[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?

2006-09-22 Thread Jason Spock



   A famous Scientist once said, "Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof."Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:39:47 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?Yes, I remember seeing that show; and I do remember Cavett asking him to demonstrate levitating for him;But I also remember Maharishi avoiding the question,on whether he could levitate or not;I remember
 his response being more of:I am here to teach, not to levitate myself.Thinking back as best as I can remember:(it would be good to get the tape, somewhere)And Maharishi changed the subject; about levitating then and there-But Cavett persisted, and Maharishi seemed very annoyed with him.I remember Cavett even pulled on Maharishi's dohti, which was very disrespectful, or at least taken that way.I don't think Maharishi ever appeared on any American Television Media, since that show..R.G. 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?

2006-09-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
   A famous Scientist once said,

   Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof.
 
 Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:39:47 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?
 

   Yes, I remember seeing that show; and I do remember Cavett 
asking him to demonstrate levitating for him;
 But I also remember Maharishi avoiding the question,
 on whether he could levitate or not;




That's NOT how I remember it;  I specifically remember MMY 
responding to Cavett's direct question of Can you levitate?  with 
a yes  and THEN Cavett asked him to do it and MMY's response was 
something to the effect: It's not for me to do but for YOU to do.





 I remember his response being more of:
 I am here to teach, not to levitate myself.
 Thinking back as best as I can remember:
 (it would be good to get the tape, somewhere)
 And Maharishi changed the subject; about levitating then and there-
 But Cavett persisted, and Maharishi seemed very annoyed with him.
 I remember Cavett even pulled on Maharishi's dohti, which was very 
 disrespectful, or at least taken that way.
 I don't think Maharishi ever appeared on any American Television 
 Media, since that show..
 R.G.
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?

2006-09-22 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ 
 wrote:
 
   
A famous Scientist once said,
 
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof.
  
  Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote:
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:39:47 -
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?
  
 
Yes, I remember seeing that show; and I do remember Cavett 
 asking him to demonstrate levitating for him;
  But I also remember Maharishi avoiding the question,
  on whether he could levitate or not;
 
 
 
 
 That's NOT how I remember it;  I specifically remember MMY 
 responding to Cavett's direct question of Can you levitate?  with 
 a yes  and THEN Cavett asked him to do it and MMY's response was 
 something to the effect: It's not for me to do but for YOU to do.

That sounds very MMY--at the top of his game.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?

2006-09-22 Thread Robert Gimbel
 

 Yes, I remember seeing that show; and I do remember Cavett 
  asking him to demonstrate levitating for him;
   But I also remember Maharishi avoiding the question,
   on whether he could levitate or not;
  
That's NOT how I remember it;  I specifically remember MMY 
  responding to Cavett's direct question of Can you levitate?  
with 
  a yes  and THEN Cavett asked him to do it and MMY's response was 
  something to the effect: It's not for me to do but for YOU to do.
 
 That sounds very MMY--at the top of his game.


  Yes, it could have gone down that way;
  I just remember Cavett being annoyed that Maharishi wouldn't 
levitate for him...
  I heard John Lennon, wanted Maharishi to do the same, or something 
like that: walk on water, type of thing?...
 Anyway, it would be fun to see that interview again, if someone could 
find it..
R.G.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?

2006-09-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 
  Yes, I remember seeing that show; and I do remember 
Cavett 
   asking him to demonstrate levitating for him;
But I also remember Maharishi avoiding the question,
on whether he could levitate or not;
   
 That's NOT how I remember it;  I specifically remember MMY 
   responding to Cavett's direct question of Can you levitate?  
 with 
   a yes  and THEN Cavett asked him to do it and MMY's response 
was 
   something to the effect: It's not for me to do but for YOU to 
do.
  
  That sounds very MMY--at the top of his game.
 
 
   Yes, it could have gone down that way;
   I just remember Cavett being annoyed that Maharishi wouldn't 
 levitate for him...
   I heard John Lennon, wanted Maharishi to do the same, or 
something 
 like that: walk on water, type of thing?...
  Anyway, it would be fun to see that interview again, if someone 
could 
 find it..
 R.G.


If you live in Los Angeles or New York, you can go to the Museum of 
Radio and TV (sic?) and they will probably have it in their archives.

Dick Cavett also has it: he's put his most famous interviews on DVD 
as well as the TCM channel.  The other day I saw him interview Woody 
Allen for a whole 1 1/2 hours show from the early '70s (just before 
he did Everything you wanted to know about sex but were afraid to 
ask)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-07 Thread Robert Gimbel
 (snip)
  Thanks to both of you. Since reading Paul's post re Sattyanand 
and 
  Guru Dev's death, I have been thinking that the only point in a 
  discussion group with a supposed spiritual bent is to help one 
  another advance -- to share experiences, methods, teachings. 
It's 
  so easy to get sucked into sectarianism and fundamentalism and 
closed-
  minded bickering. -- I don't think it matters which/whose 
tradition 
  what comes from; it's all valuable to someone, sometime, 
somewhere. 
  
  The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty 
  separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism, 
paranoia 
  and a general drag on evolution. 
  
  Again, thanks to you (and many others) -- there is still hope.
 
 
 Such things only matter if you worry about them. I can't even 
remember how to say my 
 mantra out loud without a lot of thought, so its not an issue for 
me.

This is a good point; 
The perfect use of the mantra: that it becomes so effortless;
That just the 'intention' to meditate begins the process...
No trying to remember anything;
Just completely in the moment;
With the mere intention, begins transcendence...
R.G.


 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk 
right
 into the sea
 and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..

 The gospel according to t3rinity.

 Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being 
gospel
 and stop being fairy tales?

 My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
 and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
 having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
 is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
 fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a
 daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.

Probably true.  But I'm not interested in either one, so 
I wonder where that leaves me? :)  It's not that I'm not 
interested in the spiritual experiences (so-called) I'm 
just not interested in chattering about it--seems kind 
of pointless.

But others obviously are--so chatter away! :)
   
   Indeed, Sal. In fact, one of the distinctions made by
   some traditions between different two basic types of 
   spiritual seekers is that one type is more interested 
   in discussing/studying the experiences of others and
   and the other type is more interested/only interested 
   in having their own experiences.
   
   Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting 
   what type of experiences themselves different seekers 
   seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to 
   be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience, 
   and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo, 
   very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess 
   it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion; 
   some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his 
   attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and 
   others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking 
   on water and the miracles.
   
   Again, different strokes for different folks...
  
  






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?

2006-09-07 Thread Robert Gimbel
 (snip)
  on 9/5/06 11:49 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
   Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of 
 levitating.
   
  He has? I never heard that.
 
 
 
 Oh, yes. He most definitely did.
 
 It was on the Dick Cavett Show of the '70s.  He was on with Peter 
 McWilliams, Dr. Harold Blumenthal, and one other movement 
 person...maybe Charlie Donahue?  Can't remember the third person.
 
 Anyway, it was right after the flying was announced publicly and 
 Cavett didn't mince words.  He just straight-out asked him: can you 
 levitate.  And Maharishi responded yes.  Then Cavett asked him to 
 show him and Maharishi responded it's not for me to do but for you 
 to do (this is paraphrased as I am going on memory from almost 30 
 years ago).
 
 Does anyone else remember seeing this show and, if so, do you 
 remember it like I did?

Yes, I remember seeing that show; and I do remember Cavett asking him 
to demonstrate levitating for him;
But I also remember Maharishi avoiding the question,
on whether he could levitate or not;
I remember his response being more of:
I am here to teach, not to levitate myself.
Thinking back as best as I can remember:
(it would be good to get the tape, somewhere)
And Maharishi changed the subject; about levitating then and there-
But Cavett persisted, and Maharishi seemed very annoyed with him.
I remember Cavett even pulled on Maharishi's dohti, which was very 
disrespectful, or at least taken that way.
I don't think Maharishi ever appeared on any American Television 
Media, since that show..
R.G.
 

 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?

2006-09-07 Thread Robert Gimbel

  (snip)
   on 9/5/06 11:49 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:

Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of 
  levitating.

   He has? I never heard that.
  
 
  Oh, yes. He most definitely did.
  
  It was on the Dick Cavett Show of the '70s. and he said  can 
you 
  levitate.  And Maharishi responded yes.  Then Cavett asked him 
to 
  show him and Maharishi responded it's not for me to do but for 
you 
  to do (this is paraphrased as I am going on memory from almost 
30 
  years ago).
  
  Does anyone else remember seeing this show and, if so, do you 
  remember it like I did?

(Detail, details, details...)
In thinking back more, I recall that Cavett said to Maharishi, after 
asking him to levitate for him, and Maharishi refused, he said:
You mean you can't levitate, or you won't meditate, which is it?.
Whereas, Maharishi responded by saying he was here to teach the 
thing, not to levitate himself...
Then Cavett asked again: Does that mean you can't levitate, 
yourself?
Whereas Maharishi avoided the question, and Cavett was remarking how 
rested Maharishi appeared having just flown in to New York, from 
Japan, and began adjusting the mic which was clipped to Maharishi's 
Dhoti, and it became rather annoying to see Cavett manhandling 
Maharishi, with his mic and everything.
 I don't think MMY appeared again on any American TV show...after the 
Cavett experience...
R.G.



 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma/Maharishi Levitating?

2006-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
   (snip)
on 9/5/06 11:49 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
 Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of 
   levitating.
 
He has? I never heard that.
   
  
   Oh, yes. He most definitely did.
   
   It was on the Dick Cavett Show of the '70s. and he said  can 
 you 
   levitate.  And Maharishi responded yes.  Then Cavett asked him 
 to 
   show him and Maharishi responded it's not for me to do but for 
 you 
   to do (this is paraphrased as I am going on memory from almost 
 30 
   years ago).
   
   Does anyone else remember seeing this show and, if so, do you 
   remember it like I did?
 
 (Detail, details, details...)
 In thinking back more, I recall that Cavett said to Maharishi, after 
 asking him to levitate for him, and Maharishi refused, he said:
 You mean you can't levitate, or you won't meditate, which is it?.
 Whereas, Maharishi responded by saying he was here to teach the 
 thing, not to levitate himself...
 Then Cavett asked again: Does that mean you can't levitate, 
 yourself?
 Whereas Maharishi avoided the question, and Cavett was remarking how 
 rested Maharishi appeared having just flown in to New York, from 
 Japan, and began adjusting the mic which was clipped to Maharishi's 
 Dhoti, and it became rather annoying to see Cavett manhandling 
 Maharishi, with his mic and everything.
  I don't think MMY appeared again on any American TV show...after the 
 Cavett experience...
 R.G.



One thing to keep in mind about this and all other appearances of MMY on TV:

 He was there to advertise a product. Specifically Yogic FLying, but more 
generally, the 
spiritual regeneration of the planet. What matter a little hedging of the 
language in THAT 
context?

He had and has a blief about these things, and is quite willing to stretch the 
facts in order 
to attract attention to his cause, especially since he believes that eventually 
what he says 
WILL be reality, even if currently, levitation only means bouncing on one's 
buttocks.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
  'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right
  into the sea
  and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..
 
  The gospel according to t3rinity.
 
  Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel
  and stop being fairy tales?
 
  My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
  and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
  having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
  is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
  fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a
  daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.
 
 Probably true.  But I'm not interested in either one, so 
 I wonder where that leaves me? :)  It's not that I'm not 
 interested in the spiritual experiences (so-called) I'm 
 just not interested in chattering about it--seems kind 
 of pointless.
 
 But others obviously are--so chatter away! :)

Indeed, Sal. In fact, one of the distinctions made by
some traditions between different two basic types of 
spiritual seekers is that one type is more interested 
in discussing/studying the experiences of others and
and the other type is more interested/only interested 
in having their own experiences.

Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting 
what type of experiences themselves different seekers 
seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to 
be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience, 
and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo, 
very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess 
it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion; 
some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his 
attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and 
others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking 
on water and the miracles.

Again, different strokes for different folks...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting
 what type of experiences themselves different seekers
 seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to
 be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience,
 and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo,
 very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess
 it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion;
 some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his
 attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and
 others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking
 on water and the miracles.

Good distinctions.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting
  what type of experiences themselves different seekers
  seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to
  be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience,
  and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo,
  very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess
  it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion;
  some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his
  attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and
  others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking
  on water and the miracles.
 
 Good distinctions.

Which ones would you say Barry is more interested in?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 6, 2006, at 8:37 AM, authfriend wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting
 what type of experiences themselves different seekers
 seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to
 be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience,
 and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo,
 very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess
 it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion;
 some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his
 attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and
 others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking
 on water and the miracles.

 Good distinctions.

 Which ones would you say Barry is more interested in?

How would I know?  I'm not a mind reader.  Why don't you ask him 
yourself?

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 On Sep 6, 2006, at 8:37 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
 
  On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting
  what type of experiences themselves different seekers
  seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to
  be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience,
  and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo,
  very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess
  it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion;
  some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his
  attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and
  others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking
  on water and the miracles.
 
  Good distinctions.
 
  Which ones would you say Barry is more interested in?
 
 How would I know?  I'm not a mind reader.

I mean based on his posts here, of course.

 Why don't you ask him yourself?

Sure, Sal, sure.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right
   into the sea
   and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..
  
   The gospel according to t3rinity.
  
   Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel
   and stop being fairy tales?
  
   My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
   and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
   having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
   is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
   fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a
   daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.
  
  Probably true.  But I'm not interested in either one, so 
  I wonder where that leaves me? :)  It's not that I'm not 
  interested in the spiritual experiences (so-called) I'm 
  just not interested in chattering about it--seems kind 
  of pointless.
  
  But others obviously are--so chatter away! :)
 
 Indeed, Sal. In fact, one of the distinctions made by
 some traditions between different two basic types of 
 spiritual seekers is that one type is more interested 
 in discussing/studying the experiences of others and
 and the other type is more interested/only interested 
 in having their own experiences.
 
 Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting 
 what type of experiences themselves different seekers 
 seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to 
 be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience, 
 and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo, 
 very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess 
 it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion; 
 some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his 
 attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and 
 others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking 
 on water and the miracles.
 
 Again, different strokes for different folks...


Thanks to both of you. Since reading Paul's post re Sattyanand and 
Guru Dev's death, I have been thinking that the only point in a 
discussion group with a supposed spiritual bent is to help one 
another advance -- to share experiences, methods, teachings. It's 
so easy to get sucked into sectarianism and fundamentalism and closed-
minded bickering. -- I don't think it matters which/whose tradition 
what comes from; it's all valuable to someone, sometime, somewhere. 

The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty 
separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism, paranoia 
and a general drag on evolution. 

Again, thanks to you (and many others) -- there is still hope.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:56 PM, gerbal88 wrote:

 The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty
 separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism, paranoia
 and a general drag on evolution.

Other than that, though, it's just great, right? :)

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:56 PM, gerbal88 wrote:
 
  The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty
  separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism, 
paranoia
  and a general drag on evolution.
 
 Other than that, though, it's just great, right? :)
 
 Sal

You lost me, what's just great, TM? It's a fundamental beginner's 
technique. The TMO? surely not. From a perspective of having had 
training in traditions other than TM or Hindu, there are better 
teachings that would have worked with TM. I don't think Mahesh wanted 
TM to work as in cause anyone to become his rival or actually be 
enlightened. Remember what he said about Lillian Rosen, the AT 
lady. Taking no chances.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 6, 2006, at 5:14 PM, gerbal88 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:56 PM, gerbal88 wrote:

 The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty
 separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism,
 paranoia
 and a general drag on evolution.

 Other than that, though, it's just great, right? :)

 Sal

 You lost me, what's just great, TM?

It was just a joke.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2006, at 5:14 PM, gerbal88 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
 
  On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:56 PM, gerbal88 wrote:
 
  The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty
  separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism,
  paranoia
  and a general drag on evolution.
 
  Other than that, though, it's just great, right? :)
 
  Sal
 
  You lost me, what's just great, TM?
 
 It was just a joke.
 
 Sal


duh! sorry, just not with it today. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right
into the sea
and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..
   
The gospel according to t3rinity.
   
Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel
and stop being fairy tales?
   
My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a
daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.
   
   Probably true.  But I'm not interested in either one, so 
   I wonder where that leaves me? :)  It's not that I'm not 
   interested in the spiritual experiences (so-called) I'm 
   just not interested in chattering about it--seems kind 
   of pointless.
   
   But others obviously are--so chatter away! :)
  
  Indeed, Sal. In fact, one of the distinctions made by
  some traditions between different two basic types of 
  spiritual seekers is that one type is more interested 
  in discussing/studying the experiences of others and
  and the other type is more interested/only interested 
  in having their own experiences.
  
  Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting 
  what type of experiences themselves different seekers 
  seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to 
  be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience, 
  and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo, 
  very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess 
  it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion; 
  some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his 
  attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and 
  others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking 
  on water and the miracles.
  
  Again, different strokes for different folks...
 
 
 Thanks to both of you. Since reading Paul's post re Sattyanand and 
 Guru Dev's death, I have been thinking that the only point in a 
 discussion group with a supposed spiritual bent is to help one 
 another advance -- to share experiences, methods, teachings. It's 
 so easy to get sucked into sectarianism and fundamentalism and closed-
 minded bickering. -- I don't think it matters which/whose tradition 
 what comes from; it's all valuable to someone, sometime, somewhere. 
 
 The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty 
 separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism, paranoia 
 and a general drag on evolution. 
 
 Again, thanks to you (and many others) -- there is still hope.


Such things only matter if you worry about them. I can't even remember how to 
say my 
mantra out loud without a lot of thought, so its not an issue for me.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the
   temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one
of the
   early videos of Ammachi who visited her.
  
 There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the early
books about
 her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the group that was
 traveling with her.

Really, I haven't heard this before. I have one friend, who lives in
Pondy who meat her early on. He describes her as 'raw Shakti'. Here is
a photo I found on the web:
http://archives.amritapuri.org/matruvani/pic_mv/amma_with_mayiamma.jpg
Very difficult to find anything about her at all on the web (partly
because her name is written in many different ways), even though she
is quite famous in the south. She was always surrounded by dogs, which
she would feed with prasad people brought her. This is in a way
typical for Avadhutas, as the archetype Avadhuta, Dattatreya, is
always pictured with dogs. To get an idea what an Avadhuta is: Famous
Avadhutas would be Shirdi Sai Baba, who by his Hindu devotees was
looked upon as an Avatar of Dattatreya, and Swami Nityananda, Guru to
Mukthananda. She wouldn't say anything sensible, if someone would ask
her: 'May I stay' or 'should I go' she would simply repeat the
question. She has healed many people.

There is one very juicy story about her: Somebody went to Ammachi,a nd
complained about stomach pain. He had it since ten years. She asked
him if he had ever seen Mayi Ma. He said yes. She asked if it was abou
ten years ago, just before the pain started. He again confirmed.
Ammachi then asked him if he was offered Prasad by her, and again he
confirmed. She asked him if he actually took it, and he denied. Now,
you must understand, and my friend very grafically described it to me,
that she would feed the dogs with her own hands the prasad people
brought. She would actually put it into their mouths, and there would
be moisture on her hands from the dog. Then with the same hand she
would give prasad to another person, and as my friend pointed out 'You
had to take it'. When Ammachi heard that he had declined to take the
prasad more than 10 years ago, she told the man to go back to Mayi Ma
and take prasad, which he did, and then he was cured of the stomach
pain. Anybody having stomach pain here?

When I was in Kanyakumari, I also visited a place called
Marutvamallai, a mountain, were there is a samadhi of another saint
callaed Nayana, which also plays prominently in Ammachis biography, i
think he called her 'Kali'. The mountain is regarded as holy and has
caves. I met there an Indian Swami, friend of my friend in Pondy, who
frequently goes to Thiruvannamalia. I think his name is Thannu or
Thannupillai Swami. He is well educated and speaks english well. he
told me about Mayi Ma, and he knew Ammachi, when she was still quite
unknown. He said that she had a guru, also an Avadhuta, I think he is
the one who appears in the book by Nealu ('Road to Freedom, II'), who
comes in the village of Ammachi regularly, and hugs all the women, and
the men close all their wifes away, but Ammachi recognizes that he is
a true saint. I believe she retained the hugging habit by him. He is
not called a guru in the book, but simply a saint she met. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread t3rinity



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:   on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at thetemple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one of theearly videos of Ammachi who visited her. There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the early books about  her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the group that was  traveling with her.Just doing my usual 5-minute-Google-and-impress-Barry, I still found more photos of Mayiamma on a forum , with more cool stories, like this one: 'Mayi
Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the sea and
stay underwater at the sea bed years onend.. Then She would come out
bringing a lot of deep water weeds withHer. When She was asked why She
brought them out, She replied "I amcleaning the ocean"!' In the photos, Mayi Amma is to the left.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the
temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one
 of the
early videos of Ammachi who visited her.

Sorry don't want to be obtruisve, but here is a color photo of her (I
post it because its hard to find)
http://www.saisadguruvani.org/images/211.jpg

On the same page the another photo of another Avadhuta, Sri Anusaya Mata
http://www.saisadguruvani.org/images/222.jpg 

she lived until recently, the same friend had visited her and told me
about her. These are children of God, with basically zero mind.
Anusaya was the mother of Dattatreya.(first time I see anything about
her on the web)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the 
sea
 and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..

The gospel according to t3rinity.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the 
 sea
  and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..
 
 The gospel according to t3rinity.
 
 lurk

Yeah, right. Christianity has it all wrong. Jesus walked under the
water, not on it...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk 
  right into the sea and stay underwater at the sea bed 
  years onend..
 
 The gospel according to t3rinity.

Either that or the kind of writing that should 
carry a label that says, WARNING: Disengage
mind before reading.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk 
   right into the sea and stay underwater at the sea bed 
   years onend..
  
  The gospel according to t3rinity.
 
 Either that or the kind of writing that should 
 carry a label that says, WARNING: Disengage
 mind before reading.  :-)

Tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference that I
was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, you
are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an
opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. And now
go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board. 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma





on 9/5/06 6:44 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
 , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the
 temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one
 of the
 early videos of Ammachi who visited her.
 
 There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the early
 books about
 her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the group that was
 traveling with her.
 
 Really, I haven't heard this before. 

It was Ammachi who levitated, not Mayi Amma, although Im sure the latter was capable of it too, if she could stay underwater for years on end.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/5/06 6:44 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
   on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
   
   Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at 
the
   temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She 
is on one
   of the
   early videos of Ammachi who visited her.
   
   There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the 
early
   books about
   her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the 
group that was
   traveling with her.
   
   Really, I haven't heard this before.
  
 It was Ammachi who levitated, not Mayi Amma, although I¹m sure the 
latter
 was capable of it too, if she could stay underwater for years on 
end.


Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of levitating.

Rick tells us not that Ammachi was PURPORTED or ALLEGEDLY levitated 
but states as fact that Ammachi levitated.

Barry Wright tells us that on a regular basis his now-deceased guru 
levitated and that he, Barry Wright, has in fact seen it himself.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 5, 2006, at 8:02 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right into the
 sea
 and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..

 The gospel according to t3rinity.

Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel and stop 
being fairy tales?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma





on 9/5/06 11:49 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of levitating.

He has? I never heard that.

 Rick tells us not that Ammachi was PURPORTED or ALLEGEDLY levitated 
 but states as fact that Ammachi levitated.

About 20 people were there. That doesnt make it a fact. Just their account. Ill try to find and post the details.

 Barry Wright tells us that on a regular basis his now-deceased guru 
 levitated and that he, Barry Wright, has in fact seen it himself.
 
 Anybody else want to get on the bandwagon?

 Yeah. Laurel and Hardy are doing a levitation act in NYC.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference that I
 was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, you
 are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an
 opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. And now
 go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board.

t3rin,  you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in public.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
 
 tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference that I
  was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, you
  are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an
  opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. And now
  go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board.
 
 t3rin,  you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in public.

Is the public display of mean-spiritedness preferable to the public
display of thin skin?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/5/06 6:44 AM, t3rinity at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
   
   Did you know that at the side toward
 Viv. island, at the
   temple walls lived a great Avadhuta,
 Mayi Amma? She is on one
   of the
   early videos of Ammachi who visited
 her.
   
   There are some cool stories about that trip
 in one of the early
   books about
   her. She is purported to have levitated in
 front of the group that was
   traveling with her.
   
   Really, I haven't heard this before.
  
 It was Ammachi who levitated, not Mayi Amma,
 although I¹m sure the latter
 was capable of it too, if she could stay underwater
 for years on end.

Spartacus and I levitated together once in a past life
with Laurel and Hardy. It was interesting.




 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
  
  tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference 
that I
   was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, 
you
   are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an
   opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. 
And now
   go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board.
  
  t3rin,  you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in 
public.
 
 Is the public display of mean-spiritedness preferable to the public
 display of thin skin?

I wonder if Lurker thought the nasty little pile
of shit characterization was of him, rather than
of Barry.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
  steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
   
   tsa, tsa, still reading my posts? Lurker forgot the reference 
 that I
was simply quoting from a message board verbatim. But as it is, 
 you
are a nasty little pile of shit, who doesn't want to miss an
opportunity to dump on anyone. Can't repeat it often enough. 
 And now
go back to your True-Blue-Believer-drawing-board.
   
   t3rin,  you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in 
 public.
  
  Is the public display of mean-spiritedness preferable to
  the public display of thin skin?
 
 I wonder if Lurker thought the nasty little pile
 of shit characterization was of him, rather than
 of Barry.

This particular thread is so bizarre to me, I won't even speculate.
From my perspective, Michael posted some interesting links, and Lurk
and Barry then used it has an opportunity to harsh all over Michael.
The snippet of Michael's post that Lurk quoted was obviously a quote
from someone else on a different message board, so why try to
attribute it as the gospel according to t3rinity? What state of mind
is behind that? 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/5/06 11:49 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of 
levitating.
  
 He has? I never heard that.



Oh, yes. He most definitely did.

It was on the Dick Cavett Show of the '70s.  He was on with Peter 
McWilliams, Dr. Harold Blumenthal, and one other movement 
person...maybe Charlie Donahue?  Can't remember the third person.

Anyway, it was right after the flying was announced publicly and 
Cavett didn't mince words.  He just straight-out asked him: can you 
levitate.  And Maharishi responded yes.  Then Cavett asked him to 
show him and Maharishi responded it's not for me to do but for you 
to do (this is paraphrased as I am going on memory from almost 30 
years ago).

Does anyone else remember seeing this show and, if so, do you 
remember it like I did?



  
   Rick tells us not that Ammachi was PURPORTED or ALLEGEDLY 
levitated
   but states as fact that Ammachi levitated.
  
 About 20 people were there. That doesn¹t make it a fact. Just 
their account.
 I¹ll try to find and post the details.
  
   Barry Wright tells us that on a regular basis his now-
deceased guru
   levitated and that he, Barry Wright, has in fact seen it 
himself.
   
   Anybody else want to get on the bandwagon?
  
  Yeah. Laurel and Hardy are doing a levitation act in NYC.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/5/06 11:49 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Maharishi has publicly claimed that he is capable of levitating.
  
 He has? I never heard that.

On one of the talk shows he's supposed to have said I could do it if I cared 
to or words to 
that effect.

  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread lurkernomore20002000

lurk: 
   t3rin,  you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in 
 public.
  
  Alex:
Is the public display of mean-spiritedness preferable to the public
  display of thin skin?
 
 judy:
I wonder if Lurker thought the nasty little pile
 of shit characterization was of him, rather than
 of Barry.

I guess I did.  I confess to being startled by T3rin ferocity of 
attack towards someone who rarely converses with him.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread lurkernomore20002000

 lurk:
 t3rin,  you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in public.
 
 Alex:
Is the public display of mean-spiritedness preferable to the public
 display of thin skin?

I must confess.  When I read T3rin strong words, I thought of you 
Alex, and how you let this sort of thing just slide off.  T3rin sort 
of got stuck in the goo.

lurk

I make a low bow, and remove my hat in the direction of T3rin.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This particular thread is so bizarre to me, I won't even speculate.
 From my perspective, Michael posted some interesting links, and Lurk
 and Barry then used it has an opportunity to harsh all over Michael.
 The snippet of Michael's post that Lurk quoted was obviously a quote
 from someone else on a different message board, so why try to
 attribute it as the gospel according to t3rinity? What state of 
mind
 is behind that?

A very confused state indeed. I have been duly chastened.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  judy:
 I wonder if Lurker thought the nasty little pile
  of shit characterization was of him, rather than
  of Barry.
 
 I guess I did.  I confess to being startled by T3rin ferocity of 
 attack towards someone who rarely converses with him.
 
 lurk

Sorry, Lurk for the confusion, this was in now way directed to you. I
understood your comment to be humourous and lighthearted. In fact I
tried to respond to it in an appropriate way (by saying Christianity
got it all wrong). I got indeed unnerved by Barrys trying to use this
for one of his dumping remarks. He should know better than talking to
the dead (he just had told me before that I am dead to him). So mine
was a reminder to keep to his promise. I am also somewhat opposed to
be easily dismissed from this forum by him.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Sep 5, 2006, at 8:02 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
   'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right 
   into the sea
   and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..
 
  The gospel according to t3rinity.
 
 Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel  
 and stop being fairy tales?

My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a 
daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
  On Sep 5, 2006, at 8:02 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right 
into the sea
and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..
  
   The gospel according to t3rinity.
  
  Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel  
  and stop being fairy tales?
 
 My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
 and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
 having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
 is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
 fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a 
 daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.

And my experience is, that its totally unrelated.
But my experience is, the more true, strong and real ones experiences
are, the less one is likely to judge or measure the experiences of
others, and the more one is given to judge other people, the less its
likely one has a life for oneself.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 lurk: 
t3rin,  you really should'nt display your (thin) epidermis in 
  public.
   
   Alex:
 Is the public display of mean-spiritedness preferable to the public
   display of thin skin?
  
  judy:
 I wonder if Lurker thought the nasty little pile
  of shit characterization was of him, rather than
  of Barry.
 
 I guess I did.  I confess to being startled by T3rin ferocity of 
 attack towards someone who rarely converses with him.

Read their recent exchange, and you'll see why.  Barry
at his absolute rock-bottom mean-spirited worst, and
boy, that's saying something.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It was Ammachi who levitated, not Mayi Amma, although I¹m sure the
latter
 was capable of it too, if she could stay underwater for years on end.

Thanks, Rick, interesting. All these stories come up while diving in
one subject. No idea though, how long she could really stay under
water, and how old she really was. There is a story on the Ammachi
website stating that she was surrounded by about 50 dogs, and they
wouldn't take any food or dring any water, unless given by her. True
devotion!







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-05 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 5, 2006, at 6:45 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Sep 5, 2006, at 8:02 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:


 'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right
 into the sea
 and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..

 The gospel according to t3rinity.

 Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel
 and stop being fairy tales?

 My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
 and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
 having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
 is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
 fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a
 daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.

Probably true.  But I'm not interested in either one, so I wonder where 
that leaves me? :)  It's not that I'm not interested in the spiritual 
experiences (so-called) I'm just not interested in chattering about 
it--seems kind of pointless.

But others obviously are--so chatter away! :)

Sal



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