Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
That's what some pundits are predicting because many people will have to buy new Pee Cees to run it, upgraders will pay close to 300 bucks and many are just tired of the Spyware issues and so on which will surely follow Vista. It's said to be a fairly different UI that many hardcore Wintel people may not tolerate. Also people's experience with iTunes and the iPod will help them also understand that they can easily do just about anything (DVD creation, websites, etc.) with similar ease, all with Apple software that comes on all Macs nowadays.See:http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/c0611/44c11/44c11.asp&guid=8CF5E5CB35CB42E1857F6F42970E2A2COn Oct 14, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: I suspect with the advent of Vista, you'll see huge numbers of people coming back to the Mac OS Vaj, what makes you say this? ^ Just curious. - a happy Macintosh user forced to use Windows at the office __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 14, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Vaj wrote:That's what some pundits are predicting because many people will have to buy new Pee Cees to run it, upgraders will pay close to 300 bucks and many are just tired of the Spyware issues and so on which will surely follow Vista. It's said to be a fairly different UI that many hardcore Wintel people may not tolerate. Also people's experience with iTunes and the iPod will help them also understand that they can easily do just about anything (DVD creation, websites, etc.) with similar ease, all with Apple software that comes on all Macs nowadays.See:http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/c0611/44c11/44c11.asp&guid=8CF5E5CB35CB42E1857F6F42970E2A2Chttp://flaslumn.notlong.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT) on 10/14/06 11:36 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Vaj wrote: That's what some pundits are predicting because many people will have to buy new Pee Cees to run it, upgraders will pay close to 300 bucks and many are just tired of the Spyware issues and so on which will surely follow Vista. It's said to be a fairly different UI that many hardcore Wintel people may not tolerate. Also people's experience with iTunes and the iPod will help them also understand that they can easily do just about anything (DVD creation, websites, etc.) with similar ease, all with Apple software that comes on all Macs nowadays. See: http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/c0611/44c11/44c11.asp&guid=8CF5E5CB35CB42E1857F6F42970E2A2C http://flaslumn.notlong.com Interesting article for me, as I’m considering owing only a PC after 21 years of Mac ownership. I’ve owned both for several years, and I switch back and forth all day long with a KVM switch. But I need a PC because so many SEO software packages run only on the PC, and there are few if any things I do on the Mac which I couldn’t do as well on the PC. An Intel-based Mac would be cool, and I could switch back and forth with that, either by rebooting, with Boot Camp, or without rebooting, with Parallels, but why bother? I could get a lot of PC for the same $$ or less. I have a friend who works at Microsoft who can get me Vista, Office, etc. cheap. I’m open to arguments against this decision. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 14, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 10/14/06 11:36 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Oct 14, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Vaj wrote:That's what some pundits are predicting because many people will have to buy new Pee Cees to run it, upgraders will pay close to 300 bucks and many are just tired of the Spyware issues and so on which will surely follow Vista. It's said to be a fairly different UI that many hardcore Wintel people may not tolerate. Also people's experience with iTunes and the iPod will help them also understand that they can easily do just about anything (DVD creation, websites, etc.) with similar ease, all with Apple software that comes on all Macs nowadays.See:http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/c0611/44c11/44c11.asp&guid=8CF5E5CB35CB42E1857F6F42970E2A2C http://flaslumn.notlong.comInteresting article for me, as I’m considering owing only a PC after 21 years of Mac ownership. I’ve owned both for several years, and I switch back and forth all day long with a KVM switch. But I need a PC because so many SEO software packages run only on the PC, and there are few if any things I do on the Mac which I couldn’t do as well on the PC. An Intel-based Mac would be cool, and I could switch back and forth with that, either by rebooting, with Boot Camp, or without rebooting, with Parallels, but why bother? I could get a lot of PC for the same $$ or less. I have a friend who works at Microsoft who can get me Vista, Office, etc. cheap. I’m open to arguments against this decision.Actually the level of processing power on a Mac compared to say a Dell or other top PC will be the same or cheaper on the Mac. The price argument--along with the "no software on the Mac"--are all out the window (no pun intended), as numerous articles you can find will tell you. What many don't realize is that the BSD-flavor of UNIX that all the Macs run on these days, also runs literally thousands of open source apps that Linux users talk so much about. In fact all recent Mac's also include compilers, which when connected to an internet connection, can download source code, compile and include dependencies, etc. for ready to run apps. It really is amazing what they've been able to do. And also as WINE on the Mac improves (or maybe is included eventually by Apple) this will not only allow you to run Wintel apps, but you will be able to run them without the cursed Windows operating system.Of course if tons of people go over to Apple, hackers will just eventually start writing malware for that platform as well. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 14, 2006, at 8:37 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] and the Windows Sidebar, where it bests Apple, Google and everyone in user-interface design), I'm not familiar with what is meant by "Windows side-bar". Claiming that they beat everyone in user-interface design implies that there is an objective critereon for this. What is the "Windows Sidebar?" http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/foreveryone/sidebar.mspxIt's similar to the Widget layer (F12 key) on 10.4 and up, albeit as a Dock-like sidebar that comes in and out. Instead of "Widgets", they'll call them "Gadgets". It seems some of this bloat is to drive new hardware by necessity. To use this type of system, 2 gigs of RAM will become the norm. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 14, 2006, at 9:33 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 14, 2006, at 8:37 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: [...] and the Windows Sidebar, where it bests Apple, Google and everyone in user-interface design), I'm not familiar with what is meant by "Windows side-bar". Claiming that they beat everyone in user-interface design implies that there is an objective critereon for this. What is the "Windows Sidebar?" http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/foreveryone/sidebar.mspx It's similar to the Widget layer (F12 key) on 10.4 and up, albeit as a Dock-like sidebar that comes in and out. Instead of "Widgets", they'll call them "Gadgets". It seems some of this bloat is to drive new hardware by necessity. To use this type of system, 2 gigs of RAM will become the norm. Saying that beats everyone is marketing hype. There are well-defined areas of user interface design that everyone has to do the same way and last I heard, widgets weren't one of them. An example of a well-defined area is the menu bar at the top of the screen. There are mathematical rules derived from ergonomics-testing that determine how it should behave. I haven't heard of any such rules for something like what is described at that URL. It's a matter of personal taste for that kind of thing. Truly. That's not to ignore that there are numerous features I like in XP that I'd also like to see transferred on OS X. I've used them all. Right now at work I'm using my dual Xenon with an rendering farm (also of Xenons) all running XP Pro and they rock. Heaven forbid someone might think of me as OS xenophobe. An OX.Unbuntu rocks on the new Intels if you like Linux. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT) on 10/14/06 11:11 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sold my soul (if I had one) to Bill a long time ago. Now that PC has great audio and video, I'll never know the joys of the Mac in this life. I can do everything I want cheaper and have never had any of the problems with viruses I hear about with my PCs. Knock on sandalwood baby! It is the software that I ride on, not my operating system. I really couldn't care less what is under Photoshop or Illustrator as long as it runs. I don't doubt that Macs are great though. Once I had shelled out the money for high end software for my PC, my Microsoft dharma was chosen. I don’t know about Microsoft, but Adobe will let you switch from Mac to PC or PC to Mac when you upgrade your software. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: That's not to ignore that there are numerous features I like in XP that I'd also like to see transferred on OS X. Same here. In the end, though, I guess I dislike Windows because it's butt-ugly, and I like Apple because it's so well designed. If I'm going to spend my day looking at something, please let it be attractive. I also like the ability to be able to take a creative idea and turn it in to reality, without the GUI or the available apps getting in my way. It's easy to make a gorgeous website or a DVD, with menus, music and slideshows in less than a half hour. I recently sent my Mom a DVD of summer 2006 and she showed it to my brother in law, a Microsoft network engineer. He said to her "wow, he took a lot of time to do this". In reality it took less than a half hour.I like Eye Candy too, but I'm afraid MS's Vista will take a huge RAM hit in order to do so. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT) on 10/15/06 2:09 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , "Alex Stanley" > > wrote: > > > > Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, and its 2.8GHz P4 > > > is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, > > > everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully > > > capable of running the most bloated of bloatware. > > > > > Exactly. v1.0 is never a good deal. Hey remember 640K max > > RAM for DOS with a 4.77MHz processor speed? > > With two 5 1/4 360K floppy drives and no hard drive? > > I earned my living for two years with wunna dose. Didn't have 640K RAM, either. It was 5-something-- can't remember what, 525 sticks in my mind, but that can't be right, can it? DOS 2, I think. Monochrome monitor, of course. And a 1200-baud modem. Oh, the thrill when I upgraded to a 2400-baud! I started out on a 64K Osborne with a 6” screen. My first Mac had 128K which I spent $700 to upgrade to 1Mb. It had no hard drive, only a 400K floppy on which I had to hold the OS, plus whatever application and files I was working with. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 14, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's what some pundits are predicting because many people will have to buy new Pee Cees to run it, upgraders will pay close to 300 bucks and many are just tired of the Spyware issues and so on which will surely follow Vista. It's said to be a fairly different UI that many hardcore Wintel people may not tolerate. I held out as long as I could before switching from Win2000 to XP, and I'll probably hold out as long as I can before switching to Vista.Indeed. I did the same thing at work. Then last january I upped my entire network with new dual proc Xenons and XP Pro. Now granted I run two proprietary OS's on top of XP, but it holds steady. After all, it's only when Microsoft starts shipping a product that the real beta testing begins, and it usually takes a couple years to weed out the most egregious flaws. Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, and its 2.8GHz P4 is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully capable of running the most bloated of bloatware. The nice thing about that is that even a low-end PC will be able to render video, multi-track music files and 3D raytraced animation quite quickly compared to today. The average person home power user can even rely on lower-end hardware for the average jobs. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" >>> wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" wrote: >>> >>> > Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, and its 2.8GHz P4 > is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, > everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully > capable of running the most bloated of bloatware. > > Exactly. v1.0 is never a good deal. Hey remember 640K max RAM for DOS with a 4.77MHz processor speed? >>> With two 5 1/4 360K floppy drives and no hard drive? >>> >>> I earned my living for two years with wunna dose. >>> >> Didn't have 640K RAM, either. It was 5-something-- >> can't remember what, 525 sticks in my mind, but that >> can't be right, can it? DOS 2, I think. Monochrome >> monitor, of course. >> >> And a 1200-baud modem. Oh, the thrill when I upgraded >> to a 2400-baud! >> > > DOS 2? *Two* floppy drives? 1200 baud? > > You were a latecomer to personal computing. I'd > guess that a few of the folks here beside myself > remember CP/M and 300 baud modems. > > Or even further back, dumb teletype terminals, > with no monitor. It was basically like a typewriter, > communicating with a mainframe somewhere at 300 baud, > printing out both what you typed and what came back > from the host on rolls of paper. > > Oh, the good old days... :-) Terminals at EDS. Before that looking at Don Lancaster's book on building a teletype interface for a TV monitor. As a kid I was interested in electronics, robots, and computers. But computers were too crude to deal with when I was in college. I remember in the 60's my sister-in-law taking a course on wiring the board for the computer system at my brother's company. She moved kicking and screaming to Windows because she had worked so long with command line interfaces. My first computer however was a Vic-20 when they were $88 at K-Mart. I figured it was not much to spend to see if computers were something for me or not. Stayed up all night programming everything in the book and the following week was into machine language then a month or two later got an assembler. BTW, I still have that Vic-20 around here. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 12:59 PM, sparaig wrote:Burroughs B3500 with 640 kilodidgits of core memory. Before that, it was an IBM 360 at school, I think... Yep, remember it well, the ole IBM 360. That's what I learned to program on. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 1:16 PM, sparaig wrote:The eye candy of MacOS X works best with more RAM also, but appears to degrade gracefully if you don't have it. Yeah, but a gig will do IME. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 1:48 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] The nice thing about that is that even a low-end PC will be able to render video, multi-track music files and 3D raytraced animation quite quickly compared to today. The average person home power user can even rely on lower-end hardware for the average jobs.Yeah, but cutting edge computer games will STILL overwhelm the current hardware no matter how fast it gets.Yeah, but I don't play computer games. Well, maybe Pong. But that's about it. I find them strangely addicting. Too strangely addicting.After realizing it was 4:00 am and I still hadn't gotten through the neutral zone with my rescued dilithium crystals on Star Trek for Nintendo, I put it in storage and never used it again.But I know adult males who live to be connected at home to their high-speed lines to play...games. And they usually involve killing. Seems silly to me now. When EverQuest II was first released, they had a special graphics mode you could click. A warning would pop up asking if you really wanted to do that. If you said yes, it would go into a mode that was so detailed that it was drawing about one frame every 120 seconds on my computer which was top-of-the-line at that point. The warning said that there was no existing hardware that could handle the drawing modes they were using in real-time. It was just to give you a glimpse of the current graphics capabilities of the game as they would appear on future hardware. The shadows from multiple light sources, and so on, were quite nice, but they were right: .0085 FPS isn't playable. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
Alex Stanley wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That's what some pundits are predicting because many people will >> have to buy new Pee Cees to run it, upgraders will pay close to >> 300 bucks and many are just tired of the Spyware issues and so >> on which will surely follow Vista. It's said to be a fairly >> different UI that many hardcore Wintel people may not tolerate. >> > > I held out as long as I could before switching from Win2000 to XP, and > I'll probably hold out as long as I can before switching to Vista. > After all, it's only when Microsoft starts shipping a product that the > real beta testing begins, and it usually takes a couple years to weed > out the most egregious flaws. Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, > and its 2.8GHz P4 is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, > everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully capable of > running the most bloated of bloatware. I delayed a few months on XP. Also prior to that part of my work involved beta OS and software tests. I remember the infamous IBM OS/2 betas which we called a "half-OS." :) OTOH, I was involved in the steering committee of the consortium that resulted in DirectX. That included meetings at Microsoft and dealing with Alex St. John. DirectX came from Games PC consortium where the manufacturers didn't want to run into the compatibility problems the sound card companies were experiencing. The VESA group put in a bid to do a layer but we kind poo-poo'ed that since they had already blown their VESA spec. :) What I am concerned about is how much MS will lock out video development in Vista especially being in bed with the movie companies and their damned DRM and DMCA POS. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
new.morning wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" >> wrote: >> > > >>> Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, and its 2.8GHz P4 >>> is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, >>> everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully >>> capable of running the most bloated of bloatware. >>> >>> >> Exactly. v1.0 is never a good deal. Hey remember 640K max >> RAM for DOS with a 4.77MHz processor speed? >> > With two 5 1/4 360K floppy drives and no hard drive? > > I earned my living for two years with wunna dose. > Didn't have 640K RAM, either. It was 5-something-- can't remember what, 525 sticks in my mind, but that can't be right, can it? DOS 2, I think. Monochrome monitor, of course. And a 1200-baud modem. Oh, the thrill when I upgraded to a 2400-baud! >>> DOS 2? *Two* floppy drives? 1200 baud? >>> >>> You were a latecomer to personal computing. I'd >>> guess that a few of the folks here beside myself >>> remember CP/M and 300 baud modems. >>> >>> Or even further back, dumb teletype terminals, >>> with no monitor. It was basically like a typewriter, >>> communicating with a mainframe somewhere at 300 baud, >>> printing out both what you typed and what came back >>> from the host on rolls of paper. >>> >>> Oh, the good old days... :-) >>> >>> >> I do, Barry but I didn't want do date myself. Kaypro or how about an >> Ohio Scientific Challenger... >> >> JohnY >> > > Cammodore 64, bought off the rack at price club. It had a heavy spread > sheet program! If it was Excel then a friend ported it to the C64 when he was at Microsoft. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
Vaj wrote: > > On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: > >> --- Vaj wrote: >>> >>> That's not to ignore that there are numerous features I like in XP >>> that I'd also like to see transferred on OS X. >> >> Same here. In the end, though, I guess I dislike >> Windows because it's butt-ugly, and I like >> Apple because it's so well designed. If I'm going >> to spend my day looking at something, please >> let it be attractive. > > > I also like the ability to be able to take a creative idea and turn it > in to reality, without the GUI or the available apps getting in my > way. It's easy to make a gorgeous website or a DVD, with menus, music > and slideshows in less than a half hour. I recently sent my Mom a DVD > of summer 2006 and she showed it to my brother in law, a Microsoft > network engineer. He said to her "wow, he took a lot of time to do > this". In reality it took less than a half hour. > > I like Eye Candy too, but I'm afraid MS's Vista will take a huge RAM > hit in order to do so. There are plenty of DVD programs for Windows that allow you to quickly put together a DVD. We have a new hump though even with Macs is that HDV MPEG-2 having 4 times the data of mini-DV take quite a while to render. But the clever engineers will soon figure out the shortcuts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
jim_flanegin wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" >> > wrote: > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB >>> > wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" >> > > >> wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" >>> wrote: >>> >> >> Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, and its 2.8GHz P4 is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and > fully > capable of running the most bloated of bloatware. >>> Exactly. v1.0 is never a good deal. Hey remember 640K max >>> RAM for DOS with a 4.77MHz processor speed? >>> >> With two 5 1/4 360K floppy drives and no hard drive? >> >> I earned my living for two years with wunna dose. >> > Didn't have 640K RAM, either. It was 5-something-- > can't remember what, 525 sticks in my mind, but that > can't be right, can it? DOS 2, I think. Monochrome > monitor, of course. > > And a 1200-baud modem. Oh, the thrill when I upgraded > to a 2400-baud! > DOS 2? *Two* floppy drives? 1200 baud? You were a latecomer to personal computing. I'd guess that a few of the folks here beside myself remember CP/M and 300 baud modems. Or even further back, dumb teletype terminals, with no monitor. It was basically like a typewriter, communicating with a mainframe somewhere at 300 baud, printing out both what you typed and what came back from the host on rolls of paper. Oh, the good old days... :-) >>> I do, Barry but I didn't want do date myself. Kaypro or how >>> > about an > >>> Ohio Scientific Challenger... >>> >>> JohnY >>> >> Cammodore 64, bought off the rack at price club. It had a heavy >> > spread > >> sheet program! >> >> > Ah yes, the commodore 64 with the *tape* drive cassettes that would > load apps and games. They had a cool game called mousetrap, used to > play for hours. And had Basic on there too. The Amiga version of MouseTrap actually had the assembler source on the disk. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
Vaj wrote: > > On Oct 14, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> That's what some pundits are predicting because many people will >>> have to buy new Pee Cees to run it, upgraders will pay close to >>> 300 bucks and many are just tired of the Spyware issues and so >>> on which will surely follow Vista. It's said to be a fairly >>> different UI that many hardcore Wintel people may not tolerate. >> >> I held out as long as I could before switching from Win2000 to XP, and >> I'll probably hold out as long as I can before switching to Vista. > > Indeed. I did the same thing at work. Then last january I upped my > entire network with new dual proc Xenons and XP Pro. Now granted I run > two proprietary OS's on top of XP, but it holds steady. > >> After all, it's only when Microsoft starts shipping a product that the >> real beta testing begins, and it usually takes a couple years to weed >> out the most egregious flaws. Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, >> and its 2.8GHz P4 is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, >> everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully capable of >> running the most bloated of bloatware. > > The nice thing about that is that even a low-end PC will be able to > render video, multi-track music files and 3D raytraced animation quite > quickly compared to today. The average person home power user can even > rely on lower-end hardware for the average jobs. I have a lot of fun with iClone which allows you to create animated 3D programs and I make little music videos with friends in them. There are quite a few iClone videos on YouTube. http://www.reallusion.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
jyouells2000 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" >> > > >> wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" >>> wrote: >>> >> >> Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, and its 2.8GHz P4 is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully capable of running the most bloated of bloatware. >>> Exactly. v1.0 is never a good deal. Hey remember 640K max >>> RAM for DOS with a 4.77MHz processor speed? >>> >> With two 5 1/4 360K floppy drives and no hard drive? >> >> I earned my living for two years with wunna dose. >> > Didn't have 640K RAM, either. It was 5-something-- > can't remember what, 525 sticks in my mind, but that > can't be right, can it? DOS 2, I think. Monochrome > monitor, of course. > > And a 1200-baud modem. Oh, the thrill when I upgraded > to a 2400-baud! > DOS 2? *Two* floppy drives? 1200 baud? You were a latecomer to personal computing. I'd guess that a few of the folks here beside myself remember CP/M and 300 baud modems. Or even further back, dumb teletype terminals, with no monitor. It was basically like a typewriter, communicating with a mainframe somewhere at 300 baud, printing out both what you typed and what came back from the host on rolls of paper. Oh, the good old days... :-) >>> I do, Barry but I didn't want do date myself. Kaypro or how about an >>> Ohio Scientific Challenger... >>> >>> JohnY >>> >> Cammodore 64, bought off the rack at price club. It had a heavy spread >> sheet program! >> >> > Sharp Pocket PC with 2k and Basic, Timex Sinclair, Vic 20, Atari 400, > C64, C-Plus4, Amiga 1000, Amiga 2K, Amiga 1200, Amiga 3000, along with > many pc's and a couple of macs I was an Amiga developer. I hated it when I switched to PC and screamed "where are all the registers?" :) I also hated Little Endian addressing (and still do). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
jyouells2000 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" >> > > >> wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" >>> wrote: >>> >> >> Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, and its 2.8GHz P4 is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully capable of running the most bloated of bloatware. >>> Exactly. v1.0 is never a good deal. Hey remember 640K max >>> RAM for DOS with a 4.77MHz processor speed? >>> >> With two 5 1/4 360K floppy drives and no hard drive? >> >> I earned my living for two years with wunna dose. >> > Didn't have 640K RAM, either. It was 5-something-- > can't remember what, 525 sticks in my mind, but that > can't be right, can it? DOS 2, I think. Monochrome > monitor, of course. > > And a 1200-baud modem. Oh, the thrill when I upgraded > to a 2400-baud! > DOS 2? *Two* floppy drives? 1200 baud? You were a latecomer to personal computing. I'd guess that a few of the folks here beside myself remember CP/M and 300 baud modems. Or even further back, dumb teletype terminals, with no monitor. It was basically like a typewriter, communicating with a mainframe somewhere at 300 baud, printing out both what you typed and what came back from the host on rolls of paper. Oh, the good old days... :-) >>> I do, Barry but I didn't want do date myself. Kaypro or how about an >>> Ohio Scientific Challenger... >>> >>> JohnY >>> >> Cammodore 64, bought off the rack at price club. It had a heavy spread >> sheet program! >> >> > Sharp Pocket PC with 2k and Basic, Timex Sinclair, Vic 20, Atari 400, > C64, C-Plus4, Amiga 1000, Amiga 2K, Amiga 1200, Amiga 3000, along with > many pc's and a couple of macs One of the interesting things in my field is that publishers think that us old timers who coded on the early machines are the best to hire for products on the embedded systems like the Pocket PC, Palm, Sony PSP, etc. The "kids" are known for writing bloated code. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:Vaj wrote: On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- Vaj wrote: That's not to ignore that there are numerous features I like in XP that I'd also like to see transferred on OS X. Same here. In the end, though, I guess I dislike Windows because it's butt-ugly, and I like Apple because it's so well designed. If I'm going to spend my day looking at something, please let it be attractive. I also like the ability to be able to take a creative idea and turn it in to reality, without the GUI or the available apps getting in my way. It's easy to make a gorgeous website or a DVD, with menus, music and slideshows in less than a half hour. I recently sent my Mom a DVD of summer 2006 and she showed it to my brother in law, a Microsoft network engineer. He said to her "wow, he took a lot of time to do this". In reality it took less than a half hour. I like Eye Candy too, but I'm afraid MS's Vista will take a huge RAM hit in order to do so. There are plenty of DVD programs for Windows that allow you to quickly put together a DVD. We have a new hump though even with Macs is that HDV MPEG-2 having 4 times the data of mini-DV take quite a while to render. But the clever engineers will soon figure out the shortcuts. Check out the new ad:http://www.apple.com/getamac/And pick "better results". __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
jyouells2000 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> jyouells2000 wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" >>> >>> >>> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > wrote: > > >> Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, and its 2.8GHz P4 >> is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, >> everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully >> capable of running the most bloated of bloatware. >> >> >> > Exactly. v1.0 is never a good deal. Hey remember 640K max > RAM for DOS with a 4.77MHz processor speed? > > With two 5 1/4 360K floppy drives and no hard drive? I earned my living for two years with wunna dose. >>> Didn't have 640K RAM, either. It was 5-something-- >>> can't remember what, 525 sticks in my mind, but that >>> can't be right, can it? DOS 2, I think. Monochrome >>> monitor, of course. >>> >>> And a 1200-baud modem. Oh, the thrill when I upgraded >>> to a 2400-baud! >>> >>> >> DOS 2? *Two* floppy drives? 1200 baud? >> >> You were a latecomer to personal computing. I'd >> guess that a few of the folks here beside myself >> remember CP/M and 300 baud modems. >> >> Or even further back, dumb teletype terminals, >> with no monitor. It was basically like a typewriter, >> communicating with a mainframe somewhere at 300 baud, >> printing out both what you typed and what came back >> from the host on rolls of paper. >> >> Oh, the good old days... :-) >> >> >> > I do, Barry but I didn't want do date myself. Kaypro or how about an > Ohio Scientific Challenger... > > JohnY > > Cammodore 64, bought off the rack at price club. It had a heavy > spread > sheet program! >>> Sharp Pocket PC with 2k and Basic, Timex Sinclair, Vic 20, Atari 400, >>> C64, C-Plus4, Amiga 1000, Amiga 2K, Amiga 1200, Amiga 3000, along >>> > with > >>> many pc's and a couple of macs >>> >> I was an Amiga developer. I hated it when I switched to PC and >> > screamed > >> "where are all the registers?" :) >> >> I also hated Little Endian addressing (and still do). >> >> > > I still have the developer docs on the shelf. Best I ever did was a > program published in Amiga Journal and on the Fred Fish disks. :-) > > JohnY I had some of my stuff on the Fred Fish disks. And I also did some major Amiga titles and went to several developer conferences which were great fun. Some wild and crazy folks worked at Commodore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
jyouells2000 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> new.morning wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" >>> > wrote: > >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" >>> wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" wrote: >>> >>> >>> > Besides, this PC is only 3 years old, and its 2.8GHz P4 > is overkill for what I do. A couple years from now, > everything will be multiple cores up the wazoo and fully > capable of running the most bloated of bloatware. > > > Exactly. v1.0 is never a good deal. Hey remember 640K max RAM for DOS with a 4.77MHz processor speed? >>> With two 5 1/4 360K floppy drives and no hard drive? >>> >>> I earned my living for two years with wunna dose. >>> >>> >> Didn't have 640K RAM, either. It was 5-something-- >> can't remember what, 525 sticks in my mind, but that >> can't be right, can it? DOS 2, I think. Monochrome >> monitor, of course. >> >> And a 1200-baud modem. Oh, the thrill when I upgraded >> to a 2400-baud! >> >> > DOS 2? *Two* floppy drives? 1200 baud? > > You were a latecomer to personal computing. I'd > guess that a few of the folks here beside myself > remember CP/M and 300 baud modems. > > Or even further back, dumb teletype terminals, > with no monitor. It was basically like a typewriter, > communicating with a mainframe somewhere at 300 baud, > printing out both what you typed and what came back > from the host on rolls of paper. > > Oh, the good old days... :-) > > > I do, Barry but I didn't want do date myself. Kaypro or how about an Ohio Scientific Challenger... JohnY >>> Cammodore 64, bought off the rack at price club. It had a heavy spread >>> sheet program! >>> >> If it was Excel then a friend ported it to the C64 when he was at >> > Microsoft. > > > The 2 other players in that market at the time were Multiplan and > SuperCalc, I think, but I can't remember the one on the C64 (not C64 > with the CP/M Z80 cart). What did the Apple II have? > > JohnY It might have been called Multiplan and not Excel. SuperCalc was by another company and very popular. Visacalc was the Apple II product. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
Vaj wrote: > > On Oct 15, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > >> Vaj wrote: >>> >>> On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: >>> --- Vaj wrote: > > That's not to ignore that there are numerous features I like in XP > that I'd also like to see transferred on OS X. Same here. In the end, though, I guess I dislike Windows because it's butt-ugly, and I like Apple because it's so well designed. If I'm going to spend my day looking at something, please let it be attractive. >>> >>> >>> I also like the ability to be able to take a creative idea and turn it >>> in to reality, without the GUI or the available apps getting in my >>> way. It's easy to make a gorgeous website or a DVD, with menus, music >>> and slideshows in less than a half hour. I recently sent my Mom a DVD >>> of summer 2006 and she showed it to my brother in law, a Microsoft >>> network engineer. He said to her "wow, he took a lot of time to do >>> this". In reality it took less than a half hour. >>> >>> I like Eye Candy too, but I'm afraid MS's Vista will take a huge RAM >>> hit in order to do so. >> There are plenty of DVD programs for Windows that allow you to quickly >> put together a DVD. We have a new hump though even with Macs is that >> HDV MPEG-2 having 4 times the data of mini-DV take quite a while to >> render. But the clever engineers will soon figure out the shortcuts. > > > Check out the new ad: > > http://www.apple.com/getamac/ > > And pick "better results". Yup, I've seen this propaganda. At my old job I also dealt with Apple development. I'm not saying Macs are bad but a little over-hyped (sorta like something else we know). And I do have an old Blueberry iMac here gathering dust. I will be probably be picking up a used mini Mac to put port some software to using the Fast Light Toolkit. That's one of the things that bugs me about capitalism is we have all these competing OS's and no common GUI APIs. That's why I like to use cross platform layers like FLTK and wxWidgets. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 5:59 PM, new.morning wrote:But the new Apple Quad (not sure of maketing name) 2 dual core intel procs on a dual slot motherboard sounds intersting. Seen any benchmarks on that. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2014446,00.asp(Note the price listed on this PC mag review is over twice the actual price) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 6:46 PM, Vaj wrote:(Note the price listed on this PC mag review is over twice the actual price)Oops, didn't realize the model reviewed was with 4 gigs of RAM and a honkin' video card... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 7:43 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: Perhaps I am misreading the benchmarks, but it appears that the dual core gateway is killing the quad core apple running in native apple os, and costing twice as much. Seems just like it has been for 20 years. Am I missing somethhng? Those aren't native apps. They're running on a PowerPC emulator called Rossetta. OK which is a better test of what I am interested in anyway. Running Win Aps on a Mac Pro 2x2 to see if there is performance hit for switching to mac pro when running needed win apps The dual core gateway killed the quad core Mac. And you site cost/drive issues, another article slammed apple for its cheap video card in MAC pro -- and the huge apple mark-up for a "real" card. Hmm, any more benefits? http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/features/macproprice/index.php __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Vaj wrote:On Oct 15, 2006, at 7:43 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote:Perhaps I am misreading the benchmarks, but it appears that the dualcore gateway is killing the quad core apple running in native appleos, and costing twice as much. Seems just like it has been for 20years.Am I missing somethhng?Those aren't native apps. They're running on a PowerPC emulatorcalled Rossetta.OK which is a better test of what I am interested in anyway. RunningWin Aps on a Mac Pro 2x2 to see if there is performance hit forswitching to mac pro when running needed win appsThe dual core gateway killed the quad core Mac. And you sitecost/drive issues, another article slammed apple for its cheap videocard in MAC pro -- and the huge apple mark-up for a "real" card. Hmm, any more benefits?http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/features/macproprice/index.phphttp://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/desktop/2006/0809_dt3200.html __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:15 PM, new.morning wrote:OK, thanks. The mac pro is less expensive than a similar Dell. Surprising, I want to study it more. But still, in the benchmarks, other aticle, a two core gateway killed the four core Mac running windows apps. Still not a contest yet.I've not seen that and it sounds incongruous with benchmarks and articles I've read--or you're most likely reading or misinterpeting something. New Mac systems, running XP, run apps as fast or faster than a comparable wintel machine. In Mac OS X, similar operations run faster in Mac OS X in Universal Apps. Non universal apps will take a performance cut.In fact the first article I sent had the following quote:The Mac Pro is a capable video transcoder in Windows XP under Boot Camp: Its Windows Media Encoder score of 4:42 using our standard video test file falls just behind our class leaders, the Falcon NW Mach V (Core 2 Extreme) (4:08) and the Gateway FX510XT (4:22). Keep in mind, however, that the Mac Pro completed this task with one hard drive, while both the Falcon and Gateway used faster dual-drive RAID 0 arrays. The Mac Pro powered through our Photoshop CS2 test in Windows XP in an astounding 26 seconds, our fastest time yet. The current standard for Photoshop CS2 is around 5 minutes for a budget machine (such as the eMachines T3120, which took 4:59), two minutes for a fast mainstream machine (the HP Slimline s7500y, 2:25), and under a minute for the fastest desktops (the Falcon NW Mach V (Core 2 Extreme), 0:29). The Mac Pro is a powerful graphics machine, even in Windows XP. (Because of a lack of comparison numbers, I wasn't able to run the QuickTime encoder test on the Mac Pro using Mac OS X. Thus, the results above are not representative of the system's video-encoding capability under Mac OS X. We hope to be able to run comparison tests to gauge those capabilities in the near future.)In other words, despite only one slower hard drive to read and write from, the Mac was comparable to top of the line PC's and faster in some instances. I bet with a comparable RAID array and HD speed, we'd see these number essentially identical.But understand, these are speeds of a Mac running a foreign operating system. We should naturally expect to see even faster results for OS X native operations.The Mac Pro's CineBench scores were through the roof, at 1,567 in Mac OS X and 1,463 in Microsoft Windows XP. Not surprisingly, these are the highest scores I've seen yet. The Falcon Northwest Mach V (Core 2 Extreme), by contrast, just broke 1,000 points. But this is not the end of the story, since XP is not 64 bit and is not fully tweaked for dual processors. I assume a 64-bit Vista, better optimized for dual core, and dual socket CPUS, running 64 bit software and software optimized for multiple cores, and on a PC with an upcoming Intel or AMD quad core (1x4), will kill even more drastically a similarly confgure Mac running Win Aps. I'll believe it when I see it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:35 PM, new.morning wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> >> On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:15 PM, new.morning wrote: >> >> >> >>> OK, thanks. The mac pro is less expensive than a similar Dell. >>> Surprising, I want to study it more. >>> But still, in the benchmarks, other aticle, a two core gateway >>> killed >>> the four core Mac running windows apps. Still not a contest yet. >>> >>> >> >> I've not seen that and it sounds incongruous with benchmarks and >> articles I've read--or you're most likely reading or misinterpeting >> something. New Mac systems, running XP, run apps as fast or faster >> than a comparable wintel machine. In Mac OS X, similar operations run >> faster in Mac OS X in Universal Apps. Non universal apps will take a >> performance cut. >> >> In fact the first article I sent had the following quote: >> >> > > I am drawing from the first article you sent me. > > The gateway apears to be one dual core right? Thats what I see from > reading the Dell spec page. Am i missing something. It does seem odd > to run a benchmark of a 2-core vs 4 core machine buit that appears to > be wht they did. > > The AMC pro is two dual cores right? > I'm not at home right now, but I do believe one of the PC's was a dual core IIRC. > > So even if the performance is equal, a two core PC is as good as a > 4-core MAC running the came Win aps under windows. That is no contest > then. An equivalent test of a 4 core PC would thusly kill a 4 core MAC > running win apps under windows. > > And in this > http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/macpro.ars/7 > > It shows a bout a 10-20% hit when a MAC pro runs a program under its > OS vs under windows. So presumably, there is some overhead in the > windows "emulator". > A couple of things, first of all, this is NOT emulation. With emulation there is no contest, as emulation is VERY slow. Secondly, in the June edition of Macworld, they test equivalent PC systems running XP Pro with Macs of the same config booted for XP Pro. The results are nearly identical, although some prcoesses in Microsoft Office were slightly faster on the Mac. So the real answer seems to be, that XP on equivalent systems run about the same. Also note these were on the very initial release of Boot Camp and the very first Mac Intel LAPTOPS (not desktops). As an example a 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core Macbook laptop ran Windows Media Encoder at a score of 280, an HP Pavillion 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core scores with a DESKTOP (with probably a faster hard drive) scores at 279 (smaller being better). > > Sowhile I might consider a mac if similarly priced and if it gave > similar peformance for 2x2 MAc against a 2x2 PC, both running windows > apps under windows, that seems far from the current case. > > And as I said, the real questions is a 2x2 comparision of 64 bit, > multi-processor optimized win apps running under Vista. I keep my mind > open, but if the MAC PRO is so far behind now that a single dual core > PC can equal its performance, I have small hopes that it can catch up, > particularly in the 64-bit mutilprocessor optimized software / vista > environment. But I am sure in your True-Believer MAC ways, you will > find some logic to graps to to see MAC as breaking ahead from so far > behind. :) > As I pointed out above, they run the same. Keep in mind on native Mac- intel apps, these will and do run faster than XP in almost all cases. What I am interested in --and really have no data-- is how fast are Windows apps running in WINE?, that is, Windows apps with no Windows and just a small "compatibility layer". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Vaj wrote:A couple of things, first of all, this is NOT emulation. With emulation there is no contest, as emulation is VERY slow. Secondly, in the June edition of Macworld, they test equivalent PC systems running XP Pro with Macs of the same config booted for XP Pro. The results are nearly identical, although some prcoesses in Microsoft Office were slightly faster on the Mac. So the real answer seems to be, that XP on equivalent systems run about the same. Also note these were on the very initial release of Boot Camp and the very first Mac Intel LAPTOPS (not desktops). As an example a 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core Macbook laptop ran Windows Media Encoder at a score of 280, an HP Pavillion 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core scores with a DESKTOP (with probably a faster hard drive) scores at 279 (smaller being better). http://www.macworld.com/2006/04/firstlooks/xpbenchmarks/index.php __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:12 AM, new.morning wrote:I don't know. Can it? If so that would be great. It's already been done (Vista has been run on Intel Macs). Boot Camp will need to be updated however for support from it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A couple of things, first of all, this is NOT emulation. With emulation there is no contest, as emulation is VERY slow. I have no interest in dual booting, but I'm very curious to see the performance numbers with Parallels Workstation virtual machine software. I know that Windows ran like crap on PowerPC Macs running emulation, but a kick-ass VM on Intel Macs might possibly entice me to make the switch. There is a modest speed loss, it runs at about 90% of native speed. And you can run ANY Windows OS (Win 2000 for example). __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote:great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though. That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. You do realize that the Mac Pro is TWO dual cores, not one quad core, right? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As an example a 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core Macbook laptop ran Windows Media Encoder at a score of 280, an HP Pavillion 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core scores with a DESKTOP (with probably a faster hard drive) scores at 279 (smaller being better). great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though.What software would you like to see? I think the Worldbench 5 test is a good overall indicator as it tests 15 applications in 13 different scenarios.That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro onlyequaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent.Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. What I am interested in --and really have no data-- is how fast are Windows apps running in WINE?, that is, Windows apps with no Windows and just a small "compatibility layer". Please pass on any results for that you find. It's kinda moot at this point because basically all the articles I've seen say the same thing, XP runs the same or slightly to moderately faster on Mac Intels with the beta version of Boot Camp. I thought I'd heard of another Boot Camp type app that will optimize gaming more specifically for Mac Intels, but I forget he details as gaming does not generally appeal to me. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:45 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote: That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. The first one. Not sure what specifically you mean. I'll take a wild guess and assume you're talking about the Falcon Northwest Mach V with Core 2 Extreme? It's an Intel Core 2 Extreme processor and top of the line, I guess that's why they used it, not sure. I was more interested in side-by-side comparisons of virtually identical systems. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:09 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote: great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though. That doesn't explain the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. You do realize that the Mac Pro is TWO dual cores, not one quad core, right? Yes, of course. And its (MAC Pro) performance, per the article you sent me, appears only as good as a Dell single dual core cpu (=2 cores). Thus my questioning of how good the Macpro, with TWO dual core CPUs (= 4 cores) actually is. Without knowing the article in question and no direct quote, I have no idea. Like I said before, they roughly the same as regular Wintel machines. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:28 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:45 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote: That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. The first one. Not sure what specifically you mean. I'll take a wild guess and assume you're talking about the Falcon Northwest Mach V with Core 2 Extreme? It's an Intel Core 2 Extreme processor and top of the line, I guess that's why they used it, not sure. I was more interested in side-by-side comparisons of virtually identical systems. Look next to the Falcon and there is the Gateway. Both have a single dual core cpu as far as I can see. Correct me if i am wrong. Both equaled more or less, the performance of the Two dual core (4 cores) of the MAC pro. Not very impressive for the MAC Pro. From what I read these are not Woodcrest but the "latest and greatest" Conroe processors (at least it is on the Falcon. According to reviews of the Falcon, it was supposed to be unbeatable for quite sometime. Well guess what, it's been beaten. So that's what it seems to be about, beating the leader in speed.See: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1985983,00.asp The Falcon Northwest Mach V runs Intel's long-awaited Core 2 processor (formerly known as Conroe). It's the new desktop performance champ, and the one others will be chasing around the track for quite a while.Jaw-dropping speed. Quieter than some of the competition.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:21 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:28 PM, new.morning wrote:.  The Falcon Northwest Mach V runs Intel's long-awaited Core 2 processor (formerly known as Conroe). It's the new desktop performance champ, and the one others will be chasing around the track for quite a while.  Jaw-dropping speed. Quieter than some of the competition. And now back to the issue at hand, that a gateway single dual core apparently equaled or beat a Mac Pro with two dual core CPUS. It's what's already been discussed New Mourn: it's also a Conroe processor which is supposed to be the fastest of the fast. Not so impressive now, esp. when some of these Conroe processors are on high speed RAID arrays, and being compared to a slower single hard drive! I'm certainly impressed. Next time I want to do computations on the human genome or ray trace for Pixar on the side I'll consider buying one. :-) Obviously if a lowly Woodcrest proc can beat or be close to the fastest Conroe procs, that's saying something. But they are much more expensive! see http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/core2/index.x?pg=1 __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As an example a 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core Macbook laptop ran Windows Media Encoder at a score of 280, an HP Pavillion 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core scores with a DESKTOP (with probably a faster hard drive) scores at 279 (smaller being better).great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though.What software would you like to see? I think the Worldbench 5 test is a good overall indicator as it tests 15 applications in 13 different scenarios. That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent.Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. What I am interested in --and really have no data-- is how fast are Windows apps running in WINE?, that is, Windows apps with no Windows and just a small "compatibility layer". Please pass on any results for that you find. It's kinda moot at this point because basically all the articles I've seen say the same thing, XP runs the same or slightly to moderately faster on Mac Intels with the beta version of Boot Camp. I thought I'd heard of another Boot Camp type app that will optimize gaming more specifically for Mac Intels, but I forget he details as gaming does not generally appeal to me. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
You already have them, check your email. Like I said, this is old news. On Oct 16, 2006, at 4:20 PM, new.morning wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> It's what's already been discussed New Mourn: it's also a Conroe >> processor which is supposed to be the fastest of the fast. > > Ok thanks for the clarification. So the article you sent me upon my > query about side-by side* tests of MAC Pro compared to PCs is not in > that article -- since the MAC Pro is using a slower, lower > architecture processor than the current Gateway apparently used in > that test** > > So when real side by side tests PC / MAC PRO tests are published, let > me know. Particularly using quad core cpus, under vista, with 64 bit > software, optimized for multiple processors and raid drives, testing > intense numeric calcs, as well as graphics, video, etc. > > * (and side-by side meaning running same OS, -- all using same > processor, hard drives, memory, graphics card etc.) > > **(confusing because the same gateway was running another slower dual > core back in may under linked articles to yours.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
