Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes
Richard, I've been wanting to say this to you for a long time: where I come from, and even where I am right now, silence absolutely does not always signify agreement. Sometimes it just means that I'm too busy to reply, as when I was traveling. Or it might mean that I don't want to get embroiled in a certain topic. Like that, like that... On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:17 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/20/2014 7:14 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. Some informants used to make fun of my janitor job at the community college - Barry even suggested that I screwed prairie dogs in my spare time. Judy once called me a mollusk. You are the first person on this list that has ever complained about these personal attacks. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Go figure. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
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On 5/23/2014 9:51 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I've been wanting to say this to you for a long time: where I come from, and even where I am right now, silence absolutely does not always signify agreement. Sometimes it just means that I'm too busy to reply, as when I was traveling. Or it might mean that I don't want to get embroiled in a certain topic. Like that, like that... It's just a saying that you failed to address the important issues. Go figure. It's sort of like being with a group of people at a dance party and trying to have fun with strangers. Several of the group don't want to join in the conversation, they just stand back by the wall and watch or stare. A few of the people do all the dancing, but refuse to dance with some of the others, so they just ignore them. There's always at least one guy who wants to trip one of the dancers. The question is, if you're not going to dance, why did you come to the dance party? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Richard, you're right. I don't always address the important issues. Sometimes it's because I don't think I know enough about them to make a useful contribution to the discussion. And sometimes I don't because I've seen in the past that to do so does not have a good result. FFL seems to be a rough and tumble place and I don't think that is going to change, no matter how much anyone admonishes. On Friday, May 23, 2014 3:26 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/23/2014 9:51 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I've been wanting to say this to you for a long time: where I come from, and even where I am right now, silence absolutely does not always signify agreement. Sometimes it just means that I'm too busy to reply, as when I was traveling. Or it might mean that I don't want to get embroiled in a certain topic. Like that, like that... It's just a saying that you failed to address the important issues. Go figure. It's sort of like being with a group of people at a dance party and trying to have fun with strangers. Several of the group don't want to join in the conversation, they just stand back by the wall and watch or stare. A few of the people do all the dancing, but refuse to dance with some of the others, so they just ignore them. There's always at least one guy who wants to trip one of the dancers. The question is, if you're not going to dance, why did you come to the dance party? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Share, he wasn't talking to you personally I don't think. Richard is like a broken record with these sayings of his - stock comments that seldom apply to what the topic at hand is and are patently immaterial and irrelevant. Although I realize you warned him about me and stated here that you would be happy to read 300 comments of his per week, take it from me - just be grateful that he got the attention he desired apparently (either from FFL or maybe from Rita too), after his stint of 200/week, and is currently exercising some degree of self-restraint, hard as that may be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, you're right. I don't always address the important issues. Sometimes it's because I don't think I know enough about them to make a useful contribution to the discussion. And sometimes I don't because I've seen in the past that to do so does not have a good result. FFL seems to be a rough and tumble place and I don't think that is going to change, no matter how much anyone admonishes. On Friday, May 23, 2014 3:26 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/23/2014 9:51 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I've been wanting to say this to you for a long time: where I come from, and even where I am right now, silence absolutely does not always signify agreement. Sometimes it just means that I'm too busy to reply, as when I was traveling. Or it might mean that I don't want to get embroiled in a certain topic. Like that, like that... It's just a saying that you failed to address the important issues. Go figure. It's sort of like being with a group of people at a dance party and trying to have fun with strangers. Several of the group don't want to join in the conversation, they just stand back by the wall and watch or stare. A few of the people do all the dancing, but refuse to dance with some of the others, so they just ignore them. There's always at least one guy who wants to trip one of the dancers. The question is, if you're not going to dance, why did you come to the dance party? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/22/2014 12:52 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Prairie Dogs can protect their own reputation. Nobody wants to talk about the personal attacks made by the forum informants against the /willytex/. They are probably embarrassed so they just try to ignore it. I mean, who in their right mind would call somebody they disagreed with a /troll/ over 100 times in the course of ten years of corresponding? /Shunning/ is apparently typical TMO behavior. One respondent on this list has been called a /liar/ over 600 times. That's got to be a record of some kind! It's hard to believe that otherwise nice people would stoop to posting racist remarks about another person's birth circumstances, where they were born, their ethnicity, their sexual orientation, what they believe in, and what political views they have,/just to win a religious debate. / Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Oh, I don't know, I suppose decent is as good a term as any. Just not special. Better than most of the posters on FFL. But he's a hack writer, not an artist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh, okay, thank you for making that distinction. I guess what is unsaid is that you must feel that he is a decent writer. I'd say that he is quite a good writer myself. I may disagree with some of the conclusions he comes up with, but as far his writing, I think it's pretty good. And of course, I guess, so does the marketplace ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, well, no, I haven't, actually. I've done that very rarely. What an imagination you have! I have said I think his writing skills mask his lack of depth, but that's a criticism of his thinking ability, not his writing ability. He has certainly many times asserted that I can't write. Which is fine; I'm an editor, I don't pretend to be a writer. I'm able to express myself here to my own satisfaction. But he believes editing is an unskilled profession that I should be ashamed of, much to my amusement. No doubt he'll weigh in overnight at some length on this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Well, Barry is a writer by profession, and you have many times taken issue with his writing abilities as demonstrated here. That is what I was referring to in regards to that. But there is a difference in saying that so and so's writing lacks creativity, and some of very personal attacks we sometimes see here. For me, there is a difference. For others, perhaps not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Barry has demeaned my livelihood many times. I can't recall ever demeaning his. And how is this not what you're referring to? (BTW, do you know who Squeaky Fromme was?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment...
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On 5/20/2014 7:14 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. Some informants used to make fun of my janitor job at the community college - Barry even suggested that I screwed prairie dogs in my spare time. Judy once called me a mollusk. You are the first person on this list that has ever complained about these personal attacks. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/20/2014 7:51 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jeez. Talk about a river in Egypt. Talk about a guilty conscience. Talk about projection. Talk about shooting the messengers (good point, Steve). Talk about out-of-control reactive! Maybe its time for Barry to take another trip to Amsterdam to have a smoke and chill out. Go figure. This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/20/2014 9:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: (Goodness knows I could compile a much longer list of Barry's insults, /including/ attacks on my livelihood.) Goodness, /willytex/ probably holds the record for the number of insulting names he's been called, including attacks on his livlihood. Let me know if you want to go over a few. We could probably start with troll. LoL! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/20/2014 9:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Somehow I don't think Ann was listing what she thought were attacks on her livelihood. Somehow I don't think Barry thinks that either. Ann was presenting Steve with a list of Barry's attacks on her that apparently don't bother Steve. In other words, she was actively attempting to get someone on this forum to not like someone she doesn't like. Exactly what I said about the Vedic Vigilantes. Thank you for supporting my thesis. So, you're objecting to attacks on people /by attacking people/ and that this post proves your point - /somebody attacked Steve for not objecting to the attacks? /Now that's funny! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Nobody attacked Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/20/2014 9:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Somehow I don't think Ann was listing what she thought were attacks on her livelihood. Somehow I don't think Barry thinks that either. Ann was presenting Steve with a list of Barry's attacks on her that apparently don't bother Steve. In other words, she was actively attempting to get someone on this forum to not like someone she doesn't like. Exactly what I said about the Vedic Vigilantes. Thank you for supporting my thesis. So, you're objecting to attacks on people by attacking people and that this post proves your point - somebody attacked Steve for not objecting to the attacks? Now that's funny!
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On 5/20/2014 10:06 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As if you never wrote insulting screeds about me or Ann in an attempt to get FFL members to dislike us because you dislike us. Talk about hypocrisy... If you want to talk about attempting to get FFL members to dislike you, let's talk about how you tried to get others to shun me for ten years by attacking me and calling me a troll. Maybe you should just keep you pie-hole shut about hypocrisy. That's what I think. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/21/2014 6:35 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nobody attacked Steve. So, you don't want to talk about the attacks on /willytex/. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/20/2014 9:33 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: (Goodness knows I could compile a much longer list of Barry's insults, including attacks on my livelihood.) Goodness, willytex probably holds the record for the number of insulting names he's been called, including attacks on his livlihood. Let me know if you want to go over a few. We could probably start with troll. LoL! This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/20/2014 10:06 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As if you never wrote insulting screeds about me or Ann in an attempt to get FFL members to dislike us because you dislike us. Talk about hypocrisy... If you want to talk about attempting to get FFL members to dislike you, let's talk about how you tried to get others to shun me for ten years by attacking me and calling me a troll. Maybe you should just keep you pie-hole shut about hypocrisy. That's what I think. Still smarting. Here, may I offer you this? This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/20/2014 7:14 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. Some informants used to make fun of my janitor job at the community college - Barry even suggested that I screwed prairie dogs in my spare time. Judy once called me a mollusk. You are the first person on this list that has ever complained about these personal attacks. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Go figure. I am taking a moment of silence as a way of acknowledging all of the adjectives applied to everyone here. My sincere condolences. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
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Jesus Barry, settle down. You realize you sound like someone who has seriously gotten his buttons pushed. We are just presenting different points of view. It's all good. The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. We *understand* that you're attached to the things you were taught to believe by Maharishi and his talking parrots (TM teachers). We *understand* that these beliefs on your part are deeply established, often so deeply that you do not recognize that these beliefs were carefully TAUGHT to you. We *understand* that sometimes the things that critics of Maharishi and his technique and his organization write sometimes piss you off, push your buttons, make you reactive, and make you want to lash out at the critics. But PLEASE don't insult our intelligence by pretending you're doing this because you're trying to protect others from the evil influence of these critics. You're doing it because you enjoy being angry and lashing out. End of story. You *know* (as do we) that the criticisms push your buttons, trigger your own cognitive dissonance, and make you crazy. EVERYONE reading the things you write knows this, no matter how hard you try to deny it. But there is a simple solution to this, one practiced by the vast majority of TM practitioners and believers (and in fact recommended by the TMO itself) -- just don't read FFL. You're here on FFL after all these years because YOU LIKE TO ATTACK PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE, all in the name of a spurious spiritual teaching. You're Vedic Vigilantes. With very few exceptions, none of you are actual TM teachers yourselves. The one or two actual TM teachers who regularly attack the critics haven't taught TM in a decade or more. The others hung around on the periphery of the TM movement for decades, quietly pissed off because you were treated like second-class citizens, and noticing that the only time TM teachers *did* praise you or give you any attention was when you 1) parroted back some knowledge they'd told you to memorize, and 2) when you stood up for MMY or TM or the TMO in response to some criticism. So that's what you *still* do today on FFL. You've convinced yourself that parroting the things you were taught and attacking people (especially ex-TM teachers) who no longer believe the things you believe is dharmic, the work of God. But it really isn't. It's just you feeling the need to attack someone. You're the Vedic equivalent of Ku Klux Klan members, pretending that you're doing the things you do and writing the things you write to protect others. The TM critics are your niggers. In reality, I think you're all still here on FFL because you ENJOY lashing out the way you do, and in fact ENJOY the state of near-constant anger your continued presence on FFL causes in you. You keep trying to raise the question, What are these non-meditators still doing on this forum after having left the TM movement years ago? Well, we're here because the forum was *explicitly created* to be a forum on which people can express their opinions about the TM movement, free from the persecution that would quickly follow critical opinions if people tried to say these things within the TM movement itself. But I honestly think that the reason the Vedic Vigilantes are still here is that THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TM FREE SPEECH ZONE. The very fact that people are *allowed* to say the kinds of things critics are allowed to say here PISSES YOU OFF. But on another level, rather than just go to some other namby-pamby TM forum where you'll never hear a critical word, you stay here. I have to believe that the reason YOU'RE still here is that you are trying to DESTROY this TM Free Speech area that Rick set up, and drive away those who actually dare to take it seriously, and speak freely. We're not going away. Rick set up this forum for US. If you don't like it -- or us -- why don't YOU go elsewhere? Or just don't read the things we post. Or read the things we post and try to comment intelligently about the *ideas* we bring up. Continuing to attack us personally because we use this forum AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED raises more questions about YOUR sanity and YOUR motives than it does ours.
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The Turq got his buttons well and heavy pushed 40 years ago and is still recovering to this day :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Barry, settle down. You realize you sound like someone who has seriously gotten his buttons pushed. We are just presenting different points of view. It's all good. The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. We *understand* that you're attached to the things you were taught to believe by Maharishi and his talking parrots (TM teachers). We *understand* that these beliefs on your part are deeply established, often so deeply that you do not recognize that these beliefs were carefully TAUGHT to you. We *understand* that sometimes the things that critics of Maharishi and his technique and his organization write sometimes piss you off, push your buttons, make you reactive, and make you want to lash out at the critics. But PLEASE don't insult our intelligence by pretending you're doing this because you're trying to protect others from the evil influence of these critics. You're doing it because you enjoy being angry and lashing out. End of story. You *know* (as do we) that the criticisms push your buttons, trigger your own cognitive dissonance, and make you crazy. EVERYONE reading the things you write knows this, no matter how hard you try to deny it. But there is a simple solution to this, one practiced by the vast majority of TM practitioners and believers (and in fact recommended by the TMO itself) -- just don't read FFL. You're here on FFL after all these years because YOU LIKE TO ATTACK PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE, all in the name of a spurious spiritual teaching. You're Vedic Vigilantes. With very few exceptions, none of you are actual TM teachers yourselves. The one or two actual TM teachers who regularly attack the critics haven't taught TM in a decade or more. The others hung around on the periphery of the TM movement for decades, quietly pissed off because you were treated like second-class citizens, and noticing that the only time TM teachers *did* praise you or give you any attention was when you 1) parroted back some knowledge they'd told you to memorize, and 2) when you stood up for MMY or TM or the TMO in response to some criticism. So that's what you *still* do today on FFL. You've convinced yourself that parroting the things you were taught and attacking people (especially ex-TM teachers) who no longer believe the things you believe is dharmic, the work of God. But it really isn't. It's just you feeling the need to attack someone. You're the Vedic equivalent of Ku Klux Klan members, pretending that you're doing the things you do and writing the things you write to protect others. The TM critics are your niggers. In reality, I think you're all still here on FFL because you ENJOY lashing out the way you do, and in fact ENJOY the state of near-constant anger your continued presence on FFL causes in you. You keep trying to raise the question, What are these non-meditators still doing on this forum after having left the TM movement years ago? Well, we're here because the forum was *explicitly created* to be a forum on which people can express their opinions about the TM movement, free from the persecution that would quickly follow critical opinions if people tried to say these things within the TM movement itself. But I honestly think that the reason the Vedic Vigilantes are still here is that THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TM FREE SPEECH ZONE. The very fact that people are *allowed* to say the kinds of things critics are allowed to say here PISSES YOU OFF. But on another level, rather than just go to some other namby-pamby TM forum where you'll never hear a critical word, you stay here. I have to believe that the reason YOU'RE still here is that you are trying to DESTROY this TM Free Speech area that Rick set up, and drive away those who actually dare to take it seriously, and speak freely. We're not going away. Rick set up this forum for US. If you don't like it -- or us -- why don't YOU go elsewhere? Or just don't read the things we post. Or read the things we post and try to comment intelligently about the *ideas* we bring up. Continuing to attack us personally because we use this forum AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED raises more questions about YOUR sanity and YOUR motives than it does ours.
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Jeez. Talk about a river in Egypt. Talk about a guilty conscience. Talk about projection. Talk about shooting the messengers (good point, Steve). Talk about out-of-control reactive! This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. (snip lots more garbage) Continuing to attack us personally because we use this forum AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED raises more questions about YOUR sanity and YOUR motives than it does ours. This forum was NOT intended to be used to personally attack TMers. As I said in a previous post, you may have earned the right to challenge ideas, but you haven't earned the right to dump on the people who hold them. It's your behavior that's the problem, not your challenges to ideas. Doesn't matter whether it's TM, or politics, or feminism, or theism, or the Grateful Dead, or America. You virtually always use your challenges as vehicles for personal attacks on FFLers, usually TMers, and for exalting yourself. It really is nauseating, as Ann observed.
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Oh, shaddap Barry. No one is attacking you personally. Far from it - We are trying to get bullshitters like you, more visible, and it is working. You certainly are not going away - you need this place like a baby needs its thumb. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. snip
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. We *understand* that you're attached to the things you were taught to believe by Maharishi and his talking parrots (TM teachers). We *understand* that these beliefs on your part are deeply established, often so deeply that you do not recognize that these beliefs were carefully TAUGHT to you. We *understand* that sometimes the things that critics of Maharishi and his technique and his organization write sometimes piss you off, push your buttons, make you reactive, and make you want to lash out at the critics. But PLEASE don't insult our intelligence by pretending you're doing this because you're trying to protect others from the evil influence of these critics. You're doing it because you enjoy being angry and lashing out. End of story. You *know* (as do we) that the criticisms push your buttons, trigger your own cognitive dissonance, and make you crazy. EVERYONE reading the things you write knows this, no matter how hard you try to deny it. But there is a simple solution to this, one practiced by the vast majority of TM practitioners and believers (and in fact recommended by the TMO itself) -- just don't read FFL. You're here on FFL after all these years because YOU LIKE TO ATTACK PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE, all in the name of a spurious spiritual teaching. You're Vedic Vigilantes. With very few exceptions, none of you are actual TM teachers yourselves. The one or two actual TM teachers who regularly attack the critics haven't taught TM in a decade or more. The others hung around on the periphery of the TM movement for decades, quietly pissed off because you were treated like second-class citizens, and noticing that the only time TM teachers *did* praise you or give you any attention was when you 1) parroted back some knowledge they'd told you to memorize, and 2) when you stood up for MMY or TM or the TMO in response to some criticism. So that's what you *still* do today on FFL. You've convinced yourself that parroting the things you were taught and attacking people (especially ex-TM teachers) who no longer believe the things you believe is dharmic, the work of God. But it really isn't. It's just you feeling the need to attack someone. You're the Vedic equivalent of Ku Klux Klan members, pretending that you're doing the things you do and writing the things you write to protect others. The TM critics are your niggers. In reality, I think you're all still here on FFL because you ENJOY lashing out the way you do, and in fact ENJOY the state of near-constant anger your continued presence on FFL causes in you. You keep trying to raise the question, What are these non-meditators still doing on this forum after having left the TM movement years ago? Well, we're here because the forum was *explicitly created* to be a forum on which people can express their opinions about the TM movement, free from the persecution that would quickly follow critical opinions if people tried to say these things within the TM movement itself. But I honestly think that the reason the Vedic Vigilantes are still here is that THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TM FREE SPEECH ZONE. The very fact that people are *allowed* to say the kinds of things critics are allowed to say here PISSES YOU OFF. But on another level, rather than just go to some other namby-pamby TM forum where you'll never hear a critical word, you stay here. I have to believe that the reason YOU'RE still here is that you are trying to DESTROY this TM Free Speech area that Rick set up, and drive away those who actually dare to take it seriously, and speak freely. We're not going away. Rick set up this forum for US. If you don't like it -- or us -- why don't YOU go elsewhere? Or just don't read the things we post. Or read the things we post and try to comment intelligently about the *ideas* we bring up. Continuing to attack us personally because we use this forum AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED raises more questions about YOUR sanity and YOUR motives than it does ours. Feel better now? That almost felt as satisfying as a big poop, didn't it? And the effect on the surrounding environment was the same. (I'd still like to know who the us and we are, Bawee. Are these your many imaginary friends and comrades in arms?)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. We *understand* that you're attached to the things you were taught to believe by Maharishi and his talking parrots (TM teachers). We *understand* that these beliefs on your part are deeply established, often so deeply that you do not recognize that these beliefs were carefully TAUGHT to you. We *understand* that sometimes the things that critics of Maharishi and his technique and his organization write sometimes piss you off, push your buttons, make you reactive, and make you want to lash out at the critics. But PLEASE don't insult our intelligence by pretending you're doing this because you're trying to protect others from the evil influence of these critics. You're doing it because you enjoy being angry and lashing out. End of story. You *know* (as do we) that the criticisms push your buttons, trigger your own cognitive dissonance, and make you crazy. EVERYONE reading the things you write knows this, no matter how hard you try to deny it. But there is a simple solution to this, one practiced by the vast majority of TM practitioners and believers (and in fact recommended by the TMO itself) -- just don't read FFL. You're here on FFL after all these years because YOU LIKE TO ATTACK PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE, all in the name of a spurious spiritual teaching. You're Vedic Vigilantes. With very few exceptions, none of you are actual TM teachers yourselves. The one or two actual TM teachers who regularly attack the critics haven't taught TM in a decade or more. The others hung around on the periphery of the TM movement for decades, quietly pissed off because you were treated like second-class citizens, and noticing that the only time TM teachers *did* praise you or give you any attention was when you 1) parroted back some knowledge they'd told you to memorize, and 2) when you stood up for MMY or TM or the TMO in response to some criticism. So that's what you *still* do today on FFL. You've convinced yourself that parroting the things you were taught and attacking people (especially ex-TM teachers) who no longer believe the things you believe is dharmic, the work of God. But it really isn't. It's just you feeling the need to attack someone. You're the Vedic equivalent of Ku Klux Klan members, pretending that you're doing the things you do and writing the things you write to protect others. The TM critics are your niggers. In reality, I think you're all still here on FFL because you ENJOY lashing out the way you do, and in fact ENJOY the state of near-constant anger your continued presence on FFL causes in you. You keep trying to raise the question, What are these non-meditators still doing on this forum after having left the TM movement years ago? Well, we're here because the forum was *explicitly created* to be a forum on which people can express their opinions about the TM movement, free from the persecution that would quickly follow critical opinions if people tried to say these things within the TM movement itself. But I honestly think that the reason the Vedic Vigilantes are still here is that THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TM FREE SPEECH ZONE. The very fact that people are *allowed* to say the kinds of things critics are allowed to say here PISSES YOU OFF. But on another level, rather than just go to some other namby-pamby TM forum where you'll never hear a critical word, you stay here. I have to believe that the reason YOU'RE still here is that you are trying to DESTROY this TM Free Speech area that Rick set up, and drive away those who actually dare to take it seriously, and speak freely. We're not going away. Rick set up this forum for US. If you don't like it -- or us -- why don't YOU go elsewhere? Or just don't read the things we post. Or read the things we post and try to comment intelligently about the *ideas* we bring up. Continuing to attack us personally because we use this forum AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED raises more questions about YOUR sanity and YOUR motives than it does ours. Feel better now? That was almost as satisfying as taking a big poop wasn't it? And the effects on the surrounding environment are the same.
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Your strategy of dragging the fellow into the sunshine for all to see who he is certainly has an effect. His attacks are getting more intense by the day :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Oh, shaddap Barry. No one is attacking you personally. Far from it - We are trying to get bullshitters like you, more visible, and it is working. You certainly are not going away - you need this place like a baby needs its thumb. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. snip
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Jeez. Talk about a river in Egypt. Talk about a guilty conscience. Talk about projection. Talk about shooting the messengers (good point, Steve). Talk about out-of-control reactive! This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. (snip lots more garbage) Continuing to attack us personally because we use this forum AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED raises more questions about YOUR sanity and YOUR motives than it does ours. This forum was NOT intended to be used to personally attack TMers. As I said in a previous post, you may have earned the right to challenge ideas, but you haven't earned the right to dump on the people who hold them. It's your behavior that's the problem, not your challenges to ideas. Doesn't matter whether it's TM, or politics, or feminism, or theism, or the Grateful Dead, or America. You virtually always use your challenges as vehicles for personal attacks on FFLers, usually TMers, and for exalting yourself. It really is nauseating, as Ann observed. Bawee challenges nothing except one's endurance at reading the same thoughts over and over and over. He challenges one to not spew one's coffee out of one's nose while reading post after post designed to enlighten and free us from our limited, cultish and brainwashed sorry state. He challenges me to find a place in my heart to empathize with him for his need to puff himself up, even if it is with his own baseless assertions. I am challenged by Bawee alright, just not in the way he is hoping.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Barry, settle down. You realize you sound like someone who has seriously gotten his buttons pushed. We are just presenting different points of view. It's all good. The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. We *understand* that you're attached to the things you were taught to believe by Maharishi and his talking parrots (TM teachers). We *understand* that these beliefs on your part are deeply established, often so deeply that you do not recognize that these beliefs were carefully TAUGHT to you. We *understand* that sometimes the things that critics of Maharishi and his technique and his organization write sometimes piss you off, push your buttons, make you reactive, and make you want to lash out at the critics. But PLEASE don't insult our intelligence by pretending you're doing this because you're trying to protect others from the evil influence of these critics. You're doing it because you enjoy being angry and lashing out. End of story. You *know* (as do we) that the criticisms push your buttons, trigger your own cognitive dissonance, and make you crazy. EVERYONE reading the things you write knows this, no matter how hard you try to deny it. But there is a simple solution to this, one practiced by the vast majority of TM practitioners and believers (and in fact recommended by the TMO itself) -- just don't read FFL. You're here on FFL after all these years because YOU LIKE TO ATTACK PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE, all in the name of a spurious spiritual teaching. You're Vedic Vigilantes. With very few exceptions, none of you are actual TM teachers yourselves. The one or two actual TM teachers who regularly attack the critics haven't taught TM in a decade or more. The others hung around on the periphery of the TM movement for decades, quietly pissed off because you were treated like second-class citizens, and noticing that the only time TM teachers *did* praise you or give you any attention was when you 1) parroted back some knowledge they'd told you to memorize, and 2) when you stood up for MMY or TM or the TMO in response to some criticism. So that's what you *still* do today on FFL. You've convinced yourself that parroting the things you were taught and attacking people (especially ex-TM teachers) who no longer believe the things you believe is dharmic, the work of God. But it really isn't. It's just you feeling the need to attack someone. You're the Vedic equivalent of Ku Klux Klan members, pretending that you're doing the things you do and writing the things you write to protect others. The TM critics are your niggers. In reality, I think you're all still here on FFL because you ENJOY lashing out the way you do, and in fact ENJOY the state of near-constant anger your continued presence on FFL causes in you. You keep trying to raise the question, What are these non-meditators still doing on this forum after having left the TM movement years ago? Well, we're here because the forum was *explicitly created* to be a forum on which people can express their opinions about the TM movement, free from the persecution that would quickly follow critical opinions if people tried to say these things within the TM movement itself. But I honestly think that the reason the Vedic Vigilantes are still here is that THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TM FREE SPEECH ZONE. The very fact that people are *allowed* to say the kinds of things critics are allowed to say here PISSES YOU OFF. But on another level, rather than just go to some other namby-pamby TM forum where you'll never hear a critical word, you stay here. I have to believe that the reason YOU'RE still here is that you are trying to DESTROY this TM Free Speech area that Rick set up, and drive away those who actually dare to take it seriously, and speak freely. We're not going away. Rick set up this forum for US. If you don't like it -- or us -- why don't YOU go elsewhere? Or just don't read the things we post. Or read the things we post and try to comment intelligently about the *ideas* we bring up. Continuing to attack us personally because we use this forum AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED raises more questions about YOUR sanity and YOUR
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From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Barry, settle down. You realize you sound like someone who has seriously gotten his buttons pushed. We are just presenting different points of view. It's all good. The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment... Which one of these represents an attack on your livelihood? Just curious... I mean, Steve just got done saying that It's all good, and that the only thing that bothers *him* are the attacks on a person's ability to earn a living. Thus it strikes me as odd that you're delivering this list to him. Do all of these words constitute livelihoods in your mind? If so, I wonder if you could do us all a favor and provide a pay rate (in Canadian dollars per hour, current figures) opposite each of the entries above. I think it would make for an interesting thread. And I doubt I'm the only person who is interested in how much Judy pays her minions. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. We *understand* that you're attached to the things you were taught to believe by Maharishi and his talking parrots (TM teachers). We *understand* that these beliefs on your part are deeply established, often so deeply that you do not recognize that these beliefs were carefully TAUGHT to you. We *understand* that sometimes the things that critics of Maharishi and his technique and his organization write sometimes piss you off, push your buttons, make you reactive, and make you want to lash out at the critics. But PLEASE don't insult our intelligence by pretending you're doing this because you're trying to protect others from the evil influence of these critics. You're doing it because you enjoy being angry and lashing out. End of story. You *know* (as do we) that the criticisms push your buttons, trigger your own cognitive dissonance, and make you crazy. EVERYONE reading the things you write knows this, no matter how hard you try to deny it. But there is a simple solution to this, one practiced by the vast majority of TM practitioners and believers (and in fact recommended by the TMO itself) -- just don't read FFL. You're here on FFL after all these years because YOU LIKE TO ATTACK PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE, all in the name of a spurious spiritual teaching. You're Vedic Vigilantes. With very few exceptions, none of you are actual TM teachers yourselves. The one or two actual TM teachers who regularly attack the critics haven't taught TM in a decade or more. The others hung around on the periphery of the TM movement for decades, quietly pissed off because you were treated like second-class citizens, and noticing that the only time TM teachers *did* praise you or give you any attention was when you 1) parroted back some knowledge they'd told you to memorize, and 2) when you stood up for MMY or TM or the TMO in response to some criticism. So that's what you *still* do today on FFL. You've convinced yourself that parroting the things you were taught and attacking people (especially ex-TM teachers) who no longer believe the things you believe is dharmic, the work of God. But it really isn't. It's just you feeling the need to attack someone. You're the Vedic equivalent of Ku Klux Klan members, pretending that you're doing the things you do and writing the things you write to protect others. The TM critics are your niggers. In reality, I think you're all still here on FFL because you ENJOY lashing out the way you do, and in fact ENJOY the state of near-constant anger your continued presence on FFL causes in you. You keep trying to raise the question, What are these non-meditators still doing on this forum after having left the TM movement years ago? Well, we're here because the forum was *explicitly created* to be a forum on which people can express their opinions about the TM movement, free from the persecution that would quickly follow critical opinions if people tried to say these things within the TM movement itself. But I honestly think that the reason the Vedic Vigilantes are still here is that THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TM FREE SPEECH ZONE. The very fact
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes
Somehow I don't think Ann was listing what she thought were attacks on her livelihood. Somehow I don't think Barry thinks that either. Ann was presenting Steve with a list of Barry's attacks on her that apparently don't bother Steve. And that embarrasses Barry, as well it should after hysterically complaining about attacks on him. (Goodness knows I could compile a much longer list of Barry's insults, including attacks on my livelihood.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Barry, settle down. You realize you sound like someone who has seriously gotten his buttons pushed. We are just presenting different points of view. It's all good. The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment... Which one of these represents an attack on your livelihood? Just curious... I mean, Steve just got done saying that It's all good, and that the only thing that bothers *him* are the attacks on a person's ability to earn a living. Thus it strikes me as odd that you're delivering this list to him. Do all of these words constitute livelihoods in your mind? If so, I wonder if you could do us all a favor and provide a pay rate (in Canadian dollars per hour, current figures) opposite each of the entries above. I think it would make for an interesting thread. And I doubt I'm the only person who is interested in how much Judy pays her minions. :-)
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From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes Somehow I don't think Ann was listing what she thought were attacks on her livelihood. Somehow I don't think Barry thinks that either. Ann was presenting Steve with a list of Barry's attacks on her that apparently don't bother Steve. In other words, she was actively attempting to get someone on this forum to not like someone she doesn't like. Exactly what I said about the Vedic Vigilantes. Thank you for supporting my thesis. (Goodness knows I could compile a much longer list of Barry's insults, including attacks on my livelihood.) And you don't hold grudges. Rght. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Barry, settle down. You realize you sound like someone who has seriously gotten his buttons pushed. We are just presenting different points of view. It's all good. The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment... Which one of these represents an attack on your livelihood? Just curious... I mean, Steve just got done saying that It's all good, and that the only thing that bothers *him* are the attacks on a person's ability to earn a living. Thus it strikes me as odd that you're delivering this list to him. Do all of these words constitute livelihoods in your mind? If so, I wonder if you could do us all a favor and provide a pay rate (in Canadian dollars per hour, current figures) opposite each of the entries above. I think it would make for an interesting thread. And I doubt I'm the only person who is interested in how much Judy pays her minions. :-)
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As if you never wrote insulting screeds about me or Ann in an attempt to get FFL members to dislike us because you dislike us. Talk about hypocrisy... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes Somehow I don't think Ann was listing what she thought were attacks on her livelihood. Somehow I don't think Barry thinks that either. Ann was presenting Steve with a list of Barry's attacks on her that apparently don't bother Steve. In other words, she was actively attempting to get someone on this forum to not like someone she doesn't like. Exactly what I said about the Vedic Vigilantes. Thank you for supporting my thesis. (Goodness knows I could compile a much longer list of Barry's insults, including attacks on my livelihood.) And you don't hold grudges. Rght. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Barry, settle down. You realize you sound like someone who has seriously gotten his buttons pushed. We are just presenting different points of view. It's all good. The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment... Which one of these represents an attack on your livelihood? Just curious... I mean, Steve just got done saying that It's all good, and that the only thing that bothers *him* are the attacks on a person's ability to earn a living. Thus it strikes me as odd that you're delivering this list to him. Do all of these words constitute livelihoods in your mind? If so, I wonder if you could do us all a favor and provide a pay rate (in Canadian dollars per hour, current figures) opposite each of the entries above. I think it would make for an interesting thread. And I doubt I'm the only person who is interested in how much Judy pays her minions. :-)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Barry, settle down. You realize you sound like someone who has seriously gotten his buttons pushed. We are just presenting different points of view. It's all good. The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist - Priceless, the time and effort pursuing, let alone finding, a decent guru these days can't be evaluated in dollars and cents. a bitch - minimum wage. A good bitch just isn't appreciated like she used to be. Squeaky Fromme - no Canadian dollar amount available currently. This was strictly an American model, not available north of the border. a stalker - Yearly salary approx. $55,000. This is a full time job and requires planning, stealth and perseverance. dumb as a bag of hammers - The last time I looked a basic grocery bag, , the reusable kind, was worth .50 cents and you can get a decent hammer for $29.95. I figure you can fit about 15 hammers in one of those bags without it ripping. Grand total: $449.75 before tax. ugly - Priceless, you either got it or you don't. I think genetics comes into play and we currently don't allow selective breeding of human beings here in Canada. fat - $100/day. Mountains of Oreo cookies and Ding Dongs don't come cheap. a cunt - I believe if you want to acquire a vagina the going rate, currently, for this would be, minimum, $25K. That might also include the breasts if you're going for the full sex swap. too rich- Honey, if you have to ask you can't afford this. spoiled- Priceless, it takes a lot of imported horses, inheritance, fancy cars and privileged upbringing to achieve this status. Judy's minion - Even you can figure out this kind of thing can't be bought, silly Bawe. That's all I can remember for the moment... Which one of these represents an attack on your livelihood? Just curious... I mean, Steve just got done saying that It's all good, and that the only thing that bothers *him* are the attacks on a person's ability to earn a living. Thus it strikes me as odd that you're delivering this list to him. Do all of these words constitute livelihoods in your mind? If so, I wonder if you could do us all a favor and provide a pay rate (in Canadian dollars per hour, current figures) opposite each of the entries above. I think it would make for an interesting thread. And I doubt I'm the only person who is interested in how much Judy pays her minions. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. We *understand* that you're attached to the things you were taught to believe by Maharishi and his talking parrots (TM teachers). We *understand* that these beliefs on your part are deeply established, often so deeply that you do not recognize that these beliefs were carefully TAUGHT to you. We *understand* that sometimes the things that critics of Maharishi and his technique and his organization write sometimes piss you off, push your buttons, make you reactive, and make you want to lash out at the critics. But PLEASE don't insult our intelligence by pretending you're doing this because you're trying to protect others from the evil influence of these critics. You're doing it because you enjoy being angry and lashing out. End of story. You *know* (as do we) that the criticisms push your buttons, trigger your own cognitive dissonance, and make you crazy. EVERYONE reading the things you write knows this, no matter how hard you try to deny it. But there is a simple solution to this, one practiced by the vast majority of TM practitioners and believers (and in fact recommended by the TMO itself) -- just don't read FFL. You're here on FFL after all these years because YOU LIKE TO ATTACK PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE, all in the name of a spurious spiritual teaching. You're Vedic Vigilantes. With very few exceptions, none of you are actual TM teachers yourselves. The one or two actual TM teachers who regularly attack the critics haven't taught TM in a decade or more. The others hung around on the periphery of the TM movement for decades, quietly pissed off because you were treated like second-class citizens, and noticing that the only time TM teachers *did* praise you
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes Somehow I don't think Ann was listing what she thought were attacks on her livelihood. Somehow I don't think Barry thinks that either. Ann was presenting Steve with a list of Barry's attacks on her that apparently don't bother Steve. In other words, she was actively attempting to get someone on this forum to not like someone she doesn't like. Exactly what I said about the Vedic Vigilantes. Thank you for supporting my thesis. Oh silly bawee, Steve can and most likely did read these for himself when they issued from your computer keyboard over the last few months. I don't have to try and make Steve like or dislike you, you can do that all by your wittle self. (Goodness knows I could compile a much longer list of Barry's insults, including attacks on my livelihood.) And you don't hold grudges. Rght. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Barry, settle down. You realize you sound like someone who has seriously gotten his buttons pushed. We are just presenting different points of view. It's all good. The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and especially Curtis. I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment... Which one of these represents an attack on your livelihood? Just curious... I mean, Steve just got done saying that It's all good, and that the only thing that bothers *him* are the attacks on a person's ability to earn a living. Thus it strikes me as odd that you're delivering this list to him. Do all of these words constitute livelihoods in your mind? If so, I wonder if you could do us all a favor and provide a pay rate (in Canadian dollars per hour, current figures) opposite each of the entries above. I think it would make for an interesting thread. And I doubt I'm the only person who is interested in how much Judy pays her minions. :-)
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Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. We *understand* that you're attached to the things you were taught to believe by Maharishi and his talking parrots (TM teachers). We *understand* that these beliefs on your part are deeply established, often so deeply that you do not recognize that these beliefs were carefully TAUGHT to you. We *understand* that sometimes the things that critics of Maharishi and his technique and his organization write sometimes piss you off, push your buttons, make you reactive, and make you want to lash out at the critics. But PLEASE don't insult our intelligence by pretending you're doing this because you're trying to protect others from the evil influence of these critics. You're doing it because you enjoy being angry and lashing out. End of story. You *know* (as do we) that the criticisms push your buttons, trigger your own cognitive dissonance, and make you crazy. EVERYONE reading the things you write knows this, no matter how hard you try to deny it. But there is a simple solution to this, one practiced by the vast majority of TM practitioners and believers (and in fact recommended by the TMO itself) -- just don't read FFL. You're here on FFL after all these years because YOU LIKE TO ATTACK PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE, all in the name of a spurious spiritual teaching. You're Vedic Vigilantes. With very few exceptions, none of you are actual TM teachers yourselves. The one or two actual TM teachers who regularly attack the critics haven't taught TM in a decade or more. The others hung around on the periphery of the TM movement for decades, quietly pissed off because you were treated like second-class citizens, and noticing that the only time TM teachers *did* praise you or give you any attention was when you 1) parroted back some knowledge they'd told you to memorize, and 2) when you stood up for MMY or TM or the TMO in response to some criticism. So that's what you *still* do today on FFL. You've convinced yourself that parroting the things you were taught and attacking people (especially ex-TM teachers) who no longer believe the things you believe is dharmic, the work of God. But it really isn't. It's just you feeling the need to attack someone. You're the Vedic equivalent of Ku Klux Klan members, pretending that you're doing the things you do and writing the things you write to protect others. The TM critics are your niggers. In reality, I think you're all still here on FFL because you ENJOY lashing out the way you do, and in fact ENJOY the state of near-constant anger your continued presence on FFL causes in you. You keep trying to raise the question, What are these non-meditators still doing on this forum after having left the TM movement years ago? Well, we're here because the forum was *explicitly created* to be a forum on which people can express their opinions about the TM movement, free from the persecution that would quickly follow critical opinions if people tried to say these things within the TM movement itself. But I honestly think that the reason the Vedic Vigilantes are still here is that THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TM FREE SPEECH ZONE. The very fact that people are *allowed* to say the kinds of things critics are allowed to say here PISSES YOU OFF. But on another level, rather than just go to some other namby-pamby TM forum where you'll never hear a critical word, you stay here. I have to believe that the reason YOU'RE still here is that you are trying to DESTROY this TM Free Speech area that Rick set up, and drive away those who actually dare to take it seriously, and speak freely. We're not going away. Rick set up this forum for US. If you don't like it -- or us -- why don't YOU go elsewhere? Or just don't read the things we post. Or read the things we post and try to comment intelligently about the *ideas* we bring up. Continuing to attack us personally because we use this forum AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED raises more questions
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Missed this second bit of incredible hypocrisy, from the dude who wrote almost 750 words of screeching complaint earlier today about TMers attacking and insulting him: (Goodness knows I could compile a much longer list of Barry's insults, including attacks on my livelihood.) And you don't hold grudges. Rght. :-)
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Barry has demeaned my livelihood many times. I can't recall ever demeaning his. And how is this not what you're referring to? (BTW, do you know who Squeaky Fromme was?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment...
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. I never said I was insulted by Bawee. I said I have been called the following... by him. You have to actually respect someone to find that they can, in fact, effect or insult you. At least that is my experience. He used the Squeaky Fromme reference in the context of me stalking Robin. Squeaky attempted to assassinate a President. Comparing me to a would-be murderer is rather interesting, don't you think?
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Fromme was also a member of the Manson Family, BTW. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. I never said I was insulted by Bawee. I said I have been called the following... by him. You have to actually respect someone to find that they can, in fact, effect or insult you. At least that is my experience. He used the Squeaky Fromme reference in the context of me stalking Robin. Squeaky attempted to assassinate a President. Comparing me to a would-be murderer is rather interesting, don't you think?
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Well, Barry is a writer by profession, and you have many times taken issue with his writing abilities as demonstrated here. That is what I was referring to in regards to that. But there is a difference in saying that so and so's writing lacks creativity, and some of very personal attacks we sometimes see here. For me, there is a difference. For others, perhaps not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Barry has demeaned my livelihood many times. I can't recall ever demeaning his. And how is this not what you're referring to? (BTW, do you know who Squeaky Fromme was?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment...
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Yes, I know exactly who Sqeaky Fromme is. No ill intention meant. I've just always liked the name. On the other hand, I was compared earlier today to a KKK recruiter. Go figure! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. I never said I was insulted by Bawee. I said I have been called the following... by him. You have to actually respect someone to find that they can, in fact, effect or insult you. At least that is my experience. He used the Squeaky Fromme reference in the context of me stalking Robin. Squeaky attempted to assassinate a President. Comparing me to a would-be murderer is rather interesting, don't you think?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Fromme was also a member of the Manson Family, BTW. Even better! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. I never said I was insulted by Bawee. I said I have been called the following... by him. You have to actually respect someone to find that they can, in fact, effect or insult you. At least that is my experience. He used the Squeaky Fromme reference in the context of me stalking Robin. Squeaky attempted to assassinate a President. Comparing me to a would-be murderer is rather interesting, don't you think?
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Oh, well, no, I haven't, actually. I've done that very rarely. What an imagination you have! I have said I think his writing skills mask his lack of depth, but that's a criticism of his thinking ability, not his writing ability. He has certainly many times asserted that I can't write. Which is fine; I'm an editor, I don't pretend to be a writer. I'm able to express myself here to my own satisfaction. But he believes editing is an unskilled profession that I should be ashamed of, much to my amusement. No doubt he'll weigh in overnight at some length on this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Well, Barry is a writer by profession, and you have many times taken issue with his writing abilities as demonstrated here. That is what I was referring to in regards to that. But there is a difference in saying that so and so's writing lacks creativity, and some of very personal attacks we sometimes see here. For me, there is a difference. For others, perhaps not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Barry has demeaned my livelihood many times. I can't recall ever demeaning his. And how is this not what you're referring to? (BTW, do you know who Squeaky Fromme was?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment...
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Oh, okay, thank you for making that distinction. I guess what is unsaid is that you must feel that he is a decent writer. I'd say that he is quite a good writer myself. I may disagree with some of the conclusions he comes up with, but as far his writing, I think it's pretty good. And of course, I guess, so does the marketplace ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, well, no, I haven't, actually. I've done that very rarely. What an imagination you have! I have said I think his writing skills mask his lack of depth, but that's a criticism of his thinking ability, not his writing ability. He has certainly many times asserted that I can't write. Which is fine; I'm an editor, I don't pretend to be a writer. I'm able to express myself here to my own satisfaction. But he believes editing is an unskilled profession that I should be ashamed of, much to my amusement. No doubt he'll weigh in overnight at some length on this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Well, Barry is a writer by profession, and you have many times taken issue with his writing abilities as demonstrated here. That is what I was referring to in regards to that. But there is a difference in saying that so and so's writing lacks creativity, and some of very personal attacks we sometimes see here. For me, there is a difference. For others, perhaps not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Barry has demeaned my livelihood many times. I can't recall ever demeaning his. And how is this not what you're referring to? (BTW, do you know who Squeaky Fromme was?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion way out of bounds. * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky Fromme. (-: ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to some extent. But that is not what I am referring to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I have been called the following things by Bawee: a cultist a bitch Squeaky Fromme a stalker dumb as a bag of hammers ugly fat a cunt too rich spoiled Judy's minion That's all I can remember for the moment...
