Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think this is a Big Spiritual Mistake. I think that anyone's life is really about the raw footage of that life -- the clean parts *and* the messy parts. And I think that this is even more true when dealing with enlightenment. The enlightened *aren't* all squeaky clean. They fart and shit like other people, and as far as I can tell they make messy mistakes like other people. I believe that editing their lives to make it appear as they don't is a disservice to the enlightened themselves, and to people who seek enlightenment and hope to find it in their example. I don't know whether the press conferences in ques- tion are being edited to remove the messy parts, but it is *completely* consistent with TM movement history that they are. I have certainly seen the edits done on other tapes and books over the years. And I'm just rappin' about this because I think it's a mistake, a disservice to the person being edited, and to the seekers who are forced to view an edited version of life. IMO, real life is always better. Just my opinion, Unc Excellent post. When I did video production in Ffld I used to interact on a regular basis with MIU's video production department. On a near regular basis I would see raw MMY footage being edited to remove sections that did not adhere to top administrators' ideal of what MMY should say. Usually international did this but every once in a while MIU video would edit some of these tapes. I also saw them do this on a Triguna tape where the edit completely reversed his intended meaning. The person editing the tape showed me the raw footage and the finished product. He told me that he was directly told by someone in the MIU administration to edit particular parts of the tape. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
on 12/14/05 7:36 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip I think this is a Big Spiritual Mistake. I think that anyone's life is really about the raw footage of that life -- the clean parts *and* the messy parts. And I think that this is even more true when dealing with enlightenment. The enlightened *aren't* all squeaky clean. They fart and shit like other people, and as far as I can tell they make messy mistakes like other people. I believe that editing their lives to make it appear as they don't is a disservice to the enlightened themselves, and to people who seek enlightenment and hope to find it in their example. Your post reminds me of why Oprah Winfrey is such a spiritual person. My wife has been watching her 6-DVD 20th Anniversary special - highlights of her past 20 years. Oprah's heart is wide open. She feels others' pain as her own. And she is brutally honest with herself in front of 20 million people, sometimes appearing without makeup, talking about her weight problems, etc. Very inspiring lady. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:59 AM, authfriend wrote:as well as the teaching'sextraordinary explanatory value. There's a Freudian slip if ever I saw one! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY's personality is very much a product of his time and culture. It has nothing to do with anything cosmic. Blazing Brahman expresses itself through an aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89 year old Hindu man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist for the past 50 years. Boy, I think this is an important point. Peter, would it also be correct to phrase it slightly differently and say, This is *how* Blazing Brahman is expressing itself through this particular aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89-year-old Hindu man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist for the past 50 years? Yes, better stated your way. I mean, obviously one has to think MMY has *realized* Blazing Brahman in order to make either of these two statements. But people tend to look at the *expression*, find it to be much less than what they think of as perfection in a relative sense, and on that basis assume MMY has *not* realized Brahman. Agreed. If you're looking for relative perfection in a realized master, good luck! For example in a residential Art of Living course I took about a year ago with SSRS in residence, I was bothered by his casual manner in talking about funny stories from his ashram and people throwing themselves at his feet. He wasn't making fun of them or anything but was talking about the difficulty in walking around and how much time it took to go from one end of his ashram to another. Very funny, very cute story. But I was amazed at part of my own reaction. I wanted him to be more serious and aloof and not have the reaction he did. Just some silly relative ideal of what a guru should be. My attachment, my problem, not his. Of course whether he has or hasn't is still one's individual take; it's just that the take shouldn't be based, it seems to me, on the perceived distance of the expression from what they would consider relative perfection. The first time I saw MMY in 1972 my mind blew wide open and left absolutely no doubts about his Realized status. And in every ensuing contact with him over the years this has happened over and over again with the experience getting deeper and deeper everytime. So what should it be based on?? I assume realized people and nonrealized people have different ways of evaluating MMY's state of consciousness. Your own direct experience...only! From my unrealized perspective, it's a combination of a gut hunch, and my awe at the depth, comprehensiveness, and internal consistency of his teaching on the nature and mechanics of consciousness (including its implementation in the TM technique), as well as the teaching'sextraordinary explanatory value. Right, you find great value in his teachings. It just doesn't seem possible to me that a person, no matter how brilliant their mind, could come up with such a teaching purely on an intellectual basis. It has to be coming from some basis in higher intuitive knowledge (or Knowledge, to distinguish it from intellectual knowledge). Ageed! Of course, that's still based on a sense of how close MMY's expression comes to my idea of relative perfection, which is what I just said you shouldn't do. I don't think we can ever, to a complete degree, get away from this. In fact, it perhaps is a foolish spiritual ideal. Now I'm trying to figure out on what basis I think evaluating his teaching on the nature and mechanics of consciousness is a more appropriate criterion on which to have an opinion of his realization, versus evaluating the sensibleness of his political and social pronouncements and what he's been doing with the TMO. Help me out here. They're both measuring what MMY expresses against a personal idea of relative perfection. Why should choosing one *type* of expression over another make a difference? Or are both approaches essentially absurd? Obviously I've gone off on something of a tangent here... Yeah, but a good tangent I think, ultimately, the value of a guru/master is in him/her functioning as a catalyst for one's own realization. This is appreciated by people as their experiences with the body of techniques offered, the intellectual knowledge, and the transcendent darshan experiences with the master. The value of our interaction with him has nothing to do with the surface of this relationship. This surface always varies from guru to guru and is quite irrelevent to the transcendent value of the relationship. MMY doesn't give a damn about your personality. It is utterly irrelevent to your Realization. --- Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have received an email relating to a press conference in which MMY allegedly made himself look and sound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic. snip
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--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect, and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master- disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the transcendent. Pure Paradox. Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on the surface at all. It's all sentimentality and ego up there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of Brahman that just PULLS you into it and flattens all the bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva whirling in absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. Ha Tomorrow night meditate under the full moon for a few hours and watch that cosmic dance unfold in your awareness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:01 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:And yet I suspect you'd have to admit that this is a subjective feeling. I spent a lot of time around Maharishi as well, and never felt anything from him that I would attribute to enlightenment, whereas I have with other people. Go figure. I think the bottom line may be that if we could react to everyone we meet (including ourselves) by cutting them the same slack we give to those we consider enlightened, the world might be a better place. :-) In the tradition I practice in, it is considered one of the aspects of the manifestations of staying in the state of unity to be able to see others in their enlightened forms. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin writes; snipped Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect, and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master- disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the transcendent. Pure Paradox. Tom T responds: This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her enlightenment as delightful confusion. Delightful because it was and confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now Not ever. Tom T That's what you don't think! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I said Ayatolla Maharishi , not Ghengis Maharishi! LOL! my point > > being that he sounds more like any other fundamentalist from any > > other religion. Maybe a little more Islamic like with his throw out > > the Christians by force sentiment. But you are right , it's like he > > is calling in air strikes on his own position. Only thing is with > > such speak he only damages his own image, which I suppose could be > > a false image in some peoples eyes. > > The parallels are striking. What is Maharishi Vedic Science but > Maharishi Creation Science--Creation Science with a different mask. But the big question is...do they have Think Draw? :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:08 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:It's odd. If Maharishi's so right-wing how come almost everyone connected with him in the West leans so far left? It's a strange thing. It is. It's just the paradox of Brahman, so stop worrying. And he just has a funny way of showing his compassion. All is well.Is there great difference between a Christian fundie school kid who quotes the bible, talks of the Big Bang and tells about Jesus and a MSAE kid who quotes scientific literature, talks about AGNI and unified field theory to sell you his idea from M.? Both are conditioned dogmas. Call it Pavlov's meditator. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 12/14/05 11:00:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: teaching'sextraordinary explanatory value. There's a Freudian slip if ever I saw one! O caught that one also LOL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On Dec 14, 2005, at 3:46 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, when and where did you meet Brahmananda Saraswati face-to- face? It was when I lived near Washington DC, around March or April 1993. The experience lasted for about three days. Also had other contact with him, but this one lasted the longest. Were you the person who saw him at the rock concert and everyone was hurling? (seriously-- that was reported here once). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On Dec 14, 2005, at 3:55 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:Believe what you want. I have not stated such a thing to convince anybody. On the other hand, I am not going to pretend it was some fantasy, or that I mention this for ego aggrandizement as many would understand it, or keep quiet about it because there are folks out there that desperately need a rational explanation. You've been meditating long enough, deal with it, however you like. Were you able to touch him? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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All valid observations and insights that you need to temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the validity of another's experience. You can only talk about what you experience, not another. And certainly don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY. Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever. Amen. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect, and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master- disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the transcendent. Pure Paradox. Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on the surface at all. It's all sentimentality and ego up there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of Brahman that just PULLS you into it and flattens all the bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva whirling in absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. And yet I suspect you'd have to admit that this is a subjective feeling. A polite way of saying mood making, perhaps? And/ or the inner consolidation/condensation of ones own projections of how the world (and gurus) should be? I mean if one thinks MMY or whoever is IT, THE ONE, won't the mind almost automatically create a sense of that experience when one sees them? Particularly if it is a rare event / (always a) special occasion? Absolutely. The rarer the event is, the more likely it is that the expected experience will occur. Did the skinboys and inner circle types who were around MMY constantly experience him as blazing brahman. Absolutely not. That's why most of them left. Each of us is free to decide whether they were right in their decision to leave or not. Could the need to experience a teacher as blazing brahman justify the umpteen years poured into what now apear, at least in part as trivial and silly projects of his? I think so. There is a strong tendency in all humans to justify what one has dedicated years to. This tendency often keeps people paying lip service to what they have dedicated years to *years* past the time when they no longer feel it deserves their dedication. Most of the people I've ever met who have walked away from a strong involvement with a spiritual tradition have said that they did so several years later than they should have. The realization that they no longer fit predated their ability to accept or act on that realization. Someone once said that the grandeur of the described experience around the teacher is inversely proportional to ones proximity. There *is* a proximity factor at work here. The aura of a teacher is usually stronger in his/her close proximity than it is far away. That is, until and unless one develops an inner connection with the teacher that transcends time and space. At that point, distance no longer matters. But there are a myriad of energies that swirl around a strong spiritual teacher. In my opinion, some of these energies have to do with enlightenment, with eternity itself. Other of the energies have to do with the finite teacher and his or her good points, and his or her lingering samskaras. One of the things that tends to happen when one is in close proximity to a strong teacher is that one is bombarded by both types of energies, and can have a hard time figuring out which is which. Thus people sometimes begin to mistake the strong energy of the lingering samskaras for the strong energy of enlightenment. Just an opinion, but one based on experience... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click
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--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment/Question below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** Besides the next time I see Guru Dev, I'm tattling on youHa Ha **SNIP TO END** Jim, if you don't mind sharing, is there any details regarding your interaction(s) with Guru Dev that you can relate? Thanks, Marek Hi, yes- please see my answer to Vaj's question. Other than that, I've always detested mood making, and just followed the genuine desires of my heart. As I recall my desire began to form when I read in the Gita about God having a personal form, in order for us to be able to focus our devotion more easily on Him. At the time, I really wanted to be devoted to Maharishi, but just couldn't ever get personally jazzed about it. It always felt dry, like trying to fall in love with someone and you just can't. But I sure was attracted to that picture of Brahmananda Saraswati- his facial expression and the look in his eyes. I just really admired that- I thought, yeah, there is a true saint, who can live in the jungle, etc. That is a resolute Being! And it just went from there. Probably driven more from a sense of humility and desperation and surrender, than piety. I wrote a very few notes during that time: January 22, 1993 from communion Guru dev, His Divinity Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, perfect body; to look upon any part of His form instantly leads the mind on an inward march toward the Absolute, using the sense of sight. perfect heart; to be near Him feels like your perfect dad and best friend. perfect mind; to gaze into his eyes is to sit in the lotus, looking out over vast galaxies of stars; a throne upon the universe. PS I got the date wrong earlier, when replying from memory. Very nice experience. I've never felt a strong connection to him. Different dharmas for different karmas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:07 PM, authfriend wrote: Both are conditioned dogmas. Call it Pavlov's meditator. Fundies meditate? They pray (presumably). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
