[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: I have never read before MMY talking about direct Celestial communication. Good stuff! Thanks for finding this! Yes truly wonderful find. There are several incidents like this from India where he spoke with Her, particularily in the South at Rameshwaram and Kanyakumari. Also there is a small temple in Old Delhi where Maharishi received the Siddhis from Her. I'll try to find the name and post to you privately. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: Since most people don't have this experience there are folks who fake this to take advantage of others. Too bad - leads to rampant cynicism. However there are indications wrt the experience that can speak to its validity, or not. Maharishi's account reads as genuine. Can you guess why? No, *not* because it is Maharishi... With followers like Curtis it's not surpising Maharishi was on the verge of giving up and retire to the Himalayas several times. Having to deal with, excuse my wording, idiots like Curtis withing his own organization must have been very taxing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I believe in the phenomenon just not the interpretation of what it means. Excellent. People have all *sorts* of experiences. And to them (us) they're very real at the time. It's in the interpretation of what these experiences mean that the rubber often fails to meet the road. It is well known capacity of our brains. In some conditions our ability to distinguish inner and outer mental experience gets confused. That is my take on the sincere ones. Mine, too. I have no reason to believe that Roberts was less sincere in having a dramatic experience than Maharishi. I have compassion for Mr. Roberts. Imagine trying to be a Fundamentalist Christian preacher while having the first name of Oral. Guy's had an uphill battle. It is just funny how convenient they both came out to be for their own desires. A trend I have noticed as well. I am not really sure that Maharishi is not just reporting a dramatic conversation he had with himself in the context of a temple using Mother Divine as an artistic literary device. I don't remember who said it first, but a quote I always liked was I know that I am God because every time I talk to him I find that I am talking to myself. That would be my best guess. He was reporting his thoughts in a more dramatic way taking some poetic license to punch the story up a bit. One could make the case that the Ramayana did exactly the same thing, expanding on a simple soap opera story about adultery and rage and turning it into some kind of high, spiritual epic. He did a similar thing I believe when he claimed that Vasishtha came onto him last night! It lead to a perspective about the Vedas. LOL. I have my doubts that he saw himself in as mystical a light as he projected to us. I have my doubts that Maharishi ever saw himself, period. I think his brain was racing so fast and that he was so enamored with it that he never had a chance to self-reflect. Judith's book makes me believe he was more of a poetic devise guy than a I just talked to Mother Divine for real real guy. YMMV Device. But yeah. He was a storyteller, telling tall tales to the children. Who ate it up like gumdrops. But my guess is that there are way more people who actually experience something dramatic than people who are outright lying through their teeth. I've had ones like it so I understand how compelling they are. I would agree. On the whole, the people I like and prefer to hang with are the ones who have such experiences and then work on figuring out WTF they might have been with some measure of humility, and humor. Those who claim to know what such experiences were and what they meant, not so much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Also there is a small temple in Old Delhi where Maharishi received the Siddhis from Her. I'll try to find the name and post to you privately. You are just the gift that keeps on giving aren't you Nabbie? S since we know from his own admission that Maharishi was experimenting trial and error on those first 6 month courses, was it because she was a bad teacher or was he a bad student? I'm imagining the HDHD Maharishi sitting close to Her (note the capital to indicate maximum woo woo) and just when she leans in to describe the details of sunyama, his head whips around and he says squirrel, squirrel! And so the teaching was lost. Or perhaps knowing Maharishi as we do now he might have just been staring at her headlights. (In his defense they are supernaturally perky for her age and She swears that she has had not work done. Coughsbotox Did that joke get through? I am trying to figure out how to write out the coughing sound that ends in the word botox in the cough-talking style of Jon Stewart.) BTW I was chatting with one of my favorite space brothers the other day playing chess actually (like our earth brothers he learned it in lock up) and he was indicating that She learned a thing or two during her Mahayuga cycles concerning some practices that involved the erotic possibilities that come from having 6 arms. If you have any inside dope on this please email me privately. I've got an idea that revolves around 3 Filipino hookers and a roll of duct tape that I want to run by you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: I have never read before MMY talking about direct Celestial communication. Good stuff! Thanks for finding this! Yes truly wonderful find. There are several incidents like this from India where he spoke with Her, particularily in the South at Rameshwaram and Kanyakumari. Also there is a small temple in Old Delhi where Maharishi received the Siddhis from Her. I'll try to find the name and post to you privately. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html curtisdeltablues: ...I've got an idea that revolves around 3 Filipino hookers and a roll of duct tape that I want to run by you. So, you want to talk more about your sexual activities again. Where do you think this will put you on the Google search? Why would anyone need duct tape on 3 Filipino 'hookers'? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Nabby: Also there is a small temple in Old Delhi where Maharishi received the Siddhis from Her. I'll try to find the name and post to you privately. Curtis: You are just the gift that keeps on giving aren't you Nabbie? S since we know from his own admission that Maharishi was experimenting trial and error on those first 6 month courses, This is actually true, from what I heard from people on staff around MMY at that time. He also experimented with the medical treatments at the time for course participants. MMY had not yet promoted Ayurveda, and I recall he had brought in a few different types of doctors to get their ideas and try them out on us on those early 6 month courses. I think one chiropractor's name was Dr. Bloodworth, and we all had a good laugh over that one. I know one dr suggested eating the wild dandelion leaves that grew by the roadside in Switzerland - eating several plants per walk. I think this experimental phase lasted a few years (1976-78?), then Ayurveda was the thing by the late 1980's. Can't recall when jyotish entered the scene, but before MMY claimed it as a good thing, it was totally OTP (off the program) and could get you banned if they found out you were seeing an astrologer. Then, that position got reversed completely if you saw a Maharishi jyotishi. was it because she was a bad teacher or was he a bad student? I'm imagining the HDHD Maharishi sitting close to Her (note the capital to indicate maximum woo woo) and just when she leans in to describe the details of sunyama, his head whips around and he says squirrel, squirrel! And so the teaching was lost. Or perhaps knowing Maharishi as we do now he might have just been staring at her headlights. (In his defense they are supernaturally perky for her age and She swears that she has had not work done. Coughsbotox Did that joke get through? I am trying to figure out how to write out the coughing sound that ends in the word botox in the cough-talking style of Jon Stewart.) BTW I was chatting with one of my favorite space brothers the other day playing chess actually (like our earth brothers he learned it in lock up) and he was indicating that She learned a thing or two during her Mahayuga cycles concerning some practices that involved the erotic possibilities that come from having 6 arms. If you have any inside dope on this please email me privately. I've got an idea that revolves around 3 Filipino hookers and a roll of duct tape that I want to run by you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html curtisdeltablues: ...I've got an idea that revolves around 3 Filipino hookers and a roll of duct tape that I want to run by you. So, you want to talk more about your sexual activities again. Where do you think this will put you on the Google search? Why would anyone need duct tape on 3 Filipino 'hookers'? Go figure. Over the years the vile and sarcastic nature of this Curtis fellow have reminded me of the infinite patience and love Maharishi displayed. Just imagine having to run an organization that even within it contained such hard rocks of ignorgance and negativity ! That he simply didn't just give up and return to the Himalayas really tell you something about the man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@ wrote: http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html curtisdeltablues: ...I've got an idea that revolves around 3 Filipino hookers and a roll of duct tape that I want to run by you. So, you want to talk more about your sexual activities again. Where do you think this will put you on the Google search? Why would anyone need duct tape on 3 Filipino 'hookers'? Go figure. Over the years the vile and sarcastic nature of this Curtis fellow have reminded me of the infinite patience and love Maharishi displayed. Just imagine having to run an organization that even within it contained such hard rocks of ignorgance and negativity ! That he simply didn't just give up and return to the Himalayas really tell you something about the man. This is good Nabby. I like Curtis's ideas, but this made me laugh. Your choice of words (hard rocks of ignorance and negativity) are amazing. And you are correct in that those who served Maharishi were young and not perfect, but boy did we try to help him out - devoting years of our lives, living on little if any income. It was service to a Master. And that is the huge point you overlook. People devoted to Maharishi in those years were certainly not negative and no more ignorant than any other 25 year old. But they grew up and some grew away and thought things thru for themselves. It does not make them negative or ignorant, just grown up. Nothing wrong in that at all - I think life has room for that since - if you buy into spiritual ideas - not everyone is a bhakti. Also, Maharishi's organization changed and shifted a lot over time, making it difficult for people to stay in it. And sadly, the corruption made many people distrust the spiritual good things within the teaching.To me, that is a big deal. More than money and other possible scandals.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@ wrote: http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html curtisdeltablues: ...I've got an idea that revolves around 3 Filipino hookers and a roll of duct tape that I want to run by you. So, you want to talk more about your sexual activities again. Where do you think this will put you on the Google search? Why would anyone need duct tape on 3 Filipino 'hookers'? Go figure. Over the years the vile and sarcastic nature of this Curtis fellow have reminded me of the infinite patience and love Maharishi displayed. Just imagine having to run an organization that even within it contained such hard rocks of ignorgance and negativity ! That he simply didn't just give up and return to the Himalayas really tell you something about the man. This is good Nabby. I like Curtis's ideas, but this made me laugh. Your choice of words (hard rocks of ignorance and negativity) are amazing. And you are correct in that those who served Maharishi were young and not perfect, but boy did we try to help him out - devoting years of our lives, living on little if any income. It was service to a Master. And that is the huge point you overlook. I did not overlook this, I was part of it. Still is to some degree. People devoted to Maharishi in those years were certainly not negative and no more ignorant than any other 25 year old. I know. There was very little negativity around. The bitter and vile souls like Curtis you would find in the field only. But also there, huge amounts of very progressive and bright people. But they grew up and some grew away and thought things thru for themselves. It does not make them negative or ignorant, just grown up. Nothing wrong in that at all - I think life has room for that since - if you buy into spiritual ideas - not everyone is a bhakti. Also, Maharishi's organization changed and shifted a lot over time, making it difficult for people to stay in it. That's right. Many were too inflexible to follow. The Movement belongs to those who move Many also had burned a considerate amount of karma during those years of service and was happy with that. Nothing wrong with taking a break from Tapas, even for the rest of the lifetime, ofcourse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
Vile, you say? I guess you are aligned with the British revisionism when translating the Vedic literature then huh? The Vedic literature itself is not puritanical and uncomfortable with human sexuality. Quite the contrary, it celebrates it and uses it as a consistent metaphor. Have you not read the Lingum Purna which even in stuffy translation reads like a porno novel on shrooms. And have you ever seen the murals on those Indian temples in the South that Maharishi was so eager to visit? And even if you go for Krishna in the water with multiple Gopis sporting like elephants as metaphors for consciousness details, the images they picked makes Girls Gone Wild look like a librarian's convention. (But when they take off their glasses and shake their hair loose after the Cyber Dewie Decimal System lecture, look out!) Seriously Nabbie you are in serious denial about the metaphoric choices in your own tradition. What do you think comes after, the frog desires water, the physician desires disease in the uncensored version of the Rig Veda? Can you really be that clueless? And I am vile! No, neither the Vedas nor I are vile for using sexual image metaphors. Don't you think they knew how to interest humans on this planet at least as well as the guy who sells cars on TV or do you think the chick on the hood of the car in the bikini is just holding the hood down? And why exactly are you still reading my posts? At this point I'm gunna have to draw my own conclusions. Was I the guy who wrote it into the Mahabharata that 5 brothers shared one wife? Tell me that isn't right out of a Japanese Bukkake flick. But I am the vile one for pointing it out. Do you know what a lingum and a yoni are? Are you so hopelessly naive that you don't get what pouring milk over a lingum so it flows into the yoni is all about. They chose this image and there is nothing vile about it. Maharishi was the king of a none for you, all for me attitude about sex. He postured as a prude while living a life of a rockstar with ALL the perky perks. He was a Republican (build a bigger bomb) hypocrite about sex. I hope at least you are also a hypocrite in this area and didn't buy into the BS, cuz if you did, you really wasted your youth. One of the things I would need to see in any spiritual system that claims to explain all of life's secrets is a comfort and natural connection with our full humanness above the pathetic puritanical shaming that demonstrates that you aren't even comfortable with your own body let alone have secrets about the universe. You don't help your cause at all with this denial laden, prudish posturing. But I will concede one point Nabbie, Duct taping 3 Filipino hookers together to simulate the Vedic options available with the Divine one is a bit vile. You really need to use stage gaffer tape so it is easier to remove. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@ wrote: http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html curtisdeltablues: ...I've got an idea that revolves around 3 Filipino hookers and a roll of duct tape that I want to run by you. So, you want to talk more about your sexual activities again. Where do you think this will put you on the Google search? Why would anyone need duct tape on 3 Filipino 'hookers'? Go figure. Over the years the vile and sarcastic nature of this Curtis fellow have reminded me of the infinite patience and love Maharishi displayed. Just imagine having to run an organization that even within it contained such hard rocks of ignorgance and negativity ! That he simply didn't just give up and return to the Himalayas really tell you something about the man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
Yes, we can always speculate in such a way that it fulfills our desires too. I personally do not share my experiences because I want to convince others of their validity. I mention it for those few souls who are dedicated to their liberation, and to know such things are possible. There might be a person or two out there who wishes for a personal relationship with a saint or god or goddess, and such a thing is possible. It is possible to meet souls in the astral world who love unconditionally and completely, forgive us for everything they see in us, and establish a dynamic and real, long lasting relationship that grows and changes much as an earthly one does. I can appreciate your desire to know such phenomena as a bridge between science and spirituality, and wish you complete success in your inquiry. PS The reason Maharishi's experience rings true for me, is the nature of the relationship he has with Mother Divine. A conversation and a relationship, vs. the robertson guy who claims a 900 foot Jesus and something out of science fiction. Once you are having these experiences at will, it is easy to spot the fakers from those describing a real experience. I look forward to continuing this discussion in a week if you like, or with anyone else who enjoys the subject of direct celestial communication. This is 51 for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I believe in the phenomenon just not the interpretation of what it means. It is well known capacity of our brains. In some conditions our ability to distinguish inner and outer mental experience gets confused. That is my take on the sincere ones. I have no reason to believe that Roberts was less sincere in having a dramatic experience than Maharishi. It is just funny how convenient they both came out to be for their own desires. I am not really sure that Maharishi is not just reporting a dramatic conversation he had with himself in the context of a temple using Mother Divine as an artistic literary device. That would be my best guess. He was reporting his thoughts in a more dramatic way taking some poetic license to punch the story up a bit. He did a similar thing I believe when he claimed that Vasishtha came onto him last night! It lead to a perspective about the Vedas. I have my doubts that he saw himself in as mystical a light as he projected to us. Judith's book makes me believe he was more of a poetic devise guy than a I just talked to Mother Divine for real real guy. YMMV But my guess is that there are way more people who actually experience something dramatic than people who are outright lying through their teeth. I've had ones like it so I understand how compelling they are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: Since most people don't have this experience there are folks who fake this to take advantage of others. Too bad - leads to rampant cynicism. However there are indications wrt the experience that can speak to its validity, or not. Maharishi's account reads as genuine. Can you guess why? No, *not* because it is Maharishi... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Where have I heard this type of claim before...oh yeah: n 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success. So convenient how God supports a person's organizational ambitions like that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: Yes, we can always speculate in such a way that it fulfills our desires too. I personally do not share my experiences because I want to convince others of their validity. I mention it for those few souls who are dedicated to their liberation, and to know such things are possible. There might be a person or two out there who wishes for a personal relationship with a saint or god or goddess, and such a thing is possible. It is possible to meet souls in the astral world who love unconditionally and completely, forgive us for everything they see in us, and establish a dynamic and real, long lasting relationship that grows and changes much as an earthly one does. I can appreciate your desire to know such phenomena as a bridge between science and spirituality, and wish you complete success in your inquiry. PS The reason Maharishi's experience rings true for me, is the nature of the relationship he has with Mother Divine. A conversation and a relationship, vs. the robertson guy who claims a 900 foot Jesus and something out of science fiction. Once you are having these experiences at will, it is easy to spot the fakers from those describing a real experience. Thans for answering your earlier question on this. I was wondering what rang true for you. I look forward to continuing this discussion in a week if you like, or with anyone else who enjoys the subject of direct celestial communication. This is 51 for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I believe in the phenomenon just not the interpretation of what it means. It is well known capacity of our brains. In some conditions our ability to distinguish inner and outer mental experience gets confused. That is my take on the sincere ones. I have no reason to believe that Roberts was less sincere in having a dramatic experience than Maharishi. It is just funny how convenient they both came out to be for their own desires. I am not really sure that Maharishi is not just reporting a dramatic conversation he had with himself in the context of a temple using Mother Divine as an artistic literary device. That would be my best guess. He was reporting his thoughts in a more dramatic way taking some poetic license to punch the story up a bit. He did a similar thing I believe when he claimed that Vasishtha came onto him last night! It lead to a perspective about the Vedas. I have my doubts that he saw himself in as mystical a light as he projected to us. Judith's book makes me believe he was more of a poetic devise guy than a I just talked to Mother Divine for real real guy. YMMV But my guess is that there are way more people who actually experience something dramatic than people who are outright lying through their teeth. I've had ones like it so I understand how compelling they are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: Since most people don't have this experience there are folks who fake this to take advantage of others. Too bad - leads to rampant cynicism. However there are indications wrt the experience that can speak to its validity, or not. Maharishi's account reads as genuine. Can you guess why? No, *not* because it is Maharishi... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Where have I heard this type of claim before...oh yeah: n 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success. So convenient how God supports a person's organizational ambitions like that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
I have never read before MMY talking about direct Celestial communication. Good stuff! Thanks for finding this! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
Where have I heard this type of claim before...oh yeah: n 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success. So convenient how God supports a person's organizational ambitions like that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
Since most people don't have this experience there are folks who fake this to take advantage of others. Too bad - leads to rampant cynicism. However there are indications wrt the experience that can speak to its validity, or not. Maharishi's account reads as genuine. Can you guess why? No, *not* because it is Maharishi... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Where have I heard this type of claim before...oh yeah: n 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success. So convenient how God supports a person's organizational ambitions like that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
I believe in the phenomenon just not the interpretation of what it means. It is well known capacity of our brains. In some conditions our ability to distinguish inner and outer mental experience gets confused. That is my take on the sincere ones. I have no reason to believe that Roberts was less sincere in having a dramatic experience than Maharishi. It is just funny how convenient they both came out to be for their own desires. I am not really sure that Maharishi is not just reporting a dramatic conversation he had with himself in the context of a temple using Mother Divine as an artistic literary device. That would be my best guess. He was reporting his thoughts in a more dramatic way taking some poetic license to punch the story up a bit. He did a similar thing I believe when he claimed that Vasishtha came onto him last night! It lead to a perspective about the Vedas. I have my doubts that he saw himself in as mystical a light as he projected to us. Judith's book makes me believe he was more of a poetic devise guy than a I just talked to Mother Divine for real real guy. YMMV But my guess is that there are way more people who actually experience something dramatic than people who are outright lying through their teeth. I've had ones like it so I understand how compelling they are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: Since most people don't have this experience there are folks who fake this to take advantage of others. Too bad - leads to rampant cynicism. However there are indications wrt the experience that can speak to its validity, or not. Maharishi's account reads as genuine. Can you guess why? No, *not* because it is Maharishi... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Where have I heard this type of claim before...oh yeah: n 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success. So convenient how God supports a person's organizational ambitions like that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
