certified financial statements?Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?Is Girish out of jail? What was that all about? Other Q's people have? Will "transcending" offset bad karma. Will it make people richer?.How about curing disease
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
I agree. "The term moral obligation has a number of meanings in moral philosophy, in religion, and in layman's terms. Generally speaking, when someone says of an act that it is a 'moral obligation,' they refer to a belief that the act is one prescribed by their set of values." People, even in the uniform world of a particular belief system have different values. Perhaps some of these we are born with, and some cultural, some indoctrinated. People who learn TM have a reason to learn, and even if they stick with the meditation, they may not share the values the TM movement holds dear, or believe everything the TM movement thinks they should. If consciousness is the ultimate reality, then it already permeates everything ("infinity at every point"), everything is in its grip so meditating should not have any wide ranging effect but would be local with the organism, a person might be calmer. The evidence of wide ranging effects of meditation is not very convincing, and personal belief and spiritual hype is not evidence of efficacy. Meditators and non-meditators hold widely divergent views. People who want Hillary for US President say it is a moral obligation to vote for her. The same for those who want Trump for President, a moral obligation to vote for him. And then there is Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, who also have supporters with different values. Meditation does not seem to alter these kinds of preferences, although the cultural environment of the TM movement might have an influence on some people, or their church and so on. Is it a moral obligation for you, whoever you are, to behave in the way I think you should? If you do, then by all means contact me and I will tell you what to do. After all, I am an Archon Angel sent here for just this purpose. From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! When someone tells me it is my "moral obligation" to do something, I reach for my revolver. Enough of such pontificating! If you want to go the dome and enjoy it, then by all means go, but don't be browbeaten by the "moral obligation" police. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : By e-mail to FFL, "I agree.I also think it is ok to suggest to all meditators, meditators and all of old TM teachers, governors, Re-cert teachers, sidhas, old MIU alumni, MUM, MSAE, old Purusha and Mother Divine alumni, that there is a moral obligation to attend the group meditations and dome as often as they can-and especially when we need it most."..Let me apprise you, then: we intend, in spite of the rules of war, to attack this with meditation, this which appears nearly twice and a hundred times our strength, wherever we find it. The question is not of their numbers or the strength of their agitations or material position; all this by courage, by the skill of our methods, we will try to make good. This step we must ask, or everything is lost. We must beat back the chaos, the commotion of these times, or perish all of us before its batteries. So we read the case; so we will act in it. It is time to collectively rally to meditation for all that we hold dear. There is good in life. We must risk everything now. We ask your help to be with us now in a meditation of coherence. Come now. Come quickly and assemble. There is ample housing and stores of plenty here to keep you here. Certainly it is up to you to assemble. You might stay at home alone in a comfort of your room but never will you be able to do so great a thing as to assemble with this now. Come quickly as you can, come now to Fairfield, Iowa for the enhancement of a collective peace in meditation. Arrange your affairs quickly and come directly. In numbers gathered close it will be our great honor and privilege to be meditating together with you alongside. Come join in the collective practice of group meditation. We flatter ourselves, therefore, that, in this case, too, nothing will be wanting which the Community has a right to expect of your valor. It is time to assemble in collective meditation. Jai Guru You! -Doug in Fairfield, Iowa ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Meditators everywhere, it is quite time to elect coherence in group meditation. It is time to assemble in collective meditation. The hour is at hand. We ask your help to be with us now in a meditation of coherence. Come now. Come quickly and assemble. There is ample housing and stores of plenty here to keep you here. Certainly it is up to you to assemble. You might stay at home alone in a comfort of your room but never will you be able to do so great a thing as to assemble with this now. Come quickly as you can, come now to Fairfield, Iowa for the enhancement of a collective peace in meditation. Arrange your affairs quickly and come directly.-JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@ya
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Iowa
These Maharishi School students must have missed a lesson — "We must take situations as they are. We must only change our mental attitudes towards them." —Maharishi From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Iowa We Refuse to Accept Things the Way They Are Maharishi School Students in Action: A Lively Panel Discussion with Our Next Generation of Leaders Moderated by Ellen Akst Jones, Chair, Maharishi School Board of Directors Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome. Monday, Oct. 24, 8:00 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Also, a 2pm practice today forthe communal singof Handel's Messiah.51 N. Court StreetFairfield, Iowa23 OctoberA No-badge meeting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Progress on the Path to Global Raam Raj Sunday, Oct. 23, 2:00 PM Inspiration from around the World, with Highlights from the Invincible America Assembly Dr. Bevan Morris, DSCI (via Skype) Prime Minister of the GCWP International President of Maharishi Universities of Management Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-Sidhi ID. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Skeptics’ Night Open Discussion with Community and Experts on the Maharishi Effect Saturday, Oct. 22, 8:00 PM Chair: Dr. David Orme-Johnson, Former Chair of MUM Psychology Dept. Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-SidhiSM ID. Saturday, Oct. 22, 1:30 PMPhysics of the Maharishi Effect How to Exploit Quantum Entanglement and Quantum Teleportation on a Massive Scale Dr. John Hagelin, President of MUM Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Today, Friday, Oct. 21, 8:00 PM Behind-the-Scenes Adventures Stories of Working for Maharishi in Mozambique and Israel Vicki Alexander Herriott, JD, LLM, Chair, MUM Dept. of Management Dr. Carolyn King, MUM Professor of Physiology and Health Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators. Thursday, Oct. 20, 8:00 PM Your Brain In-Between Mantras Silence Is the New Dynamism Dr. Fred Travis, Chairman, MUM Department of Maharishi Vedic Science Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Wednesday, Oct. 19, 8:00 PM Transcending in Myth & Literature Dr. Rhoda Orme-Johnson, Former Chair of MUM Literature Department MUM campus, Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8:00 PM What Is Real? What Is Not Real? Maharishi on Reality and Maya (Evening 2 of a 2-evening series: The Not-Real) Dr. Evan Finkelstein, MUM Adjunct Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Free. Open to the public. All welcome. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Today, On campus at Dalby Hall:Designing Homes and Cities in Harmony with Natural Law Monday, Oct. 17, 2:00 PM Maharishi Vastu Architecture and Planning ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Monday, Oct. 17, 8:00 PM What Is Real? What Is Not Real? Maharishi on Reality and Maya (Evening 1 of a 2-evening series: The Real) Dr. Evan Finkelstein, MUM Adjunct Professor of Maharishi Vedic ScienceSM Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome. #yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948 -- #yiv6148345948ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948ygrp-mkp #yiv6148345948hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948ygrp-mkp #yiv6148345948ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948ygrp-mkp .yiv6148345948ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948ygrp-mkp .yiv6148345948ad p {margin:0;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948ygrp-mkp .yiv6148345948ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948ygrp-sponsor #yiv6148345948ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948ygrp-sponsor #yiv6148345948ygrp-lc #yiv6148345948hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948ygrp-sponsor #yiv6148345948ygrp-lc .yiv6148345948ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv6148345948 #yiv6148345948activity span .yiv6148345948underline {text-decor
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
Jyotish proves nothing. When you compare a simulation with the reality it is mimicking, there are discrepancies, because a simulation has to fake certain things for expediency, the simulation lacks the detail of the reality. Jyotish tries to mimic the events in the world, but it is a very poor mimic. The world is not the simulation, Jyotish is. If the world itself is a simulation, we have nothing else with more detail to compare it with. So we cannot see the glitches or discrepancies with the greater reality. This is different from enlightenment versus ignorance, for here we are just correcting misperception and not comparing a world with a less detailed impression of it. You could of course posit that our misperception of reality represents a botched simulation of our inner and outer worlds. The discrepancies between what we think and what happens is often large. From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! Many people think that life in the world is a simulation. The proof of this is the jyotish technique called Brighu Saral Paddhati which essentially shows the programming of our lives based on the planets in the jyotish chart. See the article by Yuvraj Singh: Astrology Articles - Saptarishis Digital Astrology Magazine || |||| Astrology Articles - Saptarishis Digital Astrology Magaz... Saptarishis Astrology's mission is to be a publisher of useful and rare techniques of Vedic and Western astrlogy in the form of digital magazine and articles.|| | View on saptarishisastrology.com |Preview by Yahoo| || But I'm still hopeful of free will in our lives, especially if one meditates. Those who don't meditate IMO don't have a method to ease the pain of karma, or transcend karma altogether. IOW, it is a scientific fact that light functions as a wave and a particle. But knowledge tells us that light is both. It would be false to say that light functions as one or the other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm not a believer at all in free will.Most research is leaning towards that it doesn't exist. But enjoythe show anyway and if you do you were "predestined" to. I think that we are all just playing out our parts in a greatscript that if really just based on a mathematical formula (orwhat would be one if math folks discovered it). What happens ifyou meditate you come more into alignment with that force and youwill be less disturbed by it. So stopping meditating won't change anything either except maybethe way you feel. On 10/24/2016 12:02 PM, Archer Angel archonangel@...[FairfieldLife] wrote: I reallyhave no idea. Doesn't nature just do what it doesanyway? Coming intoalignment with nature would seem to mean that we donothing, just get out of the way, and that would seemto be the way its always been. That wouldmean TM would prevent people from interfering with thenatural progression of things. Then itwould seem nature can only be controlled by people whoare not in accord with the laws of nature. So if youwant to change what happens, stop meditating. From:"authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Monday, October 24, 2016 3:04 PM Subject:[FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to SpiritualOrder,Rally Now to Meditation! So for this thing to bewhipped would mean the number ofmeditators that Doug thinks willkeep this thing from losing would begathered? How does he know how manywould be sufficient? And then, what does"losing" mean in this context? Itcan't refer to one candidate or theother not winning the election,since Doug has declared all ofTM-land to be neutral in thatregard; Nature will make the choicefor us, you see. ---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It meanspeople who practice meditation,probably TranscendentalMeditation specifically, shouldmeditate in clumps — together —and that presumably will effectthe outcome of the election. Andthat in his view, people arenot doing this, and the resulthe desires will not come topass. Whatif someone has the oppositedesire and people gather andmeditate so that specificdesire is fulfilled? ---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,wrote : Friends of meditating, we are 15 days out. The Presidential contest is close enough I'm feeling that if we don't whip this right now with meditating collectively in proximity we just might lose the whole thing.What the heck does this mean, Doug? I can't make any sense of it.As we know by experience and the science, numbers meditating and their proximity do matter in collective meditation. I would personally be grateful to you if you would join us now, join us in meditating in Fairfield, Iowa. This is not a usual fight. People often fight for money or land
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
I really have no idea. Doesn't nature just do what it does anyway? Coming into alignment with nature would seem to mean that we do nothing, just get out of the way, and that would seem to be the way its always been. That would mean TM would prevent people from interfering with the natural progression of things. Then it would seem nature can only be controlled by people who are not in accord with the laws of nature. So if you want to change what happens, stop meditating. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 3:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! So for this thing to be whipped would mean the number of meditators that Doug thinks will keep this thing from losing would be gathered? How does he know how many would be sufficient? And then, what does "losing" mean in this context? It can't refer to one candidate or the other not winning the election, since Doug has declared all of TM-land to be neutral in that regard; Nature will make the choice for us, you see. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It means people who practice meditation, probably Transcendental Meditation specifically, should meditate in clumps — together — and that presumably will effect the outcome of the election. And that in his view, people are not doing this, and the result he desires will not come to pass. What if someone has the opposite desire and people gather and meditate so that specific desire is fulfilled? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Friends of meditating, we are 15 days out. The Presidential contest is close enough I'm feeling that if we don't whip this right now with meditating collectively in proximity we just might lose the whole thing. What the heck does this mean, Doug? I can't make any sense of it. As we know by experience and the science, numbers meditating and their proximity do matter in collective meditation. I would personally be grateful to you if you would join us now, join us in meditating in Fairfield, Iowa. This is not a usual fight. People often fight for money or land and things but we are meditating for each other here. Come join us in this rare fight. We could use your help. Come join with us now in a collective group of meditation, in Fairfield, Iowa! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Meditators, I would personally be grateful to you if you would join us now, join us in meditating and at the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. This is not a usual fight. People often fight for money or land and things but we are meditating for each other here. Come join us in this rare fight. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Inside of 18 days now. The debates are past. People are deciding now how they are voting and some are early- voting now. It is time now to certainly attend to meditation. “These are the times which try human souls” May All blessings and grace of the Unified Field be upon us now for the work in progress we now have at hand. It is come the time for more meditation, -JaiGuruYou Fairfield Housing for Arriving Meditators: website at: www.idealifeassembly.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Peer-reviewed, published, replicated, honest-to-goodness, gold-standard scientific research leads us to make this heartfelt request to you: Come and join us in Fairfield for any number of days between Oct 12th and Nov 12th. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We're inside three weeks to the election.Days.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Friends, Today we are now at 35 days and tomorrow, this Tuesday, is one month before the general election for the United States of America President, and what then will become the complexion of governance of our USA. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We ask your help to be with us now in a meditation of coherence. Come now. Come quickly and assemble. There is ample housing and stores of plenty here to keep you here. Certainly it is up to you to assemble. You might stay at home alone in a comfort of your house and room but never will you be able to do so great a thing as to assemble with this now. Come quickly as you can, come now to Fairfield, Iowa for the enhancement of a collective peace in meditation. Arrange your affairs quickly and come directly. In numbers gathered close it will be our great honor and privilege to be meditating together with you alongside. Come join in the collective practice of group meditation. We flatter ourselves, therefore, that, in this case, too, nothing will be wanting which the World has a right to expect of your valor. It is time to assemble in collective meditation. Jai Guru You! -Doug in Fairfield, Iowa ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 37 Days to
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists
Transcendence is a word applied to an activity. That of going from one state of knowing to another. From what we know or assume, to what we did not know. We do not know that which we do not know until we know it. Therefore the result of transcendence cannot be determined beforehand. We cannot know what it is or what it can or cannot do. In relation to consciousness, the word maya represents the barrier preventing us from knowing. "Maya is that which allows us to perceive objects as being separate from the Self, when in reality they are not separate from the Self." ——Maharishi If that barrier is removed, then we know. What we know is not beyond us. Therefore, there is no transcendent, only transcendence removing ignorance. Once we know this, there is not even transcendence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Transcendentalism, ..has the power to transform lives, The power to transform.. But at face value, ever since Maharishi left India in the 1950’s he seems to have been about revolution as these transcendentalism definitions say it too. Transformation. He did everything inciting revolution in the world: Spiritual [SRM], education, public health, religion, politics [NLP], government. It was all about revolution (transcendentalism). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Radical Transcendentalism? These are good observations and question. Evidently ‘respectability’ didn’t work very well for ™ after the 1970’s the way that they did it. Revolutionary is another narrative of our being transcendentalists who look to broad transformations that may now be more in keeping with these times now. Your definitions on transcendentalism are fine and could be added in well with the recent threads on transcendentalism here that were explored before you joined FFL. (You can find those threads gathered on Oct 1 posts in the matrix that is at the bottom of the FFL homepage). Transcendentalists both contemporary and going back in time as a people it seems have an ongoing kind of spirituality way more than the historical artifacts and cultural expression of the 1830’s American movement of Transcendentalists. As a people now we ™’ers fit in with the definitions quite well. A more recent academic definition goes well to describe a spirituality of the meditating community, the Fairfield Transcendental Meditationists but I see it also is describing a wider movement in the current postmodern, evidently a growing ‘spiritual but not religious’ demographic. (in mindfulness and TM, tolle, chopra, centering, oprah, Yogananda ..) Transcendentalism: Our initial working definition of transcendentalism, however, will stress a divine force in each individual, a force that is also linked to nature and has the power to transform lives, as well as social institutions. -Professor Ashton Nichols, Emerson, Thoreau, and the Transcendentalist Movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The triumphal trumpet, radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at respectability. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The UK Dome 20 Years On The triumphal trumpet, radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at respectability. "Radical means advocating advocating complete political or social reform or supporting an extreme section of a idealistic movement." "Transcendentalism is an idealistic philosophical and social movement that developed in New England around 1836 in reaction to rationalism. Influenced by romanticism, Platonism, and Kantian philosophy, it taught that divinity pervades all nature and humanity, and its members held progressive views on feminism and communal living. Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau were central figures." "Postmodernism is an era and a broad movement that developed in the late-20th century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism which marked a departure from modernism typically defined by an attitude of skepticism or distrust toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of Enlightenment rationality, including the existence of objective reality and absolute truth, as well as notions of rationality, human nature, and progress.It asserts that knowledge and truth are the product of unique systems of social, historical, and political discourse and interpretation, and are therefore contextual and constructed." Postmodernism also exhibits a high degree of irrationality, at odds with science. It seems to me this kind of language does not really suit the Transcendental Meditation movement which prides itself on a public face of reli
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
It means people who practice meditation, probably Transcendental Meditation specifically, should meditate in clumps — together — and that presumably will effect the outcome of the election. And that in his view, people are not doing this, and the result he desires will not come to pass. What if someone has the opposite desire and people gather and meditate so that specific desire is fulfilled? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Friends of meditating, we are 15 days out. The Presidential contest is close enough I'm feeling that if we don't whip this right now with meditating collectively in proximity we just might lose the whole thing. What the heck does this mean, Doug? I can't make any sense of it. As we know by experience and the science, numbers meditating and their proximity do matter in collective meditation. I would personally be grateful to you if you would join us now, join us in meditating in Fairfield, Iowa. This is not a usual fight. People often fight for money or land and things but we are meditating for each other here. Come join us in this rare fight. We could use your help. Come join with us now in a collective group of meditation, in Fairfield, Iowa! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Meditators, I would personally be grateful to you if you would join us now, join us in meditating and at the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. This is not a usual fight. People often fight for money or land and things but we are meditating for each other here. Come join us in this rare fight. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Inside of 18 days now. The debates are past. People are deciding now how they are voting and some are early- voting now. It is time now to certainly attend to meditation. “These are the times which try human souls” May All blessings and grace of the Unified Field be upon us now for the work in progress we now have at hand. It is come the time for more meditation, -JaiGuruYou Fairfield Housing for Arriving Meditators: website at: www.idealifeassembly.com http://www.idealifeassembly.com/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Peer-reviewed, published, replicated, honest-to-goodness, gold-standard scientific research leads us to make this heartfelt request to you: Come and join us in Fairfield for any number of days between Oct 12th and Nov 12th. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We're inside three weeks to the election. Days.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Friends, Today we are now at 35 days and tomorrow, this Tuesday, is one month before the general election for the United States of America President, and what then will become the complexion of governance of our USA. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We ask your help to be with us now in a meditation of coherence. Come now. Come quickly and assemble. There is ample housing and stores of plenty here to keep you here. Certainly it is up to you to assemble. You might stay at home alone in a comfort of your house and room but never will you be able to do so great a thing as to assemble with this now. Come quickly as you can, come now to Fairfield, Iowa for the enhancement of a collective peace in meditation. Arrange your affairs quickly and come directly. In numbers gathered close it will be our great honor and privilege to be meditating together with you alongside. Come join in the collective practice of group meditation. We flatter ourselves, therefore, that, in this case, too, nothing will be wanting which the World has a right to expect of your valor. It is time to assemble in collective meditation. Jai Guru You! -Doug in Fairfield, Iowa ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 37 Days to the Presidential Election.. Meditators, Brothers and Sisters in Eternity, Shake your souls! AWAKE! An hour so long waiting for has come. Over a dark firmament of suffering Humanity is rising the Morning Star, heralding the day when we will understand that people’s most sacred duty is to be Human - that is, to manifest LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, TRUTH and LOVE. There is no higher aim, no vaster problem, and you who realize this will break the fetters with which Ignorance & Fear have bound unconscious Humanity, will stand up free, and know yourselves to be the Eternal Manifestation of the Unmanifest, Witnesses of the Absolute, Sons and Daughters of that GREAT ALL, whom you call GOD the Unified Field. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 43 Days to the Election. Maintain your core, Be of Service to all and Rally Now, to Meditation! By our reference of our own experience as transcendentalists and by what is modern science, it is quite time now to assemble ourselves collectively by coming together with other meditators.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Iowa
So, what was described as real, or not real? I live 2,000 miles from Fairfield, so I could not attend. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Iowa Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8:00 PM What Is Real? What Is Not Real? Maharishi on Reality and Maya (Evening 2 of a 2-evening series: The Not-Real) Dr. Evan Finkelstein, MUM Adjunct Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Free. Open to the public. All welcome. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Today, On campus at Dalby Hall:Designing Homes and Cities in Harmony with Natural Law Monday, Oct. 17, 2:00 PM Maharishi Vastu Architecture and Planning ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Monday, Oct. 17, 8:00 PM What Is Real? What Is Not Real? Maharishi on Reality and Maya (Evening 1 of a 2-evening series: The Real) Dr. Evan Finkelstein, MUM Adjunct Professor of Maharishi Vedic ScienceSM Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome. #yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926 -- #yiv6127971926ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926ygrp-mkp #yiv6127971926hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926ygrp-mkp #yiv6127971926ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926ygrp-mkp .yiv6127971926ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926ygrp-mkp .yiv6127971926ad p {margin:0;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926ygrp-mkp .yiv6127971926ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926ygrp-sponsor #yiv6127971926ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926ygrp-sponsor #yiv6127971926ygrp-lc #yiv6127971926hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926ygrp-sponsor #yiv6127971926ygrp-lc .yiv6127971926ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926activity span .yiv6127971926underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6127971926 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6127971926 dd.yiv6127971926last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv6127971926 dd.yiv6127971926last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv6127971926 dd.yiv6127971926last p span.yiv6127971926yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926file-title a, #yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926file-title a:active, #yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926file-title a:hover, #yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926photo-title a, #yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926photo-title a:active, #yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926photo-title a:hover, #yiv6127971926 div.yiv6127971926photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6127971926 div#yiv6127971926ygrp-mlmsg #yiv6127971926ygrp-msg p a span.yiv6127971926yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv6127971926 o {font-size:0;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv6127971926 #yiv6127971926reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv6127971926 .yiv6127971926replb
Re: [FairfieldLife] The UK Dome 20 Years On
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The UK Dome 20 Years On The triumphal trumpet, radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at respectability. "Radical means advocating advocating complete political or social reform or supporting an extreme section of a idealistic movement." "Transcendentalism is an idealistic philosophical and social movement that developed in New England around 1836 in reaction to rationalism. Influenced by romanticism, Platonism, and Kantian philosophy, it taught that divinity pervades all nature and humanity, and its members held progressive views on feminism and communal living. Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau were central figures." "Postmodernism is an era and a broad movement that developed in the late-20th century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism which marked a departure from modernism typically defined by an attitude of skepticism or distrust toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of Enlightenment rationality, including the existence of objective reality and absolute truth, as well as notions of rationality, human nature, and progress.It asserts that knowledge and truth are the product of unique systems of social, historical, and political discourse and interpretation, and are therefore contextual and constructed." Postmodernism also exhibits a high degree of irrationality, at odds with science. It seems to me this kind of language does not really suit the Transcendental Meditation movement which prides itself on a public face of religious neutrality, scientific rigor and as not being a lifestyle or philosophy. It creates a sense of extremism and religious advocacy which does not forward the movement's public image they have cultured for the last 45 years or so, to avoid the appearance of crass Hinduism. The movement has enough trouble with this as it is. What do you think is the best way for TM to be promoted to modern, rational people that have perhaps paid lip service in the direction of spiritual activities, people who are basically secular in outlook and desire? Dome - 20 Years On || |||| Dome - 20 Years On Celebrating 20 years of the Maharishi Golden Dome, Skelmersdale UK. Produced for the anniversary 19th March 2008. John Stanley trumpet tune in D p...|| | View on www.youtube.com |Preview by Yahoo| || #yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802 -- #yiv3832734802ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802ygrp-mkp #yiv3832734802hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802ygrp-mkp #yiv3832734802ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802ygrp-mkp .yiv3832734802ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802ygrp-mkp .yiv3832734802ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802ygrp-mkp .yiv3832734802ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802ygrp-sponsor #yiv3832734802ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802ygrp-sponsor #yiv3832734802ygrp-lc #yiv3832734802hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802ygrp-sponsor #yiv3832734802ygrp-lc .yiv3832734802ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv3832734802 #yiv3832734802activity span .yiv3832734802underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3832734802 .yiv3832734802attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv3832734802 .yiv3832734802attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3832734802 .yiv3832734802attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3832734802 .yiv3832734802attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv3832734802 .yiv3832734802attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3832734802 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv3832734802 .yiv3832734802bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv3832734802 .yiv3832734802bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3832734802 dd.yiv3832734802last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3832734802 dd.yiv3832734802last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family
Re: [FairfieldLife] YS: mahaa-videhaa
It would seem that the passage simply indicates the result of successful practice. From: "he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] YS: mahaa-videhaa YS III 44 (in Judge's "translation-commentary"; can be also at least 43): bahir akalpitaa vRttir mahaa-videhaa; tataH prakaashaavaraNa-kSayah 44. When the ascetic has completely mastered all the influences which the body has upon the inner man, and has laid aside all concern in regard to it, and in no respect is affected by it, the consequence is a removal of all obscurations of the intellect. बहिरकल्पिता वृत्तिर्महाविदेहा ततः प्रकाशावरणक्षयः ॥ ४३॥ Many translators take that suutra (following the YF suutra) containing a separate siddhi-technique, saMyama on mahaa-videhaa (great-bodylessness). Seem to recall almost right away when saw it, seemed to me like a description of one aspect of the experience during YF. (The word saMyama is absent in that suutra, but, have to admit, so is it in many of the siddhi suutras proper.) Anyhoo, Judge is one of the rare commentators that seem to agree with me. At leasthis "translation" doesn't seem to me to consider that suutra being instruction fora separate siddhi? Other translations: [HA]: When The Unimagined Conception Can Be Held Outside, i.e. Unconnected With The Body, It Is Called Mahavideha Or The Great Discarnate. By Samyam On That The Veil Over The Illumination (Of Buddhisattva) Is Removed.[IT]: (44):The power of contacting the state of consciousness which is outside the intellect and is therefore inconceivable is called Maha-videha. From it is destroyed the covering of light.[VH]: The non-imaginary (actual) external vrtti activity (defining citta) is the great out-of-body state. From that, the dispersing of the covering of light.[BM]: The turning of thought without reference to the external world is called “the great disembodied thought”; from which this veil that obscures the light is destroyed.[SS]: (44):By samyama on thought waves unidentified by and external to the body [maha-videha, or the great bodilessness], the veil over the light of the Self is destroyed.[SP]: (44) By making samyama on the thought-waves of the mind when it is separated from the body—the state known as the Great Disincarnation–all coverings can be removed from the light of knowledge.[SV]: (44):By making Samyama on the real modifications of the mind, which are outside, called great disembodiness, comes disappearance of the covering to light. #yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663 -- #yiv5164724663ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663ygrp-mkp #yiv5164724663hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663ygrp-mkp #yiv5164724663ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663ygrp-mkp .yiv5164724663ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663ygrp-mkp .yiv5164724663ad p {margin:0;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663ygrp-mkp .yiv5164724663ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663ygrp-sponsor #yiv5164724663ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663ygrp-sponsor #yiv5164724663ygrp-lc #yiv5164724663hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663ygrp-sponsor #yiv5164724663ygrp-lc .yiv5164724663ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv5164724663 #yiv5164724663activity span .yiv5164724663underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5164724663 .yiv5164724663attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv5164724663 .yiv5164724663attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5164724663 .yiv5164724663attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv5164724663 .yiv5164724663attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv5164724663 .yiv5164724663attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5164724663 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv5164724663 .yiv5164724663bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv5164724663 .yiv5164724663bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5164724663 dd.yiv5164724663last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5164724663 dd.yiv5164724663last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5164724663 dd.y
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One Question
Perhaps they are out, groping about. From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: One Question The Trump supporters on this forum have gone very quiet. I wonder why? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think it's glaringly obvious to anyone. In Trump world, Bill's accusers are, of course, to be believed, but those who accuse Trump of similar things are "horrible liars." He omits to note of course, that he himself said that he did those things to women. So they are merely confirming the truth of his words. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So, how is Trump's besmirching of his female accusers any different or better or more justified than Hillary's alleged attacks against Bill Clinton's accusers? Does Trump not realize he's doing the exact same thing he accuses his opponent of? I haven't seen this point made anywhere in the media yet. What the hell? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/14/look-at-her-i-dont-think-so-trumps-defence-is-to-demean-his-accusers #yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430 -- #yiv3135902430ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-mkp #yiv3135902430hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-mkp #yiv3135902430ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-mkp .yiv3135902430ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-mkp .yiv3135902430ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-mkp .yiv3135902430ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-sponsor #yiv3135902430ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-sponsor #yiv3135902430ygrp-lc #yiv3135902430hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-sponsor #yiv3135902430ygrp-lc .yiv3135902430ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430activity span .yiv3135902430underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3135902430 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3135902430 dd.yiv3135902430last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3135902430 dd.yiv3135902430last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3135902430 dd.yiv3135902430last p span.yiv3135902430yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430file-title a, #yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430file-title a:active, #yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430file-title a:hover, #yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430photo-title a, #yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430photo-title a:active, #yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430photo-title a:hover, #yiv3135902430 div.yiv3135902430photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3135902430 div#yiv3135902430ygrp-mlmsg #yiv3135902430ygrp-msg p a span.yiv3135902430yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv3135902430 o {font-size:0;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv3135902430 .yiv3135902430replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv3135902430 #yiv3135902430ygrp-
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump view "antithetical to American system"
Trump is largely reactive, seems to have no self-awareness or self-reflection capability. Were he to win, I think it is likely he would be impeached at some point, if we are still alive that is. Clinton's policies would be self-ingratiating in other ways and probably financially damaging to the United States on a long-term basis, but not as damaging as Trump. As for taxes (and note the reference to Trump is ironic) — Trump’s real charitable gift: exposing the corruption of the U.S. tax code | | | | || | | | | | Trump’s real charitable gift: exposing the corruption of the U.S. tax code By Fareed Zakaria Thursday, October 6, 2016 Donald Trump has done America a great public service. No, really. By... | | | | From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 2:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump view "antithetical to American system" What the deplorables fail to realize is that they are being played like the saps they are, Trump included. His program of unregulated isolationism, combined with an unhinged and undisciplined nature, has some of the rich and powerful drooling. They can see reducing America to a series of unregulated markets for water, fuel and maybe even the air we breathe. Destroy the environment, sell all Federal land, cut taxes again on the wealthy, jack prices of necessities through the roof, alienate our allies, anger our enemies, and eliminate as many consumer and employee protections here at home, as possible. That is the American vision they see and want. Thankfully the time of such exploiters and environmental rapists is over, and Trump along with them. It is time to literally make them history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's irrelevant to the issue of Trump's threat to investigate and jail Hillary if he's elected. Read the article I linked to--or even just the excerpt I posted. She did nothing criminal--that's already been extensively investigated--so it's irrelevant from that perspective as well. (The fact is, anybody who is still whining about her emails has either been deliberately misled by malicious people who are lying about what happened, or is one of those malicious people.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Anyone would have to be crazy to think that deleting 30,000 emails from a private home-brew computer in a presidential election and during an FBI investigation is irrelevant. It was grossly irresponsible and possible criminal. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bringing up irrelevancies and pretending they're meaningful, as you do all the time, is just another form of lying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Anyone would be crazy to think that I would post irrelevancies, or post lies on this forum, or make negative comments about Hillary's home-brew server. Or, that I would point out that she would delete any mail that was top-secret or classified material, or be friends with Sidney, or have anything to do with running guns in Libya to Syria. Anyone would be nuts to think that I would question the meaning of Bill visiting the U.S. Attorney General when Hillary was being investigated by the FBI. They would be out of their mind to think I could think that her husband was having sexual relations with anyone not his wife! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bringing up irrelevancies and pretending they're meaningful, as you do all the time, is just another form of lying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Anyone would be crazy to think that Hillary Clinton would install a home-brew computer in her basement in order to bypass the federal mail system, or delete 30,000 emails on purpose to obstruct justice. Anyone would be nuts to think she would send her husband to meet with the U.S. Attorney General to make a plea deal. Anyone would have to be insane to think the FBI would give immunity to a key witness in the email investigation. And, anyone would be out of their mind to think that Bill Clinton might have molested a woman! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : GOP ex-prosecutors slam Trump over threat to 'jail' Clinton | | | | | | GOP ex-prosecutors slam Trump over threat to 'jail... "The Justice Department isn't a political tool and it ought not to be employed that way." | | | View on www.politico.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | Excerpt: Donald Trump’s debate-night vow to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton’s email setup and put her “in jail” provoked a sharp blowback from former U.S. prosecutors, who said Trump’s view of the Justice Department serving the whims of the president is antithetical to the American system. While presidents appoint the attorney general, they do not make decisions on whom to prosecute for crimes — and were Trump to do so, prosecuto
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
Disagreeing with another's view is an expression of contempt for that view, particularly if that view is simply dismissed. This seems to be the human condition. Scientists express contempt for other scientists' views but they do have a method to resolve disputes. There does not seem to be an efficient method for this among spiritual or political groups. Who is behind this alias you are accusing me of being? I do not live in Texas, which you seem to imply. From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 2:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM? Yep, thinking the same thing - just another texas two step... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Exactly. Expresses a kind of contempt for the people who actually post on this forum, don't you think? Also, I suspect that "ArchonAngel" is just another alias of the one here who already has too many. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It should be noted that with the exception of Doug, the "consideration of proposals" he describes is not taking place among those who post to this group. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Archer Angel writes: Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject matter here. Archer, I hope you will stick around. You bring up a good point about the branding of FairfieldLife over this Yahoo-Group. There is still consideration going on of proposals as to making this spiritual yahoo-group heave to more exclusive topics of spiritual interest for this next month while so much of a higher spiritual order is going on in Fairfield, Iowa. I may work on these proposals more particularly this next week as I return from some brief travels to that spiritual place of Fairfield, Iowa life. I would look forward to your help with this. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or behavior that is supposed to result from TM. Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject matter here. It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane. #yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328 -- #yiv1963874328ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328ygrp-mkp #yiv1963874328hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328ygrp-mkp #yiv1963874328ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328ygrp-mkp .yiv1963874328ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328ygrp-mkp .yiv1963874328ad p {margin:0;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328ygrp-mkp .yiv1963874328ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328ygrp-sponsor #yiv1963874328ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328ygrp-sponsor #yiv1963874328ygrp-lc #yiv1963874328hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328ygrp-sponsor #yiv1963874328ygrp-lc .yiv1963874328ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv1963874328 #yiv1963874328activity span .yiv1963874328underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1963874328 .yiv1963874328attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv1963874328 .yiv1963874328attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1963874328 .yiv1963874328attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1963874328 .yiv1963874328attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv1963874328 .yiv1963874328attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1963874328 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv1963874328 .yiv1963874328bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv1963874328 .yiv1963874328bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1963874328 dd.yiv1963874328last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1963874328 dd.yiv1963874328last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1963874328 dd.yiv1963874328last p span.yiv1963874328yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv1963874328 div.yiv1963874328attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1963874328 div.yiv1963874328attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv1963874328 div.yiv1963874328file-title a, #yiv1963874328 div.yiv1963874328file-title a:active, #yiv1963874
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
I notice that many male TM teachers seem to now be wearing a sort of standard uniform, a light tan suit. Curious to me that people group by ideology rather than focus on discovery. Discovery undoes what was previously thought, disruptive to ideology. If you think you know what will be found, there is no point in looking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ollie, No not all that here (uniforms, armbands and such) but at least there be a show of a willingness to participate within a framework of civility that the Yahoo-Groups does lay out to foster the group. That has been made plenty clear as it is expected by Yahoo-groups that any group protect civility within discourse itself with self-moderation. Clearly some people are not as able at ‘doing’ groups as others and in extremes some individuals can be hurtful to the life of groups. There is a reliance on a co-operation of self-moderation that is expected or at least implied in participating in any group to facilitate communal benefit for individuals. Joining in to most any group there is a joining in willing conspiracy around mission. Yahoo-Groups makes it clear that its groups should protect the life and mission of its individual groups themselves. Clearly Yahoo-groups asks for self-moderation of everyone in its groups and then it does provide tools to its groups for this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We could all wear [virtual] uniforms, with armbands, and sing choruses of union and triumph over the lesser beings. Perhaps institute a pledge of spiritual allegiance, and march around too. Hey, I like where this is headed! What's next? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People's minds wander naturally but the Internet is a rather unruly place with short attention spans for most things and obsessions that seem to have infinite attention spans. So something needs to keep focus a bit more collected. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Archer Angel writes: Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject matter here. Archer, I hope you will stick around. You bring up a good point about the branding of FairfieldLife over this Yahoo-Group. There is still consideration going on of proposals as to making this spiritual yahoo-group heave to more exclusive topics of spiritual interest for this next month while so much of a higher spiritual order is going on in Fairfield, Iowa. I may work on these proposals more particularly this next week as I return from some brief travels to that spiritual place of Fairfield, Iowa life. I would look forward to your help with this.-JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or behavior that is supposed to result from TM. Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject matter here. It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spooky Secret Behind AI's Incredible Power
Most people do not seem to be able to integrate puruSa and prakRti even after many years of meditation. What would be the the needed properties of the universe that would allow AI to become sentient? Why are we sentient? Is it magic? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm fairly confident AI won't be able to "integrate" puruSa and prakRti??
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
People's minds wander naturally but the Internet is a rather unruly place with short attention spans for most things and obsessions that seem to have infinite attention spans. So something needs to keep focus a bit more collected. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Archer Angel writes: Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject matter here. Archer, I hope you will stick around. You bring up a good point about the branding of FairfieldLife over this Yahoo-Group. There is still consideration going on of proposals as to making this spiritual yahoo-group heave to more exclusive topics of spiritual interest for this next month while so much of a higher spiritual order is going on in Fairfield, Iowa. I may work on these proposals more particularly this next week as I return from some brief travels to that spiritual place of Fairfield, Iowa life. I would look forward to your help with this.-JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or behavior that is supposed to result from TM. Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject matter here. It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Science and spirituality...
Wasn't there another Muktananda some years ago? I remember a photo and it did not look like this guy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Maybe I should go visit the Swami at his ashram in Dallas on Labor Day and get him to demonstrate some yoga postures. Apparently many swamis from India teach devotees how to get down on their hands and knees to perform the Surya Namaskar. According to what I've read, these retreats include "yoga, meditation, subtle body relaxation, Keertans, spiritual discourses, outdoor chantings, and cultural events." There is apparently a Q & A session too - I've got a few question to ask him about performing the Ashtanga Asana. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Svaamii Mukundaananda* at Stanford University: Stanford University - Science and Spirituality Part 1 of 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdOVadhs9pg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdOVadhs9pg Stanford University - Science and Spirituality Part 1 of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdOVadhs9pg Swamiji was at Stanford University on September 30th, 2011 (Friday) to deliver an enlightening talk on the topic of "Science and Spirituality". The lectur... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdOVadhs9pg Preview by Yahoo * Bliss (aananda) of the giver (-da) of Liberation (muku[m - sic?] = Vishnu?)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
But as I did learn TM quite some time ago, "TM" is an abbreviation for Transcendental Meditation. It seems to be a variant of mantra yoga, and it was pretty easy to practice. There are other techniques, such as just sitting there, or noticing breathing. Thinking things over is usually called contemplation even though some call it meditation or meditations. As for mental phenomena, I would agree there is silence or not, or thinking or other experiences in the mind. My understanding of the word transcending is going beyond a certain range or limit. Many people seem to restrict their lives to a much narrower expanse. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There is no "TM" - that's just an acronym made up by the Maharishi. Meditation simply means "to think things over." Based on the definition of meditation, almost everyone on the entire planet thinks! Nobody could go a single day without once or twice pausing to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we are all transcending, all the time. There's no TM - there is only silence, or not, or a mind that thinks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : To be clear this is NOT a group about TM but about people who have practiced TM and have that in common. There are a lot of diverse interests here. On 10/10/2016 12:21 PM, Archer Angel archonangel@... mailto:archonangel@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: So TM fosters abnormality? That would seem to make sense. awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yes, we are all insane. We have nothing better to do than sit in front of our computers and talk ! about yoga postures, politics and each other. We have been doing this for years. Unfortunately, every single one of us (except one and she is the most normal-sounding person here) has practiced TM at some time or another in our lives for years, even decades. What do you think of that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:archonangel@... wrote : I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or behavior that is supposed to result from TM. Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject matter here. It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
I did practice TM for a fair amount of time, but went on to other things due to unresponsive teachers unable to answer questions I had. I have always had some trouble with the terminology used by spiritual groups. In the end it always seems inconsistent. Very few seem to talk this kind of talk as if they knew what it meant. . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Preciselybesides there seems to be differing opinions on what's "spiritual". Also, I question the completeness of TM as a technique leading to Enlightenment. It might be a good start but I haven't seen much evidence that it activates the Kundalini and opens the chakras, especially the ajna or 3-rd eye chakra (the subtle anatomy of which is described in the Kundalini Care book.) Limiting the topic to purusha would be a woefully inadequate approach, imo; even by MMY;'s standards since Brahman has two-in-One aspects. All of relative existence counts for something.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
Didn't your Maharishi say something like "as you are so you are faced with?" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh, sorry. It's just that we've come to associate Trump supporters with boorish behavior. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM? Trump supporter, hmm? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or behavior that is supposed to result from TM. Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject matter here. It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM?
I was referring to how TM is advertised compared to results. Eggs came before chickens. Dinosaurs are the ancestors of chickens. It just seems something is missing from the understanding of TM meditators as a group, though I suppose there are individual exceptions. Groups sharing a common interested often show a collective insanity. I use that word in a loose fashion, as if one were talking of Jehovah's Witnesses or something like that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So TM fosters abnormality? That would seem to make sense. I don't think so but I don't think it 'cures' abnormality either. You seem to suggest TM should be able to do this but lots of people here have argued that TM has taken 'abnormal' people and made them psychotic or worse. I wouldn't necessarily go that far unless someone decided to drop everything and do something silly like enter into some Purusha or Mother Divine lifestyle. That could be enough to drive someone crazy but, then, what came first - the crazy chicken or the cracked egg? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I take it from the content here that no one here practices TM Or if they do, get any benefits from TM, or display any of the intelligence or behavior that is supposed to result from TM. Maybe the group could be renamed to something more in line with the subject matter here. It seems to be a pit of vipers and the insane. Yes, we are all insane. We have nothing better to do than sit in front of our computers and talk about yoga postures, politics and each other. We have been doing this for years. Unfortunately, every single one of us (except one and she is the most normal-sounding person here) has practiced TM at some time or another in our lives for years, even decades. What do you think of that?