Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
--- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the experience of my consciousness reaching to infinity and existing as seperate from me but being seperate from and also the engine for creation at the same time, and it's rather nice I have to say. Ramana Maharishi to hugheshugo: Find out who's having this experience. I'm pretty sure it's me. Ramana M. And who is this me? No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
On Feb 12, 2007, at 4:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if someone might mention this. I have seen it many, many times. With eyes open everything can dissolve into a grey field. Also happened notably when I was invited to a Shiva temple on Shivaratri - when I was pouring milk onto the murthi. I have no idea what your experience was, but in other traditions, seeing or experiencing the color grey (gray?) is associated with having tapped into the astral field, not with any higher state of consciousness. Gray or the experience of grayness is one of the defining characteristics of the lower astral. It can also mean a preponderance of karma from one of the sub-human realms--and a sign to purify that karma. It's definitely a gate you'd want to close off in this lifetime.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
--- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the experience of my consciousness reaching to infinity and existing as seperate from me but being seperate from and also the engine for creation at the same time, and it's rather nice I have to say. Ramana Maharishi to hugheshugo: Find out who's having this experience. No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
On Feb 12, 2007, at 12:31 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As are all of the mantras/advanced techniques. My meditation consists of sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom I hope you use tissues.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
Vaj wrote: On Feb 12, 2007, at 12:31 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As are all of the mantras/advanced techniques. My meditation consists of sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom I hope you use tissues. Of course as you konw Vaj siddhis as well as mantras work on the principles of the physics of sound or known as the science nada yoga. I suppose at a very low level they might effect the DNA. It is just sad that in these discussions there is an ignorance of this important yogic science. To me it is very clear: the mantras resonate with my nervous system and then modify it until it sustains that experience and thus you have mantra siddhi. It is the same law of physics that makes a glass vibrate when it is at a resonant frequency. However the glass does not have the flexibility to adapt to the vibration and if too intense shatters.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
On Feb 12, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course as you konw Vaj siddhis as well as mantras work on the principles of the physics of sound or known as the science nada yoga. I suppose at a very low level they might effect the DNA. It is just sad that in these discussions there is an ignorance of this important yogic science. To me it is very clear: the mantras resonate with my nervous system and then modify it until it sustains that experience and thus you have mantra siddhi. It is the same law of physics that makes a glass vibrate when it is at a resonant frequency. However the glass does not have the flexibility to adapt to the vibration and if too intense shatters. I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the latter, shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end. Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata put into action which remains untainted by ego or I (and therefore remains an expression of natural law).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
Vaj wrote: On Feb 12, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course as you konw Vaj siddhis as well as mantras work on the principles of the physics of sound or known as the science nada yoga. I suppose at a very low level they might effect the DNA. It is just sad that in these discussions there is an ignorance of this important yogic science. To me it is very clear: the mantras resonate with my nervous system and then modify it until it sustains that experience and thus you have mantra siddhi. It is the same law of physics that makes a glass vibrate when it is at a resonant frequency. However the glass does not have the flexibility to adapt to the vibration and if too intense shatters. I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the latter, shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end. Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata put into action which remains untainted by ego or I (and therefore remains an expression of natural law). But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics played out at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2007, at 12:31 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As are all of the mantras/advanced techniques. My meditation consists of sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom I hope you use tissues. You know, I don't really believe that Tom's perception is valid, though of course I might be wrong, but I didn't bother to challenge it because, of course, I couldn't--it is HIS experience, afterall. OTOH, you felt a need to attack it by making some silly little joke. My question is - DNA is a chemical structure found only in biological systems. How can all of creation have DNA? And if you are seeing the DNA are you literally seeing the double-helix structure, as you would under an electron microscope? If necessary, could you identify its components? More on DNA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the latter, shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end. Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata put into action which remains untainted by ego or I (and therefore remains an expression of natural law). But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics played out at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system. Well, I agree and I disagree. Yeah, there is a type of siddhi that relies on sound (mantra) and that mantra effects the subtle body which projects change in the outer. But there are other types and styles of siddhi. For example you can produce siddhi through the use of demons or various spirits or various sacrifices (yagyas), etc. It is interesting, in this same vein, Paul Mason recently posted an article on the Tm-Freedom blog discussing two types of siddhi: one sought by cultivating siddhi (e.g. samyama formulae) and that from devotion to ones ishta-devata. SBS recommended the later and not the former. Siddhi via the ishta is a by-product of union/love/samadhi (although as we both know you can also use karma/action mantras to direct the mantra-siddhi) and is supportive of evolution. Samyama taps the dalas via a non-culminating route, which does not lead to union/bindu. Although it does produce a rather addictive kind of bliss and illusory experiences.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
Vaj wrote: On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the latter, shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end. Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata put into action which remains untainted by ego or I (and therefore remains an expression of natural law). But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics played out at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system. Well, I agree and I disagree. Yeah, there is a type of siddhi that relies on sound (mantra) and that mantra effects the subtle body which projects change in the outer. But there are other types and styles of siddhi. For example you can produce siddhi through the use of demons or various spirits or various sacrifices (yagyas), etc. I don't perform those types of siddhis. Our siddhis are mantra based (so far). We can say though they are in English the TM-Sidhis are sort of a mantra. It is interesting, in this same vein, Paul Mason recently posted an article on the Tm-Freedom blog discussing two types of siddhi: one sought by cultivating siddhi (e.g. samyama formulae) and that from devotion to ones ishta-devata. SBS recommended the later and not the former. Siddhi via the ishta is a by-product of union/love/samadhi (although as we both know you can also use karma/action mantras to direct the mantra-siddhi) and is supportive of evolution. Samyama taps the dalas via a non-culminating route, which does not lead to union/bindu. Although it does produce a rather addictive kind of bliss and illusory experiences. The tantric mantras are much more used as tools for healing and solutions people may need for problems.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
Patrick Gillam wrote: --- Bhairitu wrote: But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics played out at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system. Bhairitu, if I may ask, what results are you getting from your TM-Sidhis practice? I no longer practice the TM-Sidhis but I did get some fairly good results from some of them. The siddhis I am practicing now are tantric.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
On Feb 12, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The tantric mantras are much more used as tools for healing and solutions people may need for problems. I agree completely and for my own practice that's all I use action mantras for: physical or emotional healing, subjugation or pacification.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the latter, shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end. Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata put into action which remains untainted by ego or I (and therefore remains an expression of natural law). But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics played out at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system. Well, I agree and I disagree. Yeah, there is a type of siddhi that relies on sound (mantra) and that mantra effects the subtle body which projects change in the outer. But there are other types and styles of siddhi. For example you can produce siddhi through the use of demons or various spirits or various sacrifices (yagyas), etc. I don't perform those types of siddhis. Our siddhis are mantra based (so far). We can say though they are in English the TM-Sidhis are sort of a mantra. It is interesting, in this same vein, Paul Mason recently posted an article on the Tm-Freedom blog discussing two types of siddhi: one sought by cultivating siddhi (e.g. samyama formulae) and that from devotion to ones ishta-devata. SBS recommended the later and not the former. Siddhi via the ishta is a by-product of union/love/samadhi (although as we both know you can also use karma/action mantras to direct the mantra-siddhi) and is supportive of evolution. Samyama taps the dalas via a non-culminating route, which does not lead to union/bindu. Although it does produce a rather addictive kind of bliss and illusory experiences. The tantric mantras are much more used as tools for healing and solutions people may need for problems. Cool, where do I get some? http://realtantrasolutions.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:54 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice Sparaig writes snipped: I think he was using DNA as a metaphor. In a sense, the Vedas could be seen as the DNA of the universe, and I think that MMY uses that analogy at times: the entire blueprint of nature contained in the ultimate compact form that unfolds itself into all of manifest creation. Tom T: Yes DNA is essentially a vibratory bundle of knowledge. Tom So would it be correct to say that you're not seeing the DNA itself, but tuning in to the fundamental knowledge it represents? In that case, I could see what you mean about the DNA of creation. You're not using the term DNA literally, since most of creation doesn't have any, but as a metaphor for subtle expressions of knowledge. Is that correct?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
On Feb 11, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: One reason I ask is because the question below relates to another question about the connection between pure consciousness and the relative world. The MMY line is that creation arises out of consciousness. I was wondering what sorts of experiences people are having that validate that hypothesis. If that's the experience you're told you should have, then people will eventually begin reporting those experiences.
