Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 21, 2009, at 12:01 PM, raunchydog wrote: I haven't seen you make such references to men, only to women, several times, and I pointed it out to you each time. You do realize that Rick's guru is a women who hugs people to help them embrace totality, right? I think he's an excellent representative of that embracing equanimity.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I'm a hit and run reader and poster on FFL. I don't have time to read all the posts in most threads, so I often form impressions based on partial information. I was talking with a friend last night who used to post regularly but who these days only lurks. He said that it was unfair to lump Judy and Raunchy together with regard to their criticisms of Obama. He opined that Judy had been much more fair and objective. So I'm sorry I did that Judy. Maybe I'll end up apologizing to Raunchy too, but I still get the impression that she couldn't bring herself to say anything positive about Obama, due to her emotional commitment to Hillary. Thank you, Rick. It occurred to me last night as I was reading Raunchy's post #219365 that the emotional component is not so much a matter of Hillary having lost as of *how* she lost, how incredibly unfairly and viciously she was treated by Obama's supporters--in the lefty blogs, by the Democratic Party, by the media, and of course by the right wingers, not to mention some of the people on FFL. And it wasn't just Hillary who was treated this way, it was her supporters as well. It does seem that Obama and Hillary have gotten over it. Maybe she's just stifling resentment because she's a good sport and she wants to be Secretary of State, but it looks like she and Obama have a close and cordial working relationship. Everyone had their favorites during the campaign and here too I don't claim to be objective, but it seems like all the candidates received pretty harsh treatment by their opponents' followers. Sure, Olbermann and others favored Obama over Hillary but Fox news trashed both of them in favor of McCain and later McCain/Palin. So it goes. Finally, I do think you owe her an apology for your initial comment about the two of us--that we wouldn't be criticizing Hillary, were she in the White House, for doing what Obama's been doing. That was way, way out of line, and it just reminds us of the kind of crap we had to put up with during the primary campaign. Can't apologize for that one 'cause I still see it that way. I don't know about you, but if Hillary were in there, making some of the same decisions Obama is making, Raunchy would be reacting very differently.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I'm a hit and run reader and poster on FFL. I don't have time to read all the posts in most threads, so I often form impressions based on partial information. I was talking with a friend last night who used to post regularly but who these days only lurks. He said that it was unfair to lump Judy and Raunchy together with regard to their criticisms of Obama. He opined that Judy had been much more fair and objective. So I'm sorry I did that Judy. Maybe I'll end up apologizing to Raunchy too, but I still get the impression that she couldn't bring herself to say anything positive about Obama, due to her emotional commitment to Hillary. Thank you, Rick. It occurred to me last night as I was reading Raunchy's post #219365 that the emotional component is not so much a matter of Hillary having lost as of *how* she lost, how incredibly unfairly and viciously she was treated by Obama's supporters--in the lefty blogs, by the Democratic Party, by the media, and of course by the right wingers, not to mention some of the people on FFL. And it wasn't just Hillary who was treated this way, it was her supporters as well. That left deep emotional scars (speaking of Barry's Cockburn quotes about tending to cause damage). Obama himself wasn't the instigator of most of it, but he did almost nothing to try to stop or mitigate it and even encouraged it at times. That's awfully hard to forgive. Not for sane people. It's OVER. Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. No kidding. Hard to believe that almost a year after Hillary conceded the nomination, and over 6 months since Obama soundly whipped McCain's ass, this insanity still goes on, complete with ugly names for Obama's supporters and a mean-spirited set of attacks on the supporters as well as Obama himself that seems to veer at times precipitously close to a personal vendetta, ie an irrational hatred that is not receptive to any kind of logical discussion. Obama has become the new Barry. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It occurred to me last night as I was reading Raunchy's post #219365 that the emotional component is not so much a matter of Hillary having lost as of *how* she lost, how incredibly unfairly and viciously she was treated by Obama's supporters--in the lefty blogs, by the Democratic Party, by the media, and of course by the right wingers, not to mention some of the people on FFL. And it wasn't just Hillary who was treated this way, it was her supporters as well. That left deep emotional scars (speaking of Barry's Cockburn quotes about tending to cause damage). Obama himself wasn't the instigator of most of it, but he did almost nothing to try to stop or mitigate it and even encouraged it at times. That's awfully hard to forgive. Not for sane people. It's OVER. Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. No kidding. Hard to believe that almost a year after Hillary conceded the nomination, and over 6 months since Obama soundly whipped McCain's ass, this insanity still goes on, complete with ugly names for Obama's supporters and a mean-spirited set of attacks on the supporters as well as Obama himself that seems to veer at times precipitously close to a personal vendetta, ie an irrational hatred that is not receptive to any kind of logical discussion. Obama has become the new Barry. :) Now THAT had me LOL. :-) Doncha *feel* for him? FIFTEEN YEARS from now Obama, by then my age (63) and retired gracefully from two successful terms as President, will come through New Jersey on a speaking tour and Judy, by then 103 (or at least looking it) will attend and scream out from the audience, Liar! Don't you remember what you said in a speech back in 2008? [waving a printout] I have a copy of it right here! Obama will laugh at her. But Judy, deciding that his laughter and compassionate silence at encountering Yet Another Crazy is sub- mission, will decide that she won the encounter. Then, having gotten a taste of the thrill of victory, she'll start stalking him all over the world, appearing at every one of his speaking engagements, yelling out the same stuff. The Secret Service assigned to Obama in retirement will offer to have her sent somewhere with padded walls, but being the compassionate mensch he is, Obama will decline the offer. Finally, tired of hearing the same old shit shouted by the same old windbag, the Secret Service agents will take matters into their own hands and cart her off to Bellevue themselves. Obama will never notice her absence, just as he never noticed her presence. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It occurred to me last night as I was reading Raunchy's post #219365 that the emotional component is not so much a matter of Hillary having lost as of *how* she lost, how incredibly unfairly and viciously she was treated by Obama's supporters--in the lefty blogs, by the Democratic Party, by the media, and of course by the right wingers, not to mention some of the people on FFL. And it wasn't just Hillary who was treated this way, it was her supporters as well. That left deep emotional scars (speaking of Barry's Cockburn quotes about tending to cause damage). Obama himself wasn't the instigator of most of it, but he did almost nothing to try to stop or mitigate it and even encouraged it at times. That's awfully hard to forgive. Not for sane people. It's OVER. Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. No kidding. Hard to believe that almost a year after Hillary conceded the nomination, and over 6 months since Obama soundly whipped McCain's ass, this insanity still goes on, complete with ugly names for Obama's supporters and a mean-spirited set of attacks on the supporters as well as Obama himself that seems to veer at times precipitously close to a personal vendetta, ie an irrational hatred that is not receptive to any kind of logical discussion. Obama has become the new Barry. :) Now THAT had me LOL. :-) Doncha *feel* for him? FIFTEEN YEARS from now Obama, by then my age (63) and retired gracefully from two successful terms as President, will come through New Jersey on a speaking tour and Judy, by then 103 (or at least looking it) will attend and scream out from the audience, Liar! Don't you remember what you said in a speech back in 2008? [waving a printout] I have a copy of it right here! Obama will laugh at her. But Judy, deciding that his laughter and compassionate silence at encountering Yet Another Crazy is sub- mission, will decide that she won the encounter. Then, having gotten a taste of the thrill of victory, she'll start stalking him all over the world, appearing at every one of his speaking engagements, yelling out the same stuff. The Secret Service assigned to Obama in retirement will offer to have her sent somewhere with padded walls, but being the compassionate mensch he is, Obama will decline the offer. Finally, tired of hearing the same old shit shouted by the same old windbag, the Secret Service agents will take matters into their own hands and cart her off to Bellevue themselves. Obama will never notice her absence, just as he never noticed her presence. :-) Good laughs, Barry. I don't think she realizes what a small world she lives in in her head.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. No kidding. Hard to believe that almost a year after Hillary conceded the nomination, and over 6 months since Obama soundly whipped McCain's ass, this insanity still goes on, complete with ugly names for Obama's supporters and a mean-spirited set of attacks on the supporters as well as Obama himself that seems to veer at times precipitously close to a personal vendetta, ie an irrational hatred that is not receptive to any kind of logical discussion. Obama has become the new Barry. :) Sal I think they are afraid of an actual articulate educated black man... just my theory
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 21, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Ben wrote: Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. No kidding. Hard to believe that almost a year after Hillary conceded the nomination, and over 6 months since Obama soundly whipped McCain's ass, this insanity still goes on, complete with ugly names for Obama's supporters and a mean-spirited set of attacks on the supporters as well as Obama himself that seems to veer at times precipitously close to a personal vendetta, ie an irrational hatred that is not receptive to any kind of logical discussion. Obama has become the new Barry. :) Sal I think they are afraid of an actual articulate educated black man... just my theory Uh, oh...I think I'm beginning to see why you like spiritual topics, Ben. :) Just wait for the response to this...and then duck!! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy Finally, I do think you owe her an apology for your initial comment about the two of us--that we wouldn't be criticizing Hillary, were she in the White House, for doing what Obama's been doing. That was way, way out of line, and it just reminds us of the kind of crap we had to put up with during the primary campaign. Can't apologize for that one 'cause I still see it that way. I don't know about you, but if Hillary were in there, making some of the same decisions Obama is making, Raunchy would be reacting very differently. Rick, you could not be more wrong about me. I take my first amendment rights as a citizen very seriously. If Hillary had voted against FISA in the Senate, which Obama did and she did not, I would have had serious doubts about her commitment to restore the constitution. If she had equivocated on a woman's right to choose, which Obama has and she has not, I would have been the first to call her a hypocrite and fight her tooth and nail. It is essential in a healthy democracy that we hold elected officials accountable, through petition, voting, and political activism, no matter who they are. I am happy to give credit where credit is due. Today in his speech on national security and terrorism Obama correctly pointed out that Bush had a haphazard, ineffective policy from the git-go at Gitmo. They rounded up a bunch of Al Qaeda but didn't know what to do with them. Obama made the case that we can protect the country without abandoning the Constitution. He said exactly what he needed to say, to give me hope that he might restore habeas corpus. Now let's see if he follows through. If he doesn't, will you hold him accountable? I will and you should as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
Judy, Thank you for putting into words exactly how I feel about the primary. It brought me to tears to know that you understand completely how painful it was to have witnessed such shameful, sexist, unrelenting, abuse of the first American woman ever to make such a powerful and historic bid for the presidency. You are correct that it is not Hillary's loss that bothers me; it is how she lost that is so incredibly galling. I feel unimaginable disgust for supposed progressive lefties and Democrats who trashed her. They are hypocrites, ever last one of them. They pretend to value equal rights for women but they treated Hillary with less respect than they would a worm. Their behavior toward her is utterly unforgivable. Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. I'm glad someone was keeping count, if only to serve as a reminder of the perils awaiting any woman brave enough to attempt a presidential run. If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. http://tinyurl.com/p4q7tt http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-sexism-watch-part-eighty.html I don't expect anyone on FFLife to get it. It's like date rape. No one empathizes with the woman or has any compassion for her. It's always, she asked for it, she enjoyed it, she deserved it, get over it, stop whining, she was a whore anyway, she just wants to ruin his reputation, she must be a lesbian, or why didn't she just cross her legs? Witness the abode of compassion on FFLife: Rick: Boo Hoo Hillary lost. Robert babajii_99: I am sorry the 'Girls got hurt'...But, girls are made to withstand more hurt than men. [This is the most ridiculous excuse for inflicting pain on a woman I have ever heard.] And from what I understand, their orgasms are more intense as well... Because they have twice as many nerve endings on their clitoris' As men have on their penis' [Astounding! the most bizarrely prurient non sequiturs I have ever read.] Barry: It's OVER. Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. [So says Mr. Sweetness and Light.] Vaj: Why on earth would a successful meditator still have lingering destructive emotions months after the original stressor? [He raped you, so what, get over it.] Isn't part of the TM model that unstressing will help with this kind of thing? Was she even angrier before she started meditating? After 30 years? I'm sorry, that's odd to me. It's not working. [Vaj's makes a gratuitous slam on TM in the guise of faux concern. How very evolved of him.] Sal: this insanity still goes on, complete with ugly names for Obama's supporters and a mean-spirited set of attacks on the supporters as well as Obama himself that seems to veer at times precipitously close to a personal vendetta [Sal doesn't bother to back up anything she says and she either missed the point of Judy's post entirely or she just chimed in with Barry out of habit.] Barry: Obama will laugh at her. But Judy, deciding that his laughter and compassionate silence at encountering Yet Another Crazy is sub-mission, will decide that she won the encounter. [Laughably, Barry's attack on Judy lets him win] do.rflex: Good laughs, Barry. I don't think she realizes what a small world she lives in in her head. [ad hominem attack and outright dismissal of Judy.] Ben: [In response to Sal] I think they are afraid of an actual articulate educated black man...just my theory [Obviously Ben has bought into the false meme that you are a racist if you don't support Obama. If he had read Judy's post, he would have known how far afield his theory is.] Ben brbenjaminassisi: Hilary is a whore. [Thank you for such an erudite observation. I rest my case.] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: It occurred to me last night as I was reading Raunchy's post #219365 that the emotional component is not so much a matter of Hillary having lost as of *how* she lost, how incredibly unfairly and viciously she was treated by Obama's supporters--in the lefty blogs, by the Democratic Party, by the media, and of course by the right wingers, not to mention some of the people on FFL. And it wasn't just Hillary who was treated this way, it was her supporters as well. That left deep emotional scars (speaking of Barry's Cockburn quotes about tending to cause damage). Obama himself wasn't the instigator of most of it, but he did almost nothing to try to stop or mitigate it and even encouraged it at times. That's awfully hard to forgive. It's entirely possible she'd have lost anyway had the attitudes toward her been different. It would still have been painful for those who found her genuinely inspiring and Obama considerably less so, but nowhere near what it was in the context of what actually went on. One's favorite candidate isn't necessarily going to win even in the fairest of campaigns, and when they lose, you move
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:59 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy Finally, I do think you owe her an apology for your initial comment about the two of us--that we wouldn't be criticizing Hillary, were she in the White House, for doing what Obama's been doing. That was way, way out of line, and it just reminds us of the kind of crap we had to put up with during the primary campaign. Can't apologize for that one 'cause I still see it that way. I don't know about you, but if Hillary were in there, making some of the same decisions Obama is making, Raunchy would be reacting very differently. Rick, you could not be more wrong about me. I take my first amendment rights as a citizen very seriously. If Hillary had voted against FISA in the Senate, which Obama did and she did not, I would have had serious doubts about her commitment to restore the constitution. If she had equivocated on a woman's right to choose, which Obama has and she has not, I would have been the first to call her a hypocrite and fight her tooth and nail. It is essential in a healthy democracy that we hold elected officials accountable, through petition, voting, and political activism, no matter who they are. I am happy to give credit where credit is due. Today in his speech on national security and terrorism Obama correctly pointed out that Bush had a haphazard, ineffective policy from the git-go at Gitmo. They rounded up a bunch of Al Qaeda but didn't know what to do with them. Obama made the case that we can protect the country without abandoning the Constitution. He said exactly what he needed to say, to give me hope that he might restore habeas corpus. Now let's see if he follows through. If he doesn't, will you hold him accountable? I will and you should as well. Agreed, and well put.
