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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: I'm sorry you are having so much trouble with the concept of Epshittamology. It would be useful to review the definition of Epshittamology from Dr. Ravi Yogi, Psy. D, UC Berekeley's ground breaking research. Anti-intellectual dodge, confusing humor. So as to not startle others around you, repeat softly and gently after me - epshittamology is the indulgence and open admission of brazenly outrageous bullshit to counter others bullshit. I don't think it is doing what you think it is. I am eminently worthy of goofing on Ravi, I get that. But your version is so oddly specific and erroneous. It reminds me of hanging around with people who just smoked weed who dissolve in giggles over inside jokes, leaving the non-stoned people going huh? Now Sarah and Michelle would never admit they are full of nonsense or bullshit would they Curtis? They really believe it, really believe it LIKE YOU !!! That isn't coming through. You give lip-service to being full of it but you come across as trying to maintain a superiority position, some version of the Crazy wisdom routine. I can't imagine how you can come to believe that you are less invested in your POV than I am. You are quite an enthusiastic advocate for yourself. Epistemological humility doesn't mean that someone can't be confident of any knowledge. It is a recognition of the limits of what one knows. People like Sarah and Michelle know all sorts of things that they have good reasons to assert too. It is not those beliefs that I take exception to. It is the class of beliefs that she asserts with confidence that she has no good reasons to assert because they are based on scriptural assertion. As if having some person assert something with no proof a long time ago makes it MORE likely to be true. Anywhoo, we probably beat this one to death. Nice run. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: You already know it Curtis, I always have a single pointed agenda, all the word play is just a mask. I'm not here to indulge in foreplays for yours or anyone else's intellectual hard-ons. You have made it clear repeatedly that you are above it all. Unfortunately I don't share that view of your posts so I'm gunna hold you accountable for any bullshit that includes my name. Well I have been forthright about my bullshit, I indulge in brazenly outrageous BS to deal with your and others BS. Mine's obvious, others's not so much. Yeah, that strategy is working really well for Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman too. Burble nonsense. Get called on nonsense. Double down on nonsense. I'm sorry you are having so much trouble with the concept of Epshittamology. It would be useful to review the definition of Epshittamology from Dr. Ravi Yogi, Psy. D, UC Berekeley's ground breaking research. So as to not startle others around you, repeat softly and gently after me - epshittamology is the indulgence and open admission of brazenly outrageous bullshit to counter others bullshit. Now Sarah and Michelle would never admit they are full of nonsense or bullshit would they Curtis? They really believe it, really believe it LIKE YOU !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Does my brazenly outrageous weird game given you any hint about the weird game you play? So you thought going cryptic would get you off the hook for misstating my beliefs? You are welcome to make a case that I am playing a weird game. You aren't making it by making false statements and then doubling down when
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child... Vaj: Some of the Vedic rishis would be Buddhas as well... The Buddhist tradition is apparently non-Vedic in origin and has little if nothing to do with the Vedic religion. 'Bonpo' came much later in Tibet. The Buddha's shramana POV probably originated in South Asia. It is obvious that the Vedic religion was imported by Aryan speakers from Persia (Iran) and was not native to the Dravidian POV. There are no Buddha's in the Vedic heaven - only some deified heros such as Indra and Varuna. The historical Buddha was opposed to most of the Vedic religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Vedic_religion
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Does my brazenly outrageous weird game given you any hint about the weird game you play?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
Good point - there are only 2 main religions - Hinduism and Judaism, other eastern and the Judeo-christian religions are their respective offshoots. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: I'm not sure what the implications of being a child of something are. Our universe could be the offspring of anther. What became (eventually) Christianity can be said to be born of Judaism - although I can't find any mention of the early so-called Christians thinking of themselves other than Jews. It appears that everything is a child of something else; and yet a parent too. ... Stained glass window, Sulkowski Castle, Poland: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49277.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Does my brazenly outrageous weird game given you any hint about the weird game you play? So you thought going cryptic would get you off the hook for misstating my beliefs? You are welcome to make a case that I am playing a weird game. You aren't making it by making false statements and then doubling down when called on them. I am playing no game here. I am trying to express my beliefs and invite others to express theirs. I prefer when they employ accuracy and respect for the most basic facts. Your incoherence just means you are not on board with having an upfront discussion. Your choice.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
On Aug 26, 2011, at 10:32 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Snip But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism. Little Hindu triumphalism huh Ravi? Ethno-centric bias is so predictable. So you were born in that part of the world and amazingly enough conclude that the stories they tell are the rightest ones. How convenient! Hmm, no, not right stories, the wrong ones too, the good , bad and the ugly, stories of love and hatred, war and peace, life in its all fullness. Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Pretty naive statement. What you have to realize Ravi is that Shakyamuni Buddha is just the primary Buddha of this era - there were Buddhas before him and there were Buddhas after him. In fact, some believe that Shiva is a corruption of a great Bonpo Buddha associated with the kingdom of Xhang Xhung (the area around current Mt. Kailash). Some of the Vedic rishis would be Buddhas as well...
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On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:42 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Weird guy, weird guy. I think his whore gave him a spiritual STD. :-)
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Ravi Yogi: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child... There was no 'Hinduism' at the time of the Buddha, Shakya the Muni. Hinduism came much later, after the rise of the devotional sects, during the Gupta Age of Indian history. In South Asian history, first came the Mound Builders, then the Dravidians who built Harrapa on the Indus; then came the Aryan speakers, who composed the Rig Veda. The Hindu sects - Shivaism, Bhakti, and the Vedanta, all came after the historical Buddha (563 BC).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:42 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Weird guy, weird guy. I think his whore gave him a spiritual STD. :-) A good one Vakri, I'm so happy to see you having a lighter moment, anything that gives you comfort from the constant choking of your parroted shit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 26, 2011, at 10:32 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Snip But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism. Little Hindu triumphalism huh Ravi? Ethno-centric bias is so predictable. So you were born in that part of the world and amazingly enough conclude that the stories they tell are the rightest ones. How convenient! Hmm, no, not right stories, the wrong ones too, the good , bad and the ugly, stories of love and hatred, war and peace, life in its all fullness. Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Pretty naive statement. What you have to realize Ravi is that Shakyamuni Buddha is just the primary Buddha of this era - there were Buddhas before him and there were Buddhas after him. In fact, some believe that Shiva is a corruption of a great Bonpo Buddha associated with the kingdom of Xhang Xhung (the area around current Mt. Kailash). Some of the Vedic rishis would be Buddhas as well... Whatever rocks your boat Vakri, it's a big burden to be the illegitimate child that too of the whore and trust me, I totally sympathize with you and will not take offense at these tall tales.
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You already know it Curtis, I always have a single pointed agenda, all the word play is just a mask. I'm not here to indulge in foreplays for yours or anyone else's intellectual hard-ons. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Does my brazenly outrageous weird game given you any hint about the weird game you play? So you thought going cryptic would get you off the hook for misstating my beliefs? You are welcome to make a case that I am playing a weird game. You aren't making it by making false statements and then doubling down when called on them. I am playing no game here. I am trying to express my beliefs and invite others to express theirs. I prefer when they employ accuracy and respect for the most basic facts. Your incoherence just means you are not on board with having an upfront discussion. Your choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: You already know it Curtis, I always have a single pointed agenda, all the word play is just a mask. I'm not here to indulge in foreplays for yours or anyone else's intellectual hard-ons. You have made it clear repeatedly that you are above it all. Unfortunately I don't share that view of your posts so I'm gunna hold you accountable for any bullshit that includes my name. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Does my brazenly outrageous weird game given you any hint about the weird game you play? So you thought going cryptic would get you off the hook for misstating my beliefs? You are welcome to make a case that I am playing a weird game. You aren't making it by making false statements and then doubling down when called on them. I am playing no game here. I am trying to express my beliefs and invite others to express theirs. I prefer when they employ accuracy and respect for the most basic facts. Your incoherence just means you are not on board with having an upfront discussion. Your choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: You already know it Curtis, I always have a single pointed agenda, all the word play is just a mask. I'm not here to indulge in foreplays for yours or anyone else's intellectual hard-ons. You have made it clear repeatedly that you are above it all. Unfortunately I don't share that view of your posts so I'm gunna hold you accountable for any bullshit that includes my name. Well I have been forthright about my bullshit, I indulge in brazenly outrageous BS to deal with your and others BS. Mine's obvious, others's not so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Does my brazenly outrageous weird game given you any hint about the weird game you play? So you thought going cryptic would get you off the hook for misstating my beliefs? You are welcome to make a case that I am playing a weird game. You aren't making it by making false statements and then doubling down when called on them. I am playing no game here. I am trying to express my beliefs and invite others to express theirs. I prefer when they employ accuracy and respect for the most basic facts. Your incoherence just means you are not on board with having an upfront discussion. Your choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: You already know it Curtis, I always have a single pointed agenda, all the word play is just a mask. I'm not here to indulge in foreplays for yours or anyone else's intellectual hard-ons. You have made it clear repeatedly that you are above it all. Unfortunately I don't share that view of your posts so I'm gunna hold you accountable for any bullshit that includes my name. Well I have been forthright about my bullshit, I indulge in brazenly outrageous BS to deal with your and others BS. Mine's obvious, others's not so much. Yeah, that strategy is working really well for Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman too. Burble nonsense. Get called on nonsense. Double down on nonsense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Does my brazenly outrageous weird game given you any hint about the weird game you play? So you thought going cryptic would get you off the hook for misstating my beliefs? You are welcome to make a case that I am playing a weird game. You aren't making it by making false statements and then doubling down when called on them. I am playing no game here. I am trying to express my beliefs and invite others to express theirs. I prefer when they employ accuracy and respect for the most basic facts. Your incoherence just means you are not on board with having an upfront discussion. Your choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: You already know it Curtis, I always have a single pointed agenda, all the word play is just a mask. I'm not here to indulge in foreplays for yours or anyone else's intellectual hard-ons. You have made it clear repeatedly that you are above it all. Unfortunately I don't share that view of your posts so I'm gunna hold you accountable for any bullshit that includes my name. Well I have been forthright about my bullshit, I indulge in brazenly outrageous BS to deal with your and others BS. Mine's obvious, others's not so much. Yeah, that strategy is working really well for Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman too. Burble nonsense. Get called on nonsense. Double down on nonsense. I'm sorry you are having so much trouble with the concept of Epshittamology. It would be useful to review the definition of Epshittamology from Dr. Ravi Yogi, Psy. D, UC Berekeley's ground breaking research. So as to not startle others around you, repeat softly and gently after me - epshittamology is the indulgence and open admission of brazenly outrageous bullshit to counter others bullshit. Now Sarah and Michelle would never admit they are full of nonsense or bullshit would they Curtis? They really believe it, really believe it LIKE YOU !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. Does my brazenly outrageous weird game given you any hint about the weird game you play? So you thought going cryptic would get you off the hook for misstating my beliefs? You are welcome to make a case that I am playing a weird game. You aren't making it by making false statements and then doubling down when called on them. I am playing no game here. I am trying to express my beliefs and invite others to express theirs. I prefer when they employ accuracy and respect for the most basic facts. Your incoherence just means you are not on board with having an upfront discussion. Your choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Yeah Buddhism is easy, consistent, the Dalai Lama is always smiling, charming, diplomatic. Talks about love, compassion, helping suffering people. People want peace, instant good karma and feel goodness, Tibet needs money. It's like going to a whore, you want sex, relief and she needs money, a win-win situation. But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: .. the Dalai Lama is always smiling, charming, diplomatic. Talks about love, compassion, helping suffering people. Wait just a minute. Who are you talking about? This sounds just like Amma.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-) Certainly if the GUI and mouse had stayed in the Parc labs, nothing would have happened. The copier boys running Xerox in NY state didn't have a clue what to do with them.
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On Aug 26, 2011, at 8:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-) Sri Jobs had cognized the graphical GUI while in India; Xerox, taking advantage of the hundredth monkey effect, stole Jobs cognition. Job- ji, due to support of nature and the frictionless flow of his state of consciousness effortlessly regained what was rightfully his. Geeks in lower states of consciousness tried to replicate it, but only succeeded in mimicking Job's reality distorting cognitions of ultimate User Interface realities.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 26, 2011, at 8:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-) Sri Jobs had cognized the graphical GUI while in India; Xerox, taking advantage of the hundredth monkey effect, stole Jobs cognition. Job-ji, due to support of nature and the frictionless flow of his state of consciousness effortlessly regained what was rightfully his. Yeah, right. And Maharishi was really a Rishi. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 26, 2011, at 8:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-) Sri Jobs had cognized the graphical GUI while in India; Xerox, taking advantage of the hundredth monkey effect, stole Jobs cognition. Job-ji, due to support of nature and the frictionless flow of his state of consciousness effortlessly regained what was rightfully his. Yeah, right. And Maharishi was really a Rishi. :-) Not just a Rishi, a MAHA Rishi, the greatest teacher of ALL time!:-)
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On 08/26/2011 05:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vajvajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-) And how Xerox Fumbled the Future in the book Fumbling the Future: http://www.amazon.com/Fumbling-Future-Invented-Personal-Computer/dp/1583482660 Of course much of today's GUI concept came from the work of Doug Engelbart at SRI circa 1968: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIgzSoTMOs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-) Apple paid for the visit and subsequent use of the ideas by allowing Xerox to purchase $1 million in stock options at a minimalist price which is now probably worth many billions of dollars, had they held on to it. Xerox was so dismal in how they utilized the technology that the entire team that developed the GUI, object oriented programming, etc., eventually ended up working for APple a few years later because they were annoyed at how unproductive working for Xerox proved to be. Apple didn't steal anything. L
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Bhairitu: Of course much of today's GUI concept came from the work of Doug Engelbart... The Apple Macintosh was the first commercially successful personal computer with a graphical user interface. Steve Wozniak is listed as the sole inventor on the following patents: US Patent No. 4,136,359 - Microcomputer for use with video display US Patent No. 4,210,959 - Controller for magnetic disc, recorder US Patent No. 4,217,604 - Apparatus for digitally controlling PAL color display US Patent No. 4,278,972 - Digitally-controlled color signal generation means for use with display
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Bhairitu: Of course much of today's GUI concept came from the work of Doug Engelbart... The Apple Macintosh was the first commercially successful personal computer with a graphical user interface. Missed the reference to Douglas Engelbart. Alan Kay (lead/participant for most of the GUI and much of the other advanced technology work at Xerox) says that almost every major computer invention in the past 45 years was inspired by Douglas Engelbart's Mother of all Demos... google Mother of all Demos for more info. L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Snip But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism. Little Hindu triumphalism huh Ravi? Ethno-centric bias is so predictable. So you were born in that part of the world and amazingly enough conclude that the stories they tell are the rightest ones. How convenient! I don't know how you got the idea that this totally non-religious person is connected in any way to Buddhism, but it is erroneous. Other than studying a bit of the Theravada version to understand my Thai friends better, I am at the I read Siddhartha isn't that about Buddha level of ignorance about this religion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Yeah Buddhism is easy, consistent, the Dalai Lama is always smiling, charming, diplomatic. Talks about love, compassion, helping suffering people. People want peace, instant good karma and feel goodness, Tibet needs money. It's like going to a whore, you want sex, relief and she needs money, a win-win situation. But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-) Apple paid for the visit and subsequent use of the ideas by allowing Xerox to purchase $1 million in stock options at a minimalist price which is now probably worth many billions of dollars, had they held on to it. Xerox was so dismal in how they utilized the technology that the entire team that developed the GUI, object oriented programming, etc., eventually ended up working for APple a few years later because they were annoyed at how unproductive working for Xerox proved to be. Apple didn't steal anything. One thing you can say about being an apologist for one cult leader is that it's good practice for being an apologist for another one.
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On 08/26/2011 09:35 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliamswillytex@... wrote: Bhairitu: Of course much of today's GUI concept came from the work of Doug Engelbart... The Apple Macintosh was the first commercially successful personal computer with a graphical user interface. Missed the reference to Douglas Engelbart. Alan Kay (lead/participant for most of the GUI and much of the other advanced technology work at Xerox) says that almost every major computer invention in the past 45 years was inspired by Douglas Engelbart's Mother of all Demos... google Mother of all Demos for more info. L. The YouTube link I provided IS part 1 of 9 of The Mother of All Demos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIgzSoTMOs
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Hee hee hee. This is getting interesting. hahaha. The duel is on! Please continue! LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Snip But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism. Little Hindu triumphalism huh Ravi? Ethno-centric bias is so predictable. So you were born in that part of the world and amazingly enough conclude that the stories they tell are the rightest ones. How convenient! I don't know how you got the idea that this totally non-religious person is connected in any way to Buddhism, but it is erroneous. Other than studying a bit of the Theravada version to understand my Thai friends better, I am at the I read Siddhartha isn't that about Buddha level of ignorance about this religion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Yeah Buddhism is easy, consistent, the Dalai Lama is always smiling, charming, diplomatic. Talks about love, compassion, helping suffering people. People want peace, instant good karma and feel goodness, Tibet needs money. It's like going to a whore, you want sex, relief and she needs money, a win-win situation. But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism.
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Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs... sparaig: Apple didn't steal anything. Looks like Turq was fibbing again, just like he was fibbing about the Rama levitation incident? Go figure.
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No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism... curtisdeltablues: Little Hindu triumphalism huh Ravi? The historical Buddha was a Hindu - there was no 'Buddhism' back then (563 BC).
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Well the entire team didn't go to Apple, but they all left Xerox and started companies like Adobe, Ashton-Tate (MS Word), and GRiD Systems. My wife worked at Parc for five years during that amazing run of creativity. Too bad some on here think that spreading Parc's technology is a BAD THING, or pretend to, just for a little attention (you know who you are)...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-) Apple paid for the visit and subsequent use of the ideas by allowing Xerox to purchase $1 million in stock options at a minimalist price which is now probably worth many billions of dollars, had they held on to it. Xerox was so dismal in how they utilized the technology that the entire team that developed the GUI, object oriented programming, etc., eventually ended up working for APple a few years later because they were annoyed at how unproductive working for Xerox proved to be. Apple didn't steal anything. L
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Sri Jobs actually took off, long ago, in search of himself to India, backpacking and hitchhiking around that country. The trip culminated with him being taken high to the hills above Rishikesh and having his head shaved by his guru. He returned to America with a shaved head and dressed in Indian clothing. From that silence sequentially unfolded the Macintosh... Plus a little help from having stolen the entire concept from Xerox Parc labs. :-) Apple paid for the visit and subsequent use of the ideas by allowing Xerox to purchase $1 million in stock options at a minimalist price which is now probably worth many billions of dollars, had they held on to it. Xerox was so dismal in how they utilized the technology that the entire team that developed the GUI, object oriented programming, etc., eventually ended up working for APple a few years later because they were annoyed at how unproductive working for Xerox proved to be. Apple didn't steal anything. One thing you can say about being an apologist for one cult leader is that it's good practice for being an apologist for another one. Great comeback... Except, where is your explanation of why you disagree with my conclusion? L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: .. the Dalai Lama is always smiling, charming, diplomatic. Talks about love, compassion, helping suffering people. Wait just a minute. Who are you talking about? This sounds just like Amma. Sounds like Amma but not quite. Sure the PR people may spin her as a humanitarian in the likes of Teresa to attract the pain projecting liberals, but she's much beyond it. There is a lot of difference between the practice of love vs radiating true love and compassion from an inner fullness. A practice of love, fake smile is always attractive than the paradox of a real Satguru.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Snip But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism. Little Hindu triumphalism huh Ravi? Ethno-centric bias is so predictable. So you were born in that part of the world and amazingly enough conclude that the stories they tell are the rightest ones. How convenient! Hmm, no, not right stories, the wrong ones too, the good , bad and the ugly, stories of love and hatred, war and peace, life in its all fullness. Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you.
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-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Snip But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism. Little Hindu triumphalism huh Ravi? Ethno-centric bias is so predictable. So you were born in that part of the world and amazingly enough conclude that the stories they tell are the rightest ones. How convenient! Hmm, no, not right stories, the wrong ones too, the good , bad and the ugly, stories of love and hatred, war and peace, life in its all fullness. Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you.
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I'm not sure what the implications of being a child of something are. Our universe could be the offspring of anther. What became (eventually) Christianity can be said to be born of Judaism - although I can't find any mention of the early so-called Christians thinking of themselves other than Jews. It appears that everything is a child of something else; and yet a parent too. ... Stained glass window, Sulkowski Castle, Poland: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49277.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you. Why would you use the term projection while doing just that? I am not a Buddhist. I not a pain projecting liberal, whatever that means. Weird game Ravi. Weird game. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Snip But Hinduism gets too complicated, too many paradoxes, ups and downs, too many inconsistencies, like the beloved. It takes love, faith, trust and commitment. Only with love can you accept a person in totality. No wonder the majority of Americans including Vaj, Barry and Curtis choose Buddhism. Little Hindu triumphalism huh Ravi? Ethno-centric bias is so predictable. So you were born in that part of the world and amazingly enough conclude that the stories they tell are the rightest ones. How convenient! Hmm, no, not right stories, the wrong ones too, the good , bad and the ugly, stories of love and hatred, war and peace, life in its all fullness. Buddhism is just Hindu's bastard child, more of a child born out of a fling with the whore (intellect). The pain, suffering, consistent message of this bastard child is always attractive to the likes of pain projecting liberals like you.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties.
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On 08/25/2011 08:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaisterno_reply@... wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. The way the press is going with Jobs resignation you'd think he actually invented all of Apple's stuff. From what I heard he was more a governor on a lot of ideas that teams in Cupertino came up with. Apparently he likes keeping things simple so he can understand them. :-D
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... He's also a Syrian-American. His father and mother were forced apart by her bigoted family and she was forced to give him up for adoption when he was born. His sister is a well-known writer and a college professor. There's an interview with his father floating around the 'net. L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/25/2011 08:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaisterno_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. The way the press is going with Jobs resignation you'd think he actually invented all of Apple's stuff. From what I heard he was more a governor on a lot of ideas that teams in Cupertino came up with. Apparently he likes keeping things simple so he can understand them. :-D Actually, Jobs' main strengths have always been to recognize and inspire talent and recognize the potential for others' ideas, combined with an infectious vision (reality distortion field was originally a reference to his ability to get *engineers* fired up about a project), and a good sense of marketing to the masses. Certainly, he doesn't have a 200 IQ like Woz is said to have, but he has the ability to communicate with world-class engineers on their level combined with the ability to communicate with world-class artists and designers on THEIR level, AND coordinate the creation of an end-product that is more often than not, world-class. That combination has produced many of the most popular and significant products of the last 30 years, including the Apple I, ][ and \\e, the Mac, NeXT/MacOS X, iPod/iPhone/iPad and of course, Toy Story friends. It has made him the most influential technologist and media mogul in the world, taking Apple to become the largest company in the world and eclipsing the fact that he and his team now run DIsney (seeing that he sits on the BoD, is the largest shareholder, and John Lassiter of Pixar now runs the Disney Animation division). L L.
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On 08/25/2011 10:43 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 08/25/2011 08:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaisterno_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. The way the press is going with Jobs resignation you'd think he actually invented all of Apple's stuff. From what I heard he was more a governor on a lot of ideas that teams in Cupertino came up with. Apparently he likes keeping things simple so he can understand them. :-D Actually, Jobs' main strengths have always been to recognize and inspire talent and recognize the potential for others' ideas, combined with an infectious vision (reality distortion field was originally a reference to his ability to get *engineers* fired up about a project), and a good sense of marketing to the masses. Certainly, he doesn't have a 200 IQ like Woz is said to have, but he has the ability to communicate with world-class engineers on their level combined with the ability to communicate with world-class artists and designers on THEIR level, AND coordinate the creation of an end-product that is more often than not, world-class. That combination has produced many of the most popular and significant products of the last 30 years, including the Apple I, ][ and \\e, the Mac, NeXT/MacOS X, iPod/iPhone/iPad and of course, Toy Story friends. It has made him the most influential technologist and media mogul in the world, taking Apple to become the largest company in the world and eclipsing the fact that he and his team now run DIsney (seeing that he sits on the BoD, is the largest shareholder, and John Lassiter of Pixar now runs the Disney Animation division). L. That read like an Apple PR release. :-D Here in the Bay Area the opinion of Jobs may not be as high. I once saw him give a demo of his networked development system at a multimedia event. Some folks around here thought this fictional movie pretty much hit it on the head: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Pirates_of_Silicon_Valley/70036929 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/ Maybe with him out of the picture Apple can gain the market share it should have as an alternative OS by licensing it to other companies. And maybe one won't need a damned Mac to build an iPhone app. And maybe build the UI with more than just Obejct C.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/25/2011 10:43 AM, sparaig wrote: [...] Actually, Jobs' main strengths have always been to recognize and inspire talent and recognize the potential for others' ideas, combined with an infectious vision (reality distortion field was originally a reference to his ability to get *engineers* fired up about a project), and a good sense of marketing to the masses. Certainly, he doesn't have a 200 IQ like Woz is said to have, but he has the ability to communicate with world-class engineers on their level combined with the ability to communicate with world-class artists and designers on THEIR level, AND coordinate the creation of an end-product that is more often than not, world-class. That combination has produced many of the most popular and significant products of the last 30 years, including the Apple I, ][ and \\e, the Mac, NeXT/MacOS X, iPod/iPhone/iPad and of course, Toy Story friends. It has made him the most influential technologist and media mogul in the world, taking Apple to become the largest company in the world and eclipsing the fact that he and his team now run DIsney (seeing that he sits on the BoD, is the largest shareholder, and John Lassiter of Pixar now runs the Disney Animation division). L. That read like an Apple PR release. :-D Do you think an Apple press release would refer to Jobs as having a reality distortion field? I've programmed Apple //e's, Classic Macs and Mac OS X. I've been an Apple programmer for nearly 30 years and I've worked for Apple indirectly as the local Performa representative, traveling around to all the dept stores, trying to make sure that the Mac displays were kept neat and functional. I've dealt with many of the Apple people over the years including Jef Raskin (founder of the original Mac project and arch enemy of Steve Jobs) and Steve Wozniak. I used to own a bit of Apple stock and became an Apple watcher because of it (had I held onto all of it I would now be worth about $4 million -I sold the last 3/4 (6 shares after a 3 x 2-way splits) of a share for $1600 earlier this year), so I've been following the company pretty darned closely compared to most people. Here in the Bay Area the opinion of Jobs may not be as high. What would they say differently? Anyone who denies what I said above is deluded. They might enjoy concentrating on his personality/character flaws, but that wasn't the point of my post. I once saw him give a demo of his networked development system at a multimedia event. Some folks around here thought this fictional movie pretty much hit it on the head: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Pirates_of_Silicon_Valley/70036929 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/ Wozniak once pointed out that while the actors nailed the personalities and inter-personal relationships of all the major characters, there was a great many factual errors in that movie. Maybe with him out of the picture Apple can gain the market share it should have as an alternative OS by licensing it to other companies. A publicly held company isn't supposed to gain market share :It is supposed to make money. Apple is now the largest company in the world, market-cap wise, and its year over year profits are growing as fast or faster than Microsoft's did at its most influential. What argument can you make that using Microsoft's strategy will make more money for Apple than Apple's strategy does? And maybe one won't need a damned Mac to build an iPhone app. And maybe build the UI with more than just Obejct C. Great marketing strategy for Apple, don't you agree? iPhone programming classes are amongst the most popular computer programming classes in the world. 100,000 people have signed up to watch the Stanford University iPhone programming classes online, and every one of them needs a Mac to sell (if not program since plenty of people have Hackintoshes) an iPhone app. When you learn to program an iPhone, you have basically learned 90-95% of what is required to program a Mac and vice versa. As I said, great marketing strategy for Apple. Objective C is basically C with object libraries added that use Smalltalk syntax and a Smalltalk-like runtime object model. I understand that most people (especially C++/C#/Java programmers) don't really understand Object-Oriented Programming but Smalltalk was the language from which almost all other OOP languages get their OOP concepts and most of languages don't do it nearly as well. Additionally, the GUI that Jobs and Gates saw at PARC was written in Smalltalk. In fact, modern GUIs and SMalltalk-OOP evolved hand in hand up until the Mac and Windows came about, so to knock using Smalltalk-like syntax in a GUI is well, stupid. On almost every detail of your post you have proven yourself to be incorrect or at best, short-sighted.
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cardemaister: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! By 1974, working for Atari, Jobs had saved up enough money to go to India in search of spiritual enlightenment in the company of Dan Kottke (quoted in Halliday, 1983, p. 205). According to my sources Jobs was initiated into TM in late 1972 while still at Reed. Read more: Subject: Steve Jobs: A Zen-like calm? From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: January 13, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/3oto5mo
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. Only 1 photographer that I know has a MAC since when they break you might as well throw the whole thing away. If my PC breaks thousands of companies can supply some little part to make it work again. But Maharishi loved MAC's. Then again he loved everything and everybody, including Buddhists :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. Only 1 photographer that I know has a MAC since when they break you might as well throw the whole thing away. If my PC breaks thousands of companies can supply some little part to make it work again. But Maharishi loved MAC's. Then again he loved everything and everybody, including Buddhists :-) and crop circles and ufo's. : ) ...and little dudes named nabby.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
On 08/25/2011 12:28 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 08/25/2011 10:43 AM, sparaig wrote: [...] Actually, Jobs' main strengths have always been to recognize and inspire talent and recognize the potential for others' ideas, combined with an infectious vision (reality distortion field was originally a reference to his ability to get *engineers* fired up about a project), and a good sense of marketing to the masses. Certainly, he doesn't have a 200 IQ like Woz is said to have, but he has the ability to communicate with world-class engineers on their level combined with the ability to communicate with world-class artists and designers on THEIR level, AND coordinate the creation of an end-product that is more often than not, world-class. That combination has produced many of the most popular and significant products of the last 30 years, including the Apple I, ][ and \\e, the Mac, NeXT/MacOS X, iPod/iPhone/iPad and of course, Toy Story friends. It has made him the most influential technologist and media mogul in the world, taking Apple to become the largest company in the world and eclipsing the fact that he and his team now run DIsney (seeing that he sits on the BoD, is the largest shareholder, and John Lassiter of Pixar now runs the Disney Animation division). L. That read like an Apple PR release. :-D Do you think an Apple press release would refer to Jobs as having a reality distortion field? I've programmed Apple //e's, Classic Macs and Mac OS X. I've been an Apple programmer for nearly 30 years and I've worked for Apple indirectly as the local Performa representative, traveling around to all the dept stores, trying to make sure that the Mac displays were kept neat and functional. I've dealt with many of the Apple people over the years including Jef Raskin (founder of the original Mac project and arch enemy of Steve Jobs) and Steve Wozniak. I used to own a bit of Apple stock and became an Apple watcher because of it (had I held onto all of it I would now be worth about $4 million -I sold the last 3/4 (6 shares after a 3 x 2-way splits) of a share for $1600 earlier this year), so I've been following the company pretty darned closely compared to most people. Here in the Bay Area the opinion of Jobs may not be as high. What would they say differently? Anyone who denies what I said above is deluded. They might enjoy concentrating on his personality/character flaws, but that wasn't the point of my post. I once saw him give a demo of his networked development system at a multimedia event. Some folks around here thought this fictional movie pretty much hit it on the head: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Pirates_of_Silicon_Valley/70036929 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/ Wozniak once pointed out that while the actors nailed the personalities and inter-personal relationships of all the major characters, there was a great many factual errors in that movie. Maybe with him out of the picture Apple can gain the market share it should have as an alternative OS by licensing it to other companies. A publicly held company isn't supposed to gain market share :It is supposed to make money. Apple is now the largest company in the world, market-cap wise, and its year over year profits are growing as fast or faster than Microsoft's did at its most influential. What argument can you make that using Microsoft's strategy will make more money for Apple than Apple's strategy does? And maybe one won't need a damned Mac to build an iPhone app. And maybe build the UI with more than just Obejct C. Great marketing strategy for Apple, don't you agree? iPhone programming classes are amongst the most popular computer programming classes in the world. 100,000 people have signed up to watch the Stanford University iPhone programming classes online, and every one of them needs a Mac to sell (if not program since plenty of people have Hackintoshes) an iPhone app. When you learn to program an iPhone, you have basically learned 90-95% of what is required to program a Mac and vice versa. As I said, great marketing strategy for Apple. Objective C is basically C with object libraries added that use Smalltalk syntax and a Smalltalk-like runtime object model. I understand that most people (especially C++/C#/Java programmers) don't really understand Object-Oriented Programming but Smalltalk was the language from which almost all other OOP languages get their OOP concepts and most of languages don't do it nearly as well. Additionally, the GUI that Jobs and Gates saw at PARC was written in Smalltalk. In fact, modern GUIs and SMalltalk-OOP evolved hand in hand up until the Mac and Windows came about, so to knock using Smalltalk-like syntax in a GUI is well, stupid. On almost every detail of your post you have proven yourself to be
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: [...] Really got Lawson wound up on that one, didn't I folks? :-D We have a lot of Lawson types in the Bay Area. We call them Silicon Valley Snarks. Truly a cogent response to my points. I bow before your superior intellect and knowledge of the topic. L.
