[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote: In his
 Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the constant practice
 of meditation, this infusion continues to grow and when it is full-grown
 cosmic consciousness will have been attained.   Once this state is
 attained, to fall from it is impossible.  pg  173  from The
 Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underliningfor emphasis:
 When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, even when the mind
 emerges from the Transcendent and engages in the field of activity, then
 self-consciousness attains the status of cosmic consciousness. 
 Self-consciousness is then established eternally in the nature of the
 mind.  pg 249
 Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean effort,
 as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming hold of
 enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants to stay under
 the influence or to be held so firmly by the force of this power over
 them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC unless he had taken the steps
 he did to counteract that state. You are implying, Share, that his UC
 was not real because he is no longer in that state of consciousness. You
 see, what you write here is transparent.

Maybe transparent to you Ann (and now to Judy who's chimed in with her support) 
but that's just the way you roll or whatever you seem to be looking for. 
Whatever is *transparent* to you, what the hell difference does it make? It 
seems that a few of you are making a concerted effort to beat on those with 
differing viewpoints until they just give up and no longer post here or at 
least post less frequently. Is that what you're trying to do Ann?

Anyway, what you write above *seems* transparent to me but, then again, maybe 
that's just the way I roll. Or maybe what you write touches my heart, but not 
in a good way, and forces me to respond. BTW, love the boldface on your entire 
response...almost as good as underline.

snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
  In his Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the
  constant practice of meditation, this infusion continues to
  grow and when it is full-grown cosmic consciousness will
  have been attained. Once this state is attained, to fall
  from it is impossible. pg 173
 
  from The  Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underlining
  for emphasis: When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, 
  even when the mind emerges from the Transcendent and engages in
  the field of activity, then self-consciousness attains the status
  of cosmic consciousness. Self-consciousness is then established 
  eternally in the nature of the mind.  pg 249
 
 Ann wrote:
  Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean 
  effort, as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming
  hold of enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants
  to stay under the influence or to be held so firmly by the force
  of this power over them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC
  unless he had taken the steps he did to counteract that state.
  You are implying, Share, that his UC was not real because he is
  no longer in that state of consciousness. You see, what you write 
  here is transparent.
 
 Judy adds:
 She fully intended it to be transparent. (Don'cha love the
 way she underlines forever and eternally just to make
 sure we don't miss them?) At least Nabby had the guts and
 integrity to put his point right out there.
 
 Note that Maharishi writes, TO FALL from [cosmic
 consciousness] is impossible. To fall implies something
 that happens against one's will, something one doesn't want
 to happen. Robin *wanted* to get out of the state he was in
 and, as Ann says, made a conscious and concerted Herculean
 effort to do so--and *sustained* that effort for *25 years*,
 a third of a lifetime.
 
 That doesn't seem to be what Maharishi was saying is
 impossible. (And even if he was, that doesn't mean he was
 correct. He wasn't always right, as we all know.) It's
 likely Maharishi never even conceived of someone going at
 it as Robin did.
 
 Wanting to go back to waking state *isn't in the books*, it
 isn't something that is taught. It's assumed that the
 enlightened state will always remain desirable once it has
 been achieved. At least, I've never seen anything to the
 contrary from a teacher of enlightenment; if anyone else has,
 please set me straight.

At least the above gave me a good laugh for the day and maybe even for the 
week. I have never seen anyone sink to this level in order defend their 
position. However, not quite as good as:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328550
where you wrote to Share: I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences 
that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good
intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. 
That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of 
the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, 
his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly 
be. 

OMG, look at the time. Gotta get to work. I wonder if too much laughter is bad 
for someone? BTW Judy, do you prefer boldface or underline?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote: In his
  Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the constant
practice
  of meditation, this infusion continues to grow and when it is
full-grown
  cosmic consciousness will have been attained.   Once this state
is
  attained, to fall from it is impossible.  pg  173  from The
  Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underliningfor emphasis:
  When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, even when the
mind
  emerges from the Transcendent and engages in the field of activity,
then
  self-consciousness attains the status of cosmic consciousness.Â
  Self-consciousness is then established eternally in the nature of
the
  mind.  pg 249
  Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean
effort,
  as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming hold of
  enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants to stay
under
  the influence or to be held so firmly by the force of this power
over
  them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC unless he had taken the
steps
  he did to counteract that state. You are implying, Share, that his
UC
  was not real because he is no longer in that state of consciousness.
You
  see, what you write here is transparent.

 Maybe transparent to you Ann (and now to Judy who's chimed in with her
support) but that's just the way you roll or whatever you seem to be
looking for. Whatever is *transparent* to you, what the hell difference
does it make? It seems that a few of you are making a concerted effort
to beat on those with differing viewpoints until they just give up and
no longer post here or at least post less frequently. Is that what
you're trying to do Ann?

 Anyway, what you write above *seems* transparent to me but, then
again, maybe that's just the way I roll. Or maybe what you write touches
my heart, but not in a good way, and forces me to respond. BTW, love the
boldface on your entire response...almost as good as underline.
Here Sweetie, just in case you like this better. If you hadn't noticed,
yesterday the formatting of the posts here was wonkified so people were
using all sorts of ways to identify who wrote what in each post. What,
do you think I was using bold to emphasize how important what I say is,
you twit?Funny how you indulge your negative reactions so well. Just a
little touch of anger in your heart and you're off to the races. Now, my
question to you: do you like the bold pink or bold black without the
italics better?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[Robin Carlsen]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
   In his Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the
   constant practice of meditation, this infusion continues to
   grow and when it is full-grown cosmic consciousness will
   have been attained. Once this state is attained, to fall
   from it is impossible. pg 173
  
   from The  Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underlining
   for emphasis: When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, 
   even when the mind emerges from the Transcendent and engages in
   the field of activity, then self-consciousness attains the status
   of cosmic consciousness. Self-consciousness is then established 
   eternally in the nature of the mind.  pg 249
  
  Ann wrote:
   Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean 
   effort, as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming
   hold of enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants
   to stay under the influence or to be held so firmly by the force
   of this power over them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC
   unless he had taken the steps he did to counteract that state.
   You are implying, Share, that his UC was not real because he is
   no longer in that state of consciousness. You see, what you write 
   here is transparent.
  
  Judy adds:
  She fully intended it to be transparent. (Don'cha love the
  way she underlines forever and eternally just to make
  sure we don't miss them?) At least Nabby had the guts and
  integrity to put his point right out there.
  
  Note that Maharishi writes, TO FALL from [cosmic
  consciousness] is impossible. To fall implies something
  that happens against one's will, something one doesn't want
  to happen. Robin *wanted* to get out of the state he was in
  and, as Ann says, made a conscious and concerted Herculean
  effort to do so--and *sustained* that effort for *25 years*,
  a third of a lifetime.
  
  That doesn't seem to be what Maharishi was saying is
  impossible. (And even if he was, that doesn't mean he was
  correct. He wasn't always right, as we all know.) It's
  likely Maharishi never even conceived of someone going at
  it as Robin did.
  
  Wanting to go back to waking state *isn't in the books*, it
  isn't something that is taught. It's assumed that the
  enlightened state will always remain desirable once it has
  been achieved. At least, I've never seen anything to the
  contrary from a teacher of enlightenment; if anyone else has,
  please set me straight.
 
 At least the above gave me a good laugh for the day and maybe even for the 
 week. I have never seen anyone sink to this level in order defend their 
 position. However, not quite as good as:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328550
 where you wrote to Share: I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences 
 that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good
 intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. 
 That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those 
 of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his 
 idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could 
 possibly be. 
 
 OMG, look at the time. Gotta get to work. I wonder if too much laughter is 
 bad for someone? BTW Judy, do you prefer boldface or underline?

If sex were all, then every trembling hand
Could make us squeak, like dolls, the wished-for words.
But note the unconscionable treachery of fate,
That makes us weep, laugh, grunt and groan, and shout
Doleful heroics, pinching gestures forth
From madness or delight, without regard
To that first, foremost law. Anguishing hour!
Last night, we sat beside a pool of pink,
Clippered with lilies scudding the bright chromes,
Keen to the point of starlight, while a frog
Boomed from his very belly odious chords.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[Robin Carlsen]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote: In his
  Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the constant practice
  of meditation, this infusion continues to grow and when it is full-grown
  cosmic consciousness will have been attained.   Once this state is
  attained, to fall from it is impossible.  pg  173  from The
  Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underliningfor emphasis:
  When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, even when the mind
  emerges from the Transcendent and engages in the field of activity, then
  self-consciousness attains the status of cosmic consciousness. 
  Self-consciousness is then established eternally in the nature of the
  mind.  pg 249
  Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean effort,
  as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming hold of
  enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants to stay under
  the influence or to be held so firmly by the force of this power over
  them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC unless he had taken the steps
  he did to counteract that state. You are implying, Share, that his UC
  was not real because he is no longer in that state of consciousness. You
  see, what you write here is transparent.
 
 Maybe transparent to you Ann (and now to Judy who's chimed in with her 
 support) but that's just the way you roll or whatever you seem to be looking 
 for. Whatever is *transparent* to you, what the hell difference does it make? 
 It seems that a few of you are making a concerted effort to beat on those 
 with differing viewpoints until they just give up and no longer post here or 
 at least post less frequently. Is that what you're trying to do Ann?
 
 Anyway, what you write above *seems* transparent to me but, then again, maybe 
 that's just the way I roll. Or maybe what you write touches my heart, but not 
 in a good way, and forces me to respond. BTW, love the boldface on your 
 entire response...almost as good as underline.

A High-Toned Old Christian Woman
 
Poetry is the supreme fiction, madame.
Take the moral law and make a nave of it
And from the nave build haunted heaven. Thus,
The conscience is converted into palms,
Like windy citherns hankering for hymns.
We agree in principle. That's clear. But take
The opposing law and make a peristyle,
And from the peristyle project a masque
Beyond the planets. Thus, our bawdiness,
Unpurged by epitaph, indulged at last,
Is equally converted into palms,
Squiggling like saxophones. And palm for palm,
Madame, we are where we began. Allow,
Therefore, that in the planetary scene
Your disaffected flagellants, well-stuffed,
Smacking their muzzy bellies in parade,
Proud of such novelties of the sublime,
Such tink and tank and tunk-a-tunk-tunk,
May, merely may, madame, whip from themselves
A jovial hullabaloo among the spheres.
This will make widows wince. But fictive things
Wink as they will. Wink most when widows wince. 

Wallace Stevens

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
   In his Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the
   constant practice of meditation, this infusion continues to
   grow and when it is full-grown cosmic consciousness will
   have been attained. Once this state is attained, to fall
   from it is impossible. pg 173
  
   from The  Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underlining
   for emphasis: When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, 
   even when the mind emerges from the Transcendent and engages in
   the field of activity, then self-consciousness attains the status
   of cosmic consciousness. Self-consciousness is then established 
   eternally in the nature of the mind.  pg 249
  
  Ann wrote:
   Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean 
   effort, as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming
   hold of enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants
   to stay under the influence or to be held so firmly by the force
   of this power over them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC
   unless he had taken the steps he did to counteract that state.
   You are implying, Share, that his UC was not real because he is
   no longer in that state of consciousness. You see, what you write 
   here is transparent.
  
  Judy adds:
  She fully intended it to be transparent. (Don'cha love the
  way she underlines forever and eternally just to make
  sure we don't miss them?) At least Nabby had the guts and
  integrity to put his point right out there.
  
  Note that Maharishi writes, TO FALL from [cosmic
  consciousness] is impossible. To fall implies something
  that happens against one's will, something one doesn't want
  to happen. Robin *wanted* to get out of the state he was in
  and, as Ann says, made a conscious and concerted Herculean
  effort to do so--and *sustained* that effort for *25 years*,
  a third of a lifetime.
  
  That doesn't seem to be what Maharishi was saying is
  impossible. (And even if he was, that doesn't mean he was
  correct. He wasn't always right, as we all know.) It's
  likely Maharishi never even conceived of someone going at
  it as Robin did.
  
  Wanting to go back to waking state *isn't in the books*, it
  isn't something that is taught. It's assumed that the
  enlightened state will always remain desirable once it has
  been achieved. At least, I've never seen anything to the
  contrary from a teacher of enlightenment; if anyone else has,
  please set me straight.


Are you getting help for your inability to comprehend and/or
express a coherent thought, laughinggull?


 At least the above gave me a good laugh for the day and maybe
 even for the week. I have never seen anyone sink to this level
 in order defend their position. However, not quite as good as:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328550
 where you wrote to Share: I stand by what I said. The negative
 intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used*
 his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to
 further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* 
 intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative 
 intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism,
 his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they
 could possibly be. 
 
 OMG, look at the time. Gotta get to work. I wonder if too much 
 laughter is bad for someone? BTW Judy, do you prefer boldface
 or underline?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[Robin Carlsen]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
   In his Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the
   constant practice of meditation, this infusion continues to
   grow and when it is full-grown cosmic consciousness will
   have been attained. Once this state is attained, to fall
   from it is impossible. pg 173
  
   from The  Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underlining
   for emphasis: When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, 
   even when the mind emerges from the Transcendent and engages in
   the field of activity, then self-consciousness attains the status
   of cosmic consciousness. Self-consciousness is then established 
   eternally in the nature of the mind.  pg 249
  
  Ann wrote:
   Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean 
   effort, as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming
   hold of enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants
   to stay under the influence or to be held so firmly by the force
   of this power over them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC
   unless he had taken the steps he did to counteract that state.
   You are implying, Share, that his UC was not real because he is
   no longer in that state of consciousness. You see, what you write 
   here is transparent.
  
  Judy adds:
  She fully intended it to be transparent. (Don'cha love the
  way she underlines forever and eternally just to make
  sure we don't miss them?) At least Nabby had the guts and
  integrity to put his point right out there.
  
  Note that Maharishi writes, TO FALL from [cosmic
  consciousness] is impossible. To fall implies something
  that happens against one's will, something one doesn't want
  to happen. Robin *wanted* to get out of the state he was in
  and, as Ann says, made a conscious and concerted Herculean
  effort to do so--and *sustained* that effort for *25 years*,
  a third of a lifetime.
  
  That doesn't seem to be what Maharishi was saying is
  impossible. (And even if he was, that doesn't mean he was
  correct. He wasn't always right, as we all know.) It's
  likely Maharishi never even conceived of someone going at
  it as Robin did.
  
  Wanting to go back to waking state *isn't in the books*, it
  isn't something that is taught. It's assumed that the
  enlightened state will always remain desirable once it has
  been achieved. At least, I've never seen anything to the
  contrary from a teacher of enlightenment; if anyone else has,
  please set me straight.
 
 At least the above gave me a good laugh for the day and maybe even for the 
 week. I have never seen anyone sink to this level in order defend their 
 position. However, not quite as good as:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328550
 where you wrote to Share: I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences 
 that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good
 intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. 
 That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those 
 of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his 
 idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could 
 possibly be. 
 
 OMG, look at the time. Gotta get to work. I wonder if too much laughter is 
 bad for someone? BTW Judy, do you prefer boldface or underline?

The proud black swan hissing her contempt for the unthoughtful barking of the 
excited spaniel.

When the coldness of the air bites our cheeks, do we believe we will be alive 
again when the heat of summer burns the sand?

What aches and pains these animals feel, who cannot tell us how silent their 
misery becomes--until their secret fate is changed, and they are happy once 
again.

What a privilege it must be to think our feelings right because they are our 
own, and in their smugness and complacency that we have done away with death.

Poor gulls which laugh easily as the majestic eagle pierces with his talons 
young birds who never will feel their wings beating.

The sensation you are left with after you have spoken, its boredom tells us all 
you need to know of unsuspected tragedy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote: In his
   Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the constant
 practice
   of meditation, this infusion continues to grow and when it is
 full-grown
   cosmic consciousness will have been attained.   Once this state
 is
   attained, to fall from it is impossible.  pg  173  from The
   Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underliningfor emphasis:
   When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, even when the
 mind
   emerges from the Transcendent and engages in the field of activity,
 then
   self-consciousness attains the status of cosmic consciousness.Â
   Self-consciousness is then established eternally in the nature of
 the
   mind.  pg 249
   Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean
 effort,
   as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming hold of
   enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants to stay
 under
   the influence or to be held so firmly by the force of this power
 over
   them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC unless he had taken the
 steps
   he did to counteract that state. You are implying, Share, that his
 UC
   was not real because he is no longer in that state of consciousness.
 You
   see, what you write here is transparent.
 
  Maybe transparent to you Ann (and now to Judy who's chimed in with her
 support) but that's just the way you roll or whatever you seem to be
 looking for. Whatever is *transparent* to you, what the hell difference
 does it make? It seems that a few of you are making a concerted effort
 to beat on those with differing viewpoints until they just give up and
 no longer post here or at least post less frequently. Is that what
 you're trying to do Ann?
 
  Anyway, what you write above *seems* transparent to me but, then
 again, maybe that's just the way I roll. Or maybe what you write touches
 my heart, but not in a good way, and forces me to respond. BTW, love the
 boldface on your entire response...almost as good as underline.
 Here Sweetie, just in case you like this better. If you hadn't noticed,
 yesterday the formatting of the posts here was wonkified so people were
 using all sorts of ways to identify who wrote what in each post. What,
 do you think I was using bold to emphasize how important what I say is,
 you twit?Funny how you indulge your negative reactions so well. Just a
 little touch of anger in your heart and you're off to the races. Now, my
 question to you: do you like the bold pink or bold black without the
 italics better?
 
 

Could you do bold pink italics *and* underline everything?

The Twit

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
In his Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the
constant practice of meditation, this infusion continues to
grow and when it is full-grown cosmic consciousness will
have been attained. Once this state is attained, to fall
from it is impossible. pg 173
   
from The  Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underlining
for emphasis: When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, 
even when the mind emerges from the Transcendent and engages in
the field of activity, then self-consciousness attains the status
of cosmic consciousness. Self-consciousness is then established 
eternally in the nature of the mind.  pg 249
   
   Ann wrote:
Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean 
effort, as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming
hold of enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants
to stay under the influence or to be held so firmly by the force
of this power over them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC
unless he had taken the steps he did to counteract that state.
You are implying, Share, that his UC was not real because he is
no longer in that state of consciousness. You see, what you write 
here is transparent.
   
   Judy adds:
   She fully intended it to be transparent. (Don'cha love the
   way she underlines forever and eternally just to make
   sure we don't miss them?) At least Nabby had the guts and
   integrity to put his point right out there.
   
   Note that Maharishi writes, TO FALL from [cosmic
   consciousness] is impossible. To fall implies something
   that happens against one's will, something one doesn't want
   to happen. Robin *wanted* to get out of the state he was in
   and, as Ann says, made a conscious and concerted Herculean
   effort to do so--and *sustained* that effort for *25 years*,
   a third of a lifetime.
   
   That doesn't seem to be what Maharishi was saying is
   impossible. (And even if he was, that doesn't mean he was
   correct. He wasn't always right, as we all know.) It's
   likely Maharishi never even conceived of someone going at
   it as Robin did.
   
   Wanting to go back to waking state *isn't in the books*, it
   isn't something that is taught. It's assumed that the
   enlightened state will always remain desirable once it has
   been achieved. At least, I've never seen anything to the
   contrary from a teacher of enlightenment; if anyone else has,
   please set me straight.
 
 
 Are you getting help for your inability to comprehend and/or
 express a coherent thought, laughinggull?
 

Yes, a couple of people are helping all they can with the little free time they 
have. And, of course, I have an editor, but she starts her Christmas vacation 
this weekend...then my posts will rely take a nosedive. Comprehend them 
while you can.

 
  At least the above gave me a good laugh for the day and maybe
  even for the week. I have never seen anyone sink to this level
  in order defend their position. However, not quite as good as:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328550
  where you wrote to Share: I stand by what I said. The negative
  intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used*
  his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to
  further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* 
  intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative 
  intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism,
  his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they
  could possibly be. 
  
  OMG, look at the time. Gotta get to work. I wonder if too much 
  laughter is bad for someone? BTW Judy, do you prefer boldface
  or underline?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote: In his
   Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the constant
 practice
   of meditation, this infusion continues to grow and when it is
 full-grown
   cosmic consciousness will have been attained.   Once this state
 is
   attained, to fall from it is impossible.  pg  173  from The
   Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underliningfor emphasis:
   When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, even when the
 mind
   emerges from the Transcendent and engages in the field of activity,
 then
   self-consciousness attains the status of cosmic consciousness.Â
   Self-consciousness is then established eternally in the nature of
 the
   mind.  pg 249
   Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean
 effort,
   as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming hold of
   enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants to stay
 under
   the influence or to be held so firmly by the force of this power
 over
   them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC unless he had taken the
 steps
   he did to counteract that state. You are implying, Share, that his
 UC
   was not real because he is no longer in that state of consciousness.
 You
   see, what you write here is transparent.
 
  Maybe transparent to you Ann (and now to Judy who's chimed in with her
 support) but that's just the way you roll or whatever you seem to be
 looking for. Whatever is *transparent* to you, what the hell difference
 does it make? It seems that a few of you are making a concerted effort
 to beat on those with differing viewpoints until they just give up and
 no longer post here or at least post less frequently. Is that what
 you're trying to do Ann?
 
  Anyway, what you write above *seems* transparent to me but, then
 again, maybe that's just the way I roll. Or maybe what you write touches
 my heart, but not in a good way, and forces me to respond. BTW, love the
 boldface on your entire response...almost as good as underline.
 Here Sweetie, just in case you like this better. If you hadn't noticed,
 yesterday the formatting of the posts here was wonkified so people were
 using all sorts of ways to identify who wrote what in each post.
What,
 do you think I was using bold to emphasize how important what I say is,
 you twit?

Oh yes, that's what I thought Ann. As in following Share's lead of underlining 
for emphasis, I thought you were trying to one-up her by using all boldface. 
Very transparent indeed.

 Funny how you indulge your negative reactions so well. 

When nature calls, you know. That's the power of your posts.

Just a
 little touch of anger in your heart and you're off to the races. Now, my
 question to you: do you like the bold pink or bold black without the
 italics better?
 

Answered that in an earlier post.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[Robin Carlsen]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
 In his Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the constant practice 
of meditation, this infusion continues to grow and when it is full-grown cosmic 
consciousness will have been attained.  
 Once this state is attained, to fall from it is impossible.  pg  173
 
 from The Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underliningfor emphasis:
 When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, even when the mind emerges 
from the Transcendent and engages in the field of activity, then 
self-consciousness attains the status of cosmic consciousness.  
Self-consciousness is then established eternally in the nature of the mind. 
 pg 249

Look: I never said I got anywhere near SLC. You are established in SLC--and 
certainly it is as unified as UC. Just please don't shoot any of those helpless 
stars out of the night sky.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Robin Carlsen 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:32 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of Being Enlightened Perfectly 
Described
  
 
   
 
 The Lord speaks through him, the omnipresent cosmic life gains expression in 
his activity, the omniscient is expressed in the limitations of the man's 
individual personality, the cosmic intelligence finds expression in his 
individual mind, the thought of cosmic life is materialized in his process of 
thinking, the immutable silence of eternal Being finds expression in the man's 
thought, speech and action. The man's eyes behold the purpose of God, his ears 
hear the music of cosmic life, his hands hold onto cosmic intentions, his feet 
set the cosmic life in motion; he walks on earth, yet walks in the destiny of 
heaven; he sees, yet sees the glory of God; he hears, yet hears the silence; he 
speaks, yet speaks the word of God; he speaks, yet speaks the intention of God; 
he speaks and draws out the purpose of cosmic life; he speaks and gives 
expression to the cosmic purpose; he speaks yet his words speak eternal Being. 
The man is the living expression of the
  omnipresent, omniscient, cosmic existence.
 
 Here is he who can speak for God, here is he who can speak for the cosmic 
law, here is he who acts for God, here is the image of God on earth. His life 
is the stream of cosmic Being. His individual life stream is a tidal wave of 
the eternal ocean of cosmic Being, a wave which holds within itself the entire 
ocean of cosmic life. He is the expression of the inexpressible eternal Being. 
He moves in the ever immovable status of the Absolute; his activity of relative 
existence expresses the eternal silence of the Absolute. In the radiance of his 
relative life, the Absolute finds in him an expression of its Being. Angels and 
gods enjoy his being on earth, and the earth and heavens enjoy the existence of 
the bliss of eternal Being embodied in the form of man.
 
 The formless appears in form, the silence becomes vibrant, the inexpressible 
is expressed in a personality, and the cosmic life is breathed by the 
individual.
 
 This is how, when the breath of the individual becomes the impulse of eternal 
life, the individuality breathes universal existence, and then is gained the 
fulfillment of life.
 
 The Science of Being and Art of Living by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 
 There is no exaggeration here; this was my experience on that mountain on 
Arosa and for ten years after this.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[Ravi Chivukula]

Just please don't shoot any of those helpless stars out of the night sky.

WTF..LOL..a real good one.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.comwrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:

 In his Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the constant
 practice of meditation, this infusion continues to grow and when it is
 full-grown cosmic consciousness will have been attained.Â
 Once this state is attained, to fall from it is impossible.  pg  173

 from The Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underliningfor
 emphasis:
 When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, even when the mind
 emerges from the Transcendent and engages in the field of activity, then
 self-consciousness attains the status of cosmic consciousness.Â
 Self-consciousness is then established eternally in the nature of the mind.
 pg 249

 Look: I never said I got anywhere near SLC. You are established in
 SLC--and certainly it is as unified as UC. Just please don't shoot any of
 those helpless stars out of the night sky.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote: In his
Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the constant practice
of meditation, this infusion continues to grow and when it is full-grown
cosmic consciousness will have been attained.   Once this state is
attained, to fall from it is impossible.  pg  173  from The
Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underliningfor emphasis:
When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, even when the mind
emerges from the Transcendent and engages in the field of activity, then
self-consciousness attains the status of cosmic consciousness. 
Self-consciousness is then established eternally in the nature of the
mind.  pg 249
Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean effort,
as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming hold of
enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants to stay under
the influence or to be held so firmly by the force of this power over
them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC unless he had taken the steps
he did to counteract that state. You are implying, Share, that his UC
was not real because he is no longer in that state of consciousness. You
see, what you write here is transparent.
    From: Robin Carlsen  To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of Being Enlightened Perfectly
DescribedÂThe Lord speaks through him, the omnipresent
cosmic life gains expression in his activity, the omniscient is
expressed in the limitations of the man's individual personality, the
cosmic intelligence finds expression in his individual mind, the thought
of cosmic life is materialized in his process of thinking, the immutable
silence of eternal Being finds expression in the man's thought, speech
and action. The man's eyes behold the purpose of God, his ears hear the
music of cosmic life, his hands hold onto cosmic intentions, his feet
set the cosmic life in motion; he walks on earth, yet walks in the
destiny of heaven; he sees, yet sees the glory of God; he hears, yet
hears the silence; he speaks, yet speaks the word of God; he speaks, yet
speaks the intention of God; he speaks and draws out the purpose of
cosmic life; he speaks and gives expression to the cosmic purpose; he
speaks yet his words speak eternal Being. The man is the living
expression of the  omnipresent, omniscient, cosmic existence.  Here is
he who can speak for God, here is he who can speak for the cosmic law,
here is he who acts for God, here is the image of God on earth. His life
is the stream of cosmic Being. His individual life stream is a tidal
wave of the eternal ocean of cosmic Being, a wave which holds within
itself the entire ocean of cosmic life. He is the expression of the
inexpressible eternal Being. He moves in the ever immovable status of
the Absolute; his activity of relative existence expresses the eternal
silence of the Absolute. In the radiance of his relative life, the
Absolute finds in him an expression of its Being. Angels and gods enjoy
his being on earth, and the earth and heavens enjoy the existence of the
bliss of eternal Being embodied in the form of man.  The formless
appears in form, the silence becomes vibrant, the inexpressible is
expressed in a personality, and the cosmic life is breathed by the
individual.  This is how, when the breath of the individual becomes the
impulse of eternal life, the individuality breathes universal existence,
and then is gained the fulfillment of life.  The Science of Being and
Art of Living by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi  There is no exaggeration here;
this was my experience on that mountain on Arosa and for ten years after
this.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of Being Enlightened to Nablusoss

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 In his Commentary on the Gita Maharishi explains, With the
 constant practice of meditation, this infusion continues to
 grow and when it is full-grown cosmic consciousness will
 have been attained. Once this state is attained, to fall
 from it is impossible. pg 173

 from The  Science of Being and Art of Living, with my underlining
 for emphasis: When this self-consciousness is forever maintained, 
 even when the mind emerges from the Transcendent and engages in
 the field of activity, then self-consciousness attains the status
 of cosmic consciousness. Self-consciousness is then established 
 eternally in the nature of the mind.  pg 249

Ann wrote:
 Unless, of course, you make a conscious and concerted Herculean 
 effort, as Robin evidently did, to overthrow the overwhelming
 hold of enlightenment on yourself. It appears not everyone wants
 to stay under the influence or to be held so firmly by the force
 of this power over them. I daresay Robin would still be in UC
 unless he had taken the steps he did to counteract that state.
 You are implying, Share, that his UC was not real because he is
 no longer in that state of consciousness. You see, what you write 
 here is transparent.

Judy adds:
She fully intended it to be transparent. (Don'cha love the
way she underlines forever and eternally just to make
sure we don't miss them?) At least Nabby had the guts and
integrity to put his point right out there.

Note that Maharishi writes, TO FALL from [cosmic
consciousness] is impossible. To fall implies something
that happens against one's will, something one doesn't want
to happen. Robin *wanted* to get out of the state he was in
and, as Ann says, made a conscious and concerted Herculean
effort to do so--and *sustained* that effort for *25 years*,
a third of a lifetime.

That doesn't seem to be what Maharishi was saying is
impossible. (And even if he was, that doesn't mean he was
correct. He wasn't always right, as we all know.) It's
likely Maharishi never even conceived of someone going at
it as Robin did.

Wanting to go back to waking state *isn't in the books*, it
isn't something that is taught. It's assumed that the
enlightened state will always remain desirable once it has
been achieved. At least, I've never seen anything to the
contrary from a teacher of enlightenment; if anyone else has,
please set me straight.