Re: GOOD NEWS!!!!!
I'm telling this story to everyone I know - they love it! Now let's hope that when the TV station does a follow-up, they describe Leslie's car again. It will be so tough for her to commute to work and school. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Brenda Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:06 am Subject: Re: GOOD NEWS! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I am so happy for Leslie. I am just sitting here crying I am so relieved. What beauties those two are. Someone was watching out for them :) Janine Gary Murphy wrote: LESLIE JUST CALLED, SATCHMO IS BACK! -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006
Re: Stolen car (non)update - another idea
I'm thinking the local media would be more interested in the requests of viewers from the local market - so that if Leslie and her friends call in and request a story - and tell them how fascinating to local viewers it will be and make them want to help - it would have a greater impact than calls of people from hundreds of miles away who can't watch their station anyway. just a thought, Bonnie in WI http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Precious Pets, Almost Home [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:36 am Subject: Re: Stolen car (non)update - another idea To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Leslie: I think Nina has a good suggestion regarding calling the phone. You can also have people text message your phone as well. The person may read the text messages since this does not require speaking into the phone. I recent lost my cell phone at Jewel Grocery Store when grocery shopping. Since I use my cell phone for rescue and the rescue group business, I get alot of phone calls. Well after a short period of time, one of my friends call my direct home number and told me that my cell phone was at Jewel. I did not even notice that I had lost the cell phone. I just thought that it was being a quiet night?? You see my cell phone ringer for caller I.D. is a recording of six 10 day old baby kittens screaming to be feed. So say the least, Jewel was delighted to hear from me and that I was coming to get the phone. The phone was driving them crazy and Jewel's customer service text message my friend that I had lost my phone. That night was busy with phone calls that was screaming baby kittens to be feed! So maybe the person that took the car may get curious about all the phone calls and text messages. Maybe the person will try to read the text messages and see they are about the cats. I know it is a long shot but it happen to me! Precious Pets P. S. Another suggestion would be to offer a reward for their safe return in the text messages. --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Kelly, post the numbers to the local media for Leslie and I for one will call and plead for them to run the story. I had another idea, Leslie. Why don't you place a box ad in the paper? You should put one in the lost/found section as well, but find out how much it costs to place an ad somewhere in the paper itself. When you get the salesperson on the phone, tell them your story and see if they will put someone on the phone who might find it newsworthy. I'd start with something like, Cats with medical condition abducted in stolen car!. Offer a reward. Describe the car. Don't just write emails, keep calling the TV stations and the newspapers. Go down there if you have to. This is off the wall, but have you thought about calling your cell phone and see if someone answers? I'm just sick thinking about those sweet angels and what you and they are going through. Did you get my post about the animal communicators? You may think I'm nuts, but what can it hurt to try it? Big hugs, Nina __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Need immediate thoughts for Satch and Beatrix
I sent it to the CNN news tip line Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Mi Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:29 pm Subject: Re: Need immediate thoughts for Satch and Beatrix To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org oh my god... i'm so sorry to hear that... i saw Kelly's email just now. i'll call those 2 numbers after i finish this email... Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please bear with me here in writing this, I didn't know how hard it would be to put into words. I spend my weekends at my boyfriend's house and take the cats with me (they love him and his dog, and I don't like leaving them). Monday mornings I pack everything up including the cats, go back in to say goodbye to Ed, and then drive the 20 minutes home. This morning I loaded in my groceries, my school books, the cats, go back in kiss Ed goodbye, grab my breakfast in a tupperware from the fridge and go back outside to find someone in my car backing it out of the driveway. The doors were unlocked, but there was no key inside it, so they must have hotwired it. I ran at the car backing up, yelling, hey and get out and banging on the windshield, I in fact, smashed the tupperware against it, having no other weapons (eggs went everywhere), but they kept going. I yelled that there are cats in there, but they didn't stop. Ed heard me yelling and by the time I got back inside, he was on the phone with 911. As indoor cats they don't wear collars, though both are microchipped. They ride well in the car as long as they're loose, so they were loose. I don't know which is more likely, them to get thrown out, or to be kept in. Satch is probably talking the thief's ear off because he didn't get fed before we left. I am so scared that they'll have been thrown out. Satch is a big guy, was found on the streets, he can handle what is likely to present itself to him, but the kittenoh you guys, I'm so scared. I would have thought they'd be a theft deterrant. He threw my book bag out the window across from a nearby park, I have no idea why that item of all that he could have (my overnight bag, grocery bags, etc), and figure that it's God's way of saying that even through this stress I still have to study. ha. Ironically the 20 lb biology book was probably the most valuable item in the car, not that its street value would amount to much. Naturally, I've spent the morning searching that area to see if the cats might have been tossed there, too, but haven't found anything. Satch knows his name and comes to it, so I hope that they at least stay together. Pray that the police call ( I have Ed's cell phone, mine was in the car, but maybe they'll be able to use it's tracking device to locate it ), and pray that they have good news. Picture Satch and Beatrix oblivious to my concerns and sleeping on the back seat, or hanging out on a nice porch waiting for me to find them. Pray that they not be stressed, but get back to me after a harmless adventure on their end. please pray that I see them again and that they are unharmed. Thank you all so much, Leslie - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Off to the shelters (Bea and Satch)
Dear Leslie, What does your car look like - I'll pass it along to my niece in Vancouver. as well as a description of the kitties. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:32 pm Subject: Off to the shelters (Bea and Satch) To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I felt so positive this morning, but as the hours pass, it's hard not to feel frantic again. I hope that the piece aired on channel 2 tonight will help. I'm running out now to distribute some posters, then I've got to get home to study some before the test tomorrow. I'll check in again with the news desks. Do you know if one channel airs something does that makes the rest less likely to? My big hope is the Oregonian newspaper. I was told by the Humane Societythat they couldn't send something out to the volunteer list unless it was OHS (Oregon Humane Society) related. I said but I'm OHS related! The woman is very nice, so I'm hoping that if there is a case for rule bendingthat this is it. She certainly personally commiserated with me. I'll try again tomorrow, maybe as things get a bit more desparate, she'll be morewilling to help, though I'd certainly rather things not get any moredesparate. I just hope that they aren't locked in the car somewhere remote. If work can continue to be flexible, I'm going to take a long lunch tomorrowand hit the shelters to peer into the cages. Words can not express my gratitude to you all. As I'd written a couple of you, the shock and raw feelings of the actual theft have more than beensalved by you - the feelings of distrust and anger at the world in general have been outyelled by all of your open generosity and continued support.Things will not be all right again until they are back home, but at least I know that evil is not winning in the long run. Thank you, Lesie
Re: Need immediate thoughts for Satch and Beatrix
do the police know the kitties are in the car? http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:23 pm Subject: Re: Need immediate thoughts for Satch and Beatrix To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *OH LESLIE! HOW AWFUL!! I'm so sorry you're going through this!! It is absolutely unimaginable!! You're poor, poor scared cats!! What kind of jerks... oh, don't get me started. Please keep us posted... I'm so sorry.**Leslie =^..^=* On 10/16/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please bear with me here in writing this, I didn't know how hard it would be to put into words. I spend my weekends at my boyfriend's house and take the cats with me (they love him and his dog, and I don't like leaving them). Monday mornings I pack everything up including the cats, go back in to say goodbye to Ed, and then drive the 20 minutes home. This morning I loaded in my groceries, my school books, the cats, go back in kiss Ed goodbye, grab my breakfast in a tupperware from the fridge and go back outside to find someone in my car backing it out of the driveway. The doors were unlocked, but there was no key inside it, so they must have hotwired it. I ran at the car backing up, yelling, hey and get out and banging on the windshield, I in fact, smashed the tupperware against it, having no other weapons (eggs went everywhere), but they kept going. I yelled that there are cats in there, but they didn't stop. Ed heard me yelling and by the time I got back inside, he was on the phone with 911. As indoor cats they don't wear collars, though both are microchipped. They ride well in the car as long as they're loose, so they were loose. I don't know which is more likely, them to get thrown out, or to be kept in. Satch is probably talking the thief's ear off because he didn't get fed before we left. I am so scared that they'll have been thrown out. Satch is a big guy, was found on the streets, he can handle what is likely to present itself to him, but the kittenoh you guys, I'm so scared. I would have thought they'd be a theft deterrant. He threw my book bag out the window across from a nearby park, I have no idea why that item of all that he could have (my overnight bag, grocery bags, etc), and figure that it's God's way of saying that even through this stress I still have to study. ha. Ironically the 20 lb biology book was probably the most valuable item in the car, not that its street value would amount to much. Naturally, I've spent the morning searching that area to see if the cats might have been tossed there, too, but haven't found anything. Satch knows his name and comes to it, so I hope that they at least stay together. Pray that the police call ( I have Ed's cell phone, mine was in the car, but maybe they'll be able to use it's tracking device to locate it ), and pray that they have good news. Picture Satch and Beatrix oblivious to my concerns and sleeping on the back seat, or hanging out on a nice porch waiting for me to find them. Pray that they not be stressed, but get back to me after a harmless adventure on their end. please pray that I see them again and that they are unharmed. Thank you all so much, Leslie -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a gardenpatch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Stolen car (non)update
Leslie, My niece lives in Vancouver near Portland. What kind of car do you have and what color is it? bonnie inWI http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:33 pm Subject: Stolen car (non)update To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org oh guys, my heart is so heavy and I think that my stinging eyes might just make me too tired to actually sleep tonight. I have read all of your posts and printed them to go over tonight and make sure that I follow all advice. I'll put below what I sent to news stations and newspapers, please send revisions to make it better. Do you think that I can resend it to them tomorrow? I'll also call tomorrow those that I sent to today and send to more that I think of. Of course as soon as it was sent I thought of ways to make it better, but I just wanted to get something off quickly. I'm so exhausted, and I've had to deal with regular stuff too like a replacement driver's license (trust me, the DMV is NOT where you want to be in this deflated mood - you actually feel like you belong there) and phone and rental car and prescriptions. Too bad they had to retake my photo at the DMV and now I'll have to remember this day. If the cats weren't involved I'd just be angry. As I walked out to catchhim taking the car, as I touched the car, as I know that he heard my voice, that they heard my voice, my feelings of what if, what if, are so overwhelming. But as he took it. As he took them. As he drove away with the beings that I swore to protect, that I promised them I would protect, as he took them farther, is still taking them farther as minutes go into minutes, my despair, my hyperventilation is just going and going. I don't blame myself, it is so absurd. How could I have known? I couldn't have, so I don't blame myself. But I don't know how I'll be able to sleep tonightknowing that they are out there. That it is raining and I don't know where they are. Oh, I keep forgetting to mention, I am in Portland, OR. They were takenfrom Vancouver, WA, I live in Portland. I don't want to take an Ambien tonight, because what if the police call, but I know that I won't sleep. As I don't have a computer at home there is nothing that I can do, but wait to get back to work and do more. I lay my head on all of your shoulders tonight and ask that you send your furbabies spirits to be with Satch and Beatrix. And maybe one or two to sleep next to me tonight. Hideyo, I hear you. I will find them. I will get them back. And they will be okay. I feel the thread. I feel it going to them and protecting them. I feel you all. I don't know anyone could do this with a child in the car. It would be even more unbearable. Anyway, on to class, no more to do tonight. Leslie --- Hello, My name is Leslie Nies and my car was stolen this morning at 6:30 am. I was loading up my car getting ready to drive home from a weekend at my boyfriends (he lives in Vancouver, I live in Portland) - which includedovernight bag, book bag, and my two pet cats, Satchmo and Beatrix. I went inside to say goodbye and when I came back out, someone was backing my car out the driveway. The doors were unlocked, but the keys were in my pocket,so they must have hotwired it. I ran toward them yelling hey and get out and started banging on the windshield as they put it in drive. But they kept accelerating. My boyfriend was already on the phone with the police when I got back inside. Yes, they stole my car, but they also stole my cats! I can only believe that they didn't see them. It's been suggested to me by a couple of people that you might be interested in doing a story on it, and as far as I'm concerned, anything that might help me get them back is worth it. I've attached a picture of each of them, there are more on my phone, but that was in the car also. They are just the best cats and I am going out of my mind worrying aboutfinding them now. They are both leukemia positive, which means that they have compromised immune systems (and why they are indoor only) and thoughthey are currently healthy and rambunctious are on a preventive vitamin. I don't care about the car or the stuff in it, I just want my cats back. Both are microchipped, but neither have collars as they are indoor only cats.Let me tell you a little about them. Satchmo is a 6-yr old brown tabby cat. I rescued him from the Cat AdoptionTeam in Sherwood two years ago. I started out fostering him, but ended up adotping him. When he came to me, he had a very severe kitty cold that he needed to be nursed through and immediately following that
Re: Let's help Leslie and her babies
Perhaps the cats are still in the car - we need the description of the car - maybe if someone local sees the car, that may lead to the thief...etc.. If Leslie can tell me the make and model of the car I will tell my niece in Vancouver, WA, and she can tell her husband and all their friends to be on the lookout Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:28 pm Subject: Let's help Leslie and her babies To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I just spoke with Leslie and when she gets out of class she will call and give me the phone numbers of the local media there in Washington Please...Let us all call these places and tell them to please run this story,,,get everyone out looking for these cats,,,the car etclots of phone calls Please. I will post soon Kelly Lane
Re: RE: Call it CAT JACKED
I might say to the news media people that the incident has been reported to the police in case they want independent verification. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:11 pm Subject: RE: Call it CAT JACKED To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org At 09:08 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Please do and please call those numbers,you can call Leslie directly at 360 713 2032 she would appreciate it... Kelly, If you talk to Leslie tonight please ask her if I may begin posting her information to some lost pet lists online. If so, Missing Pet Network asks for an alternate phone #, email address, and nearest intersection to where they were lost. If she is comfortable having this information posted, I'll start right away. Thanks, Beth PS: Cat Jacked is the perfect headline. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006
Re: RE: Call it CAT JACKED
well, I'm in Wisconsin - will it help? http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:22 pm Subject: Re: RE: Call it CAT JACKED To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org At 09:19 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Did you call them.??. It has been reported to the police.Please give them a call so they know people are interested thanks I might say to the news media people that the incident has been reportedto the police in case they want independent verification. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:11 pm Subject: RE: Call it CAT JACKED To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org At 09:08 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Please do and please call those numbers,you can call Leslie directly at 360 713 2032 she would appreciate it... Kelly, If you talk to Leslie tonight please ask her if I may begin posting her information to some lost pet lists online. If so, Missing Pet Network asks for an alternate phone #, email address, and nearest intersection to where they were lost. If she is comfortable having this information posted, I'll start right away. Thanks, Beth PS: Cat Jacked is the perfect headline. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006
Re: FeLV FIV+ Orange Tabby Boy Looking for Home-Griffen, GA
There are some kitty rescues in the area, such as Savethekitties, but I don't know if they take FIV/FELV kitties. Let's all pray for him or else he'll wind up one of the countless victims of the infamous Spalding shelter gas chamber! Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:30 am Subject: FeLV FIV+ Orange Tabby Boy Looking for Home-Griffen, GA To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi Everyone, I saw this handsome guy on savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com one of the comments said that he tested + for FIV FeLV. Contact info is below, if anyone can help him. Yvonne FOS DSH Orange Cat (javascript:void(window.open('http://www.petfinder.com/tools/mailpet/mailpet.cgi?action=1petid=7110449petname=FOS DSH Orange','emailpet','height=400,width=500,left=200,top=100,screenx=200,screeny=100,scrollbars=no'))) _E-mail this pet_ (javascript:void(window.open('http://www.petfinder.com/tools/mailpet/mailpet.cgi?action=1petid=7110449petname=FOS DSH Orange','emailpet','height=400,width=500,left=200,top=100,screenx=200,screeny=100,scrollbars=no'))) (http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7110449ptmpl=1) _Printer Friendly_ (http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7110449ptmpl=1) (javascript:void(0);) (javascript:void(0);) _Spalding County Animal Shelter_ (http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/GA42.html) Griffin, GA (770) 467-4772 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pet Inquiry: FOS DSH Orange PFId#7110449 Id#A06-2851) Domestic Short Hair-orange Mix Size: Small Age: Adult Gender: Male ID: A06-2851 Notes: SPALDING ID A06-2851 RESCUED! NOW UP FOR ADOPTION Please Note: This Cat is in foster care and is no longer at Spalding County Animal Shelter. Please do not contact the shelter for information. Please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested in adopting this cat. This kitty has received the following vaccinations: ECLIPSE 4--it vaccinates the cats against: Rhinotracheitis, Calici, Panleukopenia, Chlamydia Psittaci Vaccine (MLV Chlamydia) (Schering-Plough). Thank you!
OT: air travel with pets
This topic came up earlier, if I remember correctly. There is an article on flying with pets in the September issue of Consumer Reports, p.8 called When the Fur Flies. The article mentions a web-site of the Department of Transportation which lists incidents: airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/index.htm Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf
Re: :-(
I hope she will be an indoor kitty from now on. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:42 pm Subject: :-( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I'm very upset right now. I was walking out to get the mail and my neighbor's mail (he's out of town) when I heard a lot of yelling and turned around in time to see a dog going after Mama Kitty - in MY yard on MY sidewalk. She was wild with fear and well she should have been. I dropped the mail - it went everywhere - and started running after that dog screaming N! Mama climbed up the big oak more than 8 ft but then she fell and hit the ground hard and that horrible dog picked her up in his mouth. She's just a tiny thing. She got away and ran up the arbor in the back that has to be 10ft tall and I chased that sorry black dog away. I got her down from the arbor and she ran to the backyard - terrified. I just stood with her a moment and talked to her and then she ran to the back window pawing to get in. I picked her up and carried that sweet girl inside and she's in here now with eyes fully dilated. Keeps looking out the window. With FeVL she does NOT need this kind of stress. Those sorry neighbors haven't even checked to see if Mama is ok. I am furious but trying to be calm for her sake. I don't think she has any broken skin or broken bones but it is probably too soon to tell if she is really hurt because she is going on adrenalin. I've a good mind to say something to them about it. I could hear the mother yelling 'who let the dog out' but that doesn't do much for Mama Kitty. Thanks for letting me rant - I am so upset.
Re: To Lance Re: Close Encounter between a pos. and a neg.
Dear Lance, I also don't think you have to worry, but you may want to get your kitty re-tested after awhile. As far as I know, the virus can be spread by saliva (mutual grooming, using the same food dishes, bites) or through using the same litter boxes. But the virus only lives a short time in the open air. Three of my six cats become infected with the virus when I brought home a kitten who initially tested negative on the ELISA (I'm told this is rare, more often a young kitten will test positive then negative if the mother was positive). I had all the cats tested: three tested positive, one threw off the virus and two did not; they became ill and died within two years. Three others tested negative and are fine. None of my cats had been vaccinated against FELV - they are indoor cats and I had not mixed my new kitten with them until he was tested. And then we had that rare inaccurate test result. I know some list members do mix their cats - I assume the negative kitties are all vaccinated. So - I just thought I would add my experience to the mix. Bonnie in WI http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:46 am Subject: To Lance Re: Close Encounter between a pos. and a neg. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Lance, I just read this and I'm sure it's too late for my opinion, but I don't think you had anything to worry about at all. The virus is just not that easy to spread from what we can tell. How did your Callie fare after surgery? :) Wendy --- Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone I hope this is just me being paranoid. It's easy to be paranoid when dealing with FeLV+, at least for me. As some of you may recall, my Ember is FeLV+, and my mom picked up a negative kitten (Callie) a number of months ago. Ember still lives in my room, so she is isolated from the negs of the house. Yesterday, I opened my door to bring in food, and Ember started out. I was able to stop her for a bit, but I was holding her in by pressing her with my leg against the door frame, which is something I really didn't want to do. She got out and escaped part of the way down the hall before being chased by Callie the kitten. Callie wants to play with everyone, and she tried to jump on Ember. When Ember ended up cornered at the end of the hall, she let out a nice hiss. Fortunately, she was facing away from Callie when she did this. I rounded up Ember and got her back into my room. Callie, I'm sure, was disappointed. Most of you probably think this doesn't sound like a big deal, and it might not be. Callie has had all of her FeLV+ vax including boosters. She should be good for one year. My concern is that Callie is going in tomorrow to be spayed, and that if she even got the tiniest bit of virus into her system, the immune suppression that will result from the surgery might give it some advantage that we don't want it to have. Do you think there is any cause for concern, based on your own anecdotal experiences? Should we not have the surgery tomorrow? My mom is in a hurry to get her spayed, as Callie's come into a sort of pseudo heat two times, and she's just turned five months old. Your thoughts? Lance __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Boycott Chinese goods
Yes, it's good to contact the Chinese embassy or their tourism bureau, whatever, to let them know you are boycotting their goods and services. Someone said you can boycott some company, e.g. Exxon for despoiling the environment, but you've got to let them know. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, August 5, 2006 10:17 am Subject: Re: Boycott Chinese goods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I signed it as well. Also, sent to others in animal welfare and organizations! In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:00:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just signed the petition. I am going to boycott Chinese goods. I hope other people will do the same. I know it will be hard but like I told my husband we can live without any of THEIR products. Cindy Reasoner --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted to the list a dog slaughter petition to the US Ambassador to China. Many of you doubtless had already signed. I urge everyone to please at least consider boycotting Chinese goods. Yes, just about everything is Made In China -- but that's what makes it all the more imperative that we put no more money their way. China depends enormously on the U.S. In checking the source of everything we buy--which usually just means reading the packaging or turning the item upside down--and refusing to buy when we see Made in China we can start to make a difference. I've found often that the alternative is Made in USA. Cash-strapped as I am, I'd rather pay a bit more--and that's not always necessarily the case--and buy American. It's a no-brainer. I notice quite a few folks on the petition also urging a boycott or Chinese goods. Please spread the word. Pass this email on. I'm no economist, but even excluding the animal brutality issue, it strikes me as a little foolish for us to be importing so much from a single country. Kerry Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WA http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: slippery elm bark for nausea
Nina, It's for my tiny hypernatremia kitty who never grew, Sylvie. She's almost 13 now and the vet says she has CRF. She has recommended phosphorus binders. I think I may start them fairly soon but she is eating a little better and has to gain some weight - she's down to 2 lbs 14 oz. She grinds her teeth when she eats and leaves a thin layer of food on her dish. She just spent a week in the emergency animal hospital where she was on IV fluids and is much better (it cost a paycheck and a half :) ) but I love my tiny half-meezer - make that a half snow-show meezer. Bonnie (who could probably use some slippery elm bark herself) http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, August 5, 2006 10:12 am Subject: Re: slippery elm bark for nausea To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Bonnie, Is the slippery elm for you, or a kitty? What's going on? Another, up at all hours human, Nina BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: Will slippery elm bark help with nausea? Thanks, Bonnie in WI http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf
slippery elm bark for nausea
Will slippery elm bark help with nausea? Thanks, Bonnie in WI http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf
Re: slippery elm bark for nausea
Thanks Gloria. I thought you would have an answer. BTW, you seem to post all all hours, one of your posts came over at 4am. I saw it because I was up too. :) another sleepless one, Bonnie in WI http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 4, 2006 9:20 pm Subject: Re: slippery elm bark for nausea To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org It's supposed to be soothing for the digestive tract. I've used it on numerous occasions for older cats with kidney, and for constipation and diarrhea. Gloria - Original Message - From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: slippery elm bark for nausea Will slippery elm bark help with nausea? Thanks, Bonnie in WI http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf
Re: Question about throwing off the virus and my vet's opinion
My cat did throw off the virus and tested negative for many years on both tests. I would look for a vet with the philosophy that a cat with FELV can live many years with proper care. Bonnie in WI http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 2, 2006 1:58 am Subject: Question about throwing off the virus and my vet's opinion To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi Everyone, A week ago when I took Pippin to the vet, I asked my vet about the upcoming second FeLV test that Pippin is going to have in September. I asked her if she agrees that cats can throw off the virus after having tested positive. She said she does not believe so, that she believes that cats who test negative after having tested positive are harboring the virus and that it can show up at any time in the future. We are going to keep Pippin regardless of her FeLV status. I do wonder if this vet's belief system could affect the care my girl receives if she does develop symptoms. What kinds of questions should I ask on behalf of Pippin? What should I look for in a vet treating a cat with FeLV? Thank you! Gina No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Dogs in China
I looked up the Chinese embassy on Google and sent them an email. I try not to buy anything made in China, but almost everything is these days. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 2, 2006 11:01 am Subject: Dogs in China To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I saw on the news last night that China butchered 50,000.00 dogs. They said it was because of deaths due to rabies. Haven't they ever heard of vacinations? I was just so mad when I read about this and all of their other animal abuses. I read that some people were walking their dogs and the authorities stopped them and beat the dogs to death. I can't believe how horrible people can be. It just really bothered me. Cindy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Emergency aid for vet bills...
Christiane, Best Friends did a lot of Katrina rescue work; a friend who is librarian specializing in grants, says the Best Friends web-site has the best source of information on grants for animals (www.bestfriends.org). United Animal Nations (www.uan.org) sometimes helps with vet bills and another site I have saved is www.imom.org/fa/others.htm Here is my friend Liz's site: http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html Bonnie in WI - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:15 am Subject: Emergency aid for vet bills... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Somewhere in the back of my mind, I remember a site where one can apply for assistance with vet bills. Have someone who has been feeding a group of Katrina strays in MS and has one who turns out to be diabetic and neededemergency care. Does anyone remember the site I'm referring to??? Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Stealth Volunteer in NY Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stealthvolunteers/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stealthvolunteers/
Re: FeLV vaccination of recovered cat?
Jen, It is common for kittens to test positive if infected by the mother and then test negative later. But why is she due for an FELV vaccination? FELV vaccinations aren't routine. Is she going to be kept with positive kitties or is she going to be an outdoor cat? Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Jen Reinke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 7, 2006 2:04 pm Subject: FeLV vaccination of recovered cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hello, My parent's cat tested positive for FeLV as a young kitten- she was a stray and we assume that she was infected by her mother. Six months later she was tested again and was negative. We were told that it was possible that she either fought it off, or that the antibodies in her system were actually her mother's and that she never really contracted the disease. She is now due to have a vaccination for FeLV, but we are concerned that this will have negative effects, given her history, or that she does not need it as she should have antibodies already in her system. Is there any information about how such a situation should be handled? Thanks for any info or leads on the subject! Jen
Samantha
Julia, Samantha knew how much she was loved. She was a very lucky kitty to have had someone to love and care for her as much as you did. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:29 pm Subject: Re: How is Samantha today? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Samantha has passed over, and she was ready to go. Julia Hagstrom On Thursday, June 29, 2006, at 06:14 PM, Marylyn wrote: Spend tonight loving her and cuddling her in your heart. You can send her all sorts of love without moving her or causing her pain. Just be with her and tell her it is alright to leave this world. That you are going to be ok. She may well decide to leave tonight on her own but she needs to know that is ok with you and .well, she is very concerned about you and your welfare. She needs permission to leave this body and needs to know that you know she will remain around in spirit. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Julia Hagstrom To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: How is Samantha today? Thanks for your good wishes; she told me last night that she is ready to go. She is in a lot of pain, with her big eyes looking up at me, as if to say, Please, help me! I decided this morning that tomorrow is the time to let her go. I'll take her to my vet, and it will be swift and painless. She'll be free to breathe again, without working so hard at it, and will never have pain again. :( I'll be crying, but I know it's the best thing for her; I've already made the arrangements, and she'll be well taken care of. Thank you all for your support, and I will stay on the Email list, because I'm going to get another kitty right away, so as not to be alone, and reading y'all's Emails has given me an education, so I'll still need that, until I make sure my new kitty is safe from this terrible disease. Thanks! Julia On Thursday, June 29, 2006, at 06:43 AM, Marylyn wrote: She will tell you when it is time. Listen to her with your heart then do all you can to help her on her journey. That may be to do nothing or to help her leave---both are so hard. But listen to your loving cat. She is so grateful to you for all your love. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Julia Hagstrom To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Re: How is Samantha today? Thanks, I'll talk to the vet about it; she's in such bad shape, she doesn't move unless she has to. I think her time is coming, pretty soon, as she is suffering, now, and I won't let her do that very long. I'll set her free, before I'll let her suffer much. Thanks for all the support. Julia On Wednesday, June 28, 2006, at 08:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia, I really think that a dexamethasone/depomedrol shot would make her feel much better. It can make them feel good until they are ready to go. I have seen it happen with lymphoma multiple times, as has at least one other person on this list. Michelle In a message dated 6/28/2006 3:13:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Wendy, Well, she's barely eating anything, in fact, she'd rather drink the Lactaid milk I give her than eat. I tried putting food in her mouth, but she doesn't want it. She's having a terrible time breathing, and can hardly stand to be held, as it makes her very uncomfortable. The vet said she thinks the tumor is taking up more space, even with the Prednisone, and that's why she's having so much trouble breathing; they hardly got any fluid out of her, the last time they drained it out. I think she will be gone soon. :( :( :( Julia image.tiff No virus found in
Re: How is Samantha today?
Julia, God bless you and Samantha. I wish I had known more about this disease at the time of Sasha's passing so I could have saved him from more suffering. I know Samantha loves you very much. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:21 pm Subject: Re: How is Samantha today? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Thanks for your good wishes; she told me last night that she is ready to go. She is in a lot of pain, with her big eyes looking up at me, as if to say, Please, help me! I decided this morning that tomorrow is the time to let her go. I'll take her to my vet, and it will be swift and painless. She'll be free to breathe again, without working so hard at it, and will never have pain again. :( I'll be crying, but I know it's the best thing for her; I've already made the arrangements, and she'll be well taken care of. Thank you all for your support, and I will stay on the Email list, because I'm going to get another kitty right away, so as not to be alone, and reading y'all's Emails has given me an education, so I'll still need that, until I make sure my new kitty is safe from this terrible disease. Thanks! Julia On Thursday, June 29, 2006, at 06:43 AM, Marylyn wrote: She will tell you when it is time. Listen to her with your heart then do all you can to help her on her journey. That may be to do nothing or to help her leave---both are so hard. But listen to your loving cat. She is so grateful to you for all your love. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Julia Hagstrom To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Re: How is Samantha today? Thanks, I'll talk to the vet about it; she's in such bad shape, she doesn't move unless she has to. I think her time is coming, pretty soon, as she is suffering, now, and I won't let her do that very long. I'll set her free, before I'll let her suffer much. Thanks for all the support. Julia On Wednesday, June 28, 2006, at 08:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia, I really think that a dexamethasone/depomedrol shot would make her feel much better. It can make them feel good until they are ready to go. I have seen it happen with lymphoma multiple times, as has at least one other person on this list. Michelle In a message dated 6/28/2006 3:13:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Wendy, Well, she's barely eating anything, in fact, she'd rather drink the Lactaid milk I give her than eat. I tried putting food in her mouth, but she doesn't want it. She's having a terrible time breathing, and can hardly stand to be held, as it makes her very uncomfortable. The vet said she thinks the tumor is taking up more space, even with the Prednisone, and that's why she's having so much trouble breathing; they hardly got any fluid out of her, the last time they drained it out. I think she will be gone soon. :( :( :( Julia image.tiff No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006
Re: Question.
Dear Rebecca, I'm so sorry for your loss. I think the vaccine is just 85 per cent effective. Your kitten was lucky to have someone to love him dearly in his short life. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:10 pm Subject: Question. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I just put my 11 month old kitten to sleep yesterday because he was infected. He had a(red or white) blood count 07 seven. I am not sure which color the vet told me. But, I had him vaccinated twice for this. How can they contract this if they have been vaccinated AGAINST it? I do not understand!! Thanks, Rebecca Ryan
Re: RE: need prayers for my Bella's babies
I think getting them to a vet is a good idea. Mine were born with sonme digestive problems and had to take metronizidole for it as did their mom. Newborns or the very young shouldn't be losing weight. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:17 pm Subject: RE: need prayers for my Bella's babies To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I am sending my prayers for Bella and her babies Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I would like to ask for prayers and healing energy for my Bella?s babies.. there are a little over 9 weeks old now, and I noticed that they are pretty skinny.. I can feel spin and ribs on most of them.. and especially two babies, Waku and Waka are very very skinny and I am very worried about them? they all still nurse with Bella,, and they do eat weaned food.. but not enough.. and I just don?t know what?s wrong.. I just know that they are way to skinny.. do you have any idea what?s going on? I started to syringe feed them recently, too. I haven?t done stool testing or anything like that yet and I am thinking of brining them to a vet this week? Waka is also not too active.. though she does not act ill so much or anything.. please pray for them that they are going to be okay ? Hideyo - Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get Yahoo! Messenger with Voice
Re: fleas, Frontline and FeLV
I've had great success with a flea comb and dippping it in a container of hot soapy water. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 3:25 pm Subject: Re: fleas, Frontline and FeLV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Program, a pill that is a flea birth control hormone, seems to work well, and I feel like it is safer than the chemical topical applications (not sure if that is true or not). I don't use it with mine, but I don't use anything for fleas at this point. If they get them, I would use that before a topical. Michelle In a message dated 6/2/2006 3:49:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As long there is a dog in the home and it goes outside there will be fleas around. If it isn't treated for fleas the fleas are going to jump on the kitty. Then you know for obvious reasons. Us humans can carry fleas into our homes as well. Especially when around a lot of sand and dirt.
Re: Bailey has gone home
Belinda, For all the love and attention you gave him, Bailey knew he was well beloved. Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, May 6, 2006 11:54 pm Subject: Bailey has gone home To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Bailey left us at 6:20 this evening. He took a bad turn for the worse late last night and when I took him in this morning for his surgery it was evident he wasn't in good enough shape. We gave him fluids for a couple hours because he was dehydrated, his blood pressure was 60 and his temperature went from 103 yesterday to 98 today, his blood work was normal except his platelet count was low so he wasn't clotting and suregery was out of the question unless we could get his platelet count up. After two hours of fluids and a blood transfusion his platelets came up but his temperature was now 94, 96 puts kitties at risk for heart failure and she couldn't even get a blood pressure. My vet said we have 3 options, we could continue the fluids and support and see if things changed and if they did he could have the surgery tomorrow. Go ahead with the surgery and get in and out as quickly as possible or she could euthanise him. I asked her what she honestly thought of his condition, she said she though he was leaving on his own, I agreed. We talked, I asked her what to expect if he was going to die and she told me what the likely scenarios would be, she gave me a syringe of pain meds incase it got really bad for him, it would basically knock him out so he wouldn't suffer and pass on his own, she had a dinner engagement but told me to call if she was needed. I had told Bailey it was his decision to stay or go, and told him to do what was best for him. I brought him home on the fluids to keep supporting him and if he did turn for the better we would consider the surgery later. His breathing got worse just taking him to the car so I knew in my heart we didn't have long. We had about an hour, he was home with us and we were with him when he left. He is whole now and FeLV free for the first time. We were so lucky to have him for 11 years, his birthday was Monday. I will miss his bouncy, happy personality. He was so special and I learned so much thanks to him. He was our only positive and the one that was responsible for my learning everything I have about FeLV+, he has helped me save many positives and for that I thank him. I miss my little Baidely boys so much already ... take care all. Give your special guys and extra special hug for Bailey. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: mixing
Yep, here comes my opinion- I had a kitten that was a false negative. When his virus activated after a dental, when he had anesthesia, he infected three of mine - none of whom had been vaccinated. Two died and one reverted to negative within a month. This was my first experience with FELV - I had no idea that my little one was now positive and shedding the virus - I just know that almost suddenly he was slowing down and becoming ill. Bonnie in WI http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:25 pm Subject: Re: mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org You'll get a mixed reply on that one. I have mixed, and will again - don't because I have foster kitties that belong to the rescue group. It's kind of a hot potato. Some vets euthanize the pos. Our rescue vet says he doesn't think it's that contagious (and I agree, I don't think it's that contagious). Lots of vets in between. And... some folks say vaccinate the negs, some don't. Gloria At 03:19 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: So is eveyone here saying it is ok to mix my pos and my neg? Sincerely Carrie
Easter Lilies toxic to cats!
Easter Lilies Holly Nash, DVM, MS Veterinary Services Department, Drs. Foster Smith, Inc. Easter lilies, and other lilies can be toxic to cats, causing kidney failure and death. All parts of the lily can be toxic, and eating just one leaf can result in severe poisoning. After eating a portion of an Easter lily, a cat will generally vomit and become depressed within 2 hours. The vomiting may subside, but the cat will not eat and continue to become more depressed. Contact your veterinarian immediately if you know or suspect your cat has eaten any part of an Easter lily. Treatment includes causing the cat to vomit by giving an emetic, administering activated charcoal and a cathartic (stimulates bowel movements), and giving subcutaenous or intravenous fluids. A cat must be treated within 18 hours of ingesting the plant, or the damage to the kidneys will be irreversible. Other lilies which belong to this same plant species and are also toxic include tiger lilies, rubrum or Japanese showy lilies, and various day lilies. Many other bulb plants are also poisonous such as daffodils and hyacinths. http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/
Re: FeLV+ cat and FeLV- kitten in the same house
Lance, As long as you are sure Ember's virus hasn't activated, the kitten will probably be safe. But you know how a kitten can scamper into an area where he or she shouldn't be. Some others on this list will say not to worry, but I joined years ago when my orange boy (false negative) Henry Lee's virus activated as a result of a dental and two other kitties caught the virus from him and died. Bonnie in WI http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, April 7, 2006 6:01 pm Subject: FeLV+ cat and FeLV- kitten in the same house To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hello all, My mother is considering adopting a kitten that needs a home. To the best of my knowledge, the kitten is FeLV negative. It's only six weeks or so old. Right now, my FeLV+ cat, Ember, is living in my room, and is kept away from the others. She's had a few jailbreaks, but I can be much more careful with her than I have been. The other cats in the house tested negative with ELISA a few weeks ago (see the Ember thread for the whole story). Anyway, I know generally what vets and others think of having a negative in a positive's house. I'm isolating Ember. However, the kitten will not have had her shots, and probably won't be ready for her first FeLV vax for another month. Even with Ember being isolated, and the kitten having no direct or indirect exposure (i.e. no one shares food, food bowls, boxes, water), do we run any risk of having the kitten come up positive just by living in the same house as my girl? Thanks, Lance
Re: Pookie
Kerry, He even did this while you were on the premises waiting!! I would seek legal advice - he might do this to others!!! God bless you and your dear Pookie. Bonnie http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2006 9:46 am Subject: Pookie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I am so shocked to hear this Kerry. I would probably have agreed to euthanase in that situation by choice to help my kittie to stop suffering if they were not breathing properly due to tumors and lung fluid at age 16 but I can't imagine that choice being taken away from me. I would be the one helping them in their time of need and certainly there to help comfort them as they pass to the bridge. It actually sickens me to think a vet considered he had the right to euthanase without discussing this with you and giving you the option of being with Pookie at this crucial time. I would certainly complain about the vet as Pookie was your baby even though he only had you 5 months he obviously loved you and trusted you. I hope you find justice and I'm sure Pookie knew you loved him. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
OT: save the kitties
Lots of beautiful kitties here. Some will die tomorrow. Please forward: http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/
Re: Pics of Maizee Grace
Great pictures! eschew anthropocentrism - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:51 am Subject: Pics of Maizee Grace To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi all I just made this so I could show off my beautiful girl,i cried a bit but I would love for everyone to see what a beauty she was. http://photos.yahoo.com/sherrydj88 - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min.
Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?
Jen, You're a person after my own heart. If the human species were judged on how they treated the environment - not to mention other humans, we wouldn't rank so high in the scheme of things. I fell and broke my collarbone a couple of years ago. They gave me a pain-killer which I immediately looked up. I found that it had been tested at the University of Michigan by hurting cats. I wouldn't use it - even though the pain was excruciating when during the night I would roll over on that shoulder in my sleep. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I guess one of my problems with animal reasearch (aside from the obvious) has to do with the under-lying assumption that humans are somehow superior just because we can add 2 and 2 and, therefore, a few petty conveniences or a couple of years on our lives is worth the inconvenience, torture, or even deaths of a few measly animals. Need I point out that if we don't learn PDQ how to live in harmony withour surroundings (as animals have been literally dying to show us for some time now), all the 2 + 2s in the world aren't going to save our collective butts! Perhaps if we were held responsible for every singlepiece of trash that left our homes instead of forgetting all about it once it left our curbs, we'd think twice about our indulgent, disposablelifestyles...but I digress... :) Bottom line, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if the subjectsin question were orphaned *children* being sold to research facilities. But these are just animals, right? Animals that are going to die anyway, right? When one needs to rationalize the action, that should be a huge red-flag that perhaps the action just isn't right...many German citizens turned their backs on their own Jewish neighbors because, hey,What can I do about it? Thank God for the few who stood up and said, This isn't right. But, then again, we're talking about *people* right? Animals, living, breathing beings, forfeit their right to be the masters of their own destiny because they can't add 2 and 2. A so-called necessary evil is still, by definition, evil. Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:17 pm Subject: Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org The fact of the matter is they will get animals some where any way... Now, most of them come from back yard breeders that breed animals for just that market Perhaps if more shelters sold to research the animals that they are going to PTS that would put some of the back yard breeders out of business If the business arraignment is to sell animals that have a chance for adoption than I too have a problem with that but if these are animals among the 6 million per year that are out of time and going to be PTS and the money is spent at the shelter so that they can do more good work than what is wrong with that ??? And again, most research is done so the manufactures can back up their claim the their product is the best...NOT that their product causes the most suffering... They want the results to be a happy ending... Not all tests are successful but for the most part they aren't going to waste their time and money on a test that they aren't pretty sure will work... Even if its testing for a cure for a disease and they infect they animaland then try to cure it or put to sleep and examine you are still talking about animals that were going to be PTS earlier anyway... Tad TenHouseCats wrote: i do NOT admit to be totally up-to-date on this i have to agree that not ALL research is inherently bad. however, in this case, there's a BUSINESS arrangement between the shelter and one Class B Dealer--as far as i know, the shelter couldn't care less where the animals end up, they just sell them to the dealer there have all been any number of hearings, public demonstrations, etc through the years--the MI county that i am in was embarrassed out of selling their animals to a similar dealer a few years back. i can most probably get updates on where the fight stands now, and
Re: Ember
Lance, Ember is really beautiful She looks like she has a dark brown undercoat. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:55 pm Subject: Re: Ember To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sherry, Thank you for sharing, though it's a sad story. I hope you are doing better today. Thank you, also, for your prayers and thoughts for Ember and I. Lance -- Pictures of Ember: http://homepage.mac.com/linimon
Re: Need help and prayers for my sister's lost cat
Nina, I am praying for the little one. Often kitties may be hiding only a short distance from their home. Does your sister have anything to ward off coyotes - lights maybe? Could they borrow a dog to watch for coyotes, if it wouldn't scare Tux away. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 25, 2006 0:34 am Subject: Need help and prayers for my sister's lost cat To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, My sister's (Connie), inside-only tuxedo cat went missing sometime last night. His name is Tux and he's short haired, and about 2yrs, with the sweetest little kitten face. They think he may have snuck out when a visitor left the screen door ajar, (the visitor left around 9pm). They didn't miss him until this morning because my nephew thought he was sleeping with my sister and my sister thought he was with my nephew. They are sick with worry. Not only has he never been outside before, but he's very skittish and they live in coyote territory. Being out at night is a death sentence for any small pets in their neighborhood. To make matters worse, he has short little legs and he can't even jump on a counter, let alone scale a wall. I've set a trap in her front yard and they've confined their other cat to the bedroom so they can leave the front door open. She's already put up fliers and tomorrow we'll be canvassing the neighborhood door to door with his picture and info. Please, please, please take a moment to send out positive thoughts to help him find his way home safely. This is doubly hard on Connie because her 17 year old dog just crossed about a month ago. I called several professional ACs today, but no one has called me back yet. If anyone on the AC group can help contact him we'd be so appreciative. I can only imagine how scared he is and how disoriented. I've posted a couple of pictures under Come home Tux, (I hope I did it right!). Thank you so much, Nina
Re: Ginger is gone
Michelle, Ginger was the luckiest of cats to be chosen and taken home by you. She owed the years that she might not have had - and the happy times playing with Simon all to you. You were a blessing to her and you are an excellent kitty mom. God bless you! Bonnie www.wortfm.org www.democracynow.org www.allanimals.org - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:14 am Subject: Ginger is gone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: Rudy - Gone
Sheila, Rudy came to the right place when she found you! It is remarkable that you had a positive kitty for 13 years - you did well by her. Rudy was very lucky to have found such a great kitty mom. She still loves you. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:26 pm Subject: Rudy - Gone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org My baby Rudy passed today at 4: PM. My husband and I stayed with her all day she slept between us, so I know she was where she wanted to be. She passed so peacefully looking in my eyes. I have lost a lot of kitties in my life but never one to go so quickly and easily. A few short breaths, no cries and she was gone. Rudy came into my home 13 years ago and she has been the boss ever since. I was at my front door one cold night calling my other kitties home and this pretty little girl that I had never seen before ran in my door straight to my wash room jumped on my hot water heater and stayed there for 3 days. I loved her from the first minute I saw her. I knew she was special and meant just for me. No sharing this one with my hubby. My other kitties were jealous but soon learned she was here to stay. Rudy was what I called my bold protector. She was not afraid of any cat or dog. If she heard me scolding another cat she would run in and slap the kitty. My 3 large dogs were also afraid of her. If one would come running at me to fast she would jump in front of me to protect me and quickly turn them around. She could be in another room and if I stubbed my toe and cried out she would come flying in to see if someone was messing with her Mama. She was diagnosed with felv when she was spayed. I guess she was less than one year old. She was always healthy except she lost all her teeth but one early on so her tongue was always falling out her mouth. She was hard to please with food would only eat fancy feast and not much of that. Would beg for milk and throw it right up if I gave in and gave it to her. I still have know good answers as to why kidney failure. The Vet says it happens in older cats. She was not anemic, but she was running a low temp. I saw know signs of sickness till Sunday morning when she started to stumble when she stood up. Sorry to go on so long but I needed to say how much I'll miss her sleeping in my arms, loving me completely and unselfishly. Sheila
Re: RE: Hypertension and Julie, our geriatric kitty
I've heard that long term use of tapazole can cause anemia. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2006 2:57 pm Subject: RE: Hypertension and Julie, our geriatric kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I think hyperthyroidism is very common in older cats. They go on tapazolejust like humans and biggest problem is the once or twice a day pill! Had one cat who lived to early twenties after years of tapazole...There were no restrictions on diet or anything. She had lost some weight and was doingthe midnight howling thing went I brought her in and she snapped right back after starting tapazole. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Hypertension and Julie, our geriatric kitty Hi guys, I took Julie to the vet this past Friday because she was having pain going to the bathroom the Sunday before and had a little blood around her genitals. I couldn't get her to the vet until Friday so I gave her Baytril I had left over from Cricket starting on Sunday, which wiped out whatever bacterial infection she might have had, and all her renal functions seemed to be back to normal by Friday. But I took her in anyway just to be sure, and they ran a urinalysis and total blood/labwork on her. Saturday the vet called me and said her results showed hypertension (she got a 17 on her T4 results, normal is between .4 and 5.2) and he prescribed 10 mg of Tapazole/Methimazole daily. I have to bring her in in two weeks for further blood work to see how the drugs are helping her thyroid. Does anyone here have any experience with hyperthyroidism in their kitty, and what did you do about it? What does T4 measure? Did your kitty pass away from the hyperthyroidism? Did the drugs reverse the heart murmur? What diet would be good for a kitty with hyperthyroidism? Any advice is greatly appreciated! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Chris-howling
I think that may be something that older kitties do. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2006 3:04 pm Subject: Chris-howling To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Is the howling a symptom of hyperthyroidism? Is so, that makes sense, as Julie has been doing that for a couple of years. --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think hyperthyroidism is very common in older cats. They go on tapazole just like humans and biggest problem is the once or twice a day pill! Had one cat who lived to early twenties after years of tapazole...There were no restrictions on diet or anything. She had lost some weight and was doing the midnight howling thing went I brought her in and she snapped right back after starting tapazole. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Hypertension and Julie, our geriatric kitty Hi guys, I took Julie to the vet this past Friday because she was having pain going to the bathroom the Sunday before and had a little blood around her genitals. I couldn't get her to the vet until Friday so I gave her Baytril I had left over from Cricket starting on Sunday, which wiped out whatever bacterial infection she might have had, and all her renal functions seemed to be back to normal by Friday. But I took her in anyway just to be sure, and they ran a urinalysis and total blood/labwork on her. Saturday the vet called me and said her results showed hypertension (she got a 17 on her T4 results, normal is between .4 and 5.2) and he prescribed 10 mg of Tapazole/Methimazole daily. I have to bring her in in two weeks for further blood work to see how the drugs are helping her thyroid. Does anyone here have any experience with hyperthyroidism in their kitty, and what did you do about it? What does T4 measure? Did your kitty pass away from the hyperthyroidism? Did the drugs reverse the heart murmur? What diet would be good for a kitty with hyperthyroidism? Any advice is greatly appreciated! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Have epogen for Fu - what to do next?
Tonya, I don't think I'm on that one yet. The Epogen seems to have perked Fu up a little bit - I'm just hoping now that he'll make it through the next few days. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 8, 2006 4:31 am Subject: Re: Have epogen for Fu - what to do next? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Bonnie, Did you get on the hyper-t yahoo group yet? They are very knowledgeable with hyper-t, tapazole, and the effects of both on the kidneys, anemia, etc. They might have some ideas for you. Thinking of you and Fu. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, Belinda. Yes, fluids do thin the blood and worsen the effects of anemia. They are still necessary sometimes, though, if they are not drinking, though if he has no kidney or liver problems and you are syringing food he probab-ly can do without fluids for a few days, I would think. Have you asked your vet about giving a dex shot? They really do make them feel better, often even if they are really really sick. The only time I have seen a dex shot not make them feel better is on the last day of life, when nothing helps. It is sort of a miracle drug, and the vet who taught me about it told me that most terminally ill humans are put on dex shots when they get into discomfort. I am not saying this because I think Bailey is dying or anything, just to explain how good dex is at making them feel better physically and psychologically. It also helps with anemia sometimes, depending on the cause. Here's hoping Bailey feels better really soon, Michelle In a message dated 1/7/2006 10:07:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't noticed any change, he stills sleeps ALL day, won't eat a bite and looks at me with that why are you doing this to me look. I'm wondering now if I shouldn't have stopped his fluids because I read somewhere that fluids also thin the blood out? I didn't give him fluids yesterday because he seems to be getting weaker and weaker even though he is getting fed, and he is getting plenty of fluids from the food I give him. I suppose it could be the anemia getting worse ... Time to weight him and have breakfast.
Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
Michelle, Thanks for the suggestion, but Fu is already on Prednisone to keep his cancer in remission. I will ask the vet about the dex though. My Nina takes it in pill form for her IBD and asthma. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 6, 2006 10:16 am Subject: Re: cost of epogen/transfusion? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Bonnie, Ask your vet about giving him a dexamethasone shot. It really makes them feel better, even when they are really sick. And sometimes helps with anemia. It may be contraindicated because of his kidney and thyroid problems, though, I don't know. Michelle In a message dated 1/5/2006 10:42:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fu is pretty wiped out, Michelle. He can barely move, but I think the folic acid has helped a little. When he looks like he had to go to thelittle box, I carry him there and support him while goes - or tries to go. I'm hand-feeding him a/d with Fancy Feast beef liver mixed in. I've got some beef liver on hand that I'll cook up for him later. Bonnie
Re: Fu's red cell blood count
Michelle, Fu's been off the tapazole for about two days now, at the vet's suggestion. Thanks for thinking of him. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 6, 2006 8:59 pm Subject: Re: Fu's red cell blood count To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I have been thinking a lot about Fu, and I read the info on the site, emailed by someone else, saying that Tapazol can cause anemia and kidney damage. I am thinking there is a good chance that this is what has happened to Fu. I am wondering if it would make sense to decrease or stop the Tapazol, since the info said that such side effects stop after the drug is stopped. Our cat Percy was hyperthyroid for several years before she died at a month short of 20, and did not get any treatment for it because she also had slight kidney problems and the vet said the two would keep each other in check. She was horribly thin and ate a tremendous amount for her size, but lived quite happily like that for most of her elderly years. We finally started her on Tapazol when she was so think we could not believe she could live that way, and she died two days after starting it, and we always wondered if the meds did it. Anyway, what I am trying to say, is that the effects of hyperthyroidism may be less fatal, or fatal in a slower way, than the anemia if that is coming from the Tapazol, so it might be worth trying him off it. Michelle
Have epogen for Fu - what to do next?
I picked up a vial of Epogen for Fu tonight. The vet explained how to give it to him over the phone and the pharmacist was also very nice and spent some time showing me how to go about it. My question is...is it possible for there to be an immediate bad reaction? If so, I'll wait until morning when I can rush him to the vet. The pharmacist said I could call her tonight for another half hour (until 10pm CST) or she'll be available all weekend. I'm a little fearful and am thinking I might wait for tomorrow morning, but my little old fellow is so weak. So now I'll go walk Jasmine, our Katrina orphan and check for replies when we get back. Bonnie Thanks for your kind thoughts of my 19 year-old with many ailments, Bonnie and the Foozer
Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
Michelle, Thanks for the info. I was basically wondering if a transfusion would help Fu. The vet is leaning toward thinking that his cancer, although in remission could be causing the anemia. Fu did start to come out of remission earlier last year, but we doubled the dose of pred and that put him into remission. The vet referred to this as anemia caused by chronic disease. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 8:07 pm Subject: Re: cost of epogen/transfusion? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org If you are wondering about cost for a blood transfusion (I answered only about Epogen before), Simon's were each about $400, I think, when given to him as an outpatient. Each transfusion took a few hours. I think I remember others saying this was the cost they paid as well, except for someone in NY who had trouble finding one for under $1,000, which seemed very odd to the rest of us. Michelle
Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
Fu is pretty wiped out, Michelle. He can barely move, but I think the folic acid has helped a little. When he looks like he had to go to the little box, I carry him there and support him while goes - or tries to go. I'm hand-feeding him a/d with Fancy Feast beef liver mixed in. I've got some beef liver on hand that I'll cook up for him later. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 5:45 pm Subject: Re: cost of epogen/transfusion? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org In my experience vets would not transfuse until the hematocrit was down to 13. But a transfusion could help. Epogen normally takes a few weeks to kick in, I think, so you might need to do a transfusion to keep him strong until then. Epogen is definitely expensive. If his cancer is in remission, it does not make sense to me that the anemia is from the cancer. If it is from the cancer, it means the cancer is in his bone marrow and not in remission. How is Fu feeling? Michelle In a message dated 1/5/2006 6:19:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much does Epogen cost? My vet called one pharmacy; they told him they have to order it in units of ten, which would come to $350. I wonder if Fu could use a blood transfusion. His rbc is 15. The vet thinks the anemia is probably due to his GI tract cancer, although thatis pretty much in remission at present. Fu also takes methimazole for a hyperthyroid condition, And I've heard tat long term use of that couldcause anemia. Thanks, Bonnie and her 19 year-old Foozer
Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
That's what I thought too; I'll ask the vet to clarify. If his cancer is in remission, it does not make sense to me that the anemia is from the cancer. If it is from the cancer, it means the cancer is in his bone marrow and not in remission. How is Fu feeling? Michelle In a message dated 1/5/2006 6:19:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much does Epogen cost? My vet called one pharmacy; they told him they have to order it in units of ten, which would come to $350. I wonder if Fu could use a blood transfusion. His rbc is 15. The vet thinks the anemia is probably due to his GI tract cancer, although thatis pretty much in remission at present. Fu also takes methimazole for a hyperthyroid condition, And I've heard tat long term use of that couldcause anemia. Thanks, Bonnie and her 19 year-old Foozer
Fu's severe anemia and folic acid
I bought some folic acid for Fu; I called the the vet who said just give a little bit. I didn't think to ask how much is a little bit - how much should I give him. I'm thinking of putting it in his a/d which I am syringe feeding him. The vet has also called the vet school about epogen. They asked that Fu's records be faxed to them. So I'll know more later. Thanks everyone, Bonnie and the Foozer www.elephants.com
Re: Fu's red cell blood count
Fu's been on it for 3 1/2 years. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Fu's red cell blood count To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Bonnie~ The anemia may be a result of the methimazole. (Check out _www.vetinfo.com/cthyroidtreat.html_ (http://www.vetinfo.com/cthyroidtreat.html) ). How long has Fu been on the methimazole? I agree, 19 is a risky age for the surgery. Another side effect from methimazole use is damage to the kidneys... It's so hard when our babies get on in years. Your damned if you do, and damned if you don't. My Felix, who suffered IBD was diagnosed with CRF at 17. After fighting with him with meds and special prescription diet, I decided to just give him subq fluids and homeopathic supplements, and let him eat what ever he wanted Dear boy, lived another 2 and 1/2 years. Best wishes for Fu and you. Patti
anemia
I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said his red cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroid related/probably kidney disease. The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or petinnic. I have given him some chicken liver. I am worried about him making it a few more daays. Bonnie
Re: anemia
The vet talked about reactions relative to Fu's case, not Petinnic in general. He is a young vet and people tell me that he graduated at the top of his class at Wisconsin, and I have been impressed by him. He is nothing if not thorough. And, of course, Tuesdays are his day off.. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 10:08 am Subject: Re: anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hmmm - I'm wondering why PetTinic would be a problem.. Gloria On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said his red cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroid related/probably kidney disease. The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or petinnic. I have given him some chicken liver. I am worried about him making it a few more daays. Bonnie
Re: anemia
Michelle, I don't know what his rbc or hematocrit is; the vet told me but I don't remember other than that it is extremely low. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 10:04 am Subject: Re: anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I do not understand why pred would make anemia worse-- they often give steroids to make anemia better. The only thing I can think of with anemia that steroids would make worse is if it is caused by a bacteria like hemobartanella. I would guess, with Fu's kidney failure, that the anemia is more likely related to him not producing enough of the kidney hormone that tells the bone marrow to produce red blood cells, and that is exactly what Epogen is for. Reactions to Epogen tend to happen after months, I think. I would get a second opinion on trying Epogen, from someone like an internist. The other possibility is that the intestinal cancer has moved into the bone marrow. But that would probably call for more, rather than less, steroids. I would take Fu to an internist, I think. What is his rbc or hematocrit? Michelle In a message dated 1/3/2006 10:42:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said his red cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroidrelated/probably kidney disease. The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or petinnic. I have given him some chicken liver. I am worried about him making it a few more daays. Bonnie
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Re: anemia
Nina, That was such a sweet post. I talked to another vet at the clinic; she is going to call a specialist at the vet school about Epogen. She said at the clinic where she used to work, there were almost always bad reactions to Epogen, which is why they are so cautious about it. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 12:56 pm Subject: Re: anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Bonnie, I'm so sorry to hear Fu is not doing well. I've fallen for your sweet Fu through your posts about him and I'm praying that he once again makes a miraculous come back. If I were you, given how serious his condition is, I am worried about him making it a few more days , I might try the Epogen, maybe even IR. It's always such a heart wrenching decision making process when they're so fragile. I know you'll make the right choices, whatever you decide. Follow your instincts, you've done such a phenomenal job in caring for darling Fu, he knows how much you love him and that you do everything possible to help him stay healthy. Please keep posting about how he's doing, if you're able. Much love to you and Fu, Nina BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said his red cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroidrelated/probably kidney disease. The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or petinnic. I have given him some chicken liver. I am worried about him making it a few more daays. Bonnie
Fu's red cell blood count
Michelle and all - the vet just said Fu's red cell blood count is 15. I know that's pretty low. I wonder if the methimazole he's taking for hyperthyroidism is causing the anemia? I think at a very frail 19 years, he's certainly too old for surgical thyroid removal. Bonnie
Re: Fu's red cell blood count
Could you please send me Kerry's post? Thanks very much, Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 7:22 pm Subject: Re: Fu's red cell blood count To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 15 is low, but not deathly low. It depends on how fast it is dropping. Kerry's Bandy was down to 17, I think, and is back up to 32 through a combination of folic acid and some other supplements, and I think he was on Epogen for a while. Did you save the post with all her recommendations? I have it and can send it to you if you didn't. I know little about thyroid and nothing about methimazole. Michelle In a message dated 1/3/2006 7:35:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle and all - the vet just said Fu's red cell blood count is 15. I know that's pretty low. I wonder if the methimazole he's taking for hyperthyroidism is causing the anemia? I think at a very frail 19 years,he's certainly too old for surgical thyroid removal. Bonnie
Re: Tonya- depression-bridge list addition
Sheila and all, Keep on writing those letters - to the newspapers too. Bonnie Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead, anthropologist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:59 am Subject: Re: Tonya- depression-bridge list addition To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Tonya,I feel exactly the same way. Ever since seeing Larry King my depression has been overwhelming. Maybe I have been wearing blinders but I knew absolutely nothing about this situation and I wish I still knew nothing about it. I know that makes me a coward but I can't help it. I can't even watch the animal shows where the lions run the poor helpless prey down and kill them for food. I can't get the look of fear on the poor babies faces out of my mind. The cruelty in this world is unbelievable. I still can't sleep for the depression. If I could wake up and it would be spring, maybe that would help. All I can do now is write letters, sign petitions and try to get my friends to do the same. Sheila in SC trying to cope. God bless you for your kindness.
some email addresses for Chinese cat/dog fur
PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Subj: LETTER - China's Dog/Cat Fur Markets Date: 12/10/2005 8:35:57 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) - Original Message - From: Kinship Circle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 2 Kinship Circle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 8:24 PM Subject: LETTER - China's Dog/Cat Fur Markets 12/10/05--China's Dog/Cat Fur Markets KINSHIP CIRCLE LETTER CAMPAIGN http://www.kinshipcircle.org SOURCE OF INFORMATION http://www.furkills.org/dog_fur_horror.shtml http://justnicephotos.homestead.com/DogAndCatCruelFurTrade.html http://www.animalsasia.org/ DOG CAT FUR PETITION: http://www.heathermillsmccartney.com/petition.php CHINESE DOG/CAT FUR VIDEO: http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=jcruel_china_dog *Overseas postage from anywhere in the U.S. is 80 cents. == SAMPLE LETTER Full contact information follows letter == *All email addresses come directly from Chinese government websites. We have researched this for a week. If a particular email bounces, there is nothing more we can do. [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Honorable Officials of China: I urge you to make enforceable animal protection laws a priority before the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. Please do not let China's notoriously inhumane bear bile farms and live animal markets tarnish your image during the Games. In particular, I implore you to immediately enact laws to ban China's dog/cat fur trade. Like many potential tourists, I cannot support a country that condones animal abuse. Neither revenue nor tradition justifies the profoundly cruel Chinese dog and cat fur trade. UNACCEPTABLE: Up to 8,000 caged dogs and cats are stacked into a single truck for cross-country transport without food or water. At an animal market in Southern China, investigators documented 20 cats smashed inside one wire cage and dead cats draped over cages. I've seen the video footage with my own eyes: Live dogs and cats flattened inside cages the size of filing drawers are tossed from truck beds on to hard pavement. Animals scream as their paws are crushed. Workers pull them out with long metal tongs and fling them over a 7 ft. fence. Some of these cats and dogs still wear collars and ID tags, indicating they are stolen companion animals. UNCONSCIONABLE: Chinese fur markets violently bludgeon, hang, electrocute and strangle fur-bearing animals, including millions of cats and dogs. Cats are choked in their cages alongside live cats. Dogs are hung from wire nooses and slashed across the groin. At fur farms in Hebei Province, investigators videotaped workers carving off skin and fur from alert dogs, foxes and other animals. Some fully skinned animals continued to blink and breathe spasmodically as their hearts beat for another five to 10 minutes. DECEITFUL: Dog/cat items are deceptively labeled Gae-wolf, Sobaki, Asian Jackal, Wildcat, Goyangi, Katzenfelle, or other names before exported abroad. Unsuspecting shoppers purchase unmarked, dyed or vaguely labeled boots, coats, linings, toys and homeopathic remedies. I will not visit a country that brutalizes animals to decorate a sweater, line a coat or become a trinket. This is the ultimate betrayal of creatures who are instinctively trustworthy and devoted companions to people. I stand firm in my boycott of Chinese tourism, commerce and the 2008 Olympic Games--unless China makes visible strides to end the vicious treatment of dogs, cats, bears and other non-human beings. Thank you for accepting my comments on this matter of international concern. Sincerely, == FULL CONTACT INFORMATION == *All email addresses come directly from Chinese government websites. We have researched this for a week. If a particular email bounces, there is nothing more we can do. Mr. Hu Jintao, President, The People's Republic of China 9 Xihuang-Chenggen Beijie Beijing, China Chinese Government's Official Web Portal: http://www.gov.cn/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] China National Tourism Administration 9A Jianguomennei Ave., Beijing 100740, China ph: (0086-10) 65201114; fax: (0086-10) 65122096 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://www.cnta.com China National Tourist Office, New York (in the U.S.) 350 Fifth Avenue, Suite 6413 Empire State Building New York, NY 10118 ph: 001-212-7608218; fax: 001-212-7608809 CHINA NATIONAL TOURIST OFFICES IN OTHER COUNTRIES:
Re: I Need Prayers for Callie
I'm praying for her too - dilute calicos are such characters and so loving! Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:05 am Subject: I Need Prayers for Callie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Dam this disease... We rushed my beautiful little dilute calico from AW to the vet early this morning...I found her lying on the floor this morning, cold and almost lifeless and did a terrible sick sounding cry when I picked her up...I wrapped her in a jacket and got her warmed up and she came back to life a bit She apparently had diarrhea in the night and was very dehydrated... The vet gave her sub Q and will draw blood for testing if she gets any stronger...She seemed herself yesterday morning... She was the alfa cat in the room and was always with me when I was there and always the 1st to come for food ... Last night she slept in the cat tube instead of right beside or on me and didn't come for the last snack of the day as usual but I free feed dry food and didn't think that much of it until this morning when she wasn't climbing on me to wake up She recovered from being such a mess at AW to such a good kitty and I never thought this was going to happen so soon but now all I can do is hope she will bounce back... Tad
Re: OT - Eating disorder in cats??
My Nina stopped eating when she had pancreatitis. Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2005 1:10 pm Subject: Re: OT - Eating disorder in cats?? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org there are appetite-enhancing meds--periactin? i'm sure you've tried everything--but yogurt? i agree with the issue about not having things around that remind her of her trauma: i knew a sweet (but not too bright) maine coon who was bitten by ants at one point, and wouldn't go NEAR his food bowl for the longest time. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - Eating disorder in cats??
It's probably been suggested already, but when one of mine stops eating, I syringe feed (a/d usually)and that usually jump starts the impulse to eat on their own. bonnie in WI www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2005 1:19 pm Subject: Re: OT - Eating disorder in cats?? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm interesting site--found lots of hits by googling feline anorexia -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - Eating disorder in cats??
Fed her lots of A/D. She had developed fatty liver disease too from not eating, but we pulled her through. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2005 2:13 pm Subject: Re: OT - Eating disorder in cats?? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Did you do anything to get her to eat again or did she just start on her own? BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Nina stopped eating when she had pancreatitis. Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2005 1:10 pm Subject: Re: OT - Eating disorder in cats?? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org there are appetite-enhancing meds--periactin? i'm sure you've tried everything--but yogurt? i agree with the issue about not having things around that remind her of her trauma: i knew a sweet (but not too bright) maine coon who was bitten by ants at one point, and wouldn't go NEAR his food bowl for the longest time. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Callie...Its sad news
Tad, I am so sorry for what you and Callie have gone through. Her personality sounded so much like my dilute calico Nina. She was so lucky to have been loved so much, understood, and cared for by you and Marie. I believe she is still with you and loves you very much. tell her everyday how much you love her. bonnie in wi www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2005 8:27 pm Subject: Callie...Its sad news To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org She was so strong and well just yesterday morning that part of me wanted to believe that she would bounce back but when I found her this morning on the floor and she did a terrible cry when I picked her up I knew that something was terrible wrong with her... The blood test showed kidney function had stopped and the vet said that she had so little blood in her vains that he suspected internal bleeding probably in the liver... When I brought her to the vet this morning she could barely hold her head up for a short time and after being at the vets all day and having sub Q liquid all day which is probably what kept her alive she was even weeker...The vet felt she was probably in pain and didn't think anything would bring her back so we sent her on ahead to the Rainbow Bridge Callie was a feisty little calico...She was reported at AW to be hard to medicate and when she arrived here we learned that she would only let you touch her for a few seconds and then you better let her go... We learned where the limits were and soon she began to trust us and Marie did better with some of the other AW cats than I but Callie definitely chose meNow that I think of it she was never close to any of the other cats but she was always with me whenever I was around...She new when I was putting on clothes to go outside and meow and meow and she would be waiting at the door for me when I came back in... A few time that she did sneak out with me she let me catch her and if I would tell her NO as I when out she would sit there and wait Right now she would be sleeping on top of the monitor while I am on the computerShe was such a good friend to me and she had so much personality...She had some hard times during her life but she was happy and loved here at the end...I only wish she could have stayed longerI can't believe she is gone so soon I will miss her for a long time... That leaves 4 of the original 6 from AWOJ has never been a totally healthy kitty...He has had to stay on antibiotics for several bacterial types of infections and he has never played and raced around the way some of the others do but he has always been a big purr and snuggle bunAnd antibiotics is easy to keep them going...Both OJ and Fred who is my first FeLV+ kitty who gums seem to get infected when I take him off antibiotics...He only has a few teeth left now...I have had Fred well over 2 years...I have had several worries over Fred and OJ and they are both special buddies so I can't complain ... They are still hereI guess this is just the way it was meant to be Tad and Marie
Re: General Thanks and Questions
Presto, Your 24 yer-old is getting taurine through other means then - in those Hi-vite drops? Bonnie, who has a 19 year old, Fu, who still has the cutest kitten face. www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Presto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2005 9:22 pm Subject: General Thanks and Questions To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi People, I've been astonished and thoroughy warmed by observing your interactions since I joined the site today. You people are wonderful. I have several questions, and only one suggestion. But first, Tad, I'm so terribly sorry. Words can't help much at a time like this. We all wish we could help. Grief is largely an individual form of suffering that no one can alleviate adequately. We've been through it, too often, and we feel your pain. A dear friend of mine, the staff manager at the large veterinary clinic we use, is undergoing the final 24 hours of her leukemic six-month-old kitten's life. She is completely crushed, and I'm worried about her. We have her kitten's brother. He's been seriously ill since we took him in two months ago. He's holding his own, but barely. Three of our positives have died this year, euthanasia, despite all efforts to save them. My one suggestion to everyone forcefeeding cats is that you give the cats Hi-Vite drops. They're made by Evsco Pharmaceuticals, and are only available through vets. I have a twenty-four-plus-year- old cat (relinquished to me last year) who eats only babyfood and steak, and these vitamin drops have helped to keep him alive and healthy. This cat is on a half-tab of Prednisone per day to stimulate his appetite. I am keenly interested in your many suggestions for appetite stimulants, particularly non-steroidal forms for our positives. (Shadow is negative.) You've mentioned Megase, Periactin, and Amitryptilline (which has been explained). What is FelK? I'll buy us some Diarsanyl for diarrhea, slippery elm, Tropi Clean shampooes, and Benebac. Thanks, Presto
Re: OT Emergency (puppy)
Hi y'all, I just joined the OT list but it says I have to wait to be approved - and I have a possible emergency. My son just called from the Gulf coast to say that his Katrina orphan pup, she's about 3 or 4 m onths old, had chewed on one of those little oxygen absorber packets that are sometimes put in shoes, leather goods, or MRE's. The packets say not for human consumption on them. It looked about half chewed but the pup seems fine so far. Are these things toxic? Thanks for any info, Bonnie in WI - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:26 pm Subject: OT list created. Join HERE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/ To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Here is the link to go to to join the OFF TOPIC list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/ If you are already a member at any Yahoo service, you can sign up with your existing yahoo ID, just let me know who you are, so I can connect your yahooID with you name on this list, because I made it a closed list, so ONLY members HERE can sign up THERE, and I have to approve everyone manually. Otherwise, just use your email address that you use here, and I will approve you instantly. Jenn
Re: Can [EMAIL PROTECTED] please verify you are on this list?
Yep, that's me. Bonnie in WI, (waiting for Fu to come out from behind my desk so I can give him his fluids) www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2005 1:23 am Subject: Re: Can [EMAIL PROTECTED] please verify you are on thislist? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org That's Bonnie's email addy she is in Wisconsin. She is on the Felv list. In a message dated 12/5/2005 6:49:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can the person who owns this email address, reply and say you're here? [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't recognize your email, and you didn't give a name in the comments area, so I can't verify you are here. Kindly reply and say That's me! or something... then I will approve your membership at the OT group. Jenn Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
I think that is why some animal welfare groups are advocating for guardianship status rather than ownership so that people, including breeders, can't have animals killed for frivolous reasons. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org In a message dated 11/29/05 1:46:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. That's exactly the reason I got the two Maine Coon boys Both brought to vets for euthanasia for that reason... Worked with a compassionate vet, who refused to euthanize for convenience of owner. Both times, when working alone with that vet in evening, victim smuggled out, both in Feline Protection Program...with me!! As far as the other vets in that practice, euthanasia was done as often as nail trims.. (As dictated by owners of practice) Sadly, the compassionate vet is no longer with that practice. Her compassion was considered insubordination. Patti
Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious Feline. She is an animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio. http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php Boonie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy --- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
OT: McCartney attacks China over fur
not for the faint of heart ---BeginMessage--- BJ saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. ** Message ** I know it's almost impossible, but let's boycott Chineses goods. ** McCartney attacks China over fur ** Sir Paul McCartney vows not to perform in China after seeing footage of dogs and cats being killed for their fur. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4476664.stm ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail http://www.bbc.co.uk/dailyemail/ ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm ---End Message---
Re: Pills
Rebecca and all, My apologies if this has already been mentioned - my email is running so slow that I haven't read all of the replies - but have you tried a pill popper? My son taught me a trick - after inserting the pill, put your finger gently into the side of the kitty's mouth. That seems to stimulate a swallowing response. If the kitty's pink tongue then comes out, you can be pretty sure he or she has swallowed the pill. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:54 am Subject: Pills To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Patti- Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he shakes his head and im getting bitten and scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I gave him when he first got here so I know I can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday! -Rebecca
Re: RE: Postive and Negative Cats?
I also unknowingly adopted a positive kitten, but he had tested a false negative. My five other kitties were unvaccinated; three caught the virus and died within two years as did the kitten. A third kitty tested positive after that debacle, but threw off the virus. I certainly wouldn't mix positives and negatives as the vaccine is only said to be 85 per cent effective. just my two cents, Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:39 pm Subject: RE: Postive and Negative Cats? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Four of my cats lived together for several years before I found out my Tucson was pos. They had not been felv vaccinated and two had come in as kittens. None of the other three tested pos and I vaccinate them everyyear. I did not even consider separating as they had all lived together for those years and no one had contracted felv. They eat together, use the same litter box, play with the same toys, groom each other, and on and on. I brought in a stray I had been feeding last year and it turned out he was pos but totally asymptomatic... So, I now have 5--2 pos, 3 neg and my biggestproblem is that Tuscon hates the latest addition. Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allie Deaver Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:17 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Postive and Negative Cats? Hey everyone- I was wondering...my other cat hasn't been tested yet, but will be tomorrow.However, whether he is positive or negative, we have a problem. He either has to live with a positive cat or, when my FeLV+ kitty crosses teh bridge,or if he's positive and can't go into remission (he shows no symptoms of anything, he's a very healthy cat overall, except for the usual occassionalkitty eye goobers and hairballs), he'll need a companion, since he does NOT do well alone. I've been looking for someone with FeLV+ cats for adoption in my area (Chicago), with no avail. That, and the cats I take in tend to be needy, homeless strays that choose me (who are then taken immediately to the vet to be tested, have inital rabies and FVRCP vacs and an exam before they ever meet the other resident cat, since I can only have 2 at a time). And anyway, if he's a neg, I have no plans to cast off my kitten just becauseshe has this diagnosis. So how do you guys do it? Everything I've ever read says remove all positive cats from the household or elect euthanasia if you have a multi-cat household as if it were that easy. I'm aware that some of you keep both positives and negatives together...so I have some questions and I would really love it if you guys would share some of your experiences with me: -How do you do it? Are they separated in any way within your home? -How do you control the virus in terms of cleaning and separation of LB's and dishes? -CAN the virus be contained? What other precautions do you take? -Does this mean I have to stop bringing treated/vaccinated rescued negs into my house as long as I have a positive cat, should Leo test positive? -In your experience, how quickly and readily does the virus spread? Everything I've read basically says that if you have one positive, you can count on having more if you're in a multi-cat household. -In a household with both negs and positive cats, do you vaccinate the negs? Why or why not? I've already gotten some input from Belinda (thank you!) but I just kind of want to take a survey to see the various outcomes and know all of my options. If anyone can spare some good vibes that Leo is negative and Lola's symtoms remain under control at least until we can seek further treatmentoptions, I'd greatly appreciate it! Thanks guy! You are a terrific group! Allie
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Re: Lots of cats - Nina
Sandy, I guess you don't have any Siamese in your face insistantly and loudly making demands for breakfast, affection, etc. :) :) Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Lots of cats - Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Nina you know, I still enjoy my dogs and other's dogs, but much of the time when I look into their faces, I see...I need something from you. (Pet me now? Gonna eat that? Gonna let me out now? Not now? How bout now?) Could be I have anxious dogs. But when I look into the eyes of my cats, I see that they truly enjoy my presence. They seem to convey such peace to me. The adult cats exude calm. Most of the time. I guess they don't exude calm when they are chewing on my hair or sitting on my chest licking my nose in the middle of the night, but you know what I mean. So I have to agree with you about the spiritualquality cats posess. Sandy
OT: Katrina animals need help
PLEASE POST AND CROSS POST. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. We at Awareness Day, would ask that each group who has any room please say yes to at least one dog or cat from Katrina. We and Companion Animal Placement will do the rest. One of our volunteers, Leslie Picone just got back from her second trip to New Orleans. She was instrumental in helping develop a successful trapping schedule and now dogs and cats are being trapped at a dramatic rate. Problem. There is no one coming forward to rescue these animals and because of lack of space these animals are going to have to be euthanized. We understand that everyone is overwhelmed but if you can find a place for just one Katrina cat or dog, it would make all the difference in the world to that animal Please contact us if you are a reputable rescue group who will be able to handle this animal and do right by it. We do not want to have any group over extend themselves. Free transportation will be arranged by Companion Animal Placement. We are told there are about 30 super friendly cats who are just sitting in holding areas and waiting. The traps are being set in areas where there have been no rescue previously, and the animals are very adoptable. For more information, please email, us or Leslie directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cricket's Time
and baby food does not have taurine which is essential to cats. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 9, 2005 10:03 am Subject: Re: Cricket's Time To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Wendy, Is it possible to have the vet come to your house? That alone would make it much less stressful. Also just curious, how long has Cricket been on baby food, this is not a substitute for cat food, it doesn't have the vitimin requirements a cat needs? Also how much food are you actually getting into Cricket, a teaspoon here and there is not enough and Cricket will die from lack of food if that is the case. When syringe feeding a cat that isn't eating you have to get atleast 180 to 200 ccs of food into them daily if you don't they are at risk of developing Fatty Liver Disease and this will kill them. If Cricket isn't getting very much food it will make weaker and sicker, the weaker and sicker he gets, the less he will want to eat, it is a vicous cycle and food is the ONLY way to stop it. I've been going throught the archives and it looks like Cricket has been getting small amounts of baby food for quite a while, this will not sustain him, he needs real food in real amounts, it is a bit of work to syringe that much food but it could save his life if it isn't too late. There is a Assisted Feeding group that can help and support you in this, you can find them here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ No cat can recover from anything if they are not getting enough food. Not trying to be mean just stating facts. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: help needed--problem with subQ
Kerry, There are different kinds of fluid bags, I know because I go to two different vets and get fluids from both (one is the vet school because I see a specialist there). I suggest calling your vet's office and talk to a tech. On Fu's bag, which I can see from here, there is a sort of rubber stopper at the bottom through which I inject air; other bags have a little spout like projections covered with rubber through which you can put a needle. Your vet techs can also tell you how to deal with fluids bags where the sides stick together and make it difficult to see how much you've given. I've been doing fluids for several cats for years - sometime if I can't see the fluid line, I'll just judge by how fast the fluid is going in and then I'll decide whether to do two or three minutes. I try this before I inject air into the bag. As for the old Ringer bags you mentioned in your other post, remember to check the expiration date. And after a bag has been opened, you only want to use it for no more than 10-14 days. Best wishes to you and Pookie, Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2005 0:25 am Subject: Re: help needed--problem with subQ To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Thanks Bonnie---which bit is the medicine port--is it the hole at the bottom of the bag (once the bag's unsealed) that you put the hose in? Do i take the hose back out to put the air in--won't the fluid pour out then? Oh dear! Kerry - Original Message - From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:14 AM Subject: Re: help needed--problem with subQ Kerry, This is what the vet techs who work for my vet do. They get a clean syringe and put a needle on the end. Then they inject air into the bag via the medicine port. As a nurse on the CRF list objected to this, thinking of humans no doubt, I asked the vet school pharmacist who she said it was OK as the fluids were just going under the skin. But I would just inject one syringe full of air into the bag if thats enough to help you see the water line. If you have to do it a second time, I'd use a new needle. If the syringe has been used before, I'd wash it thoroughly and rinse with very hot water. Does this help? Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:48 pm Subject: help needed--problem with subQ Hi all I've just started a new bag to give Pookie his fluids--and I can't tell on this bag where the discernible water level is! I actually let some go down the sink in an effort to find the level and that didn't work. I've neverstarted a new bag before (I'm still fumbling my way around subQs) and I can't believe this is happening. Luckily Pookie seems ok, but i need to figure out fast what to do. Has anyone come across this--any idea how to fix?! Kerry
Re: RE: Sub Q fluids-- 2 Qs
Ok guys, re my 1am Pookie problem (fluid level was not discernible in my new Ringer's bag so I cdn't proceed), a rescue/shelter volunteer I called this morning said I should unscrew the hose, open the bag up and let air in (don't feel dumb Wendy!). I did that and the fluid levelmagically appeared. (Q 1) BUT will this have caused any possible contamination problem??? just as long as it wasn't open too long bonnie
Re: help needed--problem with subQ
Kerry, This is what the vet techs who work for my vet do. They get a clean syringe and put a needle on the end. Then they inject air into the bag via the medicine port. As a nurse on the CRF list objected to this, thinking of humans no doubt, I asked the vet school pharmacist who she said it was OK as the fluids were just going under the skin. But I would just inject one syringe full of air into the bag if thats enough to help you see the water line. If you have to do it a second time, I'd use a new needle. If the syringe has been used before, I'd wash it thoroughly and rinse with very hot water. Does this help? Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:48 pm Subject: help needed--problem with subQ Hi all I've just started a new bag to give Pookie his fluids--and I can't tell on this bag where the discernible water level is! I actually let some go down the sink in an effort to find the level and that didn't work. I've neverstarted a new bag before (I'm still fumbling my way around subQs) and I can't believe this is happening. Luckily Pookie seems ok, but i need to figure out fast what to do. Has anyone come across this--any idea how to fix?! Kerry
Re: Chinese cat and dog fur
ABC News, I think it was 20/20, also had a segment on the Chinese dog and cat fur trade and a video! There was a German Shepherd, tail happily wagging, being led off to his terrible fate and then it was filmed. Let's face it, all fur is cruel! Whether an wild animal is caught in a trap, has it's neck broken or suffers anal electrocution on a fur farm - where it's life has been spent in a tiny cage - the fur trade is cruelty incarnate. Nobody has to wear fur anymore except perhaps some Inuit who live in Arctic regions. Check out a great video called The Witness made by a group called Tribe of Heart. It's about an average blue collar worker from, I think, the Bronx, who discovers the inner workings of the fur trade. In the final scene, he had rigged up a video camera on his van and drives around Manhattan showing scenes of animals struggling in traps, being killed for fur, to holiday shoppers. Many onlookers look stunned, avert their eyes, and some cry. Bonnie in WI - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:35 am Subject: Chinese cat and dog fur Yes unfortunately very true. It is much cheaper to import cat and dog fur from china than fake fur. Last year I voiced my disgust at a couple of shops here in the uk for passing furry ball scarfs off as fake - they were not labelled and smelled like animal and you could see the animal skin it was so poorly made. I ended up repoting the shops to peta and getting fur trade info sent out to them. The chinese fur trade is cruel beyond belief. Peta recently got some undercover video footage which I daren't watch because I'll be too traumatised. They do skin alive as they believe the adrenylin pumping provides for a better quality pelt. They steal people's pets too for the fur - the whole thing is sick. I know peta are often seen as extreme but on this one they appear to be spot on sadly. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble (After my sighting I played Bramble's favourite music and had his ashes casket on one shoulder and tidge's on the other telling them I'm happy for them to be with me whenever they want)
Re: cat and dog fur
The Phillippines is also a source of cat fur. The ABC video showed a fur operation there. In a cage that had been full of cats, the last two terrified-looking cats were clinging to one another as workers took them out one by one and strangled them in front of the other cats. These cats knew what their fate was. The film was shown over a year ago but it's all coming back now. I wrote a letter to the Phillippine embassy; someone there wrote back denying it was happening and indignantly demanded to know the address of the factory. The video had only said this was happening in the Phillippines but I hope they got plenty of other letters. I think the Burlington Coat factory was one chain mentioned that was selling dog and cat fur trimmed coats. A lot of the coat labels had names of made-up animals like Russian ard-wolf. Many people don't want to hear about the horrible things animals go through; they think nothing can be done but we have to keep bringing it up - it only takes a few dedicated people to start changes in the way we think and do things...it always has, as someone once said. Bonnie in WI - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Chinese cat and dog fur Isn't it odd how people talk about someone behaving like an animal when they behave in a particulary nasty way. No animal is capable of the horrors perpetrated by humans. I would like to see a huge campaign mounted to encourage a boycott of Chinese goods until they shape up. Since half the stuff we buy these days seems to come from China it would have to give them pause. On the other hand there probably isn't a single country in the world that treats animals with respect. I like to think that one day people will look back at the way we behavetowards animals as they look at slavery today---and wonder how we could possibly have thought it was ok to use, abuse, eat and wear them. Kerry
Fwd: Re: Kitten with diarrhea
Any ideas for this lady in California? Thanks,Bonnie www.elephants.com ---BeginMessage--- sure, feel free to send it. thanks! BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: Trudy, With your permission, I could pass your message along to the feline leukemia group to see if they have any ideas. Some of them are very experienced with treating kitty illnesess and deliberately adopt Felv cats with compromised immune systems; many of their cats stay healthy for a long time with proper care). I'm thinking, like you are, that if the kitten still has diarrhea, something is wrong and maybe you need to see another vet. I adopted a stray 12 years ago who had kittens. All of them had to be put on meds for some gastro-intestinal problem they picked up from their mother, it may have been diarrhea and it cleared up. Bonnie Kalmbach Date:Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:27:07 -0700 From:Trudy Handel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Kitten with diarrhea We adopted a kitten from a farm - his dam had feline herpes and passed it on to him even though he was immunized. He was sneezing when we got him but it has stopped and he's been fine. However, he has light caramel coloured runny bowel movements. We wormed him with strongid when we got him, then we treated him later with Revolution. He eats well, is growing and very comfortable. He just doesn't have formed bowel movements. The vet checked him out when he was wormed and said he was fine, but we still have the diarrhea. Any thoughts? -- Trudy Handel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xanadufarms.com Handmade glass beads http://www.fireice.ca ---End Message---
Re: fleas
Lohna, I would never use a chemical - even on healthy kitties. I use a flea comb - it takes a few days but it works. Just comb out the kitty and everytime you get a flea in the comb, dip it in hot soapy water. I did this in the bathroom with the door shut but gave the kitty lots of affection at the same time. This worked well when I added a new kitty, with fleas. I checked my others and they hardly got any at all and soon all were flea free. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Lohna Esteb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2005 8:38 pm Subject: fleas I'm somewhat new to the list. I imagine it's important how you get rid of fleas on a kitty with feline leukemia, also a feral. This is kittypoo. She is indoors. Any advice? Lohna
help needed in New Orleans
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:44:44 -0400 From: Jane Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help Jane!!! Hi everyone! This is Mark writing to you from Jane's email. I just spoke with her, and received an update on the activities in New Orleans. The state Vet has advised that they are no longer to accept anymore animals at the Lamar Dixon Expo center. To combat this recent decision, Jane has found another location. However, in the last hour, there is a problem with that center. Jane is desperate for a new location. A farm, barn, warehouse or other location that can be set up to house rescued animals. The rescue effort is not done! They are still rescuing about 100 animals from homes every day. The ones that they are finding dead, did not die from the hurricane, but are dead from starvation/dehydration. They've been found in carriers, and curled up on their people's beds. The clock is still ticking! So please, if you have a source for a location, please respond ASAP. As for help, they are still in need of people to come to New Orleans to perform various task. Yes they still need those who can rescue and feed, but they also need those who can do shelter work, administration work, check in animals, drive them to shelters, etc, etc. Lamar Dixon is still housing the volunteers, just not taking in any animals. Please go down ASAP. New volunteers are to meet at 9 pm between barns 12 for orientation/direction. They meet again at 5:30 am to get going and to be briefed on the days activities. Please contact me and I will get a message to Jane. Thanks for your help! Mark P.S. For those who have extensive email list/web sites, please post this as soon as you can. Thanks! P.S.S. The national groups have pulled out of New Orleans as per orders of the state vet, Jane is operating the rescue efforts on her own with the help of the volunteers. Please help! P.S.S.S. She just called me to advise that they need Vets as well.
Re: Herpes virus in the eyes.
My Siamese kitty mitou and her daughter Sylvie have chronic mild herpes infections in their eyes. I give them Lysine and a triple opthalmic anti-biotic. It clears up right away. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 3, 2005 3:38 pm Subject: Re: Herpes virus in the eyes. Yes, this was Pre Lysine days Now, Lysine is a regular part of the regiment, especially w/ the cats that seem to have chronic problems. Good Luck w/ your babies. Patti
Re: Need advice quick please
Terri, My experience with this was when my orange girl Rosalie ate a semi- toxic plant. She got over it, thank heavens, but my vet x-rayed her to make sure she hadn't swallowed something. When she hadn't stopped vomiting for over 24 hours, he asked if he could do exploratory surgery in case she had ingested something that didn't show up on the X-ray. You might want to keep this in mind. I would call an emergency vet for advice if she doesn't stop. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, October 1, 2005 2:38 pm Subject: Need advice quick please Gang, I'm trying not to panic, but Guinevere (2 years old, FeLV-) has been vomiting since yesterday afternoon. She continued to try to eat and drink, but a little while ago, I tried to tempt her with her favorite treats, and she refused them and them vomited up whatever water she drank. It has a pinkish tint to it. Suggestions? My vet is closed, and I spent all available cash on Salome' 2 weeks ago. I was approved for CareCredit today, but the vets that take it are closed as well. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/http://page sivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html? 1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html? 1083970447350
Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Nina wrote: Can anyone tell me how difficult it is to put an animal to sleep in an emaciated condition? Dear Nina, You would want the vet to be VERY CAREFUL. One of my positive kitties, my beloved little shy golden turkish angora kitty, Katyusha, had a very painful death - I think - because she was so emaciated that when the vet injected her with the tranqulizer, she screamed out in pain. This was her last conscious memory. This haunts me to this very day. Bonnie in WI
Re: My dear little Claudette
Thanks to all for your kind and comforting words. Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 7:28 am Subject: Re: My dear little Claudette Dear Bonnie, How terrible; first the blow of the diagnosis and then the reaction to the treatment. I know how heavy your heart must be. She certainly had a wonderful life with you and it's obvious you have many treasured memories. I'm sure that Philippe was waiting for her and one of her headbutts that he'd been missing. Take care of youself. Love, Julie BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Belinda, Please add my dear little Claudette to the Candlelight service. She passed today at the age of twelve. She had cancer of the liver and died from a reaction to the chemo which was just started yesterday. Claudette had thrown off the leukemia virus eight years ago when my kitties were exposed to the virus from a kitten who had originally tested negative. Her brother Phillipe became positive and died within two years. Claudette and Phillipe were two beautiful grey and black tabbies with white feet and copper markings. She and Phillipe had prominent black rings on their grey tails, just like a raccoon. Her cute little nose was half white, half copper, and she had the loud insistant meow of her Siamese mother, Mitou. Claudette, Phillipe, Andre, and Sylvie were all born in my son's closet. When they were tiny, Phillipe, the leader of the pack would climb up my leg into my lap with Claudette right behind. Then would come black Andre. I would have to pick up the very small Sylvie who was born with hypernatremia and wasn't well coordinated. Then all of the kittens would snuggle in my lap and fall asleep - it was a thrill, even though their clawing their way up was a tad painful. Claudie was also the best of all my kitties with the head butts. She was like a caring older sister to the sick kitties and would always hover close by them as if to offer comfort. The sudden onset of the cancer and her loss this morning was a big shock. But now I hope she has found her brother Phillipe and they are together again - my two little ringtails. Bonnie in WI I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: So many losses...
Dear Nina, I am praying for your little Gracie. She knows that you love her very much. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, September 18, 2005 0:13 am Subject: Re: So many losses... Thank you Nina. Big hugs and positive thoughts coming your way for your Gracie. Terri B. - Original Message - From: Ninamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: So many losses... Terri B, Terri D and Bonnie, I'm so sorry for all the heartache and loss. I'm sitting here numb with the grief of it. My little Gracie is fighting for her life and it's so hard to imagine how we will bear it all. I have no words, only sadness. Sometimes it's so hard to keep fighting. I'll write again when my strength returns. In the meantime know that I love you, appreciate you and feel your pain. Nina
My dear little Claudette
Dear Belinda, Please add my dear little Claudette to the Candlelight service. She passed today at the age of twelve. She had cancer of the liver and died from a reaction to the chemo which was just started yesterday. Claudette had thrown off the leukemia virus eight years ago when my kitties were exposed to the virus from a kitten who had originally tested negative. Her brother Phillipe became positive and died within two years. Claudette and Phillipe were two beautiful grey and black tabbies with white feet and copper markings. She and Phillipe had prominent black rings on their grey tails, just like a raccoon. Her cute little nose was half white, half copper, and she had the loud insistant meow of her Siamese mother, Mitou. Claudette, Phillipe, Andre, and Sylvie were all born in my son's closet. When they were tiny, Phillipe, the leader of the pack would climb up my leg into my lap with Claudette right behind. Then would come black Andre. I would have to pick up the very small Sylvie who was born with hypernatremia and wasn't well coordinated. Then all of the kittens would snuggle in my lap and fall asleep - it was a thrill, even though their clawing their way up was a tad painful. Claudie was also the best of all my kitties with the head butts. She was like a caring older sister to the sick kitties and would always hover close by them as if to offer comfort. The sudden onset of the cancer and her loss this morning was a big shock. But now I hope she has found her brother Phillipe and they are together again - my two little ringtails. Bonnie in WI
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I would definitely try a little syringe feeding. A/D food for ill animals easily mixes with water. It may perk up his appetite. Cats who go too long without eating will get Hepatic Lipidosis. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2005 3:46 am Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: ot-Take Action Now to Support the Pet Animal Welfare Statute-take off list?
I would go with the animal welfare groups over the breeders, although I know some of the latter, e.g. PETA, have done questionable things etc. But many breeders' organizations like the American Kennel club do give (for a fee?) papers to puppies raised in puppy mill like places, so the breeders have a much clearer financial stake in this issue. My guess is that with commercial cat breeders the situation may be similar. that's my two cents, Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:31 pm Subject: Re: ot-Take Action Now to Support the Pet Animal Welfare Statute-take off list? This is not directly related to felv, but a lot of us work in rescue and rescue a lot of leukemia positive cats. My positive is a rescue. I don't know whether it should be taken offlist or not. I have read about the bill and done a little research, though I'm no authority. All I know is that the Cat Fancier's Association and the AKC (and now a 'purebred' cat rescue) are all posting that we should push for a NO to this bill. Every animal welfare group I know of is saying we push for YES. This has been discussed on my local animal welfare and animal rights' lists. All animal groups I belong to here in Georgia say that the purebred groups are trying to 'scare' rescues into thinking this will hurt them, and that in fact, it will NOT hurt rescue groups, but help them by preventing the influx of animals from breeders. Rescue groups do not 'sell' animals for a profit. I have more info. for those interested, but from what I've read I am reassured that this will NOT negatively impact those in rescue. We've had a long going discussion on the Georgia Animal Welfare list with a breeder/rescuer trying to get people to oppose, All rescuers have assured people that she is wrong. Breeders just do not want to be regulated. All of my local rescue groups, humane societies, etc... are supporting this legislation (except for those that deal only with purebreds or are breeders themselves involved in rescue). How many felv + siamese, himalayans, etc... are in the homes of people on this list who were not 'bought' from a breeder, but RESCUED BECAUSE of a breeder's irresponsibility? I have google searched this legislation, and groups against it are breeder or pet dealer type groups and every group in favor of this legislation is an animal welfare group working to help animals such as HSUS, Doris Day Animal League, Friends of Animals, etc... The senators working on this bill are doing it to STOP the deaths of animals in shelters due to overpopulation and STOP horrible puppymill practices. I believe they are working directly with DDAL. DDAL has a strong focus on spay/neuter and stopping puppy/kitten mills. I'm not an attorney, but I 'believe' the animal welfare groups over the breeders' groups, and I know the purpose of this bill is to help companion animal overpopulation, not to stop rescue work. If nothing else, think how many LESS animals there will be to rescue if we can stop backyard breeders and puppy and kitten mills... I think it's unprecedented and a step in a positive direction to have people in Congress willing to even work on this. Breeders are a well organized group as well. They jumped on this legislation and started urging people to vote NO on their petitions in full force before most of us (on Georgia rescue lists anyway) even knew what was going on They are also appealing to individual citizens saying they are going to lose their 'constitutional right' to do whatever they want with their 'property'. That's my 3 cents. tonya TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://purebredcatbreedrescue.org/paws.htm PLEASE read what CFA Purebred Cat Breed Rescue has to say about PAWS before you send out your letters. more info will be available on the possible effects on rescue groups tomorrow, but this is important to read NOW. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: overwhelmed
Jennifer, Has it been ruled out that Sebastian's rear leg weakness may be due to anemia? My kitty Fu gets a 10 mg.'s of pred a day and 200 ml of fluids. His vet said that would lead to suppression of his red cell blood count - Fu needs those meds more; sometime's his back legs look wobbly. Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com ---BeginMessage--- I have not written anything for a while. I have been very overwhelmed with Sebastian's problems and I keep trying things that do not seem to work. I recently took Sebastian to Virginia Tech's Veterinary hospital (because of everyone's recommedations). I am so upset that he is getting sicker. I feel that I am overlooking his problems because I do not want to face them. I love him so much and I can not stand to see him this way. I took him to the veterinary hospital because he has almost lost all control of his hind legs. They are becoming so weak and he has used the bathroom on himself a few times because it is hard for him to get in and out of the litter box. The vets are worried that his problems are nuerological, so I set up another appointment with the nuerology department.He also twitches and has like muscle spasms or something when he is sleeping. It is like his body can not rest. The vets told me that they would like to do a spinal tap and a special X-ray where they shoot dye into his spine.All of this has to be done under Anaestheia. There are alot of risks with these tests. Putting a FELV+ kitty under involvees alot of risks and they said that if something goes wrong with the spinal tap he could be paralyzed. I do not know what to do. What what you do? I need help making this decision. Currently, Sebastian is taking methylcobalamin and AHCC-vitamins. I also started him on Interferon. It is just the Interferon that the vet gave me. Should I get some other type of Interferon? WHat is everyone else using? Should I give him more supplements and vitamins everyday? I will do anything for him. I just do not know what all I should/can do right now. I need alot of help. ---End Message---
Re: RE: support group for kidney problems
make that Yahoo! has two such groups Bonnie, the not so nimbled fingered, in WI www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:07 pm Subject: RE: support group for kidney problems Does anyone know an active support group for kidney problems for cats? Thank you! Hideyo
another blind kitten
Isn't there somebody on this list who is taking care of a blind kitten? Another blind kitten has been found by someone on the VETMED list, who doesn't know what to do. I answered his post saying I thought there was someone I could ask. Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com
Re: Help for Adri
Here is a URL that might help with financing pet health care. http://www.magdrl-nj.com/links.html#finance Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:00 pm Subject: Re: Help for Adri Also ask if they have a fund to help pay when people can not afford to pay the bills. Most animal hospitals say they have these funds and get people to donate to them, but then do not advertise that money is available. Ask them if they have one of these funds for people to donate to. If they say yes (they will think you are going to donate), tell them that you need to apply for help from the fund. Michelle In a message dated 7/22/05 5:00:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These last day i have been feeding her with chiquen boath and tuna, I spend like 3 hours but at the end she barely eat 1 teaspoon and drink like 3 tablespoon. since yesterday, she does not want anything. yesterday she drink like 1 tablespoon all day. I am thinking in use a sirige. the vet told me she is in very bad shape; and send me to an animal hospital, he told me that it is probable she dies. I haven't took her to the hospital because I do not have money (only the consult is 85) but i can not be here watching her, i think i am going to the hospital and I will ask if the accept I pay the bill in a monthly bases
Re: canned pumpkin for constipation
Cherie, Thanks does this work when a cat is severely constipated? Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 9, 2005 11:02 am Subject: Re: canned pumpkin for constipation I just do a table spoon out of the can no water. BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About how much is given? It's mixed with water, yes? Thanks, Bonnie www.elephants.com Have a purrfect day Cherie
Fu's severe constipation was:: canned pumpkin
How long should I wait for the canned pumpkin to take effect? I laced it with SEB. I'm thinking of taking him to the emergency vet - who I don't much trust. I've had bad luck there. The vet gave him a gentle enema yesterday because I was so concerned as Fu had nearly died after getting an enema three years ago. Fu is 19 and very frail with hyperthyroidism and his intestinal cancer is probably out of remission. I've also done fluids today; he had 100ml last night and vet said to give him 100 ml twice a day. I gave him 50 ml early this morning, thinking that it might be too soon to give more as the last dose was after midnight. I've also given him 3ml lactulose, and Laxaire. I fear I may have to go to the emergency vet. I think I'll give the second 50 ml of fluids soon. www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 9, 2005 2:05 pm Subject: Re: canned pumpkin for constipation You do realize that a severely constipated cat can go into shock? I have not read all of the posts and don't know how long since kitty has not pooped ... can you give kitty an enema? Your vet can or sell you the enema gizmo. My Tito was still going some and I didn't know he had a problem until he began trying unsuccessfully to poop ... fairly soon he began vomiting and trembling. He was in bad shape. Del - Original Message - From: BONNIE J KALMBACH To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: Re: canned pumpkin for constipation Cherie, Thanks does this work when a cat is severely constipated? Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 9, 2005 11:02 am Subject: Re: canned pumpkin for constipation I just do a table spoon out of the can no water. BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About how much is given? It's mixed with water, yes? Thanks, Bonnie www.elephants.com Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: Fu's severe constipation was:: canned pumpkin
Thanks Del - the vet yesterday felt stool inside of him. He did a mild enema at my worried urging. But none of the other things I've tried have worked last night or today. I'm hoping something will so I won't have to go to the emergency room. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 9, 2005 2:57 pm Subject: Re: Fu's severe constipation was:: canned pumpkin Oh, Bonnie, it doesn't sound good for Fu, does it. When Effie's lymphoma went out of remission, she was frequently in the box trying to poop, nothing came out as she wasn't eating to produce any waste. Doc found more tumors against her spine and insides giving her the feeling of needing to poop. I do hope that is not the case with your kitty. Love and prayers to Fu. Del - Original Message - From: BONNIE J KALMBACH To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: Fu's severe constipation was:: canned pumpkin How long should I wait for the canned pumpkin to take effect? I laced it with SEB. I'm thinking of taking him to the emergency vet - who I don't much trust. I've had bad luck there. The vet gave him a gentle enema yesterday because I was so concerned as Fu had nearly died after getting an enema three years ago. Fu is 19 and very frail with hyperthyroidism and his intestinal cancer is probably out of remission. I've also done fluids today; he had 100ml last night and vet said to give him 100 ml twice a day. I gave him 50 ml early this morning, thinking that it might be too soon to give more as the last dose was after midnight. I've also given him 3ml lactulose, and Laxaire. I fear I may have to go to the emergency vet. I think I'll give the second 50 ml of fluids soon. www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 9, 2005 2:05 pm Subject: Re: canned pumpkin for constipation You do realize that a severely constipated cat can go into shock? I have not read all of the posts and don't know how long since kitty has not pooped ... can you give kitty an enema? Your vet can or sell you the enema gizmo. My Tito was still going some and I didn't know he had a problem until he began trying unsuccessfully to poop ... fairly soon he began vomiting and trembling. He was in bad shape. Del - Original Message - From: BONNIE J KALMBACH To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: Re: canned pumpkin for constipation Cherie, Thanks does this work when a cat is severely constipated? Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 9, 2005 11:02 am Subject: Re: canned pumpkin for constipation I just do a table spoon out of the can no water. BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About how much is given? It's mixed with water, yes? Thanks, Bonnie www.elephants.com Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: Fu's severe constipation was:: canned pumpkin
Michelle, I do remember your Simon. Fu is on Leukeran and pred. I was letting him eat dry food this week which he likes because he has been losing weight. I guess that is what has caused the severe constipation. I'm worried that he may soon be too be too weak to try to pass the stool. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 9, 2005 3:03 pm Subject: Re: Fu's severe constipation was:: canned pumpkin If his lymphoma is out of remission, I would suggest talking to the vet about putting him on dexamethasone and depomedrol shots instead of prednisone pills. They are stronger and also reduce the need for pilling. They shrink lymphoma. I don't know if you were on the list and following when my Simon was sick. A month before he actually died from anemia, it seemed like he was dying from his lymphoma and the vet would not give him more chemo and sent him home to die, which we thought he would. We loaded him up on steroids (a depo and a dex shot one day, then dex for two more days) and he got better enough to get chemo and do well for another month. I would highly suggest keeping him on slippery elm. You can syringe it to him by mixing it with water, preferably hot water, until it is a goopy texture, cooling it, and syringing it a few times a day. It really does wonders with intestinal lymphoma. My Josephine had intestinal lymphoma, and the vets were amazed that she never had diarrhea or other bowel problems the whole time. I syringed her 3 cc's of slippery elm syrup (which I made by boiling the powder for a second or two with water, stirring and cooling) twice a day. Michelle
Re: Fu's severe constipation was:: canned pumpkin
Michelle, I will mention dexamethasone to the vet when we go on Monday. But Fu also takes methimazole for hyperthyroidism - would slippery elm's coating of the stomach impair absorption of his other meds? Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 9, 2005 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Fu's severe constipation was:: canned pumpkin I understand. I agree that he may need another enema. But if he gets one and it works, I am saying that I think you should put him on Slippery Elm afterwards to prevent this happening again, or pumpkin. I have not tried Pumpkin for this, but hear it works well. I think the Slippery Elm is a miracle herb. It has nutrition value as well and helps the immune system. George Washington apparently fed his troops slippery elm gruel in the winter to try to prevent them from getting sick. When I mentioned the stronger steroids, it is in case the lymphoma is acting up and causing symptoms not controlled by what he is on, and/or if part of his problem with passing stool is from an intestinal tumor causing a blockage. Dexamethasone is amazing at quickly, though temporarily, shrinking lymphoma tumors. The effects can last a while. Michelle In a message dated 7/9/05 4:13:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I do remember your Simon. Fu is on Leukeran and pred. I was letting him eat dry food this week which he likes because he has been losing weight. I guess that is what has caused the severe constipation. I'm worried that he may soon be too be too weak to try to pass the stool. Bonnie