RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo Yes, and the american purusha that poisened him. The story didn’t identify the suspect as an American Purusha. Just a Westerner. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1277 - Release Date: 2/13/2008 8:00 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
--- claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. And I was told that MMY said to Chopra much the same thing he'd said to Ravi Shankar - if you need to teach go ahead but we must go our separate ways.. Interesting that both Chopra Ravi Shankar featured in commentaries about MMY after his death. Ravi Shankar actually wanted to teach what he had cognized while in silence (Sudashan Kriya) within the structure of the TMO. MMY told him to teach on his own. He didn't leave the TMO for over a year after that. While I see Chopra and SSRS as very different from one another (one gives interesting talks and the other functions as a guru)both have greatly contributed to to the rising spirituality on the planet. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
Everyone can be pretty sure Bevan will push the Maharishi envelope as superlatively as anything Maharishi did. It will still be fun to watch. this is one reason I have been excited by the TM Movement stories my whole life; at least it's totally fascinating metadrama.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
This pretty much sums up my impression of the man also. 3 doctors in the ambulance, and only himself, after the car reached the hospital was able to revive a dead body ? Sounds very strange. -That sounds strange to you? That sounds strange. But Nablusoss1008 is Aliester Crowley reincarnated yet? And where on your scale is he?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
and I've always wondered about the strong anti-Chopra feelings I've seen expressed on groups like this one. --Well, Ayurveda became a focal point in the mid eighties. First we saw all the vaidyas, then later yet we got Chopra for a spell. he seemed to me like a latecomer to the TMO who Maharishi went on to pet calling him Dhanvantara of the New Age specifically. We were more like - who is this? And he gave the graduation speech for my class there in 87. I was like - who is he? So I always felt a bit like he was a faker. But I liked some things in the letter he wrote. And obviously if Oprah likes him he's inviolable because she's never wrong. ;)
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You can't blame Maharishi for being overly polite, that's a typically Indian way of treating others. People namaste and bow and it's easy to develop the flowery style of propping people. Then Maharishi found that people liked it so he further worked with it. Deepak, or anyone, should not succumb to flattery and such. And apparently Deepak did not succumb to flattery because he left. He could have had everyone kowtow to him even more than he did. But he chose money over flattery... samsara over liberationlike most ...even Bevan will be hard pressed to remember his motivation soon and within ten years it's likely this first TM Movement will be basically over I believe that Deepak shows that even those closest to Maharishi find it difficult to maintain a relationship to him, so they all will forget, with time, and individualize without a hub for their spokinesses. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo I blame Chopra for that as much as anyone. Chopra is the one who decided to become the media darling rather than sit at the feet of the guru. The entire thing with the rajas and whatnot is obviously a direct response to Chopra. You can't get on Oprah wearing a silly- looking crown. Lawson Lawson, at the risk of sounding judgemental, you started off so promising, and more balanced. I thought, this guy is posting from a new angle. Now it sounds like it's back to the old Lawson. Well at least now we know Maharishi's thinking about the Rajas and the uniform. Make them a laughing stock. That M thinks of everything! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I've always wondered about the strong anti-Chopra feelings I've seen expressed on groups like this one. --Well, Ayurveda became a focal point in the mid eighties. First we saw all the vaidyas, then later yet we got Chopra for a spell. he seemed to me like a latecomer to the TMO who Maharishi went on to pet calling him Dhanvantara of the New Age specifically. We were more like - who is this? And he gave the graduation speech for my class there in 87. I was like - who is he? So I always felt a bit like he was a faker. But I liked some things in the letter he wrote. And obviously if Oprah likes him he's inviolable because she's never wrong. ;) Kirk, did you notice that Chopra, as a mouthpiece for MMY's teaching, got it wrong a lot? I used to listen to him at various TMO events and realize that he didn't have a clear understanding of what Maharishi was talking about. I think this is because he didn't spend all that time watching tapes on TTC, ATR's, etc. He wasn't steeped in the knowledge. Several tapes I saw with him and MMY, Maharishi would correct him when he was talking from time to time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
Maharishi, after all, did the same thing. We have NO IDEA what the real story of Guru Dev was. All we have is Maharishi's view of who and what he was. And that view is often at odds with the view of other people who were students of Guru Dev's at the same time Mahesh was. The only reason that most of us have any kind of official view of who and what Guru Dev was is because MMY's was in many cases the *only* view we ever heard. Safe to say that if it wasn't for Maharishi then we would not have heard of Guru Dev as he would have just been another saint in the long Hindu list. I personally do not believe that Maharishi has outdone the Shankaracharyas. It's negotiable which is the more important victory for him, that is, to get the Shanks to think Westerners should be allowed to be Hindus, or that Hindus should be allowed to become Westerners. Because we aren't normally allowed within range of many yajnas at all. The effect Maharishi had was to unite the world at least a few more ways. I believe that the course participants now are experiencing some of the Vedic ability as based in the real traditional yajnas being held now. Especially in Varanasi. I had the benefit of working with Ben Collins puja group and a couple others last year and I can speak to the power of the attention of real Hindu (and Buddhist) priests. They have powerful concentration which alone with one as the focus, or whomever recipient can feel. As for whether I believe in the gods or the power alone of human attention it is great. Rituals may well be psychocognitive coherence makers due to synchronized attentions and intentions. I actually almost went totally crazy during that time. I think I had something like literally 15 yajnas lined up for last Akshaya Tritiya. Fucking intense. I was literally insomniac for five months. I mean totally. I burned the pujas out. I can't even do one now or it's too much for me. I had yajnas done to erase slavery, to create peace in the east, to make my gurus, many Buddhist, live longer, to enrich New Orleans and the Gulf South, and to attract merit to said same. Finally I did some Bhudevi yajnas for all beings. I met a lama and he told me to do all pujas for all beings. So I started doing that. man was it fucking intense. One Sunday morning I felt this peace so great. But then the swing to feeling like I was in hell. It was all really really intense. My point. I forget. Oh yeah. Oh Yeah, I also under the auspices of the Kanchi Shank and other Sri Vidya devotees was the only white guy out of a hundred Hindus to be in the first Saundaraya Lahiri Japa Yajna under Sri Harshanand, rising young guruji. But oh yeah. Shakti is in control, not Maharishi or his followers. I had a dream the other night where a middle aged black woman of average looks was bowed to by everybody including myself, and when she walked towards me I got a hardon. The next day I saw this picture of Mahakali riding Shiva. So I thought some funny things about Bevans proclaimation that Maharishi has turned Kali to Sat quite interesting. I had quite a few dreams during this last week, all with black people in them, all seeming to say that Shakti is the source of all power, not Maharishi. I had one dream where a small black boy was trying to get a woman to dance but she wasn't buying. She was staying out of frame and unseen. Not dancing. So I have to praise Mahakali as Buddha first and Mahakali as Herself second before Mahakali as Maharishi third or fourth or whatever. Guru dev was Mahakali, as Shodashi, as are all the great gurus of the Shanks. Yoni Goddess, circular source of endless perfection and power. Without Shakti Shiva is Shava. Jai Ma. Ma unformed, Ma with no basis, Ma - basis of freedom. Ma - yah! And freedom from Yah! to- Ma. This is what one calls transcending in speech. ;)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
Kirk, did you notice that Chopra, as a mouthpiece for MMY's teaching, got it wrong a lot? I used to listen to him at various TMO events and realize that he didn't have a clear understanding of what Maharishi was talking about. I think this is because he didn't spend all that time watching tapes on TTC, ATR's, etc. He wasn't steeped in the knowledge. Several tapes I saw with him and MMY, Maharishi would correct him when he was talking from time to time. ---No, I never was into Chopra and didn't look to him for anything.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo USA is still considered a western country, at least by many standards. Of course. And so are all the countries in Europe. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1277 - Release Date: 2/13/2008 8:00 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
On Feb 14, 2008, at 9:15 AM, authfriend wrote: (So much for Barry's umpteenth vow, made just yesterday, not to respond to me. This is the way he usually sneaks back in, by ostensibly responding to someone else who has responded to me and demonizing me in those comments, without mentioning my name. But he doesn't normally start quite *this* quickly.) Judy, can you spell paranoia? Geez. Now even *third* party messages by Barry are attempts to demonize you. As a public service, I am calling on you to state here and now how many messages removed from your original message Barry's observations have to be before you'll give up on attempts to get something started again. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Sal, who here hasn't asked these two to stop with the incessant and pointless feuding. Obvious to one and all, irritating to the max, incapable of being ended because the 'other' always starts it up again. Turq posts with a broad (and often cheeky) brush and Judy can't resist calling him on every inconsistency, large or small, regardless of any value to anyone else, least of all as an inducement for Turq to change his style. It'll be obvious to one and all at FFL when Sat Yuga finally dawns. Yep. :) Great post, Marek. Of course the intent of my post was a tongue-in-cheek attempt to try and determine just how far from Judy's posts Barry had to get in order to avoid starting a feud. And, par for the course, it was picked apart because it wasn't worded as precisely as it could have been...or something. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
Bija mantras exist in many tantras. Lakshmi tantra of Vaisnavas and Upanishads from Narasimhanada and so on. Mantras are not news. They exist in many works including Shrimaddevi Bhagavatum, the Devi Purana. Mantras of the bija style pervade the puranas and were primary to the whole Vedic literature as the Alikali or Sanskrit language. Every letter is a mantra. Some of the primary are derived from first four vowels and other letters, comprising the Shiva and Shakti mantras. Of which the first two as described in the Lakshmi tantra, as everyone knows, are the Tarika, and Anutarika, the mantras Hrim and Shrim. They are described as those two words which ferry one across the ocean of existance, or make one transscend however one will read into it. Do you mean to say RJW that Kanchi should not handle people's spiritual accounts? To what should me answer be? They are beyond karma? Should you mean to suggest that? Money is energy and conservation of momentum. Exchange of energy. Based in intention. Thus a powerful fuel. - Original Message - From: Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo Kirk wrote: I also under the auspices of the Kanchi Shank and other Sri Vidya devotees was the only white guy out of a hundred Hindus to be in the first Saundaraya Lahiri Japa Yajna So, you're thinking that there is an oral tradition in India and that the TM bija mantras are derived from that tradition - the Sri Vidya. But, the head of the Kanchi mutt isn't really a Shankaracharya, and he's been accused of murder. Yet, the TM mantras are nowhere mentioned in any Vedic literature. I wonder what's up with that? You would think that there would be some scripture composed after the oral tradition that spelled out exactly where the TM bija mantras came from. However, there are no bija mantras mentioned in Patanjali's Yoga Sutra (circa 200 B.C.) or in the Rig Veda. Does the historical Buddha, Shakya the Muni, (circa 400 B.C.) mention any TM bija mantras? Did Shankara, the founder of the tradition we are following mention any bija mantras? Did Shankara even approve of yogic introspection? So, the TM bija mantras must have been formulated after the Buddha and after Patanjali. There are bija mantras mentioned in the Tantras. But when were the Tantras composed? According to what I've read, the tantras were composed after the Gupta Age. Are there any TM bija mantras mentioned in the Tantras? So, it must be that TMers and TM teachers have accepted 'on faith' that the TM bija mantras are part of the oral tradition. If so, then we TMers are actually practicing a form of 'guru yoga' - we accept without question that the TM bija mantras came from an established tradition, because the teacher said so. But most people can't read the scriptures in Sanskrit, so we don't really know if there are any mention of bija mantras in them or not! But if Patanjali and Shankara didn't mention any bija mantras at all, then an enquiring person would want to ask these questions, EVEN IF THE TECHNIQUE WORKS. Enquiring minds just want to know: where do the TM bija mantras come from and from what tradition? After years of enquiry and study, I think I have the answer to all these questions: Auspicious Wisdom - the Tradition of Sri Vidya http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
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I heard Maharishi once been saying that the TM-Mantras came from the so-called mantra shastras. I have never been studying them, but he said that this is a complete source, which may even contain the mantras of physical immortality, which have once been carried off by some demon . - Original Message - From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo Kirk wrote: I also under the auspices of the Kanchi Shank and other Sri Vidya devotees was the only white guy out of a hundred Hindus to be in the first Saundaraya Lahiri Japa Yajna So, you're thinking that there is an oral tradition in India and that the TM bija mantras are derived from that tradition - the Sri Vidya. But, the head of the Kanchi mutt isn't really a Shankaracharya, and he's been accused of murder. Yet, the TM mantras are nowhere mentioned in any Vedic literature. I wonder what's up with that? You would think that there would be some scripture composed after the oral tradition that spelled out exactly where the TM bija mantras came from. However, there are no bija mantras mentioned in Patanjali's Yoga Sutra (circa 200 B.C.) or in the Rig Veda. Does the historical Buddha, Shakya the Muni, (circa 400 B.C.) mention any TM bija mantras? Did Shankara, the founder of the tradition we are following mention any bija mantras? Did Shankara even approve of yogic introspection? So, the TM bija mantras must have been formulated after the Buddha and after Patanjali. There are bija mantras mentioned in the Tantras. But when were the Tantras composed? According to what I've read, the tantras were composed after the Gupta Age. Are there any TM bija mantras mentioned in the Tantras? So, it must be that TMers and TM teachers have accepted 'on faith' that the TM bija mantras are part of the oral tradition. If so, then we TMers are actually practicing a form of 'guru yoga' - we accept without question that the TM bija mantras came from an established tradition, because the teacher said so. But most people can't read the scriptures in Sanskrit, so we don't really know if there are any mention of bija mantras in them or not! But if Patanjali and Shankara didn't mention any bija mantras at all, then an enquiring person would want to ask these questions, EVEN IF THE TECHNIQUE WORKS. Enquiring minds just want to know: where do the TM bija mantras come from and from what tradition? After years of enquiry and study, I think I have the answer to all these questions: Auspicious Wisdom - the Tradition of Sri Vidya http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm
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I read your website on the subject. Earliest pictures of Lakshmi are Buddhist coins of Gaja or Elephant Lakshmi from 100 CE. The Shri Suktam is considered late Vedic at placed at 400 BCE. If you know the Shree Suktam then you know the original 16 quatrains have the associated letters of the Shodashi at the start of the Shakta chanting of it. Much of this is from from 'Buddhist Goddesses of India by Miranda Shaw.' Early statuettes known as Lajja Gauri show the flower headed woman, who was an early Goddess of enlightenment. Mantra knowledge has alway been kabbalah. Early Buddhism was did not teach bija mantras but later Mahayana teachers composed dharanis. India is a big land. Anything is possible. Recently there was mention of a temple describing a feminine path of worship known as Dakiniyana. Kamakhya peeth isn't a new feature of planet Gaia. we can be sure some Shakta cults stem back as old as time. Did they all teach bija mantras? It's all conjecture. I have heard the first language was one of signs. So mudras probably outdate vocalized sounds. Then dance steps or formal gestures. Like bowing. There have always been pockets of people of men and women who treat each other as equals and who respect and even worship each other. This is Shakta philosophy. Other religions have always been jealous. It's unfortunate when the sexes cannot find the divine in each others organs. Frankly I always thought oral sex was the closest thing to heaven on earth considering the unification of crown and base chakras. And we know that didn't start yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised in getting and giving oral sex wasn't the first secret cult. It is the secret compassionate means of giving greatest respect. Of course I am sure people find that horrid (to hear(but not to receive-you liars)). First thing one says is Uhh Ahhh.Then Ih E. In the spirit of Valentines. Now have to go. Have a good one, even if it's just you and yours.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
Maybe doctor-patient confidentiality is stricter for psychologists than for medical doctors. --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I'm not an expert here. As has been pointed out and based on what Chopra has written, the times he attended on Maharishi in a physician context was in India and England, both of those instances would have put him out of the jurisdictional reach of any U.S. court. Maybe not outside of review by the state agency that licensed him as a physician, but unlikely to come to their attention. And even then I don't see why they would take any disciplinary action. Plus, as I read his essay, he didn't talk about any medical information that Maharishi had given him that was used in either the diagnosis or treatment of Maharishi; and the physician/patient privilege deals specifically with those types of confidences. The fact that Maharishi apparently worried about the karmic consequences of the blood transfusion wouldn't fall under the privilege, either, I don't believe. Dr. Pete mentioned that it would be a violation of the physician/patient privilege to even acknowledge that you were the treating physician of a person. That I'm not sure about and it seems to be beyond what I suspect the privilege covers, but I would defer to him as he's closer to that situation since he's a clinical psychologist. And too, although Chopra obviously participated as a physician when Maharishi was ill, it seems that it was his father, or perhaps another doctor or doctors, who functioned as the primary treating physician(s). Except, of course, when Maharishi was coding and Chopra acted under those exigent circumstances to do what he could to save Maharishi's life. That's just following the Hippocratic oath. So that's all the comments following my intial disclaimer that I'm not an expert. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marek: It would be nice to hear a legal opinion on the following: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/165362 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Sal, who here hasn't asked these two to stop with the incessant and pointless feuding. Obvious to one and all, irritating to the max, incapable of being ended because the 'other' always starts it up again. Turq posts with a broad (and often cheeky) brush and Judy can't resist calling him on every inconsistency, large or small, regardless of any value to anyone else, least of all as an inducement for Turq to change his style. It'll be obvious to one and all at FFL when Sat Yuga finally dawns. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 9:15 AM, authfriend wrote: (So much for Barry's umpteenth vow, made just yesterday, not to respond to me. This is the way he usually sneaks back in, by ostensibly responding to someone else who has responded to me and demonizing me in those comments, without mentioning my name. But he doesn't normally start quite *this* quickly.) Judy, can you spell paranoia? Geez. Now even *third* party messages by Barry are attempts to demonize you. As a public service, I am calling on you to state here and now how many messages removed from your original message Barry's observations have to be before you'll give up on attempts to get something started again. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo Nyah. Except maybe on YOUR part, to not note she's correct about this. Few people ever call Barry on his Judy obsession except to joke about it, but many make hostile remarks towards Judy (such as yourself), using the Barry Thing as yet another excuse to insult Judy. She's often speculated that its the fact she's a *woman* that draws certain people's ire. I often think so also. I guess the wisdom of posting limits has been proven once again. one more day of this. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM
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It's an ethical violation that is usually dealt with by the state within which you are licensed. But since Chopra holds no current medical license, it is a moot point. --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Addendum: One thing that I didn't think to mention is that it's not against the law to divulge or breach a confidentiality, although breach of contract, intentional infliction or emotional distress and a host of other causes of action would likely be brought in tort against anyone who did -- a lawsuit brought by the harmed party. The only other way that there could be legal repercussions would be if the confidence was breached within a court proceeding and then the person could be held in contempt, but that's totally unlikely since no Court would allow testimony of anyone re matters protected by privilege without first getting the waiver from the privilege holder. All Courts are very sensitive to issues of privilege. So the whole thing is totally outside of any Court review in any case. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I'm not an expert here. As has been pointed out and based on what Chopra has written, the times he attended on Maharishi in a physician context was in India and England, both of those instances would have put him out of the jurisdictional reach of any U.S. court. Maybe not outside of review by the state agency that licensed him as a physician, but unlikely to come to their attention. And even then I don't see why they would take any disciplinary action. Plus, as I read his essay, he didn't talk about any medical information that Maharishi had given him that was used in either the diagnosis or treatment of Maharishi; and the physician/patient privilege deals specifically with those types of confidences. The fact that Maharishi apparently worried about the karmic consequences of the blood transfusion wouldn't fall under the privilege, either, I don't believe. Dr. Pete mentioned that it would be a violation of the physician/patient privilege to even acknowledge that you were the treating physician of a person. That I'm not sure about and it seems to be beyond what I suspect the privilege covers, but I would defer to him as he's closer to that situation since he's a clinical psychologist. And too, although Chopra obviously participated as a physician when Maharishi was ill, it seems that it was his father, or perhaps another doctor or doctors, who functioned as the primary treating physician(s). Except, of course, when Maharishi was coding and Chopra acted under those exigent circumstances to do what he could to save Maharishi's life. That's just following the Hippocratic oath. So that's all the comments following my intial disclaimer that I'm not an expert. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Marek: It would be nice to hear a legal opinion on the following: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/165362 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Sal, who here hasn't asked these two to stop with the incessant and pointless feuding. Obvious to one and all, irritating to the max, incapable of being ended because the 'other' always starts it up again. Turq posts with a broad (and often cheeky) brush and Judy can't resist calling him on every inconsistency, large or small, regardless of any value to anyone else, least of all as an inducement for Turq to change his style. It'll be obvious to one and all at FFL when Sat Yuga finally dawns. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 9:15 AM, authfriend wrote: (So much for Barry's umpteenth vow, made just yesterday, not to respond to me. This is the way he usually sneaks back in, by ostensibly responding to someone else who has responded to me and demonizing me in those comments, without mentioning my name. But he doesn't normally start quite *this* quickly.) Judy, can you spell paranoia? Geez. Now even *third* party messages by Barry are attempts to demonize you. As a public service, I am calling on you to state here and now how many messages removed from your original message Barry's observations have to be before you'll give up on attempts to get something started again. Sal === message truncated === Looking for last minute
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
--- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the_b_86412 .htmlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the_b_ 86412.html It seemed a little self-serving to me; incomplete, poorly written and probably a first draft. Sounds like he wants his cake and eat it too. So MMY is a an irascible, jealous old man who happens to be in Unity Consciousness. Doesn't make much sense to me, how would Chopra know what state of consciousness MMY was/is in anyway? But hey, he implied he saved MMY's life, got special advanced techniques and knew the man personally like his son, that's worth at least another book deal wouldn't you say? Billy, why so cynical? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was fantastic! Chopra has gained many points in my estimation for the humanness of this piece. It's a fascinating piece, but I'd recommend a salt shaker to accompany your reading, particularly with regard to the details of the medical emergency and Chopra's role in it. Why? In my personal interactions with Chopra many moons ago he always came across as a pretty straight shooter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo Both Jerry and Doug got this live with me ultimatum. Jerry left and it caused a stir. Doug,of course, never did. I don’t think Jerry wanted to leave. He was put out to pasture. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1277 - Release Date: 2/13/2008 8:00 PM
