[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/8/05 9:30 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So what do enlightened people who are not Hindu cognize texts in? > > COBOL or BASIC. Funny. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/8/05 9:30 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So what do enlightened people who are not Hindu cognize texts in? COBOL or BASIC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/8/05 1:48 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> True. In the Nath tradition, mundanesthose who do not practice > >> meditation or are totally outside the yogic traditionare called > >> ³pashus², more appropriately, beasts. The implication is that > >> these are beings fit to be ³bound². > >> > >> Overall this article disappointed me as it seems to indicate that > >> Amma has not reached the point in her own realization where the > >> origin of Sanskrit is apparenta language of the Gods and Angels. > > > > Vaj, just as a point, aren't you saying here that you're > > disappointed that Amma hasn't reached the point in her > > own realization where she agrees with you? > > No not at all. There are yogins who even today continue to cognize texts in > Sanskrit and proto-Sanskrit languages. > > > Seems to me that you're pretty convinced that *you* know > > the origin of Sanskrit. It is, in fact, "apparent." > > This strikes me as odd when so many scholars and seers > > are willing to admit they don't have a clue. :-) > > I'm not speaking of an historical origin, but it's basis in consciousness > and it's continuing manifestation from the level of consciousness. I'm not > talking about Sanskrit as an object in space or time, but as something > always available, all of the time. So what do enlightened people who are not Hindu cognize texts in? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
Rick Archer wrote: > Amma is brilliant, but she has a 4th grade education. I doubt > she knows much Sanskrit. > So, Amma wouldn't be knowing anything about the origins of the Vedic religion then, since she can't even read her own scriptures. Go figure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
on 9/8/05 1:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> don't know what portions that would be. >> > Is Amma a Sanskrit reader? Apparently there are upanishads that were > composed as recently as the seventeenth century. Amma is brilliant, but she has a 4th grade education. I doubt she knows much Sanskrit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
markmeredith wrote: > I've heard Amma state that some of what is now considered "in the > Vedas" was actually added later on by powerful men seeking to > protect their status ... > So these men probably wrote the Laws of Manu - if so, maybe Amma should burn the authenticating documents herself instead of blaming the British. > don't know what portions that would be. > Is Amma a Sanskrit reader? Apparently there are upanishads that were composed as recently as the seventeenth century. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
Rick Archer wrote: > Because it appeared to me in light your your comments and Cliff's > that she might have been mistaken on this point. > Great, but I wonder what else she's mistaken about. Maybe it's a good idea to read her statements BEFORE you broadcast them, Rick. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Skimmed through it a long time ago -- racist, mysogynistic, and > > probably a few others ... worse than the old testament, I don't > > know??? > > > So, we are agreed, but IF the British burned the Laws of Manu, > woouldn't that have been a good thing? No, exposing the racist aspects of it would have been a good thing. > > Of course Rick has researched the scientific basis of it all so he > > probably knows more than me > > > Is there a scientific basis for the Laws of Manu? But why would Rick > be promoting these kinds of iedeologies on a public forum? And why > would Amma want to bash the British for trying to burn the > autenticating documents? It was a joke -- as Rick explained, MMY had him correlating scientific research on TM with the Laws of Manu. Note -- I've heard Amma state that some of what is now considered "in the Vedas" was actually added later on by powerful men seeking to protect their status ... don't know what portions that would be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never contested man's inhumanity to man (and woman), but the > very large number you presented still seems high. > > I agree that the monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and > Islam) are all incredibly bloodthirsty and have killed off millions of > humans. You can add up all the millions allegedly killed off in the name of religion over the ages. That number would be a speck, however, compared to the number killed off in the name of atheism, the state religion of communism: 150 million killed just in the space of about 40 years in the 20th century. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/7/05 10:16 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You disapoint me, Vaj, with the transparency of your fabrication. I thought > > > you had more integrity than that. It would have been completely > > > acceptable to me if you'd said you had heard these figures, but really > > > had nothing to back them up. It's clear you're just bullshitting now. > > > > > > As I said, disappointing... > > > > > > Hi Cliff: > > > > Here is one of the articles I had read. > > > > -V. > > > > > > > > Was There an Islamic "Genocide" of Hindus? > > by Dr. Koenraad Elst > > > > > > "The Partition Holocaust": the term is frequently used in Hindu pamphlets > > concerning Islam and the birth of its modern political embodiment in the > > Subcontinent, the state of Pakistan. Is such language warranted, or is it a > > ridicule-inviting exaggeration? > > > > To give an idea of the context of this question, we must note that the term > > "genocide" is used very loosely these days. One of the charges by a Spanish > > judge against Chilean ex-dictator Pinochet, so as to get him extradited from > > Great Britain in autumn 1998, was "genocide". This was his way of making > > Pinochet internationally accountable for having killed a few Spanish > > citizens: alleging a crime serious enough to overrule normal constraints > > based on diplomatic immunity and national sovereignty. Yet, whatever > > Pinochet's crimes, it is simply ridiculous to charge that he ever intended > > to exterminate the Spanish nation. In the current competition for victim > > status, all kinds of interest groups are blatantly overbidding in order to > > get their piece of the entitlement to attention and solidarity. > > > > The Nazi Holocaust killed the majority of European Jewry (an estimated 5.1 > > million according to Raul Hilberg, 5.27 million according to the > > Munich-based Institut für Zeitgeschichte) and about 30% of the Jewish people > > worldwide. How many victim groups can say as much? The Partition pogroms > > killed hardly 0.3% of the Hindus, and though it annihilated the Hindu > > presence in all the provinces of Pakistan except for parts of Sindh and East > > Bengal, it did so mostly by putting the Hindus to flight (at least seven > > million) rather than by killing them (probably half a million). Likewise, > > the ethnic cleansing of a quarter million Hindus from Kashmir in 1990 > > followed the strategy of "killing one to expel a hundred", which is not the > > same thing as killing them all; in practice, about 1,500 were killed. > > Partition featured some local massacres of genocidal type, with the Sikhs as > > the most wanted victims, but in relative as well as absolute figures, this > > does not match the Holocaust. > > > > Among genocides, the Holocaust was a very special case (e.g. the attempt to > > carry it out in secrecy is unique), and it serves no good purpose to blur > > that specificity by extending the term to all genocides in general. The term > > ³Holocaust², though first used in a genocidal sense to describe the Armenian > > genocide of 1915, is now in effect synonymous with the specifically Jewish > > experience at the hands of the Nazis in 1941-45. But does even the more > > general term "genocide" apply to what Hinduism suffered at the hands of > > Islam? > > > > > > Complete genocide > > > > "Genocide" means the intentional attempt to destroy an ethnic community, or > > by extension any community constituted by bonds of kinship, of common > > religion or ideology, of common socio-economic position, or of common race. > > The pure form is the complete extermination of every man, woman and child of > > the group. Examples include the complete extermination of the native > > Tasmanians and many Amerindian nations from Patagonia to Canada by European > > settlers in the 16th-19th century. The most notorious attempt was the Nazi > > "final solution of the Jewish question" in 1941-45. In April-May 1994, Hutu > > militias in Rwanda went about slaughtering the Tutsi minority, killing ca. > > 800,000, in anticipation of the conquest of their country by a Uganda-based > > Tutsi army. Though improvised and executed with primitive
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/8/05 11:41 AM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never contested man's inhumanity to man (and woman), but the > very large number you presented still seems high. Well read the article, I think it becomes clearer why. This occurred over several centuries. One thing that blew me away was that the event the Concert for Bangladesh was responding to was really about Hindu genocide--over 2 million--and that was in recent times. It certainly was never mentioned in that way that I recall. > > I agree that the monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and > Islam) are all incredibly bloodthirsty and have killed off millions of > humans. Well, no doubt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I never contested man's inhumanity to man (and woman), but the very large number you presented still seems high. I agree that the monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) are all incredibly bloodthirsty and have killed off millions of humans. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/7/05 10:16 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You disapoint me, Vaj, with the transparency of your fabrication. I thought > > you had more integrity than that. It would have been completely > > acceptable to me if you'd said you had heard these figures, but really > > had nothing to back them up. It's clear you're just bullshitting now. > > > > As I said, disappointing... > > > Hi Cliff: > > Here is one of the articles I had read. > > -V. > > > > Was There an Islamic "Genocide" of Hindus? > by Dr. Koenraad Elst > > > "The Partition Holocaust": the term is frequently used in Hindu pamphlets > concerning Islam and the birth of its modern political embodiment in the > Subcontinent, the state of Pakistan. Is such language warranted, or is it a > ridicule-inviting exaggeration? > > To give an idea of the context of this question, we must note that the term > "genocide" is used very loosely these days. One of the charges by a Spanish > judge against Chilean ex-dictator Pinochet, so as to get him extradited from > Great Britain in autumn 1998, was "genocide". This was his way of making > Pinochet internationally accountable for having killed a few Spanish > citizens: alleging a crime serious enough to overrule normal constraints > based on diplomatic immunity and national sovereignty. Yet, whatever > Pinochet's crimes, it is simply ridiculous to charge that he ever intended > to exterminate the Spanish nation. In the current competition for victim > status, all kinds of interest groups are blatantly overbidding in order to > get their piece of the entitlement to attention and solidarity. > > The Nazi Holocaust killed the majority of European Jewry (an estimated 5.1 > million according to Raul Hilberg, 5.27 million according to the > Munich-based Institut für Zeitgeschichte) and about 30% of the Jewish people > worldwide. How many victim groups can say as much? The Partition pogroms > killed hardly 0.3% of the Hindus, and though it annihilated the Hindu > presence in all the provinces of Pakistan except for parts of Sindh and East > Bengal, it did so mostly by putting the Hindus to flight (at least seven > million) rather than by killing them (probably half a million). Likewise, > the ethnic cleansing of a quarter million Hindus from Kashmir in 1990 > followed the strategy of "killing one to expel a hundred", which is not the > same thing as killing them all; in practice, about 1,500 were killed. > Partition featured some local massacres of genocidal type, with the Sikhs as > the most wanted victims, but in relative as well as absolute figures, this > does not match the Holocaust. > > Among genocides, the Holocaust was a very special case (e.g. the attempt to > carry it out in secrecy is unique), and it serves no good purpose to blur > that specificity by extending the term to all genocides in general. The term > ³Holocaust², though first used in a genocidal sense to describe the Armenian > genocide of 1915, is now in effect synonymous with the specifically Jewish > experience at the hands of the Nazis in 1941-45. But does even the more > general term "genocide" apply to what Hinduism suffered at the hands of > Islam? > > > Complete genocide > > "Genocide" means the intentional attempt to destroy an ethnic community, or > by extension any community constituted by bonds of kinship, of common > religion or ideology, of common socio-economic position, or of common race. > The pure form is the complete extermination of every man, woman and child of > the group. Examples include the complete extermination of the native > Tasmanians and many Amerindian nations from Patagonia to Canada by European > settlers in the 16th-19th century. The most notorious attempt was the Nazi > "final solution of the Jewish question" in 1941-45. In April-May 1994, Hutu > militias in Rwanda went about slaughtering the Tutsi minority, killing ca. > 800,000, in anticipation of the conquest of their country by a Uganda-based > Tutsi army. Though improvised and executed with primitive weapons, the > Rwandan genocide made more victims per day than the Holocaust. > > Hindus suffered such attempted extermination in East Bengal in 1971, when > the Pakistani Army killed 1 to 3 million people, with Hindus as their most > wanted target. This fact is strictly ignored in most writing about > Hindu-Muslim relations, in spite (or rather because) of its serious > implication that even the lowest estimate of the Hindu death toll in 1971 > makes Hindus by far the most numerous victims of Hindu-Muslim violence in > the post-colonial period. It is significant that no serious count or > relig
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
on 9/8/05 8:12 AM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Rick Archer: >> Maybe I'll forward these comments on to the Amma folks. >> > For what purpose? Don't agree with what Amma said? Because it appeared to me in light your your comments and Cliff's that she might have been mistaken on this point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
on 9/8/05 8:10 AM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Cliff wrote: >> IMO, Willytex should have stopped at correcting you and not gone >> into a typical rant, but that's his choice. He got so excited he >> began making numerous typos (spurrious instead of spurious, and >> underserving instead of undeserving), and then closed with a >> profound 8-year old slam - "You suck!" Most impressive... :-) >> > Thanks for your support and for the grammer lesson, Cliff. But, I > still think Rick sucks as a moderator! Why he'd want to post > uininformed and racist propaganda like that is beyond me. Is he > attempting to pull some poor TMers into his cult? For what purpose, I > wonder? We want to suck out their brains and eat their livers with some fava beans and a nice Chianti. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
on 9/8/05 7:26 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> markmeredith wrote: >>> I don't know anything about Indian history, but have studied european >>> colonization and know the british were thoroughly racist and generally >>> attempted to stamp out the culture of those they conquered as part of >>> a strategy of keeping them divided and weak. >>> >> Speaking of racism, have you read the Laws of Manu, Mr. Meredith? > > Skimmed through it a long time ago -- racist, mysogynistic, and > probably a few others ... worse than the old testament, I don't know??? > > Of course Rick has researched the scientific basis of it all so he > probably knows more than me I have? Maharishi had me correlating the Laws of Manu with the scientific charts back in about 1974, and that was a weird project, that's the extent of my knowledge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/8/05 9:05 AM, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Skimmed through it a long time ago -- racist, mysogynistic, and
>> probably a few others ... worse than the old testament, I don't
>> know???
>>
> So, we are agreed, but IF the British burned the Laws of Manu,
> woouldn't that have been a good thing?
>
>> Of course Rick has researched the scientific basis of it all so he
>> probably knows more than me
>>
> Is there a scientific basis for the Laws of Manu? But why would Rick
> be promoting these kinds of iedeologies on a public forum? And why
> would Amma want to bash the British for trying to burn the
> autenticating documents?
Hi Willy:
Interesting questions.
>From my own perspective I considered it a forgone conclusion that the Laws
of Manu represented something repugnant in terms of the social ideals they
promulgate.
I was therefore surprised, no shocked, when I read Alain Danielou's _While
the Gods Play_. Both he and his guru Swami Karpatri ("the
Shankaracharya-maker", the swami who nominated Sw. Brahmananda Saraswati)
were champions of the caste system. Therefore you might find it interesting
to read what these guys have to say. More and more of Danielou's books are
being translated into English. A recent translation is _India: A
Civilization of Differences : The Ancient Tradition of Universal Tolerance_.
It's about the caste system and argues in it's favor. If you thought of the
caste system as something negative, these works will be a real eye-opener.
Highly recommended.
-V.
PS- Is IQ testing a modern attempt at the caste system?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
Cliff wrote: > IMO, Willytex should have stopped at correcting you and not gone > into a typical rant, but that's his choice. He got so excited he > began making numerous typos (spurrious instead of spurious, and > underserving instead of undeserving), and then closed with a > profound 8-year old slam - "You suck!" Most impressive... :-) > Thanks for your support and for the grammer lesson, Cliff. But, I still think Rick sucks as a moderator! Why he'd want to post uininformed and racist propaganda like that is beyond me. Is he attempting to pull some poor TMers into his cult? For what purpose, I wonder? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
Rick Archer: > Maybe I'll forward these comments on to the Amma folks. > For what purpose? Don't agree with what Amma said? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
> Skimmed through it a long time ago -- racist, mysogynistic, and > probably a few others ... worse than the old testament, I don't > know??? > So, we are agreed, but IF the British burned the Laws of Manu, woouldn't that have been a good thing? > Of course Rick has researched the scientific basis of it all so he > probably knows more than me > Is there a scientific basis for the Laws of Manu? But why would Rick be promoting these kinds of iedeologies on a public forum? And why would Amma want to bash the British for trying to burn the autenticating documents? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/8/05 8:47 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No not at all. There are yogins who even today continue to cognize >> texts in Sanskrit and proto-Sanskrit languages. > > Whatever floats your boat. I guess my issue is with > the phrase "the language of the Gods and Angels." > Seems to me that if the gods and angels *need* a > language, either spoken or written, they're pretty > low-rent gods and angels. Anybody I ever ran into > from that plane communicated via telepathy and > direct transmission -- even with humans, much less > among themselves. Good point, but not everyone has the capacity to communicate at the para level of speech, i.e. "telepathically". Therefore for the benefit of those still needing a method, these texts, in primordial Sanskrit continue to manifest. The phrase "the language of Gods and angels" I used simply because in western terms, that probably the best way I can convey itit reminds me of "Enochian", a western "angelic" language. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/7/05 10:16 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You disapoint me, Vaj, with the transparency of your fabrication. I thought
> you had more integrity than that. It would have been completely
> acceptable to me if you'd said you had heard these figures, but really
> had nothing to back them up. It's clear you're just bullshitting now.
>
> As I said, disappointing...
Hi Cliff:
Here is one of the articles I had read.
-V.
Was There an Islamic "Genocide" of Hindus?
by Dr. Koenraad Elst
"The Partition Holocaust": the term is frequently used in Hindu pamphlets
concerning Islam and the birth of its modern political embodiment in the
Subcontinent, the state of Pakistan. Is such language warranted, or is it a
ridicule-inviting exaggeration?
To give an idea of the context of this question, we must note that the term
"genocide" is used very loosely these days. One of the charges by a Spanish
judge against Chilean ex-dictator Pinochet, so as to get him extradited from
Great Britain in autumn 1998, was "genocide". This was his way of making
Pinochet internationally accountable for having killed a few Spanish
citizens: alleging a crime serious enough to overrule normal constraints
based on diplomatic immunity and national sovereignty. Yet, whatever
Pinochet's crimes, it is simply ridiculous to charge that he ever intended
to exterminate the Spanish nation. In the current competition for victim
status, all kinds of interest groups are blatantly overbidding in order to
get their piece of the entitlement to attention and solidarity.
The Nazi Holocaust killed the majority of European Jewry (an estimated 5.1
million according to Raul Hilberg, 5.27 million according to the
Munich-based Institut für Zeitgeschichte) and about 30% of the Jewish people
worldwide. How many victim groups can say as much? The Partition pogroms
killed hardly 0.3% of the Hindus, and though it annihilated the Hindu
presence in all the provinces of Pakistan except for parts of Sindh and East
Bengal, it did so mostly by putting the Hindus to flight (at least seven
million) rather than by killing them (probably half a million). Likewise,
the ethnic cleansing of a quarter million Hindus from Kashmir in 1990
followed the strategy of "killing one to expel a hundred", which is not the
same thing as killing them all; in practice, about 1,500 were killed.
Partition featured some local massacres of genocidal type, with the Sikhs as
the most wanted victims, but in relative as well as absolute figures, this
does not match the Holocaust.
Among genocides, the Holocaust was a very special case (e.g. the attempt to
carry it out in secrecy is unique), and it serves no good purpose to blur
that specificity by extending the term to all genocides in general. The term
³Holocaust², though first used in a genocidal sense to describe the Armenian
genocide of 1915, is now in effect synonymous with the specifically Jewish
experience at the hands of the Nazis in 1941-45. But does even the more
general term "genocide" apply to what Hinduism suffered at the hands of
Islam?
Complete genocide
"Genocide" means the intentional attempt to destroy an ethnic community, or
by extension any community constituted by bonds of kinship, of common
religion or ideology, of common socio-economic position, or of common race.
The pure form is the complete extermination of every man, woman and child of
the group. Examples include the complete extermination of the native
Tasmanians and many Amerindian nations from Patagonia to Canada by European
settlers in the 16th-19th century. The most notorious attempt was the Nazi
"final solution of the Jewish question" in 1941-45. In April-May 1994, Hutu
militias in Rwanda went about slaughtering the Tutsi minority, killing ca.
800,000, in anticipation of the conquest of their country by a Uganda-based
Tutsi army. Though improvised and executed with primitive weapons, the
Rwandan genocide made more victims per day than the Holocaust.
Hindus suffered such attempted extermination in East Bengal in 1971, when
the Pakistani Army killed 1 to 3 million people, with Hindus as their most
wanted target. This fact is strictly ignored in most writing about
Hindu-Muslim relations, in spite (or rather because) of its serious
implication that even the lowest estimate of the Hindu death toll in 1971
makes Hindus by far the most numerous victims of Hindu-Muslim violence in
the post-colonial period. It is significant that no serious count or
religion-wise breakdown of the death toll has been attempted: the Indian,
Pakistani and Bangladeshi ruling classes all agree that this would feed
Hindu grievances against Muslims.
Nandan Vyas ("Hindu Genocide in East Pakistan", Young India, January 1995)
has argued convincingly that the number of Hindu victims in the 1971
genocide was approximately 2.4 million, or about 80%. In comparing the
population figures for 1961 and 1971, and taking the observed natural growth
rhythm into account, Vyas finds that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/8/05 1:48 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> True. In the Nath tradition, mundanesthose who do not practice > >> meditation or are totally outside the yogic traditionare called > >> ³pashus², more appropriately, beasts. The implication is that > >> these are beings fit to be ³bound². > >> > >> Overall this article disappointed me as it seems to indicate that > >> Amma has not reached the point in her own realization where the > >> origin of Sanskrit is apparenta language of the Gods and Angels. > > > > Vaj, just as a point, aren't you saying here that you're > > disappointed that Amma hasn't reached the point in her > > own realization where she agrees with you? > > No not at all. There are yogins who even today continue to cognize > texts in Sanskrit and proto-Sanskrit languages. Whatever floats your boat. I guess my issue is with the phrase "the language of the Gods and Angels." Seems to me that if the gods and angels *need* a language, either spoken or written, they're pretty low-rent gods and angels. Anybody I ever ran into from that plane communicated via telepathy and direct transmission -- even with humans, much less among themselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/8/05 1:56 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Either way, it ain't good Cliff. Keep in mind, to a devout Muslim, >> a pagan is the epitome of someone worth slaughtering (i.e a >> worshipper involved in figures or images, etc.) I could go on, but >> this is a controversial topic, to say the least. Suffice to say >> many of the Sufi "saints" of India were famous for one thing: >> having slaughtered Hindus. Not a very saintly thing, is it? If this >> is new to you, I suggest you look further, but as I indicated, it >> ain't a pretty picture. Can you imagine living side-by-side >> with a culture or religion that considers people who slaughtered >> your kin "saints" for having killed them? > > Uh...Vaj? Live near any Catholics? > > Remember "Saint" Dominic, founder of the Inquisition? Ha ha. But of course there are obvious differences. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/8/05 1:48 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> True. In the Nath tradition, mundanesthose who do not practice >> meditation or are totally outside the yogic traditionare called >> ³pashus², more appropriately, beasts. The implication is that >> these are beings fit to be ³bound². >> >> Overall this article disappointed me as it seems to indicate that >> Amma has not reached the point in her own realization where the >> origin of Sanskrit is apparenta language of the Gods and Angels. > > Vaj, just as a point, aren't you saying here that you're > disappointed that Amma hasn't reached the point in her > own realization where she agrees with you? No not at all. There are yogins who even today continue to cognize texts in Sanskrit and proto-Sanskrit languages. > Seems to me that you're pretty convinced that *you* know > the origin of Sanskrit. It is, in fact, "apparent." > This strikes me as odd when so many scholars and seers > are willing to admit they don't have a clue. :-) I'm not speaking of an historical origin, but it's basis in consciousness and it's continuing manifestation from the level of consciousness. I'm not talking about Sanskrit as an object in space or time, but as something always available, all of the time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > markmeredith wrote: > > I don't know anything about Indian history, but have studied european > > colonization and know the british were thoroughly racist and generally > > attempted to stamp out the culture of those they conquered as part of > > a strategy of keeping them divided and weak. > > > Speaking of racism, have you read the Laws of Manu, Mr. Meredith? Skimmed through it a long time ago -- racist, mysogynistic, and probably a few others ... worse than the old testament, I don't know??? Of course Rick has researched the scientific basis of it all so he probably knows more than me Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Either way, it ain't good Cliff. Keep in mind, to a devout Muslim, > a pagan is the epitome of someone worth slaughtering (i.e a > worshipper involved in figures or images, etc.) I could go on, but > this is a controversial topic, to say the least. Suffice to say > many of the Sufi "saints" of India were famous for one thing: > having slaughtered Hindus. Not a very saintly thing, is it? If this > is new to you, I suggest you look further, but as I indicated, it > ain't a pretty picture. Can you imagine living side-by-side > with a culture or religion that considers people who slaughtered > your kin "saints" for having killed them? Uh...Vaj? Live near any Catholics? Remember "Saint" Dominic, founder of the Inquisition? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True. In the Nath tradition, mundanesthose who do not practice > meditation or are totally outside the yogic traditionare called > ³pashus², more appropriately, beasts. The implication is that > these are beings fit to be ³bound². > > Overall this article disappointed me as it seems to indicate that > Amma has not reached the point in her own realization where the > origin of Sanskrit is apparenta language of the Gods and Angels. Vaj, just as a point, aren't you saying here that you're disappointed that Amma hasn't reached the point in her own realization where she agrees with you? Seems to me that you're pretty convinced that *you* know the origin of Sanskrit. It is, in fact, "apparent." This strikes me as odd when so many scholars and seers are willing to admit they don't have a clue. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > markmeredith wrote: > > I don't know anything about Indian history, but have studied european > > colonization and know the british were thoroughly racist and generally > > attempted to stamp out the culture of those they conquered as part of > > a strategy of keeping them divided and weak. > > > Speaking of racism, have you read the Laws of Manu, Mr. Meredith? Are you soliciting minors Mr Williams???! Laws of Meru clearly sanction abduction as a legitimate mode of Vedic Marriage. Are you a perv? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
markmeredith wrote: > I don't know anything about Indian history, but have studied european > colonization and know the british were thoroughly racist and generally > attempted to stamp out the culture of those they conquered as part of > a strategy of keeping them divided and weak. > Speaking of racism, have you read the Laws of Manu, Mr. Meredith? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
You disapoint me, Vaj, with the transparency of your fabrication. I thought you had more integrity than that. It would have been completely acceptable to me if you'd said you had heard these figures, but really had nothing to back them up. It's clear you're just bullshitting now. As I said, disappointing... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/7/05 8:21 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm sympathetic, Vaj, but so far I see nothing but hearsay, and it > > contradicts > > anything I've ever read. Do you have anything other than your own > > feelings on the subject? Any historical references? > > > > Otherwise, the figure is so large and so unsupported that I have to > > dismiss it as something you have personaly concocted in a vacuum of > > real information. > > Perhaps when I have some time, I can do your research for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/7/05 8:21 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm sympathetic, Vaj, but so far I see nothing but hearsay, and it contradicts > > anything I've ever read. Do you have anything other than your own > > feelings on the subject? Any historical references? > > > > Otherwise, the figure is so large and so unsupported that I have to > > dismiss it as something you have personaly concocted in a vacuum of > > real information. > > Perhaps when I have some time, I can do your research for you. Right, and when Geo. W. & Co. have some extra time, they can take a look at what went wrong with Katrina. Better to get it right the first time dude. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
> On 9/7/05 4:56 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are concerned). > > They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature > > they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was > > to study the "inferior culture", but others were very impressed with > > Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). I don't know anything about Indian history, but have studied european colonization and know the british were thoroughly racist and generally attempted to stamp out the culture of those they conquered as part of a strategy of keeping them divided and weak. I've studied african drumming and the traditional rhythms have been preserved in parts of west africa colonized by the french who were more tolerant of the indigenous culture than the british. I'm sure there were some nice intellectuals back in england like cs lewis who liked what was being sent back but who was on the ground in india doing the preserving? any non-english references?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/7/05 8:21 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sympathetic, Vaj, but so far I see nothing but hearsay, and it contradicts > anything I've ever read. Do you have anything other than your own > feelings on the subject? Any historical references? > > Otherwise, the figure is so large and so unsupported that I have to > dismiss it as something you have personaly concocted in a vacuum of > real information. Perhaps when I have some time, I can do your research for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I'm sympathetic, Vaj, but so far I see nothing but hearsay, and it contradicts anything I've ever read. Do you have anything other than your own feelings on the subject? Any historical references? Otherwise, the figure is so large and so unsupported that I have to dismiss it as something you have personaly concocted in a vacuum of real information. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/7/05 7:38 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I was going to talk about the Muslims, but I didn't know if they were > > responsible for burning literature. I do know that they were responsible > > for > > defacing every image of every god they found in temples - they would chip > > off toes or hands or breasts or heads as to a Muslim, any image is profane. > > Yeah, they destroyed many of the tantras. Of the 84 tantras, only a few > survive. > > > > > But where do you come up with 75+ million dead? That's an awfully large > > number to just throw out with no reference and no backup. In all the > > reading > > I've done from the first Turk invaders of the 1100s up to the Mughal Empire, > > which fell in the mid-1800's to the British, there's never been any mention > > of genocide. On the contrary, there are frequent mentions of Mugahl > > emperors being great patrons of Hindu culture and thought. > > It is a ballpark figure, because it would be impossible to know for certain. > I've heard figures as high as 80 million and as low as 60--so I *assume* a > more median figure. Therefore my assumption. > > Either way, it ain't good Cliff. Keep in mind, to a devout Muslim, a pagan > is the epitome of someone worth slaughtering (i.e a worshipper involved in > figures or images, etc.) I could go on, but this is a controversial topic, > to say the least. Suffice to say many of the Sufi "saints" of India were > famous for one thing: having slaughtered Hindus. Not a very saintly thing, > is it? If this is new to you, I suggest you look further, but as I > indicated, it ain't a pretty picture. Can you imagine living side-by-side > with a culture or religion that considers people who slaughtered your kin > "saints" for having killed them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
On 9/7/05 7:38 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was going to talk about the Muslims, but I didn't know if they were > responsible for burning literature. I do know that they were responsible for > defacing every image of every god they found in temples - they would chip > off toes or hands or breasts or heads as to a Muslim, any image is profane. Yeah, they destroyed many of the tantras. Of the 84 tantras, only a few survive. > > But where do you come up with 75+ million dead? That's an awfully large > number to just throw out with no reference and no backup. In all the reading > I've done from the first Turk invaders of the 1100s up to the Mughal Empire, > which fell in the mid-1800's to the British, there's never been any mention > of genocide. On the contrary, there are frequent mentions of Mugahl > emperors being great patrons of Hindu culture and thought. It is a ballpark figure, because it would be impossible to know for certain. I've heard figures as high as 80 million and as low as 60--so I *assume* a more median figure. Therefore my assumption. Either way, it ain't good Cliff. Keep in mind, to a devout Muslim, a pagan is the epitome of someone worth slaughtering (i.e a worshipper involved in figures or images, etc.) I could go on, but this is a controversial topic, to say the least. Suffice to say many of the Sufi "saints" of India were famous for one thing: having slaughtered Hindus. Not a very saintly thing, is it? If this is new to you, I suggest you look further, but as I indicated, it ain't a pretty picture. Can you imagine living side-by-side with a culture or religion that considers people who slaughtered your kin "saints" for having killed them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I was going to talk about the Muslims, but I didn't know if they were responsible for burning literature. I do know that they were responsible for defacing every image of every god they found in temples - they would chip off toes or hands or breasts or heads as to a Muslim, any image is profane. But where do you come up with 75+ million dead? That's an awfully large number to just throw out with no reference and no backup. In all the reading I've done from the first Turk invaders of the 1100s up to the Mughal Empire, which fell in the mid-1800's to the British, there's never been any mention of genocide. On the contrary, there are frequent mentions of Mugahl emperors being great patrons of Hindu culture and thought. I did note your (perhaps), but that's sort of like me saying, "Vaj is (perhaps) responsible for the slaughter of thousands of Fairfield resident pets" completely out of the blue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's really the Muslims and the Sufis who should be disparaged (if anyone) > for having destroyed entire lines. Indeed they are (perhaps) responsible for > the largest genocide ever known: 75+ million Indians slaughtered > > > On 9/7/05 4:56 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are > > concerned). > > They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature > > they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was > > to study the "inferior culture", but others were very impressed with > > Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
It's really the Muslims and the Sufis who should be disparaged (if anyone) for having destroyed entire lines. Indeed they are (perhaps) responsible for the largest genocide ever known: 75+ million Indians slaughtered On 9/7/05 4:56 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are concerned). > They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature > they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was > to study the "inferior culture", but others were very impressed with > Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
on 9/7/05 4:16 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Rick, > > Is there any reason to believe that someone who brings such gifts to > the world as life transforming hugs, oceanic compassion, active > charity, etc. would necessarily have an inside track on what > the "truth" is about Vedic culture? Is it not possible that these > are just her opinions? And that her opinions are strongly influenced > by her own cultural upbringing? Yup. I respect her opinions more than most people's, but I realize that they may only be that. In this case, unless she knows something about this that WillyTex and Cliff don't, they're probably right. I emailed their comments to her ashram. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
Rick, Is there any reason to believe that someone who brings such gifts to the world as life transforming hugs, oceanic compassion, active charity, etc. would necessarily have an inside track on what the "truth" is about Vedic culture? Is it not possible that these are just her opinions? And that her opinions are strongly influenced by her own cultural upbringing? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/7/05 4:04 PM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Maybe I'll forward these comments on to the Amma folks. > > I did: > > Regarding Amma¹s comments on > http://www.amritapuri.org/amma/2005/508vedic.php > > Several people have pointed out the following to me: > > The British are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature > they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was to study > the "inferior culture", but others were very impressed with Hinduism as a > way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). > > There's no evidence that the British burned all the pramana granthas and > 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't for the British many thousands of > Indian sacred texts would have been lost to eternity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
on 9/7/05 4:04 PM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Maybe I'll forward these comments on to the Amma folks. I did: Regarding Amma¹s comments on http://www.amritapuri.org/amma/2005/508vedic.php Several people have pointed out the following to me: The British are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was to study the "inferior culture", but others were very impressed with Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). There's no evidence that the British burned all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been lost to eternity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
Maybe I'll forward these comments on to the Amma folks. on 9/7/05 3:56 PM, Cliff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are concerned). > They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature > they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was > to study the "inferior culture", but others were very impressed with > Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). > > IMO, Willytex should have stopped at correcting you and not gone into > a typical rant, but that's his choice. He got so excited he began making > numerous typos (spurrious instead of spurious, and underserving instead > of undeserving), and then closed with a profound 8-year old slam - > "You suck!" Most impressive... :-) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Rick Archer wrote: When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana granthas [validating texts] to ashes. >>> You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting >>> to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned >>> all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't >>> for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been >>> lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest >>> sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is >>> underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. >> >> And obviously, as a knower of Yogis > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are concerned). They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was to study the "inferior culture", but others were very impressed with Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). IMO, Willytex should have stopped at correcting you and not gone into a typical rant, but that's his choice. He got so excited he began making numerous typos (spurrious instead of spurious, and underserving instead of undeserving), and then closed with a profound 8-year old slam - "You suck!" Most impressive... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rick Archer wrote: > > > When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana > > > granthas [validating texts] to ashes. > > > > > You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting > > to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned > > all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't > > for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been > > lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest > > sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is > > underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. > > And obviously, as a knower of Yogis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick Archer wrote: > > When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana > > granthas [validating texts] to ashes. > > > You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting > to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned > all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't > for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been > lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest > sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is > underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. And obviously, as a knower of Yogis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for posting this Rick, it is beautiful. comments interspersed. > The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India > 16 August 2005 -- Amritapuri >"It is impossible to say exactly when Vedic culture began," Amma told > the devotees and disciples gathered for Tuesday's meditation and > question-and-answer session. "The Vedas are anadi [without beginning]; they > were there even before the beginning of the human race. The Vedas are said > to be isvara nisvasam--the exhalation of God. We don't even know who > discovered them. To say exactly when the Vedas came into existence is > difficult." Bhagavatam and Mahabharata address this for those willing to dive in. > > > Amma said that there is a lot of miseducation in Vedic studies due to the > way that the Vedas are being taught today. Traditionally, the Vedas and > their teachings were taught in a gurukula system, orally passed down > through the guru-disciple parampara [lineage]. Now, that tradition is all > but lost, and the vast majority of Vedic scholars have gained their > knowledge through textbooks in translation, motivated by academic curiosity > rather than a thirst for the Truth. > Such a gurukula system is thriving at Avadhuta Dattapeetham in Mysore, India under the guidance of that One Avatara of Lord Dattatreya who gave Veda back to Lord Brahma after the creator had gotten so caught up in creation He forgot them. Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji > > Perhaps the biggest tragedy is that Indians today are accepting these > fallacies as fact, Amma said. Even though Mahatmas are correcting these > misconceptions and pointing out the real meaning of the scriptural > statements, most people are not able to accept what the Mahatmas are saying > as the real truth. Instead, they cling to the belief that whatever they > were taught in schoolfrom textbooks based on the writings of Müller and > other Western scholarsmust be correct. There are numerous stories documented about these sort of scholars who came to test Sri Swamiji after hearing the corrections he expounded. Amazing what happens. > > > The story is symbolic of how certain forces have been able to trick the > majority of people into forfeiting the Vedic culture that is their > birthright. However, even so, the truly inquisitive seekers of knowledge > have pushed forward anyway, found out the sweetness of India's spiritual > tradition for themselves and embraced it. Kali Yuga thrives > > > But Amma said some of the blame also falls on Indian people themselves; > that there were some Indian pundits who sold the knowledge contained in the > Vedas to foreigners just to make money, often helping them to misinterpret > or pretending to know the meanings when they really did not. This was the > beginning of the proliferation of misinformation. "In this way, too many > of India's precious things were lost," Amma said. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
on 9/7/05 11:04 AM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Rick Archer wrote: >> When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana >> granthas [validating texts] to ashes. >> > You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting > to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned > all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't > for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been > lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest > sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is > underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. Thanks for the compliment. I know nothing about this stuff. I just forwarded something that looked interesting that Blaine Watson had forwarded to me. I defer to your great wisdom as a scholar of Indian and Vedic history. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
Rick Archer wrote: > When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana > granthas [validating texts] to ashes. > You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
