[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this. I would think its along the lines of: Infusing the world with akashic silence, removing deep subtle obstacles to progress, and nourishing nature's power of self organization. First question is -- is such a thing possible? Not can RajT do that, but could anyone do that. I am enough of a spiritual romantic to think this sort of thing is possible, that there have been some saints that have this skill and influence. More plausible on a local level. On a global level, thats more iffy, but hope sprints eternal. Second question: Can RajT do that? Who knows. Outer appearances don't really correlate well with inner ripeness. Is it possible? I can't with absolute surety say no. Third Q: does it make much difference -- that is is it a strong effect or a real, but very subtle, hard to detect thing. Not sure. I can see in my mind's eye how that could work, and how it could be a strong effect. However, thats a long ways from detecting any discernible effect. But even if its fantastic -- a fantasy but a glorious one, it at least is wonderful art and participatory theater -- both of which can have quite a positive effect in breaking peoples internal boundaries, and giving a higher sense of what is possible. Drawing on the vast richness of such art and theater of the 60's: did sticking daisy in national guards guns at the front lines of mass protests really have any chance of stopping bullets? Of course not. But it was as hugely powerful image. A collective yes we can moment. Same with the stated intent of the mass protest at the Pentagon -- to levitate the Pentagon in the air. Was that feasible. Of course not. But that image, that theater, was powerful enough to shatter 10 million collective inner boundaries on what was possible. And guess what. The consequence of those 10 million shattered inner boundaries perhaps drove possible the most political savy president ever to drop out -- not run for re-election. Or the March on Washington. It was only words. But the collective, in sychn inner strength and outpouring was magical, IMO. It was art -- but powerfully transformative. Can RAjT and the other big hat bandidos create art that powerful?Probably not -- from what I have seen. But who knows what images can be made and which stick over time. Nablussos, as a conservative and experienced meditator here too wouldn't you think Brain here should needs to have his meditation checked? Brain, is a nice job description for the Raam to start with but everything else you write seems are your doubts.Yes, nice writing though it mostly 'sposes' only because it seems it isn't your experience, like Turq and curtis do here. You're getting terribly close to Turq and Curtis writing here in this way. Least you're not the outright denier like they are. I'm sorry for your lack of experience. Keep after it, It's really worthwhile. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
Denier of what exactly Buck? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: Yes, nice writing though it mostly 'sposes' only because it seems it isn't your experience, like Turq and curtis do here. You're getting terribly close to Turq and Curtis writing here in this way. Least you're not the outright denier like they are. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Denier of what exactly Buck? Yes, nice writing though it mostly 'sposes' only because it seems it isn't your experience, like Turq and curtis do here. You're getting terribly close to Turq and Curtis writing here in this way. Least you're not the outright denier like they are. -Buck Om, Let's just take a most recent blaspheme, 242698. Non-experience, , have led me to NOT BELIEVE that realizing one's enlightenment benefits anyone other than the person who is experiencing it. As to WHY I believe this, I have seen no evidence in over forty years that makes me believe otherwise. ... Few (other than Curtis) have ever even *challenged* this assumption on this forum. The belief in the supposed specialness of the enlightened so permeates the prevailing dogma-mindset of most spiritual seekers that they never feel that there is any *need* to challenge it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: Not a direct answer, but maybe of interest to some. Much has been made in the TMO about King Tony being embodiment of silence, etc., etc., and that is why he does not speak in public (or at least speak very much). I have always laughed at the TMO-provided reasons. I was on TTC with King Tony and have also watched him over the years, before and since becoming King Tony. Based on my observations (to begin with, you can observe a lot on 4 months of TTC), there is a very simple reason whey King Tony is the embodiment of silence: He is extremely lacking in confidence in relation to public speaking, does not want to do it, resulting in him being a mediocre public speaker. This is a trait that will not disappear in his lifetime. Thanks for your insights. The guy is way after my time, so I never encountered him and he means nothing to me except as a source of amusement, but your take on him sounds right to me, just from the videos. But I *am* surprised that no one took me up on my question below. Surely there must be *something* on some TM website or on some video somewhere in which either Maharishi or the modern TMO states for the record what King Tony's actual duties and abilities ARE. Has NO ONE here ever heard or read such an official job description? That in itself would tell a story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: Not a direct answer, but maybe of interest to some. Much has been made in the TMO about King Tony being embodiment of silence, etc., etc., and that is why he does not speak in public (or at least speak very much). I have always laughed at the TMO-provided reasons. I was on TTC with King Tony and have also watched him over the years, before and since becoming King Tony. Based on my observations (to begin with, you can observe a lot on 4 months of TTC), there is a very simple reason whey King Tony is the embodiment of silence: He is extremely lacking in confidence in relation to public speaking, does not want to do it, resulting in him being a mediocre public speaker. This is a trait that will not disappear in his lifetime. SOA Oh, that seems sad and so human. Though he's certainly got other ways too. Obviously is not down and out neither. Like he could sit with people or could write, like on FFL. The other guys there are talkers plenty. Only just sitting listening he has the lot of power. His is the important place at the head table just nodding a condescending yea and nay. Blessing. Keeping people straight. I'm glad he's there in the middle. Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck in FF PS I also think that this is not how he thought his life would play out and that he is not too happy about being a king. However, like many others at that level (Hagelin, Morris, Wallace, ...) they are prisoners in a faux gilded, highly-titled cage. Regardless of their personal preference, they simply have nowhere else to go. They have made their beds and they now have no alternative but to lie in them. They are all approaching 60, likely have no health benefits, absolutely not prospects of gainful employment. Even if they were independently wealthy, they simply do not have the cognitive/emotional capacity to extricate themselves from a lifetime of MMY teachings/propaganda/charm offensives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Hi don't get upset (experimenting dude-wise:courtesy of advise and credit to (Jai)John Manning) n Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? About the position and the function of Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram (King Tony) and why he did not speak. It was explained (by Bevan ) that Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram was Leading from the field of Silence this is the Silent Administration - and this is Vedic leadership it was explained. always the most silent level is nourishing and governing. Total knowledge, pure knowledge is on the silent level -notes from the Global Family chat of Sunday, Feb. 10, 2008 - reported by Dr. Peter Swan, Minister of Communication SILENCE SILENCE SILENCE Never occurred to anyone that the marriage of Tony Abu Ali Dan Nadar, anointed as the first ruler of the Global Country of world peace His Majesty Raja Nader Ram renamed in 2000 by the Maharishi, renamed Maharaja Dhiraaj Raja Ram could been a predesigned coup and arrangement just to make sure that HE will get used to be quiet and silent. So to make sure HE dares not to speak up. What a genius idea: In one stroke HE becomes mainstream and million followers without initiation silent husband has 5,880,000 (and/or 9.910.000 )search hits Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH(Barry speech/slang) to research. I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? snip Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH(Barry speech/slang) to research. Sorry, not interested. I'd guess the closest thing would be some of MMY's pronouncements at the time he appointed Tony king or at Tony's coronation, but I'm not about to try to locate and plow through those.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? snip Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH(Barry speech/slang) to research. Sorry, not interested. I'd guess the closest thing would be some of MMY's pronouncements at the time he appointed Tony king or at Tony's coronation, but I'm not about to try to locate and plow through those. Trying to locate it will not be successfull. Some words here and there perhaps but the core of the matter is a 100% private and confidential arrangement between His Holiness and Raja Raam.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
Hey, do we yet know who the Missus is? The woman Tony Nader Ramarama Who-Ha married? And what her title is? And les deux enfants? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Hi don't get upset (experimenting dude-wise:courtesy of advise and credit to (Jai)John Manning) n Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? About the position and the function of Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram (King Tony) and why he did not speak. It was explained (by Bevan ) that Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram was Leading from the field of Silence this is the Silent Administration - and this is Vedic leadership it was explained. always the most silent level is nourishing and governing. Total knowledge, pure knowledge is on the silent level -notes from the Global Family chat of Sunday, Feb. 10, 2008 - reported by Dr. Peter Swan, Minister of Communication SILENCE SILENCE SILENCE Never occurred to anyone that the marriage of Tony Abu Ali Dan Nadar, anointed as the first ruler of the Global Country of world peace His Majesty Raja Nader Ram renamed in 2000 by the Maharishi, renamed Maharaja Dhiraaj Raja Ram could been a predesigned coup and arrangement just to make sure that HE will get used to be quiet and silent. So to make sure HE dares not to speak up. What a genius idea: In one stroke HE becomes mainstream and million followers without initiation silent husband has 5,880,000 (and/or 9.910.000 )search hits Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH(Barry speech/slang) to research. I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
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Buck: Oh, that seems sad and so human... Actually it's sad and funny, Buck, both at the same time. But I can't believe how interested in Tony, the ex-TMers are today. It's like they can't seem get enough of this trashy Tony talk. The Insiders, like you and me and Nabby, we give them some little nibbles of information, and they just crave more and more. It's like they were insatiable, like a Tiger, never-ending quest, this craving for insider TMO info! So far, Vaj posted comments about fingering little girls, and his Mother Goddess; Turq says he doesn't give a shit about a guy getting some nookie; Shemp wants to know the name of Tony's wife and Lurk seems really interested in a guy that just got laid on YouTube. Bill Hicks apparently tried to hump his own dog this morning. And, now some guy calling himself 'merudanda' is trying to pick a fight with Judy! merudanda: Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH (Barry speech/slang) to research... FairfieldLife/message/243172ang) to research.
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Chief of Staff? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Buck: Oh, that seems sad and so human... Actually it's sad and funny, Buck, both at the same time. But I can't believe how interested in Tony, the ex-TMers are today. It's like they can't seem get enough of this trashy Tony talk. The Insiders, like you and me and Nabby, we give them some little nibbles of information, and they just crave more and more. It's like they were insatiable, like a Tiger, never-ending quest, this craving for insider TMO info! So far, Vaj posted comments about fingering little girls, and his Mother Goddess; Turq says he doesn't give a shit about a guy getting some nookie; Shemp wants to know the name of Tony's wife and Lurk seems really interested in a guy that just got laid on YouTube. Bill Hicks apparently tried to hump his own dog this morning. And, now some guy calling himself 'merudanda' is trying to pick a fight with Judy! merudanda: Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH (Barry speech/slang) to research... FairfieldLife/message/243172ang) to research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Chief of Staff? I know more or less everything that goes on within the TMO. But about this matter I know nothing. None of us have a clue; it's a very private thing. What I do know is that Maharishi has passed the tourch on to a very deserving soul.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Chief of Staff? I know more or less everything that goes on within the TMO. But about this matter I know nothing. None of us have a clue; it's a very private thing. What I do know is that Maharishi has passed the tourch on to a very deserving soul. What do you think of Girish, the wanna-be Maharishi, who dresses the part like a little girl at Halloween dresses like Glinda, the Good Witch of the North?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this. I would think its along the lines of: Infusing the world with akashic silence, removing deep subtle obstacles to progress, and nourishing nature's power of self organization. First question is -- is such a thing possible? Not can RajT do that, but could anyone do that. I am enough of a spiritual romantic to think this sort of thing is possible, that there have been some saints that have this skill and influence. More plausible on a local level. On a global level, thats more iffy, but hope sprints eternal. Second question: Can RajT do that? Who knows. Outer appearances don't really correlate well with inner ripeness. Is it possible? I can't with absolute surety say no. Third Q: does it make much difference -- that is is it a strong effect or a real, but very subtle, hard to detect thing. Not sure. I can see in my mind's eye how that could work, and how it could be a strong effect. However, thats a long ways from detecting any discernible effect. But even if its fantastic -- a fantasy but a glorious one, it at least is wonderful art and participatory theater -- both of which can have quite a positive effect in breaking peoples internal boundaries, and giving a higher sense of what is possible. Drawing on the vast richness of such art and theater of the 60's: did sticking daisy in national guards guns at the front lines of mass protests really have any chance of stopping bullets? Of course not. But it was as hugely powerful image. A collective yes we can moment. Same with the stated intent of the mass protest at the Pentagon -- to levitate the Pentagon in the air. Was that feasible. Of course not. But that image, that theater, was powerful enough to shatter 10 million collective inner boundaries on what was possible. And guess what. The consequence of those 10 million shattered inner boundaries perhaps drove possible the most political savy president ever to drop out -- not run for re-election. Or the March on Washington. It was only words. But the collective, in sychn inner strength and outpouring was magical, IMO. It was art -- but powerfully transformative. Can RAjT and the other big hat bandidos create art that powerful?Probably not -- from what I have seen. But who knows what images can be made and which stick over time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
Not a direct answer, but maybe of interest to some. Much has been made in the TMO about King Tony being embodiment of silence, etc., etc., and that is why he does not speak in public (or at least speak very much). I have always laughed at the TMO-provided reasons. I was on TTC with King Tony and have also watched him over the years, before and since becoming King Tony. Based on my observations (to begin with, you can observe a lot on 4 months of TTC), there is a very simple reason whey King Tony is the embodiment of silence: He is extremely lacking in confidence in relation to public speaking, does not want to do it, resulting in him being a mediocre public speaker. This is a trait that will not disappear in his lifetime. SOA PS I also think that this is not how he thought his life would play out and that he is not too happy about being a king. However, like many others at that level (Hagelin, Morris, Wallace, ...) they are prisoners in a faux gilded, highly-titled cage. Regardless of their personal preference, they simply have nowhere else to go. They have made their beds and they now have no alternative but to lie in them. They are all approaching 60, likely have no health benefits, absolutely not prospects of gainful employment. Even if they were independently wealthy, they simply do not have the cognitive/emotional capacity to extricate themselves from a lifetime of MMY teachings/propaganda/charm offensives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
