[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: After reading quite a few posts here at Fairfield, I have to admit, the Turquoise jewel does make some sense and even with the sometimes rude awakening, he seems like a nice person. Anyways, was the Ravi poster, actually Turquoise in disguise? Just wondering as I whistle. Now you've done it...the TurquoiseB haters will be on *your* ass now. :-) For the record, Ravi wasn't me. Unlike, say, many of the participants in the BATGAP forum, I don't need to surround myself with clones of myself to serve as foils or Yes men to what I say. Count yerself lucky...what would this forum be like if there were more than one of me here? :-) From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 21 May, 2010 1:09:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: thx, excellent points! I don't have time to go into this topic at length; but basically in answer to question posed in the Bible Who is your Brother's Keeper;...if Brother/Sister ends only two doors down, I take issue with that. A certain Buddhist perspective (which I groked from various Teachers) is that I am responsible for everything and everybody in the universe. Therefore I personally am responsible for Ravi. otoh, if you prefer not to take such responsibility, that's ok with me. ... then the questions you posed: first, praying (I usually pray/ chant in conjunction with various Deities/Yidams such as Kali, Kwan Yin, etc)...IS DOING something. The enery circulates in the inner planes. The energy of pujas, Yagyas, prayers, etc; eventually manifests physically. By doing something I assume you mean on the physical plane of existence. That's a very limited pov. My point is that among many long-term spiritual seekers, it's the POV they consider last, or never consider at all. They've been told for so many decades that their mere Woo Woo is *enough* to resolve situations they find unpleasant, so that is the only solution they think of, or try. In this particular case, *Ravi's* fantasies all revolve around how powerful he is, how much he is affecting those who interact with him, how just *by* interacting with them these people *who are criticizing him and/or laughing at him* have become his disciples, his students, and how he is in charge, controlling the situation, always winning. In other words, he is essentially the *end product* of this belief system. Have we not seen the *same* belief system around here before? True, not expressed in such a socio- pathic manner, but I'm thinkin' Déja Mu. I *understand* the points Bhairitu made about Ravi just being Indian, and to some extent they are valid, and IMO have exacerbated the situation. Anyone who believes that having been born Brahmin makes him better or more evolved than anyone else is IMO already several miles down the road to madness, even before you throw a little runaway shakti into the mix. Someone with the kinds of 'tudes about *women* that he has expressed here *grew up with them*; they didn't happen overnight as the result of an awakening of any kind. But still, the overall *act* strikes me as familiar, and a little disturbingly so. Part of the TM dogma, ferchissakes, has always been the low-vibeness of having to act on the level of action to resolve a situation. We're talking about an organization that charges its followers *money* to pray for them to gods and goddesses so that they won't *have* to act themselves (TM Yagyas). And we're talking about an organization in which this 'tude (reluctance to get involved and act physically) has led to at least one murder (Levi Butler). I don't think it's out of line to point out stuff like this. I was *not* trying to slam you personally for your suggestion. I was merely rapping about parallels I see in the suggestion to points of dogma I see as less than completely healthy. Relying on prayer or meditation to invoke the good graces of the gods, or to add a little more collective energy or Woo Woo into the mix strikes me as something one does when in a drought and hoping for rain or when hoping for something tenuous and theoretical like world peace. I find it less impressive and practical when the wolf is at the door, or when someone's family might really need protecting. That's all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be. Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of advice that got Ravi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
Yes, Turq. --- On Sat, 5/22/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 3:10 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: After reading quite a few posts here at Fairfield, I have to admit, the Turquoise jewel does make some sense and even with the sometimes rude awakening, he seems like a nice person. Anyways, was the Ravi poster, actually Turquoise in disguise? Just wondering as I whistle. Now you've done it...the TurquoiseB haters will be on *your* ass now. :-) For the record, Ravi wasn't me. Unlike, say, many of the participants in the BATGAP forum, I don't need to surround myself with clones of myself to serve as foils or Yes men to what I say. Count yerself lucky...what would this forum be like if there were more than one of me here? :-) From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 21 May, 2010 1:09:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: thx, excellent points! I don't have time to go into this topic at length; but basically in answer to question posed in the Bible Who is your Brother's Keeper;...if Brother/Sister ends only two doors down, I take issue with that. A certain Buddhist perspective (which I groked from various Teachers) is that I am responsible for everything and everybody in the universe. Therefore I personally am responsible for Ravi. otoh, if you prefer not to take such responsibility, that's ok with me. ... then the questions you posed: first, praying (I usually pray/ chant in conjunction with various Deities/Yidams such as Kali, Kwan Yin, etc)...IS DOING something. The enery circulates in the inner planes. The energy of pujas, Yagyas, prayers, etc; eventually manifests physically. By doing something I assume you mean on the physical plane of existence. That's a very limited pov. My point is that among many long-term spiritual seekers, it's the POV they consider last, or never consider at all. They've been told for so many decades that their mere Woo Woo is *enough* to resolve situations they find unpleasant, so that is the only solution they think of, or try. In this particular case, *Ravi's* fantasies all revolve around how powerful he is, how much he is affecting those who interact with him, how just *by* interacting with them these people *who are criticizing him and/or laughing at him* have become his disciples, his students, and how he is in charge, controlling the situation, always winning. In other words, he is essentially the *end product* of this belief system. Have we not seen the *same* belief system around here before? True, not expressed in such a socio- pathic manner, but I'm thinkin' Déja Mu. I *understand* the points Bhairitu made about Ravi just being Indian, and to some extent they are valid, and IMO have exacerbated the situation. Anyone who believes that having been born Brahmin makes him better or more evolved than anyone else is IMO already several miles down the road to madness, even before you throw a little runaway shakti into the mix. Someone with the kinds of 'tudes about *women* that he has expressed here *grew up with them*; they didn't happen overnight as the result of an awakening of any kind. But still, the overall *act* strikes me as familiar, and a little disturbingly so. Part of the TM dogma, ferchissakes, has always been the low-vibeness of having to act on the level of action to resolve a situation. We're talking about an organization that charges its followers *money* to pray for them to gods and goddesses so that they won't *have* to act themselves (TM Yagyas). And we're talking about an organization in which this 'tude (reluctance to get involved and act physically) has led to at least one murder (Levi Butler). I don't think it's out of line to point out stuff like this. I was *not* trying to slam you personally for your suggestion. I was merely rapping about parallels I see in the suggestion to points of dogma I see as less than completely healthy. Relying on prayer or meditation to invoke the good graces of the gods, or to add a little more collective energy or Woo Woo into the mix strikes me as something one does when in a drought and hoping for rain or when hoping for something tenuous and theoretical like world peace. I find it less impressive and practical when the wolf is at the door, or when someone's family might really need protecting
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Yes, Turq. Dude, you just screwed up my perfect record... :-) --- On Sat, 5/22/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: For the record, ... I don't need to surround myself with clones of myself to serve as foils or Yes men to what I say.
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; ) From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 21 May, 2010 9:26:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: After reading quite a few posts here at Fairfield, I have to admit, the Turquoise jewel does make some sense ROTFL! and even with the sometimes rude awakening, he seems like a nice person. Well, you've just done a nice job inoculating yourself against his viciousness. Smart move.
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Au contraire! Blowing a bit of Holy Smoke at ya! With your uncanny gabfest ability... I still think you are also Ravi. When Ravi disappeared your posts went on reading about what type of cell phone is the better, etc. Pulled your hand from the cookie jar, but still got caught? From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 22 May, 2010 2:10:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: After reading quite a few posts here at Fairfield, I have to admit, the Turquoise jewel does make some sense and even with the sometimes rude awakening, he seems like a nice person. Anyways, was the Ravi poster, actually Turquoise in disguise? Just wondering as I whistle. Now you've done it...the TurquoiseB haters will be on *your* ass now. :-) For the record, Ravi wasn't me. Unlike, say, many of the participants in the BATGAP forum, I don't need to surround myself with clones of myself to serve as foils or Yes men to what I say. Count yerself lucky...what would this forum be like if there were more than one of me here? :-) From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 21 May, 2010 1:09:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: thx, excellent points! I don't have time to go into this topic at length; but basically in answer to question posed in the Bible Who is your Brother's Keeper;...if Brother/Sister ends only two doors down, I take issue with that. A certain Buddhist perspective (which I groked from various Teachers) is that I am responsible for everything and everybody in the universe. Therefore I personally am responsible for Ravi. otoh, if you prefer not to take such responsibility, that's ok with me. ... then the questions you posed: first, praying (I usually pray/ chant in conjunction with various Deities/Yidams such as Kali, Kwan Yin, etc)...IS DOING something. The enery circulates in the inner planes. The energy of pujas, Yagyas, prayers, etc; eventually manifests physically. By doing something I assume you mean on the physical plane of existence. That's a very limited pov. My point is that among many long-term spiritual seekers, it's the POV they consider last, or never consider at all. They've been told for so many decades that their mere Woo Woo is *enough* to resolve situations they find unpleasant, so that is the only solution they think of, or try. In this particular case, *Ravi's* fantasies all revolve around how powerful he is, how much he is affecting those who interact with him, how just *by* interacting with them these people *who are criticizing him and/or laughing at him* have become his disciples, his students, and how he is in charge, controlling the situation, always winning. In other words, he is essentially the *end product* of this belief system. Have we not seen the *same* belief system around here before? True, not expressed in such a socio- pathic manner, but I'm thinkin' Déja Mu. I *understand* the points Bhairitu made about Ravi just being Indian, and to some extent they are valid, and IMO have exacerbated the situation. Anyone who believes that having been born Brahmin makes him better or more evolved than anyone else is IMO already several miles down the road to madness, even before you throw a little runaway shakti into the mix. Someone with the kinds of 'tudes about *women* that he has expressed here *grew up with them*; they didn't happen overnight as the result of an awakening of any kind. But still, the overall *act* strikes me as familiar, and a little disturbingly so. Part of the TM dogma, ferchissakes, has always been the low-vibeness of having to act on the level of action to resolve a situation. We're talking about an organization that charges its followers *money* to pray for them to gods and goddesses so that they won't *have* to act themselves (TM Yagyas). And we're talking about an organization in which this 'tude (reluctance to get involved and act physically) has led to at least one murder (Levi Butler). I don't think it's out of line to point out stuff like this. I was *not* trying to slam you personally for your suggestion. I was merely rapping about parallels I see in the suggestion to points of dogma I see as less than completely healthy. Relying on prayer or meditation to invoke the good graces of the gods, or to add a little more collective energy or Woo Woo into the mix strikes me as something one does when in a drought and hoping for rain or when hoping for something tenuous and theoretical like world peace. I find it less
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Au contraire! Blowing a bit of Holy Smoke at ya! With your uncanny gabfest ability... I still think you are also Ravi. Nonsense. I am Spartacus.
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On May 22, 2010, at 10:04 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Au contraire! Blowing a bit of Holy Smoke at ya! With your uncanny gabfest ability... I still think you are also Ravi. Nonsense. I am Spartacus. I am woman, hear me roar... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 22, 2010, at 10:04 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc108@ wrote: Au contraire! Blowing a bit of Holy Smoke at ya! With your uncanny gabfest ability... I still think you are also Ravi. Nonsense. I am Spartacus. I am woman, hear me roar... I thought that 'Spartacus' had a more UC feel to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFbCS4a14J4 but hey!, roaring women are neat, too. :-)
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I think Dr. Pete came back after he saw all the hands shoot up after I asked my question the other day. TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Yes, Turq. Dude, you just screwed up my perfect record... :-) --- On Sat, 5/22/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: For the record, ... I don't need to surround myself with clones of myself to serve as foils or Yes men to what I say.
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Like this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvUgSXwRg0A From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 22 May, 2010 10:23:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 22, 2010, at 10:04 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc108@ wrote: Au contraire! Blowing a bit of Holy Smoke at ya! With your uncanny gabfest ability... I still think you are also Ravi. Nonsense. I am Spartacus. I am woman, hear me roar... I thought that 'Spartacus' had a more UC feel to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFbCS4a14J4 but hey!, roaring women are neat, too. :-)
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Like this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvUgSXwRg0A From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 22 May, 2010 10:23:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 22, 2010, at 10:04 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc108@ wrote: Au contraire! Blowing a bit of Holy Smoke at ya! With your uncanny gabfest ability... I still think you are also Ravi. Nonsense. I am Spartacus. I am woman, hear me roar... I thought that 'Spartacus' had a more UC feel to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFbCS4a14J4 but hey!, roaring women are neat, too. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
Jim always bitched about his awakening. You hassled him and booted him out of this forum. Maybe he is happy to get his daily dose of ' MoonShine dope ' at BATGAP.?? --- On Sat, 5/22/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 12:10 AM Now you've done it...the TurquoiseB haters will be on *your* ass now. :-) For the record, Ravi wasn't me. Unlike, say, many of the participants in the BATGAP forum, I don't need to surround myself with clones of myself to serve as foils or Yes men to what I say. Count yerself lucky...what would this forum be like if there were more than one of me here? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: thx, excellent points! I don't have time to go into this topic at length; but basically in answer to question posed in the Bible Who is your Brother's Keeper;...if Brother/Sister ends only two doors down, I take issue with that. A certain Buddhist perspective (which I groked from various Teachers) is that I am responsible for everything and everybody in the universe. Therefore I personally am responsible for Ravi. otoh, if you prefer not to take such responsibility, that's ok with me. ... then the questions you posed: first, praying (I usually pray/chant in conjunction with various Deities/Yidams such as Kali, Kwan Yin, etc)...IS DOING something. The enery circulates in the inner planes. The energy of pujas, Yagyas, prayers, etc; eventually manifests physically. By doing something I assume you mean on the physical plane of existence. That's a very limited pov. My point is that among many long-term spiritual seekers, it's the POV they consider last, or never consider at all. They've been told for so many decades that their mere Woo Woo is *enough* to resolve situations they find unpleasant, so that is the only solution they think of, or try. In this particular case, *Ravi's* fantasies all revolve around how powerful he is, how much he is affecting those who interact with him, how just *by* interacting with them these people *who are criticizing him and/or laughing at him* have become his disciples, his students, and how he is in charge, controlling the situation, always winning. In other words, he is essentially the *end product* of this belief system. Have we not seen the *same* belief system around here before? True, not expressed in such a socio- pathic manner, but I'm thinkin' Déja Mu. I *understand* the points Bhairitu made about Ravi just being Indian, and to some extent they are valid, and IMO have exacerbated the situation. Anyone who believes that having been born Brahmin makes him better or more evolved than anyone else is IMO already several miles down the road to madness, even before you throw a little runaway shakti into the mix. Someone with the kinds of 'tudes about *women* that he has expressed here *grew up with them*; they didn't happen overnight as the result of an awakening of any kind. But still, the overall *act* strikes me as familiar, and a little disturbingly so. Part of the TM dogma, ferchissakes, has always been the low-vibeness of having to act on the level of action to resolve a situation. We're talking about an organization that charges its followers *money* to pray for them to gods and goddesses so that they won't *have* to act themselves (TM Yagyas). And we're talking about an organization in which this 'tude (reluctance to get involved and act physically) has led to at least one murder (Levi Butler). I don't think it's out of line to point out stuff like this. I was *not* trying to slam you personally for your suggestion. I was merely rapping about parallels I see in the suggestion to points of dogma I see as less than completely healthy. Relying on prayer or meditation to invoke the good graces of the gods, or to add a little more collective energy or Woo Woo into the mix strikes me as something one does when in a drought and hoping for rain or when hoping for something tenuous and theoretical like world peace. I find it less impressive and practical when the wolf is at the door, or when someone's family might really need protecting. That's all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be. Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of advice that got Ravi *into* this situation? Why does it strike me as the kind of belief that got Levi Butler killed? I know I'm supposed to be watch- ing this guy, but I've got to go meditate right now. Nothing bad can possibly happen if I do that. Where's the point at which people stop praying and DO SOMETHING? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man. :-) Oh Jesus. I can just feel Edg on some rock outcropping ready to pounce. Having the same suspicion, allow me to pour gasoline on the fire of obsession with an old joke: If God had not intended men to eat pussy, He wouldn't have made it look so much like a taco. :-)
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TurquoiseB wrote: I *understand* the points Bhairitu made about Ravi just being Indian, and to some extent they are valid, and IMO have exacerbated the situation. Anyone who believes that having been born Brahmin makes him better or more evolved than anyone else is IMO already several miles down the road to madness, even before you throw a little runaway shakti into the mix. Someone with the kinds of 'tudes about *women* that he has expressed here *grew up with them*; they didn't happen overnight as the result of an awakening of any kind. Not only having been to India and also knowing a number of Indian folks locally I also had a couple of Indian engineers work for in the 1990s. One was very much like Ravi and a wild wacky guy. But we all had fun with him as that wackiness is much more tolerable and taken as kidding when you are with someone like that face to face (where you can see the tongue in cheek). The other engineer was quite and serious but a helluva nice guy too. Chatting a local ayurveda practitioner who though looked like a typical American (or white guy) turned out to be the son of the Indian woman running the grocery (dad must have been a white guy.). He told me that his ayurvedic teacher in India told him that most Indians are vata in vakriti and with a grin on his face pointed out that if you think about it a bit you can see why. Ravi may well be flying high in the stratosphere with a vata imbalance (somewhat useful if your job is to find creative solutions to software problems). And as such might not give a damn about what impression he leaves. Line on air? And Ravi, if you're reading which you say you are I may give you a call sometime and we can get together over espresso or chai maybe over your way. And I may bring along Swami Abhayanand too. Of course then I'll probably be blessed with a two way Hindi conversation though Swami when that happens often asks the other party to speak English so I'm not left out. My Hindi is a little rusty these days. ;-)
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After reading quite a few posts here at Fairfield, I have to admit, the Turquoise jewel does make some sense and even with the sometimes rude awakening, he seems like a nice person. Anyways, was the Ravi poster, actually Turquoise in disguise? Just wondering as I whistle. From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 21 May, 2010 1:09:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: thx, excellent points! I don't have time to go into this topic at length; but basically in answer to question posed in the Bible Who is your Brother's Keeper;...if Brother/Sister ends only two doors down, I take issue with that. A certain Buddhist perspective (which I groked from various Teachers) is that I am responsible for everything and everybody in the universe. Therefore I personally am responsible for Ravi. otoh, if you prefer not to take such responsibility, that's ok with me. ... then the questions you posed: first, praying (I usually pray/chant in conjunction with various Deities/Yidams such as Kali, Kwan Yin, etc)...IS DOING something. The enery circulates in the inner planes. The energy of pujas, Yagyas, prayers, etc; eventually manifests physically. By doing something I assume you mean on the physical plane of existence. That's a very limited pov. My point is that among many long-term spiritual seekers, it's the POV they consider last, or never consider at all. They've been told for so many decades that their mere Woo Woo is *enough* to resolve situations they find unpleasant, so that is the only solution they think of, or try. In this particular case, *Ravi's* fantasies all revolve around how powerful he is, how much he is affecting those who interact with him, how just *by* interacting with them these people *who are criticizing him and/or laughing at him* have become his disciples, his students, and how he is in charge, controlling the situation, always winning. In other words, he is essentially the *end product* of this belief system. Have we not seen the *same* belief system around here before? True, not expressed in such a socio- pathic manner, but I'm thinkin' Déja Mu. I *understand* the points Bhairitu made about Ravi just being Indian, and to some extent they are valid, and IMO have exacerbated the situation. Anyone who believes that having been born Brahmin makes him better or more evolved than anyone else is IMO already several miles down the road to madness, even before you throw a little runaway shakti into the mix. Someone with the kinds of 'tudes about *women* that he has expressed here *grew up with them*; they didn't happen overnight as the result of an awakening of any kind. But still, the overall *act* strikes me as familiar, and a little disturbingly so. Part of the TM dogma, ferchissakes, has always been the low-vibeness of having to act on the level of action to resolve a situation. We're talking about an organization that charges its followers *money* to pray for them to gods and goddesses so that they won't *have* to act themselves (TM Yagyas). And we're talking about an organization in which this 'tude (reluctance to get involved and act physically) has led to at least one murder (Levi Butler). I don't think it's out of line to point out stuff like this. I was *not* trying to slam you personally for your suggestion. I was merely rapping about parallels I see in the suggestion to points of dogma I see as less than completely healthy. Relying on prayer or meditation to invoke the good graces of the gods, or to add a little more collective energy or Woo Woo into the mix strikes me as something one does when in a drought and hoping for rain or when hoping for something tenuous and theoretical like world peace. I find it less impressive and practical when the wolf is at the door, or when someone's family might really need protecting. That's all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be. Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of advice that got Ravi *into* this situation? Why does it strike me as the kind of belief that got Levi Butler killed? I know I'm supposed to be watch- ing this guy, but I've got to go meditate right now. Nothing bad can possibly happen if I do that. Where's the point at which people stop praying and DO SOMETHING? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: After reading quite a few posts here at Fairfield, I have to admit, the Turquoise jewel does make some sense ROTFL! and even with the sometimes rude awakening, he seems like a nice person. Well, you've just done a nice job inoculating yourself against his viciousness. Smart move.
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You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick. Any other ordinary enlightened folks you want to share with us? I'm thinkin' that this one spent too much time around the gas pumps, and the fumes have gotten to him. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior, he is right now in Kaali Bhava.Please read carefully. Bitches that don't have any experiences - positive or negative, please do comment negatively, I want to feed on you..:-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
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What is it called? Making an exception on humanitarian grounds. That's what I would say. I think he needs us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: What is it called? Making an exception on humanitarian grounds. That's what I would say. I think he needs us. He doesn't need *us*. He needs professional help, and *fast*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
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authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: What is it called? Making an exception on humanitarian grounds. That's what I would say. I think he needs us. He doesn't need *us*. He needs professional help, and *fast*. He sounds like a typical DESI to me. :-D
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Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28. We now return you to your regularly scheduled badminton games.
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Hard to know how much is just psychotic raving and how much indicates serious intent to do harm to himself or others, but you can't just wait around to find out in a situation like this. It's a mental health emergency. tart: One point for bluster-- I checked his twitter page -- and he has one follower. He is tweeting to no one essentially. So, you're a Ravi Twitter Reader informant. It seem a obvious first step for the Amma people to work with him. I e-mailed them yesterday -- but no response... And, you're thinking Ravi needs professional help?
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28. I told Ravi about the 50-post limit on his first day. If he has exceeded it, he should take a breather for a week like anyone else.
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Maybe Rick ought to try a show where he interviews ordinary people but with the same questions he asked the awakened. And these should not be folks from Fairfield but off the streets of Chicago or New York. Might be hilarious. Might be picked up by HBO. ;-) TurquoiseB wrote: You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick. Any other ordinary enlightened folks you want to share with us? I'm thinkin' that this one spent too much time around the gas pumps, and the fumes have gotten to him. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior, he is right now in Kaali Bhava.Please read carefully. Bitches that don't have any experiences - positive or negative, please do comment negatively, I want to feed on you..:-)
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER. I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted.
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Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28... Bhairitu We now return you to your regularly scheduled badminton games. Do they have any 'badminton games' on cable TV - you could record them, I guess.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:10 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick. Any other ordinary enlightened folks you want to share with us? How 'bout you?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hard to know how much is just psychotic raving and how much indicates serious intent to do harm to himself or others, but you can't just wait around to find out in a situation like this. It's a mental health emergency. Yes. It may be all bluster. but he seems so out of it who knows what he may do. It's conceivable the whole thing is a put-on, I suppose, designed to get us all upset. But there's something not right with a person who would try to pull that kind of stunt in the first place. Given all the physical threats, even if it's just alarmism, it's warranted. The potential consequences if nothing is done and he really is having a psychotic break could be vastly worse than if the authorities were called in and it turned out to be a hoax. snip IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER. I don't have the sense Rick quite gets how serious this could be. Emails to Ravi asking how he's doing are not likely to accomplish anything useful.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick. Any other ordinary enlightened folks you want to share with us? How 'bout you? LOL. Not likely. The flashes of realization I've had in the past were fun, but fleeting. I neither seek nor particularly revere them these days. In retrospect, the best experiences of higher states of consciousness I have had in the past are no better to me in any way than the everyday experience of eating a taco. Really. Thus I don't think I'm a likely candidate for filling 90 minutes talking about them. If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man. :-)
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:56 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick. Any other ordinary enlightened folks you want to share with us? How 'bout you? LOL. Not likely. The flashes of realization I've had in the past were fun, but fleeting. I neither seek nor particularly revere them these days. In retrospect, the best experiences of higher states of consciousness I have had in the past are no better to me in any way than the everyday experience of eating a taco. Really. Thus I don't think I'm a likely candidate for filling 90 minutes talking about them. If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man. :-) Might take me up on that, but first you'll have to take me out for tacos.
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On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER. I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted. Let me get this straight, Rick. A guy makes numerous posts that could be interpreted as violently threatening and indicating that he could very possibly be in the throes of a psychotic breakdown--and you email that same person to ask...what? If he's OK? I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing with any form of unpleasantness from a person you previously touted as awakened. By all means don't do anything if you don't feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for him. I just hope what you did do isn't used by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by all appearances, he's on the verge of some serious doo-doo here. Sal
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RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER. I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted. Let me get this straight, Rick. A guy makes numerous posts that could be interpreted as violently threatening and indicating that he could very possibly be in the throes of a psychotic breakdown--and you email that same person to ask...what? If he's OK? I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing with any form of unpleasantness from a person you previously touted as awakened. By all means don't do anything if you don't feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for him. I just hope what you did do isn't used by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by all appearances, he's on the verge of some serious doo-doo here. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER. I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted. Let me get this straight, Rick. A guy makes numerous posts that could be interpreted as violently threatening and indicating that he could very possibly be in the throes of a psychotic breakdown--and you email that same person to ask...what? If he's OK? I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing with any form of unpleasantness from a person you previously touted as awakened. By all means don't do anything if you don't feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for him. I just hope what you did do isn't used by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by all appearances, he's on the verge of some serious doo-doo here. Sal Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can Rick do that anyone else here can't do?
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pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER. I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted. Let me get this straight, Rick. A guy makes numerous posts that could be interpreted as violently threatening and indicating that he could very possibly be in the throes of a psychotic breakdown--and you email that same person to ask...what? If he's OK? I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing with any form of unpleasantness from a person you previously touted as awakened. By all means don't do anything if you don't feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for him. I just hope what you did do isn't used by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by all appearances, he's on the verge of some serious doo-doo here. Sal Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can Rick do that anyone else here can't do?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: snip Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can Rick do that anyone else here can't do? Rick knows him personally. It's not Rick's responsibility per se, but he's in a better position to do something than anyone else here, obviously.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be. Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of advice that got Ravi *into* this situation? Why does it strike me as the kind of belief that got Levi Butler killed? I know I'm supposed to be watch- ing this guy, but I've got to go meditate right now. Nothing bad can possibly happen if I do that. Where's the point at which people stop praying and DO SOMETHING? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER. I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted. Let me get this straight, Rick. A guy makes numerous posts that could be interpreted as violently threatening and indicating that he could very possibly be in the throes of a psychotic breakdown--and you email that same person to ask...what? If he's OK? I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing with any form of unpleasantness from a person you previously touted as awakened. By all means don't do anything if you don't feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for him. I just hope what you did do isn't used by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by all appearances, he's on the verge of some serious doo-doo here. Sal Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can Rick do that anyone else here can't do?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER. I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted. Let me get this straight, Rick. A guy makes numerous posts that could be interpreted as violently threatening and indicating that he could very possibly be in the throes of a psychotic breakdown--and you email that same person to ask...what? If he's OK? I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing with any form of unpleasantness from a person you previously touted as awakened. By all means don't do anything if you don't feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for him. I just hope what you did do isn't used by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by all appearances, he's on the verge of some serious doo-doo here. Sal Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can Rick do that anyone else here can't do? Well, my thoughts were 1) Rick appears to be the only one on FFL who has had personal contact with him -- and probably has his phone # 2) Ravi says he 'loves Rick and thus may listen more to him than others. 3) Rick is connected to AMMA org and could make phone calls to Bay area and pheonix to have some one check on him 4) Rick apppears networked with a lot of people and may have others that could help check on him (and his wife and kids) 5) Ricks actons in interviewing him and inviting him to FFL may have inadvertently triggered something in Ravi. While in no way is Rick to blame, still it is not a bizzarre concept that he might take some steps to help Ravi out. On a broader level, Jim on BatGap says Ravi is fine, that he just drinks too much coffee. That may be the case. However, if Ravi is an example of a fully awakened enlightened being simply on a bit too much coffee, I have lost much taste for all of this. And some of the other interviewees seemed a bit brittle. I question the premise of inviting people to share with the world their enlightenment without any sort of screening. For those that are on the edge, this is throwing gas on the fire of self-engrandizement. But of course, all of us could do things to help. Thats why I asked rick to clarify what he is doing so we don't overlap or counteract each other's steps. However, since others in Bay Area also seem concerned, they had the police visit him, maybe all that can be done is being done -- at at professional level. Still, getting Amma folks in Bay Area involved, to help check him out and guide him through this if he is out of it seems prudent. This week has been enlightening in many ways.
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On May 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, yifuxero wrote: pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good- will may steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be. Some Vitamin H might be a better suggestion. Maybe they could get a volume discount for the BATGAP list? Too bad MAPI doesn't sell it...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be. Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of advice that got Ravi *into* this situation? Oh, you know what kind of advice it was that got Ravi into this situation? Do tell us. Why does it strike me as the kind of belief that got Levi Butler killed? I know I'm supposed to be watch- ing this guy, but I've got to go meditate right now. Nothing bad can possibly happen if I do that. Why? Because you're a horse's ass, that's why. Where's the point at which people stop praying and DO SOMETHING? Nobody has advocated praying *instead of* doing something concrete. Some of us (not you) have been doing everything we can think of to galvanize those who are in a position to do something into action. I emailed Rick three days ago and several times since; so have others. This was well before you even realized Ravi might be in trouble; you were too busy swinging your dick at him and comparing him to Jim Flanegin to notice. Now that everybody else has figured it out, you're embarrassed, and as usual you're trying to take it out on other people.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can Rick do that anyone else here can't do? Here's what I said to him: Ravi, what's up with you? I'm getting emails all day long from people concerned about your well-being and that of the people around you. I don't have time to read all these things you're writing, but they seem pretty nutty to me. If you are sane, and genuinely awakened, don't you feel some obligation to do good in the world? Do you think you're helping people with all this stuff. Are you just entertaining yourself by acting crazy and seeing how others react? If you are as disturbed as these posts make you sound, then you need help, and I hope you seek it. Amma is coming soon, but you may need help sooner than that. Please give me a straight answer. I'm concerned too. -- I don't have any way to contact him other than email and Skype, and his Skype account is inactive at the moment. If you do a Google search, you get this: Ravi Chivukula (510) 438-8956 Fremont, CA 94536- Maybe I'll try calling him tonight, but someone said he had gone to Phoenix.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
Another FFL reader/Amma devotee contacted the head of Amma's organization in the US. He said he'd bring it to Amma's attention. I sent him Ravi's phone number and suggested that he may have some Bay area friends who could intervene. Of course, neither of these may be sufficient. He may need some mandatory professional help.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
Thanks for doing that Rick --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Another FFL reader/Amma devotee contacted the head of Amma's organization in the US. He said he'd bring it to Amma's attention. I sent him Ravi's phone number and suggested that he may have some Bay area friends who could intervene. Of course, neither of these may be sufficient. He may need some mandatory professional help.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can Rick do that anyone else here can't do? Here's what I said to him: Ravi, what's up with you? I'm getting emails all day long from people concerned about your well-being and that of the people around you. I don't have time to read all these things you're writing, but they seem pretty nutty to me. If you are sane, and genuinely awakened, don't you feel some obligation to do good in the world? Do you think you're helping people with all this stuff. Are you just entertaining yourself by acting crazy and seeing how others react? If you are as disturbed as these posts make you sound, then you need help, and I hope you seek it. Amma is coming soon, but you may need help sooner than that. Please give me a straight answer. I'm concerned too. -- I don't have any way to contact him other than email and Skype, and his Skype account is inactive at the moment. If you do a Google search, you get this: Ravi Chivukula (510) 438-8956 Fremont, CA 94536- Maybe I'll try calling him tonight, but someone said he had gone to Phoenix. He left a different number here yesterday. I swear most people here don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY. Indians are a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun posting here and really didn't care if he got bumped off the group for over posting. To him it is fun pushing a bunch of gullible American's buttons.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: snip He left a different number here yesterday. I swear most people here don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY. Indians are a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun posting here and really didn't care if he got bumped off the group for over posting. To him it is fun pushing a bunch of gullible American's buttons. Could well be, but I'd rather be embarrassed by falling for a hoax than because I kept quiet and something awful happened. He's been doing an awfully convincing act of someone in the throes of serious psychosis, including death threats and threats of killing himself. I doubt even fun-loving, wacky Indians are up to this kind of gag.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip He left a different number here yesterday. I swear most people here don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY. Indians are a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun posting here and really didn't care if he got bumped off the group for over posting. To him it is fun pushing a bunch of gullible American's buttons. Could well be, but I'd rather be embarrassed by falling for a hoax than because I kept quiet and something awful happened. He's been doing an awfully convincing act of someone in the throes of serious psychosis, including death threats and threats of killing himself. I doubt even fun-loving, wacky Indians are up to this kind of gag. P.S.: People who are just kidding around pretending to be nuts are usually pretty *coherent*. Ravi's posts have been getting increasingly *incoherent*. Genuine incoherence is actually quite difficult to fake, especially at such length.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
I just had the one I found through Google, which was (510) 438-8956 I'll try to call him this evening. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. Rick, this was the number he gave in a post last night: 408-505-9815 Is this the one you have for him? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Another FFL reader/Amma devotee contacted the head of Amma's organization in the US. He said he'd bring it to Amma's attention. I sent him Ravi's phone number and suggested that he may have some Bay area friends who could intervene. Of course, neither of these may be sufficient. He may need some mandatory professional help.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
thx, excellent points! I don't have time to go into this topic at length; but basically in answer to question posed in the Bible Who is your Brother's Keeper;...if Brother/Sister ends only two doors down, I take issue with that. A certain Buddhist perspective (which I groked from various Teachers) is that I am responsible for everything and everybody in the universe. Therefore I personally am responsible for Ravi. otoh, if you prefer not to take such responsibility, that's ok with me. ... then the questions you posed: first, praying (I usually pray/chant in conjunction with various Deities/Yidams such as Kali, Kwan Yin, etc)...IS DOING something. The enery circulates in the inner planes. The energy of pujas, Yagyas, prayers, etc; eventually manifests physically. By doing something I assume you mean on the physical plane of existence. That's a very limited pov. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be. Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of advice that got Ravi *into* this situation? Why does it strike me as the kind of belief that got Levi Butler killed? I know I'm supposed to be watch- ing this guy, but I've got to go meditate right now. Nothing bad can possibly happen if I do that. Where's the point at which people stop praying and DO SOMETHING? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER. I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted. Let me get this straight, Rick. A guy makes numerous posts that could be interpreted as violently threatening and indicating that he could very possibly be in the throes of a psychotic breakdown--and you email that same person to ask...what? If he's OK? I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing with any form of unpleasantness from a person you previously touted as awakened. By all means don't do anything if you don't feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for him. I just hope what you did do isn't used by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by all appearances, he's on the verge of some serious doo-doo here. Sal Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can Rick do that anyone else here can't do?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip He left a different number here yesterday. I swear most people here don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY. Indians are a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun posting here and really didn't care if he got bumped off the group for over posting. To him it is fun pushing a bunch of gullible American's buttons. Could well be, but I'd rather be embarrassed by falling for a hoax than because I kept quiet and something awful happened. He's been doing an awfully convincing act of someone in the throes of serious psychosis, including death threats and threats of killing himself. I doubt even fun-loving, wacky Indians are up to this kind of gag. P.S.: People who are just kidding around pretending to be nuts are usually pretty *coherent*. Ravi's posts have been getting increasingly *incoherent*. Genuine incoherence is actually quite difficult to fake, especially at such length. Here's his latest public communication, posted a couple hours ago: https://twitter.com/chivukularavi/status/14379172642 Regardless of what I say the pimps at Fairfield life cant realize Krishna is a master of confusion, deception. cream of the top, get it !!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
Have you seen the youtubes of those Pakistani's playing badminton. Some kind of exercise there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28. We now return you to your regularly scheduled badminton games.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
I say let man have his posting priviledges back. Unless of course,that would prolong the episode. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: What is it called? Making an exception on humanitarian grounds. That's what I would say. I think he needs us. He doesn't need *us*. He needs professional help, and *fast*. He sounds like a typical DESI to me. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
Isn't this where they trot out Sandra Glickman. I didn't listen to the interview, but I think Rick said that she had no TMO background. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Maybe Rick ought to try a show where he interviews ordinary people but with the same questions he asked the awakened. And these should not be folks from Fairfield but off the streets of Chicago or New York. Might be hilarious. Might be picked up by HBO. ;-) TurquoiseB wrote: You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick. Any other ordinary enlightened folks you want to share with us? I'm thinkin' that this one spent too much time around the gas pumps, and the fumes have gotten to him. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior, he is right now in Kaali Bhava.Please read carefully. Bitches that don't have any experiences - positive or negative, please do comment negatively, I want to feed on you..:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
I can hear it now. Okay Ravi it is a seven day time limit. You are allowed 50 posts. You may engage the participants in any verbal manuveaurs you see fit. And They can respond with their own verbal manuveaurs. You will be called on any below the belt attacks, but they are not illegal. Okay, now I want to come out posting And the rest, as they say is FFL history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28. I told Ravi about the 50-post limit on his first day. If he has exceeded it, he should take a breather for a week like anyone else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man. :-) Oh Jesus. I can just feel Edg on some rock outcropping ready to pounce.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. I can hear it now. Okay Ravi it is a seven day time limit. You are allowed 50 posts. You may engage the participants in any verbal manuveaurs you see fit. And They can respond with their own verbal manuveaurs. You will be called on any below the belt attacks, but they are not illegal. Okay, now I want to come out posting And the rest, as they say is FFL history. All I told him was that folks on FFL were talking about him, due to his participation in BatGap, and that he might want to respond to their comments.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
so a manipulative too, just filled with goodness --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip He left a different number here yesterday. I swear most people here don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY. Indians are a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun posting here and really didn't care if he got bumped off the group for over posting. To him it is fun pushing a bunch of gullible American's buttons. Could well be, but I'd rather be embarrassed by falling for a hoax than because I kept quiet and something awful happened. He's been doing an awfully convincing act of someone in the throes of serious psychosis, including death threats and threats of killing himself. I doubt even fun-loving, wacky Indians are up to this kind of gag. P.S.: People who are just kidding around pretending to be nuts are usually pretty *coherent*. Ravi's posts have been getting increasingly *incoherent*. Genuine incoherence is actually quite difficult to fake, especially at such length. Here's his latest public communication, posted a couple hours ago: https://twitter.com/chivukularavi/status/14379172642 Regardless of what I say the pimps at Fairfield life cant realize Krishna is a master of confusion, deception. cream of the top, get it !!
