[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > They got shakti that is alive in a > > way > > that by contrast the TMmovement group meditations are only a > > forlorn > > disheartened hope over what could have been with their movement. > > -Doug in FF > > So why on earth don't you join them instead of living like a > spiritual vampire sucking energy from the TM meditators in > Fairfield ? Since you've been so gracious as to provide us your assessment of the people who live in Fairfield without having anything to do with what the TM movement has begun, you've kinda opened the field to questions about what YOU have done for the TM movement. So here are a few simple questions about YOUR experience in the TM movement since you started: 1. How many people have you initiated (*personally* taught to practice the TM technique)? 2. How many introductory lectures have you given? 3. Assuming the answer to #2 is greater than zero, how many of those lectures did you pay for yourself (rental of lecture halls, cost of posters, cost of advertising if any, cost for security if required, etc.)? 4. Approximately how many posters have you put up yourself? 5. How many times have you dipped into your personal savings to pay the rent on a TM center to keep it open and functioning? 6. How many times have you not *had* any savings to dip into, and lived on rice and dal (dal if you were lucky) because keeping the TM center open and being able to teach TM were more important than eating? 7. How many advanced lectures have you given? 8. How many residence courses have you taught? I'm asking because in my book THESE are the kinds of things that *non*-"vampires" do in a spiritual movement. To me, the "vampires" are the ones who pay so that they can sit in a hotel room and round their brains out for years and never do any of the WORK of expanding and maintaining an organization, and then expect to be treated like they're "more evolved" than the peons who actually DO the work. I'm betting that you're one of the latter, and that you'll blow off the answers to questions 1-8 above, rather than admit that you NEVER did any of the WORK of being a TM teacher. And I'm also betting that none of this will sink in, and you'll KEEP lecturing to people on this forum who HAVE done all the things above, many times and over many years or decades. These people PAID THEIR DUES, and were rewarded for it a couple of years ago by being told that they had to pay big bucks to be "recertified" as teachers again, and if they didn't, they were persona non grata. Meanwhile, you sat around on your fat ass thinking that you're so much more evolved and "on the program" than the people who actually did the WORK and then, when they saw how little it and they were appreciated, moved on. This is put up or shut up time, Nabby. If you're going to lecture people who actually DID the work of being TM teachers for decades, you should post your "cred- ientials" with regard to that work. Otherwise we're likely to get the idea that you're just an enormous, self-important blowhard... Unc P.S. Same goes for those who never even *became* TM teachers and who dare to criticize the anger and disappointment of those who did the WORK while they sat on their fat asses doing NOTHING for the TM move- ment for decades.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You asked the wrong fellow here Turq; please see answers under each question. > Since you've been so gracious as to provide > us your assessment of the people who live in > Fairfield without having anything to do with > what the TM movement has begun, you've kinda > opened the field to questions about what YOU > have done for the TM movement. > > So here are a few simple questions about YOUR > experience in the TM movement since you started: > > 1. How many people have you initiated (*personally* > taught to practice the TM technique)? 1250 > 2. How many introductory lectures have you given? Difficult to say, probably arond 300. To many lectures nobody even shoved up, to others those who shoved up did not learn. In other places, like Eastern Europe hundreds would show up and as part of a team I would initiate say 30 persons. > > 3. Assuming the answer to #2 is greater than zero, > how many of those lectures did you pay for yourself > (rental of lecture halls, cost of posters, cost of > advertising if any, cost for security if required, > etc.)? Between 1994 and 2002 absolutely all of them, 100% paid for by myself, going on and on even though often none came for lectures. > 4. Approximately how many posters have you put up > yourself? Between 1994 and 2002: about 15000, in rain and hard winters. Singlehandedly posted either by scotch tape or fixed with those small metalpieces (whatever they are called in english) 15000 - that is quite a lot of posters my friend. > 5. How many times have you dipped into your personal > savings to pay the rent on a TM center to keep it > open and functioning? All of the time - I ran my own operation paying everything myself and initiating in my home. > 6. How many times have you not *had* any savings to > dip into, and lived on rice and dal (dal if you were > lucky) because keeping the TM center open and being > able to teach TM were more important than eating? As I said, only briefly, in the 70ties was I connected with a Centre. > > 7. How many advanced lectures have you given? Difficult to say really, I haven't kept a diary, a few hundred perhaps. > > 8. How many residence courses have you taught? Almost none, probably only about 10. > I'm asking because in my book THESE are the kinds > of things that *non*-"vampires" do in a spiritual > movement. To me, the "vampires" are the ones who > pay so that they can sit in a hotel room and round > their brains out for years PS; I did that also for 12 years :-) and never do any of the > WORK of expanding and maintaining an organization, > and then expect to be treated like they're "more > evolved" than the peons who actually DO the work. > > I'm betting that you're one of the latter, and > that you'll blow off the answers to questions 1-8 > above, rather than admit that you NEVER did any > of the WORK of being a TM teacher. Happy now ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > You asked the wrong fellow here Turq; please see answers under each > question. > > > Since you've been so gracious as to provide > > us your assessment of the people who live in > > Fairfield without having anything to do with > > what the TM movement has begun, you've kinda > > opened the field to questions about what YOU > > have done for the TM movement. > > > > So here are a few simple questions about YOUR > > experience in the TM movement since you started: > > > > 1. How many people have you initiated (*personally* > > taught to practice the TM technique)? > > 1250 > > > 2. How many introductory lectures have you given? > > Difficult to say, probably arond 300. To many lectures nobody even > shoved up, to others those who shoved up did not learn. In other > places, like Eastern Europe hundreds would show up and as part of a > team I would initiate say 30 persons. > > > > > 3. Assuming the answer to #2 is greater than zero, > > how many of those lectures did you pay for yourself > > (rental of lecture halls, cost of posters, cost of > > advertising if any, cost for security if required, > > etc.)? > > Between 1994 and 2002 absolutely all of them, 100% paid for by > myself, going on and on even though often none came for lectures. > > > 4. Approximately how many posters have you put up > > yourself? > > Between 1994 and 2002: about 15000, in rain and hard winters. > Singlehandedly posted either by scotch tape or fixed with those small > metalpieces (whatever they are called in english) > 15000 - that is quite a lot of posters my friend. > > > 5. How many times have you dipped into your personal > > savings to pay the rent on a TM center to keep it > > open and functioning? > > All of the time - I ran my own operation paying everything myself and > initiating in my home. > > > 6. How many times have you not *had* any savings to > > dip into, and lived on rice and dal (dal if you were > > lucky) because keeping the TM center open and being > > able to teach TM were more important than eating? > > As I said, only briefly, in the 70ties was I connected with a Centre. > > > > 7. How many advanced lectures have you given? > > Difficult to say really, I haven't kept a diary, a few hundred > perhaps. > > > > 8. How many residence courses have you taught? > > Almost none, probably only about 10. > > > I'm asking because in my book THESE are the kinds > > of things that *non*-"vampires" do in a spiritual > > movement. To me, the "vampires" are the ones who > > pay so that they can sit in a hotel room and round > > their brains out for years > > PS; I did that also for 12 years :-) > > and never do any of the > > WORK of expanding and maintaining an organization, > > and then expect to be treated like they're "more > > evolved" than the peons who actually DO the work. > > > > I'm betting that you're one of the latter, and > > that you'll blow off the answers to questions 1-8 > > above, rather than admit that you NEVER did any > > of the WORK of being a TM teacher. > > Happy now ? I'm satisfied with your claims. Whether they are true or not only you can say, but I bear in mind that you still believe that you would be admitted to a TMO flying hall, which means that you are prepared to lie about your involve- ment with Benjamin Creme and the other teachers you are on record here as having seen over the years. If you're willing to lie about that, what else? But if it's true, good for you. It makes you a blowhard with experience, as opposed to just a blowhard. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I'm also betting that none of this will sink > in, and you'll KEEP lecturing to people on this > forum who HAVE done all the things above, many > times and over many years or decades. These people > PAID THEIR DUES, and were rewarded for it a couple > of years ago by being told that they had to pay > big bucks to be "recertified" as teachers again, > and if they didn't, they were persona non grata. >From where did you get this idea that they are "persona non grata" ? That is clearly not the case. We cannot initiate for the time being, true, but I keep getting all kinds of invitations from the Movement both nationally and Internationally. Maharishi just wanted to get rid of the dead wood and the spiritual vampires. And he succeeded. The rest of us just need to be a little patient. My guess is that we can initiate again sooner rather than later. > Meanwhile, you sat around on your fat ass thinking > that you're so much more evolved and "on the program" > than the people who actually did the WORK and then, > when they saw how little it and they were appreciated, > moved on. > > This is put up or shut up time, Nabby. If you're going > to lecture people who actually DID the work of being > TM teachers for decades, you should post your "cred- > ientials" with regard to that work. I did, hope you liked it :-) > > Otherwise we're likely to get the idea that you're > just an enormous, self-important blowhard... Speaking from experiencing yourself again are we...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > wrote: > > > They got shakti that is alive in a > > > way > > > that by contrast the TMmovement group meditations are only a > > > forlorn > > > disheartened hope over what could have been with their movement. > > > -Doug in FF > > > > So why on earth don't you join them instead of living like a > > spiritual vampire sucking energy from the TM meditators in > > Fairfield ? > > Since you've been so gracious as to provide > us your assessment of the people who live in > Fairfield without having anything to do with > what the TM movement has begun, you've kinda > opened the field to questions about what YOU > have done for the TM movement. > > So here are a few simple questions about YOUR > experience in the TM movement since you started: > > Here are my answers: > > 1. How many people have you initiated (*personally* > taught to practice the TM technique)? > > Over 1000. > > 2. How many introductory lectures have you given? > > Thousands. > > 3. Assuming the answer to #2 is greater than zero, > how many of those lectures did you pay for yourself > (rental of lecture halls, cost of posters, cost of > advertising if any, cost for security if required, > etc.)? > > All, for the first year and a half, although it wasn't out of my > pocket, but out of the operating expenses of the center I was > running single-handedly. > > 4. Approximately how many posters have you put up > yourself? > > Thousands. > > 5. How many times have you dipped into your personal > savings to pay the rent on a TM center to keep it > open and functioning? > > Never. > > 6. How many times have you not *had* any savings to > dip into, and lived on rice and dal (dal if you were > lucky) because keeping the TM center open and being > able to teach TM were more important than eating? > > It never got that bad. I was always a pretty successful teacher. > > 7. How many advanced lectures have you given? > > Even more than I have given intros, and I gave thousands of those. > > 8. How many residence courses have you taught? > > Hundreds. I was a regional lecturer for a year and gave a RC every > weekend, plus many sidhis prep courses. Also a couple of years of > International Staff, years of Purusha, MUM faculty, etc, etc. Your answers, Rick, I believe. Nabby's...uh...not so much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > and never do any of the > > > WORK of expanding and maintaining an organization, > > > and then expect to be treated like they're "more > > > evolved" than the peons who actually DO the work. > > > > > > I'm betting that you're one of the latter, and > > > that you'll blow off the answers to questions 1-8 > > > above, rather than admit that you NEVER did any > > > of the WORK of being a TM teacher. > > > > Happy now ? > > I'm satisfied with your claims. Whether they > are true or not only you can say, but I bear > in mind that you still believe that you would > be admitted to a TMO flying hall, which means > that you are prepared to lie about your involve- > ment with Benjamin Creme and the other teachers > you are on record here as having seen over the > years. If you're willing to lie about that, > what else? > > But if it's true, good for you. It makes you > a blowhard with experience, as opposed to just > a blowhard. :-) Translation: Boy, I screwed up big-time. But I can't possibly *admit* such a thing, so perhaps there's some way I can twist things around to make it seem as though I might have been right all along.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > and never do any of the > > > > WORK of expanding and maintaining an organization, > > > > and then expect to be treated like they're "more > > > > evolved" than the peons who actually DO the work. > > > > > > > > I'm betting that you're one of the latter, and > > > > that you'll blow off the answers to questions 1-8 > > > > above, rather than admit that you NEVER did any > > > > of the WORK of being a TM teacher. > > > > > > Happy now ? > > > > I'm satisfied with your claims. Whether they > > are true or not only you can say, but I bear > > in mind that you still believe that you would > > be admitted to a TMO flying hall, which means > > that you are prepared to lie about your involve- > > ment with Benjamin Creme and the other teachers > > you are on record here as having seen over the > > years. If you're willing to lie about that, > > what else? > > > > But if it's true, good for you. It makes you > > a blowhard with experience, as opposed to just > > a blowhard. :-) > > Translation: Boy, I screwed up big-time. But I > can't possibly *admit* such a thing, so perhaps > there's some way I can twist things around to make > it seem as though I might have been right all > along. Says the blowhard who's never done ANYTHING for the TM movement she defends compulsively. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > P.S. Same goes for those who never even *became* TM > teachers and who dare to criticize the anger and > disappointment of those who did the WORK while they > sat on their fat asses doing NOTHING for the TM move- > ment for decades. Sorta like how you sat on your fat ass for decades doing nothing in the political arena to help elect good people to office, then fled the country to sit on your fat ass in France and now Spain and shoot off your fat mouth about how awful U.S. leaders are, huh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > P.S. Same goes for those who never even *became* TM > > teachers and who dare to criticize the anger and > > disappointment of those who did the WORK while they > > sat on their fat asses doing NOTHING for the TM move- > > ment for decades. > > Sorta like how you sat on your fat ass for decades > doing nothing in the political arena to help elect > good people to office, then fled the country to sit > on your fat ass in France and now Spain and shoot off > your fat mouth about how awful U.S. leaders are, huh? The day that your country elects leaders that stop its wars, stop its rape of the resources of the planet, and provide for a decent life- style and health care for *all* of its citizens, on that day you can talk to me about "staying and doing something." Until then, you're just one more blowhard in a nation full of them. I prefer countries where the people still believe they can change things, and thus do. Unlike...uh... some I could mention, they don't just talk, talk, talk about how everything's going to change. They just change things. IF America has an election in 2008, it will just be more of the same, because you people who "stayed behind to do things" don't ever. You just *talk* about doing things. Hmmm. Sounds remarkably like TM TBs' relationship with "flying" and with the realization of their own enlightenment, now that I think about it... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > and never do any of the > > > > > WORK of expanding and maintaining an organization, > > > > > and then expect to be treated like they're "more > > > > > evolved" than the peons who actually DO the work. > > > > > > > > > > I'm betting that you're one of the latter, and > > > > > that you'll blow off the answers to questions 1-8 > > > > > above, rather than admit that you NEVER did any > > > > > of the WORK of being a TM teacher. > > > > > > > > Happy now ? > > > > > > I'm satisfied with your claims. Whether they > > > are true or not only you can say, but I bear > > > in mind that you still believe that you would > > > be admitted to a TMO flying hall, which means > > > that you are prepared to lie about your involve- > > > ment with Benjamin Creme and the other teachers > > > you are on record here as having seen over the > > > years. If you're willing to lie about that, > > > what else? > > > > > > But if it's true, good for you. It makes you > > > a blowhard with experience, as opposed to just > > > a blowhard. :-) > > > > Translation: Boy, I screwed up big-time. But I > > can't possibly *admit* such a thing, so perhaps > > there's some way I can twist things around to make > > it seem as though I might have been right all > > along. > > Says the blowhard who's never done ANYTHING > for the TM movement she defends compulsively. :-) Wrong on both counts. Sorry, you've screwed up again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > P.S. Same goes for those who never even *became* TM > > > teachers and who dare to criticize the anger and > > > disappointment of those who did the WORK while they > > > sat on their fat asses doing NOTHING for the TM move- > > > ment for decades. > > > > Sorta like how you sat on your fat ass for decades > > doing nothing in the political arena to help elect > > good people to office, then fled the country to sit > > on your fat ass in France and now Spain and shoot off > > your fat mouth about how awful U.S. leaders are, huh? > > The day that your country elects leaders that > stop its wars, stop its rape of the resources > of the planet, and provide for a decent life- > style and health care for *all* of its citizens, > on that day you can talk to me about "staying > and doing something." Translation: Barry's going to continue to sit on his fat ass and blow off his fat mouth from a safe distance until somebody *else* does the work of reforming the U.S. government.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > > > P.S. Same goes for those who never even *became* TM > > > > teachers and who dare to criticize the anger and > > > > disappointment of those who did the WORK while they > > > > sat on their fat asses doing NOTHING for the TM move- > > > > ment for decades. > > > > > > Sorta like how you sat on your fat ass for decades > > > doing nothing in the political arena to help elect > > > good people to office, then fled the country to sit > > > on your fat ass in France and now Spain and shoot off > > > your fat mouth about how awful U.S. leaders are, huh? > > > > The day that your country elects leaders that > > stop its wars, stop its rape of the resources > > of the planet, and provide for a decent life- > > style and health care for *all* of its citizens, > > on that day you can talk to me about "staying > > and doing something." > > Translation: Barry's going to continue to sit on > his fat ass and blow off his fat mouth from a safe > distance until somebody *else* does the work of > reforming the U.S. government. "fat" doesn't even have the same letters as "liar". But I like it. It's an improvement over "liar". So if it's your new catch-word, Judy, I approve. Keep using it. Because 11 years of calling Barry a "liar" has been wearing a bit thin.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your answers, Rick, I believe. > > Nabby's...uh...not so much. Thats because you are a lier yourself, not understanding that others actually are in the habit of telling the truth. And BTW, personally I believe every word of what RA wrote.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > and never do any of the > > > > WORK of expanding and maintaining an organization, > > > > and then expect to be treated like they're "more > > > > evolved" than the peons who actually DO the work. > > > > > > > > I'm betting that you're one of the latter, and > > > > that you'll blow off the answers to questions 1-8 > > > > above, rather than admit that you NEVER did any > > > > of the WORK of being a TM teacher. > > > > > > Happy now ? > > > > I'm satisfied with your claims. Whether they > > are true or not only you can say, but I bear > > in mind that you still believe that you would > > be admitted to a TMO flying hall, which means > > that you are prepared to lie about your involve- > > ment with Benjamin Creme and the other teachers > > you are on record here as having seen over the > > years. If you're willing to lie about that, > > what else? > > > > But if it's true, good for you. It makes you > > a blowhard with experience, as opposed to just > > a blowhard. :-) > > Translation: Boy, I screwed up big-time. But I > can't possibly *admit* such a thing, so perhaps > there's some way I can twist things around to make > it seem as though I might have been right all > along. Exactly. I doubt this fellow will ever graciously admit that he made a mistake - would have been too much for an oversized ego I suppose.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > P.S. Same goes for those who never even *became* TM > > teachers and who dare to criticize the anger and > > disappointment of those who did the WORK while they > > sat on their fat asses doing NOTHING for the TM move- > > ment for decades. > > Sorta like how you sat on your fat ass for decades > doing nothing in the political arena to help elect > good people to office, then fled the country to sit > on your fat ass in France and now Spain and shoot off > your fat mouth about how awful U.S. leaders are, huh? Perhaps it is timely to remind this Turq that without the tireless hands and brains of meditators and Sidhas the TM-centers would never float. They were often our best people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
TurquoiseB wrote: > > > P.S. Same goes for those who never even *became* TM > > teachers and who dare to criticize the anger and > > disappointment of those who did the WORK while they > > sat on their fat asses doing NOTHING for the TM move- > > ment for decades. > > Judy wrote: > Sorta like how you sat on your fat ass for decades > doing nothing in the political arena to help elect > good people to office, then fled the country to sit > on your fat ass in France and now Spain and shoot off > your fat mouth about how awful U.S. leaders are, huh? > Waxed!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > and never do any of the > > > > > WORK of expanding and maintaining an organization, > > > > > and then expect to be treated like they're "more > > > > > evolved" than the peons who actually DO the work. > > > > > > > > > > I'm betting that you're one of the latter, and > > > > > that you'll blow off the answers to questions 1-8 > > > > > above, rather than admit that you NEVER did any > > > > > of the WORK of being a TM teacher. > > > > > > > > Happy now ? > > > > > > I'm satisfied with your claims. Whether they > > > are true or not only you can say, but I bear > > > in mind that you still believe that you would > > > be admitted to a TMO flying hall, which means > > > that you are prepared to lie about your involve- > > > ment with Benjamin Creme and the other teachers > > > you are on record here as having seen over the > > > years. If you're willing to lie about that, > > > what else? > > > > > > But if it's true, good for you. It makes you > > > a blowhard with experience, as opposed to just > > > a blowhard. :-) > > > > Translation: Boy, I screwed up big-time. But I > > can't possibly *admit* such a thing, so perhaps > > there's some way I can twist things around to make > > it seem as though I might have been right all > > along. > > Exactly. I doubt this fellow will ever graciously admit that he made > a mistake - would have been too much for an oversized ego I suppose. IF I made a mistake about your past involvement with the TM movement, then I did. No biggie. I've only got your current persona to bounce off of, not the one from decades ago, before you started believing that sitting on your butt doing your TM program made you better than people who have lives. But I think that we on this forum are well within our rights to "consider the source" when dealing with claims from you. You have stated often that you see no problem with you being admitted to any official TMO flying hall. As has been pointed out to you often, admittance requires a "screening" during which you will be asked whether you have been involved with or have seen spiritual teachers other than Maharishi. You have. That's a given. You don't think there would be any problem with being admitted to a TMO flying hall. That's also a given, stated by you many times. To me that says that you are willing to lie about your involvement with these other teachers to get into the flying halls. Right? Therefore, although I think that there is some *possibility* that what you claim about your experience teaching and doing the work that kept the TMO going for so many years until it learned that it could bring in even more money by badger- ing the TM faithful and scaring them into giving them money for nothing could be true, there is also an equal possibility that for you relating your "experience" of teaching might just be one more thing you have no qualms about lying about. But, as I said before, if you actually did put your butt on the line instead of just sitting on it, good for you.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice (teaching) Since Starting TM --- In HYPERLINK "mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com"FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In HYPERLINK "mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com"FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > They got shakti that is alive in a > > way > > that by contrast the TMmovement group meditations are only a > > forlorn > > disheartened hope over what could have been with their movement. > > -Doug in FF > > So why on earth don't you join them instead of living like a > spiritual vampire sucking energy from the TM meditators in > Fairfield ? Since you've been so gracious as to provide us your assessment of the people who live in Fairfield without having anything to do with what the TM movement has begun, you've kinda opened the field to questions about what YOU have done for the TM movement. So here are a few simple questions about YOUR experience in the TM movement since you started: Here are my answers: 1. How many people have you initiated (*personally* taught to practice the TM technique)? Over 1000. 2. How many introductory lectures have you given? Thousands. 3. Assuming the answer to #2 is greater than zero, how many of those lectures did you pay for yourself (rental of lecture halls, cost of posters, cost of advertising if any, cost for security if required, etc.)? All, for the first year and a half, although it wasn’t out of my pocket, but out of the operating expenses of the center I was running single-handedly. 4. Approximately how many posters have you put up yourself? Thousands. 5. How many times have you dipped into your personal savings to pay the rent on a TM center to keep it open and functioning? Never. 6. How many times have you not *had* any savings to dip into, and lived on rice and dal (dal if you were lucky) because keeping the TM center open and being able to teach TM were more important than eating? It never got that bad. I was always a pretty successful teacher. 7. How many advanced lectures have you given? Even more than I have given intros, and I gave thousands of those. 8. How many residence courses have you taught? Hundreds. I was a regional lecturer for a year and gave a RC every weekend, plus many sidhis prep courses. Also a couple of years of International Staff, years of Purusha, MUM faculty, etc, etc. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM
