Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
In-house tests results are limited, and I would do the more sophisticated one that is sent to the lab. However, before getting that urinalysis back with results, I would not sign up for an X-ray before it is determined that one is absolutely required! Yes, this vet does seem to do it for the money! My vet always does one step at a time, and based on the last step, if needed, proceeds to the next. Many vets like to do ALL of them at one time! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N- DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
Not sure if this is possible but they probably got a bad batch of Frontline - I've used it in the Northeast with zero proplems (and like it because it addresses fleas ticks). My vet also started using a product called v-somthing but it doesn't help with ticks. If you know for sure you only have a flea problem (no ticks) then advantage is a good product (and will get rid of ear mites and worms as well). Just spoke to a lady yesterday who does rescue. She orders advantage from Canada via the mail as it is much cheaper that way. About the stones - does the cat appear to be straining when peeing or appear constipated? That would be indicative of stones. Also if the cat is prone to stones he may have developed an aversion to using the litter box and choose other objects to pee on instead or he may have developed an aversion to using the litter box for another reason. So changing the type of litter you use may help. Having said all that we had a cat that prone to UTIs and they way she would let us know she had one is by peeing on our bed (hooray for waterproof matress covers). Is there anyway you can call and ask your vet at home what they use to diagnose kidney stones? In googling feline kidney stones it appears that x-trays or ultrasounds are used for diagnosis. Found x-rays mentioned on a couple of sites (but note that the information below is from a site I just found by googling so not sure how good it is http://www.cat-health-guide.org/felinekidneystones.html). My guess is that if the vet finds no stones via x-ray the next step they will suggest an ultrasound (which of course is even more expensive). If cat kidney stones are suspected, your vet will take x-rays. The stones will usually show up white on the x-ray. Some kinds of stones don’t show up on x-rays and can only be seen by ultrasound. Your vet will look for stones elsewhere in the urinary tract as well. Your vet will also test your cat’s urine to see if she has a bladder infection. Bladder infections are very common in pets with kidney stones. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT
[Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pretty Boy
Thanks for taking care of Pretty Boy. I just love old cats, maybe that's because I'm old :-) Lorrie On 07-07, MaiMaiPG wrote: Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
Hi Lynda, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. We have 4 cats in his area and 4 litterboxes, so I can certainly try adding one more. There are two in my room (where he spends most of his time); one in the other two rooms. It's a small house, so the only rooms that don't have boxes are the kitchen and living room. I clean them at least once a day, usually 2-3 times (whenever I notice one is used). The cats each have a box they prefer, so one box doesn't usually get particularly dirty. I've used a couple different litters (always clumping), but I've been using this particular kind for at least a month and he only had issues for 2 days. Last night he was fine again, but as I write this, he's back to pacing in front of the door. His pace is like what you see zoo animals do in a cage - a repetitive path, back and forth, like he's oblivious to everything around him. I've tried interrupting him with play, but he ignores me. He enjoys catnip, so I sometimes give him that as a diversion, but I have to be careful because it makes him very aggressive toward the other cats. I'm really hoping the outdoor enclosure helps him. I hate to see him so frustrated. Thanks again for your ideas. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
Thanks for sharing. I think I will go ahead with the lab test, but hold off on the x-ray until we get the results. Would the lab results indicate if he has stones (and needs an x-ray)? Based on his past, I'm almost positive it's entirely behavioral, but I don't want to risk him suffering either. Thanks, Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question In-house tests results are limited, and I would do the more sophisticated one that is sent to the lab. However, before getting that urinalysis back with results, I would not sign up for an X-ray before it is determined that one is absolutely required! Yes, this vet does seem to do it for the money! My vet always does one step at a time, and based on the last step, if needed, proceeds to the next. Many vets like to do ALL of them at one time! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Are you able to vaccinate your other kitty and keep the new girl separated for a month or so? If so, I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't keep her. Just because she's potentially FeLV positive doesn't mean she isn't a wonderful kitty who deserves a chance at happiness just as much as a cat who tests negative. Your heart seems to have already led you in this direction and following your heart will serve you well. Best, Ben -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:06 AM, Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net wrote: I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lynda, I hope that the clumping litter you are using does NOT contain sodium bentonite! Often they don't list it, but they tell you NOT to flush down the toilet, you can be assured that it contains it! I have lots of info on it, but this site does not allow more than a certain amount to be sent. Here's just one source: http://www.ny-petrescue.org/clumping.php Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Hi Lynda, I've used a couple different litters (always clumping), ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good advice, I will try it as well. By the way, I use Feline Pine (it's similar to saw dust, without the dust, lol!). But my cat, Sugar, only urinated once outside the box onto our bed. Glad that it was only once, and the problem was solved quick. Have a great weekend everyone! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
What a lucky kitten she is to have you find her! 8 weeks old is so young, I wonder where the rest of the litter is? I bet she is so spoiled already and it's a great sign that Joey is interested :) Keep them separate until you know for sure if she is truly positive or can clear the virus later for a negative result. We all know that test are not 100% accurate, therefore you may have to take it one step further and have an IFA done, but I would not do that until she is at least 3 mos old. Give her time, she could clear the virus. Do a test again in 30 days, then go from there and let us know. I would definitely make sure Joey has had the vaccination for FeLV. He will have a better chance of not getting it, but in order for the vaccine to be effective, he has to have the second shot 3 weeks later after the first initial shot. That's my advice for now. Since she is so young it's hard to tell you each step b/c I feel she will need more tests as she gets older (in other words, I would keep testing until you get a negative result) and I will repeat myself one more time, she could clear the virus. Good luck, and keep in touch :0) Lynda - Original Message - From: Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:06 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+ I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure keeps the smell down as well. The cheapest place to get it it Petsmart (not Petco, they are extremely higher for some reason). It last for a long time as well, but like I said, I dump it just to keep Sugar happy. Thanks so much :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Cindy, ONLY clumping litter would contain sodium bentonite - the regular kitty litter clays just have dust which can be irritating but not as deadly! Many people believe that because clumping litter is so much more expensive, it must be good! There used to be a holistic cat magazine, Tiger Tribe, when they folded, I purchased all their back copies. They researched clumping litter, and were told by manufacturers that the old adage buyer beware should always be applied! DUH! Don't you think that when one purchases something for one's pets, one wouldn't have to check its safety? Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Wow... You know, the dusty clay litter gives me asthma attacks, I'm ashamed that I never thought of how it would affect my cats. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure keeps the smell down as well. The cheapest place to get it it Petsmart (not Petco, they are extremely higher for some reason). It last for a long time as well, but like I said, I dump it just to keep Sugar happy. Thanks so much :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_** felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
We have to use a good basic litter because of cost - when you have to provide litter for over 70 cats, we prefer spending the money on good food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Good advice, I will try it as well. By the way, I use Feline Pine (it's similar to saw dust, without the dust, lol!). But my cat, Sugar, only urinated once outside the box onto our bed. Glad that it was only once, and the problem was solved quick. Have a great weekend everyone! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area,
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
We get our litter at Walmart - cheapest there, even though we get a discount at PetSmart. The problem is that they are still pushing and selling all kinds of clumping litter as if it were something special for your beloved cats! My husband bought a small fabric toy for the cats, and I decided to read the label: It said to be careful, make sure that cats don't tear the fabric and eat the contents because it could cause serious injury or death! Mad in China, and who oversees the safety of things coming in? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure keeps the smell down as well. The cheapest place to get it it Petsmart (not Petco, they are extremely higher for some reason). It last for a long time as well, but like I said, I dump it just to keep Sugar happy. Thanks so much :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
That's because we assume that everything we buy must be safe for them! It's a shame that we have to be so suspicious of everything and question every bit of info! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:40 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Wow... You know, the dusty clay litter gives me asthma attacks, I'm ashamed that I never thought of how it would affect my cats. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure keeps the smell down as well. The cheapest place to get it it Petsmart (not Petco, they are extremely higher for some reason). It last for a long time as well, but like I said, I dump it just to keep Sugar happy. Thanks so much :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_** felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felin eleukemia.org __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orgh ttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
The SNAP test is not as accurate as the maker has hyped, or most Vet's knowledge. Go to this link for Testing Protocols. http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/FeLV_Web.pdf Basically both tests the SNAP(Elisa) and the IFA results need to be the same results, otherwise the kitten/cat is still not a true positive. SomeWhere Sam From: Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 5:06:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+ I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Also - you mentioned that the vet isn't worried about her spreading it to your cat unless they bite. That sounds more like FIV. Are you sure he said Feline Leukemia or did he say Feline Aids? Just wanted to check because you mentioned the bite thing. Feline Leukemia can be spread much easier by like mutual grooming, food and water bowls, etc. (and bites of course). But Feline Aides (FIV) is spread by bites almost exclusively. It can't be spread by sharing food bowls or mutual grooming because the virus from the infected cat has to be injected straight into the bloodstream. I hope for the kitten's sake he meant to say feline aids but mis-spoke and said FeLV but was thinking of FIV. FIV is usually not nearly as devastating to the body and isn't as contagious so it's much better of the two dreadful diseases. Either way, Somewhere Sam is right. Need to re-test and two tests much match. If he meant FeLV definitely do an IFA but if he meant FIV then another snap test in a few weeks is probably enough because I don't think the snap test screws up the results of FIV quite as often as FeLV. Not sure but it seems that way from the reading I've done. It's true that you can't trust the results of the snap test on a young kitten either. I've had 3 kittens from a litter of 4 test positive for FIV but then 3 weeks later test negative. That's because they had the antibodies from the mother in their system and it made them test positive but as soon as they had stopped nursing and the antibodies cleared their system they tested negative. Did the vet mention calici virus? It's pronounced like ka-lee-see. That's another type of URI that can cause ulcers on the tongue. You treat it the same though and since it's a virus it just has to make it through the system. L-Lysine is a good supplement for the sniffles. If the ulcers are bad or if she gets too clogged up and she can't smell her food she may not want to eat so you just have to watch for that because young kittens dehydrate easily. You're so kind for taking her in. Check with the vet about FeLV versus FIV. Hopefully he just mis-spoke and hopefully the next snap test will be negative for both. I know Joey would love to have a playmate. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:04:34 -0700 From: sin...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+ The SNAP test is not as accurate as the maker has hyped, or most Vet's knowledge. Go to this link for Testing Protocols. http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/FeLV_Web.pdf Basically both tests the SNAP(Elisa) and the IFA results need to be the same results, otherwise the kitten/cat is still not a true positive. SomeWhere Sam From: Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 5:06:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+ I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___
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This truly is scary and I've got first hand experience with how bad clumping litter can be. One of my cats had a mass of clumped litter caught between his toes which I didn't notice until I clipped his claws. (a maine coon with very furry toes) He was't even limping because of the mass. I had to end up having the vet remove it because it was so embedded. I'll have to try the ground corn cob litter again. They didn't like it at all so I'll have to mix the two for a while then gradually phase out the clumping stuff. Thanks so much for the heads up on this, Natalie. Valerie On Jul 8, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Oh - since you guys mentioned asthma I just wanted to throw out there that if any of your kitties ever develop asthma there is a wonderful feline asthma group. The people on that list know more about it than a lot of vets because it's not that common and they've had years of experience with it. I have a cat with asthma and with their help I got him on inhaled medications, same kind that humans use, and it's wonderful and keeps his asthma under control. Not nearly as hard on the body as prednisone or other steroids which is how asthma in cats is usually controlled. Lots of vets have not had experience with using inhaled medications (Flovent) on cats so they either tell owners to put their cats on prednisone or steriod shots for the rest of their life. Or the vets that know about inhaled meds for cats will start them on the lowest dosage of Flovent and then when it doesn't help the asthma the vet thinks inhaled meds doesn't work for cats. This asthma group is great and can help get a kitty on the right dosage and give you lots of tips to get them used to using the Aerokat to do the inhaled treatments. I also use an online pharmacy called 4 Corners which is located in New Zealand, to get the meds. It's one third of the cost as the drugs in the U.S. Anyway, just wanted you guys to know so if you ever need help with an asthma kitty go straight to that group. I don't know what I would have done without them. My vet knew about asthma and even gave me an Aerokat but she didn't think it was easy to get a cat to take inhaled meds so she just recommended a steroid shot every 6 weeks. Thank God I found the group. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:51:15 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = That's because we assume that everything we buy must be safe for them! It's a shame that we have to be so suspicious of everything and question every bit of info! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:40 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Wow... You know, the dusty clay litter gives me asthma attacks, I'm ashamed that I never thought of how it would affect my cats. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure keeps the smell down as well. The cheapest place to get it it Petsmart (not Petco, they are extremely higher for some reason). It last for a long time as well, but like I said, I dump it just to keep Sugar happy. Thanks so much :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some
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Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal.
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I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top
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Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are
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Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even
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Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by
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I like it a lot. My boys came from a pine thicket so it was a natural thing for them. I can pitch the sawdust into the fields, use it around trees or compost it. On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting
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You throw it outside? Not the poop, though, do you? I can't imagine doing that with all my cat's doodoosor all the pee! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I like it a lot. My boys came from a pine thicket so it was a natural thing for them. I can pitch the sawdust into the fields, use it around trees or compost it. On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat
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There is 124 acres to put it on. Poop gets pitched into unused fields--far from the house. I can't see a difference between theirs and that of the numerous cats who stray this way/deer/buzzards/turkey etc. The pee turns the pellets into sawdust. It may sound gross but it really isn't On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote: You throw it outside? Not the poop, though, do you? I can't imagine doing that with all my cat's doodoosor all the pee! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I like it a lot. My boys came from a pine thicket so it was a natural thing for them. I can pitch the sawdust into the fields, use it around trees or compost it. On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned
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I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's not really gross on a large area - we couldn't - we'd smell it! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = There is 124 acres to put it on. Poop gets pitched into unused fields--far from the house. I can't see a difference between theirs and that of the numerous cats who stray this way/deer/buzzards/turkey etc. The pee turns the pellets into sawdust. It may sound gross but it really isn't On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote: You throw it outside? Not the poop, though, do you? I can't imagine doing that with all my cat's doodoosor all the pee! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I like it a lot. My boys came from a pine thicket so it was a natural thing for them. I can pitch the sawdust into the fields, use it around trees or compost it. On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay
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Totes are wonderful. I leave the top off and the boys are young enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are wonderful too. I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who, late in life, had issues getting positioned. Besides the totes are a lot cheaper and more appropriately sized. FYI: They make great outdoor shelters too. On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I had the same experience with the feline Pine. It smells like moldy wood to me. Bought one bag and never again. I think we may need to make a distinction between rescue households with a lot of cats and a constant parade of fosters coming and going and a household with just a few pet cats. Mine is a rescue household and I have adopters coming too the house so I have to make sure it doesn't stink. I've been using clumping litter for more than 10 years and we've never had a problem. (When I fostered kittens though I used the old fashioned non-clumping clay litter because kittens have been known to try to eat litter.) --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 2:57 PM I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've used Feline Pine for years! It really controls the odor and have never experienced a cat that does not like it, but I'm sure there may be some out there that don't. But mine have no problem with it :) - Original Message - From: Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets
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I don't buy the pellets. It was too hard on my cats feet. I buy the kind that is already turned into saw dustit works wonders. - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = There is 124 acres to put it on. Poop gets pitched into unused fields--far from the house. I can't see a difference between theirs and that of the numerous cats who stray this way/deer/buzzards/turkey etc. The pee turns the pellets into sawdust. It may sound gross but it really isn't On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote: You throw it outside? Not the poop, though, do you? I can't imagine doing that with all my cat's doodoosor all the pee! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I like it a lot. My boys came from a pine thicket so it was a natural thing for them. I can pitch the sawdust into the fields, use it around trees or compost it. On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this
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I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well as the cats. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree Susan. I think with a couple of cats, the wheat or pine would be great but when the numbers are constantly changing and you sometimes have a Mom with kittens in a bathroom, an older litter in another room and some adults in yet another room, you have to use what keeps the smell down :) Due to fostering I have repainted the study 3 times and the guest bedroom twice. HOW can kittens get poop 4 feet up a wall??? :) Oh, best invention EVER for a foster household is a Lampe Berger (Winterwood is my fav oil). If you don't have one, I HIGHLY recommend getting a couple. They are pricey but S worth it. http://www.lampeberger.us/lampe-berger-official-website-luxury-fragrances-for-the-home Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 15:09:47 -0700 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I had the same experience with the feline Pine. It smells like moldy wood to me. Bought one bag and never again. I think we may need to make a distinction between rescue households with a lot of cats and a constant parade of fosters coming and going and a household with just a few pet cats. Mine is a rescue household and I have adopters coming too the house so I have to make sure it doesn't stink. I've been using clumping litter for more than 10 years and we've never had a problem. (When I fostered kittens though I used the old fashioned non-clumping clay litter because kittens have been known to try to eat litter.) --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 2:57 PM I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly poop! His name is Sugar after all. Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez, couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my first cat about 6 or 7 years ago. It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so confusing though. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well as the cats. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You are right Maureen, I can almost compare it to walking down the cereal isle in the grocery store, lol! There are too many choices of cat litters but they are finicky, right?! You may think that we are just used to the smell, but many of my friends are honest and outspoken. They say they can't tell I have cats, so I'm assuming they are being honest. Hopefully they really are! I don't want my house to smell like a ginormous litter box. Sugar does not think his poop stinks, so why should I, right?! Lol!! He's a keeper!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly poop! His name is Sugar after all. Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez, couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my first cat about 6 or 7 years ago. It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so confusing though. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well as the cats. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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If your friends come to your house and leave rather quickly then it might smell. But if they stay and visit for a while then you're probably good ;-) Especially if you have friends that don't have pets, they can't tolerate the smell for long. I bet Sugar is something else. I've got one that doesn't think her poop smells either. Her name is Spaz and she lives up to it every day. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:39:04 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = You are right Maureen, I can almost compare it to walking down the cereal isle in the grocery store, lol! There are too many choices of cat litters but they are finicky, right?! You may think that we are just used to the smell, but many of my friends are honest and outspoken. They say they can't tell I have cats, so I'm assuming they are being honest. Hopefully they really are! I don't want my house to smell like a ginormous litter box. Sugar does not think his poop stinks, so why should I, right?! Lol!! He's a keeper!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly poop! His name is Sugar after all. Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez, couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my first cat about 6 or 7 years ago. It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so confusing though. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well as the cats. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Are they called totes? I use large Styrofoam containers to ship chemo to hospitals - a friend is an oncology nurse practitioner and saves them for us. They're larger than Styrofoam coolers, sturdier, and already insulated. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Totes are wonderful. I leave the top off and the boys are young enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are wonderful too. I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who, late in life, had issues getting positioned. Besides the totes are a lot cheaper and more appropriately sized. FYI: They make great outdoor shelters too. On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of her poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the International smelliest poop contest! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly poop! His name is Sugar after all. Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez, couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my first cat about 6 or 7 years ago. It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so confusing though. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well as the cats. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat. It has actually woken me up in the middle of the night. It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to find which litterbox he used and cover it immediately. Even if I'm eating I put everything down and go take care of it. It's not like I could eat anymore anyway! Yuck. Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio door wide open to get the smell out. He's always had runny poop too. Think it's cause of the FIV? I heard that it can have that effect on them. But then I wondered if it's something else. Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny poops? “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of her poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the International smelliest poop contest! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly poop! His name is Sugar after all. Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez, couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my first cat about 6 or 7 years ago. It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so confusing though. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well as the cats. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Maureen, For the short time I had Crash, he had very loose stools and the fumes when he had a BM, could take the paint off the walls! He had coccidia as you know when he was very young. Then he tested positive for FeLV. But before we knew this, my vet had put him on Royal Canin Feline High Energy Gastro-Intestinal (HE30) dry food and it worked well for him. His stools became formed but not near as stinky but still somewhat soft. It was not perfect, but it certainly was an improvement. See if this will work for yours as well. Poop smells anyway, but when it practically takes the wallpaper/paint off, then you have to try something. Good luck! L - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat. It has actually woken me up in the middle of the night. It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to find which litterbox he used and cover it immediately. Even if I'm eating I put everything down and go take care of it. It's not like I could eat anymore anyway! Yuck. Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio door wide open to get the smell out. He's always had runny poop too. Think it's cause of the FIV? I heard that it can have that effect on them. But then I wondered if it's something else. Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny poops? “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of her poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the International smelliest poop contest! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly poop! His name is Sugar after all. Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez, couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my first cat about 6 or 7 years ago. It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so confusing though. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well as the cats. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
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I had tried Feline Pine, but it does not scoop very well, especially with Dee, she covers and covers again and ten again until she destroys the clumps. I have been using World's Best Cat Litter. You can find it at Petsmart or Tractor supply. It is made fromcorn, clumps great (even with Dee doing her best to destroy the clumps) and holds down the odor. With 7 cats, I use the Multi Ca formula. If you want, you can add some baking soda or cedar to the litter. Of course, I scoop the boxes 2 times a day and sometimes 3 times. Then you have Harley, who sometimes passes gas when he gets excited. Get out the clothspins time then. The best thing about World's Best, is that it is okay to put in the compost or just pick a spot with lots of leaves, add a bit of sand and each day put the litter there and cover it. Dung beetles, etc. will take care of the rest of it. I do not have any smell around the house. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of her poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the International smelliest poop contest! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly poop! His name is Sugar after all. Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez, couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my first cat about 6 or 7 years ago. It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so confusing though. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well as the cats. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Styrofoam? Harley and Dee would make hash out of them in no time. If it resist the claws, it gets clawed to death. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Are they called totes? I use large Styrofoam containers to ship chemo to hospitals - a friend is an oncology nurse practitioner and saves them for us. They're larger than Styrofoam coolers, sturdier, and already insulated. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Totes are wonderful. I leave the top off and the boys are young enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are wonderful too. I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who, late in life, had issues getting positioned. Besides the totes are a lot cheaper and more appropriately sized. FYI: They make great outdoor shelters too. On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample for testing. I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed instead of litter. It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the vet. It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a urinary tract infection or stones. Also great for diabetic cats - invented by a lady with a diabetic cat. Only thing is they have to be seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the box. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said
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What a great invention of a litter box! I might have purchased it when I had my diabetic cat. She passed away 2 yrs ago. She made it easy for me to catch her urine mid-stream. She would squat close to the litter but not sit on it, with her rear end towards me and I could catch it in a small, sterilized bottle cap. Then I could get her keytone level by dipping the strip into her urine. I had to prick her ear to get her blood to get her glucose. I did this for 9 yrs (she lived to be 17 1/2 yrs). I still miss her even though she was a lot of work. RIP, Pebbles! Sorry, I got carried away... L - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample for testing. I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed instead of litter. It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the vet. It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a urinary tract infection or stones. Also great for diabetic cats - invented by a lady with a diabetic cat. Only thing is they have to be seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the box. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I
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iT ISN' THE WORK INVOLVED IN CARING FOR THEM, IT IS WHAT YOU GET BACK FROM THEM IN RETURN THAT COUNTS! A friend of mine had to follow her little dog around the yard with a shallow dish to catch the urine for the vet. She said she hoped that the neighbors never saw her, or they would have thought she was crazy. Folks around here just do not think you need to go to all that trouble for cats and dogs, ESPECIALLY CATS. They think I am crazy because I take my pride to the vet for shots, etc. The only thing they are good for is out in the barn to catch mice. I have earned the name Crazy Cat Lady Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: What a great invention of a litter box! I might have purchased it when I had my diabetic cat. She passed away 2 yrs ago. She made it easy for me to catch her urine mid-stream. She would squat close to the litter but not sit on it, with her rear end towards me and I could catch it in a small, sterilized bottle cap. Then I could get her keytone level by dipping the strip into her urine. I had to prick her ear to get her blood to get her glucose. I did this for 9 yrs (she lived to be 17 1/2 yrs). I still miss her even though she was a lot of work. RIP, Pebbles! Sorry, I got carried away... L - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample for testing. I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed instead of litter. It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the vet. It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a urinary tract infection or stones. Also great for diabetic cats - invented by a lady with a diabetic cat. Only thing is they have to be seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the box. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to
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As someone who followed my little dog around with a dish to catch urine on a very busy street in front of my apt house, I can relate! I just put my head down wouldn't look at any passer by. LOL -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question iT ISN' THE WORK INVOLVED IN CARING FOR THEM, IT IS WHAT YOU GET BACK FROM THEM IN RETURN THAT COUNTS! A friend of mine had to follow her little dog around the yard with a shallow dish to catch the urine for the vet. She said she hoped that the neighbors never saw her, or they would have thought she was crazy. Folks around here just do not think you need to go to all that trouble for cats and dogs, ESPECIALLY CATS. They think I am crazy because I take my pride to the vet for shots, etc. The only thing they are good for is out in the barn to catch mice. I have earned the name Crazy Cat Lady Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: What a great invention of a litter box! I might have purchased it when I had my diabetic cat. She passed away 2 yrs ago. She made it easy for me to catch her urine mid-stream. She would squat close to the litter but not sit on it, with her rear end towards me and I could catch it in a small, sterilized bottle cap. Then I could get her keytone level by dipping the strip into her urine. I had to prick her ear to get her blood to get her glucose. I did this for 9 yrs (she lived to be 17 1/2 yrs). I still miss her even though she was a lot of work. RIP, Pebbles! Sorry, I got carried away... L - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample for testing. I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed instead of litter. It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the vet. It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a urinary tract infection or stones. Also great for diabetic cats - invented by a lady with a diabetic cat. Only thing is they have to be seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the box. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the
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I just have 25 acres nd I just walk down the grvel roa and into the woods a it. I have never noticed any smell coming from the area I dump it in. It is made from ground up corn (World's Best Cat Litter) so the clumps break down in the rain and the dung beetles, etc take care of the rest of it. My guys love it so I am sticking with it. I tried the Feline Pine (pellets) and we wanted nothing to do with it. Same with the Sweat. Wehad more out of the box problems than ever. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: There is 124 acres to put it on. Poop gets pitched into unused fields--far from the house. I can't see a difference between theirs and that of the numerous cats who stray this way/deer/buzzards/turkey etc. The pee turns the pellets into sawdust. It may sound gross but it really isn't On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote: You throw it outside? Not the poop, though, do you? I can't imagine doing that with all my cat's doodoosor all the pee! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I like it a lot. My boys came from a pine thicket so it was a natural thing for them. I can pitch the sawdust into the fields, use it around trees or compost it. On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in
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Go on their website, they should be able to tell you a store near you that carries it. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I like it a lot. My boys came from a pine thicket so it was a natural thing for them. I can pitch the sawdust into the fields, use it around trees or compost it. On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Katy Doyle wrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my town. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Same here - I might try it on a very small group. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I won't switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol! good to know, thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive. Exquisicat Natural Wheat. I'm transitioning to this I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch well. It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors. Maybe give this a try. It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and
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What about natural alternatives? Try the Only Natural Pet store on line. They have a great Chinese herbal that I used for Homey when she had her crystal problem. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Oh - since you guys mentioned asthma I just wanted to throw out there that if any of your kitties ever develop asthma there is a wonderful feline asthma group. The people on that list know more about it than a lot of vets because it's not that common and they've had years of experience with it. I have a cat with asthma and with their help I got him on inhaled medications, same kind that humans use, and it's wonderful and keeps his asthma under control. Not nearly as hard on the body as prednisone or other steroids which is how asthma in cats is usually controlled. Lots of vets have not had experience with using inhaled medications (Flovent) on cats so they either tell owners to put their cats on prednisone or steriod shots for the rest of their life. Or the vets that know about inhaled meds for cats will start them on the lowest dosage of Flovent and then when it doesn't help the asthma the vet thinks inhaled meds doesn't work for cats. This asthma group is great and can help get a kitty on the right dosage and give you lots of tips to get them used to using the Aerokat to do the inhaled treatments. I also use an online pharmacy called 4 Corners which is located in New Zealand, to get the meds. It's one third of the cost as the drugs in the U.S. Anyway, just wanted you guys to know so if you ever need help with an asthma kitty go straight to that group. I don't know what I would have done without them. My vet knew about asthma and even gave me an Aerokat but she didn't think it was easy to get a cat to take inhaled meds so she just recommended a steroid shot every 6 weeks. Thank God I found the group. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:51:15 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = That's because we assume that everything we buy must be safe for them! It's a shame that we have to be so suspicious of everything and question every bit of info! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:40 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Wow... You know, the dusty clay litter gives me asthma attacks, I'm ashamed that I never thought of how it would affect my cats. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure keeps the smell down as well. The cheapest place to get it it Petsmart (not Petco, they are extremely higher for some reason). It last for a long time as well, but like I said, I dump it just to keep Sugar happy. Thanks so much :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay
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I have gotten very parinoid about everything made for pets. Especially since I found that my guys were upchucking all the time because of the corn, wheat or soy in their food (Science Diet). I switched to Blue Buffalo Duck and no more upchucks except for Casey when I forget to give her additional hairball meds. She has long Persian like fur, very silky, fine and she is a meticulous groomer. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We get our litter at Walmart - cheapest there, even though we get a discount at PetSmart. The problem is that they are still pushing and selling all kinds of clumping litter as if it were something special for your beloved cats! My husband bought a small fabric toy for the cats, and I decided to read the label: It said to be careful, make sure that cats don't tear the fabric and eat the contents because it could cause serious injury or death! Mad in China, and who oversees the safety of things coming in? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure keeps the smell down as well. The cheapest place to get it it Petsmart (not Petco, they are extremely higher for some reason). It last for a long time as well, but like I said, I dump it just to keep Sugar happy. Thanks so much :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on
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Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We get our litter at Walmart - cheapest there, even though we get a discount at PetSmart. The problem is that they are still pushing and selling all kinds of clumping litter as if it were something special for your beloved cats! My husband bought a small fabric toy for the cats, and I decided to read the label: It said to be careful, make sure that cats don't tear the fabric and eat the contents because it could cause serious injury or death! Mad in China, and who oversees the safety of things coming in? AT TIMES, I THINK NO ONE IS CHECKING. I JUST DO NOT TRUST ANYONE SO I READ LABELS ON EVERYTHING. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Thanks, Natalie. I've never used clay litter or anything that makes dust. Can you imagine being enclosed in a box with all that dust flying around. What were they thinking back in the day?! I've used Feline Pine for a long time and all my cats through the years have all accepted it. It sure keeps the smell down as well. The cheapest place to get it it Petsmart (not Petco, they are extremely higher for some reason). It last for a long time as well, but like I said, I dump it just to keep Sugar happy. Thanks so much :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We have to use a good basic litter because of cost - when you have to provide litter for over 70 cats, we prefer spending the money on good food! aCTUALLY, THE wROLD'S bEST mULTI CAT IS NOT ALL THAT EXPENSIVE CONSIDERING THAT YOU DO NOT HVE TO CHANGE IT THAT OFTEN. i SCOOP 2, SOMETIMES 3 TIMES A DAY SO THE LITTER STAYS CLEAN LONGER AND MY GUYS DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. AS LONG AS EACH ONE HAS HIS OR HER OWN BOX. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Good advice, I will try it as well. By the way, I use Feline Pine (it's similar to saw dust, without the dust, lol!). But my cat, Sugar, only urinated once outside the box onto our bed. Glad that it was only once, and the problem was solved quick. Have a great weekend everyone! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
I fond the Arm Hammer to be extremely dusty, also a litter that said it was made from desert sand. Krger carried it. I got one box and tried it in one of the boxes. Threw it out the next day. The cats and I were sneezing and I found a fine coat of dust all over my room. Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Forgot to mention tat I have 2 litter boxes in my bedroom and no ODOR PRBLEM. eITHER THAT OR MY SINUSES ARE CLOGGED UP. Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pretty Boy
Thanks for taking care of the OLD boy. They need love too. I took in 2 10 year olds that no one wanted to adopt from a local no kill shelter. They had been there in cages for over a year. Lil Bit woudl not come out of my room for over a year, but now comes into the living room and sits on the back of the sofa with me. Casey had no problems, just moved in and took over as queen of the house. It is a shame that more people don't consider older cats, they still have at least 8 or 9 years left to live and they have lots of love to give you in return for your love . Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Thanks for taking care of Pretty Boy. I just love old cats, maybe that's because I'm old :-) Lorrie On 07-07, MaiMaiPG wrote: Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
I have a FIV kitty without runny poop. From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat. It has actually woken me up in the middle of the night. It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to find which litterbox he used and cover it immediately. Even if I'm eating I put everything down and go take care of it. It's not like I could eat anymore anyway! Yuck. Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio door wide open to get the smell out. He's always had runny poop too. Think it's cause of the FIV? I heard that it can have that effect on them. But then I wondered if it's something else. Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny poops? “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of her poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the International smelliest poop contest! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly poop! His name is Sugar after all. Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez, couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my first cat about 6 or 7 years ago. It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so confusing though. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I've never heard of that problem, but then I don't keep the litter boxes in a closed area like you would an adoption center. It's fine to use at home in an open area. I have 3 litter boxes with Feline Pine (non-pellet form) in our master bathroom. It actually controls the odors. I like it as well as the cats. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet meds for humans
My mother was a nurse and a sales rep once told her that it is te same, they just put different labels on the bottles. The only tme I went to the dr for a cat bite was ehn Moses, a neighbor's cat came courting my girls who have been spayed. He thought my Harley was moving in on his territory and leaped at him. Of course, I grabbed Harley to save him and I got bit on the back of my hand. Don't think I had to worry about infection, blood was spurtijng all over the place. I let it bleed out a bit, rinsed with peroxide, put a pressue bandage on it and went to the ER. Of course, I had to find Moses and be sure he was okay, but everything turned out well. All they did at the ER was tell me I did a good job of bandaging it, gave me a couple of antibiotic pills and sent me home. Next time, I will go back to peroxide, vitamin E oil and lavendar and save myself the cost of and ER visit and an all night stand in their waiting room. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 07-07, Cindy McHugh wrote: Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy I can identify with that Cindy. I recently got a bad cat bite and used large dog size Clavamox. It is the exact same thing as human Augmentin, which is the antibiotic recommended for cat bites. My arm was all swollen up after the bite but the Clavamox worked great and I saved money on a doctor bill and the Augmentin. The last time I was bitten it cost me $95. for the doctor and $45. for the Augmentin. Animal and vet meds are usually the same, but have different names, so the trick is knowing which is which, what works, and how much to take for how long. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fw: Pebbles - dlgegg
I do realize that, otherwise why would I go to all the trouble? It's sad to have ppl put down animals b/c they don't want to go to the trouble. I had the vet ask me if I wanted to put Pebbles down when they discovered she was a diabetic. I shivered at the thought. But I will still say she was a lot of work. I had to leave Thanksgiving dinners, Christmas gatherings, etc when it was time for her insulin. I had to give it to her 2 x's a dayand I spent thousands on her. She also had 5 other diseases by the time she passed. But I would do it all over again. I remember the day I brought her home at 5 weeks, yes 5 weeks. There were kids in Austin, TX giving away these kittens. She was the most pitiful looking one, but I knew she needed me. - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question iT ISN' THE WORK INVOLVED IN CARING FOR THEM, IT IS WHAT YOU GET BACK FROM THEM IN RETURN THAT COUNTS! A friend of mine had to follow her little dog around the yard with a shallow dish to catch the urine for the vet. She said she hoped that the neighbors never saw her, or they would have thought she was crazy. Folks around here just do not think you need to go to all that trouble for cats and dogs, ESPECIALLY CATS. They think I am crazy because I take my pride to the vet for shots, etc. The only thing they are good for is out in the barn to catch mice. I have earned the name Crazy Cat Lady Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: What a great invention of a litter box! I might have purchased it when I had my diabetic cat. She passed away 2 yrs ago. She made it easy for me to catch her urine mid-stream. She would squat close to the litter but not sit on it, with her rear end towards me and I could catch it in a small, sterilized bottle cap. Then I could get her keytone level by dipping the strip into her urine. I had to prick her ear to get her blood to get her glucose. I did this for 9 yrs (she lived to be 17 1/2 yrs). I still miss her even though she was a lot of work. RIP, Pebbles! Sorry, I got carried away... L - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample for testing. I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed instead of litter. It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the vet. It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a urinary tract infection or stones. Also great for diabetic cats - invented by a lady with a diabetic cat. Only thing is they have to be seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the box. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically
