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Personally I'd like to see a warning label on every bottle of soda, every candy bar, every donut and muffin! I think the obesity epidemic continues to claim a lot of victims and I think is very much contributing to the decline of the US. I think addictions have to be dealt with on the physiological level too because they exist on that level, even the food addictions. It's not even enough to scare people about it. Johnny Gray has an interesting take on celebrities, that they take on a lot of energy from their audiences. Obviously some can handle it better than others. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:31 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow Anne. No doubt you can look at it that way. And I can't dispute what you are saying. But where do you draw the line? Distillers? Tobacco companies? They are profiteers as well, no? I certainly agree that the temptations for celebrities are greater in that they have the means to indulge a habit if they are susceptible that way. In fact, I marvel that a celebrity can resist temptations. But I guess, for many simply the fame may be enough, as long as they get enough hits that way. But caveat emptor still rules. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Not exactly along the lines of what you are saying, but it seems like there was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug. I wonder, really, why that would be? What are they guilty of besides engaging in an illegal transaction. They didn't kill him, did they? The drug appears to have been properly labeled. The dude just offed himself. I'm sure not intentionally, but as you say sometimes happens, he pushed it just a tad too far. Drug dealers are slimy profiteers and yes, they sort of did kill him. These amoral assholes prey on all celebrities and non-celebrities alike but there are so many things available to famous people - drugs being just one out of the many perks - dealers are so eager to be able to boast about supplying A-listers. You have to be really strong to resist what is so easy to obtain when you are famous. So, yes, I do think the suppliers should be tracked down. Just like the doctor (Conrad Murray) who administered propofol to Michael Jackson; he was just a drug dealer in the end and he was imprisoned for it. In this world there are those who are predators and those who are easy victims. I do not believe whoever supplied Philip with heroin is as sorry for his death as he/she/they is scared that he/she/they is/are going to get caught ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re increase in deaths due to heroin laced with fentanyl : That's a possible explanation. Another is that the heroin he injected was purer - stronger - than the usual stuff doing the rounds and he should have used a smaller dose. But stronger/purer heroin is more desirable than heroin cut with filler - as long as you're aware of what you're injecting. I knew a Scottish smack addict who confided to me one time that whenever he heard of a junkie dying of an overdose his first thought was never sympathy but was always: I wonder who the dead addict bought that batch from? and Can I get my hands on some for myself .
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Seraph, though it may well be true that drug dealers are selfish, I don't think that label, or any labels really, are gonna be much help in dealing with the problem. Drug users need to be helped on the physiological level as well as psychological. These addictions, even behavior ones like gambling, have strong chemical bases. I agree with you that people will look for someone to blame. But I think that the screwedupness or imbalances of our whole society is to blame. For example, why do people become drug dealers? I've heard that it's to support their family! I'm making a joke but I do think the financial imbalances create a lot of fear and desperation in people. And then people take desperate measures. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:51 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re There was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug.: My thoughts exactly. If the pusher is caught he's going to have the book thrown at him. Prepare yourself for some cringe-making playing to the gallery in the court as the dealer is cast as the scum of the earth. Hoffman was a fully-paid-up adult and has to take responsibility for his own actions. What led him to addiction can only be known by his close family and friends and I'm not in the business of judging his choices (though his now not being there for his children is the real tragedy). One psychologist who specialised in drug users came to the conclusion that those who allow drugs to dominate their lives are essentially *selfish*. Although that sounds simplistic and judgemental it has the ring of truth to it as far as I'm concerned. I first seriously noticed Hoffman in The Talented Mr. Ripley which remains one of my very favourite modern films. Playing an obnoxious Yank abroad he dominated every scene he appeared in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8
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With heroin, it's worse than just chemical or psychological. Heroin use permanently changes the physical structure of the brain. Once a person has become addicted, even if they stop using and stay clean for decades (as Hoffman did), they still have the brain of an addict and are thus at very, very high risk of relapse at any time. Drug users need to be helped on the physiological level as well as psychological. These addictions, even behavior ones like gambling, have strong chemical bases.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraph, though it may well be true that drug dealers are selfish, I don't think that label, or any labels really, are gonna be much help in dealing with the problem. I think the idea was that addicts were selfish, we already know dealers don't give a crap about their customers. Addicts are only selfish in that their world revolves around having the drug of their choice. In this, they are willing to give up everything to have that drug; it is their best friend and it is essential to their very existence, or so they believe. So, in this way addicts are willing to turn their backs on all else that might be important and vital in their lives in order to stay prostrating themselves at the altar of their chosen addictive substance. But, that is not selfish to me as much as it is blind and indicative of overwhelming with need. Drug users need to be helped on the physiological level as well as psychological. These addictions, even behavior ones like gambling, have strong chemical bases. I think this is a well-established fact. I agree with you that people will look for someone to blame. But I think that the screwedupness or imbalances of our whole society is to blame. For example, why do people become drug dealers? I've heard that it's to support their family! Huh? I'm making a joke but I do think the financial imbalances create a lot of fear and desperation in people. And then people take desperate measures. I've completely lost you here. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:51 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote: Re There was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug.: My thoughts exactly. If the pusher is caught he's going to have the book thrown at him. Prepare yourself for some cringe-making playing to the gallery in the court as the dealer is cast as the scum of the earth. Hoffman was a fully-paid-up adult and has to take responsibility for his own actions. What led him to addiction can only be known by his close family and friends and I'm not in the business of judging his choices (though his now not being there for his children is the real tragedy). One psychologist who specialised in drug users came to the conclusion that those who allow drugs to dominate their lives are essentially *selfish*. Although that sounds simplistic and judgemental it has the ring of truth to it as far as I'm concerned. I first seriously noticed Hoffman in The Talented Mr. Ripley which remains one of my very favourite modern films. Playing an obnoxious Yank abroad he dominated every scene he appeared in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8
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Somehow I never knew this before. Thanks Judy. On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 7:51 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: With heroin, it's worse than just chemical or psychological. Heroin use permanently changes the physical structure of the brain. Once a person has become addicted, even if they stop using and stay clean for decades (as Hoffman did), they still have the brain of an addict and are thus at very, very high risk of relapse at any time. Drug users need to be helped on the physiological level as well as psychological. These addictions, even behavior ones like gambling, have strong chemical bases.
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Ann, I was making reference to some TV shows in which people become drug dealers to support their family. Selfish is a strange word. But I agree with you that if people are truly selfish, then they take good care of themselves. And that benefits others. One of life's wonderful ironies! Lots of snow outside. Walked to town flying hall with my neighbor Wes. I was headed into a drift when he came along! After program, got my car out of another drift. Yay! On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:35 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraph, though it may well be true that drug dealers are selfish, I don't think that label, or any labels really, are gonna be much help in dealing with the problem. I think the idea was that addicts were selfish, we already know dealers don't give a crap about their customers. Addicts are only selfish in that their world revolves around having the drug of their choice. In this, they are willing to give up everything to have that drug; it is their best friend and it is essential to their very existence, or so they believe. So, in this way addicts are willing to turn their backs on all else that might be important and vital in their lives in order to stay prostrating themselves at the altar of their chosen addictive substance. But, that is not selfish to me as much as it is blind and indicative of overwhelming with need. Drug users need to be helped on the physiological level as well as psychological. These addictions, even behavior ones like gambling, have strong chemical bases. I think this is a well-established fact. I agree with you that people will look for someone to blame. But I think that the screwedupness or imbalances of our whole society is to blame. For example, why do people become drug dealers? I've heard that it's to support their family! Huh? I'm making a joke but I do think the financial imbalances create a lot of fear and desperation in people. And then people take desperate measures. I've completely lost you here. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:51 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote: Re There was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug.: My thoughts exactly. If the pusher is caught he's going to have the book thrown at him. Prepare yourself for some cringe-making playing to the gallery in the court as the dealer is cast as the scum of the earth. Hoffman was a fully-paid-up adult and has to take responsibility for his own actions. What led him to addiction can only be known by his close family and friends and I'm not in the business of judging his choices (though his now not being there for his children is the real tragedy). One psychologist who specialised in drug users came to the conclusion that those who allow drugs to dominate their lives are essentially *selfish*. Although that sounds simplistic and judgemental it has the ring of truth to it as far as I'm concerned. I first seriously noticed Hoffman in The Talented Mr. Ripley which remains one of my very favourite modern films. Playing an obnoxious Yank abroad he dominated every scene he appeared in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8
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ReI think the idea was that addicts were selfish, we already know dealers don't give a crap about their customers.: Yes - it was drug users I referred to. The point was that people who are prepared to put themselves out for others (eg, mothers raising children) don't tend to use drugs; people whose approach to life is essentially self-centred are more likely to gravitate towards drug use. So there's a correlation between selfishness and drug abuse. As that's a judgemental statement people don't like to say it but I suspect it's true (if you throw in a lot of caveats and exceptions to the rule). But it's possible that Ann's right and we're putting the cart before the horse: becoming drug-dependent makes you self-absorbed as a necessary by-product.
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Share is referring to the TV series Breaking Bad. Ann, I was making reference to some TV shows in which people become drug dealers to support their family.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ann, I was making reference to some TV shows in which people become drug dealers to support their family. But TV shows aren't real life, at least the last time I checked. Selfish is a strange word. But I agree with you that if people are truly selfish, then they take good care of themselves. And that benefits others. One of life's wonderful ironies! But I didn't say that. I never said to be selfish is to take good care of themselves, in fact, in the case of addicts they make all the wrong decisions. They hurt those who love them, they abandon them emotionally if not physically, they degrade their bodies, imperil their jobs and the list goes on and on. When you are an addict nobody benefits, at least in the short term. With luck and a lot of grace one can emerge stronger, smarter, wiser and so can those who love the addict but it is a damn hard and long road and that particular journey does not end with abstinence. Lots of snow outside. Walked to town flying hall with my neighbor Wes. I was headed into a drift when he came along! After program, got my car out of another drift. Yay! On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:35 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraph, though it may well be true that drug dealers are selfish, I don't think that label, or any labels really, are gonna be much help in dealing with the problem. I think the idea was that addicts were selfish, we already know dealers don't give a crap about their customers. Addicts are only selfish in that their world revolves around having the drug of their choice. In this, they are willing to give up everything to have that drug; it is their best friend and it is essential to their very existence, or so they believe. So, in this way addicts are willing to turn their backs on all else that might be important and vital in their lives in order to stay prostrating themselves at the altar of their chosen addictive substance. But, that is not selfish to me as much as it is blind and indicative of overwhelming with need. Drug users need to be helped on the physiological level as well as psychological. These addictions, even behavior ones like gambling, have strong chemical bases. I think this is a well-established fact. I agree with you that people will look for someone to blame. But I think that the screwedupness or imbalances of our whole society is to blame. For example, why do people become drug dealers? I've heard that it's to support their family! Huh? I'm making a joke but I do think the financial imbalances create a lot of fear and desperation in people. And then people take desperate measures. I've completely lost you here. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:51 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote: Re There was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug.: My thoughts exactly. If the pusher is caught he's going to have the book thrown at him. Prepare yourself for some cringe-making playing to the gallery in the court as the dealer is cast as the scum of the earth. Hoffman was a fully-paid-up adult and has to take responsibility for his own actions. What led him to addiction can only be known by his close family and friends and I'm not in the business of judging his choices (though his now not being there for his children is the real tragedy). One psychologist who specialised in drug users came to the conclusion that those who allow drugs to dominate their lives are essentially *selfish*. Although that sounds simplistic and judgemental it has the ring of truth to it as far as I'm concerned. I first seriously noticed Hoffman in The Talented Mr. Ripley which remains one of my very favourite modern films. Playing an obnoxious Yank abroad he dominated every scene he appeared in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8
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Most people spend a life they don't know what to do with, wishing they had another one that lasted forever. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: 7thray, It's a good thing you believe in an afterlife. There are some people who don't.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: after a drug overdose. I am just speculating that it might go something like this. Wht the fuck, where am I!? Uh, dude, you've passed over What the fuck are you talking about. I've got to pick up my kids in a few minutes Uh, you're not going to see your kids anymore. You've passed on son No, I didn't. I was just taking a hit. It was no big deal Well you went a little overboard. See for yourself No, no, that can't be right. Really, I can kick this stuff Well, maybe next time dude. Maybe next time. I'll leave you be for a while so you can see what see what the scene's like that you left behind After a while I'll come and see how you are doing, and we can make some plans Reflecting... God Damnit, God Damnit. Why did I have to do this shit Actually, I was thinking about this myself. This is why this has a tragic element for me; I am pretty sure, can't tell you exactly why and I could be very wrong, that Phillip didn't mean to die. There have been plenty of overdoses that didn't mean to die, but dead they are. I had just been listening to NPR coming home from work and hearing about the increase in deaths due to heroin laced with fentanyl and then the very next day I hear of Phillip's death. I guess we can only conjecture on what the death experience would be having overdosed and, unwittingly at that. Is there confusion? Fear? Is one stuck between living and dying somewhere on some plane? Or is one simply deader than a doornail with nothing to show for it but a flaccid corpse with drug paraphernalia sticking out of one's arm?
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Re Most people spend a life they don't know what to do with, wishing they had another one that lasted forever.: That's actually quite profound! I thought it might be a quote but couldn't trace it via Google. Well done you.
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Re increase in deaths due to heroin laced with fentanyl : That's a possible explanation. Another is that the heroin he injected is was purer - stronger - than the usual stuff doing the rounds and he should have used a smaller dose. But stronger/purer heroin is more desirable than heroin cut with filler - as long as you're aware of what you're injecting. I knew a Scottish smack addict who confided to me one time that whenever he heard of a junkie dying of an overdose his first thought was never sympathy but was always: I wonder who the dead addict bought that batch from? and Can I get my hands on some for myself .
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Re increase in deaths due to heroin laced with fentanyl : That's a possible explanation. Another is that the heroin he injected was purer - stronger - than the usual stuff doing the rounds and he should have used a smaller dose. But stronger/purer heroin is more desirable than heroin cut with filler - as long as you're aware of what you're injecting. I knew a Scottish smack addict who confided to me one time that whenever he heard of a junkie dying of an overdose his first thought was never sympathy but was always: I wonder who the dead addict bought that batch from? and Can I get my hands on some for myself .
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Not exactly along the lines of what you are saying, but it seems like there was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug. I wonder, really, why that would be? What are they guilty of besides engaging in an illegal transaction. They didn't kill him, did they? The drug appears to have been properly labeled. The dude just offed himself. I'm sure not intentionally, but as you say sometimes happens, he pushed it just a tad too far. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re increase in deaths due to heroin laced with fentanyl : That's a possible explanation. Another is that the heroin he injected was purer - stronger - than the usual stuff doing the rounds and he should have used a smaller dose. But stronger/purer heroin is more desirable than heroin cut with filler - as long as you're aware of what you're injecting. I knew a Scottish smack addict who confided to me one time that whenever he heard of a junkie dying of an overdose his first thought was never sympathy but was always: I wonder who the dead addict bought that batch from? and Can I get my hands on some for myself .
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Not exactly along the lines of what you are saying, but it seems like there was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug. I wonder, really, why that would be? What are they guilty of besides engaging in an illegal transaction. They didn't kill him, did they? The drug appears to have been properly labeled. The dude just offed himself. I'm sure not intentionally, but as you say sometimes happens, he pushed it just a tad too far. Drug dealers are slimy profiteers and yes, they sort of did kill him. These amoral assholes prey on all celebrities and non-celebrities alike but there are so many things available to famous people - drugs being just one out of the many perks - dealers are so eager to be able to boast about supplying A-listers. You have to be really strong to resist what is so easy to obtain when you are famous. So, yes, I do think the suppliers should be tracked down. Just like the doctor (Conrad Murray) who administered propofol to Michael Jackson; he was just a drug dealer in the end and he was imprisoned for it. In this world there are those who are predators and those who are easy victims. I do not believe whoever supplied Philip with heroin is as sorry for his death as he/she/they is scared that he/she/they is/are going to get caught ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re increase in deaths due to heroin laced with fentanyl : That's a possible explanation. Another is that the heroin he injected was purer - stronger - than the usual stuff doing the rounds and he should have used a smaller dose. But stronger/purer heroin is more desirable than heroin cut with filler - as long as you're aware of what you're injecting. I knew a Scottish smack addict who confided to me one time that whenever he heard of a junkie dying of an overdose his first thought was never sympathy but was always: I wonder who the dead addict bought that batch from? and Can I get my hands on some for myself .
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Re There was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug.: My thoughts exactly. If the pusher is caught he's going to have the book thrown at him. Prepare yourself for some cringe-making playing to the gallery in the court as the dealer is cast as the scum of the earth. Hoffman was a fully-paid-up adult and has to take responsibility for his own actions. What led him to addiction can only be known by his close family and friends and I'm not in the business of judging his choices (though his now not being there for his children is the real tragedy). One psychologist who specialised in drug users came to the conclusion that those who allow drugs to dominate their lives are essentially *selfish*. Although that sounds simplistic and judgemental it has the ring of truth to it as far as I'm concerned. I first seriously noticed Hoffman in The Talented Mr. Ripley which remains one of my very favourite modern films. Playing an obnoxious Yank abroad he dominated every scene he appeared in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8
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Wow Anne. No doubt you can look at it that way. And I can't dispute what you are saying. But where do you draw the line? Distillers? Tobacco companies? They are profiteers as well, no? I certainly agree that the temptations for celebrities are greater in that they have the means to indulge a habit if they are susceptible that way. In fact, I marvel that a celebrity can resist temptations. But I guess, for many simply the fame may be enough, as long as they get enough hits that way. But caveat emptor still rules. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Not exactly along the lines of what you are saying, but it seems like there was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug. I wonder, really, why that would be? What are they guilty of besides engaging in an illegal transaction. They didn't kill him, did they? The drug appears to have been properly labeled. The dude just offed himself. I'm sure not intentionally, but as you say sometimes happens, he pushed it just a tad too far. Drug dealers are slimy profiteers and yes, they sort of did kill him. These amoral assholes prey on all celebrities and non-celebrities alike but there are so many things available to famous people - drugs being just one out of the many perks - dealers are so eager to be able to boast about supplying A-listers. You have to be really strong to resist what is so easy to obtain when you are famous. So, yes, I do think the suppliers should be tracked down. Just like the doctor (Conrad Murray) who administered propofol to Michael Jackson; he was just a drug dealer in the end and he was imprisoned for it. In this world there are those who are predators and those who are easy victims. I do not believe whoever supplied Philip with heroin is as sorry for his death as he/she/they is scared that he/she/they is/are going to get caught ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re increase in deaths due to heroin laced with fentanyl : That's a possible explanation. Another is that the heroin he injected was purer - stronger - than the usual stuff doing the rounds and he should have used a smaller dose. But stronger/purer heroin is more desirable than heroin cut with filler - as long as you're aware of what you're injecting. I knew a Scottish smack addict who confided to me one time that whenever he heard of a junkie dying of an overdose his first thought was never sympathy but was always: I wonder who the dead addict bought that batch from? and Can I get my hands on some for myself .
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: snip One psychologist who specialised in drug users came to the conclusion that those who allow drugs to dominate their lives are essentially *selfish*. Although that sounds simplistic and judgemental it has the ring of truth to it as far as I'm concerned. Let's face it. He died with his lover still attached. I first seriously noticed Hoffman in The Talented Mr. Ripley which remains one of my very favourite modern films. Playing an obnoxious Yank abroad he dominated every scene he appeared in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: snip One psychologist who specialised in drug users came to the conclusion that those who allow drugs to dominate their lives are essentially *selfish*. Although that sounds simplistic and judgemental it has the ring of truth to it as far as I'm concerned. Let's face it. He died with his lover still attached. You speak true enough. For the addict, his/her addiction, the poison of choice, is the best friend in the world. It is the thing they will give up all else to have, at least for a while. It always amazes me the heroism involved in overcoming addiction. It is so difficult; it is really one of the ultimate tests of strength. I first seriously noticed Hoffman in The Talented Mr. Ripley which remains one of my very favourite modern films. Playing an obnoxious Yank abroad he dominated every scene he appeared in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq462kfFKI8
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Looks like they got the dealers, but they can't be prosecuted for Hoffman's death in New York State. And there isn't going to be some big public Trial of the Century. Hoffman was no innocent. Have the book thrown at him?? You're sounding like a bad TV cop show. Ever heard of plea bargains? Re There was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug.: My thoughts exactly. If the pusher is caught he's going to have the book thrown at him. Prepare yourself for some cringe-making playing to the gallery in the court as the dealer is cast as the scum of the earth.
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7thray, It's a good thing you believe in an afterlife. There are some people who don't.
