[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish Predictions (was: Crash stock markets.)

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> here is some very specify comments from a Jyotishi on another list
> about how the week will go on the DJIA based on the USA chart, see 
for
> yourself if it turns out to be accurate or not:
> 
> Today, the DJIA took the largest one day loss in many weeks.>>


In other words it was insignificant. 

Unless the news talks about PERCENTAGE drops then it is 
insignificant. For example a 10% drop in one week would be 
significant.  

The whole thing is media hype, PURELY because they want to sell ad-
space. An numerical drop has no significance, unless stated, or 
converted, to a PERCENTAGE. 

All this has proven is more evidence of Jyotish BS.

OffWorld



 The
> market made
> an all time top on the 11th October. The reasons are brilliantly
> illustrated
> in the USA chart.
> 
> Things continue to be difficult next week with Sa-Ke/Ra 
conjunction/asp
> heaviest. Some help is seen at the end of Monday by the Moon-Venus
> opposition, and mid-week with Venus on the 2H MEP. The combusion of
> Mercury
> heading to extreme infancy, and the increasing close affliction of 
the
> debilitated Sun by Rahu into the end of the week does not help 
matters.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Vyas Munidas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> wrote:
> >
> > Due to the unusual transit of the moon over the volatile sub-
chart 
> > variables in the ketu to vastu satas, jyotishis will have a 
> > propensity to make even more erroneous and exaggerated prophecies 
> > than even the usual fare of gypsy palm reading inaccuracies and 
> > fakery.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "docu1000"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Below is a free alert from Mahendra Sharma (link
> > >  > 20> ). I
> > > wonder what Maharishi Jyotish predicts.
> > > 
> > > Dear Member,
> > > 
> > > We are approaching toward worst volatile period like 1929 and 
1987. 
> > I
> > > advise please stay alert and just watch market. Hold cash as 
many 
> > will
> > > fall with fall of commodities, stock market and hot bubble 
> > currencies.
> > > This will happen in the next two weeks.
> > > 
> > > As predicted today all commodities will remain very volatile. 
> > Trading up
> > > can move down during the day (This apply for metals, oil and 
> > grains).
> > > 
> > > I mentioned in newsletter that today is the day to sell 
Canadian and
> > > Australian dollar and yes once again I confirm that. Currently 
> > December
> > > contract are trading at $1.0243 and 0.9009. Dollar index 
trading 
> > stable
> > > and it should trade positive.
> > > 
> > > I predicted major crash in all stock market from 18 October so 
watch
> > > this date closely and plan your trades accordingly. There will
> > > blood-bath in Asian market and may few of the market will close 
> > down for
> > > few days so watch carefully. Get out from all position before 
18 
> > October
> > > including metals, Uranium and Alternative energy stocks.
> > > 
> > > Coffee and cotton to remain positive.
> > > 
> > > Thanks & God Bless
> > > Mahendra Sharma, 11 Oct 5.50AM
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish Predictions (was: Crash stock markets.)

[shukra69]

here is some very specify comments from a Jyotishi on another list
about how the week will go on the DJIA based on the USA chart, see for
yourself if it turns out to be accurate or not:

Today, the DJIA took the largest one day loss in many weeks. The
market made
an all time top on the 11th October. The reasons are brilliantly
illustrated
in the USA chart.

Things continue to be difficult next week with Sa-Ke/Ra conjunction/asp
heaviest. Some help is seen at the end of Monday by the Moon-Venus
opposition, and mid-week with Venus on the 2H MEP. The combusion of
Mercury
heading to extreme infancy, and the increasing close affliction of the
debilitated Sun by Rahu into the end of the week does not help matters.


Best regards,

Vyas Munidas




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Due to the unusual transit of the moon over the volatile sub-chart 
> variables in the ketu to vastu satas, jyotishis will have a 
> propensity to make even more erroneous and exaggerated prophecies 
> than even the usual fare of gypsy palm reading inaccuracies and 
> fakery.
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "docu1000"  wrote:
> >
> > Below is a free alert from Mahendra Sharma (link
> >  20> ). I
> > wonder what Maharishi Jyotish predicts.
> > 
> > Dear Member,
> > 
> > We are approaching toward worst volatile period like 1929 and 1987. 
> I
> > advise please stay alert and just watch market. Hold cash as many 
> will
> > fall with fall of commodities, stock market and hot bubble 
> currencies.
> > This will happen in the next two weeks.
> > 
> > As predicted today all commodities will remain very volatile. 
> Trading up
> > can move down during the day (This apply for metals, oil and 
> grains).
> > 
> > I mentioned in newsletter that today is the day to sell Canadian and
> > Australian dollar and yes once again I confirm that. Currently 
> December
> > contract are trading at $1.0243 and 0.9009. Dollar index trading 
> stable
> > and it should trade positive.
> > 
> > I predicted major crash in all stock market from 18 October so watch
> > this date closely and plan your trades accordingly. There will
> > blood-bath in Asian market and may few of the market will close 
> down for
> > few days so watch carefully. Get out from all position before 18 
> October
> > including metals, Uranium and Alternative energy stocks.
> > 
> > Coffee and cotton to remain positive.
> > 
> > Thanks & God Bless
> > Mahendra Sharma, 11 Oct 5.50AM
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[Jason Spock]

       Yes, everything including distant planets have an effect on us.         There is a Super-Massive Black-Hole in the centre of the Galaxy.  It also should be included in the Jyotish calculations.         As for karma, It's a case of Chickens coming back home to roost.  bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:23:25 -0000Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish 
    The planets/grahas do not really generate anything -- it's just a matter of one's karma returning home:MMY, SBAL, "Karma and the art of being" ~p. 128"...the vibrations set forth by the performance of an action travel around the doer, striking against everything in the surroundings, traveling far and wide. They strike against everything on Earth, on the moon, the sun, and the stars, and keep on traveling in the entire field of the universe, influencing everything that they come across. How they influence depends upon the quality of the action and the force of the performance.The reaction created by the striking of these vibrations against different things in the universe travels back to the doer as a rubber ball thrown against a wall bounces back to the player. Obviously, a reaction returns to the doer more quickly from the
 nearby surrounding area but takes a longer time to come back from great distances."  Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> The trans-Saturnian planets move very slowly.  What impact do they > really have if any?   What impact do any of the grahas other than > the Moon and the Sun really have on the earth?  When there are close> conjunctions they will make the earth wobble a bit more but that > is all which means you have to apply some complex perturbation formulas > to get their positions correct within a few seconds.  Some think it is > the rays of the planet that cause the effects determined by Jyotish but > that would really make the trans-Saturnian planets  insignificant.  As > I said before the planets may be nothing more than
 markers for circadian >  rhythms in nature say for instance a 12 year rhythm tied to > Jupiter.  Dashas could also be mappings of the rhythms.   As for someone > question about why "yagyas" work, perhaps because they help bring us "in > tune" with these circadian rhythms.  Usually we have disasters in our > lives when we are in conflict with the planets.  Remedials bring us into > alignment with their effects or perhaps the circadian rhythms they > represent.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > The trans-Saturnian planets move very slowly.  What impact do 
they
> > > really have if any?   What impact do any of the grahas other 
than
> >the
> > > Moon and the Sun really have on the earth?  When there are 
close
> > > conjunctions they will make the earth wobble a bit more but 
that
> >is all
> > > which means you have to apply some complex perturbation 
formulas
> >to get
> > > their positions correct within a few seconds.  Some think it is
> >the rays
> > > of the planet that cause the effects determined by Jyotish but
> >that
> > > would really make the trans-Saturnian planets  insignificant.  
As
> >I said
> > > before the planets may be nothing more than markers for 
circadian
> > > rhythms in nature say for instance a 12 year rhythm tied to
> >Jupiter. 
> > > Dashas could also be mappings of the rhythms.   As for someone
> >question
> > > about why "yagyas" work, perhaps because they help bring us "in
> >tune"
> > > with these circadian rhythms.  Usually we have disasters in our
> >lives
> > > when we are in conflict with the planets.  Remedials bring us 
into
> > > alignment with their effects or perhaps the circadian rhythms 
they
> > > represent.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >*
> >
> >The planets/grahas do not really generate anything -- it's just a
> >matter of one's karma returning home:
> >
> >MMY, SBAL, "Karma and the art of being" ~p. 128
> >
> >"...the vibrations set forth by the performance of an action 
travel
> >around the doer, striking against everything in the surroundings,
> >traveling far and wide. They strike against everything on Earth, 
on
> >the moon, the sun, and the stars, and keep on traveling in the
> >entire field of the universe, influencing everything that they 
come
> >across. How they influence depends upon the quality of the action
> >and the force of the performance.
> >The reaction created by the striking of these vibrations against
> >different things in the universe travels back to the doer as a
> >rubber ball thrown against a wall bounces back to the player.
> >Obviously, a reaction returns to the doer more quickly from the
> >nearby surrounding area but takes a longer time to come back from
> >great distances."
> >
> >  
> >
> You're not suggesting karma can bounce off of Jupiter and Saturn 
or even 
> Uranus, are you?
>


I don't know about Jupiter and Saturn but, certainly, off of your 
anus.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > The trans-Saturnian planets move very slowly.  What impact do 
they
> > > really have if any?   What impact do any of the grahas other 
than
> >the
> > > Moon and the Sun really have on the earth?  When there are 
close
> > > conjunctions they will make the earth wobble a bit more but 
that
> >is all
> > > which means you have to apply some complex perturbation 
formulas
> >to get
> > > their positions correct within a few seconds.  Some think it is
> >the rays
> > > of the planet that cause the effects determined by Jyotish but
> >that
> > > would really make the trans-Saturnian planets  insignificant.  
As
> >I said
> > > before the planets may be nothing more than markers for 
circadian
> > > rhythms in nature say for instance a 12 year rhythm tied to
> >Jupiter. 
> > > Dashas could also be mappings of the rhythms.   As for someone
> >question
> > > about why "yagyas" work, perhaps because they help bring us "in
> >tune"
> > > with these circadian rhythms.  Usually we have disasters in our
> >lives
> > > when we are in conflict with the planets.  Remedials bring us 
into
> > > alignment with their effects or perhaps the circadian rhythms 
they
> > > represent.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >*
> >
> >The planets/grahas do not really generate anything -- it's just a
> >matter of one's karma returning home:
> >
> >MMY, SBAL, "Karma and the art of being" ~p. 128
> >
> >"...the vibrations set forth by the performance of an action 
travel
> >around the doer, striking against everything in the surroundings,
> >traveling far and wide. They strike against everything on Earth, 
on
> >the moon, the sun, and the stars, and keep on traveling in the
> >entire field of the universe, influencing everything that they 
come
> >across. How they influence depends upon the quality of the action
> >and the force of the performance.
> >The reaction created by the striking of these vibrations against
> >different things in the universe travels back to the doer as a
> >rubber ball thrown against a wall bounces back to the player.
> >Obviously, a reaction returns to the doer more quickly from the
> >nearby surrounding area but takes a longer time to come back from
> >great distances."
> >
> >  
> >


> You're not suggesting karma can bounce off of Jupiter and Saturn 
or even 
> Uranus, are you?
>

**

I'm sure your karma will knock you on Uranus...

Western science has not even isolated the force carrier of gravity 
(the graviton -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton ), an obvious 
force of nature that everybody sees every day. So if you are 
confident that not being to detect with machinery the forces of 
karma (far subtler than gravity) which many Vedic sages (and Jesus 
too, who said whatever you sow etc) have described as explanation 
for the good and bad that shows up in one's life, and this inability 
to measure with maches thereby invalidates Jyotish/karma, then your 
confidence in guys with lab coats is simply misplaced -- total 
awareness that Vedic sages enjoy (like Maharishi Patanjali, 
Parashara and other unfolders of Jyotish) is the only tool to really 
know how the universe's most subtle aspects work (although there is 
also evidence from correctly done (using reliable Jyotish software 
like Parashara's Light and the standard texts of Jyotish) Jyotish 
charts, whose accurate predictive ability supports the authenticity 
of Jyotish claims).

Bob Brigante
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[Bhairitu]

bob_brigante wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The trans-Saturnian planets move very slowly.  What impact do they
> > really have if any?   What impact do any of the grahas other than
>the
> > Moon and the Sun really have on the earth?  When there are close
> > conjunctions they will make the earth wobble a bit more but that
>is all
> > which means you have to apply some complex perturbation formulas
>to get
> > their positions correct within a few seconds.  Some think it is
>the rays
> > of the planet that cause the effects determined by Jyotish but
>that
> > would really make the trans-Saturnian planets  insignificant.  As
>I said
> > before the planets may be nothing more than markers for circadian
> > rhythms in nature say for instance a 12 year rhythm tied to
>Jupiter. 
> > Dashas could also be mappings of the rhythms.   As for someone
>question
> > about why "yagyas" work, perhaps because they help bring us "in
>tune"
> > with these circadian rhythms.  Usually we have disasters in our
>lives
> > when we are in conflict with the planets.  Remedials bring us into
> > alignment with their effects or perhaps the circadian rhythms they
> > represent.
> >
> >
>
>*
>
>The planets/grahas do not really generate anything -- it's just a
>matter of one's karma returning home:
>
>MMY, SBAL, "Karma and the art of being" ~p. 128
>
>"...the vibrations set forth by the performance of an action travel
>around the doer, striking against everything in the surroundings,
>traveling far and wide. They strike against everything on Earth, on
>the moon, the sun, and the stars, and keep on traveling in the
>entire field of the universe, influencing everything that they come
>across. How they influence depends upon the quality of the action
>and the force of the performance.
>The reaction created by the striking of these vibrations against
>different things in the universe travels back to the doer as a
>rubber ball thrown against a wall bounces back to the player.
>Obviously, a reaction returns to the doer more quickly from the
>nearby surrounding area but takes a longer time to come back from
>great distances."
>
>  
>
You're not suggesting karma can bounce off of Jupiter and Saturn or even 
Uranus, are you?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The trans-Saturnian planets move very slowly.  What impact do they 
> really have if any?   What impact do any of the grahas other than 
the 
> Moon and the Sun really have on the earth?  When there are close 
> conjunctions they will make the earth wobble a bit more but that 
is all 
> which means you have to apply some complex perturbation formulas 
to get 
> their positions correct within a few seconds.  Some think it is 
the rays 
> of the planet that cause the effects determined by Jyotish but 
that 
> would really make the trans-Saturnian planets  insignificant.  As 
I said 
> before the planets may be nothing more than markers for circadian 
> rhythms in nature say for instance a 12 year rhythm tied to 
Jupiter.  
> Dashas could also be mappings of the rhythms.   As for someone 
question 
> about why "yagyas" work, perhaps because they help bring us "in 
tune" 
> with these circadian rhythms.  Usually we have disasters in our 
lives 
> when we are in conflict with the planets.  Remedials bring us into 
> alignment with their effects or perhaps the circadian rhythms they 
> represent.
> 
> 

*

The planets/grahas do not really generate anything -- it's just a 
matter of one's karma returning home:

MMY, SBAL, "Karma and the art of being" ~p. 128

"...the vibrations set forth by the performance of an action travel 
around the doer, striking against everything in the surroundings, 
traveling far and wide. They strike against everything on Earth, on 
the moon, the sun, and the stars, and keep on traveling in the 
entire field of the universe, influencing everything that they come 
across. How they influence depends upon the quality of the action 
and the force of the performance.
The reaction created by the striking of these vibrations against 
different things in the universe travels back to the doer as a 
rubber ball thrown against a wall bounces back to the player. 
Obviously, a reaction returns to the doer more quickly from the 
nearby surrounding area but takes a longer time to come back from 
great distances."









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[Bhairitu]

The trans-Saturnian planets move very slowly.  What impact do they 
really have if any?   What impact do any of the grahas other than the 
Moon and the Sun really have on the earth?  When there are close 
conjunctions they will make the earth wobble a bit more but that is all 
which means you have to apply some complex perturbation formulas to get 
their positions correct within a few seconds.  Some think it is the rays 
of the planet that cause the effects determined by Jyotish but that 
would really make the trans-Saturnian planets  insignificant.  As I said 
before the planets may be nothing more than markers for circadian 
rhythms in nature say for instance a 12 year rhythm tied to Jupiter.  
Dashas could also be mappings of the rhythms.   As for someone question 
about why "yagyas" work, perhaps because they help bring us "in tune" 
with these circadian rhythms.  Usually we have disasters in our lives 
when we are in conflict with the planets.  Remedials bring us into 
alignment with their effects or perhaps the circadian rhythms they 
represent.



qntmpkt wrote:

>---Right:...The trans-Saturnian planets are "known" to the Vedic
>pundits as to vibrations; but these planets are not incorporated into
>Indian horoscopes since their exact positions can only be known using
>modern technology.  But now that the locations of these planets ARE
>known, there's positively NO excuse (IMO - after 30 years
>investigating astrology); to incorporate their transits into readings.
>Some Indian astrologers attempt to sweep these planets under the
>rug, saying they're not important.  Baloney!...They are VERY
>important.
>
>
>"authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante 
>wrote:
> > 
> > > the mere fact that Neptune and other
> > > solar system objects were not mentioned in Jyotish does not mean
> > > that the existence of these objects was not appreciated
>(evidently
> > > there is a dividing line of Jyotish significance in the solar
> > > system, and Neptune etc are simply too far out to be significant
> > > for Jyotish).
> >
> > Which line (purely coincidentally, you understand)
> > *just happens* to have been drawn between the planets
> > you can't possibly miss, and those that are either not
> > visible or only *very* dimly visible to the naked eye
> > (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto).
> >
>
>
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock  
> wrote:
> >
> > The Word Planet means Wanderer.  The Ancient Greeks could 
> distinguish between Planets and Stars.
> 
> Of course they could.  And so could farmers and
> sailors, anyone who needed to pay close attention
> to the sky night after night.  There was nothing
> the least bit "occult" about it.
> 
> Bob seems to think the way ordinary people told
> the difference between stars and planets was that
> the planets were *brighter*.  Most of them are
> brighter, but that's not how people knew they were
> different.

***

So the pole star with its fixed position would have been seen as a 
planet.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The Word Planet means Wanderer.  The Ancient Greeks could 
distinguish between Planets and Stars.

Of course they could.  And so could farmers and
sailors, anyone who needed to pay close attention
to the sky night after night.  There was nothing
the least bit "occult" about it.

Bob seems to think the way ordinary people told
the difference between stars and planets was that
the planets were *brighter*.  Most of them are
brighter, but that's not how people knew they were
different.

They knew the planets were different because
the stars stayed put in their fixed 
constellations, while the planets "wandered" among
them.  Very obvious to anyone who's watching the
sky carefully for even just a few weeks.




>    
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy
>   
> MarkMeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:38:09 -
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish
> 
>    
>   Hindus did make many significant early contributions to astronomy,
> here's one of many good articles:
> http://www.hvk.org/articles/0802/214.html
> 
> But the theory that only enlightened vedic sages traveling 
throughout
> the universe knew about the planets in ancient history is not true. 
> Here's one of many sources on history of astronomy:
> 
> http://www.astroenergetics.com/HTML/History.html
> 
> Astronomy-astrology is said to have originated with the Chaldeans, 
in
> Babylon, Mesopotamia, (now Iraq) around the fourth millennium BC. It
> was practiced in the temples, where it was blended with religious
> elements. Later, it spread to Egypt, and around the third millennium
> BC was being used by rulers to predict the fate of nations: war or
> peace, famine or plenty.
> 
> The Chinese were also skilled astronomers, and are thought to have
> independently begun to use forms of prediction, along with the Maya 
of Central America and the peoples of ancient India. Some experts 
believe that Chinese astronomy may extend as far back as 5000 BC.
> 
> Recent researches into the Pyramids and Sphinx of Giza suggest that
> observation of heavenly bodies may have even more distant origins.
> There is startling new evidence that the principal Giza monuments 
form
> an accurate terrestial "map" of the three stars of Orion's belt as
> these constellations appeared in 10,500 BC.
> 
>   
>    bob_brigante  wrote:
> 
> > Europeans for hundreds of centuries could not distinguish between 
> > planets and stars -- they were simply mysterious objects in the 
sky. 
> > If Jyotish sages did not know the difference, many thousands of 
years ago, between stars and planets, then they would have confounded 
the two in setting up Jyotish (the star Sirius is brighter than 
Saturn), but they did not:











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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

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    The Word Planet means Wanderer.  The Ancient Greeks could distinguish between Planets and Stars.         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy  MarkMeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:38:09 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish     Hindus did make many significant early
 contributions to astronomy,here's one of many good articles:http://www.hvk.org/articles/0802/214.htmlBut the theory that only enlightened vedic sages traveling throughoutthe universe knew about the planets in ancient history is not true. Here's one of many sources on history of astronomy:http://www.astroenergetics.com/HTML/History.htmlAstronomy-astrology is said to have originated with the Chaldeans, inBabylon, Mesopotamia, (now Iraq) around the fourth millennium BC. Itwas practiced in the temples, where
 it was blended with religiouselements. Later, it spread to Egypt, and around the third millenniumBC was being used by rulers to predict the fate of nations: war orpeace, famine or plenty.The Chinese were also skilled astronomers, and are thought to haveindependently begun to use forms of prediction, along with the Maya of Central America and the peoples of ancient India. Some experts believe that Chinese astronomy may extend as far back as 5000 BC.Recent researches into the Pyramids and Sphinx of Giza suggest thatobservation of heavenly bodies may have even more distant origins.There is startling new evidence that the principal Giza monuments forman accurate terrestial "map" of the three stars of Orion's belt asthese constellations appeared in 10,500 BC.     bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:> Europeans for hundreds of centuries could not distinguish between > planets and stars -- they were simply mysterious objects in the sky. > If Jyotish sages did not know the difference, many thousands of years ago, between stars and planets, then they would have confounded the two in setting up Jyotish (the star Sirius is brighter than Saturn), but they did not:   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[markmeredith2002]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 
> Europeans for hundreds of centuries could not distinguish between 
> planets and stars -- they were simply mysterious objects in the sky. 
> If Jyotish sages did not know the difference, many thousands of years 
> ago, between stars and planets, then they would have confounded the 
> two in setting up Jyotish (the star Sirius is brighter than Saturn), 
> but they did not:

Hindus did make many significant early contributions to astronomy,
here's one of many good articles:
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0802/214.html

But the theory that only enlightened vedic sages traveling throughout
the universe knew about the planets in ancient history is not true. 
Here's one of many sources on history of astronomy:

http://www.astroenergetics.com/HTML/History.html

Astronomy-astrology is said to have originated with the Chaldeans, in
Babylon, Mesopotamia, (now Iraq) around the fourth millennium BC. It
was practiced in the temples, where it was blended with religious
elements. Later, it spread to Egypt, and around the third millennium
BC was being used by rulers to predict the fate of nations: war or
peace, famine or plenty.

The Chinese were also skilled astronomers, and are thought to have
independently begun to use forms of prediction, along with the Maya of
Central America and the peoples of ancient India. Some experts believe
that Chinese astronomy may extend as far back as 5000 BC.

Recent researches into the Pyramids and Sphinx of Giza suggest that
observation of heavenly bodies may have even more distant origins.
There is startling new evidence that the principal Giza monuments form
an accurate terrestial "map" of the three stars of Orion's belt as
these constellations appeared in 10,500 BC.















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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[Sal Sunshine]

Is this anything like the New Math, Bob?


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[Jason Spock]

       Yes Yes, modern technology should be used.           The Super-Massive Black-Hole in the centre of the Galaxy also should be included in the Jyotish calculations.   Now you know it's position..!!  Qntmpkt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 03:40:26 -0000Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish     ---Right:...The trans-Saturnian planets are "known" to the Vedic pundits as to vibrations; but these planets are not incorporated
 into Indian horoscopes since their exact positions can only be known using modern technology.  But now that the locations of these planets ARE known, there's positively NO excuse (IMO - after 30 years investigating astrology); to incorporate their transits into readings.Some Indian astrologers attempt to sweep these planets under the rug, saying they're not important.  Baloney!...They are VERY important.   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[shukra69]

The western astrologer Julian Lee has said that the outer planets 
are very important if you are unenlightened, the more enlightened 
you are the influence of the planets fade from Pluto inwards.He 
states he has seen in the lives of clients who are engaged in 
spiritual practice like TM or Kriya Yoga that this is the case. Thus 
they weren't of much concern to Rishis like Parashara. David 
Frawley/Vamanadeva Shastri has written how the outer planets are 
indeed mentioned in the ancient texts. They considered many other 
bodies ( which are invisible to modern science!) to be more worth 
detailing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---Right:...The trans-Saturnian planets are "known" to the Vedic 
> pundits as to vibrations; but these planets are not incorporated 
into 
> Indian horoscopes since their exact positions can only be known 
using 
> modern technology.  But now that the locations of these planets 
ARE 
> known, there's positively NO excuse (IMO - after 30 years 
> investigating astrology); to incorporate their transits into 
readings.
>  Some Indian astrologers attempt to sweep these planets under the 
> rug, saying they're not important.  Baloney!...They are VERY 
> important.
> 
> 
>  "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> > 
> > > the mere fact that Neptune and other 
> > > solar system objects were not mentioned in Jyotish does not 
mean 
> > > that the existence of these objects was not appreciated 
> (evidently 
> > > there is a dividing line of Jyotish significance in the solar 
> > > system, and Neptune etc are simply too far out to be 
significant 
> > > for Jyotish).
> > 
> > Which line (purely coincidentally, you understand)
> > *just happens* to have been drawn between the planets
> > you can't possibly miss, and those that are either not
> > visible or only *very* dimly visible to the naked eye
> > (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto).
> >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[shukra69]

a dasha system like Narayana dasha that changes on birthday? Sri 
Sanjay Rath teaches Narayana dasha and others. Vimshottari is 
mentioned in texts as being best for Kaliyuga, it seems to work for 
most people and not everyone. The "SA" brand of Jyotish deveoped by 
VK Choudhry seems to work very well in my experience. It isn't 
traditional/Maharishi jyotish.
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> markmeredith2002 wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> >wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>on 5/2/06 9:58 AM, Rick Archer at fairfieldlife@ wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>From a friend:
> >>>
> >>>Hi Rick,
> >>>
> >>>It seems that people getting jyotish consultations
> >>>from International are now being told they are in
> >>>different dasas to their previoyus readings.  The
> >>>reason given is that it is a new system for Sat Yuga.
> >>>No-one gets to see the charts though so it is unknown
> >>>what the system is.  Any of your friends know about
> >>>it?
> >>>
> >>>Regards
> >>>
> >>>R
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>A jyotish friend responded on the side:
> >>
> >>"the calculation is called shristi samvatsar and is based on a
> >>calculation from the surya siddhanta.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >The calculation is called "time for new improved product roll-out"
> >since the old product is no longer selling.
> >
> >  
> >
> Scam-yuga?  I'll have to look up that calculation.  Jyotishis 
often look 
> for all kinds of new rules when their predictions don't work out.  
If 
> you look at predictions in the abstract they tend to be pretty 
good 
> indicators of what themes will be prevailing in your life.  But we 
seem 
> to have these fools that think dashas are black and white and your 
every 
> move can be determined from the horoscope.   I'm beginning to 
wonder if 
> the planets are nothing but markers anyway for some yet 
undiscovered 
> circadian rhythms.   The ancients merely used the positions of the 
> planets to track the cycles.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> > 
> > > the mere fact that Neptune and other 
> > > solar system objects were not mentioned in Jyotish does not 
mean 
> > > that the existence of these objects was not appreciated 
(evidently 
> > > there is a dividing line of Jyotish significance in the solar 
> > > system, and Neptune etc are simply too far out to be 
significant 
> > > for Jyotish).
> > 
> > Which line (purely coincidentally, you understand)
> > *just happens* to have been drawn between the planets
> > you can't possibly miss, and those that are either not
> > visible or only *very* dimly visible to the naked eye
> > (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto).
>
> 
> 
> Europeans for hundreds of centuries could not distinguish between 
> planets and stars -- they were simply mysterious objects in the 
> sky. If Jyotish sages did not know the difference, many thousands 
> of years ago, between stars and planets, then they would have 
> confounded the two in setting up Jyotish (the star Sirius is 
> brighter than Saturn), but they did not:
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/kvmagruder/bcp/aster/general/mag.htm

This would seem to be totally irrelevant, Bob.

In the first place, anyone who observes the sky closely
enough to devise an astrological system distinguishes
between the stars and the planets; you can't help it.

In the second place, nobody suggested the Jyotishis
didn't also make that distinction. As noted, that
would be absurd.

In the third place, it's doubtful that *anybody*
had devised an astrological system before around
3000 B.C.  The earliest known is that of the
Babylonians, which became what we know as 
Western (i.e., European) astrology.

So to say the Europeans "for hundreds of centuries"
couldn't distinguish planets from stars is simply
to say that there's no record of anybody having
observed and recorded the movements of the heavenly
bodies at all until a mere 30 centuries ago.

And none of this, of course, has anything at all
to do with my point, which it appears you thought
you might obscure with utterly irrelevant (and
thoroughly ignorant) prattle.

Oh, and your link doesn't have anything to do
either with what I said or with your response.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[qntmpkt]

---Right:...The trans-Saturnian planets are "known" to the Vedic 
pundits as to vibrations; but these planets are not incorporated into 
Indian horoscopes since their exact positions can only be known using 
modern technology.  But now that the locations of these planets ARE 
known, there's positively NO excuse (IMO - after 30 years 
investigating astrology); to incorporate their transits into readings.
 Some Indian astrologers attempt to sweep these planets under the 
rug, saying they're not important.  Baloney!...They are VERY 
important.


 "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> 
> > the mere fact that Neptune and other 
> > solar system objects were not mentioned in Jyotish does not mean 
> > that the existence of these objects was not appreciated 
(evidently 
> > there is a dividing line of Jyotish significance in the solar 
> > system, and Neptune etc are simply too far out to be significant 
> > for Jyotish).
> 
> Which line (purely coincidentally, you understand)
> *just happens* to have been drawn between the planets
> you can't possibly miss, and those that are either not
> visible or only *very* dimly visible to the naked eye
> (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto).
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> 
> > the mere fact that Neptune and other 
> > solar system objects were not mentioned in Jyotish does not mean 
> > that the existence of these objects was not appreciated (evidently 
> > there is a dividing line of Jyotish significance in the solar 
> > system, and Neptune etc are simply too far out to be significant 
> > for Jyotish).
> 
> Which line (purely coincidentally, you understand)
> *just happens* to have been drawn between the planets
> you can't possibly miss, and those that are either not
> visible or only *very* dimly visible to the naked eye
> (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto).
>



Europeans for hundreds of centuries could not distinguish between 
planets and stars -- they were simply mysterious objects in the sky. 
If Jyotish sages did not know the difference, many thousands of years 
ago, between stars and planets, then they would have confounded the 
two in setting up Jyotish (the star Sirius is brighter than Saturn), 
but they did not:

http://homepage.mac.com/kvmagruder/bcp/aster/general/mag.htm

 











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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> the mere fact that Neptune and other 
> solar system objects were not mentioned in Jyotish does not mean 
> that the existence of these objects was not appreciated (evidently 
> there is a dividing line of Jyotish significance in the solar 
> system, and Neptune etc are simply too far out to be significant 
> for Jyotish).

Which line (purely coincidentally, you understand)
*just happens* to have been drawn between the planets
you can't possibly miss, and those that are either not
visible or only *very* dimly visible to the naked eye
(Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto).










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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 5/8/06 5:35 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > One of the sutras of Patanjali (also a major writer in Jyotish) is
> > based on the pole-star
> 


> You can see the pole star. You can't see Neptune.
>

*

Yes, but for many centuries, Europeans thought that all those spots of 
light, whether Jupiter or Sirius etc, were nearby -- they did not know 
anything about the great distances involved. The mere fact that you 
can see an object does not mean that you understand its position in 
the universe, and the mere fact that Neptune and other solar system 
objects were not mentioned in Jyotish does not mean that the existence 
of these objects was not appreciated (evidently there is a dividing 
line of Jyotish significance in the solar system, and Neptune etc are 
simply too far out to be significant for Jyotish).

The enlightened sages, Patanjali, Parashara et al, who unfolded 
Jyotish were capable of traveling the universe (s) at will -- 
certainly they knew the layout of the universe -- you would have to 
have total knowledge to do the computation required for Jyotish. To 
say that they did not know how the solar system was organized is 
ridiculous if you have any confidence in Vedic knowledge.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish the pol star is actuall 3 stars a trinary

[WLeed3]

yes 3 NOT 2 or on as earlier believed.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[Rick Archer]

on 5/8/06 5:35 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> One of the sutras of Patanjali (also a major writer in Jyotish) is
> based on the pole-star

You can see the pole star. You can't see Neptune.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry to reignite this again but I have a few questions.
> 
> 
> >> There are many bodies beyond the orbit of Saturn. Parashara and 
> the 
> > other enlightened sages drew the line at Saturn because that was 
> the 
> > beginning of major influences on human karma, not because they 
were 
> > unaware of other bodies.
> 


> Do we have evidence they were aware of other heavenly bodies? It 
> seems a bit "convenient" they drew the line just before objects 
> become invisible to the naked eye.
> 


**

One of the sutras of Patanjali (also a major writer in Jyotish) is 
based on the pole-star, so certainly they were aware of other 
heavenly bodies. The enlightened sages who expounded Jyotish would 
certainly have been capable of travel throughout the universe, or 
other universes, for that matter. 



> Given that any field will radiate outwards losing power to the 
> inverse square of the distance travelled (or something), my karma 
> reflecting from a bus passing by on the road would have a much 
more 
> massive effect on my life than Jupiter ever could, does karma obey 
> different laws?




I'm just guessing that although there is karmic return from all 
objects in the universe (and certainly you would get a quick 
reaction from your immediate environs), the planets act as 
consolidators of karma returning from far away, and are therefore 
important indicators in one's chart of what's returning to you in 
this lifetime.

On a dry day, if you run a comb through your hair, then swing it in 
an arc, a wave of energy will hit the moon in less than two seconds, 
and then be propagated throughout the universe. We are similarly 
sending out a wave of influence that returns to us from all parts of 
the universe, but I guess that karma is not the same type of wave as 
EM waves. So the question of strength is not one I could answer 
except to say that I definitely see accurate Jyotish charts 
regardless of the details of karmic propagation.


> 
>   but because the universe is not 
> > structured for suffering, but for the expansion of happiness, 
and 
> > therefore yagyas are available to lessen unhappy impacts on 
one's 
> > life due to returning bad karma.
> 


> I can't see how the universe is structured for fulfilling any 
human 
> concepts at all but my question would be, how does a yagya find 
it's 
> way to the recipient? 

When you request a yagya from Maharishi Yagya pundits, you give your 
name and the sankalpa (desire) addressed in the yagya is directed 
toward you:

http://tinyurl.com/zryrh


>There are six billion+ people on earth, is a 
> few minutes of chanting in India really going to effect my life? I 
> doubt it, which is why I've never known anyone get anything out of 
> yagyas, exvept a bit of a placebo effect of course but certainly 
not 
> what they paid all that money for.
> 
> And lastly, has anyone ever published a controlled study of yagyas 
> and their effects? Were the results better than a placebo?
>

Controlled studies  of Jyotish and yagyas could be done -- somebody 
will probably do some in a few years.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Sorry to reignite this again but I have a few questions.


>> There are many bodies beyond the orbit of Saturn. Parashara and 
the 
> other enlightened sages drew the line at Saturn because that was 
the 
> beginning of major influences on human karma, not because they were 
> unaware of other bodies.

Do we have evidence they were aware of other heavenly bodies? It 
seems a bit "convenient" they drew the line just before objects 
become invisible to the naked eye.

Given that any field will radiate outwards losing power to the 
inverse square of the distance travelled (or something), my karma 
reflecting from a bus passing by on the road would have a much more 
massive effect on my life than Jupiter ever could, does karma obey 
different laws?

  but because the universe is not 
> structured for suffering, but for the expansion of happiness, and 
> therefore yagyas are available to lessen unhappy impacts on one's 
> life due to returning bad karma.

I can't see how the universe is structured for fulfilling any human 
concepts at all but my question would be, how does a yagya find it's 
way to the recipient? There are six billion+ people on earth, is a 
few minutes of chanting in India really going to effect my life? I 
doubt it, which is why I've never known anyone get anything out of 
yagyas, exvept a bit of a placebo effect of course but certainly not 
what they paid all that money for.

And lastly, has anyone ever published a controlled study of yagyas 
and their effects? Were the results better than a placebo? 










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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> > > Maharishi has always claimed that Jyotish is a science and that 
> > > therefore a computer would be the best practitioner.
> > > 
> > > To my eyes the biggest pointer to it being a huge load of 
> > > Anthropomorphism is the fact that all of the planets beyond the 
> > > orbit of saturn are missing from the jyotish calculations. Do they 
> > > not have an effect? 

As someone touched on, M. holds that jyotish is not about effects
casued from a distance (external planets) but rather are like a cosmic
clock that correspond to internal clocks -- presumably governing the
fructification of various vasanas.

>or is it because they are not visible to the 
> > > naked eye and consequently the ancients couldn't have known about 
> > > them?

Thus the cosmic clock system is not dependent of outer planets, nor 
billions of other things, to tell what "time" it is.



> Charts don't say anything, they need to be interpreted, and the common
> experience is that 10 jyotishes will give 10 different interpretations

That is a common experience today, though not to the extreme you
imply. Most jyotishees will generally agree on what a particular
grahaplacement means. Where greater differences appear is determining
and interpreting the net result of a 100 + various influences taken
together.

> People who believe in astrology always point to famous peoples' charts
> and find something in it that corresponds to the famous quality of
> stupidity or beauty or whatever in that person.  Astrology is a
> sufficiently complex system that you can always find something in a
> chart that corresponds to some quality in a person, and if you're a TB
> then your psychology will conveniently ignore all the other aspects of
> the chart that contradict your conclusion,  -- though it's
> a complex enough system that you can always explain it away somehow.
> 
> Anyway, keep waiting for that scientific proof of jyotish - that's an
> even longer wait than for the pundits.

 
That is not a characteristic unique to jyotish or jyotish believers,
its a broad characteristic common to all bad science practiced by
people who are clueless about statistical evidence.

It is a weak and nearly menningless finding, in jyotish or any
research, to say Y occurs when X happens. "The S&P 500 rises on days
that the Sun rises" meets the preceeding criteria. Its true, yet
meaningless. 

What is of interest are statements such as  "Y occurs when X happens,
AND Y does NOT occur when X happens. (And verified by appropriate
statistical tests that the effects found would not usually occur if
the "cause"   or "dose" or "X" did not happen. "Not usually" means
itss better than 20 to one odds). 
 
> PS -- A long time ago I did a fairly vigorous statistical look at
> jyotish application for investing and found no objective basis 

I would guess you looked at a few jyotish positions, based on jyotish
basics, found in any introductory jyotish book. And these few jyotish
positions you looked at are were only a handful of 100's of possible
combinations and effects. And the analysis did not examine at all
virtually 1000's of effects(from combinations of effects brough to
light by advanced methods (e.g., various dasha systems, etc). If so,
your research, while probably of merit, was hardly exhaustive -- and
leaves open the door 1000x + well structured research projects, some
ofwhich may find some useful correlations in some areas of life. 

My guess is that if some statistically valid predictions are made by
jyotish, it will come about from "reinterpreting" and calibrating 
what ancient texts say regarding "results" of a particular jyotish
position, in terms of modern life. Gaining many wives, many cows, and
comfortable beds may mean something quite unique in modern life, and
distinct from what it referred to in life 5000 years ago -- though the
results may be in similar areas of life. 

This will come from a lot of exploratory research. For example, if a
certain position calls for increased wealth, then look at 100
different wealth modern paramters (income, total assests, purchasing
power, etc) for 1000 + subjects and see if some correlate with the
existance, and lack thereof, of the noted jyotish position that is
said to promote wealth.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
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> PS -- A long time ago I did a fairly vigorous statistical look at
> jyotish application for investing and found no objective basis for
> it, though I did find minor correlations between market phenomenon 
> and certain planetary cycles -- ie, planets moving into and out of 
> signs and changing dasha periods seem like hogwash to me, but the
> relationship of planetary orbits may in fact be linked somehow with
> macro cycles on earth -- which supports what judy was saying earlier
> on the subject I think.

Actually that was what Bhairitu said, that it tracks
circadian rhythms.  My speculation was that any 
sufficiently complex system--from astrology to palm
reading to tea leaves to Tarot--can serve to focus the
intuition just as a sort of abstract organizing
principle; the "information" comes from the intuition,
not from anything in the system itself.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> authfriend wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I'm beginning to wonder if the planets are nothing but markers 
> >>anyway for some yet undiscovered circadian rhythms.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >My guess: Any sufficiently complex system of
> >correspondences, such as astrology (any flavor), works
> >as a tool for focusing the intuition--i.e., collecting
> >and integrating all one's little intuitional inputs
> >into a coherent whole so that a prediction can be
> >generated from it.  The system's correspondences
> >themselves don't "mean" anything at all, they're just a
> >framework to hang the intuition on and organize what
> >the intuition knows.
> >
> >Tea leaves, in other words, could work just as well
> >as astrology for anyone with a highly developed
> >intuition.
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> Intuition is very definitely a part of jyotish but some systems 
will 
> work very well in a mechanical sense too.  Something is going on 
and it 
> doesn't have so much to do with intuition other than some folks 
can 
> discern it with intuition.  Hart DeFouw, a very popular Jyotish 
teacher 
> says Jyotish is just a form of "divination" like numerology, 
palmistry, etc.
>

Maharishi has always claimed that Jyotish is a science and that 
therefore a computer would be the best practitioner.

To my eyes the biggest pointer to it being a huge load of 
Anthropomorphism is the fact that all of the planets beyond the 
orbit of saturn are missing from the jyotish calculations. Do they 
not have an effect? or is it because they are not visible to the 
naked eye and consequently the ancients couldn't have known about 
them?

An if it doesn't mean anything at all why have yagyas to "correct" 
approaching problems?










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I'm beginning to wonder if the planets are nothing but markers 
>>anyway for some yet undiscovered circadian rhythms.
>>    
>>
>
>My guess: Any sufficiently complex system of
>correspondences, such as astrology (any flavor), works
>as a tool for focusing the intuition--i.e., collecting
>and integrating all one's little intuitional inputs
>into a coherent whole so that a prediction can be
>generated from it.  The system's correspondences
>themselves don't "mean" anything at all, they're just a
>framework to hang the intuition on and organize what
>the intuition knows.
>
>Tea leaves, in other words, could work just as well
>as astrology for anyone with a highly developed
>intuition.
>
>
>  
>
Intuition is very definitely a part of jyotish but some systems will 
work very well in a mechanical sense too.  Something is going on and it 
doesn't have so much to do with intuition other than some folks can 
discern it with intuition.  Hart DeFouw, a very popular Jyotish teacher 
says Jyotish is just a form of "divination" like numerology, palmistry, etc.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm beginning to wonder if the planets are nothing but markers 
> anyway for some yet undiscovered circadian rhythms.

My guess: Any sufficiently complex system of
correspondences, such as astrology (any flavor), works
as a tool for focusing the intuition--i.e., collecting
and integrating all one's little intuitional inputs
into a coherent whole so that a prediction can be
generated from it.  The system's correspondences
themselves don't "mean" anything at all, they're just a
framework to hang the intuition on and organize what
the intuition knows.

Tea leaves, in other words, could work just as well
as astrology for anyone with a highly developed
intuition.










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[Bhairitu]

markmeredith2002 wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>  
>
>>on 5/2/06 9:58 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>From a friend:
>>>
>>>Hi Rick,
>>>
>>>It seems that people getting jyotish consultations
>>>from International are now being told they are in
>>>different dasas to their previoyus readings.  The
>>>reason given is that it is a new system for Sat Yuga.
>>>No-one gets to see the charts though so it is unknown
>>>what the system is.  Any of your friends know about
>>>it?
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>R
>>>  
>>>
>>A jyotish friend responded on the side:
>>
>>"the calculation is called shristi samvatsar and is based on a
>>calculation from the surya siddhanta.
>>    
>>
>
>The calculation is called "time for new improved product roll-out"
>since the old product is no longer selling.
>
>  
>
Scam-yuga?  I'll have to look up that calculation.  Jyotishis often look 
for all kinds of new rules when their predictions don't work out.  If 
you look at predictions in the abstract they tend to be pretty good 
indicators of what themes will be prevailing in your life.  But we seem 
to have these fools that think dashas are black and white and your every 
move can be determined from the horoscope.   I'm beginning to wonder if 
the planets are nothing but markers anyway for some yet undiscovered 
circadian rhythms.   The ancients merely used the positions of the 
planets to track the cycles.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
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>
> From a friend:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> It seems that people getting jyotish consultations
> from International are now being told they are in
> different dasas to their previoyus readings.  The
> reason given is that it is a new system for Sat Yuga.
> No-one gets to see the charts though so it is unknown
> what the system is.  Any of your friends know about
> it?
> 
> Regards
> 
> R


I've got the moon in the fourth house and virgo rising, does this 
news mean I'm going to stop thinking astrology is a load of bollocks?












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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> on 5/2/06 9:58 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > From a friend:
> > 
> > Hi Rick,
> > 
> > It seems that people getting jyotish consultations
> > from International are now being told they are in
> > different dasas to their previoyus readings.  The
> > reason given is that it is a new system for Sat Yuga.
> > No-one gets to see the charts though so it is unknown
> > what the system is.  Any of your friends know about
> > it?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > R
> 
> A jyotish friend responded on the side:
> 
> "the calculation is called shristi samvatsar and is based on a
> calculation from the surya siddhanta.

The calculation is called "time for new improved product roll-out"
since the old product is no longer selling.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Jyotish

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> From a friend:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> It seems that people getting jyotish consultations
> from International are now being told they are in
> different dasas to their previoyus readings.  The
> reason given is that it is a new system for Sat Yuga.
> No-one gets to see the charts though so it is unknown
> what the system is.  Any of your friends know about
> it?
> 
> Regards
> 
> R
>
Kind of like New Coke and Classic Coke? 
I feel Service Marks (maybe patents?) comming on... 
The question is: Is there a lawsuit dasa? 


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