Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[anartaxius]

The following link is to a page where the attempt is made to explain, or at 
least illuminate the idea of creation from 'nothing' without a god. I debate 
the sentence 'It takes a Knower to conceive of space and time'. It takes a mind 
to conceive of space and time. A 'knower' might be conceived of as being 
required for experience (i.e. consciousness). But as to whether this 
consciousness is separate from or identical with what is experienced depends on 
whatever that perceptual quality of experience is. If the latter, there is no 
Knower, only the experience. The more integrated one's experience is, the less 
room there is for a knower, or something that *has* the experience, the 
experience simply exists, and that is that. The mind conceives space and time, 
the consciousness makes that an experience, in some mysterious way, but 
separating out these things as various facets creates problems of logical 
coherency. 

 http://infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[salyavin808]

You still aren't including the previous post! 

 Space is a conceptual construct huh? So there was no planet earth wheeling its 
way through space before the people on it perceived it? That makes everything 
else a bit tricky, little matters like evolution must be a fraud.
 

 Quantum tunnelling works on the principle that random fluctuations occur in 
time as well as space, they are popping about all the time and it only took one 
to hop into the region before the big bang where space didn't exist and all of 
a sudden it would. You can argue with the likes of Hawking and Stenger as much 
as you want but you have to really understand them first and I don't.
 

 Would like to see the ideas of this "overwhelming" number of scientists that 
can see beyond the start of the universe...
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Salyavin, 

 Without space and time, nothing will exist, hence no matter.  By logical 
reasoning, you can understand that space is a conceptual construct, such as the 
idea of length, width and height.  It takes a Knower to conceive of space and 
time.  As such, how is it possible for nothing or even a random quantum 
fluctuation start space, time and the universe?  This is the reason why I 
strongly disagree with the ideas proposed by Hawking  and Krauss relating to 
the beginning of the universe.
 

 By the way, an overwhelming majority of current scientists believe that they 
can prove what happened before our universe began.  Roger Penrose is one of 
them.  You can watch his lecture on this on YouTube.  He believes that he can 
scientifically prove his theory by using space probes.  But so far he has 
failed to show any results.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[jr_esq]

Salyavin, 

 Without space and time, nothing will exist, hence no matter.  By logical 
reasoning, you can understand that space is a conceptual construct, such as the 
idea of length, width and height.  It takes a Knower to conceive of space and 
time.  As such, how is it possible for nothing or even a random quantum 
fluctuation start space, time and the universe?  This is the reason why I 
strongly disagree with the ideas proposed by Hawking  and Krauss relating to 
the beginning of the universe.
 

 By the way, an overwhelming majority of current scientists believe that they 
can prove what happened before our universe began.  Roger Penrose is one of 
them.  You can watch his lecture on this on YouTube.  He believes that he can 
scientifically prove his theory by using space probes.  But so far he has 
failed to show any results.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[salyavin808]

 Space is where matter lives, it's what dimensions like length or depth give 
us. Time is the arrow of entropy, the way in which matter in the universe 
interacts. Without matter there would be no time, just as there was no space 
before the big bang that started the whole thing off. What came before that we 
cannot know.
 

 I don't believe anything, but quantum tunnelling is a good guess as to how 
space got started. Whether it will stand the test of time or get superceded is 
beyond me but it's a universe without need of gods or prime movers or unified 
consciousness (whatever that might mean) so it appeals for a lot of reasons, 
the main one being that involving creators of any sort doesn't answer any 
questions it just pushes them further down the line to some presumably 
ineffable and unmeasurable superbeing.
 

 Which is what your quantum wave idea does. However you want to look at it, if 
something has been projected there must have been a projector and someone who 
decided what gets projected. The two ways I told you it was a non-starter hold 
up: We live on an evolving world and quantum waves (which are mathematical 
descriptions anyway) can't contain more information than what they consist of 
because they wouldn't be quantum, and therefore random, anymore.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Salyavin, 

 How do you suppose that space/time was created in the universe?  Do you 
believe that a random quantum fluctuation created this concept?  I'll explain 
my ideas after I get your responses to the questions above.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[jr_esq]

Salyavin, 

 How do you suppose that space/time was created in the universe?  Do you 
believe that a random quantum fluctuation created this concept?  I'll explain 
my ideas after I get your responses to the questions above.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[Share Long]

noozguru, I like what you say here, but probably can only intelligently comment 
on a bit of it. Anyway, I read years ago that dolphins and whale carry the 
secret of time travel in their DNA. I love that idea, even if it hasn't been 
scientifically validated.

What I've noticed the past few years is a phenomenon of inter species harmony. 
Like men hugging lions and tigers befriending goats and a goose befriending a 
dog. I think it indicates that all species on earth are more similar than we 
ever thought.

Organic machines? Built by genes to propogate themselves?





On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:04 AM, Bhairitu  wrote:
 
  
I could have answered this last night but as I often do decided to see how 
others responded to the idea or your question.  My immediate response would 
have been the same as salyavin's: it gets us to reality.

But then their is Jr's interest in finding other humanoid species
  to communicate with.   What about learning to communicate with the
  other intelligent species we have right here on earth?  We know
  that dolphins and whales are very intelligent and I don't think
  they are our inferiors just because they don't build tall
  buildings or use computers (though given a proper interface they
  might).  And then there was the news item the other day that dogs
  brains are wired like human brains.  Or that cats see humans as
  just bigger cats.  IOW, we are just beginning to understand our
  fellow creatures.

Or as a computer scientist I enjoy seeing the predictable
  discoveries made trying to create intelligent machines.  Just the
  other day I was reading about the robots which can build something
  with minimal intelligence just emulating how termites build their
  mounds.  I would take it a step further to say that insects are
  nothing more than organic machines.  Or possibly further that
  animals may be nothing more than organic machines.  And that would
  include humans.  And finally that "God" may be nothing but
  something recognizable as a mathematical equation (and possibly a
  simple one) that due to it's formula just creates this illusion of
  "worlds."

Just sayin'.


On 02/23/2014 06:03 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
>
>
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>You are placing too much value on the human species.  We are probably just a 
>blip in Earth's history.  A million years from now something else maybe better 
>will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence.  So it 
>goes.
>
>
>Sure, and where does this theory get us?
>
>
>
>On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... wrote:
>>
>  
>>Share,
>>
>>
>>I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
>>beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
>>so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
>>places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
>>
>>
>>Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, 
>>is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  
>>At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[Bhairitu]

I could have answered this last night but as I often do decided to see 
how others responded to the idea or your question.  My immediate 
response would have been the same as salyavin's: it gets us to reality.


But then their is Jr's interest in finding other humanoid species to 
communicate with.   What about learning to communicate with the other 
intelligent species we have right here on earth?  We know that dolphins 
and whales are very intelligent and I don't think they are our inferiors 
just because they don't build tall buildings or use computers (though 
given a proper interface they might).  And then there was the news item 
the other day that dogs brains are wired like human brains.  Or that 
cats see humans as just bigger cats.  IOW, we are just beginning to 
understand our fellow creatures.


Or as a computer scientist I enjoy seeing the predictable discoveries 
made trying to create intelligent machines.  Just the other day I was 
reading about the robots which can build something with minimal 
intelligence just emulating how termites build their mounds.  I would 
take it a step further to say that insects are nothing more than organic 
machines.  Or possibly further that animals may be nothing more than 
organic machines.  And that would include humans.  And finally that 
"God" may be nothing but something recognizable as a mathematical 
equation (and possibly a simple one) that due to it's formula just 
creates this illusion of "worlds."


Just sayin'.


On 02/23/2014 06:03 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

You are placing too much value on the human species.  We are probably 
just a blip in Earth's history.  A million years from now something 
else maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find 
fossils of our existence.  So it goes.


Sure, and where does this theory get us?


On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@...  wrote:


Share,


I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of 
human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the 
universe.  If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making 
this happen at such disparate places.  Perhaps the holographic theory 
of the universe may be true.


Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these 
exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even 
visit their worlds?  At this time, our technology is not advanced 
enough to make this happen.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Exactly where the people who prefer to believe in God and Woo Woo never want 
to go.
 

 What I've never understood is why so many people react so strongly to being 
considered what they are -- insignificant and ordinary. Seems to me that's the 
very essence of enlightenment, if it exists.

 

 Insignificant and ordinary are relative terms. Like I've said many times here: 
nothing for me is insignificant and ordinary. Everything I see and touch and 
feel in a day are little miracles, are astounding in some way. Whether this is 
reality or not is inconsequential to me. Whether this means you approve or not 
is of no importance to me. You live in your world and I will continue to live 
in mine. You are extremely judgmental, as if you care what others think and do, 
which of course you do, but fail to admit to.
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
 
 
   Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
 
 You are placing too much value on the human species.  We are probably just a 
blip in Earth's history.  A million years from now something else maybe better 
will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence.  So it 
goes.
 

 Sure, and where does this theory get us?
 
 
 On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote:
 
   Share,
 

 I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
 

 Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
 

 


 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[authfriend]

Actually, classical theists (about the only theologians who were around "of 
old") would have been wowed by the latest cosmological knowledge, but they 
wouldn't have felt their theism to be the least bit threatened by it. 

 The total perspective vortex that cosmology has turned into would have shocked 
the theists of old utterly rigid, which is why I feel honoured to be around now 
when all this stuff is being discovered, it's so much better for being just 
what it is. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[TurquoiseBee]

I completely agree. I feel completely *inspired* by the randomness of it all, 
and the fact that it all evolved on its own into as fun a mystery as it did. 

I honestly don't "get" those who seem to live for the fantasy that they 
"understand" the mystery, or that they've "figured it out." Pure unicorn crap, 
IMO. They don't have any more of a clue than anyone else on this planet ever 
has, or will ever have. They just like to believe they have because it makes 
them feel important and keeps their existential angst at bay. 

But that's the kicker that I really don't understand. WHY would anyone want to 
be "important?" What about the grand mystery that is everyday life is "not 
enough" for them? All of their attempts to make life seem like "more" seem to 
*diminish* the wonder, not celebrate it. Go figure.

Especially the idea that all of this was "designed" or "planned" by 
someone/something that is wise and all-knowing and benevolent? Give me a 
fuckin' break. If the universe we see around us on planet Earth was designed by 
someone/something, God is either a total incompetent or a sadist or both. 

I always liked the old counterculture witticism from the 60s: "Reality is a 
crutch for those who can't handle drugs." My version is: "God is a crutch for 
those who can't handle the infinite wonder of reality." :-)





____________
 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
 


  
Yes, I love the idea that we are insignificant specks that won't even be 
noticed by of the rest of the universe. Life on Earth will be a light that 
flared briefly before returning to darkness, the second law of thermodynamics 
in all its sinister and inevitable glory. 

And it makes it all seem so much more precious to me that we seem to have got 
here self propelled and without any interference from gods or aliens, I get a 
sense of wonder that is probably the same as everyone elses but don't like 
ascribing it to whatever without good reason The total perspective vortex that 
cosmology has turned into would have shocked the theists of old utterly rigid, 
which is why I feel honoured to be around now when all this stuff is being 
discovered, it's so much better for being just what it is.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Exactly where the people who prefer to believe in God and Woo Woo never want to 
go.

What I've never understood is why so many people react so strongly to being 
considered what they are -- insignificant and ordinary. Seems to me that's the 
very essence of enlightenment, if it
exists.



________
 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be
Weird



 
Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


>>
>>You are placing too much value on the
human species.  We are probably just a blip in Earth's history.  A
million years from now something else maybe better will have taken
our place. They may only find fossils of our existence.  So it
goes.
>>
>>
>>Sure, and where does this theory get us?
>>
>>
>>
>>On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... wrote:
>>>
>> 
>>>Share,
>>>
>>>
>>>I was thinking along the lines of life, including the
existence of human beings, as a reflection of the
abundance of life in the universe.  If this is so, then
what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such
disparate places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the
universe may be true.
>>>
>>>
>>>Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids
in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate
with them or even visit their worlds?  At this time, our
technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[salyavin808]

Yes, I love the idea that we are insignificant specks that won't even be 
noticed by of the rest of the universe. Life on Earth will be a light that 
flared briefly before returning to darkness, the second law of thermodynamics 
in all its sinister and inevitable glory.  

 And it makes it all seem so much more precious to me that we seem to have got 
here self propelled and without any interference from gods or aliens, I get a 
sense of wonder that is probably the same as everyone elses but don't like 
ascribing it to whatever without good reason The total perspective vortex that 
cosmology has turned into would have shocked the theists of old utterly rigid, 
which is why I feel honoured to be around now when all this stuff is being 
discovered, it's so much better for being just what it is.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Exactly where the people who prefer to believe in God and Woo Woo never want 
to go.
 

 What I've never understood is why so many people react so strongly to being 
considered what they are -- insignificant and ordinary. Seems to me that's the 
very essence of enlightenment, if it exists.

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
 
 
   Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
 
 You are placing too much value on the human species.  We are probably just a 
blip in Earth's history.  A million years from now something else maybe better 
will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence.  So it 
goes.
 

 Sure, and where does this theory get us?
 
 
 On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote:
 
   Share,
 

 I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
 

 Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
 

 


 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[TurquoiseBee]

Exactly where the people who prefer to believe in God and Woo Woo never want to 
go.

What I've never understood is why so many people react so strongly to being 
considered what they are -- insignificant and ordinary. Seems to me that's the 
very essence of enlightenment, if it exists.




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
 


  
Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


>
>You are placing too much value on the
human species.  We are probably just a blip in Earth's history.  A
million years from now something else maybe better will have taken
our place. They may only find fossils of our existence.  So it
goes.
>
>
>Sure, and where does this theory get us?
>
>
>
>On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... wrote:
>>
> 
>>Share,
>>
>>
>>I was thinking along the lines of life, including the
existence of human beings, as a reflection of the
abundance of life in the universe.  If this is so, then
what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such
disparate places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the
universe may be true.
>>
>>
>>Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids
in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate
with them or even visit their worlds?  At this time, our
technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[salyavin808]

Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 You are placing too much value on the human species.  We are probably just a 
blip in Earth's history.  A million years from now something else maybe better 
will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence.  So it 
goes.
 

 Sure, and where does this theory get us?
 
 
 On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote:
 
   Share,
 

 I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
 

 Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[salyavin808]

 PS quantum waves (which aren't really waves) don't carry information, 
especially information like that! They are information but only have two 
parameters, speed and mass. They do make up the information (that which 
distinguishes one thing from another)  in the rest of the universe but they 
don't decide what those things are, that is decided by higher order laws.
 

 The big trouble with the idea of information like us being transmitted across 
space is that everything would need to have been predecided by something and as 
we are in an evolving system that can't have been the case.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Share, 

 I don't believe the creation of the universe was due to a random event.  
That's where Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss and other scientists have failed 
to understand.  They have failed to see the connection between consciousness 
and matter.  In simple terms, space exists because there is Someone who 
conceived of a length, width, and height and maintains this concept as time 
progresses.
 

 A random quantum fluctuation could not possibly conceive and maintain this 
concept of space and time.  So, how can this random quantum fluctuation start 
and maintain the universe?
 

 IMO, the universe was started by a quantum wave function which contain the 
embedded information to create the Big Bang, light, space/time, the galaxies, 
stars, planets, one-celled organisms, living beings including plants, animals 
and human beings.  The DNA is part of the quantum wave function which gets 
triggered to create the higher forms of life culminating to human beings.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do 
with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it 
was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it 
speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the 
holographic idea. 
 

 
 
 On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, "jr_esq@..."  wrote:
 
   Share,
 

 I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
 

 Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
 

 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[salyavin808]

You can't say that it won't happen again but it was a fluke on this planet, but 
then with so many bacteria sliming about maybe it was bound to happen sooner or 
later? But it wasn't necessary, there is no grand plan unless it's one that 
does its best not to look like one! 

 This holographic idea that John has got fixed on doesn't explain how it looks 
like undirected genetic meandering. Think how many hominid types there have 
been, they dig up a new one each week, but we are the only survivors with just 
a slight edge over the Neanderthals. If the ice age were still in full flow 
would they be the majority humans still? Evolution is as much luck as 
superiority, being in the right place at the right time goes a long way to 
survival.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do 
with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it 
was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it 
speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the 
holographic idea. 
 

 
 
 On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, "jr_esq@..."  wrote:
 
   Share,
 

 I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
 

 Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
 

 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[salyavin808]

Consciousness is created in the brain and there isn't any evidence to suggest 
otherwise. So there's a bit of faulty logic in thinking that "Someone" is need 
to maintain it as it would get along without us just fine. 

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Share, 

 I don't believe the creation of the universe was due to a random event.  
That's where Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss and other scientists have failed 
to understand.  They have failed to see the connection between consciousness 
and matter.  In simple terms, space exists because there is Someone who 
conceived of a length, width, and height and maintains this concept as time 
progresses.
 

 A random quantum fluctuation could not possibly conceive and maintain this 
concept of space and time.  So, how can this random quantum fluctuation start 
and maintain the universe?
 

 IMO, the universe was started by a quantum wave function which contain the 
embedded information to create the Big Bang, light, space/time, the galaxies, 
stars, planets, one-celled organisms, living beings including plants, animals 
and human beings.  The DNA is part of the quantum wave function which gets 
triggered to create the higher forms of life culminating to human beings.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do 
with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it 
was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it 
speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the 
holographic idea. 
 

 
 
 On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, "jr_esq@..."  wrote:
 
   Share,
 

 I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
 

 Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
 

 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[jr_esq]

Share, 

 I don't believe the creation of the universe was due to a random event.  
That's where Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss and other scientists have failed 
to understand.  They have failed to see the connection between consciousness 
and matter.  In simple terms, space exists because there is Someone who 
conceived of a length, width, and height and maintains this concept as time 
progresses.
 

 A random quantum fluctuation could not possibly conceive and maintain this 
concept of space and time.  So, how can this random quantum fluctuation start 
and maintain the universe?
 

 IMO, the universe was started by a quantum wave function which contain the 
embedded information to create the Big Bang, light, space/time, the galaxies, 
stars, planets, one-celled organisms, living beings including plants, animals 
and human beings.  The DNA is part of the quantum wave function which gets 
triggered to create the higher forms of life culminating to human beings.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do 
with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it 
was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it 
speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the 
holographic idea. 
 

 
 
 On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, "jr_esq@..."  wrote:
 
   Share,
 

 I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
 

 Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
 

 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[jr_esq]

Ann, 

 That's an excellent question.  Let's hear what he has to say about your 
inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[jr_esq]

Bhairitu, 

 IMO, human beings already have the physiology to inherit the earth, if not the 
universe.  The key to this inheritance is the ability to gain samadhi and to 
maintain it at the various lower states of consciousness.  A sloka in the Shiva 
sutras confirms this statement as well as the statements of MMY.
 

 This is the reason why MMY stated that TMers can gain the support of Nature in 
all their activities.  IMO, he's saying that, in scientific terms, the human 
being who is able to function at the highest spacial dimension can attain an 
automatic command of Nature's operations.  As such, whatever he or she wishes 
and wants come true.  IOW, the highest spacial dimension is equivalent to the 
highest state of consciousness.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[Share Long]

John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do 
with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it 
was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it 
speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the 
holographic idea. 





On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com"  
wrote:
 
  
Share,

I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.

Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 You are placing too much value on the human species.  We are probably just a 
blip in Earth's history.  A million years from now something else maybe better 
will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence.  So it 
goes.
 

 Sure, and where does this theory get us?
 
 
 On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote:
 
   Share,
 

 I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
 

 Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[Bhairitu]

You are placing too much value on the human species.  We are probably 
just a blip in Earth's history.  A million years from now something else 
maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of 
our existence.  So it goes.



On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Share,


I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of 
human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the 
universe.  If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this 
happen at such disparate places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of 
the universe may be true.


Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these 
exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even 
visit their worlds?  At this time, our technology is not advanced 
enough to make this happen.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[jr_esq]

Share, 

 I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human 
beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe.  If this is 
so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate 
places.  Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true.
 

 Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is 
it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds?  At 
this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[Share Long]

John, what you say sounds true and quite profound. But can you say more about 
what you mean when you say that exoplanets will help us understand ourselves?





On Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:23 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com"  
wrote:
 
  
Share,

That was a nice article.  Thanks for posting.  The more we know about these 
exoplanets, the more we'll understand them.  In the long run, they'll teach us 
about ourselves.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[jr_esq]

Share, 

 That was a nice article.  Thanks for posting.  The more we know about these 
exoplanets, the more we'll understand them.  In the long run, they'll teach us 
about ourselves.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[Share Long]

John, here's an inspiring article about a woman who searches for exoplanets.

http://www.dailygood.org/2014/01/29/a-great-potential-for-love/





On Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:02 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com"  
wrote:
 
  
They may exist around suns that are considered red dwarfs.  Life in them could 
be strange, such as plants with black leaves in order to gather sunlight for 
photosynthesis.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/13/5405788/exoplanet-search-for-habitable-planets

[FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird

[jr_esq]

They may exist around suns that are considered red dwarfs.  Life in them could 
be strange, such as plants with black leaves in order to gather sunlight for 
photosynthesis. 

 
http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/13/5405788/exoplanet-search-for-habitable-planets
 
http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/13/5405788/exoplanet-search-for-habitable-planets