[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Speaking about the politics and what Paul Weldstone stood for is not what was objectionable. It was the political attacking the chanting the ranting and raving and the booing that normal people found objectionable. It was not a time of peace and reflection on his accomplishments. It turned into attack on his political opponents. No class, cheap,and despirate. For an *accurate* account of what went on at the Wellstone (not Weldstone) service and how egregiously the right-wingers distorted it, plus some comments on Coretta Scott King's funeral, see this piece from the Huffington Post: http://tinyurl.com/9z5up Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
In a message dated 2/9/06 11:14:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wellstone. Remember the son getting up at the mic and chanting: We will win, We will win!Right. As you noted, it was right before theelection. Wellstone had been running for reelection,you see. Wellstone was an exceptionally popularcrusading senator in Minnesota and among progressives."We will win" was an _expression_ of hope that hislegacy would be carried on. Such expressions arequite common at funerals. And the booing of republicans that attended the funeral. Such Class!This was *wildly* exaggerated by the right wing.There were only a few people who booed Trent Lott.The right wing pretended it had been the wholeaudience.I wonder how many would have booed had it been thefuneral of a wildly popular Republican senator whohad been tragically killed just before running forreelection, and former president Clinton had walkedin. Right, nice try at justifying the chanting of a son and crowd for political purposes at a Funeral/Pep Rally. The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. Who booed Clinton when he came to Ronald Reagan's funeral where he and wife coped a few *z's* on the front row? The only remark I heard about that was from some comedian that commented late that it was probably the first time they had slept together in years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
In a message dated 2/9/06 11:15:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. Absolutely incredible.Not so incredible once you know the way this woman thinks.She supports old racist and segregationists like Al Gore Sr. who voted against the Civil Rights Act because she'll defend Democrats uber alles. What I found incredible was that She can defend to the hilt or apologize for Robert Kennedy who was allowing the spying on of an American civil rights leader who did no harm to anybody but became the closest thing to an American saint. Yet, bash Bush using his authority to protect American citizens from acts of terrorism like we saw on 911 and for years prior to that. I would just like Judy to tell me the name of one American citizen that has been spied on illegally. Perhaps Al Qaida needs a *bill of rights*. I really believe in my heart of hearts that America's most liberal are really pissed that terrorism hasn't hit home again big time just so they can blame it on Bush. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
In a message dated 2/9/06 11:31:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, a lot of people actually *believed* theextraordinary exaggerations and distortions spread by the right wing about the funeral. Wrong Judy! They saw it for themselves on TV! It was played over and over again. It was a total disgrace and was repugnant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/9/06 11:14:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wellstone. Remember the son getting up at the mic and chanting: We will win, We will win! Right. As you noted, it was right before the election. Wellstone had been running for reelection, you see. Wellstone was an exceptionally popular crusading senator in Minnesota and among progressives. We will win was an expression of hope that his legacy would be carried on. Such expressions are quite common at funerals. And the booing of republicans that attended the funeral. Such Class! This was *wildly* exaggerated by the right wing. There were only a few people who booed Trent Lott. The right wing pretended it had been the whole audience. I wonder how many would have booed had it been the funeral of a wildly popular Republican senator who had been tragically killed just before running for reelection, and former president Clinton had walked in. Right, nice try at justifying the chanting of a son and crowd for political purposes at a Funeral/Pep Rally. That wasn't a justification; it *needed* no justification, as I've already pointed out (to no response from you). The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Who booed Clinton when he came to Ronald Reagan's funeral where he and wife coped a few *z's* on the front row? Have some more Kool-Aid. Boy, they really have you going. The only remark I heard about that was from some comedian that commented late that it was probably the first time they had slept together in years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/9/06 11:15:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. Absolutely incredible. Not so incredible once you know the way this woman thinks. She supports old racist and segregationists like Al Gore Sr. who voted against the Civil Rights Act because she'll defend Democrats uber alles. What I found incredible was that She can defend to the hilt or apologize for Robert Kennedy who was allowing the spying on of an American civil rights leader who did no harm to anybody but became the closest thing to an American saint. I explicitly said he should not have done it. Then I pointed out that he underwent a major transformation in his character after his brother's death. Do you deny either of those points? Yet, bash Bush using his authority to protect American citizens from acts of terrorism like we saw on 911 and for years prior to that. You are going to croak from Kool-Aid poisoning. I would just like Judy to tell me the name of one American citizen that has been spied on illegally. How can I do that? The administration certainly isn't going to tell me, nor has it informed the innocent people that they've been illegally spied upon. However, those in a position to know say many thousands of Americans have been surveilled, and in almost all cases no connection to terrorism has been found. Perhaps Al Qaida needs a *bill of rights*. I really believe in my heart of hearts that America's most liberal are really pissed that terrorism hasn't hit home again big time just so they can blame it on Bush. If you really believe that, you're *deeply* disturbed. In any case, the conclusive rebuttal to the right- wingers who claim the administration should be allowed to spy on Americans is: President Hillary Rodham Clinton. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/9/06 11:31:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, a lot of people actually *believed* the extraordinary exaggerations and distortions spread by the right wing about the funeral. Wrong Judy! They saw it for themselves on TV! It was played over and over again. It was a total disgrace and was repugnant. As I said: The *commentary* on the funeral significantly exaggerated and distorted what actually went on. Plus which, the notion that people should not say anything political at the funeral of a popular politician who had been running for reelection when he was tragically killed is so downright *stupid* it's almost impossible to imagine anybody actually thinking it made any sense. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right. As you noted, it was right before the election. Wellstone had been running for reelection, you see. Wellstone was an exceptionally popular crusading senator in Minnesota and among progressives. "We will win" was an _expression_ of hope that his legacy would be carried on. Such expressions are quite common at funerals. Oh really? Maybe you can fill us in on some of these other funerals where the eulogizers and attendees all break out in chanting and spewing hatred and venom towards their political foes. Since it's so common I'm sure you can tell us about 2 or 3 of them you personally witnessed. Abby Hoffman or Bobby Seal maybe? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude.The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it.Those who were actually *there* at the rally are veryclear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. I guess all the sound techs for all the major stations could have been republicans, part of the right wing conspiracy, who all conspired to turn up and distort the booing to make it sound really bad. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who booed Clinton when he came to Ronald Reagan's funeral where he and wife coped a few *z's* on the front row?Have some more Kool-Aid. Boy, they really have yougoing. You said republicans would have done the same. I gave you the closest example of Clinton attending a funeral for a republican and no such thing ever occurred. He was treated with dignity and respect and nobody took political pot shots at him. Clearly , well mannered people know how to conduct themselves at a funeral or memorial and come together in peaceto honor the fallen person regardless of their political positions. And then, some just don't get it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
In a message dated 2/10/06 10:54:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can I do that? The administration certainlyisn't going to tell me, nor has it informed theinnocent people that they've been illegally spiedupon.However, those in a position to know say manythousands of Americans have been surveilled, andin almost all cases no connection to terrorism hasbeen found. Relying on hearsay? Have you heard the whole story? Do you have all the facts? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Honor Civility, RIP To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right. As you noted, it was right before the election. Wellstone had been running for reelection, you see. Wellstone was an exceptionally popular crusading senator in Minnesota and among progressives. We will win was an expression of hope that his legacy would be carried on.Such expressions are quite common at funerals. Oh really? Maybe you can fill us in on some of these other funerals where the eulogizers and attendees all break out in chanting and spewing hatred and venom towards their political foes. I don't believe that was the kind of service I said was very common, actually. But then your description doesn't fit the Wellstone service either. What hatred and venom towards their political foes was spewed? From what I read and saw, the politically oriented portion of the service (about 20 minutes out of several hours, BTW) was pro-liberal, not anti-conservative. Since it's so common I'm sure you can tell us about 2 or 3 of them you personally witnessed. Obviously services for popular politicians tragically killed right before an election don't happen very often. Services for politicians and activists who die in other contexts, however, in which speakers talk about the deceased's goals and express the hope that those goals will continue to be pursued are, as I noted, very common. In fact, it would be *unusual* if they did not. Abby Hoffman or Bobby Seal maybe? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. Oh, please. Of course they all did it, just as they all did it with the Dean scream, simply because it makes a better story. I guess all the sound techs for all the major stations could have been epublicans, part of the right wing conspiracy, who all conspired to turn up and distort the booing to make it sound really bad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who booed Clinton when he came to Ronald Reagan's funeral where he and wife coped a few *z's* on the front row? Have some more Kool-Aid. Boy, they really have you going. You said republicans would have done the same. I gave you the closest example of Clinton attending a funeral for a republican For *Ronald Reagan*. Not close enough, sorry. and no such thing ever occurred. He was treated with dignity and respect and nobody took political pot shots at him. Clearly , well mannered people know how to conduct themselves at a funeral or memorial and come together in peace to honor the fallen person regardless of their political positions. And then, some just don't get it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. Oh, please. Of course they all did it, just as they all did it with the Dean scream, simply because it makes a better story. Fox News has been showing a clip a black preacher speaking at the service with the sound edited out and then commenting on how no-one applauded the guy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/9/06 11:15:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, shempmcgurk@ writes: Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. Absolutely incredible. Not so incredible once you know the way this woman thinks. She supports old racist and segregationists like Al Gore Sr. who voted against the Civil Rights Act because she'll defend Democrats uber alles. What I found incredible was that She can defend to the hilt or apologize for Robert Kennedy who was allowing the spying on of an American civil rights leader who did no harm to anybody but became the closest thing to an American saint. I explicitly said he should not have done it. Then I pointed out that he underwent a major transformation in his character after his brother's death. Do you deny either of those points? Yet, bash Bush using his authority to protect American citizens from acts of terrorism like we saw on 911 and for years prior to that. You are going to croak from Kool-Aid poisoning. I would just like Judy to tell me the name of one American citizen that has been spied on illegally. How can I do that? The administration certainly isn't going to tell me, nor has it informed the innocent people that they've been illegally spied upon. However, those in a position to know say many thousands of Americans have been surveilled, and in almost all cases no connection to terrorism has been found. Perhaps Al Qaida needs a *bill of rights*. I really believe in my heart of hearts that America's most liberal are really pissed that terrorism hasn't hit home again big time just so they can blame it on Bush. If you really believe that, you're *deeply* disturbed. In any case, the conclusive rebuttal to the right- wingers who claim the administration should be allowed to spy on Americans is: President Hillary Rodham Clinton. If her presidency will be anything like her husband's, I would support her 100%. Bill Clinton's presidency was characterized by the implementation of conservative principals we haven't seen since Reagan. Certainly, no one can say that the present Bush administration -- and Republican House and Senate! -- with its tax and spend $2.4 trillion deficit and intact Social Security program and still intact progressive income tax system is conservative...it isn't. So why not try another Clinton administration along with a Republican House and Senate, as was the case for 6 of 8 Bill Clinton years? Of course, it irks me that a woman whose only claim to fame is that she is a wife of a somebody and is a nobody in her own right can aspire to the presidency...especially when a MUCH more qualified and self-made woman like Condi Rice will be available... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:54:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can I do that? The administration certainly isn't going to tell me, nor has it informed the innocent people that they've been illegally spied upon. However, those in a position to know say many thousands of Americans have been surveilled, and in almost all cases no connection to terrorism has been found. Relying on hearsay? Relying on what's been reported in the newspapers of what these people have said. There was a major story in the NY Times last week. And even Gonzales has said he couldn't guarantee the program wouldn't spy on innocent Americans. Have you heard the whole story? Do you have all the facts? I don't believe there is anything more to the facts of what I stated: thousands of Americans have been surveilled, and in almost all cases no connection to terrorism has been found. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. Oh, please. Of course they all did it, just as they all did it with the Dean scream, simply because it makes a better story. It's very possible that the TV station sound techs were anti-TMers as well. I wouldn't trust anybody if I were you. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:58:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Plus which, the notion that people should not say anything political at the funeral of a popular politician who had been running for reelection when he was tragically killed is so downright *stupid* it's almost impossible to imagine anybody actually thinking it made any sense. Speaking about the politics and what Paul Weldstone stood for is not what was objectionable. It was the political attacking Please quote the attacks. the chanting What's wrong with chanting? the ranting and raving You'll have to be more specific. And remember the circumstances--who Wellstone was and when he was killed. and the booing Nobody liked the booing, but it wasn't *nearly* as bad as it has been portrayed, as I've already pointed out. that normal people found objectionable. It was not a time of peace and reflection on his accomplishments. It turned into attack on his political opponents. Please quote the attacks on his political opponents. Just quote *one* attack. No class, cheap,and despirate. To me, telling mourners how to conduct a memorial service for someone they loved and you didn't is about as lacking in class as anything I can think of. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. I guess all the sound techs for all the major stations could have been republicans, part of the right wing conspiracy, who all conspired to turn up and distort the booing to make it sound really bad. Probably due to the acoustics of the Church/Temple/meeting hall where the funeral was taking place. Reminds me of the State of the Union Address by Clinton during the Monica scandal. That was the one where there was serious discussion about not having Clinton appear (which would have been hard to do seeing that the State of the Union is a constitutional requirement) due to the scandal. But he did speak...and because of the acoustics of the House or Senate (not sure which is the one in which the president gives the address), even just one person cheering or clapping sounds like 20 people... And this went a long way towards Clinton saving his presidency because the impression it gave was that many, many people were cheering him regardless of the actual number who were because of the acoustics. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. Oh, please. Of course they all did it, just as they all did it with the Dean scream, simply because it makes a better story. Fox News has been showing a clip a black preacher speaking at the service with the sound edited out and then commenting on how no-one applauded the guy. CNN and MSNBC as well. Actually the clip shows about 5 seconds of the standing ovation for Lowery's comment about WMD when in fact it lasted 20 seconds. Fifteen seconds were edited out of the clip with no indication the clip had been altered. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. I guess all the sound techs for all the major stations could have been republicans, part of the right wing conspiracy, who all conspired to turn up and distort the booing to make it sound really bad. Probably due to the acoustics of the Church/Temple/meeting hall where the funeral was taking place. Reminds me of the State of the Union Address by Clinton during the Monica scandal. That was the one where there was serious discussion about not having Clinton appear (which would have been hard to do seeing that the State of the Union is a constitutional requirement) The Constitution does not require him to give a speech to Congress, just for the record. On the other hand, there wasn't any serious discussion about not having him appear either. due to the scandal. But he did speak...and because of the acoustics of the House or Senate (not sure which is the one in which the president gives the address), even just one person cheering or clapping sounds like 20 people... And this went a long way towards Clinton saving his presidency because the impression it gave was that many, many people were cheering him regardless of the actual number who were because of the acoustics. Nonsense. Clinton's ratings were way high already, Monica or no Monica. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. I guess all the sound techs for all the major stations could have been republicans, part of the right wing conspiracy, who all conspired to turn up and distort the booing to make it sound really bad. Probably due to the acoustics of the Church/Temple/meeting hall where the funeral was taking place. Reminds me of the State of the Union Address by Clinton during the Monica scandal. That was the one where there was serious discussion about not having Clinton appear (which would have been hard to do seeing that the State of the Union is a constitutional requirement) The Constitution does not require him to give a speech to Congress, just for the record. On the other hand, there wasn't any serious discussion about not having him appear either. due to the scandal. But he did speak...and because of the acoustics of the House or Senate (not sure which is the one in which the president gives the address), even just one person cheering or clapping sounds like 20 people... And this went a long way towards Clinton saving his presidency because the impression it gave was that many, many people were cheering him regardless of the actual number who were because of the acoustics. Nonsense. Clinton's ratings were way high already, Monica or no Monica. This was right at the time that the scandal broke. Indeed, that Sunday on ABC's This Week Sam Donaldson predicted that Clinton would resign that week. Easy to say nonsense in hindsight. There was serious discussion that his presidency was over at the time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: [snip] Fox News has been showing a clip a black preacher speaking at the service with the sound edited out and then commenting on how no-one applauded the guy. CNN and MSNBC as well. Actually the clip shows about 5 seconds of the standing ovation for Lowery's comment about WMD when in fact it lasted 20 seconds. Fifteen seconds were edited out of the clip with no indication the clip had been altered. Ya just can't trust those sneaky liberal media! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/10/06 10:45:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: The booing of Trent Lott was far from exaggerated, I saw it and heard it and it wasn't just a few. It was loud and rude. The sound was turned up on the clips to exaggerate it. Those who were actually *there* at the rally are very clear that it was just a few people. Nice try again Judy. I saw it live and it was shown on different stations and they were all equally loud. If one turned up and distorted the volume to sound like more, then they all did it, which is a little too much for me to believe. I guess all the sound techs for all the major stations could have been republicans, part of the right wing conspiracy, who all conspired to turn up and distort the booing to make it sound really bad. Probably due to the acoustics of the Church/Temple/meeting hall where the funeral was taking place. Reminds me of the State of the Union Address by Clinton during the Monica scandal. That was the one where there was serious discussion about not having Clinton appear (which would have been hard to do seeing that the State of the Union is a constitutional requirement) The Constitution does not require him to give a speech to Congress, just for the record. On the other hand, there wasn't any serious discussion about not having him appear either. due to the scandal. But he did speak...and because of the acoustics of the House or Senate (not sure which is the one in which the president gives the address), even just one person cheering or clapping sounds like 20 people... And this went a long way towards Clinton saving his presidency because the impression it gave was that many, many people were cheering him regardless of the actual number who were because of the acoustics. Nonsense. Clinton's ratings were way high already, Monica or no Monica. This was right at the time that the scandal broke. Right, when his job approval rating was 59. Following the disclosure in February it went up to 65, and then for the rest of his term--right through impeachment-- it went up and down by a few points, hovering around 65 for most of that period, with a couple of very brief slippages down to 58. Just as I said. Indeed, that Sunday on ABC's This Week Sam Donaldson predicted that Clinton would resign that week. Is that your idea of serious discussion, a prediction from Sam Donaldson? Easy to say nonsense in hindsight. There was serious discussion that his presidency was over at the time. No, there was discussion by know-it-all pundits and hopeful right-wingers. The public was behind Clinton all along, did not want him impeached, by huge majorities, did not want him removed from office. And as I said, there was *no* serious discussion-- i.e., by anybody who counted--that he should not deliver the State of the Union in 1998. To claim that speech saved his presidency is just silly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip However I did have to chuckle when Jimmy Carter tried to take a poke at Bush when he referred to illegal wire tapings and spying on of citizens Martin Luther King and wife. What was so funny was Ted Kennedy was sitting not 30 feet from Carter and it was John Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy that ordered the wire taps on the Kings. OOOPs! Who was Jimmy trying to embarres? You've just embarressed yourself. Here's the Church Commission report on the wiretapping of Dr. King: http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm Read it and weep. * From the link you cite, Robert Kennedy did approve wiretaps on King, although the FBI went further than Kennedy had in mind, evidently: That's the understatement of the month. Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm IV. ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING AND THE SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE Introduction and Summary In October 1963, Attorney General Robert Kennedy approved an FBI request for permission to install wiretaps on phones in Dr. King's home and in the SCLC's New York and Atlanta offices to determine the extent, if any, of communist influence in the racial situation. The FBI construed this authorization to extend to Dr. King's hotel rooms and the home of a friend. No further authorization was sought until mid-1965, after Attorney General Katzenbach required the FBI for the first time to seek renewed authorization for all existing wiretaps. The wiretaps on Dr. King's home were apparently terminated at that time by Attorney General Katzenbach; the SCLC wiretaps were terminated by Attorney General Ramsay Clark in June 1966. In December, 1963 -- three months after Attorney General Kennedy approved the wiretaps -- the FBI, without informing the Attorney General, planned and implemented a secret effort to discredit Dr. King and to neutralize him as the leader of the civil rights movement. One of the first steps in this effort involved hiding microphones in Dr. King's hotel rooms. Those microphones were installed without Attorney General Kennedy's prior authorization or subsequent notification, neither of which were required under practices then current. The FBI continued to place microphones in Dr. King's hotel rooms until November 1965. Attorney General Katzenbach was apparently notified immediately after the fact of the placement of three microphones between May and November 1965. It is not clear why the FBI stopped its microphone surveillance of Dr. King, although its decision may have been related to concern about public exposure during the Long Committee's investigation of electronic surveillance. This chapter examines the legal basis for the wiretaps and microphones, the evidence surrounding the motives for their use, and the degree to which Justice Department and White House officials were aware of the FBI's electronic surveillance of Dr. King. A. Legal Standards Governing the FBI's Duty to Inform the Justice Department of Wiretaps and Microphones During the Period of the Martin Luther King Investigation The FBI's use of wiretaps and microphones to follow Dr. King's activities must be examined in light of the accepted legal standards and practices of the time. Before March 1965, the FBI followed different procedures for the authorization of wiretaps and microphones. Wiretaps required the approval of the Attorney General in advance. However, once the Attorney General had authorized the FBI to initiate wiretap coverage of a subject, the Bureau generally continued the wiretap for as long as it judged necessary. As former Attorney General Katzenbach testified: The custom was not to put a time limit on a tap, or any wiretap authorization. Indeed, I think the Bureau would have felt free in 1965 to put a tap on a phone authorized by Attorney General Jackson before World War II. 130 In national security cases, the FBI was free to carry out microphone surveillances without first seeking the approval of the Attorney General or informing him afterward. The Bureau apparently derived authority for its microphone practice from a 1954 memorandum sent by Attorney General Brownell to Director Hoover, stating: It is clear that in
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip However I did have to chuckle when Jimmy Carter tried to take a poke at Bush when he referred to illegal wire tapings and spying on of citizens Martin Luther King and wife. What was so funny was Ted Kennedy was sitting not 30 feet from Carter and it was John Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy that ordered the wire taps on the Kings. OOOPs! Who was Jimmy trying to embarres? You've just embarressed yourself. Here's the Church Commission report on the wiretapping of Dr. King: http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm Read it and weep. * From the link you cite, Robert Kennedy did approve wiretaps on King, although the FBI went further than Kennedy had in mind, evidently: That's the understatement of the month. Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. Judy Stein, Democratic Party apologist. Fact is that Robert Kennedy was one of the counsels for Joe McCarthy and HUAC...and a very agressive one, to boot. Indeed, if you look closely at George Clooney's movie Good Night and Good Luck in the segments in which he uses actual footage from the hearings you will see RFK sitting right up there on the committee dias 3 or 4 seats down from McCarthy. Of course, Clooney doesn't dwell on this fact or mention it as he much prefers to concentrate on the involvement of those with the assumed evil reputation of right-wingism such as Ray Cohn...and you have to look very closely to see RFK there...I believe it is because it is not politically correct to show a Kennedy on the side of McCarthy. Another reality: when the U.S. Senate voted to censure McCarthy, only one Senator refused to vote for the censure. His name? John F. Kennedy, who was one of McCarthy's best friends... But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm IV. ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING AND THE SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE Introduction and Summary In October 1963, Attorney General Robert Kennedy approved an FBI request for permission to install wiretaps on phones in Dr. King's home and in the SCLC's New York and Atlanta offices to determine the extent, if any, of communist influence in the racial situation. The FBI construed this authorization to extend to Dr. King's hotel rooms and the home of a friend. No further authorization was sought until mid-1965, after Attorney General Katzenbach required the FBI for the first time to seek renewed authorization for all existing wiretaps. The wiretaps on Dr. King's home were apparently terminated at that time by Attorney General Katzenbach; the SCLC wiretaps were terminated by Attorney General Ramsay Clark in June 1966. In December, 1963 -- three months after Attorney General Kennedy approved the wiretaps -- the FBI, without informing the Attorney General, planned and implemented a secret effort to discredit Dr. King and to neutralize him as the leader of the civil rights movement. One of the first steps in this effort involved hiding microphones in Dr. King's hotel rooms. Those microphones were installed without Attorney General Kennedy's prior authorization or subsequent notification, neither of which were required under practices then current. The FBI continued to place microphones in Dr. King's hotel rooms until November 1965. Attorney General Katzenbach was apparently notified immediately after the fact of the placement of three microphones between May and November 1965. It is not clear why the FBI stopped its microphone surveillance of Dr. King, although its decision may have been related to concern about public exposure during the Long Committee's investigation of electronic surveillance. This chapter examines the legal basis for the wiretaps and microphones, the evidence surrounding the motives for their use, and the degree to which Justice Department and White House officials were aware of the FBI's electronic surveillance of Dr. King. A. Legal Standards Governing the FBI's Duty to Inform the Justice Department of Wiretaps and Microphones During the Period of the Martin Luther King Investigation The FBI's use of wiretaps and microphones to
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip However I did have to chuckle when Jimmy Carter tried to take a poke at Bush when he referred to illegal wire tapings and spying on of citizens Martin Luther King and wife. What was so funny was Ted Kennedy was sitting not 30 feet from Carter and it was John Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy that ordered the wire taps on the Kings. OOOPs! Who was Jimmy trying to embarres? You've just embarressed yourself. Here's the Church Commission report on the wiretapping of Dr. King: http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm Read it and weep. * From the link you cite, Robert Kennedy did approve wiretaps on King, although the FBI went further than Kennedy had in mind, evidently: That's the understatement of the month. Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. Of course, it is good ethics not to visit the sins of the father or brother upon the son or brother. But, of course, Teddy is only a senator in the first place because of his family connections, so it is fair game in the eyes of those who place importance upon familial connections. http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm IV. ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING AND THE SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE Introduction and Summary In October 1963, Attorney General Robert Kennedy approved an FBI request for permission to install wiretaps on phones in Dr. King's home and in the SCLC's New York and Atlanta offices to determine the extent, if any, of communist influence in the racial situation. The FBI construed this authorization to extend to Dr. King's hotel rooms and the home of a friend. No further authorization was sought until mid-1965, after Attorney General Katzenbach required the FBI for the first time to seek renewed authorization for all existing wiretaps. The wiretaps on Dr. King's home were apparently terminated at that time by Attorney General Katzenbach; the SCLC wiretaps were terminated by Attorney General Ramsay Clark in June 1966. In December, 1963 -- three months after Attorney General Kennedy approved the wiretaps -- the FBI, without informing the Attorney General, planned and implemented a secret effort to discredit Dr. King and to neutralize him as the leader of the civil rights movement. One of the first steps in this effort involved hiding microphones in Dr. King's hotel rooms. Those microphones were installed without Attorney General Kennedy's prior authorization or subsequent notification, neither of which were required under practices then current. The FBI continued to place microphones in Dr. King's hotel rooms until November 1965. Attorney General Katzenbach was apparently notified immediately after the fact of the placement of three microphones between May and November 1965. It is not clear why the FBI stopped its microphone surveillance of Dr. King, although its decision may have been related to concern about public exposure during the Long Committee's investigation of electronic surveillance. This chapter examines the legal basis for the wiretaps and microphones, the evidence surrounding the motives for their use, and the degree to which Justice Department and White House officials were aware of the FBI's electronic surveillance of Dr. King. A. Legal Standards Governing the FBI's Duty to Inform the Justice Department of Wiretaps and Microphones During the Period of the Martin Luther King Investigation The FBI's use of wiretaps and microphones to follow Dr. King's activities must be examined in light of the accepted legal standards and practices of the time. Before March 1965, the FBI followed different procedures for the authorization of wiretaps and microphones. Wiretaps required the approval of the Attorney General in advance. However, once the Attorney General had authorized the FBI to initiate wiretap coverage of a subject, the Bureau generally continued the wiretap for as long as it judged necessary. As former Attorney General Katzenbach testified: The custom was not to put a time limit on a tap, or any wiretap authorization. Indeed, I think the
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. Judy Stein, Democratic Party apologist. Shemp McGurk, master of the non sequitur. Fact is that Robert Kennedy was one of the counsels for Joe McCarthy and HUAC...and a very agressive one, to boot. Ladies and Gentlemen: I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening, because I have some very sad news for all of you - - Could you lower those signs, please? -- I have some very sad news for all of you, and, I think, sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world; and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee. Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black -- considering the evidence evidently is that there were white people who were responsible -- you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge. We can move in that direction as a country, in greater polarization -- black people amongst blacks, and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand, and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion and love. For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and mistrust of the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man. But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond, or go beyond these rather difficult times. My favorite poem, my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote: Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God. What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black. So I ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King -- yeah, it's true -- but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love -- a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke. We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times. We've had difficult times in the past. And we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; and it's not the end of disorder. But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings that abide in our land. Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people. Thank you very much. --Robert F. Kennedy, April 4, 1968, Indianapolis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. Of course, it is good ethics not to visit the sins of the father or brother upon the son or brother. But, of course, Teddy is only a senator in the first place because of his family connections And his family's commitment to social justice and service, to which he has devoted his life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. Of course, it is good ethics not to visit the sins of the father or brother upon the son or brother. But, of course, Teddy is only a senator in the first place because of his family connections And his family's commitment to social justice and service, to which he has devoted his life. Yeah, especially women...like the one that that is at the bottom of that lake in Chappaquiddick...or that woman that his nephew raped -- oops, I mean DIDN'T rape -- in Florida...or that murder in Conneticut... Yeah, real commitment there, Judith... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip However I did have to chuckle when Jimmy Carter tried to take a poke at Bush when he referred to illegal wire tapings and spying on of citizens Martin Luther King and wife. What was so funny was Ted Kennedy was sitting not 30 feet from Carter and it was John Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy that ordered the wire taps on the Kings. OOOPs! Who was Jimmy trying to embarres? You've just embarressed yourself. Here's the Church Commission report on the wiretapping of Dr. King: http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm Read it and weep. * From the link you cite, Robert Kennedy did approve wiretaps on King, although the FBI went further than Kennedy had in mind, evidently: That's the understatement of the month. Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. *** Of course, Dixon's comments about Ted Kennedy were irrelevant, but the point is that Robert Kennedy did do multiple approvals of the wiretaps. As far as Robert Kennedy's character supposedly making him only a reluctant supporter of the wiretap campaign against King, he was a mutt who loved Sen McCarthy's witchhunt and worked for that lowlife alongside the execrable Roy Cohn. Kennedy defended both his work for McCarthy and McCarthy himself long after even middle of the road Americans were totally disgusted with both: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk2.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: snip Of course, Dixon's comments about Ted Kennedy were irrelevant, but the point is that Robert Kennedy did do multiple approvals of the wiretaps. As far as Robert Kennedy's character supposedly making him only a reluctant supporter of the wiretap campaign against King, he was a mutt who loved Sen McCarthy's witchhunt and worked for that lowlife alongside the execrable Roy Cohn. Kennedy defended both his work for McCarthy and McCarthy himself long after even middle of the road Americans were totally disgusted with both: That was in 1955, and it doesn't necessarily negate reluctance on his part to wiretap King. In any case, most people who have been paying attention are aware that Bobby Kennedy went through a major transformation after JFK was killed. You mean like the transformation George Wallace undertook after he was governor for several terms and ended up garnering more than 90% of the African-American vote? Will you also acknowledge Wallace as transformed, too, and that he turned into a good Democrat, too? The poem by Aeschylus he quoted when he addressed the campaign crowds in Indianapolis to announce MLK's assassination-- Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God. --evidently was an emblem, to him, of his change of heart (and perhaps even a tacit expression of regret for not having treated King properly). http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk2.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
In a message dated 2/8/06 11:09:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another funeral turned pep rally.What were the others, pray tell? The Senator that died in the airplane crash just before the election a few years ago . I think from Minnesota. Paul Weldstone or something. Remember the son getting up at the mic and chanting: We will win, We will win! And the booing of republicans that attended the funeral. Such Class! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/9/06 7:25:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretapsin the first place--at least morally; it was legal forhim to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly.But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behaviorreflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenlyopposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands ofAmericans, is really hard to figure. Absolutely incredible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
In a message dated 2/9/06 6:00:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You mean like the transformation George Wallace undertook after he was governor for several terms and ended up garnering more than 90% of the African-American vote?Will you also acknowledge Wallace as transformed, too, and that he turned into a good Democrat, too? Oh, lets not forget the transformation of the Grand Kleegle Senator Robert *sheets* Byrd! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/8/06 11:09:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another funeral turned pep rally. What were the others, pray tell? The Senator that died in the airplane crash just before the election a few years ago . I think from Minnesota. Paul Weldstone or something. Remember the son getting up at the mic and chanting: We will win, We will win! And the booing of republicans that attended the funeral. Such Class! ...and I think that the Republican won, didn't he? Alot of negative reaction on the part of the voters to that, as I recall... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/8/06 11:09:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another funeral turned pep rally. What were the others, pray tell? The Senator that died in the airplane crash just before the election a few years ago . I think from Minnesota. Paul Weldstone or something. Wellstone. Remember the son getting up at the mic and chanting: We will win, We will win! Right. As you noted, it was right before the election. Wellstone had been running for reelection, you see. Wellstone was an exceptionally popular crusading senator in Minnesota and among progressives. We will win was an expression of hope that his legacy would be carried on. Such expressions are quite common at funerals. And the booing of republicans that attended the funeral. Such Class! This was *wildly* exaggerated by the right wing. There were only a few people who booed Trent Lott. The right wing pretended it had been the whole audience. I wonder how many would have booed had it been the funeral of a wildly popular Republican senator who had been tragically killed just before running for reelection, and former president Clinton had walked in. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/9/06 7:25:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. Absolutely incredible. Not so incredible once you know the way this woman thinks. She supports old racist and segregationists like Al Gore Sr. who voted against the Civil Rights Act because she'll defend Democrats uber alles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip The Senator that died in the airplane crash just before the election a few years ago . I think from Minnesota. Paul Weldstone or something. Remember the son getting up at the mic and chanting: We will win, We will win! And the booing of republicans that attended the funeral. Such Class! ...and I think that the Republican won, didn't he? Alot of negative reaction on the part of the voters to that, as I recall... Yes, a lot of people actually *believed* the extraordinary exaggerations and distortions spread by the right wing about the funeral. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/9/06 7:25:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, jstein@ writes: Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. Absolutely incredible. Not so incredible once you know the way this woman thinks. She supports old racist and segregationists like Al Gore Sr. who voted against the Civil Rights Act because she'll defend Democrats uber alles. Shemp knows Al Gore Sr. was neither a segregationist nor a racist. It's been explained to him in detail and very well documented. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/9/06 7:25:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously Kennedy shouldn't have approved the wiretaps in the first place--at least morally; it was legal for him to do so--and apparently he did so reluctantly. But how MDixon thinks the FBI's vastly worse behavior reflects badly on *Teddy* Kennedy, who has been outspokenly opposed to Bush's ILLEGAL wiretapping of many thousands of Americans, is really hard to figure. Absolutely incredible. Yes, I'm glad you've now seen how ridiculous your position was. I thought it was pretty incredible myself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
