Fwd: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
--- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
James wouldn't be the first moderator to do that. Michael has tried to cool it down on one of the Yahoo! lists, but apparently a few people have an overwhelming compulsion to keep this going. I'd say that's a pretty sad situation as well, considering that they obviously have lots of energy, and they could take that and devote it all to taking care of cats instead siphoning off some to beat dead horses. That's how it goes, I guess. Lance On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST), Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
Does this have anything to do with FELV? I think not. FYI, there were NO starving NOR dehydrated cats at my house. The $300 food bill per month speaks to that. I don't know what may have happened to them while in TLAC's care, but while in my care they were well fed and had access to plenty of water. My cats received prompt medical care for any issues they had. There were some who were being treated at the time they were seized, and to my knowledge they did not get their medications while at TLAC, nor did my kitty with a heart murmur get her lasix nor any of her other supplements. It is highly, highly unethical to place housecats in barn placements. They've never lived outside and have no defenses against anything that may happen to them out there. They will probably lead short, terrified lives now, when they were perfectly happy here. It is also poor netiquette to post private emails to a public list. It would seem especially foolish to post a threatening one. Why is Sheila after this person? Because this person knows the truth, I'll warrant. If anyone has any further questions about my situation, I'll be happy to answer them via private email. This list is for FELV talk and it is not fair to the newbies to have to wade through all this crap when they probably are finding us because they have cats who are recently diagnosed and are in pain. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founder, Rescuties Animal Rescue Austin, TX On Dec 12, 2007 10:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
The way to cool it down is to tell people the topic is closed, place anyone who doesn't understand closed on moderated status, and delete posts on the topic. Unfortunately this sort of nastiness is why groups need moderators. Sometimes things get out of hand and someone has to step in and take charge of the situation. Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James wouldn't be the first moderator to do that. Michael has tried to cool it down on one of the Yahoo! lists, but apparently a few people have an overwhelming compulsion to keep this going. I'd say that's a pretty sad situation as well, considering that they obviously have lots of energy, and they could take that and devote it all to taking care of cats instead siphoning off some to beat dead horses. That's how it goes, I guess. Lance On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST), Susan Hoffman said: And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing... I agree, this OT topic should be closed !!
I agree. Glenda, this is so inappropriate for this list. This is an inflammatory issue that does *not* belong on our FELVtalk list, I think everyone else understands this. This is a Feline Leukemia list, and that's a very clear boundary. I think FELVtalk has always been lenient about OT topics, which is great, but you're not even masking it as OT. The problem is it's a disagreement between folks, and can only serve to alienate folks and create hostility on this list, and we need the list for FELV topics that are going to help FELV cats and their people. If we can't understand this voluntarily, let's get James, the moderator, involved. Gloria On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Susan Hoffman wrote: The way to cool it down is to tell people the topic is closed, place anyone who doesn't understand closed on moderated status, and delete posts on the topic. Unfortunately this sort of nastiness is why groups need moderators. Sometimes things get out of hand and someone has to step in and take charge of the situation. Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James wouldn't be the first moderator to do that. Michael has tried to cool it down on one of the Yahoo! lists, but apparently a few people have an overwhelming compulsion to keep this going. I'd say that's a pretty sad situation as well, considering that they obviously have lots of energy, and they could take that and devote it all to taking care of cats instead siphoning off some to beat dead horses. That's how it goes, I guess. Lance On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST), Susan Hoffman said: And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make wonderful pets if given the opportunity. Cats who are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster home where someone will take the time to work with them. It is premature to send them to a barn home, especially when they have been so recently traumatized by the whole animal control/seizure/shelter cage experience. Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to sheila or susan or whomever has these cats? I'm active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. We should be able to find safe indoor placements with feral-aware people for 6 cats. These cats have options. So please urge the people who have them to contact me before putting them outside somewhere. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan, I do understand about believing some cats deserve to be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial that the city shelter would have put them down.That is why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones that were placed in the barn situation...I think if you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul, my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered and I paid out of pocket for their rabies vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them right back to their own environment...did find a lady willing to feed them, however...I am here in Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things are very backward here for the animals. I will visit you offlist later. Thank you for caring...Glenda --- Susan Hoffman wrote: One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
Bless your heart...I sure will... --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make wonderful pets if given the opportunity. Cats who are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster home where someone will take the time to work with them. It is premature to send them to a barn home, especially when they have been so recently traumatized by the whole animal control/seizure/shelter cage experience. Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to sheila or susan or whomever has these cats? I'm active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. We should be able to find safe indoor placements with feral-aware people for 6 cats. These cats have options. So please urge the people who have them to contact me before putting them outside somewhere. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan, I do understand about believing some cats deserve to be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial that the city shelter would have put them down.That is why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones that were placed in the barn situation...I think if you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul, my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered and I paid out of pocket for their rabies vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them right back to their own environment...did find a lady willing to feed them, however...I am here in Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things are very backward here for the animals. I will visit you offlist later. Thank you for caring...Glenda --- Susan Hoffman wrote: One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health
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On Dec 12, 2007 12:04 PM, Unusually Unique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of garbage is exactly the reason I unsubscribed from this list. Which I might add, the only messages I seem to be getting is this crap. I just unsubscribed for the SECOND time! There are lots of fine people on the list who would love to help you with your FELV cats. Why don't you tell us about them? How many do you have, how are they doing, etc? I'm sorry that the list had to be interrupted by people posting other people's private emails. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
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And if the cats have already been transferred to barn homes perhaps we can retrieve them and work on indoor placement with an eye towards socialization for adoption. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless your heart...I sure will... --- Susan Hoffman wrote: Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make wonderful pets if given the opportunity. Cats who are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster home where someone will take the time to work with them. It is premature to send them to a barn home, especially when they have been so recently traumatized by the whole animal control/seizure/shelter cage experience. Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to sheila or susan or whomever has these cats? I'm active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. We should be able to find safe indoor placements with feral-aware people for 6 cats. These cats have options. So please urge the people who have them to contact me before putting them outside somewhere. glenda Goodman wrote: Hi Susan, I do understand about believing some cats deserve to be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial that the city shelter would have put them down.That is why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones that were placed in the barn situation...I think if you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul, my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered and I paid out of pocket for their rabies vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them right back to their own environment...did find a lady willing to feed them, however...I am here in Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things are very backward here for the animals. I will visit you offlist later. Thank you for caring...Glenda --- Susan Hoffman wrote: One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone
Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
Hello, just thought you would like to see this. Please click onto www.austinhumanesociety.org and www.shadowcats.net if you REALLY want to help the cats. Susan DuBose Sheila Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I attended the hearings today. I saw the video and listened to the court testimony. The video showed the contents of her house. Formed fecal material along with diarrhea and other elimination products coated the house. I have never witnessed anything such as what I saw today. The house was filthy, trash, litter, something you see on Animal Cops and nothing I can ever get you to visualize with mere words. I do not think you could walk two steps without walking in stool. It was everywhere. On the stair steps, on just about every surface you could see. The video showed many cats, most with obvious URI and /or other illnesses. There was an obese cat under the sink, who later (it was testified) drank for several minutes when it was offered water and drug itself on its belly to get to the food offered it when it was taken to Town Lake. The cat died during the night and was found dead the next morning Lab results showed the cat died from hepatic lipidosis. It left TLAC seven weeks ago at 23 pounds and was found to be at 18 pounds on intake at this time. The only water available to it according to testimony was the filthy water in the toilet which the cat was too weak to get to. (This cats name I believe was Mia) The dead cat in the closet was said to be there aprox two months according to expert witness. The animal was barely identifiable and had melded into the carpet and was completely desiccated. When told of the findings in her closet, according to testimony, Kelly Saveika said, I wondered what happened to that cat. I could go on and on and on, but suffice to say, this was horrendous. This is not about a messy house, or things getting a little out of control. This is about a horrendous situation where animals suffered and died. This is about animals that lived in a situation that was enabled by anyone that knew about this and said nothing. I am SO sick of rescue people that defend rescue people and blame everyone else for the situation they created. WHO is speaking for the animals?. I would honestly rather see these animals humanely euthanized than to live in the conditions I saw them living in. For people to blame TLAC for this is ludicrous. I personally do not want to hear one more person say poor Kelly or hear how the Rescue community supports this org. All I can think of is who was with that poor cat as it lay dying? Who supported Willa Anyone who sat through that video and can still justify what they saw, well.. Unfortunately the judge allowed her to keep three of her personal cats. This is not gossip or rumor. This is part of the testimony presented today and is part of a public record. Sheila And this. Can you believe this (portion after Jerry's quote)? Kelley Saveika is positioning herself as an expert less than 48 hours after her hearing! I assume she was convicted of animal cruelty because they confiscated her rescue cats... She says, among other things, I think I mentioned this before but I study these things and go to conferences to learn how to get to no kill, or very very close to no kill. This from a woman who had a dead cat in her closet for two months and a cat dying from neglect under her sink? She makes my skin crawl - Original Message - From: Kelley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: [centraltexasrescue] Re: Attention all Texas rescuers! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Nov 2007 at 7:36, Toni Liguori wrote: Unfortunately, I think that to get the city to listen at all, Nathan's name has to be completely omitted from any proposal. I think that's an excellent idea. His proposals are winners, but the man himself is so confrontational that his presence immediately polarizes any discussion. We need to press for the programs and leave the personalities out of it. There are some other people who are not so polarizing who are making great strides. Barbara Carr's shelter in Erie County NY killed only 88 cats and 0 dogs last year. She has an amazing offsite adoption program. I think I mentioned this before but I study these things and go to conferences to learn how to get to no kill, or very very close to no kill. I hate to think of 88 cats being killed but compare that to TLAC. I adore Nathan Winograd, but I don't care if people use his name. What is important is for people in power to buy into the concept that it is not OK to kill animals. As long as people think it is ok to kill animals, we're just spinning our wheels (IMHO, yadda yadda). Then again we can always get some
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Thanks for the info. I'm not reading FELVtalk that much lately, but I think unless these are FELV cats, this sort of thing is pretty Off Topic, controversial, and better for a different list, I'd think. Best of luck, Gloria On Nov 19, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Hello, just thought you would like to see this. Please click onto www.austinhumanesociety.org and www.shadowcats.net if you REALLY want to help the cats. Susan DuBose Sheila Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I attended the hearings today. I saw the video and listened to the court testimony. The video showed the contents of her house. Formed fecal material along with diarrhea and other elimination products coated the house. I have never witnessed anything such as what I saw today. The house was filthy, trash, litter, something you see on Animal Cops and nothing I can ever get you to visualize with mere words. I do not think you could walk two steps without walking in stool. It was everywhere. On the stair steps, on just about every surface you could see. The video showed many cats, most with obvious URI and /or other illnesses. There was an obese cat under the sink, who later (it was testified) “drank for several minutes when it was offered water and drug itself on its belly to get to the food offered it when it was taken to Town Lake. The cat died during the night and was found dead the next morning” Lab results showed the cat died from hepatic lipidosis. It left TLAC seven weeks ago at 23 pounds and was found to be at 18 pounds on intake at this time. The only water available to it according to testimony was the filthy water in the toilet which the cat was too weak to get to. (This cats name I believe was Mia) The dead cat in the closet was said to be there aprox two months according to expert witness. The animal was barely identifiable and had melded into the carpet and was completely desiccated. When told of the findings in her closet, according to testimony, Kelly Saveika said, “ I wondered what happened to that cat…” I could go on and on and on, but suffice to say, this was horrendous. This is not about a messy house, or things getting a little out of control. This is about a horrendous situation where animals suffered and died. This is about animals that lived in a situation that was enabled by anyone that knew about this and said nothing. I am SO sick of rescue people that defend rescue people and blame everyone else for the situation they created. WHO is speaking for the animals?. I would honestly rather see these animals humanely euthanized than to live in the conditions I saw them living in. For people to blame TLAC for this is ludicrous. I personally do not want to hear one more person say “poor Kelly” or hear how the Rescue community supports this org. All I can think of is who was with that poor cat as it lay dying? Who supported Willa Anyone who sat through that video and can still justify what they saw, well…… Unfortunately the judge allowed her to keep three of her personal cats. This is not gossip or rumor. This is part of the testimony presented today and is part of a public record. Sheila And this. Can you believe this (portion after Jerry's quote)? Kelley Saveika is positioning herself as an expert less than 48 hours after her hearing! I assume she was convicted of animal cruelty because they confiscated her rescue cats... She says, among other things, I think I mentioned this before but I study these things and go to conferences to learn how to get to no kill, or very very close to no kill. This from a woman who had a dead cat in her closet for two months and a cat dying from neglect under her sink? She makes my skin crawl - Original Message - From: Kelley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: [centraltexasrescue] Re: Attention all Texas rescuers! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Nov 2007 at 7:36, Toni Liguori wrote: Unfortunately, I think that to get the city to listen at all, Nathan's name has to be completely omitted from any proposal. I think that's an excellent idea. His proposals are winners, but the man himself is so confrontational that his presence immediately polarizes any discussion. We need to press for the programs and leave the personalities out of it. There are some other people who are not so polarizing who are making great strides. Barbara Carr's shelter in Erie County NY killed only 88 cats and 0 dogs last year. She has an amazing offsite adoption program. I think I mentioned this before but I study these things and go to conferences to learn how to get to no kill, or very very close to no kill. I hate to think of 88 cats being killed but compare that to TLAC. I adore Nathan Winograd, but I don't care if people use his name. What
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I talked to several people that sat through the 3 hour hearing where the A/C video WAS shown. Lots of people wanted to attend themselves, and did so, including my vet's wife, Sheila, just so that they could verify first hand information. Sheila ended up commiting to 15 cats that the Humane Society did not take, due to the fact that they were unsocialize young adults that had been collected as kittens and just turned loose into this pit of squalor... No, I did not attend, I had too much to do elsewhere. The cats have been out of her care for 10 days now, so of course they look better. But on the A/C video that was shown in court, they all had pus filled eyes snot. When the news says that we are saying it's the worse case we have seen, well, I think that says it all. Yes, the woman does need help, however, she needs to stop pretending that everything is ok. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I don't know what the circumstances are here because although the Animal control film made accusations they never really showed the inside of the house and since they are seizing the animals I don't expect them to say anything nice. The animals I saw on the film didn't look sick or undernourished or but I wasn't there and nothing was really shown of the inside of the house. Susan since you brought this up, were you there in the house while the animals were being seized or are you repeating what someone told you?? That said it just from what little I saw, it didn't look very good, I for one am on the animals side always and unfortunately whether these animals are FeLV+ or not, when a list member is taking money from group members to help with the animals, lawyers, whatever I do not want to help keep a hoarder in business. I'm not saying this is the case but if it is count me out and I DO want to know. Hoarders are sick and have no clue they are harming the very animals they profess to want to help, they do not see the destruction they are causing. If there is even the possibility of this I want to know so I don't help keep the situation going on. Kelley, I don't know if the accusations are true but if they are please get the help you need ... if you need the help and don't get it only cause more harm and only sadness will follow. My prayers are with you at this time. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Susan, Well we have these problems here too and when AC raids a house and it is on the news they show actual footage of the inside to back up what they are saying. Since this wasn't done in this case I have to have reservations that AC was probably exaggerating what they actually saw, believe me the news loves these kinds of horror stories and has NO problem showing just how bad it is so it probably wasn't as bad as foul mouth Sheila told you, but since your friends I understand you taking her every word as gospel. Also when I die and have to face myself and all the things I did here, there aren't going to be too many I will have to feel bad about so I sleep pretty good thank you. I wonder how Sheilas vet husband feels about her foul mouth tearing apart fest of people you two don't like?? I must say it puts a bad light on him but I guess he doesn't care or doesn't know. Not very professional of either of them in my opinion. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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first of all, as usual, susan's posts have nothing to do with FeLV. i sincerely ache for the people who have just gotten a diagnosis, and have to wade through all of this. every single case that ever hits the news says, the worst case we've ever seen! those of us who actually do the work recognize the catch phrase. i've seen what the a/c team did to her house in the name of protecting cats, too--wanna see THEM? we're not sure if there were any working toilets in the house. um, isn't that pretty easy to check? that little LEVER near the top? and who turned these neonates, that no other rescue in austin would take, into this pit of squalor, susan? folks might like to hear the answer to that. of course they look better? after ten days in a shelter? and you say you're a RESCUER??? no cat, EVER, looks better after coming out of a shelter. the persian on the austin humane society page demonstrates what anyone involved in persian rescue knows--they do HORRIBLY in shelters. and his eye condition? rare in cats, it's called cherry-eye, and he came INTO the shelter with it, it's on his intake records, and both his owner's vet and dr samon told kelley that it wasn't bothering him, and was not at a stage where it required intervention. people, please think before you jump to conclusions: remember susan's attacks on other groups she had no knowledge of, and other members of the group. ask questions of the people who've seen the emails from the shelter, and the vet bills, and know about the history of rescue in this community. you can find it, because it's out there. for help in determining where the agenda is, with permission i'm including an email sent to kelley last night from sheila smith. mia was NOT an it, she was a she, a big calico who was owner-surrendered at 12.5 years of age. think things through. From: Sheila Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Nov 18, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [centraltexasrescue] Candle for Mia To: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are sickening. I am about to rip your ass apart with this crap. You starved Mia and it had no choice but to die to get away from you. I am watching you Kelly and the first misstep I can prove, I am on you like you know what on what. Sheila work on changing the laws, on saving the cats, NOT on trashing one another. that's it from me. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Kelly S.
Hey, Kelly, the feral group w AHS is signing folks up. This would be a great place to get your feet wet w/ the Austin feral scene and meet some folks, get some great advice network. Email offine if you want the contact purrson's email addy. Sorry, I don't have your email addy or I would have emailed you offline... :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
to susan or Kelly: cross posting
Hi, can either of you or someone post the email explaining the situation of Susan's fire and with all the right contact information so that I can cross post the information. I started writing, but was not sure if I had all the contact information as some of the old emails got deleted. thank you. Hideyo
to Kelly L
Hi, Kelly, could you forward me the study done by italian group on Alferon again? Someone needs it and I don't have a copy as I changed my email address.. thank you!
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At 07:24 PM 7/5/2007, you wrote: Hi, Kelly, could you forward me the study done by italian group on Alferon again? Someone needs it and I don't have a copy as I changed my email address.. thank you! Sure Hideyo, but please give me your email address as I cannot send it to the group as a pdf file,,,I won't go through. Kelly Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: Thorne Immugen - Kelly
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:37:03 -0700 Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They use Immuno Regulin at BEST FIRENDS on theru FELV cats and have many old kitties. They use 0.25 cc (1/4 cc) each month I.M.) It is not expensive and I use it alsoit is best given I.V. so I take Max to the vet for his I. V dose once a month Kelly Thanks for the suggestion, Kelly. If the corneal ulcer has not healed when Shane sees the vet for his recheck appointment, I will ask her about ImmunoRegulin. Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ
Kelly
I'm sorry for your loss, Kelly. tonya Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:48 PM 3/18/2007, you wrote: I am so sorry for being late to respond, I lost one of my Babies on Sat so it is hard, This may be something you have thought of but have you used the Immuno Regulin?? It is given iV and great in a crisis for their immune system, it is availabel without a Rx an Rivival Animal Health, Kelly lane Thanks for the update. Love and prayers for you and Slinky. elizabeth On 3/18/07, Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all!!! Just wanted to give you all the latest update. I brought Slinky home this afternoon The doctor called me this morning and said he was doing great and could go home. I stopped and saw him on my way to church and he was wanting to jump out of his cage and go home. :) I went back this afternoon and they said his temp is normal (101 - was 102 when I went in the morning), his BP, respirations, heart rate, etc. were all normal. He even ate quite a bit of his dry food after I left in the morning. He was alert and looking around. His gums are still pale but they're definitely pinker! When we got home I took him out of his carrier...and watched my baby boy run across the living room floor, jump up on the couch, and perch on the window sill!!! :) Considering that I wasn't sure I'd even get to bring him home, I just about burst into tears! The bill was actually pretty close to the estimate and they're going to have me continue his clavamox and baytril and give him sub-q fluids if I need them. My friend who's a vet tech will be here tonight to help me take care of him and keep an eye on him for the week. We have a follow-up appointment Thursday night to run another CBC and see where we stand. Throughout all of it, the hospital was absolutely amazing! I called 2-3 times last night for updates and they were great about getting them to me. They actually THANKED me for the opportunity to work with him and told me what a wonderful cat he is. :) Now for the not-so-happy news. He was really alert and energetic for a while...but I noticed he was starting to feel warm again. I took his temp and it got to 104 and then he moved and it came out and he wouldn't let me get it in again. :( I called the hospital to make sure I was supposed to give him his abx tonight (wanted to make sure I wasn't overdosing him after he'd been on IV abx). The doctor said to give him the abx and go ahead with sub-q fluids...but also said that she's concerned about his ability to regenerate and that she thinks I've done all I can for him...and it may be that if he's eating and alert that's a good day for him. We gave him the clavamox, baytril, some C and L-Lysine, and Hi-Vite and then started the sub-q's. Took the temp after the fluids were done and it was 104.4. I'm hoping it will go down by the time the fluid absorbs. He's seeming a bit more lethargic and sleepy now. I hate to keep poking and prodding him...it has to be frustrating for him! I'm feeling a bit discouraged...everything seemed to be going so well when I picked him up! But my friend (the vet tech) is saying that his body needs time to adjust to the new blood. I'm hoping that's what's happening...and not that his body is killing the new blood cells. Please keep up the prayers and good thoughts! I know we've done everything we can...but I really want this to work! I got my baby back for a few hours...and I want more! Thanks again for all your support and love. I'll send more info when I have it. MJ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007
To Kelly L: Re: OT Big problem, help
Best Friends does support local groups also with the funds they receive. Last year their total revenue was a little over $30 million. They spent almost $10 million on sanctuary maintenance, but $5 million on programs and outreach and a little over $2.5 million on rescue. They have partner groups in many cities that they support, one of which came out to tnr (?) a feral colony my elderly grandmother was feeding in North Carolina after I called Best Friends for help a few years ago. I think Best Friends is a fabulous organization, one worth donating to. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any rescue group, and that includes many kill shelters, We all agree on the basics, Spay and neuter, and TNR (although Peta is against TNR,,or at least they were) My criteria may be a bit different from yours,. there is a local rescue here that does not ask for an adoption fee which frightens me and she also does dogs and cats and recently lost a cat to a dog, Also very frightening, but she works her butt off finding homes for so very many in need , We need to support each other and educate, If there is a dangerous overcrowding situation that should be addressed and perhaps helped, Animal people feel a great deal of passion so logic is frequently non existent, We need to support each other,,We need to support each other,,,Best Friends has more money than you can imagine, I give to local groups who really need it, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly. This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either. BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems with. They've rehomed 5,000 cats. I'm just trying to make it my policy to not verbally run down other rescue groups or expend my efforts trying to get them shut down. I'm in this to help cats, not get involved in politics. I have to remind myself of that just about daily. My model is Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah, and they didn't get to where they are today by spending all their time trash talking other rescues (not that I am suggesting you are trash talking, this is just something I see on a daily basis from people involved in rescue - they'll tell people Oh, don't adopt a cat from x rescue..they are a bad rescue). Anyway, if you do not support this group's practices, don't give them any money. Don't let them guilt you into giving them money either. If you want to keep your money local, I would find another rescue group. Check them out before you give them money. Cats should not be taken to adoption days when ill - that's bad practice. If they want people to give them money, the donors should be allowed to examine
Re: To Kelly L: Re: OT Big problem, help
At 09:35 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: I totally agree, as I go there often and have been a member for 8 years, Actually I am attending the weeks course on starting a shelter in April, but I see so many local groups really struggling, and they are my back yard, and they are desperate for help. We almost pruchased 2 acres in the Vermillion cliffs area, it is outside the city of Kanab about 2 miles east, Many employees live there, I have also volunteered at their adoptions in Burbank,It is a place to catch your breath. Kelly l Best Friends does support local groups also with the funds they receive. Last year their total revenue was a little over $30 million. They spent almost $10 million on sanctuary maintenance, but $5 million on programs and outreach and a little over $2.5 million on rescue. They have partner groups in many cities that they support, one of which came out to tnr (?) a feral colony my elderly grandmother was feeding in North Carolina after I called Best Friends for help a few years ago. I think Best Friends is a fabulous organization, one worth donating to. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any rescue group, and that includes many kill shelters, We all agree on the basics, Spay and neuter, and TNR (although Peta is against TNR,,or at least they were) My criteria may be a bit different from yours,. there is a local rescue here that does not ask for an adoption fee which frightens me and she also does dogs and cats and recently lost a cat to a dog, Also very frightening, but she works her butt off finding homes for so very many in need , We need to support each other and educate, If there is a dangerous overcrowding situation that should be addressed and perhaps helped, Animal people feel a great deal of passion so logic is frequently non existent, We need to support each other,,We need to support each other,,,Best Friends has more money than you can imagine, I give to local groups who really need it, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly. This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either. BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems with. They've rehomed 5,000 cats. I'm just trying to make it my policy to not verbally run down other rescue groups or expend my efforts trying to get them shut down. I'm in this to help cats, not get involved in politics. I have to remind myself of that just about daily. My model is Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah, and they didn't get to where they are today by spending all their time trash talking other rescues (not that I am suggesting you are trash talking, this is just something I see on a daily basis from people involved in rescue - they'll tell people Oh, don't
Re: To Kelly L: Re: Best Friends
I think it's very cool that you go there to volunteer. Do you have any suggestions for where to stay while visiting Best Friends? I know there are a few cottages on property, but I'd like to stay at the best/most beautiful place if possible. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:35 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: I totally agree, as I go there often and have been a member for 8 years, Actually I am attending the weeks course on starting a shelter in April, but I see so many local groups really struggling, and they are my back yard, and they are desperate for help. We almost pruchased 2 acres in the Vermillion cliffs area, it is outside the city of Kanab about 2 miles east, Many employees live there, I have also volunteered at their adoptions in Burbank,It is a place to catch your breath. Kelly l Best Friends does support local groups also with the funds they receive. Last year their total revenue was a little over $30 million. They spent almost $10 million on sanctuary maintenance, but $5 million on programs and outreach and a little over $2.5 million on rescue. They have partner groups in many cities that they support, one of which came out to tnr (?) a feral colony my elderly grandmother was feeding in North Carolina after I called Best Friends for help a few years ago. I think Best Friends is a fabulous organization, one worth donating to. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any rescue group, and that includes many kill shelters, We all agree on the basics, Spay and neuter, and TNR (although Peta is against TNR,,or at least they were) My criteria may be a bit different from yours,. there is a local rescue here that does not ask for an adoption fee which frightens me and she also does dogs and cats and recently lost a cat to a dog, Also very frightening, but she works her butt off finding homes for so very many in need , We need to support each other and educate, If there is a dangerous overcrowding situation that should be addressed and perhaps helped, Animal people feel a great deal of passion so logic is frequently non existent, We need to support each other,,We need to support each other,,,Best Friends has more money than you can imagine, I give to local groups who really need it, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly. This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either. BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems
Re: To Kelly L: Re: Best Friends
I have never been but I know you can check out a dog to do a sleepover with if you stay at the cottages. I don't know if you can do sleepovers at the hotels! On 11/27/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's very cool that you go there to volunteer. Do you have any suggestions for where to stay while visiting Best Friends? I know there are a few cottages on property, but I'd like to stay at the best/most beautiful place if possible. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:35 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: I totally agree, as I go there often and have been a member for 8 years, Actually I am attending the weeks course on starting a shelter in April, but I see so many local groups really struggling, and they are my back yard, and they are desperate for help. We almost pruchased 2 acres in the Vermillion cliffs area, it is outside the city of Kanab about 2 miles east, Many employees live there, I have also volunteered at their adoptions in Burbank,It is a place to catch your breath. Kelly l Best Friends does support local groups also with the funds they receive. Last year their total revenue was a little over $30 million. They spent almost $10 million on sanctuary maintenance, but $5 million on programs and outreach and a little over $2.5 million on rescue. They have partner groups in many cities that they support, one of which came out to tnr (?) a feral colony my elderly grandmother was feeding in North Carolina after I called Best Friends for help a few years ago. I think Best Friends is a fabulous organization, one worth donating to. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any rescue group, and that includes many kill shelters, We all agree on the basics, Spay and neuter, and TNR (although Peta is against TNR,,or at least they were) My criteria may be a bit different from yours,. there is a local rescue here that does not ask for an adoption fee which frightens me and she also does dogs and cats and recently lost a cat to a dog, Also very frightening, but she works her butt off finding homes for so very many in need , We need to support each other and educate, If there is a dangerous overcrowding situation that should be addressed and perhaps helped, Animal people feel a great deal of passion so logic is frequently non existent, We need to support each other,,We need to support each other,,,Best Friends has more money than you can imagine, I give to local groups who really need it, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly. This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either. BUT this group has done a lot
Re: To Kelly L: Re: Best Friends
At 10:36 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: I think you can...used to be able to I have never been but I know you can check out a dog to do a sleepover with if you stay at the cottages. I don't know if you can do sleepovers at the hotels! On 11/27/06, wendy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's very cool that you go there to volunteer. Do you have any suggestions for where to stay while visiting Best Friends? I know there are a few cottages on property, but I'd like to stay at the best/most beautiful place if possible. :) Wendy --- Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:35 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: I totally agree, as I go there often and have been a member for 8 years, Actually I am attending the weeks course on starting a shelter in April, but I see so many local groups really struggling, and they are my back yard, and they are desperate for help. We almost pruchased 2 acres in the Vermillion cliffs area, it is outside the city of Kanab about 2 miles east, Many employees live there, I have also volunteered at their adoptions in Burbank,It is a place to catch your breath. Kelly l Best Friends does support local groups also with the funds they receive. Last year their total revenue was a little over $30 million. They spent almost $10 million on sanctuary maintenance, but $5 million on programs and outreach and a little over $2.5 million on rescue. They have partner groups in many cities that they support, one of which came out to tnr (?) a feral colony my elderly grandmother was feeding in North Carolina after I called Best Friends for help a few years ago. I think Best Friends is a fabulous organization, one worth donating to. :) Wendy --- Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any rescue group, and that includes many kill shelters, We all agree on the basics, Spay and neuter, and TNR (although Peta is against TNR,,or at least they were) My criteria may be a bit different from yours,. there is a local rescue here that does not ask for an adoption fee which frightens me and she also does dogs and cats and recently lost a cat to a dog, Also very frightening, but she works her butt off finding homes for so very many in need , We need to support each other and educate, If there is a dangerous overcrowding situation that should be addressed and perhaps helped, Animal people feel a great deal of passion so logic is frequently non existent, We need to support each other,,We need to support each other,,,Best Friends has more money than you can imagine, I give to local groups who really need it, Kelly http://www.kellyscats.zoomshare.comwww.kellyscats.zoomshare.com thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly. This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down
Re: To Kelly L: Re: Best Friends
At 10:28 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: It might be to late to reserve a cottage I will email you some pics, there are many places in town also, We were lucky on our first 3 visits to stay at the Rock House, but now they use it for storage, You will see it when you are there, it is between the visitors center and the cottages, Every place there is beautiful. while we are there I work with the cats and hubby does the horses, I s cried when Harriet died. and Oscar. I have so many pictures of them . Ihave never been there in Feb, we usually do fall so you will see so many things that i did not, Like SNOW, We had electric storms when I was there, One day I was in Bentons house during a bad storm and there was an exceptionally loud thunder, Well it struck a tree right outside the clinic and took down a tree, It has been 3 years since I have been there so I am really looking forward to April. You will have a wonderful time, Everyone there is super nice Kelly I think it's very cool that you go there to volunteer. Do you have any suggestions for where to stay while visiting Best Friends? I know there are a few cottages on property, but I'd like to stay at the best/most beautiful place if possible. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:35 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: I totally agree, as I go there often and have been a member for 8 years, Actually I am attending the weeks course on starting a shelter in April, but I see so many local groups really struggling, and they are my back yard, and they are desperate for help. We almost pruchased 2 acres in the Vermillion cliffs area, it is outside the city of Kanab about 2 miles east, Many employees live there, I have also volunteered at their adoptions in Burbank,It is a place to catch your breath. Kelly l Best Friends does support local groups also with the funds they receive. Last year their total revenue was a little over $30 million. They spent almost $10 million on sanctuary maintenance, but $5 million on programs and outreach and a little over $2.5 million on rescue. They have partner groups in many cities that they support, one of which came out to tnr (?) a feral colony my elderly grandmother was feeding in North Carolina after I called Best Friends for help a few years ago. I think Best Friends is a fabulous organization, one worth donating to. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any rescue group, and that includes many kill shelters, We all agree on the basics, Spay and neuter, and TNR (although Peta is against TNR,,or at least they were) My criteria may be a bit different from yours,. there is a local rescue here that does not ask for an adoption fee which frightens me and she also does dogs and cats and recently lost a cat to a dog, Also very frightening, but she works her butt off finding homes for so very many in need , We need to support each other and educate, If there is a dangerous overcrowding situation that should be addressed and perhaps helped, Animal people feel a great deal of passion so logic is frequently non existent, We need to support each other,,We need to support each other,,,Best Friends has more money than you can imagine, I give to local groups who really need it, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic
Re: Homoepathy - Kelly
I'm a big fan of homeopathy, and use it regularly myself, with great success (never tried it with FIP though). Her list of stuff looks reasonable. But I'd be interested in knowing who this is. Gloria At 02:28 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: Serious question, all of us love our cats and are often in desperate situations, there is a Homeopath who also has a site, Without going into all of the details which I have records of this person frightens people in to following her plan and charges a lot of money, she has made a claim on her site that she has an over 50% success rate with FIP cats, yet she refuses to give any references, If you ask you just get insulted, she tells them she can only take on 2 FIP cases a week and if you are lucky enough to be selected for her fee she will take you on as a client, I have the invoice she charged one person I will Paste on here. I have emails she sent another friend with an FIP cat that were insulting and more than unprofessional, In my own experience with this person I might have lost my IBD cat with cholangiohepatitis had I listened to this person, I was berrated for taking my cat to the vet. fortunately I did and he had a gall stone and without surgery would have died, He is now fat and happy, I could be totally wrong and this is what homeopaths do, so please correct me if I am in error, This is a copy of the Invoice due, to show the detail, and the original is sent via PayPal. Consult agreed 9-14-06, all items per fee quotation on 9-14-06. Copy here: Repertorizing takes several hours, it's the process to match a specific remedy to an individual. It has a fee of $117 first time and $98 each additional time if another repertorizing is needed. It's needed at the start of a consultation, and may be needed again as a complex case progresses, if the symptoms change significantly. The initial Consult has a $30 fee for writing up the recommendations accompanying the repertorizing, including diet, remedies, supplements, and answering questions you may have about it. This involves about 8 hours work on my part and the fee is $147 due at the start of a consult. [This was not received yet.] After that, there's a fee for follow-up of $25 for each day on which advice emails are needed. For quick one-liners it's $5 each so as not to charge $25 for a one-liner. All fees are in US dollars. INVOICE ITEMS: 9-14-06 Intereferon and multiple FIP-related emails of advice $25 9-15-05 FIP-related multiple emails of advice $25 9-15-06 Parcel with FIP nosode 30C $20 9-16-06 Advice on food, slippery-elm etc $25 9-17-06 Advice on how to use nosodes, also for multiple cats $25 9-18-06 Main consult repertorizing (Zinc) and write-up $147.00 9-18-06 Article on Fiber importance, (complimentary) 9-21-06 Follow-up $25 9-26-06 Follow-up re Zinc 200C multiple emails $25 9-27-06 Follow-up multiple emails $25 9-28-06 Short email $5 10-03-06 Short email $5 10-03-06 Fip 30C and 200c nosode parcel $35 10-05-06 Advice NOT to use FIP 200C before Dharma is fully well. $10 10-11-06 Instructions how to ensure the nosodes last several years. $25 10-17-06 Advice for other cats $25 10-25-06 Follow-up emails XXX worse after Fip 200C nosode $25. 10-26-06 Multiple email follow-ups $25 10-30-06 Repertorize again (Kali-c and Pic-ac) $98 10-30-06 Short email $5 10-31-06 Multiple follow-up emails $25 TOTAL DUE through end OCTOBER: $625.00 PayPal fee if paid by credit card $31 TOTAL BY PAYPAL $656 If to prefer to mail a check to avoid the PAyPal fee, that is fine, just let me know and I'll cancel the PayPal invoice. Thank You. -- I am sure there are good , professional Homeopaths out there getting a bad reputation from what I see as scam artists. Please share your wise opinions here. also the price she is attempting to charge another friend. I know we deal with bad VETS all the time, but there are others out there willing to take advantage also.
Re: Homoepathy - Kelly
At 03:17 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: Would rather not say which homeopath it is, Are those reasonable prices??Would not a reputable practitioner be able to substantiate their claims.? Oh, the cat died by the way, Would you risk your pets life to anyone making claims they can't or will not back up. I would love to see them work. That is true for any profession, Medical, legal, financial etc. I would not hire anyone to put a roof on my house without references, I want to see their work and talk to their other clients, I think that is reasonable and prudent and responsible, Kelly Lane I'm a big fan of homeopathy, and use it regularly myself, with great success (never tried it with FIP though). Her list of stuff looks reasonable. But I'd be interested in knowing who this is. Gloria At 02:28 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: Serious question, all of us love our cats and are often in desperate situations, there is a Homeopath who also has a site, Without going into all of the details which I have records of this person frightens people in to following her plan and charges a lot of money, she has made a claim on her site that she has an over 50% success rate with FIP cats, yet she refuses to give any references, If you ask you just get insulted, she tells them she can only take on 2 FIP cases a week and if you are lucky enough to be selected for her fee she will take you on as a client, I have the invoice she charged one person I will Paste on here. I have emails she sent another friend with an FIP cat that were insulting and more than unprofessional, In my own experience with this person I might have lost my IBD cat with cholangiohepatitis had I listened to this person, I was berrated for taking my cat to the vet. fortunately I did and he had a gall stone and without surgery would have died, He is now fat and happy, I could be totally wrong and this is what homeopaths do, so please correct me if I am in error, This is a copy of the Invoice due, to show the detail, and the original is sent via PayPal. Consult agreed 9-14-06, all items per fee quotation on 9-14-06. Copy here: Repertorizing takes several hours, it's the process to match a specific remedy to an individual. It has a fee of $117 first time and $98 each additional time if another repertorizing is needed. It's needed at the start of a consultation, and may be needed again as a complex case progresses, if the symptoms change significantly. The initial Consult has a $30 fee for writing up the recommendations accompanying the repertorizing, including diet, remedies, supplements, and answering questions you may have about it. This involves about 8 hours work on my part and the fee is $147 due at the start of a consult. [This was not received yet.] After that, there's a fee for follow-up of $25 for each day on which advice emails are needed. For quick one-liners it's $5 each so as not to charge $25 for a one-liner. All fees are in US dollars. INVOICE ITEMS: 9-14-06 Intereferon and multiple FIP-related emails of advice $25 9-15-05 FIP-related multiple emails of advice $25 9-15-06 Parcel with FIP nosode 30C $20 9-16-06 Advice on food, slippery-elm etc $25 9-17-06 Advice on how to use nosodes, also for multiple cats $25 9-18-06 Main consult repertorizing (Zinc) and write-up $147.00 9-18-06 Article on Fiber importance, (complimentary) 9-21-06 Follow-up $25 9-26-06 Follow-up re Zinc 200C multiple emails $25 9-27-06 Follow-up multiple emails $25 9-28-06 Short email $5 10-03-06 Short email $5 10-03-06 Fip 30C and 200c nosode parcel $35 10-05-06 Advice NOT to use FIP 200C before Dharma is fully well. $10 10-11-06 Instructions how to ensure the nosodes last several years. $25 10-17-06 Advice for other cats $25 10-25-06 Follow-up emails XXX worse after Fip 200C nosode $25. 10-26-06 Multiple email follow-ups $25 10-30-06 Repertorize again (Kali-c and Pic-ac) $98 10-30-06 Short email $5 10-31-06 Multiple follow-up emails $25 TOTAL DUE through end OCTOBER: $625.00 PayPal fee if paid by credit card $31 TOTAL BY PAYPAL $656 If to prefer to mail a check to avoid the PAyPal fee, that is fine, just let me know and I'll cancel the PayPal invoice. Thank You. -- I am sure there are good , professional Homeopaths out there getting a bad reputation from what I see as scam artists. Please share your wise opinions here. also the price she is attempting to charge another friend. I know we deal with bad VETS all the time, but there are others out there willing to take advantage also. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006
Re: Homoepathy - Kelly
At 03:52 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: I have no problem with all kinds of alternative treatments, We try everything, I have a problem with someone who does make claims and refuses to back them up, but then there is that on saying,,buyer beware or fool me once shame on you... fool me twice shame on me, I am having wonderful luck with Alferon, the natural interferon, But I read the studies first, SAM-E is a supplement that is proven to work on the liver, Great things out there. and a client trying any last ditch effort is understandable, being financially ripped off is inexcusable, especially by someone who claims to love cats, Kelly FIP is difficult any way you look at it. I don't know what his/her claims are, but I think if anything the client is agreeing (I assume) to try anything in an already impossible situation. Slippery elm is really reasonable, as it's soothing to the digestive tract. I've used it, love it. Interferon is something I would have tried, and it didn't seem to be too expensive. I used an Australian homeopath for a Feleuk kitty once, but again, think it's a shot in the dark for an impossible situation. All that $$$ down the tubes. Happens with people who are sick too :) Sorry, I'm heading out right now or would read more detail, but looking at what's on the list, what's on her list seems to make sense. Which doesn't mean she's necessarily nice, or skilled, just not unreasonable. Oops, gotta run - out of time to meet someone for dinner. Gloria At 05:29 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: At 03:17 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: Would rather not say which homeopath it is, Are those reasonable prices??Would not a reputable practitioner be able to substantiate their claims.? Oh, the cat died by the way, Would you risk your pets life to anyone making claims they can't or will not back up. I would love to see them work. That is true for any profession, Medical, legal, financial etc. I would not hire anyone to put a roof on my house without references, I want to see their work and talk to their other clients, I think that is reasonable and prudent and responsible, Kelly Lane I'm a big fan of homeopathy, and use it regularly myself, with great success (never tried it with FIP though). Her list of stuff looks reasonable. But I'd be interested in knowing who this is. Gloria At 02:28 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: Serious question, all of us love our cats and are often in desperate situations, there is a Homeopath who also has a site, Without going into all of the details which I have records of this person frightens people in to following her plan and charges a lot of money, she has made a claim on her site that she has an over 50% success rate with FIP cats, yet she refuses to give any references, If you ask you just get insulted, she tells them she can only take on 2 FIP cases a week and if you are lucky enough to be selected for her fee she will take you on as a client, I have the invoice she charged one person I will Paste on here. I have emails she sent another friend with an FIP cat that were insulting and more than unprofessional, In my own experience with this person I might have lost my IBD cat with cholangiohepatitis had I listened to this person, I was berrated for taking my cat to the vet. fortunately I did and he had a gall stone and without surgery would have died, He is now fat and happy, I could be totally wrong and this is what homeopaths do, so please correct me if I am in error, This is a copy of the Invoice due, to show the detail, and the original is sent via PayPal. Consult agreed 9-14-06, all items per fee quotation on 9-14-06. Copy here: Repertorizing takes several hours, it's the process to match a specific remedy to an individual. It has a fee of $117 first time and $98 each additional time if another repertorizing is needed. It's needed at the start of a consultation, and may be needed again as a complex case progresses, if the symptoms change significantly. The initial Consult has a $30 fee for writing up the recommendations accompanying the repertorizing, including diet, remedies, supplements, and answering questions you may have about it. This involves about 8 hours work on my part and the fee is $147 due at the start of a consult. [This was not received yet.] After that, there's a fee for follow-up of $25 for each day on which advice emails are needed. For quick one-liners it's $5 each so as not to charge $25 for a one-liner. All fees are in US dollars. INVOICE ITEMS: 9-14-06 Intereferon and multiple FIP-related emails of advice $25 9-15-05 FIP-related multiple emails of advice $25 9-15-06 Parcel with FIP nosode 30C $20 9-16-06 Advice on food, slippery-elm etc $25 9-17-06 Advice on how to use nosodes, also for multiple cats $25 9-18-06 Main consult repertorizing (Zinc) and write-up $147.00 9-18-06 Article on Fiber importance, (complimentary) 9
RE: OT Help, I am so embarrassed to Kelly
Kelly - don't be -- but I know you cannot help it -- actually it happens to me all the time.. people around me sniffs and says you smell like a cat pee --- it's so embarrassing.. but they know that I am a crazy cat lady-- So I sort of laugh with them.
Kelly, you rock! Re: OT: Power of positive thoughts today!
How's this for positive? I just got off the phone with the station and it's on their story list and it's running today!!Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous - Original Message From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:53:26 AMSubject: OT: Power of positive thoughts today! I'm a big believer in the power of positive thinking and today is a very good day to put that into practice. Let's all think Leslie's babies will be reunited with her safe and sound today. A Cosmic Trigger Event will occur on the 17th of October 2006. By Raphiem/Blue This is the beginning, one of many trigger events to come between now and 2013. An ultraviolet (UV) pulse beam radiating from higher dimensions in universe-2 will cross paths with the Earth on this day. Earth will remain approximately within this UV beam for 17 hours of your time.This beam resonates with the heart chakra, it is radiant fluorescent in nature, blue/magenta in color. Although it resonates in this frequency band, it is above the color frequency spectrum of your universe-1 which you, Earth articulate in. However due to the nature of your soul and soul groups operating from Universe-2 frequency bands it will have an effect.The effect is every thought and emotion will be amplified intensely one million-fold. Yes, we will repeat, all will be amplified one millions time and more.Every thought, every emotion, every intent, every will, no matter if it is good, bad, ill, positive, negative, will be amplified one million times in strength.What does this mean?Since all matter manifest is due to your thoughts, i.e. what you focus on, this beam will accelerate these thoughts and solidify them at an accelerated rate making them manifest a million times faster than they normally would.For those that do not comprehend. Your thoughts, what you focus on create your reality.This UV beam thus can be a dangerous tool. For if you are focused on thoughts which are negative to your liking they will manifest into your reality almost instantly. Then again this UV beam can be a gift if you choose it to be.Mission-1017 requires approximately one million people to focus on positive, benign, good willed thoughts for themselves and the Earth and Humanity on this day. Your thoughts can be of any nature of your choosing, but remember whatever you focus on will be made manifest in a relatively faster than anticipated time frame. To some the occurrences may almost be bordering on the miracle.All we ask is positive thoughts of love, prosperity, healing, wealth, kindness, gratitude be focused on.This UV beam comes into full affect for 17hrs on the 17th of October 2006.No matter what time zone you are in the hours are approximately 10:17am on the 17th of October to 1:17am on the 18th of October.The peak time will be 17:10 (5:10pm) on the 17th October.You do not need to be in a meditative state through out this time, though that would be beneficial. The main key time no matter what time zone you are in will be the peak time of 17:10 (5:10 pm). Perhaps at this time if you can find a peaceful spot or location to focus. The optimum is out in the vicinity of grounded nature, likened to that of a large tree or next to the ocean waves. Focus on whatever it is you desire. What is required for the benefit of all Earth and HUmanity is positive thoughts of loving nature.We call this UV beam trigger event, "818" gateway.Please forward this message to as many people as you know who will use this cosmic trigger event to focus positive, good willed thoughts.We require approximately 1-million people across globe to actively participate in this event. Please use whatever communication mediums you have at your disposal. Reach out to as many people as possible. We require 1-million plus people at the least to trigger a shift for humanity from separation and fragmentation to one of unification and oneness.This is your opportunity to take back what is rightfully yours i.e. Peace and Prosperity for all Earth and Mankind.Mission1017Raphiem/Blue (courtesy: http://educate-yourself.org/ww/oct2006cosmictriggerevent25sep06.shtml)-- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Kelly, you rock! Re: OT: Power of positive thoughts today!
Outstanding!! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:16 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Kelly, you rock! Re: OT: Power of positive thoughts today! How's this for positive? I just got off the phone with the station and it's on their story list and it's running today!!Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous - Original Message From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:53:26 AMSubject: OT: Power of positive thoughts today! I'm a big believer in the power of positive thinking and today is a very good day to put that into practice. Let's all think Leslie's babies will be reunited with her safe and sound today. A Cosmic Trigger Event will occur on the 17th of October 2006. By Raphiem/Blue This is the beginning, one of many trigger events to come between now and 2013. An ultraviolet (UV) pulse beam radiating from higher dimensions in universe-2 will cross paths with the Earth on this day. Earth will remain approximately within this UV beam for 17 hours of your time.This beam resonates with the heart chakra, it is radiant fluorescent in nature, blue/magenta in color. Although it resonates in this frequency band, it is above the color frequency spectrum of your universe-1 which you, Earth articulate in. However due to the nature of your soul and soul groups operating from Universe-2 frequency bands it will have an effect.The effect is every thought and emotion will be amplified intensely one million-fold. Yes, we will repeat, all will be amplified one millions time and more.Every thought, every emotion, every intent, every will, no matter if it is good, bad, ill, positive, negative, will be amplified one million times in strength.What does this mean?Since all matter manifest is due to your thoughts, i.e. what you focus on, this beam will accelerate these thoughts and solidify them at an accelerated rate making them manifest a million times faster than they normally would.For those that do not comprehend. Your thoughts, what you focus on create your reality.This UV beam thus can be a dangerous tool. For if you are focused on thoughts which are negative to your liking they will manifest into your reality almost instantly. Then again this UV beam can be a gift if you choose it to be.Mission-1017 requires approximately one million people to focus on positive, benign, good willed thoughts for themselves and the Earth and Humanity on this day. Your thoughts can be of any nature of your choosing, but remember whatever you focus on will be made manifest in a relatively faster than anticipated time frame. To some the occurrences may almost be bordering on the miracle.All we ask is positive thoughts of love, prosperity, healing, wealth, kindness, gratitude be focused on.This UV beam comes into full affect for 17hrs on the 17th of October 2006.No matter what time zone you are in the hours are approximately 10:17am on the 17th of October to 1:17am on the 18th of October.The peak time will be 17:10 (5:10pm) on the 17th October.You do not need to be in a meditative state through out this time, though that would be beneficial. The main key time no matter what time zone you are in will be the peak time of 17:10 (5:10 pm). Perhaps at this time if you can find a peaceful spot or location to focus. The optimum is out in the vicinity of grounded nature, likened to that of a large tree or next to the ocean waves. Focus on whatever it is you desire. What is required for the benefit of all Earth and HUmanity is positive thoughts of loving nature.We call this UV beam trigger event, "818" gateway.Please forward this message to as many people as you know who will use this cosmic trigger event to focus positive, good willed thoughts.We require approximately 1-million people across globe to actively participate in this event. Please use whatever communication mediums you have at your disposal. Reach out to as many people as possible. We require 1-million plus people at the least to trigger a shift for humanity from separation and fragmentation to one of unification and oneness.This is your opportunity to take back what is rightfully yours i.e. Peace and Prosperity for all Earth and Mankind.Mission1017Raphiem/Blue (courtesy: http://educate-yourself.org/ww/oct2006cosmictriggerevent25sep06.shtml)-- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosti
To Kelly Fwd: RE: Re: [FIVCats2] Re: Fw: FIV+ cats in NJ
Hi Kelly I am a little confused about that post. Was it that girl Kristie from nj that wrote that first letter? I am from Nj actually about 30 mins from her. Even if the landlord wanted to evict her he would have a hard time. In NJ even if you signed a NO PETS lease and then "snuck" one in it still would be hard to evict her. Especially if she has a security deposit and is willing to pay for "damages". Now I dont want to sound cruel or be hurtful to any ones opinions but Me personally come hell or high water would NEVER leave my 5 yr old baby Crackers behind. Take me to court what ever. My cat is my BABY my SON. Is my rug scratched up...yes is my couch scratch up...sure is. Do I care Nope!! I dont know how anyone under those circumstances could leave behind 3 babies after having them soo long. I am sorry if I was rude I apoligize but I know that I would love to have had more time with POKIES and all of you mommies and daddies would love to have more time with babies you have lost and to read that she will just GIVE them up hurts my heart for those sweet kittys. Kayte and Crackers
To Kelly re. crazy lady
Kelly, Any updates on the crazy lady stealing people's beloved pets and 'surrendering' them to the SPCA, for lack of a better term? I got so angry reading your post. What kind of person has the time to go around and pick up stray cats and turn them in; cats that are people's pets, no less. This lady is borderline sociopath in my opinion, and if those would have been my cats, I can guarantee you I would have ended up in jail for what I would have done to her. My cats are like children to me, and she would have made me go over the deep end if she'd done that to me. How incredibly horrible! Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Kelly re. crazy lady
At 02:32 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote: Things are in the works. I spoke with ALDF today.. I will sure keep everyone informed though, I am not done with this one Thanks kelly Kelly, Any updates on the crazy lady stealing people's beloved pets and 'surrendering' them to the SPCA, for lack of a better term? I got so angry reading your post. What kind of person has the time to go around and pick up stray cats and turn them in; cats that are people's pets, no less. This lady is borderline sociopath in my opinion, and if those would have been my cats, I can guarantee you I would have ended up in jail for what I would have done to her. My cats are like children to me, and she would have made me go over the deep end if she'd done that to me. How incredibly horrible! Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: 9/13/2006
to kelly
Thanks Kelly I am feeling better.. Crackers is sick for the first time in his life...a cold im thinking...i have a vet appointment tomorrow. I look at crackers as my first living on my own pet and my baby...I got him 5 yrs ago he has been with me my entire "adult" life. Since he was 9 weeks old:) He is walking around sneezing on everything..My 4 yr old thinks it is the "cutest". Crackers is handling his first "sick" time great..I been baby talking him saying Oh my dad whats the matter...He sneezes and then licks it up. Other than that he has been fine. LOVING his new food. Eats like a horse and playing like a kitten. Kelly Good Luck with the IFA on Max. I am sure Max will be ok. Thanks for your support. Crackers sends u and max lots of kisses:) kayte You sound so much better and I am so glad to hear it, I'll bet you can look at Crackers now and see your wonderful companion rather than an terminally ill animal, I am still awaiting the IFA results on Max but we are enjoying the heck out ofr him and hes is just a bundle of juvenile cat curiosity, I am starting the Immuno Regulin if the IFA is pos. I have it already.One day at a time,,,but enjoy the days right now.Kelly
Re: To: Kelly
Kelly,Thanks so much for posting that for me!Karenkelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:31 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote:Here is one link to the Rainbow Bridgehttp://rainbowsbridge.com/Poem.htm Is the copy of Rainbow Bridge a picture or a poem? I would love to see it. KarenMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I left my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to... My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good. :) Wendy --- kandbz_ mom wrote: As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to me. - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
We're going to try medicating. I'm just not sure I can afford it long term. I'm getting custody of my 12 year old son again on the 19th, and he's on expensive ADD drugs, and I'm not made of money these days, with Mythic on his medication, it's just all adding up very quickly. As usual, I just have a lot on my plate... the truth is, Zack isn't going to do well outside, I think, because he's thin to begin with, and I just honestly don't have room for 7 cats, myself, my partner, and my son in a one bedroom apartment (we're in the process of building a wall in the livingroom, to divide it into two rooms, to make another small bedroom). I'm still holding out hope SOMEONE will find it in their heart to give Zack a chance to be a housecat again! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
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On 9/2/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was about time to change the subject line.I hear youabout the cost of canned food and quality dry.There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either.I feed quality dry inside andthe best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I usethe Costco brand).Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that reallylike it.I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage myguilt a little bit).We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food.I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long asit's available to her, she leaves the dry alone. Ciara likes all foods. I am sure she didn't get enough food before I got her. There is no telling her history. She's a 5 year old mom and who knows how many litters she has had. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
On 9/2/06, kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:52 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:my problem with litter is dumping it. We are limited to weight and the non clumping litters sure fills things up...luckily mine have the choice of litter or dirt and grass so I only go through aboyt 60 lbs a week ,,,I go through about 80 lbs of just dry food food a week also,,if not more.. Kelly I can't even imagine going through that much dry food. I can barely afford the 80 pounds a month I feed. Fortunately I live in a townhouse complex and we have dumpsters, so I am not limited as to weight. I took out 5 bags of used litter this morning. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
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Phaewryn, Isn't there any way to put him on medication to see if he would tolerate other cats that way? It may be worth a try rather than euthanizing. It really help with Cody. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Oh, I see how that works... but don't you get really nasty flat patties when it gets really low on litter? Maybe my cats pee more volume (each cat, at one time)than yours do. Unfortunately, no, I don't have a garage or anywhere Zack can be put for the winter. I live in a three room apartment, and there's just no way to separate in a place this small, plus, if he's around other cats he sprays really bad. He doesn't spray unless there's other cats' scents he has to mark over. I keep hoping someone will come through for him, but it'slooking really bleak.I can't even cage him inside, as he fights with all the cats through the cage bars so bad that it would keep us awake all night. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
When I scoop I add more litter to bring it back up to a certain level. So I'm continually adding fresh litter throughout the week before dumping completely on the weekend.Keep listing Zack. Do you have a craigslist.org metro area near you? List in their pets section too. You need to list every couple of days if your craigslist is active (keep the listing on the first page or second), list in the local paper, list in all the onlinee groups. Is he listed at Bemi Kitties? Also, we are near the end of kitten season so rscues should have more space soon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I see how that works... but don't you get really nasty flat patties when it gets really low on litter? Maybe my cats pee more volume (each cat, at one time)than yours do. Unfortunately, no, I don't have a garage or anywhere Zack can be put for the winter. I live in a three room apartment, and there's just no way to separate in a place this small, plus, if he's around other cats he sprays really bad. He doesn't spray unless there's other cats' scents he has to mark over. I keep hoping someone will come through for him, but it'slooking really bleak.I can't even cage him inside, as he fights with all the cats through the cage bars so bad that it would keep us awake all night. PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Just so you know, I have also made the turkey mush from Nina's recipe for my Lucy, but instead of cooking a whole turkey and taking it apart I buy the ground Steltons free-range frozen turkey from the health food store, which comes in 1 pound tubes, and use that instead. For the organs I buy a 2 pound frozen tube of Omah's ground turkey organs, made for cats and dogs, which a dog training school nearby sells (I found it from Omah's web page) and just use about 1/8 of a cup of it at a time. I think it is much much easier to make the turkey mush this way than buying, cooking, and dismantling a whole turkey. I also just can not get myself to do that, being a vegan. Michelle
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Thanks for the tip Michelle. I've tried frozen ground turkey for Gypsy in the past, but you know what a picky diva she can be. I'm going to check out the Omah's ground turkey organs though. They would really come in handy when I can't find a whole turkey to cook when I can only find turkey breasts, (I've been cleaning out every grocery store for miles keeping her supplied with whole turkeys). Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so you know, I have also made the turkey mush from Nina's recipe for my Lucy, but instead of cooking a whole turkey and taking it apart I buy the ground Steltons free-range frozen turkey from the health food store, which comes in 1 pound tubes, and use that instead. For the organs I buy a 2 pound frozen tube of Omah's ground turkey organs, made for cats and dogs, which a dog training school nearby sells (I found it from Omah's web page) and just use about 1/8 of a cup of it at a time. I think it is much much easier to make the turkey mush this way than buying, cooking, and dismantling a whole turkey. I also just can not get myself to do that, being a vegan. Michelle
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No local rescues will take FIV+ aggressive cats. The closest metro area is over 50 miles away, and I've heard really bad things about craig's list anyways (bunchers use it to scam free animals). I think he's on bemikitties, I'll have to check. I post him periodically to the FIVCATS2 list at yahoogroups, as well as Special_Needs_ Rescue_Cats. I've even asked Best Friends, but this cat can't be put in with any other cats, so he will never be accepted into any sanctuary (he could live the rest of his life in a cage somewhere, but I think euthanasia is kinder than that). I just have to keep hoping some kind DOG rescue will consider taking him in as an "office cat". That's the only thing I can think of that would possibly work for him. No vet will take him as an office cat, because of his FIV+ status. He's supposedly GREAT with dogs (at least big dogs)and kids, his old owner had both. I've got him posted up on the bulletin board at my vet's office too. Plus, my website, though I admit, I don't know how much traffic my adoption page really gets. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
I do the majority of my adoptions through the Bay Area craigslist. That's how I found most of my foster homes too. Screen well and request a nominal adoption fee. (Bunchers get about $5 per animal. Never list for free anywhere.) Craigslist is a great resource. The Bay Area one was the first and they get 1000s of hits in their pets section every day. Just use it wisely and with discernment.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No local rescues will take FIV+ aggressive cats. The closest metro area is over 50 miles away, and I've heard really bad things about craig's list anyways (bunchers use it to scam free animals). I think he's on bemikitties, I'll have to check. I post him periodically to the FIVCATS2 list at yahoogroups, as well as Special_Needs_ Rescue_Cats. I've even asked Best Friends, but this cat can't be put in with any other cats, so he will never be accepted into any sanctuary (he could live the rest of his life in a cage somewhere, but I think euthanasia is kinder than that). I just have to keep hoping some kind DOG rescue will consider taking him in as an "office cat". That's the only thing I can think of that would possibly work for him. No vet will take him as an office cat, because of his FIV+ status. He's supposedly GREAT with dogs (at least big dogs)and kids, his old owner had both. I've got him posted up on the bulletin board at my vet's office too. Plus, my website, though I admit, I don't know how much traffic my adoption page really gets. PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
He's on both craig's list and the bemikitties site now! $40 adoption fee, 5 pageapplication, and home visit required. That should weed out any whackos. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Where? You're in Vermont, right? Did you receive a self-publishing link via email from craigslist after you submitted your listing? Make sure you say "Bengal" in the ad headline. That's an attention-grabber.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's on both craig's list and the bemikitties site now! $40 adoption fee, 5 pageapplication, and home visit required. That should weed out any whackos. PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
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Yep, Vermont. I haven't gotten the submission link YET, but it's coming soon, I should think. Yeah, it says Bengal in the subject. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
OT Food and IBD - Kelly
I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone. Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do.
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,, Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive vet bills,, We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with. Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and least in Geographical areas, Kelly Lane www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone. Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
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A grocery outlet store near me has 4-POUND cans of salmon on sale right now for $3.99 a can. Around here, that's one meal. I will be so unhappy when they sell out their stock on this item.kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,,Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive vet bills,,We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with.Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and least in Geographical areas,Kelly Lanewww.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone.Kelley Saveika wrote:As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do.--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Tell 'em your willing to take it all off their hands for a further discount! Susan Hoffman wrote: A grocery outlet store near me has 4-POUND cans of salmon on sale right now for $3.99 a can. Around here, that's one meal. I will be so unhappy when they sell out their stock on this item. */kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,, Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive vet bills,, We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with. Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and least in Geographical areas, Kelly Lane www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone. Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
I wish I could afford to do that. I go through more than 30 pounds of dry food a week, 28 pounds of scoopable litter a day, and whenever I see Friskies canned food on sale for 4/$1 I dance all the way to the grocery. And, of course, we must have large quantities of catnip. Daffy, my 18 year old, has earned her daily bowls of cream. I must have canned condensed goats milk and Pedialyte in stock for underweight kittens. Little Sister likes her Marie Callendar rice, broccoli, chicken and cheese casseroles and a little carrot cake for dessert. (Yes, I'm serious. And she deserves it every once in awhile.)Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell 'em your willing to take it all off their hands for a further discount!Susan Hoffman wrote: A grocery outlet store near me has 4-POUND cans of salmon on sale right now for $3.99 a can. Around here, that's one meal. I will be so unhappy when they sell out their stock on this item. */kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,, Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive vet bills,, We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with. Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and least in Geographical areas, Kelly Lane www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone. Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
I've saved a ton of money by switching to a non-clumping litter called cedarific. I buy a huge bale of it for $17, and it fills our 4 catboxes 3 or more times. The only down side? You have to change it more often, every 4-7 days, depending on the weather (heat and humidity effects how fast the ammonia builds up in the wet litter). it's still less than half the cost though, all told. And the cats prefer it. I know some people say pine and cedar based litters can be dangerous because of the fumes (I forget the technical term), but I have uncovered pans in addition to covered ones, and so far, no respiratory distress of any kind. They do prefer the uncovered pans though. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
At 06:52 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: my problem with litter is dumping it. We are limited to weight and the non clumping litters sure fills things up...luckily mine have the choice of litter or dirt and grass so I only go through aboyt 60 lbs a week ,,,I go through about 80 lbs of just dry food food a week also,,if not more.. Kelly I've saved a ton of money by switching to a non-clumping litter called cedarific. I buy a huge bale of it for $17, and it fills our 4 catboxes 3 or more times. The only down side? You have to change it more often, every 4-7 days, depending on the weather (heat and humidity effects how fast the ammonia builds up in the wet litter). it's still less than half the cost though, all told. And the cats prefer it. I know some people say pine and cedar based litters can be dangerous because of the fumes (I forget the technical term), but I have uncovered pans in addition to covered ones, and so far, no respiratory distress of any kind. They do prefer the uncovered pans though. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
The cedarific weighs about 1/2 what the same amount of any clumping litter weighs, and about 1/4 of what any clay (clumping or not) litter weighs. So if you're trying to go for less weight, the cedarific would work better for you... unless you flush your scoopable, you wouldn't want to flush much cedar, I shouldn't think. For example, I could only put one box full of the old scoopable stuff in a plastic garbage bag, or it would weigh too much, and burst the bag. With the cedar litter, I can put all four boxes of waste litter into one bag, and still pick it up with one hand, and it doesn't burst the bag. On the rare incidents a bag has burst (or been torn into by the wildlife) outside, the clay scoopable was a disaster to clean up (it left clay "slicks" when it rained on the spilled area), where the cedar I just raked into the grass. It also comes in smaller bags, you don't have to buy a whole bale just to try it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
At 07:38 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: But with the scoopable I dispose of less each day. that is the weight difference for me. Believe me, I have tried so many different kinds, Oh by the way most of us do Mix our FIV neg cats and positive cats as there has never been a documented case of transmission in a friendly cat household, We all strive for friendly cat house holds and it is that mutual grooming and friendliness that can transmit FELV, FELV is still very hard to catch, I had a positive cat living among my 18 negative cat for years and no one converted to positive, I mix my FIV pos and neg but not my FELV Regarding the Pro Pac kitten,,I am not a nutritional expert,,just pragmatic but it was recommended to me by a veteranian Homeopathic who gets beyond just the protein,, but the types,,, It has worked great for me and my problems...but I still can't afford to use it alone, I will not plagiarize her work but if you are curious go spend a bit of time on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and discuss nutrition, But then 10 different people have 10 different opinions don't they. Kelly The cedarific weighs about 1/2 what the same amount of any clumping litter weighs, and about 1/4 of what any clay (clumping or not) litter weighs. So if you're trying to go for less weight, the cedarific would work better for you... unless you flush your scoopable, you wouldn't want to flush much cedar, I shouldn't think. For example, I could only put one box full of the old scoopable stuff in a plastic garbage bag, or it would weigh too much, and burst the bag. With the cedar litter, I can put all four boxes of waste litter into one bag, and still pick it up with one hand, and it doesn't burst the bag. On the rare incidents a bag has burst (or been torn into by the wildlife) outside, the clay scoopable was a disaster to clean up (it left clay slicks when it rained on the spilled area), where the cedar I just raked into the grass. It also comes in smaller bags, you don't have to buy a whole bale just to try it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. So you never do a full box change with the scoopable you use? Wow, that's amazing, I always had to change the entire box at least once a month, as the clumps would break up over time, and the bits would be too small to scoop, so it would begin to reek after a month. You must be using a brand I had never tried. Yeah, you're right about the FIV and FELV contagions risks. FELV is more apt to be transmitted than FIV if all the cats are friendly to each other. I wouldn't think twice of mixing a FIV in with negatives, if the FIV cat was friendly and there wasn't any risk of him attacking anyone. Unfortunately, for me, I have an FIV+ cat here now that is stuck outside (and I don't believe in outdoor cats, other than ferals, but I have no options), because he is VICIOUS to other cats. He's a horrible beast, really. Sweet as a kitten to humans, dogs, and kids, but HATES other cats with a passion. So in cases like that, I wouldn't mix, so he has to live outside. I've been trying to find him a home with no other cats for months and months, but no takers so far. All the dog people don't want a cat, and all the people that might want to adopt a cat already have at least one, so he can't go there. Really discouraging for me, because I have ferals that wont come home most of the time because he attacks them. It's getting colder now, and they NEED to be able to come get in their insulated shelter, so Zack is a huge concern for me right now. I really hate to euthanize this cat, but it may come to that soon. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
At 08:09 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: That is sad. Sammy was outside for 4 years,,,But he turned out to be a real old pussy cat sometimes, but he is very possessive of me,,,This is a first, If I am out in the cat park and he comes out he makes sure no other cat get within 5 feet of me,,,He is not a vicious fighter though,,and has joined my group just fine,,, Are you part of the FIV network,, I thought so Pat has a mean FIV cat that she has had to give his own room to also,Is there a garage he could winter in??? Euthanizing healthy cats is so ugly to all of us saving them.. The litter, I have so many cats the whole thing is refilled each week with new litter,,I could not go a month, I just scoop until it about gone ,,toss wash and start overand over and over, I use the one from Costco or Wallmart,,but I have 40 cats,,, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. So you never do a full box change with the scoopable you use? Wow, that's amazing, I always had to change the entire box at least once a month, as the clumps would break up over time, and the bits would be too small to scoop, so it would begin to reek after a month. You must be using a brand I had never tried. Yeah, you're right about the FIV and FELV contagions risks. FELV is more apt to be transmitted than FIV if all the cats are friendly to each other. I wouldn't think twice of mixing a FIV in with negatives, if the FIV cat was friendly and there wasn't any risk of him attacking anyone. Unfortunately, for me, I have an FIV+ cat here now that is stuck outside (and I don't believe in outdoor cats, other than ferals, but I have no options), because he is VICIOUS to other cats. He's a horrible beast, really. Sweet as a kitten to humans, dogs, and kids, but HATES other cats with a passion. So in cases like that, I wouldn't mix, so he has to live outside. I've been trying to find him a home with no other cats for months and months, but no takers so far. All the dog people don't want a cat, and all the people that might want to adopt a cat already have at least one, so he can't go there. Really discouraging for me, because I have ferals that wont come home most of the time because he attacks them. It's getting colder now, and they NEED to be able to come get in their insulated shelter, so Zack is a huge concern for me right now. I really hate to euthanize this cat, but it may come to that soon. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
We do the WalMart "Special Kitty brand in the big green box too. Scoop (at least) twice a day, add new litter as needed during the week, then dump, bleach-clean, and refill on the weekends. Six litter boxes, not counting the mini-box in the condo with two feral kittens in the process of socialization, 30 or so cats and kittens. Always washing throw rugs so there is something clean in front of the boxes. Always with the paper, magazines and catalogs, or cardboard beneath the boxes. Whisk brooms and dustpans and containers of Chlorox bleach sheets near all the boxes for quick cleanups during the week. (That's another huge expense -- Chlorox bleach sheets. Wish I could find a cheaper substitute but, with a full time job and a long commute, I need labor-saving devices. I dont have time to haul out a mop bucket and wash rags every day.)kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:09 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:That is sad. Sammy was outside for 4 years,,,But he turned out to be a real old pussy cat sometimes, but he is very possessive of me,,,This is a first, If I am out in the cat park and he comes out he makes sure no other cat get within 5 feet of me,,,He is not a vicious fighter though,,and has joined my group just fine,,,Are you part of the FIV network,, I thought so Pat has a mean FIV cat that she has had to give his own room to also,Is there a garage he could winter in???Euthanizing healthy cats is so ugly to all of us saving them..The litter, I have so many cats the whole thing is refilled each week with new litter,,I could not go a month, I just scoop until it about gone ,,toss wash and start overand over and over, I use the one from Costco or Wallmart,,but I have 40 cats,,,Kellywww.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. So you never do a full box change with the scoopable you use? Wow, that's amazing, I always had to change the entire box at least once a month, as the clumps would break up over time, and the bits would be too small to scoop, so it would begin to reek after a month. You must be using a brand I had never tried.Yeah, you're right about the FIV and FELV contagions risks. FELV is more apt to be transmitted than FIV if all the cats are friendly to each other. I wouldn't think twice of mixing a FIV in with negatives, if the FIV cat was friendly and there wasn't any risk of him attacking anyone. Unfortunately, for me, I have an FIV+ cat here now that is stuck outside (and I don't believe in outdoor cats, other than ferals, but I have no options), because he is VICIOUS to other cats. He's a horrible beast, really. Sweet as a kitten to humans, dogs, and kids, but HATES other cats with a passion. So in cases like that, I wouldn't mix, so he has to live outside. I've been trying to find him a home with no other cats for months and months, but no takers so far. All the dog people don't want a cat, and all the people that might want to adopt a cat already have at least one, so he can't go there. Really discouraging for me, because I have ferals that wont come home most of the time because he attacks them. It's getting colder now, and they NEED to be able to come get in their insulated shelter, so Zack is a huge concern for me right now. I really hate to euthanize this cat, but it may come to that soon.PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
