Re: Our Clack is gone
I'm so sorry for your loss:(
Re: RE: To Spay or not to spay
I am not a vet, but I have a heart disease kitty and I know they can be spayed with gas anesthesia only - apparently it is less stressful on the body? Maybe you could consider that? I know unspayed cats are more susceptible to various kinds of cancer than spayed cats, but I don't know how much of a concern that would be. If it were me I would probably get a couple of opinions from vets. I know it is a hard decision. - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:13 pm Subject: RE: To Spay or not to spay To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Definitely spaying (anesthesia) is more stressful than going through > heat - I am in a similar situation with my baby Ginger who is also > felkpositive. I have another felk positive kitty, Tsubomi who has > beenspayed already, but I have not spayed Ginger due to the same > reason as > you are facing with Lucy. Ginger is doing well right now, but she can > be very fragile and don't want to risk activating the virus and may > trigger any serious symptoms... my vet agrees with me. It's a > personalchoice, but since I lost one of my babies after spaying > surgery.. and > hearing after someone else's on the list who lost two of her kitties > (who were both felk positive four days after the spaying surgery), > I am > so scared to take that chance... > > > > _ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:44 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: To Spay or not to spay > > > > Good afternoon everyone! > > I have a question about whether or not to spay my Lucy. She was > symptomatic from when I got her at 4 months until about a month > ago but > now seems to be pretty healthy. Izzie was spayed a few weeks ago but > they wanted to wait to do Lucy until she had been healthy for a while. > The spaying was very stressful on Izzie and she got quite sick > afterwardbut has recovered. We didn't know she was Felv + until > after the > surgery. Lucy has gone into heat twice already and I think we're > gearingup for the next round. It is very stressful on her and the > last time by > day 7 her energy seemed really drained and she vomited a few times > whichI attributed to the stress on her body - the poor thing just > can'trelax! So my question is, what is more stressful, going into > heat or > having the spay surgery. The vet doesn't think it's a problem to have > her unspayed as she is strictly an indoor cat - although I do worry > about what would happen if she got out. I am biased toward having her > spay ed not just because of the stress on her but also because the > stress of her being in heat on me, the constant all-night yoweling > getsto be a lot. But can't help but feel that by deciding to get > her spayed > I could be killing her. Thoughts? Does anyone have any suggestions on > how to make being in heat easier on her? Thanks! Maggie > >
Re: Wanted Healthy Fiv positive male in Texas
We have some FIV males at Texas Siamese Rescue, and possibly some with Austin Siamese Rescue. With permission I will forward your email to them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:27 pm Subject: Wanted Healthy Fiv positive male in Texas To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hey everyone > I have an adopter with a Fiv positive looking for a companion. I > have a fiv > female.but she wants a male. Anyone? She is located in Texas > > see our available orphans at: > _http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html_ > (http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html) > Karen 817-453-2969 >
Re: RE: I'm New....kitten tested positive for FELV
Iams is not really a great brand. That being said I do feed it sometimes to my rescues/foster cats because I have 30 of them and I can't afford to feed them the premium foods right now. My sick kitty gets this stuff (she does not have FELV, she has a heart condition, but it is still important to keep up her immune system): http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&pxsl=%2F% [EMAIL PROTECTED] You want to look for something without grains in it. Iams does have grain in it. Their bodies do not process grain. I have learned lots about food from this list and I am grateful for the knowledge. Kelley - Original Message - From: kandbz_ mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:16 am Subject: RE: I'm Newkitten tested positive for FELV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > What types of food do you all recommend? Should I be feeding her > dry, canned or both? She eats whatever is put in front of her, > but especially likes the canned food. Is IAMS a good brand or > should I get something better? > > Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You will get > more than these responses?you?ve come to a great place w. some > very knowledgable people with first hand experience! > > First off, I think you might consider changing vets to someone > who is much more current and familiar with FELV?there is > absolutely no reason to euthanize a cat because its FELV+! That?s > a very dated protocol! > > I had 4 cats?one tested pos for FELV when she was 4 and she?d > been around the other cats her whole life (2 of the younger ones > had come in as kittens). They all tested neg and I just get them > a yearly FELV vaccine. They had not received vaccination prior to > my Tucson testing pos. > > Now I have 2 FELV + adult cats and 3 adult neg that just live > all together. My vet, who cares for a number of FELV cats in his > practice, is not particularly concerned about mixing. It is not > an easy disease for an adult cat to get?its not airborne and the > virus dies in seconds when exposed to the air! My cats all ate > out of the same dishes, groomed each other, shared toys, shared > litter boxes. > > Also, its still possible for kitten to throw off the virus over > the coming weeks/months. You may want to wait some time before > doing the IFA, the lab test. > > SO,don?t panic? more folks will give you a whole more details? > we?ve all been in your situation and it will work out. Just > maybe, start calling other vets to see who in your area is more > familiar with FELV? > >Chris > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kandbz_ mom > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:42 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: I'm Newkitten tested positive for FELV > > Thanks to the two people who have responded so far! Thanks for > the words of encouragement. I do have a question..both of my other > cats had their booster shots as kittens...but, is this FELV > vaccine something they should be getting every year? I was told > that since they are indoor cats, the only shots necessary were the > first sets. Is that correct? I am going crazy with worry. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi there, > > I would not euthanize a cat because they tested positive, unless > they > are very ill and suffering. > > You may want to try finding a more enlightened vet. > > I had a kitten come up light positive awhile ago. She was negative > the next time I had her tested. There are no guarantees this will > happen every time, but it does happen. > > If your other cats are vaccinated it is very very unlikely they > have > contracted it. > > Other folks on this list have more experience and will probably be > more helpful to you, I just wanted to say welcome and give you > some > hope. > > Thanks, > > Kelley > > - Original Message - > From: kandbz_ mom > Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:08 am > Subject: I'm Newkitten tested positive for FELV > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Hello! I recently adopted a kitten...she is now 15 weeks old. > The > > lady I got her from emailed me and said my kittens brother > tested > > positive. We went to the vet for a checkup on Monday and she > > tested positive for Felv. The vet came out right away and said I > > may want to think about having her euthanized. I asked if we > could > > wait and then do the other test, the one done at the lab. He > said > > we can, but since she came up positive so young, she probably > does > > have Felv. I am just heartbroken. SHe has no symptoms and is > > just the sweetest cat ever. I have to get my other two cats > > tested for it. My cats are 7 and 3 yrs old. They have never been > > tested for Felv because they don't automatically test here. When > > you take a cat or kitten in for a "checkup" they just routi
Re: I'm New....kitten tested positive for FELV
Hi there, I would not euthanize a cat because they tested positive, unless they are very ill and suffering. You may want to try finding a more enlightened vet. I had a kitten come up light positive awhile ago. She was negative the next time I had her tested. There are no guarantees this will happen every time, but it does happen. If your other cats are vaccinated it is very very unlikely they have contracted it. Other folks on this list have more experience and will probably be more helpful to you, I just wanted to say welcome and give you some hope. Thanks, Kelley - Original Message - From: kandbz_ mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:08 am Subject: I'm Newkitten tested positive for FELV To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hello! I recently adopted a kitten...she is now 15 weeks old. The > lady I got her from emailed me and said my kittens brother tested > positive. We went to the vet for a checkup on Monday and she > tested positive for Felv. The vet came out right away and said I > may want to think about having her euthanized. I asked if we could > wait and then do the other test, the one done at the lab. He said > we can, but since she came up positive so young, she probably does > have Felv. I am just heartbroken. SHe has no symptoms and is > just the sweetest cat ever. I have to get my other two cats > tested for it. My cats are 7 and 3 yrs old. They have never been > tested for Felv because they don't automatically test here. When > you take a cat or kitten in for a "checkup" they just routinely > give out the vaccine and don't test unless you ask for it. You > would think that as fast as this disease spreads, they would be > testing EVERY kitten/cat. I'm worried that my other two cats are > going to > have it now, too. Does anyone know, would I have to have all > three of them euthanized if that were the case?? I'm still > learning about this disease from reading things on the internet. > Would it be possible to keep her?? > Any advice would be helpful and appreciated. > > Thanks. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: I killed Grayson
You didn't kill him. Kittens die suddenly despite our best efforts and there is nothing we can do. He died knowing he was loved. That makes a difference. - Original Message - From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:59 am Subject: I killed Grayson To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > I just woke and Grayson was dead. I think I smothered him. I > think 2:30 was the last time he woke me up to be fed. I had him > up by my neck but remember finding him sleeping down next to me at > one point and moving him back up. I guess it didn't cross my mind > at the time that he should have been screaming for food at that > point. I just moved him back up higher on the bed and covered him > in his little towel and fell back asleep. When I woke again I > wondered why he hadn't cried yet or moved over to my neck. He was > dead because I had killed him. > > tonya > > > > >
Re: RE: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent!
I'm so sorry about the gray tabby. For those times when you can't be there with him, if you put a stuffed animal in his nest he will have something to cuddle up to. - Original Message - From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:06 am Subject: RE: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > The gray tabby has died. The solid gray seems to be in good > shape. The kitten that died did poop several times which I took > as a good sign. > > The living gray kitten seems to be doing ok. He will nurse, and > he has urinated, but that's all so far. > > I read on a website to massage the area before and after feeding. > > I'm going to take the little gray kitten to bed with me tonight > and see how it goes. I don't want to leave him by himself since > he lost his littermate. > > Thank you everyone. I hate just about everyone except people > like you who are on this list. :( > > t > > Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have absolutely no experience with kittens that > young but isn?t there also something about sort of ?massaging? > their rear so that they eliminate?its something mom cat does? > > Anything I?ve ever read about real young kittens suggests > replicating what mother would do?she?d be nuzzled up against them, > moving them around when she felt like moving, feeding on demand > and using her body to keep them warm. They stay close to mom to > hear that heartbeat and get the comfort. So, making a pouch and > holding next to you can?t possibly hurt, it seems to me. > >Chris > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:16 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent! > > I would feed them more often than that esp since you fear that > they were abandoned for a while. Don't stress out if they refuse > to eat each time, but do offer it to them. I'm so glad the one is > seeming to feel better. I can understand why they suggest not > "over handling" them, but they are writing this for, pardon me, > but the majority of idiots out there that would be handling them > differently than you. I don't expect that you'd be manipulating > them and keeping them awake. They will sleep just fine next to > your body, probably better. I understand you concern about > disease, you do, after all, have an felv kitty in the house, but > unless you are allowing them to crawl around with everyone else, > they should be fine under your t-shirt. I don't know, they've > already been through so much, if you can give them some warmth and > a feeling of security, I think it's worth the risk. I guess > there's the possibility that they are carrying something that > might endanger your guys, > but I really think if they had something horrible, like Panluek, > they'd be gone already. > Nina > > catatonya wrote: > > >I had been carrying them around and keeping them warm inside > my shirt, but one of the websites I read said that I should keep > them away from all other cats because they may not have immunity > from their mother. > > > >I just don't know. The other cats were in the vacated house. > One of these kittens was on one side of the trash cans and the > other was on the other side. They were not together. So > basically we have no idea if they were being moved in the house, > out of the house, or abandoned. > > > >Since they are only 2-3 days old and were covered in maggots I > would say they had been there a while. I didn't see the place > itself to see if it was a place the cat might have felt > comfortable having the kittens in, but I doubt it. The house has > 3 boxers. (2 were thrown off an overpass July 3rd, and the reason > I was at their house was because I was passing out reward fliers > for them.) There are lots of other stray dogs and cats in that > area, and those people didn't keep their boxers confined. So I > can't imagine the cat had the kittens there and was just trying to > move them in. There's been a lot of comotion in the area since > the incident with the dogs. The people were out putting a fence up > today (what a concept!). They said they kept hearing crying and > found the 2 I took. The tips of their ears are a little bloody > suggesting flies biting them and hence the maggots. > > > >I just don't know. NO ONE is going to take in that mother cat > and the rest of those babies. And there's no way I can either. > DD (my positive) is stressing out just knowing these kittens are > here. She's overgrooming way more than normal and I just dosed > her a pred. > > > >I think I'm going to go put some honey on the sick ones gums. > He does seem to be a little better. I'm keeping my fingers
Re: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent!
I wouldn't have them euthanized just because they are little. I take in small kittens all the time. I don't use KMR. I use Fox Valley. They sell all kinds of milk for all kinds of animals. Better IMHO than KMR and cheaper. You have to mail order it though...I keep about a pound of the powder on hand at all times, but I take in a lot of litters. http://foxvalleynutrition.com/main/home.asp Sometimes little kittens just die and there is nothing you can do:( As I am sure you know mortality among kittens is really high:(. Is the little one eating? If he won't suck you can feed from a syringe. Drooling doesn't appear to be a great sign: http://maxshouse.com/kitten_care.htm - Original Message - From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:52 pm Subject: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent! To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Hey guys, > > long story short.. I am home with 2 (vet said 2-4... > I say 2 tops) 2 day old kittens. > > Of course it was sunday and i had to go to emergency vet. he > said they seemed ok for the circumstances and told me to bottle > feed and keep them warm. > > that cost $100 > > I knew I should just have them euthanized. I know there are no > homes. I know there are more than the shelter can handle > etc.. but I brought them home. > > The smaller one will suckle and take the kmr (walmart brand > recommended by vet. is that really all right??) > > The other seems to be drooling from his mouth. Everytime I > check him he seems colder and colder. I have them on a hot water > bottles on a towel and have even put it inside a heater. I've put > them in bed with me. > > I don't think he's going to make it. > > Any ideas as to why he might be drooling and what I might could do? > > tonya >
Re: Wowie
Rebecca, I'm so sorry to hear about Wowie. Take care of yourself. Kelley
Re: To those of you living in the US with family in Europe...
> Hey guys, > > I wanted to tell you that the phone service that my > husband and I have now has free calling to certain > cities in Europe with their unlimited calling plans. Lingo also offers free calling to Europe with unlimited calling plans. Also, for something like $10 extra a month, you can get a number in another country (I used to have a London number) so that the people you know in that area can call you free of charge:).
Re: Karen...thank god for your rescue efforts in TX!
I do cat rescue in Texas and EVERYONE is difficult to deal with..OMG. I told the group I volunteer for about this group and they flat had a fitsaying it was "irresponsible" for anyone to keep felv+/- together
Re: Please say a prayer for Lucy
>From me too...I'm so sorry she isn't doing well. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:07 am Subject: Re: Please say a prayer for Lucy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Good thoughts and prayers going up for you and for Lucy. > > elizabeth > > In a message dated 7/13/2006 8:28:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Lucy was doing better, getting over her IBD flare-up I thought; > but I > tapered her down to 5 mg/day of pred yesterday (did 10 for a week, > then 7.5 for 4 > days, then 5 starting yesterday) and today she is worse-- some > diarrhea with > some blood, less interest in food, and under 8 pounds for the > first time. I > put her back on 10 mg pred today and cooked her something new > (duck) which I > am now afraid will mess her up even more. I made another > appointment (canceled > the last one) with the internist in Red Bank, 1.5 hours away, for > next > Wednesday. I was going to try to take her tomorrow, but my mom > has convinced me > thus far to wait and see if she gets better again from the pred > and not take > her if she does. I don't know. I fear intestinal lymphoma. I > feared it when > she first flared up 2 weeks ago, but then after 3 days on 10 > mg/day of pred and > eating just turkey her diarrhea totally went away and she even > got > constipated from lack of fiber, and I figured that was unlikely > to happen with > lymphoma and more likely to be a flare-up of IBD. But now I don't > know. She has > never needed to be on so much pred for more than a few days > before, and she has > never lost so much weight (though she also has never been on an > entirely > protein diet before either). If she does not have lymphoma, her > IBD has gotten > much worse than it was. I am very depressed by this. If you can > spare her some > good thoughts and prayers, I would appreciate it. > Thanks, > Michelle > > > > >
Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine
> Personally, I don't vaccinate at all any more. > > > Phaewryn It is against the law to adopt out cats here without vaccinating them for rabies, so I want to use the least harmful method. Thanks for the link!
Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine
This is all so confusing. I know that at Animal Trustees of Austin (city-subsidized vaccination place - I get my combo tests there because at $16 they are the cheapest, but I get my vaccinations from my vet because he charges me the same they do) they told me that the one year had fewer additives and the 3 year actually carried more risk of injection site sarcinoma because it had more additives in it to make it effective for 3 years. Therefore they do not give the 3 year there. I have to have mine vaccinated for rabies yearly because I have so many. We do not have a legal limit here but city law is that they must be vaccinated against rabies and licensed with the city, so if anyone ever complains I need to have my ducks in a row, because they will check and make sure each cat over 4 months is both vaccinated and registered. - Original Message - From: Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:26 pm Subject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi Roxane, > > One of the clinics here in NJ is also going to a one year rabies > vaccine - > I asked them in particular why, and they said it's a slightly > differentvaccine, one that uses a different adjuvant (delivery > liquid), and that it > has a shorter immunity duration. Since they are not my primary > vet (only > my emergency clinic) I did not push it, but if you want I can find out > more about it. > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Roxane Baldwin wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: OT-Rabies Vaccine > > > > I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They > are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine > for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was > only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. > > With the study that Jean Dodds is trying to put together, I > would think that vet offices would wake-up to the dangers of over > vaccinating.> Does anyone know if this annual vaccination is a > new standard for felines or is this just my vet? > > I'm sorry this is OT but with a canine with an auto-immune > disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when > they tell me I need to vaccinate more. > > > > > > Roxane, > > Horton, Iowa > > > > - > > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >
Re: Ceasar is no longer in pain (please add him to the CLS)
I'm so sorry for your loss, Nina. - Original Message - From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, July 7, 2006 2:30 pm Subject: Ceasar is no longer in pain (please add him to the CLS) To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Paul Hendel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello my beloved group, > I just got the call from the vet. Ceasar had deep puncture wounds > that > were abscessed all over his body, the deepest around his neck and > the > most infected on his rear leg, no wonder my brave little man was > limping. He had a high fever and the worst news of all, he was > felv+. > They hadn't yet investigated why his nose was bleeding, or why > there was > blood in his saliva. The vet, who is always reluctant to > recommend > euthanasia, said if she were Ceasar she wouldn't want to wake up > from > the kind of pain he must have been living with. I still > hesitated, I > still thought maybe there was a way. I asked if there could be > any > doubt about his status, the answer was an unequivocal no. Before > we > left for the vet, he allowed me to stroke him through the grate of > the > trap. His skin was covered with small lesions, with that gritty > feel > that comes from flea infestation. Poor little lamb! He was > angry, but > he didn't try to scratch me, or even hiss. I spoke softly to him > and > told him how much he was loved and that he was finally home. I > had so > prayed that I would be bringing him back to comfort and security > this > afternoon. I had to finally decide to let him go. I'm so sick > about > not being able to trap him when I first met him, maybe he would be > healthy today. I feel like I failed him, my only consolation is > that > he's no longer suffering, he's no longer confined, and he's no > longer > producing felv kittens. He lived the hard life of a cat on the > street > and I helped him as best I could. Thank you all for caring about > a > special little feral boy and understanding how he has left an > imprint on > my heart. > Bless you my sweet, brave, clever friend. I will love you always. > Nina > >
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
- Original Message - From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 11:43 am Subject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Thanks Hideyo, > I did a search on "sweet scoop". It's actually spelled "Swheat > Scoop*", > *a little clever word play, as if English isn't confusing enough! > I was > surprised to find out just how great a hazard the regular clumping > litter can be, (thanks again Michelle), and I don't want to > support the > companies that make it, or endanger my cats. It is discouraging > to find > yet another expense and inconvenience trying to do what's best for > my > fur family. I did a little snooping and regular, non scented clay > litter like Johnny cat, seems to be safe. Has anyone heard > anything > that would make you suspect otherwise? > Nina > * I use regular, non scented, non scooping litter for my kittens as tiny kittens will eat scooping litter - I don't know why, it doesn't look like it would taste very good. It is so cheap I just dump the whole kitten litterboxes out and refill them daily. I think 20 lbs is about $2.50 on sale around here.
Re: FIV resources
I haven't placed an FIV cat, but I know all about the all black cats. I have 6 of them right now. *sigh*. I have to have different color collars on them to tell them apart. I don't know why people don't want them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:01 pm Subject: Re: FIV resources To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > I placed an FIV+ cat, Charlie from the shelter where I > volunteered, through > one of the online FIV lists. The woman who took him has 12 or 13 > FIV+ cats. We > had to get him from MA to VA, and she picked him up there (she > lives in > TN). So it is possible. It's difficult, though. > Michelle > > In a message dated 6/2/2006 2:30:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a beautiful little > Siamese mix > foster who is FIV+ They take longer to place. We have to try > harder. We > have to work at educating people. But we have to get the message > out that FIV > cats can live long happy lives and are not furry little lepers. > Consider how > language reflects mindset and affects actions. Does it really > take longer to > place an FIV cat than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all > black cat? > Some take longer than others. > > > > >
Re: Samanth's starting to go downhill :(
They sell it at our PetSmart here, but you have to have a prescription from your vet. - Original Message - From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:32 pm Subject: Re: Samanth's starting to go downhill :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > It stands for anorexic diet. It's a prescription food > and you can only get it at a vets as far as I know. > > --- Julia Hagstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > What's A/D Thanks! > > > > Julia > > > > On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 07:03 PM, wendy wrote: > > > > > Julia, > > > > > > I am so sorry that Samantha is not responding to > > her > > > treatments. Rubbing alcohol on the pads of her > > feet > > > is supposed to help bring down fevers, but I've > > never > > > tried it. I would definitely get some A/D from > > your > > > local vet and syringe feet it to her if you can. > > It > > > might make her more comfortable, or it might not. > > I > > > will pray for comfort for her, and for you. > > > > > > :) > > > Wendy > > > > > > --- Julia Hagstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> I had to rush Samantha to vet, today, to get the > > >> fluid drained out of > > >> her again (this makes the third time). When I > > took > > >> her today, the vet > > >> said they didn't get much fluid, and she thought > > the > > >> tumor was getting > > >> bigger, and was pressing on her lungs, making it > > >> hard for her to > > >> breathe. This also makes it hard for her to eat, > > >> and all she's had all > > >> day was some milk, which she took after I got > > home; > > >> before that, this > > >> morning, she wouldn't eat or drink anything, even > > >> water. She's still > > >> having intermittent fevers, and I'm really > > worried > > >> about her. What can > > >> I do for her? Anyone have any suggestions? > > Would > > >> force-feeding help > > >> her? The vet did have me double her Prednisone > > >> dose, as the Cancer > > >> Center had me giving it to her twice a day for > > five > > >> days, then once a > > >> day, for 10 days, but it doesn't seem to be > > helping > > >> as much, on the > > >> once a day thing. I went bowling today, and the > > >> friend I was with > > >> mentioned that I needed a laugh, when the lady > > >> behind the counter put > > >> our names on the computerized scoreboard, and she > > >> said she has a mama > > >> cat who is due to give birth anytime. She > > offered > > >> me a kitten, and I > > >> gave her my name and phone number, so she can > > call > > >> me after the cat > > >> gives birth. She said it would be at least a > > month > > >> before the kittens > > >> were ready to leave their mom, and my kitty will > > >> probably be gone by > > >> then. The way she's been this weekend and today, > > I > > >> don't think she'll > > >> last more than a week, if that. We'll see, but I > > >> think her time is > > >> coming pretty fast now. Please put her in your > > >> prayers, as she needs > > >> all the help she can get. Please keep her in your > > >> prayers, and please > > >> put her on the list for the candlelight service, > > as > > >> I don't think > > >> she'll last much longer. Thanks! > > >> > > >> Julia Hagstrom > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
Re: FIV infected Kitten
- Original Message - From: Gina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:27 pm Subject: Re: FIV infected Kitten To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > I too have a kitten who just tested a faint positive for FeLV. > She is eight weeks old. I am awaiting her second test when she is > sixteen weeks of age. I just recently joined this list for > support and to gain knowledge about the disease. > > Gina > I had a kitten just recently retest neg after testing pos. I only waited 3 days, though, because I wanted to get the rest of the litter tested. Since every kitten tested neg, the vet told me I could consider the first test result a bad test. So there is hope:)
Re: Bandy is better
I use mane and tail groom, for horses, with my cats with ringworm. I'm not sure about the ingredients or using it on immune compromised cats. Yall are teaching me a lot about that. I think it is worth checking out the mane and tail groom to make sure there is nothing in it that will hurt him. - Original Message - From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:50 pm Subject: Re: Bandy is better To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Kerry, > I wonder if there is something, I don't know, maybe some > homeopathic > remedy that we're missing to help him with this darn rw. That's > wonderful that there are no infections because of it, always a > worry > with immune compromised guys. Nasty stuff, leave our Bandy alone!!! > Nina > > Kerry Roach wrote: > > > > > Nina, the ringworm is better in places, but has spread to some > > more...no skin infections so far though...I guess I will just > keep on > > putting meds on it til hopefully it will go away..He has one big > spot > > on the back of his neck now...and still around his eyes... > > Thanks again everyone! > > Head butts to you all, > > Kerry and Bandy > > >
Re: Elizabeth's talent
I already asked her if she took commissions:) I see she already has a website. She could draw people's pets from photos, on a commission basis (not starting the work til she has a deposit). Just an idea:) - Original Message - From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:32 pm Subject: Re: Elizabeth's talent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Oh my dear, you have a calling. I can see why you'd be reluctant > to > give up your daytime job if it pays the rent well, but I can't > help feel > that you should be working full time on your art! I'm itching to > help > you promote it. It might not ever be as lucrative, (then again, > who > knows?), but the benefits to you and the rest of our sometimes > dreary > world might just be worth it. I think everyone should do their > best to > incorporate their passion into their livelihood, if they did, the > world > would be a kinder place. Have you ever thought of framing them > and > offering them for sale? You could display the originals and then > sell > prints. Is your vet an upscale sort of place? Maybe you could > start by > putting some in local restaurants and/or your vet's office. You > could > sell them at charitable events/auctions... Hmm... let me think > about this! > Nina > > > If I could do anything I wanted to for a living - I would do cat > > portraits. Sadly though - I live alone with 8 cats so I'm the > only > > one paying the bills (plus, the kitties like to surf the web and > use > > my credit cards when they aren't sneaking the car out to go joy > > riding). I have to have a sense of stability and security...so > I am > > biding my time in a high pressure position that requires > absolutely > > nothing artistic or creative and makes me wish I had a valium IV. > >
Re: Need your advice
I don't mean to scare you, but I had a dog who ate a towel and got strings wrapped around his intestines and they did surgery and were unable to save him. This is my only experience with this. We didn't know he had eaten the towel and noticed him losing weight. Took him to the vet several times, and it took them quite a while to figure out what was wrong. They attempted surgery but his intestines were too damaged for him to survive. It seems you are lucky that you caught it early and know what is happening. If you trust your vet, I would follow his advice. And he could pass it before tomorrow. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:27 pm Subject: Need your advice To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > I know this is a bit off topic - but my Shakiti ate a big piece of > dental floss this morning before I could get it away from him. He > just put his little head right into the bathroom garbage can and > helped himself. I took him to the vet's this morning and they > gave him an emetic but no floss from either end so far. > > The poor boy is scared to death and he probably feels pretty > rotten right now. He's the most feral baby I have - very feral to > everyone but me. I can hold him on his back and talk to him and > he just drools on my arm and falls asleep with his motor running. > I am worried sick about him especially since the vet says they > want to keep him overnight and if we don't recover the floss they > want to do surgery in the morning. I'm reluctant because it can > take more than one day for something like this to pass - but on > the other hand it could get all wound up in his intestines and cut > his insides. > > Any advice? He is very healthy otherwise...2 years old and FeVL-. > Never again will I dispose of dental floss that isn't wrapped up > in something else. I feel like the worst mom in the world. > > Sick with worry, > elizabeth > > *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* > ___ _ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, > email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. >
Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again/charcoal drawing
So beautiful...do you do commissions? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:39 am Subject: Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again/charcoal drawing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Thanks! Here's one I did of Celena in charcoal and pencil. She > passed away a few years ago. I really need to do portraits of the > eight I have now - it really helps you remember them. > > http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/celena.html > > *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:30:07 EDT > Subject: Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again/charcoal drawing > > > Wow...that drawing is great! > Did you draw your kitty? > I would love to have my "Taz" drawn on charcoal. > > In a message dated 6/21/2006 8:57:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Tad - that is an excellent point and one that deserves careful > consideration. I lost my Felicity to vaccine related fibrosarcoma > and although it happened many years ago, I still grieve. Here is > a link to a charcoal drawing I did of her. She was a very dear soul. > > http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html > > > > [Image removed] > Terrie Mohr-Forker > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS > SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > Owner/Driver > Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! > > http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ > > Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WA > > > > http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html > > http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html > > Petfinder.com > Adopt a Homeless Pet! > [Image removed] > http://www.petfinder.com/ > > http://www.felineleukemia.org/ > http://www.petloss.com/ > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS > https://www.paypal.com/ > > > > http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue > ___ _ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, > email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. >
Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again/charcoal drawing
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:33 am Subject: Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again/charcoal drawing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Wow...that drawing is great! > Did you draw your kitty? > I would love to have my "Taz" drawn on charcoal. > I agree. It is a beautiful drawing.
Re: Need more prayers for my little babies..
I will be praying for them... - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:01 pm Subject: Need more prayers for my little babies.. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi, I know I ask you this a lot... but I need more prayers for my > babiesform you guys.. > > > > If you remember I rescued two day old kitten about five weeks ago..she > has been doing great... > > And also Waku, who was having a difficult time putting weight.. > and she > has put some weight and been doing great... but now, both of them are > running a very very high fever between 104 and 105.5 --- I usually > don'tfreak out high fevers as I have lots of experience with my > babies in the > past.. Low fever though... I freak out.. > > > > Anyway,, Waku's third eye lid is covering a half of her eyes (actually > there is some viral thing going on in my house.. about 6 or so of my > adult kitties start showing third eye lid with no other symptoms.. and > goes away in a couple of months..).. and she looks very very not > feelingwell > > > > Please please pray that these two babies will fever will go down soon > and they will go back to where they usually are feeling.. thank you!! > > > > Hideyo > >
Re: o/t advice needed
She needs to have one litterbox per cat, plus one, which would be 3 for 2 cats. Basically she may have to wait since she could not do a slow introduction. I know some of my friends who do fostering have cats who are on meds for anxiety, which seems to help with this issue. I have mixed feelings about cats being on anxiety meds. - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:08 pm Subject: o/t advice needed To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi all > I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once > again my > condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, > along with my > heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery. > I've come back to discover a friend, B, throwing her hands up in > despairover her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as > his guardian, a > neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat > that she's > had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two > would get > along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced > slowly so > they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and > sprayingeverywhere it seems. > Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from > what she's > said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very > gratefulfor any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the > archives and do my own > research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I > fear may > be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.) > Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry > >
Re: Severe congestion?--Thanks!
> > So I'm going to try upping his dosage of interferon and have started > adding vitamin C to his food in an effort to get him over the > hump. > Thanks for all your help! Also, is the albuterol mostly for chest > congestion? Or will it work on upper respiratory, as well? > What my vet told me is that the Albuterol works to make them feel better - it breaks up the chest/nasal congestion they have when they have a URI. This is good because when they feel better and can smell their food they start eating. I had a kitten with severe URI that I thought was going to lose. He didn't start eating until after I took him to my current vet and they started nebulizing him. Within 24 hours after that he was eating (I had been syringing him with A/D). My cats have still had to have antibiotics when they have URI, though. Here is a link to more information about Albuterol. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682145.html I keep a nebulizer (bought on Ebay for $25 - MUCH more expensive if bought at a drug store - about $100+) and a stock of Albuterol for sick kittens. My vet sold me a bag of the Albuterol capsules for about $10.
Re: To Kris re questions
Hi Gina, I'm glad you found this list. I had a kitten test faint pos just a couple weeks ago. I had the whole litter retested and they were all negative this time. Very confusing. I found that Cornell website too, before I found this group. It scared me quite a bit. Kelley - Original Message - From: Gina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:56 am Subject: Re: To Kris re questions To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi Belinda, > > I wonder what kind of "other diseases" they are talking about? > I can't think of any off hand, can you? I am curious as to what > they base their information on. I am new to the support group and > I've just started to learn more about FeLV. Whe I got the "faint > positive" result on my kitten Pippin, I went to the Cornell > website because I had heard they are highly respected. I read the > information and left with more questions than I started with, not > to mention how upset I was! > > They don't explain their "facts" and I think this could lead > people to make decisions not based upon solid research and recent > findings, but upon fear :( I am so glad I decided to venture out > and learn more, plus join this support group, before I make any > decisions about Pippin. She's getting her next test at 3 months > of age, and even then I am going to test her again if the results > are positive because I've read that now 16 weeks is a minimum age > to test. > > Gina > > > Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One more thing: > > "Epidemiological and laboratory studies have failed to provide > evidence that FeLV can be transmitted from infected cats to > humans. Regardless, FeLV-infected cats may carry other diseases. > At greatest risk of infection are elderly or immunosuppressed > people (e.g., those with AIDS, or receiving immunosuppressive > medications such as chemotherapy), infants, and unborn children. > It is recommended that pregnant women, people with suppressed > immune systems, the very young, and the very old avoid contact > with FeLV-infected cats." > > That is just utterly ridiculous, any sick cat whether positive or > not would fall into this catagory, how many positives do you think > will die because of this ludicous info > > > > -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi- > Kitties http://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP > Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight > Service http://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com > [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com- > ---BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] > http://bmk.bemikitties.com > > > No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to > welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery > > > Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines > > > > > - > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less. >
Re: Severe congestion?
What has helped my cats with congestion is nebulizing them with albuterol. I'm not sure about doing this with FELV+ cats, though. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:41 pm Subject: Re: Severe congestion? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Many lists members in the past have suggested a children's product > called Little > Noses. I have no personal experience or dosage info.. I'm sure > someone will pipe in > with that info though! > > Phaewryn > > PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! > http://ucat.us/adopt.html > > DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a > digital camera (for > pictures) and HOMES for CATS! > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: > 6/16/2006 >
Re: Please pray for Bandy
I'm so sorry little Bandy is sick. I will be praying for you both.
Re: SPCA's Views on FelV
> Testing is VERY expensive when you take in numbers of cats. It's > hard to break even as it is... most people don't want to pay over > $70 for a cat's adoption fee... the FIV/FELV combo snap test is > $35. Add the spay/neuter... and you're already losing money. I > have never ever once made any profit on saving a single cat in my 1 > care. My typical loss is upwards of $50 for every cat I rescue, > just in vet work, that's not saying how much in food, litter, and > supplies I spend for every cat. > I am really lucky that I can get cats tested for $16 each. I do have to wait, sometimes for hours, though. We charge a higher adoption fee and I still lose enough money that I can't take in any more fosters. Missy has to go to the kitty cardiologist and we are having layoffs at my job. Adoptions are down this year too. Oh, I also have a wondeful vet who doesn't charge me an exam fee. He loses money on me big time. I still spent over $125 in meds just for fosters in the month of May, not including my own cats.
Re: SPCA's Views on FelV
Hi Marlene, First of all, I am so sorry for your loss. Secondly, the rescue group I work through does not take cats that have not been combo tested, unless they are too young. Then it is up to the individual foster whether or not to take the untested litter. We have a limited number of foster slots for FIV+ and one foster mother who takes FELV+. If they are owner surrenders, the owner must provide proof of combo test before we take them. We never adopt out cats that have not been tested. All our cats are spayed/neutered, flea treated, have all shots, and have been combo tested prior to adoption, with the exception of kittens that come in with a mother who is neg/neg. Our local kill shelter combo tests all cats before they are pulled by rescue or adopted out. I don't think they combo test the cats that are PTS. This is just what is done in our area. - Original Message - From: Marlene Chornie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:31 am Subject: SPCA's Views on FelV To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hello Group, > >It's been a little over 3 weeks now since we lost our beloved > little Pekoe. I will be posting more about that at a later date > though. At the time, I emailed the SPCA shelter where we adopted > both Pekoe and Digby from, merely to let them know that Pekoe had > also passed - not that I expected them to care, because the branch > manager exhibited a terrible attitude with us when told they were > FelV+ and felt they bore no responsibility for it happening in > the first place. She was also unconcerned that any other cats in > the shelter may have also contracted the disease. Since I had not > invited any response from them, I was very surprised when I > received one. It appears that the branch manager that we dealt > with is no longer there (what a surprise) and I received the > following response from the new manager. To be honest, I'm a > little disturbed by some of the things she said, and I would > appreciate any input/comments from the group. (FYI - Pekoe and > Digby were both unneutered males, strays, and were approx. 8 > months and 13 months old respectively. They were diagnosed FelV+ > 7 months after we adopted them, at ages 15 months and 20 months.) > > "With our limited resources, we are unable to test all the > incoming cats > for FeLeuk and FIV. Feline Leukemia is only present in 3% of the cat > population as a whole, but that is mostly concentrated in strays. > Sincethe most common source of transmission is by bite, we > generally only test > high risk cats, usually unneutered males who are more likely to > fight. We > don't as a rule, test kittens under 6 months as the test results > are very > unreliable. The SNAP test that we use tests for the presence of > antibodies which can take weeks from the time of infection to > appear. > Because young kittens' immune systems are under developed, it can > take 3 > months or longer from the time of transmission to the time that a test > would be positive. Therefore, false negatives are very common in > kittens3 months and younger. Conversely, positive nursing moms > will transmit > antibodies to their kittens, but only 20% of the time will > transmit the > virus itself. In those cases, the kittens would test false > positive and > be euthanized unneccessarily. > > I know this information is of little comfort to you at this time, > but I > felt you were owed an explanation as to how this could occur." > > >I believe I have a relatively good understanding of FelV from > what I've learned with Pekoe and Digby. One of the big questions > I have, from those of you that do rescue work and shelter > volunteering is - Do you test ALL cats that come into the shelter, > or just the "high risk" ones?? Guess I'm just second-guessing > my comprehension right now. My husband and I feel that these > people just don't get it yet, and we want them to stop contacting us! > >I would really appreciate your views on the SPCA's statements. > > Thanks so much, > Marlene (still missing Pekoe & Digby .)
Re: Test results and an OT question
> Oh Kelley! Stop it with that picture of Missy! She's just too > cute for > words, no wonder she's stolen your heart. Don't the tiny, needy > ones > seem to worm their way into a special place in our lives? She is my baby girl! It is very scary to love another living thing this much. I am single and have no children, and Missy is very special to me. I think > it's > fine to wait and bring Missy to your regular vet. Just tell Missy > you're bringing her to show her off, that they will want to pet > her and > tell her how beautiful she is. This doesn't sound like it should > be a > traumatic visit, just an exam, right? I think it will be ok. If he says she can be vaccinated, she will be vaccinated, but my regular vet is so good at vaccinations that my cats don't even notice they have been stuck. Why don't you ask your vet > about > supplements, like CoQ10 for her heart, and maybe Interferon A for > immune > support. A woman I know has had remarkable results with CoQ10, > but she > did say that you shouldn't start and stop that sup, you might want > to > ask him if he knows anything about that too. Maybe someone else > on the > list knows more about it and will let us know. I am making a list of stuff to ask him, thanks! What have you done > for > her URIs? Do they ever resolve themselves completely? She had URI when she came from the shelter (I've had her since she was less than 3 months). She was on Zithro. It resolved completely. By the time I went to get her and her littermates spayed/neutered, she was 4 months and was 4 lb. Her sister was 4.5 and her brother 6. She had no problems with the spay. I took her to my personal vet because she developed conjunctivitis. I expressed concern over her thinness and he told me she was ok, but to feed her fattening stuff to try to get some weight on her. I got her over the conjunctivitis and she got URI again. She was on zithro again, and it resolved. She got it again, and pretty badly, lost a lot of weight and I had to syringe her. She scared me pretty badly this last time. I think she lost probably a whole pound. Now she seems to have it again, but it isn't as bad a case. This is another reason I had her retested. Her immune system just does not seem right at all. I have 4 litters of kittens in my house right no w, and they all had URI, but she was the only older cat I have that got it.
Re: Test results and an OT question
- Original Message - From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:43 am Subject: Re: Test results and an OT question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > OMG Kelley, that's fabulous news about the neg results!! It must > be > what I said about false positive results, there's no other way to > explain it. They were pretty shocked she tested neg after testing pos 3 days ago. I was very happy until I heard about the heart murmur. > > As far as the heart murmur kitty... What grade murmur did your > vet say > it was? Many kittens and puppies have slight heart murmurs that > resolve > themselves as they grow. How old is she? If it's a serious one, > there > are surgical options that you could consider. My ex-husband > adopted an > 5 week old kitten that had serious heart problems. They did open > heart > surgery on this little tiny girl and the vet has assured him that > she's > going to be fine now. I don't know about neg cats and different > size > pupils, but I know it's something that does occur with felv > kitties and > doesn't seem to cause any trouble. Does the vet think that her > teeth > are curved enough to cause her problems? Well, first of all this was not my vet. This was a vet at the city subsidized shot/combo test/spay/neuter place. I got there 10 minutes before they opened and it was a 4.5 hour wait. I hated to do that to them but since it was 5 tests, I couldn't really afford to go to my vet and have it done (he gives me huge discounts and I love him, but not that huge). This vet listened to her heart, said "This cat has a heart murmur and we can't inoculate it here." She didn't tell me what grade it was, nor offer me any opinion on her teeth other than that they were genetically abnormal. She couldn't believe Missy had been to the vet before, or that she had gotten spayed at Emancipet(I know heart murmur kitties are supposed to have gas anasthesia.) Take another deep > breath. You > had a terrible fright with the felv test and that turned out, (at > least > it appears to have), been nothing to worry about. I'm praying > that your > special love's problems will work themselves out too. What's her > name? My babies name is Missy. She's a tiny little girl, and they remarked on her thinness, though I have been feeding her extra fattening stuff and kitten milk and managed to get her to 5.5 pounds. Her immune system seems abnormal, and she gets URI a lot and has to be syringe fed, and then we lose the progress we have gained. That's one reason I had her re-tested, but she has 2 negative results now, one in November and one Saturday. I kept holding her up to my ear all weekend to see if I could hear anything, I know that is silly. She's spoiled rotten, even with the dozens of cats in my house. She spends most of her time in my lap if I am at home and sitting, or following me around if I am not sitting. She gives me kisses if I am really sad...I say she saves them for when I really need them, but I realistically she probably just likes the salt in my tears. Here's a link to her pic: http://www.moonvine.net/missy.jpg She's 8 months now. I have an appointment for her with my real vet on Saturday. I don't want her left all day at the vet feeling abandoned, nor being dragged around in the heat, unless it is a real emergency. Kelley
Re: LOST OF OUR BELOVED [SASSY]
Hi Joe, I'm so sorry about your loss.
Re: Advice Needed
- Original Message - From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:35 am Subject: Re: Advice Needed To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > I don't know the reasons but three different vets I know will not > use > Revolution on cats. You may want to check this out with your vet. > It may > just be their preference or there may be a solid reason. > My vet uses it and prescribes it. I order the large dog size from Australia and dose it out, though - I don't buy it from him. I have way too many cats, can't afford it.
Re: Advice Needed
Hi there Ashleigh, I am not a FELV+ expert as many on this list are, but I can tell you that I have used a drop or two of Revolution on kittens as young as 4 weeks without problems. Capstar is safe for kittens and works immediately, but only kills adult fleas, not any larva or eggs that might be present Kelley
Test results and an OT question
Hi guys, I took 5 kittens/cats in to be tested today. The little girl who previously tested pos tested negative today. So did all her littermates and the unrelated cat. Very, very good news. I still don't understand how one who tested positive 3 days ago tested negative today, but she did. The vet at the clinic feels it is unnecessary at this point to have cats in my home who have previously tested negative re-tested. Do you agree? Also, unfortunately, one little girl I took in was diagnosed with a heart murmur, so they would not inoculate her. The vet also stated she had some genetic abnormalities - asymmetric pupils and teeth that curve in instead of going straight downI'm very worried about her now as she is the love of my life. Do any of yall know of any good web resources on heart murmurs? I'm taking her in for a second opinion next weekend. I wanted to thank everyone for being there for me the last few days. You are an awesome group of people. I learned a lot about this disease, too. Thanks so much, Kelley
Re: "Light" positive? Help!
- Original Message - From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, June 9, 2006 3:50 pm Subject: Re: "Light" positive? Help! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > I'm sorry, I know how scared you are, but your description of them > all > bolting for the open door brought a smile to my face. The little > scamps > are just so darn cute! > Nina > They are cute, but even with a sleeping pill I had problems sleeping last night, having nightmares of dead and dying cats and kittens, and I forgot to eat too. And I have been crying all day, and I don't even know anything yet. How am I going to handle it when I actually know something?
Re: "Light" positive? Help!
> - Original Message - > From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Friday, June 9, 2006 2:56 pm > Subject: Re: "Light" positive? Help! > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > You said "these are kittens, and they do get out". Did you mean > > "they > > don't get out"? Sorry - when I said they get out - I meant get out of their ISO room (my bedroom). They all try to run out when I open the door, etc. They have never been out of my home other than in a carrier.
Re: "Light" positive? Help!
- Original Message - From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, June 9, 2006 3:07 pm Subject: Re: "Light" positive? Help! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Esp since there is the threat of felv in your house, I'd vac any > cats > that test neg for it. Many people are concerned about vac, (with > many > good reasons, the possibility of vaccine-related carcinomas, being > one > of them), but imo it is still worth the risks in this case. How > old are > these kittens? Do they appear healthy? > Nina > Estimated DOB is 2/21/06. Everyone had URI, but all are clear of URI now. All were spayed/neutered/vaccinated for rabies and FVCRP yesterday.
Re: "Light" positive? Help!
- Original Message - From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, June 9, 2006 2:56 pm Subject: Re: "Light" positive? Help! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi Kelley, > A light pos indicates that a cat has been exposed to felv. It > doesn't > necessarily mean she'd test pos the next time. She could either > be in > the process of clearing the virus, in which case the next time > she's > tested, she will test neg, or it might even be a false pos. It's > like > everything else with this horrid disease, there are so very many > factors > and differing opinions that there's not a clear cut answer to just > about > anything to do with it. How old are these kittens? Do you have > the > mother? Has she been tested? I'm assuming that the little girl > was > tested in-house using the ELISA, when you retest, you could use > the IFA > test for peace of mind of a more accurate result. Again there are > varying opinions about when it is best to retest. If it were me, > I'd > wait 3 months. I realize that these are foster kittens and that > waiting > 3 months might hurt her chances of getting her forever home. Is > there > someone helping you with vet costs with your rescue efforts? I > would > test the rest of the kittens in her litter, and any other kittens > that > have been kept with her to see if anyone else tests pos. Just > because > one tests pos, doesn't mean the rest of the litter will. I have never had the mom of this litter. I have two other litters, both are isolated in different bathrooms. I have the mom of both those litters, both moms are neg/neg. These kittens have been kept in my bedroom. Their estimated DOB is 2/21/06. Yes, she was tested with ELISA in house. My foster group reimburses my vet costs when the kitten is adopted out. > > You said "these are kittens, and they do get out". Did you mean > "they > don't get out"? Even if the kittens actually have felv, your > other cats > are probably fine. It has been the experience of most of the > people on > this list that felv is not easily transmitted to healthy adult > cats, > (and a few studies that I've read). A great many of us have mixed > neg/pos cats for months and years without having our negs turn up > pos. > The biggest danger is to young or immune compromised, (old, or ill > cats) > whose systems aren't up to fighting off the disease. If your > other cats > are healthy, even on the off chance that they do test pos, there > is a > good chance that they will clear the virus. I would feel safer > about > your other cats had they been vaccinated however. I would have > them > tested and if they are neg, have them vac asap. The rescue group > that > has you fostering should have made sure your house cats were neg > before > placing kittens with you, esp since their advice is to not vac > against > it. All my house cats were tested neg/neg before this litter came in. This is the first time I have ever allowed an untested cat into my house. I actually have another litter that came to me from the shelter at 4 weeks that is too young to test. Never again, it is just too scary. > > Take a deep breath. What's done is done. Imo, you've found the > best > forum for support and information with this list. Please don't > hesitate > to ask questions and by all means, keep us informed about what's > going > on. Whatever you do, please, please, please, don't let anyone > tell you > that asymptomatic cats that test positive should be immediately > pts. > There are still many people, vets included, that just don't know > enough > about this disease and think that is the answer. These kittens > have > found their way to you. You must protect them from the ignorance > of > well meaning people and whatever their status, allow them to enjoy > their > life, for as long or short a time as that may be. > I already called my vet and asked about Interfuron (sp?). He says he will get me some if I want, but then I have read that some advise not to give it to asymptomatic cats and to wait until it is needed. If any of my personal cats (ranging in age from 8 mo to 11 years) get it I am just going to die.
Re: "Light" positive? Help!
- Original Message - From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, June 9, 2006 11:57 am Subject: Re: "Light" positive? Help! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > If your other cats are healthy adults they should hopefully fight > off the virus on their own. In the meantime I would get > everyone's felv vaccinations started right away > > tonya > If her littermates are negative, should they be vaccinated? I'm taking them tomorrow.
"Light" positive? Help!
Hello all, I have been doing rescue in Texas for a little less than a year now. I had a couple of litters come from the local animal control that were too young to be tested. I took one litter in to get them spayed/neutered/tested yesterday. I only had one tested, and she tested "light positive." These kittens have been MOSTLY separated from my other cats - they are kittens, and they do get out. However, my other cats have not been vaccinated for FELV- they have been vaccinated against rabies and FVCRP. The rescue organization I have been working through does not require FELV vaccination as we do not adopt cats to people who will let them outside. I am beside myself with worry for my other cats, and of course for the kittens as well. Can anyone help advise me? Starting with...what the heck is a light positive? Thanks, Kelley
