[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, Please tell us the below was you being satirical. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm* * Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would be around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a city. * *[image: Los Angeles Times] http://www.latimes.com/ The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to chart a course for offshore energy development. By Jim Tankersley April 3, 2009 Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's current demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday. Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals Management Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable development on the outer continental shelf. The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which the Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity -- enough to meet a quarter of the national demand. The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges. The Interior Department released an executive summaryhttp://www.doi.gov/ocs/ExecutiveSummary-final.pdfof the report on Thursday. It noted that strong wind resources also exist offshore California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially significant -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind potential. The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific coast: the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil. Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon dioxide emissions, that we are only beginning to tap the potential of offshore renewable energy. The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a course for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year amid high oil prices and chants of Drill, baby, drill at the Republican National Convention. Critics have accused President Obama and Salazar of dragging their feet on new oil and gas drilling, and Thursday's report does little to rebut those complaints. It includes no new estimates of potential oil and gas reserves offshore and notes that some of the existing estimates are based on 25-year-old seismic studies. Meeting with reporters after his speech, Salazar said he would wait to decide whether to commission new seismic studies until after he convened a four-stop series of offshore energy hearings, which begin next week in Atlantic City, N.J. In San Francisco, a hearing will be held April 16 at 9 a.m. at the Mission Bay Conference Center at UC San Francisco. Drilling advocates say updated estimates could show even more offshore oil potential. In contrast, Salazar said he expected a push to expedite offshore wind development to be one of the most significant aspects at the hearings. He pledged to finalize guidelines for such development, which the Bush administration failed to complete before leaving office, within about two months. jtankersley@
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, Please tell us the below was you being satirical. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. snip, I don't think this will cause a noticeable problem as it will be such a long time before the windmills excede the number of trees that have been cut down that we shouldn't worry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: The problem with wind turbines is... ...that they are already old hat. This free ebook (1800 pages) can provide all that is required whether the wind blows or not: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk Look out for Charles Flynn, Tesla Switch, Robert Adams, Bob Boyce. And Takahashi here: http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. Not quite, but it IS possible for a wind turbine farm to rob the wind locally and affect local weather patterns. Its like planting a really tall grove of trees somewhere. If plants/animals in that location depend on the wind to distribute moisture or whatever to the rest of the system, then the trees disrupt the local pattern and the local ecology. An inverse of the overfarming that created the sahara dessert. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't think this will cause a noticeable problem as it will be such a long time before the windmills excede the number of trees that have been cut down that we shouldn't worry. I stole this piece from Slashdot where there a lot of very qualified people from around the world posting. Very refreshing from FFL. It was noted and agreed with that this would actually help with global warming because there's too much energy in the Earth right now. Capturing some of the wind would lower the energy level of the Earth and thereby cool it. Now as long as we have enough trucks on highways we'll always have enough wind. You see when I was knee high to a grasshopper, we lived pretty much out in the country. A state highway ran about 1/4 mile away from us. I observed that trucks speeding by on highways made wind so I generalized to the entire weather system. I had to do some real stretching to explain hurricanes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, Please tell us the below was you being satirical. Edg My response to that, Edg, is similar to the response given to people who ask a salesman, say, how much the Rolls Royce in the showroom costs: if you have to ask, you can't afford it. Edg, if you have to ask whether what I wrote was satirical you really aren't in a position to understand satire. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm* * Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would be around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a city. * *[image: Los Angeles Times] http://www.latimes.com/ The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to chart a course for offshore energy development. By Jim Tankersley April 3, 2009 Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's current demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday. Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals Management Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable development on the outer continental shelf. The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which the Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity -- enough to meet a quarter of the national demand. The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges. The Interior Department released an executive summaryhttp://www.doi.gov/ocs/ExecutiveSummary-final.pdfof the report on Thursday. It noted that strong wind resources also exist offshore California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially significant -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind potential. The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific coast: the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil. Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon dioxide emissions, that we are only beginning to tap the potential of offshore renewable energy. The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a course for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year amid high oil prices and chants of Drill, baby, drill at the Republican National Convention. Critics have accused President Obama and Salazar of dragging their feet on new oil and gas drilling, and Thursday's report does little to rebut those complaints. It includes no new estimates of potential oil and gas reserves offshore and notes that some of the existing estimates are based on 25-year-old seismic studies. Meeting with reporters after his speech, Salazar said he would wait to decide whether to commission new seismic studies until after he convened a four-stop series of offshore energy hearings, which begin next week in Atlantic City, N.J. In San Francisco, a hearing will be held April 16 at 9 a.m. at the Mission Bay Conference Center at UC San Francisco. Drilling advocates say updated estimates could show even more offshore oil potential. In contrast, Salazar said he expected a push to expedite offshore wind development to be one of the most significant aspects at the hearings. He pledged to finalize guidelines for such development, which the Bush administration failed to complete before leaving office, within about two months. jtankersley@
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
Clever response! Thanks for the glib put-down. I'm braced thereby. I have been positioning myself here as someone who's in the know about quite a few science frontiers, and, you got me good with my knee jerkingly thinking you were possibly serious. I'll consider it a belated April Fools joke. If Turq is wrong, and you do believe the crap below, I suggest you not express your truth to anyone in the real world lest you be recognized as a world-class chicken-little. It is possible to slow the Earth's spin, but only with massive massive power -- such as that tsunami in Indonesia which slightly slowed the Earth's spin. The wind farms will have to have millions to tens of millions of turbines out there to even begin to affect the Earth's spin. And, the Earth would have to stop quickly (within a few seconds) in order for anything to be spun off into space. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, Please tell us the below was you being satirical. Edg My response to that, Edg, is similar to the response given to people who ask a salesman, say, how much the Rolls Royce in the showroom costs: if you have to ask, you can't afford it. Edg, if you have to ask whether what I wrote was satirical you really aren't in a position to understand satire. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm* * Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would be around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a city. * *[image: Los Angeles Times] http://www.latimes.com/ The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to chart a course for offshore energy development. By Jim Tankersley April 3, 2009 Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's current demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday. Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals Management Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable development on the outer continental shelf. The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which the Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity -- enough to meet a quarter of the national demand. The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges. The Interior Department released an executive summaryhttp://www.doi.gov/ocs/ExecutiveSummary-final.pdfof the report on Thursday. It noted that strong wind resources also exist offshore California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially significant -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind potential. The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific coast: the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil. Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon dioxide emissions, that we are only beginning to tap the potential of offshore renewable energy. The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a course for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year amid high oil prices and chants of Drill, baby, drill at the Republican National Convention. Critics have accused President Obama and Salazar of dragging their feet on new oil and gas drilling, and Thursday's report does little to rebut those complaints. It includes no new estimates of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm* * Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would be around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a city. * *[image: Los Angeles Times] http://www.latimes.com/ The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to chart a course for offshore energy development. By Jim Tankersley April 3, 2009 Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's current demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday. Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals Management Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable development on the outer continental shelf. The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which the Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity -- enough to meet a quarter of the national demand. The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges. The Interior Department released an executive summaryhttp://www.doi.gov/ocs/ExecutiveSummary-final.pdfof the report on Thursday. It noted that strong wind resources also exist offshore California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially significant -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind potential. The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific coast: the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil. Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon dioxide emissions, that we are only beginning to tap the potential of offshore renewable energy. The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a course for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year amid high oil prices and chants of Drill, baby, drill at the Republican National Convention. Critics have accused President Obama and Salazar of dragging their feet on new oil and gas drilling, and Thursday's report does little to rebut those complaints. It includes no new estimates of potential oil and gas reserves offshore and notes that some of the existing estimates are based on 25-year-old seismic studies. Meeting with reporters after his speech, Salazar said he would wait to decide whether to commission new seismic studies until after he convened a four-stop series of offshore energy hearings, which begin next week in Atlantic City, N.J. In San Francisco, a hearing will be held April 16 at 9 a.m. at the Mission Bay Conference Center at UC San Francisco. Drilling advocates say updated estimates could show even more offshore oil potential. In contrast, Salazar said he expected a push to expedite offshore wind development to be one of the most significant aspects at the hearings. He pledged to finalize guidelines for such development, which the Bush administration failed to complete before leaving office, within about two months. jtankers...@...
