[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind > > > > what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative > > > > world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- > > > > enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals > > > > is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the > > > > eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. > > > > i think in the early years maharishi wanted to first establish > > what, for us, was new knowledge re the eternal message of > > enlightenment and Absolute Being. For the sake of us > > inexperienced westerners, he made the story black-and-white > > to make it easier to take in. > > > > But now he is thinking that since we have been > > meditating all these years, getting quite established in That. > > so to speed things along he can introduce more complex > > additional vedic approaches *in the relative* that support and > > hasten the growth of Absolute, so, iow i think you are getting > > yourself offended by a polarity that is not really there in truth, > > but was good for introductory lessons. > > Well stated, but it's not really a "polarity" that > Maharishi is setting up these days. There is only > one pole, the relative. > > If he were talking about all these "band-aids for the > relative world" as an *adjunct* to still teaching > people to meditate, that would support your thesis. > But he isn't. > > There is no TM focus on helping people to help themselves, > via meditation, anywhere in the world, unless it's in > the possibly mythical "schools in India." He's raised > the prices for TM instruction so high that virtually > no one is starting TM *anywhere*. It's like he's > talking about building the world's tallest building, > but forgetting to build the foundation first. > > If he were balancing all these Grand Schemes by *also* > providing a program -- paid for by the profits from > the Grand Schemes -- to offer TM at a reasonable cost, > I'd have very few problems with the Grand Schemes. > But he's not. TM instruction -- offering an easily- > learned form of basic meditation to people -- is passé. > He doesn't talk about it any more, and he doesn't do > anything about it any more. And I find that terribly > sad. IMO Maharishi is demonstrating regularly and spectacularly to anyone that pays attention to him that enlightenment or awakening or Brahman or whatever you want to call it, is NOT achieved by following the Master. The Master shows you all possibilities, and if he is any good, brings you to the cliff's edge, and shoves you off, into eternal freedom. Become your own Master. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > But the "rightness" of those introductory lessons -- those simple > > truths and fundamental principles -- shouldn't have to be negated by > > these latest more "complex" additions to the teaching...they should > > complement the introductory lessons, not conflict with them. > > > > When one comes out with statements like: you need proper vastu or > > the world is going to fall apart then, yes, this does conflict with > > the original message. > > ya, it has gotten a little too crazy, so that "almost everybody" is > unable and unwilling to "keep up" to TB "re-certified" standards, > ...which is too bad. so much is getting lost! > > M could be saying more like: here you all have made alot of progress > to enlightenment, and this little extra is quite powerful to speed up > the last stroke of it... However, he seems to get distracted by this > urgent end-of-the-world theme, (probly cause he is going soon!) What is important for me, for MY growth and development, is to not feel sidetracked by these other "teachings". My path is the TM program and I should not feel sidetracked if I am not participating in the latest, greatest Grand Scheme, as Tantra puts it, or taking the latest course or technique. I live my life. If my house happens to have a west or south facing entrance, I don't want to have to feel that I have to uproot my entire life so that I have to move or make some great expense to live my life according to Vastu because MMY just pronounced that the whole world is doomed unless we rebuild everything. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
> "shempmcgurk" wrote: > But the "rightness" of those introductory lessons -- those simple > truths and fundamental principles -- shouldn't have to be negated by > these latest more "complex" additions to the teaching...they should > complement the introductory lessons, not conflict with them. > > When one comes out with statements like: you need proper vastu or > the world is going to fall apart then, yes, this does conflict with > the original message. ya, it has gotten a little too crazy, so that "almost everybody" is unable and unwilling to "keep up" to TB "re-certified" standards, ...which is too bad. so much is getting lost! M could be saying more like: here you all have made alot of progress to enlightenment, and this little extra is quite powerful to speed up the last stroke of it... However, he seems to get distracted by this urgent end-of-the-world theme, (probly cause he is going soon!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind > > > what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative > > > world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- > > > enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals > > > is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the > > > eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. > > i think in the early years maharishi wanted to first establish > what, for us, was new knowledge re the eternal message of > enlightenment and Absolute Being. For the sake of us > inexperienced westerners, he made the story black-and-white > to make it easier to take in. > > But now he is thinking that since we have been > meditating all these years, getting quite established in That. > so to speed things along he can introduce more complex > additional vedic approaches *in the relative* that support and > hasten the growth of Absolute, so, iow i think you are getting > yourself offended by a polarity that is not really there in truth, > but was good for introductory lessons. Well stated, but it's not really a "polarity" that Maharishi is setting up these days. There is only one pole, the relative. If he were talking about all these "band-aids for the relative world" as an *adjunct* to still teaching people to meditate, that would support your thesis. But he isn't. There is no TM focus on helping people to help themselves, via meditation, anywhere in the world, unless it's in the possibly mythical "schools in India." He's raised the prices for TM instruction so high that virtually no one is starting TM *anywhere*. It's like he's talking about building the world's tallest building, but forgetting to build the foundation first. If he were balancing all these Grand Schemes by *also* providing a program -- paid for by the profits from the Grand Schemes -- to offer TM at a reasonable cost, I'd have very few problems with the Grand Schemes. But he's not. TM instruction -- offering an easily- learned form of basic meditation to people -- is passé. He doesn't talk about it any more, and he doesn't do anything about it any more. And I find that terribly sad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind > > > > what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative > > > > world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- > > > > enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals > > > > is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the > > > > eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. > > > > i think in the early years maharishi wanted to first establish > > what, for us, was new knowledge re the eternal message of > > enlightenment and Absolute Being. For the sake of us > > inexperienced westerners, he made the story black-and-white > > to make it easier to take in. > > > > But now he is thinking that since we have been > > meditating all these years, getting quite established in That. > > so to speed things along he can introduce more complex > > additional vedic approaches *in the relative* that support and > > hasten the growth of Absolute, so, iow i think you are getting > > yourself offended by a polarity that is not really there in truth, > but > > was good for introductory lessons. > > But the "rightness" of those introductory lessons -- those simple > truths and fundamental principles -- shouldn't have to be negated by > these latest more "complex" additions to the teaching...they should > complement the introductory lessons, not conflict with them. > > When one comes out with statements like: you need proper vastu or > the world is going to fall apart then, yes, this does conflict with > the original message. Do you understand the meaning of the word "guarantee?" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind > > > > what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative > > > > world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- > > > > enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals > > > > is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the > > > > eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. > > Yes, the irony is that MMY's was a revival of 'lost knowledge' when he > was teaching the Gita and TM in the 1950's, 1960's and early 70's. A > knowledge that would last 10,000 generations. In less than one > generation he un-did and buried his initial work by his own hand and > whims pursuing money-making and this kind of minutia of detail in > vastu selling by whipping up such anxiety about the relative. At one > time inside the TM.org this type of whipping up of such things mental > was called 'mis-stake of the intellect'. The irony is huge. You > should listen to a lecture of Jonathan Lipman's as a chief > spokesperson architect about MSV. He is masterful in his marketing > from the git-go, it is about cultivating aggrevation in the vatta > dirrangible. > > In teaching 'the knowledge', one other saint's reaction to the whole > 'peace palace' thing was succinct: "Peace is not found in palaces". > Peace is where people gather peacefully. Why not in palaces? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind > > > what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative > > > world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- > > > enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals > > > is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the > > > eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. > > i think in the early years maharishi wanted to first establish > what, for us, was new knowledge re the eternal message of > enlightenment and Absolute Being. For the sake of us > inexperienced westerners, he made the story black-and-white > to make it easier to take in. > > But now he is thinking that since we have been > meditating all these years, getting quite established in That. > so to speed things along he can introduce more complex > additional vedic approaches *in the relative* that support and > hasten the growth of Absolute, so, iow i think you are getting > yourself offended by a polarity that is not really there in truth, but > was good for introductory lessons. But the "rightness" of those introductory lessons -- those simple truths and fundamental principles -- shouldn't have to be negated by these latest more "complex" additions to the teaching...they should complement the introductory lessons, not conflict with them. When one comes out with statements like: you need proper vastu or the world is going to fall apart then, yes, this does conflict with the original message. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind > > > what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative > > > world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- > > > enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals > > > is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the > > > eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. Yes, the irony is that MMY's was a revival of 'lost knowledge' when he was teaching the Gita and TM in the 1950's, 1960's and early 70's. A knowledge that would last 10,000 generations. In less than one generation he un-did and buried his initial work by his own hand and whims pursuing money-making and this kind of minutia of detail in vastu selling by whipping up such anxiety about the relative. At one time inside the TM.org this type of whipping up of such things mental was called 'mis-stake of the intellect'. The irony is huge. You should listen to a lecture of Jonathan Lipman's as a chief spokesperson architect about MSV. He is masterful in his marketing from the git-go, it is about cultivating aggrevation in the vatta dirrangible. In teaching 'the knowledge', one other saint's reaction to the whole 'peace palace' thing was succinct: "Peace is not found in palaces". JGD, -Doug > > i think in the early years maharishi wanted to first establish > what, for us, was new knowledge re the eternal message of > enlightenment and Absolute Being. For the sake of us > inexperienced westerners, he made the story black-and-white > to make it easier to take in. > > But now he is thinking that since we have been > meditating all these years, getting quite established in That. > so to speed things along he can introduce more complex > additional vedic approaches *in the relative* that support and > hasten the growth of Absolute, so, iow i think you are getting > yourself offended by a polarity that is not really there in truth, but > was good for introductory lessons. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
> > ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind > > what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative > > world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- > > enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals > > is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the > > eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. i think in the early years maharishi wanted to first establish what, for us, was new knowledge re the eternal message of enlightenment and Absolute Being. For the sake of us inexperienced westerners, he made the story black-and-white to make it easier to take in. But now he is thinking that since we have been meditating all these years, getting quite established in That. so to speed things along he can introduce more complex additional vedic approaches *in the relative* that support and hasten the growth of Absolute, so, iow i think you are getting yourself offended by a polarity that is not really there in truth, but was good for introductory lessons. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
I don't necessarily disagree with any of your remarks; However, when I listened to Maharishi's explanation for the new buildings, I believe he called them "Wealth Producing", not enlightenment producing; Perhaps, this indicates a basic change in desire, from enlightenment, to wealth and money. Much like the rest of our culture right now: Money is the God of our culture; Perhaps Maharishi started to recognize this, years ago, when this lust for money became the norm, during the Reagan Administration.. > > Sparaig is asking what specifically is so offensive about, > > after 20 years or more, there being a recertification course? > > What is offensive is charging more for the "course" > (which as we all know involved no new training) than > the teachers paid for their original training, and > declaring them persona non grata in the organization > if they don't pony up the cash. > > What is offensive is the *real* reason for the > "recertification" program, which is that the TMO has > realized it doesn't have any binding legal agree- > ments with any of its teachers, and wanted to impose > them retroactively. And, of course, make the teachers > pay for the organization's oversight. > > > Or about Vastu pronouncements, etc? > > Vastu as a theory is no more offensive than any other > theory about living in harmony with the earth like > feng shui or Tibetan Sa-che or Western geomancy. > > What is offensive is declaring that the world *has* to > be rebuilt according to one man's interpretation of > this theory to sustain world peace. > > What is offensive is the assumption that people would > actually *go along with* rejecting their own cultural > traditions and tearing down all their historical build- > ings, just because some senile old fart says they should. > > What is offensive is that TB TMers can actually listen > to these ideas and not see (as can almost *anyone* who > lives in the real world) that the person proposing them > is completely out of touch with reality. > > What is offensive is that the TBs do this because they > wish to believe that the gentleman who is proposing > these insane, unworkable ideas once taught them some- > thing they found valuable, and they now feel that they > should believe everything he says about anything, just > because he says it. > > What is offensive is the idea that living in "perfect > environments" leads to perfect behavior, coming from the > organization that has seen one murder and many suicides > in such perfect environments. > > And what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind > what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative > world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- > enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals > is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the > eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
