[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I forgot to mention that the Bush regime has absolutely been the best at displaying addictive thinking, with its toxic need to blame others for one's own failures :-) This I suppose would be a subset of the addict's compulsive need to lie. I find it interesting that a) Aurobindo said Hitler channelled the Asura of Untruth, and b) there evidently have been numerous ties between the Nazis and the Bushes, and c) this particular administration lies more continually and yet more transparently than any other I have known. Perhaps the Thousand Year Reich in its Asuric essence (the spirit of Untruth) is NOT dead, and yet would appear to be perhaps on the verge of demise, its addictive machinations having become much more evident to many more people than ever before. I see potential for great hope here :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This I suppose would be a subset of the addict's compulsive need to lie. By the way Llundrub, you perhaps have seen yourself as an addict, but I know you to be virtually exempt from this need to lie. Au contraire, you are one of the most compulsively truthful people I know -- and your Truth burns bright in the Heart! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When destruction of nearly everything that has gone before it is your goal, it doesn't take a whole lot to accomplish that. Ask any kid that's ever deliberately knocked down a sand castle that someone else had worked hard to create. Sal Exactly. And let's not forget some of those kids are getting a *whole* lot of money for knocking down those sandcastles. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Amazing Multipe Connotations of Words to Different Listeners
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippety None of your slurs seem to fit. (And I do wonder why you appear to pump out as many ad homenun attacks against people who disagree with you as actual discussion points.) Minor point -- the actual term is ad hominem -- Latin for to [or against] the man. Ad homenun perhaps connotes something more like against the domestic (or gay?) nun :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rove Reportedly Held Phone Talk on C.I.A. Officer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they'd just do their damned *job*, things wouldn't be quite so bleak right now. It would appear that many now see their *job* as sucking up to their corporate bosses and the WH in order to keep their jobs and their access -- such as it is :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liberal = American. OK, but that's not what the founding fathers were thinking when they created the Electoral College, and decided to keep the definition of slaves as property... @$#! the founding fathers. John Hagelin is James Otis; John Kerry is Andrew Jackson, according to Semkiw's Return of the Revolutionaries. The consistency of facial features (as well as personalities, turns of phrase, etc .) across incarnations is remarkable in these and other cases provided there...:- ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Evident Certainty Can be a Tricky Thing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A source document of some recent discussion: the Thursday interview between Joe Wilson and Wolf Blitzer on CNN in context (no snips between quotes. No other quotes/discussion directly on this topic): *** Wilson: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day Bob Novak blew her ID How does one blow the ID of someone *not* a clandestine officer? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Nope. America = Liberal and there's no denying it. Right wing religious nuts don't belong here...and they know it. Liberal = American, and the day that changesit's not America anymore. Actually America was first *settled* by right- wing religious nuts who came here because they were being persecuted for their nuttiness in the Old Country. Not sure this is totally true -- Cape Ann and Salem, Mass., and Maine, for example, were settled by a bunch of people wanting to fish in peace until the Massachusetts Puritan fundies arrived in 1630 and immediately took over Salem (and annexed Maine a bit later). Both the Popham Colony and the Jamestown Colony were founded in 1607, before the Mayflower Separatists of 1620. And what about St. Augustine, Florida? (And if by America you mean more than the USA, then we have a whole new ballgame.) And there *does* seem to be a lot of evidence that even the USA was colonized by numerous cultures through the millenia, if you believe Barry Fell at all :-) But still and all, I agree with your understanding of the right-wing nuttiness of the fundy Puritans, for sure :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What few here seem to realise is that when you watch a master chess player you don't understand all the moves and some of them seem darn right foolhardy, but this is much more complex than a chess game, Maharishi is 10,000 moves ahead of anyone else on the planet. Remember that Beatles album cover for Magical Mystery Tour. Everone is in a raceand Maharishi is shown way out in front...by far. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I didn't realize at all that we were all in a competition. Dang! Where are my running shoes! I better get started! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, setheridge2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've been most surprised to read of the disenchantment of living in Fairfield, (i'm new to this group), it kind of brings to question the concept of a collective coherent consciouness. Has anyone got any good stories to tell of living in a community of like minded people ? cheers Yes, my wife and I absolutely love it there; it's like no other place we've seen. The community is terrific -- not so much the TB's (whom we almost never see) -- but all of those awake or awakening to the larger wholeness of the Heart. We just bought a house there this summer, and plan to live in it much of the year. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: physical
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion is that matter is very real and that the illusion is the concept that matter and spirit are separate. Alex We have a winner. Seconded. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rove Reportedly Held Phone Talk on C.I.A. Officer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus H. Christ! snip What does the H stand for, again? Harvey? Maybe Jesus reincarnated as a Pooka? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Amazing Multipe Connotations of Words to Different Listeners
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippety None of your slurs seem to fit. (And I do wonder why you appear to pump out as many ad homenun attacks against people who disagree with you as actual discussion points.) Minor point -- the actual term is ad hominem -- Latin for to [or against] the man. Ad homenun perhaps connotes something more like against the domestic (or gay?) nun :-) How dare you call me gay! Even though there's nothing wrong with being gay or anything. What is the context of these ad homo minimum attacks? Oh, sorry, Dr. Pete; I didn't realize. When did you become a nun? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: W-e-l-c-o-m-e-S-a-t-Y-u-g
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll welcome in Sat Yuga with my program and a puja. But If I start yelling Welcome Sat yuga everytime I do the flying sutra I'm going to have a massive headache. But Dr. Pete, Sat Yuga is kind of like Tinkerbell. If you don't clap your butt and shout I DO believe in Satyuga! I DO! well, then, she just might not come...isn't that worth a massive headche or two? Or then again, maybe she's already here; always *will* be here; always *has* been here, and so on. (Dr.) Who knows... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: physical
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion is that matter is very real and that the illusion is the concept that matter and spirit are separate. Alex We have a winner. Seconded. Which is why Cliff gets to crinkle up his nose and try to scrape the dogshit off his shoe. It may be divine, but it's still dogshit. *lol* Very well put. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, its not a competition. Its just natural that I am first, and you are last. It is the natural order of things, a mathematical inevitability. No problem; I don't mind being the mopper up. Shiva gets the last laugh :-D (jest kiddin') :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you back in Maine now, Rory? If so, coming down to see Amma? I think Rick is expecting you. Yes, we're back in Maine at the moment -- working intensively on house renovations here, before heading back to FF in late July (we think). Probably we will not be seeing Amma; we have a great deal more to do here and do not feel especially pulled southwards at the moment anyhow :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read that somewhere. What happened to them, any idea? The only trouble is that for any given group of people, there's *somebody* who is absolutely positive they settled here at some point, including Vedic Indians and Israelites (there are claims that the Native Americans were the Lost Tribes thereof), as well as various groups of refugees from Atlantis. Barry Fell has written a number of books presenting interesting archaeological and epigraphal evidence of Phoenicians, Celts, Egyptians, and many others over the millennia .. worth a look, at any rate :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, no, I was thinking that the Celts don't seem to, you know, be here any longer. Seems likely there were only small settlements of Celts here (apparently primarily in New England, judging from the Ogham inscriptions and megaliths here), and (from the linguistic evidence) they probably intermarried with the American Indians along the east coast. I have also seen some pretty densely argued scholarly papers on the internet ascribing Tibetan antecedents to some of the western Indian tribes, providing ample linguistic and cultural evidence to prove their case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: physical
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion is that matter is very real and that the illusion is the concept that matter and spirit are separate. Alex We have a winner. Seconded. But if its only a matter of opnion, rather than direct perception, does it matter? Mind or matter? Never mind; it doesn't matter :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Maharishi started crowning kings it was literally the crowning moment of the Movement...unfortunately The King as uniter (and separator) of Heaven (upper chakras: heart/Buddhi, throat/Mahat-Atman, and head/Avyukta) and Earth (lower chakras: navel/Manas, sex/Indriyas and base/Karmendriyas) is the symbol of the Ahamkara or Ego, residing in the Solar Plexus (bottom of the heart, midway between heart/Buddhi and navel/Manas). As BushCo is probably the prime modern example or symbol of the deranged or addictive Ego, bound helplessly to Power and Concrete Mind (navel center/Manas), Maharshi's Kings are perhaps intended as a compensatory symbols, providing more positive examples or symbols of correct balance between Power/Concrete mind (navel/Manas) and Heart/Intuition :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody done any DNA studies? Something sticks in my mind having to do with DNA and Native Americans, but I can't remember what. Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Did they have a tradition of exploration? Would they have been monkish types, or merchant types? Not sure how many DNA studies have been done; below is an interesting (if lengthy) overview on the subject as a whole (though I see no mention of Tibet here). As to the Tibetan links with the Navajo and Apache, I am unable ATM to find the densely-argued internet papers mentioned earlier. It would appear at least some of them were priestly types, given the numerous correspondences in cosmology and sand painting, as well as sacred dances, costumes, and so on. Again, don't know about DNA, but physical similarities are stunning. Some scholars agree there are definite links between Sino- Tibetan and Athabascan (Navajo-Apache) languages; others remain skeptical. http://www.palden.co.uk/hhn/essays/hhn-25.html Essays on geopolitics history and the future Palden Jenkins 25. The Columbus myth The myth that Columbus discovered the Americas is subscribed to today and was recently reaffirmed in 1992 in North America on its 500 year anniversary. It is a resilient myth, and great interests are vested in maintaining it. A sure sign of this is the general academic refusal to research the matter seriously or to consider any evidence which undermines the Columbian creed. Denial of the validity of evidence is insufficient, even though some claims made for pre-Columban trans-oceanic contact are inconclusive or dubious. There is strong evidence for such contact. It is unjustified to reject this quite plausible hypothesis on the basis that some inconclusive evidence implies that all evidence is spurious a classic sceptic's technique. My own interest in this was aroused in 1986 when I met a farmer in Cornwall (SW Britain) on whose land lies the ancient Merry Maidens stone circle. He recounted that, when grubbing up an old earthen field boundary some years before, he had found a deeply-buried greenstone arrowhead which his son then took to school to show his teacher. The teacher sent it to the British Museum for identification, and the reply returned that it was at least 5,000 years old and derived from specific rock deposits in Minnesota. The possibility of this being a hoax was minuscule: there is little point planting evidence in a place where it is unlikely to be found or to be accepted as valid evidence hoaxers need a pay-off. The farmer had little interest in prehistory he was a classic farmer- type! What was interesting to me was that this evidence suggested west-to-east travel, from the `New' to the `Old' World, while one would tend to expect east-to-west travel, if anything. West Cornwall was frequented in ancient times by tin traders from the Mediterranean, particularly Phoenicians. Cornwall was a major trading place for tin, a valuable metal in alloy production in Roman times, so this region was a seafaring node. The Phoenicians were also intrepid travellers with a penchant for keeping their trade- sources and destinations secret. They are known to have travelled around Africa and as far as Scandinavia, and there is reasonable evidence they reached the Azores too. As intrepid seafarers, America is not out of the question as a destination. Evidence for ancient contacts over both the Atlantic and the Pacific with the Americas is certainly sufficient to deserve greater attention and a preliminary acceptance that Columbus was not the first to `discover' America. We know that the Vikings and the Irish (St Brendan) had been there, together with Nicholas of Lynn in 1360. The Vikings actually spent a few centuries visiting eastern North America, and penetrating well into the Great Lakes and possibly to the Gulf of Mexico. Ian Wilson points out that Columbus had gained his navigational information from English fishermen and traders in Iceland. However, this is not the full story. Much of the evidence for trans-oceanic contact is circumstantial and debatable for example, the use of parallel building styles and techniques on both sides of the Atlantic, the existence of specific species on both sides of the Atlantic and Pacific and the existence of similar items of vocabulary or other cultural traits connecting specific cultures in the Americas with those of Eurasia. However, some evidence is much more definite, taking the form of specific remains found in the Americas which seem Old World in origin. One of the most contentious areas lies in the field of epigraphy, the study of ancient rock-carved motifs found in America, spearheaded by the enthusiastic Harvard scholar Barry Fell and his associates. Amongst these remains are included Iberic-Roman amphorae
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Sometimes there has been an actual land bridge connecting Siberia and Alaska; at other ages island-hopping would have been necessary. I don't recall exactly how or when the Tibetans were supposed to have crossed, but it apparently wouldn't have been too difficult. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Settlers*, not Founders. The Founders were *not* right-wing religious nuts. No; apparently a large number of them were Freemasons :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly I don't think so. My entire family had been loyal democrats since before the War of Northern Aggression but Jimmy Carter opened our eyes. Yes, that makes sense -- Republicans are the new Democrats. By the way, why do you call it the War of Northern Aggrgression? I am not at all sure the North had the right to force the South to remain in the Union, but IIRC the South fired the first shots, at Fort Sumter...? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory didn't deal specifically with the issue of how the Tibetans would have gained seafaring experience when they don't have a seacoast, which is what I was asking. He did point out that there was a land bridge from Siberia at various points, but jeepers, that's a *gigantic* distance. Yes, it is. However, apparently scholars of the Athabascan languages also agree that the Navajo and Apache migrated down into the US Southwest from Alaska (Eskimo is also an Athabascan language, apparently). That is also a pretty fair distance. One presumes they came to Alaska from somewhere, and given the cultural and physical similarities, Tibet would be a fair bet, it appears. I read on the net that DNA tests are underway, but have as yet seen no results. Yes, I did not indicate that Tibet and China were closely connected, except for mentioning Sino-Tibetan -- i.e., Chines-Tibetan, their common language family. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea why the Tibetans would have been into long journeys like that? Some flavors of monks do so in hope of finding new opportunities to proselytize, but I shouldn't think that would be the motivation of Tibetan monks, or would it? I don't know; if memory serves, the internet articles outlined some specific political stresses creating this particular Tibetan refugee stream (circa 500-700 CE maybe?), but I do not recall much more than that. Presumably this would be quite some time after the Bering land- strait had disappeared. All very thought-provoking, Rory; thanks again. My pleasure, Judy! If you're interested in this sort of thing, I strongly recommend America BC, Bronze-Age America, and Saga America by Barry Fell, as well as Sailing to Paradise by Jim Bailey (lots of mineralogical data on the prehistoric global sailing culture), Hamlet's Mill by de Santillana and Von Dechen (abundant material on the precession of the equinoxes, myth, astronomy and prehistoric global science). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Settlers*, not Founders. The Founders were *not* right-wing religious nuts. No; apparently a large number of them were Freemasons :-) Weren't the Freemasons more of a mystical, anti-Catholic organization, rather than a right-wing conservative one? I wasn't implying that Freemasons were right-wing religious nuts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And Abe Lincoln, a Republican, probably would have been a Democrat today. Yes, most likely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An eviction noticed had been served and not honored. The owner of the Property had every right to remove the squatters, by any means necessary. Who was the owner of Fort Sumter? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An eviction noticed had been served and not honored. The owner of the Property had every right to remove the squatters, by any means necessary. Who was the owner of Fort Sumter? The article below appears to give pretty convincing evidence the US Government owned Fort Sumter: http://www.civilwarhome.com/sumterownership.htm - --- Ownership of Fort Sumter By Bob Huddleston Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution provides clear instructions about how and under what circumstances the United States government may acquire title to property located within a state: Congress shall have the Power . To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings. This was interpreted by the first congresses to require that when any Federal installation was to be built within the boundaries of the state, the government had to purchase the property (unless it lay within the Public Domain) and the state legislature had to pass a law agreeing to the acquisition of the property. From the earliest days of the Republic, states have proved very agreeable to government installations, both from the money spent locally to build the fort or court-house, as well as the government payroll which would follow. The process was very simple: a state would, through its members of Congress and senators, argue that the National Interest required that a fort be built, such as one in the middle of Charleston Harbor. The necessary legislation would pass Congress and be signed by the President. Then the state legislature would pass a law granting title (if the state owned the property) or affirming title (if the land was privately owned) to the United States. The one general exception was a clause inserted to allow state officials to enter the Federal property to seize fugitives from justice or to serve civil process papers. Depending upon the property in question there might also be affirmations of the right of eminent domain, i.e., if the private owner was unwilling to sell, the property would be appraised and, under the Fifth Amendment, the government would judicially take title, paying the owner the appraised price. In other cases, the state's approval was contingent upon the Federal government using the land. South Carolina's legislature was so anxious to have Fort Sumter, that it provided for the first two and left out the third exception. It is important to note that then - and now - the government refused to accept property where there was any other restriction. The state gave up all rights it might have in the property. Otherwise Congress would refuse to appropriate the necessary funds to build the installation. The States bent over backwards to make certain they got their share - and then some - of the Federal budget, including quickly removing impediments to the government acquiring title. And it is important to note that the title given to the United States was fee simple, with specific notice that the property was exempt from any state or local taxes. Except for the qualification that the property could be entered to seize fugitives, the property passed in perpetuity to the Federal government. Two examples of how this worked will make this clearer: In 1827, Fort Leavenworth was established in the Indian Country. The land was not in a territory or state and was part of the Public Domain. The Interior Department transferred ownership to the War Department. There was no need to seek a state's approval. However, in 1861, the area was admitted to the Union as part of the state of Kansas. And the new state quickly passed legislation to permit the government to continue to own the military reservation. Of course Kansas in 1861 had every reason to approve this: aside from the military payroll, there was the little matter of the Civil War! Notice that Kansas had to approve the transfer and continuation of the fort, even though there was no question about the legal title of the fort and, even though the land had been acquired before Kansas existed as a state and had been used by the Federal Government for twenty-five years as a military garrison, the new state still had to approve the use of the property. The other example is Arlington Estate, the home of George
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. Nah, I just refuse to work on Mondays (true). Never work Mondays. It works like a charm. Yes, it is interesting how we sometimes work out ways to live with our demons -- i.e., let them rule parts of our lives -- rather than heal them, until that precise moment when we no longer do. I wonder about this inner sense of timing we have, of resistance to our own good -- fascinating! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. That was not the email of a good friend; that appears to be someone addicted to judgment and conditional love, doesn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/05 12:12:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An eviction noticed had been served and not honored. The owner of the Property had every right to remove the squatters, by any means necessary. Who was the owner of Fort Sumter? The state of South Carolina Apparently not; they sold it to the US Government, or so says the article... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but I'm fond of the guy. I told him he can think what he wants about me, but he can't stop me from loving him. Good answer :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/05 12:25:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The article below appears to give pretty convincing evidence the US Government owned Fort Sumter: Not after secession Hey, when you sell something to someone you can't just declare the bargain null and void and then try to evict them or kill them *lol* What kinda ethics they teaching you all down South, anyhow? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the States seceded, the federal government ceased to exist and therefor any properties such as forts and armories became the properties of those states. That's the biggest pile of bull I ever heard. A sale is a sale. You can't afterwards just declare the buyer to be non-existent :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the States seceded, the federal government ceased to exist and therefor any properties such as forts and armories became the properties of those states. That's the biggest pile of bull I ever heard. A sale is a sale. You can't afterwards just declare the buyer to be non-existent :-) Even though the American Indians (AFAIK) don't recognize the power of the Federal Government *over themselves* they don't try to reclaim the properties they sold to it, even though the US Gov't was guilty of innumerable treaty-breakings in their case. What excuse does South Carolina offer? This reeks of self-serving post-hoc justification to me. Though rather sympathetic to States' Rights in principle (and no great fan of a bloated and arrogant Federal Gov't), I just lost a little more respect for the South. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. Nah, I just refuse to work on Mondays (true). Never work Mondays. It works like a charm. Yes, it is interesting how we sometimes work out ways to live with our demons -- i.e., let them rule parts of our lives -- rather than heal them, until that precise moment when we no longer do. I wonder about this inner sense of timing we have, of resistance to our own good -- fascinating! I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Oh, OK. My mistake. Somehow I missed your point that you had slain them, what with your refusing to work on Mondays and complaining that ice cream makes you fat, and saying these are the real demons and all :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I guess if someone insults your guru based on false logic, it may be hard to accept for some people. I understand their position. Interesting. I don't think I have ever seen any false logic from Rick, myself. He seems pretty careful with his evidence. But I also understand his old friend's position -- it is that of the True Believer. Yes, they are becoming less numerous, at least in FF. Running into one in FF now is actually a bit of a shock these days, like suddenly hitting an iceberg after floating in a warm sea of Love. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the States seceded, the federal government ceased to exist and therefor any properties such as forts and armories became the properties of those states. That's the biggest pile of bull I ever heard. A sale is a sale. You can't afterwards just declare the buyer to be non-existent :-) UNLESS you maybe want to go the route of denying that corporations have the legal rights of people, but I would think that would completely contradict the stance of BushCo and all your neo- con friends... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. Ah, you threw his mind into a tizzy. Now his pompous little self has to sulk and feel hurt. Yes, this is interesting in that Rick's friend apparently *identifies* with his own idealized image of his Guru -- that is, his sanitized concept of MMY stands in for his own Ahamkara or small- mind ego -- which in itself I suppose is simply a subtle concept as well... He should just let go and simply be. *lol* I see what you mean, but ... *Should* he? Do we *know* this to be true? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. Nah, I just refuse to work on Mondays (true). Never work Mondays. It works like a charm. Yes, it is interesting how we sometimes work out ways to live with our demons -- i.e., let them rule parts of our lives -- rather than heal them, until that precise moment when we no longer do. I wonder about this inner sense of timing we have, of resistance to our own good -- fascinating! I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Oh, OK. My mistake. Somehow I missed your point that you had slain them, what with your refusing to work on Mondays and complaining that ice cream makes you fat, and saying these are the real demons and all :-) Well, the ice cream one I didn't slay yet. Don't think I'll bother. In the immortal words of St. Augustine, Lord, make me perfect -- but not yet :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the immortal words of St. Augustine, Lord, make me perfect -- but not yet :-) Brilliant ! ! ! Well, the actual quote is even more brilliant: Lord, make me celibate...but not yet. :-) Often translated as Lord, make me *chaste*...but not yet :-) Since food is often viewed as a substitute for sex, I wonder if one could pray for ice-cream-chastity...but not yet? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wouldn't like it much if the epithet 'cultist' was applied to you, right? If that's so, you might think about not trying to brand others with it. Just my opinion... Actually, at this point, I welcome people's pointing out any cult- like weeds in my mental garden. How else will I root them out if I am overlooking them and everyone else is too polite to give me appropriate feedback? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I guess if someone insults your guru based on false logic, it may be hard to accept for some people. I understand their position. Interesting. I don't think I have ever seen any false logic from Rick, myself. He seems pretty careful with his evidence. But I also understand his old friend's position -- it is that of the True Believer. Yes, they are becoming less numerous, at least in FF. Running into one in FF now is actually a bit of a shock these days, like suddenly hitting an iceberg after floating in a warm sea of Love. :-) You mean the kind of love that dismisses genuine anger (justifiable or not in your own eyes) with It's OK, I still love you? Not exactly, I meant what I said: the kind of Love that feels like a warm sea, until one suddenly runs into another's ice-cold fear/judgment. I wouldn't characterize the iceberg as anger, because genuine anger served truthfully still feels like warmth and Love to me. The iceberg generally feels more like extremely fearful denial -- i.e., a deep Lie -- than anger to me. Bullcrap. Immature, self-serving, I'm holier than thou, and you're an idiot for not seeing what I see, bullcrap. Could very well be. I am just saying it is a genuine shock, that's all. And it may be bullcrap to you, but I am simply describing a particular experience as best I can. At certain frequencies (other than the undifferentiated Brahmanic all-this-is-THAT) some people feel warmer to me than others, and warmer generally feels better, freer, more highly energized, more rapidly-vibrating, more humorous, more liquid, more loving at this moment. Those same icebergs may be very warm indeed in other circumstances and/or with other people - - how am I to know? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only constitutional ammendment needed right now in this country is one that says that ONLY those rights given by Congress explicitly are available to corporations. This everything but the right to vote concept is insane. Agreed on that last point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't any of you see that Rick is the one who is wrong here? Not for what he said or did that caused the anger (that's his business) but because he dismissed his friend's anger by the old copout it's OK, I still love you? Not really, no. His stance felt genuinely mature and loving to me. I don't see that he rejected anything other than his friend's rejection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/05 11:24:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even though the American Indians (AFAIK) don't recognize the power of the Federal Government *over themselves* they don't try to reclaim the properties they sold to it, even though the US Gov't was guilty of innumerable treaty-breakings in their case. What excuse does South Carolina offer? This reeks of self-serving post-hoc justification to me. Though rather sympathetic to States' Rights in principle (and no great fan of a bloated and arrogant Federal Gov't), I just lost a little more respect for the South. It doesn't matter if the State government had sold the fort to the Feds. The Feds paid for the fort with taxes taken from the people of South Carolina and other southern states. And other northern states as well. The point is, South Carolina sold it, and received money for it. To then claim that the Civil War was the War of Northern Aggression when the feds were simply retaining their property, and the feds were the ones first fired upon, seems a bit twisted to me. I have no real problem with Rebellion per se, and I am not in a hurry to declare the South unjustified; I just have a problem with what appears to be a Southern abdication of their own portion of the responsibility. As I said in my earlier post, certainly you don't think the British were entitled to keep the infrastructure they paid to build,i.e. roads, forts armories, courthouses after the colonies decided to declare independence. I don't? How do you know that? When southern states seceded, they were declaring independence from the United States, as the United States declared their independence from Great Britain. Nobody would want an uninvited foreign power with a fort in their backyard, especially at the entrance to an important harbor. The feds had been invited; South Carolina had received moneys paid for by the feds for the property. Suddenly *uninviting* the feds is a different story. However, all this is beside the point. My only real quibble was your calling it the War of Northern Aggression. I don't see how the feds' refusing to leave makes *them* the sole aggressors here. Most federal commanders had the good sense to surrender their commands in states that seceded. Most? Is that true? All federal property was retained by the states since those states declared themselves independent of the federal government. Then I suspect the states should have offered to repay the feds the money they took for the property, with interest of course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/05 11:46:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: UNLESS you maybe want to go the route of denying that corporations have the legal rights of people, but I would think that would completely contradict the stance of BushCo and all your neo- con friends... I have no idea as to how this connects into 'Who was the Aggressor in the War of Northern Aggression. It would appear you are denying that the feds had the rights any other individual would have -- to retain what was legally sold to them. By any legal standpoint I can see, the feds were perfectly justified in retaining their lawfully purchased property. Suddenly saying you don't like your neighbor and you want the property back you sold them, and shooting at them if they fail to comply, is not a legal recourse, is it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'If Rove is Finished, Is Bush Finished too?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still think Joe Wilson did more to out his wife than anybody else. Where'd you hear *that* idea? Limbaugh, Coulter, or O'Reilly? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't any of you see that Rick is the one who is wrong here? Not for what he said or did that caused the anger (that's his business) but because he dismissed his friend's anger by the old copout it's OK, I still love you? Not really, no. His stance felt genuinely mature and loving to me. I don't see that he rejected anything other than his friend's rejection. He rejected his friends emotional state and invalidated it by doing the old adult-child game. OK, true; I suppose it could be seen as a power play when looked at from your angle. That's not the way it felt to me, though; it felt like warmth and a reassuring Heart. To each his own. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's *all* Rick said, I don't think he really thought it through very well in terms of how his friend might feel after reading it. What would you or Sparaig suggest he should have said, instead? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the United States offer to repay the British for taxes spent on infrastructure in the colonies? Actually, my understanding is that a great many of the larger British financial interests were preserved intact. Noo. Most federal properties were surrendered peacefully at the time of secession. If true, this makes it if anything even less apropos to call it a War of Northern Aggression, doesn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Ii already said: I'm sorry that what I did angered you and hurt you. That looks good on the surface, but still sounds a bit as if Rick would be taking undue responsibility or blame for how his friend is feeling. How about, I am sorry you feel angered and hurt by what I did? That sounds more accurate to me. But what if Rick *doesn't* happen to be feeling sorry? Do you want him to lie? Rick could then leave the door open for future friendship ornot as he chooses, but his friend was angry and hurting and Rick dismissed it up- front, IMHO. Yes, I see what you mean, but IMHO Rick did absolutely nothing to apologize for. Since when is speaking your own Truth a crime? What kind of friend would want Rick to lie? If Rick's friend calms down, and looks beyond Rick's own one-upmanship, kudos to Rick's friend, but Rick's reaction sure wasn't friendship-based, IMHO. I believe I see where you are coming from, but we will have to agree to disagree :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Show me a precedence in which a country declaring it's independence from another, buys back it's own territory. Perhaps we can agree then that the South was declaring *its* own independence aggressively; the aggression was on the part of the South's at least as much as on the North's. Would you call our War of Independence the War of British Aggression? I certainly wouldn't. Takes two. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too polite? On *this* forum? :) Cult thinking! *rofl* Many thanks, Sal :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'If Rove is Finished, Is Bush Finished too?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/05 4:19:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where'd you hear *that* idea? Limbaugh, Coulter, or O'Reilly? I have thought this ever since this story broke. Wilson has been protesting too aggressively and at the same time profiting from it as well to be upset about something that was supposed to be a secret. I always wondered why they sent him to Niger to research WMD's links when he was a democratic party hack. It didn't sound Kosher to me from the get go. Of Course I thought it was the administration that sent him, turned out to be his own wife! Uh huh. Gospel according to Coulter -- she wanted him out of the house, right? *rofl* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not at all. The South didn't invade the South. They only ordered their former rulers to leave their territories. Again, not *their* territories; land they had legally sold to the feds. It was the Northern states that raised an army and invaded Southern states to deny them their indepedence. Only after being fired upon by the South. Again, *both* parties participated quite happily in this war. *Both* parties thought they would win in a matter of months. The South was renowned for its bellicose nature at least as much as the North was, IIRC. Again, I am not ATM disuting the South's right to rebel; only your insistence that the aggression was all on the Northern side. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All South Carolina did was stick up for it's right to independence and never forced it's will on anybody else. (check the first paragraph of the declaration of Independence). OK, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, too :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'If Rove is Finished, Is Bush Finished too?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/05 5:13:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uh huh. Gospel according to Coulter -- she wanted him out of the house, right? *rofl* I don't think it was a matter of Plame wanting hubby out of the house but rather having control over what was in the report. I'm sorry, I know it is probably stupid of me to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but Coulter et al have proven to be liars so often that I take nothing whatsoever they say seriously. This smells like another attempt at exculpatory spin to me, ATM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's *all* Rick said, I don't think he really thought it through very well in terms of how his friend might feel after reading it. What would you or Sparaig suggest he should have said, instead? Start by saying he's sorry the friend is angry with him, acknowledge that the newspaper article must have been painful for him to read, say he hopes their friendship isn't going to go down the tubes over it because he values it highly, suggest that they might agree to disagree? Sounds fair (assuming he *is* sorry and so on, as mentioned in post to Sparaig). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Ii already said: I'm sorry that what I did angered you and hurt you. That looks good on the surface, but still sounds a bit as if Rick would be taking undue responsibility or blame for how his friend is feeling. How about, I am sorry you feel angered and hurt by what I did? That sounds more accurate to me. But what if Rick *doesn't* happen to be feeling sorry? Do you want him to lie? If Rick wasn't feeling sad that his friend was hurt and upset with him due to Rick's actions, however justified Rick believes they were, then I would say that the person in question was not a friend of Rick's. This is the result when we start to get hypothetical -- in the end, all we have is a whole lot of energy spent on illusory ideas about illusory ideas :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'If Rove is Finished, Is Bush Finished too?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/05 6:01:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It wasn't his wife who sent him, and he isn't a Democratic Party hack. You've swallowed the Republican Kool-Aid, my friend. You're in denial. Sorry, no, it's documented. Ah, but you see, it wasn't documented by O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Coulter :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and I second Sparaig's rejoinder, that if he *isn't* sorry and so on, he's not much of a friend. Guess we have different definitions of friendship then :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and I second Sparaig's rejoinder, that if he *isn't* sorry and so on, he's not much of a friend. Guess we have different definitions of friendship then :-) A true friend for me is one who loves unconditionally, without a lot of rules and requirements either of us has to navigate through to earn or keep that love. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and I second Sparaig's rejoinder, that if he *isn't* sorry and so on, he's not much of a friend. Guess we have different definitions of friendship then :-) A true friend for me is one who loves unconditionally, without a lot of rules and requirements either of us has to navigate through to earn or keep that love. How does that define friendship differently from what I said? I'm not saying that feeling sorry a friend is angry and hurt and not wanting to lose the friendship are things one friend should require of another to earn or keep love; rather, they're in the nature of friendship itself, it seems to me. OK. I think I am not going to speculate further on what Rick did or did not feel, and whether those feelings or non-feelings do or do not constitute true friendship. All I can say is, if Rick had said what he said to *me*, once I got over feeling pissed at him I would be heartily glad he did not allow my rage to eclipse the love between us. And that's good enough for me. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you love someone, then their happiness is your happiness, and their sadness is your sadness... And their anger is your anger? I don't think so :-) Sorry in this case doesn't mean wish I hadn't done that but simply I am sad because you are sad. Yes, a good distinction, and well said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANger can happen, even in the bestof friendships. Of course. No argument there. Anger honestly and cleanly expressed is Truth, another form of Love. To me, the friend was implying their friendship was over, and Rick was replying that for him it wasn't. This to me is Love. It is possible I misread the nuances of the exchange. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since all we know for sure is what his friend's email said and his paraphrase of what he said back--when the exact words might make a big difference--the discussion has been pretty much hypothetical anyway, i.e., about generic friendship, Rick and Rick's friend becoming, in essence, convenient labels for two hypothetical people. So I'm hoping Rick doesn't take all this too personally--or for that matter take offense at being taken hypothetically... I'm with you... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They could and they did. Certainly you don't think that war was fought over the ownership of that Fort. You don't think the Colonies took possession of Forts and other infrastructure the British built before the Declaration of Independence?Exact same thing here, South Carolina declared themselves independent of the Federal Government and reclaimed all property used by the Feds. And called the *Feds* the aggressive ones... still blows my mind :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'If Rove is Finished, Is Bush Finished too?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still think Joe Wilson did more to out his wife than anybody else. Where'd you hear *that* idea? Limbaugh, Coulter, or O'Reilly? Never mind. I googled joe wilson out his wife and -- surprise! up comes AnnCoulter.com. Case closed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'If Rove is Finished, Is Bush Finished too?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heck, it's the whole Republican talking-points talking-head tag-team who ignore the documentation. It's not just the wingnuts, unfortunately, who are spewing this crap. Or maybe that makes them *all* wingnuts...? I don't know :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow ! That sounds like a lot of conditions. Seems like you want them to be unconditional, but not from your side. Try again. Another way to put it might be, I have no friends, and I have no enemies...:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one's love is unconditional, by definition that means one loves everybody, which means everybody is a friend--which means, ultimately, that *nobody* is a friend, because friend vs. not-friend is a distinction that no longer exists. So if we're talking about unconditional love, we're no longer talking about friendship per se. Exactly -- no friends, no enemies... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to a story I was told years ago, MMY was doing the flowers from the disciples thing when an old friend walked up. MMY and he/she were lost in coversation for a while until one of MMY's handlers reminded him that he had a line of people waiting. MMY's response was: They should know that personal love is concentrated universal love. I think that many people, no matter how enlightened, will tend to have a soft spot in their hearts for certain people that interactions with the masses won't be able to fill. To continue the solar-system analogy, every planet finds its proper distance from the Sun. Those nearby enjoy more radiant energy, and a faster orbit (and, we could posit, a correspondingly higher orbital note). And the Sun itself is in orbit around a central Sun, and enjoys relations with all the other Suns in the galaxy, and so on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: I think your participation on this forum suggests a certain amount of holding on concerning all things TM and TMO and MMY. Couldn't there be many other reasons for participating in this forum? - Patrick Gillam Yes, I think so too, Patrick. I don't feel much of a charge around TM or TMO or MMY (or Amma or Karunamayi or Saniel Bonder for that matter), but greatly enjoy living in FF and interacting with everyone here on FFL -- feels something like a soul family, I guess :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I think so too, Patrick. I don't feel much of a charge around TM or TMO or MMY (or Amma or Karunamayi or Saniel Bonder for that matter), but greatly enjoy living in FF and interacting with everyone here on FFL -- feels something like a soul family, I guess :-) For me, it's feeling, craving for something familiar, karma. ...while the world crumbles... Yes, I think family and familiar are cognate (which word itself has a familiar derivation) :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting . Thanks. Does that mean he even took the siddhis? Anyone else ever heard that Bill Gates learned TM at one time? OffWorld Just wondering why you seem to care so much that you ask again and again and again-- is this another case of your studying human fundamentalism? If so, whose? Yours, or Bill's? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits return to Kashmir (still no show in Vedic City)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vedic City is next! Maybe nature is trying to tell us something...pundits in the good ole USA may just be a fish out of water... Maybe one person's fish out of water is another person's ancathostega (early land-walking vertebrate) :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering why you seem to care so much that you ask again and again and again-- is this another case of your studying human fundamentalism? If so, whose? Yours, or Bill's? :-) Me fundamentalist? Wow, you really don't read well do you. My original question remains -- why all the (SHOUTED IN CAPS) interest in whether Bill Gates learned TM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering why you seem to care so much that you ask again and again and again-- is this another case of your studying human fundamentalism? If so, whose? Yours, or Bill's? :-) Me fundamentalist? Wow, you really don't read well do you. My original question remains -- why all the (SHOUTED IN CAPS) interest in whether Bill Gates learned TM? Actually my second question also remains, but as I really didn't expect a profoundly introspective reply from you, I am not disappointed :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BUMPPER STICKER FOR VEDANTIST
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not I Am Am Not I Not Am I Or horizontally and vertically: I Am Not Am Not I Not I Am To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering why you seem to care so much that you ask again and again and again-- is this another case of your studying human fundamentalism? If so, whose? Yours, or Bill's? :-) Me fundamentalist? Wow, you really don't read well do you. My original question remains -- why all the (SHOUTED IN CAPS) interest in whether Bill Gates learned TM? Actually my second question also remains, but as I really didn't expect a profoundly introspective reply from you, I am not disappointed :-) However, to be fair, if we use Sahgal and Yuval-Davis' definition of fundamentalism (see below), while the first feature (claiming one's version of religion to be the only true one, and feeling threatened by pluralist systems of thought) *might* well apply to you, I don't see the second feature (using political means to impose one's version of truth on all members of one's religion) in you at all, unless political means include ridicule and insults. Sahgal, Gita and Yuval-Davis, Nira (1992) Introduction: Fundamentalism, Multiculturalism and Women in Britain. In Refusing Holy Orders: Women and Fundamentalism in Britain, edited by Gita Sahgal and Nira Yuval-Davis, pp.1-25. London: Virago. Sahgal and Yuval-Davis on fundamentalism: Beyond all these differences, there are two features which are common to all fundamentalist religious movements: one, that they claim their version of religion to be the only true one, and feel threatened by pluralist systems of thought; two, that they use political means to impose their version of the truth on all members of their religion . . . Fundamentalist movements, all over the world, are basically political movements which have a religious imperative and seek in various ways, in widely differing circumstances, to harness modern state and media powers to the service of their gospel. (p.4) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering why you seem to care so much that you ask again and again and again-- is this another case of your studying human fundamentalism? If so, whose? Yours, or Bill's? :-) Me fundamentalist? Wow, you really don't read well do you. My original question remains -- why all the (SHOUTED IN CAPS) interest in whether Bill Gates learned TM? He probably wants sponsorship to be Raja OffWorld of Uranus. *lol* I think Raja Offworld has a certain ring to it -- and I must say Offworld displays considerably more maturity, equanimity, sanity and sensitivity than many historical rulers have shown (Caligula, George III, W., etc.). We could do worse :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering why you seem to care so much that you ask again and again and again-- is this another case of your studying human fundamentalism? If so, whose? Yours, or Bill's? :-) Me fundamentalist? Wow, you really don't read well do you. My original question remains -- why all the (SHOUTED IN CAPS) To test your sense of humor. It was a joke. Either my sense of humor reeks then, or yours does, or they both do :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I have become interested in the amount of well known people who have learned TM. I became amazed at how many there are everything from Sir Paul McCartney to Sir Richard Bransen (virgin records, virgin airways, first civilian flight in space-2005), from David Lynch to Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Oprah, Chopra, from Clint Eastwood to Prince Charles, past president Bill Clinton, future president Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Maggie Thatcher, William Hague (former conservative party leader), Arnold Swarzennegar, Sir Mick Jagger, (possibly the Queen of England - I had it on good authority) Woody Allen, those 3 rocker guys-I forgot the name , Steve Jobs, and now it looks like Bill Gates too? To name but a few. It seems amazing to me. Is it just a coincidence that the richest man on the planet learned TM? (although it is not 100% confirmed) Ah I see, Off -- many thanks for your detailed answer; I appreciate it :-) So could we say you are delighting in the celebrities in your spiritual family ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BUMPPER STICKER FOR VEDANTIST
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anagrams: An omit Ain't OM Ma, it on! Aim not In atom Moan it :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we are multifold, and we NEED a planet now ! OffWorldBeings *lol* Our name is legion...? BTW, Joseph Atwill has an interesting take on this New Testament phrase. This is the author who says in Caesar's Messiah that the Flavians created Christianity shortly after Jesus' end of the world (Rome's destruction of Jerusalem). He notes that Jesus' exorcism of the demons whose name was legion was reputed to have occurred in Gadara, where the Roman Legions later exorcised a number of Jewish rebels, according to Josephus. (This book is worth reading, I think.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only did it because no one answered. It was a joke but you are too dense for it. I got my answer though. It worked. If none of us got it, I suggest maybe your joke was too dense for us :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find the whole thing so pathetic and silly, and the women look so sad and defeated, that I really didn't know what to comment. Of course it's male-based--isn't Indian culture extremely biased against women? It's really too bad, as everyone loses when subtle put-downs are used to try and elevate others. I mean, look at those guys! Do they look like they're having fun? How much effort would it have cost any of them to try and get their wives the respect they are due? For a million bucks, seems like they could have gotten a Rajette or three out of it. Yes, it's interesting that no one really seems to know the word for Queen (which I suppose to be Rani) -- has the TMO not created even one? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond all these differences, there are two features which are common to all fundamentalist religious movements: one, that they claim their version of religion to be the only true one, and feel threatened by pluralist systems of thought; two, that they use political means to impose their version of the truth on all members of their religion . . . Fundamentalist movements, all over the world, are basically political movements which have a religious imperative and seek in various ways, in widely differing circumstances, to harness modern state and media powers to the service of their gospel. (p.4) OMG!!! That sounds just like TMO!!! Yes, it appears most of us here have aligned ourselves (at various times and to various degrees) with some classic, grade- A fundamentalists -- :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaizues ! You harp on and on and on about a joke that I made and call me a fundamentalist because of a joke that I made. Some sense of humor you got there bud. No, Offworld, it was not your joke, though you're right, I certainly didn't see any humor there! Mea culpa, although I generally do enjoy the high-spirited flavor of many of your posts. It is other statements you have made over time that have smelled of TM-fundamentalism or even (sorry, Judy) cultism to me: some recent examples would be your denouncing Rick as a lost yogi, maligning his logic, dismissing his evidence and experience out-of-hand because the accusers are anonymous, dismissing the reporter's opinion piece on TMO and Amma, and accusing MMY's critics of short- term thinking (a classic cult maneuver is to justify short-term abuse in the name of lofty long-term ideals; i.e., ends-justify- means enabling). To me, all of this points to a completely idealistic image of MMY that is seriously threatened by other viewpoints implying any fallibility or humanity on MMY's part, which (it seems to me) you often attempt to deny through attack, ridicule, insult, and so on. In like manner, you seem to need to cling to a self-image of invulnerability, omnipotence, and grandiosity. (Although I suppose these may all be jokes too, for all I can tell with my apparently- limited sense of humor.) If however you have been serious, I respectfully suggest that if you can open up to the paradox of MMY's being both divine *and* human, perfect *and* flawed, that you can then allow yourself the same luxury. And of course, I may be way off base, in which case you can tell me to go take a flying leap. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we are multifold, and we NEED a planet now ! OffWorldBeings *lol* Our name is legion...? BTW, Joseph Atwill has an interesting take on this New Testament phrase. This is the author who says in Caesar's Messiah that the Flavians created Christianity shortly after Jesus' end of the world (Rome's destruction of Jerusalem). He notes that Jesus' exorcism of the demons whose name was legion He didn't exorcise us, we just went to the Pleides system for our holdays. Yes, actually Atwill claims Jesus himself was an invention of the Flavians, who included a lot of in-jokes in the gospel about the Son of Man coming in the lifetime of this generation being Titus and his family, ca. 70 AD. Hence this whole our name is legion episode was a joking reference to the roman legions' evicting the jewish rebels in Gadara... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond all these differences, there are two features which are common to all fundamentalist religious movements: one, that they claim their version of religion to be the only true one, and feel threatened by pluralist systems of thought; two, that they use political means to impose their version of the truth on all members of their religion . . . Fundamentalist movements, all over the world, are basically political movements which have a religious imperative and seek in various ways, in widely differing circumstances, to harness modern state and media powers to the service of their gospel. (p.4) OMG!!! That sounds just like TMO!!! Yes, it appears most of us here have aligned ourselves (at various times and to various degrees) with some classic, grade- A fundamentalists -- :-) Wake Down or die, infidel! Alex *lol* There is no god but God, and Saniel is His prophet! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond all these differences, there are two features which are common to all fundamentalist religious movements: one, that they claim their version of religion to be the only true one, and feel threatened by pluralist systems of thought; two, that they use political means to impose their version of the truth on all members of their religion . . . Fundamentalist movements, all over the world, are basically political movements which have a religious imperative and seek in various ways, in widely differing circumstances, to harness modern state and media powers to the service of their gospel. (p.4) OMG!!! That sounds just like TMO!!! No it doesn't because anyone practicing TM can practice any religion or non-religion they want Provided, of course, it's not anything remotely Hindu/Vedic, which is off-the-program and punishable by banishment from the domes. Hey Alex, I know the TMO will excommunicate (teachers at least) for seeing Amma or Karunamayi and so on. How do they feel about Saniel Bonder? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , I know the TMO will excommunicate (teachers at least) for seeing Amma or Karunamayi and so on. snip In Fairfield while at a pundit's Durga-puja I was even told that the TMO would revoke your badge if they caught you there! (I have to say, that puja was terrific, extremely enlivening.) This really astonished me, as I have not had any dealings with the TMO for the last 23 years, and had completely forgotten that miasm of conformist fear they regularly instilled in FF. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it doesn't because anyone practicing TM can practice any religion or non-religion they want, shag chicks, or be celebate. This is a fundamantal difference, and you may be too prejudiced to see it. Offworld, if you only knew how unthinkingly prejudiced this canned response sounds to anyone who has experienced the TMO's actual attitude to competition, you would think twice before repeating it...! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It is other statements you have made over time that have smelled of TM-fundamentalism or even (sorry, Judy) cultism to me Er, Rory, are you referring to a recent response of mine to a post of Barry's in which he accused someone of cultism, by any chance? Didn't you see the quotes around it, and the Yahoo message number at the end? I didn't write it. I was quoting it. Guess who wrote it? No, Judy, I was referring to your response, where you said something to the effect that it wasn't very nice to call someone a cultist -- that it was thought-stopper. So I was apologizing to you for going ahead and invoking the c-word anyway :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
