Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
No worries I did notice you on the top of the Post Count, chatty Kathy huh..LOL..my response to Obba was in essence my story of what happened to me :-) On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Denise Evans wrote: > Thank you Ravi...your post to Obba, btw, has strains of a Rumi poem. It's > quite beautiful. I'm sure I'm over my limit, or within a post or two, so I > am going to stay away and practice sitting next week. I'm wiped out by all > my intensity over the last few days...although I enjoyed playing in the > playground. > > From: Ravi Yogi > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 1:05 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by > Walter Isaacson > > > Dear Denise, > > No problem I appreciate your views and sure - it doesn't work for everyone. > But you know what, like you said there's definitely lot to others to choose > from. > > Pre-awakening in the depths of misery I tried everything I could lay hand on. > ( My Guru didn't have the IAM technique then :-)). > > And one of them was this - this simple technique of watching your incoming > breath and then outgoing breath. Incoming - life, creation - outgoing - the > end death. It was fun doing the technique because you enter a stillness with > the outgoing breath. > > So good luck !!! > > Love, > Ravi > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Denise Evans wrote: > >> >> Ravi, I was actually talking about Buddhism as there is a large body of >> information targeting the ignorant masses looking for a different spiritual >> practice. It has been dumbed down and I'm not clear that benefit could not >> be gained by cherry-picking some of the techniques, regardless of whether >> one delves more deeply into the complexities of "Buddhism." >> >> It's free and seems more above-board in this respect. I disagree that >> people don't appreciate things they receive for free and the commitment >> comes from inside, in all regards. >> >> I just keep believing that it doesn't matter so much what tradition is >> followed if one's intention and practice serve to meet one's personal needs. >> For me, for example, if I just simply sit and breathe for 30 minutes and >> focus on my breath, which is the simplest of things to do, I start to calm >> down. If that is all I ever manage, it may not get me to an altered state >> or "higher" level of consciousness, but it might improve the quality of my >> life still. >> >> I do agree that there is likely more to be gained from more in-depth study >> and participation in a spiritual practice of one's choosing. >> >> I bought an Macbook Pro and paid extra for the hand-holding contract piece, >> but I don't find that I feel particularly special, just poorer. >> >> From: Ravi Yogi >> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs >> by Walter Isaacson >> >> >> Hmm..Denise I'm confused - you must be referring to TM while I was talking >> about Buddhism. >> >> As far as I can see, there is value in TM charging money - one people never >> appreciate anything they receive for free, secondly they put more effort >> since they have paid it and thirdly it makes them feel special, much like >> buying an Apple product which is very helpful in initial stages. >> >> >> On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Denise Evans wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who >>> have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination" >>> >>> I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in >>> fullyI think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques >>> that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. >>> >>> From: Ravi Yogi >>> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >>> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs >>> by Walter Isaacson >>> >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "seventhray1" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly >>>> w
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
Thank you Ravi...your post to Obba, btw, has strains of a Rumi poem. It's quite beautiful. I'm sure I'm over my limit, or within a post or two, so I am going to stay away and practice sitting next week. I'm wiped out by all my intensity over the last few days...although I enjoyed playing in the playground. From: Ravi Yogi To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Dear Denise, No problem I appreciate your views and sure - it doesn't work for everyone. But you know what, like you said there's definitely lot to others to choose from. Pre-awakening in the depths of misery I tried everything I could lay hand on. ( My Guru didn't have the IAM technique then :-)). And one of them was this - this simple technique of watching your incoming breath and then outgoing breath. Incoming - life, creation - outgoing - the end death. It was fun doing the technique because you enter a stillness with the outgoing breath. So good luck !!! Love, Ravi On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Denise Evans wrote: >Ravi, I was actually talking about Buddhism as there is a large body of >information targeting the ignorant masses looking for a different spiritual >practice. It has been dumbed down and I'm not clear that benefit could not be >gained by cherry-picking some of the techniques, regardless of whether one >delves more deeply into the complexities of "Buddhism." > > >It's free and seems more above-board in this respect. I disagree that people >don't appreciate things they receive for free and the commitment comes from >inside, in all regards. > > >I just keep believing that it doesn't matter so much what tradition is >followed if one's intention and practice serve to meet one's personal needs. >For me, for example, if I just simply sit and breathe for 30 minutes and focus >on my breath, which is the simplest of things to do, I start to calm down. If >that is all I ever manage, it may not get me to an altered state or "higher" >level of consciousness, but it might improve the quality of my life still. > > >I do agree that there is likely more to be gained from more in-depth study and >participation in a spiritual practice of one's choosing. > > >I bought an Macbook Pro and paid extra for the hand-holding contract piece, >but I don't find that I feel particularly special, just poorer. > > > >____________ >From: Ravi Yogi >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:38 PM >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by >Walter Isaacson > > > >Hmm..Denise I'm confused - you must be referring to TM while I was talking >about Buddhism. > > >As far as I can see, there is value in TM charging money - one people never >appreciate anything they receive for free, secondly they put more effort since >they have paid it and thirdly it makes them feel special, much like buying an >Apple product which is very helpful in initial stages. > > > >On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Denise Evans wrote: > > > >> >> >> >>"Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who >>have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination" >> >> >> >>I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in >>fullyI think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques >>that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. >> >> >> >> >>From: Ravi Yogi >>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >>Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by >>Walter Isaacson >> >> >> >>On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "seventhray1" wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >>>I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly >>>whatever Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. >>>But I liked Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond >>>directly to something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. >>>One thing to point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to do >>>constantly. It was one of his defining characteristics. >>>Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ul
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
Dear Denise, No problem I appreciate your views and sure - it doesn't work for everyone. But you know what, like you said there's definitely lot to others to choose from. Pre-awakening in the depths of misery I tried everything I could lay hand on. ( My Guru didn't have the IAM technique then :-)). And one of them was this - this simple technique of watching your incoming breath and then outgoing breath. Incoming - life, creation - outgoing - the end death. It was fun doing the technique because you enter a stillness with the outgoing breath. So good luck !!! Love, Ravi On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Denise Evans wrote: > Ravi, I was actually talking about Buddhism as there is a large body of > information targeting the ignorant masses looking for a different spiritual > practice. It has been dumbed down and I'm not clear that benefit could not > be gained by cherry-picking some of the techniques, regardless of whether one > delves more deeply into the complexities of "Buddhism." > > It's free and seems more above-board in this respect. I disagree that people > don't appreciate things they receive for free and the commitment comes from > inside, in all regards. > > I just keep believing that it doesn't matter so much what tradition is > followed if one's intention and practice serve to meet one's personal needs. > For me, for example, if I just simply sit and breathe for 30 minutes and > focus on my breath, which is the simplest of things to do, I start to calm > down. If that is all I ever manage, it may not get me to an altered state or > "higher" level of consciousness, but it might improve the quality of my life > still. > > I do agree that there is likely more to be gained from more in-depth study > and participation in a spiritual practice of one's choosing. > > I bought an Macbook Pro and paid extra for the hand-holding contract piece, > but I don't find that I feel particularly special, just poorer. > > From: Ravi Yogi > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:38 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by > Walter Isaacson > > > Hmm..Denise I'm confused - you must be referring to TM while I was talking > about Buddhism. > > As far as I can see, there is value in TM charging money - one people never > appreciate anything they receive for free, secondly they put more effort > since they have paid it and thirdly it makes them feel special, much like > buying an Apple product which is very helpful in initial stages. > > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Denise Evans wrote: > >> >> >> >> "Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who >> have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination" >> >> I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in >> fully....I think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques >> that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. >> >> From: Ravi Yogi >> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs >> by Walter Isaacson >> >> >> On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "seventhray1" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly >>> whatever Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. >>> But I liked Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond >>> directly to something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. >>> One thing to point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to >>> do constantly. It was one of his defining characteristics. >>> Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ultimately a >>> mirage, and that the true reality is one of unity? >> >> You know I'm not the one to have dry intellectual discussions. Words don't >> mean anything but yes its unity and Unity doesn't exclude duality. In fact >> one in Unity is engaged with duality with much more fervor and intensity >> than one who has not, hence Lord Krishna is treated as a purna avatar( a >> complete or a perfect manifestation of Unity). >> >> Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who >> have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination, say someone >> like Judy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
Ravi, I was actually talking about Buddhism as there is a large body of information targeting the ignorant masses looking for a different spiritual practice. It has been dumbed down and I'm not clear that benefit could not be gained by cherry-picking some of the techniques, regardless of whether one delves more deeply into the complexities of "Buddhism." It's free and seems more above-board in this respect. I disagree that people don't appreciate things they receive for free and the commitment comes from inside, in all regards. I just keep believing that it doesn't matter so much what tradition is followed if one's intention and practice serve to meet one's personal needs. For me, for example, if I just simply sit and breathe for 30 minutes and focus on my breath, which is the simplest of things to do, I start to calm down. If that is all I ever manage, it may not get me to an altered state or "higher" level of consciousness, but it might improve the quality of my life still. I do agree that there is likely more to be gained from more in-depth study and participation in a spiritual practice of one's choosing. I bought an Macbook Pro and paid extra for the hand-holding contract piece, but I don't find that I feel particularly special, just poorer. From: Ravi Yogi To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Hmm..Denise I'm confused - you must be referring to TM while I was talking about Buddhism. As far as I can see, there is value in TM charging money - one people never appreciate anything they receive for free, secondly they put more effort since they have paid it and thirdly it makes them feel special, much like buying an Apple product which is very helpful in initial stages. On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Denise Evans wrote: > > > >"Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who >have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination" > > > >I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in >fullyI think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques >that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. > > > >____________ >From: Ravi Yogi >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by >Walter Isaacson > > > >On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "seventhray1" wrote: > > > > >> >>I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly >>whatever Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. >>But I liked Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond >>directly to something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. >>One thing to point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to do >>constantly. It was one of his defining characteristics. >>Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ultimately a >>mirage, and that the true reality is one of unity? > >You know I'm not the one to have dry intellectual discussions. Words don't >mean anything but yes its unity and Unity doesn't exclude duality. In fact one >in Unity is engaged with duality with much more fervor and intensity than one >who has not, hence Lord Krishna is treated as a purna avatar( a complete or a >perfect manifestation of Unity). > > >Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who >have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination, say someone like >Judy. Buddhism, unfortunately has become a great refuge of all the mentally >masturbating, Western intellectuals because it gives a great satisfaction to >the ego and nothing but pseudo spirituality. > > >God I'm itching to talk, I'm really going to go after these idiots..:-) > >Or does he need follow some dialogue protocal before we can comment on that? > > >Sure there is no protocol but like Judy said he is being totally obnoxious, he >should start a separate thread and may be add a paragraph referencing his >opinions on people calling Vaj a liar. > > > > > > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi wrote: >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> Judy is spot on - say you are an enlightened man and are confronting your >>> child for lying and in walks a retarded tartbrain who says - hey you >>> enlightened man, yo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Denise Evans wrote: > > "I've often found myself in similar positions where people are unwilling to > state the obvious, and I end up being the one left to clear the air. On one > Board of Directors I was on, my seat in the boardroom was such that when we > went thru all the directors in sequence I was always the last person to talk. > Each of the other directors would skirt and him-haw on an important issue, > and being the last person to talk, I'd be the one who ended up having to lay > down the law. So for whatever reason, I often end up being dragged into these > types of situations." > > I was also invited to meetings, at times,in order to "say what no one else > would" It's a weird position to be placed in, as I'm usually quite content to simply stand quietly at the sidelines. Ten years ago I was told I would replace so-and-so on yet another BoD, but that I'd have to join the Rotary Club and attend regularly in order to "get to know the Board". That made it much easier, as I simply did not join the (rather bizarre but fun) Rotary. Problem solved. But I still get set up occasionally.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
Hmm..Denise I'm confused - you must be referring to TM while I was talking about Buddhism. As far as I can see, there is value in TM charging money - one people never appreciate anything they receive for free, secondly they put more effort since they have paid it and thirdly it makes them feel special, much like buying an Apple product which is very helpful in initial stages. On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Denise Evans wrote: > > > "Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who > have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination" > > I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in > fullyI think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques > that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. > > From: Ravi Yogi > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by > Walter Isaacson > > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "seventhray1" wrote: > >> >> >> I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly >> whatever Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. >> But I liked Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond >> directly to something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. >> One thing to point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to do >> constantly. It was one of his defining characteristics. >> Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ultimately a >> mirage, and that the true reality is one of unity? > > You know I'm not the one to have dry intellectual discussions. Words don't > mean anything but yes its unity and Unity doesn't exclude duality. In fact > one in Unity is engaged with duality with much more fervor and intensity than > one who has not, hence Lord Krishna is treated as a purna avatar( a complete > or a perfect manifestation of Unity). > > Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who > have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination, say someone > like Judy. Buddhism, unfortunately has become a great refuge of all the > mentally masturbating, Western intellectuals because it gives a great > satisfaction to the ego and nothing but pseudo spirituality. > > God I'm itching to talk, I'm really going to go after these idiots..:-) >> Or does he need follow some dialogue protocal before we can comment on that? > > Sure there is no protocol but like Judy said he is being totally obnoxious, > he should start a separate thread and may be add a paragraph referencing his > opinions on people calling Vaj a liar. > > > >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi wrote: >> > >> > Steve, >> > >> > Judy is spot on - say you are an enlightened man and are confronting your >> > child for lying and in walks a retarded tartbrain who says - hey you >> > enlightened man, you shouldn't be confronting your child for lying because >> > it's all love bliss, I bet you will smack tartbrain so hard that his >> > intellectually aroused head will start fitting in his hat for a few days >> > at least. >> > >> > >> > On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:21 PM, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@... wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: >> > > > >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes >> > > > > > a truth. Bless his "Buddhist" heart. >> > > > > >> > > > > That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation >> > > > > over and over again, over so many years. One day we wake up >> > > > > laughing, no longer seeing the lie. The lie is the pathway to >> > > > > truth, life is the deepest teacher. We repeatedly bang our >> > > > > head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall banging >> > > > > comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some >> > > > > intense living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from >> > > > > its own lack of foundation. >> > > > >> > > > Non sequitur and whopping category error. >> > > > >> > > > FAIL. >> > > > >> > > Wow, what a different take. I found Tart's statement to be the best of >> > > the week. It describes the path from ignorance to realization. The lie >> > > of seperation, the truth of unity. The lotus came up from the mud, so to >> > > speak. I suppose Vaj will either back up his statement or choose to >> > > ignore the direct contradictory testimony. But I'll take Tart's tagent. >> > > Hey, that'd be a good name for a blog. >> > > >> > > >> > > > >
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"Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination" I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in fullyI think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. From: Ravi Yogi To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "seventhray1" wrote: > >I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly whatever >Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. But I liked >Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond directly to >something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. One thing to >point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to do constantly. >It was one of his defining characteristics. >Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ultimately a >mirage, and that the true reality is one of unity? You know I'm not the one to have dry intellectual discussions. Words don't mean anything but yes its unity and Unity doesn't exclude duality. In fact one in Unity is engaged with duality with much more fervor and intensity than one who has not, hence Lord Krishna is treated as a purna avatar( a complete or a perfect manifestation of Unity). Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination, say someone like Judy. Buddhism, unfortunately has become a great refuge of all the mentally masturbating, Western intellectuals because it gives a great satisfaction to the ego and nothing but pseudo spirituality. God I'm itching to talk, I'm really going to go after these idiots..:-) Or does he need follow some dialogue protocal before we can comment on that? Sure there is no protocol but like Judy said he is being totally obnoxious, he should start a separate thread and may be add a paragraph referencing his opinions on people calling Vaj a liar. >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi wrote: >> >> Steve, >> >> Judy is spot on - say you are an enlightened man and are confronting your >> child for lying and in walks a retarded tartbrain who says - hey you >> enlightened man, you shouldn't be confronting your child for lying because >> it's all love bliss, I bet you will smack tartbrain so hard that his >> intellectually aroused head will start fitting in his hat for a few days at >> least. >> >> >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:21 PM, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@... wrote: >> >> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: >> > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: >> > > > >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes >> > > > > a truth. Bless his "Buddhist" heart. >> > > > >> > > > That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation >> > > > over and over again, over so many years. One day we wake up >> > > > laughing, no longer seeing the lie. The lie is the pathway to >> > > > truth, life is the deepest teacher. We repeatedly bang our >> > > > head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall banging >> > > > comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some >> > > > intense living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from >> > > > its own lack of foundation. >> > > >> > > Non sequitur and whopping category error. >> > > >> > > FAIL. >> > > >> > Wow, what a different take. I found Tart's statement to be the best of the >> > week. It describes the path from ignorance to realization. The lie of >> > seperation, the truth of unity. The lotus came up from the mud, so to >> > speak. I suppose Vaj will either back up his statement or choose to ignore >> > the direct contradictory testimony. But I'll take Tart's tagent. Hey, >> > that'd be a good name for a blog. >> > >> > >> >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
Generally, boards do not engage directors for their independence---that's why we're in the fix we're in. It's a joke that executive officers and boards are working on behalf of shareholders; to management the word "shareholder" is a euphemism for "option holders" (management and boards)---this euphemism provides cover for their pump and dump tactics on behalf of option holders, a.k.a. increasing shareholder value. The *money* they pocket come from the extremely dumb managers of pension and mutual funds. Be American---invest in yourself; either by starting a business (the only place real employment is created) or getting more training. Steve knows. Inviting Jiminey to a board meeting is another issue; it would go in the ledger under "entertainment"---which is another way management screw shareholders, with excessive entertainment expenses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=EbRU0t-KYo8 From: Denise Evans To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 12:35:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson "I've often found myself in similar positions where people are unwilling to state the obvious, and I end up being the one left to clear the air. On one Board of Directors I was on, my seat in the boardroom was such that when we went thru all the directors in sequence I was always the last person to talk. Each of the other directors would skirt and him-haw on an important issue, and being the last person to talk, I'd be the one who ended up having to lay down the law. So for whatever reason, I often end up being dragged into these types of situations." I was also invited to meetings, at times,in order to "say what no one else would" From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:47 PM, seventhray1 wrote: My experience with Vaj, is that when pressed, he backs up his claims. I hope he will do so here. I have seen him refuse to provide any kind of evidence about his participation with TM with others, but when I asked him to back up some of his claims about MMY, he has done so. But here, we have an actual first person discrepency. I hope he will bring some clarity to the situation. There's little clarity to bring beyond what I've said. Around 1985 when RWC Carlsen was in Wash DC I was asked to accompany a friend and my uncle. Their intention was to confront RWC about some issues they had and wanted closure on. I had been asked to come along because they feared RWC might try some metaphysical wiggling and I was brought along to assure that didn't happen. Now it's important to point out one thing, we were NOT there to do a RWC-style confrontation. Part and parcel of RWC's spiel at that time was a seminar loosely based on MMY lectures where students were allowed to "come to the mike." But in this case, no MMY, just RWC in a chair on an actors stage, posing as Mr. Enlightened B. Sattva. He would enter into a process, a cosmic drama if you will, called "confrontation". In confrontation RWC used his skills, often on susceptible TMers, sidhas or MIU students, to expose and oppose the Demonic within that individual. Supposedly RWC could actually see these beings superimposed on certain individuals. So on the stage, with RWC as enlightened director of the age of enlightenment, a struggle would unfold betwixt the forces of Creative Intelligence and anti-Creative Intelligence, whereby it was RWC's job to allow the person to break free long enough to begin a positive path of new reintegration and evolution. This process was called "separation". The reason I bring this up is because when I say we went to DC to confront RWC, this is NOT what I mean by confrontation. I'm merely referring to a possible argument between two parties, regarding opposing ideals. So in any event RWC refused to read the jyotish chart one of us had done. So at some point where his resistance had the conversation stalled and he was playing like we were beating up on him, I used that "in" to shift the conversation and the chain of questioning in another direction till a certain outcome was visible to me and my two friends. Robin never even knew what happened. We adjourned to the parking lot and celebrated with a meal at the Bombay Palace, and the whole thing happily dropped away. The important thing to understand is the "play", for us, was to shift perception so a fundamental insight could be gained. I wasn't something that required RWC to respond in a certain way or change in any wa
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On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "seventhray1" wrote: > > I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly > whatever Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. > But I liked Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond > directly to something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. > One thing to point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to do > constantly. It was one of his defining characteristics. > > Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ultimately a > mirage, and that the true reality is one of unity? > You know I'm not the one to have dry intellectual discussions. Words don't mean anything but yes its unity and Unity doesn't exclude duality. In fact one in Unity is engaged with duality with much more fervor and intensity than one who has not, hence Lord Krishna is treated as a purna avatar( a complete or a perfect manifestation of Unity). Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination, say someone like Judy. Buddhism, unfortunately has become a great refuge of all the mentally masturbating, Western intellectuals because it gives a great satisfaction to the ego and nothing but pseudo spirituality. God I'm itching to talk, I'm really going to go after these idiots..:-) > Or does he need follow some dialogue protocal before we can comment on that? > Sure there is no protocol but like Judy said he is being totally obnoxious, he should start a separate thread and may be add a paragraph referencing his opinions on people calling Vaj a liar. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > Judy is spot on - say you are an enlightened man and are confronting your > > child for lying and in walks a retarded tartbrain who says - hey you > > enlightened man, you shouldn't be confronting your child for lying because > > it's all love bliss, I bet you will smack tartbrain so hard that his > > intellectually aroused head will start fitting in his hat for a few days at > > least. > > > > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:21 PM, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@... wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes > > > > > > a truth. Bless his "Buddhist" heart. > > > > > > > > > > That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation > > > > > over and over again, over so many years. One day we wake up > > > > > laughing, no longer seeing the lie. The lie is the pathway to > > > > > truth, life is the deepest teacher. We repeatedly bang our > > > > > head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall banging > > > > > comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some > > > > > intense living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from > > > > > its own lack of foundation. > > > > > > > > Non sequitur and whopping category error. > > > > > > > > FAIL. > > > > > > > Wow, what a different take. I found Tart's statement to be the best of > > > the week. It describes the path from ignorance to realization. The lie of > > > seperation, the truth of unity. The lotus came up from the mud, so to > > > speak. I suppose Vaj will either back up his statement or choose to > > > ignore the direct contradictory testimony. But I'll take Tart's tagent. > > > Hey, that'd be a good name for a blog. > > > > > > > > > >
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"I've often found myself in similar positions where people are unwilling to state the obvious, and I end up being the one left to clear the air. On one Board of Directors I was on, my seat in the boardroom was such that when we went thru all the directors in sequence I was always the last person to talk. Each of the other directors would skirt and him-haw on an important issue, and being the last person to talk, I'd be the one who ended up having to lay down the law. So for whatever reason, I often end up being dragged into these types of situations." I was also invited to meetings, at times,in order to "say what no one else would" From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:47 PM, seventhray1 wrote: My experience with Vaj, is that when pressed, he backs up his claims. I hope he will do so here. I have seen him refuse to provide any kind of evidence about his participation with TM with others, but when I asked him to back up some of his claims about MMY, he has done so. But here, we have an actual first person discrepency. I hope he will bring some clarity to the situation. There's little clarity to bring beyond what I've said. Around 1985 when RWC Carlsen was in Wash DC I was asked to accompany a friend and my uncle. Their intention was to confront RWC about some issues they had and wanted closure on. I had been asked to come along because they feared RWC might try some metaphysical wiggling and I was brought along to assure that didn't happen. Now it's important to point out one thing, we were NOT there to do a RWC-style confrontation. Part and parcel of RWC's spiel at that time was a seminar loosely based on MMY lectures where students were allowed to "come to the mike." But in this case, no MMY, just RWC in a chair on an actors stage, posing as Mr. Enlightened B. Sattva. He would enter into a process, a cosmic drama if you will, called "confrontation". In confrontation RWC used his skills, often on susceptible TMers, sidhas or MIU students, to expose and oppose the Demonic within that individual. Supposedly RWC could actually see these beings superimposed on certain individuals. So on the stage, with RWC as enlightened director of the age of enlightenment, a struggle would unfold betwixt the forces of Creative Intelligence and anti-Creative Intelligence, whereby it was RWC's job to allow the person to break free long enough to begin a positive path of new reintegration and evolution. This process was called "separation". The reason I bring this up is because when I say we went to DC to confront RWC, this is NOT what I mean by confrontation. I'm merely referring to a possible argument between two parties, regarding opposing ideals. So in any event RWC refused to read the jyotish chart one of us had done. So at some point where his resistance had the conversation stalled and he was playing like we were beating up on him, I used that "in" to shift the conversation and the chain of questioning in another direction till a certain outcome was visible to me and my two friends. Robin never even knew what happened. We adjourned to the parking lot and celebrated with a meal at the Bombay Palace, and the whole thing happily dropped away. The important thing to understand is the "play", for us, was to shift perception so a fundamental insight could be gained. I wasn't something that required RWC to respond in a certain way or change in any way. I was just a simple process of being able to see things as they really were. We all saw it, agreed and were freed. I guess in a lot of ways, you had to be there and you had to be relatively fluent in the dynamics of his trip. I've often found myself in similar positions where people are unwilling to state the obvious, and I end up being the one left to clear the air. On one Board of Directors I was on, my seat in the boardroom was such that when we went thru all the directors in sequence I was always the last person to talk. Each of the other directors would skirt and him-haw on an important issue, and being the last person to talk, I'd be the one who ended up having to lay down the law. So for whatever reason, I often end up being dragged into these types of situations.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zdNmKsy0gY&feature=related From: Jiminy To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 7:31:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:14 AM, feste37 wrote: This is telling a story by not telling it. Jiminy It's actually telling what part of a story that was never any of your fucking business in the first place.
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On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:08 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > You DID then say something, Vaj? > > What mystery? There *is* no mystery after our exchange of e-mails yesterday > and today. I think that would depend more on the permeability of your ego R. more than anything I had to say. I think you miss, or your defenses prohibit you from seeing, the hilarious irony of an enlightened man who…wasn't. That you heard or experienced no refutation is either a testament to the relative impermeability of your own ego or the fact that no comment was needed. Sometimes silence is the best (and most appropriate) answer.
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On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:34 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > You did not say anything, Val. You remained silent. You're confusing me with the other person who was there. Unfortunately, I'm certain neither of these people want their names blasted over the net, and since I cannot email someone with an email of no_re...@yahoogroups.com, I guess you've chosen to keep it as a mystery. Actually since I was much more familiar with you than either of them, I was asked to come along. I am speaking from very close first hand experience of you. I was (and I guess still am to some extent) very familiar with the WTS "mechanics".
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Agree Judy. I can't help but smile at the audacity of Vaj's deception. The only person he can apparently deceive here is the innocent folks here like Steve, Vaj gives a lot of details without really saying anything. Bless his tortured, tormented and twisted little Buddhist heart. On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:46 AM, "authfriend" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > Ah, I have roused the great man to such an extent that he > > can only splutter an obscenity-laced response that barely > > even makes sense. How are the mighty fallen! > > The interesting thing, reading through this exchange > between Vaj and Robin, is the difference in the degree > of coherence between the two of them. Robin's posts > have been rock-solid consistent and entirely coherent; > Vaj's--even overlooking his (perhaps understandable) > unwillingness to cite specifics--are muddled, vague, > confused, and even self-contradictory. > > Just for one example, in his original 2006 post he said, > referring to his claimed confrontation with Robin: > > "Quite honestly this type of thing is really uncharacteristic > of me, I'm not typically one for barnstorming zen tactics." > > But in his first response to Robin's challenge, he says: > > "Since I still use this technique on the faux-enlightened, I > will not reveal the technique in public." > > In my observation, people who lie tend to become less and > less coherent and more and more likely to fall into > inconsistency and contradiction the more they're challenged. > This is what one would expect, actually, when the reference > point of a particular account is imaginary. Since it has no > anchor in reality, it has a tendency to shift around in the > mind of the liar as he attempts to defend it from various > angles. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:14 AM, feste37 wrote: > > > > > > > This is telling a story by not telling it. > > > > > > It's actually telling what part of a story that was never > > > any of your fucking business in the first place. > >
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On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:14 AM, feste37 wrote: > This is telling a story by not telling it. It's actually telling what part of a story that was never any of your fucking business in the first place.
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:47 PM, seventhray1 wrote: > My experience with Vaj, is that when pressed, he backs up his claims. I > hope he will do so here. I have seen him refuse to provide any kind of > evidence about his participation with TM with others, but when I asked him > to back up some of his claims about MMY, he has done so. But here, we have > an actual first person discrepency. I hope he will bring some clarity to the > situation. There's little clarity to bring beyond what I've said. Around 1985 when RWC Carlsen was in Wash DC I was asked to accompany a friend and my uncle. Their intention was to confront RWC about some issues they had and wanted closure on. I had been asked to come along because they feared RWC might try some metaphysical wiggling and I was brought along to assure that didn't happen. Now it's important to point out one thing, we were NOT there to do a RWC-style confrontation. Part and parcel of RWC's spiel at that time was a seminar loosely based on MMY lectures where students were allowed to "come to the mike." But in this case, no MMY, just RWC in a chair on an actors stage, posing as Mr. Enlightened B. Sattva. He would enter into a process, a cosmic drama if you will, called "confrontation". In confrontation RWC used his skills, often on susceptible TMers, sidhas or MIU students, to expose and oppose the Demonic within that individual. Supposedly RWC could actually see these beings superimposed on certain individuals. So on the stage, with RWC as enlightened director of the age of enlightenment, a struggle would unfold betwixt the forces of Creative Intelligence and anti-Creative Intelligence, whereby it was RWC's job to allow the person to break free long enough to begin a positive path of new reintegration and evolution. This process was called "separation". The reason I bring this up is because when I say we went to DC to confront RWC, this is NOT what I mean by confrontation. I'm merely referring to a possible argument between two parties, regarding opposing ideals. So in any event RWC refused to read the jyotish chart one of us had done. So at some point where his resistance had the conversation stalled and he was playing like we were beating up on him, I used that "in" to shift the conversation and the chain of questioning in another direction till a certain outcome was visible to me and my two friends. Robin never even knew what happened. We adjourned to the parking lot and celebrated with a meal at the Bombay Palace, and the whole thing happily dropped away. The important thing to understand is the "play", for us, was to shift perception so a fundamental insight could be gained. I wasn't something that required RWC to respond in a certain way or change in any way. I was just a simple process of being able to see things as they really were. We all saw it, agreed and were freed. I guess in a lot of ways, you had to be there and you had to be relatively fluent in the dynamics of his trip. I've often found myself in similar positions where people are unwilling to state the obvious, and I end up being the one left to clear the air. On one Board of Directors I was on, my seat in the boardroom was such that when we went thru all the directors in sequence I was always the last person to talk. Each of the other directors would skirt and him-haw on an important issue, and being the last person to talk, I'd be the one who ended up having to lay down the law. So for whatever reason, I often end up being dragged into these types of situations.
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This should be the FFL mantra. When in doubt, heed to the lady.. Judy.. On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:46 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: > Steve, > > Judy is spot on - say you are an enlightened man and are confronting your > child for lying and in walks a retarded tartbrain who says - hey you > enlightened man, you shouldn't be confronting your child for lying because > it's all love bliss, I bet you will smack tartbrain so hard that his > intellectually aroused head will start fitting in his hat for a few days at > least. > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:21 PM, "seventhray1" wrote: > >> >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: >> > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: >> > > >> > > > Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes >> > > > a truth. Bless his "Buddhist" heart. >> > > >> > > That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation >> > > over and over again, over so many years. One day we wake up >> > > laughing, no longer seeing the lie. The lie is the pathway to >> > > truth, life is the deepest teacher. We repeatedly bang our >> > > head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall banging >> > > comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some >> > > intense living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from >> > > its own lack of foundation. >> > >> > Non sequitur and whopping category error. >> > >> > FAIL. >> > >> Wow, what a different take. I found Tart's statement to be the best of the >> week. It describes the path from ignorance to realization. The lie of >> seperation, the truth of unity. The lotus came up from the mud, so to >> speak. I suppose Vaj will either back up his statement or choose to ignore >> the direct contradictory testimony. But I'll take Tart's tagent. Hey, >> that'd be a good name for a blog. >> > >
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Steve, Judy is spot on - say you are an enlightened man and are confronting your child for lying and in walks a retarded tartbrain who says - hey you enlightened man, you shouldn't be confronting your child for lying because it's all love bliss, I bet you will smack tartbrain so hard that his intellectually aroused head will start fitting in his hat for a few days at least. On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:21 PM, "seventhray1" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes > > > > a truth. Bless his "Buddhist" heart. > > > > > > That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation > > > over and over again, over so many years. One day we wake up > > > laughing, no longer seeing the lie. The lie is the pathway to > > > truth, life is the deepest teacher. We repeatedly bang our > > > head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall banging > > > comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some > > > intense living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from > > > its own lack of foundation. > > > > Non sequitur and whopping category error. > > > > FAIL. > > > Wow, what a different take. I found Tart's statement to be the best of the > week. It describes the path from ignorance to realization. The lie of > seperation, the truth of unity. The lotus came up from the mud, so to speak. > I suppose Vaj will either back up his statement or choose to ignore the > direct contradictory testimony. But I'll take Tart's tagent. Hey, that'd be > a good name for a blog. > >
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I have to say I'm laughing out hard reading tartie boy's messages. His mental, Buddhist, pseudo spiritual icon worshipping, love-bliss constructs are fucking hilarious. His pimpish confusion is very understandable, he has very hard time fathoming that a true lover is in a very intimate relationship with the beloved - he will love, hate, indulge with his beloved with much gusto. On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:21 PM, "whynotnow7" wrote: > I think you hit on it. It is a paradox. On the one hand I take full > responsibility for my view of you and your impressions on me. On the other > hand I also give you complete responsibility for yourself, for your view of > me and the impressions I make on you. > > Same with Haj. My aim is not to change anything about him. I am simply > reacting to him in an intuitive way - nothing more, or less. It is a lot > simpler than you are making it out to be, perhaps, although it does remain a > paradox. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > For me the flow was getting lost (in my reading) so I added back some of > > the earlier conversation. If I got the order mixed up, and it changes > > intended meanings, please correct. ">>" donates prior exchanges from each > > of us. > > > > > > >> TB: The intensity of love bliss of being, not this being or that being, > > >> I find precludes casting harsh distinctions. At times your statements do > > >> not compute. But there are any number of things that I don't understand > > >> -- and are not things I seek or need to resolve. Simply more that some > > >> things are left to evaporate into wonder. > > > > >> TB: That is why I asked, paraphrasing, does that blossom to seeing Haj > > >> as yourself, fundamentally, deeply, unshakably? That neither Haj nor > > >> anything else is outside of you, lovebliss permeating? > > > > >> WNN: Yes, I agree that taking full responsibility for my thoughts and > > >> actions is for me and me alone. Beyond that, we are all One - I agree > > >> with this completely, that the stuff that makes up a tartbrain or a > > >> whynotnow7 or a Haj is fundamentally the same - far more the same than > > >> different. > > > > >> WNN: However there is also the paradox of investigating whatever > > >> differences we may find in this Oneness, while never losing sight or > > >> contact with the Oneness. That is what I enjoy, and the only way I can > > >> see to fulfill my obligation to myself as a human being. Sure, We Are > > >> All One, and I enjoy investigating the fractions too. > > > > >> TB: Do you find things to be more of an understanding? Taking > > >> responsibility, agreeing, fulfilling obligations, > > >> investigating/analyzing have the flavor of understandings. > > > > > WNN: Fundamentally? no. I tend to operate fundamentally on my intuition. > > > > TB: Intuition to me is a type of understanding, of something, about > > something. It is not silence, its not love bliss permeating. I am not > > referring to an intuition that there is nothing outside of what you are. It > > is something more fundamental. > > > > > WNN: It is easier on the mind. Otherwise, in the course of daily life, > > > sure, and money helps, like at the supermarket, or doing my job. > > > > > > > > WNN: It seems like you are building a condition > > > > TB: I am not building any conditions, though my words may be crude in > > expressing things. Its a living thing, not an intellectual, model, or > > imperative thing. > > > > > WNN: where a certain intensity of "lovebliss of being" stands outside of > > > "casting harsh distinctions". > > > > TB: Love bliss permeating is cruder than living "nothing is outside of me". > > Your indications are of living the latter state (though perhaps not using > > those words). I assume love bliss is not lost in the ripeness "nothing is > > outside of me". > > > > > WNN: I prefer to think of the distinctions I make as precise at the time. > > > If they are perceived as harsh as well, it is none of my business, beyond > > > my control. What am I supposed to do about that? > > > > TB: "Harshness" does imply intent and that was not my intent to say your > > inner state is harsh at times. I don't know that. Despite fumbling terms, I > > certainly have internally known harshness, in the sense of tightly binding > > up a view of someone or something, packing them or it up into tighter > > boundaries, even while chipping away, diminishing them, separating them out > > as separate, losing heart value, projecting my stuff onto them. So I know > > the types of words, expressions, angles that come from me in that mode. > > (For conciseness, lets call these "Inner A" and "Expressions A"). > > > > TB: Other times, I have known something quite different. Love bliss > > permeating (inside and in everything) is a crude way of expressing that. I > > know what types of words, expressions, feelings, appreciations from me
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This is the most incredible thing I've seen...had no idea. Jiminy looks like an alter ego of Lady Gaga. Tim Robbins is brilliant in this. From: Bob Price To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Robin, I'm not sure Vaj gets your humor, remember he's a proud member of the irony challenged tribe. The visual I get when imagining Vaj is Jiminy Glick; do you get mistaken for Tim Robbins a lot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTEUITd36LQ&feature=related From: maskedzebra To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 2:44:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Carrot juice right after killing the mouse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:16 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj. > > BTW, when you point the finger of demonic confrontation at someone else, > methinks it might be a good idea to look at the three pointing back at you: > > On Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:18 pm maskedzebra 'pined: > > > anyone who > > claims to be enlightened, first of all is not enlightened in the sense that > > the > > universe or reality is getting behind that enlightenment—as it did in the > > case > > of Maharishi, as it did, in the case of myself; and secondly they are making > > themselves weaker as a human being than they otherwise would be were they to > > step out of their so-called enlightenment and become a normal waking state > > person again. Every guest on BatGap fits this description, and Rick's > > association with TM and Maharishi renders him far more subtle, fluent, > > savvy in > > his conversation about things cosmic than anyone of his guests. They are > > all in > > an illusion of one kind of another. > > So are you admitting you lied or were/are the Batgappers actually transparent > to you? >
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;-) From: whynotnow7 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 3:42:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Even better! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIabgPX14R4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM > > How many Scottish ales does it take to.. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > Yes, I agree that taking full responsibility for my thoughts and actions is > > for me and me alone. Beyond that, we are all One - I agree with this > > completely, that the stuff that makes up a tartbrain or a whynotnow7 or a > > Haj is fundamentally the same - far more the same than different. > > > > However there is also the paradox of investigating whatever differences we > > may find in this Oneness, while never losing sight or contact with the > > Oneness. That is what I enjoy, and the only way I can see to fulfill my > > obligation to myself as a human being. Sure, We Are All One, and I enjoy > > investigating the fractions too. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds > > > > > > in sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds > > > > > > me of. > > > > > > > > > > Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to > > > > > seeing Haj within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is > > > > > outside of you? Is that experience lovebliss? > > > > > > > > > > >Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so > > > > > >that he is reduced to playing children's games in the company of > > > > > >adults. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children > > > > > and that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally > > > > > fresh and vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the > > > > > threshold of heaven available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn > > > > > from children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heh - A critical difference > > > > > > Differences have their place. > > > > > > > > > > between being child-like, and childish. I find Vaj as an adult to be a > > > > childish dolt. > > > > > > Seeing momentary distinctions (whether the projections are chidish dolts > > > or Shiva) within oneself, seeing everything as love bliss, is natural and > > > wonderful. > > > > > > > I would never equate my child's innocence and wonder as she grows in > > > > the world with this moron's ignorant blather and deception. Your > > > > mangling of an obvious point seems reactive and meaningless to me. > > > > > > > > As for > > > > everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-fact-within-me, > > > > > > "Perceptions" is a fun way of expressing it. That you find nothing is > > > outside of you is the key. > > > > > > > that and five bucks will get you a cuppa coffee, and sometimes you just > > > > gotta call a dolt a dolt.:-) > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the lovebliss of dolt IS the lovebliss of dolt. A = A. > > > > > >
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From: Tom Pall To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 9:26:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:23 PM, tartbrain wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: >> >> Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in sixty >> year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of. > >Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj >within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of you? Is that >experience lovebliss? > >>Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he is >>reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults. > >Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and that >state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and vibrant, >being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of heaven available >here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children. > > > Speaking of Haj, I urge everyone to read Leon Uris' The Haj. It's the other side's Exodus. I read it on every trip to the Middle East, before it gets confiscated by Customs in the country I'm going to visit. Really fine book. Explains a lot about the current situation and the way Middle Eastern Muslims think. ***Have you attended any public beheadings in Riyadh, do you remember what arm they hold the Koran under? I would have thought reading Uris on anything Islamic would be a bit like attending a lecture on tolerance by a Wahabi Imam.
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Robin, I'm not sure Vaj gets your humor, remember he's a proud member of the irony challenged tribe. The visual I get when imagining Vaj is Jiminy Glick; do you get mistaken for Tim Robbins a lot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTEUITd36LQ&feature=related From: maskedzebra To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 2:44:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Carrot juice right after killing the mouse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:16 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj. > > BTW, when you point the finger of demonic confrontation at someone else, > methinks it might be a good idea to look at the three pointing back at you: > > On Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:18 pm maskedzebra 'pined: > > > anyone who > > claims to be enlightened, first of all is not enlightened in the sense that > > the > > universe or reality is getting behind that enlightenment—as it did in the > > case > > of Maharishi, as it did, in the case of myself; and secondly they are making > > themselves weaker as a human being than they otherwise would be were they to > > step out of their so-called enlightenment and become a normal waking state > > person again. Every guest on BatGap fits this description, and Rick's > > association with TM and Maharishi renders him far more subtle, fluent, > > savvy in > > his conversation about things cosmic than anyone of his guests. They are > > all in > > an illusion of one kind of another. > > So are you admitting you lied or were/are the Batgappers actually transparent > to you? >
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:16 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj. BTW, when you point the finger of demonic confrontation at someone else, methinks it might be a good idea to look at the three pointing back at you: On Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:18 pm maskedzebra 'pined: > anyone who > claims to be enlightened, first of all is not enlightened in the sense that > the > universe or reality is getting behind that enlightenment—as it did in the case > of Maharishi, as it did, in the case of myself; and secondly they are making > themselves weaker as a human being than they otherwise would be were they to > step out of their so-called enlightenment and become a normal waking state > person again. Every guest on BatGap fits this description, and Rick's > association with TM and Maharishi renders him far more subtle, fluent, savvy > in > his conversation about things cosmic than anyone of his guests. They are all > in > an illusion of one kind of another. So are you admitting you lied or were/are the Batgappers actually transparent to you?
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > The issue is very simple: you lied about that episode. You lied consciously > and cunningly.. There is not a single thing you said (in that original post > of yours that Judy posted here last night) that bears any correspondence to > the truth. VAJ: WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? You are making a spectacle of > yourself. Fly here through your Buddhism—I am at Starbucks at Bloor and > Bedford—and we can talk. But if you can't levitate yourself all the way to > Toronto, then you also can't keep insisting there is a particle truth in what > you say about me. I wouldn't get so worked up about it R. What I said was true to those who were present and knew what was going down. If I had a magic wand that could have changed the past, I'd leave it just the way it was. Verification, discrimination and recognition can be very context dependent. In the aforementioned case you're lamenting so much about, over the spilled milk of decades gone by, that context has come and gone. It need not be repeated. We've all moved on. You should too. > There is a difference, there really is, Vaj, between what we imagine in our > minds to be true (if only it was) and what goes down in reality. You have > thought to make of your desires the equivalent of having been realized in > actual space-time-causation; whereas those desires and fantasies remain only > true in your imagination. You know this. You habitually succumb to this > Walter Mittyism-Pinocchioism. I suppose, having read these most recent posts > of yourself, you have no control over this. This is a pity. > > Now if you ever said anything to me by way of showing me I was not seeing > reality as clearly as you were—and you acted upon this decisively—then you > should possess the legacy of this event such as to confront me here, now in > all that I say. It's all old news for me I'm afraid. That time has long passed. I'm sorry it's still lamentable for you, but I've moved on. > > I don't sense your methodology of revealing the truth of me working for you. > Your technique is powerless, and it is ridiculous. It has never influenced > anything or anyone inside the universe and you know it. Spontaneous koans are, as I've already said, quite contextual. It's clear you need to hear what it was I did that night, and there's nothing I'm going to say - indeed in order to do I'd have to reformulate my mindset of 1985 (or whenever it was) and hope I was conveying something still worth hearing - to ears capable of hearing. In your case i already know they'd fall on death ears. It would seem that asuriac gurus beget similar asuriac qualities, even if they're not direct carbon copies. You have a very big ego. Still. > I'll be sitting right by the front entrance—and I will be remaining here for > only the next five minutes. So be quick. Hot chocolate's on me. > > And then we can discuss your Buddhism in earnest. Certain things are better lived than talked about.
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:16 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > Vaj: Suffice to say, in the case of RWC, he was always, from the beginning, > quite transparent to me. > > RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj. That's not true. It all depends on circumstances and the experience of the individual. And of course we're talking about a relative transparency, not an absolute one. I am not claiming to be omnicient. I'm merely pointing out, I saw through the game even though you still have not. That would probably take years of intense and willing work on your behalf. Why some people are more transparent to others is probably too complex to explain. You either are or you are not. We "read" some people, we can't read others. At your stage of life it's unlikely that you will change, but will instead transfer your unresolved issues onto an heretical formulation of Roman Catholicism. Frankly I'm surprised you haven't started your own denomination. But I wish you the best and hope your able to water the root of your many likable qualities. > But I will leave it to Curtis to explain you—as he has done in the past, and > for which, mysteriously, you never thanked him, even acknowledging what he > had written on your behalf. You are trying to gain an audience by impugning > any notion of your own honesty and integrity, and I do not understand this. I'm sorry I don't know what you're referring to here. I have thanked him in the past, but it may help you to understand that I actually read very few of the posts here. Much less ones that are overly self-cherishing, narcissistic or drhma charged. Having 'been there, done that' I probably am least interested in reading long, drawn out dramas of yours. If I missed those posts more recently, my thanks to Dear Curtis.
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > Look, the whole thing is ludicrous, Vaj. Ironically, as it turns out, *I did > in fact need to be confronted*; however that confrontation was executed by my > best friend, whose motives were pure, whose knowledge of me was > comprehensive, and whose inspiration was indefectible. Like I said, please feel free to contact me. I'm sure G. would be glad to talk to you about it. But it's a mistake to believe I would enter into the egocentric play of demonic confrontation with you. It's an ego phenomenon as far as I'm concerned, and thus never an approach I would take. My approach was much more subtle. Demonic confrontation probably worked on folks who were highly hypnotically suggestible and who bought into and/or surrendered to Maheshism and it's mythos. By that era, I knew much better. As you already pointed out we not only knew that Swami Brahmananda had been poisoned: we knew that Mahesh was a leading suspect. And of course we also knew about Judith and her affair (and others). Mahesh's status as an asuriac guru was already an established one. It just took the rest of the world a bit longer to catch up. As the true story is aired to the collective consciousness of America this weekend, the gig is finally up. So who was this who confronted you? FF? > If you can provide any witness who will go towards establishing even a > scintilla of evidence for what you claimed in the post that Judy has made > available to me, I shall put myself permanently in Coventry, and ask for your > forgiveness. The only thing that happened in that encounter was my dogged and > fanatical refusal to submit myself to the context of the astrological reading > of myself, drawn up by one of Maharishi's Indian confederates—a prestigious > astrologer. Because I considered the idea of the stars having anything to do > with my free will the insidious subversion of my Catholic soul. On reflection I believe that may have been a reading by Chakrapani Uhlal that was done using your birth data. I do not have your birth data in my files.
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:23 PM, tartbrain wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in > sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of. > > Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj > within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of you? Is > that experience lovebliss? > > >Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he > is reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults. > > Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and > that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and > vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of heaven > available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children. > > > Speaking of Haj, I urge everyone to read Leon Uris' *The Haj*. It's the other side's Exodus. I read it on every trip to the Middle East, before it gets confiscated by Customs in the country I'm going to visit. Really fine book. Explains a lot about the current situation and the way Middle Eastern Muslims think.
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:29 AM, feste37 wrote: > What an obnoxious post. You are saying, in effect, "I can determine who is > enlightened and who isn't, but I'm not going to tell you how." Do you > seriously expect us to believe that? I'm NOT saying that, as I cannot guarantee it would work for everyone. As to whether you or anyone else believes it, it's immaterial. The event was purely intended for those present. Having said that, practicing Dzogchen atiyoga for a sufficient amount a time as to gain certainty in the direct, non-conventional experience of the natural state is the best way I know to gain recognition of it in others, but even that depends on the peculiar mix of obscurations of the people involved. Suffice to say, in the case of RWC, he was always, from the beginning, quite transparent to me.
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:02 AM, maskedzebra wrote: > Again, it is not a matter of being determined that no one shall know that > that I have lost a battle as it were; it is a question of truth, If what Vaj > said happened that day did not happen, then I need to set the record > straight. It did not happen. And this is an extraordinary act of mendacity on > Vaj's part. I'm sorry, not to be mean, but you were totally clueless at the time as to what went down. Gary in particular got a real kick out of what went down, as he couldn't stop laughing. And since he's mentioned it to me several times since then, I know he remembers it. And he still can't stop laughing when he remembers. Suffice to say, your unenlightenment was sufficiently proven for all of us, that evening. Since I still use this technique on the faux-enlightened, I will not reveal the technique in public.
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Robin, I wouldn't stress out because I say it again, based upon his posts here he comes across as the most inauthentic person here, he's just a troll, a liar and a crook - bless his Buddhist heart. The only way he gets his message across is by repeating the same old lies over and over again. That's why I have always referred to him as Vakrabuddhi - the twisted intellect, the one trick parrot, his choking routines of parroted shit. On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:02 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > RESPONSE: Horseshit, all of it. Only one person has ever confronted me, and > he is my best friend. Vaj is playing Walter MItty here; and he has told a big > fib—I would challenge him to provide any testimony that even begins to be > consistent with what he claims here—from the participants at that meeting. > Now I haven't read further than this post at FFL tonight; but I can't help > myself. > > Vaj has got himself into big doo doo here. It is all a lie. A marvellous > fantasy. Not one person from the time I "slipped into Unity" throughout the > ten years when I enacted the role of the enlightened man and wrote all those > silly books, not one person ever "confronted" me. This story of Vaj baffles > me. It's like the gay thing; I wouldn't be ashamed if I was gay; and in this > case, I feel no humiliation or embarrassment to admit that someone took me > down. But no one did (except my best friend much later). And Vaj is having a > huge fantasy here. I wonder he would make a public statement like this when > he knows it is without foundation in fact. Amazing really. He refers to a > Doug K: I trust Doug K. I challenge you, Vaj, to get anyone who was there to > corroborate your outrageous account. > > And I will check out the information that has been posted about me in the > past. > > Again, it is not a matter of being determined that no one shall know that > that I have lost a battle as it were; it is a question of truth, If what Vaj > said happened that day did not happen, then I need to set the record > straight. It did not happen. And this is an extraordinary act of mendacity on > Vaj's part. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra > > wrote: > > > > > You mean you accompanied one of my friends to where I was > > > temporarily staying in DC and they confronted me with my > > > astrological chart, and I refused to read it—since I had > > > converted to Catholicism, and was therefore up to date on > > > what Augustine and Aquinas had said about the limit of the > > > influence of the stars—and therefore wouldn't budge? > > > > This appears to be Vaj's account of what took place, posted > > here back in March 2006 (#89493): > > > > "In the 80's, I was invited by three close friends--an old > > TM teacher, an MIU grad and a Sidha, to confront Robin > > Woodsworth Carlsen who was then living in an apartment in > > Washington DC. It was actually my first time at debunking a > > claim of enlightenment, but when it was all over and done, > > we were all convinced this man was without a doubt, a fraud." > > > > And from a follow-up post (#89713): > > > > "My friends had invited me along simply because they wanted > > me there in case he tried to pull anything. So I really went > > along simply as a friend and really, as an observer. However > > once we were there and started talking to Robin a certain > > feeling started to develop that was unmistakeable. It wasn't > > until the very end, spontaneously, I just did it. Still don't > > think he knew what happened, but for all of us there, it was > > sufficient. Quite honestly this type of thing is really > > uncharacteristic of me, I'm not typically one for barnstorming > > zen tactics. But for my friends it was like being lifted from > > a curse and we all felt better just having a clear perspective > > on Robin Woodsworth Carlsen. > > > > "Honestly I think claims of enlightenment debunk themselves." > > > >
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OMG !! LOL..funny on so many levels - fair to say that Vaj is in a perpetual witch consciousness - spot on Jim !!! On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:52 PM, "whynotnow7" wrote: > Vaj: "Burn Witch! Burn!", as he splashes holy water on Robin. > > Robin: "WTF, dude?! You just got my shirt all wet! Jerk." > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra > > wrote: > > > > > You mean you accompanied one of my friends to where I was > > > temporarily staying in DC and they confronted me with my > > > astrological chart, and I refused to read it—since I had > > > converted to Catholicism, and was therefore up to date on > > > what Augustine and Aquinas had said about the limit of the > > > influence of the stars—and therefore wouldn't budge? > > > > This appears to be Vaj's account of what took place, posted > > here back in March 2006 (#89493): > > > > "In the 80's, I was invited by three close friends--an old > > TM teacher, an MIU grad and a Sidha, to confront Robin > > Woodsworth Carlsen who was then living in an apartment in > > Washington DC. It was actually my first time at debunking a > > claim of enlightenment, but when it was all over and done, > > we were all convinced this man was without a doubt, a fraud." > > > > And from a follow-up post (#89713): > > > > "My friends had invited me along simply because they wanted > > me there in case he tried to pull anything. So I really went > > along simply as a friend and really, as an observer. However > > once we were there and started talking to Robin a certain > > feeling started to develop that was unmistakeable. It wasn't > > until the very end, spontaneously, I just did it. Still don't > > think he knew what happened, but for all of us there, it was > > sufficient. Quite honestly this type of thing is really > > uncharacteristic of me, I'm not typically one for barnstorming > > zen tactics. But for my friends it was like being lifted from > > a curse and we all felt better just having a clear perspective > > on Robin Woodsworth Carlsen. > > > > "Honestly I think claims of enlightenment debunk themselves." > > > >
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On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:48 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: > > > > > You mean you accompanied one of my friends to where I was > > > temporarily staying in DC and they confronted me with my > > > astrological chart, and I refused to read it—since I had > > > converted to Catholicism, and was therefore up to date on > > > what Augustine and Aquinas had said about the limit of the > > > influence of the stars—and therefore wouldn't budge? > > > > authfriend: > > "Honestly I think claims of enlightenment debunk themselves." > > > Subject: Robin Carlsen Article on Islamic Web Site > Author: ColdBluICE > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental > Date: May 31, 2003 > http://tinyurl.com/3cjqs52 "How I got on a terrorist watch list", by WillyTex. Actually it would be quite interesting to the cyberworld I'm sure if RWC would share his background and surprise meeting with Ayatollah Khoemeni. IIRC there was some hint in WTS-era lectures that the Ayatollah was a public person of great demonic potentiality. Of course many would probably share a similar belief even without having met him. His book of life now being stamped and certified tells it's own story. And of course Lao Tzu's dictum that "those who gnow, don't talk" is no huge surprise to those on authentic awakening paths. Who knows what to think of those who fall on inferior paths that only can be ascertained from "above". The awakened, silent, comment not. Or do they?
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On Nov 4, 2011, at 7:05 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:23 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > Wow. You make me pine nostalgically for those days, Vaj. By the way are > > > you implying you ever talked to me directly? > > > > The last time would have been in Washington when Doug K. was your roommate. > > What a great human being to have as a roommate! > > Vaj: > > You mean you accompanied one of my friends to where I was temporarily staying > in DC and they confronted me with my astrological chart, and I refused to > read it—since I had converted to Catholicism, and was therefore up to date on > what Augustine and Aquinas had said about the limit of the influence of the > stars—and therefore wouldn't budge? > > I remember that encounter—you were the stranger that came with my friend > (good guy; from Texas, maybe? owned a truck company—I liked him and his wife: > Gary? He had travelled to India and found out GD had been poisoned. Anyway, > all that happened was that I defended the Catholic doctrine which was against > astrology (we won't go into the reasons here). And I balked at being exposed > to the occult influence of Astrology. > > If you mean Douglas King: great great guy. Really loved him. Would like to > know how he was doing: last time we talked—he came with his wife to visit me > in Toronto in my basement suite: small, cramped—he was trying to get his > teacher's certificate to become an English teacher. No, with Douglas King, it > was all roses and wine—in a certain sense. If you know of Douglas's > whereabouts and can communicate to him, tell him Robin carries memories in > his heart, and I wish him well. > > Nostalgia is right! Whoa, baby. Thanks, Vaj: Will Douglas verify your > credentials? > > Maybe it was you who tried to present my chart to me? That's possible, as I am trained in jyotish and was using the first early jyotish programs around that time. But I do not remember doing your chart, but then I've done so many. I'm not sure what Doug would tell you, it's been so long, but we shared such a similar karma, he was so familiar to me, I'm sure he would. As would Gary, who I'll be visiting this coming spring (he sends his love and friendship). Anything else, of course, please feel free to contact me. It's so funny how this divine comedy works out. Ain't life a hoot?
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On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:23 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > Wow. You make me pine nostalgically for those days, Vaj. By the way are you > implying you ever talked to me directly? The last time would have been in Washington when Doug K. was your roommate. What a great human being to have as a roommate!
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On Nov 4, 2011, at 11:57 AM, maskedzebra wrote: I wil take this as both a compliment and a gentle rebuke. I was actually referring to MMY, but yes, I guess I could see how it could have applied to you one time as well - esp. with the TM Goddess wife, inner family connections high in the movement. You were all set to be the Jack and Jackie of TM camelot - but alas, it was not to be. I remember the people scampering for your darshan - even the darshan of your bathroom at Sunnyside, where we'd do program in the bathroom. Sensitive sidhas paradoxically felt that was where the highest vibes were. Students pilgrimaged to the beach where you were conceived. A group of us even invaded the MIU campus while you shouted to release the grip of the demonic on the unknowing inhabitants. Etc. Fun times.
