[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
The metaphor he used has an obvious meaning. To try to connect this with a disgusting slur on women is such a stretch that I am amazed you could believe it. But this kind of connection seems completely crazy to me. (That is not an underhanded reference to the antiquated diagnosis of hysteria in women although I am as proficient in the cure as the quack doctors of that era. Special credit for anyone who can tell me what the cure was. I'm sure you know Judy.) What is so impossible about seeing that the pig in lipstick kerfuffle is about Palin, when Obama's audience absolutely got it? The reason they whooped and hollered grandly was not because he slammed McCain. That intensity of response could only have happened because his little in joke was about Palin. His sneaky insults have become an art form. No, Hillary supporters are not crazy or hysterics. And I hope you are not insinuating that Judy, in not so veiled code, needs to get laid. That would be about as helpful as your cure for the ladies who have probably been faking it. There are too many quacks waddling around here. If I need help, I'll see http://tinyurl.com/6nvl5b Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. Dude, you are being the sexist, disgusting, pig here. I'm guessing you haven't had much actual contact with the opposite sex if that is your immediate association. In the first place, raunchydog isn't a dude, she's a dame. In the second place, you're fortunate if you've never encountered the insulting association of smelly old fish with a woman. Sorry to be clinical, but it's a reference to menstrual blood, which does smell a little fishy as it's drying. It's a slightly elderly association from pre-Tampax days when the odor was much more of a problem for menstruating women. No older woman would fail to recognize that association, and older women, of course, are Hillary's base, those who may be most tempted to vote for McCain because of Palin. Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
snip What is so impossible about seeing that the pig in lipstick kerfuffle is about Palin, when Obama's audience absolutely got it? The line brings laughs every time it has been used including when McCain used it when speaking about Hillary. It is a zinger line that gets laughs just as Palin's line did, folksy wisdom, like a Mark Twain one-liner always brings laughs. You cannot detect from the laughter what the audience was thinking. Calling someone a pig is a stupid insult but using it as a way to illustrate the McCain change bullshittery was clever and was what Obama obviously meant. I can understand the rumor mongers trying to manufacture controversy out of this but more thoughtful people like Judy and yourself joining in the fray makes we really wonder, WTF? The reason they whooped and hollered grandly was not because he slammed McCain. Psychic hotline is closed. The line got a laugh. It was meant to. That is what we know. That intensity of response could only have happened because his little in joke was about Palin. It always gets a laugh. Even FOx news has backed off this absurd premise. His sneaky insults have become an art form. As has your reading in hidden meanings. No, Hillary supporters are not crazy or hysterics. And I hope you are not insinuating that Judy, in not so veiled code, needs to get laid. At least your are consistent. Everything has a veiled meaning that you can read. Got it. That would be about as helpful as your cure for the ladies who have probably been faking it. True colors showing. There are too many quacks waddling around here. If I need help, I'll see http://tinyurl.com/6nvl5b Lot of bluff and bluster in our posts. I'm still trying to figure out if the tone is all tongue in cheek of if you are just a caustic personality like Richard. I'll keep reading and time will tell. Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. Dude, you are being the sexist, disgusting, pig here. I'm guessing you haven't had much actual contact with the opposite sex if that is your immediate association. In the first place, raunchydog isn't a dude, she's a dame. In the second place, you're fortunate if you've never encountered the insulting association of smelly old fish with a woman. Sorry to be clinical, but it's a reference to menstrual blood, which does smell a little fishy as it's drying. It's a slightly elderly association from pre-Tampax days when the odor was much more of a problem for menstruating women. No older woman would fail to recognize that association, and older women, of course, are Hillary's base, those who may be most tempted to vote for McCain because of Palin. Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying. The metaphor he used has an obvious meaning. To try to connect this with a disgusting slur on women is such a stretch that I am amazed you could believe it. I can understand the right wing using it as a cynical tactic, but you surprise me here. As I said in my other post, there are plenty of things to go after Obama for. But this kind of connection seems completely crazy to me. I'm not as sure about the fish reference as I am about the lipstick one, but I really wouldn't put it past him. Both metaphors have an obvious meaning. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether he picked metaphors with obvious meanings to disguise less-obvious nasty swipes at Palin in order to give himself plausible deniability. And as I said, these are far from the only two instances from him of this sort of thing; it appears to be a habit. It's symptomatic of a broader contempt for women, especially working-class women, which he's shown in his refusal to reach out to Clinton's supporters, dismissing them by saying they'll get over it and vote for him because there's nowhere else for them to go. And if they don't, that's OK because he doesn't need their votes.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig It's symptomatic of a broader contempt for women, especially working-class women, You mean like the women he worked with as a community organizer on the South side of Chicago instead of taking a high-paying job?
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
It's symptomatic of a broader contempt for women, especially working-class women, which he's shown in his refusal to reach out to Clinton's supporters, Contempt for woman? Wow! I think you are way off here Judy. But that is the great thing about political discussions, we all have our POV. I would buy the fact that he doesn't like Hillary and vise versa, and I'm sure they both have pretty good reasons for feeling that way. Personally I think this kind of extreme criticism is as distracting to examining his true faults as all the sexist discussion about Palin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying. The metaphor he used has an obvious meaning. To try to connect this with a disgusting slur on women is such a stretch that I am amazed you could believe it. I can understand the right wing using it as a cynical tactic, but you surprise me here. As I said in my other post, there are plenty of things to go after Obama for. But this kind of connection seems completely crazy to me. I'm not as sure about the fish reference as I am about the lipstick one, but I really wouldn't put it past him. Both metaphors have an obvious meaning. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether he picked metaphors with obvious meanings to disguise less-obvious nasty swipes at Palin in order to give himself plausible deniability. And as I said, these are far from the only two instances from him of this sort of thing; it appears to be a habit. It's symptomatic of a broader contempt for women, especially working-class women, which he's shown in his refusal to reach out to Clinton's supporters, dismissing them by saying they'll get over it and vote for him because there's nowhere else for them to go. And if they don't, that's OK because he doesn't need their votes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The issue is whether he picked metaphors with obvious meanings to disguise less-obvious nasty swipes at Palin in order to give himself plausible deniability. And as I said, these are far from the only two instances from him of this sort of thing; it appears to be a habit. I saw this in the comments at The Confluence from riverdaughter http://tinyurl.com/6hcz8y enjoy Brush left shoulder Brush right shoulder Middle finger to left temple Middle finger to right temple Look down your nose to the left Look down your nose to the right Jump and quarter turn HEYYY BARACKARENA Music: http://tinyurl.com/2xoenu
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig It's symptomatic of a broader contempt for women, especially working-class women, You mean like the women he worked with as a community organizer on the South side of Chicago instead of taking a high-paying job? Non sequitur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
It's symptomatic of a broader contempt for women, especially working-class women, You mean like the women he worked with as a community organizer on the South side of Chicago instead of taking a high-paying job? Non sequitur. I think it is part of a long list of evidence against your claim. It includes his being raised by a single mom who he speaks of adoringly, married to a strong independent woman who relates to him as an equal during interviews, and his doting relationship with his two daughters. BTW if you read about the Mcain political culture you have much more ammo for a male dominant world which is why his pick came as such a surprise. Bush seemed to be much more comfortable working with women as his close relationship with Condi and Karen Hughes showed. So other than this dubious metaphor interpretation, what is your evidence that Obama has contempt for women?
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's symptomatic of a broader contempt for women, especially working-class women, You mean like the women he worked with as a community organizer on the South side of Chicago instead of taking a high-paying job? Non sequitur. I think it is part of a long list of evidence against your claim. No, it isn't; it has nothing to do with it and certainly isn't evidence *against* it. How he *treated* the women he worked with, how he talked about them to his friends, might constitute evidence pro or con, but we don't know any of that. If you're going to be a community organizer, you don't have a choice about whether to work with women. And the high-paying job he could have had is a complete red herring in this context. It's apples and kiwi fruit. It includes his being raised by a single mom who he speaks of adoringly, married to a strong independent woman who relates to him as an equal during interviews, and his doting relationship with his two daughters. None of that precludes his having contempt for women as a whole, Curtis. I'm not a sexist; some of my best friends are women. Do you believe he thinks of his mother and Michelle and his daughters as typical women, or are they special in some sense? None of them are working-class, either. His mother and Michelle were highly educated, and his daughters go to a private school. BTW if you read about the Mcain political culture you have much more ammo for a male dominant world It's my understanding that he pays his female staff members the same as his male staff members, whereas Obama's female staffers are paid less than the men. I also understand McCain has a higher proportion of women on his staff than Obama does. which is why his pick came as such a surprise. Well, sure, but he *did* pick a woman. Obviously he didn't vet her thoroughly enough, but he must have known she was a pistol, and it didn't threaten him. There were several women Obama could have picked other than Hillary, but he chose a man. Bush seemed to be much more comfortable working with women as his close relationship with Condi and Karen Hughes showed. I haven't seen anything to indicate McCain doesn't get along well with his female staffers and advisers. And his campaign, especially with his pick of Palin, has no hesitation about asking for women's votes. So other than this dubious metaphor interpretation, what is your evidence that Obama has contempt for women? Go back and read my post, Curtis. I explained it there. Somehow you managed not to see it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying. The metaphor he used has an obvious meaning. To try to connect this with a disgusting slur on women is such a stretch that I am amazed you could believe it. I can understand the right wing using it as a cynical tactic, but you surprise me here. As I said in my other post, there are plenty of things to go after Obama for. But this kind of connection seems completely crazy to me. I'm not as sure about the fish reference as I am about the lipstick one, but I really wouldn't put it past him. Both metaphors have an obvious meaning. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether he picked metaphors with obvious meanings to disguise less-obvious nasty swipes at Palin in order to give himself plausible deniability. And as I said, these are far from the only two instances from him of this sort of thing; it appears to be a habit. It's symptomatic of a broader contempt for women, especially working-class women, which he's shown in his refusal to reach out to Clinton's supporters, dismissing them by saying they'll get over it and vote for him because there's nowhere else for them to go. And if they don't, that's OK because he doesn't need their votes. How many of CLinton's supporters are working class women? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip It's symptomatic of a broader contempt for women, especially working-class women, which he's shown in his refusal to reach out to Clinton's supporters, dismissing them by saying they'll get over it and vote for him because there's nowhere else for them to go. And if they don't, that's OK because he doesn't need their votes. How many of CLinton's supporters are working class women? They're her base, Lawson.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's my understanding that he pays his female staff members the same as his male staff members, whereas Obama's female staffers are paid less than the men. I also understand McCain has a higher proportion of women on his staff than Obama does. Correction/amplification: McCain's female staffers are paid *more* than his male staffers. (The above refers to Obama's and McCain's Senate staffs, not their campaign staffs, BTW.) http://www.ocregister.com/articles/obama-women-mccain-2154423-pay-equal http://tinyurl.com/67zus8
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
I'm going to follow up on this from Wednesday because I think it's important, although by now the incident itself it's old news. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Nobody said that anytime it's referenced it's about her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this* time it was about her. This insult, and the middle finger thing are out of character for the guy. Curtis, that's just the point, they *aren't* out of character. That's the real Obama. He has a very nasty vindictive streak, particularly when it comes to women. Or, let's assume the pig reference wasn't intentional. If not, then it was supremely STOOOPID for him not to realize a whole lot of people who watched Palin's speech at the convention would instantly make that association (including his audience), and that it would give McCain's campaign an excuse to raise a ruckus and distract Obama from the actual issues of the campaign. So you pays your money and you takes your choice: which is more out of character for him, vindictiveness, or stupidity? Calling her a pig? What possible purpose would that serve? It's an insult, obviously, a bit of return fire for her nasty remarks about him, just as the cheek-scratch was return fire for some things Hillary had said about him (not as nasty, but pointed enough to get under his skin). Again, his audience got it instantly. More importantly it is out of character for Obama He'd sure like for you to think so. But these two instances aren't the only ones by any means. I can give you a whole list if you're interested. and serves no purpose, except as a tool for people who want to try to make Sara out to be a martyr. Nobody's making Palin out to be a martyr. She's impervious to that kind of thing. That's a thought-stopper designed to distract attention from Obama's behavior. This is a tool Obama himself has handed to those who think his saintly image is fraudulent. It's yet another example of what his supporters and the media (not that there's much difference) have relied heavily on throughout the entire campaign and Obama has failed to criticize. I guess seeing how that strategy worked for the Hillary camp doesn't serve as a cautionary tale. Actually it worked quite well for Hillary. It's pretty much accepted now, for example, that she won in New Hampshire, when she hadn't been expected to, because women were pissed off at how she'd been treated. But notice that Hillary herself, like Palin, was immune to all the sexism and didn't even mention it publicly until very late in the campaign. Nor did she ever try to make the case that sexism had cost her the primary.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. Dude, you are being the sexist, disgusting, pig here. I'm guessing you haven't had much actual contact with the opposite sex if that is your immediate association. In the first place, raunchydog isn't a dude, she's a dame. In the second place, you're fortunate if you've never encountered the insulting association of smelly old fish with a woman. Sorry to be clinical, but it's a reference to menstrual blood, which does smell a little fishy as it's drying. It's a slightly elderly association from pre-Tampax days when the odor was much more of a problem for menstruating women. No older woman would fail to recognize that association, and older women, of course, are Hillary's base, those who may be most tempted to vote for McCain because of Palin. Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip And FWIW, it's not just the conservative media that's calling him on it. Feminist lefties (male and female) are as well. It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. We look like morons in the eyes of the world. How about moving on to the real issues? Well, first, I didn't bring it up; I'm just responding to those who thought it was important enough to try to rebut it. And second, some of us feel that sexism and misogyny are very real issues (especially when they're exhibited by a presidential candidate). Obviously your mileage varies. So how's about you say something about what you consider real issues instead of complaining that nobody's discussing them? (As an aside, have you ever noticed how small the proportion of your substantive posts is to those gratuitously bashing me? Count 'em up sometime.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
I think you have some legitimate concerns about Obama Judy, but I am surprised to see you go down this particular rabbit hole about him. I don't agree that using the lipstick on a pig line was either stupid or revealing. I don't suppose he spends a lot of time thinking about Sara Palin, so it wasn't front and center for him to worry about. It is an example of the worst of politics IMO and as I said before it doesn't even make any sense. It is a vain attempt to stir the pot of sympathy for a not ready for primetime VP choice. Palin will need it as her recent interview revealed. She might even be a great governor for all I know, but they are pushing her too far up the political ladder too fast and the hype is unraveling. Did you see Obama on Oreilly? I thought that was helpful in understanding him. Wait till he gets a hold of Palin, if her handlers let her. Your point about Hillary is probably right. But bringing her up in this context just underlines what a stupid choice McCain made. If I was a woman I would be totally pissed that this historic moment has been squandered. (Actually if I had lady parts I would never leave my house, I would be too busy molesting myself.) (did I say that last bit out loud?) Obama wouldn't use a third grade insult which would just backfire anyway. He can just pay attention to his own campaign and let her self destruct on her own. I don't get the petty vibe you seem to from him. OTOH the classy move would have been for Palin to step up and say that she knows he didn't mean it that way. Instead the campaign fired off a direct lie in their ad saying Obama speaking about Sara Palin when everything they cut out was about John McCain. He dropped a few more points in my respect for authorizing that slimy tactic from the Rove playbook. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to follow up on this from Wednesday because I think it's important, although by now the incident itself it's old news. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Nobody said that anytime it's referenced it's about her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this* time it was about her. This insult, and the middle finger thing are out of character for the guy. Curtis, that's just the point, they *aren't* out of character. That's the real Obama. He has a very nasty vindictive streak, particularly when it comes to women. Or, let's assume the pig reference wasn't intentional. If not, then it was supremely STOOOPID for him not to realize a whole lot of people who watched Palin's speech at the convention would instantly make that association (including his audience), and that it would give McCain's campaign an excuse to raise a ruckus and distract Obama from the actual issues of the campaign. So you pays your money and you takes your choice: which is more out of character for him, vindictiveness, or stupidity? Calling her a pig? What possible purpose would that serve? It's an insult, obviously, a bit of return fire for her nasty remarks about him, just as the cheek-scratch was return fire for some things Hillary had said about him (not as nasty, but pointed enough to get under his skin). Again, his audience got it instantly. More importantly it is out of character for Obama He'd sure like for you to think so. But these two instances aren't the only ones by any means. I can give you a whole list if you're interested. and serves no purpose, except as a tool for people who want to try to make Sara out to be a martyr. Nobody's making Palin out to be a martyr. She's impervious to that kind of thing. That's a thought-stopper designed to distract attention from Obama's behavior. This is a tool Obama himself has handed to those who think his saintly image is fraudulent. It's yet another example of what his supporters and the media (not that there's much difference) have relied heavily on throughout the entire campaign and Obama has failed to criticize. I guess seeing how that strategy worked for the Hillary camp doesn't serve as a cautionary tale. Actually it worked quite well for Hillary. It's pretty much accepted now, for example, that she won in New Hampshire, when she hadn't been expected to, because women were pissed off at how she'd been treated. But notice that Hillary herself, like Palin, was immune to all the sexism and didn't even mention it publicly until very late in the campaign. Nor did she ever try to make the case that sexism had cost her the primary.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you have some legitimate concerns about Obama Judy, but I am surprised to see you go down this particular rabbit hole about him. I don't agree that using the lipstick on a pig line was either stupid or revealing. I don't suppose he spends a lot of time thinking about Sara Palin, so it wasn't front and center for him to worry about. It is an example of the worst of politics IMO and as I said before it doesn't even make any sense. It is a vain attempt to stir the pot of sympathy for a not ready for primetime VP choice. Palin will need it as her recent interview revealed. She might even be a great governor for all I know, but they are pushing her too far up the political ladder too fast and the hype is unraveling. Did you see Obama on Oreilly? I thought that was helpful in understanding him. Wait till he gets a hold of Palin, if her handlers let her. Your point about Hillary is probably right. But bringing her up in this context just underlines what a stupid choice McCain made. If I was a woman I would be totally pissed that this historic moment has been squandered. (Actually if I had lady parts I would never leave my house, I would be too busy molesting myself.) (did I say that last bit out loud?) Obama wouldn't use a third grade insult which would just backfire anyway. He can just pay attention to his own campaign and let her self destruct on her own. I don't get the petty vibe you seem to from him. OTOH the classy move would have been for Palin to step up and say that she knows he didn't mean it that way. Instead the campaign fired off a direct lie in their ad saying Obama speaking about Sara Palin when everything they cut out was about John McCain. He dropped a few more points in my respect for authorizing that slimy tactic from the Rove playbook. I was surprised today to see 4-5 examples of the MSM standing up to the McCain lies (and some Obama distortions -- which pale in comparison), Below is start of front page article in NYT. Gibbons, view, PBS Newshour -- the press is actually pushing back -- in fairly articulated and detailed terms. Harsh advertisements and negative attacks are a staple of presidential campaigns, but Senator John McCain has drawn an avalanche of criticism this week from Democrats, independent groups and even some Republicans for regularly stretching the truth in attacking Senator Barack Obama's record and positions. Mr. Obama has also been accused of distortions, but this week Mr. McCain has found himself under particularly heavy fire for a pair of headline-grabbing attacks. First the McCain campaign twisted Mr. Obama's words to suggest that he had compared Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, to a pig after Mr. Obama said, in questioning Mr. McCain's claim to be the change agent in the race, You can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig. (Mr. McCain once used the same expression to describe Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's health plan.) Then he falsely claimed that Mr. Obama supported comprehensive sex education for kindergartners (he supported teaching them to be alert for inappropriate advances from adults). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm going to follow up on this from Wednesday because I think it's important, although by now the incident itself it's old news. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Nobody said that anytime it's referenced it's about her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this* time it was about her. This insult, and the middle finger thing are out of character for the guy. Curtis, that's just the point, they *aren't* out of character. That's the real Obama. He has a very nasty vindictive streak, particularly when it comes to women. Or, let's assume the pig reference wasn't intentional. If not, then it was supremely STOOOPID for him not to realize a whole lot of people who watched Palin's speech at the convention would instantly make that association (including his audience), and that it would give McCain's campaign an excuse to raise a ruckus and distract Obama from the actual issues of the campaign. So you pays your money and you takes your choice: which is more out of character for him, vindictiveness, or stupidity? Calling her a pig? What possible purpose would that serve? It's an insult, obviously, a bit of return fire for her nasty remarks about him, just as the cheek-scratch was return fire for some things Hillary had said about him (not as nasty, but pointed enough to get under his skin). Again, his audience got it instantly. More importantly it is out of character for Obama He'd sure like for
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying. The metaphor he used has an obvious meaning. To try to connect this with a disgusting slur on women is such a stretch that I am amazed you could believe it. I can understand the right wing using it as a cynical tactic, but you surprise me here. As I said in my other post, there are plenty of things to go after Obama for. But this kind of connection seems completely crazy to me. (That is not an underhanded reference to the antiquated diagnosis of hysteria in women although I am as proficient in the cure as the quack doctors of that era. Special credit for anyone who can tell me what the cure was. I'm sure you know Judy.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. Dude, you are being the sexist, disgusting, pig here. I'm guessing you haven't had much actual contact with the opposite sex if that is your immediate association. In the first place, raunchydog isn't a dude, she's a dame. In the second place, you're fortunate if you've never encountered the insulting association of smelly old fish with a woman. Sorry to be clinical, but it's a reference to menstrual blood, which does smell a little fishy as it's drying. It's a slightly elderly association from pre-Tampax days when the odor was much more of a problem for menstruating women. No older woman would fail to recognize that association, and older women, of course, are Hillary's base, those who may be most tempted to vote for McCain because of Palin. Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this kind of connection seems completely crazy to me. (That is not an underhanded reference to the antiquated diagnosis of hysteria in women although I am as proficient in the cure as the quack doctors of that era. Special credit for anyone who can tell me what the cure was. I'm sure you know Judy.) The Curtis Blues Health Plan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. Dude, you are being the sexist, disgusting, pig here. I'm guessing you haven't had much actual contact with the opposite sex if that is your immediate association. In the first place, raunchydog isn't a dude, she's a dame. In the second place, you're fortunate if you've never encountered the insulting association of smelly old fish with a woman. Sorry to be clinical, but it's a reference to menstrual blood, which does smell a little fishy as it's drying. It's a slightly elderly association from pre-Tampax days when the odor was much more of a problem for menstruating women. No older woman would fail to recognize that association, and older women, of course, are Hillary's base, those who may be most tempted to vote for McCain because of Palin. Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
The Curtis Blues Health Plan. Today is the day they give babies away, with a half a pound of tea. So if you know any ladies who want any babies, just send them around to me! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: But this kind of connection seems completely crazy to me. (That is not an underhanded reference to the antiquated diagnosis of hysteria in women although I am as proficient in the cure as the quack doctors of that era. Special credit for anyone who can tell me what the cure was. I'm sure you know Judy.) The Curtis Blues Health Plan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. Dude, you are being the sexist, disgusting, pig here. I'm guessing you haven't had much actual contact with the opposite sex if that is your immediate association. In the first place, raunchydog isn't a dude, she's a dame. In the second place, you're fortunate if you've never encountered the insulting association of smelly old fish with a woman. Sorry to be clinical, but it's a reference to menstrual blood, which does smell a little fishy as it's drying. It's a slightly elderly association from pre-Tampax days when the odor was much more of a problem for menstruating women. No older woman would fail to recognize that association, and older women, of course, are Hillary's base, those who may be most tempted to vote for McCain because of Palin. Again, I strongly suspect Obama knew exactly what he was saying.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/5f2o9a Hoo-Boy! Barack really stepped into some serious pit-bull doodoo this time. His sexist crap has backfired and deservedly so. I had my fill of spineless whiners sniveling about -ism in the primary race. Waah sexism! Waah racism! Is it too much to ask for some focus on the issues?
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I had my fill of spineless whiners sniveling about -ism in the primary race. Waah sexism! Waah racism! Is it too much to ask for some focus on the issues? This is so right on. I don't know all the reasons, maybe the 24 hour news cycle or the tabloidization/ reality TV-ization of the US, but issue idscussions and policy debates are difficult to come by. Considering what is at stake I consider this a very bad thing. Excellent point Frosty! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, frosty.mage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/5f2o9a Hoo-Boy! Barack really stepped into some serious pit-bull doodoo this time. His sexist crap has backfired and deservedly so. I had my fill of spineless whiners sniveling about -ism in the primary race. Waah sexism! Waah racism! Is it too much to ask for some focus on the issues?
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Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? Well, excse me. Let's hear a round of cheers for Obama, he sure knows how to get women to vote for him. I guess you and the blogger boyz think being a sexist pig is a way to woo a woman. Good luck with that, Charlie. Obama lost 21 points from women voters in the last ten days and with this type of piggy behavior, I'm sure he will lose more. Duffus! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had my fill of spineless whiners sniveling about -ism in the primary race. Waah sexism! Waah racism! Is it too much to ask for some focus on the issues? This is so right on. I don't know all the reasons, maybe the 24 hour news cycle or the tabloidization/ reality TV-ization of the US, but issue idscussions and policy debates are difficult to come by. Considering what is at stake I consider this a very bad thing. Excellent point Frosty! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, frosty.mage no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/5f2o9a Hoo-Boy! Barack really stepped into some serious pit-bull doodoo this time. His sexist crap has backfired and deservedly so. I had my fill of spineless whiners sniveling about -ism in the primary race. Waah sexism! Waah racism! Is it too much to ask for some focus on the issues?
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? How very Fox news of you. Fortunately for those of us who can read, your (and the conservative media's) attempt to twist what he said into a schoolyard insult is obvious. Sara does not own the rights to the term lipstick and anytime it is referenced it isn't about her. For example if I lend you my Lipstick Lesbians in Rio DVD, don't expect to see Sara. (or much of Rio for that matter) Well, excse me. No, I am not excusing anyone who helps in the Republican or Democratic gotcha. This is lowbrow shit and doesn't help the debate on any level. Let's hear a round of cheers for Obama, he sure knows how to get women to vote for him. I guess you and the blogger boyz think being a sexist pig is a way to woo a woman. Good luck with that, Charlie. Obama lost 21 points from women voters in the last ten days and with this type of piggy behavior, I'm sure he will lose more. Duffus! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I had my fill of spineless whiners sniveling about -ism in the primary race. Waah sexism! Waah racism! Is it too much to ask for some focus on the issues? This is so right on. I don't know all the reasons, maybe the 24 hour news cycle or the tabloidization/ reality TV-ization of the US, but issue idscussions and policy debates are difficult to come by. Considering what is at stake I consider this a very bad thing. Excellent point Frosty! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, frosty.mage no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/5f2o9a Hoo-Boy! Barack really stepped into some serious pit-bull doodoo this time. His sexist crap has backfired and deservedly so. I had my fill of spineless whiners sniveling about -ism in the primary race. Waah sexism! Waah racism! Is it too much to ask for some focus on the issues?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? Well, excse me. Let's hear a round of cheers for Obama, he sure knows how to get women to vote for him. I guess you and the blogger boyz think being a sexist pig is a way to woo a woman. Good luck with that, Charlie. Obama lost 21 points from women voters in the last ten days and with this type of piggy behavior, I'm sure he will lose more. Duffus! It's a figure of speech and he wasn't referring to Palin. McCain used the same expression with reference to Hillary's health care plan.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/5f2o9a Hoo-Boy! Barack really stepped into some serious pit-bull doodoo this time. His sexist crap has backfired and deservedly so. Obama was clearly referring to McCain's and Palin's obvious bullshit claims of being agents of change - NOT personally to Palin - as you can plainly see in this unedited video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-egfeature=related Both McCain's and Palin's records show that they are certainly NOT agents of change. This is just another example of the McCain camp's desperate dependence on spin, personal attacks and outright lies. Going viciously negative and avoiding the real issues is all they can do to hope to win. They can't win on their *actual* records. McCain has bragged that he's voted with Bush 90% of the time. And Palin's claims of fiscal conservatism have been shown to be just the opposite. Alaska has received more federal pork per capital than any other state in the union. When she became mayor of Wasilla it had zero debt. She left it with a $20 million debt.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? He didn't call Palin a pig, idiot.
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It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? He didn't call Palin a pig, idiot.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? How very Fox news of you. Fortunately for those of us who can read, your (and the conservative media's) attempt to twist what he said into a schoolyard insult is obvious. Sara does not own the rights to the term lipstick and anytime it is referenced it isn't about her. Nobody said that anytime it's referenced it's about her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this* time it was about her. He phrased it carefully to give himself plausible deniability--just as when he gave Hillary the finger, thinly disguised as a cheek-scratch, awhile back--and combined it with a painfully artificial bit of body language, rubbing his forehead as if he were searching for the right words, then artfully pausing to let the words sink in. Since the Republican convention and for some time to come, lipstick = Palin, in any political context. She made it her motto with her crack about the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom. His audience got the reference immediately. There's no question it was intentional. To be fair, Palin isn't above schoolyard insults either. The difference is, she wouldn't pretend she wasn't delivering one. She wouldn't hide her glee, she'd be openly laughing along with her audience. And FWIW, it's not just the conservative media that's calling him on it. Feminist lefties (male and female) are as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? Well, excse me. Let's hear a round of cheers for Obama, he sure knows how to get women to vote for him. I guess you and the blogger boyz think being a sexist pig is a way to woo a woman. Good luck with that, Charlie. Obama lost 21 points from women voters in the last ten days and with this type of piggy behavior, I'm sure he will lose more. Duffus! It's a figure of speech and he wasn't referring to Palin. McCain used the same expression with reference to Hillary's health care plan. Here's a video of that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w
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Sneaky SOB, isn't he? http://tinyurl.com/5tmhov --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? How very Fox news of you. Fortunately for those of us who can read, your (and the conservative media's) attempt to twist what he said into a schoolyard insult is obvious. Sara does not own the rights to the term lipstick and anytime it is referenced it isn't about her. Nobody said that anytime it's referenced it's about her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this* time it was about her. He phrased it carefully to give himself plausible deniability--just as when he gave Hillary the finger, thinly disguised as a cheek-scratch, awhile back--and combined it with a painfully artificial bit of body language, rubbing his forehead as if he were searching for the right words, then artfully pausing to let the words sink in. Since the Republican convention and for some time to come, lipstick = Palin, in any political context. She made it her motto with her crack about the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom. His audience got the reference immediately. There's no question it was intentional. To be fair, Palin isn't above schoolyard insults either. The difference is, she wouldn't pretend she wasn't delivering one. She wouldn't hide her glee, she'd be openly laughing along with her audience. And FWIW, it's not just the conservative media that's calling him on it. Feminist lefties (male and female) are as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? How very Fox news of you. Fortunately for those of us who can read, your (and the conservative media's) attempt to twist what he said into a schoolyard insult is obvious. Sara does not own the rights to the term lipstick and anytime it is referenced it isn't about her. Nobody said that anytime it's referenced it's about her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this* time it was about her. This insult, and the middle finger thing are out of character for the guy. Calling her a pig? What possible purpose would that serve? would the anti pork vote get awakened? You may disagree with his politics but he is not a complete dumbass. We all see this through our filters I guess. To me this seems like such a stretch. I saw the offending clip of his middle finger an it seems so crazy to me. I film all my shows and am often horrified by what I see. We don't live with eyes outside of us and gestures feel different inside. More importantly it is out of character for Obama and serves no purpose, except as a tool for people who want to try to make Sara out to be a martyr. I guess seeing how that strategy worked for the Hillary camp doesn't serve as a cautionary tale. He phrased it carefully to give himself plausible deniability--just as when he gave Hillary the finger, thinly disguised as a cheek-scratch, awhile back--and combined it with a painfully artificial bit of body language, rubbing his forehead as if he were searching for the right words, then artfully pausing to let the words sink in. Since the Republican convention and for some time to come, lipstick = Palin, in any political context. She made it her motto with her crack about the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom. His audience got the reference immediately. There's no question it was intentional. To be fair, Palin isn't above schoolyard insults either. The difference is, she wouldn't pretend she wasn't delivering one. She wouldn't hide her glee, she'd be openly laughing along with her audience. And FWIW, it's not just the conservative media that's calling him on it. Feminist lefties (male and female) are as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. You seem to have a persecution complex and a big chip on your shoulder. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. Bananas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? He didn't call Palin a pig, idiot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. Dude, you are being the sexist, disgusting, pig here. I'm guessing you haven't had much actual contact with the opposite sex if that is your immediate association. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? He didn't call Palin a pig, idiot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. I was trying real hard to click Next immediately whenever I saw your name in the From column, but I must have been focused on the left part of the screen when this one came up, so I read it. This settles my decision to put you in the Try to never bother to read their posts category. You're more insane than the person you agree with on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
Put fingers in your ears, and sing la, la, la, la. That will help keep you comfortably wrapped in your cocoon of ignorance. What's the matter are you afraid of lady-parts? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. I was trying real hard to click Next immediately whenever I saw your name in the From column, but I must have been focused on the left part of the screen when this one came up, so I read it. This settles my decision to put you in the Try to never bother to read their posts category. You're more insane than the person you agree with on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? How very Fox news of you. Fortunately for those of us who can read, your (and the conservative media's) attempt to twist what he said into a schoolyard insult is obvious. Sara does not own the rights to the term lipstick and anytime it is referenced it isn't about her. Nobody said that anytime it's referenced it's about her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this* time it was about her. He phrased it carefully to give himself plausible deniability--just as when he gave Hillary the finger, thinly disguised as a cheek-scratch, awhile back--and combined it with a painfully artificial bit of body language, rubbing his forehead as if he were searching for the right words, then artfully pausing to let the words sink in. Since the Republican convention and for some time to come, lipstick = Palin, in any political context. She made it her motto with her crack about the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom. His audience got the reference immediately. There's no question it was intentional. To be fair, Palin isn't above schoolyard insults either. The difference is, she wouldn't pretend she wasn't delivering one. She wouldn't hide her glee, she'd be openly laughing along with her audience. And FWIW, it's not just the conservative media that's calling him on it. Feminist lefties (male and female) are as well. It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. We look like morons in the eyes of the world. How about moving on to the real issues?
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. We look like morons in the eyes of the world. How about moving on to the real issues? OK. 15 bullet items down on the main CNN page: Man eats 23,000 Big Macs in 36 years http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/09/10/big.macs.record.ap/index.html Slow News Yuga, dude. :-)
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To be sure this is a silly topic, but it is significant in that it could be a turning point in Obama's campaign. In a few days we will know the impact of his snide reference to Palin as a pig. I wager he loses even more women voters as a result of this stupid gaffe. Women aren't buying his excuses anymore. Was Obama scripted making his pig remark with Sarah in mind? Not a made-up controversy? Check out http://tinyurl.com/6676lj There is a picture of a pig wearing lipstick and glasses on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S website. You'd think they would be smart enough to stop digging the very deep hole they started. Fish start to stink from the head. This is not the Democratic Party I knew. McCain is fighting back and it ain't pretty. http://tinyurl.com/69al2h --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. We look like morons in the eyes of the world. How about moving on to the real issues? OK. 15 bullet items down on the main CNN page: Man eats 23,000 Big Macs in 36 years http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/09/10/big.macs.record.ap/index.html Slow News Yuga, dude. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be sure this is a silly topic, but it is significant in that it could be a turning point in Obama's campaign. McCain and his crew, led by Karl Rove acolytes, are doing everything to keep the discussion off issues. [snip loser PUMA crapola]
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John Manning wrote: When she became mayor of Wasilla it had zero debt. She left it with a $20 million debt. You need to stop the lying, Mr. Manning. Yes, she did push for and approve the Wasilla Sports Center. Yes, it did cost a lot of money. (People keep saying $20 million, that article says $14.5 million, but then they also added a $1.2 million dollar food service/kitchen piece. This year, after Palin was out of office as mayor.) Yes, the city went into debt to do it (how did you buy your house, bunkie?) and raised the city sales tax from 2 percent to 2.5 percent to pay for it. Yes, the city is paying it off early. Separating Palin Fact from Palin Fiction: http://tinyurl.com/6m7kzo
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be sure this is a silly topic, but it is significant in that it could be a turning point in Obama's campaign. In a few days we will know the impact of his snide reference to Palin as a pig. I wager he loses even more women voters as a result of this stupid gaffe. Women aren't buying his excuses anymore. Was Obama scripted making his pig remark with Sarah in mind? Not a made-up controversy? Check out http://tinyurl.com/6676lj There is a picture of a pig wearing lipstick and glasses on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S website. You'd think they would be smart enough to stop digging the very deep hole they started. Fish start to stink from the head. This is not the Democratic Party I knew. McCain is fighting back and it ain't pretty. http://tinyurl.com/69al2h --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. We look like morons in the eyes of the world. How about moving on to the real issues? Raunch...it wasn't it a gaffe and it wasn't snide. It's a very common remark...one that McCain has made many times. Much ado about nada. But apparently you're too stupid to figure that out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
Back at-cha geezer. Stupid is not getting it his snide piggy insult will have an impact on his poll numbers for women voters. Believe me, the women get it. Piggy men never will. Excusing his behavior and pretending this is not even a gaffe, just common parlance, ensures you will head for the fainting couch when he loses the election. Check this out: http://tinyurl.com/5e6x9v I rest my case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: To be sure this is a silly topic, but it is significant in that it could be a turning point in Obama's campaign. In a few days we will know the impact of his snide reference to Palin as a pig. I wager he loses even more women voters as a result of this stupid gaffe. Women aren't buying his excuses anymore. Was Obama scripted making his pig remark with Sarah in mind? Not a made-up controversy? Check out http://tinyurl.com/6676lj There is a picture of a pig wearing lipstick and glasses on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S website. You'd think they would be smart enough to stop digging the very deep hole they started. Fish start to stink from the head. This is not the Democratic Party I knew. McCain is fighting back and it ain't pretty. http://tinyurl.com/69al2h --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. We look like morons in the eyes of the world. How about moving on to the real issues? Raunch...it wasn't it a gaffe and it wasn't snide. It's a very common remark...one that McCain has made many times. Much ado about nada. But apparently you're too stupid to figure that out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back at-cha geezer. Stupid is not getting it his snide piggy insult will have an impact on his poll numbers for women voters. Believe me, the women get it. Piggy men never will. Excusing his behavior and pretending this is not even a gaffe, just common parlance, ensures you will head for the fainting couch when he loses the election. Check this out: http://tinyurl.com/5e6x9v I rest my case. You rest your case with this little ditty from Rupert Murdoch's Australian? Have a good rest. You need it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's difficult to explain away Obama's lipstick on a pig remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in Obama's own words, You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years. Women get it that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. The politics of manufactured outrage don't get any more ridiculous than that. Obama just lost the election. Bets are on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist? He didn't call Palin a pig, idiot.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad Lipstick on a Pig
On Sep 10, 2008, at 2:47 PM, geezerfreak wrote: You rest your case with this little ditty from Rupert Murdoch's Australian? Have a good rest. You need it. Line of the week, geez! Welcome back. Sal
