Re: [Felvtalk] No signs and then they are gone.

[Maureen Olvey]

Oh, I just realized that it was today that you lost Nitnoy.  I'm so so sorry.  
Believe me, I know it's tough.  A couple weeks ago I lost a 2 year old but it 
was to cardiomyopathy.  Another out of the blue thing.  I'm still not over 
losing him.  I still have a houseful of kitties left to comfort me but each one 
is so special that when they go it seems to hurt just as much as if they were 
your only pet.  The problem with pets is that they can't tell you something is 
wrong when it first starts so lots of times by the time we figure out that they 
are ill it's too late to help them.  I know you will miss your little "garbage 
can" and again I'm sorry you lost her.  It just really sucks.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:06:53 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No signs and then they are gone.
> 
> -Nitnoy was tortoise too.  She was like a brindle all over with 4 cream socks 
> and a cream streak to one side of her nose which gave her a clownish look.  
> Add to that that a raccoon bit off all but 3 -4" of her tail and she was real 
> short.  She was like a cute litle stuffed toy.  She was always in my face 
> when I was eating and always first in line at feeding time  so I gave her a 
> 2nd name "garbage can".  Going to miss her a lot.
> 
> --- Christiane Biagi > wrote: > Well my Tucson turned 14 this year. I lost my 
> Romeo at age 9+ to lymphoma—it was also very fast…he was sick for a couple of 
> weeks. I know I sound like a broken record but FELV virus has been around 
> long before anybody even knew about it. Most cats don’t get tested—they 
> certainly didn’t years ago. If it were that lethal, there wouldn’t be any 
> cats left. I think there are probably a lot more cats out there not diagnosed 
> living the good life. > > > > From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA > 
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:21 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] No signs and then they are gone. > > > > That is one 
> reason the ASPCA does not adopt out cats with FELV,because it hits all at 
> once. FIV cats they adopt out,because they can live a long time.The lady that 
> had the cat for 91/2 yrs ,good for you. Some cats without FELV don't live 
> that long.Oh, It happened to me too,one day fine ,next day not feeling 
> well,next day or two gone. But, they died home when they were ready.Cathy 
> Fron the BRonx N Y > > > > > > From: Maureen Olvey > > To: 
> dlg...@windstream.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Monday, October 
> 15, 2012 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon > > > > Yeah, I 
> wondered if there had been any signs earlier but I just didn't notice them. 
> It was like one night she started breathing a little funny and the next day 
> it became worse so I took her to the vet and of course the stress of the trip 
> made things a lot worse so as soon as we got there the vets rushed her to the 
> back to see what was going on. By the time they did the x-ray and got back to 
> me she was getting weak. I went to the back where she was at to see her and 
> talk with the vet and she died while we were talking. I had no prep time at 
> all and it was awful. Here one day and gone the next. Her name was Two Face. 
> She was a torti with some white on her and half her face was orange and the 
> other half black. What a sweetheart. Wish I could have had her for a lot 
> longer. > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results 
> that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts 
> upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to 
> me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
> Twain > > > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:06:48 -0500 > > From: 
> dlg...@windstream.net > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: 
> [Felvtalk] Interferon > > CC: molvey...@hotmail.com > > > > That is the way 
> it was with Nitnoy. We never really had the time to decide on treatment 
> before she was gone. I keep thinking there is something I missed and should 
> have seen. > > > > > >  "molvey...@hotmail.com" > wrote: > Lisa, You were 
> lucky because 9 1/2 years is a long time for a FeLV cat, especiall

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Maureen Olvey]

Yeah, I wondered if there had been any signs earlier but I just didn't notice 
them.  It was like one night she started breathing a little funny and the next 
day it became worse so I took her to the vet and of course the stress of the 
trip made things a lot worse so as soon as we got there the vets rushed her to 
the back to see what was going on.  By the time they did the x-ray and got back 
to me she was getting weak.  I went to the back where she was at to see her and 
talk with the vet and she died while we were talking.  I had no prep time at 
all and it was awful.  Here one day and gone the next.  Her name was Two Face.  
She was a torti with some white on her and half her face was orange and the 
other half black.  What a sweetheart.  Wish I could have had her for a lot 
longer.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:06:48 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
> CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
> 
> That is the way it was with Nitnoy.  We never really had the time to decide 
> on treatment before she was gone.  I keep thinking there is something I 
> missed and should have seen.
> 
> 
>  "molvey...@hotmail.com" > wrote: > Lisa, You were lucky because 9 1/2 
> years is a long time for a FeLV cat, especially if he had it as a kitten. 
> Most cats that had FeLV as a kitten don't live past 3 years. Many live less 
> than a year. If you were giving him interferon then maybe that was it. I have 
> heard of some that lived about that long but not too often if they got it as 
> a kitten from their mom. One vet told me about one that lived until it was 
> 18. I kind of wonder if the vet was smoking dope cause that's really odd. I 
> had one that died at 2 years old that had a mediastinal tumor. Like Prancer 
> she was fine then one day her breathing became labored. Before the vet and I 
> could even discuss what to do she died. At the time I did not know she had 
> FeLV because she tested negative as a kitten. They didn't see the tumor on 
> X-ray because of all the fluid so we did a necropsy to see where the fluid 
> was coming from. Sure enough the vet found this large tumor and it had 
> actually punctured her heart and the fluid in her chest was all blood. Then 
> the vet got curious and did a combo test and found the FeLV. My guess is that 
> most likely the tumor would have eventually ruptured Prancer's heart too so 
> you probably did the best thing for Prancer. I didn't know they could treat 
> those kinds of tumors. In my cat's case it was too late when we found it but 
> I'm glad to know that in case something comes up in the future. Maureen Sent 
> from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T - Reply message - From: "Terri Brown" 
> > To: > Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 3:23 pm I used 
> interferon with Salome'. I started her on it when she was about 3 years old, 
> and I gave it to her as often as I could get a hold of it. Salome' lived to 
> be 9 1/2 years old, and she died from liver failure. Hope that helps! T 
> =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
> Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
> =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lisa Conner To: 
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:48 PM Subject: 
> [Felvtalk] Interferon Hi All, I think everyone was so hung up with this 
> politcal debate, no one saw my 2 questions on Interferon and the length of 
> years a Felv + cat has lived. Ok- so, I joined when my 9 + year old boy, 
> Prancer became very sick..literally overnight. He breathing was extremely 
> labored and I rushed him to the Emergency Vet. They said he was critical , 
> and didn’t think he was going to make it. May be best to put him to sleep 
> since he was Felv+ and needed oxygen and and his gums were pale. That night 
> they extracted 3 ½ cups of fluid from his lungs. Thank goodness, because that 
> saved his life. In the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our 
> vet thought it was his heart. He was right. The ultrasound showed a huge mass 
> tumor at the base of his heart. The vet wasn’t sure how much time Prancer 
> had, however, he said it might be a day or week, depending on how much fluid 
> built up in his lung area. Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could not 
> have him suffer as I lost my Dad to the the suffering of congestive heart 
> failure (with build up of fluid in the lungs). So, my vet believes that 
> Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, since in all his years 
> in practice, they have not seen a cat like Prancer, great health for 9 ½ 
> years, but be Fe

Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

[Maureen Olvey]

But some of the statements about the platform itself were incorrect.  So the 
platform was presented unfairly in some cases and that can be very annoying 
too.  Maybe more so than actually bashing the candidate.  Not that you or 
anyone else intentionally said things about the platform which were incorrect.  
There are things I've heard about the Democratic platform that I'm sure aren't 
true so it does happen but it's hard to debate in this forum.  It would just 
generate a whole bunch of other discussions that wouldn't go 
anywhere because getting to the truth regarding politics just doesn't happen.  
Truth and politics are two words that should never be used in the same 
sentence.  Also, I worry that if a person with a FeLV + cat joined the group 
right this minute and heard all this talk about the Republican platform and 
he/she happened to be a Republican it would be hard for them to stay on the 
list and get information that might help the cat.  Just seems fruitless and 
possibly detrimental to continue the discussions.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:10:16 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic:   President

I must respectfully disagree, this wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a 
platform on which a candidate is running is just that – no one was calling any 
candidate horrible names!  From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I don't post very often but had to 
put my 2 cents in on this topic.  I think if more people would vote for the 
person they think would do the best job instead of getting hung up on the party 
this country would be a heck of alot better.  I have voted for Republicans and 
Democrats for President.  I don't agree with getting on here and bashing 
another party.   I really don't think this is the forum for politics.  Cindy 
Reasoner

--- On Wed, 10/10/12, Maureen Olvey  wrote:
From: Maureen Olvey 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:52 AMI really think this discussion has 
turned to a Republican bashing session.  We Republicans disagree with almost 
everything you guys have said but there's no point of getting into it because 
no amount of discussion will change your mind.  And that's okay because that's 
what makes America great - we can disagree without feeling the threat of 
reprisal.  It is interesting to hear the Democratic views and what things you 
believe but some things are just not true like the supposed "war on women."  
Mitt and Paul do not have the complete authority to do some of the things 
mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go along with these kinds of things 
anyway.  But it's okay with me if that's what you believe, I just don't think 
we can intelligently debate all the facts when we are not in the "inner 
circle."  I think we've worn the topic out and nothing you guys have said will 
make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will never change your minds 
about Republicans so let's talk about something else like animal abusers and 
trying to get the death penalty for them.  Just kidding - well kind of.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain> 
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
> 
> Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!
> Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned
> Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine
> numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V.
> Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt "personhood" which will
> make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but
> promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to
> people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with
> pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status
> of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to
> m

Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

[Maureen Olvey]

I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session.  We 
Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no 
point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. 
 And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree 
without feeling the threat of reprisal.  It is interesting to hear the 
Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true 
like the supposed "war on women."  Mitt and Paul do not have the complete 
authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go 
along with these kinds of things anyway.  But it's okay with me if that's what 
you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when 
we are not in the "inner circle."  I think we've worn the topic out and nothing 
you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will 
never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else 
like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them.  Just kidding 
- well kind of.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic:   President
> 
> Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!
> Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned
> Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine
> numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V.
> Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt "personhood" which will
> make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but
> promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to
> people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with
> pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status
> of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to
> mention a few.
> An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from
> Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics!  Even
> though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do
> not meddle in people's bedrooms!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Diane Rosenfeldt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
> 
> Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
> the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
> that his predecessor did, and the "new person" is from that same party and
> has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
> read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
> from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.
> 
> Diane R.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lisa Conner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] President
> 
> Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:)   If we have the past
> 4 yours as the next 4 years,  there will be a mass revolt.
> Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country,  the division of
> our country,  we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any
> worse.  That is my 2 cents!
> 
> Now , back to our Felv + kitties.  I am fairly new to this group and joined
> because of losing my cat, Prancer.  He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy
> life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him.  So my two questions to this
> group is the following:
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

[Maureen Olvey]

Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat.  And oh boy don't I know how 
picky cats are compared to dogs!!!  Maybe she'd like sardines.  My cats like 
canned chicken too.  Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit.  
You've got to keep her eating something.  If she's still happy with Fancy Feast 
that's great.  Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good they'll 
loose weight.  Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body from 
absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like that so 
basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though they're 
eating good.
 
They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if 
she's nauseous.  One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but another 
good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name).  I heard about that 
through the feline kidney disease group.  Most of the members like the 
Ondansetron much better than Cerenia.  My vet didn't have it and he thought 
Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the other because 
the folks on the list recommended it.  You can order the Ondansetron from 
Thriving Pets website.  You just fax them your prescription.  Local pharmacies 
might have it too.  I think that's where I ended up getting it.  My cat had 
renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would have been better, 
and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if the Ondansetron 
was better than Cerenia. 
 
Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might 
not think it's enough.  Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a 
certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is enough 
to keep her happy.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She is 
losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike dogs, 
cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat burgers and 
fries.
 
The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely 
trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't 
acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass 
in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :(
 
I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so 
much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care 
of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(
 




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my prescription.
 
I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible.  
You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific going on right 
now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated.  There's some 
meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise.  Do you really 
trust this vet?  You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in 
your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her.  Hard to tell you what to do 
without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now.  Heard 
accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether 
she's having pain right now.
 
If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if 
you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked anything I could think of that he 
might really like.  We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc.  Anything he wanted or 
anything I thought he might want he got.  But most especially I held him and 
loved on him.  Same with the cats.  They got lots of extra attention.
 
 
  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 











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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

[Maureen Olvey]

It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt 
they've changed ingredients.  I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog 
multi that's bad for cats.  I found the info online though so I know it's out 
there.  Maybe what I read was wrong though.  Find out what ingredient is bad 
and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and 
tell him someone told you it was bad for cats.  I'd go back and look it up if I 
had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to 
audit the books for my company. 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working



 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 






From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products






Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is 
safe for cats.  If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, 
you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but 
not the dosage.  So you have to get the dosage correct.  With Revolution, it 
would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about 
this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea 
treatment and ask for the dose from her/him.  If your vet doesn't want to do 
that, there are FILES at  that explain dosages.  
Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of 
flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month.  I have a measuring 
syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen.  You MUST read 
labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients.  
You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or 
two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs.  I distrust the generic or 
store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to 
replace.  Sometimes, these products are NOT as good.  So you have to be careful 
or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product.  AND PLEASE, whatever 
you do, don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company that doesn't care if 
animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for 
life.




 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!










From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products




This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this 
because the subject line said "President"
The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is  .4 if the cat 
is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs

Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & 
make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG 
PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX


Beth



 
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From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President




What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list,  has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, A

Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

[Maureen Olvey]

Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the "Multi."  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat "Multi" 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is 
safe for cats.  If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, 
you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but 
not the dosage.  So you have to get the dosage correct.  With Revolution, it 
would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about 
this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea 
treatment and ask for the dose from her/him.  If your vet doesn't want to do 
that, there are FILES at  that explain dosages.  
Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of 
flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month.  I have a measuring 
syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen.  You MUST read 
labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients.  
You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or 
two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs.  I distrust the generic or 
store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to 
replace.  Sometimes, these products are NOT as good.  So you have to be careful 
or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product.  AND PLEASE, whatever 
you do, don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company that doesn't care if 
animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for 
life.




 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!










From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products




This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this 
because the subject line said "President"
The Advantage dosage I have used for years & got from my vet is  .4 if the cat 
is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs

Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. & 
make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG 
PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX


Beth



 
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From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President




What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list,  has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the 
Large Dog size. Join and look in Files.



 
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too!










From: Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


I have a cat question:  I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's 
expensive.  I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy.  
Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months.  All the cats get 
the drops.  Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? 
 The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the 
drops every month, I have to space it out.
I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes 
cats & rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried 
it?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

[Maureen Olvey]

Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my prescription.
 
I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible.  
You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific going on right 
now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated.  There's some 
meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise.  Do you really 
trust this vet?  You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in 
your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her.  Hard to tell you what to do 
without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now.  Heard 
accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether 
she's having pain right now.
 
If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if 
you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked anything I could think of that he 
might really like.  We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc.  Anything he wanted or 
anything I thought he might want he got.  But most especially I held him and 
loved on him.  Same with the cats.  They got lots of extra attention.
 
 
  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:52:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




REALLY?  Y'all think so?  I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but 
then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :)
 
Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make 
SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days.  She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed 
with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was 
exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but 
there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her 
liver, etc.  Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share
 




From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I 
joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the 
people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone  wrote:




I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.
 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to "cool down" by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

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too!

 






From: Elizabeth Malone 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 




This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deli

Re: [Felvtalk] President

[Maureen Olvey]

Without endorsing either candidate here's some thoughts I had on deciding 
between the candidates: I don't think either candidate will directly influence 
animal cruelty laws or humane practice laws.  They've got too much else to 
worry about, especially right now.  Even if they love animals it will not be 
their priority.  So, for this particular election I'm not even considering it.  
Now obviously if the candidate was a known animal abuser that would be 
different and would impact my decision.   When it comes to animal issues I tend 
to focus on the legislative branch like Congress and state reps, etc. that 
would have more influence passing legislation and laws. So, regarding animal 
welfare I'm basing my decision on who can best help me and other people help 
the animals and continue our work in animal welfare.  It's not what they will 
do, it's what they will allow me to do.  Right now the economy is a problem.  
People are losing their homes and can't keep their pets.  Donations to animal 
welfare organizations are down so they can't do as much either.  Many people 
like myself feed a bunch of feral cats.  It is hard to keep doing that when you 
can barely afford to feed your family.  I volunteer with a local humane society 
so even in our small part of the world I've seen a major increase in the number 
of pets surrendered by owners who lost their homes or just left their pets 
behind.   People have to spend more time trying to make ends meet and don't 
have time to volunteer with animal rescues etc.  Just lots of things like that. 
  Considering those kinds of things I'm looking at who can help the economy the 
most.  Each candidate has very different economic policies and very different 
approaches to boosting our economy.  So that's one thing I'm looking at hard - 
which economic policy do I think will work.  I lived in a third world country 
for two years a long time ago.  Their animals were a lot worse off than ours 
and it wasn't because the people weren't compassionate they just didn't have 
anything to be able to help their animals.  So right now I'm looking at which 
economic plan will help the country get back on it's feet so we can keep our 
pets and have time to donate and volunteer to fight for animal protection 
legislation. Healthcare is definitely something to consider but that's also 
part of the economic crisis so I'm not going to directly contribute any 
thoughts on that.   I would suggest not looking at just what the candidates say 
they will do for the animals but look at what will help us do for the animals.  
They've got too many other issues to tackle.  I'd be surprised if either one of 
them took up one animal issue whatsoever.  It's people like us who are working 
for the animals that make the difference so see what they can do for us and 
we'll do all the legwork to help the animals.  Take a look at the economic 
plans and that will help influence your decision.  I had a few basic economic 
courses in college so I understand the basics but not all the details.  I think 
if you just look at the basic models without going into too too many details it 
would be enough to make a decision. But hey, there's lots of other things to 
consider but that's where I'm at when I think about what will help the animals 
the most.
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:44:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President





Thanks for sharing that with us because I have wondered how someone in the 
healthcare industry felt about it.  
 
Speaking from the perspective of someone whose husband lost his job 3 days 
before Christmas in 2008 and all of the "promises" made by the current 
administration to help with mortgages, healthcare, etc., I'm not seeing it, nor 
were we helped in any size, shape or fashion.   With regards to healthcare, we 
were told that because I had a full time job, I could (in a nutshell) s*ck it 
up and pay out an additional $500 a month to cover my husband and his son on my 
company's insurance plan until he found a job. We were also told that we had 
too much equity in our home so we didn't qualify for any mortgage assistance 
and in the end, I simply borrowed from his and my 401K and we just made ends 
meet until 15 months later he found full time employment.
 
So, who is the better candidate?  I really don't know  :(
 
Oh and to keep on track with kitty discussions for this group and speaking of 
FeLuk, one of our kitties that we thought was feral but ended up not being 
feral, so we brought her inside was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a 
few weeks ago and she is only about 2-3 years old.  The doctor said that the 

Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight

[Maureen Olvey]

I agree about not calling AC if at all possible.  In many counties/cities it is 
illegal to feed outdoor cats and it could be that animal control will come pick 
them up.  Like she just said, feral cats are not adoptable anyway and AC has no 
time or people to work with them to try and tame them (which usually isn't 
possible anyway) so they would be killed right away.  AC wouldn't have a choice 
but to kill them because they can't have cage space taken up indefinitely by 
animals that will not ever be adopted and can't even be handled. I've been 
feeding for 11 years.  My very first feral just died a few weeks ago of renal 
lymphoma.  I'm not sure of her age but I'd been feeding her for 11 years, so 
depending on the situation sometimes it can go on forever.  Course I've lost 
some to coyotes, the highway, etc. after just a couple years.  Anyway, the few 
times I've been on vacation I bought a huge self feeder for dogs, like the 
Petmate things that hold almost a whole bag of food, and left that and it will 
last for several days or a week if raccoons and other animals aren't around to 
help eat it.  You could do that and try to find someone to check on them and 
refill the feeder every few days.  If you have the funds you could pay a pet 
sitter to do it.  They would just have to go out every 3 days or so.  Another 
thing I would suggest is calling all the local humane societies to see if they 
have a volunteer that does TNR.  Just call the rescues, not Animal Control.  
You would be surprised at how many people there are that feed ferals.  There's 
probably someone in your area doing it that you just don't know.  One other 
thing is to contact the national group called Alley Cat Allies.  They have a 
network called Feral Friends.  They can tell you if there is anyone in your 
area that you can contact to help with the ferals for that six weeks you can't 
drive.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:33:22 -0400
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
> 
> Please do NOT involve animal control.  Shelters everywhere are FULL and
> these cats will be euthanized.  Are any of them socialized (tame) or are
> they feral?  Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of
> feral cats for 10 years now.  They count on you for food. Where are you
> located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help
> while you recover.
> 
> 
> On 08-27, dot winkler wrote:
> >Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went
> >thru - I didn't see any replies.
> >I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray)
> >cat feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
> >I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6
> >weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one
> >else to feed the cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and
> >maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps
> >some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got
> >the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I also could try to help in
> >the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, how long have people
> >been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this cannot go on
> >forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't
> >find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks
> >  __
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

[Maureen Olvey]

Yeah, right - they definitely must be taking a bath!  How can they get the 
water so dirty?  Even just one raccoon makes a mess of the water.

They are cute though.  I was tossing little bits of a banana to one once and 
after the banana was gone he slowly walked up to me then bent over and sniffed 
my shoe and then walked away.  I was scared he might bite me but I was too 
curious about what he was going to do to move.  But, they can be a problem too 
when they're tearing things up and eating the cat's food and you feed 50 ferals 
a day and don't have money to feed them too.

Just read that the babies leave the home range after a certain age.  So that's 
why they disappear.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:57:27 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
> CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
> 
> I was going to say that the coons will just carry off the feeder and break it 
> open at their convenience.  I loose a lot of suet feeders that way.  My 
> outside water bowls are always dirty in the AM.  One has to wash their food 
> before eating it. I think they also take a bath before eating.
> 
> 
>  Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> > 
> > Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top 
> > of my car.  I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one 
> > night.  When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice 
> > little raccoon paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag.  
> > I didn't see any major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so 
> > I wondered if it was really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it 
> > away.  Cat paw prints are different. My suggestion - give up.  You can't 
> > beat the raccoons.  Or the opposums for that matter.  They climb trees too. 
> >  I leave extra food out when I have donated food but if not it can get 
> > expensive trying to feed the raccoons, opposums and cats.  I don't mind 
> > feeding the raccoons but I'm not rich enough to feed all the hungry mouths 
> > in GA.  I'm wondering if raccoons are transient though.  Like I read on an 
> > opposum website that they don't plant roots.  They may stick around a few 
> > days but then they move on.  I have a feeling raccoons do that also.  I 
> > need to google it.  Right now at one of my feral locations there are no 
> > raccoons coming around at night.  But at times I know there are because all 
> > the food is gone and the water is dirty.  Plus I've seen them there when I 
> > go by at night.  But for the last couple of months when I show up the next 
> > day the cats have dry food left from the day before and the water is clean. 
> >  And at my house I also will sometimes see a mama and babies.  But a month 
> > or two later I'm only seeing one or two raccoons coming around, not the 
> > mama and four babies.  Where did they go? My friend that only has a couple 
> > cats at one feeding station uses one of those food containers with a timer 
> > on it.  She feeds a certain amount in an open bowl during the day, but at 
> > 9:00 at night one side of the container opens with food and later in the 
> > night, like 2:00 am the other side opens.  That way the cats have food 
> > during the night.  But the timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a 
> > big colony.  Plus I've had raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they 
> > would carry that off too.
> > 
> > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
> > Twain
> >  Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800
> > From: khargrea...@gmail.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
> > 
> > The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree 
> > there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb.
> > 
> > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just 
> > restarted the dry food aft

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

[Maureen Olvey]

Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top of 
my car.  I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one night.  
When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice little raccoon 
paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag.  I didn't see any 
major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so I wondered if it was 
really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it away.  Cat paw prints are 
different. My suggestion - give up.  You can't beat the raccoons.  Or the 
opposums for that matter.  They climb trees too.  I leave extra food out when I 
have donated food but if not it can get expensive trying to feed the raccoons, 
opposums and cats.  I don't mind feeding the raccoons but I'm not rich enough 
to feed all the hungry mouths in GA.  I'm wondering if raccoons are transient 
though.  Like I read on an opposum website that they don't plant roots.  They 
may stick around a few days but then they move on.  I have a feeling raccoons 
do that also.  I need to google it.  Right now at one of my feral locations 
there are no raccoons coming around at night.  But at times I know there are 
because all the food is gone and the water is dirty.  Plus I've seen them there 
when I go by at night.  But for the last couple of months when I show up the 
next day the cats have dry food left from the day before and the water is 
clean.  And at my house I also will sometimes see a mama and babies.  But a 
month or two later I'm only seeing one or two raccoons coming around, not the 
mama and four babies.  Where did they go? My friend that only has a couple cats 
at one feeding station uses one of those food containers with a timer on it.  
She feeds a certain amount in an open bowl during the day, but at 9:00 at night 
one side of the container opens with food and later in the night, like 2:00 am 
the other side opens.  That way the cats have food during the night.  But the 
timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a big colony.  Plus I've had 
raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they would carry that off too.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800
From: khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, to 
live in it, so yes, they can climb.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler  wrote:

Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just restarted 
the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to trap it - it 
may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't jump or climb but 
also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this.  Dotty


From: MaiMaiPG 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
   

Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons can 
destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and 
relocate it?  
On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have noise 
at night to deter the critters!  Thanks

From: Martha Walton 

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM

 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
   
 A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, 
maybe it would help with the cat situation?


 



 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away

[Maureen Olvey]

Or diabetes.  That's another one that will do it.  Usually it's older cats that 
turn into diabetics but it does happen to younger ones occasionally.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 > Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:06:37 -0400
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away
> 
> Excellent suggestion.  Thank you.
> 
> 
> On 05-22, Lee Evans wrote:
> >Did  you test to see if he has an overactive thyroid?  This can happen
> >even  to  younger cats.  It may or may not be related to FeLv.  Please
> >have  a thyroid profile done before deciding on his fate.  Thyroid can
> >be treated with medication.  There's even an ear ointment that absorbs
> >through  the  skin of the cat's ear if the cat absolutely won't take a
> >pill.   And yes, they do eat but get thinner and thinner.  If your vet
> >didn't do a thyroid profile, ask him to do that.
> >  _
> 
> >   Original message From: Lorrie 
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:05 AM
> >   
> >I do rescue work and I have several FelV cats, and one of my
> >favorites is a long haired black male who tested positive
> >several months ago.  He is just wasting away.  He is not anemic,
> >has no tumors, but is just getting thinner and thinner. Since he
> >shows no symptoms there is nothing the vet can do to buy him a
> >bit more time, and I know he won't be with me for long. He
> >doesn't appear to be in any pain, he is just weak, thin and he
> >no longer grooms himself, but he is still eating.  I've lost
> >many FelV cats, but most had either tumors or became anemic and
> >crashed. Have any of you had FelV cats who just wasted away, and
> >do you think I should just let him die at home where he feels
> >comfortable and safe?  I hate to have him euthanized at this
> >point as it is so frightening for cats to go to the vet.  I
> >would appreciate your thoughts.
> 
> >Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

You got that right.  And they don't turn down the help or act like they don't 
need it.  It's harder to help people because half the time they won't accept 
your offers of help.  A cat or dog would never turn down charity.  You put food 
in front of them and they're going to eat and not be too prideful or act all 
offended or something like us humans have been known to do.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 From: c.mac...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:50:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?










I help both and the kitties are much more 
appreciative.
 
Chris 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  GRAS 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it 
  be?
  

  
  When people ask me 
  why I rescue cats and help animals, and why I don’t help people instead 
  (accusingly, of course), I tell them that the two are not mutually exclusive 
  and besides, there are plenty of people who help people. My question to them 
  is, “do you help people?”,  which often catches them off guard because 
  they probably don’t…
  I’m so glad that I 
  never came across a veterinarian like that, although I’ve heard of some jerks 
  like that around here….
  Natalie
  
  
  From: 
  felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen 
  Olvey
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it 
  be?
   
  
  
  Had to send this 
  again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when it does 
  that.


  
  
  
  From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: 
  RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400
  Ha, ha - I 
  love it!!!  You sound as pissed 
  off as I was.  Believe me he is on my shitlist too.  I was boiling 
  about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about 
  him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it.

I guess 
  he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't 
  know.  He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I 
  wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other 
  vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't 
  give him a chance to send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time 
  other than the fever she was doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her 
  back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some 
  weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But I think with a temperature 
  of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway.  The thing 
  is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and 
  if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even 
that 
  expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the symptoms 
  were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said 
  he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought 
  about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He 
  figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing 
  any kind of tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest 
  killing her.  BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering 
  so at that point it would have been just killing her.

I like your 
  answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
  it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals 
  so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, 
  etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though 
  it's a bad thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for 
  those folks.  It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if 
  you know what I mean!

Maureen

  
  
  
  From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: 
  Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: 
  Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
  
  
  
  What the hell is 
  wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless 
  suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just 
  that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask 
  me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is 
"because 
  I can, and that obligates me".  I make no money of course, but I spend 
  plenty. I guess

Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

I totally agree!  Many people don't have anyone else but their pet and they 
love them dearly so if you can help them with vet bills, food, or taking the 
animals if they can't keep them anymore then it means the world to them.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:55:29 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

A lot of times you ARE helping people by helping animals. When you do 
spay/neuter for low income people or take animals from people who have fallen 
on hard times & can no longer care for their animals you are helping the 
animals & the people.
Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   
From: GRAS 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 8:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
   

When people ask me why I rescue cats and help animals, and why I don’t help 
people instead (accusingly, of course), I tell them that the two are not 
mutually exclusive and besides, there are plenty of people who help people. My 
question to them is, “do you help people?”,  which often catches them off guard 
because they probably don’t…I’m so glad that I never came across a veterinarian 
like that, although I’ve heard of some jerks like that around 
here….NatalieFrom: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?  Had to send this again because it 
bounced back the first time.  I hate it when it does that.

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as
 pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on my shitlist too.  I was boiling 
about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him 
this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same
 symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with 
some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I 
didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when 
I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at 
her.  So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't 
care.  He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend 
money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't 
suggest killing her.  BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering 
so at that point it would have been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every
 now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or 
beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's probably 
better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?What the hell is wrong with this vet, 
that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel 
better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not 
tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for 
animals, the only answer I have for them is "because I can, and that obligates 
me".  I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down 
to caring enough. That vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know 
him.

Sent from my iPad that my mo

Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

I said the exact same thing to my mother-in-law.  She's a wonderful person but 
totally doesn't get the whole animal rescue thing.  She loves animals but not 
like we do.  But I think that comment from her came when we were discussing me 
giving up meat.  That was just too "radical" for her I guess.  It's the deep 
South so what can you expect?  They kill and eat anything that moves down here! 
 

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:24:05 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

When people ask me why I rescue cats and help animals, and why I don’t help 
people instead (accusingly, of course), I tell them that the two are not 
mutually exclusive and besides, there are plenty of people who help people. My 
question to them is, “do you help people?”,  which often catches them off guard 
because they probably don’t…I’m so glad that I never came across a veterinarian 
like that, although I’ve heard of some jerks like that around 
here….NatalieFrom: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it 
bounced back the first time.  I hate it when it does that.

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed 
off as I was.  Believe me he is on my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for 
days.  Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning 
and I got pissed off again thinking about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if 
he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He 
figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing 
any kind of tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest 
killing her.  BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at 
that point it would have been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad 
thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's 
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?What the hell is wrong with this vet, 
that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel 
better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not 
tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for 
animals, the only answer I have for them is "because I can, and that obligates 
me".  I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down 
to caring enough. That vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know 
him.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

[Maureen Olvey]

The monject was what this vet had too.  It worked okay but I'm going to order 
the UTW like you guys suggested.   Thanks for the link.  I'll check it out.  
Anything that helps.  I still don't know that I could do it on an adult cat.  
It was easier on this kitten because she's so small that I could handle her.  
Might have to invest in that "cat bag" that Natalie mentioned in case I ever 
need to do the adults. Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:02:15 -0700
From: cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

I've used the 20 UTW on 8 week old kittens with no probblm.  BTW I only give 
kittens 25 ml of fluids at a time.  Check with your vet for the recommended 
amount.  Some put the needles in their freezer before using.  Say they slide in 
easier. I never pre-warm the fluids..  Many do..  Just another step.  Here is a 
link to the web site that was my bible when I started giving sub q 
fluids.Sophia 
Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids 
http://www.tinyurl.com/63max   My vet only carried the monject kitty harpoons.  
Good luckSharyl 
From: Maureen Olvey 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 9:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
   





What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay or 
does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Giving sub-q fluids-I Did It!

[Maureen Olvey]

Yaay - I did it.  It went much better.   I used everyone's tips (thanks so 
much) and I went to a vet's office and bought a couple different sizes so I 
could try them.  They sold them to me individually.  I bought a 20g and a 22g.  
I ended up trying the 22 and it worked fine.  Yeah, it took a lot longer but my 
husband helped and stroked her and gave her lots of attention while we waited 
so it wasn't a big deal.  Doing it alone wouldn't have worked because she would 
have gotten tired of waiting and squirmy with just me there.  So I think I'll 
order both 20 g and 22 g since it's so cheap.  It will be nice to have both 
sizes on hand.  The 22g they sold me was only 3/4" though, but thankfully I 
didn't screw it up and it worked fine.
I really appreciate everyone's input and tips.  Made a huge difference.  My 
husband kept asking me why I was doing this or that and I kept saying that 
someone in the FeLV group said it helps.  I'll remember that suggestion about 
the hip area for the next time. But, this is the FeLV/FIP kitty so I still 
don't know if she's going to make it.  She looks a little bit more wobbly 
today.  Tonight I'll give her the 3rd dose of the new drug I'm trying so I hope 
it will help her soon.  I hope it's not too late for it to work.  All I can do 
is try.  But I feel so helpless watching her get worse and not being able to do 
much about it.  Damn FIP, and of course damn FeLV.  Maureen
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:31:14 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Giving sub-q fluids

It didn’t go through, I am erasing bottom text, and resending – it was too 
“big”. From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:14 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids When a cat is so skinny, you have 
to really pick up the skin into a tent and put the needle straight down, or 
else it can come out the other side – sure happened to me often enough with a 
very old, very thin cat.  Yes, I would try the smallest possible, if the cat is 
patient enough to sit there.  Maybe you could divide up the dosage into two 
instead of one large one?BTW, my vet told me to use the side just above the 
hip, where there’s a lot of skin and fewer nerves, less pain….lumps are less 
likely to form there than on the top of the shoulder, or try down either side 
of the shoulder, about an inch down.I’ve been doing it so much, I can do it 
blindfolded by now, and have never stabbed myself, either.Hope kitty feels 
better – the fluids really make a big difference in the way they feel.BTW – 
some of the vets use not only the 18, but it’s twice as long…horrible just to 
look at, that’s why it’s important to make sure to get the 1” needles.From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids No, she's not tiny but she's lost 
weight and barely weighs 4 lbs.  She's just so fragile.  But that big 18 gauge 
needle would hurt me so I know it hurts her.  

I don't know how much to give her.  When my vet tech friend did it Saturday she 
stopped after the lump started getting big and bothering the kitty.  It wasn't 
100 ml.  I think we talked about doing half that but when my girl got to really 
fidgeting we just stopped.

I might try the 20 gauge.  They're so cheap maybe I should get one size smaller 
too just to try it.



 
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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400





Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if 
he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He 
figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing 
any kind of tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest 
killing her.  BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at 
that point it would have been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad 
thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's 
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little 
helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do 
just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people 
ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is 
"because I can, and that obligates me".  I make no money of course, but I spend 
plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my 
shitlist and I don't even know him.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

[Maureen Olvey]

No, she's not tiny but she's lost weight and barely weighs 4 lbs.  She's
 just so fragile.  But that big 18 gauge needle would hurt me so I know 
it hurts her.  

I don't know how much to give her.  When my vet 
tech friend did it Saturday she stopped after the lump started getting 
big and bothering the kitty.  It wasn't 100 ml.  I think we talked about 
doing half that but when my girl got to really fidgeting we just 
stopped.

I might try the 20 gauge.  They're so cheap maybe I should get one size smaller 
too just to try it.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:37:21 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Yes, even the smallest needles work, they just take a lot longer. Sometimes, 
when you notice that the drip isn’t fast enough, even though you’ve opened it 
up, lift up the skin, or move the needle around.  Often, there’s a 
kink/squeezed together on the tube where it was clamped over to shut down.  
Move that whole thing up or down, and squeeze open the kink in the tube with 
your fingers by kneading it.BTW – 6 months old isn’t exactly tiny – I would go 
with a 20….when I had kittens that were only a few weeks old, I used a syringe, 
as someone mentioned.  But at this age, you definitely need to give more fluids 
than you can get into a syringe. I assume that you need to give at least 100 
mL?.If the cat is hard to handle, wrap in a towel, keep on your lap with the 
head facing toward your left under arm – that way you can control the cat with 
left arm wrapped around with hand at the cats behind, while you use right hand 
to keep on top of needle gently so it doesn’t come out if the cat moves.For 
really hard to handle cats, I use a “cat bag”; it has zippers and Velcro 
everywhere, and you open whatever part of the body you need to expose.From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
Importance: High What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does 
it work okay or does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is 
so small?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluidsMaureen,I never use those “ horse” 
needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1”, and often use 18x1” as well – it may take 
a little bit longer, but goes in a lot easier, especially for kittens.  Some 
cats have tough skin, and others have super soft skin and the needle just 
glides right in. Getting the needles from the vet gets a bit expensive and 
they’re not as sharp as the ones that I get here (no prescription needed) – a 
box of 100 is $6.45 
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html The 
company is www.thrivingpets.com Natalie From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she 
has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size.  
It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing.
 
Maureen

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profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

[Maureen Olvey]

What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay or 
does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Maureen,I never use those “ horse” needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1”, and 
often use 18x1” as well – it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot 
easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have 
super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles from 
the vet gets a bit expensive and they’re not as sharp as the ones that I get 
here (no prescription needed) – a box of 100 is $6.45 
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html The 
company is www.thrivingpets.com Natalie From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she 
has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size.  
It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing.
 
Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

[Maureen Olvey]

You got that right - kitty harpoons for sure.  I did it while ago and I just 
can't do that anymore.  It hurt her when I put it in.   Then of course it 
freaked me out which I'm sure made it worse for her.   I'll talk with my vet 
tomorrow.  Maybe he has those 20 gauge needles.  She's only like 4 lbs. and 
that needle weighs more than she does!

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 18:13:15 -0700
From: cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Maureen, I use the Terumo UTW 20 gauge needles.  UTW = ultra thin wall  A UTW 
20 will have the same flow rate as those 18 gauge kitty harpoons. I get mine 
online from Thriving Pets. Sharyl
    From: Maureen Olvey
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 8:44 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
   





For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she 
has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size.  
It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing.
 
Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  

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[Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

[Maureen Olvey]

For you guys that give sub-q fluids -  What size needle do you use?  A friend 
showed me how to do it yesterday but she has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm 
wondering if I can use a smaller size.  It's for my 6 month old kitten so I 
hate stabbing her with that huge thing. Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

Thank you so much for your good thoughts.  Several years ago I lost a feral 
that I fed to FIP.  It was the wet form so it was easy to diagnose.  It broke 
my heart then too and he didn't even live with me.  But he got so weak that I 
was able to love on him and when they euthanized him I was holding him.  That 
was my first experience with this stupid disease. I joined an FIP group 
yesterday but haven't even had time to post or look through the files very 
much.  I might join the group you're in too.  These groups are so helpful and 
I've learned so much.  Unfortunately I've learned more than I ever wanted to 
experience, if you know what I mean.  I wish I didn't have a reason to read up 
on FIP.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:23:08 -0400
From: furrygi...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

I hated to but was just about to reply suggesting that as a possibility as 
wellI am so sorry that you are dealing with FELV let alone having to 
consider FIP.   We lost the kitty we consider our first real rescue (adopted 
out to a friend) to FIP, she was the happiest, healthiest seeming kitty you 
could imagine, it broke our hearts for sure.



Thank you for loving this little girl, please keep us posted.  There is a FIP 
group, I am on it, here is a link:  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIP/

Please know that many thoughts are with you!


Heather



On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, molvey...@hotmail.com  
wrote:


I hate to say it but I have a feeling it's FIP.  I read a lot about it last 
night and she has a lot of the symptoms of the dry form.  I'll give a few more 
details later.  It breaks my heart.



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To: 
Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2012 5:35 pm



I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.

Lorrie




On 04-28, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
>I  have  a  FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven months

>old.   She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis.
> The  uveitis  never  has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not sure
>what's  going  on.   Her  back  legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not bad


>enough  that  my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it.  It's like
>she's  slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the front legs but her
>back  legs  give  way a little or something when she's walking.  She's


>eating  and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play as
>much  as  the  other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a real
>mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not


>as  playful.   I'm not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too.  The
>other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she has.
>So  any  ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in


>the back legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as
>the  others.  I don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's
>anemic or what.  A couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office


>was  okay.   I  assume this is FeLV related but before I go to the vet
>I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going on.
>Maureen


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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

That's encouraging to hear.  I'll get my PI tomorrow and will start her on it 
right away.  I really hope it helps and buys her a little more time.  If it 
doesn't at least I tried my best and that will help a little when it's time to 
let her go.  It's still going to hurt though.  She is the sweetest thing.  
She's in my lap right now.  She must know I'm talking about her. Are you using 
prednisolone too or just the PI?  Dr. Legendre didn't think I should unless 
absolutely necessary, like to get her to eat.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 From: hideyo.yamam...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:09:27 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?





One of my Felk kittens, Orphie has dry form of FIP and using the experimental 
drug "PI" - we are seeing some success treating dry from of FIP with this drug 
- pls let me know if I can do any to help.
 




To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
From: molvey...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 22:34:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

Yeah, got some updates but I'm too tired to explain.  I'll write back in the 
morning.  It does look like it's the dry form of FIP.  Getting an experimental 
drug to try.  Anyway, more later.  Thanks for asking.

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From: "Lynda Wilson" 
To: 
Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:44 pm


Maureen,

How is she today? Any updates?

Best wishes!
Lynda
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Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


> My Shadow was not FELv, he had a blood clot on his spine.  I let him out > 
> one morning and when i wnet to check on all of my cats, he could not get > 
> up.  He had been on the deck and the sun got hot, so he had drug himself > 
> into the shade.  When I tried to pick him up, he screamed.  We took him to > 
> Missouri Universtiy Vet hosp about 3 hours away.  They did and MRI and all > 
> kinds of tests.  We finally let him go because he was so old and would not > 
> have been able to make it thru surgery.
>
>  Lorrie  wrote:
>> I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
>> this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
>> in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.
>>
>> Lorrie
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

Oh no - I won't be going back to him.  Too many other vets in the area.  The 
humane society has several other vets that we use so I don't have to go back to 
him.  He's not even the cheapest vet, although his clinic does give us a good 
discount.
 
I've got some friends who are vet techs that can give her fluids if necessary.
 
I'm going to be getting some of that new drug to treat FIP.  Course I'm not 
100% sure it's FIP because we only did one of several test.  I guess there's 
other diseases that can mimic the dry form of FIP.  I just feel sure it's FIP 
though.  The newer drug is an immune stimulant so it's not going to hurt to try 
it anyway.  I'm comtemplating taking her to another vet to rule out the 
diseases that mimic FIP.  If I had a money tree in my back yard it would make 
the decision easy.  Seems like I read that toxoplasmosis can mimic some of the 
symptoms of the dry form of FIP.  I should call and check out the costs of 
whatever test they do to check for that.  
 
Course I know this new drug is not likely to help if it's FIP because she's got 
FeLV too.  Both diseases combined make her chances of survival very slim.  But 
I'll have the peace of mind knowing I tried.  She's still eating although it's 
only a little at a time.  I bought her some of that nutri-cal to give her extra 
calories.  I can tell she feels better since the fever came down.  I'm just 
spending as much time as I can with her and giving her lots of canned food and 
some chicken and other extra treats.  If it's the end for her we'll just make 
sure she goes out with a bang.
 
Thanks for your good wishes.  Since my dog died in October I'm just not ready 
for another death.  But I don't have a say in these matters.  Kind of wish I 
had stayed with dogs.  Fostering them would have been more work but cats get so 
many infectious diseases that you're constantly having your heart broken.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:06:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?








Wow! I'm so very sorry the vet 
treated you and your kitty that way. I totally agree with your statement. He 
should have let you decide if you wanted to spend the money!! 
 
Are you thinking about taking her 
somewhere else next time she needs fluids, etc? I hope her fever does not 
return 
so she can feel well enough to enjoy herself.
 
Thank goodness she has you to take 
care of her and to feel your love.
 
Bless your heart, 
Maureen!!
 
Lynda

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Maureen 
  Olvey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it 
  be?
  

  He's not even a shelter vet. He doesn't volunteer with us. He 
  just was trying to tell us how to spend our money. I know he's just being 
  logical about spending a lot of our money on a dying cat, but at the same 
time 
  I couldn't believe he didn't even care about her fever. But without anything 
  but a quick physical exam he wasn't sure it was FeLV related he just assumed 
  it was. He just basically said its a FeLV kitten and she's going to die 
anyway 
  so don't waste money on her.

I'm still pissed. Yes I know FeLV kills a 
  majority of kittens that have it but it doesn't mean you don't at least try 
to 
  help them. He should have at least wanted to see if what was wrong with her 
  had anything that could be treated and then let us know the cost and let us 
  decide whether we wanted to spend money on 
  her.

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection 
  produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain 
  which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward 
  it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking 
  further.” – Mark Twain
 

  
  
  
  From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: 
  Wed, 2 May 2012 21:42:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it 
  be?


  

  Darn those shelter vets! 
  It sure is hard to find a good one these days!! I'm so sorry that you are 
  dealing with all of this and that the poor kitty can't get a vet that cares. 
  Bless your heart for paying for tests out of your pocket. I do hope that she 
  makes it and is not suffering.
   
  Glad to hear though that 
  she is eating treats and getti

Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

Those are the kind of vets I love and respect.  It's too bad they're not all 
like that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 06:22:22 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

I'm so sorry you had this experience. My last 2 vets have treated my FeLV cats 
like any other. Treating the symptoms like they would any other cat, not 
writing everything off to FeLV. I guess I've been lucky.
Beth 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   
From: "molvey...@hotmail.com" 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
   

finally I have a quick minute to give you guys an update.

Yesterday I took the kitten to one of "those" vets.  The kind  that looks at 
her symptoms and says it all  FeLV related without doing any test. He said 
she's not going to live long and didn't want to waste the humane society's 
money by doing any tests.  I told him not to worry about it because I was 
paying for the test and I wanted him to do blood work .  So he did and she 
doesn't have anemia but her protein levels are elevated which suggests FIP, as 
I suspected .  She had a fever so I ask him to give her sub q fluids .  I have 
no idea why I had to ask for fluids and he didn't suggest it.  I guess because 
he just wanted me to let her die.  Another vet on my blacklist.   I guess it's 
just another cat to him.  Won't be seeing that SOB again.

It was important for me to get a diagnosis of FIP because I've been
 in contact with a vet at the university of  TN that is going to let me try a 
new drug for the dry form  of FIP.  It's not on the market yet but the clinical 
trials look good.  I don't know if I will get the drug in time to make a 
difference for my kitten but it's worth a try.  The drug is actually an immune 
stimulant called polyprenyl immunostimulant.  Since my kitten has FeLV in 
addition to FIP it may not help.  But she's going to die anyway so why not try 
it.

She's feeling better now that her fever is gone but she's still wobbly on her 
hind legs and now the other eye has uveitis.   I don't know how much longer she 
has.  I'm so depressed about it, but I'm giving her lots of attention and 
treats.

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Maureen,

How is she today? Any updates?

Best wishes!
Lynda
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> My Shadow was not FELv, he had a blood clot on his spine.  I let him out > 
> one morning and when i wnet to check on all of my cats, he could not get > 
> up.  He had been on the deck and the sun got hot, so he had drug himself > 
> into the shade.  When I tried to pick him up, he screamed.  We took him to > 
> Missouri Universtiy Vet hosp about 3 hours away.  They did and MRI and all > 
> kinds of tests.  We finally let him go because he was so old and would not > 
> have been able to make it thru surgery.
>
>  Lorrie 
 wrote:
>> I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
>> this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
>> in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.
>>
>> Lorrie
>>
>>
>> On 04-28, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >I  have  a  FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven >> > 
>> > months
>> >old.   She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with >> > 
>> > uveitis.
>> > The  uveitis  never  has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not >> > 
>> > sure
>> >what's  going  on.   Her  back  legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not >> > 
>> > bad
>> >enough  that  my husband has noticed yet, but I
 can see it.  It's >> > like
>> >she's  slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the front legs but >> > 
>> > her
>> >back  legs  give  way a little or something when she's walking. >> > 
>> > She's
>> >eating  and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play >> 
>> > > as
>> >much  as  the  other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a >> > 
>> > real
>> >mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's >> > 
>> > not
>> >as  playful.   I'm not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too. >> > 
>> > The
>> >other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she >> > 
>> > has.
>> >So  any
  ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly >> > in
>> >the back legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed >> 
>> > > as
>

Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

He's not even a shelter vet.  He doesn't volunteer with us.  He just was trying 
to tell us how to spend our money.  I know he's just being logical about 
spending a lot of our money on a dying cat, but at the same time I couldn't 
believe he didn't even care about her fever.  But without anything but a quick 
physical exam he wasn't sure it was FeLV related he just assumed it was. He 
just basically said its a FeLV kitten and she's going to die anyway so don't 
waste money on her.

I'm still pissed.   Yes I know FeLV kills a majority of kittens that have it 
but it doesn't mean you don't at least try to help them.  He should have at 
least wanted to see if what was wrong with her had anything that could be 
treated and then let us know the cost and let us decide whether we wanted to 
spend money on her.

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:42:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?








Darn those shelter vets! It 
sure is hard to find a good one these days!! I'm so sorry that you are dealing 
with all of this and that the poor kitty can't get a vet that cares. Bless your 
heart for paying for tests out of your pocket. I do hope that she makes it and 
is not suffering.
 
Glad to hear though that 
she is eating treats and getting your love. I know you are doing everything 
possible and I bet somehow, she knows that :)
 
I hope she gets better, I 
really do.
 
Thanks for the 
update!
Lynda

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  Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:20 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it 
  be?
  
finally I have a quick minute to give you guys an 
  update.

Yesterday I took the kitten to one of "those" vets.  The 
  kind  that looks at her symptoms and says it all  FeLV related 
  without doing any test. He said she's not going to live long and didn't want 
  to waste the humane society's money by doing any tests.  I told him not 
  to worry about it because I was paying for the test and I wanted him to do 
  blood work .  So he did and she doesn't have anemia but her protein 
  levels are elevated which suggests FIP, as I suspected .  She had a fever 
  so I ask him to give her sub q fluids .  I have no idea why I had to ask 
  for fluids and he didn't suggest it.  I guess because he just wanted me 
  to let her die.  Another vet on my blacklist.   I guess it's just 
  another cat to him.  Won't be seeing that SOB again.

It was 
  important for me to get a diagnosis of FIP because I've been in contact with 
a 
  vet at the university of  TN that is going to let me try a new drug for 
  the dry form  of FIP.  It's not on the market yet but the clinical 
  trials look good.  I don't know if I will get the drug in time to make a 
  difference for my kitten but it's worth a try.  The drug is actually an 
  immune stimulant called polyprenyl immunostimulant.  Since my kitten has 
  FeLV in addition to FIP it may not help.  But she's going to die anyway 
  so why not try it.

She's feeling better now that her fever is gone but 
  she's still wobbly on her hind legs and now the other eye has uveitis.   
  I don't know how much longer she has.  I'm so depressed about it, but I'm 
  giving her lots of attention and treats.

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Maureen,

How is she 
  today? Any updates?

Best wishes!
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Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?

[Maureen Olvey]

Oh - we went to see the opthalmologist about her uveitis.  He gave her 
azithromycin (sp?) and two kinds of eye drops.  It was prednisolone and 
neomycin eye drops.  It still hasn't gone away.  He said it could be anything, 
especially since she has FeLV, but the treatment was the same so we didn't 
waste money doing any further testing on her.  The uveitis has gotten better 
but it hasn't completely gone away and there's still some swelling behind her 
eye.  It's not nearly as red or painful anymore.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:48:08 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?








I've never heard of CH, 
thanks for the info. Diabetes is not good even though it's treatable. I do hope 
that you get more blood work done even though you stated the bloodwork was okay 
a couple of months ago. Have you noticed an increase in fluids or urination? 
Keep us posted, I will be thinking of you. You have helped me in so many ways 
in 
the past. 
 
What meds did your vet give 
for the uveitis?
 
Good luck, 
Maureen!
 
Lynda

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ter...@tazzys.org 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:43 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
  What_could_it_be?
  

  Maureen,
  She could be a CH Kitty..."Cerebellar Hypoplasia" this can happen in both 
  cats and dogs at a young age. Some are born with it. It is a Brain Neuro 
  issue. It can affect any kitty whether they are FELV or not.
  I have 2 kitties that have this as they are Siamese. One is about 6-7 
  months old and the other is a senior. 
  You can also go to facebook and look this up under this. (Cerebellar 
  Hypoplasia Kitties) I'm on the group as well. It will give you more details. 
  There is help and a great deal of knowledge.
  You can google this as well.
  My suggestion is to take the kitty to the Vet for blood-work. If the 
  blood-work comes back clean ask your Vet about this. A good Vet will make it 
  more understanding for you.
  Some animal shelters will euthanized both kittens/cats/puppies/dogs that 
  have this. They don't want to deal with a special needs animal. 
  My kitties came from out of state shelters.
  These animals can live very full lives. They just aren't normal they can 
  eat, play, sleep, and use the potty like others but slower with 
  handicaps.

  

  TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 
  98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
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  rescue
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Subject: 
[Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?
From: molvey...@hotmail.com 
Date: 
Sat, April 28, 2012 4:51 am
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

I 
have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven months old. 
 She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis. 
 The uveitis never has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not 
sure what's going on.  Her back legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not 
bad enough that my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it.  It's 
like she's slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the front legs but 
her back legs give way a little or something when she's walking.  She's 
eating and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play as 
much as the other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a real 
mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not as 
playful.  I'm not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too. 
 The other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she 
has.

So any ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting 
wobbly in the back legs.  She can still jump on things but not as 
sure-footed as the others.  I don't know if her muscles are getting 
weak or if she's anemic or what.  A couple months ago her bloodwork at 
the vet's office was okay.  I assume this is FeLV related but before I 
go to the vet I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going 
on.

Maureen


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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

She's not really walking on her "hocks" like they say diabetics do.  I haven't 
noticed a lot of drinking either.  But I'll definitely have that checked out 
just in case.  The bloodword that was done wasn't sent out to the lab.  It was 
just the real basic stuff like in the vet's office so I don't know if that 
would show diabetes or not.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:09:39 -0500
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Maureen, 
 
Get her to the vet ASAP, it 
could be diabetesI treated my cat for it for over 8 yrs. 
 
Lynda

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  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:51 
  AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it 
  be?
  
I have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or 
  seven months old.  She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with 
  uveitis.  The uveitis never has completely cleared up.  But now I'm 
  not sure what's going on.  Her back legs are kind of wobbly.  It's 
  not bad enough that my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it.  It's 
  like she's slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the front legs but 
  her back legs give way a little or something when she's walking.  She's 
  eating and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play as 
  much as the other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a real 
  mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not as 
  playful.  I'm not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too. 
   The other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she 
  has.

So any ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting 
  wobbly in the back legs.  She can still jump on things but not as 
  sure-footed as the others.  I don't know if her muscles are getting weak 
  or if she's anemic or what.  A couple months ago her bloodwork at the 
  vet's office was okay.  I assume this is FeLV related but before I go to 
  the vet I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going 
  on.

Maureen


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Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?

[Maureen Olvey]

Not sure about CH because she has just now gotten wobbly like this.  She hasn't 
always been this unsteady on her feet.  I haven't watched the video yet though. 
 I wish it was just CH because they say that doesn't progress any further. 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:11:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?

Here is a beautiful little film about a cat with 
CH.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJQG6V1MOVY Diane R. From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be? I've never heard of CH, thanks for 
the info. Diabetes is not good even though it's treatable. I do hope that you 
get more blood work done even though you stated the bloodwork was okay a couple 
of months ago. Have you noticed an increase in fluids or urination? Keep us 
posted, I will be thinking of you. You have helped me in so many ways in the 
past.  What meds did your vet give for the uveitis? Good luck, Maureen! 
Lynda- Original Message - From: ter...@tazzys.org To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:43 AMSubject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] What_could_it_be? Maureen,She could be a CH Kitty..."Cerebellar 
Hypoplasia" this can happen in both cats and dogs at a young age. Some are born 
with it. It is a Brain Neuro issue. It can affect any kitty whether they are 
FELV or not.I have 2 kitties that have this as they are Siamese. One is about 
6-7 months old and the other is a senior. You can also go to facebook and look 
this up under this. (Cerebellar Hypoplasia Kitties) I'm on the group as well. 
It will give you more details. There is help and a great deal of knowledge.You 
can google this as well.My suggestion is to take the kitty to the Vet for 
blood-work. If the blood-work comes back clean ask your Vet about this. A good 
Vet will make it more understanding for you.Some animal shelters will 
euthanized both kittens/cats/puppies/dogs that have this. They don't want to 
deal with a special needs animal. My kitties came from out of state 
shelters.These animals can live very full lives. They just aren't normal they 
can eat, play, sleep, and use the potty like others but slower with handicaps. 
TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescueDedicated to the welfare of animals. 
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Subject: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?
From: molvey...@hotmail.com 
Date: Sat, April 28, 2012 4:51 am
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

I have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven months old.  She's 
the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis.  The uveitis never 
has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not sure what's going on.  Her back 
legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not bad enough that my husband has noticed yet, 
but I can see it.  It's like she's slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the 
front legs but her back legs give way a little or something when she's walking. 
 She's eating and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play as 
much as the other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a real mellow and 
loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not as playful.  I'm 
not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too.  The other kitten her age, not 
related, has grown much faster than she has.

So any ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in the back 
legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as the others.  I 
don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's anemic or what.  A 
couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office was okay.  I assume this is 
FeLV related but before I go to the vet I'd like to be prepared and have some 
ideas of what's going on.

Maureen


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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Maureen Olvey]

I don't like the sound of this.  What happened?  Did the kittens die shortly 
after they lost use of their back legs?  Did you ever find out what causes it?  
I've been telling myself that she'll probably die young and not to be surprised 
if it happens before she's a year old but I can't help but love her and want to 
keep her around as long as possible.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:35:27 -0400
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
> 
> I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
> this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
> in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
> On 04-28, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >I  have  a  FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven months
> >old.   She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis.
> > The  uveitis  never  has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not sure
> >what's  going  on.   Her  back  legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not bad
> >enough  that  my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it.  It's like
> >she's  slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the front legs but her
> >back  legs  give  way a little or something when she's walking.  She's
> >eating  and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play as
> >much  as  the  other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a real
> >mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not
> >as  playful.   I'm not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too.  The
> >other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she has.
> >So  any  ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in
> >the back legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as
> >the  others.  I don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's
> >anemic or what.  A couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office
> >was  okay.   I  assume this is FeLV related but before I go to the vet
> >I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going on.
> >Maureen
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[Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

[Maureen Olvey]

A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and one 
has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last couple of 
days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or lethargic.  
Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or is this the end 
for him? Maureen

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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

[Maureen Olvey]

Thanks.  Yeah the vet feels like it is systemic rather than the injury itself 
since that has healed.  Poor baby.  She pulls away some when I give her the eye 
meds but not as bad as when she's getting the liquid antibiotics shoved down 
her throat.  She acts like I'm killing her then.  So I don't think her eye is 
extremely painful just judging by her reaction to the eye meds.  Haven't seen 
her pawing at the eye or anything either.  I hope she doesn't lose the eye.  He 
talked about sending her to a vet opthamologist (sp?) if it's not better when 
he re-checks her in 10 days.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:14:42 -0700
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

Oh yes..but in the rescues or just neutered, any type of stress would lower the 
inmune system so oportunistic infections like  eye infections occur.
 
Uveitis is more serious, it is a symptom not a disease. And it is very, very 
painful. The eye is reddened as irritated and it is swollen, might or no have a 
discharge. Last FeLV+ I had got uveitis in her last days when she was very ill, 
I put her down shortly after because she was in so much pain and had gone 
blind, so as for her I didn't do anything. I had a FIV+ that had uveitis on and 
off in his last month, he had other infections so was treated for that and with 
Interpheron to bring down the swelling. My cat that had glaucoma also developed 
uveitis and had to have surgery.
Like I said it is a very painful condition, I suppose Interferon can do 
something, abx would only act against infections, which she'd be prone to if 
she has FeLV..all the best to your lil' girlie
Marta

 
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Aw! Poor kitty! I hate to hear of this!  I've actually had it myself. In my 
personal experience, it was painful and I was very sensitive to light. I had 
steroid drops but don't recall the name of the RX.  It sounds like you have 
enough meds to hopefully improve the redness and irritation to her eye. I wish 
I could tell you more because you are always so helpful to me.
 
Keep me posted ~ Best wishes too!!
Lynda

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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Uveitis


Anyone ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)?  My FeLV kitten had a 
scratch or something in her eye but that is healed but her eye is still really 
red and irritated.  The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the irritation and 
redness to continue.  Right now she's taking Baytril and Clavamox, Interferon 
Alpha, and Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment in the eye.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

[Maureen Olvey]

I'm not getting doubles.  Of course I don't read every single post anymore but 
it doesn't look like I get doubles from the same person.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:27:15 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis



Has anyone noticed that we get “double” mailings? From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis I have had a kitten with a severely scratched 
cornea.  After treatment for a week the eye continued to not heal and 
ultimately the eye was surgically removed.  After that it healed well.  Her eye 
was in really bad shape though.  Corneal abrasions generally heal quickly, but 
with felv it may hinder the healing.   I would recommend vitamin c  (mega c can 
be order via internet and works well) as well as colloidal silver (mesosilver 
is a good quality colloidal silver) and finally tonic (a herbal mixture of four 
herbs that promote healing and support the immune system - a great group for 
advice on this is group 2053 - I can give you the email address if you're 
interested).  Oh wait one more thing - standard process has an immune support 
supplement that you could add as well as a whole body support supplement if 
you're interested.  There are a host of choices - personally I'd start with 
mega c and silver as the vitamin c helps with wound healing and silver both 
helps with wound healing and is a great antimicrobial. Good luck. Jenny On Mon, 
Mar 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maureen Olvey  wrote:Anyone 
ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)?  My FeLV kitten had a scratch or 
something in her eye but that is healed but her eye is still really red and 
irritated.  The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the irritation and redness to 
continue.  Right now she's taking Baytril and Clavamox, Interferon Alpha, and 
Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment in the eye.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

[Maureen Olvey]

Thanks Lynda.  The flurbiprofen is a human drug and the vet said it was for 
inflammation so I wonder if that is what you had.  He didn't say whether it was 
a steroid or not though.  What caused your uveitis?  Has it ever returned?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:09:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis










Aw! Poor kitty! I hate to hear of 
this!  I've actually had it myself. In my personal experience, it was 
painful and I was very sensitive to light. I had steroid drops but don't recall 
the name of the RX.  It sounds like you have enough meds to hopefully 
improve the redness and irritation to her eye. I wish I could tell you more 
because you are always so helpful to me.
 
Keep me posted ~ Best wishes 
too!!
Lynda

  - Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Maureen 
  Olvey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:13 
  AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Uveitis
  

  Anyone ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)?  My FeLV 
  kitten had a scratch or something in her eye but that is healed but her eye 
is 
  still really red and irritated.  The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the 
  irritation and redness to continue.  Right now she's taking Baytril and 
  Clavamox, Interferon Alpha, and Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment 
in 
  the eye.


“I 
  am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
  profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
  unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
  sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
  Twain

  
  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

[Maureen Olvey]

Actually after one week of treatment with terramycin and clavamox and 
flurbiprofen the vet did an eye stain and the scratches had healed.  It wasn't 
actually a corneal abrasion I don't think, just some minor scratches.  Not all 
eye injuries affect the cornea right?  That was my understanding anyway but I 
could be wrong since I don't completely understand the anatomy of the eye.  But 
he said it's all healed.  Actually I read that just having FeLV can cause 
uveitis so that's why the vet is assuming it is still irritated. We're using 
the interferon alpha to boost her immune system.  Since the eye has healed 
should I bother with Vitamin C and silver?  Also I'm giving her lysine even 
though this isn't herpes related.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:43:21 -0500
From: jb...@tds.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

I have had a kitten with a severely scratched cornea.  After treatment for a 
week the eye continued to not heal and ultimately the eye was surgically 
removed.  After that it healed well.  Her eye was in really bad shape though.  
Corneal abrasions generally heal quickly, but with felv it may hinder the 
healing.  

 
I would recommend vitamin c  (mega c can be order via internet and works well) 
as well as colloidal silver (mesosilver is a good quality colloidal silver) and 
finally tonic (a herbal mixture of four herbs that promote healing and support 
the immune system - a great group for advice on this is group 2053 - I can give 
you the email address if you're interested).  Oh wait one more thing - standard 
process has an immune support supplement that you could add as well as a whole 
body support supplement if you're interested.  There are a host of choices - 
personally I'd start with mega c and silver as the vitamin c helps with wound 
healing and silver both helps with wound healing and is a great antimicrobial.

 
Good luck.
 
Jenny 


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maureen Olvey  wrote:



Anyone ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)?  My FeLV kitten had a 
scratch or something in her eye but that is healed but her eye is still really 
red and irritated.  The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the irritation and 
redness to continue.  Right now she's taking Baytril and Clavamox, Interferon 
Alpha, and Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment in the eye.



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profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


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[Felvtalk] Uveitis

[Maureen Olvey]

Anyone ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)?  My FeLV kitten had a 
scratch or something in her eye but that is healed but her eye is still really 
red and irritated.  The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the irritation and 
redness to continue.  Right now she's taking Baytril and Clavamox, Interferon 
Alpha, and Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment in the eye.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain   
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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

[Maureen Olvey]

I thought he did take in ferals at his ranch.  Ones that were pulled from 
animal control or had to be relocated.  Heard that years ago so I'm not sure.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:17:08 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links



I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.Yes, one should expect cats at such a 
ranch to be provided with medical care!I can’t even imagine how many people are 
required to seriously care for 700 cats!Natalie From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links 
<> You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony 
has a feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not 
housecats.Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals or 
not. If feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, education 
goes so far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at least the cat 
is neutered now and won't be making more. If possible I take in the cat, list 
as found and if it is not claimed I put him up for adoption_taking in all tame 
cats is just not possible but I do try to bring in the declaweds and kittens._ 
I don't just abandon the cat out there, I make sure it has shelter and a 
feeder.I know very well this is considered cruel by a sector of the pop and 
that's ok, we all have a right to our opinion.  But I don't understand how this 
fits with Caboodle, you mean because he had all these cats roaming the property 
and they weren't taken care of? If so I would say that since he said Caboodle 
was a sanctuary that implies the cats are to be taken care of, if sick taken to 
a vet etc._Very different from a feral colony where the intentions are the same 
but  nobody wants a colony of sick cats and yet there are ferals that will die 
rather than walk in a trap; I know I had one of these. We tried for half a year 
to trap him and in his last months it was evident that he would have had to be 
euthanized. We just could not, and one day we found him dead. It happens often 
and makes caretakers feel awful. A sanctuary OTOH is expected to treat each and 
every cat. A sanctuary is not just a place to leave a pet, walk away and forget 
all about it. That is why a person is expected to fund the cat care. Granted 
some of the cats could have been dumped at the place and no money to support 
them. But it wasn't the majority, and if CG couldn't afford them did he ask 
rescues to take them? I don't know that, I can't side with either story but 
just wanted to comment on that remark abt TNR and how it fit with the CR 
situation, I think it doesn't.Martahttp://homelessnomore.webs.com/
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Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?

[Maureen Olvey]

Get him to the vet.  Could be several things but the heavy breathing isn't 
good.  I had a 2 year old that had a tumor in her chest and it ruptured.  We 
didn't know she had FeLV because she tested negative as a kitten.  Anyway the 
tumor which is usually caused by FeLV, ruptured her heart so she was bleeding 
into her chest.  They couldn't stop it.  
 
There are several other things that can cause that kind of heavy breathing but 
they all need to be dealt with quickly and by a vet so I suggest getting him 
there as soon as you can.  They may need to do an x-ray to see what's going on.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:12:00 -0800
From: rash...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?



Hi - I'm new and have been reading the threads but I don't seen anything that 
addresses my situation. We have an 8 month old kitty that tested positive for 
FIV (or was it FELV?) at a young age, and we plan to get him retested. He has 
been healthy, playful and had a great appetite. A few weeks ago, however, he 
started eating less and less of his kibble, which we attributed to him wanting 
only the wet food we were giving to the dog. So we kept mixing a little into 
his kibble but he was eating less but was otherwise fine. Then we went away 
over the weekend and came back to find him very lethargic and breathing very 
heavy - not making a lot of noise with the breathing, but we can see his lungs 
expanding and contracting a great deal and very quickly.  He won't eat, except 
he ate some of his favorite treats.  We had someone (who he doesn't know) 
staying at our house Friday and then a person (who he knows) stopping in on 
Saturday and Sunday. They said he didn't eat much. No mucous, no sneezing.  
Sound like anything you have experienced?

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Maureen Olvey]

Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find one that knows 
more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence.  Find one 
that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and 
treating FeLV.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)







No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
for me thank you tina an kids
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Maureen Olvey]

No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
for me thank you tina an kids
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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[Maureen Olvey]

Oops - my first e-mail got returned too so here it is again.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Smokey
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:34:08 -0500





I do a lot of TNR on feral cats.  I would return the 8 month old kittens to 
your workplace.  It's not terrible and that's what is recommended for most 
feral cats.  They will do better returning to their home rather than trying to 
move them.  Most feral cats that are relocated will run away to try to find 
their way back home.  That can be even worse than where they live.  Sometimes 
for various reasons there is no choice but to relocate but it's usually the 
very last option for me.  It is very hard to find homes for older feral kittens 
and cats.  Taming is possible but it would probably take a long long time, like 
a year or more, and from my experience even then they will always be a little 
skittish around everyone but the person who tamed them.  I've had some older 
kittens that tamed within a few months but most of my older feral kittens have 
never totally tamed.  It mostly depends on their personality.  I've even got 
one living with me right now that is about 10 years old.  I've been feeding him 
since he was a kitten.  Last year he almost died so I brought him home to heal 
and then I didn't want to put him back out so he stayed here.  While he was 
sick and confined I was able to pet him but as soon as I gave him freedom of 
the house he went back to being feral and I still can't pet the little turd.  
After 10 years of me feeding him and living with me for over a year he won't 
get within a few feet of me.  I just laugh about it.  Like I said, their 
personality has a lot to do with it, but in general taming an older feral 
kitten will be difficult to say the least.
 
Yes, the shelter will euthanize.  They cannot adopt them out since most people 
come to get a cat they can pet so they have no choice but to euthanize.  
 
Don't feel bad about having to return them to their home.  It's sad but 
sometimes there's no other choice.  You have to be prepared because it's 
dangerous for them to live outside like that and some don't live long lives but 
lots of times there's nothing else than can be done for them but to take good 
care of them for their short lives.  However, I do have some feral cats that 
I've been feeding for about 11 years.  Getting them fixed will greatly extend 
their life span.  They won't fight and get infections which will kill them and 
they won't roam for miles looking for a mate.  You did a great service for them 
by trapping them and fixing them so you should commend yourself.  I do.  
Anybody that can and will do that for a feral is a good person in my book.
 
If it seems the cancer has definitely spread for Smokey you should give the 
salve and tonic a try.  It's really cheap compared to most natural cancer 
curing stuff that doesn't even work and worth a shot.  If nothing else it could 
make him feel better and extend his life some extra months.
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 05:27:34 -0800
From: reasoner37...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey






I have never heard of this black salve.  Does it really help?  Where can I get 
more information on it and the group?  I should get the pathology results back 
in a few days.  I have felt a couple of very small knots on other parts of his 
body so I am afraid it has spread.  The vet did take out a couple of lymph 
nodes too.  I just can't get over how big this one was & how I could have 
missed it until now.  The vet told me that this one will come back and he was 
afraid it would be pretty soon.  He said there was no reason to try to remove 
it or any others because they would just come back.  I plan on spoiling him for 
however long he has left.  When he seems like his quality of life isn't good 
anymore then I will let him go.  Right now he is eating and playing.  He 
doesn't act like anything is wrong.  I am so stressed out right now.  I trapped 
a mom cat and her 2 kittens(although they are about 8 months old) and had them 
spayed.  I found a home for the mom cat but I still have the kittens which are 
feral and I can't find a home for them.  They came from my work so I don't know 
anything else to do but take them back to work and let them
 live there & me keep feeding them.  Does that so

Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[Maureen Olvey]

I'll let Natalie talk to you about this since she has the most experience.  
It's not something you can get off the shelf in a store.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:01:30 -0600
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
> CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
> 
> What is the name of the salve and tonic?  Would like to have some on hand 
> just in case.
> 
>  Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> > 
> > From my limited amount of experience with this black salve and tonic, I 
> > would recommend it.  I wouldn't hesitate to try it again on any of my 
> > animals that had cancer.
> > 
> > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
> > Twain
> > 
> > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:42:29 -0500
> > From: g...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Would anyone with a cat or dog that has had cancer removed be interested in 
> > a black salve that would get to the rest of the tentacles that the vet may 
> > not have been able to remove? It’s not expensive, but you would have to 
> > join a group where you would get advice from people who have used it and 
> > lots of moral support, too.  It is for people and animals…there’s also an 
> > herbal tonic for cancer, you get the herbs, brew up the tonic, etc. REALLY 
> > WORKS!  In cases after surgery, the salve would be able to reach the 
> > interior through the incisions.Natalie From: 
> > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:50 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey Cindy - So sorry to hear about Smokey.  I 
> > have a friend who had this with her dog. She had the 1st tumor removed, but 
> > it kept spreading. She just kept him going as long as he was still happy & 
> > not suffering.Give him lots of love. He has done remarkable living this 
> > long with this awful virus. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! 
> > www.Furkids.org  From: cindy reasoner 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:11 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Smokey
> > It has been a very long time since I have posted anything.  I first found 
> > this site when my Smokey tested positive for feline leukemia.  He had a 
> > hard time at the beginning with fevers but we finally got that under 
> > control.  He has gone over 6 years with no problems or sickness.  The other 
> > day I felt a very large knot on his left front leg.  I took him to the vet 
> > to get it checked out.  He thought it was probably cancer.  He removed it 
> > today but he couldn't get all of it.  He described it as having tenticles 
> > going in all different directions.  He is sending it off to be sure it is 
> > cancer and what type.  I have never dealt with this before and Smokey's 
> > outlook seems pretty grave.  Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Cindy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger; virus in bone marrow

[Maureen Olvey]

I'm a little confused.  I thought the FeLV virus gets into the bone marrow of 
every cat that is not able to extinguish the virus.  The virus gets into the 
blood stream then progresses to the bone marrow.  From there the virus will 
replicate in the white blood cells and the cat will stay persistantly viremic 
or it will become dormant in the bone marrow.  The bone marrow is where the 
virus resides in every positive cat isn't it?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:06:02 -0800
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger; virus in bone marrow

.. I want to tell you what hapenned to us with our FeLV+ Jourdan. On Thurs vet 
though virus was in the bone marrow. Sat she was very poor but she was holding 
her own. By Mon one of her eyes looked very strange so I went to get things 
ready to get her to vet, drove her there, less than 10 mts. We got her out of 
carrier, set on table, when vet came in she reared her head up and stared at 
them. Both her eyes were completly white, looked like something out of a horror 
movie. Vet said the virus would have gotten in her brain and made her blind, 
she was in lots of pain so we helped her along. But did I wish I had done it 
before..
I'm not saying same will happen to Ginger but we don't know. If virus is in the 
bone marrow it is very bad and she's really suffering. Whatever you do will be 
the best decision
Sending a big hug
Marta
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[Maureen Olvey]

>From my limited amount of experience with this black salve and tonic, I would 
>recommend it.  I wouldn't hesitate to try it again on any of my animals that 
>had cancer.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:42:29 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey



Would anyone with a cat or dog that has had cancer removed be interested in a 
black salve that would get to the rest of the tentacles that the vet may not 
have been able to remove? It’s not expensive, but you would have to join a 
group where you would get advice from people who have used it and lots of moral 
support, too.  It is for people and animals…there’s also an herbal tonic for 
cancer, you get the herbs, brew up the tonic, etc. REALLY WORKS!  In cases 
after surgery, the salve would be able to reach the interior through the 
incisions.Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey Cindy - So sorry to hear about Smokey.  I have a 
friend who had this with her dog. She had the 1st tumor removed, but it kept 
spreading. She just kept him going as long as he was still happy & not 
suffering.Give him lots of love. He has done remarkable living this long with 
this awful virus. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  From: 
cindy reasoner 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Smokey
It has been a very long time since I have posted anything.  I first found this 
site when my Smokey tested positive for feline leukemia.  He had a hard time at 
the beginning with fevers but we finally got that under control.  He has gone 
over 6 years with no problems or sickness.  The other day I felt a very large 
knot on his left front leg.  I took him to the vet to get it checked out.  He 
thought it was probably cancer.  He removed it today but he couldn't get all of 
it.  He described it as having tenticles going in all different directions.  He 
is sending it off to be sure it is cancer and what type.  I have never dealt 
with this before and Smokey's outlook seems pretty grave.  Any opinions would 
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[Maureen Olvey]

Depending on how far it has spread and whether it has metatisized, amputating 
the leg might be an option.  Cats and dogs do great on three legs.  We had a 
cat in our rescue recently who had to have her leg removed all the way up like 
to the hip.  They didn't leave a nub or anything.  Looked like she had never 
bee born with a leg.  Kind of weird looking but you couldn't tell the 
difference at all in how she acted and played.  Actually she had had some pain 
in her leg before they removed it so once it was gone then she felt even better 
and became more playful.  Like I said, it may not be possible for various 
reasons but if the vet says it would work and it's the only thing that would 
get rid of the cancer then I would go for it. 

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 13:50:02 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

Cindy -
So sorry to hear about Smokey.  I have a friend who had this with her dog. She 
had the 1st tumor removed, but it kept spreading. She just kept him going as 
long as he was still happy & not suffering.Give him lots of love. He has done 
remarkable living this long with this awful virus.
Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   
From: cindy reasoner 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:11 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Smokey
   

It has been a very long time since I have posted anything.  I first found this 
site when my Smokey tested positive for feline leukemia.  He had a hard time at 
the beginning with fevers but we finally got that under control.  He has gone 
over 6 years with no problems or sickness.  The other day I felt a very large 
knot on his left front leg.  I took him to the vet to get it checked out.  He 
thought it was probably cancer.  He removed it today but he couldn't get all of 
it.  He described it as having tenticles going in all different directions.  He 
is sending it off to be sure it is cancer and what type.  I have never dealt 
with this before and Smokey's outlook seems pretty grave.  Any opinions would 
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Maureen Olvey]

Natalie,

It could be that Mr. Tux had the FeLV virus but it was dormant.  When it is 
dormant they won't test positive on either test and they can't spread it.  
Maybe the stress of changing homes re-activated the virus.  If that was the 
case then none of your cats have been exposed to it.  Let's hope it was 
something like that so none of your cats have been exposed and they will all be 
negative.

Maureen

> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:30:30 -0500
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> 
> Yes, alwsys retest on a positive SNAP test, but there seems to be a lot of 
> people who think a negstive IFA means the cat is negative. Thats just as 
> scary as people not understanding to always retest a positive.
> 
> GRAS  wrote:
> 
> >"A positive Elisa & a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive" - Yes, UNLESS
> >the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
> >with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
> >negative) and then go from there
> >Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
> >last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
> >really wonder!
> >Natalie
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> >Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> >
> >Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa & a negative IFA means the Cat IS
> >positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
> >why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
> >means the cat may still throw off the virus.
> >It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
> >clueless when it comes to this virus. 
> >Hoping for the best for your babies.
> >Beth
> >
> >GRAS  wrote:
> >
> >>Hi, everyone:
> >>
> >>OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what 
> >>happened to me, based on the note below:
> >>
> >>If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was 
> >>diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a 
> >>home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him 
> >>being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I 
> >>joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in 
> >>June, they were negative.  I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I 
> >>operate a cat rescue group from our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in
> >September (euthanized), and Mr.
> >>Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home 
> >>where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, 
> >>Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The 
> >>woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately 
> >>tested him ELISA & IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already 
> >>in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old 
> >>daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm,
> >the other cat, Riley, at her side.
> >>The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very 
> >>sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux 
> >>went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a 
> >>dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been 
> >>exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June.  Since the youngest and 
> >>oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 
> >>6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us.  We 
> >>also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing 
> >>renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 
> >>temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown 
> >>reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of
> >104.4 temperature.
> >>
> >>I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The 
> >>"middle class" will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, 
> >>I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing 
> >>research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I 
> >>have to cook for them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural
> >Cat and Dr.
> >>Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
> >>Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe 
> >>there's some advice ion there.
> >>
> >>The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even 
> >>if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means 
> >>that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests 
> >>positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is 
> >>nega

Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine

[Maureen Olvey]

What's funny is only a very very small population of the animals actually have 
rabies.  The Bat Conservation website said that less than 1% of bats are 
actually carrying the virus at any one time.  Course rabies is fatal and there 
is no cure or treatment once the virus is past a certain point so it is 
something that has to be taken seriously.  But still the lack of knowledge has 
made people hate and fear some of the animals like raccoons and bats.  Here in 
GA as soon as I mention the raccoons coming around and eating my feral cat's 
food I hear "Oh raccoons carry rabies and you have to stay away from them."  
It's crazy the number of people that have said that to me.There's the 
assumption that most raccoons carry rabies.  There was this guy that was 
feeding one of my feral cats during the week because he worked at the business 
where the cat was at.  He said one day a raccoon came up to their open 
warehouse door and looked in and everyone just knew the raccoon had rabies.  I 
explained that raccoons are curious and just because you saw one in the daytime 
it didn't mean it had rabies.  But his boss wanted him to move the feeding 
station so that the raccoons would not be coming near them.  Actually he told 
the guy not to feed the cat anymore but we got around that.  Point being that 
one glance at a raccoon in the daytime struck fear in those men.

> From: maima...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:59:59 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
> 
> According to Fish and Wildlife, there is no way to treat wild  
> raccoonsno comment.
> On Jan 5, 2012, at 5:56 PM, GRAS wrote:
> 
> > That's right, and looking at them, you can't tell which it is - but  
> > without
> > treatment, it kills them just like rabies does.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 3:13 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
> >
> > To make matters worse, raccoons get canine distemper which a lot of  
> > people
> > assume is rabies and...
> > On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, GRAS wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, in my haste to write, I made a mistake: I meant VIRGINIA!
> >> They hunters did that in  the late 80s, so the big rabies outbreak in
> >> the East happened in the early 90s, almost all the raccoons were
> >> killed, whether sick or not.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
> >> Baronda
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:29 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
> >>
> >> Damn hunters!! That makes me sick. And sooo lame.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with,
> >> Christmas 2010.
> >>
> >> On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:05 AM, GRAS  wrote:
> >>
> >>> The Mid-Atlantic strain of rabies was brought to the East by  
> >>> hunters,
> >>> after destroying local raccoons, wanted more raccoons to kill, so
> >>> they brought them from Virginal and surrounding states.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:43 AM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
> >>>
> >>> I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other
> >>> rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the
> >>> heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest
> >>> region of raccoons carrying rabies!
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I
> >>>> live in
> >>> th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that
> >>> can pass rabbies on.  I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i
> >>> I don't.
> >>>>  Lorrie  wrote:
> >>>>> I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac.
> >>>>> and then giving the 3 year vac a

Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine

[Maureen Olvey]

Also, there's that group that is doing the research about how long a rabies 
vaccine is actually good for.  Their website has lots of info too like about 
the rodents not carrying rabies and why.  It also talks about things like that 
the rabies virus can be in an animal's system for months but it's only 
contagious at the very last stage when the animal starts going beserk.  At that 
last stage the animal will die in less than 10 days.  That's why if your dog 
bites someone they only have a 10 day quarantine period.  I learned a lot from 
that one website.  Wish I could remember the name of the group but I'm sure if 
you google rabies it will come up.

> From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:26:49 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
> 
> Oh, Thank you for the info. I'm going to do some reading on this(-:
> 
> Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 
> 2010. 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, GRAS  wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, in my haste to write, I made a mistake: I meant VIRGINIA!
> > They hunters did that in  the late 80s, so the big rabies outbreak in the
> > East happened in the early 90s, almost all the raccoons were killed, whether
> > sick or not.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:29 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
> > 
> > Damn hunters!! That makes me sick. And sooo lame.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
> > 2010. 
> > 
> > On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:05 AM, GRAS  wrote:
> > 
> >> The Mid-Atlantic strain of rabies was brought to the East by hunters, 
> >> after destroying local raccoons, wanted more raccoons to kill, so they 
> >> brought them from Virginal and surrounding states.
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:43 AM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
> >> 
> >> I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other 
> >> rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the 
> >> heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest 
> >> region of raccoons carrying rabies!
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >> On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM,  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I 
> >>> live in
> >> th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can 
> >> pass rabbies on.  I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't.
> >>>  Lorrie  wrote: 
> >>>> I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac.
> >>>> and then giving the 3 year vac a year later.
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote:
> >>>>> I  think  I  might  have mentioned it to you guys before but in 
> >>>>> case I  didn't,  studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies 
> >>>>> vaccinations  will  provide immunity for at least 4 years.  
> >>>>> Interesting huh?  I need  to  check  out  that group again to see 
> >>>>> if they've found anything else  out  or if it actually last longer 
> >>>>> than the 4 years even.  I know they  were doing more research studies.
> >>>>> Will  most  vets give the 3 year one to a kitten?  Most vets I've 
> >>>>> been  to  recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and 
> >>>>> then the  next  year they get the 3 year one.
> >>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] News from Winn Foundation on Possible Treatment of FeLV

[Maureen Olvey]

This is very encouraging.  I hope it turns out to be a wonder drug that could 
save a lot of lives.  Keep praying.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:02:30 -0800
From: cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] News from Winn Foundation on Possible Treatment of FeLV



Just saw this article.
Treatment for feline leukemia virus 
http://winnfelinehealth.blogspot.com/2012/01/treatment-for-feline-leukemia-virus.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CatHealthNewsFromTheWinnFelineFoundation+%28Cat+Health+News+from+the+Winn+Feline+Foundation%29
 
Feline leukemia virus is a retrovirus of cats that can cause cancer, anemia and 
immunosuppression. Currently, no effective treatment for FeLV infection exists. 
These researchers investigated the usefulness of an anti-retroviral drug called 
raltegrevir that was developed for treatment of HIV in humans. The researchers 
tested the drug in a laboratory setting for potential toxicity to feline cells, 
as well as the ability to inhibit the replication of FeLV in these cells. It 
was found that, at least in cell culture, this drug inhibited virus replication 
and did not cause toxic changes to the feline cells. The researchers speculate 
that this drug could be used to reduce virus replication in FeLV-infected cats 
to the point that their own immune system could eliminate the virus, 
effectively curing the infection. Many more studies are needed, but this 
research offers a promising first step. [MK]
 
Will be something we will definitely want to follow
 
Sharyl

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Maureen Olvey]

Oh, that makes sense.  Thanks for the explanation.  I had heard that the one 
year and the three year shots were the same but I didn't understand why the 
shots were a different price and the vets talk like it's a different shot.

I might start asking for the Purevax without the adjuvant for my cats.  I 
didn't really know there was an option so that's also helpful information.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
From: lernermiche...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:22:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



 the 1 year and 3 year shots are the same shot. the recommendations just 
require a booster 1 year after the first shot, so the first time it's calle 1 
year and thereafter 3 year.



there is a less common brand called purevax that is only approved for every 
year versus every 3 years. it's only if you get that one that it's different 
than a 3 year. i get that for my cats because it does not have the adjuvant 
that can cause tumors. But I avoided vaccinating my positives entirely. They 
had one rabies and initial distemper when they came to me and i left it at 
that. when i moved and had to license i got a vet exemption letter due to 
health.



Michelle






 






 






-Original Message-


From: Maureen Olvey 


To: felvtalk 


Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:16 pm


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



















I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, 
studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide 
immunity for at least 4 years.  Interesting huh?  I need to check out that 
group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last 
longer than the 4 years even.  I know they were doing more research studies.





Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten?  Most vets I've been to 
recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year 
they get the 3 year one.  I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm 
just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it.  Then again, I'll 
probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't 
really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter.







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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Maureen Olvey]

I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, 
studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide 
immunity for at least 4 years.  Interesting huh?  I need to check out that 
group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last 
longer than the 4 years even.  I know they were doing more research studies.

Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten?  Most vets I've been to 
recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year 
they get the 3 year one.  I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm 
just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it.  Then again, I'll 
probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't 
really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:06:22 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



When you do, get the 3-yr rabies; my vet says there’s no longer of any danger 
as there used to be. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Figure the chances of 
something biting her and that the something might be rabid and might pass that 
on to her vs possible issues with the vaccine.  Remembering of course that she 
is young and compromised as is.On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote:


Good point.

All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten.  I 
hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies 
shot.  She's about four and a half months old right now.  Do you think I should 
get one for her?  She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she 
can't get out.  It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I 
guess, but not likely.  I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in 
case.  What do you guys think?  I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not 
worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary 
vaccinations.  Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
TwainFrom: maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on 
the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so.On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, 
Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental 
work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot 
outside. He has no idea what "outside" is. Yet, they informed her that they 
would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a 
county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me 
from the vet and said "I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot". They let it 
go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him 
from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!!On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 
PM, GRAS  wrote:However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one 
can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know?  
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Maureen Olvey]

Good point.

All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten.  I 
hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies 
shot.  She's about four and a half months old right now.  Do you think I should 
get one for her?  She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she 
can't get out.  It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I 
guess, but not likely.  I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in 
case.  What do you guys think?  I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not 
worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary 
vaccinations.  Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on 
the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so.
On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote:My daughter took her cat to 
the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by 
her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what "outside" is. Yet, 
they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies 
vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a 
rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said "I lied, I told them he had 
a rabies shot". They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to 
do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!!
 
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS  wrote:
 However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving 
them rabies vaccines…who would know? 

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Maureen Olvey]

I said that to my vet one time about the vaccine offering no protection at all 
if given at the same time as surgery.  The vet agreed.  What could she say.  We 
weren't talking about a specific pet though so there was no arguing but when I 
said it to a vet tech one time it kind of shocked her and she finally stumbled 
out that they just have to do it for the sake of liability, etc. just so they 
can say they gave the shot.  We weren't talking about the rabies shot though so 
I know she was just grasping at straws.  Matter of fact, I almost refuse to 
have vaccinations done at the time of surgery because I am already worried 
about the surgery weakening their immune system.  I get them done ahead of time 
if at all possible.  Every situation is different and I get by with certain 
things with certain vets because I've been in rescue for awhile.  But yeah, 
most vets I know also won't do surgery without vaccinations.  My normal vet 
won't even do surgery without the pre-surgery bloodwork.  That should be 
optional not required.  Pissed me off when I found out about it.  It's not 
required for Humane society fosters but for normal clients it is.

Regarding the cat needing to be neutered - many FeLV + cats get fixed and 
recover okay.  I look at it like this - there's just no choice when it comes to 
spay/neuter.  It's a necessary risk.  The animal will be miserable without the 
surgery and will try to get out and might infect other cats.  Just don't do the 
vaccinations like everyone else said.  If the kitty needs a rabies get it done 
a couple weeks ahead if possible.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> From: maima...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:20:40 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> 
> Interestingly, the vaccination is not retro-activethere is a time  
> lapse between the vaccination and the time it takes effect so  
> vaccinating one the day of surgery gives no one protection.
> On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:26 AM, GRAS wrote:
> 
> > It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on  
> > a cat without vaccinations.  What if surgery is imminently required,  
> > does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if  
> > it may be dangerous for the cat to wait?  This also means that a  
> > sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it?  Very odd! Natalie
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> >
> > My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up  
> > to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc.  He  
> > treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does  
> > surgery.
> >
> >  Marcia  wrote:
> >> I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat  
> >> never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows!
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS  wrote:
> >>
> >>> My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly  
> >>> under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have  
> >>> had any reactions
> >>>
> >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> >>>
> >>> I started making it very plain that I did not want the  
> >>> vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies  
> >>> shot to a very sick cat.  When I expressed my displeasure, the  
> >>> tech informed me that "they had never had any trouble  
> >>> with..."  Given that most cats in this county, including  
> >>> the little one in question, live outside, he would never know.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But  
> >>> honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I  
> >>> think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't  
> >>> ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more  
> >>> stressful for him to stay intact.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at  
> >>> the time we did not know he was positive because he actually  
> >>> tested neg for it when he w

Re: [Felvtalk] [FelineLeukemia] Fwd: Los Angeles, CA -- UPDATE: Chipin! Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye growing every day needs foster/adopter by January 4th [1 Attachment]

[Maureen Olvey]

Yes, it all seems premature to me.  Just remember, once the cat is put to sleep 
there is no bringing it back but if you wait a few more days and do all the 
test then you can always put the cat down later.  Don't put a cat down because 
the vet says so.  Listen to the vets but don't make a decision until you are 
ready.  If the cat isn't suffering then there's no reason to rush putting it to 
death.

If fluids from the belly are sent to a lab they will look for certain proteins 
that indicate FIP.  Plus, like Beth said, they probably can tell by looking at 
the fluid.  That test doesn't absolutely positively mean she has FIP but it's 
likely.  The only real way to know is a biopsy, but most vets will assume a cat 
has FIP based on the symptoms and the confirmation from the lab of certain 
kinds of protein in the fluid.  A flabby abdomen does not mean FIP.  Usually a 
cat with the wet form of FIP will get so skinny and emaciated looking although 
it is being fed.  They just can't eat cause of the fluids.  That's down the 
line though.  If the cat has the wet form of FIP it will usually die in a month 
or two from my experience.  Yes having FeLV makes it easier for a cat to get 
FIP but just because she has FeLV it doesn't mean she has FIP for sure because 
something's not right.  If funds allow I'd get the fluid test.   If not I'd 
wait to see how she does.

As far as FeLV causing the eye problems, it's possible I guess.  Seems like I 
read something about it somewhere.  I know it can make one pupil larger than 
the other but I'm not sure what else.  I'd definitely see an eye specialist 
though.  You'd hate to put a cat down then find out later that it really wasn't 
the FeLV causing the problem.  Maybe after seeing an eye specialist you'll find 
out she's in pain and they can't fix her eye or something like that.  Then if 
you decide to put the cat down you will know you did all that you could.

Take your time to make the decision.  Even if a cat has a poor prognosis but 
she's not suffering now then I wouldn't put her down yet, but that's me.  



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:04:22 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FelineLeukemia] Fwd: Los Angeles,  CA -- UPDATE: 
Chipin! Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye growing every day needs 
foster/adopter by January 4th [1 Attachment]

FIP can be diagnosed by sending the fluid from the abdomen to a lab. Usually a 
vet can look at the fluid & tell it is FIP. It is a stringy yellow fluid. FIP 
is often associated with FeLV.This cat is definitely NOT a candidate for a 
"sanctuary". She needs individualized care. 
I would never put down an asymptomatic cat FeLV positive or not & I would never 
let any animal die on it's own. That is just cruel.
Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   
   From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 7:12 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FelineLeukemia] Fwd: Los Angeles, CA -- UPDATE: 
Chipin! Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye growing every day needs 
foster/adopter by January 4th [1 Attachment]
  

I just got this message from Karineh, who took Dolly to yet another vet (two in 
one day) at the urging of a rescue group that was paying for it:



"the vet said your best bet is to put her to sleep. he feels there may be some 
signs of FIP as well due to a flabby belly did a test and saw just a bit of 
fluids, wasnt sure though.  he said the one eye looks to have just grown and 
grown no matter what you were to do
 since he feels its felv related and there wouldnt be any treatment 
other than removal. the other eye is not good either just not big. he 
said in the near future the other one may need to be removed as well and this 
doesnt get rid of her problems if she is FELV/FIP + it will go from one to 
another. he said if you want to wait till you conclude that the send out test 
was indeed felv then lets wait but without really say what I should do he said 
her prognosis is poor to bad."



This is before the results of retesting for Felv via a lab ELISA and an IFA.   
From what I understand FIP is almost impossible to diagnose.   Also, this vet 
is not an eye specialist, as far as I know.

Does this seem premature to you?   She plans to have her killed this 
(Wednesday, January 4) afternoon, but is soliciting suggestions for 
alternatives.   



Do you all kill upon diagnosis (and in this case, before diagnosis)?  

At what point do you euthanize and/or do you let them die on their own?   

Do sanctuaries take kitties this far along?



Are there hospice places for such kitties?   


The cat must not be in a lo

Re: [Felvtalk] New to group with 3 FeLV + 10 week old kittens

[Maureen Olvey]

The answer is yes.  I would try to find adoptive homes but also look into 
sanctuaries.  Obviously adoptive homes would be better and there's a chance.  
Not a very high chance they could get a home but at least being persian mixes 
they might can find a home with someone who has FeLV + cats.  It will be hard 
finding them homes because most kittens (not all) that have FeLV will not live 
past 3 years old so finding someone who is willing to have their heart broken 
after just a short time will be hard.  

Definitely test later on like Natalie said.  Kittens normally can't get rid of 
the virus but it's always best to give them more time then repeat the test.  In 
the mean time I would go ahead and put them up for adoption as a FeLV + kitten, 
if they're healthy right now that is.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:36:40 -0500
From: ch...@beyondbehaviors.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to group with 3 FeLV + 10 week old kittens





















Hi all,

 

I’m new to the group.  I do Cat
rescue for a Northern
 Virginia group and
took in 3 Persian Mix bottle babies (one female, two male) in November. 
They were all scheduled for adoption at 8 weeks and the first one out tested
FeLV+.  All adoptions fell through.  They are gorgeous and
affectionate. They are now 10 weeks old.  All are ELISA + and one tested
IFA +. It is assumed that they received FeLV from the missing mother.  What
are the chances of finding adoptive homes for them? Or should I be looking for
a sanctuary?

 

Chris









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[Maureen Olvey]

Glad to hear that about Amber.  I haven't been able to follow along with all 
the posts these last few months but I had wondered what had happened with 
Amber.  She's the one your husband built that nice big totally awesome 
enclosure for - right?  That's so awesome that she turned out to be negative.  
Especially since she started out so malnourished.  I hope you told the vet that 
so he would know not to suggest killing the next cat that test positive on the 
initial combo test.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:05:05 -0800
From: jannestay...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result 
inDisease



So many cats are put down unecessarily after testing positive on the first 
test. I went through this with my sweet Calico, Amber. After rescuing her, she 
tested positive in the vets office and they thought I should end her life. I 
decided against that had her retested 3 months later. She tested negative and 
also had a negative IFA test. I've had her 9 months now and she is an 8lb kitty 
who bullies the three other cats who are twice her size. She likes to have 
boxing matches with them. They never hurt each other. She just wants to show 
she is not afraid. LOL. She is so full of energy and very affectionate when she 
wants to be. I am so glad I waited and did not end the life of this precious 
animal.

 
Jannes 



From: Lynda Wilson 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result 
inDisease





This is what I have read about FeLV as well.
 
L

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From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease




 




Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result in Disease
by JaneA Kelley, Cat expert and animal communicator 
 










 

When a cat is exposed to the feline leukemia virus (FeLV), the cat might have a 
transient infection and fight it off, developing immunity -- some vets say that 
up to 70 percent of adult cats survive exposure this way. If the cat doesn't 
overcome the initial infection, the virus will move to the bone marrow and the 
cat will be persistently infected. And finally, the cat may continue to harbor 
the virus, thereby becoming a carrier.

Many latently infected cats actually become free of the virus after a few 
years, but others become persistently infected. Cats that test positive should 
be retested 12 weeks later to confirm the diagnosis.



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Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors- vinegar

[Maureen Olvey]

I've been mopping my floors with vinegar and water for years.  With dogs around 
anytime you drop food on the floor they dive for it.  At least when they're 
licking the food off the floor they're not also getting Mop N Glo.  Definitely 
smells bad but I do my mopping on a day that I can leave the door and windows 
open for an hour or two until the vinegar smell dissipates.  On the other hand, 
both my dogs died from cancer anyway so I'm not sure if it actually made a 
difference as far as decreasing the amount of toxins they take in!

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:46:28 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors



Just for a little while, it dissipates very quickly (white distilled vinegar 
doesn’t have a very distinct odor). From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors And then you have to deal with the smell of 
vinegar. Yuck!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

[Maureen Olvey]

Wow - interesting!  Thanks for sharing.
 
That tells me that you should never 100% trust an ELISA test of any sort.  They 
are a good screening test and a majority of time reliable but confirmation 
always needs to be done via IFA or Western Blot.  There's this other test that 
I read about but I can't remember the name of it.  I guess any test, even IFA 
and Western Blot, can be done wrong but getting the same incorrect result from 
two different type of tests is less likely.

Thanks again for telling me what happened with you since I've got a FeLV kitten 
that I'm waiting to retest.  
 

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: hideyo.yamam...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:59:51 -0700
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!





Thisi is not reagarding Felk virus per se.  But I wanted to share as it can be 
somewhat relevant.
 
I have at least 6 or 7 kitties who was tested negative on SNAP test on FIV - 
but came back as positve on ELISA at LAB - but whenever this happened, SNAP 
test result ended up being the correct one, and ELISA at LAB was false positive 
- as they all ended up being negative via Western BLot - what I was told by the 
lab expert at Cornell University was that, ELISA test can be too sensitive and 
can cause false positive - I never had reverse results - just as FYI.
 



From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:40:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!




Here's how my vet friend explained things to me which will clarify a little 
about what Beth is saying about the IFA test.

The IFA test looks to see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  It's not a 
bone marrow test however, white blood cells are produced in the bone marrow, so 
if the virus is in the white blood cells then it's because it's replicating in 
the bone marrow.  If it's not replicating in the bone marrow the FeLV virus 
could still be in the bone marrow but dormant.  You wouldn't know that without 
a bone marrow test because it's just sitting there not doing anything and not 
spreading or causing problems.
 
 
So here's what the vet has told me about the all ways of testing:
 
The first screening test is the ELISA test.  The ELISA test can be performed 
two ways.  It can be done using a snap test kit in the vet's office or the 
blood sample can be sent to a lab where they do a "Well test."  The well test 
is also an ELISA test that looks for small fragments of the virus in the 
bloodstream but just done a different way and uses a much larger blood sample.  
The ELISA test that is done with a snap test kit in the vet's office is also 
called a combo test because it looks for FIV also.  Then there is the 3 way 
snap test kit which looks for FIV, FeLV and heartworms.  I think the ELISA test 
that is done in a well by sending the blood to a lab just looks for FeLV, not 
the other two.  I'm not positive though.
 
So, the ELISA test looks to see if there are small fragments of the virus in 
the blood stream.  Part of the virus could be in the bloodstream but not in the 
white blood cells.  It gets into the oral cavities and bloodstream before it 
goes into the bone marrow.  When it gets into the bone marrow it could start 
replicating and then it gets into the white blood cells.  The IFA test looks to 
see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  So from my understanding, the 
virus has to progress from the bloodstream into the bone marrow and replicate 
like Beth is saying to get into the white blood cells.  Usually once it's 
starts replicating in the bone marrow and getting into the white blood cells 
the cat will not be able to fight off the virus.
 
FYI - my vet has also said that the 3 way snap test kits don't seem to be as 
reliable as the combo snap test kit.
 
So that's a very simple and basic way of explaining the different ways of 
testing and what they look at to determine what stage the virus is in as it 
spreads throughout the body.  That's my understanding and I hope it's correct.
 



Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:12:39 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!



The IFA tests weather the virus is replicating in the bone marrow. You can have 
a positive SNAP & a negative IFA. This does NOT mean the cat is negative. It 
just means the virus is not replicating in the bone marrow. 
Any test can be done wrong & labs can mix up donors with specimins. It happens 
with humans, it can certainly happen in our pets. 

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From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:21 AM
S

Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

[Maureen Olvey]

Here's how my vet friend explained things to me which will clarify a little 
about what Beth is saying about the IFA test.

The IFA test looks to see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  It's not a 
bone marrow test however, white blood cells are produced in the bone marrow, so 
if the virus is in the white blood cells then it's because it's replicating in 
the bone marrow.  If it's not replicating in the bone marrow the FeLV virus 
could still be in the bone marrow but dormant.  You wouldn't know that without 
a bone marrow test because it's just sitting there not doing anything and not 
spreading or causing problems.
 
 
So here's what the vet has told me about the all ways of testing:
 
The first screening test is the ELISA test.  The ELISA test can be performed 
two ways.  It can be done using a snap test kit in the vet's office or the 
blood sample can be sent to a lab where they do a "Well test."  The well test 
is also an ELISA test that looks for small fragments of the virus in the 
bloodstream but just done a different way and uses a much larger blood sample.  
The ELISA test that is done with a snap test kit in the vet's office is also 
called a combo test because it looks for FIV also.  Then there is the 3 way 
snap test kit which looks for FIV, FeLV and heartworms.  I think the ELISA test 
that is done in a well by sending the blood to a lab just looks for FeLV, not 
the other two.  I'm not positive though.
 
So, the ELISA test looks to see if there are small fragments of the virus in 
the blood stream.  Part of the virus could be in the bloodstream but not in the 
white blood cells.  It gets into the oral cavities and bloodstream before it 
goes into the bone marrow.  When it gets into the bone marrow it could start 
replicating and then it gets into the white blood cells.  The IFA test looks to 
see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  So from my understanding, the 
virus has to progress from the bloodstream into the bone marrow and replicate 
like Beth is saying to get into the white blood cells.  Usually once it's 
starts replicating in the bone marrow and getting into the white blood cells 
the cat will not be able to fight off the virus.
 
FYI - my vet has also said that the 3 way snap test kits don't seem to be as 
reliable as the combo snap test kit.
 
So that's a very simple and basic way of explaining the different ways of 
testing and what they look at to determine what stage the virus is in as it 
spreads throughout the body.  That's my understanding and I hope it's correct.
 



Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:12:39 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!



The IFA tests weather the virus is replicating in the bone marrow. You can have 
a positive SNAP & a negative IFA. This does NOT mean the cat is negative. It 
just means the virus is not replicating in the bone marrow. 
Any test can be done wrong & labs can mix up donors with specimins. It happens 
with humans, it can certainly happen in our pets. 

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From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

The IFA is not testing the bone marrow, thoughthat would be yet another
test.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

It is possible the SNAP tests were positive & an IFA was negative because
the virus had not progressed to the bone marrow. I also wonder if the SNAP
tests that were positive were done on the new 3way tests. Our shelter
stopped using them because they were not dependable.

Kat Parker  wrote:

>*Very scary.. see below..*
>
>--Original Message--
>From: Ellen Fawl
>To: rescuealliancew...@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Scary FELV test results!
>Sent: Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM
>
>I need to share this so it can get to the FELV Lists and whomever is 
>following this testing debacle. We took in 5 Persians last week. We had 
>them combo tested with the standard Snap test. All five tested 
>positive.  We had blood work done on one cat and it came back negative.
>We assumed the tests were done wrong so they redid them two days ago.
>All four remaining cats tested positive AGAIN.
>We had blood work taken on all four, sent it in, and all four came back 
>negative.
>
>This is really scary stuff. Cats are killed all the time because they 
>test positive. Had we heard about these cats being in a shelter & 
>testing positive it's not likely we could have taken them in. The vet 
>office in Santa Cruz is going to follow up with the company, but if 
>there is anyone else out there tracking this stuff, I want to get the 
>information to them.
>Ellen
>
>
>*
>
>Love and Katnip,
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

[Maureen Olvey]

When she says "bloodwork" I wonder what she means.  You can take blood and send 
it to a lab where they perform the same type of ELISA test as done in the vet's 
office, but they do it differently at the lab (my vet called it a "well test"). 
 They have to take a bigger blood sample for that.  It's still an ELISA test, 
which looks for small fragments of the virus in the bloodstream, but a little 
more reliable than doing it with the snap test kit.

Then there's the IFA test which is a totally different test and it looks for 
the virus in the white blood cells/bone marrow.  If by "bloodwork" she means 
the IFA test then it's very possible that it's negative and the combo test is 
positive and that doesn't mean the combo test is wrong.  The combo test could 
be right but the virus just hasn't progressed into the bone marrow.

So when she says "bloodwork" it's hard to know for sure whether that means the 
combo test was right or wrong.  I'd like to know because if she's talking about 
two ELISA tests (one done in the vet's office with a snap test kit and one sent 
to the lab) and they keep coming up differently then there's definitely a 
problem with the snap test kits.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: korruptaki...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:14:02 -0800
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!







Very scary.. see below..

--Original Message--
From: Ellen Fawl
To: rescuealliancew...@yahoogroups.com


Subject: Scary FELV test results!
Sent: Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM

I need to share this so it can get to the FELV Lists and whomever is 
following this testing debacle. We took in 5 Persians last week. We had 


them combo tested with the standard Snap test. All five tested 
positive.  We had blood work done on one cat and it came back negative. 
We assumed the tests were done wrong so they redid them two days ago. 


All four remaining cats tested positive AGAIN.
We had blood work taken on all four, sent it in, and all four came back 
negative.

This is really scary stuff. Cats are killed all the time because they 
test positive. Had we heard about these cats being in a shelter & 


testing positive it's not likely we could have taken them in. The vet 
office in Santa Cruz is going to follow up with the company, but if 
there is anyone else out there tracking this stuff, I want to get the 


information to them.
Ellen




Love and Katnip,  ~Kat~ =^,,^=





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Re: [Felvtalk] how long does it take for an infected cat to regain its strength?

[Maureen Olvey]

I'm not sure about the other, but pneumonia can really make a cat feel bad.  
Amoxicillan may not be strong enough.  I'd call the vet back and ask if a 
different antiobiotic might help more.  I know Baytril is a stonger antibiotic 
but I don't know if that's the best or not I just know that Amoxi isn't that 
strong.
 
LIke Marta said it's a lot of his age, etc. as far as FeLV goes and how his 
body reacts to it, but you can't play with pneumonia and that may be all it is 
that's making him feel bad.  Did he have a chest x-ray to confirm pneumonia?  
If he's been on Amoxi two weeks I'd definitely have him re-checked and another 
x-ray or just switch antibiotics at the very least.  I'm very paranoid about 
pneumonia because I had a kitten that had it and the stupid vet didn't diagnose 
it (in this case the vet was stupid because I suggested chest x-rays and she 
said no) and the kitten turned septic and died.  Septic meaning the infection 
spread into her bloodstream.  Doesn't happen that often and it was just a 
kitten but l learned not to play with pneumonia.  Course she had an URI and 
then pneumonia for 3 months so it took a long time to kill her so I'm not 
saying that could happen to your cat.  I'm just saying to make sure it's taken 
care of because that is treatable.  But with FeLV on top of pneumonia you need 
to fight the infection as hard as you can in my untrained opinion.  There's 
several other stronger antibiotics but Baytril and Doxycycline (part of the 
tetracycline family) are the two stronger ones that come to mind.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:47:34 -0800
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how long does it take for an infected cat to regain its 
strength?






So sorry..he could be undergoing the first stage(sickly for a couple of weeks 
or so then recovers and if asymptomatic can live years) or not, be in the last 
stages, if he is in the last stages depending on age, what organs were infected 
etc, might live weeks to a year..hard to tell without a test that can tell you 
where virus is..just from what described sounds like months but this is just a 
quess, what test did he have? The in-house? Or an IFA? IFA is definitive though 
pricey. And how old is your kitty?
Marta


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From: Dana Jarvis 
Subject: [Felvtalk] how long does it take for an infected cat to regain its 
strength?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 1:12 PM






My cat was diagnosed on Nov.10th but had been sick probably a couple of weeks 
prior to diagnosis. He was laying around the house alot and not really acting 
his playful self.
I thought he had worms so when I took him to the vet I was shocked because I 
never heard of this virus. He also had pneumonia. He is still weak and has no 
appetite which I syringe feed him food  4 times a day with nutri-cal and hills. 
He's been on amoxacillin for 2 weeks and just started on AZT on Sunday. Does 
anyone know how long it will take or just on average when he will start showing 
any signs of his immune system taking care of this virus. I know it's specific 
to the cat but I would like to know what I am looking at as far as him getting 
better or if he will be able to tackle this. He sure is a fighter and I am 
willing to do anything it takes to get him better. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[Maureen Olvey]

Thanks Kat.

I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster failures 
as it is!  I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for more of 
them.  If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can always stay with 
me.  Don't worry, I won't be putting her down.

I'll definitely think about your offer though.  I might need a nice drive to KY 
or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days  ;-) Really though, I 
will think about it.  I have a couple of friends with family up that way so I 
might find out when they're heading up.  I'll let you know.  You would totally 
love her.  She is so sweet.  She really loves attention and follows me around.  
Kind of a laid back little girl.  She likes to play of course like all kittens 
but she's also happy just hanging out.

I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance of 
extinguishing the virus.  I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight off 
the virus but you just never know.  I'm going to wait a couple weeks before 
doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if there's a 
way to work out the transporting.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500
> From: katsk...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
> 
> Maureen
> I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats.  Of the cats, 1 is about 11 -
> 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive
> years ago.  One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because
> of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the
> house.  Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now,
> I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others.
> 
> That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would
> be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her.  I
> can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you
> can't find her a home?
> 
> She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling
> with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most
> definitely would not lack for play opportunities.
> 
> Has she been spayed?
> 
> If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep
> her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out
> with me.
> 
> I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still.  Would love to have another.
> 
> Thanks
> kat
> 
> On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda  wrote:
> > Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of
> > any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are
> > concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine,
> > a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to
> > me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized
> > for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that
> > is A OK!   Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
> > 2010.
> >
> > On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey  wrote:
> >
> >> I kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and
> >> since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my
> >> others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever.  Maybe
> >> I should but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate over - vaccinating
> >> too but I think I have to in this case.  Unless there's someone like Beth
> >> that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her
> >> out  ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten.
> >> Appears healthy as a horse.  I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the
> >> lab) so I know she's positive.  I hope she can extinguish the virus but
> >> since she's a kitten I'm a little worried.  I"m going to follow up with an
> >> IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that
> >> will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus.  Back to the
> >> point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know.
> >>
> >> Not to scare you but as a side note -

Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

[Maureen Olvey]

Kittens can sometimes have a false FIV + result.  The FIV portion of the combo 
test looks for FIV antibodies so if the kitten has antibodies from the mother 
still in it's system then the kitten can show positive for FIV.  But waiting a 
little and testing later the kitten will usually show negative because the 
Mom's antibodies will no longer be present.  Other than that I haven't heard of 
too many false positives for FIV.  I'm sure there are and I just haven't looked 
into it.  If those test kits aren't handled properly they can show false 
positives for FeLV so I would think they could for FIV too.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:34:30 -0800
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

I don't have enough authority/knowlegde to say I disagree with the last 
statement "cats over the age of 16 wks are virtually inmune to FeLV"..I'd say I 
wished, because I have seen cats older than 3 yrs to get infected.
Whether it was the cat was sick and wasn't obvious even to an ELISA(wich I had 
been told it can give false FIV results but is accurate on FeLV) I don't know.
 
Being on the rescue & adopt out position, I've to get my adoptables tested and 
vaccinated. It'd be wonderful if everybody would know the facts
Marta


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From: dppl dppl 
Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:27 PM








As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
testing the kitten I found,
I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
process.  I was wondering if
anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks
 
http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

[Maureen Olvey]

And another thought - 



FeLV cats that are owned don't die a slow and painful death because 
their caring owners will put them down when the pain becomes too intense
 and they can no longer help them.  Only feral cats with no home and no 
colony caretaker would die that kind of way from FeLV.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: frecklescras...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:46:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14








Hi Everyone,

 

We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing 
wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on 
Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test 
comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did 
test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did 
I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same 
as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him 
home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I 
talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first 
option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how 
many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + 
cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that 
test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the 
virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting 
at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know 
I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a 
healthy life and aren't even given the chance! 

 

Marci, Maddie, & Charles

 

 
  

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Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

[Maureen Olvey]

Interesting.



I don't really believe that 72% are false positives.  I think the 
percentages of that are much lower.  I think most of the problems wtih 
the ELISA come from improper handling of the kit.  However, I like most 
of everything else they said in the article.  The ELISA doesn't give you
 the final results.  According to articles I've read and my vet friend, 
the ELISA test looks for small fragments of the virus in the 
blood/saliva/tears or whatever.  It doesn't look for antibodies, it 
looks for small fragments of the virus.  At this point you don't know 
whether the virus has replicated and spread or whether it's progressed 
into the white blood cells.  At this point they could get rid of the 
virus like most cats do.  The cat may not even be contagious at this 
point.  The ELISA is a screening test only.  It's just to let you know 
whether you need to look into this any further.



I do have a very healthy kitten right now that I just took in that 
tested positive on her ELISA.  I just mentioned it yesterday so sorry to
 repeat.  I had a second ELISA test done that is sent to the lab for a 
"well test."  It's just like the snap test in the office in that it 
looks for small fragments of the virus but it's performed a different 
way.  That test showed a positive also.  So if you're in rescue I 
definitely think you should test because the disease is out there but 
it's not as common as some think.  My vet friend also said that most 
healthy adult cats can extinguish the virus so I agree with that part of
 the article.  I read that somewhere else in an online article by 
another vet.



Thanks for the article though.  I'd like to read more of the stuff from this 
group.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:27:08 -0800
From: dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats




As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
testing the kitten I found,
I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
process.  I was wondering if
anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks
 
http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

[Maureen Olvey]

You know, I get really tired of this!  I just dealt with another vet - actually 
a conversation with his wife who volunteers with us - and told her he was wrong 
about some things regarding FeLV.  Not that he said put one down but he said 
there are no false positives.  Granted there isn't a large majority of false 
positives but it can and does happen.  Anyway, I get sick of these vets who 
don't keep up with the most current findings and research.  It only takes me a 
few minutes to google FeLV and there are lots of articles written by other vets 
about FeLV.  I think next time we need to tell them to do their friggin job and 
stay current with medical findings.  Arggg!  I think maybe I'll print 
some articles by other vets and just hand them to a vet the next time one of 
them says something stupid about FeLV.

The thing is that there is this other vet I know that volunteers for local 
rescues and she stays current with everything, especially FeLV.  I always go to 
her with  my questions if I find something online that I don't understand.  
There are some good vets and even the ones that say stupid things about FeLV 
are probably great in so many other areas of vet medicine but still they should 
stay current on things.  And by current I mean at least stuff that's come up or 
been found in the last 5- 10 years.  It's not like the stuff we talk about 
regarding FeLV is new.  The information on the web has been out there for quite 
a few years.  I know most vets care about the animals and are good but they 
need to know current findings before putting a cat down.

Well, that's my venting for now.  I think it's our job to share our knowledge 
with vets who don't know these things but the best way is by showing them 
articles by other vets.  We're not in the medical field so they wouldn't 
believe us.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:38:42 -0800
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

I must look pretty defiant or something because only one vet(the youngest, 
first job, I thought she'd have new ideas, nope just as antiquated as the one 
thats nearing retirement)did suggest the pts solution out of 3 different ones.
I always try to 'reeducate' vets, just I'd educate a person in the street that 
never even heard of the disease.
Yes it is true FeLV+'s can die a slow and painful death, not all though. It is 
up to the owner to look for signs that the time is near and know when to help 
kitty along.
Have learnt that the hard way. But it is not the vet place to suggest that 
'final solution'.
Marta


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From: Christiane Biagi 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:07 PM







Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age—my Tucson is 13+ and positive 
and a hefty 16 lbs!
 


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
 

Hi Everyone,
 
We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing 
wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on 
Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test 
comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did 
test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did 
I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same 
as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him 
home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I 
talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first 
option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how 
many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The
 vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well 
what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and 
are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I 
guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are 
taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these 
cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! 
 
Marci, Maddie, & Charles
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[Maureen Olvey]

I kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I 
doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm 
not planning on keeping them separated forever.  Maybe I should but I don't 
have the set up for that.  I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to 
in this case.  Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the Atlanta area 
that wants to take her and try to adopt her out  ;-)She is a beautiful 12 
week old blue point siamese kitten.  Appears healthy as a horse.  I had the 
ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive.  I hope she 
can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little worried.  I"m 
going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her 
white blood cells so that will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the 
virus.  Back to the point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten 
let me know.
 
Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you from 
bringing in a positive kitty.  I tested all  my cats and kittens and they 
always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two years old. 
 No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV kitty.  The vet had 
some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you test a kitten and she 
shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't had time to show on the snap 
test.  Not a comforting thought I know.  
 
Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV kitten in 
because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating.  I just knew her first snap 
test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot.  But now that she's 
been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just can't put her down.  I'm 
going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt I'll be successful.  But in 
the meantime she needs to get out of that one room and play.
 
Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study done on 
the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or 16 weeks old 
still had immunity 4 years later.  And that was just the normal one year rabies 
vaccine.  Crazy huh?  I think the American Association of Veterinarians 
something or another sets the vaccination protocols but they're all vets so of 
course they're going to recommend vaccinating as much as possible.
 

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question



I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv.  Several 
people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia 
after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of the 
infection but these cats were not ever outside the house.  They were not 
exposed to any other cats.  They may have had the disorder lurking in their 
bone marrow and the vaccine sensitized them to getting the illness or they may 
have gotten it from the vaccine.  In addition, there's the danger of 
vaccine-site sarcoma. I have had cats living with me for most of my life. Most 
of them survive well into what is considered old age for cats - 16 to 20 years. 
 Simply testing cats before adding them to my community assures that they will 
not be exposed to FeLv. I don't vaccinate, except when I send cats to adoption. 
FVRCP is required for that.  Of course, the rabies vaccine is required by law 
in most States but other than that, I feel that veterinarians push vaccines for 
cats for all the wrong reasons.
 
Lee




From: Natalie 
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question







Why do you feel that your cats need to be vaccinated at all?  Are they at risk 
of exposure? Vaccinate your cats ONLY according to their lifestyles!  Remember, 
even the protocol for regular FVRCP is now every three years…..
Fort Dodge doesn’t have a stellar reputation…that’s all I know.
 


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
 

I've got to have a couple of my cats vaccinated against FeLV.  I've heard you 
guys talk about the different makers of the vaccinations but I can't remember 
what the best ones were.  Seems like I remember hearing about Fort Dodge and 
some others but if anyone has had problems with a certa

Re: [Felvtalk] Thanks for the replies

[Maureen Olvey]

I cut pills in half and give them with cheese wiz.  That may help if the pills 
by themselves are aggravating his throat.  Just a thought.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:46:12 -0500
From: maxgoodb...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thanks for the replies

Another side-effect of pred is bone loss.  One of mine was on it for 1.5-2 
years and broke his hind leg.  Very slow to heal, was pinned for quite a long 
time.  He is off it now.
Having trouble eating and having an irritated throat - is it possible he has 
developed a stricture from getting pilled each day?  I don't have any 
experience with it myself, but have read that giving a little water after each 
pill can help to avoid this...


Best wishes,
Beth N.


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Muscle weakness and muscle wasting on rear legs are the first side effects of 
long-term pred dosing. And long term for pred is not(as I thought)5 years but a 
couple or 3.
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[Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[Maureen Olvey]

I've got to have a couple of my cats vaccinated against FeLV.  I've heard you 
guys talk about the different makers of the vaccinations but I can't remember 
what the best ones were.  Seems like I remember hearing about Fort Dodge and 
some others but if anyone has had problems with a certain type of vaccination 
by a certain maker please let me know.

I don't think I'm going to do the Vet Jet so I just wanted to know about the 
regular FeLV vaccinations.

Thanks.

Maureen

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Re: [Felvtalk] Thanks for the replies

[Maureen Olvey]

Marta - 

I have an FIV + cat that is like 12 or 13 yrs old (we don't know for sure but 
that's what I think) with no sign of "giving up the ghost" as my husband says.  
He used to live indoor/outdoor I believe.  So these FIV kitties can live a 
fairly long life.  My friend's FIV kitties have always lived into their teens.  
My cat, a former foster, had a really bad URI when I got him three years ago 
and the vet wasn't sure he'd recover since he had FIV.  A two week round of 
Clavamox was all it took and he was fine.

Just thought I'd share in case anyone was worried about the lifespan of a cat 
with FIV.  I'd rather a cat test positive for FIV rather than FeLV.  His 
chances are better and he's not as contagious.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:56:23 -0800
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thanks for the replies

Muscle weakness and muscle wasting on rear legs are the first side effects of 
long-term pred dosing. And long term for pred is not(as I thought)5 years but a 
couple or 3.
I also think that his sitting not touching the floor is due to either arthritis 
and/or muscle pain. If his muscles are weakening he'll be in pain.
I've two cats that do it and one of the rescue kittens did it recently(she hurt 
her back via bad fall, she's much better but it was scary)
I also have another kitten that was dx with muscle wasting(birth defect) he 
doesn't sit normally either.
 
I understand your feelings and am sorry for what you are going throught, a 15 
year old is frail and lots of infirmities like an elderly person. So you are 
doing your best and giving lots of love to Buster, thats waht matters I believe.
 
IMO if he had FIP(there's no test for FIP, the lady must have meant FIV?) he 
wouldn't be with you now and if he had FeLV probably not either. I do have a 
cat for adoption that is 10 yrs old and tested FIV+ twice, that to me is 
remarkable b/c he was a cat that owner kept outside, I wouldn't expect it to 
live this long being exposed to so much.
Marta


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From: danbin...@netzero.com 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Thanks for the replies
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Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011, 4:10 AM


I really appreciate everyone who responded to my post.  It makes me feel a bit 
more secure knowing there are others rooting for our success.

I think that my keeping Buster on prednisolone is a requirement since he has 
been on it for so long.  I am sure it has compromised his adrenals and that 
without pred, he will have Cushings (or maybe Addison's).

Beth - Buster did have blood work done, in 2009, and it was all fine.  ELISA 
was negative.  Before I took in this older cat (her guardian died and the 
rescue group was unable to find anyone to take her), I asked to have the cat 
tested.  I have 2 other, indoor only, cats and I wanted to make sure that I 
didn't bring disease into the house.  I was told that the new cat tested 
negative for FIP and FeLV.  I do trust the woman who asked me to take in the 
older kitty, but I have no paperwork to verify.

Although Buster lived amicably with
 my 2nd cat, she hated the new cat.  The new cat caused Buster a lot of stress. 
 I tried everything, Rescue Remedy, Feliway etc.  Finally, after about a year, 
things settled down.  I never saw any wounds, on either cat, but I know there 
were 'minor' fights as I found tufts of hair around (including once or twice 
hanging out of Buster's mouth!)  They still hiss, but mostly try to stay out of 
one another's way

My vet didn't want to give me the prednisolone, but I was frantic, unable to 
pay for any more investigative work, and wanted my cat well.  I live over 90 
miles, one way, from my (any) vet, and I think she gave me the pred. out of 
kindness.  Regardless of good or bad, Buster has been on 5mg for 2 years.

I don't think Buster has stomatitis now, although eating does appear painful at 
times.  Back in 2010, the vet did extract a couple of teeth.  And, a tooth, or 
two just disintegrated when she
 was cleaning his teeth.  Last time he was under (2010) she said his throat 
appeared inflamed, but I do pill him everyday and I am sure that caused that 
inflammation

He doesn't eat a lot, and he eats small amounts many, many, many times 
throughout the day.  Occasionally, he does stop eating and I need to syringe 
food.  He doesn't/can't eat dry food any more.

I will look at his gums tomorrow.

Marta, I agree and appreciate your thoughts 'it is what it is'.  I am trying my 
best, by myself, to keep Buster alive.  At this point, my focus is only to keep 
him happy, comfortable and with me

Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Maureen Olvey]

Like everyone else has said, ALWAYS ALWAYS re-test.  Never rely on one positive 
ELISA test.  It can show a false positive but even if it's not a false positive 
it is possible the cat can extinguish, meaning totally get rid of, the virus.  
I would do an IFA test like someone else mentioned.  It looks to see if the 
virus has spread into the white blood cells.  If the IFA is negative the cat 
can still kick the virus so you would need to wait and re-test.  Also, the cat 
could put the virus into dormancy, which means it may  not ever have problems 
with the virus and it can't spread it.
 
Lots of people on the site have mixed positives and negatives.  I have a friend 
with lots of rescued cats.  She has 3 positive cats.  She has all her negative 
cats vaccinated against FeLV and over the years none have ever caught FeLV.  
She even has FIV positive cats that get vaccinated and have never caught the 
FeLV virus.  No vaccinations are 100% but it would seem that in most cases it 
works.  Another vet I talked with said that most researchers now feel that even 
non-vaccinated healthy adult cats are resistant to the FeLV virus.  So even if 
you don't vaccinate it's possible the other cats wouldn't catch the virus.  
That happened in my house.  No cats in my house caught the virus from one who 
had it (her first test was negative so I didn't know I had a FeLV cat mixed in 
until she died and we did the necropsy and another ELISA).  None of my cats 
were vaccinated against FeLV but somehow none of them caught it.  In your case 
though, I wouldn't take the chance and would vaccinate the other cats but it's 
just interesting that it's not spread as easy as many people believe.
 
 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:33:50 -0800
From: dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me



 
thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will review 
all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails.  I see my 
post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice.  I 
guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get the 
other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried 
about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet attributed 
it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the positive test 
results.




From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me





I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it seemed healthy.  It does 
seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the sweetest cat, loving and 
intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I haven't had time to read 
all archives but I work from home and also take care of my bedridden elderly 
mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough to give me some advice? 
Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says "positive" the vet 
estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing flowchart

[Maureen Olvey]

I have a kitten that tested positive on her in-house ELISA test.  I think I'm 
going to do the ELISA test that is sent out to the lab next.  Does anyone know 
if antibiotics like Clavamox would affect the outcome of the test?  I wouldn't 
think so but you never know.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: gebr...@hotmail.com
To: gbl...@aristotle.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:52:27 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing flowchart





Dear Gloria and all,
 
Here is a link that was sent to me a couple of years ago that I found very 
helpful.  It shows a flowchart with the testing protocols.  It doesn't specify 
much in the way of time frames though.  
 
If the kittens tests a "weak" positive on the SNAP Elisa, there is a very good 
chance that a later retest will be negaive.  I was told to wait about a month 
for a retest, but have had one older kitten test negative on retest in 10 days! 
 I had him retested sooner since he had been in foster care for over a month 
and his brother tested negative even through they had been very close - mutual 
grooming, play biting, sharing food dishes/litterboxes, etc.  The SNAP tests 
are VERY sensitive and can sometimes produce light or weak positives if the 
kitten has been lightly exposed to URI but appears healthy.
 
http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html  Here is the link to the info.  I 
have quite a bit of other info I have accumulated in case anyone is interested.
 
G
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain?

[Maureen Olvey]

Hi Marta,

I've never heard or read about a fast acting strain of FeLV.  I'm thinking that 
it depends on your cat's immune system.  Of course if he comes into contact 
with something that causes problems it may develop faster and more seriously 
because of FeLV, but in general I would guess it's just the cat's immune system 
which determines how he responds and how long he lives with FeLV.  It is 
curious how some cats will develop lymphoma but others have that serious anemia 
thing.  It definitely doesn't do the same thing in every cat though so maybe 
there are different or mutated forms of the virus.

What's a PCR?

I'd keep Tiger going if he's feeling well.  Personally, I believe euthanasia is 
to end suffering so if there's no suffering then I wait.  Just my opinion 
though.  Sometimes it's hard to tell if they're suffering but eating and 
playing sounds like signs that he's not.

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: hideyo.yamam...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:32:01 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain?








Hi, Marta,

My two cents is that, just because the kitty is tested positive for Felk, you 
may not want to assume that it is the felk virus that is going the symptoms.

As you know, Felk kittens have weakened immue system, so they are very 
susceptive to different type of illness, infections, cancers... etc...

 

Have they run for chemistry panel on him?  Does he have regenerative or non 
regenerative anemia?  any parasites?

 

I have a few felk kitens myself - one of the kittens developed uevitis, and 
another kittehn started having a diffuclty breathing,, I thought uevitis was 
from felk virus, and diffculty breathing was from medistinal lymphma (fluid 
build up in the chest caviity) as it's very common among young felk kittens 
--but in stead, I found out that what they have if FIP - I am very much 
devastated... right now, clinically they are doing well - they are on LTCI, 
alpah interferon right now.. and  I am taking one day at atime..

 

I hope your kitty gets better.

 

Hideyo
 




Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:22:09 -0700
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain?






I knew this list was someplace but couldn't find it..now I've.
I live in Nebraska and do cat rescue and TNR..the first time I came accross the 
disease was last Fall when a feral that I had relocated to my backyard became 
seriouly ill and tested FeLV+. She was euthanized two weeks later because had 
gone blind and was in terrible pain(uveitis etc)
Then not yet a month ago I brought back a cat that a friend had taken from an 
abusive home a year ago at which time he had a broken leg but otherwise was 
very well..or seemed to.
She couldn't care for her cats anymore so I brought Tiger to my house, he is 
FeLV+ and a shadow of what he was a year ago, looks like he's on the end stage, 
very emaciated, skin issues, difficulty swallowing sometimes, diahrrea, sores 
around eyes.
He is a happy cat though, eats like a horse, wants to play but between his bad 
leg and anemia sometimes he falls down.
There were other FeLV+ cats in the house and some died shortly after the 
original owners took them back.
My question; is there an strain that can kill a cat in a year or so? They were 
all snap tested only, except one that had a PCR and it came back positive, some 
tested negative but looked sick so they'll retest.
I don't want to rush anything for Tiger unless he's in pain and he doesn't seem 
to be, should I PCR him? He has an URI and had coccidia so was medicated for 
it, had fleas but I can't find anymore fleas or flea dirt. I'm not spraying or 
putting topicals on him b/c of his sores and  little scabs all over that 
sometimes bleed.
I'd appreciate any comments..thank-you and happy to be on the list
Marta


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Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

[Maureen Olvey]

Seems like I read the woman in CA does have her property fenced in.  She 
doesn't actually have as much acreage as this other guy.  She has a staff of 
like 25 people.  I never heard that about the other guy so who knows if his 
property is fenced in.  But it seems like he takes in ferals and homeless cats 
who have absolutely nowhere else to go so even if it isn't an ideal home 
situation those cats are a lot better off with him.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:21:51 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
> 
> Isn't that in Florida?  All little houses; but how does one keep track of 
> them out there, and so many, how can he know who's sick?  Don't they get out? 
>  Is it all fenced in?  I had so many questions when I saw the video
> Man builds cat-sized village for homeless cats: 
> http://green.yahoo.com/blog/guest_bloggers/69/man-builds-cat-sized-village-for-homeless-cats.html
>  . 
> There's also a woman in CA, I think, who has 600 cats - looks like a great 
> place.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:50 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
> 
> I could sell my place and move there.  I only have 7 cats and if they dn't 
> get alog well with yours, I could build them an outdoor day time house.  At 
> night they could sleep in my bedroom like they do now.  I wouldn't mind takin 
> on a few more cats.  Or waht about this guy in Oregon who bought 600 acres of 
> an old tree farm.  He takes in strays, unwanteds and lets the roam the 600 
> acres.  He builds all kinds of houses for them to sleep in and spends the day 
> checking up on them and giving each one some loving.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

[Maureen Olvey]

I have so many foster failures that I have more cats than most people so mine 
could never stay together (a lot of them wouldn't care).  So here's my plan - 
my husband would keep several but he couldn't handle keeping all of them by 
himself, and even if he did once he remarried I doubt a new wife would want to 
take care of that many animals, so for the rest my rescue would take a few of 
the younger, adoptable ones, I have a couple of friends that would each take a 
few, then I know this nice lady in CT that operates a rescue that can take the 
rest.  Her name is Natalie.  

Except for one cat, she will go to someone with the e-mail address of 
maima...@gmail.com.  That cat's name is Mai Mai so it's only appropriate she 
goes to someone who has Mai Mai in her address!  

Her and her brother are named Mai & Thai, like the drink except that there's an 
"h" in the tai word that normally isn't there.  So her name is pronounced Mai 
like the drink but I call her Mai Mai.  Just to clarify, the reason there's an 
"h" in Thai which isn't there in the correct spelling of the drink (which is 
mai tai) is because my boy Thai is an apple head Siamese (mix but looks almost 
pure) and the new name for the traditional applehead Siamese cat is a Thai Cat. 
 So after reading that for some reason I came up with Mai & Thai for those two. 
 So anyway, I think Mai Mai should go with Mai Mai on her farm.  And if you're 
taking Mai Mai you might as well take Thai.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 19:52:14 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
> 
> That is what really worries me.  I am in pretty god shape, but accidents do 
> happen.  That is why we have to have everything worked out now, including the 
> woever gets my cat(s) to let them know about thir prsonality, food, etc.
>  MaiMaiPG  wrote: 
> > Amen
> > On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Natalie wrote:
> > 
> > > We don't have to be older to "check out", we could be hit by a bus any
> > > dayyoung or old - therefore all of us should have a serious  
> > > contingency
> > > plan for emergencies!
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:47 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
> > >
> > > Hey, I love you two!!!   I wish you really could move here when the
> > > time comes.  I am in fairly good health for 78, so I don't plan on  
> > > checkin'
> > > out anytime soon, but I worry about my cats a lot because it could  
> > > happen.
> > > .
> > > For the record my three kids are older than you two girls. My son is  
> > > 56,
> > > middle daughter 54 and youngest daughter just turned 50. All of them  
> > > adore
> > > cats, but they already have a bunch of their own.  My youngest  
> > > daughter has
> > > 11 cats, and the others have a several cats and dogs. I know they  
> > > wouldn't
> > > just dump my cats, because they are great kids, but they would have a
> > > problem taking all 15 of mine.
> > > .
> > > Now just in case you two are really thinking of coming here you can  
> > > look up
> > > www.alpinelakeresort.com It's in the eastern mountains of WV just  
> > > ten miles
> > > from the Maryland border.  Summers here are wonderful with  
> > > temperatures
> > > seldom above 75 - 80, but beware, in the winter we get LOTS of snow.
> > >
> > > Anyway,  regardless of whether we ever meet, thanks for giving me  
> > > some hope
> > > for the future of my kitty kats.  BTW, Maureen,  my cats like strange
> > > people, I'm pretty damn strange myself :-).
> > >
> > > Lorrie
> > >
> > > On 09-09, Maureen Olvey wrote:
> > >>   See  Lorrie  - now everything has been worked out!  So tell your  
> > >> three
> > >>   kids  if  they don't get off their butts and offer to take your  
> > >> babies
> > >>   in that  you're  going  to  have  two strange women

Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

[Maureen Olvey]

Lynda - a house on the lake in a resort type atomsphere - I say leave the 
husbands behind and enjoy ourselves.  With two of us we'd have time to take 
care of the cats and still have fun!  Man - just sitting outside on the lake 
watching the cats play in the enclosures sounds so relaxing.  I'm ready to move 
right now.
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 09:47:15 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)





Lorrie,
 
I like the way Maureen thinks!  I can help Maureen take care of all of your 
cats, I love her idea even though she's kidding.  It would be a great place to 
retire and between the two of us, we can take care of all the furry babies!  
Afterall, I will be 47 next month :0)
 
L

- Original Message - 
From: molvey...@hotmail.com 
To: Lorrie ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

Lorrie - I'll pack my bags and be right up.  Living on a lake taking care of 
cats sounds awesome.  I'm 45 so hopefully will be around until all your cats 
die!  Give me driving directions!!!  I'm a CPA so can work to keep your cats in 
the lifestyle they're accustomed to living.

Ok, just kidding.  Wish I could take off sometimes.  I've got a lot of cats 
too, but unless something tragic happens hopefully I'll outlive them.  It's 
scary to think about the future though because you just don't know what will 
happen and when.

I've missed a lot of this thread so I might have missed something but if you're 
78, then you could still outlive your cats.  My Grandmother is 92 and lives in 
a small apartment on her own.  Best to make plans now of course but by the time 
you're gone who knows what the situation will be.

Tell your kids that you're leaving your house and money to them so between the 
three of them they could make room for all the cats!  Fifteen cats split three 
ways is no big deal.  Cats are pretty easy.  Tell them they could close in 
their garage or build an extra room with your money and then enclose an area of 
their yard for the cats to go in and that's all the cats would need.  Tell them 
if they don't you're writing them out of your will!


sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: "Lorrie" 
Date: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 6:54 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
To: 

> On 09-08, Gloria Lane wrote:

> I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address
> that I wonder?

There are many cat sanctuaries listed on the web, but most are full.
Then too, many fail and become like hoarding places because they take
in too many cats to care for properly.  It is truly difficult to find
a good sanctuary, but I'll keep trying. If I knew who would take care
of my 15 cats I'd give them my house which is a lovely home in a
resort area on a lake.  It has been built around the needs of my
cats, and has three outside enclosures they can access from the
inside via cat flaps.  It is also in the woods on several acres 
with no traffic. It is a paradise for my cats, and I just wish
someone could let them continue the happy life they know and love.
I will not go to my grave and be at peace until I know my babies
are taken care of.

Lorrie

> On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
> 
> > I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and
> > whatever may show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be
> > used for their care until they all leave this world.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

[Maureen Olvey]

See Lorrie - now everything has been worked out!  So tell your three kids if 
they don't get off their butts and offer to take your babies in that you're 
going to have two strange women (well, I'm strange anyway) living in your house 
taking care of your animals.  And we're not going to let them come enjoy the 
lake either!!!
 
And people wonder why I don't have kids.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 09:47:15 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)





Lorrie,
 
I like the way Maureen thinks!  I can help Maureen take care of all of your 
cats, I love her idea even though she's kidding.  It would be a great place to 
retire and between the two of us, we can take care of all the furry babies!  
Afterall, I will be 47 next month :0)
 
L

- Original Message - 
From: molvey...@hotmail.com 
To: Lorrie ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

Lorrie - I'll pack my bags and be right up.  Living on a lake taking care of 
cats sounds awesome.  I'm 45 so hopefully will be around until all your cats 
die!  Give me driving directions!!!  I'm a CPA so can work to keep your cats in 
the lifestyle they're accustomed to living.

Ok, just kidding.  Wish I could take off sometimes.  I've got a lot of cats 
too, but unless something tragic happens hopefully I'll outlive them.  It's 
scary to think about the future though because you just don't know what will 
happen and when.

I've missed a lot of this thread so I might have missed something but if you're 
78, then you could still outlive your cats.  My Grandmother is 92 and lives in 
a small apartment on her own.  Best to make plans now of course but by the time 
you're gone who knows what the situation will be.

Tell your kids that you're leaving your house and money to them so between the 
three of them they could make room for all the cats!  Fifteen cats split three 
ways is no big deal.  Cats are pretty easy.  Tell them they could close in 
their garage or build an extra room with your money and then enclose an area of 
their yard for the cats to go in and that's all the cats would need.  Tell them 
if they don't you're writing them out of your will!


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- Reply message -
From: "Lorrie" 
Date: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 6:54 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
To: 

> On 09-08, Gloria Lane wrote:

> I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address
> that I wonder?

There are many cat sanctuaries listed on the web, but most are full.
Then too, many fail and become like hoarding places because they take
in too many cats to care for properly.  It is truly difficult to find
a good sanctuary, but I'll keep trying. If I knew who would take care
of my 15 cats I'd give them my house which is a lovely home in a
resort area on a lake.  It has been built around the needs of my
cats, and has three outside enclosures they can access from the
inside via cat flaps.  It is also in the woods on several acres 
with no traffic. It is a paradise for my cats, and I just wish
someone could let them continue the happy life they know and love.
I will not go to my grave and be at peace until I know my babies
are taken care of.

Lorrie

> On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
> 
> > I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and
> > whatever may show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be
> > used for their care until they all leave this world.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

[Maureen Olvey]

You can give baby aspirin like every other day or 72 hours or something like 
that for just a few days though.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:44:05 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch



Same here!   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch It has always been my understanding that you 
should never give asprin to cats:
 Aspirin Side EffectsAspirin is not a medication that is typically administered 
to cats. If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: Stomach 
acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcersUpset stomachVomitingDiarrheaBlood 
coagulation delaysLack of appetite

Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo  > From: 
marciabmar...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch
> 
> Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few 
> treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was 
> so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to 
> eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 
> times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard 
> chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on 
> under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His 
> fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. 
> Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be 
> like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I 
> don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I 
> don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be 
> appreciated. Where does the fever come from?
> Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you.
> 
> Marcia
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

[Maureen Olvey]

>From the subject line I think we already talked about diatomaceous 
earth.  It's good stuff too.  I used it in conjunction with the 
nematodes and all of it together made a big difference.

Oh, nematodes can't handle the sun so put them in shady areas.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 22:55:36 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
> 
> gOT TO TRY SOJE OF THOSE LITTLE GUYS!  With all the critters I have roaming 
> around my place, I need something.  Come to think of it, all the deer, 
> raccoons, possumn, etc. will prbably apprecite them too, also.  At least they 
> would not be dropping them off to get on my guys.
> 
> 
>  Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> > 
> > They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some 
> > nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from 
> > online.  I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can 
> > testify to them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through 
> > the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the 
> > mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were 
> > in the shipping process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a 
> > little leary.  But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring 
> > worked great.  Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those 
> > little black ants coming in either.  I think I'll be putting them down 
> > every year from now on.
> > 
> > I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a 
> > lot of time on the ground.
> > 
> > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
> > Twain
> > 
> > > From: ho...@sonic.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> > > 
> > > Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
> > > What are they called & where do you get them!
> > > ~Bonnie
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> > > 
> > > No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly 
> > > nematodes around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the 
> > > cats.
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > dlg...@windstream.net
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> > > 
> > > I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  
> > > 
> > > It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had 
> > > been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff 
> > > over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I 
> > > took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood 
> > > also.  Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to 
> > > her normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. 
> > >  I check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now 
> > > everyone got a dose of tick treament.  I have since found a lot of them 
> > > on myself, seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with 
> > > them?
> > > 
> > >  Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
> > > > I noticed a couple people have mentione

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Maureen Olvey]

Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
though.

Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  I've 
had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a 
solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon doesn't help don't 
be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the food, other parasites 
just so many things.  Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for 
kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's getting enough water and let the 
vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test 
the elasticity.

If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic 
to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing 
else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea.

With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so 
I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be too 
much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for 
sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.

So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know 
how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there are so 
many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws 
their way so keep that in mind and be positive.

Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to 
help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from 
the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that prognosis?? 
He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still very 
sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not improved, and 
also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
When should I re-test?

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM,   wrote:

I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the  IFA and Elisa.  It has 
been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie.



 Marcia Baronda  wrote:

> No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you

> can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.

> All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!

> Just think what that would look like all compiled together.

>

> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

>

> >  You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!

> > There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life

> > and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who

> > have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg

> > at about 3 months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed to

> > the outside or any pos cats…..

> >

> > ** **

> >

> > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:

> > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth

> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM

> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

> >

> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

> >

> >   ** **

> >

> > I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.

> >

> >  

> >

> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org *

> > ***

> >

> >  

> >

> > ** **

> >   --

> >

> > *From:* Natalie 

> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

> >

> > Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.

> >

> > New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had

> > the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!

> >

> >  

> >

> > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:

> > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth

> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM

> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

> >

> >  

> >

> > Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT

> > mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their

> > bone marrow.

> >

> >  Beth

> >

> > Don'

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

[Maureen Olvey]

They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some 
nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from online. 
 I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can testify to 
them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through the mail 
because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the mail the ice 
bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were in the shipping 
process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a little leary.  But 
the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring worked great.  Man did 
it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those little black ants coming in 
either.  I think I'll be putting them down every year from now on.

I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a lot 
of time on the ground.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> From: ho...@sonic.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
> What are they called & where do you get them!
> ~Bonnie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes 
> around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  
> 
> It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had been 
> using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a 
> river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey 
> to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  Vet gave 
> her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but 
> they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every time 
> they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick 
> treament.  I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular 
> ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
> 
>  Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
> > I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
> > dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
> > watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
> > Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
> > for dogs on it. So
> > *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
> > first about adjusting the dosage.
> > 
> > Cindy & Angel Jackpot
> > 
> > From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
> > discussing it with my feline asthma group.
> > 
> > Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a 
> > cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things 
> > ten times worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no 
> > problems.
> > Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
> > size and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution 
> > isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
> > fleas.  If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an 
> > especially bad year.
> > Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes 
> > switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a 
> > tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is 
> > processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
> > for so long.  Who knows.  If you've been using Advantage maybe you 
> > should try Revolution or Frontline Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus 
> > kills fleas and larvae so it kills and breaks the life cycle so that 
> > might be a good one too.  I hate using all these chemicals on my cats 
> > but there's no way around it for me because I've got so many plus a few 
> > ferals that live here that I can't touch.

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Maureen Olvey]

I'm not sure.  I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet and is 
given as in-office treatments.  I think it's stronger than what you bought for 
the collies but I'm not positive about it.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal Health 
ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic mange and 
that was one of the things we used to help treat them.


Thanks so much
Marcia

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:





I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!

- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell count 
down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from others 
on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as 
though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  If a vet 
says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help 
because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and 
to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime 
he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or 
whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on he has a tumor 
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die."  The cat may 
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his 
life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested 
them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still 
the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his 
injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in every 
case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal 
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the vet 
said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later and he was 
fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  He was like 8 
years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in that had wounds 
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. 
 LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye 
over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat 
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
God's Creations!"  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can 
to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to 
honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it nicely   ;-) 
Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt!


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Maureen
I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
as far as

Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Maureen Olvey]

Like I mentioned in my last e-mail - from what this vet told me, the IFA test 
is a confirmation of FeLV if it turns up positive so you wouldn't need a bone 
marrow aspirate.  Now if the IFA is negative now and you do another IFA later 
on and it's still negative then either the cat has exterminated the virus or 
has put it into dormancy.  When a cat has put the virus into dormancy both the 
ELISA and the IFA will be negative and only a bone marrow aspirate would tell 
if the virus is in dormancy.  I'm just going on what I'm reading and what that 
one vet is telling me.
 
Also, I read that many cats that put the virus into dormancy could extinguish 
the virus altogether years later
 
There is always a chance that the IFA can show a false positive, but 99% of the 
time it's right.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:59:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt






Hi Marcia,
 
I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine 
where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have 
to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was 
inactive on this list for quite some time.  I recently reactivated because I 
missed reading about the kitties.
 
His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind.  I 
think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings 
he may be just fine.  If you never read the book "Homer's Odyssey", you should. 
 That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted 
quite well.  Wonderful story.
 
I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat.  Or at 
least drastically cut down on the amount.  He'd eat beef every day if he had a 
choice.
 
T

- Original Message - 
From: Marcia Baronda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt


Terri
 
I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where 
Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and 
said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish 
followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am 
a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. 
it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as 
dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end 
up getting scratched or bit. That's OK.
Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats 
today and continually growls at me(-;  I asked my vet about retesting him and 
she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after 
reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I 
am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. 
I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not 
feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has 
totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little 
guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do 
you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions??
 
Take care everyone
Marcia


On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown  wrote:




I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected.  I understand that they are 
meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect.  This is why I am 
such a fan of Temple Grandin.  She got it right.
 
I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the 
cruelty they get like this.  I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated.  It 
is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of 
cattle.  There are more humane ways to slaughter them.
 
My 2 cents.
 
=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=




- Original Message - 
From: Marcia Baronda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the 
horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had 
overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the 
road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so 
Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I 
thought. they ask if I

Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

[Maureen Olvey]

If after a few weeks the amoxi isn't working ask the vet about switching 
antibiotics to a stronger one.  It'd be nice if they knew where the infection 
was.  He probably does have an infection since he has a fever but the infection 
came from somewhere, not just a generalized infection.  Since they mentioned a 
virus I wonder if they're thinking it's an upper respiratory infection.  Either 
way, I guess antibiotics are called for.  I still say maybe an immune system 
stimulant since he probably does have FeLV.  Not that everytime a cat is sick 
does it mean FeLV but if he truly does have FeLV then it will be extra hard for 
his body to fight off the infection.
 
Prednisone can negatively affect the immune system.  It can be a really good 
thing but I've just heard it can suppress the immune system.  Guess you have to 
balance out the benefits of it with the potential negatives.  Did they say why 
they wanted to use prednisone?  I think it's normally used for some kind of 
inflammation.  I imagine they have a good reason for suggesting it but you 
should ask to be sure you understand why they want to use it before making a 
decision.
 
I would definitely re-test but the question is when.  You could do the IFA test 
right now but if it comes up negative then you would need to do another one 
later on to see if the infection has gotten into his white blood cells.  It 
takes a little time from the time the virus gets into his bloodstream before it 
gets into his white blood cells so the ELISA could be positive right now and 
the IFA negative but then positive later.  Or his body may fight off the virus 
so right now he could have a positive ELISA but a negative IFA.  Then when his 
body fights it off he should have a negative ELISA and a negative IFA.  Myself, 
I'd be curious and want to do the IFA test now to know if it's in his white 
blood cells already, but knowing you'll have to pay for another one later on 
(if it's negative) then maybe you should wait.  Your decision.  Whenever you do 
decide to do the test just demand your vet do it whether she thinks it's 
necessary or not.  Recently a vet told someone in our rescue that she shouldn't 
do the IFA because the ELISA test was the "gold standard."  Thankfully the 
foster parent realized the vet was a clueless about FeLV and the two different 
tests so she demanded he do the IFA test anyway.  But if you decide to wait on 
the IFA test then since Fletch is sick I would treat him as though he had FeLV 
and get him on immunoreglin or something like it until he gets well.
 
The one vet told me that a positive IFA means the virus is in his white blood 
cells and there's no need for further testing because once it's in his white 
blood cells the cat will not fight off the virus and won't put it into dormancy 
either.  He will stay positive for FeLV.  So if you do the IFA test now and 
it's positive then you can consider him definitely positive, according to her 
anyway, and not do another test later.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:14:56 -0500
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch


Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a 
membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of 
these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting 
that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he 
eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where 
everything is. 
The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp 
of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under 
control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the 
infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday 
when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it 
if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions.  Oh, today I 
got my liquid b complex and started him on that.
 
thanks guys
 
oh I turned 59 in July(-:


On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:

>Fletch  is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
>cats  today  and  continually  growls  at  me(-;  I asked my vet about
>retesting  him  and  she  said  it's  not necessary since he's already
>cliically  ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
>that  you  don't  agree.  that is why I am here, for outside help from
>people  that  have  years  of  experience  with  this. I will have him
>retested  of  course. Do you think his

Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Maureen Olvey]

LOL - I can see you (not that I know what you look like) in the courtroom at 
jury selection and you saying "Hang the Bastard."  I still can't stop laughing. 
 I would imagine everyone mouth dropped open.  Mostly because they agreed but 
were too scared to say it themselves.

I hate the physical changes of age but being more secure emotionally is worth 
it. 

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 

> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:02:56 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
> 
> Anyone who abuses animals and children and seniors deserves a swift kick in 
> the . I have no patience with them and really don't give a d--- if they 
> don't like it.
> I have never been asked to serve on a jury in a case of animal, child, senior 
> abuse or drug charges. When asked if I have an opinioin on the case, I say 
> they should hang the bastard. They never do pick me. Can't figure out why. I 
> am also 70. Maybe age does have something to do with it.
> 
> 
>  "D.S.Louis"  wrote: 
> > At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do 
> > itjust ask my kids..
> 
> 
> "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS."
> 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
> 
> Congratulations!  I don't get these people, if they don't really care for
> the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary
> value?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
> 
> I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
> animals for several years now.
> 
> Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
> a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
> in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
> hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
> one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
> them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
> she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
> yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
> the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!
> 
> She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Tee hee.
> 
> Wonder what I'll be like at 80?
> 
> kat
> 
> On 8/23/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
> >>You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
> >>Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
> >>older, there ARE perks.
> >
> > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
> > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
> > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.
> >
> > Lorrie
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

[Maureen Olvey]

I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when 
they don't feel well.  That's probably it.
 
Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill.  
But, that's a probably, not a definite.  It wouldn't hurt to re-test.  Well 
other than the cost.  That always hurts.  I think an IFA test is about $100 on 
average.
 
Why are they giving him amoxi?  Does he definitely have an infection of some 
sort?  Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic.  I can't tell you 
what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection 
she thinks he has.  I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is 
wrong with him.  Why did he go blind?  Is that something FeLV can cause?  I've 
never read about it.
 
Has she suggested trying immunoreglin?  You need to ask her about it.  It's 
what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick.  I 
think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it 
online.  There's another one called interferon.  I think there's different type 
of interferon and some are given as injections.  I've never used immunoreglin 
or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing 
something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and 
blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what 
sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get.  Seems like I've heard of other things 
but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 

> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
> 
> On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:
> 
> > Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
> > cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about
> > retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already
> > cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
> > that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from
> > people that have years of experience with this. I will have him
> > retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling
> > well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has
> > totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor
> > little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
> > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some
> > prednisone. What are you opinions??
> 
> I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until 
> he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him
> irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile?
> 
> Lorrie 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Maureen Olvey]

The older I get the less I feel the need to be tactful.  That's probably good 
and bad.  Good for me cause I don't hold things in and don't let people get to 
me as much.  Bad for them because they have to put up with me and my bluntness. 
 I am a little worse when it comes to animals though.  I'll tell someone off in 
a heartbeat.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:47:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  My 1 year old just diagnosed










I can appreciate your last 
paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Maureen 
  Olvey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 
  AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old 
  just diagnosed
  

  It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like 
  the more vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't 
know 
  about it.  But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for 
  all cats, even Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about 
  Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell count down or something?  
  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from others on the list, 
  even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as though he 
  didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  If a vet 
  says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will 
  help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have 
FeLV 
  and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die 
  everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his 
  treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on 
  he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him 
  die."  The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is 
  fine for the rest of his life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue 
  and in dealing with feral cats I've taken two or three to the vet that 
  had an injury or something and when the vet tested them for FIV they were 
  positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still the vets in 
  every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his injuries because 
  of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in every case I 
  said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal before 
  putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
  cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the 
  vet said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later 
  and he was fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half 
  years ago.  He was like 8 years old at the time.  I remember two 
  others that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and 
  they wouldn't recover because of the FIV.  LIke I said, the vet was wrong 
  in both cases and the cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous 
  and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye over Fletch but 
  it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds permit, find 
  out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat 
  it.
 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't 
  tell you what I normally say to them.  Something to the effect of "I'd 
  rather be a crazy cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted 
  wretch who didn't appreciate God's Creations!"  Better to love too much 
  than too little so what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so 
  much that you want to do whatever you can to save it's life.  If God 
  is Love then love comes from God and to love is to honor God and the 
  creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it nicely   
  ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss 
  my animal loving butt!


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection 
  produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain 
  which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward 
  it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking 
  further.” – Mark Twain
 


  
  
  
  
  From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 
  22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just 
  diagnosed


  Maureen
  I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods 
  yet, as far as my adults go, but hoping. 

Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Maureen Olvey]

The only reason I can think of to give them an annual vaccination is to protect 
them from Fletch if he turns out to definitely be FeLV positive.  You would 
think that if they were going to get FeLV from Fletch they would have gotten it 
by now but I guess there's a chance they still could get it later on like if 
their immune system is compromised by illness or some other reason.  I don't 
know.  Hard call.  Of course if they've developed somewhat of an immunity to 
FeLV from being exposed to it through Fletch then maybe they'll always be 
immune and not need an annual shot.  It's kind of like better safe than sorry.  
If Fletch does pass on before they do then there's no reason to keep up their 
vaccinations.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:21:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed

Thanks. I really like this vet, and I believe that the newer younger vets will 
hardly ever tell you to put an animal down, whereas The older ones that I have 
dealt with don't hesitate to suggest that. This new one was recently hired by 
my regular veterinarian, and he is great, knows everything, so I know the new 
guy must be good or he wouldn't be there. All the people at my vets office are 
wonderful. Can't tell I really like them, can you?Now, if my cats never ever go 
outside, do they need this shot every year? The closest they have ever come to 
outside is looking through a window.
Take care

Sent from my iPad
On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Maureen Olvey  wrote:


The vet that I mentioned in my other e-mail that I was talking to about FeLV 
said that for your negatives you do need a series of two shots, three weeks 
apart.  She said one FeLV vaccination by itself is not enough.  I specifically 
asked her one time if one shot would  help at all but she said no that either 
it was two shots or nothing.  After that then it's annually.  Maybe there is 
some flexibility in the weeks between, like maybe you could go 4 weeks instead 
of 3 but I really don't know.  I've just always heard 3 weeks.  Definitely not 
longer than 4 weeks.

 

A young vet can actually be better in some ways because a lot of the older vets 
hear FeLV and immediately recommend putting the cat down.  That sends me over 
the edge.  They don't even talk about confirming with an IFA test.  The vet 
that I mentioned actually wrote one of the first papers about using 
immunoregulin for treating FeLV years ago.  Everyone else at the time just 
recommended killing the cat once it showed any signs at all of being sick.  
She's one of the better "older" vets.  She's not old but she's been practicing 
for a while, which is what I mean.

 

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:42:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Hi Lynda
I think, well I know I am dealing with a very young vet, but he is concerned 
and that is good. When I asked today when to bring the cats back he Said in a 
year. The receptionist told me when I got ready to leave to come back in a 
month. If you say three weeks than I will take them back in three weeks! Thank 
you very much, I feel like I have a bunch new caring friends(-:

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:40 PM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:





Marcia,
 
Just a friendly reminder, in order for the vaccination to be effective, the cat 
has to have 2 shots, 3 weeks apart (no more than that or you have to start 
over).
 
Hang in there! There is still hope! What Maureen said is right on the money :0)
Lynda

- Original Message - 
From: Marcia Baronda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Christiane
 
That is wonderful! I keep hearing a lot of stories filled with hope. I keep 
telling Fletch he can kickthis and he growls at me(-: He's a stinker!!  I had 
my two vaccinated today and the third one is going to the vet tomorrow. I hope 
he is negative also.
 
Thanks so much for sharing.
Take care
Marcia


On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Christiane Biagi  wrote:

My Tucson is 13 & was found pos when she was 4.  She had tested neg as
kitten but was never outside so vets were sure she was 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Maureen Olvey]

What's funny is that those people who give us grief usually are the ones that 
don't own animals.  Then later when they get a pet a lot of them became the 
sappy animal lovers like we are.   I love it when that happens.  I tell people 
that don't like cats that it's usually because they don't own a cat.  To know 
one is to love one (in most cases).

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:27:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  My 1 year old just diagnosed

AMEN!!! I finally realized I dont owe THEM an explanation. I think every little 
beings life is important to that being and if I can help save that life, I will.

Sent from my iPad
On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:41 AM, Maureen Olvey  wrote:


It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell count 
down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from others 
on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as 
though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  If a vet 
says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help 
because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and 
to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime 
he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or 
whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on he has a tumor 
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die."  The cat may 
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his 
life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested 
them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still 
the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his 
injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in every 
case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal 
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the vet 
said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later and he was 
fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  He was like 8 
years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in that had wounds 
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. 
 LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye 
over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.

 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat 
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
God's Creations!"  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can 
to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to 
honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it nicely   ;-) 
Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt!


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Maureen
I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv cat 
didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you today 
that there can definitely be 

[Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Maureen Olvey]

It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell count 
down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from others 
on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as 
though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  If a vet 
says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help 
because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and 
to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime 
he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or 
whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on he has a tumor 
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die."  The cat may 
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his 
life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested 
them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still 
the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his 
injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in every 
case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal 
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the vet 
said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later and he was 
fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  He was like 8 
years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in that had wounds 
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. 
 LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye 
over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat 
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
God's Creations!"  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can 
to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to 
honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it nicely   ;-) 
Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt!


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 





From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Maureen
I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv cat 
didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you today 
that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so grateful 
for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because sometimes 
we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are!
Thank you Maureen. 
Please take care
Marcia

Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey  
wrote:





Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV 
positive cat.  Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she 
tested negative as a kitten.  Anyway, the two lived together for two years 
until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's negative.  I've got 
a houseful of my cats and fosters and I've only tested like 7 of them so far 
but they've all been negative.  None are vaccinated against FeLV either.  It's 
weird.  I totally expected my FIV kitty to contract it.  I'm glad he didn't of 
course.
 
One vet I talked to said that it's possible the FeLV kitty put the virus into 
dormancy as a kitten which is why she tested negative and then it reactivated 
later as an adul

Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Maureen Olvey]

The vet that I mentioned in my other e-mail that I was talking to about FeLV 
said that for your negatives you do need a series of two shots, three weeks 
apart.  She said one FeLV vaccination by itself is not enough.  I specifically 
asked her one time if one shot would  help at all but she said no that either 
it was two shots or nothing.  After that then it's annually.  Maybe there is 
some flexibility in the weeks between, like maybe you could go 4 weeks instead 
of 3 but I really don't know.  I've just always heard 3 weeks.  Definitely not 
longer than 4 weeks.
 
A young vet can actually be better in some ways because a lot of the older vets 
hear FeLV and immediately recommend putting the cat down.  That sends me over 
the edge.  They don't even talk about confirming with an IFA test.  The vet 
that I mentioned actually wrote one of the first papers about using 
immunoregulin for treating FeLV years ago.  Everyone else at the time just 
recommended killing the cat once it showed any signs at all of being sick.  
She's one of the better "older" vets.  She's not old but she's been practicing 
for a while, which is what I mean.
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:42:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Hi Lynda
I think, well I know I am dealing with a very young vet, but he is concerned 
and that is good. When I asked today when to bring the cats back he Said in a 
year. The receptionist told me when I got ready to leave to come back in a 
month. If you say three weeks than I will take them back in three weeks! Thank 
you very much, I feel like I have a bunch new caring friends(-:

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On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:40 PM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:





Marcia,
 
Just a friendly reminder, in order for the vaccination to be effective, the cat 
has to have 2 shots, 3 weeks apart (no more than that or you have to start 
over).
 
Hang in there! There is still hope! What Maureen said is right on the money :0)
Lynda

- Original Message - 
From: Marcia Baronda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Christiane
 
That is wonderful! I keep hearing a lot of stories filled with hope. I keep 
telling Fletch he can kickthis and he growls at me(-: He's a stinker!!  I had 
my two vaccinated today and the third one is going to the vet tomorrow. I hope 
he is negative also.
 
Thanks so much for sharing.
Take care
Marcia


On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Christiane Biagi  wrote:

My Tucson is 13 & was found pos when she was 4.  She had tested neg as
kitten but was never outside so vets were sure she was pos from birth.  She
lives with my other cats all of whom were around her for 3-4 years before I
found her to be pos.  She's still going strong and none of the other cats
tested pos.  I vaccinated the others.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed




Hi everyone!  My one year old sweet litle boy was just diagnosed. I have a
million questions and hope to learn a lot from all of you. This is every
hard to swallow. I have 3 other adult cats in myj house that have not been
vaccinated for felv. I didn't see a reason for it, I didn't trust the
vaccine and I am sorry now. Funny thing is, is that I tried so hard to keep
my cats healthy. I wouldn't even wear my shoes in the house for fear I would
carry something in!
Anyway, my little boy Fletch has a fever, horrible looking coat and I can
feel his hipbones and some of his backbone. He continues to eat and drink
ok. They are on a grain free diet and have a water fountain.
Thanks so much for being here.

Marcia
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Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Maureen Olvey]

Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV 
positive cat.  Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she 
tested negative as a kitten.  Anyway, the two lived together for two years 
until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's negative.  I've got 
a houseful of my cats and fosters and I've only tested like 7 of them so far 
but they've all been negative.  None are vaccinated against FeLV either.  It's 
weird.  I totally expected my FIV kitty to contract it.  I'm glad he didn't of 
course.
 
One vet I talked to said that it's possible the FeLV kitty put the virus into 
dormancy as a kitten which is why she tested negative and then it reactivated 
later as an adult.  Maybe that's what happened with Fletch.  I wouldn't have 
thought a kitten would have a strong enough immune system to put the virus into 
dormancy but who knows.  But still once it reactivated in my cat I would have 
thought she could have spread the virus to my other cats.  This vet also said 
that most vets now days believe that healthy adult cats are pretty much immune 
to the virus.  Still best to vaccinate your other cats annually but I'm just 
saying it's not surprising your others are negative.
 
I also have a friend who mixes her negatives and positives together.  She just 
keeps her negatives vaccinated annually.  She even has FIV cats mixed in and 
keeps them vaccinated too and they have never caught the FeLV virus.  
 
Definitely get an IFA test to confirm the ELISA test.  The ELISA test is wrong 
in about 30% of the cases from what someone else told me.  It's a very 
sensitive test so if it's not done perfectly it can show a false positive.  
Course since Fletch is sick it could be correct but you should still confirm 
with the IFA test.  If the IFA test is negative then it means the virus hasn't 
gotten into his white blood cells and t-cell lymphocytes (I have no idea what 
that is, I just read it) so he still has a chance of exterminating the virus 
completely or putting it into dormancy.  So if his IFA test is negative then do 
a retest in a couple months to see if it has gotten that far or not.  You need 
two test with the same results to confirm FeLV status.
 
If after doing the IFA, Fletch shows positive definitely look into immune 
system stimulants like interferon and immunoreglin.  I don't know much about 
them but others on the list do and your vet should know.  Need to keep Fletch 
around for a long long time.  Since he's sick right now I'd go ahead and get 
him going on this kind of stuff.
 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: hideyo.yamam...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:55:56 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed





Sorry - correction - I meant to say - Felk virus SEEMS to be very fragile - 
Sorry!
 



From: hideyo.yamam...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:49:36 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed




I always believe that, things happen for a reason - we may not know why right 
away.. but it does - and I truly believe that something good will come out of 
the situation - 
 
Contrary to some literature, felk virus does not seem to be very fragile in the 
air - as mentioned, my friends mix their kitties - and they have several 
kitties - and none of their negatives has become positve -they groom each 
other, they wrestle each other, they share food/water bowls.. 
 
  h
 

> From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:04:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> 
> Thank you Hideyo! I felt so guilty and a lot of other things, all of you have 
> helped so much. You have given me hope.
> Take care
> Marcia
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:15 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO  wrote:
> 
> > Hi, I did not read the original message - but I just wanted to share.
> > 
> > I have one Felk girl, her name is gigner and she is now 7 years old -and I 
> > also have a couple of friends who have several felk kitties - they are all 
> > over 10 years old and they are all very healthty -
> > 
> > Separately, I also have a couple of friends who mix their felk positive 
> > kitties wiht non negatives for a several years - they share eveyrthing - 
> > but none of their negatives have beome positives - 
> > 
> > Sending good thoughts to all of your babies.
> > 
> > h
> > 
> > > From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:31:39 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> > > 
> > > Thanks for all the hope that you have given me. Fletch had t

Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

[Maureen Olvey]

LOL - I swear cats can be so funny.  They know how to drive each other crazy.  


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 

> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:21:20 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
> CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
> 
> My Casey sonds like him in the personalilty at least. She walks up to the 
> others and stares at them. They hiss and run and I swear she gets a cheshire 
> cat grin on her face. She also stalks them, but seems to get her kicks just 
> staring them down.
> 
>  Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> > 
> > I think it's just that Cotton will not die until he's good and ready!!! 
> > He's a mess. Can't remember if I said this before or not, I think I did, 
> > but he only has one eye, two teeth, and feline asthma (and of course FIV). 
> > This old lady that had him loved him but had a housefull and never took any 
> > of them to the vet. So, he's definitely a survivor. When he first came to 
> > live with me he was "the man" and put all my cats on the run. Never fought, 
> > just gave them the one evil eye and they'd hiss and run. My husband used to 
> > laugh and say that all they had to do was come at him from the left where 
> > is bad eye is and take him out and he wouldn't see it coming. He's mellowed 
> > out a lot since then but not too many will take him on even today. A few 
> > still see him and run when he comes near.
> > 
> > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
> > Twain
> > 
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:04:43 -0500
> > > From: dlg...@windstream.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
> > > 
> > > Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he was abl 
> > > to ward off the felv.
> > >  Natalie  wrote: 
> > > > That's one for the booksamazing!
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > molvey...@hotmail.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM
> > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
> > > > 
> > > > Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's an 
> > > > older
> > > > gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two year old 
> > > > cat
> > > > of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested
> > > > negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived together 
> > > > sharing
> > > > food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her too 
> > > > when
> > > > she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday. Can
> > > > you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying the 
> > > > odds.
> > > > Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the
> > > > disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I just 
> > > > assumed
> > > > he had gotten it from her.
> > > > 
> > > > Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.
> > > > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

[Maureen Olvey]

I think it's just that Cotton will not die until he's good and ready!!!  He's a 
mess.  Can't remember if I said this before or not, I think I did, but he only 
has one eye, two teeth, and feline asthma (and of course FIV).  This old lady 
that had him loved him but had a housefull and never took any of them to the 
vet.  So, he's definitely a survivor.  When he first came to live with me he 
was "the man" and put all my cats on the run.  Never fought, just gave them the 
one evil eye and they'd hiss and run.  My husband used to laugh and say that 
all they had to do was come at him from the left where is bad eye is and take 
him out and he wouldn't see it coming.   He's mellowed out a lot since then but 
not too many will take him on even today.  A few still see him and run when he 
comes near.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 

> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:04:43 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
> 
> Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he was abl to 
> ward off the felv.
>  Natalie  wrote: 
> > That's one for the booksamazing!
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> > molvey...@hotmail.com
> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
> > 
> > Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's an older
> > gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two year old cat
> > of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested
> > negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing
> > food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her too when
> > she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday. Can
> > you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying the odds.
> > Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the
> > disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I just assumed
> > he had gotten it from her.
> > 
> > Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Maureen Olvey]

You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark 
ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies.  I 
can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's 
mouth with the intention of smothering it.  And about the whole licking the 
babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can 
still breath out of it's nose.  I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to 
smother a baby.  And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the 
baby.  And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger 
than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother 
it.  Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700
> From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get 
> rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't 
> take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has 
> happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby 
> than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but 
> I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her 
> house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when 
> there are hundreds of "babies" waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, 
> people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot 
> stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? 
> 
> From: Lorrie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> 
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > throw-away-society!
> > 
> __-
> 
> Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
> all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
> nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Maureen Olvey]

The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the 
animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need 
to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the 
road.  Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700
> From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals 
> to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out 
> there get kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger or 
> realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It 
> makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but 
> makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because 
> they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was 
> just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. 
> 
> 
> From: Edna Taylor 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it 
> hard to walk and drive a car without a spine?
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
> > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> > happened to be orange & white :)
> > 
> > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. 
> > I 
> > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
> > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
> > how will he treat her? Geez!
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Edna Taylor" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
> > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, 
> > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add 
> > insult 
> > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
> > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
> > be 
> > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
> > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> > 
> > 
> > > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > >
> > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
> > > and
> > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
> > > adopters
> > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
> > > do)
> > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > > delivered back to us safely.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Maureen Olvey]

I like that too.  However my husband just called to tell me one of our cats 
just brought in a bird (we have a cat fence in our backyard) and that the bird 
is trapped in my computer stand.  Makes me wonder why I love those little 
bloodthirsty killers.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:01:19 -0700
> From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
>  i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB!
> 
> 
> From: Edna Taylor 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the 
> truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what 
> amounts to really stupid reasons.  They also leave them in abandoned, 
> foreclosed homes to starve to death.  Does this mean that we are not 
> supportive and don't care?  No, it means many of us are in rescue and our 
> homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to 
> vent.  Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it 
> means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile 
> and I copied:
> 
> "My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may 
> eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I 
> promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good 
> at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not 
> only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me
> > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Maureen Olvey]

I guess we've all seen a little of everything.  The problem with us in rescue 
is that by definition "rescue" means you are rescuing homeless or abused 
animals.  So rescue people will always see the worst and it makes us hard and 
cynical.   The pure selfishness of people probably gets to me worse than 
anything else.  Although there are definitely some sick SOBs out there too.

Kelley, I would guess that the rescue you've worked with is an exception, not 
the rule.  At least I hope so.  None of the rescues in my area seem that way.  
Definitely not the rescue I work with.  Although we may not agree with the way 
other rescues do some things we're not going to sabotage them because they're 
helping animals that we can't help.  I'm in GA and there's a serious 
overpopulation problem here.  Dang cats don't take a break in winter and 
reproduce all year long.  Among my rescue group we may individually talk about 
the way we don't like a rescue handling things (we can all be a little catty) 
but we never tell other people outside our main core group that because it 
makes us look bad to bad-mouth another group in public.  Within our group we'll 
get pissed off at each other sometimes but that's a personality thing usually.  
Guess I'm lucky to have a group like mine.  We've done some things with the 
other groups too and I'll send people there if they want a particular kind of 
animal that we don't have at the time - like if they want a declawed cat and we 
don't have one I'll send them to another group.  Like I said, I'm lucky.  It 
sounds like you've worked with some crazies though.

I guess as far as people go I've seen a lot of bad but I've also seen a lot of 
good.  Sometimes I'm amazed the people that come by our adoptions to tell us 
about their wonderful cat/dog and how they've spoiled them rotten and I've been 
so fortunate to have found great homes for my animals.  It's amazing to me to 
see so many animal lovers.  I thought I was the only sick one out there  :-)   
My husband definitely thinks I'm the only one there is that loves animals the 
way I do.  

But, there's a lot of selfish people too and it's shocking to me the people 
that see animals as an object.  It's like they don't realize that it's a living 
being with feelings and needs.  It's like they don't even realize that by 
"getting rid" of their animal they are ripping it from it's home and turning 
their world upside down.  My co-worker said his mother needed to get rid of her 
cats and his attitude was so casual like "oh we'll just send them on" I wanted 
to slap him and say it's their home too.  I told him that if she was ready to 
give them up so easily she's probably one of those people who didn't need 
animals.  And it gets worse than that.  We've gotten animals that have been 
thrown out the car window while it was still moving and all kinds of crazy 
stuff.  Now that's just cruel.  Finding kittens & puppies in dumpsters in 
common around here.  Those are the kinds of people that many of us hate, or at 
least have no use for.   There are a lot of those sick people and there's no 
denying it.  But I guess even the ones with the casual attitude that just get 
tired of their pets are probably the worse because they're not sick in the 
head, they're just plain selfish and heartless.  They know better and still 
toss the animal out just cause they want to and what they want matters more to 
them.  Like Natalie said, it's a throw away society.  And the reason is because 
of plain selfishness and lack of empathy.  

This economy has made things a lot worse in our area.  There are people with 
legitimate reasons for needing to re-home their animals, like getting 
foreclosed on.  I always say that if I lose my house I'd live in my car in the 
woods with my animals before I'd turn them out, but if you've got kids you 
can't do that and sometimes you have to choose.  And there are many other 
legitimate reasons and people bring us their animals with tears.  But by and 
large, it's some sorry ass excuse that we can see right through.

I think because a lot of us in rescue see more homeless animals than we can 
possibly adopt out it's hard to remember all the good people we've met through 
rescue.  It seems the negative outweighs the good just in sheer numbers so I 
have to remind myself that although there really are some no good rotten people 
there are some truly wonderful people too with good hearts.  Even so, I have to 
admit that I say "I hate people" on a regular basis too.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



  
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