date:20060623

  Another way to check for dehydration is to check their gums, they 
should be nice and moist and shiny and look wet.  If they are in any way 
gummy or sticky kitty is most likely dehydrated, I could never do the 
pinch test and I never trusted what I thought when I did do it.


--

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Re: testing for dehydration





Feel the gums. If tacky or dry, there is dehydration.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 8:51:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   
  <<< Do you know how to test for dehydration?  Lift the skin 
  on his scruff and make sure it bounces back quickly, if it just holds the 
  shape of your "pinch" you've got trouble. 
>>>

Re: cats who don't like moist food

2006-06-23 Thread Terri Brown





Our Salome' wouldn't eat anything that didn't come out of a bag.  
Period.
 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: gwork 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:35 
AM
  Subject: cats who don't like moist 
  food
  
  I was just wondering if anyone has 
  ever had a cat who doesn't like moist food of ANY kind??  I have two that 
  don't like anything!  Also, they don't like tuna, which I have heard of 
  before.  But I was just wondering whether anybody has experienced this, 
  and if they ever found a moist food that was liked, or also if they tried raw 
  and whether the finicky ones liked that?
   
  Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Bandy is better





I was wondering if some diluted white vinegar might have some benefit 
since it has anti-fungal properties?  This may be too harsh too so please 
don't take my word on this for cats because I haven't tried it - I'm just 
thinking out loud and wondering if anyone else had an opinion.  Wouldn't 
want to keep irritating it so I have no idea if it would help but it just seemed 
to make some sense.  Feel free to throw rocks if it's a bad idea.  
Hope he's much better soon.
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 7:21:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I don't know what else to do about the ringworm except keep putting the 
  conofite on it..I do put goldenseal on the large spot...That is what I did 
  with Inky, but he had an infection, too..I also put neosporin on top of all 
  that cause he kept it so irritated..Belinda sent some links to some good rw 
  info..and I thought about trying one of those products.  Also, someone 
  mentioned bleach, but that scares me since it is on his face..I am sure that 
  the pred eye meds aren't helping any of this...He is off the pred orally for 
  now...and his eye spec. wanted him to stay on 2.5mg, but I think for now it 
  might be best if he doesn't take oral steroids...He will get dex if he gets a 
  temp and so far he has been 9 days without one..as long as I can keep it under 
  103, we are good and he will continue to eat..I hate that I may have to take 
  his cat tower out though, but can't really chance him climbing and hurting 
  himself again...If he were to break the leg, we really would be in big 
  trouble...
  Healing thoughts and prayers to all your furr-babies...
  Kerry and Bandy
  
  
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Re: Bandy is better




In regards to the cat tower, could 
you use ramp or steps?
 
Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kerry 
  Roach 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Bandy is better
  
  I don't know what else to do about the ringworm except keep putting the 
  conofite on it..I do put goldenseal on the large spot...That is what I did 
  with Inky, but he had an infection, too..I also put neosporin on top of all 
  that cause he kept it so irritated..Belinda sent some links to some good rw 
  info..and I thought about trying one of those products.  Also, someone 
  mentioned bleach, but that scares me since it is on his face..I am sure that 
  the pred eye meds aren't helping any of this...He is off the pred orally for 
  now...and his eye spec. wanted him to stay on 2.5mg, but I think for now it 
  might be best if he doesn't take oral steroids...He will get dex if he gets a 
  temp and so far he has been 9 days without one..as long as I can keep it under 
  103, we are good and he will continue to eat..I hate that I may have to take 
  his cat tower out though, but can't really chance him climbing and hurting 
  himself again...If he were to break the leg, we really would be in big 
  trouble...
  Healing thoughts and prayers to all your furr-babies...
  Kerry and Bandy
  
  
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testing for dehydration




 
<<< Do you know how to test for dehydration?  Lift the skin 
on his scruff and make sure it bounces back quickly, if it just holds the shape 
of your "pinch" you've got trouble. >>>
 
I have only had one experience with 
this, but it was not a good one.  The tech tested Spaz this way and her 
skin acted normal, but she was in fact severely dehydrated.  She had not 
drank anything in days.  She had thick, stringy saliva and the second vet 
noticed foul breath.
 
Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Bandy is better





Kerry,
It's funny you should mention the neosporin because I was just
wondering if it might help.  I figured someone would have told you if
it did.  It made a difference with the flea allergies we've had to
contend with here.  I've never had any experience with rw, (thank
goodness).  That's great news about his temp staying normal for 9 days,
keep it up little man!  How is his eyesight?  Does it seem like he's
seeing more?  It seems to me that he should start being more cautious
about high places, but, you're right it doesn't seem like it's worth
taking the chance.  Maybe you could fashion him a new bed, or a
different sort of perch to make up for it?  I always make a big fuss
about how the new bed is just for so and so.  Not that it keeps the
rest of the gang off it necessarily, but it makes whoever's getting the
present feel special.
Hugs and prayers,
Nina

Kerry Roach wrote:

  I don't know what else to do about the ringworm except keep
putting the conofite on it..I do put goldenseal on the large
spot...That is what I did with Inky, but he had an infection, too..I
also put neosporin on top of all that cause he kept it so
irritated..Belinda sent some links to some good rw info..and I thought
about trying one of those products.  Also, someone mentioned bleach,
but that scares me since it is on his face..I am sure that the pred eye
meds aren't helping any of this...He is off the pred orally for
now...and his eye spec. wanted him to stay on 2.5mg, but I think for
now it might be best if he doesn't take oral steroids...He will get dex
if he gets a temp and so far he has been 9 days without one..as long as
I can keep it under 103, we are good and he will continue to eat..I
hate that I may have to take his cat tower out though, but can't really
chance him climbing and hurting himself again...If he were to break the
leg, we really would be in big trouble...
  Healing thoughts and prayers to all your furr-babies...
  Kerry and Bandy

Re: cats who don't like moist food

Yeah, I have few overweight, too, and that's why I'm trying to switch more 
to canned now that I know it is healthy and so much lower in calories. 
Fortunately, the overweight ones like anything (partly why they're 
overweight I suppose lol) and the ones who only eat dry are pretty good. 
But it's hard to have dry for them and try to keep the others on moist only, 
so I was hoping to get them off of it.  I think I'll try some of the raw 
stuff and see.  I agree they would be more likely to eat it if no dry was 
available!  I cannot tell you how encouraging it is to me that your cat lost 
5 lbs. over a year and a half!!  I have a couple who could stand to lose a 
good 3-4 pounds, so I'm hoping we'll finally get somewhere now that I have 
learned some more things.


Thanks for your input, as well as everyone else's, too,  and sorry your cats 
keep getting sick!!


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: cats who don't like moist food


   Buddie when she was younger would not eat anything but dry and she was 
picky about which dry.  She wouldn't eat chicken, beef, most any table 
food.  She did like bacon, and potatoe chips.  When she got extremely over 
weight and I had no choice but to put her on a diet, dry was out.  Dry 
food is the worst for cats, and I wish I could get my 2 dry food junkies 
off it.


To my amazement she started eating the canned all on her own, I wasn't 
putting out dry except in the evening, I guess she quickly decided she 
didn't like being hungry all day and started nibbling on the wet.  After a 
few days of noticing her eating wet, I stopped feeding dry all together. 
When she was eating good and losing weight, I stupidly starting putting 
out dry for the 2 junkies, but Buddie never again ate the dry, she lost 5 
pounds over a year and a half and was doing great until she got liver 
cancer shortly thereafter.


I'm still trying to get the two 2 junkies (both who by the way are 
overweight and the only ones who are overweight), off of the dry.  Every 
time I decide I'm going to get my guys on better food, somebody gets sick 
with something really bad, I'm almost afraid to try again.  Before Buddie 
got sick I was trying to switch all to raw.  Before Bailey got sick I was 
trying to switch the ones who wouldn't eat raw to a better canned.  And 
immediately after losing Bailey, Fred comes up hyperthyroid and CRF!!


--

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Re: Bandy is better

I don't know what else to do about the ringworm except keep putting the conofite on it..I do put goldenseal on the large spot...That is what I did with Inky, but he had an infection, too..I also put neosporin on top of all that cause he kept it so irritated..Belinda sent some links to some good rw info..and I thought about trying one of those products.  Also, someone mentioned bleach, but that scares me since it is on his face..I am sure that the pred eye meds aren't helping any of this...He is off the pred orally for now...and his eye spec. wanted him to stay on 2.5mg, but I think for now it might be best if he doesn't take oral steroids...He will get dex if he gets a temp and so far he has been 9 days without one..as long as I can keep it under 103, we are good and he will continue to eat..I hate that I may have to take his cat tower out though, but can't really chance him climbing and hurting himself again...If he were to break the leg, we really would be in
 big trouble...  Healing thoughts and prayers to all your furr-babies...  Kerry and Bandy 
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Re: Shakiti Update

I agree - I just didn't want her to think that absolutely, without a doubt, 
if she is for some reason unable to get food into him, that he will be in 
serious trouble and utterly panic.  Kind of along the lines of that panic 
thing we are dissatisfied with the vet community about.  At least to me, 
anyway.  I am fortunate that my vets did warn me about it, but one almost 
went ballistic and scared me panic-like, and, in my opinion, unnecessarily. 
But like I said, I would definitely do the syringe feeding.  Like you said, 
no sense in taking any unnecessary risk.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Shakiti Update



 but Spaz has twice gone for days without eating and not had a
problem  

This is true, I too have had sick cats that didn't want to eat much, but 
they were eating something and they were fine.  Every cat is different and 
you never know which category your cat is going to fall into.  It is 
absolutely a fact that some cats will be direly sick after not eating for 
only 2 days, so to me the risk isn't worth the possibility.   And it is 
amazing how many vets don't warn people about this!!


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Re: Chatty update

2006-06-23 Thread jenmeyer

Thanks, Michelle!  That's good to know...I thought I heard the vet tech
read off something about finding "squamous" cells in the culture they
took from his nose...but I guess I have to wait until Monday to get the
final results as the culture has to be sent off to a lab.  Chatty just
finished his second day of fluids/iv baytril and he's doing much
better...he's definitely not as stuffed up as he was a few days ago and
he ate a whole can of Fancy Feast without any encouragement!!  I'm still
keeping my fingers crossed!  :)

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

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- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:31 am
Subject: Re: Chatty update
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

> I know that someone on the lymphoma group had a cat with nasal 
> lymphoma who  
> got it treated (chemo or radiation or both, not sure), and he did 
> really well  
> for a few years after that.
> Michelle
>

Re: Shakiti Update





Thank you so much, Kerry.  We've made it through round two and so far 
so good.  That is so funny about insisting on being 
finger-fed.  I think cats understand a lot more about what's 
going on than most people give them credit for...they really do understand 
when you are trying to help them.
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 6:03:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Sending positives vibes by the 
  zillion for Shakiti's appetite to just get better and better. (I've always 
  found finger feeding easier than syringe -- there's something very satisfying 
  about having them lick it off your finger too. I recall someone (who was that, 
  guys?) in the group making us chuckle about her kitty who got to like the 
  finger-feel method so much that he still insisted on it way after he got 
  better--wouldn't eat any other way!
  Kerry
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:39 
PM
Subject: Re: Shakiti Update


I put just a tiny bit of the a/d on my finger...held the boy and talked 
to him and then put that tiny bit just inside his teeth and he ate it.  
I told him how good and how smart he was.  He just looked like his 
tummy was bothering him (the ears were a dead give-a-way) but he held 
it down for 30 minutes and that is the best we've done so far.  I'm not 
going to rush it at all because I want it to stay down - but in about 30 
minutes or so I think I'll give him another bite.  It might make him 
feel better just to have a little something in his tummy if he can keep 
it in there.
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 1:26:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I 
  just started to respond to your other email and was going to tell you I 
  felt a whole lot better about Shakiti after you told me you had withheld 
  food when you got home.  It sounds like he just has to have his 
  appetite jump-started.  I sure do hope so.  He may be less 
  likely to want to eat after being left at the vet's again.  Poor guy, 
  he must be a nervous wreck.  Do your best to be calm and optimistic 
  Elizabeth, he'll pick up on your tension level and respond 
  accordingly.  Give him some time to relax when you get him home and 
  tell him if he eats, you won't have to bring him to the vet's again!  
  When and if you attempt the assist feeding, think of it like feeding a 
  baby, (an uncooperative one with claws!).  I think 1cc may be a 
  little too much to try "squirting" in his mouth at a time, go very slow 
  and let him taste it and decide if he may actually be hungry after 
  all.  Have a small plate ready to shove under his nose if he seems 
  interested, he may just start eating on his own.  Remember to breathe 
  when you watch his response!  I'd start with baby food because most 
  cats like that and there's a better chance you'll pique his hunger.  
  Instead of attempting the assist-feeding, see if you can gently finger or 
  spoon a little food into his mouth to entice him to eat.If you are 
  going to tempt him with cream, pick him up some goat's milk at the grocery 
  store when you get the baby food.  It's better for them than cow's 
  milk, get the fresh instead of the canned if they have it.  You might 
  as well stock up on yummy things to temp him with while your there, so go 
  ahead and get the cow's cream, sour cream, yogurt, fresh salmon, if he 
  likes fish, a chick breast if he likes chicken etc., baby food, (meat 
  flavors, no veggies or grains), and any other sort of human food you think 
  he'll like.  Dice the raw chicken/meat into very small pieces and pop 
  a tablespoon into the microwave to just warm it, the edges will change 
  color, but most of it will still be raw.  Make sure it's not to hot 
  and hopefully the aroma will get him eating.  I hesitate to say it, 
  but I have a very good feeling that your little trouble maker is going to 
  be fine.  P.S.  I like most of what you've told us about 
  your vet, but I don't care what he says about it being okay for Shakiti to 
  not eat for a couple of days, do your best to get him eating again.  
  Do you know how to test for dehydration?  Lift the skin on his scruff 
  and make sure it bounces back quickly, if it just holds the shape of your 
  "pinch" you've got trouble.Nina

Re: Mama Kitty and Shakiti Update





I'm with you on the bunny thing.  She has never hurt any wild 
creatures before - and I keep 10 bird feeders (it's cat TV ya know).  Even 
with baby birds on my porch 3 feet from the front door she's never 
before had the slightest inclination to do harm.  Mama is the only one 
who goes outside unescorted. 
 
I have baby bunnies every year (usually in the oregano patch) and I'm not 
sure how many are in a litter.  I think I may keep her in over the 
weekend.  She usually stays right on the porch and never leaves the yard 
but she's been a very bad girl these past 3 days.  I found her this 
afternoon underneath the pompous grass and so I'm wondering if that isn't where 
the bunnies are.  It's hard to scold her when she is so radiant...feeling 
good and so proud of herself.
 
Yes - the B12 shot was the only reason Mama went in today (that and to 
weigh) - but you are right there is no reason why I couldn't learn to do that 
myself.  To be honest, lately I've thought that with so many cats it might 
not be a bad idea to train as a vet tech.  (of course, I have about as much 
spare time as an ant at a picnic).  I will ask the doctor about 
that.  He only charges me about $10 for the shot anyway - and I couldn't 
ask for one who is more understanding.
 
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 5:48:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm glad 
  to hear MK is doing better, although I do feel bad for those bunnies.  
  Are you giving her the b12 shots at home?  Is that the only reason she 
  had to go to the vet?  There not hard to do, they're given subq.  
  Why don't you ask your vet to show you how?  How many bunnies do they 
  usually have at a time?  Do you think there are any left?  I know 
  your cats would be terribly upset if you kept them confined, (just long enough 
  for those bunnies to learn how to run!), but...  I keep my kids in when 
  baby bird season is in full swing., (they all come in at night anyway).  
  Ursula has a bell on her that is so large it seems to be dragged rather than 
  carried, but it doesn't stop her from catching the fledglings.  It takes 
  about two days of me telling them sorry, Momma likes the birds alive, but they 
  get the picture that I'm not going to relent and let them outside and settle 
  down.It's very troubling that Shakiti isn't able to hold any food in 
  his belly.  I sure hope that changes with the AD.  Sweet little 
  lamb.  Let's not even talk about vet bills!  I swear I'm putting 
  their kids through college all on my own.  I'll be thinking of you 
  guys,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  


We just got back from the vet's.  Mama Kitty has gained another 
1/4th pound this week!  She must be feeling a lot better since she 
brought me headless baby bunny #3 for the 3rd day in a row :-/  It 
absolutely kills me that she does that but she presents them with such pride 
in her eyes at the front door where they may be properly showcased.  
Doesn't seem that the new collar with the bell is much deterrent.  I've 
never known her to bring gifts before - I must be very special indeed.
 
We are through with the Acemannan treatments for now and just 
continuing with B12 shots as her only treatment..besides consideration to 
diet and supplements.  I don't see any sign of her 3rd eyelid anymore 
and she's eating her dry food and almost a whole little can of food 
every day.  She seems as healthy and alert as I have ever seen 
her.
 
Shakiti is home.  He instinctively went to the community 
buffet but after a minute gave a little yowl and then barfed. (Shakiti 
normally communicates with this same yowl...even if he just wants 
someone to play with him or he is talking to his 'spirit friends' that no 
one else can see...)   I'm going to get him settled in 
and let his tummy settle down and then try to get some of the A/C 
down him with some gentle coaxing tonight.  I also have some other 
goodies for him that might be easy on the tummy.  I'm just trying to 
keep things quiet and calm.
 
My vet is $350 richer this week but it's a small price to pay for piece 
of mind that my kids are ok.  You guys helped me to feel I did the 
right thing in taking the floss incident seriously and we very well could 
have saved his life.  Thank you all for being there and for the 
excellent suggestions on the food, etc. and the moral support.  
 
elizabeth

Re: Shakiti Update

2006-06-23 Thread Kerry MacKenzie




Sending positives vibes by the 
zillion for Shakiti's appetite to just get better and better. (I've always found 
finger feeding easier than syringe -- there's something very satisfying about 
having them lick it off your finger too. I recall someone (who was that, guys?) 
in the group making us chuckle about her kitty who got to like the finger-feel 
method so much that he still insisted on it way after he got better--wouldn't 
eat any other way!
Kerry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:39 PM
  Subject: Re: Shakiti Update
  
  
  I put just a tiny bit of the a/d on my finger...held the boy and talked 
  to him and then put that tiny bit just inside his teeth and he ate it.  I 
  told him how good and how smart he was.  He just looked like his tummy 
  was bothering him (the ears were a dead give-a-way) but he held it down 
  for 30 minutes and that is the best we've done so far.  I'm not going to 
  rush it at all because I want it to stay down - but in about 30 minutes or so 
  I think I'll give him another bite.  It might make him feel better just 
  to have a little something in his tummy if he can keep it in there.
   
  In a message dated 6/23/2006 1:26:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I just 
started to respond to your other email and was going to tell you I felt a 
whole lot better about Shakiti after you told me you had withheld food when 
you got home.  It sounds like he just has to have his appetite 
jump-started.  I sure do hope so.  He may be less likely to want 
to eat after being left at the vet's again.  Poor guy, he must be a 
nervous wreck.  Do your best to be calm and optimistic Elizabeth, he'll 
pick up on your tension level and respond accordingly.  Give him some 
time to relax when you get him home and tell him if he eats, you won't have 
to bring him to the vet's again!  When and if you attempt the assist 
feeding, think of it like feeding a baby, (an uncooperative one with 
claws!).  I think 1cc may be a little too much to try "squirting" in 
his mouth at a time, go very slow and let him taste it and decide if he may 
actually be hungry after all.  Have a small plate ready to shove under 
his nose if he seems interested, he may just start eating on his own.  
Remember to breathe when you watch his response!  I'd start with baby 
food because most cats like that and there's a better chance you'll pique 
his hunger.  Instead of attempting the assist-feeding, see if you can 
gently finger or spoon a little food into his mouth to entice him to 
eat.If you are going to tempt him with cream, pick him up some 
goat's milk at the grocery store when you get the baby food.  It's 
better for them than cow's milk, get the fresh instead of the canned if they 
have it.  You might as well stock up on yummy things to temp him with 
while your there, so go ahead and get the cow's cream, sour cream, yogurt, 
fresh salmon, if he likes fish, a chick breast if he likes chicken etc., 
baby food, (meat flavors, no veggies or grains), and any other sort of human 
food you think he'll like.  Dice the raw chicken/meat into very small 
pieces and pop a tablespoon into the microwave to just warm it, the edges 
will change color, but most of it will still be raw.  Make sure it's 
not to hot and hopefully the aroma will get him eating.  I hesitate to 
say it, but I have a very good feeling that your little trouble maker is 
going to be fine.  P.S.  I like most of what you've told 
us about your vet, but I don't care what he says about it being okay for 
Shakiti to not eat for a couple of days, do your best to get him eating 
again.  Do you know how to test for dehydration?  Lift the skin on 
his scruff and make sure it bounces back quickly, if it just holds the shape 
of your "pinch" you've got trouble.Nina

Re: Bandy is better

2006-06-23 Thread Kerry MacKenzie




That is just the best news, Kerry!
We're all celebrating with you.
big hugs to Bandy, Kerry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kerry 
  Roach 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:15 AM
  Subject: Bandy is better
  
  Well, I think Bandy has finally turned the corner after 10 awful days..I 
  don't want to jinx him as usually when I report something good...something 
  else happens..But I wanted you all to know..On Wed..I found him sitting up in 
  his bed for the first time in about 10 days..then about 5am on Thurs morning, 
  he was walking all over the room and followed me around...actually talking to 
  me which is always a good sign..The leg is still sore, but he is using it some 
  now and not dragging it around anymore..He has lost around a pound..he is down 
  to 7#2.5oz. so now I have to try to get him fattened up again..I guess the 
  1000cc of fluid that he has had in the last week is what kept him going...I 
  took him in on Thurs. for another adequan injection..so we are on hold for the 
  metacam for now..I give him torbutrol for pain if he needs it...his temp was 
  102.8, but that is where it has been for the last week so that is good for 
  him..I don't know if I mentioned this, but Tues. we put him on 2cc of 
  clindamycin twice a day which is a mega dose for a bone infection just in case 
  that is what was causing some of this..I have had one of those in the past and 
  they don't always show up on xray..I asked her if we could do this just in 
  case that was what was causing all this leg problem so I don't know if that is 
  what has made the difference or not..but it sure won't hurt..
  Anyway, I really appreciate you all being here as you always are during a 
  difficult time..you never know when you are going to need the info and it 
  always helps to have it on hand...You guys are the greatest!!
  Thanks again,
  Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and Snoopy
  
  
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Re: Shakiti Update





What a good boy!  And what a good Momma too!  Thanks for letting us
know.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  I put just a tiny bit of the a/d on my finger...held the boy and
talked to him and then put that tiny bit just inside his teeth and he
ate it.  I told him how good and how smart he was.  He just looked like
his tummy was bothering him (the ears were a dead give-a-way) but he
held it down for 30 minutes and that is the best we've done so far. 
I'm not going to rush it at all because I want it to stay down - but in
about 30 minutes or so I think I'll give him another bite.  It might
make him feel better just to have a little something in his tummy if he
can keep it in there.

Re: Bandy is better


Kerry,
I wonder if there is something, I don't know, maybe some homeopathic 
remedy that we're missing to help him with this darn rw.  That's 
wonderful that there are no infections because of it, always a worry 
with immune compromised guys.  Nasty stuff, leave our Bandy alone!!!

Nina

Kerry Roach wrote:

 
Nina, the ringworm is better in places, but has spread to some 
more...no skin infections so far though...I guess I will just keep on 
putting meds on it til hopefully it will go away..He has one big spot 
on the back of his neck now...and still around his eyes...

Thanks again everyone!
Head butts to you all,
Kerry and Bandy

Re: Mama Kitty and Shakiti Update





I'm glad to hear MK is doing better, although I do feel bad for those
bunnies.  Are you giving her the b12 shots at home?  Is that the only
reason she had to go to the vet?  There not hard to do, they're given
subq.  Why don't you ask your vet to show you how?  How many bunnies do
they usually have at a time?  Do you think there are any left?  I know
your cats would be terribly upset if you kept them confined, (just long
enough for those bunnies to learn how to run!), but...  I keep my kids
in when baby bird season is in full swing., (they all come in at night
anyway).  Ursula has a bell on her that is so large it seems to be
dragged rather than carried, but it doesn't stop her from catching the
fledglings.  It takes about two days of me telling them sorry, Momma
likes the birds alive, but they get the picture that I'm not going to
relent and let them outside and settle down.

It's very troubling that Shakiti isn't able to hold any food in his
belly.  I sure hope that changes with the AD.  Sweet little lamb. 
Let's not even talk about vet bills!  I swear I'm putting their kids
through college all on my own.  I'll be thinking of you guys,
Nina


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  We just got back from the vet's.  Mama Kitty has gained another
1/4th pound this week!  She must be feeling a lot better since she
brought me headless baby bunny #3 for the 3rd day in a row :-/  It
absolutely kills me that she does that but she presents them with such
pride in her eyes at the front door where they may be properly
showcased.  Doesn't seem that the new collar with the bell is much
deterrent.  I've never known her to bring gifts before - I must be very
special indeed.
   
  We are through with the Acemannan treatments for now and just
continuing with B12 shots as her only treatment..besides consideration
to diet and supplements.  I don't see any sign of her 3rd eyelid
anymore and she's eating her dry food and almost a whole little can of
food every day.  She seems as healthy and alert as I have ever seen her.
   
  Shakiti is home.  He instinctively went to the community
buffet but after a minute gave a little yowl and then barfed. (Shakiti
normally communicates with this same yowl...even if he just wants
someone to play with him or he is talking to his 'spirit friends' that
no one else can see...)   I'm going to get him settled in and let his
tummy settle down and then try to get some of the A/C down him
with some gentle coaxing tonight.  I also have some other goodies for
him that might be easy on the tummy.  I'm just trying to keep things
quiet and calm.
   
  My vet is $350 richer this week but it's a small price to pay
for piece of mind that my kids are ok.  You guys helped me to feel I
did the right thing in taking the floss incident seriously and we very
well could have saved his life.  Thank you all for being there and for
the excellent suggestions on the food, etc. and the moral support.  
   
  elizabeth

Re: Shakiti Update





I put just a tiny bit of the a/d on my finger...held the boy and talked to 
him and then put that tiny bit just inside his teeth and he ate it.  I told 
him how good and how smart he was.  He just looked like his tummy was 
bothering him (the ears were a dead give-a-way) but he held it down for 30 
minutes and that is the best we've done so far.  I'm not going to rush it 
at all because I want it to stay down - but in about 30 minutes or so I think 
I'll give him another bite.  It might make him feel better just to have a 
little something in his tummy if he can keep it in there.
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 1:26:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I just 
  started to respond to your other email and was going to tell you I felt a 
  whole lot better about Shakiti after you told me you had withheld food when 
  you got home.  It sounds like he just has to have his appetite 
  jump-started.  I sure do hope so.  He may be less likely to want to 
  eat after being left at the vet's again.  Poor guy, he must be a nervous 
  wreck.  Do your best to be calm and optimistic Elizabeth, he'll pick up 
  on your tension level and respond accordingly.  Give him some time to 
  relax when you get him home and tell him if he eats, you won't have to bring 
  him to the vet's again!  When and if you attempt the assist feeding, 
  think of it like feeding a baby, (an uncooperative one with claws!).  I 
  think 1cc may be a little too much to try "squirting" in his mouth at a time, 
  go very slow and let him taste it and decide if he may actually be hungry 
  after all.  Have a small plate ready to shove under his nose if he seems 
  interested, he may just start eating on his own.  Remember to breathe 
  when you watch his response!  I'd start with baby food because most cats 
  like that and there's a better chance you'll pique his hunger.  Instead 
  of attempting the assist-feeding, see if you can gently finger or spoon a 
  little food into his mouth to entice him to eat.If you are going to 
  tempt him with cream, pick him up some goat's milk at the grocery store when 
  you get the baby food.  It's better for them than cow's milk, get the 
  fresh instead of the canned if they have it.  You might as well stock up 
  on yummy things to temp him with while your there, so go ahead and get the 
  cow's cream, sour cream, yogurt, fresh salmon, if he likes fish, a chick 
  breast if he likes chicken etc., baby food, (meat flavors, no veggies or 
  grains), and any other sort of human food you think he'll like.  Dice the 
  raw chicken/meat into very small pieces and pop a tablespoon into the 
  microwave to just warm it, the edges will change color, but most of it will 
  still be raw.  Make sure it's not to hot and hopefully the aroma will get 
  him eating.  I hesitate to say it, but I have a very good feeling that 
  your little trouble maker is going to be fine.  P.S.  I like 
  most of what you've told us about your vet, but I don't care what he says 
  about it being okay for Shakiti to not eat for a couple of days, do your best 
  to get him eating again.  Do you know how to test for dehydration?  
  Lift the skin on his scruff and make sure it bounces back quickly, if it just 
  holds the shape of your "pinch" you've got 
trouble.Nina

Mama Kitty and Shakiti Update





We just got back from the vet's.  Mama Kitty has gained another 1/4th 
pound this week!  She must be feeling a lot better since she brought me 
headless baby bunny #3 for the 3rd day in a row :-/  It absolutely kills me 
that she does that but she presents them with such pride in her eyes at the 
front door where they may be properly showcased.  Doesn't seem that the new 
collar with the bell is much deterrent.  I've never known her to bring 
gifts before - I must be very special indeed.
 
We are through with the Acemannan treatments for now and just continuing 
with B12 shots as her only treatment..besides consideration to diet and 
supplements.  I don't see any sign of her 3rd eyelid anymore and she's 
eating her dry food and almost a whole little can of food every day.  
She seems as healthy and alert as I have ever seen her.
 
Shakiti is home.  He instinctively went to the community 
buffet but after a minute gave a little yowl and then barfed. (Shakiti 
normally communicates with this same yowl...even if he just wants someone 
to play with him or he is talking to his 'spirit friends' that no one else can 
see...)   I'm going to get him settled in and let his tummy 
settle down and then try to get some of the A/C down him with some 
gentle coaxing tonight.  I also have some other goodies for him that might 
be easy on the tummy.  I'm just trying to keep things quiet and calm.
 
My vet is $350 richer this week but it's a small price to pay for piece of 
mind that my kids are ok.  You guys helped me to feel I did the right thing 
in taking the floss incident seriously and we very well could have 
saved his life.  Thank you all for being there and for the excellent 
suggestions on the food, etc. and the moral support.  
 
elizabeth
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 1:26:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I just 
  started to respond to your other email and was going to tell you I felt a 
  whole lot better about Shakiti after you told me you had withheld food when 
  you got home.  It sounds like he just has to have his appetite 
  jump-started.  I sure do hope so.  He may be less likely to want to 
  eat after being left at the vet's again.  Poor guy, he must be a nervous 
  wreck.  Do your best to be calm and optimistic Elizabeth, he'll pick up 
  on your tension level and respond accordingly.  Give him some time to 
  relax when you get him home and tell him if he eats, you won't have to bring 
  him to the vet's again!  When and if you attempt the assist feeding, 
  think of it like feeding a baby, (an uncooperative one with claws!).  I 
  think 1cc may be a little too much to try "squirting" in his mouth at a time, 
  go very slow and let him taste it and decide if he may actually be hungry 
  after all.  Have a small plate ready to shove under his nose if he seems 
  interested, he may just start eating on his own.  Remember to breathe 
  when you watch his response!  I'd start with baby food because most cats 
  like that and there's a better chance you'll pique his hunger.  Instead 
  of attempting the assist-feeding, see if you can gently finger or spoon a 
  little food into his mouth to entice him to eat.If you are going to 
  tempt him with cream, pick him up some goat's milk at the grocery store when 
  you get the baby food.  It's better for them than cow's milk, get the 
  fresh instead of the canned if they have it.  You might as well stock up 
  on yummy things to temp him with while your there, so go ahead and get the 
  cow's cream, sour cream, yogurt, fresh salmon, if he likes fish, a chick 
  breast if he likes chicken etc., baby food, (meat flavors, no veggies or 
  grains), and any other sort of human food you think he'll like.  Dice the 
  raw chicken/meat into very small pieces and pop a tablespoon into the 
  microwave to just warm it, the edges will change color, but most of it will 
  still be raw.  Make sure it's not to hot and hopefully the aroma will get 
  him eating.  I hesitate to say it, but I have a very good feeling that 
  your little trouble maker is going to be fine.  P.S.  I like 
  most of what you've told us about your vet, but I don't care what he says 
  about it being okay for Shakiti to not eat for a couple of days, do your best 
  to get him eating again.  Do you know how to test for dehydration?  
  Lift the skin on his scruff and make sure it bounces back quickly, if it just 
  holds the shape of your "pinch" you've got trouble.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


Just talked to my vet and he says that all of Shakiti's vitals are good 
and his white count is low.  He's going to give him something like 
pepci AC (in fact - he says you can give kitties about 1/4th of a pepcid ac 
tablet) and gave him a shot of Baytril.  I'm going to pick him up 
at 3 and I'll get all the details.  He's sending me home with two meds 
to give him for a week - one is a sulfa drug (probably Albon) and the other 
one

Re: Bandy is better





Thank you for letting us know - so glad he is better.  All good 
thoughts with you 
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 4:17:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Well, I think Bandy has finally turned the corner after 10 awful days..I 
  don't want to jinx him as usually when I report something good...something 
  else happens..But I wanted you all to know..On Wed..I found him sitting up in 
  his bed for the first time in about 10 days..then about 5am on Thurs morning, 
  he was walking all over the room and followed me around...actually talking to 
  me which is always a good sign..The leg is still sore, but he is using it some 
  now and not dragging it around anymore..He has lost around a pound..he is down 
  to 7#2.5oz. so now I have to try to get him fattened up again..I guess the 
  1000cc of fluid that he has had in the last week is what kept him going...I 
  took him in on Thurs. for another adequan injection..so we are on hold for the 
  metacam for now..I give him torbutrol for pain if he needs it...his temp was 
  102.8, but that is where it has been for the last week so that is good for 
  him..I don't know if I mentioned this, but Tues. we put him on 2cc of 
  clindamycin twice a day which is a mega dose for a bone infection just in case 
  that is what was causing some of this..I have had one of those in the past and 
  they don't always show up on xray..I asked her if we could do this just in 
  case that was what was causing all this leg problem so I don't know if that is 
  what has made the difference or not..but it sure won't hurt..
  Anyway, I really appreciate you all being here as you always are during a 
  difficult time..you never know when you are going to need the info and it 
  always helps to have it on hand...You guys are the greatest!!
  Thanks again,
  Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and Snoopy
  
  
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Re: Bandy is better

   Nina, the ringworm is better in places, but has spread to some more...no skin infections so far though...I guess I will just keep on putting meds on it til hopefully it will go away..He has one big spot on the back of his neck now...and still around his eyes...  Thanks again everyone!  Head butts to you all,  Kerry and Bandy 
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Re: Shakiti Update

Elizabeth,

I've had to syringe feed three cats in the past few
months, and I can't do it the way the professionals
do, with kitty between my legs.  I've always had luck
doing it like Belinda does, holding them like a baby. 
I'm more comfortable with that position.  It's not
hard.  Just make sure they are not horizontal, so the
food goes down and they don't choke.  The A/D is an
excellent choice for syringe feeding as they all said
before, it's so smooth.  Syringe feed slowly.  I could
get about 3-5 syringes on average down kitty at a
time, depending on the situation.  It would take me
about 2-3 minutes per syringe, maybe less (I never
timed it).  Too fast, and they can't swallow fast
enough and will choke.  Too slow and they are more apt
to put up a fight if they aren't kept busy swallowing.
 It's pretty easy-you will know how fast to go and how
much to give.  Shakiti will let you know!  These last
two kitties that I had that were sick finally started
eating on their own, one after about five days, the
other after about two.  I think they both had
infections (URI and a (dog bite/puncture?) wound in
the armpit).  You will do fine with Shakiti.  Try to
be confident though.  If you act scared or unsure,
Shakiti might pick up on it.  I'd come over for you to
practice on, but it would be half a day before I could
get there.  ;)   Texas is a bit far from Alabama! 
Plus, I'm probably too big for you to hold like a
baby.  hehe.  Let us know how it goes.

:)
Wendy

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Re: Shakiti Update

   Basically syringe feeding is where you get a syringe from your vet, 
it can range in size from 3cc's to 60cc's.  I used the 20cc's when I had 
to syringe feed Bailey.  The easiest food to syringe is AD, it is very 
smooth and generally you can syringe it without thinning it with water.  
Some people blend it first, I used to just stir it and suck it up into 
the syringe, if it is too hard to suck up, just add alittle water, as 
little as is needed to syringe, you want to get as many calories into 
them as possible.


With Bailey I would pick him up and hold him like you would a baby, kind 
of cradled on his back, but I held him up so he was kind of vertical.  
Then syringe about 1cc in at a time giving him time to swallow.  Always 
go on the side of their mouth never from the front so you don't choke 
them.  Slip the syringe in the side of his mouth and slowly squirt in 
about 1cc, let him swallow then syringe in another cc.  Some cats don't 
mind it, some hate it.  Bailey hated it so after about a week and a half 
of him hating me I got a feeding tube put in, it was much less stressful 
for him to be fed through the tube.  Most cats do take some time to get 
used to it and eventually do, with Bailey the stress was bad being he 
was FeLV+, and I had dealt with a feeding tube before and it worked 
wonderfully (Buddie had a feeding tubewhen she had the liver cancer).


Here are a few links that may explain it better:

http://www.gorbzilla.com/syringe_feeding_faq.htm

http://assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm

Here's another way to do it as described by someone else who has syringe 
fed:


http://www.geocities.com/feline_squamous_cell_cancer/Syringe_feeding.html#syringe

Hopefully Shakiti will start eating on his own.  With Buddie while she 
was sick and before her feeding tube was put in, I would dish up fancy 
feast, a tablespoon at a time and offer it to her every 15 minutes.  She 
would lick a tiny bit each time, and each time a bit more.  I cried the 
first time she ate the whole tablespoon full!  I took about 3 weeks of 
this to finally get her eating normal again, which was risky but I kept 
a very close eye on her eye whites and the inside of her ears make sure 
they weren't getting yellow.  It was later in her illness when she was 
getting jaundice during another bad episode that I had the feeding tube 
put in and she really loved it, but that's another story!




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Re: Shakiti Update





I just started to respond to your other email and was going to tell you
I felt a whole lot better about Shakiti after you told me you had
withheld food when you got home.  It sounds like he just has to have
his appetite jump-started.  I sure
do hope so.  He may be less likely to want to eat after being left at
the vet's again.  Poor guy, he must be a nervous wreck.  Do your best
to be calm and optimistic Elizabeth, he'll pick up on your tension
level and respond
accordingly.  Give him some time to relax when you get him home and
tell him if he eats, you won't have to bring him to the vet's again! 
When and if you attempt the assist feeding, think of it
like feeding a baby, (an uncooperative one with claws!).  I think 1cc
may be a little too much to try "squirting" in his mouth at a time, go
very slow and let him taste it and decide if he may actually be hungry
after all.  Have a small plate ready to shove under his nose if he
seems interested, he may just start eating on his own.  Remember to
breathe when you watch his response!  I'd start with baby food because
most cats like that and
there's a better chance you'll pique his hunger.  Instead of attempting
the assist-feeding, see if you can gently finger or spoon a little food
into his mouth to entice him to eat.

If you are going to tempt him with cream, pick him up some goat's milk
at the grocery store when you get the baby food.  It's better for them
than cow's milk, get the fresh instead of the canned if they have it. 
You might as well stock up on yummy things to temp him with while your
there, so go ahead and get the cow's cream, sour cream, yogurt, fresh
salmon, if he likes fish, a chick breast if he likes chicken etc., baby
food, (meat flavors, no veggies or grains), and any other sort of human
food you think he'll like.  Dice the raw chicken/meat into very small
pieces and pop a tablespoon into the microwave to just warm it, the
edges will change color, but most of it will still be raw.  Make sure
it's not to hot and hopefully the aroma will get him eating.  I
hesitate to say it, but I have a very good feeling that your little
trouble maker is going to be fine.  

P.S.  I like most of what you've told us about your vet, but I don't
care what he says about it being okay for Shakiti to not eat for a
couple of days, do your best to get him eating again.  Do you know how
to test for dehydration?  Lift the skin on his scruff and make sure it
bounces back quickly, if it just holds the shape of your "pinch" you've
got trouble.
Nina


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Just talked to my vet and he says that all of Shakiti's vitals
are good and his white count is low.  He's going to give him something
like pepci AC (in fact - he says you can give kitties about 1/4th of a
pepcid ac tablet) and gave him a shot of Baytril.  I'm going to pick
him up at 3 and I'll get all the details.  He's sending me home with
two meds to give him for a week - one is a sulfa drug (probably Albon)
and the other one is the antacid.  It impressed me that the vet gave me
his personal cell phone number so I can call him at home if we have
more problems (I've been going there 12 years - first time I got his
personal number).  He told me that Shakiti probably won't eat today and
may not eat tomorrow but that he is fine and he isn't dehydrated.  He's
giving me some of the A/C canned food to give him and says that it will
be easy on his tummy.  I think I have some cream and may pick up a
little baby food (sans onions).  Wish he could eat that chicken broth
but he just isn't interested.  If he's still having problems Monday
then we may need to do exploratory surgery to see if there is still a
strand of floss in there but we both think that Shakiti got rid of it
all yesterday and that he'll be fine.  Diagnosis:  tummy ache. 
(understandably)

Re: Shakiti Update

2006-06-23 Thread etrent


Just talked to my vet and he says that all of Shakiti's vitals are good and his white count is low.  He's going to give him something like pepci AC (in fact - he says you can give kitties about 1/4th of a pepcid ac tablet) and gave him a shot of Baytril.  I'm going to pick him up at 3 and I'll get all the details.  He's sending me home with two meds to give him for a week - one is a sulfa drug (probably Albon) and the other one is the antacid.  It impressed me that the vet gave me his personal cell phone number so I can call him at home if we have more problems (I've been going there 12 years - first time I got his personal number).  He told me that Shakiti probably won't eat today and may not eat tomorrow but that he is fine and he isn't dehydrated.  He's giving me some of the A/C canned food to give him and says that it will be easy on his tummy.  I think I have some cream and may pick up a little baby food (sans onions).  Wish he could eat that chicken broth but he just isn't interested.  If he's still having problems Monday then we may need to do exploratory surgery to see if there is still a strand of floss in there but we both think that Shakiti got rid of it all yesterday and that he'll be fine.  Diagnosis:  tummy ache.  (understandably)
 
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  -Original Message-From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:56:55 -0500Subject: Re: Shakiti Update





Shakiti has a very upset belly and throat.  Ask your vet about pepscid and try soothing things like whipped cream or warm chicken soup. Consider how you would feel right now?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: Shakiti Update

Have you tried finger feeding him meantime Elizabeth? I had to do that with my Flavia and Caramel for a while--I gave them the high-cal Hills prescription food from vet--they were happy to take it from my finger. (They cdn't smell the food and if cats can't smell, they have no inclination to eat for themselves--once it was smeared inside their mouths they were able to taste/eat it.)
Can't find your orig post but so glad he coughed up the rogue floss.
 
Love your drawings which I saw for first time today. They are out of this world.
Kerry
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: Shakiti Update


I'm just a little worried about the boy.  He doesn't seem to be eating.  Just tried to tempt him with some chicken broth but no such luck.  He did eat a little treat but tossed it back up shortly thereafter.  I may call the vet in the morning.  Going down there anyway to get Mama Kitty her B12 shot.
 
 
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Elizabeth,What a fantastic story!!!  I am so happy that Shakiticoughed the floss up!  Yea!  I will pray that hecontinues to improve and by tomorrow, there are nosigns of any problems at all, and he's back to normal!:)Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him.>  They had been  watching > Shakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an> emetic...but no  sign of > dental floss.  >  > We discussed the prospects of surgery.  He said he> really  hated to do > unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't> want to  put Shakiti's health and > life at risk.  I told him I  really did not know> what would be best for my > boy and he said that he would be  willing for me to> watch him a day or two.  He > felt that if Shakiti made it  through Friday without> any problems - he would > probably be ok.  >  > I told them I would be there in a bit and that I> would stay up all night  > with him if necessary.  >  > I said prayers all the way there.  >  > When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill -> get my boy and  go - but > they called me back into a room and said,> 'Elizabeth, we have  a problem'.  My > heart sank.  I think it stopped beating.  I could > feel the tears starting to > burn.>  > *graphic description  alert*> In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with> a folded towel.   They > opened up the towel and there were a number of spots> of bright  red blood along > about an 8 inch streak that Shakiti had> regurgitated.  They told me the blood > was a bad sign.  They said - all day we have  been> watching for Shakiti to > throw up and nothing...but while you were on the > way here, he started to

Re: Shakiti Update





I am running out so will let someone else explain how to do it, but it is 
not hard and I have done many many times.  basically it involves using A/D, 
or another canned food mixed with water to the consistency of a slurry, or baby 
food, using 3 ml or 6 ml oral syringes (can get from vet), kneeling behind the 
cat, opening the mouth with one hand, putting the syringe in with the other 
(angled toward side of mouth, not straight back, so as not to choke them), and 
slowly squirting in about 1 ml at a time and letting them swallow before next 
squirt. Ideally you want to get about 200- 250 calories/day into them, I 
think.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 12:38:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Could you give me the specifics on syringe feeding?  I know I 
  would be worried to death about choking them.  Thanks.

Re: Shakiti Update

2006-06-23 Thread etrent


 Could you give me the specifics on syringe feeding?  I know I would be worried to death about choking them.  Thanks.
 
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  -Original Message-From: gwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:27:46 -0400Subject: Re: Shakiti Update


This is definitely a possibility, but Spaz has twice gone for days without eating and not had a problem. I did not know about syringe feeding until toward the end of the second time, when she finally started eating on her own. I would definitely do the syringe feeding, but I just also wanted to get it out there that it is not inevitable to have problems from not eating. Also, it is a higher chance of fatty liver if the animal is overweight, or at least that's what I've been told. Spaz is (unfortunately) pretty overweight.  Kris http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: Shakiti Update  > Cats can be in danger very quickly from not eating, please get some food > into Shakiti. Syringe feed if you have to. > > -- > > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > Be-Mi-Kitties > http://bemikitties.com > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > FeLV Candlelight Service > http://bemikitties.com/cls > > HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] > http://HostDesign4U.com > >  > > BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] > http://bmk.bemikitties.com > > >  

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Re: Shakiti Update

2006-06-23 Thread etrent


He didn't eat when he came home - and the vet said that I should not feed him until the next day when he could start on canned food.  That was Wednesday when I brought him home and so yesterday would have been the day to start him on canned food but he wasn't interested in that or Chicken broth.  I did give him one little treat (bad idea) to try to get him to eat but he couldn't keep it down.  (Shakiti is FeVL-).  Once the Demerol wore off - his activity level was fine and he seemed to be feeling well but he did get sick a few more times and it was last night that he started hiding under the bed.   I don't know if he has gone to the litter boxes - it's so hard to tell with 8 cats.  He may just still have an upset tummy and I may just be an overprotective mommy but the vet's office is closed on Saturday and Sunday and I just wanted to be sure that everything was ok and that he was getting enough fluids.
 
I just called the vet (had to drop Shakiti off on the way to work this morning) - but they haven't had a chance to look at him yet (they had a couple of emergencies).  At least with Shakiti being there all day they can see if he throws up or whether he eats, etc.  The doctor said he would do a CBC so at least we can see if his blood count is elevated.  Doc said he may just need an antibiotic after all his trauma.  I'm hoping I'm just being paranoid - but I will know for sure this afternoon when I take Mama Kitty in for her B12 shot.
 
Thank you for the tips on the Baby Food - I could pick some up on the way to the vet's.
 
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  -Original Message-From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 05:35:57 -0700Subject: Re: Shakiti Update


Elizabeth,How long has Shakiti not been eating?  Was he eating when he first got home from the vet?  I seem to remember you saying he had forgiven you and was purring, but was his activity level normal too?  I can understand why you're concerned given the floss episode.  Remind me, is Shakiti positive?  Did he eat after he came home from the vet?  Do you have baby food in the house to temp him with?  Make sure it's Beechnut, not Gerbers, Gerbers can contain the dreaded onion.  What are his stools like?  Please let us know how he's doing and what the vet has to say.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thank you so much, Kerry.  I'm starting to get concerned - Shakiti is hiding under the bed - and that isn't like him.  I think I'm going to take him to the vet's in the morning.

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Re: cats who don't like moist food

   Buddie when she was younger would not eat anything but dry and she 
was picky about which dry.  She wouldn't eat chicken, beef, most any 
table food.  She did like bacon, and potatoe chips.  When she got 
extremely over weight and I had no choice but to put her on a diet, dry 
was out.  Dry food is the worst for cats, and I wish I could get my 2 
dry food junkies off it.


To my amazement she started eating the canned all on her own, I wasn't 
putting out dry except in the evening, I guess she quickly decided she 
didn't like being hungry all day and started nibbling on the wet.  After 
a few days of noticing her eating wet, I stopped feeding dry all 
together.  When she was eating good and losing weight, I stupidly 
starting putting out dry for the 2 junkies, but Buddie never again ate 
the dry, she lost 5 pounds over a year and a half and was doing great 
until she got liver cancer shortly thereafter.


I'm still trying to get the two 2 junkies (both who by the way are 
overweight and the only ones who are overweight), off of the dry.  Every 
time I decide I'm going to get my guys on better food, somebody gets 
sick with something really bad, I'm almost afraid to try again.  Before 
Buddie got sick I was trying to switch all to raw.  Before Bailey got 
sick I was trying to switch the ones who wouldn't eat raw to a better 
canned.  And immediately after losing Bailey, Fred comes up hyperthyroid 
and CRF!!


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Re: Emily needs to find a home




Did Emily ever get taken care 
of??
 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rachel 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:06 PM
  Subject: Emily needs to find a home
  
  I am desperate.  I took in a leukemia positive named Emily and I am 
  forced to find her a new home.  I have to move back to my mother's house 
  and cannot bring her with me.  I am frantic.  I never would have 
  imagined that I would need to give her up.
   
  She is a black & grey tabby.  Extremely sweet, affectionate 
  & talkative.  She has been around dogs and other cats and does well 
  with them.
   
  She is located in Northwest New Jersey (Warren County - near 
  Hackettstown, zip 07840) and I am willing to transport darn near anywhere East 
  of the Mississippi.  West of there, I would need some help in 
  transporting.
   
   
   
   
  
  
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Re: Shakiti Update

 but Spaz has twice gone for days without eating and not had a 
problem  


This is true, I too have had sick cats that didn't want to eat much, but 
they were eating something and they were fine.  Every cat is different 
and you never know which category your cat is going to fall into.  It is 
absolutely a fact that some cats will be direly sick after not eating 
for only 2 days, so to me the risk isn't worth the possibility.   And it 
is amazing how many vets don't warn people about this!!


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Re: (no subject)




Sorry I'm so late responding to this 
- phenylalanine is not listed on the bag but if you look on the website, it is 
listed as an ingredient.  I believe I have also now read that this is 
necessary or produced in the body, too, so it must be toxic at certain 
levels.  I have yet to finish researching that.  I suspect maybe the 
amount in the food is so little that it is acceptable.
 
I understand now about the wet food 
protein ratio.
 
Thanks to everybody for their 
help!
Kris
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:26 
AM
  Subject: Re: (no subject)
  
  They both make wet foods too, try that petfooddirect.com website I 
  posted, they show all their wet foods too (I believe I posted direct links to 
  the wet varieties for each brand I listed). I'm reading my bag of California 
  natural right now, it does NOT have phenyalanine in it, unless it's under the 
  guise of "natural flavors". I think that out of all the wet brands I read 
  doing the research for you that the Innova Evo was the highest protein wet cat 
  food available.
   
  I'm not the local expert on wet and raw diets for this group.. I'm sure 
  one of them will join in and tell us why wet/raw is better due to the 
  increased liquid and how the protein ratios work out, but I am fairly sure 
  that it's the same in the end because the cats on "wet" diets drink less water 
  so the protein they eat doesn't get "diluted" much with extra water, where-as 
  cats on dry diets drink a ton more water, so the protein in the food they eat 
  gets well diluted down to the same difference as what's in wet food... that's 
  the only logical explanation as to why wet cat food is so much lower in 
  protein. Someone here MUST know that for sure though
   
  I guess I'm used to living out in the country, I order most everything 
  online. My food I can buy at my vet's office, but all supplies and supplements 
  I buy at fostersmith.com.
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Re: cats who don't like moist food





My cat Lucy is exactly like this. She would only eat dry, period.  
Then she got IBD and could not eat dry, and luckily she likes raw food, so that 
is what she gets now. I was afraid she would not eat the raw because she would 
not eat wet food, but she was into it immediately. I give her Stelton's ground 
turkey from the health food store (comes frozen in one pound tubes, is free 
range, etc.), mixed with Omah's frozen ground turkey organs (I get it from a dog 
training place that sells it-- they have a website) and Feline Futures pre-mixed 
raw food vitamin supplement (which has the recipe for mixing the meat and organ 
meat too).  She loves it.
 
You can try either raw, or at least the EVO dry food, which is a much 
better quality dry food and does not have any grains.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 6/23/2006 11:22:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I was just wondering if anyone has 
  ever had a cat who doesn't like moist food of ANY kind??  I have two that 
  don't like anything!  Also, they don't like tuna, which I have heard of 
  before.  But I was just wondering whether anybody has experienced this, 
  and if they ever found a moist food that was liked, or also if they tried raw 
  and whether the finicky ones liked that?
   
  Kris

Re: Chatty update




I know that someone on the lymphoma group had a cat with nasal lymphoma who 
got it treated (chemo or radiation or both, not sure), and he did really well 
for a few years after that.
Michelle

cats who don't like moist food




I was just wondering if anyone has 
ever had a cat who doesn't like moist food of ANY kind??  I have two that 
don't like anything!  Also, they don't like tuna, which I have heard of 
before.  But I was just wondering whether anybody has experienced this, and 
if they ever found a moist food that was liked, or also if they tried raw and 
whether the finicky ones liked that?
 
Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Shakiti Update

This is definitely a possibility, but Spaz has twice gone for days without 
eating and not had a problem.  I did not know about syringe feeding until 
toward the end of the second time, when she finally started eating on her 
own.  I would definitely do the syringe feeding, but I just also wanted to 
get it out there that it is not inevitable to have problems from not eating. 
Also, it is a higher chance of fatty liver if the animal is overweight, or 
at least that's what I've been told.  Spaz is (unfortunately) pretty 
overweight.


Kris
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- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Shakiti Update


  Cats can be in danger very quickly from not eating, please get some food 
into Shakiti.  Syringe feed if you have to.


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Re: Bandy is better




Awesome!  I'm so happy for 
you.
 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kerry 
  Roach 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:15 AM
  Subject: Bandy is better
  
  Well, I think Bandy has finally turned the corner after 10 awful days..I 
  don't want to jinx him as usually when I report something good...something 
  else happens..But I wanted you all to know..On Wed..I found him sitting up in 
  his bed for the first time in about 10 days..then about 5am on Thurs morning, 
  he was walking all over the room and followed me around...actually talking to 
  me which is always a good sign..The leg is still sore, but he is using it some 
  now and not dragging it around anymore..He has lost around a pound..he is down 
  to 7#2.5oz. so now I have to try to get him fattened up again..I guess the 
  1000cc of fluid that he has had in the last week is what kept him going...I 
  took him in on Thurs. for another adequan injection..so we are on hold for the 
  metacam for now..I give him torbutrol for pain if he needs it...his temp was 
  102.8, but that is where it has been for the last week so that is good for 
  him..I don't know if I mentioned this, but Tues. we put him on 2cc of 
  clindamycin twice a day which is a mega dose for a bone infection just in case 
  that is what was causing some of this..I have had one of those in the past and 
  they don't always show up on xray..I asked her if we could do this just in 
  case that was what was causing all this leg problem so I don't know if that is 
  what has made the difference or not..but it sure won't hurt..
  Anyway, I really appreciate you all being here as you always are during a 
  difficult time..you never know when you are going to need the info and it 
  always helps to have it on hand...You guys are the greatest!!
  Thanks again,
  Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and Snoopy
  
  
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Re: Calici...Vets Offices and Clinics

Thanks for the info. Terri.  I'm going to print this
off and send it to the vets in my town.

:)
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Re: Chatty update

Jen,

Prayers going out that all they find is infection. 
Please keep us posted on Chatty!

:)
Wendy

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> Hi Guys!
> 
> Well, the jury is still out after his initial visit
> with the vet!  They
> snapped several x-rays, but couldn't see any
> distinct tumor.  Whatever
> it is is only affecting one side and when the vet
> went to swab inside
> his nasal cavity, blood just poured out of that one
> side.  She took a
> look with her own microscope and noted some abnormal
> cells...but she has
> to send the culture off to get a definitive
> (hopefully) answer!  So we
> probably won't know until next week what we're
> dealing with.  He's going
> back in tomorrow and Saturday for fluids and iv
> baytril...so hopefully
> that will give him some relief while we wait.  Has
> anyone ever seen this
> with their own cats?  Poor guy...he wasn't happy to
> be there...it was a
> little ironic that all of the cats around him were
> chatting up a storm
> and the one guy who is actually named "Chatty" was
> tight-lipped!
> 
> Thanks for all your prayers!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
> To me, you will be
> unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique
> in all the world; You
> become responsible, forever, for what you have
> tamed..." --Antoine de
> Saint-Exupéry
> 
> "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you
> and you will know
> each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not
> know them, and what
> you do not know you will fear. What one fears one
> destroys." --Chief Dan
> George
> 
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Re: Bandy is better

Kerry,

I'm so glad Bandy has turned the corner!!!  What great
news to start my weekend off with!!!

:)
Wendy

--- Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, I think Bandy has finally turned the corner
> after 10 awful days..I don't want to jinx him as
> usually when I report something good...something
> else happens..But I wanted you all to know..On
> Wed..I found him sitting up in his bed for the first
> time in about 10 days..then about 5am on Thurs
> morning, he was walking all over the room and
> followed me around...actually talking to me which is
> always a good sign..The leg is still sore, but he is
> using it some now and not dragging it around
> anymore..He has lost around a pound..he is down to
> 7#2.5oz. so now I have to try to get him fattened up
> again..I guess the 1000cc of fluid that he has had
> in the last week is what kept him going...I took him
> in on Thurs. for another adequan injection..so we
> are on hold for the metacam for now..I give him
> torbutrol for pain if he needs it...his temp was
> 102.8, but that is where it has been for the last
> week so that is good for him..I don't know if I
> mentioned this, but Tues. we put him on 2cc
>  of clindamycin twice a day which is a mega dose for
> a bone infection just in case that is what was
> causing some of this..I have had one of those in the
> past and they don't always show up on xray..I asked
> her if we could do this just in case that was what
> was causing all this leg problem so I don't know if
> that is what has made the difference or not..but it
> sure won't hurt..
>   Anyway, I really appreciate you all being here as
> you always are during a difficult time..you never
> know when you are going to need the info and it
> always helps to have it on hand...You guys are the
> greatest!!
>   Thanks again,
>   Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal
> and Snoopy
> 
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Re: Elizabeth's talent-To Phaewryn

Actually, that sounds really feasible and is a great
idea!  This is something there's a need for and that
can be marketed.  Maybe you could make something
really great and sell to Drs. Foster & Smith.  They
have a great magazine.  Or sell through Cat Fancy. 
After you'd patented though, of course.

:)
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> 
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About Karma's vet

Hold on to that one!

:)
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> We found my cat Simba, at about the age of 5 weeks. 
> He tested  positive for 
> FIV.  We had him retested at approx 6 mos & he was
> still  positive.  It is 
> true that FIV tests of young kittens may only be
> picking  up maternal antibodies, 
> so it would be a good idea to retest the little guy 
> after 6 mos.  Simba is 
> going to be 8 years old in July.  We have  allowed
> him to mix freely with our 
> other 12 cats all along & none of ours  has ever
> tested positive.  He even gets 
> into occasional spats w/ one of the  others & he
> licks several that he is 
> good friends with, shares bowls,  litterboxes, etc &
> it has never caused a 
> problem.  He is so  healthy that we've had him
> retested several times over the 
> years, because it's  just so hard to believe that he
> is positive.  He keeps coming 
> back  positive, but I've stopped worrying about it. 
> I just make sure he gets  
> good care & thank God that he is healthy.  I have
> also elected not to  
> vaccinate due to a study done at Cornell awhile back
> that found that viral loads  
> for the FIV increased after vaccination.  I don't
> recall how I initially  found 
> out about this study, but I did call & talk to them
> to confirm  the info.  I 
> have not heard anything about it ever since, tho. 
> I'll  have to do a little 
> digging & see if that was researched any  further. 
> I don't have a reference 
> that I can give you right off hand, but  I'll look
> for one.   Simba did get his 
> initial round of  vaccinations as a kitten, however.
>  This was my 
> experience...personally, I  have no qualms about
> mixing FIV+ with negatives, but everybody 
> has to do what  works for their situation.  Hope
> this helps.  
>  
> Yvonne
>  
> In a message dated 6/22/2006 7:45:19 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> have  been researching the net for information on
> FIV in kittens and hope to 
> get  more info here. My daughter came home two weeks
> ago with a little freal 
> kitten  appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year
> old cat and had not planned 
> on  another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the
> family fell in love with this  
> little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested
> positive for FIV, which realy  
> upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and
> deal with things as they 
>  come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests
> positive, you need to keep  
> testing it until at least 6 month of age because it
> might be mothers  
> anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might
> make the test come back  
> positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed
> had that happen, meaning  that at 
> first the test came back positive but later
> negative? I know we are  grasping 
> at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to
> decide whether to  keep the 
> two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow,
> I will talk to  the vet 
> to have the older one tested too now and if that
> comes back negative,  to have 
> him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be
> sufficient protection.  Any 
> advise??
> 
> 
>  
> 


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Kerry,
I'm so happy to hear that Bandy is feeling better.  Your nerves must be
just raw.  How's his ringworm?  Blessings and prayers for his continued
recovery,
Nina

Kerry Roach wrote:

  Well, I think Bandy has finally turned the corner after 10 awful
days..

Re: Shakiti Update





Elizabeth,
How long has Shakiti not been eating?  Was he eating when he first got
home from the vet?  I seem to remember you saying he had forgiven you
and was purring, but was his activity level normal too?  I can
understand why you're concerned given the floss episode.  Remind me, is
Shakiti positive?  Did he eat after he came home from the vet?  Do you
have baby food in the house to temp him with?  Make sure it's Beechnut,
not Gerbers, Gerbers can contain the dreaded onion.  What are his
stools like?  Please let us know how he's doing and what the vet has to
say.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Thank you so much, Kerry.  I'm starting to get concerned -
Shakiti is hiding under the bed - and that isn't like him.  I think I'm
going to take him to the vet's in the morning.

Re: Shakiti Update

  Cats can be in danger very quickly from not eating, please get some 
food into Shakiti.  Syringe feed if you have to.


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Re: Heinz body anemia (onions)

  Before I knew about this I had a cat that loved onions and ate them 
until I found out about this (also like mustard and would lick that off 
my plate).  Thank goodness we never had a problem.


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Re: Shakiti Update

2006-06-23 Thread Marylyn




Shakiti has a very upset belly and 
throat.  Ask your vet about pepscid and try soothing things like whipped 
cream or warm chicken soup. Consider how you would feel 
right now?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man.  
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kerry MacKenzie 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Shakiti Update
  
  Have you tried finger feeding him 
  meantime Elizabeth? I had to do that with my Flavia and Caramel for a while--I 
  gave them the high-cal Hills prescription food from vet--they were happy to 
  take it from my finger. (They cdn't smell the food and if cats can't smell, 
  they have no inclination to eat for themselves--once it was smeared 
  inside their mouths they were able to taste/eat it.)
  Can't find your orig post but so 
  glad he coughed up the rogue floss.
   
  Love your drawings which I saw 
  for first time today. They are out of this world.
  Kerry
   
   
   
   
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:33 
PM
Subject: Re: Shakiti Update


I'm just a little worried about the boy.  He doesn't seem to be 
eating.  Just tried to tempt him with some chicken broth but no such 
luck.  He did eat a little treat but tossed it back up shortly 
thereafter.  I may call the vet in the morning.  Going down there 
anyway to get Mama Kitty her B12 shot.
 
 
In a message dated 6/22/2006 10:03:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Elizabeth,What a fantastic story!!!  I am so happy 
  that Shakiticoughed the floss up!  Yea!  I will pray that 
  hecontinues to improve and by tomorrow, there are nosigns of any 
  problems at all, and he's back to normal!:)Wendy--- 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I 
  called him.>  They had been  watching > Shakiti 
  all afternoon and given him peroxide as an> emetic...but no  
  sign of > dental floss.  >  > We discussed 
  the prospects of surgery.  He said he> really  hated to 
  do > unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't> 
  want to  put Shakiti's health and > life at risk.  I told 
  him I  really did not know> what would be best for my > 
  boy and he said that he would be  willing for me to> watch him 
  a day or two.  He > felt that if Shakiti made it  through 
  Friday without> any problems - he would > probably be 
  ok.  >  > I told them I would be there in a bit 
  and that I> would stay up all night  > with him if 
  necessary.  >  > I said prayers all the way 
  there.  >  > When I got there, I expected to just 
  pay the bill -> get my boy and  go - but > they called 
  me back into a room and said,> 'Elizabeth, we have  a 
  problem'.  My > heart sank.  I think it stopped 
  beating.  I could > feel the tears starting to > 
  burn.>  > *graphic description  alert*> In 
  a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with> a folded 
  towel.   They > opened up the towel and there were a 
  number of spots> of bright  red blood along > about an 
  8 inch streak that Shakiti had> regurgitated.  They told me 
  the blood > was a bad sign.  They said - all day we have  
  been> watching for Shakiti to > throw up and nothing...but 
  while you were on the > way here, he started to vomit.  
  >  >  > Well...I looked at it 
  carefully...and the vet tech> looked at it  > 
  carefully...and then we both looked right at each> other and said 
  'Wait a  minute!  What's > that?!?'  >  
  > What was it?  Just a big wad of dental floss.  
  The> doctor got  some tweezers > and it stretched out 
  nearly 2 feet!> *end graphic  content*>  > 
  Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of> relief and the 
  change in  my > face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's 
  face.  It> was the whole piece  - > 
  unbroken.  The doctor believes now that the blood> must have 
  been from  retching > the foul thing up -- he said that is not 
  uncommon in> cats.>  > They wanted to keep the 
  baby overnight but I made> 'big eyes' and said,  > 
  'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I> just know that 
  I would watch  > and baby him like crazy and spoil him rotten 
  while> they would have to leave  > him overnight.  
  They agreed.  >  > They gave him a steroid shot to 
  decrease any> inflammation

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-23 Thread Marylyn

Even if that doesn't work, you might consider putting out some good quality 
(not the Wal-Mart type that has been around forever) catnip for both cats. 
It might mellow them out.   Mime have always liked the plants (readily 
available in the herb sections of most garden centers).  You can clip the 
leaves and dry them too. Places that have bulk herbs usually have catnip 
too.

If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Kiley Dozier-Bosanko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

Kerry,
I'm not sure if this will work because Kitty probably isn't as playful as 
my younger kitties, but it's worth a try.  When I was introducing my two 
kitties I made a toy out of two catnip scented mice tied together with a 
ribbon.  I put the ribbon under a shut door with one cat in each room and 
one toy on each side.  Every time one kitty would grab a mouse it would 
make the other mouse move.  It really helped my cats get used to 
eachother, without the intimidation of being face to face.  If your friend 
has a toy that she knows kitty really likes, it might be enough to entice 
her to play and it sounds like Danny is desperate for some feline 
comanionship.

Kiley

From: "Kerry MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: 
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:33:04 -0500

Thanks Nina!--that's what i wanted to hear before I give B my 2 cents 
worth

(re the boxes). Yes, she has always been very dedicated to Kitty, so i
really hope she perseveres with Danny. It was her mention of "giving it a
month" that sent shivers down my spine when i got back.  And lost me no 
time
in directing the prob to the wonderful list. I hope now that she feels 
she's
getting all this wonderful info and support she'll keep ploughing on. 
Kerry

- Original Message -
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

> Hey Kerry,
> Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound
> like his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and
> "Kitty" in making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's
> still being stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes
> though!  I'd go out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't
> have to be nervous about using her litterbox).  I've been known to
> strewn them all over the house.  I've found that if someone is having
> accidents, (territorially motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near
> the mishap, they end up using it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her
> to watch her geriatric Kitty very closely, what a terrible turn of
> events that would be if she dashed out the door and something happened
> to her before she adjusted to her new brother.
> Hugs,
> Nina
>
> Kerry MacKenzie wrote:
>
> >A big thankyou from my friend re Danny (& Kitty)follows below.
> >
> >
>
>

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Kerry great new about sweet Bandy,I hope he feels 100% better soon.Take care SherryKerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Well, I think Bandy has finally turned the corner after 10 awful days..I don't want to jinx him as usually when I report something good...something else happens..But I wanted you all to know..On Wed..I found him sitting up in his bed for the first time in about 10 days..then about 5am on Thurs morning, he was walking all over the room and followed me around...actually talking to me which is always a good sign..The leg is still sore, but he is using it some now and not dragging it around anymore..He has lost around a pound..he is down to 7#2.5oz. so now I have to try to get him fattened up again..I guess the 1000cc of fluid that he has had in the last week is what kept him going...I took him
in on Thurs. for another adequan injection..so we are on hold for the metacam for now..I give him torbutrol for pain if he needs it...his temp was 102.8, but that is where it has been for the last week so that is good for him..I don't know if I mentioned this, but Tues. we put him on 2cc of clindamycin twice a day which is a mega dose for a bone infection just in case that is what was causing some of this..I have had one of those in the past and they don't always show up on xray..I asked her if we could do this just in case that was what was causing all this leg problem so I don't know if that is what has made the difference or not..but it sure won't hurt.. Anyway, I really appreciate you all being here as you always are during a difficult time..you never know when you are going to need the info and it always helps to have it on hand...You guys are the greatest!! Thanks again, Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and
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Bandy is better

Well, I think Bandy has finally turned the corner after 10 awful days..I don't want to jinx him as usually when I report something good...something else happens..But I wanted you all to know..On Wed..I found him sitting up in his bed for the first time in about 10 days..then about 5am on Thurs morning, he was walking all over the room and followed me around...actually talking to me which is always a good sign..The leg is still sore, but he is using it some now and not dragging it around anymore..He has lost around a pound..he is down to 7#2.5oz. so now I have to try to get him fattened up again..I guess the 1000cc of fluid that he has had in the last week is what kept him going...I took him in on Thurs. for another adequan injection..so we are on hold for the metacam for now..I give him torbutrol for pain if he needs it...his temp was 102.8, but that is where it has been for the last week so that is good for him..I don't know if I mentioned this, but Tues. we put him
 on 2cc of clindamycin twice a day which is a mega dose for a bone infection just in case that is what was causing some of this..I have had one of those in the past and they don't always show up on xray..I asked her if we could do this just in case that was what was causing all this leg problem so I don't know if that is what has made the difference or not..but it sure won't hurt..  Anyway, I really appreciate you all being here as you always are during a difficult time..you never know when you are going to need the info and it always helps to have it on hand...You guys are the greatest!!  Thanks again,  Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and Snoopy 
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Re: FIV infected kittens

Bandy is FIV+, and his internal med vet said it would probably never come in to play..The only thing she said is that it would keep his immune system lower than normal since he is Felv+, too.. I give him as many natural immune boosters that I can get him to eat..I usually alternate them.  He has lived with 3 other kitties and none were positive for FIV, and only one for Felv during the past 5 yrs.. 
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