RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of george_deforest Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate." this whole exchange has been kinda hilarious. i have this idea for Rick, that maybe he should re-write the introductory welcome on the front page explaining how -in fact- this group works, to prevent this kind of misunderstanding for future "newbies". i think in light of the headlines on maharishi passing, there will be alot more of the curious, old-time TMers sniffing around here. Many have joined in the last few days. Give me some suggestions on how you would amend the description. We’re limited to 2,000 characters. Right now it’s written to include a lot of keywords that’ll help all sorts of people find the group. There’s also the guidelines that get sent to new members, and to everyone once a month. Those could be updated. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 8:12 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
this whole exchange has been kinda hilarious. i have this idea for Rick, that maybe he should re-write the introductory welcome on the front page explaining how -in fact- this group works, to prevent this kind of misunderstanding for future "newbies". i think in light of the headlines on maharishi passing, there will be alot more of the curious, old-time TMers sniffing around here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Behalf Of srijim1 > > Finally, someone who is actually willing to explain the situation without > feeling the need to > insult me. Now, was that so difficult to accomplish? Rick, here I thought > you were some > "true believer" and now it is apparent you are anything but. My apologies. I > am obviously > in the wrong forum talking to the wrong people. You have your own thing > happening here > and I'll intrude no further. Good luck to you all. > > SriJim > > I hope you stick around. I'm sure you'd have a lot to contribute. It's often > a rough and tumble atmosphere here. Maybe those who make it that way like it > that way. If you don't, don't contribute to it, ignore those who insult you > and try to pull you into nastiness, and pick out the good stuff. In other > words, "Take what you need and leave the rest."
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Srijim, They called me an asshole for a good while, they were right actualy, I was also clueless. I shut up and learned something. We don't know yet if it worked, however. Ben, you are loveable. No doubt about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Nabby, are you paying attention? Speaking of Nabby, he hasn't posted in several days. I wonder if he made a pilgrimage to Vlodrop to see MMY one last time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
On Feb 8, 2008, at 11:29 AM, srijim1 wrote: Finally, someone who is actually willing to explain the situation without feeling the need to insult me. Now, was that so difficult to accomplish? Rick, here I thought you were some "true believer" and now it is apparent you are anything but. My apologies. I am obviously in the wrong forum talking to the wrong people. You have your own thing happening here and I'll intrude no further. Good luck to you all. I believe most TB's avoid FFL or have even been told (in FF) that it is "off the program" to participate here. I suspect the only TMO TB's you'll find here are "lurkers". But there are a lot of TM/TMSP TB's here.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of srijim1 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate." Finally, someone who is actually willing to explain the situation without feeling the need to insult me. Now, was that so difficult to accomplish? Rick, here I thought you were some "true believer" and now it is apparent you are anything but. My apologies. I am obviously in the wrong forum talking to the wrong people. You have your own thing happening here and I'll intrude no further. Good luck to you all. SriJim I hope you stick around. I’m sure you’d have a lot to contribute. It’s often a rough and tumble atmosphere here. Maybe those who make it that way like it that way. If you don’t, don’t contribute to it, ignore those who insult you and try to pull you into nastiness, and pick out the good stuff. In other words, “Take what you need and leave the rest.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
Sri Jim, Hey, I've seen quite a few folks barge in here since, well, since I barged in here about a year ago with my tude going full blast, and just about all of the newbies have had to fight their way into this gang. Gotta take a thousand kicks from us -- that's how we see if you go away or stick around and surrender to the abuse that is available here -- it can be as much fun as snowball fighting, and as dangerous. I post these long rants and lectures and sermons and get almost nothing back, but I look at it as my archiving for posterity the ruminations of a newage cud chewer. I pride myself that as long as the Internet lasts, I'll be googlable. Scant immortality, but where else can an ego invest these days? Prepare to have King Lear's feelings on a regular basis if you try to lay down some truth here. Points of view are mercilessly scathed and I count it as a nice sandpapering of one's egoic sculpture to get a group to refine one's projections. That said, hey, I really like you. I really really like you. Keep posting. Something ya gots resonates over here. If you post some biographical info, that sometimes mellows the folks out -- otherwise, a stranger has come to town and we're all putting our hands next to our holsters. And get that damned stair-stepping format fixed. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijim1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You are incorrect on both counts. I am NOT > > a good guy, and I call you an asshole because > > you're acting like one. Your assessment of me > > is as off as your initial assessment of who > > Rick Archer is and what his intention was in > > reposting an announcement. > > > > You're clueless. Either shut up and learn > > something, or go away. > > > > TurquoiseB, LOL!!! Okay, have it your way... you are a jerk and probably a complete > asshole as well. I won't dispute that with you. I wanted to give you the benefit of the > doubt... but, oh well. You say I'm clueless, while at the same time offering absolutely > nothing to back up your statement. What do I have to do?... pay some kind of initiation fee > to become privy to this secret knowledge you claim to possess. Rick Archer's posting of > that TM Movement superlative clap-trap seemed a bit moronic to me, but if you possess > some higher wisdom on the subject hit me with your best shot. I'm an adult... I can take > it. But, if all you can do is regurgitate insults and patronizingly say, "Learn something" ... > then spare me. Who the hell made you pope of this thread... you servile arrogant prick. > This is a public forum open to anyone who wants to participate. You say you left the TM > Movement years ago... and yet you seem to exhibit the same kind of haughty imperious > attitude the TM Movement is so famous for. What is it with you & Judith? ... do you think > just because you hurl some supercilious insults in an intimidating manner, I'm supposed > to take it on faith you have any clue what you're talking about? I certainly haven't seen any > evidence of it. All I've seen is some pompous guy who is verbose... and yet does not > persuade. If you have a legitimate point of view that can be backed up... state it like an > adult. If it has any merit, I'll listen. But, enough of this acerbic nonsense you keep > spouting. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of srijim1 > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:46 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] "What we have here is a failure to > communicate." > > > > "What we have here is a failure to communicate." > > I see your point and you are correct that I was under the impression that I > was > corresponding with forum members currently living in Fairfield and involved > in the > activities of the TM Movement. My initial response was to some guy named > Rick Archer > and the subject of the thread was/and is: Special Broadcast on Maharishi > Channel. If you > read my initial response, you should see that my response was in no way > directed towards > people who had actually left the TM Movement. Quite to the contrary, I > applaud you for > having the good sense to do so. When I read your responses, it was my > assumption that > they were targeted to the thread subject matter as initiated by Mr. Archer. > The purpose of > a subject line in a thread is to keep responses within an overall context in > order to stay on > point. You actually sound like a pretty good guy, so I won't take serious > offense at you > repeatedly calling me an asshole, but I don't mind pointing out that you are > actually the > one responding on the wrong thread with regard to the subject topic and it's > initiation. It's > an honest mistake on both of our parts. I was responding to a thread > initiated by a "true > believer," Rick Archer, > > Hey Nabby, are you paying attention? I've been anointed a "true believer." > Cool! Do I get a crown with that? > > Jim, for the record, many things I post here are forwarded. I post them > because I consider them significant and potential stimulants for discussion. > They don't necessarily reflect my opinions. People who've been around a > while know this, so I don't preface every post with a disclaimer. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 > 11:17 AM > Finally, someone who is actually willing to explain the situation without feeling the need to insult me. Now, was that so difficult to accomplish? Rick, here I thought you were some "true believer" and now it is apparent you are anything but. My apologies. I am obviously in the wrong forum talking to the wrong people. You have your own thing happening here and I'll intrude no further. Good luck to you all. SriJim
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijim1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > an honest mistake on both of our parts. I was responding to a thread > initiated by a "true > believer," Rick Archer, with the hope that I might stir up a dialog with > either him or people > who share his convictions. Probably wishful thinking on my part. Instead, I > was preaching > to the choir without being aware of it. It's a shame really because right now > TM Movement > members have what appears to be a real opportunity to throw off the chains of > tyranny > people like you had the wisdom to recognize years and even decades ago. > > And to any other Ex-TMers out there, please understand that all of my > postings have been > directed to what I believed was a TM Movement yahoo group in the context of a > TM > Movement staff member's press release. > Dude, you still need to chill out and watch for a while. Rick Archer is NOT a TM Movement true believer (TB). He, like a lot of us, was once deeply involved in the inner workings of the TM organization. He is actually banned from certain inner TM activities now. (Dome) You're way off trying to categorize him as a movement zombie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
> You are incorrect on both counts. I am NOT > a good guy, and I call you an asshole because > you're acting like one. Your assessment of me > is as off as your initial assessment of who > Rick Archer is and what his intention was in > reposting an announcement. > > You're clueless. Either shut up and learn > something, or go away. > TurquoiseB, LOL!!! Okay, have it your way... you are a jerk and probably a complete asshole as well. I won't dispute that with you. I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt... but, oh well. You say I'm clueless, while at the same time offering absolutely nothing to back up your statement. What do I have to do?... pay some kind of initiation fee to become privy to this secret knowledge you claim to possess. Rick Archer's posting of that TM Movement superlative clap-trap seemed a bit moronic to me, but if you possess some higher wisdom on the subject hit me with your best shot. I'm an adult... I can take it. But, if all you can do is regurgitate insults and patronizingly say, "Learn something" ... then spare me. Who the hell made you pope of this thread... you servile arrogant prick. This is a public forum open to anyone who wants to participate. You say you left the TM Movement years ago... and yet you seem to exhibit the same kind of haughty imperious attitude the TM Movement is so famous for. What is it with you & Judith? ... do you think just because you hurl some supercilious insults in an intimidating manner, I'm supposed to take it on faith you have any clue what you're talking about? I certainly haven't seen any evidence of it. All I've seen is some pompous guy who is verbose... and yet does not persuade. If you have a legitimate point of view that can be backed up... state it like an adult. If it has any merit, I'll listen. But, enough of this acerbic nonsense you keep spouting.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Gilberti Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:56 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate." Rick. I never heard the "mustard belly" reference before, but couldn't find a definition for it when I googled it. What does it mean? -- Ben I remember hearing once that when sailors crossed the equator for the first time, they would undergo a hazing that sometimes involved spreading spicy mustard on their bellies, among other unpleasant yet non-lethal things. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
Rick. I never heard the "mustard belly" reference before, but couldn't find a definition for it when I googled it. What does it mean? -- Ben Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Gilberti Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:12 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here is a failure to communicate." Dear Srijim, They called me an asshole for a good while, they were right actualy, I was also clueless. I shut up and learned something. We don't know yet if it worked, however. Its a rite of passage. A sort of virtual mustard belly. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijim1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was responding to a thread initiated by a "true > believer," Rick Archer No, you weren't. Rick started this group because he was *not* a True Believer. Barry already explained this to you. You just aren't paying attention. > And to any other Ex-TMers out there, please understand that all > of my postings have been directed to what I believed was a TM > Movement yahoo group in the context of a TM Movement staff > member's press release. Everybody who's read your posts here understands you were operating on the basis of this mistaken assumption; it could hardly have been clearer. Again, that's why I suggested you go back and read some of the earlier traffic from before MMY died. If you had done so, your mistake would have become obvious to you. A few other points, since you appear to be listening now: This group is *open* to True Believers; theoretically they're welcome here, although in practice that isn't always the case, and they're distinctly in the minority. Not all the members of the group live in Fairfield. Not sure of the percentages, but I'd guess more don't. A lot of people are members of the group but don't usually post. Some read the group regularly; some don't. Some are True Believers; some aren't. When MMY died, a bunch of these lurkers came out of the woodwork to express their feelings about the event. In many cases, these were people who still admire, or even revere, Maharishi. So if you read any of the traffic beyond Rick's post, you did see many more posts from True Believers than you would in a normal week. A lot of the people here have *mixed feelings* about MMY. Don't assume that because someone says something positive about him, therefore they're a True Believer; or if they post something negative, therefore they agree with your perspective on all points. This forum is, among other things, a source for news and gossip about the TM movement. Most of us are interested in following what's going on, whether we're still part of the movement or not (or whether we ever were or not). Movement press releases and other "official" material is frequently posted here simply to keep us informed of what's happening. That someone posts a piece of TMO material by no means indicates that they "believe" what it says. It's a standard recommendation for people joining electronic forums that they take some time--at least a week--to read the traffic before they start posting. The reason this recommendation is made is to help people *avoid* making the kind of mistakes you've made and looking like a fool. So you may want to take that piece of advice to heart for the future.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Gilberti Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:12 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate." Dear Srijim, They called me an asshole for a good while, they were right actualy, I was also clueless. I shut up and learned something. We don't know yet if it worked, however. It’s a rite of passage. A sort of virtual mustard belly. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijim1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was responding to a thread initiated by a "true believer," Rick > Archer, with the hope that I might stir up a dialog with either him > or people who share his convictions. That is yet another incorrect assumption and example of why you would do well to spend some serious time, reading the archives and getting to know the participants here. Rick Archer is NOT a TM "true believer". Rick Archer was kicked out of the dome. Rick Archer ditched his TM mantra and instead uses a mantra given to him by Ammachi. Rick Archer is the one who posted an email discussion about allegations that MMY was sexually involved with women. These are all facts that can be found in the FFL archives. There's a reason why it's common netiquette for newbies to a forum to lurk for a while and get a feel for the forum and its participants before participating. You barged in here, completely ignorant of what FFL is about and the people who post here, and started making a complete ass of yourself. Barry's right: "You're clueless. Either shut up and learn something, or go away."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
Dear Srijim, They called me an asshole for a good while, they were right actualy, I was also clueless. I shut up and learned something. We don't know yet if it worked, however. -- Ben TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijim1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You actually sound like a pretty good guy, so I won't > take serious offense at you repeatedly calling me an > asshole... You are incorrect on both counts. I am NOT a good guy, and I call you an asshole because you're acting like one. Your assessment of me is as off as your initial assessment of who Rick Archer is and what his intention was in reposting an announcement. You're clueless. Either shut up and learn something, or go away. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: "What we have here.... is a failure to communicate."
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijim1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You actually sound like a pretty good guy, so I won't > take serious offense at you repeatedly calling me an > asshole... You are incorrect on both counts. I am NOT a good guy, and I call you an asshole because you're acting like one. Your assessment of me is as off as your initial assessment of who Rick Archer is and what his intention was in reposting an announcement. You're clueless. Either shut up and learn something, or go away.
