Re: breathing issues

[Belinda Sauro]

   Lynne,
   He is gasping for breathe because his anemia is likely getting 
worse, I would ask the Doc to put him on a fairly high dose of 
prednisolone, get the compounded version, it is a transdermal gel that 
gets rubbed on the inside of the ear.  If his blood work tomorrow shows 
his HCT is lower, if it is 10 or lower he would need a transfusion to 
get him by until the pred and or doxy have a chance to kick in.


When my Bailey was anemic, we started him on doxy, pred and eventually 
epogen, he lived 6 months and finally succumbed to pancreatic cancer.  
We successfully reversed the anemia but we couldn't find the cancer we 
were sure he had.  His symptoms were different than what Boo is 
experiencing, but his first symptoms was he quit eating and that is how 
we discovered he was anemic.


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Re: breathing issues

[Lynne]

OK Laurie, I'm gonna try it.  Better than taking drugs to sleep.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: breathing issues


  This sounds encouraging. Keisha's lungs were making a clicking sound when she 
was in CHF.

  I still feel that BooBoo is going to be ok. 

  When I couldn't sleep for worrying about Teddy (breathing issues), a kind 
woman suggested I breathe in "Peace" and breathe out "Negativity". Believe it 
or not, this did get me through the nights. (Still does, when I need it). I 
couldn't think other words when I repeated these words with my breaths.

  God bless,
  Laurie

- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: breathing issues


Thanks Laurie.  I am going to stop the Doxy.  It is just simply too much 
trauma for him.  His heart and lungs were checked out again last visit and 
aside from a grade 1 systolic murmur his heart is fine.  My 19 year old cat has 
one of those, I have one of those and they pose little threat.  He was fine 
after the neutering.  He is on no meds except the Doxycycline.  Bob was just 
upstairs listening to his heart and lungs with a stethascope and says his lungs 
are clear and he ate a bit.  He's just so weak though.  He walks a foot and 
lays down.  His sides are still heaving somewhat but he isn't breathing through 
his mouth at the moment.  He did have a bit of a fever when we saw the vet on 
Friday but as it is now he is cool to the touch, not like he was a few days 
ago.  If he's ok tomorrow, I will call Dr. Gill but other than the interferon 
that will be arriving next week, I am not going to put this cat through any 
more.  He just isn't up to it.  If all he does is sleep his life away I can 
deal with that.  I really don't think he's having a reaction to the Doxy, just 
the giving of it.  He can't stand being restrained or picked up.  He is very 
loveable on his terms and will lay beside me, but at a safe distance.  He just 
isn't used to people like Bob and I who are probably overbearing when it comes 
to giving attention and affection.

Thanks so much Laurie for your kind thoughts.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:58 PM
  Subject: Re: breathing issues


  Lynne, can you put him in the bathroom with a steamy shower. That is one 
way to help him breathe. We did this with our asthmatic cat when he had attacks 
(and before there were inhaled meds for feline asthma). I would discontinue the 
doxy if it were me and, if he is breathing normally, give him a few days to 
eat, etc. Is he eating? IF he is in respiratory distress, I would get him to 
the vet. It could be congestive heart failure which can be treated successfully 
sometimes. Please don't give up emotionally. Booboo will sense it. 

  I am trying to remember. Wasn't he fine when you first got him and after 
his neuter? Is he on any meds that could be causing this reaction? Was that one 
of the side effects in the doxy info I sent? I think we discontinued the doxy 
for one of our rescues because it was causing problems.

  thoughts and prayers with you,
  Laurie 
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: breathing issues


We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened.  
He fought and now is gasping for air.  My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow 
and we'll take him in.  If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will have 
to make a decision.  He seems to be in respiratory distress.  This cat is so 
high strung.  My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they took turns 
going up to visit him.  He seems to be afraid of everyone and then starts 
breathing even heavier.  Honestly I did not notice this with him when we first 
got him.  It has only been within the week that I've noticed his sides heaving 
more than they did.  I have this horrible feeling that he is going down hill 
quickly.  I so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to breath.  I just pray 
that tomorrow I wake up and he's better.

Lynne 

Re: breathing issues

[Kelley Saveika]

Laurie,

That is such great advice - and applicable for many situations!:)

Kelley

On Feb 18, 2008 8:29 PM, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  This sounds encouraging. Keisha's lungs were making a clicking sound when
> she was in CHF.
>
> I still feel that BooBoo is going to be ok.
>
> When I couldn't sleep for worrying about Teddy (breathing issues), a kind
> woman suggested I breathe in "Peace" and breathe out "Negativity". Believe
> it or not, this did get me through the nights. (Still does, when I need it).
> I couldn't think other words when I repeated these words with my breaths.
>
> God bless,
> Laurie
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 8:11 PM
> *Subject:* Re: breathing issues
>
> Thanks Laurie.  I am going to stop the Doxy.  It is just simply too much
> trauma for him.  His heart and lungs were checked out again last visit and
> aside from a grade 1 systolic murmur his heart is fine.  My 19 year old cat
> has one of those, I have one of those and they pose little threat.  He was
> fine after the neutering.  He is on no meds except the Doxycycline.  Bob was
> just upstairs listening to his heart and lungs with a stethascope and says
> his lungs are clear and he ate a bit.  He's just so weak though.  He walks a
> foot and lays down.  His sides are still heaving somewhat but he isn't
> breathing through his mouth at the moment.  He did have a bit of a fever
> when we saw the vet on Friday but as it is now he is cool to the touch, not
> like he was a few days ago.  If he's ok tomorrow, I will call Dr. Gill but
> other than the interferon that will be arriving next week, I am not going to
> put this cat through any more.  He just isn't up to it.  If all he does is
> sleep his life away I can deal with that.  I really don't think he's having
> a reaction to the Doxy, just the giving of it.  He can't stand being
> restrained or picked up.  He is very loveable on his terms and will lay
> beside me, but at a safe distance.  He just isn't used to people like Bob
> and I who are probably overbearing when it comes to giving attention and
> affection.
>
> Thanks so much Laurie for your kind thoughts.
>
> Lynne
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 8:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: breathing issues
>
> Lynne, can you put him in the bathroom with a steamy shower. That is one
> way to help him breathe. We did this with our asthmatic cat when he had
> attacks (and before there were inhaled meds for feline asthma). I would
> discontinue the doxy if it were me and, if he is breathing normally, give
> him a few days to eat, etc. Is he eating? IF he is in respiratory distress,
> I would get him to the vet. It could be congestive heart failure which can
> be treated successfully sometimes. Please don't give up emotionally. Booboo
> will sense it.
>
> I am trying to remember. Wasn't he fine when you first got him and after
> his neuter? Is he on any meds that could be causing this reaction? Was that
> one of the side effects in the doxy info I sent? I think we discontinued the
> doxy for one of our rescues because it was causing problems.
>
> thoughts and prayers with you,
> Laurie
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 7:24 PM
> *Subject:* breathing issues
>
> We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened.  He
> fought and now is gasping for air.  My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow
> and we'll take him in.  If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will
> have to make a decision.  He seems to be in respiratory distress.  This cat
> is so high strung.  My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they
> took turns going up to visit him.  He seems to be afraid of everyone and
> then starts breathing even heavier.  Honestly I did not notice this with him
> when we first got him.  It has only been within the week that I've noticed
> his sides heaving more than they did.  I have this horrible feeling that he
> is going down hill quickly.  I so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to
> breath.  I just pray that tomorrow I wake up and he's better.
>
> Lynne
>
>


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Re: breathing issues

[laurieskatz]

This sounds encouraging. Keisha's lungs were making a clicking sound when she 
was in CHF.

I still feel that BooBoo is going to be ok. 

When I couldn't sleep for worrying about Teddy (breathing issues), a kind woman 
suggested I breathe in "Peace" and breathe out "Negativity". Believe it or not, 
this did get me through the nights. (Still does, when I need it). I couldn't 
think other words when I repeated these words with my breaths.

God bless,
Laurie

  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:11 PM
  Subject: Re: breathing issues


  Thanks Laurie.  I am going to stop the Doxy.  It is just simply too much 
trauma for him.  His heart and lungs were checked out again last visit and 
aside from a grade 1 systolic murmur his heart is fine.  My 19 year old cat has 
one of those, I have one of those and they pose little threat.  He was fine 
after the neutering.  He is on no meds except the Doxycycline.  Bob was just 
upstairs listening to his heart and lungs with a stethascope and says his lungs 
are clear and he ate a bit.  He's just so weak though.  He walks a foot and 
lays down.  His sides are still heaving somewhat but he isn't breathing through 
his mouth at the moment.  He did have a bit of a fever when we saw the vet on 
Friday but as it is now he is cool to the touch, not like he was a few days 
ago.  If he's ok tomorrow, I will call Dr. Gill but other than the interferon 
that will be arriving next week, I am not going to put this cat through any 
more.  He just isn't up to it.  If all he does is sleep his life away I can 
deal with that.  I really don't think he's having a reaction to the Doxy, just 
the giving of it.  He can't stand being restrained or picked up.  He is very 
loveable on his terms and will lay beside me, but at a safe distance.  He just 
isn't used to people like Bob and I who are probably overbearing when it comes 
to giving attention and affection.

  Thanks so much Laurie for your kind thoughts.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: breathing issues


Lynne, can you put him in the bathroom with a steamy shower. That is one 
way to help him breathe. We did this with our asthmatic cat when he had attacks 
(and before there were inhaled meds for feline asthma). I would discontinue the 
doxy if it were me and, if he is breathing normally, give him a few days to 
eat, etc. Is he eating? IF he is in respiratory distress, I would get him to 
the vet. It could be congestive heart failure which can be treated successfully 
sometimes. Please don't give up emotionally. Booboo will sense it. 

I am trying to remember. Wasn't he fine when you first got him and after 
his neuter? Is he on any meds that could be causing this reaction? Was that one 
of the side effects in the doxy info I sent? I think we discontinued the doxy 
for one of our rescues because it was causing problems.

thoughts and prayers with you,
Laurie 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:24 PM
  Subject: breathing issues


  We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened.  He 
fought and now is gasping for air.  My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow and 
we'll take him in.  If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will have to 
make a decision.  He seems to be in respiratory distress.  This cat is so high 
strung.  My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they took turns going 
up to visit him.  He seems to be afraid of everyone and then starts breathing 
even heavier.  Honestly I did not notice this with him when we first got him.  
It has only been within the week that I've noticed his sides heaving more than 
they did.  I have this horrible feeling that he is going down hill quickly.  I 
so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to breath.  I just pray that 
tomorrow I wake up and he's better.

  Lynne 

Re: breathing issues

[Lynne]

Thank you Sally.  This certainly is a journey.  I so respect and admire all you 
wonderful people.  

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:05 PM
  Subject: Re: breathing issues


  I would be worried it might be an allergic reaction to the doxy. My Junior 
took Baytril for the anemia and it cleared up. It is in a different class of 
drugs. The shower thing seems to be a good idea especially if he is congested. 
Junior has a vaporizer, the steam kind. He pretty much stays congested now. I 
still feel like I am on a roller coaster with him. I will be praying for BooBoo 
as well.

  Sally


  On Feb 18, 2008 8:24 PM, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened.  He 
fought and now is gasping for air.  My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow and 
we'll take him in.  If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will have to 
make a decision.  He seems to be in respiratory distress.  This cat is so high 
strung.  My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they took turns going 
up to visit him.  He seems to be afraid of everyone and then starts breathing 
even heavier.  Honestly I did not notice this with him when we first got him.  
It has only been within the week that I've noticed his sides heaving more than 
they did.  I have this horrible feeling that he is going down hill quickly.  I 
so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to breath.  I just pray that 
tomorrow I wake up and he's better.

Lynne 



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Re: breathing issues

[Lynne]

Thanks Laurie.  I am going to stop the Doxy.  It is just simply too much trauma 
for him.  His heart and lungs were checked out again last visit and aside from 
a grade 1 systolic murmur his heart is fine.  My 19 year old cat has one of 
those, I have one of those and they pose little threat.  He was fine after the 
neutering.  He is on no meds except the Doxycycline.  Bob was just upstairs 
listening to his heart and lungs with a stethascope and says his lungs are 
clear and he ate a bit.  He's just so weak though.  He walks a foot and lays 
down.  His sides are still heaving somewhat but he isn't breathing through his 
mouth at the moment.  He did have a bit of a fever when we saw the vet on 
Friday but as it is now he is cool to the touch, not like he was a few days 
ago.  If he's ok tomorrow, I will call Dr. Gill but other than the interferon 
that will be arriving next week, I am not going to put this cat through any 
more.  He just isn't up to it.  If all he does is sleep his life away I can 
deal with that.  I really don't think he's having a reaction to the Doxy, just 
the giving of it.  He can't stand being restrained or picked up.  He is very 
loveable on his terms and will lay beside me, but at a safe distance.  He just 
isn't used to people like Bob and I who are probably overbearing when it comes 
to giving attention and affection.

Thanks so much Laurie for your kind thoughts.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:58 PM
  Subject: Re: breathing issues


  Lynne, can you put him in the bathroom with a steamy shower. That is one way 
to help him breathe. We did this with our asthmatic cat when he had attacks 
(and before there were inhaled meds for feline asthma). I would discontinue the 
doxy if it were me and, if he is breathing normally, give him a few days to 
eat, etc. Is he eating? IF he is in respiratory distress, I would get him to 
the vet. It could be congestive heart failure which can be treated successfully 
sometimes. Please don't give up emotionally. Booboo will sense it. 

  I am trying to remember. Wasn't he fine when you first got him and after his 
neuter? Is he on any meds that could be causing this reaction? Was that one of 
the side effects in the doxy info I sent? I think we discontinued the doxy for 
one of our rescues because it was causing problems.

  thoughts and prayers with you,
  Laurie 
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: breathing issues


We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened.  He 
fought and now is gasping for air.  My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow and 
we'll take him in.  If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will have to 
make a decision.  He seems to be in respiratory distress.  This cat is so high 
strung.  My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they took turns going 
up to visit him.  He seems to be afraid of everyone and then starts breathing 
even heavier.  Honestly I did not notice this with him when we first got him.  
It has only been within the week that I've noticed his sides heaving more than 
they did.  I have this horrible feeling that he is going down hill quickly.  I 
so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to breath.  I just pray that 
tomorrow I wake up and he's better.

Lynne 

Re: Cluster prayers needed

[laurieskatz]

prayers your way.
Last year all six of mine were sick at once. turned out Frankie brought home an 
infection from the vet's clinic. all the vet techs' cats were sick and one was 
tapping Frankie on the nose as she held him for a blood draw. Mine were 
vomiting, diarrhea and anorexic. It was a nightmare. Healthy thoughts for you 
and your babies.
L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:47 PM
  Subject: Cluster prayers needed


  Was not sure what to call it,but several of our babies are under the weather 
and need good thoughts and prayers.
  Melina is at the clinic with mouth ulcers
  Orion is having mouth issues
  Finlay not well
  Demetri not well 
  Gustav under the weather.
  The first 3 are at the clinic and I get so worried when they go there,just 
never know what will happen.Sweet little Melina has just totally stole my heart 
and I really missed seeing her tonight.I was late getting there because of the 
crappy weather and just missed her. :(
  Any prayers and good wishes are greatly needed.Thank you all so much
  Sherry


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Re: breathing issues

[Sally Davis]

I would be worried it might be an allergic reaction to the doxy. My Junior
took Baytril for the anemia and it cleared up. It is in a different class of
drugs. The shower thing seems to be a good idea especially if he is
congested. Junior has a vaporizer, the steam kind. He pretty much stays
congested now. I still feel like I am on a roller coaster with him. I will
be praying for BooBoo as well.

Sally

On Feb 18, 2008 8:24 PM, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened.  He
> fought and now is gasping for air.  My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow
> and we'll take him in.  If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will
> have to make a decision.  He seems to be in respiratory distress.  This cat
> is so high strung.  My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they
> took turns going up to visit him.  He seems to be afraid of everyone and
> then starts breathing even heavier.  Honestly I did not notice this with him
> when we first got him.  It has only been within the week that I've noticed
> his sides heaving more than they did.  I have this horrible feeling that he
> is going down hill quickly.  I so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to
> breath.  I just pray that tomorrow I wake up and he's better.
>
> Lynne
>



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Re: Cluster prayers needed

[Sherry DeHaan]

Lynne I will have BooBoo in my prayers too

Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  You have them Sherry.  I'm not gonna 
get much sleep tonight worrying about my little guy.  I just pray he's still 
alive tomorrow and showing even a slight sign of improvement.
   
  Lynne
- Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:47 PM
  Subject: Cluster prayers needed
  

  Was not sure what to call it,but several of our babies are under the weather 
and need good thoughts and prayers.
  Melina is at the clinic with mouth ulcers
  Orion is having mouth issues
  Finlay not well
  Demetri not well 
  Gustav under the weather.
  The first 3 are at the clinic and I get so worried when they go there,just 
never know what will happen.Sweet little Melina has just totally stole my heart 
and I really missed seeing her tonig ht.I was late getting there because of the 
crappy weather and just missed her. :(
  Any prayers and good wishes are greatly needed.Thank you all so much
  Sherry

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Re: Cluster prayers needed

[Lynne]

You have them Sherry.  I'm not gonna get much sleep tonight worrying about my 
little guy.  I just pray he's still alive tomorrow and showing even a slight 
sign of improvement.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:47 PM
  Subject: Cluster prayers needed


  Was not sure what to call it,but several of our babies are under the weather 
and need good thoughts and prayers.
  Melina is at the clinic with mouth ulcers
  Orion is having mouth issues
  Finlay not well
  Demetri not well 
  Gustav under the weather.
  The first 3 are at the clinic and I get so worried when they go there,just 
never know what will happen.Sweet little Melina has just totally stole my heart 
and I really missed seeing her tonig ht.I was late getting there because of the 
crappy weather and just missed her. :(
  Any prayers and good wishes are greatly needed.Thank you all so much
  Sherry


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Re: breathing issues

[laurieskatz]

Lynne, can you put him in the bathroom with a steamy shower. That is one way to 
help him breathe. We did this with our asthmatic cat when he had attacks (and 
before there were inhaled meds for feline asthma). I would discontinue the doxy 
if it were me and, if he is breathing normally, give him a few days to eat, 
etc. Is he eating? IF he is in respiratory distress, I would get him to the 
vet. It could be congestive heart failure which can be treated successfully 
sometimes. Please don't give up emotionally. Booboo will sense it. 

I am trying to remember. Wasn't he fine when you first got him and after his 
neuter? Is he on any meds that could be causing this reaction? Was that one of 
the side effects in the doxy info I sent? I think we discontinued the doxy for 
one of our rescues because it was causing problems.

thoughts and prayers with you,
Laurie 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:24 PM
  Subject: breathing issues


  We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened.  He 
fought and now is gasping for air.  My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow and 
we'll take him in.  If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will have to 
make a decision.  He seems to be in respiratory distress.  This cat is so high 
strung.  My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they took turns going 
up to visit him.  He seems to be afraid of everyone and then starts breathing 
even heavier.  Honestly I did not notice this with him when we first got him.  
It has only been within the week that I've noticed his sides heaving more than 
they did.  I have this horrible feeling that he is going down hill quickly.  I 
so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to breath.  I just pray that 
tomorrow I wake up and he's better.

  Lynne 

Re: Cluster prayers needed

[Sally Davis]

I am so sorry..I will keep them in my prayers.

Sally

On Feb 18, 2008 8:47 PM, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Was not sure what to call it,but several of our babies are under the
> weather and need good thoughts and prayers.
> Melina is at the clinic with mouth ulcers
> Orion is having mouth issues
> Finlay not well
> Demetri not well
> Gustav under the weather.
> The first 3 are at the clinic and I get so worried when they go there,just
> never know what will happen.Sweet little Melina has just totally stole my
> heart and I really missed seeing her tonight.I was late getting there
> because of the crappy weather and just missed her. :(
> Any prayers and good wishes are greatly needed.Thank you all so much
> Sherry
>
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> homepage.
>
>


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Cluster prayers needed

[Sherry DeHaan]

Was not sure what to call it,but several of our babies are under the weather 
and need good thoughts and prayers.
  Melina is at the clinic with mouth ulcers
  Orion is having mouth issues
  Finlay not well
  Demetri not well 
  Gustav under the weather.
  The first 3 are at the clinic and I get so worried when they go there,just 
never know what will happen.Sweet little Melina has just totally stole my heart 
and I really missed seeing her tonight.I was late getting there because of the 
crappy weather and just missed her. :(
  Any prayers and good wishes are greatly needed.Thank you all so much
  Sherry

   
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breathing issues

[Lynne]

We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened.  He fought 
and now is gasping for air.  My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow and we'll 
take him in.  If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will have to make a 
decision.  He seems to be in respiratory distress.  This cat is so high strung. 
 My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they took turns going up to 
visit him.  He seems to be afraid of everyone and then starts breathing even 
heavier.  Honestly I did not notice this with him when we first got him.  It 
has only been within the week that I've noticed his sides heaving more than 
they did.  I have this horrible feeling that he is going down hill quickly.  I 
so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to breath.  I just pray that 
tomorrow I wake up and he's better.

Lynne 

Re: o/t cat facial expressions

[Marylyn]

You aren't imaging anything.  When the Royal Princess Kitty Katt was  
pissed off at me she would slap me around, march to the foot of the  
bed, perch like  a hen, thin about it then march right back up to me  
and slap me around again.  When Ebony Thomas Katt was learning social  
skills and becoming an indoor cat I gently smacked his nose when he  
snarled at me too many times (mother-cat style).  When I left for  
school (he was well provided for) and came back on the first weekend,  
he got in my lap and snacked my nose twice--just to make sure I  
understood he was doing it intentionally.  I could go on for a week.   
They have expressions and they behave intentionally.   Ebony let me  
know when it was ok for  a nephew to pet him and when it wasn't; Dixie  
lets me know when it is time for various things (take cover from  
storms, feed Hunter or PC--ferals who live at two different houses,  
check on whatever is on the porch etc/).  Mom's ferals let her know  
when they are hungry, when there is a dog or fox around.  I can keep  
on going but you get the idea.

On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:53 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

I'm just wondering, what do y'all think--do we imagine facial  
expressions on our cats -- and put our own interpretation on them --  
or do they actually reflect a real mood?!
Lynne's mention of BooBoo scowling makes me think of one of my  
ferals who I swear looks, in turn, frequently pissed off at me (when  
I won't let him mix without supervision -- he sprays), guilty (when  
he gets the better of me, and sprays), and disdainful (when I bring  
one of my tame cats to see him and his Buddy). One of my tame cats,  
Katyis, also has a marvellous "indignant" expression that he pulls  
on me following (to my mind) imagined slights.

Kerry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
] On Behalf Of Lynne

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties

No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water immediately after the doxy  
so I don't know which caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.   
I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly  
I'm afraid to go upstairs.  I'm sure he does sense my anxiety.  He  
does not like to be held or confined in any manner.  What bugs me  
though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him,  
give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't  
argue, fight, nothing, just scowel.


Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: laurieskatz
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties

Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy?  
Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask  
about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not  
mixed in food). Midas hated it too.


It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give  
him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it.  
This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled  
meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we  
are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat  
down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our "mood"...I hope this  
makes sense. I just got up.

L
- Original Message -
From: Lynne
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: breathing difficulties

I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being  
given this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe  
after it as well.  Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing  
through his mouth for about 10 minutes.  He is anemic and breathes  
heavily under normal circumstances.  I can't imagine what kind of  
stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  Should I try  
mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get the  
appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm  
beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and  
perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without  
intervention.  I hate this.  One minute he seems perky and now he's  
just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he was having  
problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and  
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more  
this little guy can tolerate.


Lynne
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Re: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie

[laurieskatz]

thanks Kerry!
Hugs back,
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:15 PM
  Subject: RE: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie


  Thanks so much for taking the time to share your stories for the "good story" 
list Laurie---boy, they are so inspiring. Squeaky, Stripes and Bellaboo were so 
very lucky to find you. What a great age Squeaky and Stripes lived to, as well! 
And kudos to you for having more sense and compassion than all those vets put 
together. Bellaboo's story is hugely encouraging-she really is a walking 
miracle! I'm SO glad you found a great vet in the endI know what a 
difference that makes.
  hugs, Kerry


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:55 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie


  Sass went to live in her house with her. He adjusted well to the group of 
kitties there. The feline leukemia positive kitties are in a room in another 
house on her property (heated, AC, access to screened porch and lots of 
visitors). 

  I would be honored to have my story shared. Here are more details:

  I adopted Squeaky (age 8) and Stripes (age 9) from a woman whose step 
daughter was allergic to cats. She was going to euthanize them if she could not 
find a home. She loved them but didn't know what to do other than run an ad. I 
was a graduate student looking in the paper for a pair of older, neutered cats 
to adopt. They were great cats and beautiful. Squeaky would play with Stripes' 
tail. Stripes loved to lay on my chest with his front paws pressed against my 
chin. Squeaky loved our nightly combing. They chased aluminum foil balls down 
the stairs, claimed any blue jeans left laying around, chattered at the birds 
and licked the fingers of any visitors who smoked. They also slept on their 
mom's husband's jeans, which he laid on the bed when he got home from work. 
And, he smoked. Nancy and I stayed in touch during the boys' lives. 

  Nancy had adopted both as kittens. Stripes was adopted from someone whose cat 
had a litter and Squeaky was adopted from a shelter a year later. After I 
adopted them, Stripes was sick on and off. One time I came home and his mouth 
was hanging open. The vet thought Squeaky bit him (no way) and gave him a shot 
that paralyzed his rear legs. I rushed him to another vet who told me he would 
not recover. We put the mattress on the floor so he could crawl into bed. He 
miraculously recovered. I found a new vet the next time Stripes got sick. He 
tested both of them and they were positive for feline leukemia! Since Squeaky 
had never been sick, the vet said he was likely a "carrier" , carrying the 
virus in his bone marrow. Stripes lived to age 16. He was sick on and off his 
entire 7 years with me. Squeaky lived to age 22! He was sick only his last 3 
weeks of life (oral cancer). Except: he was sick for 3 days each time he had a 
feline leukemia vaccination (no vet could ever explain this to me). Of course, 
they stopped getting FeLV vaccinations after their positive test results. Both 
boys were big. They weighed 15 lbs. Stripes was a brown tabby and Squeaky was a 
gray tabby. Squeaky died October 30, 1996. He was my soul mate. We spent many 
years together ~ just the two of us.
  
  May 2007 my 13 year old niece rescued a smoke black tortie. She tested 
positive for FeLV. The vet literally stopped examing her when the tech told him 
this. I told him we were not going to euthanize her. We scheduled her for a 
spay. We scheduled her 3 times and each time we took her to be spayed, her temp 
was higher than the time before. It topped at 107. She was anemic and had this 
unexplained temp. We took her to an internal medicine specialist. We discovered 
she had enlarged spleen but all the other news was good (nothing else evident 
on ultrasound). Isabella was sick for  3 months. A couple times we thought she 
was dead when we went to feed her. She had unexplained pain and would have 
tremors or seizures. We even considered euthanizing her because of her pain. 
But, instead we found a wonderful vet. She prescribed antibiotics, prednisilone 
and tramadal (for pain). Isabella thrived. We also use interferon ~ 7 days on 
and 7 days off. "Bellaboo", as her foster and now adoptive mom calls her, never 
lost her appetite which helped her get better. She has almost doubled her 
weight. We've had her tested 2 more times and she has been positive each time. 
Her white blood count is still a little low but she is otherwise happy and 
healthy and loved! The vet saw her 2 weeks ago. Here is what she said "Hey 
Laurie!  Little Isabella looks GORGEOUS!!!  What a beautiful kitty she has 
turned into!"   
  I believe the love of her foster mommy, a low stress living environment ~ 
just Bella and

RE: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks so much for taking the time to share your stories for the "good
story" list Laurie---boy, they are so inspiring. Squeaky, Stripes and
Bellaboo were so very lucky to find you. What a great age Squeaky and
Stripes lived to, as well! And kudos to you for having more sense and
compassion than all those vets put together. Bellaboo's story is hugely
encouraging-she really is a walking miracle! I'm SO glad you found a
great vet in the endI know what a difference that makes.
hugs, Kerry
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie


Sass went to live in her house with her. He adjusted well to the group
of kitties there. The feline leukemia positive kitties are in a room in
another house on her property (heated, AC, access to screened porch and
lots of visitors). 
 
I would be honored to have my story shared. Here are more details:
 
I adopted Squeaky (age 8) and Stripes (age 9) from a woman whose step
daughter was allergic to cats. She was going to euthanize them if she
could not find a home. She loved them but didn't know what to do other
than run an ad. I was a graduate student looking in the paper for a pair
of older, neutered cats to adopt. They were great cats and beautiful.
Squeaky would play with Stripes' tail. Stripes loved to lay on my chest
with his front paws pressed against my chin. Squeaky loved our nightly
combing. They chased aluminum foil balls down the stairs, claimed any
blue jeans left laying around, chattered at the birds and licked the
fingers of any visitors who smoked. They also slept on their mom's
husband's jeans, which he laid on the bed when he got home from work.
And, he smoked. Nancy and I stayed in touch during the boys' lives. 
 
Nancy had adopted both as kittens. Stripes was adopted from someone
whose cat had a litter and Squeaky was adopted from a shelter a year
later. After I adopted them, Stripes was sick on and off. One time I
came home and his mouth was hanging open. The vet thought Squeaky bit
him (no way) and gave him a shot that paralyzed his rear legs. I rushed
him to another vet who told me he would not recover. We put the mattress
on the floor so he could crawl into bed. He miraculously recovered. I
found a new vet the next time Stripes got sick. He tested both of them
and they were positive for feline leukemia! Since Squeaky had never been
sick, the vet said he was likely a "carrier" , carrying the virus in his
bone marrow. Stripes lived to age 16. He was sick on and off his entire
7 years with me. Squeaky lived to age 22! He was sick only his last 3
weeks of life (oral cancer). Except: he was sick for 3 days each time he
had a feline leukemia vaccination (no vet could ever explain this to
me). Of course, they stopped getting FeLV vaccinations after their
positive test results. Both boys were big. They weighed 15 lbs. Stripes
was a brown tabby and Squeaky was a gray tabby. Squeaky died October 30,
1996. He was my soul mate. We spent many years together ~ just the two
of us.

May 2007 my 13 year old niece rescued a smoke black tortie. She tested
positive for FeLV. The vet literally stopped examing her when the tech
told him this. I told him we were not going to euthanize her. We
scheduled her for a spay. We scheduled her 3 times and each time we took
her to be spayed, her temp was higher than the time before. It topped at
107. She was anemic and had this unexplained temp. We took her to an
internal medicine specialist. We discovered she had enlarged spleen but
all the other news was good (nothing else evident on ultrasound).
Isabella was sick for  3 months. A couple times we thought she was dead
when we went to feed her. She had unexplained pain and would have
tremors or seizures. We even considered euthanizing her because of her
pain. But, instead we found a wonderful vet. She prescribed antibiotics,
prednisilone and tramadal (for pain). Isabella thrived. We also use
interferon ~ 7 days on and 7 days off. "Bellaboo", as her foster and now
adoptive mom calls her, never lost her appetite which helped her get
better. She has almost doubled her weight. We've had her tested 2 more
times and she has been positive each time. Her white blood count is
still a little low but she is otherwise happy and healthy and loved! The
vet saw her 2 weeks ago. Here is what she said "Hey Laurie!  Little
Isabella looks GORGEOUS!!!  What a beautiful kitty she has turned into!"

I believe the love of her foster mommy, a low stress living environment
~ just Bella and her mommy ~ and great vet care are what saved Bellaboo.
I believe in miracles!
Laurie 
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Re: breathing difficulties

[Belinda Sauro]

  I am referring to the vit b here:

  Fred is anemic with his CRF and the others just for GP, it can't 
hurt, any they don't need just gets peed out.


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Re: breathing difficulties

[Belinda Sauro]

  Fred is anemic with his CRF and the others just for GP, it can't 
hurt, any they don't need just gets peed out.


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vitamins

[Lynne]

I read somewhere that it is a good idea to give these cats .25 ml of a 
pediatric vitamin supplement.  Any thoughts on this?

Lynne

Re: diarrhea

[Gloria Lane]

I sometimes use veterinary Kaopectate.  It's not what's on the store  
shelves, cause they've changed the formula and it's not safe for  
cats.  But the old formulation was - and somehow, thru our vet, we  
got the "safe" old formulation of Kaopectate.  It's worked well for  
my kitties, for many occasions of nonspecific diarrhea.


Gloria



On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Lynne wrote:

Laurie, I will call the vet just to see if there is something else  
we should be doing.  I just had a long talk with BooBoo about the  
necessity of fighting his hardest to overcome this problem.  He was  
purring all the time.  I know this sounds silly but it's up to him  
too as to how much he wants to put up with.  This seems to be one  
of those bad days and we'll just deal with it.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: laurieskatz
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: diarrhea

Lynne, I would also call your vet and let him or her know about the  
diarrhea.
I want to reassure you that we thought both Midas and Isabella  
would not make it this past year. They are both thriving.

It's hard to see past today's troubles but hope keeps us going.
My best
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: Lynne
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: diarrhea

Two weeks Laurie.  I picked up some yogurt so I'll try offering him  
some of that.

- Original Message -
From: laurieskatz
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: diarrhea

Could be the different foods, too. Or stress. Or a combination of  
factors.

The probiotics or yogurt mentioned might help with this.
I recall that Midas the kitten had diarrhea until we got him off  
all his meds.

I am sorry to hear BooBoo has this to contend with, too.
How many days go you have to give the doxy?
L

- Original Message -
From: Lynne
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:00 AM
Subject: diarrhea

I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and  
doxycycline.  Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with  
this side effect.  He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't  
agreeing with him.


Lynne

Re: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie

[Lynne]

This is an amazing story and certainly gives one hope.
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie


  Sass went to live in her house with her. He adjusted well to the group of 
kitties there. The feline leukemia positive kitties are in a room in another 
house on her property (heated, AC, access to screened porch and lots of 
visitors). 

  I would be honored to have my story shared. Here are more details:

  I adopted Squeaky (age 8) and Stripes (age 9) from a woman whose step 
daughter was allergic to cats. She was going to euthanize them if she could not 
find a home. She loved them but didn't know what to do other than run an ad. I 
was a graduate student looking in the paper for a pair of older, neutered cats 
to adopt. They were great cats and beautiful. Squeaky would play with Stripes' 
tail. Stripes loved to lay on my chest with his front paws pressed against my 
chin. Squeaky loved our nightly combing. They chased aluminum foil balls down 
the stairs, claimed any blue jeans left laying around, chattered at the birds 
and licked the fingers of any visitors who smoked. They also slept on their 
mom's husband's jeans, which he laid on the bed when he got home from work. 
And, he smoked. Nancy and I stayed in touch during the boys' lives. 

  Nancy had adopted both as kittens. Stripes was adopted from someone whose cat 
had a litter and Squeaky was adopted from a shelter a year later. After I 
adopted them, Stripes was sick on and off. One time I came home and his mouth 
was hanging open. The vet thought Squeaky bit him (no way) and gave him a shot 
that paralyzed his rear legs. I rushed him to another vet who told me he would 
not recover. We put the mattress on the floor so he could crawl into bed. He 
miraculously recovered. I found a new vet the next time Stripes got sick. He 
tested both of them and they were positive for feline leukemia! Since Squeaky 
had never been sick, the vet said he was likely a "carrier" , carrying the 
virus in his bone marrow. Stripes lived to age 16. He was sick on and off his 
entire 7 years with me. Squeaky lived to age 22! He was sick only his last 3 
weeks of life (oral cancer). Except: he was sick for 3 days each time he had a 
feline leukemia vaccination (no vet could ever explain this to me). Of course, 
they stopped getting FeLV vaccinations after their positive test results. Both 
boys were big. They weighed 15 lbs. Stripes was a brown tabby and Squeaky was a 
gray tabby. Squeaky died October 30, 1996. He was my soul mate. We spent many 
years together ~ just the two of us.
  
  May 2007 my 13 year old niece rescued a smoke black tortie. She tested 
positive for FeLV. The vet literally stopped examing her when the tech told him 
this. I told him we were not going to euthanize her. We scheduled her for a 
spay. We scheduled her 3 times and each time we took her to be spayed, her temp 
was higher than the time before. It topped at 107. She was anemic and had this 
unexplained temp. We took her to an internal medicine specialist. We discovered 
she had enlarged spleen but all the other news was good (nothing else evident 
on ultrasound). Isabella was sick for  3 months. A couple times we thought she 
was dead when we went to feed her. She had unexplained pain and would have 
tremors or seizures. We even considered euthanizing her because of her pain. 
But, instead we found a wonderful vet. She prescribed antibiotics, prednisilone 
and tramadal (for pain). Isabella thrived. We also use interferon ~ 7 days on 
and 7 days off. "Bellaboo", as her foster and now adoptive mom calls her, never 
lost her appetite which helped her get better. She has almost doubled her 
weight. We've had her tested 2 more times and she has been positive each time. 
Her white blood count is still a little low but she is otherwise happy and 
healthy and loved! The vet saw her 2 weeks ago. Here is what she said "Hey 
Laurie!  Little Isabella looks GORGEOUS!!!  What a beautiful kitty she has 
turned into!"   
  I believe the love of her foster mommy, a low stress living environment ~ 
just Bella and her mommy ~ and great vet care are what saved Bellaboo. I 
believe in miracles!
  Laurie 
  Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Transdermal meds/compounded treats ~ contact info

[laurieskatz]

We give Isabella's pred and tramadal via transdermal application to the ear.  
Franck's Lab.(800) 328-7060.

I give Lucy her benazapril compounded into a chicken flavored treat (not a pill 
pocket but the med is mixed into a treat by the pharmacy). She eats it with her 
breakfast.  BCP Veterinary Pharmacy.   www.bcpvetpharm.com   800-481-1729
 
No stress for anyone. I love transdermal and compounded treats!
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:35 AM
  Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


  You can also get some meds compounded transdermally and put them in the ear.  
I

RE: breathing difficulties

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

This is very helpful Belinda thanks. I'm going to try doing it this way.

Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


Here is a pictorial, this is closer to how I do it but I do it from 
the front, but basically the same.  Always be calm and not stressed when

pilling, Boo will pick it up if you are feeling stressed and it will 
affect him.

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/pilling_a_cat.html

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Re: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie

[laurieskatz]

Sass went to live in her house with her. He adjusted well to the group of 
kitties there. The feline leukemia positive kitties are in a room in another 
house on her property (heated, AC, access to screened porch and lots of 
visitors). 

I would be honored to have my story shared. Here are more details:

I adopted Squeaky (age 8) and Stripes (age 9) from a woman whose step daughter 
was allergic to cats. She was going to euthanize them if she could not find a 
home. She loved them but didn't know what to do other than run an ad. I was a 
graduate student looking in the paper for a pair of older, neutered cats to 
adopt. They were great cats and beautiful. Squeaky would play with Stripes' 
tail. Stripes loved to lay on my chest with his front paws pressed against my 
chin. Squeaky loved our nightly combing. They chased aluminum foil balls down 
the stairs, claimed any blue jeans left laying around, chattered at the birds 
and licked the fingers of any visitors who smoked. They also slept on their 
mom's husband's jeans, which he laid on the bed when he got home from work. 
And, he smoked. Nancy and I stayed in touch during the boys' lives. 

Nancy had adopted both as kittens. Stripes was adopted from someone whose cat 
had a litter and Squeaky was adopted from a shelter a year later. After I 
adopted them, Stripes was sick on and off. One time I came home and his mouth 
was hanging open. The vet thought Squeaky bit him (no way) and gave him a shot 
that paralyzed his rear legs. I rushed him to another vet who told me he would 
not recover. We put the mattress on the floor so he could crawl into bed. He 
miraculously recovered. I found a new vet the next time Stripes got sick. He 
tested both of them and they were positive for feline leukemia! Since Squeaky 
had never been sick, the vet said he was likely a "carrier" , carrying the 
virus in his bone marrow. Stripes lived to age 16. He was sick on and off his 
entire 7 years with me. Squeaky lived to age 22! He was sick only his last 3 
weeks of life (oral cancer). Except: he was sick for 3 days each time he had a 
feline leukemia vaccination (no vet could ever explain this to me). Of course, 
they stopped getting FeLV vaccinations after their positive test results. Both 
boys were big. They weighed 15 lbs. Stripes was a brown tabby and Squeaky was a 
gray tabby. Squeaky died October 30, 1996. He was my soul mate. We spent many 
years together ~ just the two of us.

May 2007 my 13 year old niece rescued a smoke black tortie. She tested positive 
for FeLV. The vet literally stopped examing her when the tech told him this. I 
told him we were not going to euthanize her. We scheduled her for a spay. We 
scheduled her 3 times and each time we took her to be spayed, her temp was 
higher than the time before. It topped at 107. She was anemic and had this 
unexplained temp. We took her to an internal medicine specialist. We discovered 
she had enlarged spleen but all the other news was good (nothing else evident 
on ultrasound). Isabella was sick for  3 months. A couple times we thought she 
was dead when we went to feed her. She had unexplained pain and would have 
tremors or seizures. We even considered euthanizing her because of her pain. 
But, instead we found a wonderful vet. She prescribed antibiotics, prednisilone 
and tramadal (for pain). Isabella thrived. We also use interferon ~ 7 days on 
and 7 days off. "Bellaboo", as her foster and now adoptive mom calls her, never 
lost her appetite which helped her get better. She has almost doubled her 
weight. We've had her tested 2 more times and she has been positive each time. 
Her white blood count is still a little low but she is otherwise happy and 
healthy and loved! The vet saw her 2 weeks ago. Here is what she said "Hey 
Laurie!  Little Isabella looks GORGEOUS!!!  What a beautiful kitty she has 
turned into!"   
I believe the love of her foster mommy, a low stress living environment ~ just 
Bella and her mommy ~ and great vet care are what saved Bellaboo. I believe in 
miracles!
Laurie 
Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Re: breathing difficulties

[Lynne]

Thanks for the video Belinda.  How terrific.  Of course that should work the
same way with the syringe squirt.  At the vets when he gave BooBoo the flea
pill he didn't even have to hold him.  He just tilted his head as you show
and popped it in.  He did wait a bit to see that he had swallowed it.  You
know, I was wondering about Vitamin B shots.  We have several patients at
work who get them for anemia.  My vet hasn't suggested it though.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "Belinda Sauro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


>  Lynne,
>I'm sorry the doxy is so hard to administer, I wouldn't worry about
> the injections though, just get a small needle, insulin size, I get them
> from my local pharmacy.  I give all my guys a vitamin b once a week and
> none notice the needle at all, some do notice the vit b going in because
> I guess it can sting a bit, but even then they don't mind much, just a
> grouch from them but by the time they grouch at me it's over.
> Injections for me anyway, are the easiest way to go, if anything comes
> as an injectable that is my first choice, pills second.  None of my guys
> like liquids and they aren't fooled by pill pockets.
>
> I have learned to give pills because Fred my CRF guy gets them 5 times a
> day and it wasn't easy at first.  I finally took a deep breathe pictured
> in my head how the vet does and and I now do it the same way.  Grab his
> jaw on both sides with my thumb and forefinger while my palm is across
> the top part of his head, then use the forefinger of my other hand to
> pull the bottom jaw down, put the pill as far back as I can and he
> usually swallows. Once you get the hang of it it is really easy to do, I
> always make sure he eats a few bites after and if he won't I give him a
> squirt of water.  Here is a video that may help.
>
> http://www.felinevideos.vet.cornell.edu/pill_or_capsule/index.shtml
>
> --
>
> Belinda
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>
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Re: breathing difficulties

[Kelley Saveika]

You can also get some meds compounded transdermally and put them in the
ear.  I have one boy who hates pills and hates liquids, but ESPECIALLY
pillsI've had him for 12.5 years and he runs from me when he knows I
have a pillI've never seen a cat fight so hard when being pilled.
Anyway it helps our relationship if I get the meds compounded transdermally
so I do whenever possible.

On 2/18/08, Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Here is a pictorial, this is closer to how I do it but I do it from
> the front, but basically the same.  Always be calm and not stressed when
> pilling, Boo will pick it up if you are feeling stressed and it will
> affect him.
>
> http://www.marvistavet.com/html/pilling_a_cat.html
>
> --
>
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Re: breathing difficulties

[Belinda Sauro]

   Here is a pictorial, this is closer to how I do it but I do it from 
the front, but basically the same.  Always be calm and not stressed when 
pilling, Boo will pick it up if you are feeling stressed and it will 
affect him.


http://www.marvistavet.com/html/pilling_a_cat.html

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Re: breathing difficulties

[Belinda Sauro]

Lynne,
  I'm sorry the doxy is so hard to administer, I wouldn't worry about 
the injections though, just get a small needle, insulin size, I get them 
from my local pharmacy.  I give all my guys a vitamin b once a week and 
none notice the needle at all, some do notice the vit b going in because 
I guess it can sting a bit, but even then they don't mind much, just a 
grouch from them but by the time they grouch at me it's over.  
Injections for me anyway, are the easiest way to go, if anything comes 
as an injectable that is my first choice, pills second.  None of my guys 
like liquids and they aren't fooled by pill pockets.


I have learned to give pills because Fred my CRF guy gets them 5 times a 
day and it wasn't easy at first.  I finally took a deep breathe pictured 
in my head how the vet does and and I now do it the same way.  Grab his 
jaw on both sides with my thumb and forefinger while my palm is across 
the top part of his head, then use the forefinger of my other hand to 
pull the bottom jaw down, put the pill as far back as I can and he 
usually swallows. Once you get the hang of it it is really easy to do, I 
always make sure he eats a few bites after and if he won't I give him a 
squirt of water.  Here is a video that may help.


http://www.felinevideos.vet.cornell.edu/pill_or_capsule/index.shtml

--

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Re: breathing difficulties

[Sherry DeHaan]

Jane that reminds me of when I had to give Maizee her big capsule full of meds 
everyday.We ended up having a routine.After she swallowed the pill for me I 
gave her a couple of finger dips of cool whip.She loved the stuff.When she saw 
me take out the bowl she would lick her chops.I miss that baby girl.

Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Lynne  Maybe you can give him something 
(if there is something) that he loves right after the dose. It would help him 
with
  the aftertaste. Can your husband help you when dosing him? When we had to 
dose MeMe it helped if one of us held her
  and petted her while the other opened her mouth and squirted it in.
  I can hear how discouraged you are.  I just want you to know that almost a 
year ago I brought MeMe home with
  a terrible upper respiratory, swollen gums, swollen lymph nodes, giardia and 
diarrhea. As I am typing this she is
  flying around the dining room, terrorizing two Scotties who cannot keep up 
with her.
  I know that BooBoo is on his own path, and that comparisons cannot be made.  
It is an emotional roller coaster,
  but sometimes things can level off.
  We're thinking of you, knowing how difficult this is.
  Jane
  

  

  

  

  

  

  
On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Lynne wrote:

I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being given 
this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as well.  
Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 
minutes.  He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I 
can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  
Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get 
the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to 
think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to 
just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate this.  One minute 
he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he 
was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and 
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more this little 
guy can tolerate.
   
  Lynne






   
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Re: breathing difficulties

[Lynne]

Oh DeDe it was compounded by my pharmacist, supposed to taste like chicken.
Maybe I can get them to add some more flavor.  It is pricey but I have the
very good fortune of working across the hall from these guys and we're all
friends.  They only charge me cost and no dispensing fee.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


> Lynn, we had to give doxy to one of our cats last
> year.  It can be compounded by a pharmacy to taste
> better.  It's not cheap, and there is a short shelf
> life.  Might be worth a try.
>
> I feel what you are going through.  My thoughts are
> with you.
>
> Dede
>
>
>
> --- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Laurie.  I needed to hear that.
> > Lynne
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: laurieskatz
> >   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >   Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:47 AM
> >   Subject: Re: breathing difficulties
> >
> >
> >   Vet isn't in same emotional space as you
> > are...could be the explanation.
> >   Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine.
> >   L
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Lynne
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: breathing difficulties
> >
> >
> > No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water
> > immediately after the doxy so I don't know which
> > caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.  I
> > stayed with him til he calmed down and went to
> > sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs.  I'm
> > sure he does sense my anxiety.  He does not like to
> > be held or confined in any manner.  What bugs me
> > though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do
> > anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and
> > BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight,
> > nothing, just scowel.
> >
> > Better go upstairs and make sure he's just
> > sleeping.
> >
> > Lynne
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: laurieskatz
> >   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >   Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
> >   Subject: Re: breathing difficulties
> >
> >
> >   Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the
> > water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't
> > working with him. I would call the vet and ask about
> > this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy
> > directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too.
> >
> >   It's really important thing is for YOU to be
> > calm before you give him the meds and don't think
> > about it before you actually do it. This is how I
> > got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take
> > inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also
> > think they can sense if we are going to give them a
> > med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to
> > do it. It did help. Our cats sense our "mood"...I
> > hope this makes sense. I just got up.
> >   L
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Lynne
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
> > Subject: breathing difficulties
> >
> >
> > I had a frightening event with BooBoo this
> > morning.  He hates being given this Doxy and fights
> > me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as
> > well.  Suddenly he started gasping for air,
> > breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes.
> > He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal
> > circumstances.  I can't imagine what kind of stress
> > the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  Should
> > I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's
> > doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I
> > did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to
> > think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and
> > perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its
> > course without intervention.  I hate this.  One
> > minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.
> > I spent the time with him while he was having
> > problems breathing comforting him, just to get him
> > settled down and even his purring was excessively
> > loud.  I don't know how much more this little guy
> > can tolerate.
> >
> > Lynne
> >
>
>
> "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the
service of your God"
>Mosiah 2:17
>
>
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Re: breathing difficulties

[Lynne]

Thank you Jane.  I don't know what I would do if I hadn't found this group.  I 
probably would have had BooBoo put down.  When the vet called that day to give 
us that option I immediately started reading all the posts and did some further 
research, all in about an hour and decided then and there we would fight this 
thing as long as possible and as long as Boo was not suffering.  I can't tell 
if he is suffering but I don't think he is.  The vet said his lungs were good 
and it could be that he seems so thin along his back that I notice the heavy 
breathing.  He does have sniffles as well so maybe the mouth breathing was what 
he had to do.  At the moment, I'm not feeling very optimistic about the outcome 
but of course that can change.  It all depends on my little boy.  My husband 
just put a humidifier upstairs hoping it will help him.  I have to stop myself 
from checking on him every little while so he can sleep.  He's very tired and I 
keep waking him.  As hard as it will be if he doesn't stay with us long, I 
think it would have been far worse if we had had him euthanized when it was 
suggested to us.  
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:51 AM
  Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


  Lynne
  Maybe you can give him something (if there is something) that he loves right 
after the dose. It would help him with
  the aftertaste. Can your husband help you when dosing him? When we had to 
dose MeMe it helped if one of us held her
  and petted her while the other opened her mouth and squirted it in.
  I can hear how discouraged you are.  I just want you to know that almost a 
year ago I brought MeMe home with
  a terrible upper respiratory, swollen gums, swollen lymph nodes, giardia and 
diarrhea. As I am typing this she is
  flying around the dining room, terrorizing two Scotties who cannot keep up 
with her.
  I know that BooBoo is on his own path, and that comparisons cannot be made.  
It is an emotional roller coaster,
  but sometimes things can level off.
  We're thinking of you, knowing how difficult this is.
  Jane














  On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Lynne wrote:


I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being given 
this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as well.  
Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 
minutes.  He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I 
can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  
Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get 
the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to 
think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to 
just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate this.  One minute 
he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he 
was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and 
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more this little 
guy can tolerate.

Lynne

Re: breathing difficulties

[dede hicken]

Lynn, we had to give doxy to one of our cats last
year.  It can be compounded by a pharmacy to taste
better.  It's not cheap, and there is a short shelf
life.  Might be worth a try.

I feel what you are going through.  My thoughts are
with you.

Dede



--- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thank you Laurie.  I needed to hear that.
> Lynne
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: laurieskatz 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:47 AM
>   Subject: Re: breathing difficulties
> 
> 
>   Vet isn't in same emotional space as you
> are...could be the explanation.
>   Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine. 
>   L
> - Original Message - 
> From: Lynne 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: breathing difficulties
> 
> 
> No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water
> immediately after the doxy so I don't know which
> caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.  I
> stayed with him til he calmed down and went to
> sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs.  I'm
> sure he does sense my anxiety.  He does not like to
> be held or confined in any manner.  What bugs me
> though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do
> anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and
> BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight,
> nothing, just scowel.  
> 
> Better go upstairs and make sure he's just
> sleeping.
> 
> Lynne
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: laurieskatz 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
>   Subject: Re: breathing difficulties
> 
> 
>   Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the
> water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't
> working with him. I would call the vet and ask about
> this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy
> directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. 
> 
>   It's really important thing is for YOU to be
> calm before you give him the meds and don't think
> about it before you actually do it. This is how I
> got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take
> inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also
> think they can sense if we are going to give them a
> med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to
> do it. It did help. Our cats sense our "mood"...I
> hope this makes sense. I just got up.
>   L
> - Original Message - 
> From: Lynne 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
> Subject: breathing difficulties
> 
> 
> I had a frightening event with BooBoo this
> morning.  He hates being given this Doxy and fights
> me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as
> well.  Suddenly he started gasping for air,
> breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. 
> He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal
> circumstances.  I can't imagine what kind of stress
> the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  Should
> I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's
> doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I
> did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to
> think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and
> perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its
> course without intervention.  I hate this.  One
> minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. 
> I spent the time with him while he was having
> problems breathing comforting him, just to get him
> settled down and even his purring was excessively
> loud.  I don't know how much more this little guy
> can tolerate.
> 
> Lynne
> 


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Re: breathing difficulties

[Jane Lyons]

Lynne
Maybe you can give him something (if there is something) that he  
loves right after the dose. It would help him with
the aftertaste. Can your husband help you when dosing him? When we  
had to dose MeMe it helped if one of us held her

and petted her while the other opened her mouth and squirted it in.
I can hear how discouraged you are.  I just want you to know that  
almost a year ago I brought MeMe home with
a terrible upper respiratory, swollen gums, swollen lymph nodes,  
giardia and diarrhea. As I am typing this she is
flying around the dining room, terrorizing two Scotties who cannot  
keep up with her.
I know that BooBoo is on his own path, and that comparisons cannot be  
made.  It is an emotional roller coaster,

but sometimes things can level off.
We're thinking of you, knowing how difficult this is.
Jane







On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Lynne wrote:

I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being  
given this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe  
after it as well.  Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing  
through his mouth for about 10 minutes.  He is anemic and breathes  
heavily under normal circumstances.  I can't imagine what kind of  
stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  Should I try  
mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get the  
appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm  
beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and  
perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without  
intervention.  I hate this.  One minute he seems perky and now he's  
just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he was having  
problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and  
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more  
this little guy can tolerate.


Lynne

Re: o/t cat facial expressions

[Lynne]

Oh I'm sure they have facial expressions.  BooBoo does not like being brought 
downstairs.  He rules the upstairs.  It's all his.  We are expected to visit 
him up there.  When we have carried him down he does a walk through then goes 
to the bottom of the stairs which are carpeted and just tears into the second 
step, all the while shooting us glances, like see what I will do if you force 
me down here.  He claws so fiercly his bottom feet slide on the wood floor 
until he falls sideways.  Then he goes upstairs.  One day when we were upstairs 
and Boo was seemingly sad, I said, come here and was demonstrating how to claw 
a chair.  Sure enough he came over and joined me, all happy shooting his side 
glances like saying "is this right?".  I know it's not a good thing to 
encourage clawing furniture but my cats have never done this so this is kind of 
funny.  He doesn't do any damage anyway.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:53 AM
  Subject: o/t cat facial expressions


  I'm just wondering, what do y'all think--do we imagine facial expressions on 
our cats -- and put our own interpretation on them -- or do they actually 
reflect a real mood?!
  Lynne's mention of BooBoo scowling makes me think of one of my ferals who I 
swear looks, in turn, frequently pissed off at me (when I won't let him mix 
without supervision -- he sprays), guilty (when he gets the better of me, and 
sprays), and disdainful (when I bring one of my tame cats to see him and his 
Buddy). One of my tame cats, Katyis, also has a marvellous "indignant" 
expression that he pulls on me following (to my mind) imagined slights. 
  Kerry


--
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


  No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I 
don't know which caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.  I stayed with 
him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go 
upstairs.  I'm sure he does sense my anxiety.  He does not like to be held or 
confined in any manner.  What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet 
can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go 
limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel.  

  Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe 
the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our 
vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated 
it too. 

It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the 
meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got 
Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own 
mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I 
didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense 
our "mood"...I hope this makes sense. I just got up.
L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
  Subject: breathing difficulties


  I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being given 
this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as well.  
Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 
minutes.  He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I 
can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  
Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get 
the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to 
think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to 
just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate this.  One minute 
he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he 
was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and 
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more this little 
guy can tolerate.

  Lynne
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Re: o/t cat facial expressions

[Sue Koren]

Oh, they DEFINITLY have expressions!  Whenever I try to brush my Tucker (Which 
he HATES) or stop him from jumping on one of the other cats he glares takes out 
his frustration on the cat scratcher.  He really ATTACKS it!  At least it's not 
the furnature!


 "MacKenzie wrote: 

=
I'm just wondering, what do y'all think--do we imagine facial
expressions on our cats -- and put our own interpretation on them -- or
do they actually reflect a real mood?!
Lynne's mention of BooBoo scowling makes me think of one of my ferals
who I swear looks, in turn, frequently pissed off at me (when I won't
let him mix without supervision -- he sprays), guilty (when he gets the
better of me, and sprays), and disdainful (when I bring one of my tame
cats to see him and his Buddy). One of my tame cats, Katyis, also has a
marvellous "indignant" expression that he pulls on me following (to my
mind) imagined slights. 
Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water immediately after the doxy so
I don't know which caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.  I
stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm
afraid to go upstairs.  I'm sure he does sense my anxiety.  He does not
like to be held or confined in any manner.  What bugs me though is when
we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take
his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just
scowel.  
 
Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties

Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the
doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and
ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not
mixed in food). Midas hated it too. 
 
It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you
give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it.
This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled
meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are
going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to
do it. It did help. Our cats sense our "mood"...I hope this makes sense.
I just got up.
L

- Original Message - 
From: Lynne   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: breathing difficulties

I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He
hates being given this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via
syringe after it as well.  Suddenly he started gasping for air,
breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes.  He is anemic and
breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I can't imagine what kind
of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  Should I try
mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get the
appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning
to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be
best to just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate
this.  One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent
the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him,
just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud.
I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate.
 
Lynne
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Re: breathing difficulties

[Lynne]

Thank you Laurie.  I needed to hear that.
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:47 AM
  Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


  Vet isn't in same emotional space as you are...could be the explanation.
  Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine. 
  L
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I 
don't know which caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.  I stayed with 
him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go 
upstairs.  I'm sure he does sense my anxiety.  He does not like to be held or 
confined in any manner.  What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet 
can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go 
limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel.  

Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
  Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


  Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe 
the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our 
vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated 
it too. 

  It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the 
meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got 
Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own 
mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I 
didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense 
our "mood"...I hope this makes sense. I just got up.
  L
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: breathing difficulties


I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being 
given this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as 
well.  Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for 
about 10 minutes.  He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal 
circumstances.  I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are 
going to cause him.  Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's 
doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light 
eater.  I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and 
perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without 
intervention.  I hate this.  One minute he seems perky and now he's just 
exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing 
comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was 
excessively loud.  I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate.

Lynne

o/t cat facial expressions

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm just wondering, what do y'all think--do we imagine facial
expressions on our cats -- and put our own interpretation on them -- or
do they actually reflect a real mood?!
Lynne's mention of BooBoo scowling makes me think of one of my ferals
who I swear looks, in turn, frequently pissed off at me (when I won't
let him mix without supervision -- he sprays), guilty (when he gets the
better of me, and sprays), and disdainful (when I bring one of my tame
cats to see him and his Buddy). One of my tame cats, Katyis, also has a
marvellous "indignant" expression that he pulls on me following (to my
mind) imagined slights. 
Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water immediately after the doxy so
I don't know which caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.  I
stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm
afraid to go upstairs.  I'm sure he does sense my anxiety.  He does not
like to be held or confined in any manner.  What bugs me though is when
we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take
his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just
scowel.  
 
Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties

Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the
doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and
ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not
mixed in food). Midas hated it too. 
 
It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you
give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it.
This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled
meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are
going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to
do it. It did help. Our cats sense our "mood"...I hope this makes sense.
I just got up.
L

- Original Message - 
From: Lynne   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: breathing difficulties

I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He
hates being given this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via
syringe after it as well.  Suddenly he started gasping for air,
breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes.  He is anemic and
breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I can't imagine what kind
of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  Should I try
mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get the
appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning
to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be
best to just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate
this.  One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent
the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him,
just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud.
I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate.
 
Lynne
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Re: breathing difficulties

[laurieskatz]

Vet isn't in same emotional space as you are...could be the explanation.
Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine. 
L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM
  Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


  No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I 
don't know which caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.  I stayed with 
him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go 
upstairs.  I'm sure he does sense my anxiety.  He does not like to be held or 
confined in any manner.  What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet 
can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go 
limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel.  

  Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe 
the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our 
vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated 
it too. 

It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the 
meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got 
Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own 
mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I 
didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense 
our "mood"...I hope this makes sense. I just got up.
L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
  Subject: breathing difficulties


  I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being given 
this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as well.  
Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 
minutes.  He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I 
can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  
Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get 
the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to 
think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to 
just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate this.  One minute 
he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he 
was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and 
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more this little 
guy can tolerate.

  Lynne

RE: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Laurie,
Can I add your story to the "good story" list?
I can relate---I kept all mine together when one of my 6, Momcat, tested
negative while all the others tested positive. It would have been much
too stressful for her to separate her from her buddies. She remained
negative, and one of the other 5, Mickey, later re-tested negative also.
(The other 4 eventually succumbed to the leukemia.) 
I hope your friend's Sass settled into his new environment without too
much separation angst?
Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FeLV Vaccination


Interacting can also be a problem for the immune compromised feline
leukemia positive cat. That kitty can pick up things from the other cats
and not be able to fight them off. If I hadopted or rescued a FeLV
positive cat, I would not comingle but I might try to find him a friend
as long as the friend didn't stress him/her. I know others here do
comingle.
 
If I found out one of my existing cats was positive, I wouldn't change
things and they would all continue to live together. In the past,
whenever I have brought a new cat in, I have made certain our feleuk
vaccinations were current. I am not a fan of those vaccinations because
of VAS so I don't think I would vaccinate for that again...plus my vet
thinks the first series of feleuk vaccinations is enough protection for
life. This is just my opinion and experience. Others who have co mingled
are a better source of advice and information.
 
My friend had Sass, a negative, in with a group of positives. Sass was
not vaccinated for FeLV because she thought he was positive. They all
lived together and after 5 years my friend wondered why Sass never got
sick when the others did. She (re?)tested him and found out he was
negative. That was over 5 years ago. He was removed from the room at the
time and is still alive and well!
L

- Original Message - 
From: Lynne   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: FeLV Vaccination

Sue, I am the least qualified to answer this, but I would think
that if Buzz has his own litter box and his own food dish the risk would
be small.  Of course you wouldn't want them fighting either. I too have
read that the vaccine is not totally effective but I think 60 to 80%
effectiveness is better than 0.   He may not even want to be involved
with the other cats.  My two want nothing to do with each other.  Why
not at least have supervised interaction while you're home with them.
Yeah I know about the minor full time job and family details.  I feel
like a neglective mother to my sick child at times.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: Sue & Frank Koren   
To: fe lv   
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: FeLV Vaccination

Several people here have said that they have their FeLV
+ kitties living in with FeLV -  cats, and the negative cats are not
getting infected.  I am trying to decide if I should vaccinate my others
and let Buzz out of his room.  My vet is against it and says the
vaccinations are only 60 - 80% effective.  The vet does not seem to be
up on all that is going on with FeLV, though, and I am considering
switching vets.  Buzz really doesn't,t mind his room, but he is a social
boy and cries when he doesn't want to be alone.  I visit him as often as
I can and spend at least an hour or so in the evenings in with him, but
such minor details as a full time job and the rest of my human and cat
family keep me away from being with him as much as he and I would like.
It seems as if vaccinating the others and freeing Buzz from his prison
room is the best solution, but not if any of the others end up being
infected.  Their ages range from 2 to 8 years.  Two of them, Charlie and
Tucker have other health problems and I don't know if that would put
them more at risk.  Anyway, has anyone ever heard of a vaccinated cat
being infected?
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Re: breathing difficulties

[Lynne]

No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't 
know which caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.  I stayed with him til 
he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs.  I'm 
sure he does sense my anxiety.  He does not like to be held or confined in any 
manner.  What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything 
to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't 
argue, fight, nothing, just scowel.  

Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
  Subject: Re: breathing difficulties


  Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the 
water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet 
told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it 
too. 

  It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the 
meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got 
Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own 
mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I 
didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense 
our "mood"...I hope this makes sense. I just got up.
  L
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: breathing difficulties


I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being given 
this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as well.  
Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 
minutes.  He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I 
can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  
Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get 
the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to 
think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to 
just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate this.  One minute 
he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he 
was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and 
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more this little 
guy can tolerate.

Lynne

Information About Interferon

[Belinda Sauro]

Here is just some information I found on interferon and it's uses:

http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/interferon-roferon-a/page1.aspx

*Uses of Interferon*

#


# The primary use of interferon in veterinary medicine has been as a 
supplement in the treatment of the non-cancerous feline leukemia disease.
# Interferon is also used on an investigational basis in the treatment 
of various cancers and viral infections in dogs and cats.


*Precautions and Side Effects*

# While generally safe and effective when prescribed by a veterinarian, 
interferon may cause side effects in some animals.
# Interferon should not be used in animals with known hypersensitivity 
or allergy  to the drug.
# This drug should also be avoided in animals with preexisting 
autoimmune disease, severe heart disease, lung disease, herpes virus 
, 
or neurologic disorders.
# Little is known about the safety of interferon. It has been shown to 
lower blood platelet counts and may cause anemia.
# This drug may also promote liver damage and nervous system damage 
.
# Interferon may interact with other medications. Consult with your 
veterinarian to determine if other drugs your pet is receiving might 
interact with interferon. Such drugs include other antiviral medications.
# The most common side effects associated with interferon are loss of 
appetite and vomiting.


*How Interferon is Supplied*

# Interferon is available in 3 million IU/ml, 6 million IU/ml and 36 
million IU/ml concentrations.


*Dosing Information*

# Medication should never be administered without first consulting your 
veterinarian.
# Interferon is available as an injectable drug but it is administered 
orally to animals.
# For dogs, interferon is dosed at 1 IU/10 pounds (1 IU/5 kg) orally 
every other week.
# Cats are given 30 IU of interferon / per cat / orally once daily for 7 
days. They are then taken off the medicine for 7 days, to have the 
medicine reinstated again (same dose) once daily for 7 days. This 
cycle is then repeated for as long as the cat is to be kept on medication.
# An alternative dosing scheme for cats is to give 0.25 to 2.5 mg per 
pound (0.5 to 5 mg/kg) once daily.
# The duration of administration of interferon depends on the condition 
being treated, the response to the medication, and the development of 
any adverse effects.


It looks like if the solutions is frozen it is good indefinitely, this 
site had a lot of good information about its use written by someone who 
used it for 4 years on her cat who suffered from a very bad case of 
stomatitis, his story is well known on the internet:


http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/stomatitis.html


*TIPS ON USING INTERFERON:*

*#1) NEVER give with food. Inteferon breaks down in the stomach with 
stomach acid. Always squirt it directly into the mouth where it is 
absorbed in the mouth and throat lining.*


*#2) ALWAYS keep refridgerated. It's useless if it hits room 
temperature. Keep unused dilutions frozen until needed. It's unknown 
how long Interferon stays effective in the fridge. Keep unused 
dilutions frozen until needed.*


*#3) It's USELESS to do on/off dosing. It MUST be given every 24 hours 
to maintain consistent levels in the bloodstream. (See excerpts below 
regarding peaks and valleys). It must be kept in the blood at all 
times. On/Off protocols are worthless because it progresses forward in 
times of no intervention.*


* There are no studies on low dose IFN in veterinary practise that I'm 
aware of. *


It says above that it is unknown how long it is good in the fridge.  
Don't know why my vet told me three months once diluted, but I know she 
did.  If it is kept frozen and taken out and thawed as needed it looks 
like it is good for a long time.


--

Belinda
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RE: FeLV Vaccination-- for Chris

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Hi Chris---totally relate to your experience.
Ok if I add your story to the "good story" list?!
Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: FeLV Vaccination



3 of my cats lived with one of my FELV+ for 5 years until I found out
the 4th whad been positive all along.  They shared the same food bowls,
litter, toys; groomed each other, etc.  All 3 were tested when I found
the 4th was pos and all 3 were neg.  I did vaccinate them at that point.
While kittens may be a bit more vulnerable, I've come to believe that
transmission among adult cats is a lot harder than many people think.
My vet never once considered any option but mixing and he's got some
good experience with FELV...  He left the decision to me but there
really wasn't any decision.  To separate them at that point would just
have been a nightmare worse than any risk of FELV.  

 

No vaccine is 100% but between the vaccine, the cats' ages, the fact
that they were all in reasonable, though not perfect, health-mixing was
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue & Frank
Koren
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:50 AM
To: fe lv
Subject: FeLV Vaccination

 

Several people here have said that they have their FeLV + kitties living
in with FeLV -  cats, and the negative cats are not getting infected.  I
am trying to decide if I should vaccinate my others and let Buzz out of
his room.  My vet is against it and says the vaccinations are only 60 -
80% effective.  The vet does not seem to be up on all that is going on
with FeLV, though, and I am considering switching vets.  Buzz really
doesn't,t mind his room, but he is a social boy and cries when he
doesn't want to be alone.  I visit him as often as I can and spend at
least an hour or so in the evenings in with him, but such minor details
as a full time job and the rest of my human and cat family keep me away
from being with him as much as he and I would like.  It seems as if
vaccinating the others and freeing Buzz from his prison room is the best
solution, but not if any of the others end up being infected.  Their
ages range from 2 to 8 years.  Two of them, Charlie and Tucker have
other health problems and I don't know if that would put them more at
risk.  Anyway, has anyone ever heard of a vaccinated cat being infected?
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Re: breathing difficulties

[Sue Koren]

Lynne -
You must have been scared to death!  I know I would have been.  Maybe the shots 
will be easier on him then trying to get things down his throat.
I purchase something on e-bay, I think it is called a kitty cuddler that is 
made to wrap a cat in to give medications.  Maybe something like that would 
make it less stressful for BooBoo.  I bought it for my Tucker because he is 
AWFUL with any oral meds. - gentle sweet kitty turns into evil clawing tiger.  
I was afraid he would hurt himself because he fights so hard, and I know he 
clawed me pretty well a few times.  Fortunatly I have not had to give him 
anything since I purchased it and I do not know how well it works yet.
Sue
 Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being given this 
Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as well.  
Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 
minutes.  He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I 
can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  
Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get 
the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to 
think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to 
just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate this.  One minute 
he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he 
was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and 
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more this little 
guy can tolerate.

Lynne

Re: breathing difficulties

[laurieskatz]

Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the 
water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet 
told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it 
too. 

It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds 
and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, 
a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I 
also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think 
about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our "mood"...I 
hope this makes sense. I just got up.
L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
  Subject: breathing difficulties


  I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being given 
this Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as well.  
Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 
minutes.  He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I 
can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  
Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get 
the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to 
think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to 
just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate this.  One minute 
he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he 
was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and 
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more this little 
guy can tolerate.

  Lynne

Re: + & - cats together

[laurieskatz]

One thing my firiend did was bring out the kitty in a carrier and place her 
up high so she could watch the goings on but not interact with the others.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: + & - cats together


Thanks for the ideas!  I googled the cat dancer and it is very similar to 
Buzz's favorite toy which is a wand with a long leather string tied to a 
mouse with feathers.  He plays so hard with that toy that he ends up 
panting.  While on that website I found something called "Mouse in the 
House" that looks like it will be good for the long times when he is 
alone.  We have to keep his room locked because one of our other cats, 
Scottie,  is very good at opening closed doors.  Every time I visit him I 
have to pick the lock from the outside.  I say goodbye to him before I 
leave for work, and check on him for a few minutes when I come home.  Then 
I have to fix dinner and after it is cleaned up I try to bring him out to 
the family room on my lap for a little bit, but he doesn't want to be held 
out there.  I end up going back in his room with him for the rest of the 
evening.
The idea about a bird feeder will work and I think grass in tubs would be 
good also.  I assume cat grass is OK for FeLV + ?  The other cats would 
enjoy the grass, also.  All of them are indoor cats.  Can't play 
favorites.  Maybe after some time goes by Buzz will get used to living in 
one room and not cry so.

Sue

 Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

=
Try bird feeders near the window and a window perch.  Cats can bat
balls and toys even on carpet.  A nice box to hide in would be great.
I had two cats who loved the Catnip (I think that is the title) tape
(birds, squirrels etc) even though they had a 12x6x6 covered kennel
with 24/7 access.  Lots of personal time with you too.maybe a tv
or radio to listen to part of the time (not all of the time--it
becomes noise then).  Dixie has three pans (goat food size rubber
pans) on dollies with grass and capnip growing in them.  She can get
into the pans and roll in the grass and catnip and have a ball (she
has three because she wears them down and they need time to refresh).
A warm place to snuggle, maybe with a snuggle safe.

Ideas.take what works for you and for Amond.
On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Lance wrote:


I think most cats play best with interactive toys. Ember loves the
Cat Charmer, and while we haven't played with it in awhile, she
liked the Cat Dancer, too. I also have a few pieces of elastic
material that my mom gave me, and those work.

A cat condo with a view is a great idea.

Lance

On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:


Dorothy,
Thank you for telling about Armond.  I guess that answers my
question - they can be infected even with the vaccination.  That is
too much risk for me and my original cats.  If one of them got sick
I would feel horrible!
 I don't want to get another FeLV+ cat, it seems like that would
just double the trouble, and both of them in this small room.  The
best I can do is make this as   a place as possible for him.  I
already have one of those donuts with a ball inside, a soft square
he can hide in and various other cat toys.  I think I will replace
the chair by the window with a cat condo.  Any suggestions for
making room sweet room a fun place for Buzz to be?  The floor is
carpeted, so things that roll across the floor don't work.
Sue
- Original Message -
From: Dorothy Noble
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: + & - cats together

To Sue & Frank ~
I absolutely understand about you wanting Buzz to be with the
others.  It is so tough to have them separated.  We brought in a
stray a year ago and did not have her tested (but we did have her
vaccinated).  Anyway, she was positive and exposed our others.
Armond caught the virus but my other cat did not.  All of my
animals were always vaccinated.  Based on my experience, I would
not mix them.  I have had Armond since he was 4 weeks old, he has
had all of his shots and he still tested positive from being with
the other positive cat.
We just adopted another FeLV positive cat so Armond could have a
friend and we had a special house built for them.  It works out
great.
Dorothy

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Re: + & - cats together

[laurieskatz]

Even a paper bag. And you can hide treats for him to find.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:13 AM
  Subject: Re: + & - cats together


  Try bird feeders near the window and a window perch.  Cats can bat balls and 
toys even on carpet.  A nice box to hide in would be great.  I had two cats who 
loved the Catnip (I think that is the title) tape (birds, squirrels etc) even 
though they had a 12x6x6 covered kennel with 24/7 access.  Lots of personal 
time with you too.maybe a tv or radio to listen to part of the time (not 
all of the time--it becomes noise then).  Dixie has three pans (goat food size 
rubber pans) on dollies with grass and capnip growing in them.  She can get 
into the pans and roll in the grass and catnip and have a ball (she has three 
because she wears them down and they need time to refresh).  A warm place to 
snuggle, maybe with a snuggle safe.


  Ideas.take what works for you and for Amond.

  On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Lance wrote:


I think most cats play best with interactive toys. Ember loves the Cat 
Charmer, and while we haven't played with it in awhile, she  liked the Cat 
Dancer, too. I also have a few pieces of elastic material that my mom gave me, 
and those work. 


A cat condo with a view is a great idea.


Lance


On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:


  Dorothy,
  Thank you for telling about Armond.  I guess that answers my question - 
they can be infected even with the vaccination.  That is too much risk for me 
and my original cats.  If one of them got sick I would feel horrible!
   I don't want to get another FeLV+ cat, it seems like that would just 
double the trouble, and both of them in this small room.  The best I can do is 
make this as   a place as possible for him.  I already have one of those donuts 
with a ball inside, a soft square he can hide in and various other cat toys.  I 
think I will replace the chair by the window with a cat condo.  Any suggestions 
for making room sweet room a fun place for Buzz to be?  The floor is carpeted, 
so things that roll across the floor don't work.
  Sue
- Original Message -
From: Dorothy Noble
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: + & - cats together


To Sue & Frank ~
I absolutely understand about you wanting Buzz to be with the others.  
It is so tough to have them separated.  We brought in a stray a year ago and 
did not have her tested (but we did have her vaccinated).  Anyway, she was 
positive and exposed our others.  Armond caught the virus but my other cat did 
not.  All of my animals were always vaccinated.  Based on my experience, I 
would not mix them.  I have had Armond since he was 4 weeks old, he has had all 
of his shots and he still tested positive from being with the other positive 
cat. 
We just adopted another FeLV positive cat so Armond could have a friend 
and we had a special house built for them.  It works out great.
Dorothy




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breathing difficulties

[Lynne]

I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning.  He hates being given this 
Doxy and fights me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as well.  
Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 
minutes.  He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances.  I 
can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  
Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's doubtful he would get 
the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to 
think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to 
just let nature take its course without intervention.  I hate this.  One minute 
he seems perky and now he's just exhausted.  I spent the time with him while he 
was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and 
even his purring was excessively loud.  I don't know how much more this little 
guy can tolerate.

Lynne

RE: Boo & medicine

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

That's hilarious Lynne---I can just picture the little scamp! What a
sweetie!  
I have to say, it didn't take BooBoo long to get comfy in your
household. Snuggling up under the covers to your husband? Even mine that
I've had for years don't go *under* the covers! I'm envious! 
Kerry


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Boo & medicine


I have to tell you guys the funniest thing with BooBoo and his
Doxycycline.  I gave him his first dose last night, through a syringe.
He hated it.  This morning I go upstairs with it and he knows what's
coming.  After a bit of a struggle I get the stuff down him.  He
immediately jumps up onto the bed along side of my husband who is still
sleeping and sits there scowling at me.  I just went up to check on him
and there he is, under the covers, laying on his side with his head on
the pillow as close to my husband as he can be, still scowling at me.
This is going to be a battle for a week I can tell.  I don't know how
the interferon injections are going to go over.  He's so good with the
vet, I may just have to take him there for the shots.
 
Lynne
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Re: + & - cats together

[Sue Koren]

Thanks for the ideas!  I googled the cat dancer and it is very similar to 
Buzz's favorite toy which is a wand with a long leather string tied to a mouse 
with feathers.  He plays so hard with that toy that he ends up panting.  While 
on that website I found something called "Mouse in the House" that looks like 
it will be good for the long times when he is alone.  We have to keep his room 
locked because one of our other cats, Scottie,  is very good at opening closed 
doors.  Every time I visit him I have to pick the lock from the outside.  I say 
goodbye to him before I leave for work, and check on him for a few minutes when 
I come home.  Then I have to fix dinner and after it is cleaned up I try to 
bring him out to the family room on my lap for a little bit, but he doesn't 
want to be held out there.  I end up going back in his room with him for the 
rest of the evening.  
The idea about a bird feeder will work and I think grass in tubs would be good 
also.  I assume cat grass is OK for FeLV + ?  The other cats would enjoy the 
grass, also.  All of them are indoor cats.  Can't play favorites.  Maybe after 
some time goes by Buzz will get used to living in one room and not cry so.
Sue

 Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
Try bird feeders near the window and a window perch.  Cats can bat  
balls and toys even on carpet.  A nice box to hide in would be great.   
I had two cats who loved the Catnip (I think that is the title) tape  
(birds, squirrels etc) even though they had a 12x6x6 covered kennel  
with 24/7 access.  Lots of personal time with you too.maybe a tv  
or radio to listen to part of the time (not all of the time--it  
becomes noise then).  Dixie has three pans (goat food size rubber  
pans) on dollies with grass and capnip growing in them.  She can get  
into the pans and roll in the grass and catnip and have a ball (she  
has three because she wears them down and they need time to refresh).   
A warm place to snuggle, maybe with a snuggle safe.

Ideas.take what works for you and for Amond.
On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Lance wrote:

> I think most cats play best with interactive toys. Ember loves the  
> Cat Charmer, and while we haven't played with it in awhile, she   
> liked the Cat Dancer, too. I also have a few pieces of elastic  
> material that my mom gave me, and those work.
>
> A cat condo with a view is a great idea.
>
> Lance
>
> On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:
>
>> Dorothy,
>> Thank you for telling about Armond.  I guess that answers my  
>> question - they can be infected even with the vaccination.  That is  
>> too much risk for me and my original cats.  If one of them got sick  
>> I would feel horrible!
>>  I don't want to get another FeLV+ cat, it seems like that would  
>> just double the trouble, and both of them in this small room.  The  
>> best I can do is make this as   a place as possible for him.  I  
>> already have one of those donuts with a ball inside, a soft square  
>> he can hide in and various other cat toys.  I think I will replace  
>> the chair by the window with a cat condo.  Any suggestions for  
>> making room sweet room a fun place for Buzz to be?  The floor is  
>> carpeted, so things that roll across the floor don't work.
>> Sue
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Dorothy Noble
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:34 PM
>> Subject: + & - cats together
>>
>> To Sue & Frank ~
>> I absolutely understand about you wanting Buzz to be with the  
>> others.  It is so tough to have them separated.  We brought in a  
>> stray a year ago and did not have her tested (but we did have her  
>> vaccinated).  Anyway, she was positive and exposed our others.   
>> Armond caught the virus but my other cat did not.  All of my  
>> animals were always vaccinated.  Based on my experience, I would  
>> not mix them.  I have had Armond since he was 4 weeks old, he has  
>> had all of his shots and he still tested positive from being with  
>> the other positive cat.
>> We just adopted another FeLV positive cat so Armond could have a  
>> friend and we had a special house built for them.  It works out  
>> great.
>> Dorothy
>>
>> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>

Re: + & - cats together

[Marylyn]

Try bird feeders near the window and a window perch.  Cats can bat  
balls and toys even on carpet.  A nice box to hide in would be great.   
I had two cats who loved the Catnip (I think that is the title) tape  
(birds, squirrels etc) even though they had a 12x6x6 covered kennel  
with 24/7 access.  Lots of personal time with you too.maybe a tv  
or radio to listen to part of the time (not all of the time--it  
becomes noise then).  Dixie has three pans (goat food size rubber  
pans) on dollies with grass and capnip growing in them.  She can get  
into the pans and roll in the grass and catnip and have a ball (she  
has three because she wears them down and they need time to refresh).   
A warm place to snuggle, maybe with a snuggle safe.


Ideas.take what works for you and for Amond.
On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Lance wrote:

I think most cats play best with interactive toys. Ember loves the  
Cat Charmer, and while we haven't played with it in awhile, she   
liked the Cat Dancer, too. I also have a few pieces of elastic  
material that my mom gave me, and those work.


A cat condo with a view is a great idea.

Lance

On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:


Dorothy,
Thank you for telling about Armond.  I guess that answers my  
question - they can be infected even with the vaccination.  That is  
too much risk for me and my original cats.  If one of them got sick  
I would feel horrible!
 I don't want to get another FeLV+ cat, it seems like that would  
just double the trouble, and both of them in this small room.  The  
best I can do is make this as   a place as possible for him.  I  
already have one of those donuts with a ball inside, a soft square  
he can hide in and various other cat toys.  I think I will replace  
the chair by the window with a cat condo.  Any suggestions for  
making room sweet room a fun place for Buzz to be?  The floor is  
carpeted, so things that roll across the floor don't work.

Sue
- Original Message -
From: Dorothy Noble
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: + & - cats together

To Sue & Frank ~
I absolutely understand about you wanting Buzz to be with the  
others.  It is so tough to have them separated.  We brought in a  
stray a year ago and did not have her tested (but we did have her  
vaccinated).  Anyway, she was positive and exposed our others.   
Armond caught the virus but my other cat did not.  All of my  
animals were always vaccinated.  Based on my experience, I would  
not mix them.  I have had Armond since he was 4 weeks old, he has  
had all of his shots and he still tested positive from being with  
the other positive cat.
We just adopted another FeLV positive cat so Armond could have a  
friend and we had a special house built for them.  It works out  
great.

Dorothy

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