[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY
This is a classic MMY dumbing down the teaching to appeal to westerners. Rituals of all religions are Shit and can't take you anywhere. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, BillyG. wg...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 6:34 AM The rituals of the various Religions represent the body, and the practice of directly experiencing Being represents the Spirit. Both are necessary and should go hand in hand. One will not survive without the other. MMY SOB page 256
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY
TM is Yoga-lite for modernity, eventually though, it will be full blown neo-hinduism, or Vedic Culture or whatever you want to call it. Originally it was taught in the context of Religion, the eternal Religion of the Vedas, Sanatana Dharma. MMY is taking us in baby steps in that direction...that's fine with me. Too bad none of the Rajas are practicing Religion.or, are they? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_sp...@... wrote: This is a classic MMY dumbing down the teaching to appeal to westerners. Rituals of all religions are Shit and can't take you anywhere. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 6:34 AM The rituals of the various Religions represent the body, and the practice of directly experiencing Being represents the Spirit. Both are necessary and should go hand in hand. One will not survive without the other. MMY SOB page 256
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY
Billy, Maharishi has fooled you. The rituals of all religions are nonsense and can't take you to E Ask guyfawks what would happen if we go back to this full blown archaic vedic culture. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, BillyG. wg...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:57 AM TM is Yoga-lite for modernity, eventually though, it will be full blown neo-hinduism, or Vedic Culture or whatever you want to call it. Originally it was taught in the context of Religion, the eternal Religion of the Vedas, Sanatana Dharma. MMY is taking us in baby steps in that direction... that's fine with me. Too bad none of the Rajas are practicing Religion .or, are they? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_sp...@... wrote: Billy, Maharishi has fooled you. The rituals of all religions are nonsense and can't take you to E Ask guyfawks what would happen if we go back to this full blown archaic vedic culture. MMY's implication is that you need both!! The rituals of the various Religions represent the body, and the practice of directly experiencing Being represents the Spirit. Both are necessary and should go hand in hand. One will not survive without the other. MMY SOB page 256 Unfortunately, many folks practicing TM are left without the benefits of Religion because the TMorg does not teach that one should practice their Religion WITH TM, in fact, most TM'ers practice TM in lieu of Religion, missing some of the important guidelines only Religion can provide! Believe me, sooner or later TM will be full blown Religion! I already acknowledge that, and anyone with half a brain would realize that too. Basically TM is a Religious Science!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY
You talk about the benefits of religion.?? More blood has flown in the name of religion than all of Hitler's concentration camps. There is difference between moral guidelines and dogmatic beliefs --- On Fri, 7/10/09, BillyG. wg...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 8:44 AM MMY's implication is that you need both!! The rituals of the various Religions represent the body, and the practice of directly experiencing Being represents the Spirit. Both are necessary and should go hand in hand. One will not survive without the other. MMY SOB page 256 Unfortunately, many folks practicing TM are left without the benefits of Religion because the TMorg does not teach that one should practice their Religion WITH TM, in fact, most TM'ers practice TM in lieu of Religion, missing some of the important guidelines only Religion can provide! Believe me, sooner or later TM will be full blown Religion! I already acknowledge that, and anyone with half a brain would realize that too. Basically TM is a Religious Science!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Religion should go hand in hand. MMY
BillyG wrote: TM is Yoga-lite for modernity... For those well versed in the Vedaanta the world is like a city of Gaandharvas, an illusion. - Guadapada
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: I've been gone for a few days and am out of touch with this thread, but I did just read the New Jersey court decision regarding TM in the schools. The main decision doesn't have a lot to grab on to but the concurring opinion has a very interesting discussion of religion. I've been recommending for *years* that folks with an interest in this topic read Judge Adams's concurring opinion, posting the full text on alt.m.t back in 1996. I'm glad somebody has finally read it. It makes what I think is a very powerful case that TM/SCI should be regarded by the U.S. government as a religious teaching under the First Amendment to the Constitution. It also makes clear that this is a *constitutional* case, a contextual case, not a ruling for all time and all people. It does not say that TM/SCI *is* a religion in some absolute sense, but rather that the government *must regard its teahching as religious in nature*. And it explains why: One's views, be they orthodox or novel, on the deeper and more imponderable questions the meaning of life and death, man's role in the Universe, the proper moral code of right and wrong are those likely to be the most intensely personal39 and important to the believer. *They are his ultimate concerns. As such, they are to be carefully guarded from governmental interference, and never converted into official government doctrine*. [emphasis added] Judge Adams goes on to note that TM/SCI would clearly be covered by the free exercise clause of the First Amendment, which means it is therefore also covered by the establishment clause: That those who espouse these views and engage in the Puja, or meditate in the hope of reaching the transcendental reality of creative intelligence, would be entitled to the protection of the free exercise clause if threatened by governmental interference or regulation is clear. They are thus similarly subject, in my view, to the constraints of the establishment clause. When the government seeks to encourage this version of ultimate truth, and not others, an establishment clause problem arises. That's a constitutional slam-dunk, IMHO. Note that Judge Adams's argument is vastly more sophisticated and thoughtful than most of the crude arguments presented here that TM is a religion. The whole opinion is very much worth reading, both for what it says about TM/SCI and as a fundamental education in constitutional reasoning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Note that Judge Adams's argument is vastly more sophisticated and thoughtful than most of the crude arguments presented here that TM is a religion. The whole opinion is very much worth reading, both for what it says about TM/SCI and as a fundamental education in constitutional reasoning. What, can't make your own arguments? BTW, If you're only practicing 1% of a Religion are you still practicing that Religion? MMY says TM is, I quote: This is the greatest blessing of the Vedas, this system of meditation is the greatest blessing of the Vedas, and It would be exact to say that all the religions from times immemorial are just different branches of the main trunk of the eternal *religion* of the Vedas. Need I say more?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: [...] SCI/TM is not a Theistic religion, but it is nonetheless a constitutionally protected religion. It concerns itself with the same search for ultimate truth as other religions and seeks to offer a comprehensive and critically important answer to the questions and doubts that haunt modern man. That those who espouse these views and engage in the Puja, or meditate in the hope of reaching the transcendental reality of creative intelligence, would be entitled to the protection of the free exercise clause if threatened by governmental interference or regulation is clear. They are thus similarly subject, in my view, to the constraints of the establishment clause. When the government seeks to encourage this version of ultimate truth, and not others, an establishment clause problem arises. As taught to kids in public schools SCI+TM certainly meets the critereia for religion. However, TM by itself or TM + SCI taken as a philosophical course, would be something else since adults voluntarily taking a course and kids required to take one, are different kettles of fish. TM by itself, in the context of the quiet time paid for by the David Lunch foundation is also a different question. In fact, so far Americans United for Separation of CHurch and State (who brought the Malnak vs Yogi lawsuit) have yet to figure out how to bring legal challenge. Apparently none of none of the participating parents have agreed to complain, thus far... Lawson But they still do the puja, yes? And do the intro lectures? They certainly could bring a legal challenge but maybe no one is of a mind to pay for it. Outside the school, and pay is the keiy. The quiet time thing is voluntary and kids who just wanted to sit stil for 10 minutes wih their eyes closed could participate as well, I believe. Regardless, the fit will hit the shan soon when the benefit concert happens. Should garner national attention and correspondingly greater efforts to quelch the program... ..Enjoy. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: from the behind-the-TM-facade website: basicall, if it walks and talks like a duck Is TM a Religion? I call it a Religious Sciencesounds more honest to me. You could make the argument that it isn't a Religion in the current connotation of the word, but then you could bend the meaning of Religion all you want and end up with nothing but a semantic argument.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: from the behind-the-TM-facade website: basicall, if it walks and talks like a duck snip Transcendental Meditation was ruled a religion by the United States District Court, District of New Jersey No, it wasn't: 1. That the Science of Creative Intelligence/ Transcendental Meditation and the teaching thereof, the concepts of the field of pure creative intelligence, creative intelligence and bliss consciousness, the textbook entitled Science of Creative Intelligence for Secondary Education--First Year Course--Dawn of the First Year of the Age of Enlightenment, and the puja ceremony, are all RELIGIOUS IN NATURE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT of the United States Constitution, and the teaching thereof in the New Jersey public schools is therefore unconstitutional (emphasis added). A court can't rule that a teaching is a religion in some universal sense, as if it had authorization from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable thing like a can of Coke. Courts can rule only that a teaching is religious in nature in a specific legal context, according to certain previously established criteria. If it walks and talks like a duck, then the U.S. government has to consider it a duck *even if it isn't really a duck*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
---Somebody has to make a judgement, might as well be the courts. Analogous situation with the Fundie attempt to disguise Creationism as science. Courts decided. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: from the behind-the-TM-facade website: basicall, if it walks and talks like a duck snip Transcendental Meditation was ruled a religion by the United States District Court, District of New Jersey No, it wasn't: 1. That the Science of Creative Intelligence/ Transcendental Meditation and the teaching thereof, the concepts of the field of pure creative intelligence, creative intelligence and bliss consciousness, the textbook entitled Science of Creative Intelligence for Secondary Education--First Year Course--Dawn of the First Year of the Age of Enlightenment, and the puja ceremony, are all RELIGIOUS IN NATURE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT of the United States Constitution, and the teaching thereof in the New Jersey public schools is therefore unconstitutional (emphasis added). A court can't rule that a teaching is a religion in some universal sense, as if it had authorization from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable thing like a can of Coke. Courts can rule only that a teaching is religious in nature in a specific legal context, according to certain previously established criteria. If it walks and talks like a duck, then the U.S. government has to consider it a duck *even if it isn't really a duck*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: A court can't rule that a teaching is a religion in some universal sense, as if it had authorization from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable thing like a can of Coke. Here's MMY's definition of Religion: The word comes from the Latin infinitive 'religare': re, meaning back, 'ligare', to bind; or, that which binds one back. The purpose of Religion is to bind man back to his source, to his origin. MMY SOB pg255. Sounds like a clear definition to me, just like Coke, unless you want to argue semantics, 'stand alone' TM clearly falls under this definition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: ---Somebody has to make a judgement, might as well be the courts. Analogous situation with the Fundie attempt to disguise Creationism as science. Courts decided. Yes. And I agree with the court's decision in the TM case, because it made it more difficult for teachings that really *are* religious to get into the public schools. TM/SCI etc. is borderline at worst, but it's important to err on the side of caution. I'm just objecting to the Courts ruled TM a religion phrasing, because it's misleading. Courts don't have that jurisdiction. What the court *actually* ruled was that the federal government could not fund the teaching of TM/SCI in public schools because those teachings were of a religious nature. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: from the behind-the-TM-facade website: basicall, if it walks and talks like a duck snip Transcendental Meditation was ruled a religion by the United States District Court, District of New Jersey No, it wasn't: 1. That the Science of Creative Intelligence/ Transcendental Meditation and the teaching thereof, the concepts of the field of pure creative intelligence, creative intelligence and bliss consciousness, the textbook entitled Science of Creative Intelligence for Secondary Education--First Year Course--Dawn of the First Year of the Age of Enlightenment, and the puja ceremony, are all RELIGIOUS IN NATURE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT of the United States Constitution, and the teaching thereof in the New Jersey public schools is therefore unconstitutional (emphasis added). A court can't rule that a teaching is a religion in some universal sense, as if it had authorization from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable thing like a can of Coke. Courts can rule only that a teaching is religious in nature in a specific legal context, according to certain previously established criteria. If it walks and talks like a duck, then the U.S. government has to consider it a duck *even if it isn't really a duck*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: A court can't rule that a teaching is a religion in some universal sense, as if it had authorization from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable thing like a can of Coke. Here's MMY's definition of Religion: The word comes from the Latin infinitive 'religare': re, meaning back, 'ligare', to bind; or, that which binds one back. The purpose of Religion is to bind man back to his source, to his origin. MMY SOB pg255. Sounds like a clear definition to me, just like Coke No, not like Coke. That's *MMY's* definition. Others have different definitions. There's no one universal definition. , unless you want to argue semantics, 'stand alone' TM clearly falls under this definition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: A court can't rule that a teaching is a religion in some universal sense, as if it had authorization from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable thing like a can of Coke. Here's MMY's definition of Religion: The word comes from the Latin infinitive 'religare': re, meaning back, 'ligare', to bind; or, that which binds one back. The purpose of Religion is to bind man back to his source, to his origin. MMY SOB pg255. Sounds like a clear definition to me, just like Coke No, not like Coke. That's *MMY's* definition. Others have different definitions. There's no one universal definition. , unless you want to argue semantics, 'stand alone' TM clearly falls under this definition. Plus which, even if that *is* the purpose of religion, it doesn't mean that anything that binds people back to their source is therefore a religion. That's like saying that the purpose of a horse is to draw a cart, therefore anything that draws a cart is a horse. And yes, of course it's semantics. It can't be anything else, since we're talking about the meaning of words.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: A court can't rule that a teaching is a religion in some universal sense, as if it had authorization from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable thing like a can of Coke. Here's MMY's definition of Religion: The word comes from the Latin infinitive 'religare': re, meaning back, 'ligare', to bind; or, that which binds one back. The purpose of Religion is to bind man back to his source, to his origin. MMY SOB pg255. Sounds like a clear definition to me, just like Coke No, not like Coke. That's *MMY's* definition. Others have different definitions. There's no one universal definition. Then there can never be any meeting of the minds as to what Religion IS! Come on Judy, we all know what Religion is, stop splitting hairs. You're trying to 'weasel' out of this one! Say uncle!! Come on
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: A court can't rule that a teaching is a religion in some universal sense, as if it had authorization from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable thing like a can of Coke. Here's MMY's definition of Religion: The word comes from the Latin infinitive 'religare': re, meaning back, 'ligare', to bind; or, that which binds one back. The purpose of Religion is to bind man back to his source, to his origin. MMY SOB pg255. Sounds like a clear definition to me, just like Coke No, not like Coke. That's *MMY's* definition. Others have different definitions. There's no one universal definition. Then there can never be any meeting of the minds as to what Religion IS! That's right. Come on Judy, we all know what Religion is, We all have our own ideas of what religion is. There's general agreement on some elements and disagreement on others. Some of the elements fit TM, some don't. Some of the elements of religion fit politics, or football, or celebrity fandom, some don't. It isn't as cut and dried as you'd like to make it. stop splitting hairs. You're trying to 'weasel' out of this one! Say uncle!! Come on
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Plus which, even if that *is* the purpose of religion, it doesn't mean that anything that binds people back to their source is therefore a religion. That's like saying that the purpose of a horse is to draw a cart, therefore anything that draws a cart is a horse. Your syntax is off, Religion is a word that encompasses many faiths, whereas a horse will always only be a horse. And yes, of course it's semantics. It can't be anything else, since we're talking about the meaning of words. MMY just gave you the meaning of the word, and yes, semantics is about the meaning of words, a little off subject dear. The meaning of the word HAS been defined by a reputable source, using that source, TM is a Religion. I like to call it a Religious Science.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?
No, not like Coke. That's *MMY's* definition. Others have different definitions. There's no one universal definition. I'm with Judy here. The term is highly context dependent. There is a legal context (keep it out of the schools) and then there is our own sniff test (smells like Hindu to me!) But in the context of Indian Hinduism, you can't choose it, you have to be born into it, so Ruth's term Hinu-lite applies. For a true believer teacher, they are involved in practices and beliefs that most people would consider to be religious in nature. But that is no absolute either. Nice distinctions being drawn. But doing ceremonies bowing down to pictures of Hindu gods while maintaining that Ain't nobody here but us chickens seems like that river in Egypt to me. TM practicers can view it any way they want even though they are repeating the name of a god, and with advanced techniques, as Geezer pointed out, assuming the position towards the god. It is all just words, there are no gods with many hands living on Mt. Meru or MT. Olympus, or Brooklyn. Just us folks, with our primate brains cooking up great stories using our wonderfully creative brains. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: A court can't rule that a teaching is a religion in some universal sense, as if it had authorization from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable thing like a can of Coke. Here's MMY's definition of Religion: The word comes from the Latin infinitive 'religare': re, meaning back, 'ligare', to bind; or, that which binds one back. The purpose of Religion is to bind man back to his source, to his origin. MMY SOB pg255. Sounds like a clear definition to me, just like Coke No, not like Coke. That's *MMY's* definition. Others have different definitions. There's no one universal definition. , unless you want to argue semantics, 'stand alone' TM clearly falls under this definition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:17 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Why don't you both come to the Midwest and we'll all hang. O'boy... this can get nasty.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] w No wonder your music works. You have a gift for getting to the essence. Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. What a brilliant idea ! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ w No wonder your music works. You have a gift for getting to the essence. Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. What a brilliant idea ! :-) Ah, the sattva of the long-term TB TMer. Should we list this as another 'known effect' of the TM mantras? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:17 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Why don't you both come to the Midwest and we'll all hang. Make it on the first Friday of the month, especially a warm month, and you'll hit the Art Walk, where the whole town turns out and meanders around the square. Count me in on this action. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1275 - Release Date: 2/12/2008 3:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ w No wonder your music works. You have a gift for getting to the essence. Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. What a brilliant idea ! :-) Ah, the sattva of the long-term TB TMer. Should we list this as another 'known effect' of the TM mantras? :-) Yes, yes ! Wishing all well, to wherever they are going, certainly is a trait I see in longtime meditators. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Why don't you both come to the Midwest and we'll all hang. We should hang. What a brilliant idea ! :-) O'boy... this can get nasty. yes, if you don't hang together you'll hang one at a time. Come to Fairfield and, let us host you. Jai Guru Dev, -The Committee of Vigilantes for the Age of Enlightenment Dear TCOVFTAOE, Seems like some of the top-of-the-list people are going. If they can muster some boozebabes they could easily attract Turq also. I'll donate a SBAL if Vaj goes. He admitted some time ago he never read it, which makes perfect sense given the misconceptions he has about TM. After the ceremony perhaps it could be donated to MSAE ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
I agree that mood making via religious-commandments, moral axioms, even daily prayers might have helped the TMO -- especially at this transition moment. Still though, the big allure of TM was that one didn't have to work at it to be a good happy personand religions, generally speaking, require a lot of time and effort to make reality for a practitioner. On the other hand, didn't the TMO institute TONS of moodmaking? Did we all get the message that we must force our minds to come up with rationalizations for the various jarring, goofyassed, creepy, and even illegal behaviors of the TMO's leaders? Maharishi: Here, nearest trustable stooge, take this $10,000 in cash out of this country, hidden in your underwear, and don't get caught in customs. Stooge Maharishi is sooo perfect that he sees that this action is life-supporting and an exception to the rule of law. In fact, the law is evil in that it doesn't provide that my guru specifically is wise enough to determine these things. Like that. We all pretended ourselves into some rather odious compromises of our integrities. The first lecture is filled with assertions that our own experiences do not support, so right there we were required to moodmake IN PUBLIC. And now, if anything, try to find a TBer who isn't moodmaking about King Tony like a bride on her honeymoon night with Quazimodo (He's such a swinger! What hump?) Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's pretty clear to me now that if some of the rules of religion had attended the TM technique many many followers of the Maharishi would now still practice. For instance, if Maharishi had stressed - love they neighbor, and - have faith. But alas such things were considered moods. Instead Maharishi sought to reify the basic Hindu cosmoconception into the Earth plane with all the caps and gowns forgetting that people don't believe what they see, they believe what they feel. Most people function as based in their moods. So a little positive mood making might have saved the momentum of the Movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
It's pretty clear to me now that if some of the rules of religion had attended the TM technique many many followers of the Maharishi would now still practice. For instance, if Maharishi had stressed - love they neighbor, and - have faith. But alas such things were considered moods. Instead Maharishi sought to reify the basic Hindu cosmoconception into the Earth plane with all the caps and gowns forgetting that people don't believe what they see, they believe what they feel. Most people function as based in their moods. So a little positive mood making might have saved the momentum of the Movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
Here's some FairFieldLife party-hearty entertainment ideas: Have Turq and Judy dress up in those Sumo wrestler, hugely padded, puffy suits, and have a contest. I'd pay for a front row seat. Smart money's on Judy, methinks. We could get Off to spike our fruit punch with his meds. We could gang tackle Richard, make him wear a George Bush Halloween mask, and then group tickle him until he pukes. Shemp might be roped into a barber's chair and given the real Shemp's haircut. Kirk could cook us up a mess-o-blackened shrimp -- with shrooms. Marek can bring some potted plants for decorating the banquet tables. I'll bring three Trikkes -- and indemnification forms. Dick Mays can sing Massa's in de col col grave with Curtis accompanying on a 12 string. Lurk is the natural choice for Emcee. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Why don't you both come to the Midwest and we'll all hang. We should hang. What a brilliant idea ! :-) O'boy... this can get nasty. yes, if you don't hang together you'll hang one at a time. Come to Fairfield and, let us host you. Jai Guru Dev, -The Committee of Vigilantes for the Age of Enlightenment Dear TCOVFTAOE, Seems like some of the top-of-the-list people are going. If they can muster some boozebabes they could easily attract Turq also. I'll donate a SBAL if Vaj goes. He admitted some time ago he never read it, which makes perfect sense given the misconceptions he has about TM. After the ceremony perhaps it could be donated to MSAE ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ w No wonder your music works. You have a gift for getting to the essence. Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. What a brilliant idea ! :-) That was wickedly funny Nabby, nice one! It is also a useful grim reminder that opposing spiritual beliefs often reveals a desire to silence critics at any cost.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Why don't you both come to the Midwest and we'll all hang. Make it on the first Friday of the month, especially a warm month, and you'll hit the Art Walk, where the whole town turns out and meanders around the square. Another overdue trip Rick! Fairfield is really beautiful in the Spring. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1275 - Release Date: 2/12/2008 3:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Come to Fairfield and, let us host you. Er, you meant hoist, right? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Why don't you both come to the Midwest and we'll all hang. We should hang. What a brilliant idea ! :-) O'boy... this can get nasty. yes, if you don't hang together you'll hang one at a time. Come to Fairfield and, let us host you. Jai Guru Dev, -The Committee of Vigilantes for the Age of Enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Why don't you both come to the Midwest and we'll all hang. We should hang. What a brilliant idea ! :-) O'boy... this can get nasty. yes, if you don't hang together you'll hang one at a time. Come to Fairfield and, let us host you. Jai Guru Dev, -The Committee of Vigilantes for the Age of Enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ w No wonder your music works. You have a gift for getting to the essence. Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. What a brilliant idea ! :-) That was wickedly funny Nabby, nice one! It is also a useful grim reminder that opposing spiritual beliefs often reveals a desire to silence critics at any cost. Jai Guru Dev. No need to worry about this, I understand it is being taken care of. The Tru-Apostles of Maharishi meet in committee for public safety every Friday after lunch. To join in the Apostle's meeting, you need to know the hand-shake submit your username and password for Fairfieldlife in verification at the door. I am told that a current dome program badge may not get you in to the meeting without the hand-shake and your username password to Fairfieldlife for verification. The Vigilantes for the Age of Enlightenment committee of the Inquisition then meets after that. Reformation of the old TMmovement seems at hand. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The key to the fulfillment of every religion is found in the practice of transcendental meditation. This meditation is no threat to the authority of priests or ministers. It is something which belongs to their religions but which has been forgotten for many centuries. That's just super! Maharishi can come in and bring the key to the fulfillment of every religion. And the really SUPER thing is that your religion FORGOT this key for many centuries! Did ya know that? (ya dumass) Your religion needs the key that Maharishi has to be fulfilled. No, really! Lucky religious people! And BTW all the Hindu gods we will be doing rituals to as the fulfillment of your religion are not really gods at all. Now are you gunna believe your lying eyes or what I'm tell'n ya? See Maharishi is teaching the root and you are a branch. And people wonder why this didn't catch on like wildfire among religious people! A simple way to fix their broken superficial religion wait...this just in... Religious people don't view their religion as unfulfilled! They don't know they need a Vedic infusion. They think their own scriptures are better than Maharishi's scriptures. In this area Maharishi was the most presumptuous human I have ever come across. OK Curtis.you're back on first (who's on second?) with this brilliant summation. Brother man, you have a true knack for cutting to the core and just nailing it! No wonder your music works. You have a gift for getting to the essence. Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: I am going to throw one more thing out there, and then I am outtahere until late tomorrow. There has been several discussions on TM and religion over the past couple of days. There also has been discussions about whether TM or other effortless meditation techniques were used in the ancient world. Well, I recently pulled out my old smelly copy of The Science of Being and the Art of Living, and here are some quotes of MMY in the section on religion: The inner light of religion is missing from religious teachings; this is the case all over the world, with the result that peace and happiness are absent from the lives of people and everywhere tensions are increasing. It is time that transcendental meditation is adopted in churches, temples, mosques, and pagodas. Here in a simple practice is the fulfillment of every religion. It belongs to the spirit of every religion and has since been lost. Unfortunately, religious teachers seem to have put the cart before the horse. They advise man to behave righteously, teaching that through right action he will gain purity and be able to realize God. The right approach would be to offer a direct way of gaining God-consciousness. Established in higher consciousness, man would naturally behave righteously. Man behaves from his level of consciousness. Therefore any teaching of right action without a means of raising consciousness will always be ineffective. It is much easier to raise man's consciousness than to get him to act righteously. The key to the fulfillment of every religion is found in the practice of transcendental meditation. This meditation is no threat to the authority of priests or ministers. It is something which belongs to their religions but which has been forgotten for many centuries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
your denial sounds pretty presumptuous to me Curtis... Denial that religious people might feel this way about Maharishi's grand claim, or denial that you are Jim? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The key to the fulfillment of every religion is found in the practice of transcendental meditation. This meditation is no threat to the authority of priests or ministers. It is something which belongs to their religions but which has been forgotten for many centuries. That's just super! Maharishi can come in and bring the key to the fulfillment of every religion. And the really SUPER thing is that your religion FORGOT this key for many centuries! Did ya know that? (ya dumass) Your religion needs the key that Maharishi has to be fulfilled. No, really! Lucky religious people! And BTW all the Hindu gods we will be doing rituals to as the fulfillment of your religion are not really gods at all. Now are you gunna believe your lying eyes or what I'm tell'n ya? See Maharishi is teaching the root and you are a branch. And people wonder why this didn't catch on like wildfire among religious people! A simple way to fix their broken superficial religion wait...this just in... Religious people don't view their religion as unfulfilled! They don't know they need a Vedic infusion. They think their own scriptures are better than Maharishi's scriptures. In this area Maharishi was the most presumptuous human I have ever come across. your denial sounds pretty presumptuous to me Curtis...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The key to the fulfillment of every religion is found in the practice of transcendental meditation. This meditation is no threat to the authority of priests or ministers. It is something which belongs to their religions but which has been forgotten for many centuries. That's just super! Maharishi can come in and bring the key to the fulfillment of every religion. And the really SUPER thing is that your religion FORGOT this key for many centuries! Did ya know that? (ya dumass) Your religion needs the key that Maharishi has to be fulfilled. No, really! Lucky religious people! And BTW all the Hindu gods we will be doing rituals to as the fulfillment of your religion are not really gods at all. Now are you gunna believe your lying eyes or what I'm tell'n ya? See Maharishi is teaching the root and you are a branch. And people wonder why this didn't catch on like wildfire among religious people! A simple way to fix their broken superficial religion wait...this just in... Religious people don't view their religion as unfulfilled! They don't know they need a Vedic infusion. They think their own scriptures are better than Maharishi's scriptures. In this area Maharishi was the most presumptuous human I have ever come across. OK Curtis.you're back on first (who's on second?) with this brilliant summation. Brother man, you have a true knack for cutting to the core and just nailing it! No wonder your music works. You have a gift for getting to the essence. Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: I am going to throw one more thing out there, and then I am outtahere until late tomorrow. There has been several discussions on TM and religion over the past couple of days. There also has been discussions about whether TM or other effortless meditation techniques were used in the ancient world. Well, I recently pulled out my old smelly copy of The Science of Being and the Art of Living, and here are some quotes of MMY in the section on religion: The inner light of religion is missing from religious teachings; this is the case all over the world, with the result that peace and happiness are absent from the lives of people and everywhere tensions are increasing. It is time that transcendental meditation is adopted in churches, temples, mosques, and pagodas. Here in a simple practice is the fulfillment of every religion. It belongs to the spirit of every religion and has since been lost. Unfortunately, religious teachers seem to have put the cart before the horse. They advise man to behave righteously, teaching that through right action he will gain purity and be able to realize God. The right approach would be to offer a direct way of gaining God-consciousness. Established in higher consciousness, man would naturally behave righteously. Man behaves from his level of consciousness. Therefore any teaching of right action without a means of raising consciousness will always be ineffective. It is much easier to raise man's consciousness than to get him to act righteously. The key to the fulfillment of every religion is found in the practice of transcendental meditation. This meditation is no threat to the authority of priests or ministers. It is something which belongs to their religions but which has been forgotten for many centuries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The key to the fulfillment of every religion is found in the practice of transcendental meditation. This meditation is no threat to the authority of priests or ministers. It is something which belongs to their religions but which has been forgotten for many centuries. That's just super! Maharishi can come in and bring the key to the fulfillment of every religion. And the really SUPER thing is that your religion FORGOT this key for many centuries! Did ya know that? (ya dumass) Your religion needs the key that Maharishi has to be fulfilled. No, really! Lucky religious people! And BTW all the Hindu gods we will be doing rituals to as the fulfillment of your religion are not really gods at all. Now are you gunna believe your lying eyes or what I'm tell'n ya? See Maharishi is teaching the root and you are a branch. And people wonder why this didn't catch on like wildfire among religious people! A simple way to fix their broken superficial religion wait...this just in... Religious people don't view their religion as unfulfilled! They don't know they need a Vedic infusion. They think their own scriptures are better than Maharishi's scriptures. In this area Maharishi was the most presumptuous human I have ever come across. your denial sounds pretty presumptuous to me Curtis...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
The key to the fulfillment of every religion is found in the practice of transcendental meditation. This meditation is no threat to the authority of priests or ministers. It is something which belongs to their religions but which has been forgotten for many centuries. That's just super! Maharishi can come in and bring the key to the fulfillment of every religion. And the really SUPER thing is that your religion FORGOT this key for many centuries! Did ya know that? (ya dumass) Your religion needs the key that Maharishi has to be fulfilled. No, really! Lucky religious people! And BTW all the Hindu gods we will be doing rituals to as the fulfillment of your religion are not really gods at all. Now are you gunna believe your lying eyes or what I'm tell'n ya? See Maharishi is teaching the root and you are a branch. And people wonder why this didn't catch on like wildfire among religious people! A simple way to fix their broken superficial religion wait...this just in... Religious people don't view their religion as unfulfilled! They don't know they need a Vedic infusion. They think their own scriptures are better than Maharishi's scriptures. In this area Maharishi was the most presumptuous human I have ever come across. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to throw one more thing out there, and then I am outtahere until late tomorrow. There has been several discussions on TM and religion over the past couple of days. There also has been discussions about whether TM or other effortless meditation techniques were used in the ancient world. Well, I recently pulled out my old smelly copy of The Science of Being and the Art of Living, and here are some quotes of MMY in the section on religion: The inner light of religion is missing from religious teachings; this is the case all over the world, with the result that peace and happiness are absent from the lives of people and everywhere tensions are increasing. It is time that transcendental meditation is adopted in churches, temples, mosques, and pagodas. Here in a simple practice is the fulfillment of every religion. It belongs to the spirit of every religion and has since been lost. Unfortunately, religious teachers seem to have put the cart before the horse. They advise man to behave righteously, teaching that through right action he will gain purity and be able to realize God. The right approach would be to offer a direct way of gaining God-consciousness. Established in higher consciousness, man would naturally behave righteously. Man behaves from his level of consciousness. Therefore any teaching of right action without a means of raising consciousness will always be ineffective. It is much easier to raise man's consciousness than to get him to act righteously. The key to the fulfillment of every religion is found in the practice of transcendental meditation. This meditation is no threat to the authority of priests or ministers. It is something which belongs to their religions but which has been forgotten for many centuries.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:17 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Why don’t you both come to the Midwest and we’ll all hang. Make it on the first Friday of the month, especially a warm month, and you’ll hit the Art Walk, where the whole town turns out and meanders around the square. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1275 - Release Date: 2/12/2008 3:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Watch your e-mail.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
Party! Who's coming? I'd be there if those two showed up. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:17 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Why don't you both come to the Midwest and we'll all hang. Make it on the first Friday of the month, especially a warm month, and you'll hit the Art Walk, where the whole town turns out and meanders around the square. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1275 - Release Date: 2/12/2008 3:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Ever get to the west coast? We should hang. This must happen. Please email me some digits to we can talk. Watch your e-mail. Shit. I've lost your e-mail Write me Curtis! Now Rick has thrown an idea in there. Holy schmolly Fairfield? I've actually never been there. Grew up in the midwest, ran centers in the MW, but never wanted to return after moving to the left coast. Fairfield.h. What say you Curtis? Travel-wize I've got SE Asia looming in March and Germany/France in April. But a weekend + a few in FF in the early spring. Part-t!
