Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Thanks for all the advice/encouragement - electronics are just all about patience and perservering (sp?) - I choose this as another spiritual lesson - god bless it :) I have a teacher that recommended a Brother as well. --- On Fri, 7/22/11, whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 4:59 PM When you need to replace that HP printer, you may want to go with the Brother brand. I had three HP printers, each one worse that the last. After being stuck with over $100 in ink cartridges after each failure, I bought a Brother all-in-one wireless printer/scanner/fax/copier and found a great deal on-line for ink at $1.50 per cartridge. Fast, cheap and flawless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Thank you.  I will read this.  I have just purchased a MacBook Pro after years on a PC and I have an HP printer (old) and now cannot print in colorI downloaded the driver, etc. and it doesn't work, of course. Of course, my 14 year old took down the PC with viruses, which is why I purchased a Mac. Have enrolled in school and am taking my first online class along with 2 others which is sooo much work and of course, my unemployment is tied to passing and I am sooo behind.  And, I have just realized I have Word 2010 on the computer - yet another program to figure out - doubling and tripling the amount of time I have to spend on design/writing assignments.  Nothing frustrates one more than one's electronics not working when one has deadlines.  Argghhh - compatibilityhuh? --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 8:39 PM  The following analysis is for those who are interested in the current financial situation of the United States government. [from factcheck.org] *Does Washington have a spending problem or an income problem? We offer some key facts.* http://factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/ This site offers interesting information on politicians and political organisations (both parties) that twist facts to suit their message. This current page discusses where the government's income comes from, and where it goes within some historical perspective. They also provide the references for their sources of information.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Sure. If you go with Brother, look for a cheap alternative to the LC-61 print cartridges, which are just as expensive as any other mfg's ink. Despite their innovative products, I have stayed away from Apple since I was a tech support engr. for modems and Apple would not supply the pinouts for their interfaces so we could integrate our products with theirs. All the best to you during these challenging times. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Thanks for all the advice/encouragement - electronics are just all about patience and perservering (sp?) - I choose this as another spiritual lesson - god bless it :) Â I have a teacher that recommended a Brother as well. Â Â --- On Fri, 7/22/11, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 4:59 PM Â When you need to replace that HP printer, you may want to go with the Brother brand. I had three HP printers, each one worse that the last. After being stuck with over $100 in ink cartridges after each failure, I bought a Brother all-in-one wireless printer/scanner/fax/copier and found a great deal on-line for ink at $1.50 per cartridge. Fast, cheap and flawless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Thank you. ÃÂ I will read this. ÃÂ I have just purchased a MacBook Pro after years on a PC and I have an HP printer (old) and now cannot print in colorI downloaded the driver, etc. and it doesn't work, of course. Of course, my 14 year old took down the PC with viruses, which is why I purchased a Mac.ÃÂ Have enrolled in school and am taking my first online class along with 2 others which is sooo much work and of course, my unemployment is tied to passing and I am sooo behind. ÃÂ And, I have just realized I have Word 2010 on the computer - yet another program to figure out - doubling and tripling the amount of time I have to spend on design/writing assignments. ÃÂ Nothing frustrates one more than one's electronics not working when one has deadlines. ÃÂ Argghhh - compatibilityhuh? --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 8:39 PM ÃÂ The following analysis is for those who are interested in the current financial situation of the United States government. [from factcheck.org] *Does Washington have a spending problem or an income problem? We offer some key facts.* http://factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/ This site offers interesting information on politicians and political organisations (both parties) that twist facts to suit their message. This current page discusses where the government's income comes from, and where it goes within some historical perspective. They also provide the references for their sources of information.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Excellent find, Xeno. What a pleasure to read all the relevant info in one coherent, unbiased presentation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: The following analysis is for those who are interested in the current financial situation of the United States government. [from factcheck.org] *Does Washington have a spending problem or an income problem? We offer some key facts.* http://factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/ This site offers interesting information on politicians and political organisations (both parties) that twist facts to suit their message. This current page discusses where the government's income comes from, and where it goes within some historical perspective. They also provide the references for their sources of information.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Thank you. I will read this. I have just purchased a MacBook Pro after years on a PC and I have an HP printer (old) and now cannot print in colorI downloaded the driver, etc. and it doesn't work, of course. Of course, my 14 year old took down the PC with viruses, which is why I purchased a Mac. Have enrolled in school and am taking my first online class along with 2 others which is sooo much work and of course, my unemployment is tied to passing and I am sooo behind. And, I have just realized I have Word 2010 on the computer - yet another program to figure out - doubling and tripling the amount of time I have to spend on design/writing assignments. Nothing frustrates one more than one's electronics not working when one has deadlines. Argghhh - compatibilityhuh? --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 8:39 PM The following analysis is for those who are interested in the current financial situation of the United States government. [from factcheck.org] *Does Washington have a spending problem or an income problem? We offer some key facts.* http://factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/ This site offers interesting information on politicians and political organisations (both parties) that twist facts to suit their message. This current page discusses where the government's income comes from, and where it goes within some historical perspective. They also provide the references for their sources of information.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
When you need to replace that HP printer, you may want to go with the Brother brand. I had three HP printers, each one worse that the last. After being stuck with over $100 in ink cartridges after each failure, I bought a Brother all-in-one wireless printer/scanner/fax/copier and found a great deal on-line for ink at $1.50 per cartridge. Fast, cheap and flawless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Thank you.  I will read this.  I have just purchased a MacBook Pro after years on a PC and I have an HP printer (old) and now cannot print in colorI downloaded the driver, etc. and it doesn't work, of course. Of course, my 14 year old took down the PC with viruses, which is why I purchased a Mac. Have enrolled in school and am taking my first online class along with 2 others which is sooo much work and of course, my unemployment is tied to passing and I am sooo behind.  And, I have just realized I have Word 2010 on the computer - yet another program to figure out - doubling and tripling the amount of time I have to spend on design/writing assignments.  Nothing frustrates one more than one's electronics not working when one has deadlines.  Argghhh - compatibilityhuh? --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 8:39 PM  The following analysis is for those who are interested in the current financial situation of the United States government. [from factcheck.org] *Does Washington have a spending problem or an income problem? We offer some key facts.* http://factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/ This site offers interesting information on politicians and political organisations (both parties) that twist facts to suit their message. This current page discusses where the government's income comes from, and where it goes within some historical perspective. They also provide the references for their sources of information.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: When you need to replace that HP printer, you may want to go with the Brother brand. I had three HP printers, each one worse that the last. I've owned exactly two printers in the 18 years that I've been a computer user, both HP. The first was their portable inkjet, and since I do very little printing, the printer would sit there getting all gunked up, and it would never work right when I'd go to use it. I swore that I would never again own a printer that uses liquid ink. In 1998, I bought a LaserJet 6L, and it has been working flawlessly ever since. With the demise of parallel printer ports, I had to get a USB adapter so I could use it with my current machine. What's great is that Windows supports it natively, no drivers needed, because HP is notorious for making bloatware printer drivers. Petra has two printers, a small Samsung monochrome laser printer that kicks ass, and a color, all-in-one, fax/scanner/copier/printer from HP that a friend gave her, and IMO, it is a whoreanus piece of crap.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
HP just did a big overhaul of the software for the al-in-one that i have, and now it works flawlessly with my MacBook Pro. Before, it was a major production, especially for the scanning. Before the updates they had a whole bunch of crappy programs that seemed to do little except cause my computer to crash. Now it's great. Before Denise gives up, I would recommend uninstalling all the HP software, (not just the driver--everything, since some of what is on there could be what is causing the problems) going to the site and downloading whatever there is for her system. It may make a big difference~~it did for us. On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:59 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: When you need to replace that HP printer, you may want to go with the Brother brand. I had three HP printers, each one worse that the last. After being stuck with over $100 in ink cartridges after each failure, I bought a Brother all-in-one wireless printer/scanner/fax/copier and found a great deal on-line for ink at $1.50 per cartridge. Fast, cheap and flawless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Thank you. Â I will read this. Â I have just purchased a MacBook Pro after years on a PC and I have an HP printer (old) and now cannot print in colorI downloaded the driver, etc. and it doesn't work, of course. Of course, my 14 year old took down the PC with viruses, which is why I purchased a Mac.Â
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
On 07/22/2011 05:37 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7whynotnow7@... wrote: When you need to replace that HP printer, you may want to go with the Brother brand. I had three HP printers, each one worse that the last. I've owned exactly two printers in the 18 years that I've been a computer user, both HP. The first was their portable inkjet, and since I do very little printing, the printer would sit there getting all gunked up, and it would never work right when I'd go to use it. I swore that I would never again own a printer that uses liquid ink. In 1998, I bought a LaserJet 6L, and it has been working flawlessly ever since. With the demise of parallel printer ports, I had to get a USB adapter so I could use it with my current machine. What's great is that Windows supports it natively, no drivers needed, because HP is notorious for making bloatware printer drivers. Petra has two printers, a small Samsung monochrome laser printer that kicks ass, and a color, all-in-one, fax/scanner/copier/printer from HP that a friend gave her, and IMO, it is a whoreanus piece of crap. In 1989 I bought an NEC laser printer probably for $1800. Never ran out of toner while I used it. I needed faster output for printing source code. My current printer is an HP Photosmart Plus wifi printer. I went with HP because they've always support Linux, probably because they sold Linux servers. Thing runs like a Model T. And yup, eats ink or times out when they want you to buy ink again. It didn't like a third party black cartridge and refuses to tell me the level. A year later wifi printers were half the price. And I don't do much printing anymore either but it is annoying when I go to do one of my custom birthday cards for a relative and one of the cartridges is dry. With the wifi I don't need a host computer and it will even print from my Android devices. The ink thing reminds me of my refrigerator. I don't drink the water from it all that often nor use ice that much but 6 months after I put in a filter the light says time to change it. I don't until I taste the chlorine. There is no sensor to tell how well it is filtering just a timer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Though I won't buy an HP printer again, my Compaq Presario CQ62 (HP) laptop has been awesome - big screen, fast, large HD, lightweight, durable and only 300 bucks out the door. My only complaint was the DVD player app. I don't recall the name of the software but I literally had to restore my operating system if I was playing a DVD and unplugged the machine for battery use. Got rid of it and just use the windows media player now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: When you need to replace that HP printer, you may want to go with the Brother brand. I had three HP printers, each one worse that the last. I've owned exactly two printers in the 18 years that I've been a computer user, both HP. The first was their portable inkjet, and since I do very little printing, the printer would sit there getting all gunked up, and it would never work right when I'd go to use it. I swore that I would never again own a printer that uses liquid ink. In 1998, I bought a LaserJet 6L, and it has been working flawlessly ever since. With the demise of parallel printer ports, I had to get a USB adapter so I could use it with my current machine. What's great is that Windows supports it natively, no drivers needed, because HP is notorious for making bloatware printer drivers. Petra has two printers, a small Samsung monochrome laser printer that kicks ass, and a color, all-in-one, fax/scanner/copier/printer from HP that a friend gave her, and IMO, it is a whoreanus piece of crap.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
I've read that HP's ink was the only thing keeping the company profitable. They obviously sell their printers as loss leaders to get you hooked on the ink. I never found, despite looking, 3rd party ink cartridges that worked well in their printers. HP has killed the goose that laid the golden egg with their shoddy printers. The legacy of Carly whats-her-name (I shudder to think what she would have done to California as its Senator...). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 07/22/2011 05:37 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7whynotnow7@ wrote: When you need to replace that HP printer, you may want to go with the Brother brand. I had three HP printers, each one worse that the last. I've owned exactly two printers in the 18 years that I've been a computer user, both HP. The first was their portable inkjet, and since I do very little printing, the printer would sit there getting all gunked up, and it would never work right when I'd go to use it. I swore that I would never again own a printer that uses liquid ink. In 1998, I bought a LaserJet 6L, and it has been working flawlessly ever since. With the demise of parallel printer ports, I had to get a USB adapter so I could use it with my current machine. What's great is that Windows supports it natively, no drivers needed, because HP is notorious for making bloatware printer drivers. Petra has two printers, a small Samsung monochrome laser printer that kicks ass, and a color, all-in-one, fax/scanner/copier/printer from HP that a friend gave her, and IMO, it is a whoreanus piece of crap. In 1989 I bought an NEC laser printer probably for $1800. Never ran out of toner while I used it. I needed faster output for printing source code. My current printer is an HP Photosmart Plus wifi printer. I went with HP because they've always support Linux, probably because they sold Linux servers. Thing runs like a Model T. And yup, eats ink or times out when they want you to buy ink again. It didn't like a third party black cartridge and refuses to tell me the level. A year later wifi printers were half the price. And I don't do much printing anymore either but it is annoying when I go to do one of my custom birthday cards for a relative and one of the cartridges is dry. With the wifi I don't need a host computer and it will even print from my Android devices. The ink thing reminds me of my refrigerator. I don't drink the water from it all that often nor use ice that much but 6 months after I put in a filter the light says time to change it. I don't until I taste the chlorine. There is no sensor to tell how well it is filtering just a timer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I must be missing something - this budget breakdown is likely not put out by right wing fringe groups if it is actually posted on whitehouse.gov. It also doesn't reflect what will or will not be approved as it is just a beginning cut that we are watching get hashed out. It does provide a useful graphic to help us understand where our monies are going and I'm glad it is posted. Yes, the budget proportions reflect the reality that most of our current government expenditure is SS, Medicare and Medicaid and Defense...this is a known fact and not our president's fault - if the intent is to lay blame. It is a good reminder that reform is needed, if we, the citizens, don't like the proportions shown. SS is and always has been pay as you go and so, insomuch as it is not paid for by normal tax dollars, it shouldn't be included in the normal budget figures. It is irrelevant to the discussion. IMHO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Hmwonder why it is always in the discussion - is the imbalance that large and is that what was shown in the graphic? Lots of flack crossing the internet now on the Gang of Six and the budget cuts to SSI that are in that deal --- On Thu, 7/21/11, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 10:00 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I must be missing something - this budget breakdown is likely not put out by right wing fringe groups if it is actually posted on whitehouse.gov. It also doesn't reflect what will or will not be approved as it is just a beginning cut that we are watching get hashed out. It does provide a useful graphic to help us understand where our monies are going and I'm glad it is posted. Yes, the budget proportions reflect the reality that most of our current government expenditure is SS, Medicare and Medicaid and Defense...this is a known fact and not our president's fault - if the intent is to lay blame. It is a good reminder that reform is needed, if we, the citizens, don't like the proportions shown. SS is and always has been pay as you go and so, insomuch as it is not paid for by normal tax dollars, it shouldn't be included in the normal budget figures. It is irrelevant to the discussion. IMHO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
On 07/21/2011 10:00 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evansdmevans365@... wrote: I must be missing something - this budget breakdown is likely not put out by right wing fringe groups if it is actually posted on whitehouse.gov. It also doesn't reflect what will or will not be approved as it is just a beginning cut that we are watching get hashed out. It does provide a useful graphic to help us understand where our monies are going and I'm glad it is posted. Yes, the budget proportions reflect the reality that most of our current government expenditure is SS, Medicare and Medicaid and Defense...this is a known fact and not our president's fault - if the intent is to lay blame. It is a good reminder that reform is needed, if we, the citizens, don't like the proportions shown. SS is and always has been pay as you go and so, insomuch as it is not paid for by normal tax dollars, it shouldn't be included in the normal budget figures. It is irrelevant to the discussion. IMHO. Senator Bernie Sanders says SS is funded until 2043 and there is no crisis. The criminal Republicans are manufacturing it so Wall Street can gamble with retirees money. This is a big crime going on right before our eyes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
If that Gang of Six goes through Mark Landau won't be the only one here in a fix. In fact he already has plenty of company whether he knows it or not. I predict that American will be burned to the ground if it passes. Invest in torches, pitchforks, rope, tar and feathers. On 07/21/2011 11:22 AM, Denise Evans wrote: Hmwonder why it is always in the discussion - is the imbalance that large and is that what was shown in the graphic? Lots of flack crossing the internet now on the Gang of Six and the budget cuts to SSI that are in that deal --- On Thu, 7/21/11, sparaiglengli...@cox.net wrote: From: sparaiglengli...@cox.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 10:00 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evansdmevans365@... wrote: I must be missing something - this budget breakdown is likely not put out by right wing fringe groups if it is actually posted on whitehouse.gov. It also doesn't reflect what will or will not be approved as it is just a beginning cut that we are watching get hashed out. It does provide a useful graphic to help us understand where our monies are going and I'm glad it is posted. Yes, the budget proportions reflect the reality that most of our current government expenditure is SS, Medicare and Medicaid and Defense...this is a known fact and not our president's fault - if the intent is to lay blame. It is a good reminder that reform is needed, if we, the citizens, don't like the proportions shown. SS is and always has been pay as you go and so, insomuch as it is not paid for by normal tax dollars, it shouldn't be included in the normal budget figures. It is irrelevant to the discussion. IMHO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Bhairitu: I predict that American will be burned to the ground if it passes... The president is praising their plan! Something tells me you don't know what you are talking about. You don't even make any sense! Invest in torches, pitchforks, rope, tar and feathers. All your economic and political solutions seem to favor violence. So, you're opposed to reducing the federal deficit; opposed to capping domestic spending; opposed to rearranging some entitlement programs; and opposed to stabilizing the nation's publicly held debt. And, you're opposed to a budget compromise? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
SS is and always has been pay as you go and so, insomuch as it is not paid for by normal tax dollars, it shouldn't be included in the normal budget figures. It is irrelevant to the discussion. Bhairitu: Senator Bernie Sanders says SS is funded until 2043 and there is no crisis... For young, single workers all Social Security promises (a promise it can't even afford to keep) is about a 1.5 percent real rate of return. What it can afford to pay is more like half a percent, which is more like passbook interest than a real investment return. Polls consistently show that strong majorities of younger workers don't expect to ever collect any Social Security benefits... http://tinyurl.com/3vlv85m
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
The following analysis is for those who are interested in the current financial situation of the United States government. [from factcheck.org] *Does Washington have a spending problem or an income problem? We offer some key facts.* http://factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/ This site offers interesting information on politicians and political organisations (both parties) that twist facts to suit their message. This current page discusses where the government's income comes from, and where it goes within some historical perspective. They also provide the references for their sources of information.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Yeah, what's up with this liberal fascination of elite, so now even the shift and Light of Consciousness cannot really start and has to wait until the elite is taken care of first, can't even see this funny contradiction :-). Funny the conservatives also talk about liberal elite. Why do they need to recognize emptiness or arrogance or why does anyone else need to recognize it? What is this arrogance, does it even exist - I'm sure if you ask and talk to the so-called rich you will come back feeling sorry for them :-). In fact I say emptiness or arrogance always exists in oneself and is just an illusion outside of you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: no sweat. They will recognize their emptiness soon enough. In the meantime, make a decent life for yourself Robert. No need to put your attention on the mirage of the rich. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: More and more will the 'Light of Consciousness' shine on the arrogance of the corporate elites, so that they pay their fair share...there is a shift coming...soon, stand by..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest economic recovery in the post-World War II era? Denise Evans: Because it isn't the American people don't want higher taxesthe question is do the american people want a proportionately fair tax system on the money made from the corporations and wealth aristocrats (that is not coming back to us via the trickle down theory or will it ever) on the backs of us working class. This is another Republican myth that they are spreading to instill fear. You sound really scared. So, how much would reforming the corporate tax code bring down the federal deficit of $13 trillion? This idea is not in Obama's recent federal budget. Why not? http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget
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Probably because we have never had a situation where people could accumulate absurd amounts of wealth. And many of these people like Murdoch were influencing society in negative ways. Try to run a competitive business against these crooks and you'll have good reason to hate the rich. Run into one who thinks they are superior to you and you'll have reason to hate them. They are monetarily obese. I'm fine with people who might have a wealth of a few million dollars. But billions? That to me mean they are mentally ill. Let's have a world for the people and not just the few overprivileged! On 07/20/2011 12:55 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Yeah, what's up with this liberal fascination of elite, so now even the shift and Light of Consciousness cannot really start and has to wait until the elite is taken care of first, can't even see this funny contradiction :-). Funny the conservatives also talk about liberal elite. Why do they need to recognize emptiness or arrogance or why does anyone else need to recognize it? What is this arrogance, does it even exist - I'm sure if you ask and talk to the so-called rich you will come back feeling sorry for them :-). In fact I say emptiness or arrogance always exists in oneself and is just an illusion outside of you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7whynotnow7@... wrote: no sweat. They will recognize their emptiness soon enough. In the meantime, make a decent life for yourself Robert. No need to put your attention on the mirage of the rich. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: More and more will the 'Light of Consciousness' shine on the arrogance of the corporate elites, so that they pay their fair share...there is a shift coming...soon, stand by..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
I've seen this and always thought it spoke volumes.illusion vs reality...in politics - Democratic or Republican - two sides of the same coin. Having said that, in concept and theory I fall on the Democratic side believing that they represent the lesser evil...but in the end, all politicians are corrupted by the money..it is the corporations that are pushing the agenda and it does not include the concept of public good. I think Obama is pushing the equity issue out to the public while buckling to the reality of trying to negotiate a budget in an environment of political extremism. Is the larger good a compromise or a fight to the death? He is compromising - there will be another fight...Obama has taken the corporate powers/financial industry on in many ways and irritated them to no end by raising the issues again and again. The equity issue is easy for us citizens to understand so it gets vetted. Having worked years in the corporate environment and coming from a family that confuses money with love.I have strong opinions on the importance of messaging the concept of sharing and accountability. Concentrated wealth breeds fear and bad behavior and lack of accountability in almost all caseswe, as shareholders, need to rethink the entire model of how we define value and profit. Again, they made their profits on our backs and we allowed them to concentrate wealth and power and the evils it has brought. The movie The Last Mountain brings this directly into perspective. No, asking corporate america and the billionaires to pay their fair share won't solve our budget woes, but it will send a message that we are all accountable and is the only thing they care about and the only place to hit them - in their pocketbook. Concentrating wealth privately at the expense of the masses is not the answer! Corporate america is fighting back, in part, by refusing to hire, etc. We bailed them out and we're being paid back for our generosity now - what is not clear about this message? When a system is all about the money period, there is no conscience at workwhich is why part of me wishes we allowed the institutions to fail and chaos to descendperhaps a more conscious and connected new world order would have emerged from the ashes to benefit the generations to come. Corporations (as a stereotypical category) are all about greater and greater monetary profits period - the system is flawed completely - we have sold our soul to a short-sighted and unsustainable model. The trickle down theory is a huge myth and has been tested time and time again. The only way to change behavior at this point is to force it - and fair and proportional taxation by the government for and by the people is one tiny way we can send a message. If we give up on the concept of government and gut the powers we gave to our government to oblivion, we will pay with the loss of our society. Just a repetition of history...many civilizations have gone down before usthe future generations will have to start again. Mother nature will ultimately take care of herself - that seems to be evidently clear these days. --- On Tue, 7/19/11, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 7:27 PM Our country has moved so far to the right that there's hardly any difference between a Republican who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare and a Democrat who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare but raise taxes slightly. Ronald Reagan raised taxes and IMO was more of a Democrat than Obama. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-budget-deals-of-reagan-bush-clinton-and-obama-in-one-chart/2011/07/06/gIQA98w11H_blog.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Because it isn't the American people don't want higher taxesthe question is do the american people want a proportionately fair tax system on the money made from the corporations and wealth aristocrats (that is not coming back to us via the trickle down theory or will it ever) on the backs of us working class. Â This is another Republican myth that they are spreading to instill fear. --- On Tue, 7/19/11, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: From: richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 3:26 PM Â In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to blame Obama while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
I am actually not scared - it is an equity issue for me. We shouldn't elevate the few at the expense of the many - doesn't make for a functional society. It's a simple moral issue for me...I am no economist and am not against cutting spending - but perhaps we delve a little deeper and start to re-evaluate our values and how to make some of the good ideas of health care for all, a safety net for the elderly, etc. a workable reality. This table says how the money is being allocated - way too much on war of course. --- On Wed, 7/20/11, richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 6:45 AM But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest economic recovery in the post-World War II era? Denise Evans: Because it isn't the American people don't want higher taxesthe question is do the american people want a proportionately fair tax system on the money made from the corporations and wealth aristocrats (that is not coming back to us via the trickle down theory or will it ever) on the backs of us working class. This is another Republican myth that they are spreading to instill fear. You sound really scared. So, how much would reforming the corporate tax code bring down the federal deficit of $13 trillion? This idea is not in Obama's recent federal budget. Why not? http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Denise Evans: This table says how the money is being allocated - way too much on war of course. You sound like a reasonable person, Denise. Do you see any trends in this chart:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: Denise Evans: This table says how the money is being allocated - way too much on war of course. You sound like a reasonable person, Denise. Do you see any trends in this chart: NOTE: It's a fake chart put out by fringe right wing blogs and it's not supported by legitimate objective facts. The costs of the War on Terror are often contested, as academics and critics of the component wars (including the Iraq War) have unearthed many hidden costs not represented in official estimates. The most recent major report on these costs come from Brown University in the form of the Costs of War project, which said the total for wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan is at least $3.2-4 trillion.[1] The report disavowed previous estimates of the Iraq War's cost as being under $1 trillion, saying the Department of Defense's direct spending on Iraq totaled at least $757.8 billion, but also highlighting the complementary costs at home, such as interest paid on the funds borrowed to finance the wars and a potential nearly $1 trillion in extra spending to care for veterans returning from combat through 2050.[2] According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion dollars by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money. The CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen.[9][10] Sources: 1. Costs of War. Brown University. http://costsofwar.org/ 2. Economic and Budgetary Costs of the Wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan to the United States: A Summary. Costs of War. Brown University. http://costsofwar.org/sites/default/files/articles/20/attachments/Economic%20Costs%20Summary.pdf. Retrieved 20 July 2011. 9. Richard Sammon (July 2007). Iraq War: The Cost in Dollars. http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/The_True_Cost_0720723.html. Retrieved 2007-07-23. 10. U.S. CBO estimates $2.4 trillion long-term war costs. Reuters. October 2007. http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2450753720071024. Retrieved 2007-10-24. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War SEE ALSO: Cause of decline in U.S. financial position Both economic conditions and policy decisions significantly worsened the debt outlook since 2001, when large surpluses were forecast for the following decade by the CBO. The Pew Center reported in April 2011 the cause of a $12.7 trillion shift in the debt situation, from a 2001 CBO forecast of $2.3 trillion cumulative surplus by 2011 versus the estimated $10.4 trillion public debt in 2011. The major drivers were: * Revenue declines due to two recessions, separate from the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003: 28% * Defense spending increases: 15% * Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003: 13% * Increases in net interest: 11% * Other non-defense spending: 10% * Other tax cuts: 8% * Obama Stimulus: 6% * Medicare Part D: 2% * Other reasons: 7%[55] Similar analyses were reported by the New York Times in June 2009,[56] the Washington Post in April 2011[57] and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in May 2011.[58] Economist Paul Krugman wrote in May 2011: What happened to the budget surplus the federal government had in 2000? The answer is, three main things. First, there were the Bush tax cuts, which added roughly $2 trillion to the national debt over the last decade. Second, there were the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which added an additional $1.1 trillion or so. And third was the Great Recession, which led both to a collapse in revenue and to a sharp rise in spending on unemployment insurance and other safety-net programs.[59] A Bloomberg analysis in May 2011 attributed $2.0 trillion of the $9.3 trillion of public debt (20%) to additional military and intelligence spending since September 2001, plus another $45 billion annually in interest.[60] All sources documented ny number, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
This table says how the money is being allocated - way too much on war of course. You sound like a reasonable person, Denise. Do you see any trends in this chart: do.rflex: NOTE: It's a fake chart put out by fringe right wing blogs and it's not supported by legitimate objective facts So, if Obama brought ALL the troops home tomorrow, and reduced defense spending to zero, how much would he be able to reduce the $13 trillion federal deficit? And, why isn't this proposal included in Obama's recent federal budget? http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
I must be missing something - this budget breakdown is likely not put out by right wing fringe groups if it is actually posted on whitehouse.gov. It also doesn't reflect what will or will not be approved as it is just a beginning cut that we are watching get hashed out. It does provide a useful graphic to help us understand where our monies are going and I'm glad it is posted. Yes, the budget proportions reflect the reality that most of our current government expenditure is SS, Medicare and Medicaid and Defense...this is a known fact and not our president's fault - if the intent is to lay blame. It is a good reminder that reform is needed, if we, the citizens, don't like the proportions shown. --- On Wed, 7/20/11, richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 3:21 PM This table says how the money is being allocated - way too much on war of course. You sound like a reasonable person, Denise. Do you see any trends in this chart: do.rflex: NOTE: It's a fake chart put out by fringe right wing blogs and it's not supported by legitimate objective facts So, if Obama brought ALL the troops home tomorrow, and reduced defense spending to zero, how much would he be able to reduce the $13 trillion federal deficit? And, why isn't this proposal included in Obama's recent federal budget? http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: snip In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to blame Obama while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty Where is the loyalty? WHERE IS THE LOYALTY??? Where is *his* loyalty to Democratic principles?? Where is his loyalty to the sick, the poor, and the elderly? He's advocating cutting Medicaid and Medicare and Social Security, three of the bedrock concerns of the Democratic Party. - do we forget so fast what a McCain/Palin administration might have looked like? Do we forget what 8 years of Bush and pandering to corporate america got us? How can we forget when we're still seeing the very same pandering? If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing That's Obama, all right. Denise, you aren't paying attention to the *substance* of the left's complaints against Obama. You're just engaging in mindless cheerleading. Are you even *aware* that there are many who think cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last* thing we should be doing while the economy is still in such bad shape?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
I don't think any of us can understand the reality of working with the current Republican leaders and corporate climate until we do ourselves - its brutal and it can kill you and the amount of energy required is beyond that of the administration. They are wearing down and need an influx of energy from the general population who voted as working class Dems. I think that we are getting what we are asked for and the pain we feel is of our own making. No politician is able to make good on the promises they make while campaigning - why even expect this. He is still better than the alternative. I am completely against cutting spending on certain things and I am completely for higher and fairer taxes. I think Obama is wearing down and I suggest the Democratic population march on Washington in the millions and make their position known. Do check out The Last Mountain though - it really is good. --- On Tue, 7/19/11, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: From: authfriend jst...@panix.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 12:58 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: snip In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to blame Obama while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty Where is the loyalty? WHERE IS THE LOYALTY??? Where is *his* loyalty to Democratic principles?? Where is his loyalty to the sick, the poor, and the elderly? He's advocating cutting Medicaid and Medicare and Social Security, three of the bedrock concerns of the Democratic Party. - do we forget so fast what a McCain/Palin administration might have looked like? Do we forget what 8 years of Bush and pandering to corporate america got us? How can we forget when we're still seeing the very same pandering? If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing That's Obama, all right. Denise, you aren't paying attention to the *substance* of the left's complaints against Obama. You're just engaging in mindless cheerleading. Are you even *aware* that there are many who think cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last* thing we should be doing while the economy is still in such bad shape?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to blame Obama while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty authfriend: Are you even *aware* that there are many who think cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last* thing we should be doing while the economy is still in such bad shape? But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest economic recovery in the post-World War II era? http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped
Bhairitu: The establishment will just not relinquish control so that humanity can move forward. They'd rather go down like a sinking ship. Obama ...prefers the inequality that comes from a government hierarchy, over inequality that comes from voluntary trade. http://tinyurl.com/3wtvvpz
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Because it isn't the American people don't want higher taxesthe question is do the american people want a proportionately fair tax system on the money made from the corporations and wealth aristocrats (that is not coming back to us via the trickle down theory or will it ever) on the backs of us working class. This is another Republican myth that they are spreading to instill fear. --- On Tue, 7/19/11, richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 3:26 PM In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to blame Obama while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty authfriend: Are you even *aware* that there are many who think cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last* thing we should be doing while the economy is still in such bad shape? But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest economic recovery in the post-World War II era? http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
Our country has moved so far to the right that there's hardly any difference between a Republican who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare and a Democrat who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare but raise taxes slightly. Ronald Reagan raised taxes and IMO was more of a Democrat than Obama. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-budget-deals-of-reagan-bush-clinton-and-obama-in-one-chart/2011/07/06/gIQA98w11H_blog.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Because it isn't the American people don't want higher taxesthe question is do the american people want a proportionately fair tax system on the money made from the corporations and wealth aristocrats (that is not coming back to us via the trickle down theory or will it ever) on the backs of us working class. Â This is another Republican myth that they are spreading to instill fear. --- On Tue, 7/19/11, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: From: richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 3:26 PM Â In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to blame Obama while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty authfriend: Are you even *aware* that there are many who think cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last* thing we should be doing while the economy is still in such bad shape? But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest economic recovery in the post-World War II era? http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to blame Obama while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty authfriend: Are you even *aware* that there are many who think cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last* thing we should be doing while the economy is still in such bad shape? But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest economic recovery in the post-World War II era? http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc More and more will the 'Light of Consciousness' shine on the arrogance of the corporate elites, so that they pay their fair share...there is a shift coming...soon, stand by..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)
no sweat. They will recognize their emptiness soon enough. In the meantime, make a decent life for yourself Robert. No need to put your attention on the mirage of the rich. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@ wrote: In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to blame Obama while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty authfriend: Are you even *aware* that there are many who think cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last* thing we should be doing while the economy is still in such bad shape? But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest economic recovery in the post-World War II era? http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc More and more will the 'Light of Consciousness' shine on the arrogance of the corporate elites, so that they pay their fair share...there is a shift coming...soon, stand by..
